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very much. Thanks, I love you too. Running Backs, So
this is, like I said, running back primers, where we're
going to be taking a look at what the tiers
look like. I do feel like there could be a
little bit more like tear breaking down as the season
goes on. This is mid June, this is kind of
early on Fantasy pros.
Speaker 3: Different tiers. We can talk about that, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean we could. We could briefly go into I mean,
our ranks episodes are gonna you're gonna be able to
kind of really hit that as well. But like you know,
like the there's only so many sources that are probably
out there's probably like maximum a third, if not a
quarter of the people that are gonna rank when you're
in draft season on Fantasy pros that have submitted their ranks.
So these are the early guys. So there's gonna be
some changes obviously as things start kicking off here, but
we're gonna look, you know, probably will probably go kind
of deep because we're not going to do like these heavy,
heavy breakdowns. I've got some of those projections we'll reference against.
And if anything, if the tiers were to stay the
same bogs as you're like a just you'd like to
throw it out as a quick overarching like running back situation.
This year, it's it feels like bigger, clumpier tiers where
it's like, you know, the top tier isn't one guy,
you know, or like pseudo one guy. It's like there's
four at least in this in the ECR and Fantasy
growser's four. Then group two is kind of another four,
and then the third tier is roughly like eight deep,
so that's probably where your differences are going to change.
But there's probably fifteen to eighteen running backs that go
through as like a top three tier running back, and
that's going to probably justify definitely first two rounds, maybe
even into like the mid mid third or so.
Speaker 3: I got my first three have nineteen running back. So
you said seventeen to eighteen, I snak one more in there. Okay,
I think that's the difference.
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Speaker 3: Actually it is. It feels like we're just drafting baseball
and now going to start drafting football. I know there
are some psychos out there that have already started doing
best balls all the time. Oh yeah and all that.
So I mean, I feel like there are injuries in
preseason every single year, so I don't want to draft
quite yet.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but they're also outside of the itch though.
I think it's it's just variance though, like you look
at it, you're like, I'm not going to touch it.
But at the same time, like the guys that are
doing it know the risk that they could draft uh
Devan h Chan and he could miss significant time, but
also they might be able to get the greatest value
on Bucky Irving. Yeah, in best ball, So it's like
taking advantage of the later round guys, Apple, I think
it's more important than what your early investment is is
getting these crazy deals later on that's going to help win.
And I think a lot of people think there's an
edge to that, like because then when you're drafting, if
it's specifically if we're talking like Bestball, you're drafting like
three weeks before the season or something like that, Like everybody,
you know, there's no more values outside of like in
like you have your own personal evaluation on a player,
Like everything is kind of medianized. Everything is standardized where
you know, you do this three months before you're gonna
you're probably gonna have some crazy stuff that's gonna happen
positively and negatively for you. So absolutely, And there's volume dudes.
There's a lot of people like to do the volume
stuff out there, like you know, let me draft fifty
best balls you know before camp having startup, and then yeah,
his company, thank you, and then they'll be you know,
they'll invest another fifty. I don't know how people do it.
I can appreciate them. It's it's like stock investing. It's
just like it's just pure volume play. They're going to
try to be cashing by putting together so many damn teams.
So I'd like to see how you do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I I I just don't want to.
I feel like it's setting money on fire sometimes those
like early early best balls, because it's like, all right,
you know, I got a very high pick. Can I
take Bijon and three of them and Bejeon gets hurt
and I'm just out in three of those? Life.
Speaker 2: That's why I think a lot of those people like
what they do is they look for parody, Like it's like,
you know, I'm gonna take Jamir and one, I'm gonna
take Bijon in one.
Speaker 3: Like they try not to have to diversify your bomb, saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, better way to put it. That is a
diversification on some of your rosters. So I don't know
that's where it is. But we're not here to talk
about best balls. We are here to talk about the
running back position, what it's looking like in the early streets,
what do some of the projections look like, and then
we'll highlight some players as we go tier to tiers.
So it's not waste any more time take a break,
we come back, we're gonna dive right into it. What
do the running backs look like? The early RB primer
with ECR and the early ranks, Let's do it. It's in
this league. What plants cry, it's got electrolytes. What are electrolytes?
Do you even know?
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Like Q test, you took him prison running back ranks.
We are gonna go from top to bottom. It gives
us more of a conversation on what these big dogs
look like and coming in your rank, share your early rank,
shared exactly. The ECR is what I was referring to before.
This is tier one. And as I said before, I
think unlike in previous years, people know, I get really
picky about tears or someone will be like, yo, this
is tier one, and then I'll start to be like,
but is there ever a scenario where you would take
this guy over this guy? So then I start to
create like these little mini tiers. This tier one is
pretty locked. I think I could make an argument, if
I am being a little bee about it, is that
Jonathan Taylor probably doesn't belong in here, because.
Speaker 3: Like that's exactly how I have my tiers.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, Nathan Taylor, Yeah, because I think when I
have my tier together, it won't be like this. But
coming in at number one is b Jon Robinson. On
ECR two is Jamiir Gibbs. Christian McCaffrey comes in at three,
and Jonathan Taylor at four. Not to just do like
the super clumpy thing, but all of these guys really
close in as far as points per game to go
twenty one point eight for b Jon Robinson last year,
twenty one point six for Jamier Gibbs, twenty four point
five for Christian McCaffrey, and that would have to do
with the one hundred and two catches, but he has
a little bit more I think risk area, so he
clearly scored more points per game. And then Jonathan Taylor
twenty one point three. So you've got this really close in,
you know, kind of general spacing on points. Fourteen hundred
yards for b Jon Robinson, Jonathan Taylor led the way
with fifteen hundred, Gibbs and McCaffrey both at twelve hundred.
But it is the receiving side which Gibbs, Gibbs, Jon Robinson,
Chrisian McCaffrey absolutely separate themselves from Jonathan Taylor in that.
You know, you have seventy nine catches for Bejhon, seventy
seven for Jamire Gibbson, one hundred and two for Christian McCaffrey,
a lot of touchdown scores in here. So talk to
me about this top tier. I will throw some projections
in here what the upcoming season looks like. But do
you have any variant difference? Do you disagree with any things?
I think Jonathan Taylor not being in the first tier
is probably your agreement.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I the JT not being in this
tier is, or being in this tier, I don't have
like a it's not an angry response to it. Like
he was great last year. He was incredible. Yes, he
doesn't catch like those guys, but he did score eighteen touchdowns,
so he's near there a little bit more. I just
think that the touchdowns from a year to year basis
are less dependable than the receptions. So that's why I
wouldn't have JT in that top three. Specifically, if you're
in a PPR, definitely on in that top three. Half
PPR makes it, you know, a little more wishy washy,
But that's the difference. I mean, you look at Bjon
Bejhon's going to be the same guy, and no more
Tyler Aljeer at the goal line. Maybe they just switched
Brian Robinson Junior out for Tyler Algier, but you know,
just he's going to have a smaller role than Algier had.
For sure. Jamira Gibbs no longer has David Montgomery. It's
Isaiah Pacheco, who is a down grade, a massive downgrade
from David Montgomery. And CMC stayed healthy all year last year.
My big thing with CMC has been it's this injury,
it's that injury, it's this and that, and he was
healthy for all seventeen last year, so I can shut
up about that. So that is my top tiers. Those
top three guys I.
Speaker 2: Want to stab at Christian McCaffrey obviously for a second.
