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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fantasy Hockey Life, presented by fan Tracks. Here's

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shit Kiss, your source of information and analysis to help

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you win your fantasy hockey league.

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Speaker 2: Block off hot a step hit on stay lock Block.

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Speaker 1: Here's your hosts, Jesse Sevier and Victor Nunhoe.

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Speaker 3: Hockey Live back once again.

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Speaker 4: Jesse Severe fan tracks Victor Nunio of an each prospect. Victor,

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how you doing.

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Speaker 5: I'm doing awesome, Jesse. Yeah, good to be back chatting

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again and looking forward to this episode. How are you doing.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great, man, I'm doing great. It is that

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time of year that my babies, my fantasy teams, they

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fall one by one. I hope that at least a

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couple of them make it through. Our man Kevin in

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the four Sport diesel Is, he just blitzes me every year.

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He's coming after me in hockey. I'm playing him in

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basketball at the same time. It's it's just a whole thing, Victor.

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But yeah, it's that time of year. We'll have some survivors.

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Our common team is looking good right now. That that's

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at least a blessing. How you doing, man, that's a

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lot of me.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm doing well. I have I'm definitely still alive

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in a few leagues. One of them are Common League,

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where I thought it was pretty much over for me,

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but I won the first round matchup and now head

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ahead in the second one the semi, so that's looking good.

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I have a couple other teams where I'm in the

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semis and yeah, the team we gm together, we're looking

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really good. We're looking like we have a legit chance.

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So I'm excited about that. So always fun and actually

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one league, it's funny. I don't know if anyone else

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has experienced, but my boy Clay and I co manage

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this team and we just we walked through the regular

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seasons as a one seed and then it's almost like

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we forgot how to play or how to like manage

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the team because we're getting blown up in the first

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round here and that's no fun. I'm not looking forward

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to that, and we still have a couple of days

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to pull it out. I'm hoping we can turn things

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around because we barely lost any matchups all year and

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cruise to the number one seed. And now it sucks

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when that happens and you go out early, earlier than

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you should have.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that is what head to head will do

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for you. It's all a coin flip. When you get

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to the end, one bad week spoils the whole thing, victor.

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But even if your championship is spoiled by an early upset,

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because everybody listening at this point, no doubt has just

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a smashing team, just an outstanding team that will destroy worlds,

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you can still enjoy yourself by getting into the Fantasy

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other people, or celebrate your victories. We should have like

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a celebration thread in there, just everybody doing their sellies

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after their championships this year. But you can get in

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be able to pop in there and participate for free

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in some great discussion. But aside from that, there is

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also the Patreon. Tell people what they can get over.

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Speaker 5: There, tons of great stuff over at the Patreon. In fact,

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I just made a big update on the ranks. It

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was supposed to be done after World Juniors, but I

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we mentioned previously all the different things that were going

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on personally, so it didn't happen, but it did now

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and all kinds of updates on the different players, the prospects,

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how they're doing, how their ranks change and adjusted throughout

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the year. So people have been asking and this should

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really help you make some decisions at trade deadline and

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through the playoffs rest of the season. So you can

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see that. If you're an ultra lifer, you can already

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have access to that update. And there's all kinds of

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other cool stuff too, like getting in lined for a

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position in the tidy. You can also get one on

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one help with your roster and different decisions. You can

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join in the Patreon Priority channel, and of course get

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Speaker 4: That's right, Victor. Now we're going to take a break.

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It's just victoring me again. There's been good time s

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lately doing that, Victor. Just you and me, man after

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this with some NHL discourse. Victor, it's been about a

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week and a half by the time people are listening

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to this since the NHL trade deadline, and we're not

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really an up to the minute type podcast. I'm sure

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that everybody has gotten their fill of all the NHL

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trade deadline analysis, But what we like to do is

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we like to talk prospects.

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Speaker 3: It's no secret.

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Speaker 4: And so we're going to talk about some of those

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prospects that were moved that maybe people hadn't heard about

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and are trying to assess, particularly maybe in the context

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of new teams. So we're going to go through I

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pretty much have every trade that went through. A couple

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of these we're going to skim through because the prospects

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aren't particularly relevant. It's probably good for you to know

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if they're not particularly relevant prospects, but we're going to

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get into the ones that we can hear victors. So

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we're going to start out the Edmonton Oilers. They acquire

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Max Jones, Peter Hawser, Trent Frederick, and it's a three

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team trade. Boston gets Max Wanner and a second and

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New Jersey gets Shane la Chance, the only one you

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really looked at out of this mess of prospected players.

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players of the guys who have major pro experience. Shane

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la Chance, though, who's going to New Jersey is somebody

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who you thought may be worth discussing a bit. So

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what do you think it's Shane la Chance.

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Hockey Prospecting and h show zero percent chance of being

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a star, no chance for the chance. That's funny. You

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look at the PNHL E and it has him about

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a forty eight point player. The comparables are guys you

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probably haven't heard of, except maybe Andrew Pertolowski. But he's

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a friend. NHL are at best, so it doesn't look

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that exciting, but I think some thing's worth noting. First

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of all, he was drafted sixth round twenty twenty one.

