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Speaker 1: You're listening to Petlifradio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Animal Rights on pet Life Radio. You're here

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with your host Tim Link and we've got another great

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show for you today. So I would like to thank

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you first of all for joining us. My guest today

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is pull Up Surprise winning investigative reporter John Westendick, and

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he'll be talking to you with us today about it

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recently released book, Dog inc. The Uncanny Inside Story of

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Cloning a Man's Best Friend. So it's fascinating topic, could

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be controversial, so you never know, so everybody's going to

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have to listen and find out more about it. You know,

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the story dog Inca The Uncanny Inside Story of Cloning

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Man's Best Friend. It illustrates the links that dog owners

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will go to duplicate their beloved animals. So I'm really

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fascinating and interested in talking to John more about the

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book and everything that he does as well. But first

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I'd like to talk to you about a study that

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I found recently. There was a study recently that was published.

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It was actually January twenty eleven and it was published

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in the issue of Journal of American Veterinary Medical Association.

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And the study which took place at Ohio State's Veterinarian

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Medical Center. It documented sickness behaviors and healthy cats as

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well as in cats with feline interstitial cystitis. Mouthful there,

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but basically, it's a chronic illness that causes reoccurring discomfort

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or pain in the bladder of your cats, and it

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also leads to both urgent and frequent urination by the animals.

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So it's a serious disease. But the study, which was

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actually given a large grant to find out what causes

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this and what causes your cat to not want to

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urinate in their litterbox, the study concluded that basically, it's

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something I already knew. But the study concluded that the

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changes in a cat's routine can cause stress, and with

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stress comes to unwanted sickness behaviors, as they call it,

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sickness behaviors in your cats that tend to exhibit such

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behavior as refusing to eat and we're not using their

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litter box. So there's a large grant given for this

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study to come back basically saying, keep your cat's life

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stress free, keep it on a routine, and you're going

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to have a better chance of your cat not getting

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this illness. And actually using the litter box, or you

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can call me and I'll be able to consult you

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on it and we'll find out what's going on there

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as well. As an animal communicator, I do do that often.

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That's probably the the number one call I get is

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why it's Fluffy no longer using the litter box And

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perhaps Fluffy is stressed out a little bit, or you've

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changed the behavior, or maybe Fluffy has gotten this chronic

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illness called ICEE. So interesting study. You know, in the

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study it talks about the pets and it went in

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a lot of detail about studying the cats and mind

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monitoring them on a daily basis. And you know, I

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often tell clients that pets are like people. They love

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their routines. They don't like to have their routines disrupted.

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I know I have to have my first cup of

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coffee in the morning for me to be able to function,

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and I'm sure cats have to have their first routine

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in place as well. So if you're going to change

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the routines of your animals, I always recommend that you

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talk to the animals and you explain to them how

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the change is going to impact them and their normal routine.

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You explain to them that what you would like for

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them to do to be able to help out with

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this situation is changing the routine, and most importantly, you

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tell them why it's going to be a good thing.

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Why is it going to be okay, Fluffy, that we're

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going to change your routine today. So basically tell them,

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you know, if you're going to be going on vacation,

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you let them know that, Hey, I'm going to be

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going on vacation and I'll be back in one week.

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What I need you to do is be a great

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kiddie for the pet sitter. Use your litter box only

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because this is gonna make me really happy and it's

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going to cast you a lot less stress. Simple sounds odd,

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sounds different, but talking to animals, believe me, it works.

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And that is the number one thing I get called

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on all the time is about the cats. I found

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out that by simply explaining these things your cat and

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you can do it with your dog and your other

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pets as well. It will ease their anxiety about the

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changes and the routine and how they can adjust to

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it and what you need from them and why it's

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going to be a good thing for them and you know. Now,

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if I can only get a major grant to study

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this and talk about it as well, then we all

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be happy. I know my bank account would be a

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little happier too. But it's an interesting study. I think

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it's something worthwhile. We're going to post it on the blog,

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which is the Animal Rights blog on Petlife Radio. So

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go to petlifradio dot com, click on animal rights and

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go to the blog. I'll talk a little bit about

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the particular study as well as we'll provide a link

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to the full article about it. So kudos to Ohio

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State University Veterinary School to at least caring about our

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cats and wanting to find out how we can keep

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their routines the same and keep their lifes rest free.