There's a couple interesting things in here. So let's take
a look at his projections on Fantasy pros. He comes
in in half PPR as actually the fourth projected running back,
Jonathan Taylor is projected higher than him. McCaffrey comes in
with quite a few less rush attempts, just over one
thousand yards rushing seventy four catches, which is quite a
bit less six hundred and fifty seven yards five receiving touches,
so that equates to about thirteen touchdowns around seventeen hundred yards,
which is relatively impressive, but comes in at number four.
So here's where I want to turn it. He is
what did I say? ECR three on this list is
one person who has ranked him as the number one
running back. That is Rudy Gamble, only person that has
him at one in Like, how many rankers is this right? Now?
This is like, why isn't it tell me the number forty? Well, yeah,
like this does look like I have to eyeback.
Speaker 3: I looked the other day and it was like thirty nine.
Speaker 2: Forty nine. It's actually forty. Sorry, I just didn't see
where it was. So forty nine people have ranked only
one person has him at number one. So then I
go to the other end and the bottom person I
don't I don't even know who Rashia. It's not Raja
Byfield but the real bot because I don't know who
this other person is and I don't see any like
actual other rank. But here's the second lowest person. Andrew Ericsson,
one of my co host sor coworker, and he has
him at RB ten. So as soon as I saw
the ten, there's one thing that came to my mind, Bogs,
this has to be four hundred touches for Christian McCaffrey.
And lo and behold Christian McCaffrey h three hundred and
eleven rush attempts, one hundred and two catches, and what
did What was the narrative last year with Erickson four
hundred touches for Sequon Barkley. Remember it was no guy
after four hundred touches produces. So this is a very
to me. This is a super super algorithm play by
Ericson doing this. So I wanted to set you up
to say, like, A, should Christian McCaffrey, based off of
the usage of what he did last year? He scored
more points per game, scored more total points in any
running back. Should he be the number one guy? Or
should we be looking at a like yes, Mike Evans
is there? Or B should we be looking at formula
situations like what Ericson did, which I mean it was right.
I mean yeah, sure, terms it was right. He I think,
and I'm speaking for him because I have not talked
him about this. It looks to me, just a year
at least right now, that is one hundred percent. It's
four hundred touches. You can't repeat it because why would
you put Christian McCaffrey at number ten at RB after
he was the number one scoring per game in total.
That's the only.
Speaker 3: Reason I think it's more than fair to be worried
about Christian McCaffrey. So if you want, like I think
it'd be crazy to knock him out of RB one
at any point. But if you want to have him
down there at ten, okay, you know what I mean. Like,
I'm not. It's not what I'm gonna do, but it's fine.
I understand the four hundred touch thing, and we saw
Saquon Barkley take a big step back after four hundred touches, right,
But to me, I think it was a little bit
more about the playoff run and going deep into February,
the playoff run for Saquon and being the main guy
to lead them there, then just the physical four hundred touches.
It was, you know, the four hundred touches plus the
playoff touches and going deep. So you you hit Saquon
with the double side of it, going from twenty four
to twenty five, CMC didn't have that deep playoff run.
You know, Niners didn't make the playoffs, so you uh,
you stay at home for an extra six weeks, you know.
So and this worked. So whatever his procedure he had
in Germany, and I talked about that during the season completely,
you know, whatever it was works so well that I
feel like I just believe in it now. So I'm
sure he's gonna go have it done again, the stem
cells or whatever. So I'm just buying into this. And
I think CMC is gonna be more healthy later in
his career than he was in the middle because they
didn't really know what was going on and he didn't
have this whatever this treatment was. So I'm gonna be
fine with CMC. Am I gonna put him at one. No,
I think three is baking in the injury possibility for him,
so I'm not gonna I'm not gonna have him below three.
But he's not gonna win either. For me. That's gonna
firmly stay bijon. Maybe Gibbs those two I'll flip flop on.
So maybe I do need a third tier of CMC
kinal by himself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm kind of trying this one because I I'd
almost rather you just be like, it's just the en
I guess there's probably an element of like the algorithm,
you know, or the analytic play of if you have
foreigner touches, you don't finish blah blah blah, which is
gonna be the thing.
Speaker 3: I find to have thresholds but is okay.
Speaker 2: Well, my point was is like, if you have that,
it's probably attached to also saying he's going to break apart.
But if you think he's gonna play all seventeen games,
and then you're just saying, well, because he's has four
hundred historical data tells you can't like. I just like,
I just don't want to hear it. And it may
be right, but it's just like, I can't buy that
he's the tenth most valuable running back when they are
going to use the ever living crap out of them.
Obviously Mike Evans comes in, it becomes a great red
zone threat.
Speaker 3: He's going But I.
Speaker 2: Mean, if they've lost some weapons in there, I don't
know if they're going to be as comfortable in the
backup running back situation like they were this year, like
they were last year with Brian Robinson. You're gonna lose
Kittle for some time, and the safety net has always
been Christian McCaffrey. I just don't know how McCaffrey and
say he's the tenth running back. So I just would
that you just tell me like, well, you just got
injury history and he was healthy for one year, and
I'd almost be like, okay, more than the four hundred
touch thing. And again, by the way, I don't have confirmation.
Speaker 3: I have not, no, no, I understand. Yeah, I'm just.
Speaker 2: Talking about I'm one hundred percent of assuming that's what
this is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I assume it is as well. But I would
say that, you know, the injury stuff makes in itself,
and if you put thresholds on players, it's just like
teams to put thresholds on We don't want a guy
that under this weight or over this weight, or under
this tall or over this tall. You know, it's the
same thing in the draft as it would be in
your draft. If you're gonna put thresholds on guys, you
will miss opportunities. You can be fine accepting those and
just putting cmc atten and just saying, hey, look he's
gonna be somebody else's problem this year. I'm more than
fine with that strategy overall. But like I said, I
think the egregious thing would be having him all the
way outside of RB One's I know there's gonna be
a lot of opinions on Christian McCaffery one way or
the other. But also, let's just look at the Niners
from twenty twenty five, right, like, who are the weapons
here that were health and good? Even brock Perty missed
a ton of games. It was you know, Pierce All
was healthy. Who are the other healthy? Wide receive Jawan
Jennings was healthy, but Kittle got hurt. CMC was the
one guy to like stay healthy the whole year, so
that's why he had so many touches. The quarterbacks hurt,
your main targets are hurt. Everybody's hurt. I think it's
going to be a lot better this season. I don't
think you can have I know that the Niners have
a long history of injuries, but I don't think it
can be that bad again this year. You know, famous
last words and all that, but I mean, I think
I just think the ball is going to spread around
a little more. He's not going to have a chance
for four hundred touches this year in my opinion. Yeah,
I'm not drafting him expecting four hundred touches, I'll tell you.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just point out like he scored fifty
more points in half PPR than jamieer Gibbs, so like
even if he goes back down, like he's still right there. Yeah,
and he scored three more points per game. So the
other thing I want to talk about in here, I
think is interesting because I'm kind of on this. I
think a lot of people have. You you think about
Dave montgomeryly with the Lions, and you look and you go,
what is the ceiling to Jamiir Gibbs. I think I
was really heavy last year into this, like Jamir Gibbs
kind of just goes Ham. And it feels like not
that that was a year early, because it wasn't, but
it's like, this is the year that it looks like
we could go Ham. The consensus ranks have Bijon Robinson
over Jamir Gibbs, but on the consensus projections, interestingly enough,
Jamir Gibbs is scoring higher Jamir. This is the difference
between them. It is more carries for b Jon Robinson
more yards fourteen thirty eight to fifteen thirteen to fifty
nine rushing, but Jamiir Gibbs is projected for five more
rushing touchdowns, and then they are really close. In receptions.