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He's a really late birthdayate August thirtieth, so he's still

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only twenty one. This is his draft plus three season,

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and he's finally he was drafted out of prep school

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and then he went to the USHL for two years,

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and then he's been at Boston University for the past

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two years and this year he's their captain. And so

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at twenty one, which is not super bold, he has

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twenty seven points in thirty four games, so that's part

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of it. The foot speed in the movement has been

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an issue, but you can't deny the fact that he's

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six foot five, two hundred twenty pounds. The guy is

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just a beast, and so that was probably going to

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get him some looks in the NHL. So Shanela Chance

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doing really well at BU and he's got the frame

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that isn't that suggests he can be an NHL or

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and he's putting up production to at least warned him

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a look. I think he's still probably a bottom sixer

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who can bang, So he's not like super exciting, but

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there's something there in a deep enough league, certainly, if

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you're in a thirty two team league, you want to

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be looking at channel the chance. In maybe in twenty

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ish deep leagues if your roster's miners rosters are deep enough,

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it may be worth it. But more shallow leagues you're

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you're probably not that interested. I don't think the upside

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is huge. I would be shocked if he ended up

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becoming a second liner. So don't get too excited, but

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you know that he in the right of the setup.

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Speaker 4: Chance outstanding And moving on to our next trade. Victor

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of the Florida Panthers v Tech Vanchik, you have a

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dog a bone goes from San Jose to Florida because

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they need an extra goalie, and instead Patrick Giles returns

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to San Jose. Is this anything, Victor.

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Speaker 5: No, I don't think so. I think we can move along.

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Speaker 4: Right next up Tampa Bay the Oliver b. Jorkstrand trade.

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Yanni Gord is moving, Kyle o'cahann, Michael Essimont's moving in

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this trade. Everybody's moving all along. The only one in

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prospectum is Kyle Acoin who is moving into Tampa Bay.

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Speaker 3: Is is Kyle anything for us to paid as you do?

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Speaker 5: Probably not either, And so I would probably just move

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along with Kyle o'coin. But you're always a little bit interested,

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because their system is so bereft of talent that you

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always can wonder maybe he'll get a chance, maybe he

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can do something. We saw Nick Perbicks, we saw some

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other guys actually get some opportunity, and maybe in the

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deepest of deep leagues, you might have some interest, but

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I wouldn't go too crazy. And in case you're wondering,

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this is Adrian o'coin's son, Kyle o'coin and Adrian did

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play for a long time in the NHL, so he

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has some some bloodlines there. Nice.

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Speaker 4: Nice And next up, the New Jersey Devils get Brian

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Dumelin from Anaheim and in return Herman Trough and a

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second round pick go back Herman Traff to New Jersey.

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Speaker 3: What do you make of him?

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Speaker 5: He's interesting, I think I would say he's six foot three,

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one hundred and sixteen pound winger, and he would drafted

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just as past draft ninety first overall by the New

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Jersey Devils. And he's still he's not. He wasn't like

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super young for the draft class, actually was old for

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that class. But he's still pretty young in the funnel,

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pretty early in the funnel, it hasn't had too much

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time to show what he can do. And last year

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he played primarily in the j twenty. This year he's

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played twenty five SHL games, which is a pretty big jump.

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Hockey Houlspenceken and did really well six points in nine games.

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you can't really fault him too much for a nineteen

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year old not scoring too much in the SAHL. But

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points and twenty five games, it's hard to make a

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projection about what things are going to be long term.

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it's worth keeping an eye on. I do really respect

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the Ducks pro scouting staff, and so if they were

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interested in him, you probably should have some mild interest.

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that our buddy Mason I think are pretty spot on.

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You got Marcus Krueger and Lucas Walmart. I think Herman

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he does hit like a beast. He's not like a

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super huge guy, but he is. Let me see, he's

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only sixty three, yeah, so he's pretty good size. But

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he hits at ninetieth percentile for the SHL, which isn't

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like an overly physical league. So he is the guy

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who's going to throw the body around. And so at

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least when and if he does play NHL games, which

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on his trajectory, that he will throw the body a lot.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. And did I say New Jersey? He started New Jersey.

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He ended up in Anaheim. Anaheim could use the help. Finally,

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after the next trade involved somebody who I dang well

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heard of, the Vegas Golden Knights get Riley Smith and

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try to decide if they still have a prospect to

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They traded for him. Brendan Barisson, the Michigan alum, goes

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back to the Rangers. Is this an opportunity for Brisson

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to reset a little bit? He's not necessarily had the

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best time lately in his prospect stock.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I don't think it has gone super well for Brasson. Actually,

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I think it's funny that he and Alex Holtz were

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on the same line for a while, and I often

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commented that I thought they were the same player. They're

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both relatively flawed players that had a great shot and

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you know, could actually score a lot, but didn't really

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do a whole lot else, and you know, he really

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needed to round out his game, and looking at some

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of the expected goals against and for charts, he's pretty

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below NHL average is Brasson, and so he hasn't really

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up and down, played a lot of HL games, and

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he hasn't really been able to make that next step.