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So interesting article. Interesting article. So we're gonna recome up

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to Animal Rights on pet Life Radio.

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Thanks for joining me today. And on our show, we've

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got John Westerdeck coming on and he's recently released his

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first book, Dog Inc. The uncanny inside story of Cloning

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a Man's Best Friend. So John, welcome to Animal Rights

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on pet Life Radio.

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Speaker 7: Hi.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's our pleasure. It's a fascinating book. I mean,

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obviously you had a great you have a great long history,

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Pulitzer Prize winning the Investigative Reporter, and now we're talking

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about a wonderful book, a very intriguing book. Called Dog

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inc The Uncanny Inside Story of Cloning a Man's Best Friend.

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So tell us a little bit about the book and

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how it came about.

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Speaker 6: Sure, but we have to go back to the routine

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to pets and their routine later because I need some

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insights on that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we can do that.

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Speaker 6: I got started on the book back when I was

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still a reporter with the Baltimore Sun and I was

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doing their pet blog called Mutts. At the time, it

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was mostly about dogs, and I did a short little

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blog item on someone had reported that there was an

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anonymous woman who was getting her dog cloned. There weren't

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too many more details than that, which I found kind

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of intriguing. I did a little light them on it,

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and the next day I came to work and I

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had like fifteen to twenty voicemails from the anonymous woman,

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who wasn't anonymous anymore after that. So that's that's the

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part of it that really intrigued me most, is that

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it sort of struck me as the first time that

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we as a society in our history were cloning for

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love as opposed to you know, scientific experiment or agriculture.

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especially with dogs who probably non animal closer to us,

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as you know, perhaps leading the way to something even.

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Speaker 2: Scarier exactly, you know. And it's fascinating because I, like

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you said, I think everybody heard of cloning of livestock,

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and we heard about you know, the sheet that was cloned,

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et cetera, and obviously we'd sort of been you know,

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at least in my mind, is kind of an It

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is very fascinating, but I didn't know it was actually happening.

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I didn't know it was actually today present, they're actually

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doing that, and people were paying top dollar and hopes

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to hold on to their beloved pet in some fashion.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and it was actually the whole, the whole impetus

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behind it was pretty much to turn it into a

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profit making business. And so that the effort to clone

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a dog, I mean, everybody remembers Dolly the sheep pretty well.

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when it was underway at Texas A and M University,

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where it was funded by a private citizen who wanted

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his dog cloned. And they tried for several years and

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couldn't quite pull it off because dogs proved to be

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even before a dog was cloned, they were selling the

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idea of banking your dog's cells for when the day came,

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that cloning was just around the corner and you should

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bank your dog cells now, and a lot of people

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Speaker 2: Well, it's fascinating, but it's also mind boggling because I

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love my pets. You know, we've got dogs. Of course,

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you name it is in our household. We have cats.

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I think I love my pet as well as anybody.

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I'm sure you love your dog as well as better

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than anybody. It's your best friend. But cloning, I mean,

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is that something that you thought of after had been

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anticipating since you wrote the book? Is this encountered in

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your mind?

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Speaker 6: I can understand the temptation to do it. I mean,

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I think my dog is like extra special, as everybody

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does with their own dogs. And he's about six years

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old now, and so you know, every once in a

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while I think about, you know, and he's a very

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large dog, so he won't live a whole long time.

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that people go through, having been you know, through a

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few other dogs, and so I can relate to that.

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the first place, it costs one hundred thousand dollars, so

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that rules me out.

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Speaker 3: But you know, even if I could, I wouldn't because I.

