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Speaker 4: Delighted to welcome Congressman Seth Moulton, Congress and Moulton Democrat
Speaker 4: from Massachusetts, now in his sixth term in office. Seth Moulton,
Speaker 4: Welcome back to Nightside. How are you, sir.
Speaker 3: I'm good, always good to be with you, Dan. Thanks
Speaker 3: for having me.
Speaker 4: My pleasure. For those of you who do not live
Speaker 4: in Congressman's district, He's a graduate of Harvard. While at Harvard,
Speaker 4: I was a member of the ROTC and served several
Speaker 4: tours in Iraq and Afghanistan when the fighting was the toughest,
Speaker 4: and has been now in Congress, as they said, beginning
Speaker 4: his sixth term, and has always sort of marched to
Speaker 4: the beat of a different drummer, I would say, and
Speaker 4: I made some comments a week or so ago, but
Speaker 4: I think if anyone knows Seth Moulton's background, he ran
Speaker 4: against an incumbent Democrat, John Tierney and defeated him, which
Speaker 4: did not sit well with the the powers that be
Speaker 4: in Massachusetts, and then at one point had suggested that
Speaker 4: maybe it might have been time for Nancy Pelosi to
Speaker 4: surrender the speakership. That did make did not make him
Speaker 4: a big fan of in the Speaker's office. And as
Speaker 4: I say, last week or so ago, in the wake
Speaker 4: of the election results, said that his party needed to
Speaker 4: maybe reprioritize some of the items that they were talking about.
Speaker 4: You you got some pushback, But let's talk about the
Speaker 4: general situation of the Democratic Party. Democratic Party had some
Speaker 4: This was a tough election across the country amongst a
Speaker 4: lot of voting groups that oftentimes support Democrats. What what
Speaker 4: generally does the party have to do here to correct
Speaker 4: its course?
Speaker 3: In your opinion, well, I mean think I think fundamentally
Speaker 3: we're clearly out of touch with the majority of Americas.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's kind of the definition of getting wiped
Speaker 3: out in an election like we did. And you know,
Speaker 3: there are a couple of diagnoses there. But first of all,
Speaker 3: we just got to start by looking ourselves in the
Speaker 3: mirror saying, okay, we got to make some changes here.
Speaker 3: And I personally think that one of those fundamental changes
Speaker 3: is we've got to listen to more Americans rather than
Speaker 3: preaching to them. We can be a very preachy party.
Speaker 3: You know, we know what's right, and if you don't
Speaker 3: agree with us one hundred percent absolutely our position, then
Speaker 3: not only are you wrong, but you're almost a bad person.
Speaker 3: At least that's the impression that I think a lot
Speaker 3: of people get. I've talked to a lot of voters
Speaker 3: who say, yeah, okay, you can talk me through the policies.
Speaker 3: I agree your economic policy probably makes more sense. Trump's
Speaker 3: going to raise inflation. I agree your border policy is
Speaker 3: more bipartisan and more humane. But we don't trust you
Speaker 3: on these things because you just don't seem to be
Speaker 3: able to relate to us.
Speaker 4: I think that is going with exactly what happened to me.
Speaker 4: It was it was stunning that Donald Trump, with all
Speaker 4: of his baggage, was able to not only win the
Speaker 4: Republican nomination, but then be re elected president for the
Speaker 4: first time since Grover Cleveland turned that trick back. And
Speaker 4: I think the eighteen nineties, what where do they have?
Speaker 4: Where do they have to go? You know, there's there
Speaker 4: are differences between the parties. Are there are differences on
Speaker 4: the economy, There are differences on war and peace. There
Speaker 4: are differences, and a lot of those ticket, big ticket
Speaker 4: items are very big important items. But it seems as
Speaker 4: if the Republicans and the Democrats were focused on some
Speaker 4: of the more cultural issues. Maybe with it with it,
Speaker 4: with the difference is more definitive, but it worked to
Speaker 4: the Republican's advantage. I assume you would agree with that.
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 3: I do. I said the day after, the morning after
Speaker 3: the election, when we got on the morning call with
Speaker 3: my team and they asked my opinion, I said, this
Speaker 3: felt like a cultural election, like there's a cultural mispatch,
Speaker 3: and like it or not, Americans said, you know, we
Speaker 3: feel like the Republicans are a better fit. And in
Speaker 3: many times, in many cases they said that despite this
Speaker 3: fact that Trump was not a great candidate, I mean,
Speaker 3: which of course is an understatement, these convict the criminal.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is the other thing I have to say, Dan,
Speaker 3: is that when you're running against the party that's kind
Speaker 3: of going through a civil war, you know, between the
Speaker 3: Trump folks and the traditional Republicans, and they've got this
Speaker 3: guy at the top of the ticket who's who's literally
Speaker 3: been convicted in the court of law. The Democrats should
Speaker 3: have been able to clean up. I mean, this should
Speaker 3: have been easy for Democrats.
Speaker 4: And yet the Democrats rather the Republicans, countered on that.
Speaker 4: And I'd be interested in your reaction. They basically turned
Speaker 4: the prosecutions of Trump, I think, to their advantage, arguing
Speaker 4: that this was law fear and that Donald Trump hadn't
Speaker 4: done anything wrong, but the Democrats were trying to destroy
Speaker 4: him legally. Was it a mistake for that many jurisdictions.
