Speaker 1: The very idea of hinting at a conspiracy or a
Speaker 1: false flag event was ridiculed and laughed off and considered
Speaker 1: to be ridiculous. And yet this has happened time and
Speaker 1: time again in history. Most of it isn't documented, but
Speaker 1: there are certain cases where it was explicitly stated. One
Speaker 1: of those places is with Operation Northwoods.
Speaker 2: Hey, what's up, guys. Welcome to the episode of the
Speaker 2: No Way Jose Podcast. I am your host, Jose Gali Song.
Speaker 2: Today we'll be talking all things Operation Gladio. We'll be
Speaker 2: joined today by Colonel Towner Watkins. This will be our
Speaker 2: first time talking and it'd be a first time doing
Speaker 2: an episode dedicated to Gladio only, which is actually kind
Speaker 2: of surprising to reflect upon considering this show we typically cover.
Speaker 2: But with that, let's go get the colonel in here.
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to talking to her. Hey, how you
Speaker 2: doing great?
Speaker 3: How are you good?
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's been I think kind of a long
Speaker 2: time coming. We were talking before the show. I've had
Speaker 2: a handful of people over the different times I've murmured
Speaker 2: Gladio out of my mouth that have evoked your name.
Speaker 2: And so finally here we are, and like I said,
Speaker 2: I hadn't really ever done a Gladio episode, so it
Speaker 2: only makes sense now. I can't help. But notice I
Speaker 2: talked a little bit. Me and you both have military service,
Speaker 2: and I just saw that maybe it'd be an interesting
Speaker 2: place to start off with because me and you had
Speaker 2: similar but very different experiences from my understanding of your career.
Speaker 2: I was listening to William's show You're You ended up.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was full bird or a light colonel.
Speaker 2: I can't recall full bird. Okay, all right, because you know,
Speaker 2: sometimes people say colonel and they mean a light colonel,
Speaker 2: just kind of colloquially. But I mean, I know maybe
Speaker 2: colonels get offended by that. I don't know, but I
Speaker 2: know that it is a thing lieutenant colonels do. But yeah, anyways,
Speaker 2: I was an enlisted man. So many in this show.
Speaker 2: No hell, even my name is a pseudonym, because when
Speaker 2: I started the show, I was I was active duty
Speaker 2: military names Josh Galson, I'll say it. It's but it's like,
Speaker 2: if anything whatever, I keep the pseudonym for funzies. But
Speaker 2: I joined active duty military. I did eleven years, and
Speaker 2: then it took a couple of years reserves. After that,
Speaker 2: I joked, the reserves don't really count, so whatever, it's
Speaker 2: kind of a joke. It was really just a financial
Speaker 2: gap to try to bridge it from one to the
Speaker 2: other back to civilian life. But I did the enlisted
Speaker 2: her out. I was a crew chief. I actually signed
Speaker 2: originally as a seer instructor. I failed out in selection.
Speaker 2: I made it near the end. Actually, surprisingly, no one
Speaker 2: I think for my class made it through selection. So
Speaker 2: that's the recidivism rate for seer instructor for you. But
Speaker 2: I got reclassed over to crew chief on the case
Speaker 2: one thirty five, and I spent pretty much my entire
Speaker 2: career over at McDill Air Force Base. I did about
Speaker 2: six years as an isochronole crew chief, like a year
Speaker 2: on wheel, entire handful on the flight line, did a little,
Speaker 2: did some office stuff here and there. But yeah, it
Speaker 2: just kind of worked. It was a crew chief. And
Speaker 2: I heard you say you were a crew chief, So
Speaker 2: you did start as enlisted. No, you turn notchy if
Speaker 2: you turned wrenches, So that's that's maybe I jumped to
Speaker 2: the conclusion there ahead turned.
Speaker 3: I spent eight years in aircraft maintenance, six years on
Speaker 3: active duty in two years for a civilian airline with
Speaker 3: my AMP license.
Speaker 2: Okay, cool, so you're a better mechanic than I am.
Speaker 2: I never got my AMP.
Speaker 3: Living for a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, that doesn't count what you're military working for
Speaker 2: a living. But it's it's interesting you did the full thirty.
Speaker 2: I bailed the four I got out. I would assume
Speaker 2: that you feel I mean, I don't know. I mean
Speaker 2: I haven't I guess I don't watch your show. Justly,
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly where you're coming from. I know,
Speaker 2: particularly myself. I got to part of one of many
Speaker 2: reasons why I got out, mean the real life reasons.
Speaker 2: I kind of just didn't agree with the mission. Disillusioned
Speaker 2: is kind of a slog, kind of soul sucking every
Speaker 2: day to continue to do something for a mission you
Speaker 2: don't support. I find everything we've done in the I
Speaker 2: don't know. When I I joined. I legitimately was stupid
Speaker 2: enough to think I'm gonna go kill Hodgi's and that's
Speaker 2: gonna somehow make the people in my life around me
Speaker 2: freer and more safe. I grew up as every man
Speaker 2: should and learned that that's a crock of shit, And
Speaker 2: and you know, it was a Smedley Butler wore as
Speaker 2: a racket. And I mean not that I saw combat
Speaker 2: or anything. I'm not even like, really, I feel almost
Speaker 2: weird complaining, if anything, I was a crew chief, so
Speaker 2: I just, if anything, it kind of almost I feel
Speaker 2: like sanitizes it because I'm just turning a creucy, turning
Speaker 2: a wrench. But the end of the day, you're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but I'm turning the wrench on a jet that, if
Speaker 2: I was deployed, would probably be refueling a fighter jet
Speaker 2: that might be dropping bombs on people. So it's like
Speaker 2: you are part of this cycle of death and you
Speaker 2: discovered about Gladio and it's like, I don't know. It
Speaker 2: kind of really is one of those missing pieces of
Speaker 2: the puzzle that you go, Holy Molly, what is going
Speaker 2: on here? I mean, you devoted, you did much longer
Speaker 2: than me, so I guess I'm just kind of curious
Speaker 2: where your mind's been at with all of this. I mean, hell,
Speaker 2: you went full on officer and everything.
Speaker 3: So let me ask you first, when were you at McDill.
Speaker 2: Joined in like twenty ten, so I probably didn't get
Speaker 2: there roughly twenty eleven ish so and then I was
Speaker 2: there I'm still I'm still in this area. I still
Speaker 2: live here, but I don't I don't like I'm not
Speaker 2: I don't like down on that base anymore, but still
Speaker 2: because I met my wife and everything nearby here.
Speaker 3: So I was there from nineteen ninety nine to two
Speaker 3: thousand and two. I was assigned to US Central Command
Speaker 3: over nine to eleven, So that was a very interesting
Speaker 3: assignment for me. So let me just start by saying
Speaker 3: that I initially joined the military to get my degree.
Speaker 3: I originally came from a very poor family and no
Speaker 3: one had ever went to college. My mom and dad
Speaker 3: had never graduated from high school. So it was a
Speaker 3: goal of mine that I set for myself, and the
Speaker 3: only way that I was going to do that was
Speaker 3: by joining the military, and I kind of did it
Speaker 3: on a day. My dad told me that there was
Speaker 3: no way in hell I was ever going to make
Speaker 3: it in the military. So that was kind of like
Speaker 3: the clique for me, and I loved being an aircraft
Speaker 3: maintenance It's all I ever wanted to do. When I
Speaker 3: applied for a Rotzi scholarship, the only thing that I
Speaker 3: wanted to do was be a maintenance officer because our
Speaker 3: maintenance officer sucked. They were you know, you know, very
Speaker 3: well pe majors, and they really suck. And so my
Speaker 3: whole thing, my thinking at the time was I can
Speaker 3: do a much better job. And I looked at all
Speaker 3: the guys that I worked with, and they just wanted
Speaker 3: to be maintenance people. They just wanted to fix aircraft
Speaker 3: and no one was taking care of them, and that
Speaker 3: bothered me to no end. So when the Air Force
Speaker 3: decided to make me a personnel officer after I graduated
Speaker 3: from Indiana University, I was mad. I was really mad.
Speaker 3: So my mission after that was to spend the next
Speaker 3: twenty two years using the personnel system to help people.
Speaker 3: And I became one of the biggest pains in the
Speaker 3: butt to the people at the Air Force Personnel Center
Speaker 3: because I was out in the field helping people and
Speaker 3: I would help them write bcmrs when the system screwed them,
Speaker 3: and I was kind of The commanders loved me because
Speaker 3: I took care of the people, but my peers didn't
Speaker 3: necessarily like me because I knew how to get around
Speaker 3: the system and I like doing that. I'm a rebel
Speaker 3: at heart. I've always been a rebel at heart, and
Speaker 3: so I kind of being a support officer allows you
Speaker 3: to be exposed to a lot more missionaries than you
Speaker 3: would be if you're like a space officer or a flyer,
Speaker 3: because you fly one aircraft or in one command the
Speaker 3: entire time, that type of thing, so you're in one community.
Speaker 3: I mean, you may be a fighter pilot and go
Speaker 3: to USAFE, you or ACC, but you're still in that community.
Speaker 3: So I got to see all kinds of mission areas.
Speaker 3: And I was stationed at Sanvito, Italy where it was
Speaker 3: an intel mission. I was at the Pentagon, I was
Speaker 3: at Andrews, I was all over the place, and so
Speaker 3: I just got to see a lot of the Air Force.
Speaker 3: I got selected go to Air War College after I
Speaker 3: left McDill. I thoroughly enjoyed that because I'm an avid reader.
Speaker 3: I only read nonfiction. I probably at this point have
Speaker 3: over six hundred books, and it's just what I like
Speaker 3: to do. However, as you just pointed out, what I
Speaker 3: now realize is professional military education is more of a
Speaker 3: room that they put you in and they give you
Speaker 3: lots of information, but it's just this information. You're only
Speaker 3: allowed to look at this. And you know, I was
Speaker 3: the good officer that every time the Chief of staff
Speaker 3: released the ten recommended reading books every year, I read
Speaker 3: every single one of my own, all of them for
Speaker 3: like about a fifteen year span, and fought the good
Speaker 3: fight and decided to retire. Well, I was medically retired, actually,
Speaker 3: and at the thirty year point coincidentally, and so in
Speaker 3: doing all of that, the first couple of years I
Speaker 3: was retired, I did a lot of reading, and it's
Speaker 3: all nonfiction, but it was still along the same lines
Speaker 3: of reinforcing what I thought I already knew. So about
Speaker 3: three years ago I picked up a book that was
Speaker 3: written by Antony Sutton, and Antony Sutton wrote a trilogy
Speaker 3: of books that because my primary education higher education was
Speaker 3: in business, I have a business bachelor's degree, I have
Speaker 3: a business master's degree, and then I also got the
Speaker 3: master's degree from Air War College. And so I feel
Speaker 3: like I'm fairly well read at this point. And Antony Sutton,
Speaker 3: in a very well documented trilogy, talked about how the
Speaker 3: Bolshevik Revolution, the Nazi, the Hitler's rise to power, Nazism,
Speaker 3: and FDR's campaign were all funded by the exact same people,
Speaker 3: and that kind of hit me like a ton of bricks,
Speaker 3: and so then I read Cynthia Chung's book The Empire,
Speaker 3: in which the Black Son Never sets And basically now
Speaker 3: at this point I still don't know anything about Gladiol
Speaker 3: and her book is about how the Babian society in
Speaker 3: the late eighteen hundreds talked about one world government, talked
Speaker 3: about the Hegelian dialect, how creating the Hegelian and anti
Speaker 3: Setton talks about this as well in a different book,
Speaker 3: Creating the Hegelian left called communism and the Hegelian right
Speaker 3: called Nazism allowed what I refer to as the international Syndicate,
Speaker 3: this group of puppet masters that operate on an international scale,
Speaker 3: and they're all criminals, which is why I call it
Speaker 3: a syndicate. That they manipulate everything, they fund everything, they
Speaker 3: manipulate everything, and their final goal is one world government,
Speaker 3: and it will be a fascist government. It will be
Speaker 3: a dictatorship of everyone, of the useless eaters, the rest
Speaker 3: of us. And again, as you just articulated, being a
Speaker 3: military officer, and whether you're on the front lines or not,
Speaker 3: you are a target. You have given an oath of
Speaker 3: which we will all uphold, to give our life for
Speaker 3: the country that is our mission. Whether you break things,
Speaker 3: kill people, or support who those who do those are
Speaker 3: your missions. And we all fit in one of those
Speaker 3: three categories. And I took my oath very seriously. And
Speaker 3: so again you're sitting here going, wait a minute, wait
Speaker 3: a minute, how did how did I miss this entire
Speaker 3: big elephant in the room. And so taking Cynthia's book,
Speaker 3: I read Joseph Ferrell's book called like Uh, Fascist International,
Speaker 3: and in there he talked about a thing called stay
Speaker 3: behind Units. Again, I have six different degrees. If I've
Speaker 3: not heard of something, it's very unusual. Not that I'm
Speaker 3: an expert in everything, because I am not. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, well that sounds awful, millet, because the context
Speaker 3: was that it was a military time.
Speaker 2: Because you're realm military history, this is your jam.