Bijon is projected like one hundred and eighty more receiving yards.
It's five eighty four for Jamiir to seven fifty three
for Gibbs, but again like a half more touchdown on
the receiving side. So the touchdown totals are projected very
high for Jamiir Gibs, and he has projected it's not
a ton, but it is about six more points than
Jon Robinson. So where do you sit? I know Bijeon's
you're absolute, absolute, But do you think there's a question
mark between the two that they should be close? Is
there a path where Jamiir Gibbs could be the number
one guy? Or is it just like it's always going
to be Bejeon. Jamiir is a great one, b but
I'm not doing it.
Speaker 3: No, I don't have you know, honestly, if you want
to put cm a sip at the top, because of
just the sheer volume that he had last year and
how he stayed healthy, the whole year. I don't have
a hard argument with that, but between those two it
is the most coin flippy coin flip ever, you know
what I mean? Like my thing with Gibbs is how
much more can we give him? He had eighteen touchdowns
last season, right and he had three hundred and twenty touches.
He's gone from two thirty four to three h two
to three twenty. How much more can we possibly give
him thirty more touches? Give him the three fifty. I
just don't think there's a lot more left there for him.
But he's in a better offense than Beijon is. They
have massive questions at you know, quarterback in Atlanta, new
system all that as well. So you know, I think
that both in their prime right now. Gibbs is in
a better offense. I think maybe Beijeon is a little
more you know, built for more touches than Gibbs, but
they're right there. Like you know, bet a name out
of a hat. I don't care, It doesn't make any
difference to me. I like them both. They're both awesome
all right.
Speaker 2: Positionally, I haven't even gotten to it yet. How many
people do you think have Jamir Gibbs ranked as the
number one back.
Speaker 3: Probably you said there's forty nine forty nine. I bet
there's fifteen that have him at number one.
Speaker 2: I don't have the math here, but eyeballing it.
Speaker 3: Take your shoes off, you can count.
Speaker 2: It's about twenty five to thirty of the forty nine
have him number one overall.
Speaker 3: Why isn't he number one?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean Bjon. Now maybe Bejon doesn't have
there's someone has him as a number four. There's a
couple number threes, and then it's choosen one. So maybe
Bejon never goes past two and in order to do yeah, yeah,
like I see you on here, you have him at two.
But then it's like it looks like the whole Fantasy
pros Crew. I see ericson at the top, I see
debro in there. I'm not sure where Joe is. I
don't see Joe on here. Joe's probably a two, but
Pats at two as well, So you guys are kind
of split. But it is like per dominant pre dominant.
Number one's up here and a bunch I mean, Matt
Harmon's got him at one. So I do think I
am gonna lie once my ranks are submitted as a
Jamiir Gibbs number one, just because I think the offense
is another step above and he's got you know, like
you said, like how many more touches can he have?
That's a fair argument, but you know you if you
give me the the three point fifty plus with Jamir
Gibbs in that offense, I think he's just gonna fly.
He's an absolutely fly. But that's not the takeaway from
Jon Robinson. There's almost a little argument. And this is
again why I go back to like Jon Gibbs and McCaffrey.
They're their own tier of type of player. I could
understand teering out McCaffrey if you don't you if you
have concerns about the four hundred touch thing, or you
have concerns about the injuries, you can put him in
one B. But to me, it's like it is Bejon
and Gibbs up there, and then you know, Jonathan Taylor
had a phenomenal season the huge touchdown marker. I think
there's a repeatability factor that people are wondering about the touchdowns.
I mean, he scored eighteen touchdowns and he still scored
less per game than Gibbs. Bjon and Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 3: And touchdowns are just way more harder to reproduce. So
that's why I don't touchdowns. Yeah, twenty two touchdowns that
didn't Yeah, it's crazy, all right. Coming in five through eight,
this is tier two on Fantasy pros. You have James
Cook coming in at number five, Ashton Genty comes in
at six, Devon h Chan at seven, and Chase Brown
at eight.
Speaker 2: You have the same names. You've got a little flippy
floppy that's going on there. James Cook was awesome, had
the most rush attempts in this tier over three hundred
sixteen hundred yards, twelve touchdowns. Wasn't really used in a
receiving game actually, like you kind of think he could,
but that's you know, because they utilize other backs. Genti
was a huge disappointment last year. He is the only
of the top well, I guess there's two top ten guys,
but at the top eight he's the only one to
not go over one hundred or a thousand total rushing yards.
Touchdowns were a little bit of a premium for him.
Davon eighth Chan two thirty eight thirteen hundred yards, eight touchdowns,
sixty seven catches, this past year for almost five hundred yards,
and Chase Brown only two hundred and thirty two the
least amount of rush attempts of any of the players here,
just went over one thousand. Touchdowns, especially on the rushing side,
were few and far between, but he did have eleven
total and he caught sixty nine passes nice for four
hundred and thirty seven yards, so about fourteen hundred yards there,
around eighteen hundred yards total for eight Chan. On the
receiving side were roughly thirteen hundred for eight Chan and
just short of two thousand total yards with James Cook.
So really interesting group there. I know you have the
difference between gent and a chance, so maybe you want
to start there. But let's hear some thoughts on these
guys and then I'll give projections.
Speaker 3: Yeah, James Cook is an easy one, just penciling at
like four or five, six somewhere in there, because next
to Josh Allen, he just scores so many touchdowns. That's
you know, like JT scored eighteen this year, that's amazing.
I don't know if he's gonna get that again. James
Cook is gonna be around ten. He's gonna be ten
to fifteen. It's just what he's done with Josh Allen,
So unless there's an injury, he's just going to continue
to be that guy. Also, I led the league in
rushing yards this year at sixteen hundred, so lots of
rushing yards for him, lots of touchdowns for him. The
floor is very high for James Cook. Chase Brown at
eight is fine. I mean, Burrow coming back and playing
the whole year should make this offense better. Defense is
going to be improved, you know. So maybe they're running
the ball a little bit more and that leads to
more Chase Brown touches. I predict another nice year. They
didn't bring anybody else in either, so it's just going
to be all Chase Brown again, so they're not splitting
him with anybody. So he's still going to be very good.
Genty and a Chan at six and seven here I
have them flipped. I have a Chan at six, I
have Genty at seven. It's not a great argument between them.
I just like, you know, because I'm not gonna hammer
on Genty. He had a bad year and I still
have him very high. I still think he's a very
good player. I think this offense is going to be
much improved, which there's no way it can't be.
Speaker 2: It was so hard and where and where do you
think that materializes for him? In that improvement like what
in touchdowns?
Speaker 3: Mainly effectiveness, more touches number one, and more effective touches
by the way, like you know he was, I think
his yards before contact was negative last year. You know,
so there's going to be better O line play with
and whenever Mendoza comes in. And that is kind of
why I have eight Chan ahead. I know everyone's afraid
of this eight Chan in Miami offense with you know
that it's perfectly reasonable. They're going to be bad. The
defense is bad as well. But e Chan just never
needs a million touches to do what he does. He
had thirteen hundred and fifty yards on two hundred and
thirty eight carries. You know, he catches his ball in
the backfield lot they're gonna be losing a lot. So
I don't see too much changing for a Chan. He
had eight touchdowns last year. I would pencil him in
for somewhere near the same. What a projection say for
a Chan on touchdowns, Well, that's where I was gonna go.