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Speaker 6: Think it would it wouldn't be fair to his memory,

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and I probably wouldn't be fair to the clone who

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i'd have, you know, all these expectations of you know,

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weren't you more like Ace? Why can't you do this

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like Ace did and be fair at anybody, including me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And that's a very good point because from

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what I understand about the cloning process, you may get

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an animal that looks a lot like the original animal,

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like Ace in this case, but the personalities of the

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two animals are still very unique. And so when people

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has been, They've been still just as thrilled because it

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sort of still looks like the that had made its transition,

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or are they very disappointed because the personality still much different.

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Speaker 6: It's been a mixture, even like within the same person,

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it's been a mixture. By that, I mean the first

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customer who I talked to, you know, throughout the process,

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while she was still waiting for it, and when she

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meant to pick up her dogs, and after she got

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them back, she kind of went back and forth, you know,

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when they were pups on how much they physically resembled

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the original and in terms of behavior as well.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the company's the company.

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Speaker 6: There's only one that's doing it now in Korea.

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Speaker 3: They pretty much guarantee.

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Speaker 6: That they'll give you a dog that is physically identical.

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But you're right as far as the personality and the

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behavior and the temperament are all things that I think

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anybody who has a dog knows that a lot of

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that comes from the time that the two of you

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spend together and how you spend it and.

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Speaker 3: How you raise them.

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Speaker 6: And I think that's something that sort of evolves over

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time and doesn't have a whole lot to do with genes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And that's you know, to me that having

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an animal that looks like an animal that I've had

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in the past. Obviously, we were humans, so we're attracted

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by things that attract our eye to begin with. But

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when it boils down to it's really the personality, the

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essence of that particular animal that you really, in my opinion,

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you hold dear to your heart and you want them

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to be identical. You want them to act and play

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and get in trouble like your dog used to do.

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Speaker 6: And the customers, I mean, there are some customers who

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think it's going to be somehow the same dog, that

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somehow the soul of their dog that died is going

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to re enter the clone and they will have the

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same dog again. And I don't know if they're fooling

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themselves or wishful thinking or denial or what. But then

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again there's others that know it's not the same dog

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and it's just as close as they can come to

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getting the same dog. So it varies from customer to customer.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. Interesting, I mean people are doing this. Do you

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have they provide any numbers?

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Speaker 6: I don't have a definite number. I know. Well, how

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it got going was there There were two companies at first,

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one that originally called itself Genetic Savings and Clone and that.

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Speaker 2: Was the one that that's a bad I'm sorry, that's

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just bad.

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Speaker 3: They were the ones that were hooked up with Texas.

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Speaker 6: A and M and had hoped to like, you know,

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get cloning accomplished here and clone the dog, clone pats

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here for people. That didn't happen. That company went out

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of business and then reopened as bio Arts and hooked

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up with one of the lead scientists in South Korea

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at Sole National University that managed to clone The first

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dog was who was Snuppy. It was in Afghan Haan,

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who's still around and I got to meet so the

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American company. There was an American company and then a

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Korean company that was working alongside Sole National University, and

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they were both offering to clone dogs.

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Speaker 3: The American company is one of the Korean scientists. The

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American company.

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Speaker 6: Initially held an auction, an online auction to clone dogs

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and took the highest bidders and sent the dog sells

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to Korean had them clone. So they did like six clonings.

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The Korean company, which is still in business and.

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Speaker 12: Still cloning dogs, has done probably about a dozen and

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they expect they say that they make clone as many

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as like five hundred dogs in the next year, and

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they're building a new facility laboratory.

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Speaker 3: In which to do that.

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Speaker 6: So you know, there's probably maybe worldwide twenty or so

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people that have had this done so far.

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Speaker 2: Well, fascinating, has passed.

