Speaker 1: Get ready for.
Speaker 2: November one, twenty twenty four, allegedly according to that thing
Speaker 2: we call a calendar, or November first, if you like
Speaker 2: to say it that way. This is a Friday night
Speaker 2: on the Ocelli Effect. And it's a little bit after
Speaker 2: eight pm Eastern. Looks like it's about almost nine minutes
Speaker 2: past the hour of the of eight pm in what
Speaker 2: we used to call America in the Eastern time zone.
Speaker 2: But whoever you are, wherever you are, your experience could vary. Anyhow,
Speaker 2: Hopefully we'll have people joining us. Doesn't look like a
Speaker 2: lot of people are listening to the stream yet have
Speaker 2: gone into the chat room, etc. Makes you wonder what
Speaker 2: else it is I need to eliminate here, because I'm
Speaker 2: going to start eliminating some of the things that you
Speaker 2: guys are not utilizing. The chat room I keep just
Speaker 2: for that handful of people that go in there and
Speaker 2: live chat.
Speaker 1: But you know, do I need it? Do I need that?
Speaker 2: Do I need to even live broadcast anymore? Well, this
Speaker 2: show doesn't exist without live broadcast. And you calling in
Speaker 2: at three one nine, five, two seven, five zero one
Speaker 2: six three one nine five two seven five zero one
Speaker 2: six And just for the record, we are exactly three
Speaker 2: weeks away from when I'm going to Dallas, so I'll
Speaker 2: be off for about a week there and be there
Speaker 2: on the weekend of the twenty second of the twenty
Speaker 2: fourth uh as the MC for the Lancer conference. But uh,
Speaker 2: and when I returned from there, I'm really hoping that
Speaker 2: we're going to have a much more steady flow of
Speaker 2: guess and maybe a bit more consistency on the internet,
Speaker 2: because despite the fact that I pay one of the
Speaker 2: most ridiculous internet bills that I can even imagine or conjure,
Speaker 2: guess what, my internet has been down.
Speaker 1: A lot lately.
Speaker 2: We lost it for fourteen hours, we lost it for
Speaker 2: nine hours, we lost it for and there's been outages
Speaker 2: in the area, which is weird. Here also did not
Speaker 2: hear extra outside of the original one, two, three, four
Speaker 2: people had problems with their payroll recently, All simultaneously. Somebody's
Speaker 2: payroll got jacked up, and there's different explanations for it everywhere,
Speaker 2: but payroll checks were delayed for a short time period.
Speaker 2: There seems like that trend might have ended, or I'm
Speaker 2: just lucky enough to know four people at the very
Speaker 2: same time who are not connected to each other. In
Speaker 2: any way, shape or form that coincidentally experienced a problem
Speaker 2: with their payroll. How about this, though, I want to
Speaker 2: hear if you guys are experiencing outages with your internet?
Speaker 1: Is that going on?
Speaker 2: You know, it happened a few times on the overnight,
Speaker 2: which I thought was strategic and might be a time
Speaker 2: when they do occasionally do maintenance, take it offline for
Speaker 2: a couple hours, etc.
Speaker 1: Etc.
Speaker 2: But it's getting weird out, folks. I'm really seeing coordination
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. Hey, speaking of coordination and
Speaker 2: things that rhyme with it, how about the contest for
Speaker 2: the executive branch and the nation.
Speaker 1: The heart of the nation, the soul of it all?
Speaker 2: And Trump in a garbage truck this week with his
Speaker 2: logo on the side of not kidding a garbage truck?
Speaker 1: Was that this week or last? You know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm getting all mixed up here between Internet outages and
Speaker 2: the weirdness of it all.
Speaker 1: Why did he do that?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because Biden said something about Trump's supporters being garbage.
Speaker 2: What is he even talking about, by the way, and
Speaker 2: why is anybody even bothering to pay attention? Really, don't
Speaker 2: you just kind of I don't know, quietly dismiss Grandpa
Speaker 2: after a while when he's gone over to the other
Speaker 2: side of reality.
Speaker 1: Isn't that usually what happens?
Speaker 2: I mean, just wait for him to make his way
Speaker 2: out of the house and to the home.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe it's just me.
