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<v Speaker 1>Get ready for.

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<v Speaker 2>November one, twenty twenty four, allegedly according to that thing

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<v Speaker 2>we call a calendar, or November first, if you like

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<v Speaker 2>to say it that way. This is a Friday night

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<v Speaker 2>on the Ocelli Effect. And it's a little bit after

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<v Speaker 2>eight pm Eastern. Looks like it's about almost nine minutes

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<v Speaker 2>past the hour of the of eight pm in what

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<v Speaker 2>we used to call America in the Eastern time zone.

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<v Speaker 2>But whoever you are, wherever you are, your experience could vary. Anyhow,

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully we'll have people joining us. Doesn't look like a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people are listening to the stream yet have

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<v Speaker 2>gone into the chat room, etc. Makes you wonder what

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<v Speaker 2>else it is I need to eliminate here, because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to start eliminating some of the things that you

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<v Speaker 2>guys are not utilizing. The chat room I keep just

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<v Speaker 2>for that handful of people that go in there and

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<v Speaker 2>live chat.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, do I need it? Do I need that?

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<v Speaker 2>Do I need to even live broadcast anymore? Well, this

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<v Speaker 2>show doesn't exist without live broadcast. And you calling in

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<v Speaker 2>at three one nine, five, two seven, five zero one

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<v Speaker 2>six three one nine five two seven five zero one

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<v Speaker 2>six And just for the record, we are exactly three

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<v Speaker 2>weeks away from when I'm going to Dallas, so I'll

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<v Speaker 2>be off for about a week there and be there

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<v Speaker 2>on the weekend of the twenty second of the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>fourth uh as the MC for the Lancer conference. But uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and when I returned from there, I'm really hoping that

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to have a much more steady flow of

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<v Speaker 2>guess and maybe a bit more consistency on the internet,

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<v Speaker 2>because despite the fact that I pay one of the

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<v Speaker 2>most ridiculous internet bills that I can even imagine or conjure,

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<v Speaker 2>guess what, my internet has been down.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot lately.

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<v Speaker 2>We lost it for fourteen hours, we lost it for

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<v Speaker 2>nine hours, we lost it for and there's been outages

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<v Speaker 2>in the area, which is weird. Here also did not

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<v Speaker 2>hear extra outside of the original one, two, three, four

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<v Speaker 2>people had problems with their payroll recently, All simultaneously. Somebody's

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<v Speaker 2>payroll got jacked up, and there's different explanations for it everywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>but payroll checks were delayed for a short time period.

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<v Speaker 2>There seems like that trend might have ended, or I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just lucky enough to know four people at the very

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<v Speaker 2>same time who are not connected to each other. In

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<v Speaker 2>any way, shape or form that coincidentally experienced a problem

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<v Speaker 2>with their payroll. How about this, though, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>hear if you guys are experiencing outages with your internet?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that going on?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it happened a few times on the overnight,

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<v Speaker 2>which I thought was strategic and might be a time

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<v Speaker 2>when they do occasionally do maintenance, take it offline for

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<v Speaker 2>a couple hours, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>Etc.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's getting weird out, folks. I'm really seeing coordination

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<v Speaker 2>in a lot of ways. Hey, speaking of coordination and

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<v Speaker 2>things that rhyme with it, how about the contest for

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<v Speaker 2>the executive branch and the nation.

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<v Speaker 1>The heart of the nation, the soul of it all?

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<v Speaker 2>And Trump in a garbage truck this week with his

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<v Speaker 2>logo on the side of not kidding a garbage truck?

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<v Speaker 1>Was that this week or last? You know, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting all mixed up here between Internet outages and

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<v Speaker 2>the weirdness of it all.

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<v Speaker 1>Why did he do that?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, because Biden said something about Trump's supporters being garbage.

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<v Speaker 2>What is he even talking about, by the way, and

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<v Speaker 2>why is anybody even bothering to pay attention? Really, don't

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<v Speaker 2>you just kind of I don't know, quietly dismiss Grandpa

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<v Speaker 2>after a while when he's gone over to the other

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<v Speaker 2>side of reality.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that usually what happens?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, just wait for him to make his way

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<v Speaker 2>out of the house and to the home.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Maybe it's just me.

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<v Speaker 2>And isn't it strange that the campaign commercials are getting weirder,

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<v Speaker 2>rhetoric getting harsher, rallies are happening, and oh, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>it should all be over this coming Tuesday, but I

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<v Speaker 2>doubt it will be. Everybody seems to agree with one thing,

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<v Speaker 2>even though we're going to finish up with this selection

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<v Speaker 2>on Tuesday night sometime probably early in the morning, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're already telling us exactly what percentage of results can

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<v Speaker 2>be reported by what time of day, so that people

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<v Speaker 2>can get this straight and realize that even though the

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<v Speaker 2>TV tells you something, projects the winners and all of

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't mean they have all the data, access to

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<v Speaker 2>the votes, or any idea what's going on. With the

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<v Speaker 2>exception of a very small fraction, they take samples of

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<v Speaker 2>the voters and figure out how they voted. Speaking of samples,

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<v Speaker 2>B Pete might want to talk to us, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to talk to be pete even if you guys

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<v Speaker 2>don't call in about samples and hey, what's going on

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<v Speaker 2>with this polling data which has it set at neck

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<v Speaker 2>and neck Kamala and the fever dream of those that

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<v Speaker 2>believe God has sent us the orange savior that versus

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<v Speaker 2>that Trump versus the communist, which kind of sounds like

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<v Speaker 2>Kamala communist, you know, almost works. But also blame her

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<v Speaker 2>for Joe Biden. She let it happen, she was there,

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<v Speaker 2>she could have spoke up, and she agrees with him anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't change a thing that Joe Biden did.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>And oh, by the way, the campaign commercial that's out

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<v Speaker 2>there that basically says Kamala wants to give people who

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<v Speaker 2>are incarcerated sex change operations? Indeed, that's out there. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a real thing. Who's crazier? Who's worse for the nation?

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<v Speaker 2>Which is the lesser of two evils?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you staying tuned? Do you care?

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<v Speaker 2>Or are you exhausted? You want to talk about something else.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to tell me what happened the last time

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<v Speaker 2>you bought a jar of peanut butter and it sucked?

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<v Speaker 2>You want to tell me about the shrink flation when

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<v Speaker 2>you tried to buy devil Dogs. The lines are open

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<v Speaker 2>three one nine, five two seven five zero one six.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the number to call. Three one nine, five two

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<v Speaker 2>seven five zero one six. And oh, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>you could message me on Skype. I'll try to join

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<v Speaker 2>you in. And I have a co host and hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>he's gonna help me through this week a lot, because

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<v Speaker 2>what was it last week? We had rotating coos. I

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<v Speaker 2>had to squeeze four people into that slot for either

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<v Speaker 2>a few minutes or a half hour at a time.

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<v Speaker 2>We had let's see, let's think about this regular Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Captain trips Jimmy James. And then at the tail end

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<v Speaker 2>of the show, B Pete rejoined us co hosts across

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<v Speaker 2>the board last time. But this time I got the

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<v Speaker 2>man who's been doing this with me for a few years,

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<v Speaker 2>and I want to check in with him right now.

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<v Speaker 1>How you doing, Bpete? What's on your mind this week?

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know, I probably didn't do the headlines

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<v Speaker 2>justice at all, but I tried.

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<v Speaker 1>What's on your mind? What do you think we should

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<v Speaker 1>be talking about? How are you?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing good? It seems like we're getting another blast

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<v Speaker 3>of summer here. We've had these unusually film temperatures for

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<v Speaker 3>this time of year. But it's been very, very enjoyable

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<v Speaker 3>and other than battling the flu here for about four

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<v Speaker 3>days five days, but.

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<v Speaker 4>It's been pretty good.

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<v Speaker 3>But the headlines and i'll tell you what, they're all

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<v Speaker 3>over the place. Oh, I'm just scanning one site right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Just look at it. Headlines and what's going on wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>Really kind of amazing how chaotic things have gotten here

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<v Speaker 3>in the past same year, all over the place.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, the big thing here is the election.

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<v Speaker 3>They're running stories where first of the week, Commona started

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<v Speaker 3>pulling their ad money out of this state the minute

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<v Speaker 3>that this state was called in favor of one person

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<v Speaker 3>outside of the margin of error, they pulled ads. They

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<v Speaker 3>pulled a lot of their money out. But you've got

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<v Speaker 3>dnc AD money that's coming in and helping to fill

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<v Speaker 3>some of the gaps because it's still NonStop political ads

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<v Speaker 3>day and night. But I did see something on Sunday

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<v Speaker 3>that really really surprised him. Was a Sunday No, it

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<v Speaker 3>was Tuesday, battling the flu. I was up with a

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<v Speaker 3>fever and it was three o'clock in the morning, and

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<v Speaker 3>I turned on CBS and I saw an ad dealing

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<v Speaker 3>with abortion, which was very graphic, and I didn't see

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<v Speaker 3>the beginning of the ad. When I cut on the TV,

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<v Speaker 3>the ad had just started and they've got text running

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<v Speaker 3>and a voiceover and picked of aborted fetuses in this,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm thinking, what the hell? So I hit the

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<v Speaker 3>channel identifier and it showed I was on the seat

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<v Speaker 3>of my local CBS station. And at the very end

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<v Speaker 3>of the ad comes a disclaimer on the screen that says,

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<v Speaker 3>CBS is required to show this advertisement because of law

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<v Speaker 3>such and such, such and such on political advertising. We

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<v Speaker 3>do not agree with this. And apparently I didn't know

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<v Speaker 3>it until I saw the ad again, like three o'clock

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<v Speaker 3>in the morning. Every round, you're going to see the

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<v Speaker 3>same commercial for probably two hours. They put a disclaimer

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<v Speaker 3>before the ad saying that they're forced to put this

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<v Speaker 3>on because it's political speech.

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<v Speaker 2>And now see I I saw that ad, and I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't catch one at the end because I wasn't watching CB.

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<v Speaker 2>It was CBS that said at the end, also, is

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<v Speaker 2>that right?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>This yeah, CBS station. But I looked for it online.

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<v Speaker 3>I did a search on I thought I can't believe this,

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<v Speaker 3>So I immediately want to get my computer on. I

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<v Speaker 3>go and search ABC was running it. They put the

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<v Speaker 3>same disclaimer up before and after the ad.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, well, I don't know where it is.

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<v Speaker 3>It's amazing, it's you know, when have you ever seen

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<v Speaker 3>a TV station since the rules changed on Equal Access?

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<v Speaker 4>I've never seen those TV.

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<v Speaker 3>Station put up a disclaimer before political ad before. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess it was because of the images that were

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<v Speaker 3>being shown and wanted to disassociate themselves from it. But

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<v Speaker 3>I have to admit the guy I forget even who

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<v Speaker 3>the character was that ranted.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll have to look at up. Let me find the

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<v Speaker 3>guy's name. Is one of the smaller parties.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you go ahead and look that up.

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<v Speaker 2>But I gotta tell you it's some pack that's out

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<v Speaker 2>there pushing the Hey, you don't want abortion.

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<v Speaker 1>To come back basically, you know, and you want it.

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<v Speaker 2>To be as restrictive as it is wherever you are,

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<v Speaker 2>and it should go away because and then they show

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<v Speaker 2>to horrible images which reminds me of the picket signs

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<v Speaker 2>that people used to go out with, you know, with

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<v Speaker 2>the giant pictures of like mangled fetuses that they would

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<v Speaker 2>have outside of the clinics. It's that kind of thing. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>where I saw it, there was no post ad disclaimer

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<v Speaker 2>where I saw it, But everywhere consistently, I'm told, and

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<v Speaker 2>it said to me on.

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<v Speaker 1>Some article I read about it, that everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a disclaimer that runs before the ad, and

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<v Speaker 2>the reason why is supposedly because the images are horrific.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't want to restrict it because then they're being

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<v Speaker 2>told they're restricting, you know, free speech on somebody's.

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<v Speaker 1>Behalf or whatever. But I was struck by the.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh yeah, yeah, like I think though, but that was

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<v Speaker 3>got to fill it. Well, today's standard is the newest

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<v Speaker 3>and if the ad buyer buys every consecutive commercial slot

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<v Speaker 1>Right now.

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<v Speaker 3>This guy I found it here, Randall Terry with the

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<v Speaker 4>Day, but it it startled me when I saw it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I thought, you know, I'm not I'm almost seventy

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, but.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just at three o'clock in the morning, and

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<v Speaker 4>Well, no, it's not.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that kind was shown during Jimmy Kim Alive on.

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<v Speaker 1>ABC right now.

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<v Speaker 2>That kind of thing only used to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>make it through on broadcast TV on guess where, PBS

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<v Speaker 2>right where they could show you stuff that was a

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<v Speaker 2>was educational. Even when I was a little kid, I

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<v Speaker 2>remember that open heart surgeries were literally shown on PBS,

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<v Speaker 3>And I remember this, it's back that was back when was

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<v Speaker 3>it baky? Was it the guy that did the surgery

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<v Speaker 3>those episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't remember all that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was an episode of Nova where I

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<v Speaker 2>first saw that, right, like Nova would show a documentary

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<v Speaker 2>and you know you've seen the JFK Nova thing from.

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<v Speaker 1>Eighty eight and all that.

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<v Speaker 2>Here, let me get a little bit of actual history,

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<v Speaker 2>because I was wrong to say that the fairness doctrine

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<v Speaker 2>went away in the seventies. I was incorrect, So I'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to correct it. And for this my source is

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<v Speaker 2>the Encyclopedia Britannica. Okay, fairness doctrine in the US all

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<v Speaker 2>Right Communications Policy nineteen forty nine, it was instituted, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was removed finally in nineteen eighty seven BPTE. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, and it's there's a whole thing on it

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<v Speaker 2>in the Reagan Library too. But let's look at the

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<v Speaker 2>Encyclopedia Britannica to define it and see what happened afterwards,

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<v Speaker 2>because apparently they talk about provisions, you know, during and

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<v Speaker 2>after anyway. Communications Commission the FCC required licensed radio and

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<v Speaker 2>television broadcasters to present fair and balanced coverage of controversial

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<v Speaker 2>issues of interest to their communities, including by granting equal

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<v Speaker 2>airtime to opposing candidates for public office. Now, let me

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<v Speaker 2>pause there and tell you that this came up when

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<v Speaker 2>I had John Barbera on the show many times, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Why because he noted that if he had the Republican

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<v Speaker 2>in California, he would also have to have anybody else

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<v Speaker 2>on to talk who made it onto the ballot. And indeed,

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<v Speaker 2>in those days, that included if there was a guy

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<v Speaker 2>from the Nazi Party who gathered enough signatures, he had

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<v Speaker 2>to allow a Nazi to come on his show and

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<v Speaker 2>give their viewpoints. Here, you know, with the National Socialist Party,

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<v Speaker 2>this is what I'd like to implement as governor of California.

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<v Speaker 1>He would have to allow that by law. Indeed, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that was part of what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Garrison won his arguments for when they gave him equal

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<v Speaker 2>time over a controversial issue of public interest, and they

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<v Speaker 2>allowed him to respond to NBC's White Paper show, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and they gave him so you know all about that, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>The origins of the Fairness doctric lay in the Radio

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<v Speaker 2>Act of nineteen twenty seven, which limited radio broadcasting the

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<v Speaker 2>license broadcasters but mandated that the licenses serve the public interest.

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<v Speaker 2>The Federal Communications Act of nineteen thirty four supplanted the

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<v Speaker 2>Radio Act and created the FCC, the chief regulatory body

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<v Speaker 2>covering the US airwaves, with a mission to quote encouraged

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<v Speaker 2>the larger and more effective use of in the public

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<v Speaker 2>interest end quote. In nineteen forty nine, the Commission promulgated

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<v Speaker 2>a report in the Matter of Editorializing by Broadcast Licenses

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<v Speaker 2>that interpreted the public interest provisions of the Radio Act

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<v Speaker 2>and the Communications Act as a mandate to promote a

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<v Speaker 2>basic standard of fairness. That's in quotes, a basic standard

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<v Speaker 2>of fairness end quote. In broadcasting licensees had the duty

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<v Speaker 2>to devote airtime to fair and balanced coverage of controversial

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<v Speaker 2>issues that were of interest to their home communities. Individuals

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<v Speaker 2>who were the subject of editorials or who perceived themselves

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<v Speaker 2>to be the subject of unfair tax in news programming

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<v Speaker 2>were to be granted an opportunity to reply. See that's

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<v Speaker 2>the part that applied to Garrison. Also, candidates for public

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<v Speaker 2>office were entitled to equal airtime. In nineteen fifty nine,

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<v Speaker 2>a portion of the of Fairness Doctrine became US law

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<v Speaker 2>when Congress amended the Communications Act with the doctrine's mandate

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<v Speaker 2>of equal airtime for office seekers. The revised law recognized,

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<v Speaker 2>see there was another there was a law created. The

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<v Speaker 2>revised law recognized some exceptions to the equal airtime mandate,

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<v Speaker 2>but held that such exceptions did not annul licenses licensees

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<v Speaker 2>of quote conflicting views on issues of public interest. Now

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<v Speaker 2>I'm pausing from this Encyclopedia Britannica thing here to tell

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<v Speaker 2>you this. It was also interesting to me that for

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<v Speaker 2>many years, and for most of our lives, honestly, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>from this nineteen eighty seven ending of the fairness Doctrine,

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<v Speaker 2>there's still this requirement to serve the public interest, right

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<v Speaker 2>which broadcast radio stations and TV stations used to devote

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<v Speaker 2>some amount of airtime to these really ridiculous kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, five people want to see it. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>went off air TV stations they would play a program

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<v Speaker 2>where people would discuss stuff where they did allow these

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<v Speaker 2>other people on the air. They allowed opposing viewpoints to

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<v Speaker 2>show up when hardly anyone was watching. But technically speaking,

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<v Speaker 2>you could say they devoted part of their airtime to

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<v Speaker 2>important issues of public interest. Now that occurred, plus another

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<v Speaker 2>thing happened. Public service announcements became sort of mandatory. You'll

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<v Speaker 2>note that almost any licensed broadcaster always has some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of nonprofit or you know, just a charity kind of

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that they broadcast. You know, things that it's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>cash stuff where they had the kids singing. It's one

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<v Speaker 2>of the most awful, you know, recognized jingles out there.

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<v Speaker 2>You've heard that one, right, b Pete Wood seven seven

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<v Speaker 2>cars for kids. Okay, Well, those things end up being

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<v Speaker 2>mandated to some degree where even if you have you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a multi billion dollar you know, you got a huge

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<v Speaker 2>get you know, one hundred thousand dollars for every thirty

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<v Speaker 2>still would have to give it to them for a

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<v Speaker 3>And that was that was something I was familiar with

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<v Speaker 3>radio program. The fact that we had to run so

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<v Speaker 3>many PSAs an hour and then of a class time

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<v Speaker 3>yep in broadcasting was you know, commercial creation. So we

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<v Speaker 3>was basically going out there, write in the streat, find

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<v Speaker 3>PSAs over the year, right so they we would get

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<v Speaker 3>legitimate organization is to say, hey, as part of our project,

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<v Speaker 3>and insert your local chapter.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go.

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<v Speaker 4>Contact.

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<v Speaker 2>Now let's let's give her for instance here right, just

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<v Speaker 2>drunk driving was a huge issue in the nineteen nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>It was one of the big PSA issues. There were

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of different public service announcements out there, right, so

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<v Speaker 2>you had, you know, and also anti drug commercials, so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the whole this is your brain, this is

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<v Speaker 2>that was offered to people as a PSA.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, we're going.

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<v Speaker 2>To tell you this horrible story about this little girl

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<v Speaker 2>her and she had to live for twelve more hours

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<v Speaker 2>with her head sept you know, severed. Whatever they tell you,

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<v Speaker 2>a horrible story, don't drink and drive brought to you

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<v Speaker 2>by and then it would be you know, also in

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<v Speaker 2>favor of others against drum driving, that would be one

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<v Speaker 2>of the organizations you would contact, even if you created

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<v Speaker 2>the commercial, but rest assured if you go.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that was more to be honest, based on

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<v Speaker 3>what I'm seeing now, I almost think that when they

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<v Speaker 3>a government, the government a foot in the door if

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<v Speaker 3>they look at COVID in these things that were being

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<v Speaker 4>You see them.

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<v Speaker 3>I see them every morning before I go to work.

427
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<v Speaker 3>Get your COVID shot. You can get your COVID shot

428
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<v Speaker 3>and your flu shot at the same time. And they're

429
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<v Speaker 3>backed by government health organization. Yeah, but that's it's seat

430
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<v Speaker 3>belt laws. You know, when the seatbelt law came into effect,

431
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<v Speaker 3>we saw a lot of that. You know, this is

432
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<v Speaker 3>the image of the test, the crash test dummies flying

433
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<v Speaker 3>around on the inside of the car. This is why

434
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<v Speaker 3>we have seat belts. Blah blah blah blah blah.

435
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

436
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<v Speaker 3>I think that was a government's way of making sure

437
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<v Speaker 3>they had a wedge they could shove into any license

438
00:25:04.119 --> 00:25:06.440
<v Speaker 3>broadcaster that they could put their message out there and

439
00:25:06.519 --> 00:25:09.119
<v Speaker 3>call it a public service announcement. Well.

440
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<v Speaker 2>See, now some of these things are backed by government organizations, right,

441
00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:15.880
<v Speaker 2>brought to you by the National Safety Council or whatever.

442
00:25:16.839 --> 00:25:18.920
<v Speaker 2>And some of those things are, but others of them

443
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<v Speaker 2>are nonprofit five oh one C three right uh.

444
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

445
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<v Speaker 4>Like I'll give you an example.

446
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<v Speaker 3>We had to save the Lighthouse Foundation when they were

447
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<v Speaker 3>trying to get the money up to move the Hatteras

448
00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:37.400
<v Speaker 3>Lighthouse because the sea was encroaching on it. And that

449
00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:40.720
<v Speaker 3>was a huge project to jack this sucker up and

450
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<v Speaker 3>move it inland. It took them forever, but they did it.

451
00:25:45.519 --> 00:25:47.920
<v Speaker 3>But when they were trying to raise money, I sat

452
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<v Speaker 3>down and thought, okay, North Carolina Hatters Lighthouse.

453
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<v Speaker 4>That's one of our big tourist icons.

454
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<v Speaker 3>You see the marketing for the Hatters Lighthouse, you know

455
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<v Speaker 3>that's North Carolina Outer Banks. So James Taylor is from

456
00:26:02.680 --> 00:26:06.079
<v Speaker 3>North Carolina. He had a song called Whitehouse. I sat down,

457
00:26:06.559 --> 00:26:09.960
<v Speaker 3>put down the narration, used the song in the background,

458
00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:11.720
<v Speaker 3>explained what was trying to.

459
00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:14.400
<v Speaker 4>You know, this thing's been around since such and such.

460
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<v Speaker 3>The funds are needed to be able to protect it

461
00:26:17.359 --> 00:26:19.039
<v Speaker 3>from the sea which is encroaching.

462
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<v Speaker 4>Blah blah blah.

463
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<v Speaker 3>Put it together, set a message to the Lighthouse Foundation

464
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<v Speaker 3>and they said, yeah, run it.

465
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<v Speaker 4>We ran that thing for a year.

466
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<v Speaker 1>Now.

467
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<v Speaker 2>What's funny about that is today, if you attempted to

468
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<v Speaker 2>use it, you would have to have his publisher's permission

469
00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:37.960
<v Speaker 2>and all that kind of stuff to utilize his song

470
00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:40.960
<v Speaker 2>as part of your campaign, et cetera, et cetera. You

471
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<v Speaker 2>could probably get in trouble, and it would also get

472
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<v Speaker 2>kicked right the hell off of YouTube.

473
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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>All of that, But that's interesting, but it's not the

475
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<v Speaker 2>whole story, and it doesn't quite address what we've been

476
00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:57.240
<v Speaker 2>through here with this abortion ad just yet. Right, let's

477
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<v Speaker 2>go back to the fairness doctrine and what happened and

478
00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:02.359
<v Speaker 2>what ends up happening when it's removed.

479
00:27:02.440 --> 00:27:02.880
<v Speaker 1>Let's say.

480
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<v Speaker 2>The fairness doctrine was never without its opponents, however, many

481
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<v Speaker 2>of whom perceived the equal airtime requirement as an infringement

482
00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:12.759
<v Speaker 2>of the right to freedom of speech enshrined in the

483
00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:16.680
<v Speaker 2>First Amendment to the Constitution. In nineteen sixty nine, the

484
00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:20.920
<v Speaker 2>doctrines survived the challenge in the Supreme Court case Red

485
00:27:21.079 --> 00:27:25.440
<v Speaker 2>Lion Broadcasting Company versus Federal Communication Commission, in which the

486
00:27:25.519 --> 00:27:29.400
<v Speaker 2>Court found that the FCC had acted within its jurisdiction

487
00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:33.160
<v Speaker 2>in ruling that a Pennsylvania radio station had violated the

488
00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:37.440
<v Speaker 2>fairness doctrine by denying response time to a writer who

489
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<v Speaker 2>had been characterized in a broadcast as a communist sympathizer.

490
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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 2>Five, however, the FCC decided that the doctrine had a

492
00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:49.960
<v Speaker 2>chilling effect upon freedom of speech. At about that time,

493
00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:55.359
<v Speaker 2>representatives of cable and satellite television networks challenged the applicability

494
00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:58.839
<v Speaker 2>of the doctrine to their industries. In nineteen eighty seven,

495
00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:05.000
<v Speaker 2>the FCC repealed the Fairness Doctrine, but maintained both the

496
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<v Speaker 2>editorial and personal attack provisions, which remained in effect until

497
00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:15.039
<v Speaker 2>two thousand. In addition, until they were finally repealed by

498
00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:20.319
<v Speaker 2>the Commission in twenty eleven, more than eighty media rules

499
00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:26.920
<v Speaker 2>maintained language that implemented the doctrine. Okay, so it continued

500
00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:29.759
<v Speaker 2>for a while, you see what I mean. And they

501
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:34.839
<v Speaker 2>continued parts of it for a while. And now there

502
00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:37.880
<v Speaker 2>are other provisions in the FCC that are not this

503
00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:42.559
<v Speaker 2>big blanket that the fairness Doctrine was. But it still exists,

504
00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:46.319
<v Speaker 2>right and still allows that if you have something that's

505
00:28:46.359 --> 00:28:51.920
<v Speaker 2>applicable because it's part of the current election, it's part

506
00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:55.039
<v Speaker 2>of things which are there for public interest to people

507
00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:58.039
<v Speaker 2>in the broadcast area that you are meant to be serving.

508
00:28:58.599 --> 00:29:02.000
<v Speaker 2>So you're still serving a broadcast area, You're still serving

509
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:05.920
<v Speaker 2>a particular audience that's supposed to have the most access

510
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:11.680
<v Speaker 2>to your broadcast, and because you're utilizing the airwaves which

511
00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:15.119
<v Speaker 2>allegedly belong to the people and are therefore regulated by

512
00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:20.839
<v Speaker 2>our government. Right, you're supposed to be serving those that

513
00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:26.799
<v Speaker 2>you're using their airwaves in their community, Okay, And therefore,

514
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:29.720
<v Speaker 2>if something can be seen as serving them by informing

515
00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:33.759
<v Speaker 2>them about an election, about a local issue, et cetera,

516
00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:37.799
<v Speaker 2>et cetera, you're kind of in a stuck place where

517
00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:41.319
<v Speaker 2>it's necessary to have it out there. And I don't

518
00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:43.279
<v Speaker 2>know what they do about how much they get paid.

519
00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:46.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, they can't force you to run, say the

520
00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:51.640
<v Speaker 2>fetus ad during the super Bowl necessarily, but they can

521
00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:53.400
<v Speaker 2>force you to run it at some point.

522
00:29:53.680 --> 00:30:01.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, prices are set on political A friend of mine

523
00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:03.759
<v Speaker 3>worked at a station. He said, yeah, he says, we

524
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:06.960
<v Speaker 3>have set rates for political ads. It's the same rate

525
00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:11.000
<v Speaker 3>for either side. That's what we charge. The problem is

526
00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:14.559
<v Speaker 3>when the bookers, you know, get the call from a camp,

527
00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:18.480
<v Speaker 3>from either a campaign or a political pack. Yeah, we

528
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:20.960
<v Speaker 3>got one hundred thousand dollars we're gonna throw at you,

529
00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:24.200
<v Speaker 3>all right, that gives us how many spots here's where

530
00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:27.599
<v Speaker 3>we want them aired. Blah blah blah blah blah. Go

531
00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:30.200
<v Speaker 3>back to your fairness. Doctor. In a side note, Another

532
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:33.839
<v Speaker 3>thing that was that was working on this and forcing

533
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:38.480
<v Speaker 3>the change too, was the rise of cable because they

534
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:43.640
<v Speaker 3>were not regulated. So that's where local access channels and

535
00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:49.759
<v Speaker 3>that popped up and allowed basically specialized programming on that

536
00:30:49.960 --> 00:30:53.839
<v Speaker 3>channel and they didn't have to provide equal time to anybody,

537
00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:56.759
<v Speaker 3>and it was really hurting some of the broadcast competitors

538
00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:01.200
<v Speaker 3>when it came to add money because of programming. The

539
00:31:01.880 --> 00:31:05.440
<v Speaker 3>broadcast stations, well, the broadcast stations were under this premise,

540
00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:07.960
<v Speaker 3>we have to come up with programming that we know

541
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:10.319
<v Speaker 3>is going to draw audience. We want to draw the

542
00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:13.920
<v Speaker 3>biggest audience, and therefore, based on the audience that we have,

543
00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:17.160
<v Speaker 3>this is what we want to charge for rates. And

544
00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:23.519
<v Speaker 3>we're being constricted now because of this fairness doctrine where

545
00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:28.279
<v Speaker 3>our biggest competition, cable TV, is not regulated by that.

546
00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:30.880
<v Speaker 3>So you guys got to give us a break. And

547
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:33.200
<v Speaker 3>that was the force for a long time. It was

548
00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:37.480
<v Speaker 3>all money. It all came down to revenue, and the

549
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:41.160
<v Speaker 3>broadcast stations felt like they were losing the opportunity to

550
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:45.759
<v Speaker 3>make revenue because of this equal this even Stephen, if

551
00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:48.160
<v Speaker 3>I give this guy airtime, I got to give that

552
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:53.079
<v Speaker 3>guy airtime, and it didn't matter how the airtime was given.

553
00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:57.359
<v Speaker 3>It could be mentioned in programming, it could be in advertising.

554
00:31:57.640 --> 00:31:59.640
<v Speaker 3>They were getting it, you know, they were under the

555
00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:03.359
<v Speaker 3>fair this doctrine not only in their advertising, but in

556
00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:09.359
<v Speaker 3>their actual program programming. That's the sad thing about it.

557
00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:15.559
<v Speaker 3>That's why Garrison was granted a response to an NBC program,

558
00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:20.000
<v Speaker 3>not an ad, but an actual program that they put out.

559
00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:21.960
<v Speaker 1>There, right, And that's really hurting, you know.

560
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:24.079
<v Speaker 3>It was. It was a big kinke in the networks

561
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:27.400
<v Speaker 3>being able to provide program that people wanted to watch.

562
00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:30.160
<v Speaker 2>Right now, with the court case with the cable company

563
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:33.960
<v Speaker 2>which came in nineteen eighty five, right, the cable company said, hey,

564
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:36.720
<v Speaker 2>this is not fair to us because we don't just

565
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:40.880
<v Speaker 2>serve a broadcast area. So and they were, you know,

566
00:32:41.480 --> 00:32:44.000
<v Speaker 2>CLAIMINGBC that, yeah, but.

567
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:47.519
<v Speaker 3>Not only that, it wasn't a public airwave, it was

568
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:48.640
<v Speaker 3>not a frequency.

569
00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:51.680
<v Speaker 2>Well that's what I'm saying. We're not using the public airwaves.

570
00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:54.880
<v Speaker 2>We're using a cable that we provide to somebody who

571
00:32:54.920 --> 00:32:55.559
<v Speaker 2>pays us.

572
00:32:55.680 --> 00:32:59.680
<v Speaker 3>Therefore, right, that was and that was their biggest I

573
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:02.480
<v Speaker 3>think the biggest winning argument was we are not a

574
00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:07.920
<v Speaker 3>public entity. We don't belong to the public world, private corporation.

575
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Right, and the same thing with the Satellite US with

576
00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:12.720
<v Speaker 1>these rules. Yeah, and the same thing with satellite at

577
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:13.079
<v Speaker 1>the time.

578
00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:15.519
<v Speaker 2>That's my point about nineteen, but that came about in

579
00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:19.319
<v Speaker 2>eighty five where they challenged it because the FCC just

580
00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:22.119
<v Speaker 2>simply said, well, look, you know, we gotta run this

581
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:25.960
<v Speaker 2>across you guys too, because you're broadcasters. And they're like, no,

582
00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:29.960
<v Speaker 2>we're not broadcasters. We're a different kind of delivery system,

583
00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:33.480
<v Speaker 2>so we're not governed by this. But anyway, the thing

584
00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:37.039
<v Speaker 2>about it is, and it gets a little confusing because

585
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:41.960
<v Speaker 2>in some cases cable was carrying publicly broadcast stuff, but

586
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:46.519
<v Speaker 2>that meant that that's a different transmission, so during that transmission,

587
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:48.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, and that's how they were able to come

588
00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:50.599
<v Speaker 2>up with this whole you know how Like you see

589
00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:54.759
<v Speaker 2>sometimes you're watching a baseball game and it's on TBS,

590
00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:58.519
<v Speaker 2>which was a local thing, right, and they cut to

591
00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:01.000
<v Speaker 2>a commercial and it starts for like two seconds and

592
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:04.799
<v Speaker 2>then goes away. It's because somebody missed their cue to

593
00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:08.880
<v Speaker 2>overrun the commercial being broadcast, you know what I'm saying,

594
00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Like they're going to tell you about the local party

595
00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:15.599
<v Speaker 2>that's going to go on in Atlanta and you're sitting

596
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:19.000
<v Speaker 2>there watching it in Minnesota. You don't care about that.