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Speaker 6: A lot more have been cloned in connection with for

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research purposes, for research.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, very fascinating. Talking Well, listen, we're going to take

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a break here shortly and then come back and we're

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going to talk more with John Westondick about his book

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Dog Inc. As well as his blogs. I want to

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talk about ace and the things that you're up to

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back, Welcome back, your listen animal rights

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host and I'm here with John Weston Dick, who is

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the author of dog Inc. The Uncanny Inside Story of

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Cloning a Man's Best Friend. John, I was reading a

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little bit about your history with animal communicators, and as

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you may or may not know, I'm an animal communicator

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when I'm not doing this wonderful radio show, as well

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as wearing hats as author, writer, speaker, et cetera, et cetera,

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et cetera. But after reviewing your book, the thought occurred

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to me that I know that you had spoken to

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an animal communicator about I believe Ace or one of

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your other pets, But did you. I thought it would

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be interesting to communicate with one of the clone animals

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get their viewpoint on their origination. Have you ever considered,

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or have you, as anyone, ever considered an animal communicator

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talk to one of the clone pets to get their

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viewpoint on life.

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Speaker 3: Not that I know, but I think.

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Speaker 6: That's an awesome idea. Yeah, Yeah, that's really interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it would be a real interesting topic

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because I called, you know a lot of times and

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do consultations, and especially when we're talking to individuals who

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have rescued their animals from a shelter or a no

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kill rescue, which I applaud. They always want to know

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what was the history, you know. I heard a spot

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went through all this tragedy in his life in the past,

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and so I've had some interesting conversations with them. But

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I was wondering, clone dog, what would they have to say.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be fascinating.

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Speaker 6: And that's that's sort of how I've taken Age to

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an animal communicator twice, two different ones. And the first

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time was back when I was a reporter. I did

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a series after I adopted him from the shelter here

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in Baltimore, trying to figure out his roots and what

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his history was and what breeds he was. And so

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I did like the DNA test you can do now,

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and that determined I did three times actually basically terman.

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He was rott Weiler, Akita, chow, and pitbull. But then

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I like went back to the neighborhood where he had

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been found and tried to find people that you know,

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recognized him. And the sort of the last ditch thing

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I did was was go to an animal communicator that

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I had met earlier and just asked her, you know,

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to get Ace to tell her his history. So that

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was that's one part of this series I did about him.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic and so Ace has all the good stuff inside

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of him. He's got all the best of everything.

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Speaker 6: You know, if reputations were correct, which they're not, you

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think he'd be totally vicious.

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Speaker 3: But he's sweets me.

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Speaker 6: He's a therapy dog, he works with kids a lot,

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and he's he's pretty amazing.

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Speaker 2: There you go. You know, it just spells the rumors

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we talk a lot about, you know, pitt Bulls. Obviously

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the negative attention they're getting right now, but they're one

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of the sweetest, loving family dogs you could possibly have.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's for sure.

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Speaker 6: And then the second time I went was recently, and

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this relates to the how much pets love their routine

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because after I finished dogg Inc, I was still basically unemployed,

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so just doing the websites that I do. So I

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decided I could be unemployed and see the country at

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the same time.

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Speaker 3: So so I put everything in storage and we took.

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Speaker 6: Off on our journey in our car, trying to you know,

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be really cheap and not spend much money, and been

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at it like eight months now.

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Speaker 3: We're still not settled. I'm not sure where we're going next, But.

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Speaker 6: After, you know, all all along the way, I wondered,

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you know, is Ace enjoying this? He seems to be,

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you know, he seems always happy, and you know we're asleep.

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But you know, I kept bugging me. You know, am

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I am I putting him through too much by by

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doing all this traveling. We'd go, you know, we'd stay

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a place a night or two and then move on.

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Speaker 3: And so I.

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Speaker 6: Eventually ended up in Arizona and spent like a month

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there living in a little trailer with Ace, and took

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ran to another ANAMAL communicator and took as to her,

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asking her, you know, does say like this? Because I

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know dogs do love their routines. But I didn't know

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whether this the traveling sort of had become the new routine,

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if he was enjoying it, or if you really wanted

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the old routine back, you know, going to the park

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a couple times a day and seeing all the same dogs.