Speaker 3: Like wait a minute, wait a minute. So I just
Speaker 3: got on the internet and typed and stay behind Units
Speaker 3: and I see Operation Gladio and I'm like, wait a minute,
Speaker 3: that's a military operation and I don't know anything about it.
Speaker 3: So I bought Paul Williams book, who I've interviewed twice.
Speaker 3: Wonderful man.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of somebody else. He's oh, he's still like Okay, cool,
Speaker 2: maybe I'm thinking of somebody else since mother.
Speaker 3: He's an amazing, very intelligent man. And he wrote Operation Gladio,
Speaker 3: that's the name of his book, in twenty fifteen, and
Speaker 3: he had written for the New York Times, the Washington Post,
Speaker 3: He'd appeared on every major news network because of other
Speaker 3: things that he had researched, and his phone stopped ringing
Speaker 3: the day the book was released, so he knew that
Speaker 3: everything that he said in there work was true. Not
Speaker 3: that he would have said anything it's not true, but
Speaker 3: it reinforced for him the importance of what he had
Speaker 3: stumbled across. So in reading his book, you quickly learn
Speaker 3: the history of Operation Gladio and where it started, and
Speaker 3: that primarily all of the post World War two intelligence agencies,
Speaker 3: whether it's the German B and D, the SI FA R,
Speaker 3: the CIA, the k c I A. I didn't even
Speaker 3: know the Korean Intelligence Agency was called the k c
Speaker 3: I A because the CIA set it.
Speaker 2: Up so in such cases exactly.
Speaker 3: And so you and Masad, the I six, the only
Speaker 3: existing intelligence agency today that preceded World War Two was
Speaker 3: in my six and they're the grand daddy of everything.
Speaker 3: And there's a lot of people out there that you
Speaker 3: hear every day. And as soon as I started posting
Speaker 3: about this, everybody jumped on, Oh, it's all the Jews. Oh,
Speaker 3: it's all the Jesuits. Oh, it's all the Catholics. Oh,
Speaker 3: it's all of this. And I'm like, no, no, it's not. No,
Speaker 3: it's not it's not all of anybody. It's a whole
Speaker 3: lot of people. But they've used every religion. If you
Speaker 3: go back and you actually do research on the Vietnam War,
Speaker 3: well before the war, before we ever got involved in
Speaker 3: the war, the Catholic Church was in northern Vietnam as
Speaker 3: missionaries and they conducted, at the beginning of our involvement
Speaker 3: in Vietnam, a mass one million, large forced migration of
Speaker 3: people that had spent the last, you know, generations, hundreds
Speaker 3: of years in a single village in the north. They
Speaker 3: put them on a ship and they put them on
Speaker 3: airplanes and forced them to move to the south because
Speaker 3: they wanted to prop up a fake election of DM
Speaker 3: who was a Catholic in the in the south, because
Speaker 3: they were the CIA's guy on the ground, and they
Speaker 3: did it by psychological operations. The actual Catholic Church itself
Speaker 3: was involved in a psychological operation with the CIA to
Speaker 3: force relocate people. And if you take that and you
Speaker 3: fast forward to today, what's happening the force migration of
Speaker 3: all of these people in countries we destabilized and so
Speaker 3: you start seeing patterns. Patterns were everywhere. So getting back
Speaker 3: to see behind units, I then had to go back
Speaker 3: and rethink, because you know, your brain's wired that you
Speaker 3: think you know all of this stuff, and I had
Speaker 3: to basically kind of shake it all up and put
Speaker 3: all of the pieces that I know in a different order.
Speaker 3: And once I did that, the patterns were like glowing
Speaker 3: like neon signs to me. Because you go back to
Speaker 3: Vietnam War, to the Korean War, Well, guess what there
Speaker 3: were stay behind units used there. We actually provoked the
Speaker 3: Korean War. It was not the Soviet Union.
Speaker 2: Also, many such cases.
Speaker 3: Yes, And so in all of the election interference that
Speaker 3: everybody struggling with right now, you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: the CIA was involved in election interference in the United States. Well,
Speaker 3: here's a newsflash for you. They killed RFK. That's election interference.
Speaker 3: He had just secured the Democrat primary with the California win,
Speaker 3: and that night they murdered him. But that wasn't where
Speaker 3: they started. The CIA was created in nineteen forty seven
Speaker 3: and the very first election they interfered with was in
Speaker 3: nineteen forty eight in Italy. So they have been interfering
Speaker 3: in every significant election since nineteen forty eight everyone, and
Speaker 3: they've conducted over ninety successful coups around the world overthrowing government.
Speaker 3: And it's very important for people to understand why they
Speaker 3: do it, because you would think, oh, well, you know,
Speaker 3: it's just a power thing, or it's just that, or
Speaker 3: it's not. In every single case. The very first thing
Speaker 3: I did was go to the CIA's website because they
Speaker 3: list an entire array of resources that country has. Well,
Speaker 3: why would they do that if they're just an intelligence
Speaker 3: collection organization and with some intelligence they do some covert
Speaker 3: operations based on intelligence, right, why would they keep a
Speaker 3: list of all the resources. Well, they keep a list
Speaker 3: of all the resources for the International Syndicate. Because what
Speaker 3: they have done over this time is they hired geologists
Speaker 3: under the guise of USAID or the Peace Corps or
Speaker 3: any of these other fronts for the CIA, and they
Speaker 3: send these geologists who are there to you know, to
Speaker 3: help the poor people, and they're looking for gold, they're
Speaker 3: looking for oil, they're looking for or they're looking for
Speaker 3: every single rubber trees. We find good Rich and Goodyear
Speaker 3: in Vietnam because they had massive amounts of rubber production.
Speaker 3: And so I'm like, okay, So if it's all about
Speaker 3: resources and they find resources in a particular country and
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden that country is labeled a
Speaker 3: communist sympathizer and then they use these covert forces, Well
Speaker 3: where are they getting all their money? Well, because none
Speaker 3: of this is paid for out of the appropriated funds,
Speaker 3: because all of their operations are covert, and they do
Speaker 3: have a covert budget, but it would never cover the
Speaker 3: massive amount of operations they've done. So then I went
Speaker 3: back to the beginning with Paul Williams and I he
Speaker 3: lays out the perfect description of how they do it.
Speaker 3: They do it three ways, drug trafficking, human trafficking, and
Speaker 3: weapons trafficking. It's like this little wheel that has three spokes,
Speaker 3: and in order to keep the wheel of Operation Gladiol
Speaker 3: rolling down the tracks, anybody that's a maintenance person knows
Speaker 3: that the wheel has to have grease. Well, that's where
Speaker 3: blackmail comes in. The way you keep this rolling down
Speaker 3: the road where nobody finds out that it even exists
Speaker 3: is by controlling the people involved in the production of
Speaker 3: this wheel. And they blackmail people into silence. And if
Speaker 3: they can't blackmail you into silence, they will kill you.
Speaker 3: So that took me back to just after Well, it
Speaker 3: was actually during the war, and two fundamental events happened,
Speaker 3: one in Asia and one in Europe. The one in
Speaker 3: Asia was orchestrated by Colonel Paul Helliwell. And Colonel Paul
Speaker 3: Helliwell was a military attache and whether or not he
Speaker 3: was actually in the military, he wore a military uniform
Speaker 3: and he had a military rank, but that does not
Speaker 3: always mean that he was actually military because he was
Speaker 3: also CIA and they do pretend to be military officers.
Speaker 3: And so Paul Helliwell was the military attache to Shane
Speaker 3: Kai Shek, and Shang Kai Shek was not only fighting
Speaker 3: the Japanese, but he was also fighting Mao or control
Speaker 3: of China. And just so your audience knows, because I
Speaker 3: don't know if you've covered or not, China had bought
Speaker 3: two wars, the Boxer Wars from the British using their
Speaker 3: colony in India, importing opium into China because they were
Speaker 3: exploiting China's resources as well, and they were doing it
Speaker 3: by the influx of opium into China that had been
Speaker 3: grown in India. Yeah, so Mao's really pissed off about that,
Speaker 3: and he did not want any drugs in China at all.
Speaker 3: So Shang Kai Shek paid for his warlord civil war
Speaker 3: against Mao with the opium, so he becomes the biggest
Speaker 3: opium dealer in all of China. Well, Paul Helliwell is
Speaker 3: watching during World War two, Shang Kai Shek funding his
Speaker 3: war effort, this covert war against Mao with opium. So
Speaker 3: he picks up the phone to Alan Dallis and says, hey, dude,
Speaker 3: you know that Gladio program that you're trying to set up.
Speaker 3: I got a perfect way to fund it. And if
Speaker 3: we traffic opium, we will have black market cash in
Speaker 3: order to pay for all the weapons that we're going
Speaker 3: to supply our Gladio operators with. And if we continue
Speaker 3: this war effort with all these weapons being shipped in,
Speaker 3: we can skim weapons off the top, not only for
Speaker 3: our use, but to sell on the black market as well.
Speaker 3: So they have this entire plan. And oh, by the way,
Speaker 3: every country you go in with this war, whether it
Speaker 3: was Korea or Vietnam or Afghanistan, you displace people. Well
Speaker 3: what can we do with the people, Well, we could
Speaker 3: traffick the people modern day slavery. So this is like
Speaker 3: the perfect bingo card for them. And so Mal eventually
Speaker 3: kicks Shang Kaishek out of China and puts him in Burma.
Speaker 3: And there's a whole bunch of people involved in this
Speaker 3: that people's names who they don't even know. I mean,
Speaker 3: we don't know them. They're not in the history book.
Speaker 3: One of the people that I stumbled across was named
Speaker 3: William Polly. Have you ever heard of him? Can say
Speaker 3: most people have never heard of him, But when you
Speaker 3: look him up, oh my god, it'll make your head explode.
Speaker 3: Polly Island in South Carolina is named after his family.
Speaker 3: And he's a millionaire, but he's not a self made millionaire.
Speaker 3: He gets given a lot of stuff like for Curtis
Speaker 3: aircraft for fighters and all kinds of different sized aircraft
Speaker 3: for Southeast Asia. So he sets up production over there,
Speaker 3: and he gives shang Kayshek his own air force, and
Speaker 3: we have sea supply. The Paul halliwell company that gives
Speaker 3: him his own navy. So now we've got a way
Speaker 3: to ship drugs all over the world. Weapons there, drugs back.
Speaker 3: So Burma gets tired of because they moved him to Burma.
Speaker 3: Shang Kaishak. The Burmese government gets tired of this bullshit
Speaker 3: and they're like, you're out of here. So the CIA
Speaker 3: kind of scratches their head and they go, oh, look,
Speaker 3: there's this little island over here called Formosa. Let's move
Speaker 3: shang Kayshek over to Formosa. We can set them up
Speaker 3: on this island. And it's actually an island chain of
Speaker 3: about seven islands. Well that's that island called Formosa's now
Speaker 3: called Taiwan. So most people do not realize, and I
Speaker 3: certainly didn't. And again I have a master's degree in this.
Speaker 3: I went over to that area. I went to Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia,
Speaker 3: and Thailand during my Air War college. So again I
Speaker 3: think I kind of know something. I didn't know a
Speaker 3: damn thing. So for most it changes its name to Taiwan,
Speaker 3: and shang Khaishek says that his KMT Army that was
Speaker 3: the name of his army, is going to be his
Speaker 3: political party. So you can't take you can't criticize the
Speaker 3: democracy because that's a political party now. And he sets
Speaker 3: up this thing called the Political Warfare Cadre Academy. That's
Speaker 3: in a group of schools that trained terrorists around the world.
Speaker 3: The one oh one terrorist training was School of America's
Speaker 3: in Latin America. The graduate level is the Warfare Center
Speaker 3: Political Warfare Center in Taiwan. And then the graduate the
Speaker 3: PhD was a year long training program in Israel that
Speaker 3: a lot of lords end up going to from Latin America.
Speaker 3: So those are your three tiers of terrorist trains.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I can't help but laugh that the Granddaddy if
Speaker 2: it's in Israel. I mean, obviously I know we met
Speaker 2: you that. I'm not one who thinks it's all the Jews,
Speaker 2: but let's be real. I mean, Israel is a component here.
Speaker 3: But again, the irony in all of this that most
Speaker 3: people miss is the I six being the granddaddy, and
Speaker 3: who gave birth to Israel the Brits six.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Britz.
Speaker 3: So again I find almost every one of these roads eventually.
Speaker 2: Lead back to So sorry not to cut you off,
Speaker 2: but you mentioned the CIA created nineteen forty seven Gladio
Speaker 2: in nineteen forty eight when was Israel founded.
Speaker 3: Yeah again, and that's another interesting point. But so, just
Speaker 3: to finish up the Shang Kai Shek, so he immediately
Speaker 3: declares martial law. There are declassified State Apartment cables to Washington,
Speaker 3: d C. From the ambassador in Taiwan saying that Shane
Speaker 3: Kai Shek is bayonetting for motions in the street right
Speaker 3: in front of the embassy that come to the embassy
Speaker 3: pleading for help to get Shang Kai Shek out of
Speaker 3: their country, not knowing that we're the ones that put
Speaker 3: him there, and so he declares martial law immediately. I
Speaker 3: did not know that from the time they set up
Speaker 3: Shang Kai Shek in formosa until mainland China was recognized,
Speaker 3: they lived under martial law. Shang Kai Shek was a
Speaker 3: dictator in Taiwan for about forty years, and we were
Speaker 3: told the entire time was a democracy. Even Gerald Macintosh
Speaker 3: or MacArthur sorry, General MacArthur came back to the United
Speaker 3: States and testified in front of Congress that he had
Speaker 3: been there. It was a democracy. It was a success story.