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three points so far, twenty four NHL game six points,

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and he hasn't really generated a lot. He's a bit

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of a liability defensively, and his shot isn't that good

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that he can justify not being an asset in other ways,

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and so I think that's part of why the Vegas

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Golden Knights moved him. He also, looking at some of

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its HL numbers, the play driving and the shots, hits,

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everything else hasn't been super great. And so I've been

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down in Bisson for a while now. Because of that,

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his trajectory is certainly looking like it's trending down. Maybe

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in the right situation, the Rangers can do something good

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with him, but I think the reality is that both

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of these teams were too good to give him a

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real opportunity, which is what he really needs. To find

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a good centerman to set him up and utilize his skills.

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long for the NHL quite frankly, and so it's probably

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not gonna probably not going to turn out super well

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for brisshn And And the other thing that's funny is

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that how many Golden Knight draft picks have they actually

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retained at this point. I think they've pretty much traded

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all of them.

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Speaker 4: Right, It's a philosophy, man, there's a there's somebody in

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your dynasty league who does the exact same thing. Right,

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If they get anybody relevant, they are cashing that chip

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in and we'll see.

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Speaker 3: If it catches up with them eventually.

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Speaker 4: But the Minnesota Wild get Justin Brazil from the Boston

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Bruins and return for Rat kuz nadinof a Jacob Lauco

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and a pick justin Brazil. What do you make of

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this incoming Minnesota Wilder?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's interesting, right. I think that a lot of

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us didn't really think that much about him, and he's

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covered out in an NHL role, right, so that's good

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for him. He's played at this point eighty NHL games

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across the last couple of seasons. He's got a thirty

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ish point guy who has some pretty decent peripheral coverage.

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He's played sixty one NHL games, has ninety three hits

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and about a half block per games. About a hit

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and a half per game and a half block per game.

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That's pretty decent. He doesn't shoot much, but the peripheral

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coverage is there, and the priffs for sixty or high

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because he's only getting twelve minutes a night. So you

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look at his bash potential and it's high. But I

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don't know that he's ever gonna earn too much more

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ice time. You look at some of his expected goals

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for and against. He's actually got a pretty decent expected

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goals for, but his coursing against his relatively average, but

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his expected goals against is low. So I'm just not

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sure that he's going to do anymore than what you've

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actually already seen of Justin briz Brizo. I think he's

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got high priffs, low time on ice, dirty ish point guy.

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I would be surprised if that shifts much even in

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the move to Minnesota. Maratt, who's the DNA off On

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the other hand, though, that's a He's a little bit

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of an interesting guy. I've liked him even from back

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in the day when he was an undersized guy in

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the KHL people were doubting that he could play in

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the NHL. I was definitely saying that I thought he could,

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and so far, so good seventy six games, but he

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has not. What is his thirty two total NHL points,

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He's been on average of a. I mean, he's only

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played seventy six games with an average of thirteen points

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per season, so pretty low. He has done pretty well

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or somewhat well defensively, but his expected play driving in

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goals have been really poor, although I believe in his

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was his first or second game with Boston he had

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a really nice goal, so maybe there's more. The one

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thing is Boston definitely needs him. It's funny though, because

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Minnesota actually also needs centers, but they clearly thought that

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he wasn't going to be one of them, so they

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traded him. So I think he's going to get an

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opportunity in Boston. I don't know that he's going to

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make much more of it. I don't or On the

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other hand, I don't think he's much more than a

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bottom six pivot at that he might slide the wing.

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Interesting though, because he is a smaller guy, but he

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actually blocks a ton and he hits a fair amount too,

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So he's got forty blocks in sixty NHL games this season,

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which is pretty remarkable. He's almost has more blocks than hits,

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which is funny. And he has grown a couple inches

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since being drafted, so he's now five to eleven, so

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still undersize, but not as dramatically as he was at

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five point nine when he was drafted. So I don't

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think you can expect too much from Marot, who's na

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d enough. But I do think that he should get

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a little bit more opportunity with Boston. And I know

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Boston's allergic to the R word, the rebuild word, but

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I do think that they're still going to probably count

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on him for getting at least getting some opportunity to

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show what he can do, and I think maybe he

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can get to the forty to fifty point pace and

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be a bottom six center. But beyond that, I'm not

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sure that there's much more. Jesse.

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Speaker 4: I don't care if they call it rebuild or breakfast Taco, Victor,

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They're doing it or they're going to have to do

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it here pretty soon. Boston is on the change mode, Victor.

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I finally, this time, I know we're getting a prospect

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who we can talk about, who can get thrilled about.

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Because the Colorado Avalanche traded for brock Nelson and sent

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back their baby Callum Ritchie, along with other things, and

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Owen william Before actually went in that trade as well.

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But cal Ritchie going to the Islanders. I heard on

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I forget which podcast it was, but they said lou

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Lamarello was telling teams, if you want brock Nelson, I'm

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taking your number one prospect. And in this case, I

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think he did tell us about Calum Ritchie.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I definitely agree. I agree that he did. And

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I heard that too, And it makes sense. If you're

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gonna give up one of your best assets, you dang

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better get what you think is the best return. And

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I would agree. I was probably the best they could

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have gotten out of Colorado. I think that everyone knew

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what was going on here. Richie is still a good prospect.