Speaker 2: He is of this group the highest projected running back
of any of these guys. Here, he is projected for
just there in two hundred and fifty rush attempts, a
little over twelve hundred yards a round, seventy catches for
over five hundred receiving yards, so that is like just
south of eighteen hundred total yards. But the touchdowns are
they still feel light. Six point one rushing touchdowns, which
is the absolute lowest of any of the guys. I
mean inside the top fifteen running backs projected, and four
and a half receiving touchdowns, so it's roughly ten and
a half touchdowns total. With those big numbers.
Speaker 3: I think he'll have a couple more just from those long,
crazy touchdowns. So at Tech on a couple maybe three
on top of a twelve last year. That's more carries
and more catches than he had last year because this
offense is going to be more centralized around him because
they don't have any wide receivers. Is he gonna get
face eight in the box a lot? Yeah, He's also
not gonna be a forty touch guy. Ever, He's gonna
find a sliver of daylight and take one a long
way and pick up big chunk yards just what a
Chan has always done. He's held up with all these
touches throughout his career, and I like Gent, but how
much is this offense improving? How long of a leash
do we give Kirk Cousins. I think Kirk Cousins to
start any games. I think they should be Mendoza all
the way through. But I think they're gonna do this
where they give the first four to six weeks to Cousins,
and that could, you know, hamper the entire offense. So
I don't know, you know, they're both right there. I
just we've seen more from a Chan. I trust a
Chan a little bit more to do more with less
than Genty because we saw what Gent he could do
with less last year. It wasn't much. I guess on
that team, a Chan is just a better back I
think than Genty, And I like Genty a lot, but
I just think Chan is better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. I guess the only thing
I keep getting stuck with is it's that less thing.
Is you just I think you're worried that the Dolphins
are just a lesser of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well they were lesser last year and he was
still good. Yeah, and when you were started a bunch
of games last year. It was ugly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm a little bit worried about gent
I think in general, if the offense is like kind
of stuttery, and are we going to be back into
situations where you know, it's guy in the box, he's
just running north and south, he's getting pounded at the line,
and then you got to try to have some dump
offs and you pray that Cousins is doing that. Like,
I'm just like, I don't.
Speaker 3: Know, you're gonna have him in the next tier, like
r tier lower than this group.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the more is I'm going through my
process in this like I think he might be like
I like, let's look, are you there great idea? Yeah,
somebody hasn't been like, well, do you want to know
his projection?
Speaker 3: Yes? Please, let's hear it.
Speaker 2: It's just under three hundred carries to eighty six for
essentially eleven hundred yards fifty nine catches or sixty four
eighteen So that's roughly fifteen hundred yards, eight and a
half touchdowns rushing, three and a half receiving. So call
it twelve touchdowns twelve total touchdowns.
Speaker 3: That sounds about right. I don't I don't have a
big argument with that, So.
Speaker 2: Then we go look at rank here half PPR rank eyes.
I gotta change this because it always DeFi till crosn.
I want this to change. When I click on this,
I absolutely hate that. What do you think his highest
and lowest rank is?
Speaker 3: I guess highest is four, probably higher than that, but
the highest I could see him ranked is four in
the lowest is probably like fifteen.
Speaker 2: The highest is three, and only three people have him there,
and the lowest is thirteen and only one person has
him there, and we very much know the person who
has him the lowest, So first with the highest the
three people we do not know, Nick Bodiford, Kevin Roberts,
and Andrew Scott. The second highest person though, at four,
is Pat fitz Morris. He comes in because there's only
a couple of people at four. But the lowest person.
Speaker 3: Pat loves Mendoza.
Speaker 2: Well, the lowest person I think, I guess give you one.
Joe Joe Pizza Pia the number one lowest at thirteen overall,
and deebro is right behind him. So there's probably some
group think with those guys because Debro's got him at ten.
At running back, and Joe's got him at thirteen, so
that's like just an we're all out, we don't I mean,
especially thirteen, that's like you're not going to place. And
Rickson's kind of in the middle of all you guys,
probably closer to you. Actually you have him at seven,
Erickson has him at six, so yeah, interesting, I mean
six is easy.
Speaker 3: R So I am technically low on him and high
on eight Chan, which is weird to say that is weird.
Speaker 2: The whole thing is kind of weird in that, Yeah,
I kind of feel like this It's definitely not a
dead zone or anything like that, but it's like, I
just don't know if like Chase Brown and gent are
going to be like my cup of tea for this season.
Because I also think there's some really good value in
the next round. So the next tier, it's really tricky
because there's a lot of guys and there probably is
some separation in these. So coming in at number nine
is Sakwan Barkley. At ten Omaron Hampton, twelve is New
Kansas City Chief Ken Walker at eleven I'm sorry if
I said twelve, And then twelve is Dereck Henry. So
that's your top twelve running backs, we're still in the
same tier. It goes to Jeremiah Love at thirteen, Kyrine
Williams at fourteen, Brecee Hall at fifteen, Josh Jacobs at sixteen,
and Javonte Williams at seventeen. Real quick, I'll just give
a few little statty things. Dereck Henry with the most
rushing touchdowns of anybody in this category. Dereck Henry with
the most rushing attempts of anybody in this as well
as rushing yards. Guys that did not rush for one
thousand yards last year, Omarion Hampton and Josh Jacobs. Josh
Jacobs has some dicey legal stuff. I think that's still
floating around, right I think, yeahs he does. Mary Hampton
obviously was injured. I'd say, you know, Breese Hall and
Ken Walker as well as Saquon Barkley's rushing seasons were
pretty minimal under ten rushing touchdowns. Saquan Hampton, Walker, Love
obviously doesn't count, and Breese Hall. Then we go over
to the receiving The most receptions goes to Saquon Barkley
at thirty seven. There's a bunch of thirties in there.
The lowest goes to Derek Henry. Of course, only one
player with over three hundred receiving yards out of this group,
that was Bryce Hall, and no player with more than
three receiving touchdowns, two with none whatsoever. That is ken
Walker and Derek Henry with zero receiving touchdowns. So that's
kind of an oddity of a list. I gave a
little baseline. Let me ask you this, what is the
breaker here? What's the line for you? Of like what
doesn't work when you look at these guys and you
can switch stuff around because I know you have ken
Walker quite a bit lower, which is hilarious to see.
Are you like Barkley and Henry should be their own tier.
Speaker 3: Like it's easy. Hampton and Barkley belong in the next
tier up, And that's how I have it.
Speaker 2: They belong with those guys or their own tier.
Speaker 3: No, No, they belong with those guys in.
Speaker 2: The next tier up with Cook and gent and Han
and b.
Speaker 3: Because because Saquon didn't have four hundred touches and he
didn't have the long playoff run this year, so I
think he's gonna come in fresher. They're obviously going to
use a more. A J. Brown's gone, right, So I
think you're gonna see a lot of Saquon this year,
and I think the offense is still gonna be pretty
fine in Philly. A J. Brown's a big loss. I'm
not taking saying it's nothing, but I just don't think
it changes much for Saquon. I think you're gonna see
a lot of Saquon again, and healthier in you know,
not coming off of a long playoff run and four
hundred touches. Saquon.
Speaker 2: M Well, here the super quick projections.
Speaker 3: Let's see. Hold on, let me see if I can guess.
Speaker 2: I'm just finding where he is? Can I okay, yeah,
I know you do this, And then I'll tell you.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say like three hundred and ten attempts for
twelve hundred yards. I'll say thirty two catches for two
hundred and eighty yards, and we'll go with ten touchdowns combined.