Speaker 3: This is like the best thing since life.
Speaker 2: Three people at Taiwan.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, the same Taiwan that we're going to send
Speaker 3: people to die for today. Okay, So the second important
Speaker 3: thing about that time frame was a secret meeting during
Speaker 3: the war in northern Italy. That meeting was between Alan
Speaker 3: Dulles and General Eisenhower's chief LOGISTICI Major General at the time,
Speaker 3: Lyman Limitsker. Now, I know you played Northwood. You know
Speaker 3: who he is. So you're going to understand with your
Speaker 3: military background the importance of what I'm about to say.
Speaker 3: Lyman Limitsker the chief logistics officer for all of Italy
Speaker 3: or for all of Europe for Eisenhower. Now you tell
Speaker 3: me if you're going to set up a stay behind
Speaker 3: unit concept throughout the entire area of Europe, and that
Speaker 3: stay behind unit has pachets of weapons buried with guns, explosives,
Speaker 3: com equipment, and money. Is that a logistics issue? You
Speaker 3: have to arrange the transportation of all of those items
Speaker 3: to all of these countries, You have to figure out
Speaker 3: where you're going to stash them, and then you have
Speaker 3: to keep track of where they're all at. That's a
Speaker 3: logistic issue. So Alan Dulles and General Eisenhower, who becomes
Speaker 3: President Eisenhower and conducts a bunch of coups use an
Speaker 3: Operation Gladio.
Speaker 2: Warn us about that military industrial complex. While he was.
Speaker 3: Telling you what he did, he wasn't warning. So he
Speaker 3: sends Lyman Limitsker down to the secret meeting. Well, the
Speaker 3: guy they met with was General Wolf. General Wolf was
Speaker 3: a Nazi. He was in charge of Operation Gladio. Do
Speaker 3: you know while he was in charge of Hitler Stay
Speaker 3: behind unit because units they'll were Wolf units and it's
Speaker 3: General Wolf.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so.
Speaker 3: General Wolfe's Eastern front guy was Reinhard Galen. Reinhard Galen
Speaker 3: is an SS general. In his deputy for most of
Speaker 3: the training of the stay behind units was Auto Scorzenny Otto.
Speaker 3: Scorzenny is saved at Nuremberg and put in Paris where
Speaker 3: they initially stood up NATO and then later moved. Once
Speaker 3: he gets discovered because of his big scar, they find
Speaker 3: out who he is and that he was a Nazi
Speaker 3: and how the hell did you get through Nuremberg blah
Speaker 3: blah blah, So they hide him in Spain. Well, no
Speaker 3: one went to Spain at the time because Franco who
Speaker 3: was a dictator and they were very fascist at the time,
Speaker 3: so he was safe there. They were hiding him in Spain.
Speaker 3: So this meeting was General Wolfe negotiating who was going
Speaker 3: to get ratlined out of Europe, what Nazis they were
Speaker 3: going to say, and how they were going to do it,
Speaker 3: and exchange for doing that, they turned over the plans
Speaker 3: for all of the stay behind units that were in
Speaker 3: German occupied territories France, the Netherlands, Germany, Hungary, all of
Speaker 3: those countries Italy. So now they've got the plans of
Speaker 3: where all these are at. So Alan Dulles then arranges
Speaker 3: that and they agree that Reinhardt Galen is going to
Speaker 3: be kind of the transition guide. So Alan Dulls dresses
Speaker 3: him up in a four star US Army uniform, flies
Speaker 3: him into Washington, d C. They spend a couple of
Speaker 3: weeks there debriefing, he goes back. He of course never
Speaker 3: makes it to Nuremberg. He's quote unquote denoxified, and guess
Speaker 3: where he ends up. He begins running the Galen organization,
Speaker 3: which becomes Germans B and D, which is their CIA.
Speaker 3: So now you have a Nazi in West Germany that
Speaker 3: supposedly denotified, running their intelligence apparatus, and you have Alan
Speaker 3: Dulles who ends up as the CIA director running our
Speaker 3: Gladio program. And then you have all of these intelligence
Speaker 3: functions post World War two with these new governments in
Speaker 3: France and West Germany and Italy because now they're supposedly
Speaker 3: all denazified, Greece, all of these countries, all of the Sweden, Norway, Finland.
Speaker 3: William Colby, who goes on to be CIA director, set
Speaker 3: up all the stay behind units in Sweden, Norway and Finland,
Speaker 3: so you have this entire European stay behind network. This
Speaker 3: entire thing was set up and justified by these critters
Speaker 3: as anti communist stay behind units. So if the as
Speaker 3: soon as the Soviet Unions ran over the Folga Gap,
Speaker 3: they were going to fall in behind them and you know,
Speaker 3: fight well. The problem with that logic is post World
Speaker 3: War two, depending on who you read, the Soviet Union
Speaker 3: had lost twenty five to fifty million people as a
Speaker 3: result of the war. Most of their war fighting capability
Speaker 3: was gone. It had been bombed, it had been destroyed.
Speaker 3: There was no Communist people coming over the Folga Gap
Speaker 3: at all. None couldn't even happened if they wanted to.
Speaker 3: So why did they set them up? Well, they set
Speaker 3: them up for one reason and one reason only to
Speaker 3: control their own people and to commit domestic terror events
Speaker 3: to terrorize their own people. And why would they do that?
Speaker 3: Because chaos begets control. And so at this point, I'm
Speaker 3: about a year into this research project and my poor
Speaker 3: husband has to listen to me, and every time I
Speaker 3: find another one of those oh my god moments, how stupid.
Speaker 2: That's what we have podcasts for.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I hadn't even started doing podcasts at this point,
Speaker 3: so my husband got the full betting of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean my wife's the same way now,
Speaker 2: and now it's a you know, I used to talk
Speaker 2: to her a lot about this stuff, and now I
Speaker 2: don't have to bother and we're better we're both better
Speaker 2: off for it.
Speaker 3: Well, we talk about it all the time. My husband's
Speaker 3: like the best best support person that could I could
Speaker 3: have ever found.
Speaker 2: But anyway, my wife, she just does not care about
Speaker 2: this stuff.
Speaker 3: One day and he's he's and you know, I'm busy
Speaker 3: doing my research and stuff, and he's like, hey, do
Speaker 3: you remember that comedy that we used to watch called
Speaker 3: Get Smart? And I'm looking at him, going, I'm kind
Speaker 3: of busy. Yeah, I don remember it. I watched it
Speaker 3: all the time. And he goes, do you remember what
Speaker 3: the two organizations were called on that TV show? And
Speaker 3: I'm like no, he goes, Chaos and Control, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: son of a bitch, are you kidding me? And he goes,
Speaker 3: I'm like, you're right. Chaos was the bad guys, in
Speaker 3: Control was the good guys. It's all a psychological operation.
Speaker 3: Every bit of this is a psychological operation against the government,
Speaker 3: against us, and so and I said, and so the
Speaker 3: moral of the story is the name of the show,
Speaker 3: get Smart. They're telling us to get smart, to figure
Speaker 3: out what the hell is going on and not allow
Speaker 3: ourselves to be controlled by their chaos. And that, to
Speaker 3: me was like one of the biggest light bulb moments
Speaker 3: for me of how long this psychological operation had been
Speaker 3: going on, which then, of course we have to fast
Speaker 3: forward to Operation Northwood since we already missed it. And
Speaker 3: I'm sure your audience probably all knows that there's a
Speaker 3: laundry list of chaos options on their light flying drone
Speaker 3: aircraft into buildings, bombing buildings, and blaming it on the
Speaker 3: Cubans and so they that is a document that should
Speaker 3: be framed on everyone's wall, that this is your government
Speaker 3: So the guy that's set up Operation Gladio logistically throughout
Speaker 3: all of Europe, and I'll make the argument that we
Speaker 3: have them here that set that entire program up gets
Speaker 3: to be Eisenhower's chief of Staff or uh yeah, Joint
Speaker 3: chiefs of Staff joy So Kennedy when he's presented this
Speaker 3: basically fires Lyman Limitsker by not giving him his second tour.
Speaker 3: But do you know where Lyman Limitsker got assigned after
Speaker 3: the Joint chiefs of Staff the old NATO, and where
Speaker 3: is Operation Gladio controlled from NATATO? So a year later,
Speaker 3: JFK is dead, and I would argue that JFK's assassination
Speaker 3: is an Operation Gladio. And the reason why I argue
Speaker 3: that is because Auto score Zenny, autosco Zenny was the
Speaker 3: pivotal point in all of this. It was a logistical
Speaker 3: A four contract out of the Air Force that paid
Speaker 3: for building Spain's Air Force bases over there, and Autoscorzinny
Speaker 3: opened a construction company with a partner and he got
Speaker 3: every single one of those contracts. Those contracts were money
Speaker 3: laundering to pay Autoscorzinny to train people, and he trained
Speaker 3: them in assassinations, kidnapping, and torture, and he did it
Speaker 3: on the island of Sardinia in Italy, on the Canary Islands,
Speaker 3: and on the border of France in Spain.
Speaker 2: So I know this wasn't him, but I think the
Speaker 2: Cuban exiles, they were training in swamps in Florida, I believe,
Speaker 2: is what the I mean. Just a separate thing.
Speaker 3: But yeah, well but it is the same thing, well separate.
Speaker 2: But the same, but not not hymn specifically.
Speaker 3: I'm going to yeah, but he came in contact with them,
Speaker 3: and I am also going to argue that the Cuban
Speaker 3: exiles are our Gladio or at least because well, because
Speaker 3: where do you find the Cuban exiles involved in JFK's assassination.
Speaker 3: They were involved in the overthrow of Nixon. They were
Speaker 3: involved in the bombing of Ambassador Latier, a car bomb
Speaker 3: detonated in Washington, d c. That not only killed him,
Speaker 3: he was the ambassador that got stranded here from Chile
Speaker 3: when we overthrew their government. And an American that was
Speaker 3: his aid was also killed in that car bomb. And
Speaker 3: the Cuban ax siles, two of them went to prison
Speaker 3: for that car bomb. They launched the downing of the
Speaker 3: Cuban aircraft that had taken off from Venezuela on the
Speaker 3: way back to Cuba with the I think it was
Speaker 3: an archery team. Those Cuban axiles took that plane down.
Speaker 3: The Cuban axiles, they were in Angola, they were in Nicaragua,
Speaker 3: they were in just about every coup. They went to Vietnam.
Speaker 3: So I would are argue that there is more than
Speaker 3: enough evidence to say that the Cuban exiles were our gladio.
Speaker 2: I mean they were. They were Watergate RFK JFK. I mean,
Speaker 2: I know there's some of them not thinking of they
Speaker 2: totally were involved in, but yeah, they were like any
Speaker 2: and basically any op during that period of time, you
Speaker 2: could almost damn near guarantee there was a Cuban exiles
Speaker 2: at least tangently connected.
Speaker 3: And they were our gladio. And they were trained directly
Speaker 3: by the CIA, just like every other gladio. The training
Speaker 3: of the Italian Gladio were done by the Italian government,
Speaker 3: the training, but Otto Skorzeny was kind of the the
Speaker 3: training advisor for everybody. So and you find Auto Scorzenny
Speaker 3: and the overthrow of the Congo. Patrice Lumamba, he was
Speaker 3: the one that orchestrated the plan on how that was
Speaker 3: going to go down. You find him, and he traveled
Speaker 3: routinely to Latin America, where we have Operation Condor. An
Speaker 3: Operation Condor is the kissing cousin of Operation Gladio. Operation Gladio,
Speaker 3: just for the people that knows, is a generic term
Speaker 3: now for all of Europe, but it was specifically related
Speaker 3: to Italy because Portugal's program was called a Genter Press.
Speaker 3: The Turkey program was called the Gray Wolfs, so everybody
Speaker 3: had a particular pet name for theirs. But because Italy
Speaker 3: is the only country that actually did an in depth
Speaker 3: investigation into that program and revealed it for the first
Speaker 3: time on August second, nineteen ninety And you're going to
Speaker 3: understand when I say this next part. So here I
Speaker 3: am reading Paul Williams's book, and he talks about Prime
Speaker 3: Minister Andreatti getting up in front of the Ayyaen Senate
Speaker 3: and saying, yeah, there's a thing called Operation Gladio, and
Speaker 3: yeah it was being ran by the government and yea,
Speaker 3: we killed a bunch of people. He eventually goes to jail.
Speaker 3: So he did that on the second of August, and
Speaker 3: most people would not remember that date, just like in
Speaker 3: generic breeding. Well, the reason why I remember that date
Speaker 3: is because that's the day I flew in from JFK
Speaker 3: Airport to the Rome Airport for a three year assignment
Speaker 3: in Italy. I arrived there on the second of August.