597
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:20.599
<v Speaker 2>You're not going to be able to go down to

598
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Chile's bar or whatever and.

599
00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:23.400
<v Speaker 1>Go see this.

600
00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:27.639
<v Speaker 2>So they stick in a national ad there because they

601
00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:30.639
<v Speaker 2>have control over the signal, and they turn around and

602
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:34.159
<v Speaker 2>stick in McDonald's or whatever they want. Well, also, you

603
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:38.239
<v Speaker 2>don't care about the congress person running in Georgia, right,

604
00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:40.320
<v Speaker 2>So why do you need to hear about that. You

605
00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:43.440
<v Speaker 2>don't give a crap. Again, you're in Minnesota, you're in Arkansas,

606
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:44.760
<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter to you.

607
00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:48.039
<v Speaker 3>That's what surprised me. That's what surprised me about seeing

608
00:34:48.039 --> 00:34:51.760
<v Speaker 3>that abortion ad here is because we don't have anything,

609
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:56.880
<v Speaker 3>any kind of referendum or anything on the ballot here

610
00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:01.280
<v Speaker 3>in North Carolina this year, and I thought, whoa they are?

611
00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:06.199
<v Speaker 3>They're going for the national hit here. Really surprised well,

612
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:08.159
<v Speaker 3>and they's when I looked up and saw who was

613
00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:11.639
<v Speaker 3>behind the ad. I thought, well, okay, he's Constitution Party.

614
00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:14.679
<v Speaker 3>He is on the ballot, that's why it was run here.

615
00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:18.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, he's on the ballot number one, number two. They

616
00:35:18.159 --> 00:35:21.280
<v Speaker 2>can approach and say, I want to be on your

617
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:24.760
<v Speaker 2>national feed, and I don't think anybody's going to stop

618
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:28.920
<v Speaker 2>him from buying a spot on the national feed in

619
00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:32.800
<v Speaker 2>cases especially where maybe there isn't a lot of you know, revenue,

620
00:35:33.039 --> 00:35:35.800
<v Speaker 2>Like you probably didn't see it during the prime time

621
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:40.159
<v Speaker 2>biggest shows, biggest ratings grab that you know CBS has.

622
00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:43.480
<v Speaker 2>It probably wasn't during their best TV show, right, It

623
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:46.440
<v Speaker 2>was probably during something that doesn't have the highest of ratings,

624
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:49.719
<v Speaker 2>where the ad the ad cost is lower. Would you

625
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:52.239
<v Speaker 2>say that is true? What what TV show was going

626
00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:53.800
<v Speaker 2>on when you caught these?

627
00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:59.559
<v Speaker 3>Usually it was it was with CBS Overnight News. I

628
00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:01.800
<v Speaker 3>think it was comes on at three o'clock.

629
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:06.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, see there you go three am. Yeah, okay, so

630
00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:07.199
<v Speaker 1>at three am.

631
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:11.199
<v Speaker 2>The ratings are not that high for live broadcasts, right.

632
00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:17.280
<v Speaker 3>No, but on well, and it's not really all it's

633
00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:19.719
<v Speaker 3>not really a live broadcast. What they do is whenever

634
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:23.400
<v Speaker 3>they do their overnight news, I think it starts at midnight,

635
00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:26.239
<v Speaker 3>they'll do a one hour session and then it gets

636
00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:29.679
<v Speaker 3>played around these different markets at different times.

637
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<v Speaker 2>So it's a rerun of a news program that already

638
00:36:32.679 --> 00:36:35.880
<v Speaker 2>happened again it's probably before.

639
00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:38.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then they switch to another program it's CBS

640
00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:43.679
<v Speaker 3>Overnight News, and then it's CBS some other news that

641
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:47.440
<v Speaker 3>comes on at four right before our local stuff starts

642
00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:50.719
<v Speaker 3>broadcasting at four point thirty. Okay, so that's where you

643
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:53.719
<v Speaker 3>see these ads that you know, they want to bury

644
00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:56.760
<v Speaker 3>or they want to get it aired, but they don't

645
00:36:56.760 --> 00:36:59.079
<v Speaker 3>want to pay top dollar for primetime, right.

646
00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:01.519
<v Speaker 4>And it's also you know, constantly in the morning.

647
00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:04.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just like on CNN, right they run Anderson

648
00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:08.079
<v Speaker 2>Cooper's show, and Jake Tapper has one and you know whatever.

649
00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:12.639
<v Speaker 3>But ABC ap barely. ABC ran this ad during Jimmy

650
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:15.840
<v Speaker 3>Kimmel Live and during the View, which is a big

651
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:16.679
<v Speaker 3>show for ABC.

652
00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Now those are good morning, Yeah, those are larger audiences,

653
00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:24.519
<v Speaker 2>but when you're running it at that three am time slot,

654
00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:26.719
<v Speaker 2>that's the same. Like I said, CNN does this too,

655
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:29.599
<v Speaker 2>Like they have Anderson Cooper and Jake Tapper in their

656
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:35.039
<v Speaker 2>primetime slots, right then they rerun them. Okay, so you're

657
00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:37.320
<v Speaker 2>watching the rerun of the show all the way up

658
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:40.519
<v Speaker 2>till like around that three AM slot. Then there's this

659
00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:43.320
<v Speaker 2>English lady that comes on and starts giving you the

660
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:46.119
<v Speaker 2>latest headlines at you know, four in the morning or whatever,

661
00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:48.400
<v Speaker 2>and it's sort of like now it's you know, not

662
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:51.239
<v Speaker 2>CNN whatever their show is. They call it in the morning,

663
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:54.159
<v Speaker 2>like you know, CNN at dawn or whatever. No, it's

664
00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:58.280
<v Speaker 2>not that now, it's pre morning CNN, right, and they'll

665
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:01.800
<v Speaker 2>go to a live thing that hardly anybody's watching now.

666
00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:03.239
<v Speaker 1>During that time, you.

667
00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:07.159
<v Speaker 2>Get a lot of these PSAs and things, right, Uh,

668
00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:12.119
<v Speaker 2>National Suicide Hotline, Uh, you know, Wounded Warriors and uh

669
00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:16.199
<v Speaker 2>and and Wounded Veterans of America and uh, the stuff

670
00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:18.199
<v Speaker 2>like they used to have the Unity ones, you know,

671
00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:22.880
<v Speaker 2>don't hold people's religions against them ads right. Uh, even

672
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:25.559
<v Speaker 2>the uh, the stuff that's run by the Mormons, brought

673
00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:27.960
<v Speaker 2>to you by the you know, the Church of h

674
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:31.400
<v Speaker 2>whatever in Latter day Saints. Uh. And it's you know,

675
00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:33.519
<v Speaker 2>some sort of like be a good person, don't hold

676
00:38:33.559 --> 00:38:37.000
<v Speaker 2>other people's you know, beliefs against them. Uh, you know,

677
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:41.000
<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah whatever they run that stuff. Don't kill yourself.

678
00:38:41.199 --> 00:38:41.320
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

679
00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:43.639
<v Speaker 2>You know, if you've got a drug problem, contact us

680
00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:45.519
<v Speaker 2>the National Drug Prevention Hotline.

681
00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:46.239
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

682
00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:47.000
<v Speaker 1>National.

683
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:50.800
<v Speaker 2>You know you're you're feeling terrible, you you're contemplating ending

684
00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:55.199
<v Speaker 2>your life, perhaps you should call the suicide Hotline. Those things,

685
00:38:55.480 --> 00:38:58.280
<v Speaker 2>some of them government controlled and some of them controlled

686
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:02.119
<v Speaker 2>again by these nonprofit organizations, But a lot of that

687
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:06.679
<v Speaker 2>you'll see run during pretty much dead programs where the

688
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:10.039
<v Speaker 2>ratings are low. You know, it's not like nobody's watching,

689
00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:14.000
<v Speaker 2>but it's a very small number. Now I'm kind of

690
00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:16.199
<v Speaker 2>surprised you're telling me that they ran these during the

691
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:21.760
<v Speaker 2>view and also during what was the other one you mentioned,

692
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:26.320
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Kimmel, now, the late night. Everybody's a little confused

693
00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:29.840
<v Speaker 2>about this late night. These guys in their live broadcasts

694
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:34.440
<v Speaker 2>usually did not have the highest ratings. They talk about

695
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:36.400
<v Speaker 2>them and they say, oh, you know, two million people

696
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:41.079
<v Speaker 2>are watching them or whatever, But realistically, nowadays, for live broadcast,

697
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:45.280
<v Speaker 2>two million is not that big, okay at all.

698
00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:46.599
<v Speaker 1>One. Two.

699
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:49.679
<v Speaker 2>A lot of people catch these things, guess what, in

700
00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:54.000
<v Speaker 2>podcast form. Afterwards, they watch the clips on YouTube or

701
00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:57.800
<v Speaker 2>on the website or whatever afterwards, and they don't even

702
00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:01.000
<v Speaker 2>necessarily watch the whole shows. Some turn around and just go,

703
00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:04.159
<v Speaker 2>I want to see his monologue tonight, or I want

704
00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:06.039
<v Speaker 2>to see they said he did a funny bit. They

705
00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:08.320
<v Speaker 2>just go and search for the funny bit. It's like

706
00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Saturday Night Live. Hardly anybody knows when it's live. Number one,

707
00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:15.840
<v Speaker 2>because it isn't live that often. But number two, a

708
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:18.599
<v Speaker 2>lot of people just catch it the next day or whatever,

709
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:21.920
<v Speaker 2>and they only watched the cold open, or they only

710
00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:24.840
<v Speaker 2>watched the bit that made the rounds in the news,

711
00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:28.920
<v Speaker 2>that got people talking, right, And they watch these things

712
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:30.920
<v Speaker 2>in part, not even the whole broadcast.

713
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:34.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay, and late Night, the.

714
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:37.000
<v Speaker 3>Late night programs like that, you know, have all been

715
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:40.559
<v Speaker 3>di looted because you know, at one time you had

716
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:43.440
<v Speaker 3>Carson and he was the king, right, you know, Jack

717
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:46.960
<v Speaker 3>Parr had his show, then Carson came along Tonight's show,

718
00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:51.239
<v Speaker 3>you know, he left, you had Jay Leno and that

719
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:51.800
<v Speaker 3>whole thing.

720
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:54.880
<v Speaker 4>But the other stations came up with competition.

721
00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:59.239
<v Speaker 3>So now you've got Seth Rogan, you've got Jimmy Kimmel,

722
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:00.039
<v Speaker 3>you've got.

723
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:06.320
<v Speaker 2>Way back when Colbert Listen, way back when though they

724
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:10.679
<v Speaker 2>had David Letterman and they had Tom Snyder and remember

725
00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:12.960
<v Speaker 2>the Tomorrow Show, right, uh.

726
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:16.119
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, Snider, Yeah he didn't. He drew a lot

727
00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:16.559
<v Speaker 3>of people.

728
00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:18.679
<v Speaker 4>Of course, nobody could compete with Johnny Carson.

729
00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:19.440
<v Speaker 1>He was the king.

730
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:22.079
<v Speaker 3>I mean, he nailed Late Night, sure, And when you

731
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:24.679
<v Speaker 3>had all of these other stations come up with their

732
00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:28.760
<v Speaker 3>own version to compete, then you had people like and

733
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:33.039
<v Speaker 3>like here lately, Bret Guttfeld on Fox had a show

734
00:41:33.159 --> 00:41:36.880
<v Speaker 3>called red Eye that I mean, and it was two

735
00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:39.559
<v Speaker 3>o'clock in the morning. It was red Eye, right. If

736
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:41.920
<v Speaker 3>you were up that late, you were a dedicated fan

737
00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:45.880
<v Speaker 3>that eventually got morphed into where if they started moving

738
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:48.519
<v Speaker 3>him lower and lower in the time slots, he's now

739
00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:50.360
<v Speaker 3>at ten am or ten pm.

740
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:55.840
<v Speaker 4>He kills His draw is more than all of the

741
00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:57.880
<v Speaker 4>other late night hosts put together.

742
00:41:58.480 --> 00:41:59.000
<v Speaker 1>I believe it.

743
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:01.599
<v Speaker 3>That's how big come in the past couple of years,

744
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:04.119
<v Speaker 3>you know. And it's an entertaining show. I've got to

745
00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:08.320
<v Speaker 3>give him that. But when you started, like during COVID

746
00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:12.239
<v Speaker 3>when Colbert on his show had the dancing hypodermic needles,

747
00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:15.400
<v Speaker 3>I knew right then and there late night was dead.

748
00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:18.840
<v Speaker 3>It's over with. They might as well go ahead and

749
00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:22.079
<v Speaker 3>write out the certificate, pull the sheet over it and

750
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:27.199
<v Speaker 3>get rid of it. It's it's so bad, it's really it.

751
00:42:27.880 --> 00:42:30.719
<v Speaker 3>Late night TV is nothing like it was back when

752
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:33.840
<v Speaker 3>you had people like Carson doing it.

753
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:35.800
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to really put some effort in it.

754
00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:39.159
<v Speaker 2>Initially, Yeah, and Carson was followed by Letterman for a

755
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:42.159
<v Speaker 2>long time on NBC until his contract came due, and

756
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:44.639
<v Speaker 2>then he thought he was going to replace Carson, and

757
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:48.039
<v Speaker 2>they hauled Jay Leno in that slot. Then Letterman left

758
00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:52.559
<v Speaker 2>and became competition. He went to CBS, and there was

759
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:56.239
<v Speaker 2>there was others too that that tried to hold the

760
00:42:56.320 --> 00:42:58.679
<v Speaker 2>late night slot or tried to hold a night a

761
00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:02.440
<v Speaker 2>night slot. Howard Stern did a TV show once a

762
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:05.880
<v Speaker 2>week at one point, right, it worked out for a

763
00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:09.559
<v Speaker 2>little while and then it tanked. Rush Limbaugh had an

764
00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:12.599
<v Speaker 2>overnight you know, a late night show that was distributed,

765
00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:17.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, and actually played by affiliates at all different times.

766
00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:18.920
<v Speaker 1>You never knew what time Rush Limbaugh was going to

767
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:19.159
<v Speaker 1>be on.

768
00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:21.599
<v Speaker 2>And in fact, in New York, I could watch it

769
00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:24.400
<v Speaker 2>on Channel nine at one time and then wait a

770
00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:26.320
<v Speaker 2>little while, like three in the morning, and I could

771
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:27.599
<v Speaker 2>watch it on Channel five.

772
00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:31.400
<v Speaker 1>Which you know, again both broadcast entities.

773
00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:34.719
<v Speaker 2>But no late night has become really weird, I mean,

774
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:37.199
<v Speaker 2>and Colbert, the fact that he's still around is what's

775
00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:40.079
<v Speaker 2>amazing to me, because this guy started out as like

776
00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:42.960
<v Speaker 2>a bit on somebody else's show. He wasn't even like

777
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:46.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, first of all, he was an act, right

778
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:51.199
<v Speaker 2>it is you know this and that I'm Colbert blah

779
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:53.199
<v Speaker 2>blah blah, you know, and he would come on and

780
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:59.199
<v Speaker 2>do this like parody of a conservative, and then that

781
00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:02.639
<v Speaker 2>became its own TV show on like I think Comedy

782
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:06.480
<v Speaker 2>Central carried it, and it was the Colbert rapport, right,

783
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:10.239
<v Speaker 2>And the Colbert rapport was, you know, him making fun

784
00:44:10.280 --> 00:44:12.400
<v Speaker 2>of how you know, you don't say Colbert, you say

785
00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:17.159
<v Speaker 2>you know in the Colbert Report, Colbert Rapport, and he

786
00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:21.440
<v Speaker 2>still was doing this parody of a conservative and he

787
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:24.960
<v Speaker 2>would bring people on and ask obnoxious questions you know

788
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:29.880
<v Speaker 2>that echoed conservative sentiment, but they were super obnoxious. You know,

789
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:33.159
<v Speaker 2>like if he had gotten Kamala on back then he

790
00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:34.880
<v Speaker 2>might have said, so, when is it that you sold

791
00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:38.079
<v Speaker 2>your soul to the devil? You know, because we need

792
00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:39.960
<v Speaker 2>to know when did you go to the crossroads? I

793
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:41.880
<v Speaker 2>mean he would have said stuff like that to her

794
00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:46.639
<v Speaker 2>as he got her as an interview subject, right, And

795
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:49.000
<v Speaker 2>that was that. But then at some point they went

796
00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:52.119
<v Speaker 2>and hired him for Late Night I think when Jay

797
00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Leno was sort of retired, right, like Leno had kind

798
00:44:55.440 --> 00:44:56.320
<v Speaker 2>of finished his run.

799
00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:01.159
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he went to Late Night, and uh, you know

800
00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:01.880
<v Speaker 4>it came.

801
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:06.079
<v Speaker 3>Out as himself acting as himself, right, and it was

802
00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:07.920
<v Speaker 3>you know a lot of people at first thought, well,

803
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:10.760
<v Speaker 3>wait a minute, I thought this guy was conservative, and

804
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:13.239
<v Speaker 3>it's like, no, no, no, no, no no. That was

805
00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:16.039
<v Speaker 3>a party was playing on a show on Comedy Central.

806
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:18.280
<v Speaker 2>Right, and it was a parody at that, you know,

807
00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:21.199
<v Speaker 2>so you weren't getting serious conservative views.

808
00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:24.039
<v Speaker 1>It was a joke. It was meant to be.

809
00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:26.119
<v Speaker 3>And you think about it. You look at the people

810
00:45:26.199 --> 00:45:28.639
<v Speaker 3>that had been involved in Late Night and you know,

811
00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:32.159
<v Speaker 3>look at the talent. It's I mean, Arsenio Hall had

812
00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:35.960
<v Speaker 3>a show for a while and he had that's where

813
00:45:36.039 --> 00:45:41.519
<v Speaker 3>Bill Clinton got famous, playing the sacks. I knows, I

814
00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:42.639
<v Speaker 3>know it's Arsenio Hall.

815
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:45.239
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned it many times on this show that that's

816
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:47.519
<v Speaker 2>what impressed me actually is him coming out playing the

817
00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:50.599
<v Speaker 2>sacks with you know, Ray bans On, No kidding, And

818
00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:53.360
<v Speaker 2>he was on the Arsenio Hall Show, which at the

819
00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:56.800
<v Speaker 2>time was the cutting edge of late night.

820
00:45:57.000 --> 00:45:58.519
<v Speaker 1>Right. He was competing.

821
00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:00.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we'll have to do a takedown one night. Well,

822
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:02.440
<v Speaker 3>I have to get a list of all the shows

823
00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:04.599
<v Speaker 3>and what we remember and what we did, because like

824
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:06.000
<v Speaker 3>Colin O'Brien.

825
00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:06.360
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely so.

826
00:46:06.559 --> 00:46:09.039
<v Speaker 3>For a long time, I have never heard him say

827
00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:13.519
<v Speaker 3>anything that was funny ever, And I don't understand how

828
00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:17.719
<v Speaker 3>he's this great comedian, and I'm thinking he's never made

829
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:19.639
<v Speaker 3>me laugh, he said.

830
00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:21.519
<v Speaker 2>You and I absolutely agree on that. I have no

831
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:23.440
<v Speaker 2>idea why Conan O'Brien has a job.

832
00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Seriously, I mean no concept.

833
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:29.000
<v Speaker 2>Like I understand why he had a job as a

834
00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:33.280
<v Speaker 2>writer on the Simpsons, but as a performer as a comedian,

835
00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:34.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't get it.

836
00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:37.920
<v Speaker 1>He just he's no good. I mean, he's not funny.

837
00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:39.719
<v Speaker 1>So I agree with you there.

838
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:42.000
<v Speaker 2>It's weird that he has a job all this time,

839
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:44.840
<v Speaker 2>because they usually get rid of these these hosts of

840
00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:48.400
<v Speaker 2>talk shows real fast when they realize, you know, the

841
00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:51.800
<v Speaker 2>audience isn't that big. But his audience rises falls doesn't matter.

842
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:54.280
<v Speaker 2>It's like he must have the pictures of the guy

843
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:56.519
<v Speaker 2>who owns the network with a donkey, because I don't

844
00:46:56.599 --> 00:46:57.920
<v Speaker 2>understand how he keeps that job.

845
00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:01.320
<v Speaker 3>But no, he could go even further out of it

846
00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:05.039
<v Speaker 3>is just the cult of personality put himself out there.

847
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:07.199
<v Speaker 2>He had a lot of fans like, let's go into

848
00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:10.400
<v Speaker 2>some super little Yeah, let's go into some super nostalgia

849
00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:12.239
<v Speaker 2>for a minute. Thoughll be, Pete, I got questions for

850
00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:14.800
<v Speaker 2>you because there was a time when Howard Stern was

851
00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:18.119
<v Speaker 2>running his E Network show, right, which was just on

852
00:47:18.199 --> 00:47:21.760
<v Speaker 2>the Entertainment Channel, and it was nothing but a television

853
00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:24.760
<v Speaker 2>version of his radio show, right, And that was his

854
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:27.440
<v Speaker 2>attempt to kind of compete on the late night But

855
00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:29.519
<v Speaker 2>during that time, I mean, we saw a lot of

856
00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:32.159
<v Speaker 2>things rise and fall. Matter of fact, here's one from

857
00:47:32.199 --> 00:47:32.920
<v Speaker 2>the late eighties.

858
00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:34.199
<v Speaker 1>A lot of people won't.

859
00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:36.360
<v Speaker 2>Remember if you weren't in the New York area, but

860
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:39.559
<v Speaker 2>did go national for a minute outside of the time

861
00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:42.719
<v Speaker 2>that Rush Limbaugh was running around getting a TV show

862
00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:46.440
<v Speaker 2>started that did fail. Actually, eventually the ratings were very

863
00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:49.239
<v Speaker 2>bad on the Rush Limbaugh Show. After the initial launch.

864
00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:52.920
<v Speaker 2>He claimed that he was being removed because he was conservative.

865
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:56.559
<v Speaker 2>But the truth is that you know, they did equal

866
00:47:56.679 --> 00:47:59.800
<v Speaker 2>ratings if they put on, you know, deal a meal

867
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:03.320
<v Speaker 2>in commercials at the time, right, Richard Simmons reference there.

868
00:48:03.400 --> 00:48:06.360
<v Speaker 3>Part of the deal with Limbaugh I was he said

869
00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:12.400
<v Speaker 3>he never really enjoyed doing it. He he enjoyed radio, right.

870
00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:15.239
<v Speaker 3>He you know, he came out later with his cam

871
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:18.559
<v Speaker 3>that if you paid the high dollars to his website

872
00:48:18.679 --> 00:48:21.920
<v Speaker 3>you could get access to that during his broadcast and all. Yeah, yeah,

873
00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:24.639
<v Speaker 3>he did admit a couple of interviews that I heard

874
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:28.039
<v Speaker 3>of him that he never really enjoyed doing that show.

875
00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:32.639
<v Speaker 3>From start. They tried it, it was okay, but he thought,

876
00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:35.039
<v Speaker 3>I'm a radio guy and I need to stick to

877
00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:39.320
<v Speaker 3>what I know. And so when it ended, I think

878
00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:41.400
<v Speaker 3>part of it was he kind of went to him

879
00:48:41.400 --> 00:48:43.559
<v Speaker 3>and said, look, guys, this isn't working and I don't

880
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:44.559
<v Speaker 3>want any more to do with it.

881
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:48.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think his enthusiasm wasn't that high, you know,

882
00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:51.840
<v Speaker 2>because it wasn't as good as him working off of

883
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:54.679
<v Speaker 2>the audience, which he was good at doing. You know,

884
00:48:55.239 --> 00:48:58.280
<v Speaker 2>whether they were calling up to say, you know, uh,

885
00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Megadido's rush, I agree with everything you say, or you know,

886
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:04.039
<v Speaker 2>they were calling up to give him crap. He did

887
00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:06.719
<v Speaker 2>well with the callers. So you know, how do you

888
00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:09.320
<v Speaker 2>do that on a TV show. It's very hard. You can,

889
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:14.400
<v Speaker 2>but it never garners real ratings. It doesn't translate.

890
00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:14.679
<v Speaker 3>Well.

891
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:17.000
<v Speaker 2>That kind of thing works on radio, not on TV,

892
00:49:18.639 --> 00:49:21.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, because if it did, then that Washington Journal

893
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:24.039
<v Speaker 2>show would be number one across the world that runs

894
00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:26.679
<v Speaker 2>on c SPAN, Because I mean, people get on there

895
00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:31.159
<v Speaker 2>and say some pretty interesting things, some very intelligent, some

896
00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:34.800
<v Speaker 2>very stupid, and you get a sample of all over

897
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:37.440
<v Speaker 2>the place when it comes to political views and ideologies

898
00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:40.639
<v Speaker 2>on that C SPAN show that occurs that you know,

899
00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:42.840
<v Speaker 2>but they put it on it like seven in the morning,

900
00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:44.639
<v Speaker 2>right on weekdays.

901
00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:48.519
<v Speaker 1>I think it runs. But but look remember Morton Downey

902
00:49:48.599 --> 00:49:50.519
<v Speaker 1>Junior though you remember that guy.

903
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:54.320
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, it's local Access gave him his break man.

904
00:49:54.280 --> 00:49:55.760
<v Speaker 3>He was he was the dude.

905
00:49:56.039 --> 00:49:58.639
<v Speaker 2>Well see he wasn't local Access. He was on Channel

906
00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:02.159
<v Speaker 2>nine in New York WRTV, right.

907
00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:05.239
<v Speaker 3>And I thought he started on local Access and made

908
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:05.760
<v Speaker 3>the switch.

909
00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:08.280
<v Speaker 1>Nope, No, he was on WRTV.

910
00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, And there was a Channel nine in New York,

911
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:13.880
<v Speaker 2>which technically is in seacaucas New Jersey.

912
00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:17.280
<v Speaker 1>The broadcaster is in New Jersey, and so was their headquarters.

913
00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:18.400
<v Speaker 1>But it's in New York.

914
00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:20.920
<v Speaker 2>It's generally seen as a New York station, Channel nine

915
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:26.039
<v Speaker 2>right now. Later on it got purchased by Universal Broadcasting.

916
00:50:26.119 --> 00:50:30.679
<v Speaker 2>It became a upn thing. Uh, it became something else.

917
00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:33.199
<v Speaker 2>H during the time when they were trying to create

918
00:50:33.280 --> 00:50:34.239
<v Speaker 2>yet another network.

919
00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:35.159
<v Speaker 1>When they created.

920
00:50:35.079 --> 00:50:38.079
<v Speaker 2>WB after Fox had its success as a network, right

921
00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:41.280
<v Speaker 2>which was a fabricated network from a bunch of independence

922
00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:44.480
<v Speaker 2>stations across the country, they took Channel five in New

923
00:50:44.599 --> 00:50:49.239
<v Speaker 2>York and Channel five was an independence station up till then. Anyway,

924
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:53.079
<v Speaker 2>Channel nine is where he broadcast from the WR studios

925
00:50:53.199 --> 00:50:54.559
<v Speaker 2>in Seacaucus, New Jersey.

926
00:50:55.400 --> 00:50:55.519
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

927
00:50:55.840 --> 00:50:59.119
<v Speaker 1>And he was popular here, you know, not here, he

928
00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:01.320
<v Speaker 1>was popular in the area I lived in. Then.

929
00:51:01.599 --> 00:51:05.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is like in mid to eight and then

930
00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:09.480
<v Speaker 2>it expanded. They took it and they syndicated that show,

931
00:51:10.119 --> 00:51:13.800
<v Speaker 2>and that went on briefly. Now everything went crazy for

932
00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:16.960
<v Speaker 2>a little bit. He was successful, but as soon as

933
00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:20.920
<v Speaker 2>his popularity started to dive, and tabloid stories came out

934
00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:24.480
<v Speaker 2>about him being a scumbag and you know, urinating inside

935
00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:27.039
<v Speaker 2>of limos and all kinds of wild stuff he was doing.

936
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:30.079
<v Speaker 2>You know, they kind of smeared him and made him

937
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:32.519
<v Speaker 2>sound like this out of control lunatic who was like,

938
00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:36.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, an egomaniac and abusing his staff and abusing

939
00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:37.440
<v Speaker 2>people that came on the.

940
00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:39.440
<v Speaker 1>Show and weird stuff. Right.

941
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:43.519
<v Speaker 2>He then staged an attack as if he was attacked

942
00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:47.159
<v Speaker 2>by Nazis. If people don't remember this, he ended up

943
00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:49.840
<v Speaker 2>saying that he was, Yeah, he was attacked by Nazis

944
00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:53.000
<v Speaker 2>in an airport and they literally spray painted a swastik

945
00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:58.159
<v Speaker 2>on his forehead. Remember that, And so so he went

946
00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:00.480
<v Speaker 2>out and tried to pull this as a pr and

947
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:03.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if he ever ever admitted it publicly

948
00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:04.960
<v Speaker 2>that he had staged it or done it to himself.

949
00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:07.719
<v Speaker 2>But the story was, you know, he got attacked and

950
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:11.079
<v Speaker 2>beat up by Nazis who spray painted stuff on him

951
00:52:11.079 --> 00:52:14.639
<v Speaker 2>and humiliated him and you know, all this crap. But

952
00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:20.559
<v Speaker 2>Morton fell apart, uh, and you know, was not successful.

953
00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:23.760
<v Speaker 2>After a very short run of success in the syndicated

954
00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:27.239
<v Speaker 2>TV market collapsed, So that was the end of him.

955
00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:31.119
<v Speaker 2>There were other attempts to make other people into syndicated

956
00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:34.440
<v Speaker 2>TV hosts that were successful. Joan Rivers had a show,

957
00:52:34.760 --> 00:52:38.840
<v Speaker 2>remember Jones show. She had a nationally syndicated show with

958
00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:43.159
<v Speaker 2>Fox Broadcasting and they rather suddenly and unceremoniously fired her.

959
00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:44.639
<v Speaker 1>You remember that.

960
00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:49.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she was, she was. She was caught up in

961
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:53.079
<v Speaker 3>the Johnny Carson bit too to succeed him and uh.

962
00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:58.159
<v Speaker 3>In fact, she fell out when she wasn't chosen to

963
00:52:58.280 --> 00:52:58.880
<v Speaker 3>take over.

964
00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:01.719
<v Speaker 2>His show and it went to Yep, she got really

965
00:53:01.800 --> 00:53:06.000
<v Speaker 2>angry and Johnny ye had well, she thought that she

966
00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:09.360
<v Speaker 2>would be the logical replacement for Johnny Carson when he retired.

967
00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:13.239
<v Speaker 2>See that's Letterman and her both thought I have a

968
00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:17.119
<v Speaker 2>job here because Johnny's gonna leave, And Letterman's like, look,

969
00:53:17.199 --> 00:53:19.719
<v Speaker 2>I've sat in this you know slot that has worse

970
00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:22.719
<v Speaker 2>ratings because people shut their TVs off a lot after Carson.

971
00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:26.079
<v Speaker 2>But I've got a solid following. I've proven i can

972
00:53:26.119 --> 00:53:28.519
<v Speaker 2>do late night TV. Blah blah blah. I got a

973
00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:30.519
<v Speaker 2>band and everything. I can just take it and bring

974
00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:33.880
<v Speaker 2>it to Johnny slot boom. The Tonight Show now stars

975
00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:36.519
<v Speaker 2>David Letterman, and they made promises to him like they

976
00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:39.079
<v Speaker 2>were going to do that. Uh, they didn't put it

977
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:44.760
<v Speaker 2>in writing. But anyway, when Johnny retired, he figured, I'm

978
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:48.079
<v Speaker 2>stepping in. Joan Rivers likewise figured that since she had

979
00:53:48.119 --> 00:53:52.039
<v Speaker 2>been a substitute many many times substitute hosts, she hosted

980
00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:55.000
<v Speaker 2>The Tonight Show as a you know, when Johnny.

981
00:53:54.719 --> 00:53:57.159
<v Speaker 3>Would be in vacation, he had been on the show.

982
00:53:57.360 --> 00:53:59.400
<v Speaker 4>She was the one person that held the record for

983
00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:01.519
<v Speaker 4>the most is on Carson Show.

984
00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Right, So she figured quite logically that she could be

985
00:54:06.320 --> 00:54:08.760
<v Speaker 2>since the you know, there was always a positive response

986
00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:12.320
<v Speaker 2>to her ratings didn't fall when she you know, guest hosted,

987
00:54:12.440 --> 00:54:15.480
<v Speaker 2>et cetera, et cetera. She figured she had the gig,

988
00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:17.360
<v Speaker 2>and there was a couple other people that thought they

989
00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:19.880
<v Speaker 2>might have a good shot at the gig. Leno was

990
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:21.960
<v Speaker 2>a bit of a surprise to a lot of people,

991
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:25.079
<v Speaker 2>even the industry, who said, you know, Leno is a

992
00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:29.199
<v Speaker 2>little too like pedestrian and you know, sort of bland

993
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:32.679
<v Speaker 2>as a comedian and this and that. Right, his stand

994
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:35.480
<v Speaker 2>up routine not very strong. But you know, Johnny Carson

995
00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:38.000
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a great stand up either. He did a very

996
00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:40.599
<v Speaker 2>specific job as a stand up comedian. Johnny was not

997
00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:44.679
<v Speaker 2>that great. You know, with ten people writing his monologue

998
00:54:44.719 --> 00:54:47.480
<v Speaker 2>jokes and talking about the news, he could sort of

999
00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:49.719
<v Speaker 2>make things run. But if you just gave him a

1000
00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:52.079
<v Speaker 2>microphone it chuckles one night, he was not going to

1001
00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:56.679
<v Speaker 2>do well. It's like Howard Stern, who was great on

1002
00:54:56.760 --> 00:54:59.639
<v Speaker 2>the radio, but when he tried to do a TV

1003
00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:03.440
<v Speaker 2>show that wasn't just his radio show, he had a

1004
00:55:03.480 --> 00:55:03.880
<v Speaker 2>hard time.