Speaker 2: And isn't it strange that the campaign commercials are getting weirder,
Speaker 2: rhetoric getting harsher, rallies are happening, and oh, by the way,
Speaker 2: it should all be over this coming Tuesday, but I
Speaker 2: doubt it will be. Everybody seems to agree with one thing,
Speaker 2: even though we're going to finish up with this selection
Speaker 2: on Tuesday night sometime probably early in the morning, and
Speaker 2: they're already telling us exactly what percentage of results can
Speaker 2: be reported by what time of day, so that people
Speaker 2: can get this straight and realize that even though the
Speaker 2: TV tells you something, projects the winners and all of
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean they have all the data, access to
Speaker 2: the votes, or any idea what's going on. With the
Speaker 2: exception of a very small fraction, they take samples of
Speaker 2: the voters and figure out how they voted. Speaking of samples,
Speaker 2: B Pete might want to talk to us, and I'm
Speaker 2: going to talk to be pete even if you guys
Speaker 2: don't call in about samples and hey, what's going on
Speaker 2: with this polling data which has it set at neck
Speaker 2: and neck Kamala and the fever dream of those that
Speaker 2: believe God has sent us the orange savior that versus
Speaker 2: that Trump versus the communist, which kind of sounds like
Speaker 2: Kamala communist, you know, almost works. But also blame her
Speaker 2: for Joe Biden. She let it happen, she was there,
Speaker 2: she could have spoke up, and she agrees with him anyway,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't change a thing that Joe Biden did.
Speaker 1: Well, that's stupid.
Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, the campaign commercial that's out
Speaker 2: there that basically says Kamala wants to give people who
Speaker 2: are incarcerated sex change operations? Indeed, that's out there. It's
Speaker 2: a real thing. Who's crazier? Who's worse for the nation?
Speaker 2: Which is the lesser of two evils?
Speaker 1: Are you staying tuned? Do you care?
Speaker 2: Or are you exhausted? You want to talk about something else.
Speaker 2: You want to tell me what happened the last time
Speaker 2: you bought a jar of peanut butter and it sucked?
Speaker 2: You want to tell me about the shrink flation when
Speaker 2: you tried to buy devil Dogs. The lines are open
Speaker 2: three one nine, five two seven five zero one six.
Speaker 2: That's the number to call. Three one nine, five two
Speaker 2: seven five zero one six. And oh, by the way,
Speaker 2: you could message me on Skype. I'll try to join
Speaker 2: you in. And I have a co host and hopefully
Speaker 2: he's gonna help me through this week a lot, because
Speaker 2: what was it last week? We had rotating coos. I
Speaker 2: had to squeeze four people into that slot for either
Speaker 2: a few minutes or a half hour at a time.
Speaker 2: We had let's see, let's think about this regular Joe
Speaker 2: Captain trips Jimmy James. And then at the tail end
Speaker 2: of the show, B Pete rejoined us co hosts across
Speaker 2: the board last time. But this time I got the
Speaker 2: man who's been doing this with me for a few years,
Speaker 2: and I want to check in with him right now.
Speaker 1: How you doing, Bpete? What's on your mind this week?
Speaker 2: And I don't know, I probably didn't do the headlines
Speaker 2: justice at all, but I tried.
Speaker 1: What's on your mind? What do you think we should
Speaker 1: be talking about? How are you?
Speaker 3: I'm doing good? It seems like we're getting another blast
Speaker 3: of summer here. We've had these unusually film temperatures for
Speaker 3: this time of year. But it's been very, very enjoyable
Speaker 3: and other than battling the flu here for about four
Speaker 3: days five days, but.
Speaker 4: It's been pretty good.
Speaker 3: But the headlines and i'll tell you what, they're all
Speaker 3: over the place. Oh, I'm just scanning one site right now.
Speaker 3: Just look at it. Headlines and what's going on wrong.
Speaker 3: Really kind of amazing how chaotic things have gotten here
Speaker 3: in the past same year, all over the place.
Speaker 4: But you know, the big thing here is the election.