Speaker 3: Do you know what else happened on the second of August?
Speaker 2: I can tell you.
Speaker 3: Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait. So if you're Europe and you
Speaker 3: know that everything that you've just spent the last I
Speaker 3: don't know what by that time forty years is going
Speaker 3: to blow up in your face. What would you do
Speaker 3: another false flag? So the week before April, Gillespie I
Speaker 3: think was her name, the envoy to Iraq for the
Speaker 3: US government. She gives Saddam Hussein the go ahead to
Speaker 3: go ahead and invade Poait. And it just so happens
Speaker 3: to be scheduled on the second of August, the same
Speaker 3: day ANDREATI is going to get up in front of
Speaker 3: the entire So everybody's eyes are glued on ANDREATI, right,
Speaker 3: and NATO now uses the excuse of oh my god,
Speaker 3: we're going to war. We can't talk about Gladio. You know,
Speaker 3: nobody can be made available in our PR departments because
Speaker 3: they're planning a war. Well the PR Department doesn't talk
Speaker 3: to you know, doesn't conduct the war, so why can't
Speaker 3: I talk to them? Well, no, we're busy. So it
Speaker 3: was the perfect avenue to steal the news cycle. And
Speaker 3: that's what this is all about. Anytime something happens in
Speaker 3: government that is bad for the deep state, there's going
Speaker 3: to be a false flack, there's going to be in
Speaker 3: a a distraction that they orchestrate in order to control
Speaker 3: the news cycle. And so I got off that airplane
Speaker 3: in the Rome airport and I had a choice of
Speaker 3: a couple of different places to go, but of course
Speaker 3: who would not want to go to Italy? And I
Speaker 3: get off the airplane with my daughter and there's like,
Speaker 3: for every person civilian in the airport, there's like five
Speaker 3: guys with AK forty seven. And I'm like, what the
Speaker 3: hell is going on? What did I do? What's wrong
Speaker 3: with you people? And I found out talking to the
Speaker 3: customs person that they were on high alert because a
Speaker 3: few years earlier the Rome Airport had been bombed, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, holy crap. And so, of course, you know,
Speaker 3: the rest is history, but that date just kind of
Speaker 3: stuck in my brain because it was such a devastating
Speaker 3: day for me to land and find out that we're
Speaker 3: basically going to warp any minute. So that's kind of
Speaker 3: the beginning of this whole research project for me. And
Speaker 3: after I kind of found out and had a good footing,
Speaker 3: I thought was the makeup of all of this. I
Speaker 3: started going conflict by conflict, country by country I have
Speaker 3: Now I think I'm up to ninety one successful coups.
Speaker 3: I read in Peter Dell Scott's book and William Bloom
Speaker 3: wrote a book called Killing Hope that there's been over
Speaker 3: four hundred attempts at overthrowing governments, ninety of which ninety
Speaker 3: one that I can attest to that were successful coups,
Speaker 3: all conducted by these operatives. And so I started a
Speaker 3: project and it's linked on my feed. I do spaces
Speaker 3: every day at four o'clock. I started off we do
Speaker 3: books now because we're doing Columbia right now, but we
Speaker 3: started off regional. So we looked at Operation Condor in
Speaker 3: Latin America. We went into the Caribbean, we looked at
Speaker 3: all of those cups. Was there a CIA element of it? Yes,
Speaker 3: in every single case. We went to h Central America.
Speaker 3: Then we went to South America, and then we went
Speaker 3: to Europe. You know, they killed automorrow, they called they
Speaker 3: killed a lock Palm. They tried to kill Charles de
Speaker 3: gaul over twenty times. They shot up his car, They
Speaker 3: tried to poison him because he was for peace in
Speaker 3: Algeria in the French uh deep state didn't want that
Speaker 3: not to be a slave colony. So he had to go.
Speaker 3: And so we we looked at a bunch of different
Speaker 3: regime changes operations that had went on in Europe, to
Speaker 3: include Ukraine both in two thousand and four and twenty fourteen,
Speaker 3: both CI eight setups. And then we went to Asia
Speaker 3: and we looked at Malayo and the British overthrew them, Vietnam,
Speaker 3: Laos Cadi, all of those. How many attempts had we
Speaker 3: tried to take out China? We found that in the Paull,
Speaker 3: the whole Weiger situation, that entire thing is a lie.
Speaker 3: We set up we set up terrasts training camps in Nepaul,
Speaker 3: and we were training Wigers, Muslim Wigers to attack China
Speaker 3: and from the inside. And I had never heard of this,
Speaker 3: but in Tibet we flew a whole bunch of Tibetans
Speaker 3: into Colorado to an abandoned World War two base in
Speaker 3: the mountains. You look it up. We flew them in
Speaker 3: there to the airport in Denver. We took blacked out
Speaker 3: buses up to the top of the mountain in the
Speaker 3: middle of the night. They were there for months learning
Speaker 3: how to be terroraced by the CIA. We took them
Speaker 3: back down to the buses, put them on an airplane
Speaker 3: and flew them back to Tibet for them to create
Speaker 3: their own stay behind network to attack China. So now
Speaker 3: we've got Taiwan over here launching attacks constantly into China
Speaker 3: shang Kaishek, We've got the Tibetans inside of China doing it,
Speaker 3: and we've got the Nepal terrorist training training the Vigers
Speaker 3: to attack China. This is all CIA. So we've surrounded China,
Speaker 3: just like we did with Russia, with Georgia, Ajabaijan, all
Speaker 3: of them, every one of them in Ukraine. The New
Speaker 3: York Times, to my amazement, like a year ago in February,
Speaker 3: actually has a very long article saying that in the
Speaker 3: immediate aftermath of twenty fourteen, the CIA went over there
Speaker 3: with tons of people set up like twenty secret underground facilities,
Speaker 3: and they said they did it to protect Ukraine against Russia.
Speaker 3: But oddly enough, those underground facilities are not along the
Speaker 3: Russian border, which is where you would think they would
Speaker 3: have them, right, No, they're along the don Bass region
Speaker 3: that is now still technically inside of Ukraine. Well, why
Speaker 3: would they line those units, those in the CIA site
Speaker 3: in the Donbass Rege on the outside of the Donbass
Speaker 3: region in Ukraine Because they were going to use them
Speaker 3: as stay behind to attack the Donbass region to bate
Speaker 3: Russia into a war, which is exactly what happened.
Speaker 2: Hell, even I was just thinking about it as you
Speaker 2: were talking. Actually, I remember during the recent attack, the
Speaker 2: Twelve Day War stuff, there were reports of almost cases
Speaker 2: and you could almost say stay behind type stuff from
Speaker 2: Israel in Iran. And now that I'm looking back, I'm
Speaker 2: recalling Iran notably actually had a very good relationship with
Speaker 2: Germany during that period of time. So that might be
Speaker 2: a little bit of shot in the foot for them
Speaker 2: if I'm thinking about that, because I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 2: if some of those logistic components that came into play
Speaker 2: there have been maybe sitting in wait for damn near
Speaker 2: that long because kind of I guess what we're driving.
Speaker 2: I'm driving out here a little bit is and you
Speaker 2: kind of did as well. I think the CIA very
Speaker 2: well may have been essentially created for Gladio essentially, or
Speaker 2: because it's like we look at this, I mean, we
Speaker 2: were talking about the war world units and how we
Speaker 2: have all these Nazis operation paper clip like this is
Speaker 2: all just one. Like this is where you hear people
Speaker 2: talking about, like the when they say the Nazis won,
Speaker 2: this is what they're talking about. They took the they
Speaker 2: essentially the reconstruction, the the reassessing, retaking things like you know,
Speaker 2: the the after period, some people took that infrastructure of
Speaker 2: what they had and that was us. We took that
Speaker 2: and said that's ours now. And I think along with
Speaker 2: that came, you know, some of the things like some
Speaker 2: of the debauchery that tends to happen in war, a
Speaker 2: lot of the the whorehouses, and maybe some of the
Speaker 2: other darker underbelly elements, and that kind of came into
Speaker 2: the other child trafficking component. I think we probably took
Speaker 2: over those same networks as well. In the aftermath of
Speaker 2: World War two and that bleeds into what we see now,
Speaker 2: and I think that's why you do see when you
Speaker 2: get into some of the really spooky territory, you do
Speaker 2: really find it always seems to swirl around Nazi symbolism
Speaker 2: and such, and I think that's probably for a reason.
Speaker 3: So my take in all of this is the baby
Speaker 3: in society in the late eighteen hundred said there's going
Speaker 3: to be three world wars, and to me, the third
Speaker 3: war war arted in the immediate aftermath of World War Two,
Speaker 3: and all we did was transfer an over war to
Speaker 3: a covert war. So we took all of those Nazis
Speaker 3: buried them throughout the world. There were Nazis in Japan,
Speaker 3: there were Nazis in Egypt, there were Nazis in Latin America.
Speaker 3: There were Nazis everywhere, and everybody focuses on paper clip.
Speaker 3: Paper Clip was such a small drop in the bucket.
Speaker 3: There were freaking Nazis everywhere. We ratlined them all over
Speaker 3: the world. They were in Africa, they were in like
Speaker 3: I said, South America, Central America, and they popped up
Speaker 3: repeatedly over the years in these operations. You take in Chile,
Speaker 3: when we went in there in the well, we were
Speaker 3: in there twice. We Salvador Linde scared the hell out
Speaker 3: of everybody because he was a nationalist, and so we
Speaker 3: ran for president of Chile. The first time, the CIA
Speaker 3: went in there and made sure he didn't win. They
Speaker 3: have like the what do you call that, where you
Speaker 3: have the top two candidates, Like if you have three candidates,
Speaker 3: like Alaska.
Speaker 2: Has preferred voting or whatever, it's like, yeah, preferred choice
Speaker 2: or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So that's kind of the way there's was.
Speaker 3: So they made sure that he didn't get in the
Speaker 3: top three. So when the next time he ran, they
Speaker 3: go back in there and they buy the newspaper, they
Speaker 3: take over. And who was behind that, Well, at the
Speaker 3: time a company called I T T International Telegram and
Speaker 3: Telephone company. PepsiCo had the exclusive rights for distribution there,
Speaker 3: and most people don't know PepsiCo had a navy bigger
Speaker 3: than most countries. They like a whole bunch of the
Speaker 3: Soviet stuff, and so that you also had anaconda mining
Speaker 3: because Chile was a copper mine bonanza. They were the
Speaker 3: largest copper supplier in the seventies of the world, and
Speaker 3: so those companies knew that Salvadora Lende wanted to solve
Speaker 3: the labor issue because they were basically treating the Chileans
Speaker 3: like slaves and they were killing Chileans in the mines
Speaker 3: and blah blah blah, and they knew they were using
Speaker 3: it t T to spy because they controlled the entire
Speaker 3: nation's telephone operations. So he was going to private he
Speaker 3: was going to kick it T out and take over
Speaker 3: their telephones. He was going to allow labor unions legitimate ones,
Speaker 3: not to pretend ones that the CIA sets up for
Speaker 3: these companies, and he was going to open competition to
Speaker 3: other companies beside PepsiCo, so that that's a no go
Speaker 3: for these guys, the International Syndicate, So they pick up
Speaker 3: the phone to the CIA and say get rid of him.
Speaker 3: So they go in and they basically try to sabotage
Speaker 3: the election. He gets in the top two, he eventually wins,
Speaker 3: and then they try to They spent like five million
Speaker 3: dollars trying to buy off senators because he has to
Speaker 3: go for approval of the Senate because it's like a
Speaker 3: parliamentarian kind of system, and so they try to buy
Speaker 3: enough senators to not confirm him. Well, that doesn't work either,
Speaker 3: so he actually gets elected and he actually starts implementing
Speaker 3: these changes and then they murdered him and Itt PepsiCo
Speaker 3: and and a con at the time had been talking
Speaker 3: with Nixon and said, you have to Itt offered to
Speaker 3: pay for the operation. And you find a lot of
Speaker 3: these international corporations they don't even if they have a
Speaker 3: headquarters in the United States, they don't work for us.
Speaker 2: They're not on I'm kind of a tech idiot. So
Speaker 2: this ITT thing, I'm assuming it's probably something similar, kind
Speaker 2: of akin to like the Promised Software scandal where Robert
Speaker 2: Maxwell was involved with, where there was some sort of
Speaker 2: backdoor to where they were able to, you know, essentially
Speaker 2: see what was going on, some sort of spying apparatus.
Speaker 3: Itt shared all communications with the CIA. But there's even
Speaker 3: a better one. Have you ever heard of crypto AG? No?
Speaker 2: Ok, I heard you on William's stuff. But that's the
Speaker 2: extent of what I've heard about it.
Speaker 3: So, but some people have actually heard that just in
Speaker 3: other research that they've done. CRYPTOAG is kind of the
Speaker 3: lynchpin to this whole thing. CRYPTOAG was a encrypted communication
Speaker 3: system that was like at the state department levels, so
Speaker 3: a during World War Two, they used the guy that
Speaker 3: created crypto ag the company his ability to hack into
Speaker 3: encrypted stuff during World War Two. Okay, so he's like
Speaker 3: he's working with the NSA. He's a brainiact. So the
Speaker 3: CIA gets the idea at the time, it was the OSS.
