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I'm Kat, 11 00:00:39.479 --> 00:00:42.679 mother of three and founder of Ritual. When I was 12 00:00:42.759 --> 00:00:45.600 four months pregnant, I couldn't find a prenatal I could trust, 13 00:00:45.920 --> 00:00:49.320 so created my own. Ours is made traceable, third party 14 00:00:49.359 --> 00:00:52.759 tested for heavy metals, and recently earned the Purity Award 15 00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:55.719 from the Clean Label Project. But don't just take my 16 00:00:55.759 --> 00:00:58.320 word for it. Get twenty five percent off at ritual 17 00:00:58.320 --> 00:00:58.759 dot com. 18 00:00:58.880 --> 00:01:03.719 Slash podcast It's Night Side with Dan Ray w b 19 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:06.799 Z Costin's video. 20 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:12.079 Delighted to welcome Congressman Seth Moulton, Congress and Moulton Democrat 21 00:01:12.079 --> 00:01:17.280 from Massachusetts, now in his sixth term in office. Seth Moulton, 22 00:01:17.359 --> 00:01:18.959 Welcome back to Nightside. How are you, sir. 23 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:21.680 I'm good, always good to be with you, Dan. Thanks 24 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:22.120 for having me. 25 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:25.879 My pleasure. For those of you who do not live 26 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:30.000 in Congressman's district, He's a graduate of Harvard. While at Harvard, 27 00:01:30.120 --> 00:01:33.519 I was a member of the ROTC and served several 28 00:01:33.560 --> 00:01:38.079 tours in Iraq and Afghanistan when the fighting was the toughest, 29 00:01:38.079 --> 00:01:40.400 and has been now in Congress, as they said, beginning 30 00:01:40.439 --> 00:01:43.480 his sixth term, and has always sort of marched to 31 00:01:43.519 --> 00:01:46.319 the beat of a different drummer, I would say, and 32 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:49.560 I made some comments a week or so ago, but 33 00:01:49.879 --> 00:01:53.480 I think if anyone knows Seth Moulton's background, he ran 34 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:58.439 against an incumbent Democrat, John Tierney and defeated him, which 35 00:01:58.519 --> 00:02:01.760 did not sit well with the the powers that be 36 00:02:02.159 --> 00:02:06.120 in Massachusetts, and then at one point had suggested that 37 00:02:06.239 --> 00:02:08.599 maybe it might have been time for Nancy Pelosi to 38 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:12.240 surrender the speakership. That did make did not make him 39 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:18.039 a big fan of in the Speaker's office. And as 40 00:02:18.039 --> 00:02:21.080 I say, last week or so ago, in the wake 41 00:02:21.120 --> 00:02:24.599 of the election results, said that his party needed to 42 00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:30.719 maybe reprioritize some of the items that they were talking about. 43 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:34.080 You you got some pushback, But let's talk about the 44 00:02:34.639 --> 00:02:38.639 general situation of the Democratic Party. Democratic Party had some 45 00:02:39.199 --> 00:02:42.159 This was a tough election across the country amongst a 46 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:47.280 lot of voting groups that oftentimes support Democrats. What what 47 00:02:47.439 --> 00:02:50.319 generally does the party have to do here to correct 48 00:02:50.759 --> 00:02:51.319 its course? 49 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:55.360 In your opinion, well, I mean think I think fundamentally 50 00:02:55.759 --> 00:02:58.599 we're clearly out of touch with the majority of Americas. 51 00:02:58.599 --> 00:03:01.319 I mean, that's kind of the definition of getting wiped 52 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:05.080 out in an election like we did. And you know, 53 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:08.319 there are a couple of diagnoses there. But first of all, 54 00:03:08.319 --> 00:03:10.000 we just got to start by looking ourselves in the 55 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:13.319 mirror saying, okay, we got to make some changes here. 56 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:16.919 And I personally think that one of those fundamental changes 57 00:03:17.400 --> 00:03:20.240 is we've got to listen to more Americans rather than 58 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:23.120 preaching to them. We can be a very preachy party. 59 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:25.960 You know, we know what's right, and if you don't 60 00:03:25.960 --> 00:03:31.000 agree with us one hundred percent absolutely our position, then 61 00:03:31.400 --> 00:03:34.319 not only are you wrong, but you're almost a bad person. 62 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:37.280 At least that's the impression that I think a lot 63 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:39.919 of people get. I've talked to a lot of voters 64 00:03:40.479 --> 00:03:43.360 who say, yeah, okay, you can talk me through the policies. 