1005
00:55:04.039 --> 00:55:06.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was That was one individual I could never

1006
00:55:06.440 --> 00:55:09.440
<v Speaker 3>get into. I never understood the popularity of his show

1007
00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:13.920
<v Speaker 3>and his radio show killed in that market. I mean,

1008
00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:17.239
<v Speaker 3>he's slayd. He was the person if you wanted your

1009
00:55:17.960 --> 00:55:20.280
<v Speaker 3>commercial it was going to cost you, yep. But if

1010
00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:22.480
<v Speaker 3>you wanted it out there you had the audience, and

1011
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:25.360
<v Speaker 3>Stern certainly had it. I don't understand how it worked.

1012
00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:27.119
<v Speaker 3>I can't understand how he.

1013
00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:29.480
<v Speaker 4>Was that popular, but I mean, he was the man.

1014
00:55:29.559 --> 00:55:31.000
<v Speaker 4>He was the king of all media.

1015
00:55:31.159 --> 00:55:31.599
<v Speaker 3>One time.

1016
00:55:31.800 --> 00:55:34.440
<v Speaker 2>Well it was mass slating because look, he tried to

1017
00:55:34.519 --> 00:55:38.239
<v Speaker 2>go get syndicated radio right for his thing, and they

1018
00:55:38.320 --> 00:55:41.519
<v Speaker 2>told him, listen, it doesn't work for comedians on the radio.

1019
00:55:41.639 --> 00:55:42.360
<v Speaker 1>It can't be done.

1020
00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:46.679
<v Speaker 2>So what he did is he started getting radio station affiliates,

1021
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:50.039
<v Speaker 2>one to two at a time and signing them up

1022
00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:53.440
<v Speaker 2>himself as like part of just it's not a network,

1023
00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:56.719
<v Speaker 2>it's just you're part of Howard Stern's broadcasting family, you know.

1024
00:55:57.440 --> 00:56:00.440
<v Speaker 2>And he was in New York and his first brand

1025
00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:05.159
<v Speaker 2>new affiliate was in Philadelphia. So the argument was, let's

1026
00:56:05.239 --> 00:56:07.800
<v Speaker 2>just cover the area and connect these two spots together.

1027
00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:10.719
<v Speaker 2>The next thing is he got like Washington, DC, and

1028
00:56:10.800 --> 00:56:13.760
<v Speaker 2>then he got Connecticut, and you know, sort of made

1029
00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:18.519
<v Speaker 2>his broadcast area expand by connecting these things together. And

1030
00:56:18.719 --> 00:56:22.440
<v Speaker 2>every time he went somewhere, whether it was there or Cleveland, Ohio,

1031
00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:25.960
<v Speaker 2>or California, it didn't matter where you syndicated him.

1032
00:56:26.760 --> 00:56:30.559
<v Speaker 1>He would go there and succeed and succeed and succeed, and.

1033
00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:32.960
<v Speaker 2>That's what made him the highest paid broadcaster.

1034
00:56:33.199 --> 00:56:36.199
<v Speaker 1>You know there was right and you know.

1035
00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:39.079
<v Speaker 3>He ended up with and he was he was competing

1036
00:56:39.159 --> 00:56:41.599
<v Speaker 3>with some heavy hitters too. I mean don Imus at

1037
00:56:41.639 --> 00:56:45.880
<v Speaker 3>that time was big on radio, you know, he was.

1038
00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:49.960
<v Speaker 3>He could he could name his price because he had control.

1039
00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:52.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but he beat the hell out of Imus in

1040
00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:54.639
<v Speaker 2>every market that they put him up against.

1041
00:56:54.960 --> 00:56:58.920
<v Speaker 3>That was the thing. If you if I was a

1042
00:56:59.039 --> 00:57:01.119
<v Speaker 3>host and I had to go up against Stern, I

1043
00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:04.519
<v Speaker 3>think I would have just thrown into talent said I'll wait, yeah,

1044
00:57:04.599 --> 00:57:05.400
<v Speaker 3>so something.

1045
00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:07.639
<v Speaker 1>Changes, put me on in a different time slot. I

1046
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:08.599
<v Speaker 1>don't want to deal with this.

1047
00:57:08.840 --> 00:57:11.360
<v Speaker 2>And in fact, that's what started to happen, is that,

1048
00:57:11.599 --> 00:57:13.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, because remember there were all these morning.

1049
00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:15.320
<v Speaker 1>Zoos all over the country and stuff.

1050
00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:18.440
<v Speaker 2>He would go into a market where a morning zoo

1051
00:57:18.599 --> 00:57:21.920
<v Speaker 2>was dominating the place, you know, and you know a

1052
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:24.719
<v Speaker 2>morning zoo requires you know, six seven, eight guys to

1053
00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:27.000
<v Speaker 2>run it, right, You got two guys running bits, You

1054
00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:30.360
<v Speaker 2>got like four guys on the microphone doing voices and

1055
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:33.440
<v Speaker 2>playing sound effects and all these different things. You need

1056
00:57:33.559 --> 00:57:36.480
<v Speaker 2>ten guys. If you just hire Howard Stern, you wipe

1057
00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:39.840
<v Speaker 2>them out. They're no longer even you know, viable as

1058
00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:43.440
<v Speaker 2>somebody to pay at a local radio station. Okay, because

1059
00:57:44.039 --> 00:57:46.559
<v Speaker 2>Stern takes your ratings, I mean, and he really did.

1060
00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Every market he would go into, he'd march in, beat

1061
00:57:49.400 --> 00:57:52.440
<v Speaker 2>the crap out of whoever was there, de throne, you know,

1062
00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:55.599
<v Speaker 2>the number one rated whatever it was, in almost every

1063
00:57:55.679 --> 00:57:56.360
<v Speaker 2>single market.

1064
00:57:57.519 --> 00:58:00.440
<v Speaker 3>But he would go for major markets too, And that's

1065
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:02.800
<v Speaker 3>why we didn't really get a lot of Howard Stern

1066
00:58:02.920 --> 00:58:06.960
<v Speaker 3>down here in North Carolina because one the markets weren't

1067
00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:10.159
<v Speaker 3>markets were okay, they weren't as big as he wanted,

1068
00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:13.679
<v Speaker 3>but people were just kind of put off by one,

1069
00:58:14.559 --> 00:58:20.519
<v Speaker 3>everything being about New York to his crudeness, I guess

1070
00:58:20.559 --> 00:58:22.320
<v Speaker 3>you could put it. Well, see, no, it just it

1071
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:23.440
<v Speaker 3>didn't go big here.

1072
00:58:24.119 --> 00:58:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Well see, that's the weird thing is he did get

1073
00:58:26.039 --> 00:58:29.039
<v Speaker 2>some of the small markets to begin with, but just

1074
00:58:29.159 --> 00:58:32.639
<v Speaker 2>like with everything in broadcasting, if you're super successful now

1075
00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:35.280
<v Speaker 2>it costs more money. These radio stations had to pay

1076
00:58:35.360 --> 00:58:36.039
<v Speaker 2>him to bring it in.

1077
00:58:36.800 --> 00:58:38.360
<v Speaker 1>So you know, your little.

1078
00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:42.679
<v Speaker 2>Radio station and you know Tuscaloosa or whatever is now

1079
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:46.400
<v Speaker 2>not able to afford Howard Stern, you see, So that's

1080
00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:48.440
<v Speaker 2>why he ended up more in the major markets. It

1081
00:58:48.559 --> 00:58:51.320
<v Speaker 2>wasn't because of the content. It was because of the price.

1082
00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:54.559
<v Speaker 2>You know, the argument being, look, maybe you got to

1083
00:58:54.559 --> 00:58:56.400
<v Speaker 2>pay us a huge amount of money to run the

1084
00:58:56.480 --> 00:58:59.639
<v Speaker 2>Stern Show, but you'll be able to charge x amount

1085
00:58:59.679 --> 00:59:01.119
<v Speaker 2>of dollars for your ad revenue.

1086
00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Well that's not true if you're.

1087
00:59:03.840 --> 00:59:06.320
<v Speaker 2>In not even a secondary market, you're not in one

1088
00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:08.760
<v Speaker 2>of the prime media markets. You're not in you know,

1089
00:59:08.880 --> 00:59:11.639
<v Speaker 2>the market that's attached to it. You're you know, you're

1090
00:59:11.719 --> 00:59:14.039
<v Speaker 2>you're two three steps down the ladder. You don't have

1091
00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:17.880
<v Speaker 2>the kind of money to pay sterarn See. And as

1092
00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:21.719
<v Speaker 2>he was, you know, really collecting, he had seemingly just

1093
00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:26.079
<v Speaker 2>about every major market in the country. He was dominating

1094
00:59:26.159 --> 00:59:30.440
<v Speaker 2>in broadcast radio right at that point he went to

1095
00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:32.840
<v Speaker 2>satellite radio, and everybody thought it was crazy, it was

1096
00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:35.400
<v Speaker 2>going to be a failure, et cetera, et cetera. And

1097
00:59:35.559 --> 00:59:37.599
<v Speaker 2>the fact is they're paying him over one hundred million

1098
00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:41.519
<v Speaker 2>dollars a year and they can afford it based on

1099
00:59:41.639 --> 00:59:44.079
<v Speaker 2>the fact that he's got so many people that subscribe

1100
00:59:44.119 --> 00:59:48.039
<v Speaker 2>to Cirrus Cyrus at first now Cerrus XM, because at

1101
00:59:48.079 --> 00:59:51.679
<v Speaker 2>first they were two separate companies, right, you know, and

1102
00:59:51.880 --> 00:59:55.079
<v Speaker 2>and the thing is there, he's got enough subscribers that

1103
00:59:55.199 --> 00:59:59.639
<v Speaker 2>go to that radio uh you know service just because

1104
00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:03.960
<v Speaker 2>of how snern. Then he's worth that hundred million dollars VPTE.

1105
01:00:04.159 --> 01:00:07.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, he makes enough in revenue right there. Plus

1106
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:10.840
<v Speaker 2>they run commercials on a show by the way, you

1107
01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:13.639
<v Speaker 2>know it's not commercial free, right.

1108
01:00:13.800 --> 01:00:16.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I've never been a big fan of satellite radio,

1109
01:00:16.480 --> 01:00:18.760
<v Speaker 3>and I guess it's because on a lot of the stations,

1110
01:00:18.880 --> 01:00:21.400
<v Speaker 3>especially for news. I mean, talk is one thing, but

1111
01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:24.840
<v Speaker 3>if you want strictly news, and I'm a news junkie, yeah,

1112
01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:27.119
<v Speaker 3>you know, I'll take it basically any form it comes.

1113
01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:31.440
<v Speaker 3>But the problem is you're getting the feed like Fox.

1114
01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:35.000
<v Speaker 3>You're getting the feed of Fox and Friends in the morning,

1115
01:00:35.320 --> 01:00:38.039
<v Speaker 3>and when the ad time comes up, it goes blank

1116
01:00:38.119 --> 01:00:43.000
<v Speaker 3>for two minutes and then kicks back in. It's it's

1117
01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:46.760
<v Speaker 3>almost like I can watch this on TV. It's just

1118
01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:50.159
<v Speaker 3>I'm stuck in my car, right, So, yeah, I would.

1119
01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:53.000
<v Speaker 3>I never could get into I didn't think it was

1120
01:00:53.079 --> 01:00:57.480
<v Speaker 3>worth the money for dedicated satellite radio because I got Bluetooth.

1121
01:00:57.960 --> 01:00:59.920
<v Speaker 4>I can't stream anything on my phone while I'm dry

1122
01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:01.000
<v Speaker 4>and listen to it.

1123
01:01:01.639 --> 01:01:03.519
<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, it was doing that yeah.

1124
01:01:03.639 --> 01:01:05.880
<v Speaker 3>Even though it was free for three months when I

1125
01:01:05.960 --> 01:01:10.159
<v Speaker 3>bought the car, I never renewed it. Now holiday time

1126
01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:13.519
<v Speaker 3>they come up with a free set of limited channels

1127
01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:17.920
<v Speaker 3>starting in November, hoping that you'll buy a subscription for

1128
01:01:18.079 --> 01:01:21.840
<v Speaker 3>somebody for Christmas. You know, in January it goes back

1129
01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:27.559
<v Speaker 3>to the basic advertisement channel for XM when you punch

1130
01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:29.559
<v Speaker 3>it on your car if you're not a member. So

1131
01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:31.639
<v Speaker 3>I went through it when I got my new truck

1132
01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:35.239
<v Speaker 3>at work, it had XM free for a month, and

1133
01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:36.880
<v Speaker 3>after thirty days.

1134
01:01:36.679 --> 01:01:37.880
<v Speaker 4>You didn't listen to anything.

1135
01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:39.519
<v Speaker 3>I thought, you know, I'm not going to spend the

1136
01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:42.719
<v Speaker 3>money that they want to listen to something I can

1137
01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:44.519
<v Speaker 3>stream over my phone for free.

1138
01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:46.159
<v Speaker 1>Well. See, here's the thing.

1139
01:01:46.519 --> 01:01:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Before the time when a lot of these things could

1140
01:01:49.360 --> 01:01:53.320
<v Speaker 2>be streamed and the internet had easy access to various broadcasts.

1141
01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:57.159
<v Speaker 1>Like you know, I am a small online radio station

1142
01:01:57.320 --> 01:01:58.199
<v Speaker 1>right now, right.

1143
01:01:58.880 --> 01:02:01.000
<v Speaker 2>There are plenty of free statesations out there that you

1144
01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:03.480
<v Speaker 2>could just get as long as you have the right devices.

1145
01:02:04.199 --> 01:02:05.440
<v Speaker 1>But in the early two.

1146
01:02:05.400 --> 01:02:08.039
<v Speaker 2>Thousands, and even going all the way up to say,

1147
01:02:08.199 --> 01:02:10.559
<v Speaker 2>like you know, I don't know, twenty fifteen or so,

1148
01:02:11.679 --> 01:02:14.280
<v Speaker 2>there weren't that many, you know, there weren't that many

1149
01:02:14.360 --> 01:02:17.320
<v Speaker 2>stations out there. You didn't have a good variety, and

1150
01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:22.639
<v Speaker 2>the satellite broadcasting was way more available, say in you know,

1151
01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:23.599
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and one.

1152
01:02:23.719 --> 01:02:27.039
<v Speaker 3>Yes, And also also at that time, you didn't have

1153
01:02:27.159 --> 01:02:29.239
<v Speaker 3>the prevalence of bluetooth in your car.

1154
01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:32.800
<v Speaker 4>You had satellite radio, but you didn't have the.

1155
01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:36.039
<v Speaker 3>Ability to you know, bluetooth your phone into your car

1156
01:02:36.280 --> 01:02:37.880
<v Speaker 3>to be able to do this, that and the other.

1157
01:02:38.119 --> 01:02:39.639
<v Speaker 3>Well that's the next thing, your phone.

1158
01:02:39.760 --> 01:02:41.119
<v Speaker 1>See that's the next advantage.

1159
01:02:41.119 --> 01:02:44.840
<v Speaker 2>See, you know, iPods and things were not easily integrated

1160
01:02:44.920 --> 01:02:49.599
<v Speaker 2>into anything. But they started selling cars with these radios

1161
01:02:49.639 --> 01:02:53.519
<v Speaker 2>built in. So you had one already installed. You didn't

1162
01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:55.559
<v Speaker 2>have to go buy the radio. Now it's already in

1163
01:02:55.639 --> 01:02:59.360
<v Speaker 2>your new car, et cetera, et cetera, and U. But

1164
01:02:59.559 --> 01:03:01.599
<v Speaker 2>if you want to and you had an older cart,

1165
01:03:01.719 --> 01:03:03.719
<v Speaker 2>you could go buy a thing and pretty much, you know,

1166
01:03:03.880 --> 01:03:06.199
<v Speaker 2>within a couple of minutes, you could stick this thing up.

1167
01:03:06.199 --> 01:03:10.679
<v Speaker 1>Make a phone call, Boom, your radio's turned on. And

1168
01:03:10.840 --> 01:03:11.400
<v Speaker 1>that's the thing.

1169
01:03:11.519 --> 01:03:15.280
<v Speaker 2>Now it had some commercial free stuff and talk radio

1170
01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:20.199
<v Speaker 2>of all kinds along with those channel simulcasts that you're

1171
01:03:20.239 --> 01:03:24.519
<v Speaker 2>talking about, but also they had specialized programming like you know,

1172
01:03:25.039 --> 01:03:29.559
<v Speaker 2>little Steve, Little Stephen Stephen van Zant has you know,

1173
01:03:29.920 --> 01:03:31.760
<v Speaker 2>a I don't know if he's got a whole station

1174
01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:35.159
<v Speaker 2>or just a show. But you know, nowadays you have

1175
01:03:35.639 --> 01:03:39.559
<v Speaker 2>Ozzie's Graveyard or Ozzie's Boneyard, which is, you know, a

1176
01:03:39.639 --> 01:03:43.159
<v Speaker 2>hard rock station twenty four to seven. Sometimes Ozzy comes

1177
01:03:43.199 --> 01:03:47.079
<v Speaker 2>on and DJ's the shows. You got different rock stars

1178
01:03:47.119 --> 01:03:49.800
<v Speaker 2>who during their breaks went on and ran radio shows,

1179
01:03:50.719 --> 01:03:53.800
<v Speaker 2>et cetera, et cetera, because they were trying to capitalize

1180
01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:57.519
<v Speaker 2>on stuff like Alice Cooper who had a nationally syndicated

1181
01:03:57.639 --> 01:03:59.960
<v Speaker 2>radio show for many years. I don't know if he's

1182
01:04:00.039 --> 01:04:04.480
<v Speaker 2>still does, but they had something with Alice Cooper, Late

1183
01:04:04.599 --> 01:04:07.599
<v Speaker 2>Nights with Alice Cooper or something Nights with.

1184
01:04:07.639 --> 01:04:10.559
<v Speaker 3>Alice one of the big things. When Garth Books started.

1185
01:04:10.239 --> 01:04:13.239
<v Speaker 1>His channel and all, well there you go see and

1186
01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:14.719
<v Speaker 1>different people have started channels.

1187
01:04:14.760 --> 01:04:17.519
<v Speaker 2>Plus there's comedy channels on there where they run stand

1188
01:04:17.599 --> 01:04:22.159
<v Speaker 2>up comedians Kevin Hart or somebody has like a full

1189
01:04:22.239 --> 01:04:22.960
<v Speaker 2>channel on there.

1190
01:04:23.239 --> 01:04:23.400
<v Speaker 1>Right.

1191
01:04:25.079 --> 01:04:27.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, when I would listen to X Sam, that was

1192
01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:29.960
<v Speaker 3>the only thing I would listen to. As the comedy.

1193
01:04:30.440 --> 01:04:33.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, I love the comedy channels. But you know,

1194
01:04:34.039 --> 01:04:35.360
<v Speaker 1>but here you go, it seemed like.

1195
01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:38.679
<v Speaker 2>And now because it's competing with the fact that there's

1196
01:04:38.719 --> 01:04:41.559
<v Speaker 2>so many things available on the internet, and you have

1197
01:04:41.760 --> 01:04:45.360
<v Speaker 2>internet access in your car, I mean without bluetooth even

1198
01:04:45.519 --> 01:04:47.360
<v Speaker 2>you can just set it up so that your radio

1199
01:04:48.119 --> 01:04:50.559
<v Speaker 2>is able to pick up things from the Internet and

1200
01:04:50.679 --> 01:04:53.280
<v Speaker 2>you just send the signal through boom, you know, like

1201
01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:55.320
<v Speaker 2>you could listen to and I know there were guys

1202
01:04:55.440 --> 01:05:00.639
<v Speaker 2>listening to my little radio station for while there a

1203
01:05:00.679 --> 01:05:02.559
<v Speaker 2>couple of years ago. I was hearing from these guys

1204
01:05:02.599 --> 01:05:06.039
<v Speaker 2>who got together. They did construction work in Ireland, right,

1205
01:05:06.639 --> 01:05:08.280
<v Speaker 2>and what they would do is they would get into

1206
01:05:08.320 --> 01:05:11.239
<v Speaker 2>a van, like five six guys in a workman and

1207
01:05:11.320 --> 01:05:13.840
<v Speaker 2>they would ride to the job site, which at that

1208
01:05:13.960 --> 01:05:16.280
<v Speaker 2>time their job site was more than an hour away,

1209
01:05:17.159 --> 01:05:19.960
<v Speaker 2>and they were putting on o'helly dot com radio in

1210
01:05:20.119 --> 01:05:24.199
<v Speaker 2>Ireland and just listening to the replay shows early morning

1211
01:05:24.400 --> 01:05:25.039
<v Speaker 2>in Ireland.

1212
01:05:26.199 --> 01:05:28.079
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I mean, and that's what I you know, that's

1213
01:05:28.119 --> 01:05:31.719
<v Speaker 3>what I do here when I listened to something off

1214
01:05:31.760 --> 01:05:34.840
<v Speaker 3>the web, you know, on your show, I'm on my

1215
01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:37.800
<v Speaker 3>way to work or I'm at work, because I can

1216
01:05:37.880 --> 01:05:39.880
<v Speaker 3>pause it when I want, I can get back into

1217
01:05:39.920 --> 01:05:41.760
<v Speaker 3>it if something comes up. I'm out of the truck

1218
01:05:41.800 --> 01:05:43.800
<v Speaker 3>looking at something. You know, boom, I can stop it,

1219
01:05:43.880 --> 01:05:46.440
<v Speaker 3>come back and pick up where I left off. It's

1220
01:05:46.519 --> 01:05:49.199
<v Speaker 3>just so convenient for me, right And although you know,

1221
01:05:49.400 --> 01:05:53.400
<v Speaker 3>I hate to admit it, but you know, I spent

1222
01:05:53.519 --> 01:05:58.199
<v Speaker 3>money with Gaggle so that I could have my YouTube music.

1223
01:05:58.679 --> 01:06:01.039
<v Speaker 3>And that's why I bought a premium was so I

1224
01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:04.280
<v Speaker 3>could get the music without the commercials out down through that.

1225
01:06:05.119 --> 01:06:08.880
<v Speaker 3>I can also you know, put YouTube through my blue

1226
01:06:08.920 --> 01:06:12.559
<v Speaker 3>tooth if I want. But for me driving, you know,

1227
01:06:12.719 --> 01:06:16.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't need. I used to carry CDs. The last

1228
01:06:16.920 --> 01:06:19.280
<v Speaker 3>car I bought didn't have a CD player. It had

1229
01:06:19.320 --> 01:06:22.400
<v Speaker 3>thumb drives, so I had to swipe all my music

1230
01:06:22.519 --> 01:06:24.840
<v Speaker 3>over loaded up on thumb drives. You know, I had

1231
01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:29.559
<v Speaker 3>thumb drives enough for thirty six continuous hours of mixed music.

1232
01:06:29.760 --> 01:06:31.320
<v Speaker 3>So you like little I wanted to listen to.

1233
01:06:31.400 --> 01:06:34.239
<v Speaker 2>You had like little USB sticks that you could just

1234
01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:35.960
<v Speaker 2>plug in and you could play the music off.

1235
01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:37.119
<v Speaker 1>And that's pretty cool from.

1236
01:06:36.960 --> 01:06:38.960
<v Speaker 4>What right in the usdport and I could go.

1237
01:06:39.239 --> 01:06:41.480
<v Speaker 3>But then once I've had a car with Bluetooth in it,

1238
01:06:41.599 --> 01:06:43.800
<v Speaker 3>I thought, well, hey, I don't even have to mess

1239
01:06:43.880 --> 01:06:44.079
<v Speaker 3>with that.

1240
01:06:44.519 --> 01:06:44.920
<v Speaker 1>I got my.

1241
01:06:45.039 --> 01:06:48.320
<v Speaker 4>YouTube music boom. I just stream it while I'm driving

1242
01:06:48.519 --> 01:06:49.679
<v Speaker 4>to listen to anything I want.

1243
01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I agreed, But you know what we should

1244
01:06:53.559 --> 01:06:56.440
<v Speaker 2>one night do a thing about late night and you

1245
01:06:56.519 --> 01:06:58.920
<v Speaker 2>know the competition of it and what's mixed into it.

1246
01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:00.280
<v Speaker 1>Saturday Night Live.

1247
01:07:00.360 --> 01:07:02.280
<v Speaker 2>Still get to mention here, I can't believe that show

1248
01:07:02.360 --> 01:07:04.400
<v Speaker 2>is still on the air because a lot of times

1249
01:07:04.440 --> 01:07:06.360
<v Speaker 2>I've tried to watch it and it's terrible.

1250
01:07:07.039 --> 01:07:08.519
<v Speaker 4>Was that fifty years?

1251
01:07:09.239 --> 01:07:11.840
<v Speaker 2>Fifty years they've been around? But I'm telling you it's

1252
01:07:11.920 --> 01:07:15.480
<v Speaker 2>not winners every week for fifty years, because I've seen some.

1253
01:07:15.639 --> 01:07:17.599
<v Speaker 4>Shows in probably thirty years.

1254
01:07:18.119 --> 01:07:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Right, but have you you've caught clips here and there though, right?

1255
01:07:22.199 --> 01:07:24.639
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, because you know it's that's the first thing

1256
01:07:24.760 --> 01:07:27.559
<v Speaker 3>that usually that's the first thing they lead with on

1257
01:07:27.679 --> 01:07:30.760
<v Speaker 3>Monday morning on CBS News is something that happened on

1258
01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:32.719
<v Speaker 3>Saturday Night Live, poking fun at.

1259
01:07:32.639 --> 01:07:36.960
<v Speaker 1>Somebody, right, especially yeah, like right now they watch.

1260
01:07:36.760 --> 01:07:40.639
<v Speaker 4>Anything here on on you know, a program on the net.

1261
01:07:41.079 --> 01:07:42.960
<v Speaker 4>That's first thing you revenues.

1262
01:07:43.519 --> 01:07:47.440
<v Speaker 3>They were spearing Trump over this or or because this

1263
01:07:47.679 --> 01:07:50.119
<v Speaker 3>year when they started the season year of what a

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01:07:50.199 --> 01:07:52.719
<v Speaker 3>month and a half ago, two no back, it was

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01:07:52.840 --> 01:07:56.000
<v Speaker 3>September when they came out with the new This was

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01:07:56.079 --> 01:07:58.199
<v Speaker 3>their fiftieth year, so this was going to be a

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01:07:58.239 --> 01:08:01.199
<v Speaker 3>big year. This is the first year that people are

1268
01:08:01.239 --> 01:08:04.000
<v Speaker 3>taking note that they've gone after. They didn't go after

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01:08:04.079 --> 01:08:08.199
<v Speaker 3>Biden until after he decided to step down. Saturday Night

1270
01:08:08.280 --> 01:08:10.840
<v Speaker 3>Live came out with their first show and they started

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01:08:10.840 --> 01:08:16.039
<v Speaker 3>spearing Democrats, and that's what caught everybody's attention in mainstream media.

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01:08:16.279 --> 01:08:17.159
<v Speaker 5>Oh wait a minute.

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01:08:17.800 --> 01:08:20.119
<v Speaker 3>They're not just going after Trump. They're not just going

1274
01:08:20.159 --> 01:08:25.479
<v Speaker 3>after conservatives, they're not just going after Christian nationalists. They're

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01:08:25.560 --> 01:08:27.960
<v Speaker 3>going after Kamala. Something has changed.

1276
01:08:28.079 --> 01:08:28.800
<v Speaker 1>No, not only.

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01:08:28.720 --> 01:08:31.680
<v Speaker 2>Kamala, but I tuned into a couple of clips and man,

1278
01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:33.840
<v Speaker 2>they're totally like out of it.

1279
01:08:34.039 --> 01:08:37.119
<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden guy is also pretty funny.

1280
01:08:37.920 --> 01:08:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Uh, But they didn't show that until after the collapse

1281
01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:43.000
<v Speaker 2>of j Finan's campaign and all that.

1282
01:08:43.680 --> 01:08:48.840
<v Speaker 3>David Harvey came back to pull of Biden backt Yeah,

1283
01:08:49.439 --> 01:08:54.279
<v Speaker 3>that was bringing these older stars back.

1284
01:08:54.199 --> 01:08:56.439
<v Speaker 4>And look at them in these sketches, and they're really

1285
01:08:56.520 --> 01:09:01.520
<v Speaker 4>catching on. It's a surprising thing the media to realize today.

1286
01:09:01.680 --> 01:09:04.359
<v Speaker 3>Maybe Saturday Night Live has come to a realization that,

1287
01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:07.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, dumping on one side is not profitable because

1288
01:09:07.720 --> 01:09:09.720
<v Speaker 3>the show really has gone down in ratings in the

1289
01:09:09.800 --> 01:09:13.079
<v Speaker 3>past few years. It's you a resurgent because it is

1290
01:09:13.159 --> 01:09:16.560
<v Speaker 3>the fiftieth year. It's hard to imagine. When Saturday Night

1291
01:09:16.640 --> 01:09:19.199
<v Speaker 3>Live first came out, people thought this is not going

1292
01:09:19.279 --> 01:09:21.840
<v Speaker 3>to last, right, they win big guns.

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01:09:22.119 --> 01:09:25.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I remember in the late seventies exactly because

1294
01:09:25.840 --> 01:09:28.239
<v Speaker 2>I remember it in the late seventies, like, you know,

1295
01:09:28.399 --> 01:09:29.439
<v Speaker 2>the original lineup.

1296
01:09:29.560 --> 01:09:32.640
<v Speaker 1>I think it was what year did they say, seventy six?

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01:09:32.760 --> 01:09:37.039
<v Speaker 4>Maybe, well, what's fifty years?

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01:09:37.119 --> 01:09:38.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was a little kid.

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01:09:39.520 --> 01:09:41.600
<v Speaker 2>Well, I know, I was a little kid and I

1300
01:09:41.760 --> 01:09:45.560
<v Speaker 2>saw it, and I remember, you know, John Blueshei and

1301
01:09:45.720 --> 01:09:49.720
<v Speaker 2>all that. Right, it was pretty wild, you know, and

1302
01:09:49.840 --> 01:09:52.439
<v Speaker 2>it was I do remember people talking about it saying,

1303
01:09:52.560 --> 01:09:55.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, this thing is crazy and it's not going

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01:09:55.199 --> 01:09:55.520
<v Speaker 2>to last.

1305
01:09:55.600 --> 01:09:58.279
<v Speaker 3>A can't. Yeah, look at the effect that it had

1306
01:09:58.359 --> 01:10:03.159
<v Speaker 3>on the rest of entertainment, entertainment media. I mean, look

1307
01:10:03.199 --> 01:10:08.720
<v Speaker 3>at the movies that were generated from Belushi and Achoid

1308
01:10:09.039 --> 01:10:13.600
<v Speaker 3>and Ghostbusters. Well that's Saturday Night Live cast right there.

1309
01:10:15.439 --> 01:10:18.359
<v Speaker 1>Right. Well, here we go.

1310
01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Let's let's get to this and uh and and see

1311
01:10:22.000 --> 01:10:24.720
<v Speaker 2>what we can what we can learn from the callers.

1312
01:10:24.800 --> 01:10:26.880
<v Speaker 1>I do have a caller and.

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01:10:28.640 --> 01:10:30.800
<v Speaker 2>Let's see what do we got here. I'm getting a

1314
01:10:30.840 --> 01:10:33.039
<v Speaker 2>weird message. I'll deal with this later. This is not

1315
01:10:33.119 --> 01:10:35.560
<v Speaker 2>something to be dealt with on air. But I do

1316
01:10:35.720 --> 01:10:37.680
<v Speaker 2>want to get to the callers, anybody who calls in.

1317
01:10:37.840 --> 01:10:39.520
<v Speaker 2>We do have to get to a break soon too.

1318
01:10:40.159 --> 01:10:43.800
<v Speaker 2>But apparently I missed him there for a while. Jimmy

1319
01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:45.479
<v Speaker 2>James is on hold, so I want to get him

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01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:47.960
<v Speaker 2>on air only because he was waiting a long time,

1321
01:10:48.039 --> 01:10:49.640
<v Speaker 2>and then we're going to go to a break. Okay,

1322
01:10:50.039 --> 01:10:53.000
<v Speaker 2>be pete. But also looks like we may not have

1323
01:10:53.199 --> 01:10:57.760
<v Speaker 2>Aaron Franz tonight, so come ten o'clock, I have options.

1324
01:10:58.279 --> 01:10:59.680
<v Speaker 2>We'll see what we do, but I don't think I'm

1325
01:10:59.680 --> 01:11:02.880
<v Speaker 2>gonna go, you know, very long, unless you guys insist

1326
01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:05.800
<v Speaker 2>upon it. If we get some new callers, things like that,

1327
01:11:06.039 --> 01:11:08.319
<v Speaker 2>or we not new callers. But if we get enough

1328
01:11:08.399 --> 01:11:10.960
<v Speaker 2>callers and enough discussion going, we'll see where we go,

1329
01:11:12.239 --> 01:11:14.199
<v Speaker 2>you know. And even if BP can't hang, I'll try

1330
01:11:14.239 --> 01:11:16.359
<v Speaker 2>and hang. But we're going to have to get to

1331
01:11:16.479 --> 01:11:19.079
<v Speaker 2>a break pretty soon. So what do you think, Peach?