Speaker 3: It's the idea, Hey, we're going to set you up
Speaker 3: a company in Switzerland, you know that place where everybody
Speaker 3: thinks is neutral, and we want you to call your
Speaker 3: company CRYPTOAG. So you go over there and we're basically
Speaker 3: going to set you up in operations and we want
Speaker 3: you to create a backdoor to all of your boxes
Speaker 3: that you're going to sell these these countries. So this
Speaker 3: the countries over one hundred and twenty countries around the world,
Speaker 3: thinking it's coming from an independent company in Switzerland, buys
Speaker 3: cryptoag devices, they put them in the executive branches of
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty countries, and they put a receiver
Speaker 3: communicator in every single embassy of that country. So this
Speaker 3: shit is everywhere. The CIA is actually in business with
Speaker 3: the German b and d Reinhard Galen the Nazi, so
Speaker 3: Alan Dallas and Reinhard Galen basically co own and officially
Speaker 3: they will eventually co own it. So this guy that
Speaker 3: created CRYPTOAG, he gets old he has a son. They
Speaker 3: don't trust his son. So Reinhard Galen and Alan Dallas says, Hey,
Speaker 3: here's what we're going to do. We're going to set
Speaker 3: up a fake company. We're going to sell CRYPTOAG to
Speaker 3: this fake company, and we're going to split the profits.
Speaker 3: So literally, the CIA now owns it and every single
Speaker 3: and I want you to think about that, Just let
Speaker 3: that sink in for just a second. Every state department
Speaker 3: level cable communicated around the world for one hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty countries. Well, let's go through some of those countries.
Speaker 3: Every country in Latin America has it. So every time
Speaker 3: that the CIA said they think there's communists activists, and
Speaker 3: you know Brazil when we overthrew it, Eruguay when we
Speaker 3: overthrew it, Eruguay when we overthrew it, Chile when they
Speaker 3: know they're not communists, they know everything they're saying.
Speaker 2: They probably know Maduro very well may not be the
Speaker 2: head of the cartel, day Soul or whatever the exactly.
Speaker 3: Okay, probably was too smart to buy CRYPTOAG though, but
Speaker 3: I ran bought it. So most of day, most of
Speaker 3: that when we overthrew him in nineteen fifty three. Crypto
Speaker 3: AG Egypt when we were told that any minute they
Speaker 3: were going to attack Israel in nineteen sixty seven. So
Speaker 3: Israel had to do it first, old face lie. And
Speaker 3: they knew it because both Jordan and Egypt had CRYPTOAG.
Speaker 3: They knew everything they said. They knew. For a fact,
Speaker 3: Egypt had deployed seventy five thousand troops down to Yemen
Speaker 3: because the British had created a skirmish down there to
Speaker 3: make them do that, to get them out of town.
Speaker 3: So Israel could attack Egypt because they hated and that
Speaker 3: was an attempted overthrow of Egypt. That's all that was.
Speaker 3: And it was orchestrated. The entire thing, the bombing of
Speaker 3: the USS Liberty, every bit of it was orchestrated to
Speaker 3: bring the United States in to make sure that Nasser
Speaker 3: got assassinated, overthrown. However it was going to work out,
Speaker 3: but they wanted Nasser gone. So all of these countries
Speaker 3: around the world has this communication equipment and the CIA
Speaker 3: had hard fast intelligence on exactly everything that country was doing.
Speaker 2: All right, one questions as we're going through this is
Speaker 2: one thing I was thinking about. We talked before this,
Speaker 2: there's a you know, Oklahoma City bombing is kind of
Speaker 2: my main thing and then probably my side thing I've
Speaker 2: kind of been, you know, to have a big interest
Speaker 2: in is kind of like another underbelly of you know,
Speaker 2: international child trafficking and and kind of what everything that
Speaker 2: kind of goes along with it, and that naturally both
Speaker 2: kind of ties into Gladio. Now I kind of want
Speaker 2: to I know, you seem to focus a very much
Speaker 2: on milk history and sources and stuff, and I generally
Speaker 2: tried to do myself, but sometimes we find ourselves what
Speaker 2: I call peeking beyond the veil, wondering what the hell
Speaker 2: is going on here? You're like, this is so dark
Speaker 2: and sinister, like what is going on? And I said, especially,
Speaker 2: I think this note of the child trafficking and such
Speaker 2: really reveals itself there, and you really get into things
Speaker 2: like even purported stuff of like Satanic ritual abuse, even
Speaker 2: Satanism and stuff. Probably one of the best examples of
Speaker 2: this would probably be the Dutreux affair in Belgium. I
Speaker 2: mean there were I mean, most notably people know that
Speaker 2: as being like children being abducted and stuff, but also
Speaker 2: right around that same time. There were also bodies being
Speaker 2: found all the time which were most likely probably were
Speaker 2: usually many of them identified, and let's be real, the
Speaker 2: archetype of what they were were probably mostly women of
Speaker 2: the night. So point being is there was a whole
Speaker 2: lot of stuff going on here. It wasn't specifically but
Speaker 2: just pedophilia. It was this whole milieu going on in
Speaker 2: this realm, particularly in Belgium, also having the Brabant killings
Speaker 2: going on. The the tie that binds here is a
Speaker 2: gendar marie, you know, every one of them, you know,
Speaker 2: turning you know, turning blind eyes and such, and and
Speaker 2: there's crossover between the two events. Obviously, this gets into
Speaker 2: the very tippy top of the royals and stuff, and
Speaker 2: these the pink ballets and the Penon affair and all
Speaker 2: these different blackmail things going across, and you know, you
Speaker 2: get into things like the X Dossier and it gets
Speaker 2: absolutely horrifying, like and so this is what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: When you get to peaking beyond the veil, I'm kind
Speaker 2: of curious, just kind of I don't know just where
Speaker 2: you're at with that. I mean, obviously I don't I'm
Speaker 2: not expecting you to have any pronouncements of assertions here.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I think you're probably the same place
Speaker 2: as me of like, oh my god, what the hell
Speaker 2: these people are evil? But I guess I'm just kind
Speaker 2: of curious where you're at with that. I mean, I
Speaker 2: just it's just any generally, any thoughts, because I know
Speaker 2: a lot of people seem to seem to scurry away
Speaker 2: from that. But I think there's something to that, maybe
Speaker 2: a level of hiding absurdity. Maybe this also kind of
Speaker 2: gets to what we were talking about little bit, this idea.
Speaker 2: Everyone goes, oh, it's a Jews, it's this, it's that,
Speaker 2: it's it's like it's something else.
Speaker 3: So obviously this level of evil is satanic. You can't
Speaker 3: get away from that fact. Every aspect of this is satanic,
Speaker 3: you know. And it goes back to obviously this whole
Speaker 3: Naziism tie. Although some people like to say, oh, but
Speaker 3: you know, Hitler didn't do anything in the Catholic Church. Well,
Speaker 3: the Catholic Church was part of this entire operation. They
Speaker 3: were the chief money launder for Shang Kai Chek's operation
Speaker 3: in Operation Gladio. But eventually it got so big because
Speaker 3: it's hundreds of billions of dollars a year in illicit
Speaker 3: drugs and weapons and humans that they had to create
Speaker 3: the BCCI bank Nugent Handbank down in Australia. They have
Speaker 3: this entire banking infrastructure to handle all of these transactions.
Speaker 3: They were running women and children out of the BCCI bank.
Speaker 3: So it's literally all tied together. I did an entire
Speaker 3: show on the Dutrow. What you find out is another pattern.
Speaker 3: So in Chile there was colony of dignity and if
Speaker 3: you researched that that very much looks like the Deatro
Speaker 3: thing as well. And what you find is any place
Speaker 3: that there is a large gathering of like in Belgium, there.
Speaker 2: Was a ratline community right there too, wasn't it you?
Speaker 3: Yes, so when you when you when you look at
Speaker 3: the move from NATO's headquarters being in Paris, when so
Speaker 3: after they tried to.
Speaker 2: Kill Sorry real quick for the audience. I don't think
Speaker 2: we ever describe rat lines. What that is is a
Speaker 2: colloquialism of essentially the Nazis essentially escaping from one area
Speaker 2: to another, and you know they're in all that.
Speaker 3: S fuddling them out in pre scrobes from the Catholic Church. Literally, yes,
Speaker 3: so when they when they tried to kill Charles Degal,
Speaker 3: like the twenty seventh time, Lyman Limitsker is the NATO
Speaker 3: commander in Paris, Charles de gaul calls him in his
Speaker 3: office and says, get the hell out of my country.
Speaker 3: He actually removed and most people don't know this either.
Speaker 3: He actually removed the French military from NATO and they
Speaker 3: did not rejoin until like two thousand and nine, so
Speaker 3: the French military was not even in NATO. But when
Speaker 3: they kicked NATO out of Paris because they tried to
Speaker 3: kill him, they moved it to Belgium. And it's not
Speaker 3: a coincidence that Dutroux was in Belgium because what you
Speaker 3: find is anytime there is a large concentration of men,
Speaker 3: primarily military in this case, but a lot of civilians
Speaker 3: are involved in NATO as well, they're going to put
Speaker 3: child trafficking operations as well as women of the night
Speaker 3: operations for blackmail, because you get single men who get
Speaker 3: Some are absolutely deviant, but others are per are completely
Speaker 3: They drug them at a dinner party and then they
Speaker 3: stage pictures with them and they will use that as
Speaker 3: blackmail for the rest of their life. So you have
Speaker 3: all kinds of and you find these large operations primarily
Speaker 3: around those types of activities. So if you look at
Speaker 3: the similarities between Colony of Dignity, it not only functioned
Speaker 3: as a pedophilia ring, but it also functioned as a
Speaker 3: terrorist training camp. They had padded torture cells in the
Speaker 3: basement of that facility where they were running with the DINA,
Speaker 3: which was the Pinochet gets installed as the military dictator
Speaker 3: in Chile after they murdered a Linde and the DINA
Speaker 3: operation of kidnapping people and torturing them. They use the
Speaker 3: Colony of Dignity as a torture facility if they recall correctly.
Speaker 2: Wasn't there a maybe this is beyond what you you
Speaker 2: maybe is your your area of research, But I feel
Speaker 2: like there's I want to say, like the Hand of
Speaker 2: Death cult had some sort of connections to Colonia Dignidad
Speaker 2: or something, but that might be beyond you. But I kind
Speaker 2: of I was kind of, you know, put poking out
Speaker 2: a little bit the idea of how some of this
Speaker 2: seems to leak into even in the cult areas. Uh.
Speaker 2: I mean, hell, you can get into really deep into
Speaker 2: the weeds with the you know, the Church of Satanism,
Speaker 2: the Temple of set other stuff like that where you go, oh,
Speaker 2: there's a there's something else going on here too, So.
Speaker 3: There's connections to all of those things. So the Datrou
Speaker 3: affair had a lot of similarities to but the Deatrou
Speaker 3: affair was the worst one that I've come across. They
Speaker 3: literally staged hunting in the woods of children hunted. So
Speaker 3: it was the single worst one that I've come across.
Speaker 3: And of course, as you articulated, they had they found
Speaker 3: dead bodies in his basement when that children had been
Speaker 3: put in the walls of the basement down there, and
Speaker 3: so yeah, that was one of the most horrific ones
Speaker 3: that I've researched. But I wanted to hit on and
Speaker 3: I did watch your show with the Lawyer about what
Speaker 3: I want to kind of probably again. And you guys
Speaker 3: can think I'm slow, but I'm like at year two
Speaker 3: of this research and I'm concentrating on all of these
Speaker 3: other areas and doing the research. You know, I found
Speaker 3: stay behind units in Iran before nineteen fifty three, So
Speaker 3: your point about Iran is dead on. They had basically
Speaker 3: all of the southern tribes in Iran they had trained
Speaker 3: to be terrorists inside of Iran, which is how they
Speaker 3: basically overthrew Mosadk. But there's a big model to be
Speaker 3: talked about in Iran because as soon as we overthrew
Speaker 3: Mosadek and reinstall the show aw Major General Norman Swartzkoff Senior,
Speaker 3: Norman Storman, Norman's dad was called in he's a retired
Speaker 3: major general and said, hey, we got a job for
Speaker 3: you over here in Iran. He's the guy that went
Speaker 3: over and created the Savakh. The Savakh was the intelligence
Speaker 3: terrorist organization inside of Iran. And all those nice pictures
Speaker 3: they posed of the nineteen seventies and how life was,
Speaker 3: and that was not life in Iran. That was life
Speaker 3: in Iran, in Tehran around the Shaw, that's not what
Speaker 3: life was. Everywhere else. They had prisons all over the place,
Speaker 3: they had torture terror centers all over the place. And
Speaker 3: Norman Schwartzkoff Senior set it all up. He set it
Speaker 3: all up under the USAID program called Office of Public Safety.