Speaker 4: It almost looked like appiling on penalty to many people
Speaker 4: in this country. I think am I missing something there?
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Speaker 3: Well, no, you're not missing anything about the attack. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's the ultimate and hypocrisy because Trump, of course has
Speaker 3: literally promised to go after his political enemies using the
Speaker 3: legal system, something that is so fundamentally Unamerican. I don't
Speaker 3: think there's a president in history who said that he
Speaker 3: will go after his political opponents with the legal system.
Speaker 3: That's what they do in Banana Republics, you know, that's
Speaker 3: what they do in China, but Soviet Union, so I mean,
Speaker 3: I think Democrats unfortunately just sort of dismissed this attack
Speaker 3: as ridiculous. But it worked. And in some cases with
Speaker 3: other issues, we just didn't even respond to the attacks,
Speaker 3: you know, we just said, oh, that's you know, beneath us,
Speaker 3: or that's not what people care about. But people were
Speaker 3: paying attention. And you've got to give it to the
Speaker 3: Republicans and to Trump and his team for running a
Speaker 3: very effective campaign.
Speaker 4: He also made it. In fairness, Trump and his team
Speaker 4: didn't win any much in Massachusetts. Really. There were a
Speaker 4: couple of legislative races, but obviously all the members of
Speaker 4: the delegation who stood, the nine members who stood for
Speaker 4: re election over into office, including yourself. But he made
Speaker 4: he made some in roads, and some of the other candidates,
Speaker 4: the Senate candidate against Senator Warren did better this time
Speaker 4: than the Senate candidate did a few years ago. Is
Speaker 4: that something to be concerned about? From that the party
Speaker 4: should be looking at and saying, if this is going
Speaker 4: on in Massachusetts, it may be going on in states
Speaker 4: I don't know, like a Minnesota where maybe the Republicans
Speaker 4: could could get a real a toe hold in some
Speaker 4: states that they're they're kind of off the board right now.
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely we should look at that as the party nationally,
Speaker 3: but frankly the Massachusetts Democratic Party should look at that
Speaker 3: right here at home. I saw statistic, and don't quote
Speaker 3: me on this, I think I've got it right, but
Speaker 3: that Trump increased his Vogue share in Massachusetts more than
Speaker 3: in any other state in the Union extept one. So
Speaker 3: he went up like eight points or something like that.
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't have it exactly right, but the point
Speaker 3: is he gained a lot of ground in Massachusetts. Not
Speaker 3: enough to put him over the top, for sure, but
Speaker 3: we really got to pay attention to that and say, cheez,
Speaker 3: are we losing touch? Because it certainly feels to me
Speaker 3: like we are, And yet a lot of Democrats are
Speaker 3: just unwilling to have that discussion. I've sat through a
Speaker 3: couple meetings now where Democrats literally are just going around saying, hey,
Speaker 3: wasn't that bad. You know, Harris didn't do that great,
Speaker 3: but we did better in the House or whatever. I mean.
Speaker 3: Trying to spin this as a win is really stretching
Speaker 3: the imagination, and it just shows how some Democrats are
Speaker 3: just unwilling to face reality and recognize that we need
Speaker 3: to make some changes.
Speaker 4: My guest is Congressman Seth Moulton the sixth Congressional District
Speaker 4: here in Massachusetts. Will continue our conversation with Congressman Moulton.
Speaker 4: He will be with us until about nine twenty eight
Speaker 4: and I want to talk to him a little bit
Speaker 4: about the conversations that now are going on within the
Speaker 4: leadership of the Democratic Party and maybe it's time for
Speaker 4: some of a shakeup of leadership. I'd like to touch
Speaker 4: upon some of that when we get back. Seth Moulton's
Speaker 4: thank you very much for being with us. We'll be
Speaker 4: back in about three minutes.
Speaker 3: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World,
Speaker 3: Nice Side Studios. I'm WBSY News Radio.
Speaker 4: We are fortunate to be joined by Congressman Seth Moulton
Speaker 4: of Massachusetts, the sixth Congressional District. You talked earlier this
Speaker 4: month as a dad about your daughters on an athletic field.
Speaker 4: I think everyone knows what you said, and you spoke
Speaker 4: as a dad. Which of two girls? Were you surprised
Speaker 4: by the invective that was directed at you by members
Speaker 4: of your party. I think you referred to it almost
Speaker 4: as a purity test.
Speaker 3: I mean, in some ways, then I wasn't surprised, because
Speaker 3: this is exactly the point I was trying to make.
Speaker 3: It's that you can't just speak authentically about certain things
Speaker 3: as a Democratic party because they're considered off limits. And
Speaker 3: the big problem for us is that these are things
Speaker 3: that other people are talking about, including Trump and millions
Speaker 3: of dollars worth of ads in this election. So you know,
Speaker 3: he was attacking trans people and we couldn't even talk
Speaker 3: about it and have a reasonable response and just say,
Speaker 3: you know, here's a reasonable policy or whatever it is.
