Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome to a new episode of the Poker
Speaker 1: Go Podcast. My name is Donni Peters and I'm flying
Speaker 1: solo today to bring you a conversation that I recently
Speaker 1: had with Jeremy Osmas. Jeremy, of course needs little introduction.
Speaker 1: He's been a guest on this podcast before, but it's
Speaker 1: always good to chat with him and to catch up.
Speaker 1: I especially wanted to do so coming off of the
Speaker 1: big summer that Jeremy had with twenty two dobasipy cashes,
Speaker 1: seven final tables and more than three point four million
Speaker 1: dollars on. Some of the topics that we hit on were,
Speaker 1: of course, his World Series of Poker. We hit on
Speaker 1: selling tournament action with Jeremy often does, and he has
Speaker 1: some action now up on poker steak dot com for
Speaker 1: the Super High Roller Series and Super High Roller Bowl
Speaker 1: that is taking place in Cyprus. So if you want
Speaker 1: a piece of Jeremy, I would go check that out
Speaker 1: at poker steak dot com. We also hit on the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame and then we talked about the Olympian
Speaker 1: in Jeremy's family. Hope you guys enjoy here's the interview.
Speaker 1: All right, Welcome to the show. Jeremy Osmas. As many
Speaker 1: of our listeners know, this isn't the first time that
Speaker 1: you and I have spoken, but it's always it's always
Speaker 1: good to catch up see how things are going. Thank
Speaker 1: you for joining, sir.
Speaker 2: Sure, of course, glad to be here.
Speaker 1: So it's been a month, I think pretty much exactly
Speaker 1: since the Divisip has ended. That's the biggest, most jam packed,
Speaker 1: possibly grueling time of the year for a tournament player.
Speaker 1: What has life been like since the Divissip? Have you
Speaker 1: been playing poker at all?
Speaker 2: I played an online session on a Sunday last Sunday,
Speaker 2: and I believe that is the only poker I've played since.
Speaker 2: So what is it the fourteenth or something? And I
Speaker 2: finished up around the twenty second. I took a little
Speaker 2: trip to Colorado, been doing fair amount of coaching and
Speaker 2: just kind of preparing for this upcoming trip of mine.
Speaker 2: It's to Cyprus, getting back into the workouts and the
Speaker 2: routine at home, and just spend time with the family.
Speaker 2: So not a lot of poker. Is that?
Speaker 1: Is that coaching that you mentioned? Is that you coaching
Speaker 1: others or others coaching you?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Me coaching others. Yeah, I'm doing more and more
Speaker 2: of that these days, Yeah, demands kind of picked up,
Speaker 2: so I've kind of started to enjoy it and kind
Speaker 2: of from my you know, gotten a good routine with that.
Speaker 2: So I like that.
Speaker 1: Do you find it helps your poker game, your poker mind?
Speaker 2: It does. I mean, essentially, you're you're helping someone. You
Speaker 2: get to see them grow. That's cool. You you know,
Speaker 2: my rate is pretty good money, so that's cool. And
Speaker 2: also I'm just looking at sins or talking about poker
Speaker 2: and even ideas I have and things like that and
Speaker 2: just kind of reinforcing them over and over. So, you know,
Speaker 2: depending on the level of student you have, if it's
Speaker 2: a high level sent especially, you're kind of just like
Speaker 2: studying while you help them too. So it's pretty pretty
Speaker 2: efficient use of time basically.
Speaker 1: So coming off the WSP, I think you had twenty
Speaker 1: two cashes, seven final tables, which tied the record. You
Speaker 1: cash for more than I think it was three point
Speaker 1: four million dollars. You were in contention for Player of
Speaker 1: the Year. Was a pretty hotly contested battle, most notably
Speaker 1: against Scott sever who ultimately went on to win it,
Speaker 1: but there was others, you know, in the race pretty close.
Speaker 1: You didn't come away from the summer with a bracelet,
Speaker 1: though you didn't get Player of the Year. Of course,
Speaker 1: how does Jeremy Osmas rate his summer?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean really, I look at it like the
Speaker 2: dollars perspective. It's not all about winning the bracelets. And
Speaker 2: fortunately for me, I've been ran really well in the
Speaker 2: last few years and I've won, you know, five in
Speaker 2: the last prior three years to this year, so I'm
Speaker 2: kind of okay with my bracelet count these days. And
Speaker 2: you know, you always want to win one, and I've
Speaker 2: always wanted to win Player of the Year. It is
Speaker 2: hard to do without a win. It really is. Like
Speaker 2: if you look at the formula, it's just very top heavy.
Speaker 2: You almost just have to have a win to be
Speaker 2: competing in there. Without a win even was pretty cool,
Speaker 2: pretty crazy. I think they improved the formula quite a
Speaker 2: bit by making it you know, your top ten results
Speaker 2: only because I don't feel like it should be about
Speaker 2: who's ever going to play, you know, multiple tables at
Speaker 2: once at the World Series and count all the online events.