65 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:46.759 I agree your economic policy probably makes more sense. Trump's 66 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:50.599 going to raise inflation. I agree your border policy is 67 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:54.039 more bipartisan and more humane. But we don't trust you 68 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:56.319 on these things because you just don't seem to be 69 00:03:56.360 --> 00:03:58.000 able to relate to us. 70 00:03:59.599 --> 00:04:05.199 I think that is going with exactly what happened to me. 71 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:07.840 It was it was stunning that Donald Trump, with all 72 00:04:07.879 --> 00:04:11.479 of his baggage, was able to not only win the 73 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:15.120 Republican nomination, but then be re elected president for the 74 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:18.199 first time since Grover Cleveland turned that trick back. And 75 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:23.519 I think the eighteen nineties, what where do they have? 76 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:27.000 Where do they have to go? You know, there's there 77 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:29.839 are differences between the parties. Are there are differences on 78 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:32.279 the economy, There are differences on war and peace. There 79 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:35.079 are differences, and a lot of those ticket, big ticket 80 00:04:35.120 --> 00:04:37.759 items are very big important items. But it seems as 81 00:04:37.759 --> 00:04:42.120 if the Republicans and the Democrats were focused on some 82 00:04:42.199 --> 00:04:47.120 of the more cultural issues. Maybe with it with it, 83 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:50.040 with the difference is more definitive, but it worked to 84 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:52.759 the Republican's advantage. I assume you would agree with that. 85 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:54.319 I do. 86 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:56.879 I do. I said the day after, the morning after 87 00:04:56.920 --> 00:04:59.839 the election, when we got on the morning call with 88 00:04:59.879 --> 00:05:02.680 my team and they asked my opinion, I said, this 89 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:07.279 felt like a cultural election, like there's a cultural mispatch, 90 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:11.680 and like it or not, Americans said, you know, we 91 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:14.839 feel like the Republicans are a better fit. And in 92 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:18.439 many times, in many cases they said that despite this 93 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:23.000 fact that Trump was not a great candidate, I mean, 94 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:26.759 which of course is an understatement, these convict the criminal. 95 00:05:27.319 --> 00:05:29.279 I mean, this is the other thing I have to say, Dan, 96 00:05:29.439 --> 00:05:32.040 is that when you're running against the party that's kind 97 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:34.199 of going through a civil war, you know, between the 98 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:37.399 Trump folks and the traditional Republicans, and they've got this 99 00:05:37.480 --> 00:05:42.000 guy at the top of the ticket who's who's literally 100 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:44.560 been convicted in the court of law. The Democrats should 101 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:46.120 have been able to clean up. I mean, this should 102 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:48.240 have been easy for Democrats. 103 00:05:48.279 --> 00:05:52.240 And yet the Democrats rather the Republicans, countered on that. 104 00:05:52.279 --> 00:05:55.600 And I'd be interested in your reaction. They basically turned 105 00:05:56.279 --> 00:06:00.639 the prosecutions of Trump, I think, to their advantage, arguing 106 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:05.560 that this was law fear and that Donald Trump hadn't 107 00:06:05.639 --> 00:06:08.839 done anything wrong, but the Democrats were trying to destroy 108 00:06:08.920 --> 00:06:13.360 him legally. Was it a mistake for that many jurisdictions. 109 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:16.959 It almost looked like appiling on penalty to many people 110 00:06:16.959 --> 00:06:20.120 in this country. I think am I missing something there? 111 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:24.480 Did you know A twenty eighteen studies showed half of 112 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:29.920 prenatal vitamins tested had unacceptable levels of heavy metals. I'm Kat, 113 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:33.360 mother of three and founder of Ritual. When I was 114 00:06:33.399 --> 00:06:36.240 four months pregnant, I couldn't find a prenatal I could trust, 115 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:39.959 so I created my own Ours is made traceable, third party, 116 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:43.399 tested for heavy metals, and recently earned the Purity Award 117 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:46.360 from the Clean Label Project. But don't just take my 118 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:48.959 word for it. Get twenty five percent off at ritual 119 00:06:48.959 --> 00:06:50.519 dot com slash podcast. 120 00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:53.800 Well, no, you're not missing anything about the attack. I mean, 121 00:06:53.800 --> 00:06:57.759 it's the ultimate and hypocrisy because Trump, of course has 122 00:06:57.839 --> 00:07:01.959 literally promised to go after his political enemies using the 123 00:07:02.040 --> 00:07:06.120 legal system, something that is so fundamentally Unamerican. I don't 124 00:07:06.120 --> 00:07:08.160 think there's a president in history who said that he 125 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:11.600 will go after his political opponents with the legal system. 