Speaker 3: And that's silence. I think it's politically stupid. It allows
Speaker 3: the other side to set the terms of the debate,
Speaker 3: and it ultimately hurts some of the people that the
Speaker 3: Democrats are actually trying to stand up for. So that's
Speaker 3: the problem. I was using this as an example of
Speaker 3: the cancel culture that's become rampant in society these days,
Speaker 3: in college campuses and within the Democratic Party, the fact
Speaker 3: that we can't even debate certain issues. So I guess
Speaker 3: maybe I was surprised that they went so far. Some
Speaker 3: of the crazy things people have said on the Internet
Speaker 3: and in interviews about me is certainly extreme, but in
Speaker 3: some ways I wasn't surprised at all that I was
Speaker 3: going to get some backlass.
Speaker 4: Well, a lot of the keyboard warriors, they will say
Speaker 4: stuff on the Internet that they wouldn't dare say to
Speaker 4: someone face to face, but they have the anonymity and
Speaker 4: the protection of the Internet, so they can they can
Speaker 4: do what whatever they want. You know, if I look
Speaker 4: back in my lifetime, the two most successful Democratic presidents
Speaker 4: that I can think of, well, Bill Clinton, who had
Speaker 4: his own problems, but he was smart enough, very smart
Speaker 4: and worked with Republicans on the economy, worked with Nuke Ankridge.
Speaker 4: And President Obama, who used to, you know, emphasize that
Speaker 4: we're not the red state, the blue states. Where the
Speaker 4: United States of America, you know that term you've served
Speaker 4: under him. And President Obama deported a lot of people
Speaker 4: who should not have been here and was called by
Speaker 4: some people actually the deporter in chief. So I look
Speaker 4: at those two examples and I think, how far, how
Speaker 4: far has the Democratic Party gone? Would Bill Clinton or
Speaker 4: Barack Obama be tolerated within some wings of the far
Speaker 4: progressive wing of the Democratic Party. So how do you think,
Speaker 4: you know, policies that Bill Clinton espoused, that the Barack
Speaker 4: Obama espoused would be perceived by would be welcomed, are
Speaker 4: not welcomed by a lot of Democrats on the front, honestly.
Speaker 3: Honestly, Dan, I'm not sure they wouldn't be canceled as well.
Speaker 3: I mean, remember, Barack Obama came into office opposed to
Speaker 3: gay marriage, something that I'm very proud to support, and
Speaker 3: we led the nation in Massachusetts is saying, you know,
Speaker 3: it's none of our business as a government who you
Speaker 3: want to love, and so you know, in frankly, I
Speaker 3: don't know that they would feel you know, they would
Speaker 3: have gotten I guess the point is they would have
Speaker 3: gotten some of the same backlash too. And someone like
Speaker 3: John F. Kennedy, I mean, my gosh, if you look
Speaker 3: at some of his policies, a lot of people in
Speaker 3: my party would have just called them a Republican.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and maybe a right wing Republican tiboot. I mean,
Speaker 4: I remember, I was young enough to remember the big
Speaker 4: issues of the Kennedy Nixon campaign. I'm sure you as
Speaker 4: a historian remember, but you weren't born at that point.
Speaker 4: With the islands of Cumoya and matt Sue, two islands
Speaker 4: off the coast of China, and whether or not then
Speaker 4: the Red Chinese were able to stay there, or whether
Speaker 4: the nationalist Chinese the Taiwanese could take those islands back.
Speaker 3: So look, you know, in some ways, we've come a
Speaker 3: long way as a party, and that's progress that we
Speaker 3: should be proud of. But the problem is that we've
Speaker 3: preached tolerance for so long, We've worked so hard at
Speaker 3: tolerance that we've actually become intolerant. And you can't win
Speaker 3: elections if you don't represent the majority of Americans. It
Speaker 3: just doesn't work.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you don't have to compromise your principles in
Speaker 4: order to represent the majority of Americans.
Speaker 3: In my opinion, that's right. I mean, I wasn't even
Speaker 3: telling us to change our policy thing about this, Dan,
Speaker 3: I was just saying, let's have a debate about it,
Speaker 3: you know, let's just be willing to talk about it.
Speaker 3: And it's kind of shocking that that is so difficult
Speaker 3: for us right now. But look, that's why I'm forcing
Speaker 3: the conversation. And I got to tell you there are
Speaker 3: a lot of Democrats who are hearing this, you know, sure,
Speaker 3: there are a lot of independents, even Republicans who've reached
Speaker 3: out to me and said, yeah, you know, that's that's
Speaker 3: why we didn't vote for you, or that's the problem.
Speaker 3: But mostly I've been hearing from fellow Democrats who said, yes, Seth,
Speaker 3: this is what we need to do. We just need
Speaker 3: to be willing to take on these tough issues, to
Speaker 3: have a debate, to understand what we need to change,
Speaker 3: to come up with a winning strategy, because we clearly
Speaker 3: didn't have one last week. So the reaction has been
Speaker 3: very positive across the board by a large even though
Speaker 3: there's these loud voices on the internet from the extremes.
Speaker 3: And I've also had some really good conversations with leadership.
Speaker 3: You mentioned democratic leadership. I had a long conversation with
Speaker 3: the Keem Jefferies several days ago, and look, he agrees
Speaker 3: with me, we have to have these tough conversations, and
Speaker 3: I think he's going to be part of helping to
Speaker 3: lead that.