Speaker 2: I feel like the online bracelets shouldn't even count personally,
Speaker 2: So I think they've made it. They took a step
Speaker 2: in the right direction kind of making that that better,
Speaker 2: and I kind of learn about some new techniques if
Speaker 2: you're really trying to play the year and a lot
Speaker 2: of them, I'm not really down there because you just
Speaker 2: kind of burn a lot of money. So certain people
Speaker 2: so indeed want most specifically, he goes really out of
Speaker 2: his way to do crazy things like not play the
Speaker 2: main event or something like that. You know, if he's
Speaker 2: on the running for Player the Year, because it's actually
Speaker 2: bad for your EV of winning Player the Year, so
Speaker 2: and you know you're kind of focus. You give up
Speaker 2: dollary V in return for EV and winning Player of
Speaker 2: the Year basically. So it's fun. It was great to
Speaker 2: be in the race this year. I'm not willing to
Speaker 2: go to all the extremes that would make me the
Speaker 2: most likely to win it in the future, but anytime
Speaker 2: I start off pot at the World Series more than
Speaker 2: the first few weeks, I'll just stay at the Worlds.
Speaker 2: Like this year, I didn't go. It's hard to lead ever,
Speaker 2: so I would guess that thing, you know, parison horseshoe
Speaker 2: the entire seme. It was fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I wanted to hit on like specifically
Speaker 1: that you know, I watched I believe it was your
Speaker 1: WSP preparation video over on Weren't Once and you you
Speaker 1: talked in that there was a line where you said,
Speaker 1: my main focus is to make money. Maybe I can
Speaker 1: win Player of the Year and that'd be cool, but
Speaker 1: it's really just about maximizing profits.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I bring that up because you also mentioned, you know,
Speaker 1: the possibility of jumping from from venue to venue, playing
Speaker 1: wherever you might find value or you know, chase dollars
Speaker 1: and that sort of thing. Like, at what point this
Speaker 1: summer do you say, Okay, I have a shot at
Speaker 1: Player of the Year, I'm doing very well at the
Speaker 1: w SP. I'm just gonna stay here and like kind
Speaker 1: of really battle for this thing.
Speaker 2: Well, I think the first two or three weeks there
Speaker 2: weren't a lot of things, Like what really pulls me
Speaker 2: away from the WSP is the big events at the
Speaker 2: Win for example, I'm not running around and playing like
Speaker 2: a feteen hundred at the Venetian or the wind But
Speaker 2: it's more like some big buy in like they had
Speaker 2: some twenty five k's, some that huge WPT things like that.
Speaker 2: I'm willing to the Aria has a big thirty five hundred,
Speaker 2: which I did play, so a lot of those didn't
Speaker 2: take place in the first two or three weeks I
Speaker 2: think of those summer, and then I kind of had
Speaker 2: my you know, it did take Maybe my first little
Speaker 2: run wasn't until about two and a half three week mark.
Speaker 2: I think maybe two weeks I forget. But anyways, I
Speaker 2: had that, so it's a good start. But then immediately
Speaker 2: I just was fteing every tournament I played almost you know,
Speaker 2: I just had like urm after tournament where I just
Speaker 2: was going deep and deep and deep. So and then
Speaker 2: I'm right up there in the leaderboard, you know. So
Speaker 2: at that point, you know, the ARIA had like some
Speaker 2: ten k's no limit and some ten K plows, and
Speaker 2: you know they're not like rate value or anything, but
Speaker 2: I do like the price point. I do like to
Speaker 2: play TGT events, so I do sneak over there sometimes.
Speaker 2: But this year I was like, Okay, I guess I
Speaker 2: need to really like play all the ten K mix,
Speaker 2: which sometimes I play. Sometimes I don't even some small mix,
Speaker 2: you know, like generally I don't play the fifty mix.
Speaker 2: It's just kind of a big time commitment and there's
Speaker 2: so many big no limit and PLO tournaments. But at
Speaker 2: a certain point, I will kind of start to play
Speaker 2: those if I'm like really up there, because if you
Speaker 2: win one, that does a lot to help your chances.
Speaker 1: You mentioned there, you know, the how you started running
Speaker 1: kind of really hot, you know, making all these different
Speaker 1: final tables. Obviously, tournament poker is very streaky on both sides.
Speaker 1: You know, you can go long period of time without
Speaker 1: cashing anything or making a final table or winning. On
Speaker 1: the other side, you know, people can get really hot,
Speaker 1: really fast and really start to rack up the results.
Speaker 1: When you are doing very well and you are you know,
Speaker 1: making deep runs making final tables like you were, what
Speaker 1: does that do for your confidence level? And how do
Speaker 1: you like kind of keep that confidence in check because
Speaker 1: a lot of people, they know call it up till
Speaker 1: you know, they kind of get ahead of themselves and
Speaker 1: that can throw them off their game, even if they
Speaker 1: are running pretty.