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Is he, you know, a top line kind of guy.

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Is he have tremendous upside? Is he as exciting as

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we thought he was in his draft plus one season?

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I don't think so. I think he's more likely a

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Middlesex guy. I think he showed with his brief NHL

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stint this season with the Avalanche that he can hang

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in the NHL, and I think with a little bit

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more seasoning, he definitely can play. But I don't think

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that he's going to be the kind of guy that's

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going to be a super high end producer. In fact,

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if you just want to look at who they traded

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for him, does he surpass the upside, the upside and

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production that we saw from Brock Nelson? I would say

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probably not. Actually, I would say he might be just

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below that line. Nelson was for a long time a

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pretty average producer, and then the last several years he's

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upped it to be pretty you know, above average, not elite,

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but pretty strong, pretty consistent, And you know, maybe Richie

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gets too close to that. But I'm not sure that

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he passes at he still has upside for around, you know,

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the brock Nelson area, but I think realistically he's just

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going to be as strong middle six contributor who's you

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know that fifty ish point pay sky and in the

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right situation has upside for more, which in Colorado seemed

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a lot better than it does on Long Island. I

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think they really need to retool, get younger, and improve

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their team because things are not looking good in the

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long term there. But I still like Richie. I think

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he's a strong prospect. He's he's definitely the question is

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between him and Iiserman, who's the best on that team.

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I think that if you're going all around hockey player,

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it's definitely calm Ritchie. If you're going fantasy upside, it's

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got to be Cole Eiserman. So depending on what you're

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looking for, at least there's a couple of decent guys

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to talk about here on Long Island now, so that's good.

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But they need both of these guys to hit and

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a whole lot more for them to be a competitive

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team moving forward.

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Speaker 4: Jesse darn Well Victor that once you put that Islanders

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Jersey on. Just assume that you've added five miles an

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hour and ten points you're scoring. That's just how it works.

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The Islanders are just I'm being sarcastic people William de

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four victor anything unwilliamed before.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I've been a little low on to four for

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a while. He's someone who struggles. I've seen struggle with

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the pace a bit. He's had some HL time the

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past few seasons and he's been okay, he's been fine.

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I think he still struggles with that a little bit.

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I think he's someone who probably could play in the NHL.

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I think actually this move to Colorado probably doesn't help

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him because Colorado is one of the fastest paced teams

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and likes to play that certain style. I think it

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would have been easier for him in color in Long

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Island to play a little bit of that slower, controlled

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physical pace. But maybe Colorado has a specific idea for him.

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I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure that he's

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someone that we should be super excited about. Most of

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his analytics look pretty poor in terms of his projection.

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Even some of his play driving this year in the

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AHL looked average at best, and in terms of his

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bash's wage, he shoots blocks and hits decently. I just

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don't think there's a lot of points upside there. I

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think he might just end up being a banging or

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grinder kind of you know, a third fourth liner kind

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of guy. So I am not super excited about before actually,

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and if someone wanted to give me something nice and

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shiny for him, I would take it.

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Speaker 4: Scott Lawton and in return and a first round pick

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head down to the Flyers. Tell us about Nikita Gribonkin.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I definitely see it written and spell different ways

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g r E b E n K I N or

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sometimes there's a b y O n K I N

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in case you're looking and can't find it. But I'm

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pretty sure it's as you said it. Gribiancan is how

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I've heard most people say it, and I think that

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he's Yeah, I think he's pretty exciting. I think I've

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heard some people say this, and I would agree that

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he seems like a Flyers type of player. He's physical,

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he likes to play that hard note style, which is

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It's funny because I think a lot of Leafs fans

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were excited that this guy could bring something that they

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didn't have a lot of in their system and they're like, Ah,

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we can't have that, let's get rid of it, let's

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trade that away. So yeah, that is funny that happened.

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He is that player. He is physical looking. At his

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AHL numbers, he's seventieth percentile for hits, which is that's

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his jam. He likes to get in there, mix it up.

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He's six two two ten. He's got that physicality. He's

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got experience playing professionally in Russia before he even came

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over here. And I think his first full season this

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year in the AHL has been pretty strong. He had

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a cup of coffee early on with the Leafs and

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then he's been in the with the Marleys twenty one games,

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twenty one points in thirty nine games he has so

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far this season, with quite a few pims to go

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along with that. That's coming off a forty one point

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in sixty seven game KHL season. I think this is

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really good for the Flyers. I think it's good for Gribyankan,

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who I think will probably get a little bit more

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of a role earlier on. I still think he's probably

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just a realistically bottom six, maybe middle six, best scenario

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kind of thing. But I don't think you should get

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too excited, except that the floor for hits at least

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should be pretty high. For the rest of the stats,

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I wouldn't get too carried away because I don't think

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he's gonna do much and this PINANCHIALI has him at

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left thirty five to forty, which I think is realistically

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probably where he ends up.