Speaker 4: Well, I would. You've been there a while and at
Speaker 4: some point I suspect you're going to find yourself in leadership.
Speaker 4: I think that I think you're on a on a
Speaker 4: path that's going to be good for the Democratic Party,
Speaker 4: the Republicans. I'm sure you saw some of the cabinet
Speaker 4: choices that President Obama rather President Trump has just announced,
Speaker 4: including Matt Gates, which to me is a I have
Speaker 4: no idea what's going on with that one.
Speaker 3: He's just insane. He's just insane, Mackie, they're nominating him
Speaker 3: to be the chief law enforcement officer in the country.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's under ethic investigations, sexual misconduct. Uh, he
Speaker 3: literally trafficking girls. Uh, he has been under criminal investigation.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's it's just unbelievable.
Speaker 6: It's like, uh, well, the string that the thing that
Speaker 6: the only theory that I kind of that I can
Speaker 6: think is that, uh that Gates has agreed to be
Speaker 6: sort of a sacrificial lamb, and that all the focus
Speaker 6: is going to be on Gates and some of the
Speaker 6: other The focus would be so intense on Gates that
Speaker 6: some of the other nominees will will.
Speaker 4: Not be in the line of fire, if you get
Speaker 4: my drift. I don't know if you think that's reasonable
Speaker 4: or not, but I think maybe, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was a veteran's fundraiser tonight and in Washington, and
Speaker 3: there's a lot of concern a lot of people asking
Speaker 3: questions about the nominee for Secretary of Defense, Pete Hexas,
Speaker 3: and and and in some ways that's that's exactly right.
Speaker 3: In fact, that's what I told some people, is that
Speaker 3: a few ago it looked like he might not make
Speaker 3: it through very thin resume a history of politicizing the military,
Speaker 3: which is another just very Unamerican thing to do. And
Speaker 3: yet no one's talking about him right now because all
Speaker 3: the focuses on Gates. So you might be right. I
Speaker 3: think one of the things about Donald Trump is, you know,
Speaker 3: I have a lot of problems with his basic principles
Speaker 3: and values, as I know many other Americans do too.
Speaker 3: But he's not inty it. He's calculating, and he's a
Speaker 3: pretty savvy politician, so there's usually some rhyme and reason
Speaker 3: behind what he's doing.
Speaker 4: Where do you think it goes from here? I assume
Speaker 4: you're not about to back off and basically go along
Speaker 4: with the crowd. Do you think there's a place for
Speaker 4: you to stay in the in the Democratic Party and
Speaker 4: become a voice, even a more effective voice for the
Speaker 4: party nationally. I'm not suggesting that you're going to run
Speaker 4: for president or do anything like that right away. But
Speaker 4: I'm just wondering that this is not discouraged you. Knowing
Speaker 4: you as I think I do, it probably has encouraged you.
Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly right. You know, Marines aren't that good
Speaker 3: at retreating to them. And I have no intention of
Speaker 3: backing off, backing off from my fundamental point here, which is,
Speaker 3: we got to be willing to have debates. We got
Speaker 3: to be willing to talk about these things. We've got
Speaker 3: to be willing to fix ourselves. That's what we need
Speaker 3: to start doing in a Democratic party. And if we
Speaker 3: do that, we've got a bright future. And I think
Speaker 3: that we can make a case to Americans that we
Speaker 3: do have better plans for the economy because Trump's tariffs
Speaker 3: and tax cuts for the rich are going to raise
Speaker 3: prices for everyday Americans at the grocery store. We do
Speaker 3: have a better plan for the border, because remember Democrats
Speaker 3: worked with Republicans in the Senate to come up with
Speaker 3: a bi partisan border deal, and Trump thank it because
Speaker 3: he said he wanted to make it a political issue
Speaker 3: for the election. He's playing politics with the border. We
Speaker 3: actually want to fix it. I know that that's not
Speaker 3: our reputation, but My point is we have the ingredients
Speaker 3: to be successful, but if we're going to do it,
Speaker 3: we got to and a lot more time listening to
Speaker 3: Americans instead of talking down to them. We got to
Speaker 3: spend more time out, you know, hearing from Americans all
Speaker 3: across the country and saying what can we do for you?
Speaker 3: Not how can you conform to the Democratic Party?
Speaker 4: Well, again, I thank you for the time tonight. We've
Speaker 4: followed it pretty closely. As they say, I think that
Speaker 4: you're on the right side here, that you need to
Speaker 4: have different voices in the party and all those voices
Speaker 4: need to be heard so that the American people understand
Speaker 4: that there's a bigger tent the Republicans. For a long time,
Speaker 4: we're accused of having too small a tent, And believe
Speaker 4: it or not, I think the Republicans now have increased
Speaker 4: their tent, or at least increased the number of people
Speaker 4: in their tent, under the leadership of a president who
Speaker 4: is pretty pretty controversial president.
Speaker 3: And we'll yeah, see that's right. They're ten is bigger
Speaker 3: than ours right now, and that's what we got to fix.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean, I.
Speaker 4: The only thing I want to tell you what I
Speaker 4: said about the election, and I want to be honest
Speaker 4: with you, I'm very happy that it was a decisive result,
Speaker 4: because I was really fearful that we were going to
Speaker 4: go through another twenty twenty if it was a two
Speaker 4: seventy two to two sixty six, you know, electoral college split.