Speaker 2: Hot, right. I think, you know, my level of experience
Speaker 2: at this point in my career helps me with that
Speaker 2: issue a lot, especially now I only play tournaments. The
Speaker 2: ups are bigger and the downs are bigger, so I've
Speaker 2: always been pretty even keeled with it, but being a
Speaker 2: tournament full time turnament really tests to you know, resolve,
Speaker 2: because especially playing how Irons, they'll just go on six figure,
Speaker 2: seven figure down swings kind of semi regularly. The trick is,
Speaker 2: you know, to keep your game as as solid as
Speaker 2: you can keep it in those times. And I think
Speaker 2: I can do that and you don't want to change
Speaker 2: your play like, oh, maybe I'm not doing this and
Speaker 2: that correctly, or you know, things like that. And for me,
Speaker 2: like I've done it so long, I like to zoom out.
Speaker 2: I can look at a graph I have or something
Speaker 2: of my poker career the last five years, and I
Speaker 2: can just see the success that it's had, you know,
Speaker 2: and that just instilled, you know, through all those periods
Speaker 2: of ups and downs, I'm pretty solid playing the same
Speaker 2: and when I can kind of look at a long
Speaker 2: term result like that and kind of just use it
Speaker 2: as a little bit of stability and support and some
Speaker 2: positivity to say, you know, it will turn around if
Speaker 2: I'm in a big down swing, or yeah, if I'm
Speaker 2: winning a lot, that doesn't give you an excuses to
Speaker 2: start playing bad. So I think I have that part
Speaker 2: down pretty good. And I think a lot of it
Speaker 2: apps to do with just long term being a long
Speaker 2: term winner in appropriate.
Speaker 1: You play second in the one hundred k high Roller.
Speaker 1: I think it was right around one point nine million dollars,
Speaker 1: But you did it playing in arguably the most electric
Speaker 1: final table atmosphere of the entire DIVISIPY. I would almost
Speaker 1: equate it to you were the away team going to
Speaker 1: play a playoff game in the home team's arena with
Speaker 1: all the fans and supporters that big unique Chris Unican
Speaker 1: had on his side. Like what was that experience like?
Speaker 1: And have you ever experienced anything like that in poker?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was an amazing final table, like the runouts,
Speaker 2: the people there, the rail was insane. Yeah you said it, well,
Speaker 2: like I was kind of the out of town team,
Speaker 2: but that I never have a big rail, I mean,
Speaker 2: so I'm used to that. This rail was kind of
Speaker 2: you know, they weren't out of out of line or anything,
Speaker 2: but they were very very loud. Had a pretty loud
Speaker 2: one the year before at the World Series two some
Speaker 2: Europe who it was, but this one was that times
Speaker 2: five or ten. So yeah, it was fun. You know,
Speaker 2: I like Pony. It was all his people and like
Speaker 2: I said, they weren't getting out of line or anything.
Speaker 2: So it does hurt a little more I guess whenever
Speaker 2: they catch that river card on you and the crowd,
Speaker 2: this erupts, you know, things like that. But but yeah,
Speaker 2: that was a very memorable final table. You know, I
Speaker 2: did final table main in twenty twelve, so that was
Speaker 2: probably that. You know, the stage can't really get me
Speaker 2: bigger incther than that, and I still remember that very well,
Speaker 2: and even just leading up to the final table, the
Speaker 2: experience like nothing else, making that final nine of the
Speaker 2: main event. So I've kind of you know, I've had
Speaker 2: at this point a lot of big finl tables, so
Speaker 2: I'm just always ready, you know, to play. The pressure
Speaker 2: doesn't get to me much. It's kind of hot up there,
Speaker 2: as one of my biggest complaints. I'm kind of hot.
Speaker 2: But I think I you know, performed well and I'm
Speaker 2: pretty used to it at this point.
Speaker 1: You mentioned, you know, how you don't have normally have
Speaker 1: big final table rails yourself. I mean, how come and
Speaker 1: it's not just you? You see it a lot in like
Speaker 1: the high Rollers scene specifically. I mean you mentioned the
Speaker 1: WSP Main Event final table You're run back in twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of expected, you know, going into that
Speaker 1: final table. You know, there's going to be a lot
Speaker 1: of supporters there for everyone else. But I always thought
Speaker 1: it was a little bit weird maybe for lack of
Speaker 1: a better word, that like one hundred K high Roller,
Speaker 1: for example, is supposedly the best players in the world,
Speaker 1: or if not, they're very popular players and people should
Speaker 1: be wanting to support them, Yet there's not often big
Speaker 1: rails other than like you know, might what we saw
Speaker 1: for you know, Heunikin. But I mean, why is that?