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And so see, I got her answer was kind of

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what I wanted to hear. I don't know if she

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meant it to be what I wanted to do. She

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said that Ace kind of saw the traveling, and we

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got to a lot of shelters and sanctuaries and things

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like that and meet people.

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Speaker 3: He sort of saw that as his.

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Speaker 6: Mission and job and really enjoyed it, and he liked traveling,

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and yet at the same time, he did also look

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forward to the day when we were settled in one place.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, and well, you know, I think that Ace

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definitely understands what your goals are, why you're doing this.

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I'm sure you've talked to him about it. I'm sure

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you've projected it out out. Yeah, And every time you

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pull out a map to go to the next place,

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you're projecting that visualization and he's picking up on that

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visualization as well. So once again, I think it's a

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matter of he understands. I think he does want to

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help you do your work, and more importantly, you're keeping

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him abreast of what's going on. That's the important thing.

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You know, there's a big difference when you change their routine.

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If you let him know ahead of time what to

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expect and what you need from them and why is

481
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it going to be a good thing to do that,

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then you're gonna have a lot less stress. But if

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you don't do any explanation at all, and you just

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throw ace in the back of the car and you're

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on your way. Then you're gonna probably have a little

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bit of a challenge.

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Speaker 6: Man, and I should explain to him what's going on now,

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except I haven't figured that out myself.

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Speaker 2: Well, tell us a little bit about this escapade, because

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I know you have a blog about it, Your travels

491
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Wace is what the blog is. So tell us how

492
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the journey got started, why'd you decide to do this,

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and how's it going so far.

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Speaker 3: Well, I was.

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Speaker 6: Doing when I left the newspaper and was working on

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the book. I also started up my own sort of

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dog news websit I called oh My Dog O h

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M I d o G dot com and which is

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a mix you know, news of dogs from around the

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world and also you know, personal stories and you know

501
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stories that I report around here in Baltimore. And so

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I was doing that, but otherwise I was I was

503
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also looking for a job, getting a lot of rejections,

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and it was probably getting to me being unemployed and rejected,

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and I felt a bit in a rut.

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Speaker 3: So that's sort of what what led to it. So

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we traveled.

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Speaker 6: Initially took off the idea that we'd travel for like

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three months and we took like a southern route west

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and sometimes we'd set things up, you know, go to

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a rescue or shelter sanctuary. Other times we just you know,

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sort of have impromptu adventures.

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Speaker 3: Uh. And it was it was really neat.

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Speaker 6: We met really a lot of great people and a

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lot of people that like were hospitable and put us.

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Speaker 3: Up and we Uh.

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Speaker 6: One of the highlights was when we were in Dallas,

518
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Ace got to ride in the car with one of

519
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Michael Vick's former dogs who had been adopted by a

520
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person there.

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Speaker 3: So that was that was pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And so we did like went all the way out west.

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Speaker 6: Up to Utah, volunteered for a couple of days at

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best Friends, and then came back to Baltimore. And after

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that decided that because the whole idea was also kind

527
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of inspired by John Steinbeck and travels with Charlie, decided

528
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that we'd covered the route he covered as well.

529
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Speaker 3: So we went up and left.

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Speaker 6: The same day he did fifty years later from his

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cottage on Long Island, and took the northerly route west

532
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again doing the same thing, stopping and looking for interesting

533
00:27:51,799 --> 00:27:55,880
dog related stories and then came back down through California

534
00:27:56,839 --> 00:28:00,519
back east again, and now I'm not sure it's been

535
00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:04,400
eight or eight to nine months in all, and part

536
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of me, and I think pretty big part of Ace,

537
00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:11,440
wants to be situated for a while, at least in

538
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one place. But he's back now in Baltimore, and even

539
00:28:14,319 --> 00:28:17,000
though I'm not in the same house I used to

540
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be in, we're close to his favorite park, so's he's

541
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thrilled that we still go there every day.