Eleven touchdowns come by.
Speaker 2: Okay, you undershot quite a few things.
Speaker 3: I think you're really close.
Speaker 2: Attempts. It was three h three, you said three ten.
You said around twelve hundred rushing yards, it's thirteen forty seven.
You set around thirty something receptions, it's forty one point six.
It was three hundred and forty one receiving yards. You
kind of undershot all those but attempts, and then you
almost you pretty much had it nailed when you said
ten touchdowns and then you went up one. It's nine
point nine seven point eight rushing, two point one receiving,
so let's call it eight and two. He is projected
as the tenth overall running back according to Fantasy Pros
projections consensus projections on half PPR. That is just what
because here's an interesting thing we didn't talk about with
gent Or. I think I did, but I didn't say
the number genty was projected as the ninth RB on
this list, and Sakuon Barkley is one spot behind, and
their ranks obviously are difference on I mean, I guess
it's six to nine on Fantasy Pros. That's not like
the biggest deal on the planet. But Saikuan still got
some pretty hefty projections, way more touches, because like, what
were his touches two thirty two and missed a game
and thirty seven, So that's.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I was going lower, I was going to
higher on the rushes and lower on the the receptions.
Speaker 2: But and they're projecting more by yeah, so I mean
that significant amount more touches. So I kind of agree.
I think like that they're going to have to lean
on him more. He might be a really good value.
So I do think he can belong in there.
Speaker 3: There's not another back that they brought in either, So.
Speaker 2: Talk to me about Hampton and Henry then, because I
think you know Henry's that there's always that falling knife
and no receiving side. But he's just a freaking beast.
And you know, obviously, like we saw Mike McDaniel run
an offense that was like so primary running and they
want to yeah. And then the Chargers this past year
we all thought was going to be heavy run because
of Harbaugh, and then they were like the most pass heavy.
They kind of like digged when we when you know,
we thought they would zag. And then now you get
McDaniels back in and they have Hampton. So I'm guessing
for you that push, I mean, you are your ECR.
Not to again focus on your ranks here, but like
you you're with consensus here, and but you're also saying
he belongs in a tier above like with Barkley.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean I think that you know, he
missed eight games and that's a big chunk of this season.
So obviously there's still.
Speaker 2: A lot one points per game. Sorry, I just jumped
on you more points per game than Sekwon Barkley. It's
I mean to be fair. I guess Josh Jacobs had
fifteen point eight, Derek Henry had sixteen point four, Hiren
fifteen point five.
Speaker 3: That's a good total, like it shows that he belongs
in that mix on a game in the game basis.
So I think it's it's a smart thing to point out.
And you know, he's a primary back and they they
have focused on fixing the old line. It wasn't it
didn't pass a lot just because they needed to write
they did, but they also just didn't have a good
running back and a good enough O line to block,
and they didn't have could enough O line to block
for passing or rushing last year. So it should just
be much improved. And I think Mike McDaniel's scheme, uh
specifically going with Hampton because no one is in his
ballpark in this backfield either.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, I think the bigger controversy for the Chargers
backfield for me is that people are putting Mitchell ahead
of Videll, and I don't agree with that at all.
I think Widell is a better running back than Keith Mitchell.
But I think Hampton is the bread winner here by
a lot. That's why I have him as an RB one,
That's why I have him in another tier. I think
McDaniel is going to make him a star this year,
and he's going to be right in that group. And
I might I may even be low on him.
Speaker 2: We can take a look at that. Projection wise, Hampton
is actually the twelfth projected running back here, just under
Saquon and Josh Jacobs. But it is RB one. I mean,
he's ten on ECR, so we can't really like argue
too much. I don't think no.
Speaker 3: I mean, and what do we know about We have
no idea how many games Shakers is going to play.
Speaker 2: No, no, I agree with that. But now I'm saying
is like his ECR is ten, so like top twelve.
Speaker 3: Well, what I'm saying is that like just for any doubt,
he even in projections, he's in HIG I gotcha.
Speaker 2: That's all his projections. Essentially, it's like almost two fifty
rushing attemps. I'm just kind of like rounding around fifty catches,
so it's just south of three hundred total touches. It's
around fourteen hundred total yards, a little over one thousand rushing,
around three to fifty receiving. The touchdowns are really nice though,
because they're projecting over twelve. It's like roughly it's like
almost twelve and a half on that side. When you
look at the ranks, though, this is interesting. What do
you think the high and what do you think the
low is?
Speaker 3: Oh, it's the high is going to be high, like four.
Speaker 2: There's one person that has him at five and you
do a lot of shows with him.
Speaker 3: Oh is it Pat?
Speaker 2: No, it's not Pat.
Speaker 3: Is it worm?
Speaker 2: It's not worm? It is said that is Deeth Wilcock
Seth Wilcock hasm as the highest ranker on Fantasy pros
at number five, and then there's a little group at six,
and then it looks like seven and eight really opens
up the tiering there you have him at ten on
there and then what do you think the low is?
Speaker 3: Like sixteen?
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna excuse there's this one person, the same
person when we did the McCaffrey one ranks. I'm gonna
ignore this person because they have an insane rank on him,
So getting rid of that. Two people have Omario and
Hampton at eighteen, Nick Vodiford and Louke Brunson, and then
there's one sixteen Kyle Stot from Pro Football Network. So
there are some wild He seems like a very polarizing
player of some big names low, big names high. I
kind of want to shoot for the stars.
Speaker 3: I understand. I understand like there are solid names below
him that have consistently put up numbers and not been insured.
So I understand that thought process. But I watched him
too much in college, and I like this landing spot
of Mike McDaniel here. I just there's too much positive
for me to not be happy about Hampton this year.
Speaker 2: What about Jeremiah Love. There's a couple guys in here,
Jeremiah Love. Obviously, we only have like college to work
off of. He is projected as a fourteenth running back.
It is roughly fifteen hundred total yards round nine touchdowns,
little south of three hundred total touches. He has projected
more points in half PPR than kyn Williams ken Walker
Javonta Williams, but he is below our Boy Hampton and
Breisee Hall.
Speaker 3: So Jeremiah Love is tough for me. And it's funny
because we're talking about I think buying Blake Korum on
the Dynasty show, and then it got put on social
media and then someone was like, I want the people
for this year that have Jeremiah Love behind. Was Kyran
Williams and somebody else and it was like four people
and I was one of them that I had Jeremiah
Love behind Kyen and I think it was Chase per
this year or for this year or no, no for
this year, because they it was someone misinterpreting a Dynasty
talking point as a you know, this year talking point.
But you know, it's a fair question because I do
have Kyene I head of both those guys. But I
think my ranking of Jeremiah Love is a little cowardly
because I just am not one hundred percent sure how
they are going to mix this backfield?
Speaker 2: Do you not subscribe to the like, how in God's
name do you invest in a player at this cost
without assuming you were going to use the ever living
crap out of him.
Speaker 3: We just did that last year. We just did that
with Genty last year.
Speaker 2: He was the guy.
Speaker 3: It was just yeah, he was in a miserable offense.
Well are the car.
Speaker 2: I meant more like vert I wasn't.