Speaker 2: I think it could be due to the fact that,
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of the guys at the highest level,
Speaker 2: they're not in this stage of their life where they
Speaker 2: maybe party a lot or go out a lot. A
Speaker 2: lot of my friends and just a lot of guys
Speaker 2: that poko they're they're having families now, so they're in
Speaker 2: a more kind of docile stage in their life. I
Speaker 2: feel like, where so a lot of their friends aren't
Speaker 2: these rowdy friends that are drinking all the time and
Speaker 2: things like that. Also a lot of their friends and
Speaker 2: in my case also are poker players and they're playing
Speaker 2: poker all summer. Also, I don't know, maybe a lot
Speaker 2: of the people that regularly succeed at the highest limits
Speaker 2: are are just a little more. I don't know, quiet
Speaker 2: and things like that. I think that's the thing, Like,
Speaker 2: if I look at the people you know at poker Go,
Speaker 2: it's not a lot of like wild people. You know,
Speaker 2: they're they've got their lifestyled in and optimized, and they're
Speaker 2: not they're not loud voice for celebrating and celebracious people celebrations.
Speaker 2: That word out.
Speaker 1: He just made it up in his mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't know. I think all those kind
Speaker 2: of reasons combined just kind of add up to something
Speaker 2: like that, because because it's true. You know, if I'm around,
Speaker 2: I'll go support a friend of mine at a final table,
Speaker 2: but generally I'm playing or something like that. You know,
Speaker 2: it's or I have a tournament the next day and
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not going to go on the rail
Speaker 2: and drink a bunch of beers. You know. That was
Speaker 2: kind of a perfect storm. Hoooney. He's got a lot
Speaker 2: of friends. He has huge parties at his house, you know,
Speaker 2: for the Fourth of July. He's always talking about and
Speaker 2: things like that. And uh, and I know a lot
Speaker 2: of our guys, you know, I like the guys, so
Speaker 2: it's cool to see. But yeah, I've just never really
Speaker 2: had that outside of like, you know, the main event
Speaker 2: things like that. My wife came down a couple of
Speaker 2: times this summer for me last year with my brother
Speaker 2: in law, and some friends will drop by, like Eric
Speaker 2: bald One and things like that, but he's on break
Speaker 2: of a tournament something, you know, to to that effect,
Speaker 2: so it's just kind of different.
Speaker 1: I guess, just a flashback quickly now to twelve years
Speaker 1: ago WSP Main Event final table. You end up cashing
Speaker 1: for a little bit more than two million dollars. What
Speaker 1: did you imagine your career would look like afterwards and
Speaker 1: how does it compare to what it actually became if
Speaker 1: you can like somehow go back any time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good question. I didn't really know. I mean I
Speaker 2: there weren't you know, there wasn't a big high stake
Speaker 2: scene back then. So it was without a doubt life
Speaker 2: changing money for me at the time. And I just
Speaker 2: had two young children at that time, you know, one
Speaker 2: month old and two and almost two year olds, So
Speaker 2: I kind of realized is that that just kind of
Speaker 2: helped this out with things like you know, just the
Speaker 2: expenses of a young family and things like that, and
Speaker 2: I knew I was more rolled to play bigger events
Speaker 2: and stuff if I need be. But you know how
Speaker 2: many hundred k's were there back then, Like there were questions.
Speaker 2: I believe there was, like, yeah, the World Series had
Speaker 2: one in like two thousand and thirteen, fourteen fifteen. I
Speaker 2: played a few of those hundred k's that they would
Speaker 2: have off and on, but they really it just wasn't
Speaker 2: a common thing, and so I guess I thought I
Speaker 2: would just kind of keep playing my Bologgio game. I
Speaker 2: kind of think, I I don't think I thought it
Speaker 2: would affect a lot as far as like what I
Speaker 2: would be playing, because I was playing at ten twenty
Speaker 2: and ten twenty forty at Bologgio. That was kind of
Speaker 2: the biggest game every day. You know. One thing I
Speaker 2: thought it could me to me playing more Mix and
Speaker 2: maybe playing them a big Mix game eventually. And I
Speaker 2: did play more Mix, not the big big one, but
Speaker 2: lower Mix played some of that. So that kind of
Speaker 2: put me on that trajectory a little more. I guess
Speaker 2: Outside of that, not a lot. I was never a
Speaker 2: guy who was dying to take on the toughest players
Speaker 2: and the biggest stakes. And you know, someone like Jason
Speaker 2: Koon's a guy who that's that's what he wants, and
Speaker 2: he wants to play the best and beat the best,
Speaker 2: and he's a very driven focus and he wants to
Speaker 2: co be the highest levels of things. I've never really
Speaker 2: been like that. I just want to kind of make
Speaker 2: a living, enjoy poker, and I'm always improving and things
Speaker 2: like that. And he's rubbed off on me a little
Speaker 2: bit to kind of play higher stakes, to push myself
Speaker 2: a little more, which is he's a really good influence.
Speaker 2: So but yeah, back then, it's just pokers have a lot.
Speaker 2: You know, it has changed a lot since then.
Speaker 1: You mentioned how you, you know, predominantly play tournaments these days.
Speaker 1: Are you aware that that that fifth place run in
Speaker 1: twenty twelve is your only main event cash?
Speaker 2: I am aware.
Speaker 1: Okay, my next question, why haven't you been able to
Speaker 1: cash anymore?