126 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:13.720 That's what they do in Banana Republics, you know, that's 127 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:19.040 what they do in China, but Soviet Union, so I mean, 128 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:23.000 I think Democrats unfortunately just sort of dismissed this attack 129 00:07:23.079 --> 00:07:26.959 as ridiculous. But it worked. And in some cases with 130 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:29.759 other issues, we just didn't even respond to the attacks, 131 00:07:29.839 --> 00:07:32.000 you know, we just said, oh, that's you know, beneath us, 132 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:34.519 or that's not what people care about. But people were 133 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:37.199 paying attention. And you've got to give it to the 134 00:07:37.240 --> 00:07:39.399 Republicans and to Trump and his team for running a 135 00:07:39.519 --> 00:07:40.639 very effective campaign. 136 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:46.959 He also made it. In fairness, Trump and his team 137 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:51.600 didn't win any much in Massachusetts. Really. There were a 138 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:55.279 couple of legislative races, but obviously all the members of 139 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:58.600 the delegation who stood, the nine members who stood for 140 00:07:58.680 --> 00:08:03.560 re election over into office, including yourself. But he made 141 00:08:04.199 --> 00:08:07.639 he made some in roads, and some of the other candidates, 142 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:13.360 the Senate candidate against Senator Warren did better this time 143 00:08:14.199 --> 00:08:19.120 than the Senate candidate did a few years ago. Is 144 00:08:19.160 --> 00:08:22.319 that something to be concerned about? From that the party 145 00:08:22.360 --> 00:08:24.680 should be looking at and saying, if this is going 146 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:30.160 on in Massachusetts, it may be going on in states 147 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:35.120 I don't know, like a Minnesota where maybe the Republicans 148 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:39.440 could could get a real a toe hold in some 149 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:41.879 states that they're they're kind of off the board right now. 150 00:08:42.879 --> 00:08:47.840 Absolutely absolutely we should look at that as the party nationally, 151 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:51.360 but frankly the Massachusetts Democratic Party should look at that 152 00:08:51.440 --> 00:08:55.720 right here at home. I saw statistic, and don't quote 153 00:08:55.759 --> 00:08:58.000 me on this, I think I've got it right, but 154 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:04.240 that Trump increased his Vogue share in Massachusetts more than 155 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:07.679 in any other state in the Union extept one. So 156 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:09.840 he went up like eight points or something like that. 157 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:12.159 Maybe I don't have it exactly right, but the point 158 00:09:12.200 --> 00:09:15.120 is he gained a lot of ground in Massachusetts. Not 159 00:09:15.320 --> 00:09:17.639 enough to put him over the top, for sure, but 160 00:09:18.360 --> 00:09:21.600 we really got to pay attention to that and say, cheez, 161 00:09:21.600 --> 00:09:24.679 are we losing touch? Because it certainly feels to me 162 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:27.360 like we are, And yet a lot of Democrats are 163 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:30.919 just unwilling to have that discussion. I've sat through a 164 00:09:30.919 --> 00:09:35.159 couple meetings now where Democrats literally are just going around saying, hey, 165 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:38.759 wasn't that bad. You know, Harris didn't do that great, 166 00:09:38.799 --> 00:09:40.679 but we did better in the House or whatever. I mean. 167 00:09:40.720 --> 00:09:44.639 Trying to spin this as a win is really stretching 168 00:09:44.639 --> 00:09:48.120 the imagination, and it just shows how some Democrats are 169 00:09:48.159 --> 00:09:51.320 just unwilling to face reality and recognize that we need 170 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:52.120 to make some changes. 171 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:56.039 My guest is Congressman Seth Moulton the sixth Congressional District 172 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:59.519 here in Massachusetts. Will continue our conversation with Congressman Moulton. 173 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:03.039 He will be with us until about nine twenty eight 174 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:05.919 and I want to talk to him a little bit 175 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:09.360 about the conversations that now are going on within the 176 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:12.039 leadership of the Democratic Party and maybe it's time for 177 00:10:12.159 --> 00:10:15.519 some of a shakeup of leadership. I'd like to touch 178 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:17.639 upon some of that when we get back. Seth Moulton's 179 00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:19.200 thank you very much for being with us. We'll be 180 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:20.320 back in about three minutes. 