Speaker 3: Sorry, Well okay, you're talking about the backfield. On the backfield, No, No,
Genty was the guy last year. But that's why everyone
was high on him. Well, there's nobody else there, blah
blah blah. There's guys there in Arizona, so you are
correct in that. Look. I still think he's gonna be
very good. I think I'm a little below ECR, but
I still have him as a high end RB two,
so he's still gonna be very good. My fear is
to use him between the twenties and they bring in
Tyler al Jier to punch it in and Jeremiah Love
doesn't get the touchdowns. That's basically my only thing, and
there's multiple ways to go about that as well. I
think James Connor's not on this roster by the time
we get to week one. I think he's in Green
Bay covering for Josh Jacobs or if any running back
gets hurt anywhere. James Connor is getting moved, but they
still have Algier and Benson, So it's a very deep room.
They know that they're not gonna win. They're very invested
this year, so I do wonder if they handle him
with kid gloves a little bit. And it's the Cardinals.
It's the worst organization in the NFL by a lot,
and they do things weird, So I'm I'm prepared for
some weirdness from Jeremiah Love. But I think my ranking
in the middle is either going to prove to be
too cowardly and he's going to finish in like the
top five or six, or he's going to finish like
RB twenty nine, you know what I mean. Like, I
don't think there's gonna be this middle area where he
is fifteen, So.
Speaker 2: I don't think. Yeah, I was about to say, like,
I don't think you're like, I don't think you have
a direction here, because like you're ranking him just about
where he is. I think you're just you seem like
you're gonna put him in the middle and you're indifferent
about it than having like, yeah, all in or all.
Speaker 3: Out correct, Yeah, which is fair. I don't think you
need to be all in or all out on everybody.
But uh, I would.
Speaker 2: Agree with that I think I think there's guys with
questions in here, like like, let's throw this out. There's
all different degrees here, but you have Jeremiah Love with
that offense and the running backs. You have I think
the ever going question of Kyron Williams in the usage
with a Blake Korum taking a step up Breece Halles.
They came out and said again they want to use it.
I mean, I guess we get this every year, but
their offense printally sucks. And then they just again said
like we want to use All the guys are the
Davis and they want to have a three headed monster.
That's a nightmare situation. Then you throw on top you've
got Josh Jacobs with like horrifically bad legal issues. I
look at all those situations and to me, there's kind
of a likeugh, like I don't I think there's different
varying degrees of questions that to me make it hard
to buy in. If anything, Kyen Williams is probably the
one I just say screw it because it doesn't matter.
Like Blake can get his touches. If Karen Williams gets
fifteen touches, he's gonna probably score two touchdowns due you know,
like I know they did use Blake and the goal
line and stuff like that, Like that would be the
one I think I would have the most confidence in.
Speaker 3: And the Rams. I mean, if they you know, they
just trade for Miles Garrett, if they also get Aaron
Donald to come out of retirement, they're gonna be running
the ball for the entire third and fourth quarter the game, four.
Speaker 2: And out, three and out on every team, and then
they're gonna just be handing the ball off. And I
hate the series thing, but the series still does provide, like,
especially if you have that killer of a defense and
you keep getting offense, that does provide a decent amount
of opportunities for Kyron. I want to be in on
Briee and I think there were.
Speaker 3: Fifteen hundred total yards and thirteen touchdowns.
Speaker 2: That's why I'm saying, like there's a question that follows him,
but like if you really like you just break it down,
like he's the guy. Let's like not fall over ourselves
about any type of split that they could go on,
or splitting series and stuff like that. I wanted to
be in all in Breee, but that offense is just ugh.
Speaker 3: And then Okay, you're right about the offense for sure,
because Gino sucks, right, But even I'll say that Gino
is better than Brady Cook what they had last year, right,
But I do think Kate klube Nick starts at least
six or seven games for this team. Like, maybe you
give Geno ten before you hand it over to clube Nick,
just to see what he has. But you have to write,
Gino is not the future of your team. Let's get
half a seat. He's in a clude Nick learning before
he put him in there. He had a ton of
starts at Clemson, so let's see what he has. But
I also will never ever ever buy into we're gonna
give a bunch of touches to Braylan Allen because they
don't he's not as good as Breese Hall. They give
touches to Brayleen Allen. Breese Hall's hurt, and I don't care.
I have breeseall ahead of Jeremi Love by one spot.
It's not by a ton. But I'm just not coming
off of that until they end up doing it. And
they didn't do it last year, and they're not gonna
do it. Breesol is a better back. They're like, oh,
Braylen Allen's two hundred fifty pounds, just like Derrick Henry.
Who cares there's one Derrick Henry. If Derrick Henry was,
you know, a prototypical back, there'll be more Derrick Henry's
there aren't. He's a freak of nature. Braylan Allen is
not Derrick Henry. Maybe he falls into the goal line,
like maybe you change their roles that way. I can
see that. I just don't see a scenario where you're
giving half the carries to Braileer to Breeze and then
half to Braylin and Isaiah Davis. It's going to be
three quarters to Breece and a quarter to everybody else.
And I just think that is going to be it
until Breeze is old.
Speaker 2: So the last one to talk about is Kenneth Walker.
The major change of scenery of the guys on this list,
and he's actually one of the lower projected players of
these I'm not kind of Javante is at the bottom.
Guess what he's at the bottom. But like versus where
ken Walker is being ranked versus the projections, it's two
hunred and twenty five points. It's under Kyrien Williams it's
under Jeremiah Love, it's under Breee Hall. He is projected
roughly for seeing I fucking do math. I guess around
fifteen hundred yards, which seems relatively aggressive, some decent catches,
and about nine touchdowns. You're kind of lower in your
rank on him, The projections are kind of lower. What
is the hesitation on especially you? You've always been like, he's
so talented and da da d. Now he's in like
this offense, which does have questions of like Pat Mahomes
playing day one and everything, but he's finally like the
back in an offense. It's like unreal, what what is
your hesitation?
Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you this first. What is the
most touches Kenneth Walker's had in a season? Welsh? Do
you know?
Speaker 2: Say it again?
Speaker 3: The most touches that Kenneth Walker's had in a season.
Speaker 2: Oh, three hundred and fifteen.
Speaker 3: Not even close five he can't, he is, that's the most.
And that was his rookie season when he played fifteen games,
he started eleven. He played seventeen games. Last year he
had two hundred and fifty two touches, you know, and
he wasn't He is not a guy that can stay
healthy with a full workload. He has proven that bit
to us at least. Right. I love Kenneth Walker unbelievably talented.
He doesn't need all the touches, he doesn't need volume.
He's just like a chan in that he can be
productive without all those touches. Right. But I think with
what they paid him, the fact that there's not a
lot on this depth chart with experience a running back
behind him, unless they do what they always do and
sign Kareem Hunt again, like right before camp or in
the middle of camp, so he doesn't have to do
it because he's one hundred. There's no one with experience.
Here's for Shard Smith, who moved to running back after
playing three years of wide receiver at SMU before coming
in the NFL, so he had one year of running
back under his belt before last year. And then Emma Johnson,
who is a very good rookie, but you know he
has no NFL experience. So I think Kenneth Walker's gonna
have too many touches too early. And what do we
just talk about Saquon right, Saquon in that big playoff run.
Kenneth Walker just had a massive playoff run. And he
had all of the carries because Sharbone got hurt in
their first game and went out for the year. So
you know, it was all Kenneth Walker in the playoffs.
He had all those carries, He played deep, and they
just paid him a boatload of money. We don't know
if Patrick Mahomes is going to be there to start
the season. They're going to rely on the running game early,
which I hate for Kenneth Walker to get to the
finish line healthy. So there is just at eleven, there
is no world in where I am drafting Kenneth Walker.
I think that I'm hoping to talk people off this
ledge to push him to an RB two. I don't
think we're gonna get him there, like a middle of
the pack RB two as well, not RB thirteen or fourteen.