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Speaker 4: Moving on to the next trade, Colorado Avalanche acquired yet

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another of the sell off of the Boston Bruins in

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Charlie Coyle. The Boston Bruins saw the end of Colorado's

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Casey Middlestat experience with them coming back or Middlestack coming

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back to the Bruins, and draft picks were flying, but

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also tucked in there somewhere William Zeller's moves from Colorado

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to Boston is William Zeller's something we should be paying

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attention to.

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Speaker 5: You're saying they were sellers or they were Zellers. I'm

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not sure they could be anything.

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Speaker 3: They could be breakfast stock, O Victor. I'm gonna make

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this a thing.

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00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 5: They're just making me hungry. Yeah, so Zeller's. Zeler is

475
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,640
an interesting guy. I think of all the guys that

476
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,359
we're talking about. He's really raw and probably one of

477
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,279
the earliest in the funnel. So he was just drafted

478
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,960
this past year twenty twenty four, third round, seventy sixth

479
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,880
overall by Colorado. He's five to eleven, hundred and seventy pounds.

480
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,359
That's part of why he probably went a little bit later.

481
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,079
He was in high school the twenty three twenty four

482
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,000
season at Shattuck Saint Mary's and he was in the

483
00:24:24,039 --> 00:24:26,200
USHL last season and he had a good season, but

484
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,079
it wasn't or sorry that was this season he was

485
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,200
drafted out of high school and then this season he's

486
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,559
been with the Green Bay Gambler sixty points and forty

487
00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:35,119
two games. Always hard to draft these high school kids.

488
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,440
I think one hundred and eleven points in fifty four

489
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,319
games at Shattack Saint Mary's looks amazing. But also I

490
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,000
don't know. I've seen film on these high school games

491
00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:44,559
and I don't even know what I'm looking at. It's

492
00:24:44,599 --> 00:24:47,880
just one kid who's just so much better than everybody else.

493
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,640
It's hard to figure out. But Zeller's is that guy.

494
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,119
I think his transition to the USHL has been pretty good.

495
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,079
His pnhle this year Mason doesn't really have one for

496
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,960
the high school prep circus circuit, and so this year

497
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,240
it's sixty six, which is pretty decent. Most of the

498
00:25:04,279 --> 00:25:07,079
comparables in that model aren't people you've heard of, but

499
00:25:07,079 --> 00:25:09,279
there is a Bohorvac comparable there, which would be, of

500
00:25:09,319 --> 00:25:12,799
course pretty decent. He only has a four percent chance

501
00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:15,039
of being a star on the Hockey Prospecting model, and

502
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,319
Byron does have a high school equivalency, but it was

503
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,839
really low in his draft season. So most of the

504
00:25:19,839 --> 00:25:22,880
guys in that model you haven't really heard of. I'm

505
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,480
not really sure that there's too much here, but I

506
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,599
am interested in Zeller's partly because of going from high

507
00:25:29,599 --> 00:25:32,359
school to the USHL and maybe he can continue to

508
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,240
grow after that. He's going to the University of North

509
00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:37,519
Dakota this year. Just know that if you're investing in Zeler's,

510
00:25:37,559 --> 00:25:39,359
it's going to be a bit of a wait. He's

511
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,119
going to be someone who's going to take some time,

512
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,000
but there may be a pretty decent payoff. He also

513
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,640
is a pretty late birthdate in April fourth birthdayate, and

514
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,160
so he's got He's going to take some time, but

515
00:25:48,279 --> 00:25:50,559
he could really pop off in the NCAA and be

516
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,039
a decent contributor. I don't think he's a first line guy.

517
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,039
I think he's someone who might be a little bit

518
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:58,920
a little bit more of a middle to bottom six guy.

519
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,920
But he's still so early in the funnel that the

520
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,279
range of outcomes are pretty wide.

521
00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:05,599
Speaker 4: All right, I'll take wide outcomes.

522
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 3: Let's take a brief break. Come back.

523
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 2: We got a few more trades to discuss.

524
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,319
Speaker 4: You know it. Sometimes victory in your league you're like, Okay,

525
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,400
what is the stuff that are is at the bottom

526
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,319
of my roster? I don't even want anymore? What if

527
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,240
I offered all of them at the same time to

528
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,039
somebody else, just for anything, just for the smallest thing

529
00:26:37,079 --> 00:26:39,279
they can get. And that's what seems to have happened here.

530
00:26:39,559 --> 00:26:41,920
It used to be Utah that made trades to accumulate

531
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,359
those things. Now they're trading away Victor Soderstrom and Shay

532
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:52,400
Weber's contract to the Chicago Blackhawks for a draft pick

533
00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:56,319
and also in addition to Soderstrm and Webber and solder

534
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,720
Stream I think is back in Europe, Aku Ratu, brother

535
00:26:59,799 --> 00:27:04,240
of Ratu goes is Aku Ratu, is that the incentive

536
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,279
for Chicago to make this trade?

537
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 3: Was it Soderstrum? Was it anything Victor?

538
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:08,759
Speaker 5: What?

539
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,559
Speaker 3: He must be a non zero?