181 00:10:21.639 --> 00:10:24.600 Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World, 182 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:28.200 Nice Side Studios. I'm WBSY News Radio. 183 00:10:29.600 --> 00:10:32.799 We are fortunate to be joined by Congressman Seth Moulton 184 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:38.159 of Massachusetts, the sixth Congressional District. You talked earlier this 185 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:42.399 month as a dad about your daughters on an athletic field. 186 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:45.720 I think everyone knows what you said, and you spoke 187 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:50.320 as a dad. Which of two girls? Were you surprised 188 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:53.799 by the invective that was directed at you by members 189 00:10:53.840 --> 00:10:56.559 of your party. I think you referred to it almost 190 00:10:56.600 --> 00:10:58.039 as a purity test. 191 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:03.480 I mean, in some ways, then I wasn't surprised, because 192 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:05.879 this is exactly the point I was trying to make. 193 00:11:06.519 --> 00:11:09.919 It's that you can't just speak authentically about certain things 194 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:13.720 as a Democratic party because they're considered off limits. And 195 00:11:14.360 --> 00:11:16.440 the big problem for us is that these are things 196 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:20.360 that other people are talking about, including Trump and millions 197 00:11:20.360 --> 00:11:24.080 of dollars worth of ads in this election. So you know, 198 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:29.080 he was attacking trans people and we couldn't even talk 199 00:11:29.120 --> 00:11:31.360 about it and have a reasonable response and just say, 200 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:36.080 you know, here's a reasonable policy or whatever it is. 201 00:11:36.919 --> 00:11:42.320 And that's silence. I think it's politically stupid. It allows 202 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:45.200 the other side to set the terms of the debate, 203 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:49.200 and it ultimately hurts some of the people that the 204 00:11:49.279 --> 00:11:52.960 Democrats are actually trying to stand up for. So that's 205 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:55.120 the problem. I was using this as an example of 206 00:11:55.159 --> 00:12:00.679 the cancel culture that's become rampant in society these days, 207 00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:04.480 in college campuses and within the Democratic Party, the fact 208 00:12:04.519 --> 00:12:08.279 that we can't even debate certain issues. So I guess 209 00:12:08.279 --> 00:12:11.399 maybe I was surprised that they went so far. Some 210 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:13.919 of the crazy things people have said on the Internet 211 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:18.879 and in interviews about me is certainly extreme, but in 212 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:21.399 some ways I wasn't surprised at all that I was 213 00:12:21.440 --> 00:12:22.600 going to get some backlass. 214 00:12:23.240 --> 00:12:26.360 Well, a lot of the keyboard warriors, they will say 215 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:28.799 stuff on the Internet that they wouldn't dare say to 216 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:32.080 someone face to face, but they have the anonymity and 217 00:12:32.120 --> 00:12:34.799 the protection of the Internet, so they can they can 218 00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:37.519 do what whatever they want. You know, if I look 219 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:43.200 back in my lifetime, the two most successful Democratic presidents 220 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:46.159 that I can think of, well, Bill Clinton, who had 221 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:49.600 his own problems, but he was smart enough, very smart 222 00:12:49.639 --> 00:12:53.919 and worked with Republicans on the economy, worked with Nuke Ankridge. 223 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:58.840 And President Obama, who used to, you know, emphasize that 224 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:01.080 we're not the red state, the blue states. Where the 225 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:04.519 United States of America, you know that term you've served 226 00:13:04.600 --> 00:13:09.279 under him. And President Obama deported a lot of people 227 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:12.200 who should not have been here and was called by 228 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:15.360 some people actually the deporter in chief. So I look 229 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:18.840 at those two examples and I think, how far, how 230 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:23.679 far has the Democratic Party gone? Would Bill Clinton or 231 00:13:23.720 --> 00:13:29.039 Barack Obama be tolerated within some wings of the far 232 00:13:29.159 --> 00:13:33.000 progressive wing of the Democratic Party. So how do you think, 233 00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:35.759 you know, policies that Bill Clinton espoused, that the Barack 234 00:13:35.799 --> 00:13:40.559 Obama espoused would be perceived by would be welcomed, are 235 00:13:40.600 --> 00:13:44.159 not welcomed by a lot of Democrats on the front, honestly. 