So I just think he's you know, because of his
playoff run and because he signed with the Chiefs, who
everybody loves. I think he's going to be overvalued going
into this year, and I'm not doing it.
Speaker 2: Eighteen through twenty five. This is the Tier four. You've
got Travis et In at eighteen now with the New
Orleans Saints, Bucky Irving at nineteen, Cam Scattabu with twenty
quin Shawn Jutkins, DeAndre Swift now with Chicago's been with
Trevion Henderson, Dave Montgomery now with the Houston Texans, and
Bachelle Tooton. So that is eighteen through twenty five that
gets us through. Like the RB two territory last season,
only two of these guys went over a thousand rushing yards,
that is Eten and DeAndre Swift. Only three of these
guys had over two hundre rushing attempts, that is et
and Quinchawn Jutkins and DeAndre Swift. Maybe not fair to
like skyto Sktta Boo would have projected if he was
there the whole season, If Bucky Irving, you know, had
played the majority of the season, he would have gotten there.
Nobody had double digit rushing touchdowns. You had only one player.
The highest per game Fantasy points per game was Travis Eten.
Out of this group, that even is higher than Bucky Irving.
Downdry Swift was next closest. Obviously bas Schell Tuton was
the lowest on a per game basis. When you look
at the receiving side, it's not nothing impressive. Travis Eten
was probably the most dominant with Traveon Henderson. Trevian has
kind of faded away again. Most receiving touchdowns came from
from Eten as well. Everybody else was relatively low. So
that's the group here, you know, not trying to speed
around here so we can get one more in here.
But you know, it's a it's a really interesting group.
Where do you think the separators lie? I mean, you've
got you don't have anything insane differentials. You don't seem
to be on the Tutin bandwagon. I know that's kind
of a big one that's at the bottom here. You're
quite a bit different than ECR as far as like
I guess technically about RB three's but it just feels
like you're off because you're into the thirties. But you're
pretty close on the majority of these guys. What stands out.
I'd love to get your take on Bucky Irving specifically
and Trevon Henderson. But where are you at with this ECR?
And then I'll give a couple of projections.
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna be high on both of those guys.
I have Bucky and Etn in the above tier, so
I have them in the tier with Walker, Javonte Jacobs
in all those guys. So I'm still in al Bucky
and ETN. I think ETM moving to New Orleans is
great for him. I think, you know, a lot like Connor,
Kamara's you know, role with the team is in massive
question going in if they keep Kamara, I will admit
that'll hurt ETN to me. And if Kamara is healthy, like,
let's just let's just get an update on Kamara. So
I want to know what is the plan with him?
What do they think his role is going to be,
not just he's on the roster and he's playing for us.
You know, let's let's hear something there. Bucky. Bucky's more difficult.
I understand people not liking Bucky, specifically after Todd Bowles's
most recent comments of yeah, he'll be back in the
winter or fall or summer or like whatever it was.
I think he said he'll be back in the summer
or fall, which is okay, Well, those are two very
different things, yea. Yeah. So but I'll say this about Bucky.
Every single time I've doubted him, he's proved me wrong. Right.
I loved him going into the draft, had the bad
Combine had the small size. People started fading him, and
I moved him down a little bit, came back awesome.
Rookie season proved me wrong last year when Bucky's coming back,
I said, I don't know. I think you have Rashad White,
you have Tucker, They're probably gonna ease Bucky back in. Nope,
here's Bucky with like twenty touches his first came back.
So I feel like I'm not doubting Bucky. I still
think he's better than Gainwell, who I love. I like
Gainwell is great for the Steelers this year. I don't
think that he is Bucky, but I think he's of
the same vein, and you get him to be the
replacement or change a pace or whatever it is. Yeah,
in case Bucky's not available. But Henderson I'm high on
as well. I do have him in the next tier,
in this tier that we're talking about, and I have
at the very top of it at twenty. I know
that the Patriots guys don't agree with me, Joe, I
think Joe and Ericson and I think debro as well,
all like Remandre because they don't think the role is
going to change that much. I just think it is.
I think Henderson is going to be a much better back.
He said he's working on catching the ball and pass blocking,
which were his two big faults last year. I think
if he pass blocks better, he's gonna get more receptions.
I think that A J. Brown opening up the offense,
you know, gives him less eight man boxes and more
room to work in. I think this is all great
for Traveon Henderson moving forward. So those three guys I'm
gonna be I think higher than ecr on all.
Speaker 2: There's the interesting thing. All those players you mentioned are
not the player with the highest projections in half PPR.
It's Davida scam Cataboo is the number one projected in
half PPR with one thousand rushing yards around three hundred
and fifty receiving, so just shy of fourteen hundred yards
forty five catches, but projected for it looks like eleven touchdowns,
eight rushing, just under three receiving. Kind of a low. Actually,
it's like the lowest rushing attempt total. Every player above
him has arguably a ton more, and like the next
you know, long collection of these five or six players
have a higher projected rush attempt total but yeah, Cam
is highest. Travis zten is under that a lot less
projected touchdowns, you know, three and a half receiving, five
and a half rushing. The yards are over fourteen hundred.
Speaker 3: So there.
Speaker 2: Bucky comes in next, and then Swift, Judkins and touton Tuton.
You know you have in the thirties. Tuton is above
Travion and the projections above David Montgomery above quite a
few other players. Tuton is projected for looks like trying
to do matth here, like eleven fifty but ten touchdowns,
ten plus touchdowns on base shell Tuton. So just throwing
that out there for a weird grouping of players, and
then the final group. It's a big old collection that
we're going to talk about here. I can mention a
few other names after, but we'll just pick a couple guys.
At twenty six. You got Jalen Warren. Pittsburgh Steelers situation
is always interesting because they have another Steeler in here,
Rico Dowdell that he's going to deal with. Twenty seven,
Your dude, Jendarium Price Chuba Hubbard at twenty eight. The
Carolina situations. I see Tony Pollard at twenty nine reminder
Stevenson at thirty then there comes Rico Dowdell, R. J. Harvey.
There's a lot of Denver Broncos conversation to be had
as well as, like you know, Dobbins returning and you
know him being healthy out the gates maybe versus Harvey.
But I'm gone at thirty three, corm at thirty four, JK.
Dobbins at thirty five, gain Well at thirty six in
Tampa Bay, and Aaron Jones at thirty seven. Of all
of those players that I just mentioned, I believe Rico
Dowdell has the highest projections of anybody bogs higher than
David Montgomery, which I'm actually surprised about. Rico Dawdell is
projected for more points than Price Montgomery, Warren Pollard Stevenson
nine hundred and fifty rushing yards, two hundred and thirty
nine receiving, so you know, you're close to like twelve
hundred total yards, about eight touchdowns, thirty three catches, and
that is projected more than Dave Montgomery. So a I
feel like we're in a weird world to Dave Montgomery
because I'm going to be higher like you. But what
do you think about Rico Dowdell as the top dog
in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3: Ah, I don't like it. I'm gonna avoid the Pittsburgh
backfield this year because again, you know, I have Warren
ahead of Dowdell, but I have I'm at twenty seven
and twenty nine, So what does that tell you? That
tells you. I don't really know how they're going to
break this out. I think, you know, McCarthy coming in
and signing a guy that he's coached before, should say
that Rico Daddle will have more of the touches. But
just like we talked about with Bucky, every single time,
I think Jalen Warren's gonna get pushed out of the way.