Speaker 2: It's funny I complain about people all the time and
Speaker 2: they tell me to shut up. I don't know what
Speaker 2: the problem is, Like I say, I say, I looked
Speaker 2: up out of him in the name. I have to
Speaker 2: patch it one time out of probably eighteen nineteen times
Speaker 2: now since two thousand and six, maybe one time, and
Speaker 2: it's arguably the easiest tournaments of cash. So yeah, it's
Speaker 2: kind of wild. But Scott Seaver has cashed zero or one.
Speaker 2: I forget I thought it was zero, but maybe this
Speaker 2: maybe he told me he did cash it one time
Speaker 2: now and he's played it probably I would say more
Speaker 2: than me. He's a great player, So you know, who knows.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just can't. I just can't cash.
Speaker 2: It's just it's just a weird varian thing in my opinion.
Speaker 1: You know, well, I mean you should play bigger where
Speaker 1: they respect your raises.
Speaker 2: Probably, that's yeah, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you do you think you approach it
Speaker 1: any differently than other tournaments? You know, I mean it's
Speaker 1: obviously a ten k buying yes, but the main event
Speaker 1: kind of doesn't really play like your normal ten k
Speaker 1: that you see so often. It plays like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: probably closer to a fifteen hundred in a lot of ways,
Speaker 1: depending on your table draw.
Speaker 2: Right, So yeah, I approach it differently than I would
Speaker 2: I roll an aria. You know, you have more time,
Speaker 2: you have more chips. Yeah, it's a freeze out, so
Speaker 2: all those things come into play. And I have a
Speaker 2: lot of experience in large field like soft tournaments and
Speaker 2: have been successful, you know, even the summer. Just like
Speaker 2: a lot of my runs, or a few of them
Speaker 2: were you know, one was a shootout of fifteen hundred
Speaker 2: shootout and other one of the twenty five hundred No Limit,
Speaker 2: a couple of my final tables. So so yeah, definitely
Speaker 2: adjust to the different types of players that you run across,
Speaker 2: some of the weaker players is a big part of it.
Speaker 1: I think, how much time these days do you work
Speaker 1: on your game off the felt not playing?
Speaker 2: Oh well, I mentioned the coaching that I do, and
Speaker 2: I'm able to do that because I've worked on my
Speaker 2: game a lot. You know, I feel pretty sharp overall,
Speaker 2: make less mistakes all the time than if I look back,
Speaker 2: you know for the previous few years or months, and
Speaker 2: I'm just my what I what I strive to do
Speaker 2: is just always improved. So I still I still am
Speaker 2: working on There's always more to learn and more depth
Speaker 2: to go into in different areas and and things like that.
Speaker 2: And you know, there's new software out there that's amazing
Speaker 2: and always improving. So yeah, I still definitely work on things.
Speaker 1: What's an area of your game that you feel needs
Speaker 1: the most work.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sound like GTO. It's it's so hard to
Speaker 2: just crush the gto though and just hit every spot
Speaker 2: like impossible, So try to minimize the mistakes when you're
Speaker 2: playing a good player, and then I think I do
Speaker 2: a good job of kind of throwing that out the
Speaker 2: window when I'm facing different types of opponents. I think
Speaker 2: ICM Final tables getting close to the money that was
Speaker 2: something that years ago I didn't think about much or
Speaker 2: care about because I was a cash game player. So
Speaker 2: that was kind of one of my bigger hurdles is
Speaker 2: just not torching big EV spots at final tables that
Speaker 2: I used to do probably, And also that's just kind
Speaker 2: of a you know, I feel like the ICM sims
Speaker 2: aren't perfect, and I feel like there's a lot of
Speaker 2: room for debate right now about maybe what is the
Speaker 2: actual right place because what they can do is somewhat
Speaker 2: limited and doesn't take everything into account obviously, which solvers
Speaker 2: done at all, but at you know, definitely don't because
Speaker 2: there's a lot of variables going on in the final table.
Speaker 2: So just trying to think about things like that, I
Speaker 2: think is a big deal, especially playing more you know,
Speaker 2: mainly high rollers like I play table so it's a
Speaker 2: pretty big deal to get that stuff down.
Speaker 1: Like you obviously play a lot of high rollers, your
Speaker 1: extremely experienced. You have the results to back it up.
Speaker 1: But are there are there any players out there? When
Speaker 1: you know, you sit down at the table, you see
Speaker 1: them across from you, and you kind of think to yourself, Okay,
Speaker 1: I really need to bring my a game. Or maybe
Speaker 1: you get a little bit of a lack of confidence
Speaker 1: that might seep into your brain thinking that, Okay, this
Speaker 1: guy is clearly better than me. I need to like
Speaker 1: really be on it today. Does that does that ever
Speaker 1: cross your mind these days?
Speaker 2: Well? I mean my good friend Jason, I know how
Speaker 2: good he is. I study with him, We talked poker
Speaker 2: a lot. He's just unreal good at every spot. He's
Speaker 2: a guy I never want to see at my table.