Speaker 4: And I'm hoping that that it gets that it quiets
Speaker 4: down the next few months because I never want to
Speaker 4: go through another post twenty twenty election again in my lifetime.
Speaker 3: So it was absolutely terrible for the country, and you're
Speaker 3: absolutely right that it was just terrible for the country.
Speaker 3: I mean, the reality is that if Trump had just
Speaker 3: barely last lost in this election, he was going to
Speaker 3: pull those Shenanigans again again, something that's not happened, you know.
Speaker 3: That's that's that's not the tradition in America. The tradition
Speaker 3: is the peaceful transfer of power. And regardless of what
Speaker 3: the result is next time, whether it's close or decisive,
Speaker 3: or whether it's a Republican Ormocrat on top, we've got
Speaker 3: to remember our fundamental values as democracy that the voters
Speaker 3: have to say and it's not up to the president
Speaker 3: or anyone else to change, you know, to try to
Speaker 3: try to change their minds or change the results. Those
Speaker 3: are some of the fundamental American values that I think
Speaker 3: we're losing touch with and we have over the last
Speaker 3: few years. And you know, part of part of the
Speaker 3: Democratic Party's future and leadership for the country is reminding
Speaker 3: folks what America is all about. We're not going to
Speaker 3: do that if we have a narrow tent, uh, with
Speaker 3: certain views that we're just forcing everyone else to conform to,
Speaker 3: rather than listening to Americans and hearing what the issues
Speaker 3: are that matter to them and how we can make
Speaker 3: a difference to improve their lives.
Speaker 4: So that's what I want to ask you one of
Speaker 4: the question. I'm going longer than I than I said,
Speaker 4: but I'll just give me one more minute here. I
Speaker 4: have a belief, I have a theory. Uh, And I'd
Speaker 4: love to know if you think if you think I'm crazy,
Speaker 4: tell me I'm crazy. If you were one of the
Speaker 4: early Democrats who, after the horrible debate that President Biden
Speaker 4: had with President Elect Trump in late June, who said
Speaker 4: it was time for a change, you were out early
Speaker 4: on that, and it took a while, but he eventually
Speaker 4: decided to surrender the nomination and allow Vice President Harris
Speaker 4: to run. Do you have any thought or idea as
Speaker 4: to why the Democrats within the White House would have
Speaker 4: allowed Joe Biden to be put in that situation in
Speaker 4: late June. I believe there's a story here, and that
Speaker 4: there were people in the White House who knew that
Speaker 4: Joe Biden had lost a lot off his fastball, and
Speaker 4: that you remember he held that He released that videotape
Speaker 4: one morning I think it was early in June or
Speaker 4: late in May, in which he basically it was only
Speaker 4: about a thirty second tape. He kind of looked like
Speaker 4: Clint Eastwood and said, Donald, I know you want to
Speaker 4: have a debate, Well make my day. Do you remember that?
Speaker 3: I don't remember that, but I mean, look, it's I mean,
Speaker 3: this is a terrible decision on the part of President
Speaker 3: or his team or some combination of too to hold
Speaker 3: out so long. It was a mistake. And I love
Speaker 3: Joe Biden, He's been a political mentor me.
Speaker 4: But wasn't it a mistake to have not only waited
Speaker 4: so long, but then to throw him out there on
Speaker 4: whatever it was June twenty sixth or whatever after and
Speaker 4: do as badly as he did it. I just think
Speaker 4: there's a story there that that that eventually is going
Speaker 4: to be told. And I don't know if you, I
Speaker 4: don't think you you you buy what I'm what I'm
Speaker 4: suggesting that I think that there was a there was
Speaker 4: finally a panic within the White House and they decided
Speaker 4: he's got to go, and that was the way that
Speaker 4: I think they showed him the door.
Speaker 3: Could be wrong, Yeah, I don't know, I mean, because
Speaker 3: what I remember is that I was privately pleading with
Speaker 3: the White House, you know, the people I knew who
Speaker 3: were close, like right around the inner circle to the President,
Speaker 3: that you've got to ask him to step aside, and
Speaker 3: there was no response. And it was only after that
Speaker 3: that I went public. I think I was the third
Speaker 3: in the in the Congress, House or Senate to come
Speaker 3: out and publicly say he's got to step aside, and
Speaker 3: then it was yet another week before he did.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 3: It didn't feel like he was being pushed from the inside.
Speaker 3: It felt like he was being pulled from the outside
Speaker 3: from those of us in Congress, but not to step aside.
Speaker 3: So I don't know exactly what happened, but there's no
Speaker 3: question it was very difficult for Harris to run an
Speaker 3: incredibly short campaign, and it must have been the shortest
Speaker 3: presidential campaign in history. And that's not an easy thing
Speaker 3: to do. And guess what, it didn't work.
Speaker 4: Lets you go back to probably eighteen twenty or eighteen
Speaker 4: twenty four, they didn't have them quite that that length.
Speaker 4: And Seth Molton, thank you very much. Again. I hope
Speaker 4: you get a profile and Carriage award from the Kennedy Library.
Speaker 4: But don't hold your breath.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, than for having men.