236 00:13:45.080 --> 00:13:48.039 Honestly, Dan, I'm not sure they wouldn't be canceled as well. 237 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:51.200 I mean, remember, Barack Obama came into office opposed to 238 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:54.120 gay marriage, something that I'm very proud to support, and 239 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:56.759 we led the nation in Massachusetts is saying, you know, 240 00:13:56.840 --> 00:13:58.480 it's none of our business as a government who you 241 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:04.720 want to love, and so you know, in frankly, I 242 00:14:04.720 --> 00:14:08.120 don't know that they would feel you know, they would 243 00:14:08.120 --> 00:14:09.480 have gotten I guess the point is they would have 244 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:11.600 gotten some of the same backlash too. And someone like 245 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:13.559 John F. Kennedy, I mean, my gosh, if you look 246 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:16.759 at some of his policies, a lot of people in 247 00:14:17.399 --> 00:14:19.799 my party would have just called them a Republican. 248 00:14:19.720 --> 00:14:23.039 Yeah, and maybe a right wing Republican tiboot. I mean, 249 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:27.159 I remember, I was young enough to remember the big 250 00:14:27.200 --> 00:14:30.080 issues of the Kennedy Nixon campaign. I'm sure you as 251 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:32.559 a historian remember, but you weren't born at that point. 252 00:14:32.840 --> 00:14:36.399 With the islands of Cumoya and matt Sue, two islands 253 00:14:36.399 --> 00:14:39.240 off the coast of China, and whether or not then 254 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:41.759 the Red Chinese were able to stay there, or whether 255 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:45.679 the nationalist Chinese the Taiwanese could take those islands back. 256 00:14:47.200 --> 00:14:49.039 So look, you know, in some ways, we've come a 257 00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:51.320 long way as a party, and that's progress that we 258 00:14:51.360 --> 00:14:54.679 should be proud of. But the problem is that we've 259 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:57.919 preached tolerance for so long, We've worked so hard at 260 00:14:57.960 --> 00:15:01.759 tolerance that we've actually become intolerant. And you can't win 261 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:05.879 elections if you don't represent the majority of Americans. It 262 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:06.720 just doesn't work. 263 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:10.480 Yeah, and you don't have to compromise your principles in 264 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:12.679 order to represent the majority of Americans. 265 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:15.039 In my opinion, that's right. I mean, I wasn't even 266 00:15:15.039 --> 00:15:17.480 telling us to change our policy thing about this, Dan, 267 00:15:17.679 --> 00:15:19.840 I was just saying, let's have a debate about it, 268 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:22.240 you know, let's just be willing to talk about it. 269 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:25.840 And it's kind of shocking that that is so difficult 270 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:28.399 for us right now. But look, that's why I'm forcing 271 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:30.799 the conversation. And I got to tell you there are 272 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:33.320 a lot of Democrats who are hearing this, you know, sure, 273 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:35.480 there are a lot of independents, even Republicans who've reached 274 00:15:35.480 --> 00:15:37.360 out to me and said, yeah, you know, that's that's 275 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:39.399 why we didn't vote for you, or that's the problem. 276 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:43.720 But mostly I've been hearing from fellow Democrats who said, yes, Seth, 277 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:45.720 this is what we need to do. We just need 278 00:15:45.759 --> 00:15:47.759 to be willing to take on these tough issues, to 279 00:15:47.799 --> 00:15:50.519 have a debate, to understand what we need to change, 280 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:52.799 to come up with a winning strategy, because we clearly 281 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:56.879 didn't have one last week. So the reaction has been 282 00:15:57.320 --> 00:16:01.039 very positive across the board by a large even though 283 00:16:01.080 --> 00:16:05.039 there's these loud voices on the internet from the extremes. 284 00:16:05.480 --> 00:16:08.120 And I've also had some really good conversations with leadership. 285 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:11.240 You mentioned democratic leadership. I had a long conversation with 286 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:15.720 the Keem Jefferies several days ago, and look, he agrees 287 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:17.759 with me, we have to have these tough conversations, and 288 00:16:17.799 --> 00:16:19.360 I think he's going to be part of helping to 289 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:19.759 lead that. 290 00:16:21.080 --> 00:16:24.080 Well, I would. You've been there a while and at 291 00:16:24.080 --> 00:16:27.720 some point I suspect you're going to find yourself in leadership. 