Speaker 3: And if you just research Office of Public Safety, you're
Speaker 3: going to find that they were in over fifty three countries. Basically,
Speaker 3: what they did was created a terrorist FBI National Police
Speaker 3: Force and an intelligence operation that worked hand in hand
Speaker 3: to terrorize every one of the citizens that said a
Speaker 3: single word against the military dictator or show figure that
Speaker 3: had been installed by the CIA and was controlled by
Speaker 3: the CIA. So this was done in Chile with a dina,
Speaker 3: it was done in Eruguay, and in Eruguay we find
Speaker 3: Dan Meetroone who was a retired police chief out of
Speaker 3: Indiana and Richmond, Indiana be specific, and he had went
Speaker 3: to an FBI training and learned all of this shit.
Speaker 3: And the Indiana University was in bed with Michigan State
Speaker 3: University who created the Phoenix program under the tutelage of
Speaker 3: the CIA and deployed it to Vietnam. But you find
Speaker 3: that same kind of Phoenix program ish kind of stuff
Speaker 3: in every office of public safety. So Dan Meatroone is
Speaker 3: involved in training the Iguayan National Police Force under the
Speaker 3: Office of Public Safety, embedded with CIA, and he ends
Speaker 3: up getting kidnapped himself and they kill him.
Speaker 2: Yep. This is I don't know, maybe you said it,
Speaker 2: but he was. His specific thing was torture, trading torture,
Speaker 2: and then he gets abducted and tortured. I mean, sometimes
Speaker 2: sometimes you go maybe there's a god.
Speaker 3: Him though, no, they questioned him. I actually just finished
Speaker 3: a book recently. They didn't torture him. They killed him,
Speaker 3: they didn't torture him. Yeah. And so anyway, again we
Speaker 3: were told that two Tomorrows were communists. They weren't. They
Speaker 3: were legitimate patriots that did not want a dictator in
Speaker 3: their country and the CIA controlled, and they wanted him
Speaker 3: out of there. And that is what you find in
Speaker 3: most of these countries is the patriots rise up against
Speaker 3: the oppression of the newly installed CIA dictator that's giving
Speaker 3: all of their resources away. And that's the point I
Speaker 3: want to hammer home. Every single one of these things
Speaker 3: was to monopolize a resource in a country. We monopolized
Speaker 3: the oil in Iran when we overthrew most of DECK.
Speaker 3: And let me tell you specifically because I like name
Speaker 3: and names. Prior to our involvement in Iran, what eventually
Speaker 3: becomes BP, the Anglo American or Anglo Oil Company whatever
Speaker 3: it was called before that had a monopoly on the
Speaker 3: oil revenues from Iran. They were getting eighty six cent
Speaker 3: on every dollar profit and Iran was getting fourteen cent.
Speaker 3: All most of DECK wanted was a fifty to fifty split,
Speaker 3: which the US. Standard Oil had just arranged with Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 3: That's all they wanted, fifty to fifty. The British would
Speaker 3: not give him that, and he ends up being under
Speaker 3: house arrest for the rest of his life when he
Speaker 3: was overthrown. And do you know what BP ended up
Speaker 3: with fifty percent because do you know who got the
Speaker 3: rest of that money? Standard Oil? Because Standard Oil. Kermit Roosevelt,
Speaker 3: the grandson of Teddy Roosevelt, was the CIA guy that
Speaker 3: went in and overthrew Mozedeic for Frank Wisner and Alan Dulles.
Speaker 3: And they did that so Standard Oil would get the
Speaker 3: difference every single one of these things. The CIA has
Speaker 3: never worked for the United States. They've never worked for
Speaker 3: the United States president. They work for an international syndicate
Speaker 3: to go in and overthrow the government so they can
Speaker 3: exploit the resources in that company. When we went and
Speaker 3: overthrown Sukarno in Indonesia, there was a study that geologists
Speaker 3: discovered a mountain of gold and the purest oil ever
Speaker 3: found on God's Green Earth in Indonesia. They found it
Speaker 3: in the nineteen thirties, but the Dutch did not have
Speaker 3: the ability to it was a Dutch colony. They didn't
Speaker 3: have the technology and the capability to take it over.
Speaker 3: And then when they finally when Sukarno got his freedom
Speaker 3: after World War Two for the Indonesian people, he was
Speaker 3: not on board with them exploiting him, so he had
Speaker 3: to go. They tried to overthrow him once the CIA
Speaker 3: got caught, and then they come back and they try
Speaker 3: to overthrow him and do and install Suharto. So immediately
Speaker 3: after the installation of Suharto in Indonesia, the standard oil
Speaker 3: Dutch and there was one other country it may have
Speaker 3: been the UK go in and start pumping the oil. Well.
Speaker 3: Basically they get some kind of slanted deal again where
Speaker 3: they're getting the majority of the profits, so they send
Speaker 3: in the anytime they want the resources in the country.
Speaker 3: They did it throughout all of Africa, Congo. We talked
Speaker 3: about with Patrice Lumumba that he had uranium. They wanted
Speaker 3: all of the uranium, and Patrice Lumumba come to the
Speaker 3: United States and said, I'll give you all the uranium.
Speaker 3: I'm just not giving any money to Belgium because he
Speaker 3: was they were a former Belgium colony, and they said,
Speaker 3: we just want to cut them out we're not a
Speaker 3: colony anymore. We want our we want to build some
Speaker 3: schools and hospitals. We can't do it if we cut
Speaker 3: them in, So I will deal directly with you. Eisenhower
Speaker 3: wouldn't meet with him. President Vice President Nixon wouldn't meet
Speaker 3: with him, and so they send them over to the
Speaker 3: State Department. He meets with the Secretary of the State
Speaker 3: and the Secretary of State is told him to pound sand.
Speaker 3: You're not cutting Belgium out. They're our partner. And so
Speaker 3: Patrice Lumamba said, fuck you, I don't care. I'm not
Speaker 3: going to I'm not going to do this, and so
Speaker 3: he goes home and he tells all the Belgium military
Speaker 3: to leave. The Belgium comes back and says, well, you
Speaker 3: can have enlisted people, but I'm keeping all of our
Speaker 3: officers there. They're gonna have to work for me. And
Speaker 3: Patrice Lamamba goes, I'm in charge here, not you get
Speaker 3: them out, and immediately Auto Scorziny deploys down to the
Speaker 3: resource area called Katanga and they start a civil war.
Speaker 3: They start attacking Patrice Lumumba's forces and immediately NATO recognizes
Speaker 3: the Katanga as a separate country. What I thought. We
Speaker 3: didn't change countryes. Yeah, overnight, it becomes a separate country
Speaker 3: until they can kill Patrice Lumamba and then Katanga becomes
Speaker 3: part of the Congo again. And that's the part part
Speaker 3: I want to hit home. Every single time, the CIA
Speaker 3: is not out there willy nilly killing people and willy
Speaker 3: nilly doing covert operations. They are an arm of the
Speaker 3: International Syndicate. They are the military arm of the International,
Speaker 3: the paramilitary arm of the and the IMF and the
Speaker 3: World Bank. They're the economic muscle. This is an all
Speaker 3: out war against all of the world's countries for them
Speaker 3: to own everything and for us to own nothing. That's
Speaker 3: the point I want to hit home. But I want
Speaker 3: to go back and talk about.
Speaker 2: Uh Kirk Kirk lines the lawyer head on. Yeah, Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: I figured maybe you might have some I'm glad you
Speaker 2: actually watched that because I wasn't going to bring it
Speaker 2: up because I was like, I figured this would interest
Speaker 2: you because this is a it was a very unique interview.
Speaker 2: I don't know how much you know about the lie.
Speaker 2: I know you know some. I know you know something
Speaker 2: about Strasmeyer. I don't know you how much you know
Speaker 2: the law of Kirk and stuff, so it was a
Speaker 2: unique interview.
Speaker 3: Again for a second, do you know that his granddaddy
Speaker 3: was a Nazi?
Speaker 2: Who's that Kirk or Strasmeyer? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, his
Speaker 2: grand daddy's a Nazi. The lore is what that he's
Speaker 2: supposedly was in believe double digits Nazi party. I believe member,
Speaker 2: So it wasn't even the triple digits, I think if
Speaker 2: I recall correctly.
Speaker 3: So do you also know that he went back when
Speaker 3: he left here and worked for the German B and D.
Speaker 2: So he went back and worked for the B and
Speaker 2: D after Yes, I did not know that if that
Speaker 2: was the case, that he resumed operations with the B
Speaker 2: and D upon returning to Germany after the Oklahoma City
Speaker 2: bought me. And if you ever seats for that, I
Speaker 2: would appreciate because I haven't heard that. So I did
Speaker 2: not know that one.
Speaker 3: And also I'm trying to look it up real quick.
Speaker 3: His dad was a very interesting guy too, very much
Speaker 3: involved in Gladio.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dad was a what did he work for the cut?
Speaker 2: Who he worked for? Some big wig? I just can't
Speaker 2: remember his name right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he worked for the government too.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, Well, you know, he was like a
Speaker 2: cabinet member or something like a very high up He
Speaker 2: was like the right hand man of I forget specifically.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he would be in the perfect position to know
Speaker 3: everything about Gladio in Germany.
Speaker 2: MM. So what do you think of Kirk's story.
Speaker 3: He comes from a Gladio family, Yeah, right, and he
Speaker 3: just so happens to be involved in a domestic terror
Speaker 3: event in the United States after I just explained that
Speaker 3: we have Gladigo too. Now here's what's important to me
Speaker 3: in the context of my research. So in America, it
Speaker 3: was very important to create a narrative, and the narrative
Speaker 3: for terrorism in the United States was going to be
Speaker 3: white nationalist, Christian terrorist. So when you combined what your
Speaker 3: guests did between Ruby Ridge, right, the gun fanatic, white
Speaker 3: nationalist and Waco, the religious fanatic Christian cult SEC and
Speaker 3: the military Timothy McVeigh domestic terror bombing. When you come
Speaker 3: those three things, what do you get the white nationalist,
Speaker 3: Christian terrorist.
Speaker 2: Yep, which, frankly, I feel like we're still feeling that
Speaker 2: till today. I mean, I can feel the culture of
Speaker 2: shifting now, but we still we mean, it's just now shifting.
Speaker 2: So personally, it's but I mean, it's just now to
Speaker 2: where white people are, like, not that I'm a particularly
Speaker 2: a racialist one way or the other, but it's admittedly
Speaker 2: white guilt and all these other things that have been
Speaker 2: a thing for a while.
Speaker 3: So it was and it started with that narrative. And
Speaker 3: if you didn't have every single one of those pieces together,
Speaker 3: you could not have done the entire white nationalist, Christian terrorist.
Speaker 3: And that's what we saw play out during the Biden administration.
Speaker 3: Let's just round them all up. When I got off
Speaker 3: active duty in two thousand and eight, I was like
Speaker 3: that one FBI list that came out that said here's
Speaker 3: all the potential domestic terrorists. I fit like seven of
Speaker 3: the ten categories.
Speaker 2: Yeah, most military members did. It was still stuff like
Speaker 2: insignias of like don't tread on me and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: where it's just like every other military member probably has
Speaker 2: that stupid bumper sticker.
Speaker 3: So if I'm going to set up a narrative to
Speaker 3: classify all of the people that would rise up against
Speaker 3: a dictatorship in the United States in opposition to one
Speaker 3: world government, they set the narrative with those three events.
Speaker 3: So no one will ever convince me and let me
Speaker 3: give you another kind of weird tidbit. Do you know
Speaker 3: it's been confirmed. I mean it's in the congressional testimony
Speaker 3: and everything else that military equipment was used at Waco?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Right. Do you know where it came from specifically?
Speaker 2: Huh Ford Hood for Hood, Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Do you know who was the commander of Forurhood at
Speaker 3: the time. No, Wesley Clark.
Speaker 2: Oh shit.
Speaker 3: Do you know who was the NATO commander during Bosnia?
Speaker 3: Wesley Clark?
Speaker 2: Huh man, they really do they And he's the guy
Speaker 2: who is that famous seven countries in seven years or whatever.
Speaker 2: So once again, we talked to Eisenhower earlier. But it's like,
Speaker 2: I mean, every single time, it's always the one they
Speaker 2: choose to tell you that. Well, that's what that is
Speaker 2: is that's their relief valve, that's their relief flve.
Speaker 3: And that's what I'm telling you. In every one of
Speaker 3: these research projects, I I have to just get up
Speaker 3: and walk away. I will. I will read this. And
Speaker 3: now because I know all of the names, I have
Speaker 3: them all in my notes, all I have to do
Speaker 3: is do a search and I'm like, hit hit, hit hit.
Speaker 3: Every single time a new name will come up, or
Speaker 3: an old name that I ran across like four times.
Speaker 2: Everything that we're referencing this Cirk interview I did, okay.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if you watched the whole thing,
Speaker 2: but I feel like anyway, especially if you know the
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City bombing, the way I did that interview, I
Speaker 2: felt like I just asked him the obvious questions and
Speaker 2: I didn't try to do any sort of gotcha anything,
Speaker 2: didn't try to, but it was just like I knew
Speaker 2: his very Yeah, I know his story. I don't need to.