Speaker 4: Congressman Seth Molten from Massachusetts. We're going to go to
Speaker 4: news and I'd love to know what you think. Do
Speaker 4: you think he did the right thing? Uh, for himself,
Speaker 4: for his party, for his country. That's my question. Six
Speaker 4: one seven, two, five four to ten thirty six one seven,
Speaker 4: nine thirty. Back on night Side, let's talk a little politics.
Speaker 4: Beginning at ten o'clock. I want to talk about some
Speaker 4: of the cabinet nominations that the President has made. Some
Speaker 4: of them I think are really good. Uh, there's a
Speaker 4: couple at least one that I don't understand, but we'll
Speaker 4: talk about that beginning at ten. Coming back on night Side.
Speaker 4: Right after this, It's night Side on.
Speaker 5: Boston's news radio.
Speaker 4: Go right at the phone calls. Let me go to
Speaker 4: Tom and Brockton. Tom, welcome back. How are you sir?
Speaker 7: Welcome Hey, thank you for taking my call.
Speaker 5: Can you hear me? Okay, I can hear you? Just
Speaker 5: find Yeah.
Speaker 7: You know, at the beginning of the interview that you
Speaker 7: had with Seth I was totally on board with him
Speaker 7: with what he said that the Democrats, this party of
Speaker 7: twenty twenty four, they're trying to fit a square peg
Speaker 7: into a round hole in my opinion. Now, the other
Speaker 7: thing that bothered me with what he said, though, is
Speaker 7: that he talked about Trump going after his political enemies. Well,
Speaker 7: what do the Democrats do in New York State? They
Speaker 7: went after their political enemy. Donald Trump had not been
Speaker 7: alleged to have committed a crime while he was president.
Speaker 7: Leticia James as well as Alvin Bragg both sat on
Speaker 7: the campaign trails. Not so much brag, but there is
Speaker 7: video of him saying that he would investigate the Trump organization.
Speaker 4: Well, and what, by the way, you're right on Letitia
Speaker 4: James as well. I mean, let's see what let's see
Speaker 4: what Donald Trump did does going forward. Uh, he was
Speaker 4: he was, he faced he faced criminal indictment in Georgia,
Speaker 4: as well as in two federal courtes. The federal courts
Speaker 4: are going to go away. Uh And I would think
Speaker 4: that if I think the Georgia case will implode of itself.
Speaker 4: But again, my my goal was to find out what
Speaker 4: Moulton was was thinking.
Speaker 5: I understand that, you know so, and.
Speaker 7: The the the other thing that he brought up that
Speaker 7: politicizing the military, well, what did Joe Biden do politicizing
Speaker 7: the military? I mean, some of his appointments were ridiculous.
Speaker 7: And the other thing with regardless of some of the.
Speaker 4: Other policies, and some of the policies too absolutely.
Speaker 7: And the other thing is that with the terrorists, Yes, well,
Speaker 7: if Trump gets into a trade war with China, it
Speaker 7: is going to hurt the American consumer. There's no question
Speaker 7: about it. And there's a reason for that. And I
Speaker 7: would like to say that to mister Moulton's face, is
Speaker 7: that because we had a president named Bill Clinton and
Speaker 7: a Senator named John Forbes Kerry who said, you know,
Speaker 7: China becomes a trading partner with us, they're less likely
Speaker 7: to build up their military and they're more than likely
Speaker 7: going to become a democracy. It didn't happen. Those are
Speaker 7: the smart people that tell people like me, well, Tom,
Speaker 7: you just don't know what's good for you. You know,
Speaker 7: you're not as educated as I am.
Speaker 5: Also the Democrat Party.
Speaker 4: You're channeling John Kerry here. Look at how this whole
Speaker 4: thing with the Jpark thing has worked out with Iran.
Speaker 4: I mean, Iran now is a much more dangerous enemy,
Speaker 4: if not to us, although that argument could be made,
Speaker 4: much more dangerous enemy to the state of Israel. You know,
Speaker 4: it's funny, they they they I did three people the other
Speaker 4: day who are planning an assassination of Donald Trump. That
Speaker 4: story seems to have disappeared from the major American news media.
Speaker 7: I will not name the other station, but there's a
Speaker 7: station and that basically is on the low end of
Speaker 7: the FM dial. That the week about a week after
Speaker 7: the Supreme Court decision was made that Trump could not
Speaker 7: be prosecuted for presidential immunity whatever, you know what I'm
Speaker 7: talking about.
Speaker 4: It was let me just let me just say this
Speaker 4: real quickly too. It was a much more nuanced decision
Speaker 4: than that. I mean, as long as it was within
Speaker 4: his his his actions as president, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 5: Right, well.
Speaker 7: One woman called in from Cambridge where else, and said
Speaker 7: that you know, the only thing I think we can
Speaker 7: do with Donald Trump is we're going to have to JFKM.
Speaker 7: And the two hosts sat there and laughed about it,
Speaker 7: you know, and poo pooed it. And what happened. A
Speaker 7: week later?
Speaker 5: Trump got shot. So you know, I'm sorry that.
Speaker 4: And then two months after that, there was a guy
Speaker 4: waiting in the bushes so on side on the golf
Speaker 4: club so and he actually might represented if he hadn't
Speaker 4: been detected, he would have been probably fifty yards away
Speaker 4: from Trump.