Speaker 3: They're running stories where first of the week, Commona started
Speaker 3: pulling their ad money out of this state the minute
Speaker 3: that this state was called in favor of one person
Speaker 3: outside of the margin of error, they pulled ads. They
Speaker 3: pulled a lot of their money out. But you've got
Speaker 3: dnc AD money that's coming in and helping to fill
Speaker 3: some of the gaps because it's still NonStop political ads
Speaker 3: day and night. But I did see something on Sunday
Speaker 3: that really really surprised him. Was a Sunday No, it
Speaker 3: was Tuesday, battling the flu. I was up with a
Speaker 3: fever and it was three o'clock in the morning, and
Speaker 3: I turned on CBS and I saw an ad dealing
Speaker 3: with abortion, which was very graphic, and I didn't see
Speaker 3: the beginning of the ad. When I cut on the TV,
Speaker 3: the ad had just started and they've got text running
Speaker 3: and a voiceover and picked of aborted fetuses in this,
Speaker 3: and I'm thinking, what the hell? So I hit the
Speaker 3: channel identifier and it showed I was on the seat
Speaker 3: of my local CBS station. And at the very end
Speaker 3: of the ad comes a disclaimer on the screen that says,
Speaker 3: CBS is required to show this advertisement because of law
Speaker 3: such and such, such and such on political advertising. We
Speaker 3: do not agree with this. And apparently I didn't know
Speaker 3: it until I saw the ad again, like three o'clock
Speaker 3: in the morning. Every round, you're going to see the
Speaker 3: same commercial for probably two hours. They put a disclaimer
Speaker 3: before the ad saying that they're forced to put this
Speaker 3: on because it's political speech.
Speaker 2: And now see I I saw that ad, and I
Speaker 2: didn't catch one at the end because I wasn't watching CB.
Speaker 2: It was CBS that said at the end, also, is
Speaker 2: that right?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: This yeah, CBS station. But I looked for it online.
Speaker 3: I did a search on I thought I can't believe this,
Speaker 3: So I immediately want to get my computer on. I
Speaker 3: go and search ABC was running it. They put the
Speaker 3: same disclaimer up before and after the ad.
Speaker 1: Uh, well, I don't know where it is.
Speaker 3: It's amazing, it's you know, when have you ever seen
Speaker 3: a TV station since the rules changed on Equal Access?
Speaker 4: I've never seen those TV.
Speaker 3: Station put up a disclaimer before political ad before. Well,
Speaker 3: I guess it was because of the images that were
Speaker 3: being shown and wanted to disassociate themselves from it. But
Speaker 3: I have to admit the guy I forget even who
Speaker 3: the character was that ranted.
Speaker 4: It's the.
Speaker 3: I'll have to look at up. Let me find the
Speaker 3: guy's name. Is one of the smaller parties.
Speaker 1: Well, you go ahead and look that up.
Speaker 2: But I gotta tell you it's some pack that's out
Speaker 2: there pushing the Hey, you don't want abortion.
Speaker 1: To come back basically, you know, and you want it.
Speaker 2: To be as restrictive as it is wherever you are,
Speaker 2: and it should go away because and then they show
Speaker 2: to horrible images which reminds me of the picket signs
Speaker 2: that people used to go out with, you know, with
Speaker 2: the giant pictures of like mangled fetuses that they would
Speaker 2: have outside of the clinics. It's that kind of thing. Now,
Speaker 2: where I saw it, there was no post ad disclaimer
Speaker 2: where I saw it, But everywhere consistently, I'm told, and
Speaker 2: it said to me on.
Speaker 1: Some article I read about it, that everywhere.
Speaker 2: There is a disclaimer that runs before the ad, and
Speaker 2: the reason why is supposedly because the images are horrific.
Speaker 2: They don't want to restrict it because then they're being
Speaker 2: told they're restricting, you know, free speech on somebody's.
Speaker 1: Behalf or whatever. But I was struck by the.
Speaker 2: Same part of the disclaimer that sounded to me like
Speaker 2: we have to run this because it's a political ad,
Speaker 2: and I that to myself, Well, the fairness doctrine has
Speaker 2: been gone since what the nineteen seventies, right, I think.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, yeah, like I think though, but that was
Speaker 3: part of the deal when they got rid of it.