540
00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:13,319
Speaker 4: Right? Oh?

541
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 5: I don't think you can assume that. I don't know

542
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,920
why Soderstrom is in Europe, and I'm interested in that.

543
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,480
I've always thought that he could be a capable fourth, fifth,

544
00:27:23,599 --> 00:27:26,880
or more likely fifth or sixth defenseman. The contract you

545
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,640
get the money, of course there's that, but I think

546
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,640
that he's someone who possibly could still play, and so

547
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,839
maybe they're thinking that they could get at least one

548
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,480
of these guys to be in a NHL or for

549
00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:38,640
that contract for Weber and not giving up too much.

550
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,920
A fifth round pick isn't anything too exciting, so I

551
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,799
wouldn't worry so much about that. But no, I don't

552
00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:45,880
think Aku Ratu is anybody exciting. In fact, I'm most

553
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,319
excited with Victor Soderstrom. But that's assuming he can come

554
00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:52,240
back over the Atlantic and actually be someone who's But

555
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,160
I don't really think there's much here.

556
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's broke my heart a few times now, so

557
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,440
maybe who knows, maybe by next year, Old ready to

558
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:05,519
love again. New Jersey acquires Cody Glass to Cody Glass's

559
00:28:05,519 --> 00:28:09,200
great surprise, apparently along with John Gruden, and they sent

560
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:13,559
back a couple of prospects to the Pittsburgh Penguins. It

561
00:28:13,599 --> 00:28:15,559
looks like they're trying to get something down there, and

562
00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:18,039
they got a third round pick probably the main return

563
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,799
Chase Stillman, Max Graham. Two prospects that move from Jersey

564
00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:26,599
to Pittsburgh are either one of them worth discussing.

565
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 5: No, but I want to talk about the old Raiders

566
00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:33,279
head coach being traded in this hockey deal. That's no.

567
00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:35,640
I know. I don't think anyone here. Cody Glass I

568
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,480
thought for a while could be interesting, and I hope

569
00:28:38,519 --> 00:28:41,160
he really keeps his career going, but I think he's,

570
00:28:41,559 --> 00:28:44,799
you know, bottom six guy at best. Chase Stillman, who's

571
00:28:44,799 --> 00:28:48,880
Corey Stillman's son, who had a pretty decent career. Maybe

572
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,240
he can carve something out of in the NHL, but

573
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:53,440
at this point it's looking like he's he's a tweeter

574
00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:55,799
or HL or at best. I don't think there's really

575
00:28:55,799 --> 00:28:56,920
anything exciting here.

576
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,759
Speaker 4: I think original recipe John Gruden would if you thought

577
00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:03,759
of him as Monday night football commentator, because everything that

578
00:29:03,839 --> 00:29:07,480
happened to him in Las Vegas, he probably would prefer

579
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,880
nobody remember at this point, Ottawa the Ottawa Senators were

580
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,279
involved in several big trades. The one that we will

581
00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:18,000
mention here is they got Fabians Zetterlund from the San

582
00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:22,359
Jose Sharks along with Tristan Robbins, and the San Jose

583
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,200
Sharks got zach O Stopchuk and Noah Gregor, and some

584
00:29:26,319 --> 00:29:29,680
draft picks were flying to Let's start with Tristan Robbins.

585
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,160
Is that anything for Senators fans to be excited on

586
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,200
the incoming side?

587
00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:39,559
Speaker 5: Probably not. Carolyn was an interesting get. I don't think

588
00:29:39,599 --> 00:29:41,440
that we need to talk about him though we know

589
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,440
who he is. And Gregor is just a filler he

590
00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:47,119
was with San Jose. Maybe he's more of a mentor

591
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,079
now for the younger kids. But Robbins, that's funny. We

592
00:29:50,079 --> 00:29:52,920
were back in the was it the twenty twenty draft

593
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,799
when they drafted Wiseblad and Robbins and they were both

594
00:29:55,799 --> 00:29:57,519
tearing up in the WHL, and I remember there was

595
00:29:57,559 --> 00:29:59,559
a big rivalry between the two about who's going to

596
00:29:59,599 --> 00:30:02,119
be better, And it turns out the answer is neither,

597
00:30:03,359 --> 00:30:05,680
because I don't think either of them are really going

598
00:30:05,759 --> 00:30:08,039
to be much. Wiseba is playing some NHL games, but

599
00:30:08,079 --> 00:30:11,559
I don't think either of these guys are super exciting

600
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,160
and wise blat Sorry, Robbins didn't look like he was

601
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,839
really gonna get much of a chance with the Sharks,

602
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,599
even though they're not such a good team. He had

603
00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:22,119
a really good first AHL season, but he's been pretty

604
00:30:22,119 --> 00:30:25,599
poor the last couple and maybe he can resurrect his

605
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,400
career and be a bot bottom line kind of guy.