Speaker 2: He's I just think he's, without a doubt, one of
Speaker 2: one of the top guys. And I think you know
Speaker 2: someone like Childwick keep going throw in there. Those are
Speaker 2: all guys, but you don't you know, they're just not
Speaker 2: giving up much. They're super studied, they've been playing forever,
Speaker 2: very experienced. Live the hotels. You know, they can pick
Speaker 2: up tells, understand ic M.
Speaker 1: Well, you're likely to run into some of them when
Speaker 1: you head over to Europe. You're going to go play
Speaker 1: Super high Roll or Series, Super high Roll or Bowl.
Speaker 1: It's Super high Roller bol going to be the biggest
Speaker 1: buying you've ever played.
Speaker 2: It will be. Yeah, So I played the two fifty
Speaker 2: the last two years at the World Series, and then
Speaker 2: this one is three hundreds, so it.
Speaker 1: Will be Are you more nervous or more excited about
Speaker 1: playing a buy on that big.
Speaker 2: I don't know, and neither one has really has crossed
Speaker 2: my mind that much. I'm just kind of preparing. I'm
Speaker 2: sat in the chair for many years and just think
Speaker 2: I'll make some good decisions. Hopefully no torches. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm excited. I've never been to Cyprus. I'm more excited
Speaker 2: just for the actual overall trip. You know, it's several tournaments,
Speaker 2: pgt runs, great, great tournaments. Never been to Cyprus for
Speaker 2: just beautiful There's some PLO tournaments, so I'm just excited
Speaker 2: to make the trip. I haven't been out of the
Speaker 2: country outside of the Homers. Haven't been. I went to
Speaker 2: Madrid Triten one two thousand and two, so it's been
Speaker 2: a couple of years. So looking forward to it.
Speaker 1: Do you think we'll see you make more trips like this?
Speaker 1: I would say most specifically for Triton stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: they have the biggest stuff around the world every time
Speaker 1: every year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I you know, I keep saying, like, oh, the
Speaker 2: next and I'll go to the next tright, And I've
Speaker 2: been saying that for like a year. There's often something
Speaker 2: competing in the States in the stakes are much lower,
Speaker 2: but it's just close. I don't have to be gone
Speaker 2: for two to three weeks. It's just easier. The tournament's softer.
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of the big buyings I'm selling,
Speaker 2: you know, some action, so I don't have to deal
Speaker 2: with that. And a lot of times it's just sometimes
Speaker 2: it's just right here in Vegas at poker go at Arias.
Speaker 2: So it's hard. If it's hard when there's a series
Speaker 2: at aria of ten tournaments to go halfway around the
Speaker 2: world and get jet lagged, and why for twenty twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five hours? Hey that all those expensive whenever I
Speaker 2: could just sleep in my own bed right here. So
Speaker 2: it depends. I have been saying, especially the ones in
Speaker 2: Asia I'm going to go to. Where did they go?
Speaker 2: There was a couple of really Vietnam one was amazing,
Speaker 2: which they might not be doing back there. But then
Speaker 2: the just the Asian stop ser the amazing when I
Speaker 2: hear so, and I've never been to Asia.
Speaker 1: You mentioned, uh, selling Action. You have Action listed on
Speaker 1: poker steak dot com for this series. The super higher
Speaker 1: level is included in there. So just for the listeners
Speaker 1: out there, if you guys want to grab some of
Speaker 1: Jeremy's Action poker steak dot com, it's very easy to use.
Speaker 1: High lists some stuff on there all the time. It's
Speaker 1: it's great why I sell Action in that medium versus
Speaker 1: you know, just maybe your poker group or whatever it
Speaker 1: may be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's funny how many people came up
Speaker 2: to me this summer and said that they've been buying
Speaker 2: my Action and I was having a great summer and
Speaker 2: they were so stoked about it. So that was actually
Speaker 2: really cool to see. Uh So, Yeah, it just makes it.
Speaker 2: It makes it fun. And you know, as I've gotten older,
Speaker 2: I've gotten more risk averse for sure. And since I've
Speaker 2: switched full time tournament to tournaments, I didn't Yeah, so
Speaker 2: I used to just play mainly cash and some tournaments
Speaker 2: and the cash money is much more steady, and then
Speaker 2: when I go play a tournament, I would just take
Speaker 2: all of it and be like whatever, it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: because I'm just you know, doing fine cash and I
Speaker 2: just hardly have losing months. It seemed like tournaments are
Speaker 2: just enormously volatile. It's like it's just you can't even
Speaker 2: compare the two. So I really just went on so
Speaker 2: many massive down swings, but then massive upswings eventually too.
Speaker 2: But I just kind of decided I want to, you know,
Speaker 2: take a little less risk in a lot of these things.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, I just listen more action on there
Speaker 2: these days, and like I said, it is kind of fun,
Speaker 2: has a social aspect, and I think it's good for poker.