Speaker 3: It required let's say I'm a local station, I've got
Speaker 3: thirty minutes I got to fill on a Saturday afternoon
Speaker 3: before the Big Gate, Okay. Or let's say I'm a
Speaker 3: local affiliate and I'm not carrying the local NFL game
Speaker 3: on Sunday because they didn't sell out, So the blackout
Speaker 3: is in effect for the local viewing area, and I
Speaker 3: got to fill it. Well, today's standard is the newest
Speaker 3: vacuum that's come out, or the newest gadget that's come out,
Speaker 3: or flex seal has a new product, So you get
Speaker 3: a thirty minute infomercial. That was the big filler at
Speaker 3: one time. Well a lot of times back then, you
Speaker 3: would have local stations prit on political people doing an interview,
Speaker 3: so the other party, by law, had to be given
Speaker 3: that same amount of time. And you started seeing those
Speaker 3: programs go away because station's decided they wanted to pick sides,
Speaker 3: but they couldn't legally when it came to something like that.
Speaker 3: So when it went to court and they did away
Speaker 3: with it, one of the things that remained was these
Speaker 3: broadcast stations cannot turned down the political advertising. They have
Speaker 3: to accept it, and that's why you see so much
Speaker 3: of it. Well, here's they got to take the ads
Speaker 3: and if the ad buyer buys every consecutive commercial slot
Speaker 3: for the next three hours, you're going to see their
Speaker 3: commercials for the next three hours.
Speaker 1: Right now.
Speaker 3: This guy I found it here, Randall Terry with the
Speaker 3: Constitution Party. He's been a long time anti abortion guy.
Speaker 3: So you know, he's tried to put some of these
Speaker 3: ads out before. I don't think he had the money
Speaker 3: to produce them like we see to.
Speaker 4: Day, but it it startled me when I saw it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought, you know, I'm not I'm almost seventy
Speaker 3: years old. I've not seen anything like this on TV
Speaker 3: and I've seen a lot of crap. No, you really
Speaker 3: stood me back to think that we've gotten to that
Speaker 3: point that you have to show it at three o'clock
Speaker 3: in the morning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, but.
Speaker 2: It's not just at three o'clock in the morning, and
Speaker 2: that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: Well, no, it's not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that kind was shown during Jimmy Kim Alive on.
Speaker 1: ABC right now.
Speaker 2: That kind of thing only used to be able to
Speaker 2: make it through on broadcast TV on guess where, PBS
Speaker 2: right where they could show you stuff that was a
Speaker 2: bit more gruesome, et cetera, blah blah blah because it
Speaker 2: was educational. Even when I was a little kid, I
Speaker 2: remember that open heart surgeries were literally shown on PBS,
Speaker 2: right Like, that was the first place I ever saw
Speaker 2: a guy's heart beating because he had an open chest
Speaker 2: during surgery.
Speaker 3: And I remember this, it's back that was back when was
Speaker 3: it baky? Was it the guy that did the surgery
Speaker 3: or he was the patient or something? I remember seeing
Speaker 3: those episodes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't remember all that.
Speaker 2: I think it was an episode of Nova where I
Speaker 2: first saw that, right, like Nova would show a documentary
Speaker 2: and you know you've seen the JFK Nova thing from.
Speaker 1: Eighty eight and all that.