Speaker 7: If Trump with an AK with open sites, I used
Speaker 7: to own one. Okay, with open sites, you can hit
Speaker 7: a human being very easily.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you could pick. You could pick, you know, whether
Speaker 4: he wanted to hit the ear or the eye or whatever.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's you know, Tom is always great. Great
Speaker 4: to hear your voice. Your connection is much better than
Speaker 4: the last connection we had when you were calling from
Speaker 4: the Philippines.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I apologize that for your listeners not Wi Fi there.
Speaker 7: But hey, here here's here's the good news, Dan. My
Speaker 7: fiance got approved for her fiance.
Speaker 4: Excellent, excellent, Well, congratulations to both you and to her.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Tom. We're talking about great good night. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna take a very quick break. If you'd like to
Speaker 4: join the conversation, I get one lot. Well that just filled.
Speaker 4: If you like to join the conversation, I got one
Speaker 4: line at six one seven. We are going to talk
Speaker 4: politics for the rest of the night, but I also
Speaker 4: want to talk at some point, particularly after the ten
Speaker 4: o'clock hour, about this spate of nominations that President elect
Speaker 4: Trump has now announced. There's some very interesting nominations there,
Speaker 4: some that might be criticized, some you might like. We'll
Speaker 4: talk about that. It's been an interesting week. We never
Speaker 4: got a chance to talk about it last night, so
Speaker 4: that's what we will do when we get back. Right
Speaker 4: after this very quick break on Nightside.
Speaker 3: Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World
Speaker 3: night Side Studios on w b Z the news radio.
Speaker 4: Okay, back we go, are gonna go to Glenn and Brighton.
Speaker 5: Glenn.
Speaker 4: Appreciate you holding on your next one night saga right ahead, Shirt.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm hoping sometime you could have him back so.
Speaker 5: It can take you can take calls for him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I will, and I think he will. I proposed
Speaker 4: the injury. I wanted to give him a chance so
Speaker 4: he had been you know, uh so I thought unfairly
Speaker 4: criticized to to deal with me as in an interview
Speaker 4: that would would give him an opportunity to express his
Speaker 4: you know, his situ his his positions. And I think
Speaker 4: he I think he positioned himself pretty clearly.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: In fact, he's my favorite Democrat. If they were all
Speaker 8: like him, might still be a Democrat. Well, because he's
Speaker 8: got objectivity. Now, I don't agree with him about the
Speaker 8: things he said about Trump, but I'm a Trump for
Speaker 8: having I agree with Tom on that. But I remember
Speaker 8: Seth Moulton, even though he was against the Iraq War,
Speaker 8: he enlisted and went anyway, and that carries a lot
Speaker 8: of weight with me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was he was a guy coming He was
Speaker 4: a guy coming out of Harvard. And by the way,
Speaker 4: uh the new secretary, or the nominee for Secretary of
Speaker 4: Defense is also a combat veteran, uh and and a
Speaker 4: highly decorated combat veteran. And I think that I don't
Speaker 4: have any problem with that nomination. I do have some
Speaker 4: problem with the Matt Gates nomination, but we'll get into
Speaker 4: that later.
Speaker 5: Oh, I disagree with you there, but that's all right.
Speaker 4: But no, I I just think that look, if if
Speaker 4: if Trump wanted to nominate an attorney general who would
Speaker 4: have been a tough attorney general. You got and you
Speaker 4: wanted to have somebody who had media background. What's wrong
Speaker 4: with Trey Goudy?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 4: I mean, uh, Trey Goudi would have been uh, you know,
Speaker 4: former prosecutor himself. I don't know that Matt Gates has
Speaker 4: that that level of experience. Never mind and the among
Speaker 4: the baggage, I don't think Age is going to be
Speaker 4: confirmed to be really honest with you.
Speaker 8: I mean, well, what I'm gonna say is I heard
Speaker 8: some of that exchange with Sais Molten and the people
Speaker 8: that were they were targeting him, and he couldn't even
Speaker 8: say I don't like when he said, I don't like
Speaker 8: a biological boy. He's who says that he's a girl
Speaker 8: playing on a woman's sport. They were like, sir, you're
Speaker 8: not being very respectful to the transgender community. I mean
Speaker 8: they they really were this rude and disrespectful to him.
Speaker 9: Arrogant.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Again, I think that the average person is going
Speaker 4: to look at that and say, I don't think that
Speaker 4: I didn't perceive what Molten was saying was critical of
Speaker 4: people in their lives who happen to be transgender. I
Speaker 4: don't think that. I don't think that that boys may
Speaker 4: you know to genuinely males should be competing on girls teams.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 8: Yeah, because of the upper body strength advantage. That minute
Speaker 8: boys have you got it?
Speaker 4: You got it? All right, Glenn. We'll try to get
Speaker 4: you next time, I promise.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, and I hope I can call him.
Speaker 8: I even called you in a while.
Speaker 4: That's okay, you can call him all night eleven o'clock hour.
Speaker 4: You know everybody's got a hall pass. Okay, thanks, buddy,
Speaker 4: doctor man. Thanks have a good way. Let me keep
Speaker 4: rolling here. Bill is in Whaland, Massachusetts. Bill, you next
Speaker 4: on Nightsager, right ahead.