Speaker 2: I can just be like, tell me your story and
Speaker 2: tell me all these people you know, and it's just
Speaker 2: anyone with a brain can kind of go, something's weird here,
Speaker 2: and I don't really need to press it. Just the
Speaker 2: imagine just literally, like you know, just looking from what Strasmeyer,
Speaker 2: what he licked up with Petruski, who supposedly was CIA.
Speaker 2: Even in that interview, he was like, well, I don't
Speaker 2: think you CIA, but he does have the story about
Speaker 2: he stringed up a fella in a post World War
Speaker 2: two or really that is counterintel operations, that's what you
Speaker 2: were describing, Like maybe it's not CIA, maybe it's military intel,
Speaker 2: but Tomato Tomato, and then like I mean, just going on.
Speaker 2: Then you have Roger Moore, who I mean, he didn't
Speaker 2: know anything about him. But that's another character in the
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City bombing who worked for Civilian material Assistance. He
Speaker 2: was in league with a Cuban exiles. He's an FBI informant,
Speaker 2: a CIA informant. I mean you go through just I
Speaker 2: mean you go Halloway, which we referenced in that who
Speaker 2: was working with Lions admittedly as his right hand man,
Speaker 2: and he claims to have worked for what was it
Speaker 2: Air America I believe. So it's like he which is
Speaker 2: a CIA front. It just goes on and on and on.
Speaker 2: You just you lose your mind.
Speaker 3: Right, That's one of those things where you go, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put this down and go garden for an
Speaker 3: hour because I just like my whole brain just up.
Speaker 3: You cannot look into Oklahoma bombing seriously and not see
Speaker 3: Gladio written all over it. You just can't. Every aspect
Speaker 3: of that was the weapon cachets they just so they
Speaker 3: ends up at the hangar where the nine to eleven
Speaker 3: hijackers were training out of I mean literally everything about it.
Speaker 3: They overlap, the logistical support everything I was trying to
Speaker 3: find where I actually uh talked about his dad. But
Speaker 3: I'll send you the ex post because all of that
Speaker 3: is connected pack con.
Speaker 2: YEP, which which my theory and not even my theory.
Speaker 2: I don't own it. But the idea is that essentially
Speaker 2: the way that I guess you could say it's you're
Speaker 2: glad you kind of evolves over time, but at least
Speaker 2: with the Oklahoma City bombing, and I think probably in
Speaker 2: other ops, I see a similar type strategy. I think
Speaker 2: pat Con was likely to some extent, probably in a
Speaker 2: genuine intel gathering operation. I mean, I don't agree with
Speaker 2: what the way it went about things, but I don't
Speaker 2: think it was trying to perpetrate false flag attacks. But
Speaker 2: now I mentioned a few people who are CIA and now,
Speaker 2: so I think what we're looking at as you see
Speaker 2: one OP that might get infected by another. In this way,
Speaker 2: you get plausible deniability as you exit the op. That's
Speaker 2: my personal opinion.
Speaker 3: I think the entire thing, just like GLADIO, was made
Speaker 3: to look legitimate, and the entire thing was Gladio. They
Speaker 3: were stashing weapons at guard armories.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. Operation Punch out and all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how is that not Gladio. The entire concept of
Speaker 3: Gladio is having weapon cachets around the country that you
Speaker 3: can fall in on. What better place to stash them?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well okay, yeah, I'm just thinking through you.
Speaker 3: If you look at Gladio, if you just looked at
Speaker 3: it on the surface, if you went on Wikipedia and
Speaker 3: you go, oh, well, you know, it was all to
Speaker 3: fight communism. What's bad with that? It was never to
Speaker 3: fight communism. I'd established that one hundred percent. There was
Speaker 3: no communism. There was no communism legitimate. Even the Tudor
Speaker 3: Party in Iran. Go back and look at because I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, this Tutor Party that they claimed was communists,
Speaker 3: and it may have been communists, but how many people
Speaker 3: were in the Tudor Party, like a thousand? There were
Speaker 3: millions of people in Iran. So we went over through
Speaker 3: a government because there's a thousand people in the country.
Speaker 3: You didn't like the Tudor Party was no threat. There
Speaker 3: were no threat to anybody. It was an excuse, every
Speaker 3: single one of them. Watamala, Nicaragua, Oh my god, they're
Speaker 3: all communists. They they told us the park was communist.
Speaker 3: The fark never even talked to a communist. So the
Speaker 3: entire thing is a lie. And once you get that part,
Speaker 3: then you have to dig a little deeper and say, well,
Speaker 3: what were they hiding with the lie? Pat Con to
Speaker 3: me was the anti communist umbrella of legitimacy that hid
Speaker 3: the actual operation that was being conducted.
Speaker 2: I guess the theory I'm trying to articulate is is
Speaker 2: kind of the way I see it with at least
Speaker 2: pat Con, and the way it interacts with something like
Speaker 2: a gladio of sorts is I almost feel like that's
Speaker 2: like an asset that can tap into. So like there
Speaker 2: will be operators on the ground in pat Con who
Speaker 2: their belief of it is they don't think they're any
Speaker 2: part of any false flag and uh and to some
Speaker 2: extent even maybe on to the higher ups of pat CON.
Speaker 2: This is an intelligence gathering operation. But all it takes
Speaker 2: is onesies, twosies, a little here and there to make
Speaker 2: a shift, a little shift, and you already have essentially
Speaker 2: these are essentially stay behind units. But then you just
Speaker 2: put one one little actor, drop him in there, and
Speaker 2: then now he is someone to know and he can
Speaker 2: he can make it go live. Like you've already set
Speaker 2: that thing into play. Yeah, like straths may Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my whole point. So let me talk about
Speaker 3: that for just a second, because do you make a
Speaker 3: very very important point. So people ask me all the
Speaker 3: time because I'm military, Well, is all the milk military?
Speaker 3: Then bad that was involved in these CIA operations like
Speaker 3: with the Contras and stuff. No, because you're you really
Speaker 3: have to delineate between. So if pat Con the entire
Speaker 3: concept was bad, and I would argue that it is,
Speaker 3: it was a false foot facade. Now does that mean
Speaker 3: everybody in pat Con was bad? No, that's your point.
Speaker 3: Just like when we were illegally supporting the Contras, this
Speaker 3: CIA intelligence that was made up said they were communists.
Speaker 3: So if you get a JSOT guy down there training
Speaker 3: what are literally terrorists, but they're described as anti terrorists
Speaker 3: or anti communists fighters because we were told the Sandinistas
Speaker 3: were communists. So you get this gung ho young twenty
Speaker 3: two year old buff you know, green beret whatever ranger
Speaker 3: guide down there and he's training people to fight communists,
Speaker 3: that's what he thinks he's doing. He's not doing that.
Speaker 3: He is training people to be terrorists to attack a
Speaker 3: legitimate government that the CIA, and the International Syndicate doesn't
Speaker 3: like so they are using that capability, and that's to
Speaker 3: your point. Does that mean everybody involved in the operation
Speaker 3: is bad. No, it does not, because they rely almost
Speaker 3: exclusively on CIA intelligence, which is not intelligence. It is
Speaker 3: an agenda to do whatever the International Syndicate wants done.
Speaker 3: They United Fruit owned primarily all of Nicaragua. They owned
Speaker 3: almost all of the irritable land there. They didn't use
Speaker 3: all of it. They didn't want competition, so they had,
Speaker 3: through corrupt land deals, basically bought the higher country. So
Speaker 3: you have peasants and you have this elite group that
Speaker 3: they co opt into suppressing terroristically the peasants so they
Speaker 3: can live a life of luxury by sucking up to
Speaker 3: United Fruit. And when the Sandinistas come to power and
Speaker 3: kick United Fruit out of the country, they just pick
Speaker 3: up the phone and call the CIA say hey, I
Speaker 3: want that government gone. The CIA then produces the necessary
Speaker 3: intelligence to convince Southcom to go down to Nicaragua and
Speaker 3: train the contrast in Al Salvador and Honduras and Guatemala,
Speaker 3: and they think they're training anti communist people to take
Speaker 3: out a communistic government, when that's not the case. At all,
Speaker 3: and they hide all of the real information from these people.
Speaker 2: I did want to mention actually when when I mentioned
Speaker 2: earlier the little info about the Florida swamps and the Everglades,
Speaker 2: and I actually I think I recollect that from my
Speaker 2: OKAC research because I believe it was purported that McVeigh
Speaker 2: I believe was actually going with Roger Moore to deliver
Speaker 2: arms to the Cuban exiles in the swamps down in
Speaker 2: the Everglades. If so, yeah, then that kind of goes
Speaker 2: more to the idea of like literal stay behind units
Speaker 2: that they're training up there. Now, the last question I
Speaker 2: want to bring it to. I mean, I think we've
Speaker 2: kind of done an incidentally done a good job of
Speaker 2: kind of going through the eras through this. Let's bring
Speaker 2: it back to bring it to modern day. And I
Speaker 2: think probably one of the best examples of kind of
Speaker 2: what I'm driving at is in how it's evolved. Although
Speaker 2: when I say it's evolved, the other forms still coexists
Speaker 2: at the same time, Like we have like the Michigan
Speaker 2: stuff that's kind of almost like a sort of in
Speaker 2: the same milieu of the OKC stuff. But then we
Speaker 2: have what's kind of you kind of emerged in the
Speaker 2: past decade or so, the rise of the school shooter.
Speaker 2: And now I would I would I would say or
Speaker 2: or just the shootings, maybe not necessarily school. I mean,
Speaker 2: it kind of is a wide range of different things,
Speaker 2: but generally speaking is typically schools. And I don't know
Speaker 2: if you've really embroiled yourself in this area, but like
Speaker 2: I would say, something like the nine A seven sixty four,
Speaker 2: that's probably one of the best best ties in Yeah,
Speaker 2: And that's I know a lot of people are already
Speaker 2: kind of jumping to that conclusion with this one, which
Speaker 2: I get. I actually think there's a lot of that
Speaker 2: does seem to point to that, but it's not conclusive.
Speaker 2: It's still very early with the most recent shooting over
Speaker 2: in Minnesota, but even then, that's kind of what people
Speaker 2: are jumping at, and it it kind of, let's be real,
Speaker 2: kind of fits the patterns. We get a lot of
Speaker 2: stuff going on in the world right now. Let's be real.
Speaker 2: The powers that be would love a distraction right now,
Speaker 2: and this is kind of the perfect distraction for them,
Speaker 2: and it is if you look into seven six four
Speaker 2: and then if you it's parent purported parent organization O
Speaker 2: nine A. It's it's it's origins very much are in Gladio,
Speaker 2: which seems to be here, you know, where I'm driving at,
Speaker 2: and that is kind of leaked intoday. That was you know,
Speaker 2: kind of formed in the post World War two era,
Speaker 2: and then at least that's the legend I think technically speaking,
Speaker 2: the guy who has the Gladio, if I recall correctly,
Speaker 2: the guy with the Gladiot connections, it does also make
Speaker 2: a big legend of himself, but many until people do so,
Speaker 2: it's kind of like, how do you parse what's real
Speaker 2: it's not, But it seems I think there was some
Speaker 2: sort of sources that do seem to corroborate his his
Speaker 2: Gladio connections. So aside from just this word.
Speaker 3: The part that was in the UK for the nine A.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I get I just because I just thoughts
Speaker 2: and kind of how it's involving into today. It's obviously
Speaker 2: seemingly now coming into the chat rooms. It's even a
Speaker 2: kind of even the child trafficking component with a seven
Speaker 2: sixty four. Uh maybe not trafficking maybe but overtly but
Speaker 2: maybe at least abuse, because that's leaning into that. I mean, hell,
Speaker 2: even trafficking there's been multiple cases of seven six four
Speaker 2: or the calm or just generally those types of people
Speaker 2: that have you know, abducted children or rapes and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. So I mean, uh, and I mean these
Speaker 2: are also people that are committing shootings and stuff. They're
Speaker 2: just they're literally accelerationists. This whole chaos, out of control thing.
Speaker 2: Their whole modus operandi is creating chaos. Hell, even this
Speaker 2: current thing going on with the shooting, a lot of
Speaker 2: what they are about is even tapping into the narrative game.
Speaker 2: Kind of weird. I guess this kind of ties into
Speaker 2: the idea of like, oh, it's just Cammi's and like, well,
Speaker 2: they're kind of playing off that, like that dialectical thing,
Speaker 2: but on a higher level, almost as if the populace
Speaker 2: has evolved and now they're literally intentionally trying to play
Speaker 2: off the binary dialectic going on. For example, this guy's
Speaker 2: a trainny, but at the same time then he's saying like,
Speaker 2: you know, six million wasn't enough or whatever, like, so
Speaker 2: people are getting conflicting messages is he left, is he right?
Speaker 2: Is he what? And then people immediately read into it
Speaker 2: what they want. I mean, hell, we already literally, I
Speaker 2: think hours before this there was a freaking cash ptel
Speaker 2: put out with like list a few different things about like,
Speaker 2: oh look at that, Oh he said he hates Trump.
Speaker 2: He said, oh, this is right. When you're like you're
Speaker 2: missing the point, you're missing the point entirely.