1332
01:11:19.079 --> 01:11:20.920
<v Speaker 2>Should we go to Jimmy and then go to a break,

1333
01:11:20.960 --> 01:11:24.600
<v Speaker 2>because I prefer to do that. He's been on hold. Jeez,

1334
01:11:24.680 --> 01:11:26.159
<v Speaker 2>I missed him by quite a bit. He's been on

1335
01:11:26.239 --> 01:11:30.079
<v Speaker 2>hold like twenty minutes. I didn't see him at the bottom. Okay,

1336
01:11:30.560 --> 01:11:33.119
<v Speaker 2>so my mistake, Jimmy. I meant to get you on sooner.

1337
01:11:34.520 --> 01:11:35.760
<v Speaker 1>But there you are.

1338
01:11:35.920 --> 01:11:37.720
<v Speaker 2>You're live, and I just didn't see you at the

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01:11:37.720 --> 01:11:39.800
<v Speaker 2>bottom of the list. I had to scroll up and

1340
01:11:40.239 --> 01:11:42.960
<v Speaker 2>you weren't there on the bottom of the list. But

1341
01:11:43.119 --> 01:11:45.239
<v Speaker 2>nobody else is called in, by the way, either, and

1342
01:11:45.359 --> 01:11:47.840
<v Speaker 2>I didn't get my usual show on the screen. So

1343
01:11:48.439 --> 01:11:50.520
<v Speaker 2>now I see you, and I'm sorry, and I'm even

1344
01:11:50.560 --> 01:11:51.800
<v Speaker 2>gonna hold off on taking.

1345
01:11:51.640 --> 01:11:55.199
<v Speaker 1>A break because you're live. Jimmy James, what's on your mind?

1346
01:12:01.439 --> 01:12:01.720
<v Speaker 6>All right?

1347
01:12:02.319 --> 01:12:03.279
<v Speaker 3>This works out good.

1348
01:12:03.319 --> 01:12:07.000
<v Speaker 5>I wanna terrogate b Pete.

1349
01:12:07.680 --> 01:12:11.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, are you are you prepared? Are you prepared

1350
01:12:11.880 --> 01:12:12.640
<v Speaker 1>for interrogation?

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01:12:12.840 --> 01:12:16.279
<v Speaker 3>Sir? I don't know, Jimmy James. You know how that

1352
01:12:16.359 --> 01:12:16.640
<v Speaker 3>can be.

1353
01:12:16.840 --> 01:12:19.399
<v Speaker 2>Hey, man, look, I am not responsible for what Jimmy

1354
01:12:19.479 --> 01:12:21.880
<v Speaker 2>James does to you during interrogation. I'm just telling you

1355
01:12:22.039 --> 01:12:24.520
<v Speaker 2>and the listeners right now that I have no control

1356
01:12:24.720 --> 01:12:26.720
<v Speaker 2>over what Jimmy James says or does here.

1357
01:12:26.800 --> 01:12:31.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you've been working on Jimmy interrogate away.

1358
01:12:33.920 --> 01:12:37.079
<v Speaker 5>All right, I'm old school. I'm getting off the phone book.

1359
01:12:37.560 --> 01:12:38.600
<v Speaker 5>It's gonna work them.

1360
01:12:38.479 --> 01:12:40.399
<v Speaker 3>Over nice now.

1361
01:12:40.479 --> 01:12:40.960
<v Speaker 2>I was won.

1362
01:12:42.560 --> 01:12:46.399
<v Speaker 5>Be Pete in your opinion. I'm just curious about this.

1363
01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:49.000
<v Speaker 3>What what what is?

1364
01:12:49.399 --> 01:12:49.439
<v Speaker 4>What?

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01:12:49.840 --> 01:12:52.960
<v Speaker 5>What was the best Daytona five hundred ever?

1366
01:12:54.479 --> 01:12:57.159
<v Speaker 1>Hm hmmm, question I'd asked you.

1367
01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:02.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't know about the best when it was probably

1368
01:13:03.079 --> 01:13:05.600
<v Speaker 3>the most tragic one, but that was the one that

1369
01:13:05.720 --> 01:13:09.399
<v Speaker 3>stands out in my mind is the one where Dale

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01:13:09.439 --> 01:13:15.119
<v Speaker 3>Earnhardt Junior won and his dad ended up dying on

1371
01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:17.880
<v Speaker 3>the final lap. That's the one that stands out in

1372
01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:18.439
<v Speaker 3>my mind.

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01:13:19.640 --> 01:13:21.640
<v Speaker 1>Wow, that was at a Daytona five hundred.

1374
01:13:23.399 --> 01:13:27.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Daytona five hundred is always the opening race for

1375
01:13:27.640 --> 01:13:30.560
<v Speaker 3>the season. You know Super Bowls at the end of

1376
01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:33.479
<v Speaker 3>the football season. You know the World Series is at

1377
01:13:33.520 --> 01:13:36.720
<v Speaker 3>the end of the baseball season, and NASCAR puts their

1378
01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:38.359
<v Speaker 3>biggest race to open the season.

1379
01:13:39.319 --> 01:13:40.760
<v Speaker 4>That's the Daytona five hundred.

1380
01:13:41.319 --> 01:13:43.680
<v Speaker 2>By the way, Jimmy, just I know you want to

1381
01:13:43.720 --> 01:13:45.720
<v Speaker 2>interrogate b Pete, but I want to tell you how

1382
01:13:45.800 --> 01:13:49.640
<v Speaker 2>happy I am that the LA Dodgers beat the damn

1383
01:13:49.880 --> 01:13:50.880
<v Speaker 2>New York Yankees.

1384
01:13:51.479 --> 01:13:54.439
<v Speaker 1>So I'm just happy to see the Yankees lose but

1385
01:13:54.560 --> 01:13:54.880
<v Speaker 1>go ahead.

1386
01:13:55.000 --> 01:13:58.319
<v Speaker 5>No, I thought they were going to make a comeback.

1387
01:13:59.039 --> 01:14:00.760
<v Speaker 5>I felt their problem.

1388
01:14:01.880 --> 01:14:04.680
<v Speaker 1>They tried, they tried, but I'm glad they failed.

1389
01:14:08.239 --> 01:14:10.239
<v Speaker 3>You think about it, they had what they started out

1390
01:14:10.279 --> 01:14:12.840
<v Speaker 3>with five runs right off the bat, and then one

1391
01:14:13.600 --> 01:14:17.640
<v Speaker 3>misplay from a pitcher turned that entire game around.

1392
01:14:17.920 --> 01:14:19.720
<v Speaker 1>Yep. The momentum shifted.

1393
01:14:21.319 --> 01:14:23.399
<v Speaker 2>And the next thing you knew is that the Dodgers

1394
01:14:23.600 --> 01:14:26.159
<v Speaker 2>just methodically marched through them, didn't they.

1395
01:14:27.039 --> 01:14:27.159
<v Speaker 3>Uh?

1396
01:14:27.680 --> 01:14:29.359
<v Speaker 2>And I was so glad to see it. Man, I

1397
01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:32.000
<v Speaker 2>hate it when the Yankees win. I'd never like to

1398
01:14:32.039 --> 01:14:34.439
<v Speaker 2>see the Yankees win. And you know what, if I

1399
01:14:34.479 --> 01:14:37.039
<v Speaker 2>can't root for the Mets, I'll root for whoever the

1400
01:14:37.119 --> 01:14:39.000
<v Speaker 2>hell is playing the Yankees to beat them.

1401
01:14:39.319 --> 01:14:40.199
<v Speaker 1>I don't care who else.

1402
01:14:40.239 --> 01:14:43.479
<v Speaker 3>I didn't really care who won on this one because

1403
01:14:43.560 --> 01:14:47.479
<v Speaker 3>I'm a Toronto fan, just because my past affiliation with them,

1404
01:14:47.520 --> 01:14:49.359
<v Speaker 3>and they're in the Al East and they have to

1405
01:14:49.439 --> 01:14:51.399
<v Speaker 3>deal with the Yankees every year, and I get tired

1406
01:14:51.439 --> 01:14:55.159
<v Speaker 3>of the Yankees. But I wanted to continue a couple

1407
01:14:55.279 --> 01:14:59.520
<v Speaker 3>more games because these guys on both sides were knocking

1408
01:14:59.600 --> 01:15:02.920
<v Speaker 3>to out of the ball every night. You see, that's

1409
01:15:02.960 --> 01:15:04.000
<v Speaker 3>something you thought fast.

1410
01:15:04.359 --> 01:15:07.680
<v Speaker 2>You got to say that it was exciting games of interest.

1411
01:15:07.760 --> 01:15:10.880
<v Speaker 2>There was nothing where it was just complete, yawning blowout.

1412
01:15:11.520 --> 01:15:13.880
<v Speaker 2>There was nothing where even the pitching duel, which some

1413
01:15:13.920 --> 01:15:16.560
<v Speaker 2>people think is exciting, you know that you didn't have

1414
01:15:16.680 --> 01:15:21.560
<v Speaker 2>pitching duels that were ridiculously boring. A few Boks though,

1415
01:15:21.720 --> 01:15:24.319
<v Speaker 2>that was a weird thing. I don't recall ever seeing

1416
01:15:24.439 --> 01:15:26.560
<v Speaker 2>before in a World Series.

1417
01:15:26.359 --> 01:15:29.840
<v Speaker 3>Box because they changed. Yeah, they changed the rule on box.

1418
01:15:30.479 --> 01:15:33.840
<v Speaker 3>You know, if you if you throw twice, you're allowed

1419
01:15:33.880 --> 01:15:36.239
<v Speaker 3>three times to pick somebody off, because it used to

1420
01:15:36.359 --> 01:15:37.960
<v Speaker 3>drag out the game, and that was one of the

1421
01:15:38.039 --> 01:15:39.279
<v Speaker 3>complaints that they came up with.

1422
01:15:39.399 --> 01:15:40.239
<v Speaker 4>Remember when they came.

1423
01:15:40.199 --> 01:15:44.720
<v Speaker 3>Up with the hitting clock, Well that kind of disappeared,

1424
01:15:44.800 --> 01:15:47.079
<v Speaker 3>but the one that stayed was the Balk rule where

1425
01:15:47.680 --> 01:15:49.680
<v Speaker 3>you try to pick the guy off. If you don't

1426
01:15:49.720 --> 01:15:52.159
<v Speaker 3>get him on the third chance, he gets awarded a base.

1427
01:15:52.439 --> 01:15:55.359
<v Speaker 2>Right, So technically you can throw three times, but you

1428
01:15:55.479 --> 01:16:00.439
<v Speaker 2>got to nail him on that third attempt otherwise Buck exactly. Yeah,

1429
01:16:00.479 --> 01:16:02.960
<v Speaker 2>And I didn't know that when I saw it because

1430
01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:04.600
<v Speaker 2>I was looking at it because I was looking for,

1431
01:16:04.800 --> 01:16:07.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, miscontact with the rubber or something like that,

1432
01:16:07.479 --> 01:16:09.760
<v Speaker 2>because there was some other books that happened that didn't

1433
01:16:09.800 --> 01:16:12.560
<v Speaker 2>have to do it with the Throad earlier in the series.

1434
01:16:13.600 --> 01:16:16.000
<v Speaker 1>But either way, errors by the Yankees.

1435
01:16:16.399 --> 01:16:19.239
<v Speaker 2>But also don't take a single thing away from the

1436
01:16:19.319 --> 01:16:21.560
<v Speaker 2>fact that the Dodgers were in it.

1437
01:16:22.000 --> 01:16:25.399
<v Speaker 1>Every inning. It seemed like they were in it. It

1438
01:16:25.640 --> 01:16:28.600
<v Speaker 1>wasn't like they ever laid down and gave up.

1439
01:16:28.640 --> 01:16:30.800
<v Speaker 4>We had saw some great brand slams too.

1440
01:16:31.840 --> 01:16:36.920
<v Speaker 3>I mean, these guys hitters, it's amazing the power that

1441
01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:39.600
<v Speaker 3>these hitters have nowadays. I don't know if it's a

1442
01:16:39.760 --> 01:16:43.399
<v Speaker 3>change in the equipment or the technology or just their

1443
01:16:43.520 --> 01:16:47.000
<v Speaker 3>training that they go to, but these guys they're not

1444
01:16:47.119 --> 01:16:50.079
<v Speaker 3>going to cover off the balls. And when you I

1445
01:16:50.119 --> 01:16:52.880
<v Speaker 3>don't care what the game is, there's nothing more excited

1446
01:16:52.880 --> 01:16:55.640
<v Speaker 3>than a World Series game if you loved baseball. But

1447
01:16:55.840 --> 01:17:00.600
<v Speaker 3>for somebody, a walk off grand slam, I mean, you

1448
01:17:00.680 --> 01:17:03.319
<v Speaker 3>don't see that very often, you know. In fact, this

1449
01:17:03.560 --> 01:17:05.760
<v Speaker 3>was the first time it ever happened in a World

1450
01:17:05.840 --> 01:17:09.920
<v Speaker 3>Series game. But it wasn't just that game. The last

1451
01:17:10.079 --> 01:17:13.199
<v Speaker 3>game where the Yankees get boom grand slammed, are up

1452
01:17:13.199 --> 01:17:18.359
<v Speaker 3>by five runs. You know, it's just amazing the talent

1453
01:17:18.479 --> 01:17:21.439
<v Speaker 3>that we saw in this series. I hated to see

1454
01:17:21.479 --> 01:17:24.359
<v Speaker 3>it end. I guess I could pull for the Dodgers

1455
01:17:24.399 --> 01:17:26.560
<v Speaker 3>on this one because the Yankees had been in.

1456
01:17:26.600 --> 01:17:27.159
<v Speaker 7>It so long.

1457
01:17:27.319 --> 01:17:30.399
<v Speaker 3>But I thought, I'm like Jimmy thought they were gonna

1458
01:17:30.439 --> 01:17:32.039
<v Speaker 3>come back. We were gonna go another night.

1459
01:17:32.359 --> 01:17:33.239
<v Speaker 1>Well the Dodgers.

1460
01:17:33.359 --> 01:17:35.720
<v Speaker 2>Here's the cool thing though. The reason why the Dodgers

1461
01:17:35.840 --> 01:17:38.199
<v Speaker 2>are likely to get Grand Slams though, is because it

1462
01:17:38.279 --> 01:17:40.239
<v Speaker 2>seemed to me as though they were pointing them to

1463
01:17:40.279 --> 01:17:42.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot of statistics that said, these guys draw a

1464
01:17:43.000 --> 01:17:47.039
<v Speaker 2>lot of walks, just a lot. And look, no matter

1465
01:17:47.119 --> 01:17:49.479
<v Speaker 2>how you get people on base, if you keep loading

1466
01:17:49.560 --> 01:17:52.159
<v Speaker 2>up the bases, you're going to increase your chances of

1467
01:17:52.239 --> 01:17:52.920
<v Speaker 2>that Grand Slam.

1468
01:17:53.000 --> 01:17:54.239
<v Speaker 1>Baby. That's all there is to it.

1469
01:17:55.000 --> 01:17:56.319
<v Speaker 3>And uh, oh absolutely.

1470
01:17:56.560 --> 01:17:58.680
<v Speaker 1>You know what what is that guy?

1471
01:17:58.800 --> 01:18:00.800
<v Speaker 2>The Japanese guy who was like, you know, the hitter

1472
01:18:00.920 --> 01:18:03.560
<v Speaker 2>and pitcher that is like, you know, banging the ball out.

1473
01:18:03.600 --> 01:18:05.319
<v Speaker 1>What do you have fifty six home runs this year

1474
01:18:05.399 --> 01:18:05.760
<v Speaker 1>or something?

1475
01:18:07.239 --> 01:18:10.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, his souber injuries that hurt him.

1476
01:18:10.319 --> 01:18:12.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, but just the fact that this guy,

1477
01:18:13.119 --> 01:18:15.159
<v Speaker 2>yeah he can't pitch right now, but he could still hit.

1478
01:18:16.319 --> 01:18:19.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, he wasn't even the big productive guy. It

1479
01:18:20.000 --> 01:18:21.079
<v Speaker 1>was just amazing. The guy.

1480
01:18:21.159 --> 01:18:23.439
<v Speaker 2>I think they gave the MVP two is isn't he

1481
01:18:23.520 --> 01:18:25.800
<v Speaker 2>the same guy who hit like a home run in

1482
01:18:25.840 --> 01:18:27.680
<v Speaker 2>each of the four first four games?

1483
01:18:27.880 --> 01:18:32.319
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, I'm not sure what his name is, and

1484
01:18:32.479 --> 01:18:34.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm not up on these on these newer players on

1485
01:18:35.399 --> 01:18:36.039
<v Speaker 3>the Dodgers.

1486
01:18:36.239 --> 01:18:39.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's the thing. But it was good every night.

1487
01:18:39.640 --> 01:18:43.279
<v Speaker 1>It was good. Yeah, it was good. Baseball was solid

1488
01:18:43.319 --> 01:18:44.079
<v Speaker 1>all the way around.

1489
01:18:44.680 --> 01:18:46.520
<v Speaker 2>Even it wasn't even like even when he had a

1490
01:18:46.600 --> 01:18:48.960
<v Speaker 2>high scoring game, it didn't, you know, even when the

1491
01:18:49.039 --> 01:18:50.079
<v Speaker 2>game went high scoring.

1492
01:18:52.079 --> 01:18:52.920
<v Speaker 1>What's happen to me?

1493
01:18:53.119 --> 01:18:58.119
<v Speaker 5>They kept it pretty good. Yeah, and they yeah, halfway

1494
01:18:58.239 --> 01:19:01.439
<v Speaker 5>through that after the ink, just wanted to get that game.

1495
01:19:01.560 --> 01:19:04.479
<v Speaker 5>And then the next day, halfway through it sure looked

1496
01:19:04.520 --> 01:19:05.680
<v Speaker 5>like they're gonna win again.

1497
01:19:06.279 --> 01:19:06.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1498
01:19:06.640 --> 01:19:10.239
<v Speaker 5>They were even playing that Empire strikes Back music.

1499
01:19:10.520 --> 01:19:11.239
<v Speaker 3>So that's right.

1500
01:19:11.439 --> 01:19:14.560
<v Speaker 5>They know who they are. They're the Empire. We know.

1501
01:19:15.279 --> 01:19:16.520
<v Speaker 5>They don't need to tell us.

1502
01:19:16.760 --> 01:19:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Yep, yep. And the guy who yes question, what.

1503
01:19:25.520 --> 01:19:30.920
<v Speaker 3>What is your favorite five hundred?

1504
01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:37.680
<v Speaker 5>Well that's the whole thing. I'm not intimate NASCAR hold out,

1505
01:19:37.800 --> 01:19:38.359
<v Speaker 5>So I have to.

1506
01:19:38.359 --> 01:19:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Ask you, see now, why did you ask that question?

1507
01:19:41.039 --> 01:19:43.560
<v Speaker 1>If you're not even in the next car. This is weird.

1508
01:19:44.079 --> 01:19:46.159
<v Speaker 1>Why why did you need to know that from b Pete.

1509
01:19:46.159 --> 01:19:46.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm curious.

1510
01:19:48.479 --> 01:19:52.760
<v Speaker 5>I need to know things stories, some stories behind the stories.

1511
01:19:53.359 --> 01:19:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh uh, be Petey, there's something I must have missed here.

1512
01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:00.800
<v Speaker 3>What can you? Hell?

1513
01:20:02.279 --> 01:20:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Huh, there's something I missed here? I mean, are you

1514
01:20:05.079 --> 01:20:07.479
<v Speaker 2>just like taking a personality test from bpdre?

1515
01:20:07.600 --> 01:20:08.359
<v Speaker 1>Is that what we're doing here?

1516
01:20:08.399 --> 01:20:10.760
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna ask him a couple of other questions that

1517
01:20:10.800 --> 01:20:13.279
<v Speaker 2>won't make any sense to me, just to see what

1518
01:20:13.399 --> 01:20:14.159
<v Speaker 2>kind of guy he is.

1519
01:20:14.720 --> 01:20:17.439
<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is this is sating.

1520
01:20:18.840 --> 01:20:22.399
<v Speaker 5>It's nothing like that. Well continue, if he came au

1521
01:20:22.439 --> 01:20:26.039
<v Speaker 5>pot guy and his cars broke down offside the road.

1522
01:20:26.760 --> 01:20:29.600
<v Speaker 8>No no, no, not that, Oh no no, I need

1523
01:20:29.720 --> 01:20:30.840
<v Speaker 8>to know here.

1524
01:20:31.039 --> 01:20:33.039
<v Speaker 5>Here's what I want to know more about.

1525
01:20:33.640 --> 01:20:36.880
<v Speaker 1>In Roselle interrogate Away, I want to know more.

1526
01:20:38.039 --> 01:20:41.600
<v Speaker 5>I want to know more about Black Thursday. I want

1527
01:20:41.640 --> 01:20:44.800
<v Speaker 5>to know more about the nineteen seventy nine day two

1528
01:20:45.000 --> 01:20:49.279
<v Speaker 5>of five hundred. I want to know about Black Thursday.

1529
01:20:49.920 --> 01:20:50.840
<v Speaker 5>And I want to know.

1530
01:20:51.439 --> 01:20:54.199
<v Speaker 6>More about that Roselle that disappear.

1531
01:20:55.520 --> 01:21:04.960
<v Speaker 1>This is what I read, Roselle who disappeared? Yeah, well

1532
01:21:05.800 --> 01:21:06.399
<v Speaker 1>you're not talking.

1533
01:21:07.039 --> 01:21:12.439
<v Speaker 5>Yeah this show if you zo into this day I

1534
01:21:12.680 --> 01:21:17.399
<v Speaker 5>understanding is in nineteen seventy nine Day of five hundred.

1535
01:21:17.680 --> 01:21:22.880
<v Speaker 5>This kind of when NASCAR made it, when people actually

1536
01:21:23.000 --> 01:21:24.920
<v Speaker 5>started watching such.

1537
01:21:24.720 --> 01:21:25.399
<v Speaker 6>A big show.

1538
01:21:27.600 --> 01:21:29.880
<v Speaker 4>Well at that time, there's a big back then.

1539
01:21:30.119 --> 01:21:33.319
<v Speaker 3>That's that's when it was the old Winston Cup before

1540
01:21:33.560 --> 01:21:37.760
<v Speaker 3>the federal governments went after Joe Cammell and Winston had

1541
01:21:37.760 --> 01:21:42.800
<v Speaker 3>to pull their sponsorship of the entire series. And also

1542
01:21:43.800 --> 01:21:46.840
<v Speaker 3>back then, the Daytona five hundred was the second race

1543
01:21:46.920 --> 01:21:50.159
<v Speaker 3>of the year and not the first. They had changed

1544
01:21:50.199 --> 01:21:50.840
<v Speaker 3>it after that.

1545
01:21:51.039 --> 01:21:54.319
<v Speaker 1>But was it still called stock car racing then? Was

1546
01:21:54.319 --> 01:21:55.800
<v Speaker 1>it still called stock car racing.

1547
01:21:57.479 --> 01:22:00.880
<v Speaker 3>It's still called stock car racing, although it's not stock cars.

1548
01:22:01.520 --> 01:22:03.960
<v Speaker 3>Everything comes from a template. That's one of the biggest

1549
01:22:04.000 --> 01:22:05.840
<v Speaker 3>complaints that these.

1550
01:22:07.520 --> 01:22:08.039
<v Speaker 4>Teams have.

1551
01:22:08.800 --> 01:22:12.560
<v Speaker 3>They're regulated so much. They have been able to produce

1552
01:22:12.720 --> 01:22:17.000
<v Speaker 3>enough horsepower that if they somebody told me one time,

1553
01:22:17.079 --> 01:22:19.319
<v Speaker 3>these cars can go so fast if they turned the

1554
01:22:19.399 --> 01:22:23.399
<v Speaker 3>door sideways, they'd go airborne, meaning if you turn the

1555
01:22:23.520 --> 01:22:26.479
<v Speaker 3>doors like wings, they'd be taken off the horse power

1556
01:22:26.600 --> 01:22:30.359
<v Speaker 3>that these cars can generate now, but they started regulating things.

1557
01:22:30.439 --> 01:22:35.479
<v Speaker 3>Daytona is a super speedway, which means the restrictor plate racing.

1558
01:22:36.479 --> 01:22:38.840
<v Speaker 3>NASCAR came up with this side a while back on

1559
01:22:38.960 --> 01:22:44.039
<v Speaker 3>these bigger tracks Talladega, Daytona that.

1560
01:22:44.640 --> 01:22:45.680
<v Speaker 4>The cars.

1561
01:22:47.000 --> 01:22:49.520
<v Speaker 3>Had to be regulated, so they put in a restrictor

1562
01:22:49.600 --> 01:22:53.960
<v Speaker 3>plate under the old four barrel carburetor systems you have.

1563
01:22:54.319 --> 01:22:56.840
<v Speaker 3>You know, it sits on top of the manifold and

1564
01:22:57.119 --> 01:23:02.000
<v Speaker 3>your four barrels line up with barrels in the banifold

1565
01:23:02.119 --> 01:23:05.039
<v Speaker 3>to allow that gas mixture into the firing chamber.

1566
01:23:05.760 --> 01:23:08.359
<v Speaker 4>What they did is they called it's called restrictor plate racing.

1567
01:23:08.479 --> 01:23:10.520
<v Speaker 3>On these big tracks, they have to put a restrictor

1568
01:23:10.560 --> 01:23:14.720
<v Speaker 3>plate which restricts the amount of fuel that goes into

1569
01:23:15.960 --> 01:23:20.319
<v Speaker 3>the combustion chamber, and it actually slows the cars down.

1570
01:23:20.439 --> 01:23:21.359
<v Speaker 4>It impedes them.

1571
01:23:21.960 --> 01:23:23.640
<v Speaker 3>And one of the big complaints is we need to

1572
01:23:23.680 --> 01:23:26.439
<v Speaker 3>get rid of restrictor plate racing because all these cars

1573
01:23:26.520 --> 01:23:30.479
<v Speaker 3>they bunched up. People like to see rex. All these

1574
01:23:30.560 --> 01:23:33.279
<v Speaker 3>cars they bunched up on the track. Somebody makes them move,

1575
01:23:33.399 --> 01:23:36.399
<v Speaker 3>something happens, you're in a twenty car pile up. Oh,

1576
01:23:36.439 --> 01:23:39.119
<v Speaker 3>And that's great for the TV viewer, and that's great

1577
01:23:39.159 --> 01:23:42.119
<v Speaker 3>for the race fan, but it's not good for the

1578
01:23:42.239 --> 01:23:45.399
<v Speaker 3>race teams when you're tearing up multimillion dollar vehicles in

1579
01:23:45.479 --> 01:23:48.079
<v Speaker 3>one accident and you're having to haul it back to

1580
01:23:48.159 --> 01:23:53.359
<v Speaker 3>the shop as junk. So Daytona. You know, they used

1581
01:23:53.359 --> 01:23:56.199
<v Speaker 3>to race Daytona on the sand at Daytona beachs And

1582
01:23:56.279 --> 01:23:58.600
<v Speaker 3>they finally made the switch over the hard tavement once

1583
01:23:58.680 --> 01:24:04.720
<v Speaker 3>they built the dayton A system. But nowadays the cars

1584
01:24:04.720 --> 01:24:08.279
<v Speaker 3>are so regulated by NASCAR, they come up with a template.

1585
01:24:09.239 --> 01:24:12.520
<v Speaker 3>You know, back then you had you had Chevies, you

1586
01:24:12.680 --> 01:24:18.920
<v Speaker 3>had Fords, you had Mercury's, you had Buicks, you had

1587
01:24:19.119 --> 01:24:22.760
<v Speaker 3>all the makes. It started out these guys would get

1588
01:24:22.800 --> 01:24:24.840
<v Speaker 3>a car taken in their garage, fixed it up, take

1589
01:24:24.880 --> 01:24:29.199
<v Speaker 3>it to the racetrack at Daytona. You had all these

1590
01:24:29.319 --> 01:24:34.920
<v Speaker 3>different brands. Well now GM has gotten rid of everything

1591
01:24:35.000 --> 01:24:38.279
<v Speaker 3>except the Chevy. Ford doesn't run. You can't find a

1592
01:24:38.359 --> 01:24:41.159
<v Speaker 3>Mercury now. In fact, they did some tests a few

1593
01:24:41.239 --> 01:24:43.760
<v Speaker 3>years ago when the tourists came out and they were

1594
01:24:43.760 --> 01:24:45.560
<v Speaker 3>going to use the Ford Taurus, and they took the

1595
01:24:45.600 --> 01:24:49.079
<v Speaker 3>Mercury Cougar into the wind tunnel, which was basically a

1596
01:24:49.199 --> 01:24:53.000
<v Speaker 3>tourust frame and body, except a different front end and

1597
01:24:53.119 --> 01:24:56.000
<v Speaker 3>a different rear end, and they found out that the

1598
01:24:56.039 --> 01:25:00.520
<v Speaker 3>Mercury Cougar actually was better aerodynamically than the four Forests.

1599
01:25:01.039 --> 01:25:04.920
<v Speaker 4>Afford made a decision. We want Ford on that car.

1600
01:25:05.279 --> 01:25:09.039
<v Speaker 3>Not Mercury. We don't race Mercury's anymore. And you had

1601
01:25:09.079 --> 01:25:14.600
<v Speaker 3>Toyota come in. Okay, they're an American bill car. But

1602
01:25:14.960 --> 01:25:19.399
<v Speaker 3>the NASCAR organization has come up with these templates that

1603
01:25:19.520 --> 01:25:22.600
<v Speaker 3>these cars have to fit, and they have watered these

1604
01:25:22.720 --> 01:25:25.279
<v Speaker 3>things down to where now it doesn't matter whether you're

1605
01:25:25.279 --> 01:25:30.079
<v Speaker 3>in a Chevy Afford for a Toyota, a Camra compared

1606
01:25:30.119 --> 01:25:33.760
<v Speaker 3>to a Camaro compared to a Mustang on the street

1607
01:25:34.039 --> 01:25:37.680
<v Speaker 3>is one thing. On the dragstrip is one thing, But

1608
01:25:37.760 --> 01:25:40.720
<v Speaker 3>when it comes to NASCAR, you're basically driving the same

1609
01:25:40.840 --> 01:25:43.600
<v Speaker 3>car because of these templates that they have to fit

1610
01:25:43.720 --> 01:25:47.319
<v Speaker 3>these cars too. It's taking stock completely out of it.

1611
01:25:47.960 --> 01:25:49.439
<v Speaker 4>They're no longer Stocked.

1612
01:25:54.279 --> 01:25:59.640
<v Speaker 5>Made a name for itself in seventy one NASCAR, you know,

1613
01:25:59.760 --> 01:26:04.000
<v Speaker 5>they had rules about the sixth wing type cars. They

1614
01:26:04.840 --> 01:26:07.960
<v Speaker 5>basically wanted to get rid of those wings in the back.

1615
01:26:09.279 --> 01:26:14.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the Challenger, You had the Dodge Challenger in the

1616
01:26:14.880 --> 01:26:16.800
<v Speaker 3>road Runner. You know this number of the super b

1617
01:26:17.039 --> 01:26:19.800
<v Speaker 3>that had the big wing on the back. Used to

1618
01:26:20.279 --> 01:26:24.079
<v Speaker 3>to qualify for stock cars under NASCAR, you had to

1619
01:26:24.199 --> 01:26:28.159
<v Speaker 3>have so many cars in production for it to count.

1620
01:26:28.279 --> 01:26:30.680
<v Speaker 3>It had to be an actual car people could buy.

1621
01:26:31.560 --> 01:26:33.760
<v Speaker 3>Now you could take it to your garage and jack

1622
01:26:33.880 --> 01:26:36.840
<v Speaker 3>up the engine and do what you want. But that's

1623
01:26:36.920 --> 01:26:40.239
<v Speaker 3>how I remember. The old Petty had a Dodge charger

1624
01:26:40.279 --> 01:26:44.079
<v Speaker 3>that had a wing on the back of it. There

1625
01:26:44.279 --> 01:26:45.960
<v Speaker 3>are cars, you know, they need to hear them and

1626
01:26:46.039 --> 01:26:46.760
<v Speaker 3>to rid his stuff.

1627
01:26:48.600 --> 01:26:53.039
<v Speaker 5>The first Gay in nineteen seventy one, this guy won

1628
01:26:53.159 --> 01:26:57.199
<v Speaker 5>the race with the wing after they they weren't banned

1629
01:26:58.000 --> 01:27:00.640
<v Speaker 5>at this point that they said, okay, if you want

1630
01:27:00.680 --> 01:27:04.560
<v Speaker 5>to use a fit screen, you have to have a

1631
01:27:04.680 --> 01:27:09.079
<v Speaker 5>less powerful engine. So Rosselli did it and he still

1632
01:27:09.199 --> 01:27:13.680
<v Speaker 5>won the race, and then he was highly in demand

1633
01:27:13.800 --> 01:27:15.880
<v Speaker 5>as a mechanic and engineering.

1634
01:27:16.520 --> 01:27:16.680
<v Speaker 1>Right.

1635
01:27:18.159 --> 01:27:22.119
<v Speaker 5>But anyway, something happened in the early eighties. It was

1636
01:27:22.239 --> 01:27:30.840
<v Speaker 5>called Black Thursday, where seventy eighty NASCAR drivers were all

1637
01:27:31.039 --> 01:27:37.119
<v Speaker 5>busted for drugs monthly, and this Roselli was involved. Well,

1638
01:27:38.039 --> 01:27:41.159
<v Speaker 5>he was the only one of the only people not arrested,

1639
01:27:41.720 --> 01:27:47.760
<v Speaker 5>which might be why he disappeared. But this while I'm

1640
01:27:47.800 --> 01:27:49.760
<v Speaker 5>trying to find out if you know anything about me,

1641
01:27:50.000 --> 01:27:52.159
<v Speaker 5>did it happened in rural early eighties?