Speaker 9: Sorry, I'm not I'm not going to speak very long.
Speaker 9: I've been Nord has been very impressed by Congress from Moulton,
Speaker 9: his service to our country and his whole story and
Speaker 9: how he has challenged some of the the old guard
Speaker 9: Democrats old guard. But I really took offense to his comments,
Speaker 9: uh basically saying that I don't want his little girls
Speaker 9: run over on a playing field by a male or
Speaker 9: a formerly male athlete, and he I think, first of all,
Speaker 9: I disappointed he didn't take any calls. I'm not an
Speaker 9: Internet complainer. I don't hide behind my keyboard. But I
Speaker 9: think he failed to recognize that his comments were not
Speaker 9: just disrespectful, but painting trans young men, or for that matter,
Speaker 9: trans women who wanted to compete on a male team
Speaker 9: as bullies, as intentionally running over little girls.
Speaker 4: Well, how I didn't. I'm gonna I just feel if
Speaker 4: you could. I don't think he was suggesting intentionally. There
Speaker 4: have been some incidents around the country, and some here
Speaker 4: in Massachusetts. There was a girl a year ago, and
Speaker 4: you may have seen the story. If you did, great,
Speaker 4: If you didn't, let me just explain it quickly. Who
Speaker 4: was playing field hockey and she took a shot. You
Speaker 4: know field hockey as not ice hockey, obviously, I'm sure
Speaker 4: you know what it is. They have a hard wooden ball,
Speaker 4: same same principle, and a male for trans mail whatever
Speaker 4: whichever you know term you're comfortable with. I took a
Speaker 4: shot and this girl took it right in the mouth
Speaker 4: and she lost several teeth. And this was a h
Speaker 4: a strong person who who fired that shot. And there
Speaker 4: have been other instances. I think that's what he was
Speaker 4: referring to look.
Speaker 9: I'm sorry, I'm gonna I want to interrupt you because
Speaker 9: he was not he was he was painting trans trans
Speaker 9: people as people who are going to run over little girls.
Speaker 9: How would he feel if his little girls happened to
Speaker 9: be very tall or overweight? Should they not be allowed
Speaker 9: to participate in sports because they might run over an opponent?
Speaker 9: It basically paints trans people do he paints trans people well,
Speaker 9: in a very broad brush, just like gay people were
Speaker 9: painted with broad brush back in the fifties. It just
Speaker 9: isn't necessary. Excuse me, excuse me.
Speaker 4: Let me interrupt you just for a second if I could,
Speaker 4: since I was just give me one second. You made
Speaker 4: a point, you know, for example, in Pop Warner football
Speaker 4: boys pop Warner football, there are weight classifications, so there
Speaker 4: is there are some kids who are by the age
Speaker 4: of thirteen or one hundred and fifty pounds or whatever,
Speaker 4: and they have considerations for that. I coached little boys
Speaker 4: and girls when they were playing kindergarten in first grade soccer,
Speaker 4: and there was never a problem. But by time kids
Speaker 4: get to high school or junior high school, they can
Speaker 4: be a significant difference in their strength.
Speaker 9: Go ahead, but that's not something you have to blame
Speaker 9: on trans people, and that's what he was doing. He
Speaker 9: was speaking specifically trans people. Of course, you know in
Speaker 9: boxing they have different weight classes and wrestling different weight classes.
Speaker 9: That's not what he was saying. He was targeting trans
Speaker 9: people as being ineligible basically to participate on a team
Speaker 9: with his little girls.
Speaker 4: And I think girls happen to be young.
Speaker 9: Right, finish my sentence.
Speaker 4: Well you interrupted me. Go ahead, we get a minute left.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, Okay.
Speaker 9: What I think he needs to do is understand that
Speaker 9: trans people come in all shapes and sizes, just like
Speaker 9: little girls come in all shapes and sizes. But by
Speaker 9: making a statement which I'm looking at, he was basically
Speaker 9: demonizing them, saying that they're going to run over little girls.
Speaker 9: And I know plenty of bullies that are men, bullies
Speaker 9: that are women. And there are plenty of softball teams
Speaker 9: now that are integrated. If you can't stand the heat,
Speaker 9: then don't play. If you're going to get hit in
Speaker 9: the mouth with the ball, it could have been hit
Speaker 9: by a very strong woman too.
Speaker 4: So go take a look at that. Go take a
Speaker 4: look at that video. You know, when you get a chance,
Speaker 4: if you can find that video, go take a look
Speaker 4: at it. Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 9: I'm sure their exceptions to the rule. Dan and people
Speaker 9: like that should be counseled by their coaches to say
Speaker 9: that's not appropriate, but it could have been.
Speaker 4: Fortunately, fortunately that it didn't happen in that case, we
Speaker 4: have done. I'm not cutting you off. I'm just telling you, gone, no, no,
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what you can do. Why don't you
Speaker 4: stay there and I'll put you on on the other
Speaker 4: side of the news. I got to take a newscast
Speaker 4: and I'll give you a couple of minutes on the
Speaker 4: other side. Is that fair?
Speaker 9: That's fine?
Speaker 4: Okay, you say right there, we'll be back with more conversation.
Speaker 4: We'll get this right away, right after the news