Speaker 3: So I have an Anthony Sutton actually coined these phrases,
Speaker 3: the Hegelian right and the Hegelian left right. So if
Speaker 3: you keep in mind that that's a that's a narrative
Speaker 3: in and of itself. There is no right and left.
Speaker 3: There's a Hegelian pretend left, and there's a Hegelian pretend right,
Speaker 3: and those are too basically for most people. You like
Speaker 3: to always think cowboys and Indians. You like to always
Speaker 3: think there's good guys and there's bad guys.
Speaker 2: Black Cat's white yeats.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is not true. There is a group of people.
Speaker 3: And I kind of used to when I first started this,
Speaker 3: I used to joke that the International Syndicate like the
Speaker 3: He's not left, He's just a Hegelian leftist. And then
Speaker 3: you've got the Koch brothers, they're not right. They all
Speaker 3: want the same thing. They want to control resources and
Speaker 3: they want to control us. So they're the Hegalian right.
Speaker 2: Hell, even capitalism communism is that too?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: I mean, I will admit I have my political theory.
Speaker 2: I it depends on capitalism. Is it's kind of you know,
Speaker 2: depends on who's defining it. But generally speaking, I mean
Speaker 2: that's literally the Nazi communist kind of dialectic that we're
Speaker 2: sort of seeing here. They kind of roughly made it
Speaker 2: this capitalistic or state capitalism and or state socialism or
Speaker 2: communism or whatever, and created this false dialectic. And even
Speaker 2: as simple as you point out these corporations, let's be real,
Speaker 2: how do the right, how does the right generally approach corporations?
Speaker 2: That's good? These are the John Gults of the world,
Speaker 2: the the Howard Rourke's. These are the the the high,
Speaker 2: the well to do businessmen, the Elon Musk's uh.
Speaker 3: And then Hegalian left does it the same thing with
Speaker 3: their funders. Yeah, like the sorosis. So that's why I'm
Speaker 3: saying the entire narrative is bullshit. If you could excuse me,
Speaker 3: if you could pretend that they're three year olds and
Speaker 3: you're playing the game with straws. You know how one
Speaker 3: straw was shorter than the other. And that's how you're
Speaker 3: going to get to pick who's it. I don't know
Speaker 3: if you did that when you were kids, but we did.
Speaker 3: You picked like little straws, like straw hay straws or
Speaker 3: grass blades. And if you were going to play a
Speaker 3: game and you're gonna pick who's it first, like hide
Speaker 3: and seek, whoever got the short one was going to
Speaker 3: be it. That they're literally in a room pulling straws.
Speaker 3: Everybody that got a short straw is going to be
Speaker 3: the Hegelian right, and everybody that got a long straw
Speaker 3: is going to be the Hegelian left. They're in one club.
Speaker 3: If you go back to the thing, like we just
Speaker 3: did an entire series on Skull and Bones, they all
Speaker 3: came out of the same club. Of them are right,
Speaker 3: the Hegelian right. Half of them are the Hegelian left.
Speaker 3: It's a false narrative. It's used to distract us and
Speaker 3: make us pretend like it's the Cowboys versus the Pittsburgh
Speaker 3: Steelers back in the you know, nineteen seventies, when they
Speaker 3: were like the two teams that everybody wanted to watch.
Speaker 3: It's all bullshit.
Speaker 2: It's Clinton and Bush slinging drugs in Arkansas. It's a yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a I mean, what more can you really say?
Speaker 3: Narrative? So if for the last eighty years the drug explosion,
Speaker 3: no matter what president was in office, if you just
Speaker 3: took a narrative bringing it back to home to your point,
Speaker 3: if today we just watched a government that a friend
Speaker 3: of mine was not at January sixth. He was in California.
Speaker 3: He made a post on the internet that kind of
Speaker 3: was associated with January sixth, and he had his house
Speaker 3: rated by the FBI. He wasn't even in They found
Speaker 3: him based on a post. Now, do you want me
Speaker 3: to believe that that guy that just did that school
Speaker 3: shooting they couldn't find that guy in all of the
Speaker 3: shit that he posted. Give me a break. If they
Speaker 3: wanted to find these people, they have so much of
Speaker 3: our information. They know every kid that is messed up
Speaker 3: in the head, most of them are under psychological evaluation,
Speaker 3: most of them are on prescription medicine. Are you telling
Speaker 3: me that the world's most intelligence gathering organization that can
Speaker 3: find the little needle in the grandma with cancer in
Speaker 3: whatever state she was from, that was in Washington, d C.
Speaker 3: Can't find that kid. I don't buy it. I don't
Speaker 3: buy any of it.
Speaker 2: He was posting his plans basically, I was covering this morning.
Speaker 2: So it's like, I mean, he he bought.
Speaker 3: Three guns in close proximity and a shitload of weapons
Speaker 3: or ammunition for the guns, and that did not raise it.
Speaker 3: I can't go buy a gun, three of them in
Speaker 3: a row and not draw a red flag in that system.
Speaker 3: How did that not flag him? So all of those
Speaker 3: types of things, they want you to believe that that's
Speaker 3: all possible when it's not possible, while at the same
Speaker 3: time showing you it's not possible with what they did
Speaker 3: with January sixth. They can't find anybody they want. They
Speaker 3: can make up a crime on anybody they want. So
Speaker 3: they have the capability to do this, where they choose
Speaker 3: to use that capability is what we should be paying
Speaker 3: attention to, and that, to me is the most disturbing
Speaker 3: part of all of this, is that we are so
Speaker 3: fixated that there is actually a left and a right
Speaker 3: when we've been proven over and over and over again.
Speaker 3: The changes between the Reagan administration, the Bush Senior Clinton
Speaker 3: Bush Junior Obama, not a damn thing changed. The only thing,
Speaker 3: like opium continued cocaine, continued, And if you are spending
Speaker 3: billions of dollars in this quote unquote fight against drugs,
Speaker 3: do you think that you ought to have at least
Speaker 3: a little bit of a decline in the supply coming
Speaker 3: into America? If you are actually fighting a war on drugs,
Speaker 3: if you go to Columbia, what you find every drop
Speaker 3: of that money was used for. It was not a
Speaker 3: single drop of it used for fighting the cocaine. It
Speaker 3: was paying and training to create a national police force
Speaker 3: in Colombia and terrorists, and those terrorists we were told
Speaker 3: was fighting the farc. Well, the farc was basically a
Speaker 3: representative of the people that had been displaced because of
Speaker 3: Colombian oil in the olivegarchs. And if I have to
Speaker 3: exploit a company or a country for oil, I might
Speaker 3: as well. If they have mountains, I'm gonna grow. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna grow whatever drug crop there is, because you can
Speaker 3: pick between opium and cocaine. So they already had coca
Speaker 3: down there. Coca was a medicinal plant that was used
Speaker 3: to make tea and like real medications traditionally for the
Speaker 3: indigenous people in that area. So hey, if you've got
Speaker 3: that and I make cocaine, we'll go with that. And
Speaker 3: so you find that every single one of these things.
Speaker 3: So in the billions of dollars we sent down there
Speaker 3: in the war on drugs, what we actually created was
Speaker 3: a twenty thousand person pairamilitary capability housed in Colombia. And
Speaker 3: you know what they're using them for now, rentam mercenaries.
Speaker 3: They're in Ukraine, they're in Africa. So all of these
Speaker 3: private military contracting companies they hire third country tree nationals,
Speaker 3: primarily Colombia. We trained all of those people to supply
Speaker 3: to these private military contractors. They are using them. You
Speaker 3: in uses them as rent a pair of military security.
Speaker 3: The State Apartment uses them. And so we the people
Speaker 3: have paid for this paramilitary capability that both the CIA
Speaker 3: covertly but they also use them overtly and private militaries.
Speaker 3: All of those guys. In Iraq there was Colombia's everywhere.
Speaker 3: That in Afghanistan there were Colombians everywhere.
Speaker 2: One example of maybe not directly this, but kind of
Speaker 2: pointing to what you're getting at that. A recent example
Speaker 2: is Syria. I don't know if you remember the fallout
Speaker 2: that was going in Syria with the DRUS and all
Speaker 2: the rampant killings between the sectarian violence, and it's kind
Speaker 2: of confusing of who's doing what, this or that. But
Speaker 2: when you get down to the crux of it, I
Speaker 2: believe what really set it off was essentially one group
Speaker 2: claims that they can kidnapp some either one or multiple
Speaker 2: people from their group, and the other one claims the
Speaker 2: same exact thing. You also have between the different violence,
Speaker 2: you have mercenaries all over the place. So you have
Speaker 2: this crazy obfuscated situation, which I've said from the beginning
Speaker 2: when I found out with the root cause of the
Speaker 2: whole skirmish and essentially that Israel, then when you was
Speaker 2: able to take buffer zones and kind of capitalize on it,
Speaker 2: it seemed all too convenient that both sides just magically
Speaker 2: missed some people all of a sudden. To me, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, obviously I have no idea. It
Speaker 2: could have literally just been one side stole one some
Speaker 2: people from the other and vice versa. But to me,
Speaker 2: it looks like both people seem genuinely like, hey, what
Speaker 2: the hell you took some people. It's like, well, maybe
Speaker 2: there's a third party here exploiting your sensibilities. I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's kind of what it feels like. And then you
Speaker 2: add in the mayhem of these mercenaries, which there were
Speaker 2: claims by the Seeran government, which I don't know whether
Speaker 2: it's true or not, that a lot of the supposed
Speaker 2: sectarian violence was coming from different mercenaries who weren't even
Speaker 2: technically part of their group. So it's just all this now.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the truth of the matter is,
Speaker 2: but just point to even just the mercenaries itself could
Speaker 2: kind of create this. They can play off that when
Speaker 2: they want to, Oh, these are just they're not even
Speaker 2: from here.
Speaker 3: So plausible deniability. So what you have if you zoom
Speaker 3: out in Syria, it's a resource issue. Every one of
Speaker 3: them boils down to that. So these oil companies around
Speaker 3: there wanted a pipeline through Syria. So Asad flew to
Speaker 3: the UK, met with a queen personally said hey, you
Speaker 3: can build your pipeline. I don't have a problem with
Speaker 3: your pipeline. You're not bringing British forces to guide guard
Speaker 3: the pipeline. My forces will guard the pipeline. You're gonna
Speaker 3: pay me royalties. I have an incentive to guard it
Speaker 3: and not let anything happen. To it. The Queen basically
Speaker 3: told them to pound sand kind of just like lu Mamba,
Speaker 3: kind of like Mozaedic, kind of like all of them.
Speaker 3: So Asad said, okay, well then you're not going to
Speaker 3: build the pipeline because I'm not allowing British forces in
Speaker 3: my country because every place you show up, the president
Speaker 3: gets overthrown. So you're not going to be in my country.
Speaker 3: And so they declared all out war on a SOD.
Speaker 3: He was supposed to go with the Arab spring. He
Speaker 3: was left standing. And so it was full scale attack
Speaker 3: on a SOD from all forces, Israel, NATO, everybody. They
Speaker 3: wanted them gone. Well who shows up? ISIS and al Qaeda. Well,
Speaker 3: where did they come from? Well they were trained in
Speaker 3: the by the CIA in Afghanistan. Both of those two organizations,
Speaker 3: al Qaeda and ISIS are trained and created by the CIA.
Speaker 3: They are used by the CIA all over because once
Speaker 3: we lost the anti Soviet, anti communists boogeyman, they always
Speaker 3: have to have a boogeyman. From the fall of the
Speaker 3: Berlin Wall in the late eighties early nineties, we immediately
Speaker 3: transitioned with Desert Storm one to radical Islamic terrorists. They're
Speaker 3: in the new boogeyman. So they already created.
Speaker 2: That funny you Soalia and in the same going into Isis,
Speaker 2: we're still there fighting Isis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so create radical Islamic terrorist in uh Afghanistan
Speaker 3: during the eighties fighting the communists. And so now we
Speaker 3: have the whole mushah Haden al Qaeda Isis birth and
Speaker 3: now we have our built in new boogeyman waiting on
Speaker 3: the sideline. So the Soviet Union comes down and immediately
Speaker 3: we got a new enemy. That's not a coincidence. That's
Speaker 3: called chaos and control. So now they're going to create
Speaker 3: terrorism because that's going to be the new Soviet threat.
Speaker 3: And everywhere we go it's all to fight terrorism. And
Speaker 3: that's what happened in Syria. We want a side gone,
Speaker 3: So we're going to have terrorist events in Syria. So
Speaker 3: al Qaeda comes in, Isis comes in, and it's all
Speaker 3: an all out front to take a sawd out. And
Speaker 3: that's basically all you need to know. It was Israel,
Speaker 3: it was NATO, it was everybody, and they're gonna throw
Speaker 3: everything they have at him until he's gone. And now
Speaker 3: he's gone.
Speaker 2: All right, we're almost at two hours. That's how you know.
Speaker 2: This has been a good episode, so I appreciate your time.
Speaker 2: I think we'll probably leave it there. I mean, if
Speaker 2: you have anything else you feel like it needs to
Speaker 2: be added. But I think we did a pretty good
Speaker 2: job of covering the basics of a gladio. But let
Speaker 2: people know where they can find you any last thoughts
Speaker 2: and we'll get on out of here.
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