1642
01:27:52.760 --> 01:27:56.039
<v Speaker 1>Wasn't there a handful of guys that disappeared?

1643
01:27:56.880 --> 01:27:57.039
<v Speaker 9>You know?

1644
01:27:57.199 --> 01:28:00.880
<v Speaker 2>Between the seventies and the nineties from NASCAR are like,

1645
01:28:01.359 --> 01:28:04.720
<v Speaker 2>not just not just this Black Thursday or whatever it

1646
01:28:04.800 --> 01:28:06.319
<v Speaker 2>is you're talking about, but yeah.

1647
01:28:06.239 --> 01:28:11.600
<v Speaker 3>Jimmy's Jimmy's Jimmy's Jimmy's pulling saying Roselli. Right, you had

1648
01:28:11.640 --> 01:28:18.439
<v Speaker 3>Scooter on your show the other night. It's Maryel Rossi Rossi. Okay, Yeah,

1649
01:28:18.560 --> 01:28:21.520
<v Speaker 3>he disappeared after a three hundred million dollars drug bust

1650
01:28:22.680 --> 01:28:25.399
<v Speaker 3>cost NASCAR a genius whose work could have helped save

1651
01:28:25.720 --> 01:28:27.199
<v Speaker 3>Dale earn Hard Senior's life.

1652
01:28:27.439 --> 01:28:30.359
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that Rossi is the guy. Yeah, that's one of

1653
01:28:30.399 --> 01:28:32.960
<v Speaker 2>the guys. And then there was another guy who disappeared

1654
01:28:33.039 --> 01:28:35.720
<v Speaker 2>for a couple of years and then showed up dead

1655
01:28:35.920 --> 01:28:37.720
<v Speaker 2>inside of a car, like in the middle of a

1656
01:28:37.760 --> 01:28:41.199
<v Speaker 2>desert right in uh in the late eighties.

1657
01:28:41.720 --> 01:28:43.119
<v Speaker 1>Not this guy, but another one.

1658
01:28:44.279 --> 01:28:47.119
<v Speaker 2>Like isn't there a slew of like weird unsolved murders

1659
01:28:47.159 --> 01:28:49.079
<v Speaker 2>that went on there for like over a twenty year

1660
01:28:49.159 --> 01:28:51.720
<v Speaker 2>period with NASCAR people, which, by the way, I got

1661
01:28:51.760 --> 01:28:53.920
<v Speaker 2>an interesting question for you because I never knew this,

1662
01:28:54.880 --> 01:28:57.279
<v Speaker 2>but I got a couple of things sent to me,

1663
01:28:57.359 --> 01:28:59.680
<v Speaker 2>one about it, one article about a squirrel. Maybe I'll

1664
01:28:59.680 --> 01:29:04.399
<v Speaker 2>get to later. But also an article about NASCAR, and

1665
01:29:05.079 --> 01:29:08.199
<v Speaker 2>I was a little shocked to find out when NASCAR

1666
01:29:08.479 --> 01:29:12.520
<v Speaker 2>was actually founded and some of the things that were

1667
01:29:12.560 --> 01:29:14.800
<v Speaker 2>going on when it was founded. So I want to

1668
01:29:14.800 --> 01:29:18.199
<v Speaker 2>ask you guys both some questions here. Jimmy James, do

1669
01:29:18.199 --> 01:29:21.439
<v Speaker 2>you know what year NASCAR was founded?

1670
01:29:23.880 --> 01:29:28.199
<v Speaker 5>Yes, roughly, because I've been a lot of study on this. Okay,

1671
01:29:28.720 --> 01:29:33.760
<v Speaker 5>it's like forty seven eight. Yes, started out as moonshiners.

1672
01:29:34.000 --> 01:29:36.840
<v Speaker 5>I know, they started out moonshiners, and many of the

1673
01:29:36.960 --> 01:29:42.399
<v Speaker 5>kios lived in the seventies, they switched to the Devils sleds.

1674
01:29:43.359 --> 01:29:47.159
<v Speaker 1>Well, here's the thing in nineteen forty eight.

1675
01:29:47.279 --> 01:29:50.439
<v Speaker 2>February twenty first, nineteen forty eight, it was founded, according

1676
01:29:50.520 --> 01:29:53.439
<v Speaker 2>to their official biography.

1677
01:29:54.119 --> 01:29:56.880
<v Speaker 1>But what's interesting here is is this part of it.

1678
01:29:56.920 --> 01:30:00.720
<v Speaker 2>Okay, NASCAR was founded by William Frantz Senior on February

1679
01:30:00.800 --> 01:30:03.399
<v Speaker 2>twenty first, nineteen forty eight, with the help of several

1680
01:30:03.600 --> 01:30:08.479
<v Speaker 2>other drivers of the time. The original plans for NASCAR

1681
01:30:09.199 --> 01:30:15.359
<v Speaker 2>included three district divisions distinct excuse me, distinct divisions, and

1682
01:30:15.640 --> 01:30:22.640
<v Speaker 2>the distinct divisions were modified roadster and strictly stock. Now,

1683
01:30:22.720 --> 01:30:25.000
<v Speaker 2>I remember when I was a kid, they were still

1684
01:30:25.119 --> 01:30:29.439
<v Speaker 2>calling a lot of this racing, stock car racing, and

1685
01:30:29.760 --> 01:30:32.159
<v Speaker 2>it sort of went away at a certain point and

1686
01:30:32.279 --> 01:30:36.439
<v Speaker 2>then everything was NASCAR. So I was always confused by this,

1687
01:30:37.920 --> 01:30:41.039
<v Speaker 2>and uh, well that's what a racar actually means.

1688
01:30:41.560 --> 01:30:44.920
<v Speaker 4>You know, NASCAR is the National Association for stock car

1689
01:30:45.079 --> 01:30:45.800
<v Speaker 4>auto racing.

1690
01:30:46.079 --> 01:30:51.600
<v Speaker 1>Okay, and the big thing was we had.

1691
01:30:53.479 --> 01:30:54.560
<v Speaker 3>But go ahead, Jimmy, I.

1692
01:30:54.560 --> 01:30:58.840
<v Speaker 5>Picked the distinction of these days would be MASCAR versus

1693
01:30:59.039 --> 01:30:59.840
<v Speaker 5>Formula One.

1694
01:31:02.319 --> 01:31:06.199
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, but Formula one is like those cars that

1695
01:31:06.319 --> 01:31:08.960
<v Speaker 2>are not shaped like cars, right, I mean they are

1696
01:31:09.119 --> 01:31:13.960
<v Speaker 2>those almost rocket shaped things. That's a whole other issue.

1697
01:31:14.039 --> 01:31:15.039
<v Speaker 1>That's yeah.

1698
01:31:16.520 --> 01:31:21.319
<v Speaker 5>Well nowadays, I mean that's why they still Carr Star

1699
01:31:21.760 --> 01:31:24.439
<v Speaker 5>Star Car because they're not like those things.

1700
01:31:25.039 --> 01:31:27.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because those things are, you know, weird, They're they're like,

1701
01:31:28.039 --> 01:31:30.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, the kind of race cars that they used

1702
01:31:30.199 --> 01:31:32.319
<v Speaker 2>to make beds out of them. They made beds that

1703
01:31:32.359 --> 01:31:36.720
<v Speaker 2>were shaped like those things at one point, right, That's

1704
01:31:36.720 --> 01:31:38.079
<v Speaker 2>what that's what you're talking about.

1705
01:31:38.359 --> 01:31:42.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the NASCAR has expanded. I mean they have their

1706
01:31:42.439 --> 01:31:48.520
<v Speaker 3>their top three divisions now are the Cup Series, Exfinity,

1707
01:31:49.039 --> 01:31:53.680
<v Speaker 3>which is the it's basically the same car, the same car,

1708
01:31:53.920 --> 01:31:58.560
<v Speaker 3>but it's lighter as a smaller engine, so that's the

1709
01:31:58.800 --> 01:32:03.880
<v Speaker 3>Exfinity Series, and then you've got the Truck Series where

1710
01:32:03.880 --> 01:32:07.520
<v Speaker 3>they're racing trucks, but you also have lower divisions that

1711
01:32:07.680 --> 01:32:10.840
<v Speaker 3>you see a lot at these smaller local tracks. It

1712
01:32:10.920 --> 01:32:13.680
<v Speaker 3>will be a NASCAR event, but it's in one of

1713
01:32:13.720 --> 01:32:16.760
<v Speaker 3>their lesser divisions. And these guys, I mean, I think

1714
01:32:16.800 --> 01:32:19.279
<v Speaker 3>they sponsor stuff all the way down to go kart racing,

1715
01:32:19.880 --> 01:32:21.960
<v Speaker 3>and that's where a lot of these guys get their

1716
01:32:22.039 --> 01:32:27.840
<v Speaker 3>start is racing go karts and then open wheelers, and

1717
01:32:28.039 --> 01:32:32.119
<v Speaker 3>then they move up these divisions. And Tony Stewart was

1718
01:32:32.119 --> 01:32:35.920
<v Speaker 3>a big dirt track racer for a long time before

1719
01:32:35.960 --> 01:32:39.760
<v Speaker 3>he ever made the jump up to Exfinity into well,

1720
01:32:39.840 --> 01:32:42.039
<v Speaker 3>the Cup series used to be. I'm so used to

1721
01:32:42.079 --> 01:32:46.800
<v Speaker 3>saying Winston Cup because they've held it the longest sponsorship.

1722
01:32:46.960 --> 01:32:50.520
<v Speaker 3>But you know, NASCAR does have a lot of divisions.

1723
01:32:50.640 --> 01:32:53.119
<v Speaker 3>I think I don't know how many they've got. They

1724
01:32:53.199 --> 01:32:57.079
<v Speaker 3>sponsor over fifteen hundred races at over one hundred different

1725
01:32:57.199 --> 01:33:01.039
<v Speaker 3>tracks in the continental US, and they're also in Canada, Mexico,

1726
01:33:01.119 --> 01:33:01.960
<v Speaker 3>Brazil and Europe.

1727
01:33:01.960 --> 01:33:03.079
<v Speaker 4>I mean, they've gotten that big.

1728
01:33:03.319 --> 01:33:07.279
<v Speaker 2>And sometimes they do partial sponsorships because I actually, uh,

1729
01:33:08.119 --> 01:33:11.479
<v Speaker 2>you know, brought a spot on a race car. They

1730
01:33:11.600 --> 01:33:14.399
<v Speaker 2>used to be at the dirt track in New Egypt

1731
01:33:14.640 --> 01:33:18.079
<v Speaker 2>in New Jersey, and you know, so we had the

1732
01:33:18.399 --> 01:33:19.960
<v Speaker 2>thing that you know, was like go to go to

1733
01:33:20.079 --> 01:33:22.760
<v Speaker 2>my local exon that that I was sponsoring this thing

1734
01:33:22.880 --> 01:33:25.760
<v Speaker 2>for and uh we we had a little little bit

1735
01:33:26.039 --> 01:33:28.520
<v Speaker 2>like a sticker on his car that said this right.

1736
01:33:29.279 --> 01:33:31.119
<v Speaker 2>Uh it was you know, part of his paint job.

1737
01:33:33.720 --> 01:33:34.119
<v Speaker 5>And uh.

1738
01:33:34.359 --> 01:33:37.760
<v Speaker 2>That was on a dirt track and it wasn't a

1739
01:33:37.960 --> 01:33:41.560
<v Speaker 2>NASCAR event per se, but it was somehow partially supported

1740
01:33:41.600 --> 01:33:44.920
<v Speaker 2>by NASCAR. And on that same track they also ran

1741
01:33:45.000 --> 01:33:48.600
<v Speaker 2>what they call midget cars. And these are these like

1742
01:33:49.199 --> 01:33:52.199
<v Speaker 2>little tiny cars that they run. I don't know how

1743
01:33:52.239 --> 01:33:55.279
<v Speaker 2>to describe it, but they're they're kind of fast, and

1744
01:33:55.720 --> 01:33:57.840
<v Speaker 2>they're they're oddly shaped a lot of them, but they're

1745
01:33:57.960 --> 01:34:03.000
<v Speaker 2>very small. They're much smaller than irregular car. And the

1746
01:34:04.319 --> 01:34:07.279
<v Speaker 2>one of these aren't the funny cars. Funny cars they

1747
01:34:07.359 --> 01:34:10.399
<v Speaker 2>had at tracks like an English town, uh in New

1748
01:34:10.479 --> 01:34:13.279
<v Speaker 2>Jersey and stuff like that, and those were like, uh,

1749
01:34:13.760 --> 01:34:15.239
<v Speaker 2>the drag racers.

1750
01:34:15.720 --> 01:34:18.680
<v Speaker 3>And that kind of stuffy cars is a division in

1751
01:34:18.800 --> 01:34:21.640
<v Speaker 3>drag racing now. Yeah, it comes under the top fuel

1752
01:34:21.720 --> 01:34:28.600
<v Speaker 3>and funny cars. Remember the old uh, Don Trudeam the

1753
01:34:28.720 --> 01:34:33.880
<v Speaker 3>Snake and the Mongoose, two drivers that that matched up

1754
01:34:33.920 --> 01:34:38.520
<v Speaker 3>with Mattel and were sponsored by Mattel Toy Company.

1755
01:34:39.520 --> 01:34:41.840
<v Speaker 4>And you can go out and purchase you know, these

1756
01:34:42.119 --> 01:34:45.680
<v Speaker 4>models and and and small die casts.

1757
01:34:47.560 --> 01:34:50.800
<v Speaker 3>Don Garlets, to me, he's the greatest top field drags

1758
01:34:51.199 --> 01:34:54.239
<v Speaker 3>drag racer of all time. You know, John Force is big,

1759
01:34:54.399 --> 01:34:56.800
<v Speaker 3>but to me, I always remember Don Garlics because he

1760
01:34:56.920 --> 01:34:59.920
<v Speaker 3>was the name when it came to rail uh drag

1761
01:35:00.960 --> 01:35:03.760
<v Speaker 3>in my day, right.

1762
01:35:03.840 --> 01:35:06.479
<v Speaker 2>Well, but I remember seeing this stuff at what was

1763
01:35:06.520 --> 01:35:09.560
<v Speaker 2>at English Town, and there was another track and these

1764
01:35:09.600 --> 01:35:12.920
<v Speaker 2>were they would put the rocket propelled cars on and

1765
01:35:13.239 --> 01:35:15.920
<v Speaker 2>uh like that one car that walked like a dinosaur

1766
01:35:16.600 --> 01:35:18.920
<v Speaker 2>and the monster trucks would come out and crush a.

1767
01:35:18.960 --> 01:35:21.760
<v Speaker 1>Bunch of things. Uh you know, and they mixed all

1768
01:35:21.800 --> 01:35:22.279
<v Speaker 1>that together.

1769
01:35:24.319 --> 01:35:26.760
<v Speaker 2>But the funny cars and the drag racers and the

1770
01:35:26.880 --> 01:35:28.880
<v Speaker 2>fire spinning cars and all that stuff.

1771
01:35:30.199 --> 01:35:35.239
<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, that was totally different, you know, but but

1772
01:35:35.520 --> 01:35:36.079
<v Speaker 1>it was wild.

1773
01:35:36.399 --> 01:35:38.279
<v Speaker 2>I was just looking at this though, going, you know,

1774
01:35:38.920 --> 01:35:41.199
<v Speaker 2>how is it that they went from that thing where

1775
01:35:41.239 --> 01:35:43.159
<v Speaker 2>they got these three divisions to what it is we

1776
01:35:43.239 --> 01:35:46.199
<v Speaker 2>see today and what actually happened to stock cars.

1777
01:35:47.399 --> 01:35:53.560
<v Speaker 3>But like BP says, you get more, you see more

1778
01:35:53.600 --> 01:35:56.319
<v Speaker 3>stock cars in the lower divisions where a guy goes

1779
01:35:56.359 --> 01:35:59.840
<v Speaker 3>out and gets an old mailbox beater goes to work

1780
01:35:59.880 --> 01:36:03.079
<v Speaker 3>on it. What you're dealing with now is basically what

1781
01:36:03.319 --> 01:36:05.840
<v Speaker 3>engine is in it. That's what kind of car you're running.

1782
01:36:05.840 --> 01:36:08.319
<v Speaker 3>You're running a Chevy, you're running a Ford, or you're

1783
01:36:08.359 --> 01:36:12.800
<v Speaker 3>running this. It's a framework that's put together and then

1784
01:36:12.840 --> 01:36:14.680
<v Speaker 3>a bunch of sheet metal has been around it to

1785
01:36:14.720 --> 01:36:18.319
<v Speaker 3>make it kind of look like a car. It's not

1786
01:36:18.479 --> 01:36:21.079
<v Speaker 3>what it used to be. It has grown so big though,

1787
01:36:21.199 --> 01:36:26.800
<v Speaker 3>that it covers, Like I said, everything from go cart racing,

1788
01:36:27.560 --> 01:36:32.960
<v Speaker 3>Bruce Sprints modified up to you get into the actual

1789
01:36:33.039 --> 01:36:39.119
<v Speaker 3>stock cars, your Cup series and your Exfinity series. It

1790
01:36:39.239 --> 01:36:42.000
<v Speaker 3>used to be used to be Winston Cup and the

1791
01:36:42.119 --> 01:36:47.159
<v Speaker 3>Bush Cup when bush Beard sponsored things. But you know

1792
01:36:47.239 --> 01:36:48.039
<v Speaker 3>the government had.

1793
01:36:47.960 --> 01:36:50.119
<v Speaker 4>To stick their trum in it.

1794
01:36:50.239 --> 01:36:53.880
<v Speaker 3>You can't can't have Joe Cammell's sponsoring a car because

1795
01:36:53.920 --> 01:36:54.920
<v Speaker 3>a kid might see.

1796
01:36:54.760 --> 01:36:58.760
<v Speaker 4>It and start smoking. Well, they got rid of that mentality.

1797
01:36:58.439 --> 01:37:02.640
<v Speaker 1>Like the cigarette ads had to him off because you

1798
01:37:02.720 --> 01:37:04.000
<v Speaker 1>know you could see him on TV.

1799
01:37:04.159 --> 01:37:06.039
<v Speaker 2>And they also took it off and like say say

1800
01:37:06.119 --> 01:37:10.159
<v Speaker 2>Stadium had giant Marlborough signs, you know, baseball, and then

1801
01:37:10.199 --> 01:37:13.239
<v Speaker 2>they said, you know, you're not allowed to broadcast cigarette ads,

1802
01:37:13.560 --> 01:37:15.319
<v Speaker 2>but every time you turn on a Mets game, you

1803
01:37:15.439 --> 01:37:18.159
<v Speaker 2>got Marlborough Giant Marlborough banners.

1804
01:37:18.199 --> 01:37:21.039
<v Speaker 1>If somebody hits a deep fly ball or on your screen,

1805
01:37:21.159 --> 01:37:22.119
<v Speaker 1>aren't that you know?

1806
01:37:22.920 --> 01:37:25.600
<v Speaker 3>So if you hit the Marlboro man, you know, we

1807
01:37:25.800 --> 01:37:29.439
<v Speaker 3>donate one hundred dollars to children's cancer research.

1808
01:37:29.880 --> 01:37:31.680
<v Speaker 4>You know, that kind of stuff going on in all

1809
01:37:31.720 --> 01:37:32.520
<v Speaker 4>these dog barks.

1810
01:37:32.640 --> 01:37:34.239
<v Speaker 3>Well, it was funny because that's to a point that

1811
01:37:34.359 --> 01:37:39.680
<v Speaker 3>started this. You know, he asked me my favorite Taytotal race,

1812
01:37:39.800 --> 01:37:42.880
<v Speaker 3>and I said it's my most memorable one. But this

1813
01:37:43.039 --> 01:37:46.880
<v Speaker 3>guy that he's talking about, ROSSI is one of those

1814
01:37:47.039 --> 01:37:50.640
<v Speaker 3>innovators that came up with things that possibly could have

1815
01:37:50.760 --> 01:37:55.800
<v Speaker 3>saved Dale Earnhard Senior's life. And that's because he was

1816
01:37:56.000 --> 01:37:59.520
<v Speaker 3>the one who came with the modifications to the seat belts,

1817
01:37:59.720 --> 01:38:05.880
<v Speaker 3>was designing headdress, he was safety oriented in a lot

1818
01:38:05.960 --> 01:38:08.720
<v Speaker 3>of this technology that he came up with. And apparently,

1819
01:38:08.960 --> 01:38:11.359
<v Speaker 3>you know, the guy said he was a genius in

1820
01:38:11.479 --> 01:38:17.199
<v Speaker 3>the way he went about looking looking at at racing

1821
01:38:17.319 --> 01:38:20.960
<v Speaker 3>from the guy sitting in the seat, the problem was

1822
01:38:21.279 --> 01:38:26.760
<v Speaker 3>Earnhardt never embraced any of the Hams devices, of the

1823
01:38:26.840 --> 01:38:31.159
<v Speaker 3>Hans device that they use now which cuts down on whiplash,

1824
01:38:31.279 --> 01:38:34.600
<v Speaker 3>and that's what killed Dale Earnhardt. It's killed a lot

1825
01:38:34.680 --> 01:38:38.000
<v Speaker 3>of drivers over the years, we just didn't read about it.

1826
01:38:38.520 --> 01:38:42.560
<v Speaker 3>Earnhardt was the big name that it affected. And what

1827
01:38:42.760 --> 01:38:46.159
<v Speaker 3>was so memorable about that his son is leading the race.

1828
01:38:47.279 --> 01:38:52.760
<v Speaker 3>Another team member, Daryl Waltrip or Michael Waltrip, is behind him.

1829
01:38:53.439 --> 01:38:57.680
<v Speaker 3>They're running for the same owner. They're one and two.

1830
01:38:58.039 --> 01:39:00.640
<v Speaker 3>They're going to take the top two spots in this race.

1831
01:39:01.479 --> 01:39:04.319
<v Speaker 3>Dale Earnhardt is behind him, and the whole pack is

1832
01:39:04.399 --> 01:39:07.920
<v Speaker 3>behind Dale Earnhart. And we're on the final lap and

1833
01:39:08.079 --> 01:39:13.000
<v Speaker 3>Dale Earnhardt is doing what he can. Earnhardt has never

1834
01:39:13.119 --> 01:39:16.640
<v Speaker 3>thrown a race except this one. He could have been

1835
01:39:16.720 --> 01:39:20.359
<v Speaker 3>competitive that day. He sees his son about to win

1836
01:39:20.720 --> 01:39:24.279
<v Speaker 3>the greatest race in all of NASCAR. He does what

1837
01:39:24.399 --> 01:39:27.399
<v Speaker 3>he can to keep the field off their butts, and

1838
01:39:27.600 --> 01:39:32.039
<v Speaker 3>that's what cost him. He was holding up traffic. Somebody

1839
01:39:32.119 --> 01:39:34.720
<v Speaker 3>pulled up behind him. He had cars to the side

1840
01:39:34.800 --> 01:39:37.840
<v Speaker 3>of him, but it took the air off his rear

1841
01:39:37.960 --> 01:39:41.520
<v Speaker 3>spoiler and when he did, his back end got loose.

1842
01:39:42.560 --> 01:39:45.359
<v Speaker 3>And on these super speedway tracks, when your rear end

1843
01:39:45.439 --> 01:39:50.039
<v Speaker 3>gets loose just from the torque, immediately you start turning

1844
01:39:50.119 --> 01:39:54.640
<v Speaker 3>towards the wall. And that's what happened. Well, if I'm

1845
01:39:54.720 --> 01:40:00.439
<v Speaker 3>not mistaken, it was it was Kenny Wallace, No, not

1846
01:40:00.640 --> 01:40:04.399
<v Speaker 3>Kenny Wallace, Rusty Wallace, I think that's who it was,

1847
01:40:05.760 --> 01:40:08.439
<v Speaker 3>pulled up behind him, took the air off of him.

1848
01:40:08.520 --> 01:40:10.840
<v Speaker 4>He turned and went right into the wall.

1849
01:40:11.880 --> 01:40:15.319
<v Speaker 3>And it happened on the last lap. So you have

1850
01:40:15.479 --> 01:40:19.159
<v Speaker 3>them celebrating the Winter Circle. Dale Ear and R Juniors

1851
01:40:19.439 --> 01:40:21.960
<v Speaker 3>has just run one of the biggest race in racing

1852
01:40:22.960 --> 01:40:26.479
<v Speaker 3>and he didn't know, but his dad is already dead

1853
01:40:27.239 --> 01:40:30.159
<v Speaker 3>on the infield center when they got him out of

1854
01:40:30.199 --> 01:40:32.800
<v Speaker 3>the car. And that's why I remember it just being

1855
01:40:32.840 --> 01:40:36.359
<v Speaker 3>the most memorable because he had a father son racing

1856
01:40:36.439 --> 01:40:38.960
<v Speaker 3>and as a ben the son wins and the father

1857
01:40:39.159 --> 01:40:41.800
<v Speaker 3>ends up dying on the last lap to help provide

1858
01:40:41.840 --> 01:40:42.720
<v Speaker 3>the win for his son.

1859
01:40:42.920 --> 01:40:46.119
<v Speaker 2>Well look your voice, say, yeah, your voice is starting

1860
01:40:46.159 --> 01:40:49.720
<v Speaker 2>to break up. And you answered Jimmy James question, let's

1861
01:40:49.800 --> 01:40:51.880
<v Speaker 2>let you take a break. Let's let me take a break.

1862
01:40:51.920 --> 01:40:53.760
<v Speaker 2>It looks like Aaron Franz is not going to join

1863
01:40:53.840 --> 01:40:56.199
<v Speaker 2>us at ten PM. So you know, we're only ten

1864
01:40:56.279 --> 01:40:58.600
<v Speaker 2>minutes away from when the show should end, but instead

1865
01:40:59.159 --> 01:41:02.560
<v Speaker 2>we'll take a break, come back on the other side, uh.

1866
01:41:02.640 --> 01:41:03.920
<v Speaker 1>And see what else we can get to.

1867
01:41:04.000 --> 01:41:06.399
<v Speaker 2>I put Jimmy James on hold, but you out there

1868
01:41:06.479 --> 01:41:09.399
<v Speaker 2>listening to us can join us for the next little while.

1869
01:41:09.520 --> 01:41:11.760
<v Speaker 2>If we keep getting calls, I'll keep us on the air,

1870
01:41:12.279 --> 01:41:14.920
<v Speaker 2>but otherwise maybe we'll close it out after we get

1871
01:41:14.960 --> 01:41:17.399
<v Speaker 2>to a couple of things on the other side of

1872
01:41:17.479 --> 01:41:22.600
<v Speaker 2>this break, So stick around. The Ocelli effect continues after this.

1873
01:41:22.840 --> 01:41:26.199
<v Speaker 2>Three one nine, five, two seven, five zero one six

1874
01:41:26.640 --> 01:41:27.279
<v Speaker 2>is the number to.

1875
01:41:29.079 --> 01:41:29.439
<v Speaker 1>Sunday.

1876
01:41:29.560 --> 01:41:32.079
<v Speaker 3>I'm hoping us thirty drags, drift Wat's the best were

1877
01:41:32.239 --> 01:41:34.840
<v Speaker 3>engine Field drivestris in Look Country trying to push their

1878
01:41:35.159 --> 01:41:45.560
<v Speaker 3>machines into the magic five second life time barrier. Yo.

1879
01:41:45.680 --> 01:41:45.800
<v Speaker 2>Yo.

1880
01:41:45.920 --> 01:41:49.039
<v Speaker 10>This Doug Campbell, host of the Dallas Action podcast presented

1881
01:41:49.079 --> 01:41:52.000
<v Speaker 10>by Wall Street Window, and you are listening to the

1882
01:41:52.079 --> 01:41:56.239
<v Speaker 10>Ochele effect revelation through conversation.

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01:42:01.199 --> 01:42:06.920
<v Speaker 1>Let her know, No, you got to let them know.

1884
01:42:08.720 --> 01:42:10.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm bringing all shark looking.

1885
01:42:10.560 --> 01:42:13.640
<v Speaker 1>Car rocks and from Burled at the drug show.

1886
01:42:15.119 --> 01:42:18.960
<v Speaker 11>I'm bringing all shadow I can care rots and burlid

1887
01:42:19.079 --> 01:42:23.000
<v Speaker 11>at the drug shows. The more we just met that

1888
01:42:23.199 --> 01:42:27.279
<v Speaker 11>the world's worst professional pocka tour tick them like it's

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<v Speaker 11>two thousands something and Bucker's back on tour. You never

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<v Speaker 11>really wanted me anyway. Alcohol turns me into your enemies.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm go some many sad with some hannasy. I used

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<v Speaker 11>to think that bottle was the remedy.

1893
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<v Speaker 1>Picked it up once or twice after I let it go,

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<v Speaker 1>but finally had to let it be.

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<v Speaker 11>I used to roll over the five bed she would

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<v Speaker 11>give me and left timper some literacy, I mean literally,

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<v Speaker 11>I figure I mean the letter.

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<v Speaker 1>In all long chances we DeFi states then.

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<v Speaker 12>Learn let Golly dot com radium network.

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<v Speaker 1>Co use expressed by cooler schools. There anyone else who

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<v Speaker 1>happens to get on the air. Who's golly dot com?

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<v Speaker 2>If you not necessarily reflect the views of Lly dot

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<v Speaker 2>Com or ull and we are not responsible for any

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<v Speaker 2>stupidity which might ensue.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 8>The War State by Michael Swanson explains the great national

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<v Speaker 8>transformation that took place and put the Kennedy presidency in

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<v Speaker 8>the context of the Times and reveals never before published

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<v Speaker 8>information about the Cuban missile crisis. President Kennedy would not

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<v Speaker 8>have been assassinated if he had been president two hundred

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<v Speaker 8>years ago. His assassination took place in the context of

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<v Speaker 8>the Cold War and the rise of the national security state.

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<v Speaker 8>Before World War II, the United States was a continental republic.

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<v Speaker 8>In the decade that followed, it became an imperial superpower.

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<v Speaker 8>Generals such as Curtis LeMay not only wanted to invade Cuba,

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<v Speaker 8>but knew that there were short range missiles on the

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<v Speaker 8>island arn't with nuclear warheads that they could not destroy

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<v Speaker 8>because they were on mobile launchers. Their invasion could have

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<v Speaker 8>led to a Third World War, and they wanted to

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<v Speaker 8>go to war anyway. The War State by Michael Swanson

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<v Speaker 8>reveals why, and we'll show you what President Kennedy was

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<v Speaker 8>up against.

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<v Speaker 1>For more information The Warstate dot com.

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<v Speaker 13>Uncle, do you remember that time when Benjamin Fulford said

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<v Speaker 13>that an Asian secret society was going to dispatch ninja's

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<v Speaker 13>to take down the Illuminati?

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<v Speaker 1>Ooh, that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah in Theklatoon.

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah did that ever work out too good?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 13>It didn't, did it? But here on o'chelly dot com

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<v Speaker 13>radio network, things work out a bit better, don't.

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<v Speaker 1>They much better? Much?

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<v Speaker 14>Me is clear and understanding about the programs, the programs,

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<v Speaker 14>how much clear getting live people into it. They really

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<v Speaker 14>have a good conversation going much better, such better scene.

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<v Speaker 13>I say, forget Benjamin Fulford and his ninjas and listen

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<v Speaker 13>to the ochelly dot com Radio Network.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, it's straight to the point, straight talk, and

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<v Speaker 1>I like that idea.

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<v Speaker 15>O'chelly dot com, Ochilli dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you like history?

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<v Speaker 15>Real history that you were never taught in schools? Why

1944
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<v Speaker 15>the Vietnam War Nuclear Bombs in nation Building in Southeast

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<v Speaker 15>Asia by author Mike Swanson, with new documentation never seen

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<v Speaker 15>before that will open your eyes to events.

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<v Speaker 1>That led up to this.

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<v Speaker 15>Why the Vietnam War Nuclear Bombs in nation Building in

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<v Speaker 15>Southeast Asia nineteen forty five through nineteen sixty one. Get

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<v Speaker 15>War by author Mike.

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<v Speaker 12>Swanson, The Shelley dot Com Radio Network.

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<v Speaker 15>O chilly dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Get ready, Get ready for the.

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<v Speaker 2>Segment number two and the final segment of the Friday

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<v Speaker 2>night open mic here on Olly dot Compete with me

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<v Speaker 2>my co host. So far a bunch of Nascar talk.

1958
01:47:03.479 --> 01:47:05.680
<v Speaker 2>We were going to go into some other directions, hit

1959
01:47:05.800 --> 01:47:09.359
<v Speaker 2>some news headlines and take callers, but we've only gotten

1960
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<v Speaker 2>one call so far, so we're gonna wind up going

1961
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<v Speaker 2>back to him. Jimmy James is hanging on the line still.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll bring him back on, but we can have you

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<v Speaker 2>joined because as we pass over the ten o'clock hour,

1964
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<v Speaker 2>Aaron Franz is not gonna make it tonight, so we'll

1965
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<v Speaker 2>just continue to be live for as long as we

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<v Speaker 2>get calls.

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<v Speaker 1>How about that.

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<v Speaker 2>If we don't get any more calls, well, this last

1969
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<v Speaker 2>segment will end pretty soon. We'll let Jimmy James get

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<v Speaker 2>another word in as wise, and let me Pete talk

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<v Speaker 2>for a minute if he wants, and get gone. Because

1972
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<v Speaker 2>that's that for a Friday night on o'chelly dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>How about that? You can join us three to one

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<v Speaker 2>nine five two seven five zero one six three one

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<v Speaker 2>nine five two seven five zero one six. By the way, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>internet outages along with let's see cancelations from Guess have

1977
01:48:01.359 --> 01:48:03.199
<v Speaker 2>slowed down some of my shows recently.