542
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. So now you can take all those notes from

543
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the journal that you obviously kept in your online journal

544
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and create the book right travels with the A six.

545
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Speaker 3: That's my hope.

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Speaker 6: I haven't officially proposed it yet, but that's my next

547
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task is to try and do that and make it more.

548
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Speaker 3: I mean, I love that book.

549
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Speaker 6: And it's a classic, but I wanted to do something

550
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that that's more dog specific than that was more the

551
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dogs more than.

552
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Speaker 3: Just like a gimmick.

553
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And I think, you know, personally, I think

554
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it's a great route to go because people may know

555
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the book if they're writers themselves or fans of his work.

556
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But like you said, fifty years ago, so you've got

557
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a whole new audience, a whole new bunch of pet

558
00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:05,440
lovers out there, dog lovers, and they want to hear

559
00:29:05,519 --> 00:29:07,519
things from the dog's point of view. So hey, I

560
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look forward to having you on in about a year

561
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or so to talk about that book.

562
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Speaker 3: It's okay, we'll take you up on that. So, hey,

563
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whatever happened to that idea for a.

564
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Speaker 2: Book you had and track you down somewhere on the

565
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road as you're traveling still with Ace. That sounds great,

566
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So tell us a little bit about give everybody the

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websites once again. Then go out and check the blogs

568
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out and they can of course know a little bit

569
00:29:29,519 --> 00:29:31,200
more about the book as well as your other blogs

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you have.

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Speaker 6: Well, my website is oh my Dog. It's O H

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M I D O G dot com.

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Speaker 3: And then the one I started.

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Speaker 6: Up when our travels began, as you said, was is

575
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travels with Ace dot com. And then the website for

576
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my book is dog Incthebook dot com.

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Speaker 2: So everybody check out those blogs and we'll have those

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available too, and we'll have those posted so everybody can

579
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check that as well. So it's fascinating work, and of

580
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,319
course the book is obviously fascinating, a very interest Stein

581
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and somewhat controversial topic for some people. The book is

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Dog Inc. The Uncanny Inside Story of Cloning a Man's

583
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Best Friend. So we've been talking to John Weston Dick. John,

584
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thanks for coming on to Animal Rights on pet Life Radio,

585
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and we look forward to keeping up with your travels

586
00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:20,920
and give Ace a big hug for us. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 6: And if I'm confused about as I'm going to give

589
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you a call telling what's going on in that free

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ahead of his Hey.

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Speaker 8: We will.

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Speaker 2: We'll let you know. And I'm sure he has plenty

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to say, so we've looked forward to that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's pretty wordy. I think.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic. All right, Well, so we've been talking to John

596
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,119
Weston Dick in the book once again is Dog Inc.

597
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,440
The Uncanny Inside Story of Cloning a Man's Best Friend. John,

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Thanks for coming on to Animal Rights on pet Life Radio.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. It was fun, all right.

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Speaker 2: So we're coming up to the end of our show today,

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so I'd like to thank everybody for listening to Animal

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Rights on Pet Life Radio. At I also like to

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thank what's again John Weston Dick for coming on board

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and talking to us about all the wonderful that he

605
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does and talking about the book Dog Inc. Thank you

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to our sponsors and producers for making this show possible.

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To find out more about me, Tim Blink and my

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other podcast on pet Life Radio, go to the animal

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sure you read the blogs and make sure that you

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check out all the shows that we've had on board.

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Go to petlife Radio dot com. While you're there, I'd

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be sure to check out all the other hosts and

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shows on pet Life Radio TUO. So if you have

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see on board, drop me a line at timatpetlife radio

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I'll do my very best to answer your questions, entertain

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your comments, and see if we can get the authors,

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writers and bloggers on the show that you would like

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to listen to and hear from. So until next time,

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write a great story about the animals in your life

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