606
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,400
But I don't think that's anything to write home about,

607
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,400
so no, I would move on from him. But Zacha

608
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,160
Stapchek is someone who I think has a little bit

609
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,720
of interest. He's six three two o five twenty, he's

610
00:30:39,759 --> 00:30:42,200
still twenty one, he'll be twenty two this year, and

611
00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:45,440
he's played some NHL games last sear This season, he's

612
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,279
had forty three games seven last season. He was close

613
00:30:49,319 --> 00:30:51,279
to a half point per game last season in the AHL.

614
00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:54,039
This season he had eleven points in fifteen games. I

615
00:30:54,079 --> 00:30:56,519
think he's got a little bit more upside, But realistically,

616
00:30:56,559 --> 00:31:00,160
I think he's probably like your fourth line center on

617
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,200
a good team, maybe a third liner, but I think

618
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,039
that's about as high as you can go with the staff. Chuck.

619
00:31:05,119 --> 00:31:07,079
On the other hand, if you look at his BASH,

620
00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:11,400
he does have pretty high BASH based on his AHL numbers,

621
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,680
and so there could be a pretty decent floor there

622
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,720
for priiffs. And so, depending on your league, you might

623
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:19,000
have some interest in a stap Chuck. I don't think

624
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,599
you should expect any scoring, but he could be one

625
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,200
of those guys who could fill the stats and drive

626
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,599
play for you. Depending on how deep your league is,

627
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,720
there could be some mild interest in Zach Stapchuck.

628
00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:32,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, at least he's one who's had a bit of

629
00:31:32,359 --> 00:31:35,079
a profile in the past. Now we get the new

630
00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:40,880
Jersey Devils who got Mark McLaughlin from Boston and they

631
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,880
sent back to Boston Daniel Missyule. Is that is, mister Mimsyule,

632
00:31:46,079 --> 00:31:47,960
anything we want to pay attention to.

633
00:31:49,799 --> 00:31:51,839
Speaker 5: I don't think so. I think we should just move on.

634
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:55,839
Speaker 4: Moving on. Toronto Maple Leafs get Brandon Carlo from the Bruins.

635
00:31:55,839 --> 00:31:57,880
The Bruins continue to sell off, and this time they

636
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,640
get another. This time they get a pretty prominent prospect,

637
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,079
all but one I think whose star has declined a

638
00:32:03,079 --> 00:32:06,559
little bit over the years, Fraser Minton. He is coming

639
00:32:06,599 --> 00:32:09,640
back to the Boston Bruin. It's a system where he

640
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,640
should have probably more opportunity to move up than others.

641
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,799
And what do you think of Fraser Minton's prospects.

642
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that he was definitely a victim of

643
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,440
being in the Toronto Maple Leaf system and getting a

644
00:32:24,519 --> 00:32:27,759
lot more hype than he probably deserved. And I think

645
00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:30,319
the expectations in the bar got set way higher than

646
00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:33,000
they should have. He definitely seems like he's going to

647
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,079
be in NHL or he seems capable of playing at

648
00:32:37,079 --> 00:32:40,240
that level. He's played some NHL games. He had fifteen

649
00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:43,160
this season. He fit in okay, he had a few points,

650
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,359
and he didn't seem terribly out of place. But also

651
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,880
he doesn't seem like he's someone who's going to put

652
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,599
up a lot of points in the NHL and exceed.

653
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:52,359
But he's someone who could be a good depth piece.

654
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,200
And he's got some physicality to him too, and so

655
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:58,799
I think that also fits with what Boston likes. Since

656
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:01,359
all of that to say, I think that it probably

657
00:33:01,359 --> 00:33:03,720
is a good fit for the teams. But I don't

658
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,599
think you should expect too much from Minton. And I

659
00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:08,960
think if you actually go back and look at even

660
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,440
where all the hypes started, it never really was super justified.

661
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,559
None of his analytics ever suggested he was going to

662
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:17,200
be a super high score. He was always going to

663
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,000
be at best, maybe a fifty to sixty point guy,

664
00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:22,160
but I think realistically is probably even a little lower

665
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:27,079
than that with some pretty strong prifs. So unfortunately that

666
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,079
was that's just the reality, and he's still probably going

667
00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:31,880
to be a pretty capable NHL aor and a good

668
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,960
depth piece, and it's unfortunate that people might be disappointed

669
00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:39,200
in that outcome because they expected more from him.

670
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:42,599
Speaker 4: All right, Victor, that's our run through it. I gotta

671
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,519
say I'm a little underwhelmed by the types of guys

672
00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:48,599
scrat traated. At least I thought you'd give me some

673
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,799
enthusiasm for Calum Ritchie, but this is a little underwhelming.

674
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:58,160
Do you think generally NHL teams are clutching their best

675
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,039
prospects and just unwilling to trade them because of salary

676
00:34:02,079 --> 00:34:03,400
type implications right now?