1978
01:48:03.520 --> 01:48:07.680
<v Speaker 1>Now I got out what two podcasts this week? Yikes?

1979
01:48:07.920 --> 01:48:10.520
<v Speaker 2>Not a lot, but you know, doing the best I

1980
01:48:10.600 --> 01:48:14.600
<v Speaker 2>can also released the video version of the Groden interview.

1981
01:48:14.920 --> 01:48:18.000
<v Speaker 2>It's up on the end advertised YouTube channel, which I

1982
01:48:18.079 --> 01:48:21.239
<v Speaker 2>think might have broken a hundred subscribers recently, but I'm

1983
01:48:21.319 --> 01:48:23.720
<v Speaker 2>not really keeping track of it, advertising it or anything.

1984
01:48:24.399 --> 01:48:27.000
<v Speaker 2>But the Ocelli effect is also upon Rumble and a

1985
01:48:27.039 --> 01:48:31.000
<v Speaker 2>few other video platforms, so there people actually catch it.

1986
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<v Speaker 2>But Robert Goroden was on and we talked about the

1987
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<v Speaker 2>Zuppruter film and he wouldn't mind doing a return trip.

1988
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure if he wants to come on after

1989
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<v Speaker 2>the conference or before, but either way, we're gonna hear

1990
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<v Speaker 2>from Larry Hancock again before I go to Dallas, and

1991
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<v Speaker 2>with any luck, we'll also hear from well, oh wait,

1992
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<v Speaker 2>Mike Swanson said he wants to come back and do

1993
01:48:53.119 --> 01:48:56.399
<v Speaker 2>a recap on the conference. As he is the first

1994
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<v Speaker 2>presenter in Dallas, he'll be the first one to come out,

1995
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<v Speaker 2>so he's opening the conference. Uh, and I will be

1996
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<v Speaker 2>the in person MC there. Tickets are still available at

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<v Speaker 2>Assassinationconference dot com and you can get a discount ten

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<v Speaker 2>percent off for using Ocelly ten as your discount code.

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<v Speaker 2>O Shelly ten no spaces is your discount code on

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<v Speaker 2>Assassination Conference dot com for all tickets, whether in person

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<v Speaker 2>or virtual.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes me, Pete, you got a question?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I haven't talked to Gail Nicks in a while.

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<v Speaker 3>Is she presenting that this one?

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<v Speaker 6>Anything?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>Good?

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<v Speaker 1>We got Gail in there.

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<v Speaker 2>I also last minute got them to add the guy

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<v Speaker 2>from the Jacob Hornberger Freedom Freedom Foundation.

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<v Speaker 1>Damn, I always forget it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's triple fuh for Freedom Foundation. Jacob Hornberger, who has

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<v Speaker 2>written what three books on the Zuppruter film slash the

2014
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<v Speaker 2>Kennedy Assassination.

2015
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<v Speaker 1>I don't necessarily agree.

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<v Speaker 2>With Jacob's views, but I've had him on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Groden is going to be presenting. I just had

2018
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<v Speaker 2>him on the show for the first time. Larry Hancock

2019
01:50:12.279 --> 01:50:15.359
<v Speaker 2>will be presenting virtually, David Boylin will be there in person.

2020
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<v Speaker 2>Doug Campbell, I believe, is going to be there. Scooter

2021
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<v Speaker 2>Joe is showing up. You know Joey Scooter, right.

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<v Speaker 4>I just call him Scooter.

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<v Speaker 1>Scooter Scooter is going to be scooting in.

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<v Speaker 2>You know a bunch of people who you know, and

2025
01:50:30.520 --> 01:50:33.840
<v Speaker 2>some people I never heard of, including a couple of young'uns.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, that twenty five year old guy had on recently.

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<v Speaker 2>Alex Harris is returning. Last year the youngest presenter I

2028
01:50:40.760 --> 01:50:42.960
<v Speaker 2>think ever at a conference at the age of fourteen,

2029
01:50:43.800 --> 01:50:46.720
<v Speaker 2>but back again at the age of fifteen in Dallas

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<v Speaker 2>doing more photographic discussions.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was.

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<v Speaker 3>Able to go while I was home with the flu.

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<v Speaker 3>This week, I was able to hit two and started

2034
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<v Speaker 3>watching a bunch of old documentaries had been put out there,

2035
01:51:01.079 --> 01:51:05.319
<v Speaker 3>and I was able to watch again all of uh

2036
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<v Speaker 3>when Dank Bar stuff and jud File collection and and

2037
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<v Speaker 3>even some of Judy Berudi's old stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait a minute, James Files held on a second, James

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<v Speaker 2>Files stuff is available on TB.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh wow, I did not. It wasn't that did

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<v Speaker 3>the interview with him when he was in jail before

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<v Speaker 3>he got out. Yeah, I've watched that just the other day.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there's two versions of that interview.

2044
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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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01:51:35.039 --> 01:51:39.159
<v Speaker 2>One of them was recorded before WHIM had control of

2046
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<v Speaker 2>the James Files property, and that was the big deal one,

2047
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<v Speaker 2>the earlier one, and then there's another one they redid it,

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<v Speaker 2>uh later on after when I watched.

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<v Speaker 4>Both watched the one that Joe West did originally and then.

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<v Speaker 3>Was put you know when it was part of he

2051
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<v Speaker 3>was actually a part of boat processes, you know, because

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01:52:02.199 --> 01:52:05.760
<v Speaker 3>he took over Joe West South eventually.

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<v Speaker 1>Well he took it over from Bob Uh, the guy

2054
01:52:09.600 --> 01:52:13.159
<v Speaker 1>was a music promoter, Bob Damn.

2055
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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember the guy's name. But now he's like

2056
01:52:15.680 --> 01:52:17.880
<v Speaker 2>disavowed his connection to it. Like he's like now I

2057
01:52:18.079 --> 01:52:21.520
<v Speaker 2>realized it was no good, but only after he sold

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<v Speaker 2>all of the all of the rights to.

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<v Speaker 1>It to win.

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<v Speaker 3>We didn't have control, but he was money and then

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<v Speaker 3>I don't believe it right, he got his money and

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<v Speaker 3>then said, somebody we haven't seen anything from in years

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01:52:33.640 --> 01:52:37.600
<v Speaker 3>is whim deny bar. You know, he's kind of true

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<v Speaker 3>led the scene here on a few things, even.

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<v Speaker 2>With James Files coming back around and last year when

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<v Speaker 2>we were in Dallas where there was all kinds of

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<v Speaker 2>rumors that he was supposed to be on the Knowll

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<v Speaker 2>and I heard that maybe he had done a tour

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<v Speaker 2>on the Knowll with you know, a selected group of

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<v Speaker 2>people that went to go see James Files in Dallas

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<v Speaker 2>to go hang out with him. He gave him a

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<v Speaker 2>tour of the Knowell. This is where I was standing,

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01:53:00.239 --> 01:53:02.800
<v Speaker 2>and this is what happened. You know, did you hear

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<v Speaker 2>about that?

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<v Speaker 7>Well?

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<v Speaker 3>I would have liked to have been in on that

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<v Speaker 3>because I got some questions about where he was standing

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<v Speaker 3>in what was going on if what he said actually

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<v Speaker 3>took place.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I do too, but I don't think he'd like

2081
01:53:14.760 --> 01:53:17.199
<v Speaker 2>my questions because you exactly.

2082
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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, I still.

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01:53:19.279 --> 01:53:23.239
<v Speaker 3>Have yet to have anybody debunk the fact that the

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01:53:23.359 --> 01:53:26.000
<v Speaker 3>research that I mean, even the FBI went and checked

2085
01:53:26.039 --> 01:53:28.000
<v Speaker 3>and said by phone records the whole time he was

2086
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<v Speaker 3>in Chicago. And that's where I learned the story that

2087
01:53:31.279 --> 01:53:35.520
<v Speaker 3>he supposedly had a twin brother. You know, files starts

2088
01:53:35.560 --> 01:53:38.079
<v Speaker 3>out in this interview saying, yep, and if you go

2089
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<v Speaker 3>and get a copy of a birth certificate, it will

2090
01:53:41.000 --> 01:53:44.479
<v Speaker 3>say deceased because I supposedly died at birth.

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<v Speaker 4>Blah blah blah. And when it came up for his story,

2092
01:53:47.880 --> 01:53:49.800
<v Speaker 4>when his story came out that he was.

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<v Speaker 3>There and all these people were involved, and he was

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<v Speaker 3>doing this and doing that, you know, he claimed to

2095
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<v Speaker 3>spend a lot of time with Oswald that Oswald was

2096
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<v Speaker 3>accounted for and supposedly riding around and learning the.

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<v Speaker 4>Area and the railroad tracks and the dead ends.

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<v Speaker 3>And the blah blah blah. You know, it was kind

2099
01:54:08.079 --> 01:54:10.720
<v Speaker 3>of funny that, you know, he's spending all this time

2100
01:54:10.760 --> 01:54:13.840
<v Speaker 3>with Oswald when Oswalt was when people knew where he

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<v Speaker 3>was at.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, people had eyes on him here he was living there.

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<v Speaker 1>I loved it because there was a certain point got

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<v Speaker 1>me my favorite point. Wait a second, My.

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01:54:21.359 --> 01:54:23.479
<v Speaker 2>Favorite point is you know why he had, you know,

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01:54:23.600 --> 01:54:26.439
<v Speaker 2>gunshot residue on his hand because he was picking up

2107
01:54:26.520 --> 01:54:30.680
<v Speaker 2>my expended shells as we were out out testing the fireball, right,

2108
01:54:31.199 --> 01:54:34.079
<v Speaker 2>and Lee Harvey Oswald had he had gunshot residue on

2109
01:54:34.159 --> 01:54:37.119
<v Speaker 2>his hands for picking up my expended shells. I was

2110
01:54:37.199 --> 01:54:37.760
<v Speaker 2>cracking up.

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01:54:37.840 --> 01:54:40.159
<v Speaker 1>And then he shows you a picture and says, this

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01:54:40.359 --> 01:54:41.600
<v Speaker 1>is me in the hotel room.

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01:54:41.760 --> 01:54:44.119
<v Speaker 3>Traces on the palm of his hand, and it was

2114
01:54:44.199 --> 01:54:46.199
<v Speaker 3>because I told him to pick up those shells out

2115
01:54:46.239 --> 01:54:47.279
<v Speaker 3>there before we get out of here.

2116
01:54:47.439 --> 01:54:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

2117
01:54:47.720 --> 01:54:50.239
<v Speaker 2>And and also he shows you a picture of allegedly

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01:54:50.359 --> 01:54:52.079
<v Speaker 2>him in the hotel room at that time.

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01:54:52.159 --> 01:54:53.199
<v Speaker 1>You know who took his picture?

2120
01:54:53.560 --> 01:54:55.800
<v Speaker 2>In one of the interviews, he says, Lee Harvey Oswald

2121
01:54:56.199 --> 01:54:59.680
<v Speaker 2>took the picture, yeah, that you see of him as.

2122
01:54:59.560 --> 01:55:01.800
<v Speaker 1>A young man. And I'm like, this is hilarious.

2123
01:55:03.079 --> 01:55:07.119
<v Speaker 3>And supposedly the two guys standing there. Later later in

2124
01:55:07.239 --> 01:55:09.319
<v Speaker 3>the episode, he says that the guy that was standing

2125
01:55:09.399 --> 01:55:11.960
<v Speaker 3>beside him is the one that actually killed Tibby. Yeah,

2126
01:55:12.199 --> 01:55:13.640
<v Speaker 3>but he won't disclose his name.

2127
01:55:14.479 --> 01:55:17.600
<v Speaker 4>You're not going to do that, right, just killed me.

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01:55:17.760 --> 01:55:19.760
<v Speaker 3>But the claim came up that, you know, he was

2129
01:55:20.000 --> 01:55:23.119
<v Speaker 3>down here doing all this stuff and the FBI were

2130
01:55:23.239 --> 01:55:25.439
<v Speaker 3>checking phone records and things like that, and they put

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01:55:25.520 --> 01:55:28.119
<v Speaker 3>him in the hospital with his wife. And this is

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01:55:28.199 --> 01:55:31.119
<v Speaker 3>the first in since where I heard the story that supposedly,

2133
01:55:32.000 --> 01:55:36.760
<v Speaker 3>not only did he not die in childbirth, but apparently

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01:55:37.159 --> 01:55:41.520
<v Speaker 3>he had a twin brother that no one had ever

2135
01:55:41.640 --> 01:55:45.600
<v Speaker 3>heard of before. And it was his twin brother that

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01:55:45.880 --> 01:55:50.000
<v Speaker 3>was seen in Chicago with his wife while he was

2137
01:55:50.039 --> 01:55:53.000
<v Speaker 3>down in Dallas, right, And I think the twin brother,

2138
01:55:53.199 --> 01:55:53.760
<v Speaker 3>Nate said.

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01:55:54.159 --> 01:55:57.039
<v Speaker 2>I think the twin brother has since disappeared, though, b

2140
01:55:57.199 --> 01:55:59.399
<v Speaker 2>PTE Dsney because there's no birth.

2141
01:55:59.279 --> 01:56:01.760
<v Speaker 4>Record for got wiped out real quick.

2142
01:56:03.960 --> 01:56:04.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's hilarious.

2143
01:56:06.159 --> 01:56:08.119
<v Speaker 2>You know what I love best is, you know, they

2144
01:56:08.199 --> 01:56:11.399
<v Speaker 2>did an interview with Jim Mars and they they have

2145
01:56:11.640 --> 01:56:14.399
<v Speaker 2>a you know, a complete, you know, formal edit of

2146
01:56:14.520 --> 01:56:17.600
<v Speaker 2>this thing of him in you know, in prison talking

2147
01:56:17.640 --> 01:56:20.079
<v Speaker 2>about this and that and the terrible water they're drinking

2148
01:56:20.680 --> 01:56:23.800
<v Speaker 2>and all that stuff, right, and Jim.

2149
01:56:23.720 --> 01:56:27.439
<v Speaker 1>Mars is interviewing him. But afterwards there were outtakes, right,

2150
01:56:27.640 --> 01:56:31.000
<v Speaker 1>stuff that they didn't use in the interview. Have you

2151
01:56:31.039 --> 01:56:32.159
<v Speaker 1>ever watched that part of it?

2152
01:56:33.880 --> 01:56:35.439
<v Speaker 4>No, I don't think I've seen that one yet.

2153
01:56:35.760 --> 01:56:38.520
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, I don't know when still sells this, But

2154
01:56:38.640 --> 01:56:41.319
<v Speaker 2>for a while he had a DVD out there that

2155
01:56:41.640 --> 01:56:43.159
<v Speaker 2>was you know, it was in a nice box.

2156
01:56:43.239 --> 01:56:44.199
<v Speaker 1>It looked good and everything.

2157
01:56:44.319 --> 01:56:47.199
<v Speaker 2>But it's like Files on JFK I think is the

2158
01:56:47.279 --> 01:56:50.159
<v Speaker 2>name of the documentary where they play certain parts and

2159
01:56:50.560 --> 01:56:53.079
<v Speaker 2>Joe West believed him in the FPI. I believed him

2160
01:56:53.119 --> 01:56:56.159
<v Speaker 2>and everybody believed James Files because he was there.

2161
01:56:56.600 --> 01:56:58.199
<v Speaker 1>And then they show you in the interview, you know.

2162
01:57:00.199 --> 01:57:04.119
<v Speaker 2>Anyways, afterwards though, there's other stuff going on, and he

2163
01:57:04.199 --> 01:57:06.720
<v Speaker 2>starts talking to him about you know, did you know

2164
01:57:06.880 --> 01:57:07.399
<v Speaker 2>this person?

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01:57:07.560 --> 01:57:12.520
<v Speaker 1>Did you know that person? James Miles knew everybody? Did

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01:57:12.600 --> 01:57:12.840
<v Speaker 1>you know?

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01:57:13.199 --> 01:57:15.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's the female Judith.

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01:57:15.720 --> 01:57:18.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, but it's great because did you know Fletcher

2169
01:57:18.479 --> 01:57:21.720
<v Speaker 2>Proudy was my favorite one? Oh yeah, I knew Fletcher Proudy.

2170
01:57:21.720 --> 01:57:22.319
<v Speaker 1>He was a good man.

2171
01:57:23.640 --> 01:57:25.760
<v Speaker 2>And then Mars said where did you meet him? And

2172
01:57:25.800 --> 01:57:27.920
<v Speaker 2>he says, actually I met him in Vietnam.

2173
01:57:28.079 --> 01:57:28.960
<v Speaker 1>We were all over there.

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01:57:30.239 --> 01:57:34.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm cracking up. He says that he met Fletcher Proudy

2175
01:57:34.399 --> 01:57:41.399
<v Speaker 2>in Vietnam. Okay, and that they had done some operations

2176
01:57:41.439 --> 01:57:44.119
<v Speaker 2>together and he was a good man, a solid man.

2177
01:57:44.159 --> 01:57:45.039
<v Speaker 1>He knew him quite well.

2178
01:57:46.199 --> 01:57:48.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, everybody, it's see about. The whole deal was he

2179
01:57:48.840 --> 01:57:52.239
<v Speaker 3>was seventeen when he went into the military, and at

2180
01:57:52.279 --> 01:57:55.039
<v Speaker 3>that time, your basic training was not like you know,

2181
01:57:55.239 --> 01:57:57.359
<v Speaker 3>the three months of the nine weeks it is now.

2182
01:57:58.000 --> 01:57:59.640
<v Speaker 4>You know, it was a lot longer.

2183
01:58:00.159 --> 01:58:02.479
<v Speaker 3>And he joined the Marine Corps and their training was

2184
01:58:02.640 --> 01:58:04.199
<v Speaker 3>actually longer than the Armies.

2185
01:58:04.640 --> 01:58:07.159
<v Speaker 4>When he came to Basin and they.

2186
01:58:07.079 --> 01:58:10.760
<v Speaker 3>Were saying, Okay, how was this guy a member of

2187
01:58:10.880 --> 01:58:17.079
<v Speaker 3>the Green Berets at seventeen and over in Laos and

2188
01:58:17.319 --> 01:58:24.920
<v Speaker 3>Cambodia running special ops with the Green Berets. It's just impossible.

2189
01:58:25.039 --> 01:58:27.840
<v Speaker 3>There's no record of him being in the military ever.

2190
01:58:28.279 --> 01:58:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, you know, forget that doesn't matter. There's no

2191
01:58:32.000 --> 01:58:33.680
<v Speaker 1>record of that. He couldn't.

2192
01:58:33.760 --> 01:58:36.119
<v Speaker 2>The only thing that I heard him say that was

2193
01:58:36.279 --> 01:58:41.680
<v Speaker 2>accurate in his interview that like stunned me a little

2194
01:58:41.720 --> 01:58:45.319
<v Speaker 2>bit was that he's the first guy I ever saw

2195
01:58:45.760 --> 01:58:51.079
<v Speaker 2>that didn't state that it was, you know, the head

2196
01:58:51.119 --> 01:58:54.119
<v Speaker 2>of the Chicago outfit at the time. Everybody always defaults

2197
01:58:54.720 --> 01:58:56.439
<v Speaker 2>to get you know, you know who they always say

2198
01:58:56.680 --> 01:58:58.880
<v Speaker 2>is the guy who was in charge of like the

2199
01:58:58.960 --> 01:59:03.880
<v Speaker 2>godfather of chicag Right, yeah, Giaconna. Well it's Gianna gi

2200
01:59:03.920 --> 01:59:07.960
<v Speaker 2>and Conna and supposedly gian Kanna sent him, right. Well,

2201
01:59:08.600 --> 01:59:11.840
<v Speaker 2>what's funny about that is at a certain point he

2202
01:59:12.039 --> 01:59:14.399
<v Speaker 2>does point out that g and Kanna.

2203
01:59:14.920 --> 01:59:17.119
<v Speaker 1>Even though most people believe he.

2204
01:59:17.359 --> 01:59:19.800
<v Speaker 2>Was in charge of the majority of things on the

2205
01:59:19.840 --> 01:59:23.720
<v Speaker 2>ground in Chicago, at a certain point he wasn't. There

2206
01:59:23.880 --> 01:59:28.439
<v Speaker 2>was another guy there named Toniocardo, and yeah he was.

2207
01:59:28.800 --> 01:59:31.520
<v Speaker 3>He was the head of the family before Giancanna took over.

2208
01:59:31.680 --> 01:59:35.119
<v Speaker 3>And that's one thing that killed me when this happened

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01:59:35.159 --> 01:59:38.399
<v Speaker 3>back in fifty five. And then Files comes up and says, well,

2210
01:59:38.600 --> 01:59:41.119
<v Speaker 3>everybody thinks Gioconna was running everything, but it was still

2211
01:59:41.159 --> 01:59:44.920
<v Speaker 3>a Cardo. Well, well that's not how this works.

2212
01:59:45.319 --> 01:59:50.159
<v Speaker 1>But Acardo was running certain things during certain.

2213
01:59:49.960 --> 01:59:52.399
<v Speaker 2>Time periods that he's talking about when he's giving the

2214
01:59:52.520 --> 01:59:56.920
<v Speaker 2>history leading up to and g and Conna didn't have

2215
01:59:57.199 --> 02:00:01.199
<v Speaker 2>absolute control of Chicago at the time of the assassination.

2216
02:00:01.479 --> 02:00:06.359
<v Speaker 1>That's a misnomer. He wasn't in control of everybody there.

2217
02:00:06.760 --> 02:00:09.680
<v Speaker 1>That wasn't the way it was. There were still people

2218
02:00:09.840 --> 02:00:11.039
<v Speaker 1>that were loyal to.

2219
02:00:11.159 --> 02:00:16.000
<v Speaker 2>The Ecardo faction that were running their own program as

2220
02:00:16.039 --> 02:00:20.199
<v Speaker 2>a matter of fact, in opposition to g and Conna. Okay,

2221
02:00:20.760 --> 02:00:23.319
<v Speaker 2>and a lot of people, even these mob historians, get

2222
02:00:23.359 --> 02:00:27.039
<v Speaker 2>this wrong. It wasn't unified. Everybody in the mafia was

2223
02:00:27.119 --> 02:00:31.079
<v Speaker 2>under g and Conna in Chicago circumstance. It just wasn't

2224
02:00:31.119 --> 02:00:35.119
<v Speaker 2>that way at the time. And when you start to

2225
02:00:35.199 --> 02:00:38.800
<v Speaker 2>look at who's who and who Rosellie would have dealt with,

2226
02:00:38.880 --> 02:00:41.279
<v Speaker 2>because he claims he went with Roselli, you know, Rosellie's

2227
02:00:41.319 --> 02:00:45.000
<v Speaker 2>with him, right, everybody's with him. You know, Lee Harby

2228
02:00:45.039 --> 02:00:49.279
<v Speaker 2>Oswald comes knocking on his hotel room door in Mesquite, Texas.

2229
02:00:49.359 --> 02:00:53.000
<v Speaker 2>He says at the time, right, and Lee Harby Oswald

2230
02:00:53.039 --> 02:00:54.279
<v Speaker 2>could drive, et cetera.

2231
02:00:55.359 --> 02:00:59.359
<v Speaker 1>Right, this stuff killed me. You know, I was hanging

2232
02:00:59.359 --> 02:01:00.399
<v Speaker 1>out with Lear Osma.

2233
02:01:00.479 --> 02:01:01.439
<v Speaker 7>It's me is you know.

2234
02:01:01.880 --> 02:01:04.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the other stuff we don't pay a lot of

2235
02:01:04.680 --> 02:01:07.479
<v Speaker 3>attention to. But when he starts staying specifically I spent

2236
02:01:07.600 --> 02:01:10.159
<v Speaker 3>this much time with Lee Harvey Oswald, I'm going.

2237
02:01:10.640 --> 02:01:11.680
<v Speaker 1>No, you didn't. You see.

2238
02:01:11.720 --> 02:01:14.720
<v Speaker 2>But there's the problem. We know possible, right, we can

2239
02:01:14.800 --> 02:01:18.479
<v Speaker 2>account for Oswald really really well. In the seventy two

2240
02:01:18.600 --> 02:01:23.840
<v Speaker 2>hours leading up to the assassination. Let's be honest, And there's.

2241
02:01:23.760 --> 02:01:27.000
<v Speaker 1>No way that he has time to do half of

2242
02:01:27.159 --> 02:01:29.520
<v Speaker 1>what Files claims he did with him.

2243
02:01:30.079 --> 02:01:33.000
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't have the time or the wherewithal to do

2244
02:01:33.439 --> 02:01:36.920
<v Speaker 2>or to get to or to participate in half of

2245
02:01:37.000 --> 02:01:38.319
<v Speaker 2>what Files is talking about.

2246
02:01:39.680 --> 02:01:41.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what the day before they were out there, you know,

2247
02:01:41.960 --> 02:01:47.159
<v Speaker 3>getting all the weapons ready, and and you know Oswald

2248
02:01:47.279 --> 02:01:51.000
<v Speaker 3>was with him. Oswald was at work right a heart

2249
02:01:51.039 --> 02:01:52.680
<v Speaker 3>to be out in the middle of the desert near

2250
02:01:52.800 --> 02:01:57.279
<v Speaker 3>Mesquite and at work downtown Dallas at the same time.

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02:01:57.520 --> 02:02:00.600
<v Speaker 2>It is tough, I admit, but you know in certain

2252
02:02:00.680 --> 02:02:05.439
<v Speaker 2>people's worlds where Chuck Nicoletty was also known to be

2253
02:02:05.560 --> 02:02:07.880
<v Speaker 2>somewhere else at the time. But he claims he's the

2254
02:02:07.920 --> 02:02:11.720
<v Speaker 2>guy shooting from the down text building, right, Okay.

2255
02:02:12.000 --> 02:02:15.279
<v Speaker 3>Well, because no, no, no, See that's the funny thing

2256
02:02:15.359 --> 02:02:21.439
<v Speaker 3>about Files. Okay, he said, Nicolette, you know, he balked

2257
02:02:21.479 --> 02:02:23.880
<v Speaker 3>out because he got aborted, he got called off.

2258
02:02:24.239 --> 02:02:25.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh wait a.

2259
02:02:25.039 --> 02:02:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Minute, So Nicolette who took the shot because somebody else

2260
02:02:28.079 --> 02:02:30.760
<v Speaker 2>told him, you know, you shot too fast or some

2261
02:02:31.359 --> 02:02:34.680
<v Speaker 2>nonsense that he said, you did it, you know, you

2262
02:02:34.960 --> 02:02:35.960
<v Speaker 2>you acted too quickly.

2263
02:02:36.159 --> 02:02:36.840
<v Speaker 1>For some reason.

2264
02:02:37.319 --> 02:02:38.159
<v Speaker 4>It was Roselli.

2265
02:02:38.479 --> 02:02:42.159
<v Speaker 1>Roselli told him that okay, So who was who took

2266
02:02:42.199 --> 02:02:43.800
<v Speaker 1>the other shot? Then Roselli.

2267
02:02:46.119 --> 02:02:49.520
<v Speaker 3>He says he doesn't know, but one of them, one

2268
02:02:49.600 --> 02:02:52.159
<v Speaker 3>of them supposedly was fun and this was the story

2269
02:02:52.239 --> 02:02:55.039
<v Speaker 3>that came out. I still haven't figured out how they

2270
02:02:55.199 --> 02:02:57.600
<v Speaker 3>knew about these things just to put him out there

2271
02:02:57.640 --> 02:03:01.279
<v Speaker 3>in a narrative. But that's what Toss Plumbley comes in,

2272
02:03:02.119 --> 02:03:06.039
<v Speaker 3>because I've always had a question if the government was

2273
02:03:06.119 --> 02:03:09.520
<v Speaker 3>going to take out Kennedy, why would they send in

2274
02:03:09.760 --> 02:03:15.439
<v Speaker 3>an abort team three hours before the supposed assassination. Well,

2275
02:03:15.560 --> 02:03:18.159
<v Speaker 3>if you want to abort something, they knew who was

2276
02:03:18.279 --> 02:03:19.000
<v Speaker 3>involved in this.

2277
02:03:19.359 --> 02:03:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Somebody had to be on the opposite side of Somebody

2278
02:03:21.840 --> 02:03:23.720
<v Speaker 2>had to be on the opposite side of Elm Street

2279
02:03:23.760 --> 02:03:26.520
<v Speaker 2>to see him from the other angle where Tosh Plumley

2280
02:03:26.560 --> 02:03:29.520
<v Speaker 2>claims to be, even though photographically we can prove nobody

2281
02:03:29.640 --> 02:03:32.760
<v Speaker 2>was standing where he says he was and saw Kennedy's head.

2282
02:03:32.600 --> 02:03:33.199
<v Speaker 1>Go way back.

2283
02:03:33.359 --> 02:03:36.560
<v Speaker 3>But not only that, you've got an aboard team coming

2284
02:03:36.600 --> 02:03:41.119
<v Speaker 3>in that knows everybody that's on the assassination team. Yepwot

2285
02:03:41.199 --> 02:03:42.800
<v Speaker 3>that's where they were going to be. Why didn't they

2286
02:03:42.880 --> 02:03:45.960
<v Speaker 3>shoot the assassins? No would have aborted it right there.

2287
02:03:46.119 --> 02:03:48.960
<v Speaker 2>Really none of them got shot, right, none of them

2288
02:03:49.039 --> 02:03:51.439
<v Speaker 2>got shot or arrested, which would have been two ways

2289
02:03:51.520 --> 02:03:56.239
<v Speaker 2>to neutralize the assassination team. Right, get him into a

2290
02:03:56.359 --> 02:03:59.600
<v Speaker 2>jail cell and have somebody shank him in the jail cell. Oops,

2291
02:03:59.680 --> 02:04:03.520
<v Speaker 2>acts happened. Or just get him shot and killed on

2292
02:04:03.600 --> 02:04:06.199
<v Speaker 2>the streets somewhere. Oops, accidents happened.

2293
02:04:06.840 --> 02:04:07.800
<v Speaker 1>Or hire a.

2294
02:04:07.840 --> 02:04:10.800
<v Speaker 2>Cop to kill him in cold blood because he's carrying

2295
02:04:10.840 --> 02:04:13.880
<v Speaker 2>the weapon and sorry, but he pointed it at me.

2296
02:04:14.359 --> 02:04:16.600
<v Speaker 2>And oh, by the way, forensics would have been a

2297
02:04:16.680 --> 02:04:19.039
<v Speaker 2>whole lot more difficult to prove at that time. A

2298
02:04:19.159 --> 02:04:21.279
<v Speaker 2>Dallas cop saying this guy had guns on him and

2299
02:04:21.359 --> 02:04:24.840
<v Speaker 2>pointed it at me would probably be believed for the

2300
02:04:24.960 --> 02:04:27.800
<v Speaker 2>most part. So, you know, you could have taken one

2301
02:04:27.840 --> 02:04:30.199
<v Speaker 2>of the corrupt cops in Dallas, of which there were many,

2302
02:04:31.399 --> 02:04:33.560
<v Speaker 2>and you could have hired one of them to kill

2303
02:04:33.880 --> 02:04:36.520
<v Speaker 2>the Aboard team. So you could have dispatched all of

2304
02:04:36.560 --> 02:04:41.520
<v Speaker 2>those assets and neutralized the assassination team and made them,

2305
02:04:41.640 --> 02:04:43.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, adjuncts to the Aboard team.

2306
02:04:44.319 --> 02:04:46.319
<v Speaker 1>But you don't see any of that. But Tash Plumley

2307
02:04:46.359 --> 02:04:47.560
<v Speaker 1>says he saw it from the other side.

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02:04:47.560 --> 02:04:49.600
<v Speaker 3>He almost tek me about that whole narrative, you know,

2309
02:04:49.720 --> 02:04:52.680
<v Speaker 3>it was it was the CIA, and it was the

2310
02:04:52.840 --> 02:04:57.199
<v Speaker 3>mob got together, came up with this great plan and

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<v Speaker 3>then at the last minute, the CIA backs out. The

2312
02:05:00.199 --> 02:05:02.039
<v Speaker 3>mom says, to hell with it, We're still going to

2313
02:05:02.079 --> 02:05:06.319
<v Speaker 3>get him. But the aboort team, who knew was on

2314
02:05:06.479 --> 02:05:09.439
<v Speaker 3>the exascination team, in fact, one of them was part

2315
02:05:09.520 --> 02:05:11.119
<v Speaker 3>of it, and he backed out. Oh no, it's been

2316
02:05:11.199 --> 02:05:14.199
<v Speaker 3>called off. I'm not going to shoot. That's how files

2317
02:05:14.239 --> 02:05:18.159
<v Speaker 3>got pulled in. So knows a backup, right, you know,

2318
02:05:18.600 --> 02:05:20.920
<v Speaker 3>because this guy's not going to fire. They knew this

2319
02:05:21.079 --> 02:05:24.399
<v Speaker 3>for forty assassination. How did they know that the one

2320
02:05:24.479 --> 02:05:26.960
<v Speaker 3>guy was going to back out because it got called off?

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02:05:27.359 --> 02:05:28.680
<v Speaker 4>If he got called off.

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02:05:28.560 --> 02:05:31.640
<v Speaker 1>That morning right right now? The whole thing is the

2323
02:05:31.720 --> 02:05:32.479
<v Speaker 1>thing is job.

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02:05:32.600 --> 02:05:35.680
<v Speaker 2>You know, how many layers are ridiculous, And what really

2325
02:05:35.760 --> 02:05:39.199
<v Speaker 2>is interesting to me is his speech pattern and the

2326
02:05:39.279 --> 02:05:41.920
<v Speaker 2>way he relates things. And people have done voice stress

2327
02:05:41.960 --> 02:05:43.359
<v Speaker 2>analysis on this interview.

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02:05:43.520 --> 02:05:44.319
<v Speaker 1>It's hilarious.