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of people are playing in tournaments
Speaker 2: say maybe could or couldn't play before, and a lot
Speaker 2: of people are listening their action on there, and it's
Speaker 2: just kind of less people kind of get in the action,
Speaker 2: kind of like if they're watching sports or betting sports
Speaker 2: or something like that. Right, But in a lot of
Speaker 2: the cases that they find a good horse, they're going
Speaker 2: to be making. I mean, you know, i'd like to
Speaker 2: think in my case, the markup I put on there.
Speaker 2: I think they're probably going to be making money over
Speaker 2: the long term, so I think it's going to be
Speaker 2: a win win for both parties and poker's Sake's amazing.
Speaker 2: They don't charge anything on either side, at least at
Speaker 2: this point, so it's pretty pretty cool.
Speaker 1: How do you how do you decide on markup? Does
Speaker 1: it take you long to figure it out?
Speaker 2: I kind of just decide what I. I give an
Speaker 2: estimate of what I think my ROI will be, and
Speaker 2: then I, you know, take some portion off that. So
Speaker 2: ideally they get some of the ROI and I get
Speaker 2: some of the ROI, and then return I give up
Speaker 2: some of the ROI, but in return I get lower variants.
Speaker 1: You've got six bracelets you want? I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: even know how many PGT and high roller events and
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. You've got a circuit ring,
Speaker 1: all this sort of stuff. World Poker Tour title. Is
Speaker 1: that like something you want to achieve in your career?
Speaker 2: Is that? You know?
Speaker 1: Do you think of it like that way? Like I
Speaker 1: have all these titles, but I don't have this one
Speaker 1: over here, so maybe I want to go after it
Speaker 1: a little bit harder.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So WPT and Triton, those would be two great
Speaker 2: or an EPT main. The problem is the wpts are
Speaker 2: just super hard to win that they only have how
Speaker 2: many main events a year because they have a lot
Speaker 2: of you know, it's just like the main event, So
Speaker 2: you have like ten chances a year, fifteen chances a
Speaker 2: year to win any WPT main. I'm much more likely
Speaker 2: to win a Triton first, I think, and an APT
Speaker 2: would be possible, I guess small like a side of
Speaker 2: any PT, but never the you know, a main or
Speaker 2: anything like that. So yeah, it'd be cool, but I'm
Speaker 2: not going to every WPT just to try to win one,
Speaker 2: you know, so it's not It's not that high in
Speaker 2: my book. I love the WPT by the way. I
Speaker 2: think they are a great brand, one of the best
Speaker 2: friends and poker and I've watched them for a really
Speaker 2: long time, back when they're on the Travel Channel, just
Speaker 2: like the direction that they've gone with the company, and
Speaker 2: I think they're just a very respectable.
Speaker 1: I completely agree. I'm a big fan myself. We recently
Speaker 1: saw Patrick Antonia's get into the Hall of Fame. You
Speaker 1: were on the list of finalists in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: but not this year. But like big picture, you know,
Speaker 1: do you want to get into the Hall of Fame someday?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. I think it'd be would be cool.
Speaker 2: I was kind of taken off guard when I was
Speaker 2: suddenly on the list last year because I think a
Speaker 2: Hall of famers, I think these older guys and things,
Speaker 2: but you know, I'm not so young myself these days,
Speaker 2: forty four. But maybe I was a little preemptive to
Speaker 2: get on there. But my friend Eric Baldin kind of
Speaker 2: just threw it out there on Twitter, and apparently that's
Speaker 2: why I didn't get on this year. I don't know
Speaker 2: about this nomination process they have, but someone needs to
Speaker 2: kind of nominate you publicly. I don't know if like
Speaker 2: Twitter is the platform to do that, it's or what.
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem that clear to me. So I was
Speaker 2: pretty shocked when I wasn't on the list this year
Speaker 2: because I thought I would be one of the you know,
Speaker 2: possibly get in there. But after Antonius is on there,
Speaker 2: I think he is very deserving and should have I
Speaker 2: don't know, it's hard to compare you know, the industry
Speaker 2: poker people and the poker players, so I don't know
Speaker 2: where to go with all that, and Also, I don't
Speaker 2: know some of these old school people who are on there,
Speaker 2: but I do know that Antonio's is a legend and
Speaker 2: to one hundred percent at some point being Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's crushed the highest stakes for a long time.
Speaker 2: So I thought it was very well deserved. And it's
Speaker 2: cool to see someone who doesn't have a lot of
Speaker 2: wsop success because sometimes it feels like the Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame is very wsop us friendly. So I thought it
Speaker 2: was cool that someone who isn't from that you know
Speaker 2: group of people was got the award.
Speaker 1: This story, I guess a little bit different than you
Speaker 1: know you're possibly wanting to get into the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: is you know, how how would you want people to
Speaker 1: remember the poker career of Jeremy Osmas, you know, let's
Speaker 1: say forty years down the road when things are all
Speaker 1: said and done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good question. First and foremost, like a lot of winning, right,
Speaker 2: That's that's my main goal in poker, but also going
Speaker 2: about it ethically always, you know, being composed and never
Speaker 2: having big big bones. I thick people and fights them
Speaker 2: all over Twitter and things like that. Not the way
Speaker 2: I'd like to be remembered. So I do a pretty
Speaker 2: good job of saying out of all that. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: just kind of controversy for you. Just a guy who
Speaker 2: came in and got along with people and was enjoyable
Speaker 2: to be around, and joined the company of the tablemates
Speaker 2: and just had a long, successful career.