292 00:16:28.200 --> 00:16:32.360 I think that I think you're on a on a 293 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:35.559 path that's going to be good for the Democratic Party, 294 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:38.919 the Republicans. I'm sure you saw some of the cabinet 295 00:16:39.639 --> 00:16:43.919 choices that President Obama rather President Trump has just announced, 296 00:16:43.919 --> 00:16:46.960 including Matt Gates, which to me is a I have 297 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:48.679 no idea what's going on with that one. 298 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:55.879 He's just insane. He's just insane, Mackie, they're nominating him 299 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:58.200 to be the chief law enforcement officer in the country. 300 00:16:58.320 --> 00:17:02.799 I mean, he's under ethic investigations, sexual misconduct. Uh, he 301 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:08.160 literally trafficking girls. Uh, he has been under criminal investigation. 302 00:17:09.279 --> 00:17:11.720 I mean, it's just it's it's just unbelievable. 303 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:17.559 It's like, uh, well, the string that the thing that 304 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:19.920 the only theory that I kind of that I can 305 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:24.920 think is that, uh that Gates has agreed to be 306 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:27.599 sort of a sacrificial lamb, and that all the focus 307 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:30.400 is going to be on Gates and some of the 308 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:33.200 other The focus would be so intense on Gates that 309 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:37.359 some of the other nominees will will. 310 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:38.640 Not be in the line of fire, if you get 311 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:40.720 my drift. I don't know if you think that's reasonable 312 00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:43.720 or not, but I think maybe, Yeah. 313 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:47.200 I was a veteran's fundraiser tonight and in Washington, and 314 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:49.759 there's a lot of concern a lot of people asking 315 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:53.799 questions about the nominee for Secretary of Defense, Pete Hexas, 316 00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:58.000 and and and in some ways that's that's exactly right. 317 00:17:58.039 --> 00:17:59.559 In fact, that's what I told some people, is that 318 00:17:59.599 --> 00:18:01.519 a few ago it looked like he might not make 319 00:18:01.559 --> 00:18:05.960 it through very thin resume a history of politicizing the military, 320 00:18:05.960 --> 00:18:09.519 which is another just very Unamerican thing to do. And 321 00:18:09.599 --> 00:18:12.839 yet no one's talking about him right now because all 322 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:16.319 the focuses on Gates. So you might be right. I 323 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:20.400 think one of the things about Donald Trump is, you know, 324 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:22.799 I have a lot of problems with his basic principles 325 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:25.079 and values, as I know many other Americans do too. 326 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:29.720 But he's not inty it. He's calculating, and he's a 327 00:18:29.720 --> 00:18:33.640 pretty savvy politician, so there's usually some rhyme and reason 328 00:18:33.680 --> 00:18:34.559 behind what he's doing. 329 00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:37.799 Where do you think it goes from here? I assume 330 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:41.559 you're not about to back off and basically go along 331 00:18:41.599 --> 00:18:44.000 with the crowd. Do you think there's a place for 332 00:18:44.079 --> 00:18:46.960 you to stay in the in the Democratic Party and 333 00:18:47.480 --> 00:18:51.400 become a voice, even a more effective voice for the 334 00:18:51.440 --> 00:18:54.319 party nationally. I'm not suggesting that you're going to run 335 00:18:54.359 --> 00:18:57.119 for president or do anything like that right away. But 336 00:18:57.200 --> 00:19:00.319 I'm just wondering that this is not discouraged you. Knowing 337 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:02.920 you as I think I do, it probably has encouraged you. 338 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:06.799 Well, that's exactly right. You know, Marines aren't that good 339 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:10.039 at retreating to them. And I have no intention of 340 00:19:10.359 --> 00:19:14.599 backing off, backing off from my fundamental point here, which is, 341 00:19:14.839 --> 00:19:17.240 we got to be willing to have debates. We got 342 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:19.119 to be willing to talk about these things. We've got 343 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:21.920 to be willing to fix ourselves. That's what we need 344 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:24.799 to start doing in a Democratic party. And if we 345 00:19:24.880 --> 00:19:27.039 do