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02:05:45.239 --> 02:05:47.319
<v Speaker 2>The guy, you know, and I know we've all met

2330
02:05:47.399 --> 02:05:49.640
<v Speaker 2>somebody like this, because if ever you spent any time

2331
02:05:49.720 --> 02:05:52.520
<v Speaker 2>in a bar, you can find somebody who is in

2332
02:05:52.680 --> 02:05:56.319
<v Speaker 2>that bar that no matter what you mentioned, they know

2333
02:05:56.520 --> 02:06:01.079
<v Speaker 2>the person, They know the situation, they know about it somehow, right,

2334
02:06:01.720 --> 02:06:03.119
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter what you mentioned.

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02:06:03.199 --> 02:06:05.600
<v Speaker 1>Hey, I was a boxer in nineteen sixty eight.

2336
02:06:05.479 --> 02:06:07.840
<v Speaker 2>But I was also part of the CIA, and I

2337
02:06:07.920 --> 02:06:10.760
<v Speaker 2>knew the mafia people, and I went to Cuba and

2338
02:06:11.000 --> 02:06:12.000
<v Speaker 2>I went to Mexico.

2339
02:06:12.359 --> 02:06:16.399
<v Speaker 1>And no matter what you bring up, they know somebody.

2340
02:06:16.239 --> 02:06:21.319
<v Speaker 2>They know some insider information because they're special and theyked well.

2341
02:06:21.520 --> 02:06:23.880
<v Speaker 1>See that's the thing. Judith has turned it into a

2342
02:06:24.000 --> 02:06:24.960
<v Speaker 1>serious art form.

2343
02:06:25.319 --> 02:06:29.960
<v Speaker 2>But we've all known people who seem to know everything, right,

2344
02:06:30.680 --> 02:06:32.880
<v Speaker 2>who just you know, you run into these people and

2345
02:06:33.000 --> 02:06:37.000
<v Speaker 2>they have a story for everything, you know what I'm saying.

2346
02:06:37.640 --> 02:06:42.640
<v Speaker 2>And Files is one of those guys that continuously builds upon.

2347
02:06:42.840 --> 02:06:45.159
<v Speaker 1>You know what it is. And I love his description

2348
02:06:45.319 --> 02:06:46.159
<v Speaker 1>of how he shot him.

2349
02:06:46.199 --> 02:06:49.199
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't match up to anything, but according to what

2350
02:06:49.319 --> 02:06:51.239
<v Speaker 2>he could have known at the time he went into prison,

2351
02:06:51.720 --> 02:06:55.359
<v Speaker 2>it makes a little bit of sense. But you know,

2352
02:06:55.520 --> 02:06:58.000
<v Speaker 2>things we learned after that, things we learned, you know,

2353
02:06:58.319 --> 02:07:01.199
<v Speaker 2>during that time period when he was locked up. It

2354
02:07:01.359 --> 02:07:03.520
<v Speaker 2>now no longer makes sense him shooting him in the

2355
02:07:03.560 --> 02:07:07.680
<v Speaker 2>temple with a you know, mercury bullet and exploding rounds

2356
02:07:07.760 --> 02:07:13.720
<v Speaker 2>and all this crazy stuff. Anyway, I'm gonna bring Jimmy

2357
02:07:13.760 --> 02:07:15.800
<v Speaker 2>James back on and we're probably gonna close this up.

2358
02:07:15.880 --> 02:07:18.239
<v Speaker 2>Nobody else has joined us, and like I said, no

2359
02:07:18.359 --> 02:07:23.199
<v Speaker 2>age of transmission transitions tonight. So let's close out our

2360
02:07:23.560 --> 02:07:27.920
<v Speaker 2>segment here by bringing Jimmy James back in and let

2361
02:07:28.000 --> 02:07:31.399
<v Speaker 2>him get off his chest. Whatever he wants or continuous interrogation.

2362
02:07:31.640 --> 02:07:33.479
<v Speaker 2>The time is yours, Jimmy, so.

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02:07:33.920 --> 02:07:34.359
<v Speaker 3>Go for it.

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02:07:37.880 --> 02:07:44.600
<v Speaker 5>My goodness, all I got was the I actually wanted

2365
02:07:44.720 --> 02:07:47.520
<v Speaker 5>to get into more of the Dixie mop if from

2366
02:07:47.560 --> 02:07:50.119
<v Speaker 5>where I was talking, and I just much want to

2367
02:07:50.159 --> 02:07:52.000
<v Speaker 5>get into that far per se.

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02:07:52.520 --> 02:07:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh Dixie Mapia.

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02:07:54.000 --> 02:07:57.880
<v Speaker 5>So I guess, yeah, yes, it would have led to that,

2370
02:07:58.840 --> 02:08:04.359
<v Speaker 5>And then that's the quest since regarding Thunderbolt grow and

2371
02:08:04.520 --> 02:08:09.239
<v Speaker 5>I wanted to get into some stuff there for some reasons.

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02:08:10.039 --> 02:08:12.119
<v Speaker 1>You know what's weird about the Dixie Mapia thing.

2373
02:08:12.239 --> 02:08:14.840
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy, let me ask you this about the Dixie Mapia thing,

2374
02:08:15.079 --> 02:08:16.239
<v Speaker 2>just to see where you're going.

2375
02:08:16.720 --> 02:08:18.399
<v Speaker 1>Maybe we can tie this all together.

2376
02:08:18.520 --> 02:08:22.960
<v Speaker 2>Actually, the Dixie Mafia has led to uh, you know

2377
02:08:23.119 --> 02:08:26.760
<v Speaker 2>the people's misunderstanding of this, okay, thinking that it works

2378
02:08:27.119 --> 02:08:30.079
<v Speaker 2>like the Italian mafia, thinking it works like a lot

2379
02:08:30.119 --> 02:08:31.479
<v Speaker 2>of other organized crime.

2380
02:08:32.079 --> 02:08:34.600
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't. It's a whole other animal.

2381
02:08:35.920 --> 02:08:36.199
<v Speaker 3>I am.

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02:08:37.199 --> 02:08:42.039
<v Speaker 5>I understand how the it's Yeah, you do, but the

2383
02:08:42.199 --> 02:08:43.520
<v Speaker 5>majority of people don't.

2384
02:08:44.439 --> 02:08:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, let me just throw something in here, because well,

2385
02:08:46.880 --> 02:08:48.520
<v Speaker 1>let me just throw something in here and then let

2386
02:08:48.600 --> 02:08:49.119
<v Speaker 1>you run with it.

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02:08:49.199 --> 02:08:52.520
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Uh, you might understand it, but I'm telling you

2388
02:08:52.640 --> 02:08:55.319
<v Speaker 2>ninety percent of people who mention it or have encountered

2389
02:08:55.359 --> 02:08:58.199
<v Speaker 2>it have no clue what they're talking about. Oh but

2390
02:08:58.279 --> 02:09:00.319
<v Speaker 2>they were involved with the Dixie Mapia, you know, and

2391
02:09:00.399 --> 02:09:02.920
<v Speaker 2>they bring up Charles Harrison and all this crap.

2392
02:09:03.600 --> 02:09:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Look, you guys don't understand how this works.

2393
02:09:07.039 --> 02:09:10.159
<v Speaker 2>If you're thinking it behaves anything like the Italian mafia,

2394
02:09:10.680 --> 02:09:13.079
<v Speaker 2>it bears no resemblance outside of the name.

2395
02:09:13.399 --> 02:09:17.680
<v Speaker 1>Okay. Next problem is this has led to guys.

2396
02:09:17.439 --> 02:09:21.199
<v Speaker 2>Who were rodeo clowns, you know, claiming that they were

2397
02:09:21.279 --> 02:09:25.880
<v Speaker 2>part of the assassination deal. There's other guys that were,

2398
02:09:26.000 --> 02:09:28.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, sort of like Southern tough guys who were

2399
02:09:28.960 --> 02:09:32.520
<v Speaker 2>involved in certain underground illegal activities one way or another,

2400
02:09:33.000 --> 02:09:34.399
<v Speaker 2>illegal fight clubs and.

2401
02:09:34.520 --> 02:09:37.239
<v Speaker 1>Cock fights and all kinds of weird stuff.

2402
02:09:37.359 --> 02:09:41.399
<v Speaker 2>Minor criminal organizations that were on a local level that

2403
02:09:41.520 --> 02:09:44.880
<v Speaker 2>had connections to the Dixie mafia. Some people have tried

2404
02:09:44.920 --> 02:09:49.039
<v Speaker 2>to suck them into you know, gun running operations, because

2405
02:09:49.119 --> 02:09:51.720
<v Speaker 2>more than one person has claimed to be the man

2406
02:09:51.880 --> 02:09:55.359
<v Speaker 2>to go get the guns, including that guy from The

2407
02:09:55.479 --> 02:09:59.279
<v Speaker 2>Irishman right, you know, the guy who claims that he

2408
02:09:59.319 --> 02:10:02.720
<v Speaker 2>went and got guns guns, who was a good god,

2409
02:10:02.800 --> 02:10:04.920
<v Speaker 2>he was an Irish guy, you know, and Robert de

2410
02:10:05.000 --> 02:10:08.600
<v Speaker 2>Niro played him in the recent Netflix movie The Irishman Right.

2411
02:10:09.520 --> 02:10:11.720
<v Speaker 2>He claims that he was the guy who supplied the

2412
02:10:11.800 --> 02:10:15.640
<v Speaker 2>weapons for the Kennedy assassination. At a certain point, all

2413
02:10:15.760 --> 02:10:18.640
<v Speaker 2>of these people who are you know, part of the

2414
02:10:19.600 --> 02:10:22.760
<v Speaker 2>different let's just call him the random white people of

2415
02:10:23.079 --> 02:10:27.239
<v Speaker 2>allegedly organized crime, whether it's Dixie Mafia, the Irish thugs,

2416
02:10:27.319 --> 02:10:31.640
<v Speaker 2>or whatever non Italian organized crime. There is such a

2417
02:10:31.760 --> 02:10:36.359
<v Speaker 2>weird variety of guys who are supposedly mechanics, rodeo riders,

2418
02:10:36.800 --> 02:10:42.039
<v Speaker 2>tough guys, underground fistfight dudes that have claimed to be

2419
02:10:42.239 --> 02:10:45.880
<v Speaker 2>part of this all built off of this misunderstanding and

2420
02:10:46.000 --> 02:10:51.039
<v Speaker 2>misuse of the concept of the Dixie Mafia. And what's

2421
02:10:51.119 --> 02:10:56.159
<v Speaker 2>fascinating is indeed the Dixie Mafia is an interesting group

2422
02:10:56.239 --> 02:10:59.760
<v Speaker 2>of individuals who are still to this day mostly on

2423
02:11:00.119 --> 02:11:04.960
<v Speaker 2>known Okay, even though they had a sort of sophisticated

2424
02:11:05.680 --> 02:11:10.640
<v Speaker 2>communication network, and even though they did have, you know,

2425
02:11:10.840 --> 02:11:14.119
<v Speaker 2>not the same kind of organized crime again as Italians,

2426
02:11:14.560 --> 02:11:19.079
<v Speaker 2>they had an organized system by which bigger operations could

2427
02:11:19.119 --> 02:11:23.319
<v Speaker 2>be undertaken, but they didn't succeed at a lot of

2428
02:11:23.359 --> 02:11:27.560
<v Speaker 2>the higher profile assassinations. Now they did kill local politicians

2429
02:11:27.640 --> 02:11:31.239
<v Speaker 2>in certain cases, but even in cases where they were

2430
02:11:31.319 --> 02:11:34.119
<v Speaker 2>involved in, say, plots to try and kill Martin Luther

2431
02:11:34.239 --> 02:11:38.840
<v Speaker 2>King Jr. Or people like that, they always seemed to fail.

2432
02:11:39.600 --> 02:11:42.039
<v Speaker 2>And a lot of their failures came from the fact

2433
02:11:42.119 --> 02:11:45.840
<v Speaker 2>that there were con men that were building off of it,

2434
02:11:46.640 --> 02:11:49.119
<v Speaker 2>raising money, even going around saying, you know, you want

2435
02:11:49.159 --> 02:11:51.800
<v Speaker 2>to contribute to getting rid of these you know, black

2436
02:11:51.960 --> 02:11:55.399
<v Speaker 2>rabble rousers, and people would give them money. And some

2437
02:11:55.600 --> 02:11:58.119
<v Speaker 2>of those guys had connections to the Dixie Mafia, and

2438
02:11:58.239 --> 02:11:59.079
<v Speaker 2>some of them didn't.

2439
02:11:59.119 --> 02:12:02.439
<v Speaker 1>They were just conment. It is a weird.

2440
02:12:02.399 --> 02:12:06.239
<v Speaker 2>Nexus that comes together with this, and I've always found

2441
02:12:06.279 --> 02:12:08.720
<v Speaker 2>it fascinating when people just throw that term out there

2442
02:12:09.359 --> 02:12:11.119
<v Speaker 2>and think that's the mic drop moment.

2443
02:12:11.199 --> 02:12:13.439
<v Speaker 1>Well, he was part of the Dixie Mafia. End of story.

2444
02:12:14.520 --> 02:12:18.199
<v Speaker 2>That don't mean jack, especially because the majority of the

2445
02:12:18.279 --> 02:12:20.439
<v Speaker 2>time you can't even prove who.

2446
02:12:20.479 --> 02:12:23.359
<v Speaker 1>Was actually part of the network, and half.

2447
02:12:23.199 --> 02:12:25.239
<v Speaker 2>Of the people that have claimed to be part of

2448
02:12:25.319 --> 02:12:28.199
<v Speaker 2>it or have claimed to be part of certain operations

2449
02:12:28.239 --> 02:12:30.439
<v Speaker 2>that led to gun running that led to you.

2450
02:12:30.479 --> 02:12:32.439
<v Speaker 1>Know, we helped opinion on Oswald.

2451
02:12:33.399 --> 02:12:36.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, it wasn't the Italian mafia contacted Ruby, it

2452
02:12:36.960 --> 02:12:38.119
<v Speaker 2>was the Dixie Mafia.

2453
02:12:38.640 --> 02:12:40.199
<v Speaker 1>Blah blah blah, and on and on.

2454
02:12:41.239 --> 02:12:44.520
<v Speaker 2>A lot of it is just nonsense because people don't

2455
02:12:44.520 --> 02:12:48.000
<v Speaker 2>even understand the organization they're talking about and have no

2456
02:12:48.159 --> 02:12:52.079
<v Speaker 2>idea of the actual pool of people that's really available

2457
02:12:52.319 --> 02:12:55.920
<v Speaker 2>if you conclude that the Dixie Mafia was literally part

2458
02:12:55.960 --> 02:12:58.520
<v Speaker 2>of it. So I wanted to say all that, Jimmy,

2459
02:12:58.520 --> 02:13:01.880
<v Speaker 2>because I've always found this fascinating. Did people just throw

2460
02:13:01.960 --> 02:13:04.439
<v Speaker 2>that out there and then go and plus, here's the

2461
02:13:04.520 --> 02:13:07.079
<v Speaker 2>money oil men end the story, you know what I mean.

2462
02:13:07.399 --> 02:13:11.720
<v Speaker 2>Here's oil men, here's Dixie Mafia, and they're responsible.

2463
02:13:12.199 --> 02:13:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Just because it's wild.

2464
02:13:15.399 --> 02:13:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Anyways, Sorry, Jimmy, but you run with whatever you want

2465
02:13:18.920 --> 02:13:20.600
<v Speaker 2>and I'll let you and v Pete kind of close

2466
02:13:20.640 --> 02:13:21.199
<v Speaker 2>out the show.

2467
02:13:21.359 --> 02:13:26.760
<v Speaker 5>Go ahead, Yeah, I want to go to overtime.

2468
02:13:27.640 --> 02:13:29.199
<v Speaker 1>Well, we're already on overtime.

2469
02:13:32.039 --> 02:13:33.439
<v Speaker 6>I'm talking to eleven.

2470
02:13:34.680 --> 02:13:37.600
<v Speaker 2>Well, We're already twenty two minutes after so if somebody

2471
02:13:37.640 --> 02:13:39.560
<v Speaker 2>else calls in or you take you guys take a

2472
02:13:39.600 --> 02:13:41.000
<v Speaker 2>long time, we'll be there.

2473
02:13:41.079 --> 02:13:44.680
<v Speaker 1>But uh, you know, let's go with the flow. Go ahead, man,

2474
02:13:44.720 --> 02:13:45.479
<v Speaker 1>what do you got in mind?

2475
02:13:49.159 --> 02:13:49.439
<v Speaker 3>All right?

2476
02:13:49.720 --> 02:13:59.279
<v Speaker 5>Yeah? The only reason, Yeah, Truck is absolutely right. It's

2477
02:13:59.319 --> 02:14:02.079
<v Speaker 5>a miss snow them were really to call them a mob.

2478
02:14:03.720 --> 02:14:07.520
<v Speaker 5>Some people called them the corn bread mobs. Some people

2479
02:14:07.680 --> 02:14:12.239
<v Speaker 5>called them the the interstate moby.

2480
02:14:11.800 --> 02:14:16.399
<v Speaker 6>This, that the other thing. But like Chuck said, they worked.

2481
02:14:16.319 --> 02:14:19.239
<v Speaker 5>Almost like the CIA cells.

2482
02:14:19.479 --> 02:14:20.479
<v Speaker 6>They weren't connected.

2483
02:14:20.600 --> 02:14:25.279
<v Speaker 5>They were just mostly career criminals who once in a

2484
02:14:25.359 --> 02:14:32.479
<v Speaker 5>while could help each other out. Very no real organization. Uh.

2485
02:14:32.800 --> 02:14:37.560
<v Speaker 5>And of fact, the parts I'm interested in is.

2486
02:14:39.239 --> 02:14:39.439
<v Speaker 3>More.

2487
02:14:40.600 --> 02:14:42.399
<v Speaker 5>No, I don't think that they had.

2488
02:14:45.199 --> 02:14:49.760
<v Speaker 6>Uh a substantial part to do.

2489
02:14:50.119 --> 02:14:54.479
<v Speaker 5>With I don't think they had.

2490
02:14:56.039 --> 02:14:57.319
<v Speaker 6>I think a couple other.

2491
02:14:57.359 --> 02:15:03.079
<v Speaker 5>Guys were forced to cooperate with the JFK assassination conspiracy.

2492
02:15:04.079 --> 02:15:08.279
<v Speaker 5>But I don't think they were horse raining compacted. I

2493
02:15:08.439 --> 02:15:13.600
<v Speaker 5>think they were plotting to kill r f K and MLK.

2494
02:15:14.720 --> 02:15:21.840
<v Speaker 5>But I think that Sir hanshn uh got Kennedy before

2495
02:15:21.960 --> 02:15:25.960
<v Speaker 5>they could. But I think that they did get MLK.

2496
02:15:26.960 --> 02:15:33.399
<v Speaker 5>But actually, uh, the thing is is a lot of

2497
02:15:33.439 --> 02:15:37.680
<v Speaker 5>the cute some well they're some of the cute. A

2498
02:15:37.800 --> 02:15:41.479
<v Speaker 5>lot of the Cubans were the Cuban exiles, and some

2499
02:15:41.680 --> 02:15:47.359
<v Speaker 5>of them that were involved, most likely with the Kennedy

2500
02:15:48.399 --> 02:15:57.680
<v Speaker 5>Manner situation. Uh man, they just they really stuck together.

2501
02:15:58.880 --> 02:16:04.800
<v Speaker 5>Uh you know, they go Congo, and they go being,

2502
02:16:06.119 --> 02:16:17.319
<v Speaker 5>and they go crime and then in the eighties international

2503
02:16:18.439 --> 02:16:19.239
<v Speaker 5>drug crime.

2504
02:16:20.840 --> 02:16:20.960
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

2505
02:16:22.319 --> 02:16:25.479
<v Speaker 5>I'm curious, what did Stu Wexler. You mentioned that he

2506
02:16:25.840 --> 02:16:27.920
<v Speaker 5>was bringing that up, so he must be kind of

2507
02:16:28.000 --> 02:16:31.640
<v Speaker 5>looking into the same lines I am. I'm guessing.

2508
02:16:34.280 --> 02:16:36.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I mean he's looked at a lot of

2509
02:16:36.760 --> 02:16:40.040
<v Speaker 2>interesting connections and uh, you know some of these again,

2510
02:16:40.120 --> 02:16:43.000
<v Speaker 2>these fundraiser people. That's been the most interesting part of

2511
02:16:43.079 --> 02:16:45.799
<v Speaker 2>Stew's work in my mind, is you know that there

2512
02:16:45.840 --> 02:16:49.319
<v Speaker 2>were con men going around raising money and there were

2513
02:16:49.360 --> 02:16:51.959
<v Speaker 2>other guys that were literally, you know, raising money that

2514
02:16:52.079 --> 02:16:53.559
<v Speaker 2>was supposed to pay for bounties.

2515
02:16:55.040 --> 02:16:56.600
<v Speaker 3>Was that Oh.

2516
02:16:58.840 --> 02:16:59.879
<v Speaker 1>So I hit some.

2517
02:17:02.760 --> 02:17:06.319
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I see where it is interested in is the

2518
02:17:06.520 --> 02:17:13.879
<v Speaker 5>sixties more than the John Burt's Society right wing stuff.

2519
02:17:14.559 --> 02:17:14.760
<v Speaker 1>See.

2520
02:17:14.799 --> 02:17:18.559
<v Speaker 5>What what interests me about these characters is that they

2521
02:17:18.639 --> 02:17:22.840
<v Speaker 5>would go on to do the Zee murderers and things

2522
02:17:22.920 --> 02:17:27.840
<v Speaker 5>so as such. Quite frankly, I have questions, says, to

2523
02:17:27.959 --> 02:17:34.760
<v Speaker 5>some of these people's allegiances, let's just say, to the country, right,

2524
02:17:35.879 --> 02:17:39.200
<v Speaker 5>especially some of the crap they were born in the eighties.

2525
02:17:41.000 --> 02:17:41.159
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

2526
02:17:43.239 --> 02:17:45.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well it's an odd mix.

2527
02:17:46.520 --> 02:17:48.520
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's an odd mix because there are people that,

2528
02:17:48.760 --> 02:17:53.000
<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, we're doing some rather unpatriotic things that really,

2529
02:17:53.079 --> 02:17:56.360
<v Speaker 2>if you ask them, they thought they were acting on

2530
02:17:56.559 --> 02:17:58.959
<v Speaker 2>behalf of the you know, greater.

2531
02:17:58.840 --> 02:18:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Good of the United States.

2532
02:18:00.840 --> 02:18:03.120
<v Speaker 2>In some cases, I mean, some of the most criminal

2533
02:18:03.200 --> 02:18:05.879
<v Speaker 2>elements thought that that's what they were doing, you know

2534
02:18:05.920 --> 02:18:08.680
<v Speaker 2>what I mean, in cutting side deals with you know,

2535
02:18:09.319 --> 02:18:12.360
<v Speaker 2>these organizations that the government couldn't get blamed for cutting

2536
02:18:12.399 --> 02:18:15.879
<v Speaker 2>side deals with and things, right. I mean, it's really

2537
02:18:15.959 --> 02:18:18.760
<v Speaker 2>a bizarre mix. It's very hard to untangle, Jimmy, So

2538
02:18:19.479 --> 02:18:21.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, good luck if you're going to try and

2539
02:18:21.159 --> 02:18:24.680
<v Speaker 2>untangle that. I've seen some interesting stuff, like you know,

2540
02:18:24.760 --> 02:18:26.959
<v Speaker 2>the work of say like Doug Valentine.

2541
02:18:26.520 --> 02:18:31.280
<v Speaker 1>On this is a hell of difficult to unravel. By

2542
02:18:31.360 --> 02:18:31.680
<v Speaker 1>go ahead.

2543
02:18:32.479 --> 02:18:38.239
<v Speaker 5>I love what John Fessor hand packed at once on

2544
02:18:38.440 --> 02:18:41.760
<v Speaker 5>his show he was quiff making out drug and a

2545
02:18:41.879 --> 02:18:48.559
<v Speaker 5>lags drug king in Miami who once said, hey, everyone's

2546
02:18:48.760 --> 02:18:52.879
<v Speaker 5>down here, says or Cia, So it must be a okay.

2547
02:18:54.920 --> 02:18:56.120
<v Speaker 1>There you go, and that.

2548
02:18:58.000 --> 02:19:01.000
<v Speaker 5>That was the kind of thing going on in the eighties.

2549
02:19:01.760 --> 02:19:04.159
<v Speaker 5>And there was just a lot of crap going.

2550
02:19:04.000 --> 02:19:04.799
<v Speaker 6>On in the eighties.

2551
02:19:05.520 --> 02:19:09.639
<v Speaker 5>I'm telling you this, this racer, Okay, he's an engineer.

2552
02:19:09.920 --> 02:19:12.200
<v Speaker 5>Then you got the thunderboat row.

2553
02:19:12.159 --> 02:19:14.000
<v Speaker 6>Guy who's cuban.

2554
02:19:16.000 --> 02:19:16.920
<v Speaker 4>What was his name?

2555
02:19:17.079 --> 02:19:21.399
<v Speaker 5>Ept if you're still with us, remember the speedboat. The

2556
02:19:21.479 --> 02:19:23.959
<v Speaker 5>guy invented cigarette boats.

2557
02:19:25.120 --> 02:19:28.000
<v Speaker 3>M hm, oh god.

2558
02:19:30.239 --> 02:19:32.559
<v Speaker 4>Lot, Reggie Fountain, I mean he perfected it.

2559
02:19:34.520 --> 02:19:40.840
<v Speaker 1>Let me see, invented cigarette boats.

2560
02:19:43.319 --> 02:19:50.479
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it was in the seventies, eighties with the.

2561
02:19:52.200 --> 02:19:57.559
<v Speaker 4>Drug was his name, Donald Ronel.

2562
02:20:04.159 --> 02:20:05.639
<v Speaker 5>From New Jersey, wasn't he.

2563
02:20:07.479 --> 02:20:09.680
<v Speaker 4>The Brooklyn, New York Sey was born.

2564
02:20:12.360 --> 02:20:13.760
<v Speaker 5>Well, he lived in Jersey.

2565
02:20:15.319 --> 02:20:21.200
<v Speaker 7>It costs for you too, Okay, thank you, East New Jersey,

2566
02:20:21.360 --> 02:20:27.799
<v Speaker 7>West New York, Donald Aronet.

2567
02:20:28.120 --> 02:20:32.079
<v Speaker 4>But he was.

2568
02:20:32.200 --> 02:20:36.920
<v Speaker 3>He made several boats that from his designs.

2569
02:20:38.959 --> 02:20:43.399
<v Speaker 1>Sorry say that I missed what you said there be Pete.

2570
02:20:43.399 --> 02:20:47.639
<v Speaker 3>What was that he said? He was he's been. He designed,

2571
02:20:47.719 --> 02:20:50.959
<v Speaker 3>he came up with the original cigarette boat design and

2572
02:20:51.200 --> 02:20:57.600
<v Speaker 3>from that he's worked with several boat builders Donzie Fountain,

2573
02:20:58.200 --> 02:21:00.200
<v Speaker 3>all of these you know companies to go to him

2574
02:21:00.200 --> 02:21:03.959
<v Speaker 3>for design work. He was really influential in the in

2575
02:21:04.079 --> 02:21:08.920
<v Speaker 3>the boat racing. I mean the boat was designed to

2576
02:21:09.799 --> 02:21:14.319
<v Speaker 3>smuggle cigarettes from Keywa of Florida. You know, he wanted

2577
02:21:14.360 --> 02:21:16.760
<v Speaker 3>something that would go. Now, nobody could catch him.

2578
02:21:18.319 --> 02:21:22.520
<v Speaker 5>Cigarettes. He was smuggling drugs. It wasn't him. People were

2579
02:21:22.719 --> 02:21:26.239
<v Speaker 5>using his boats. Okay, So in the eighties what they

2580
02:21:26.319 --> 02:21:29.319
<v Speaker 5>were doing in the seventies, they would have these motherships

2581
02:21:29.360 --> 02:21:33.719
<v Speaker 5>and they would just drop out these barrels of drugs,

2582
02:21:33.920 --> 02:21:35.159
<v Speaker 5>mostly weed back.

2583
02:21:35.079 --> 02:21:39.639
<v Speaker 16>Then some coote and then the guys would go out, yeah,

2584
02:21:39.840 --> 02:21:42.840
<v Speaker 16>speedboats and they would pick them up and they would

2585
02:21:42.920 --> 02:21:46.399
<v Speaker 16>just whizz by, and there's about ninety nine percent of

2586
02:21:46.479 --> 02:21:48.680
<v Speaker 16>them would make them back somewhere.

2587
02:21:48.440 --> 02:21:50.879
<v Speaker 5>All over the place. They would pull in so big

2588
02:21:50.959 --> 02:21:54.920
<v Speaker 5>border patrol curtain and catch them. And they got to

2589
02:21:55.040 --> 02:21:57.200
<v Speaker 5>the point that they couldn't catch them because this guy

2590
02:21:57.399 --> 02:22:00.879
<v Speaker 5>was building speedboats, which if you ever watched Miami Vice,

2591
02:22:01.000 --> 02:22:05.399
<v Speaker 5>the boats do there that speedboat or cigarette boats just

2592
02:22:05.520 --> 02:22:08.559
<v Speaker 5>what you would think of were the front like way

2593
02:22:08.639 --> 02:22:11.159
<v Speaker 5>up in the air almost because it's going so fast.

2594
02:22:12.280 --> 02:22:16.159
<v Speaker 5>But now this kuy was and he was murdered. He

2595
02:22:16.280 --> 02:22:26.520
<v Speaker 5>was shot murdered. Also corn Bread mobs type stuff going

2596
02:22:26.600 --> 02:22:29.719
<v Speaker 5>on there. I just find this fascinating. There's just this

2597
02:22:31.159 --> 02:22:35.559
<v Speaker 5>complete line of these same people doing these shenanigans.

2598
02:22:37.200 --> 02:22:39.600
<v Speaker 2>Well, at a certain point, there was a standard operating

2599
02:22:39.680 --> 02:22:42.440
<v Speaker 2>procedure where somewhere off of the coast of Florida, and

2600
02:22:42.520 --> 02:22:45.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to say where, there would be drop

2601
02:22:45.680 --> 02:22:48.799
<v Speaker 2>zones where these guys would drop off a whole bunch

2602
02:22:49.120 --> 02:22:53.280
<v Speaker 2>of well wrapped packages that were meant to float out

2603
02:22:53.319 --> 02:22:55.680
<v Speaker 2>there and be picked up by a variety of boats

2604
02:22:56.879 --> 02:22:59.319
<v Speaker 2>and then brought back into the country so that nobody,

2605
02:22:59.600 --> 02:23:02.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, a short trip off of the coast, you

2606
02:23:02.559 --> 02:23:04.639
<v Speaker 2>go pick stuff up. Whether you're going out there with

2607
02:23:04.760 --> 02:23:07.040
<v Speaker 2>a speedboat or you're going out there with a fishing boat,

2608
02:23:07.520 --> 02:23:08.120
<v Speaker 2>didn't matter.

2609
02:23:08.280 --> 02:23:11.399
<v Speaker 1>They were coming back with huge packages.

2610
02:23:11.920 --> 02:23:15.360
<v Speaker 2>In some cases, they were wrapped in these like industrial

2611
02:23:15.520 --> 02:23:20.040
<v Speaker 2>strength plastic bags and then something was lashed to it

2612
02:23:20.239 --> 02:23:23.440
<v Speaker 2>that kept it floating and also allowed you to spot

2613
02:23:23.520 --> 02:23:26.319
<v Speaker 2>it in the water, but not from too far away.

2614
02:23:27.040 --> 02:23:29.719
<v Speaker 2>If you knew where the general drop zone was, you

2615
02:23:29.799 --> 02:23:32.760
<v Speaker 2>could be there almost immediately after a whole bunch of

2616
02:23:32.799 --> 02:23:36.520
<v Speaker 2>these things were dumped together, and they would retrieve the

2617
02:23:36.639 --> 02:23:38.399
<v Speaker 2>majority of the packages.

2618
02:23:38.000 --> 02:23:40.559
<v Speaker 1>This way, bring them back in that way, they're not

2619
02:23:40.719 --> 02:23:45.200
<v Speaker 1>going through any you know, inspection. Nobody sees them come

2620
02:23:45.319 --> 02:23:45.600
<v Speaker 1>back in.

2621
02:23:45.760 --> 02:23:48.200
<v Speaker 2>It's just a boat going out either to fish or

2622
02:23:48.280 --> 02:23:51.239
<v Speaker 2>cruise or whatever, and then coming back a little while later.

2623
02:23:51.879 --> 02:23:56.040
<v Speaker 2>Nothing to see here, folks. Huge amounts ended up on

2624
02:23:56.159 --> 02:23:59.479
<v Speaker 2>these boats instead of fish, instead of you know, just

2625
02:23:59.559 --> 02:24:04.680
<v Speaker 2>sits whatever. That was done in the eighties and nineties.

2626
02:24:04.760 --> 02:24:08.000
<v Speaker 1>I know that for a fact. Uh you know.

2627
02:24:08.159 --> 02:24:10.239
<v Speaker 2>As for the cigarette boat though, and by the way,

2628
02:24:10.280 --> 02:24:12.120
<v Speaker 2>it does say all over the internet this guy was

2629
02:24:12.200 --> 02:24:12.959
<v Speaker 2>New York based.

2630
02:24:13.840 --> 02:24:17.719
<v Speaker 1>They called him a uh let's see uh Ara now

2631
02:24:17.959 --> 02:24:22.440
<v Speaker 1>is a New York based NASCAR New York based racer and.

2632
02:24:22.639 --> 02:24:26.159
<v Speaker 2>Businessman, they say, who built the first cigarette boat with

2633
02:24:26.280 --> 02:24:29.559
<v Speaker 2>a long, sleek call that he thought resembled a cigarette.