He never does Nase he didn't push him out of
the way. Caleb Johnson didn't push him out of the way.
You know, Kenneth Gainwell played a similar role to him
and got a lot of touches last year, but Jalen
Warren also got a little bit banged up. He's undersized,
but he is also underappreciated. Jalen Warren and I think
that they're going to eat into each other. So I'm
just I'm gonna be higher on Montgomery and Swift and
Cam and Judkins and even Schuba I have over both
of them, so engineering Price. So I'm just not investing
in the Steelers backfield because I don't know which way
it's going to go. If we get more tea leaves
during you know, training camp and all of that, then great,
I just don't think we're going to So I think
it's going to be fairly split, and I do not
agree with that projection on Rico Daddle at all.
Speaker 2: I do think, I guess I don't agree with it
from a like being over Montgomery and maybe Price standpoint.
I don't think I hate it or anything. I think
it's going to be like Nause and Jalen and it's
just like Rico's gonna come in. They're probably gonna do
some If it's serious splitting, it'll be Warren coming down,
coming in on like third downs and stuff like that.
I think the projected totals they might just eat into
each other. Jenderium Price is projected higher than David Montgomery,
just under Rico Daddle. I know you're big in on
him if you want to give a quick thing. Obviously,
they've got to figure out if it's going to be
him or Halani, But it sounds like Jerem Price is
going to have all the runway to potentially take this
and he's just super super explosive.
Speaker 3: Right right, And we don't really know the ceiling of
Jendarium Price because he's behind Jeremiah Love at Notre Dame.
So you're not taking Jeremiah Love off the field. You
know what you have in him. And Jeremiah Love said,
I think Price can do everything I can. I think
he's just as good as me, is what he said.
I don't know if I buy that, but I think
Janeering Price is a really good back. He landed in
a great situation. Again. This is a Super Bowl team
that has a killer defense that is running a lot late,
and your other option until sharbon A comes back is
George Hallanier Emmanuel Wilson. So it's going to be a
lot of Jerum Price to start and just if you're
looking for down the road, charbon A's UFA after this year.
So Jenerium Price is the long term and short term
answer for the Seahawks in my opinion. So I'm gonna
have a lot of shares to Jendarium.
Speaker 2: Probably the most interesting guys outside of this, I have
a question for you. I'm going to ask, is you've
got the Washington situation of a Rashad White versus j
Cory Krossky merrit If you get that right, you're paying
outside the top thirty six running backs Jordan Mason. When
you look at the Minnesota situation as always like he's
a guy that could jump over. I think there's some
upside potential there, Chris Rodriguez if you want to be
fair with the weird stuff with touton, like Rodriguez could
be a touchdown hound. And Jonathan Brooks, if he's actually healthy,
that's one of those weird ones that can float out there.
But let me ask you, you're you're welcome to throwing
that group that we just talked about, like maybe once
we start thirty plus, who are two guys that you
think early on are mispriced thirty plus that are outside
the top thirty so you know, I mean, I clearly
can see like Aaron Jones on your ranks might be
one of those. But if you want to go even deeper,
where do you think there are two I'm going to
say mispriced up and then I'm going to ask you
after about downs.
Speaker 3: I don't know thirty m below on ECR You're as
is not high?
Speaker 2: That is not high enough? Yeah, because then I'm going
to ask you the negative after Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't really like the situations that you
were talking about before. So miss price is in too low.
I mean it's probably Aaron Jones, who is you know,
still low but still looking to be the number one.
Now I'll make an argument. I'll skip right over Jordan
Mason and I'll make an argument for my guy dem
and Claiborne that got drafted in the sixth round by them.
Speedback fits perfectly for what Minnesota does in my opinion,
very very fast, great between the tackles for a small guy,
and you know they just they pass so much. With
Koc and with a better quarterback this year as well.
I think he's gonna face a lot of light boxes.
But I think the one that I'm getting the most
pushback on is Jacory krossky Merritt. That is the guy
that has been and I think because I'm not in
on Jacory krossky Merritt, maybe one of the most underrated
players is gonna be ka Tron Allen.
Speaker 2: So I thought you were having him. Oh, so you
just went to the down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I just went to the down to go
to the ka Tron Allen is one of the guys
that I think is the most underrated this year because
he's a rookie and because he was picked late and
people love Jacory Krossky Marrion Jakoi krossky Merritt was fine.
I just don't think that he is. I think he's
a receiving back, right. I don't think he's a guy
that can carry a full workload for you. I don't
know who ky Troon Allen is either, but I think
he's a first second down back. And yesterday David Blouse
said we're looking or I think as Anthony Lynn, the
Ryning Backs coach, said, we're looking to replace Chris Rodriguez
with k Tron Allen, which means a lot of touchdowns
with Jayde Daniels back running that offense. Remember Jane Daniels
all the way healthy and the Commanders went to the
AF the NFC title game, So.
Speaker 2: Very crosskey Merrit is not going to be receiving back
when Rashad White is on your team.
Speaker 3: So I don't know. That's what another reason why I
don't like Bill. Right, Oh, so you're just like strictly okay, okay, yeah, yeah,
I'm out on Bill. But it's Kate Tron Allen is
the guy I'm trying to highlight here because I think
he has first second down ability. He has touchdown ability
for sure, especially over Bill and Uh, I think Rashad
White is your receiving back. So I don't understand why
everyone is obsessed with Bill. Now it could be Bill
as the first second down guy and then Rashad White
as your.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of what I'm getting at, Like they
could be the play.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that will be the play. And I
think Rashad White probably runs out of you know, Wide
Receiver a lot because they just don't have a lot
of help there out behind Terry McLaurin. We'll get into
that on the Wide Receiver show. But I just don't
like that backfield. So I think Kate Jon Allen's going
to be a dart I throw. I think Devin Claiborne
is going to be a dart I throw a lot
of times. So more so than like I know some
people like Singleton, I don't like him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe not going that that deep is on
the inverse of guys that you think are miss priced
too high.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know why. Uh, Jonathan Brooks is all
the way up at forty four, right, and you know
the dude toy the same knee twice. So I just
let me see something in preseason before I spike him,
Everyone's putting him right behind Cuba immediately. I just don't
think so that's why I'm high on Cuba. I don't
think there's going to really be a second guy behind him.
Might be Trevor Or, you know, Jonathan Brooks not looking
as good as he did coming out of college. You know,
if Jonathan Brooks came back and looked like he did
at Texas, he would be better than Chuba. I just
don't think we're getting that guy towards knee twice. So Brooks,
I think I'm a little confused by I'm a little
confused by the Ramandrie Stevens in love. I just think
that's a sinking ship and you should get off of
it pretty quickly. So outside of that, I don't think
I'm too negative on other guys in this group.
Speaker 2: There you go. That is the look ECR. You can
check it out over on Fantasy Pros. That is the
expert consensus rank, an aggregate rank of almost fifty rankers already.
Bogman's included in that a bunch of the fantasy pros people.
I have not submitted mine yet, but that creates kind
of an aggregate rank, and that's like a good baseline.
You know. It's definitely not necessarily what the ADP is
going to be on sites, they'll have that information, but
it you know what early people ranks are are going
to help generate early habits, and then you're gonna see
kind of that that hive mind situation that happens. But
you want to understand, like what the landscape of running
backs look like before we get into a heavy analysis
of what our ranks are going to be. That gives
you some projections, That gives you some early just outlook,
and that is going to get us to wide receivers.
That's what's gonna happen on the next one, where we'll
be doing this same exact situation with the wide outs.
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