677
00:34:03,799 --> 00:34:06,799
Speaker 5: I think there's a few reasons. It's interesting because this

678
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,920
market was with so many teams being in the race

679
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,920
this year, there was a lot of teams that were

680
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,159
wanting to buy, but not buy super hard, not pushing

681
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:19,960
all their chips in, and so there weren't too many sellers,

682
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,800
and so the prices for a lot of these for

683
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,400
a lot of the modest returns were pretty high. And

684
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,840
Brandon Carlow for one of your top prospects is a

685
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,000
silly season, and so what would they be wanting for

686
00:34:34,039 --> 00:34:37,360
even higher defenseman right, a number two or even a

687
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,679
number three. I think that the prices were just so

688
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,639
astronomically high. I think that's part of the reason we

689
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:45,559
didn't see more moving a carl Oter. Avalanche were a

690
00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:49,119
classic example of they were willing to push in one

691
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:53,000
of their top prospects and because they're close, they're only

692
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:56,679
a few pieces away from winning another Cup or they're

693
00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:59,320
already a contender, right, So there aren't too many teams

694
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,079
that are in that sit situation that both have the

695
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:05,440
capital and have the expectation that they can go really far.

696
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,519
I mean, there are a couple other teams that I

697
00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:11,679
think could have pushed their chips in like Tampa always

698
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,519
tries to, but they just don't have any assets that

699
00:35:13,559 --> 00:35:16,199
are worthwhile to do that kind of thing. So there

700
00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:18,159
aren't too many teams that are in that situation where

701
00:35:18,159 --> 00:35:19,800
they could have given up a lot to get a lot,

702
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:22,280
and so it just made it for an underwhelming return

703
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,719
on some of the prospects, but there are still some

704
00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:28,039
decent depth pieces, and there were some pretty a couple

705
00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:29,960
of decent blockbusters that was fun at least in terms

706
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,119
of NHL players, but not so much in terms of

707
00:35:32,159 --> 00:35:34,719
high profile prospects moved. So I think it was partly

708
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,400
just because of the market this year and how many

709
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,159
teams are in their contention window.

710
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Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe it's a fluke. Maybe it's the fact that

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some teams really seem to want a semi established That's

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what a lot of people were trying to get back with,

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somebody who with some NHL experience, it seems like. And

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then there were plenty of these flyers, not of the

715
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Philadelphia variety, but of the to just take a chance

716
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on somebody lower down player to be named later types,

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but just that intermediate the top prospect nobody's trained in Danilla,

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Eurov's rights for a semi star potentially coming back to Minnesota.

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And I don't know if that's just because of cap

720
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stuff in the years of control or just that valuable

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or what, but it surprises me. It's a little bit

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of a little bit of a lull here. But at

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least people who are following individual teams have a sense

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that there's not great fantasy enthusiasm for some of these players,

725
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although maybe some of them will have some real life

726
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type implications for the rebuilding squads.

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Speaker 3: Victor any more thoughts.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's interesting that you brought up Minnesota.

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I think that's a classic example of a team who

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has a ton of assets, but they're not really ready

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to push all their chips in. So the question is,

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are we ready waiting another couple of years for these

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prospects to mature and really open our window up wide,

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or are we ready to catch some of these chips

735
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in and really go all in and get even a

736
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modest return for this top prospect. And I think they

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decided we'll trade a couple of the lower end guys

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like Kuzandinoff, but we're certainly not going to trade some

739
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of the higher and certainly not like an O Grin

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and certainly not like a year Off. So they were

741
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conservative on that run, and I think it makes sense.

742
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I think it would have been foolish for them. I

743
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think we all could agree it would have been foolish

744
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for them to push in a bunch of their top

745
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,599
prospects for was brock Nelson really gonna win them a

746
00:37:23,639 --> 00:37:26,440
cup probably not right. It would make them a lot

747
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better team, but they're probably still not going to be

748
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able to match up against Dallas and Colorado and even

749
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Vegas and Edmonton. So I think that was probably wise

750
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of them to do that, but it certainly didn't make

751
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things less exciting for us, right Jesse.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right.

753
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Speaker 4: It's the same thing as in the our original what

754
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I called our league. We play against each other, our

755
00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:49,800
oldest ones. The f ok it is it is one

756
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,920
where the top teams in the league don't have any

757
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,800
big proct prospects. So when I'm trying to sell off

758
00:37:57,159 --> 00:37:59,639
those top teams, the teams that are willing to push

759
00:37:59,639 --> 00:38:03,199
in theirs don't have many chips to push. And so yeah,

760
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the Colorado is willing to send out their top prospect.

761
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That's cal Ritchie. We heard about him today. Dallas is

762
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willing to send out one of their best young assets.

763
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,159
Logan's thank COVID, but he's too established to come up

764
00:38:16,199 --> 00:38:18,679
in an episode like this. But you could argue easily

765
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,360
that he was the top young young piece who was moved,

766
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or top future potential type guy who was moved because

767
00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:29,039
he hasn't necessarily fulfilled what we think he's going to fulfill. Yeah,

768
00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:31,880
some of those teams just don't have the ponies to

769
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,639
send in. You're right, why would in Minnesota give up

770
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,159
their big prospects. So that's the dilemma. Other years, perhaps

771
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we will see other things. Victor, this has been a

772
00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:44,039
great talk, and we'll be.

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Speaker 3: Right back after this. The CLO's up the jong.

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couple things to mention. One of them is our show

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Speaker 4: In some of them, and I hope that if you

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haven't played there before, you will give it a try.

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