2634
02:24:30.840 --> 02:24:37.440
<v Speaker 5>Okay, uh No, he definitely relocated to do South Florida.

2635
02:24:38.680 --> 02:24:40.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, probably with his dad.

2636
02:24:42.239 --> 02:24:45.319
<v Speaker 3>Well, they actually moved their shop. They were working up

2637
02:24:45.479 --> 02:24:47.920
<v Speaker 3>north in the New York area. He's from uh Or

2638
02:24:48.040 --> 02:24:50.079
<v Speaker 3>she said, Bay Brooklyn, and.

2639
02:24:50.159 --> 02:24:53.479
<v Speaker 2>They started, Yeah, he started his own company in nineteen

2640
02:24:53.760 --> 02:24:54.680
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy.

2641
02:24:56.319 --> 02:24:58.719
<v Speaker 3>The cigaret side has to move, so they went south

2642
02:24:58.840 --> 02:25:01.639
<v Speaker 3>and that's how they ended up in Florida. Started building stuff.

2643
02:25:01.639 --> 02:25:03.559
<v Speaker 3>They built off In fact, their first shot with built

2644
02:25:03.600 --> 02:25:07.719
<v Speaker 3>off Highway one because in his first boat he was

2645
02:25:07.840 --> 02:25:10.920
<v Speaker 3>using Merk cruisers. That was the time that Holman Moody

2646
02:25:11.600 --> 02:25:14.200
<v Speaker 3>still had Home and Moody Marine and they were doing

2647
02:25:14.319 --> 02:25:18.959
<v Speaker 3>racing engines for boats. That's how correct Craft came across

2648
02:25:19.079 --> 02:25:22.000
<v Speaker 3>using the Holman Mooty Marine engines. Holman Moody was a

2649
02:25:22.040 --> 02:25:22.920
<v Speaker 3>big Nascar nat.

2650
02:25:28.200 --> 02:25:33.159
<v Speaker 2>The life of speed demon boat builder Don Aaron Now

2651
02:25:33.479 --> 02:25:37.879
<v Speaker 2>was cut short in a hail of bullets. Wow, he

2652
02:25:37.959 --> 02:25:40.399
<v Speaker 2>had left the lasting impression on the people.

2653
02:25:41.280 --> 02:25:43.120
<v Speaker 1>Where's this article here? Let's see.

2654
02:25:45.520 --> 02:25:48.399
<v Speaker 2>Legendary cigarette. Okay, Bob they just made. Don't make him

2655
02:25:48.440 --> 02:25:51.840
<v Speaker 2>like Don Aaron Now anymore. There's a whole thing on

2656
02:25:51.959 --> 02:25:54.200
<v Speaker 2>this about how he died, and I'm trying to follow

2657
02:25:54.319 --> 02:25:57.520
<v Speaker 2>up on it. Okay, passed the darker side that even

2658
02:25:57.559 --> 02:25:59.799
<v Speaker 2>he could not run, and in the end he wound

2659
02:25:59.879 --> 02:26:02.680
<v Speaker 2>up with nothing more than a target for an assassin's bullet.

2660
02:26:04.280 --> 02:26:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

2661
02:26:04.479 --> 02:26:06.479
<v Speaker 4>It was in North Miami Beach when I got him

2662
02:26:06.479 --> 02:26:07.200
<v Speaker 4>in eighty seven.

2663
02:26:08.159 --> 02:26:10.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's see, I know the sleeping centers of mark

2664
02:26:10.920 --> 02:26:14.239
<v Speaker 2>I can retire. Looked like he was getting ready to retire,

2665
02:26:14.719 --> 02:26:20.239
<v Speaker 2>retire and go away. They show a boat called the

2666
02:26:20.360 --> 02:26:23.719
<v Speaker 2>cigarette one, which was apparently the one he built, the

2667
02:26:23.760 --> 02:26:24.200
<v Speaker 2>first one.

2668
02:26:24.239 --> 02:26:24.559
<v Speaker 1>I guess.

2669
02:26:25.440 --> 02:26:25.600
<v Speaker 3>Now.

2670
02:26:25.799 --> 02:26:29.760
<v Speaker 5>He had a hilarious scheme going on Chuck where he

2671
02:26:29.959 --> 02:26:34.600
<v Speaker 5>was so beloved and as a builder, that he would

2672
02:26:34.719 --> 02:26:38.719
<v Speaker 5>sell his companies, knowing perfectly well that he could just

2673
02:26:38.879 --> 02:26:41.840
<v Speaker 5>go start a new one and everyone, all of the

2674
02:26:42.040 --> 02:26:44.600
<v Speaker 5>same customers are just going to go right to his

2675
02:26:44.760 --> 02:26:48.200
<v Speaker 5>news shop. And at that point he even had the

2676
02:26:48.360 --> 02:26:53.040
<v Speaker 5>EA as a customer because they needed boats to keep

2677
02:26:53.120 --> 02:26:56.959
<v Speaker 5>up with his other boats. So some dummy that was

2678
02:26:57.120 --> 02:27:01.760
<v Speaker 5>actually one of these drug dealers said hey, I'll buy out.

2679
02:27:02.159 --> 02:27:05.239
<v Speaker 5>He said, okay, and then he just went and started

2680
02:27:05.360 --> 02:27:08.079
<v Speaker 5>the other company in the DA and everyone went to

2681
02:27:08.280 --> 02:27:12.079
<v Speaker 5>him for their business. So that was one of the

2682
02:27:12.159 --> 02:27:13.479
<v Speaker 5>reason people hated him.

2683
02:27:15.319 --> 02:27:18.280
<v Speaker 2>So Donzie to Teleflex. Then he bought a parcel of

2684
02:27:18.360 --> 02:27:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Bland immediately west of them.

2685
02:27:21.040 --> 02:27:25.639
<v Speaker 3>Manum Donzie was a boat company that they started and

2686
02:27:26.280 --> 02:27:28.440
<v Speaker 3>when he sold it, he sold it to Teleflex, who

2687
02:27:28.600 --> 02:27:33.959
<v Speaker 3>was one of the biggest instruments manufacturers for boats.

2688
02:27:36.840 --> 02:27:38.200
<v Speaker 4>In fact, when I bought when.

2689
02:27:38.079 --> 02:27:43.680
<v Speaker 3>I redid the correct craft, I had Teleflex instruments in

2690
02:27:43.760 --> 02:27:44.200
<v Speaker 3>the dash.

2691
02:27:44.760 --> 02:27:47.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah I'm just skimming through. That's all correct, but it's

2692
02:27:47.399 --> 02:27:49.799
<v Speaker 1>very interesting. He's got a hell of an interesting history

2693
02:27:49.920 --> 02:27:51.600
<v Speaker 1>that does end rather abruptly.

2694
02:27:53.000 --> 02:27:56.280
<v Speaker 3>As they said in the article there, I didn't know

2695
02:27:56.399 --> 02:27:59.479
<v Speaker 3>that the movie Speed Kills with John Travolta it was

2696
02:27:59.520 --> 02:28:01.120
<v Speaker 3>based on this guy's story.

2697
02:28:03.760 --> 02:28:06.319
<v Speaker 1>Ah, here we go. You know why New Jersey comes up?

2698
02:28:06.520 --> 02:28:10.799
<v Speaker 1>Here we go? He was a kid from Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn.

2699
02:28:10.879 --> 02:28:14.520
<v Speaker 2>By age twenty one, Aaron now found himself married and

2700
02:28:14.600 --> 02:28:17.159
<v Speaker 2>about to start a career in his father in law's

2701
02:28:17.200 --> 02:28:21.200
<v Speaker 2>New Jersey construction company. His father in law had a

2702
02:28:21.239 --> 02:28:27.840
<v Speaker 2>construction company over there. Well, Okay, Brown, Shirley, Shirley Brown

2703
02:28:28.000 --> 02:28:30.639
<v Speaker 2>was his first wife. Her father was extremely wealthy, and

2704
02:28:30.760 --> 02:28:32.680
<v Speaker 2>Don once told me he was going to take Shirley

2705
02:28:32.719 --> 02:28:34.280
<v Speaker 2>to California if the.

2706
02:28:34.280 --> 02:28:38.360
<v Speaker 1>Old man didn't cut him into the business. Let's see.

2707
02:28:38.440 --> 02:28:41.280
<v Speaker 2>Working with the family for a few years, then he

2708
02:28:41.360 --> 02:28:45.000
<v Speaker 2>went off started building homes and shopping centers, industrial parks

2709
02:28:45.079 --> 02:28:49.319
<v Speaker 2>all over northern New Jersey, and he eventually became Yeah,

2710
02:28:49.399 --> 02:28:52.079
<v Speaker 2>so he did construction in northern New Jersey.

2711
02:28:55.319 --> 02:29:00.399
<v Speaker 1>Okay, fair enough. Yeah, that's yeah, that's the New Jersey connection.

2712
02:29:00.479 --> 02:29:01.799
<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to find out about that.

2713
02:29:01.959 --> 02:29:06.040
<v Speaker 4>But there it is, Slay, everything's connected to Jersey.

2714
02:29:06.200 --> 02:29:07.200
<v Speaker 3>Somewhat somehow.

2715
02:29:07.280 --> 02:29:11.680
<v Speaker 2>If it's bizarre or extremely dark or just crazy, you'll

2716
02:29:11.719 --> 02:29:14.360
<v Speaker 2>find a new Jersey connection. It's just the way of

2717
02:29:14.399 --> 02:29:18.280
<v Speaker 2>the world anyway. Guys, it looks like nobody else is

2718
02:29:18.319 --> 02:29:20.239
<v Speaker 2>going to join us on the conversation tonight.

2719
02:29:20.879 --> 02:29:24.239
<v Speaker 1>So you know, I'm about three. What time is it?

2720
02:29:24.360 --> 02:29:29.719
<v Speaker 2>Let's see, Hey, it's about twenty to eleven, So we've

2721
02:29:29.799 --> 02:29:31.600
<v Speaker 2>gone some extra time here tonight.

2722
02:29:31.760 --> 02:29:33.799
<v Speaker 1>And I want to give you know, first.

2723
02:29:33.680 --> 02:29:37.319
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy James a chance to speak his peace, give shout

2724
02:29:37.360 --> 02:29:39.559
<v Speaker 2>outs or whatever he wants, and then be Pete and

2725
02:29:39.639 --> 02:29:43.280
<v Speaker 2>then we're done. So Jimmy, how would you like to

2726
02:29:43.360 --> 02:29:46.040
<v Speaker 2>conclude your thoughts through the evening here on this Friday night?

2727
02:29:50.520 --> 02:29:57.920
<v Speaker 6>Why hope good nuts week? I call in get people

2728
02:29:57.959 --> 02:30:02.200
<v Speaker 6>want followers and listeners. I hope everyone will be the

2729
02:30:02.399 --> 02:30:07.600
<v Speaker 6>league because the election will be over. I hope they

2730
02:30:07.600 --> 02:30:14.920
<v Speaker 6>will be believable, and I believe everyone will hopefully just

2731
02:30:15.200 --> 02:30:15.959
<v Speaker 6>settle the hell.

2732
02:30:17.680 --> 02:30:18.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and.

2733
02:30:20.399 --> 02:30:23.879
<v Speaker 5>The Lions are gonna go deep the crap out of

2734
02:30:23.959 --> 02:30:28.040
<v Speaker 5>the factors the way we've been destroying every team in

2735
02:30:28.200 --> 02:30:28.639
<v Speaker 5>our way.

2736
02:30:29.120 --> 02:30:31.319
<v Speaker 6>Here you go, very proud of it.

2737
02:30:33.319 --> 02:30:36.280
<v Speaker 3>I'm part of that, check you're part of it.

2738
02:30:36.600 --> 02:30:37.639
<v Speaker 6>Let's me down there.

2739
02:30:38.239 --> 02:30:45.959
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's me down there and the truth nice. That's yeah.

2740
02:30:46.680 --> 02:30:48.520
<v Speaker 1>Well look, I'm happy for you.

2741
02:30:48.719 --> 02:30:51.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm happy for whoever's winning out there, and I'll be

2742
02:30:52.120 --> 02:30:56.520
<v Speaker 2>real happy if the selection concludes and you know what,

2743
02:30:56.639 --> 02:30:59.680
<v Speaker 2>we get calm finally, shut the hell up, no more

2744
02:30:59.719 --> 02:31:03.680
<v Speaker 2>as it's no more debating over this and whatever the

2745
02:31:03.760 --> 02:31:07.799
<v Speaker 2>outcome is, accept it. Shut up, move on, please please.

2746
02:31:08.479 --> 02:31:10.799
<v Speaker 2>I know I'm not going to get my wish, but

2747
02:31:10.920 --> 02:31:13.360
<v Speaker 2>that's all I want is just shut up and move on,

2748
02:31:14.520 --> 02:31:17.479
<v Speaker 2>you know what. And I still stand by my prediction.

2749
02:31:18.040 --> 02:31:18.760
<v Speaker 1>Trump is going to.

2750
02:31:18.799 --> 02:31:22.799
<v Speaker 2>Win, but it's going to be close. So who's going

2751
02:31:22.879 --> 02:31:26.639
<v Speaker 2>to contest Who's going to cause the problem? We'll get

2752
02:31:26.719 --> 02:31:29.799
<v Speaker 2>to see right then and there, Jimmy, I thank you

2753
02:31:29.959 --> 02:31:32.920
<v Speaker 2>for calling in. And also you're the executive producer for

2754
02:31:33.000 --> 02:31:36.760
<v Speaker 2>tonight's show, so we'll put Jimmy on hold and Bepete

2755
02:31:37.000 --> 02:31:39.079
<v Speaker 2>your final word for this week.

2756
02:31:41.440 --> 02:31:42.559
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I don't know.

2757
02:31:42.799 --> 02:31:44.799
<v Speaker 4>I'm just I gotta make it through Tuesday. If I

2758
02:31:44.959 --> 02:31:46.440
<v Speaker 4>make it through Tuesday, I'll be all right.

2759
02:31:46.600 --> 02:31:48.520
<v Speaker 3>But I'm at the point right now I'm just ready

2760
02:31:48.520 --> 02:31:50.520
<v Speaker 3>to start fighting people over this whole time.

2761
02:31:51.760 --> 02:31:55.639
<v Speaker 4>This has been the worst political season. I think I've

2762
02:31:55.680 --> 02:31:57.360
<v Speaker 4>ever seen in all my years.

2763
02:31:58.200 --> 02:32:01.959
<v Speaker 3>I just hope the next one's better. Two years, we're

2764
02:32:02.000 --> 02:32:03.840
<v Speaker 3>gonna be going through this again in the mid terms.

2765
02:32:04.959 --> 02:32:07.120
<v Speaker 1>You think we're gonna he won't be the same intensity.

2766
02:32:07.200 --> 02:32:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Do you think now it won't be.

2767
02:32:09.879 --> 02:32:12.600
<v Speaker 3>The same intensity. It will depend on It's going to

2768
02:32:12.680 --> 02:32:16.959
<v Speaker 3>depend on if the House and the Senate change in

2769
02:32:17.159 --> 02:32:21.440
<v Speaker 3>this election. Uh. You know now they're predicting that it's

2770
02:32:21.520 --> 02:32:24.559
<v Speaker 3>possible that it could be a GOP sweep of everything.

2771
02:32:25.600 --> 02:32:27.879
<v Speaker 3>And then Trump is going to have everybody in place

2772
02:32:27.959 --> 02:32:29.600
<v Speaker 3>for him to do what he wants, and we're gonna

2773
02:32:29.600 --> 02:32:31.319
<v Speaker 3>see what gets done. And we're going to see if

2774
02:32:31.360 --> 02:32:36.239
<v Speaker 3>things get shift, budgets change, and the waste goes away.

2775
02:32:37.520 --> 02:32:40.680
<v Speaker 3>Although this isn't an interesting thing I thought about today,

2776
02:32:40.920 --> 02:32:44.959
<v Speaker 3>if Trump wins and follows through by putting Elon Musk

2777
02:32:45.040 --> 02:32:49.040
<v Speaker 3>in charge of government waste and things like that, I

2778
02:32:49.239 --> 02:32:52.840
<v Speaker 3>would make this suggestion that his first move ought to

2779
02:32:52.879 --> 02:32:56.319
<v Speaker 3>be to go to ram Paul and go, hey, he

2780
02:32:56.399 --> 02:33:01.360
<v Speaker 3>always wanted to audit the FED now as I would

2781
02:33:01.559 --> 02:33:04.760
<v Speaker 3>love to see that happen. Well. Of anything that comes

2782
02:33:04.799 --> 02:33:06.879
<v Speaker 3>out of this, that could be the best result to me.

2783
02:33:08.079 --> 02:33:12.319
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you what, if he does that if he

2784
02:33:12.479 --> 02:33:15.760
<v Speaker 2>actually does that and then you know, follows through on

2785
02:33:15.840 --> 02:33:17.639
<v Speaker 2>the other things. I think tomorrow they're going to have

2786
02:33:17.639 --> 02:33:21.319
<v Speaker 2>a discussion on a live podcast somewhere. Is Trump going

2787
02:33:21.360 --> 02:33:24.159
<v Speaker 2>to follow through on releasing the JFK files. I'll tell

2788
02:33:24.159 --> 02:33:28.159
<v Speaker 2>you what, if he actually does the right thing with

2789
02:33:28.239 --> 02:33:33.680
<v Speaker 2>the JFK files and turns around and has an audit

2790
02:33:33.799 --> 02:33:37.239
<v Speaker 2>of the FED, and I mean a real one, I'll

2791
02:33:37.319 --> 02:33:38.959
<v Speaker 2>change my position on Trump.

2792
02:33:40.600 --> 02:33:42.799
<v Speaker 1>Entirely and tell you that.

2793
02:33:42.799 --> 02:33:44.799
<v Speaker 3>I think it's possible it could happen. Now.

2794
02:33:44.959 --> 02:33:47.239
<v Speaker 4>I mean, how long has Ran Paul been calling for.

2795
02:33:51.239 --> 02:33:51.280
<v Speaker 3>It?

2796
02:33:51.399 --> 02:33:53.479
<v Speaker 2>Depends on how you want to look at it. Yeah,

2797
02:33:53.520 --> 02:33:55.079
<v Speaker 2>because his father called for.

2798
02:33:55.200 --> 02:33:56.639
<v Speaker 1>It for a long time.

2799
02:33:57.879 --> 02:34:01.239
<v Speaker 3>Oh absolutely, So you know this might be if it's

2800
02:34:01.280 --> 02:34:04.520
<v Speaker 3>a perfect storm and everything falls into place. They've got

2801
02:34:04.600 --> 02:34:07.520
<v Speaker 3>the Senate, they've got the Congress, they can get something passed.

2802
02:34:08.120 --> 02:34:11.200
<v Speaker 3>They could get some legislation in there. You might see

2803
02:34:11.319 --> 02:34:16.719
<v Speaker 3>the FED being audited out of all this. Unless somebody

2804
02:34:16.879 --> 02:34:22.479
<v Speaker 3>is holding a note that could affect Trump in his businesses.

2805
02:34:22.879 --> 02:34:24.840
<v Speaker 4>Well that would be the only way they could keep.

2806
02:34:24.760 --> 02:34:25.479
<v Speaker 13>It from happening.

2807
02:34:25.840 --> 02:34:29.200
<v Speaker 4>But now on the JFK files, the minute.

2808
02:34:29.280 --> 02:34:32.840
<v Speaker 3>If Trump wins this thing, his supporters need to start

2809
02:34:32.920 --> 02:34:36.680
<v Speaker 3>making that demand and hold his feet to the fire.

2810
02:34:36.760 --> 02:34:38.040
<v Speaker 4>Said you said you were going to do it the

2811
02:34:38.079 --> 02:34:40.440
<v Speaker 4>first time, you just do you backed out on it?

2812
02:34:41.239 --> 02:34:44.639
<v Speaker 3>Now do it? Put up or shut up. And it

2813
02:34:44.719 --> 02:34:47.040
<v Speaker 3>could really make for a long four years from him

2814
02:34:47.079 --> 02:34:50.520
<v Speaker 3>and if he doesn't do it, But there's a chance

2815
02:34:50.639 --> 02:34:54.680
<v Speaker 3>for a huge change in things depending on how the

2816
02:34:54.799 --> 02:34:58.600
<v Speaker 3>house goes so in two years, you know, usually the

2817
02:34:58.760 --> 02:35:05.479
<v Speaker 3>following midterm, after an incumbent comes in, things swapped whatever

2818
02:35:05.600 --> 02:35:08.000
<v Speaker 3>he had in control of when he came in and

2819
02:35:08.159 --> 02:35:10.719
<v Speaker 3>had swaps to the other party. We see it happen

2820
02:35:10.760 --> 02:35:12.959
<v Speaker 3>a lot in the midterms, and it's usually right after

2821
02:35:13.200 --> 02:35:16.040
<v Speaker 3>the guy comes in. So I don't know, we'll see.

2822
02:35:16.600 --> 02:35:20.559
<v Speaker 3>This is going to be very interesting and hopefully we'll

2823
02:35:20.639 --> 02:35:25.719
<v Speaker 3>learn something within the week after Tuesday's if he's got

2824
02:35:25.799 --> 02:35:29.520
<v Speaker 3>to pick enough lead. And based on Napoland, so many

2825
02:35:29.559 --> 02:35:32.920
<v Speaker 3>people had indicated that it could happen that he wins

2826
02:35:33.000 --> 02:35:35.079
<v Speaker 3>by enough of a margin that we're not sitting here

2827
02:35:35.159 --> 02:35:38.520
<v Speaker 3>dicking around until December to figure out who actually won. Well,

2828
02:35:38.639 --> 02:35:43.079
<v Speaker 3>I could be solid enough that we know the answer

2829
02:35:43.159 --> 02:35:44.079
<v Speaker 3>by the end of the week.

2830
02:35:44.879 --> 02:35:49.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, the way I see it is, I doubt he's

2831
02:35:49.360 --> 02:35:51.559
<v Speaker 1>going to no matter what his supporters.

2832
02:35:51.120 --> 02:35:53.719
<v Speaker 2>Say, no matter what anybody tries to hold his speak

2833
02:35:53.760 --> 02:35:55.040
<v Speaker 2>to the fire, et cetera, et cetera.

2834
02:35:55.079 --> 02:35:58.200
<v Speaker 1>If he gets in there, I doubt we're going to

2835
02:35:58.280 --> 02:36:00.959
<v Speaker 1>see any of these things actually happen.

2836
02:36:01.159 --> 02:36:03.920
<v Speaker 2>I think it'll just be the agenda that he I

2837
02:36:04.040 --> 02:36:06.360
<v Speaker 2>think he's got an agenda in mind, and it's got

2838
02:36:06.440 --> 02:36:08.920
<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with, you know, the games that we

2839
02:36:09.079 --> 02:36:12.600
<v Speaker 2>played here with the public displays. I think, just like

2840
02:36:12.719 --> 02:36:15.639
<v Speaker 2>any other politician, he's gonna, you know, be full of

2841
02:36:15.680 --> 02:36:17.639
<v Speaker 2>crap when it comes to a lot of his promises,

2842
02:36:18.200 --> 02:36:21.840
<v Speaker 2>just like everybody else. This is normal, and then we're

2843
02:36:21.840 --> 02:36:23.879
<v Speaker 2>going to go to the abnormal where Trump is going

2844
02:36:23.959 --> 02:36:27.479
<v Speaker 2>to do stuff that is not normal. And I just

2845
02:36:27.639 --> 02:36:29.879
<v Speaker 2>hope that we do actually benefit from it.

2846
02:36:30.079 --> 02:36:31.479
<v Speaker 4>But I don't know.

2847
02:36:31.840 --> 02:36:33.719
<v Speaker 3>I think the pressure is going to be put on

2848
02:36:33.840 --> 02:36:35.520
<v Speaker 3>him to release the JFKA files.

2849
02:36:36.120 --> 02:36:38.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well it should have been on him already, but

2850
02:36:39.040 --> 02:36:42.440
<v Speaker 2>they don't pressure him. His supporters don't follow through on

2851
02:36:42.559 --> 02:36:43.040
<v Speaker 2>the pressure.

2852
02:36:43.799 --> 02:36:46.719
<v Speaker 1>So it is what it is. And I think we're

2853
02:36:46.719 --> 02:36:48.680
<v Speaker 1>going to get what we're going to get, and I

2854
02:36:48.920 --> 02:36:49.600
<v Speaker 1>just hope.

2855
02:36:49.399 --> 02:36:52.719
<v Speaker 2>That we can get to the mid terms without you know,

2856
02:36:53.120 --> 02:36:56.799
<v Speaker 2>the country imploding on itself. But you know what, audit

2857
02:36:56.879 --> 02:36:59.200
<v Speaker 2>the FED release the JFK files. I will have a

2858
02:36:59.239 --> 02:37:01.040
<v Speaker 2>completely different attitude about this guy.

2859
02:37:02.239 --> 02:37:02.959
<v Speaker 1>I really will.

2860
02:37:03.840 --> 02:37:05.639
<v Speaker 2>That's why I doubt it's going to happen at all.

2861
02:37:06.600 --> 02:37:08.879
<v Speaker 2>But I guess we'll all have to stay tuned and

2862
02:37:09.079 --> 02:37:14.000
<v Speaker 2>hope that all hell doesn't break loose. You know, on

2863
02:37:14.120 --> 02:37:14.959
<v Speaker 2>the overnight too.

2864
02:37:15.440 --> 02:37:20.680
<v Speaker 3>He's got Tulsi on his team now. Who never knows,

2865
02:37:20.760 --> 02:37:22.680
<v Speaker 3>she might be able to talk him into it. I

2866
02:37:22.920 --> 02:37:24.719
<v Speaker 3>think that's one of the greatest things come out of

2867
02:37:24.760 --> 02:37:27.840
<v Speaker 3>this whole thing. This year's Toulsy Gavin finally became a Republican.

2868
02:37:28.200 --> 02:37:28.840
<v Speaker 1>I think it was just.

2869
02:37:28.840 --> 02:37:29.559
<v Speaker 3>Amount of time.

2870
02:37:30.479 --> 02:37:32.639
<v Speaker 1>Do you just have the hots for Tulsi? Is that

2871
02:37:32.799 --> 02:37:35.040
<v Speaker 1>what you need to tell us is that where it's at?

2872
02:37:35.200 --> 02:37:35.239
<v Speaker 2>No.

2873
02:37:36.200 --> 02:37:37.399
<v Speaker 4>I said that from day one.

2874
02:37:37.479 --> 02:37:39.280
<v Speaker 3>You got to see that girl in the damn bikini.

2875
02:37:39.879 --> 02:37:43.959
<v Speaker 3>Excuse me, woman, you know, let's give her some respects.

2876
02:37:44.000 --> 02:37:47.760
<v Speaker 3>He is an officer in the National Guard. Wow, Cort

2877
02:37:48.280 --> 02:37:49.040
<v Speaker 3>has served well.

2878
02:37:49.239 --> 02:37:53.000
<v Speaker 4>But you know, you got to admit hell a lot

2879
02:37:53.040 --> 02:37:54.000
<v Speaker 4>better looking at Hillary.

2880
02:37:55.760 --> 02:38:01.719
<v Speaker 1>Well that's a low bar, Oh my god.

2881
02:38:02.959 --> 02:38:04.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, But which would you rather look at for the

2882
02:38:04.799 --> 02:38:08.360
<v Speaker 3>next four years? Jillry in the background running her mouth

2883
02:38:08.440 --> 02:38:11.799
<v Speaker 3>or someone that votes for Gavin. See, when I told you,

2884
02:38:12.360 --> 02:38:14.639
<v Speaker 3>I told you i'd vote for her, you didn't. You

2885
02:38:14.680 --> 02:38:15.639
<v Speaker 3>didn't think. I don't think you.

2886
02:38:15.719 --> 02:38:16.639
<v Speaker 4>Thought I was serious.

2887
02:38:16.799 --> 02:38:20.040
<v Speaker 3>But when I thought she's a Democrat, I could vote

2888
02:38:20.040 --> 02:38:23.920
<v Speaker 3>for she's enough to the center. She served in the military,

2889
02:38:24.280 --> 02:38:29.840
<v Speaker 3>she's not an airhead. She definitely knows her business. And

2890
02:38:30.000 --> 02:38:32.239
<v Speaker 3>I was serious about it when I said i'd vote

2891
02:38:32.280 --> 02:38:34.239
<v Speaker 3>for it. And I think you didn't think I was

2892
02:38:35.520 --> 02:38:38.239
<v Speaker 3>all game. And all it took was one year. No,

2893
02:38:38.399 --> 02:38:39.639
<v Speaker 3>I believe it came around.

2894
02:38:39.920 --> 02:38:42.200
<v Speaker 2>Listen, I believe you could vote for her, though I

2895
02:38:42.280 --> 02:38:44.440
<v Speaker 2>did believe that. You know why, because I didn't believe

2896
02:38:44.559 --> 02:38:48.200
<v Speaker 2>her being a Democrat. I didn't believe her being I

2897
02:38:48.639 --> 02:38:51.760
<v Speaker 2>knew where she stood. She belongs on the GOP side.

2898
02:38:52.000 --> 02:38:54.840
<v Speaker 2>She always did, no matter how she tried to pump

2899
02:38:54.920 --> 02:38:58.239
<v Speaker 2>things out in the public, she belonged on the GOP side.

2900
02:38:58.399 --> 02:39:00.479
<v Speaker 2>That was the problem in my mind. It's like you're

2901
02:39:00.479 --> 02:39:04.440
<v Speaker 2>trying to pretend that you belong with these, with the

2902
02:39:04.719 --> 02:39:06.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, with with with the Democrats.

2903
02:39:06.559 --> 02:39:10.079
<v Speaker 1>You don't. So No, I believe she could have.

2904
02:39:10.159 --> 02:39:13.079
<v Speaker 9>Stayed a Democrat. I think she's like RFK. I think

2905
02:39:13.120 --> 02:39:15.399
<v Speaker 9>she could have stayed a Democrat. The party had gone

2906
02:39:15.440 --> 02:39:17.680
<v Speaker 9>away from her. Yeah, but that is because one of

2907
02:39:17.719 --> 02:39:19.680
<v Speaker 9>these people I think that really believed in it. When

2908
02:39:19.760 --> 02:39:24.399
<v Speaker 9>she was in office, she was a Democrat, but she

2909
02:39:24.680 --> 02:39:26.520
<v Speaker 9>was more of a centrist.

2910
02:39:26.120 --> 02:39:28.079
<v Speaker 3>Than anything else. It's like I said, you know, a

2911
02:39:28.120 --> 02:39:30.639
<v Speaker 3>couple of weeks ago, the majority of the countries in

2912
02:39:30.719 --> 02:39:33.760
<v Speaker 3>the middle, they're not only on those extreme rights, they're

2913
02:39:33.799 --> 02:39:37.360
<v Speaker 3>not only extreme left. They're pretty much middle of the road. Yeah,

2914
02:39:37.399 --> 02:39:39.399
<v Speaker 3>but just encompassed a lot of that.

2915
02:39:39.719 --> 02:39:40.000
<v Speaker 1>All right.

2916
02:39:40.079 --> 02:39:43.200
<v Speaker 3>We thought, you know, you kicked the wrong party, lady,

2917
02:39:43.319 --> 02:39:47.479
<v Speaker 3>and now she's buying me seeing the life anything, I

2918
02:39:47.600 --> 02:39:51.600
<v Speaker 3>am pleased regardless of how this what the outcome of

2919
02:39:51.639 --> 02:39:55.159
<v Speaker 3>this election is, Chelsey Gabbert is finally a republic.

2920
02:39:54.920 --> 02:39:57.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, fine, because that's where she belongs.

2921
02:39:57.319 --> 02:40:00.360
<v Speaker 2>RFK doesn't belong with the Democratic Party either, That's why

2922
02:40:00.440 --> 02:40:03.520
<v Speaker 2>they've rejected him. Whether they are the nut the nut

2923
02:40:03.600 --> 02:40:07.680
<v Speaker 2>jobs and the same Democrats all reject RFK Junior because.

2924
02:40:07.479 --> 02:40:08.440
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't belong there.

2925
02:40:09.079 --> 02:40:11.959
<v Speaker 2>And I actually like a lot of what RFK Junior's

2926
02:40:12.000 --> 02:40:16.280
<v Speaker 2>positions are, but he doesn't belong with the Democrats either.

2927
02:40:16.719 --> 02:40:19.760
<v Speaker 2>So totally not surprised that both of those people are

2928
02:40:19.840 --> 02:40:25.520
<v Speaker 2>now on the Trump train. That's right, Willhelm. Anyways, guess

2929
02:40:25.600 --> 02:40:29.079
<v Speaker 2>what we're all done this week? And I want you

2930
02:40:29.200 --> 02:40:31.680
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2931
02:40:31.799 --> 02:40:34.559
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2932
02:40:34.639 --> 02:40:37.040
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2933
02:40:37.159 --> 02:40:42.000
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2934
02:40:42.319 --> 02:40:47.479
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2935
02:40:47.559 --> 02:40:50.719
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2936
02:40:50.799 --> 02:40:52.719
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2937
02:40:53.239 --> 02:40:55.719
<v Speaker 1>I will be the MC in person and it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, We're done with the broadcast week and I hope

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<v Speaker 2>to do some serious damage next week with the guests

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<v Speaker 2>I've got.

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<v Speaker 1>Lined up and the plans.

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<v Speaker 2>Larry Hancock will return and we might have a slightly

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<v Speaker 2>controversial show with the guy that Jimmy James calls Professor Hancock.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks to Jimmy for calling in and also being the

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<v Speaker 2>executive producer of tonight's show. Jimmy James, and to all

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<v Speaker 2>of you, thank you for being the effect, because I

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<v Speaker 2>am merely o'celly, and all of you are the effect.