Speaker 1: You recently shared a story on Twitter about your cousin's daughter,
Speaker 1: Emily Osmas, being the youngest member of the US Olympic
Speaker 1: water polo team. She's only eighteen years old, but she
Speaker 1: made it to the world's biggest stage and competed at
Speaker 1: the Olympics. I'm sure there's probably some close friends, some
Speaker 1: family members of yours that might look at you kind
Speaker 1: of in a similar light because you're the big poker
Speaker 1: player on a lot of the biggest stages, playing for
Speaker 1: tons of money. But now you're like on the other
Speaker 1: side watching Emily compete for an Olympic medal. Possibly, I mean,
Speaker 1: what was that experience like watching her go through it
Speaker 1: all and doing so at such a young age.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so cool, man, I was I've just
Speaker 2: been so beyond excited for like, my kids play sports,
Speaker 2: and it's it's there's nothing better than watching your kids
Speaker 2: play sports. But this is my cousin who grew up
Speaker 2: next to me for a number of years and I'm
Speaker 2: close with lives in California now and his Yeah, both
Speaker 2: of his kids are just like elite water polo players
Speaker 2: fool right, And they both went to USC but they
Speaker 2: could have gone anywhere they wanted to believe anything like that.
Speaker 2: And and the daughter, who's the younger the two, is
Speaker 2: just a complete phenom and and made it into the Olympics.
Speaker 2: So we were sure to watch every game and learned
Speaker 2: a lot about water polo and it was really really
Speaker 2: cool to go watch and learn about it. We watched
Speaker 2: the game of Theirs when they came to Vegas a
Speaker 2: few years back, and so, yeah, it was fun. I
Speaker 2: was texting a lot with my cousin who was there
Speaker 2: watching and fom on TV and the stands and things
Speaker 2: like that. So hopefully if she's she took her first
Speaker 2: year off of college just to train for the Olympics
Speaker 2: and they take thirteen people and she didn't know, you know,
Speaker 2: she's kind of she's the youngest, so she didn't know
Speaker 2: if she's like, maybe gonna make it, maybe not. They
Speaker 2: cut the team down from sixteen to thirteen. I think,
Speaker 2: so she trains for like almost an entire year and
Speaker 2: skips her first year of college, and then she maybe
Speaker 2: doesn't even doesn't know until like a month before, three
Speaker 2: weeks before the Olympics if she makes the team or not.
Speaker 2: It was pretty insane. That's why I can't Yeah, I
Speaker 2: can't imagine how stressful that's going to be for the parents. Anyways,
Speaker 2: if she continues on this path of water pool of dominance.
Speaker 2: I believe the twenty twenty eight Olympics are in la
Speaker 2: and we will definitely be going out there and watching her.
Speaker 2: We wanted to go this year, but we just we
Speaker 2: couldn't make it happen obligation, other things going on. But
Speaker 2: then super stoked that she is still at the top
Speaker 2: like this to go watch her and been to it
Speaker 2: in the Olympics anywhere, so that'd be a lot of.
Speaker 1: Fun, awesome. Well that's all I have for you, sir.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking the time and wish you the
Speaker 1: best of luck over in Europe and joy Cyprus. I've
Speaker 1: been there one time myself, not to this specific property
Speaker 1: that you're going to. I went to a different merit property,
Speaker 1: but it was awesome a lot of fun there, So
Speaker 1: Hope you have a good time, hope you win a
Speaker 1: boatload of money, and maybe we'll get a winner's interview
Speaker 1: after it's all said and done.
Speaker 2: Sweet, Yes, let's do that.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, Bun, all right, everyone that was
Speaker 1: Jeremy Osmas can't thank Jeremy enough for taking the time
Speaker 1: to chat about a variety of topics. And maybe, just
Speaker 1: maybe you'll be hearing him back on this podcast sooner
Speaker 1: rather than later if he can find himself to the
Speaker 1: winner circle over in Cyprus, and then maybe we'll be
Speaker 1: able to grab him for a winners interview. As a reminder,
Speaker 1: the Super High Roller Series and Super High Roller Bowl
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Speaker 1: Commentary by Jeff Platt and Brent Hanks. I'm very excited
Speaker 1: for this event. I think it's gonna be massive. I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be huge. Can't wait to see the
Speaker 1: play from Cyprus from Merit from the new Onyx Club
Speaker 1: that they are debuting over there, and that's gonna do
Speaker 1: it for me. That's gonna do it for this episode.
Speaker 1: Thanks everyone for tuning in, Take care, and we'll talk
Speaker 1: to you next time. Jennie