that, we've got a bright future. And I think 346 00:19:27.079 --> 00:19:30.240 that we can make a case to Americans that we 347 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:32.920 do have better plans for the economy because Trump's tariffs 348 00:19:32.920 --> 00:19:35.240 and tax cuts for the rich are going to raise 349 00:19:35.240 --> 00:19:38.119 prices for everyday Americans at the grocery store. We do 350 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:40.680 have a better plan for the border, because remember Democrats 351 00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:42.640 worked with Republicans in the Senate to come up with 352 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:46.279 a bi partisan border deal, and Trump thank it because 353 00:19:46.279 --> 00:19:48.440 he said he wanted to make it a political issue 354 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:52.200 for the election. He's playing politics with the border. We 355 00:19:52.240 --> 00:19:54.119 actually want to fix it. I know that that's not 356 00:19:54.119 --> 00:19:57.200 our reputation, but My point is we have the ingredients 357 00:19:57.240 --> 00:19:59.400 to be successful, but if we're going to do it, 358 00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:01.359 we got to and a lot more time listening to 359 00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:04.039 Americans instead of talking down to them. We got to 360 00:20:04.039 --> 00:20:07.759 spend more time out, you know, hearing from Americans all 361 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:11.000 across the country and saying what can we do for you? 362 00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:13.920 Not how can you conform to the Democratic Party? 363 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:19.480 Well, again, I thank you for the time tonight. We've 364 00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:22.839 followed it pretty closely. As they say, I think that 365 00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:27.160 you're on the right side here, that you need to 366 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:31.960 have different voices in the party and all those voices 367 00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:35.640 need to be heard so that the American people understand 368 00:20:35.720 --> 00:20:38.599 that there's a bigger tent the Republicans. For a long time, 369 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:41.559 we're accused of having too small a tent, And believe 370 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:44.039 it or not, I think the Republicans now have increased 371 00:20:44.039 --> 00:20:45.880 their tent, or at least increased the number of people 372 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:50.079 in their tent, under the leadership of a president who 373 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:52.920 is pretty pretty controversial president. 374 00:20:53.359 --> 00:20:55.720 And we'll yeah, see that's right. They're ten is bigger 375 00:20:55.720 --> 00:20:57.359 than ours right now, and that's what we got to fix. 376 00:20:57.480 --> 00:20:58.839 So yeah, I mean, I. 377 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:02.799 The only thing I want to tell you what I 378 00:21:02.839 --> 00:21:04.759 said about the election, and I want to be honest 379 00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:07.440 with you, I'm very happy that it was a decisive result, 380 00:21:07.839 --> 00:21:09.880 because I was really fearful that we were going to 381 00:21:09.880 --> 00:21:12.799 go through another twenty twenty if it was a two 382 00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:17.079 seventy two to two sixty six, you know, electoral college split. 383 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:21.559 And I'm hoping that that it gets that it quiets 384 00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:23.960 down the next few months because I never want to 385 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:28.440 go through another post twenty twenty election again in my lifetime. 386 00:21:29.240 --> 00:21:32.359 So it was absolutely terrible for the country, and you're 387 00:21:32.359 --> 00:21:37.440 absolutely right that it was just terrible for the country. 388 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:40.119 I mean, the reality is that if Trump had just 389 00:21:40.160 --> 00:21:44.079 barely last lost in this election, he was going to 390 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:48.119 pull those Shenanigans again again, something that's not happened, you know. 391 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:50.960 That's that's that's not the tradition in America. The tradition 392 00:21:51.079 --> 00:21:54.400 is the peaceful transfer of power. And regardless of what 393 00:21:54.440 --> 00:21:58.480 the result is next time, whether it's close or decisive, 394 00:21:58.599 --> 00:22:01.680 or whether it's a Republican Ormocrat on top, we've got 395 00:22:01.680 --> 00:22:06.079 to remember our fundamental values as democracy that the voters 396 00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:10.039 have to say and it's not up to the president 397 00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:12.880 or anyone else to change, you know, to try to 398 00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:16.160 try to change their minds or change the results. Those 399 00:22:16.200 --> 00:22:18.359 are some of the fundamental American values that I think 400 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:20.680 we're losing touch with and we have over the last 401 00:22:20.680 --> 00:22:24.519