Speaker 2: Here, let me get a little bit of actual history,
Speaker 2: because I was wrong to say that the fairness doctrine
Speaker 2: went away in the seventies. I was incorrect, So I'd
Speaker 2: like to correct it. And for this my source is
Speaker 2: the Encyclopedia Britannica. Okay, fairness doctrine in the US all
Speaker 2: Right Communications Policy nineteen forty nine, it was instituted, and
Speaker 2: it was removed finally in nineteen eighty seven BPTE. Okay,
Speaker 2: So yeah, and it's there's a whole thing on it
Speaker 2: in the Reagan Library too. But let's look at the
Speaker 2: Encyclopedia Britannica to define it and see what happened afterwards,
Speaker 2: because apparently they talk about provisions, you know, during and
Speaker 2: after anyway. Communications Commission the FCC required licensed radio and
Speaker 2: television broadcasters to present fair and balanced coverage of controversial
Speaker 2: issues of interest to their communities, including by granting equal
Speaker 2: airtime to opposing candidates for public office. Now, let me
Speaker 2: pause there and tell you that this came up when
Speaker 2: I had John Barbera on the show many times, right,
Speaker 2: Why because he noted that if he had the Republican
Speaker 2: candidate on for governor in California when he was broadcasting
Speaker 2: in California, he would also have to have anybody else
Speaker 2: on to talk who made it onto the ballot. And indeed,
Speaker 2: in those days, that included if there was a guy
Speaker 2: from the Nazi Party who gathered enough signatures, he had
Speaker 2: to allow a Nazi to come on his show and
Speaker 2: give their viewpoints. Here, you know, with the National Socialist Party,
Speaker 2: this is what I'd like to implement as governor of California.
Speaker 1: He would have to allow that by law. Indeed, you know,
Speaker 1: that was part of what it is.
Speaker 2: Garrison won his arguments for when they gave him equal
Speaker 2: time over a controversial issue of public interest, and they
Speaker 2: allowed him to respond to NBC's White Paper show, right,
Speaker 2: and they gave him so you know all about that, Okay.
Speaker 2: The origins of the Fairness doctric lay in the Radio
Speaker 2: Act of nineteen twenty seven, which limited radio broadcasting the
Speaker 2: license broadcasters but mandated that the licenses serve the public interest.
Speaker 2: The Federal Communications Act of nineteen thirty four supplanted the
Speaker 2: Radio Act and created the FCC, the chief regulatory body
Speaker 2: covering the US airwaves, with a mission to quote encouraged
Speaker 2: the larger and more effective use of in the public
Speaker 2: interest end quote. In nineteen forty nine, the Commission promulgated
Speaker 2: a report in the Matter of Editorializing by Broadcast Licenses
Speaker 2: that interpreted the public interest provisions of the Radio Act
Speaker 2: and the Communications Act as a mandate to promote a
Speaker 2: basic standard of fairness. That's in quotes, a basic standard
Speaker 2: of fairness end quote. In broadcasting licensees had the duty
Speaker 2: to devote airtime to fair and balanced coverage of controversial
Speaker 2: issues that were of interest to their home communities. Individuals
Speaker 2: who were the subject of editorials or who perceived themselves
Speaker 2: to be the subject of unfair tax in news programming
Speaker 2: were to be granted an opportunity to reply. See that's
Speaker 2: the part that applied to Garrison. Also, candidates for public
Speaker 2: office were entitled to equal airtime. In nineteen fifty nine,
Speaker 2: a portion of the of Fairness Doctrine became US law
Speaker 2: when Congress amended the Communications Act with the doctrine's mandate
Speaker 2: of equal airtime for office seekers. The revised law recognized,
Speaker 2: see there was another there was a law created. The
Speaker 2: revised law recognized some exceptions to the equal airtime mandate,
Speaker 2: but held that such exceptions did not annul licenses licensees
Speaker 2: excuse me, obligation to provide equal airtime and balanced coverage
Speaker 2: of quote conflicting views on issues of public interest. Now
Speaker 2: I'm pausing from this Encyclopedia Britannica thing here to tell
Speaker 2: you this. It was also interesting to me that for
Speaker 2: many years, and for most of our lives, honestly, you know,
Speaker 2: from this nineteen eighty seven ending of the fairness Doctrine,
Speaker 2: there's still this requirement to serve the public interest, right
Speaker 2: which broadcast radio stations and TV stations used to devote
Speaker 2: some amount of airtime to these really ridiculous kind of
Speaker 2: like you know, five people want to see it. You know,
Speaker 2: TV shows that would discuss say, local issues or things
Speaker 2: that were of direct interest to the broadcast area. And
Speaker 2: you would see these things like Sunday Morning before they
Speaker 2: started running the church shows. Stuff like that or you'd
Speaker 2: see them late at night right before you know they
Speaker 2: went to the flag and played the national anthem and
Speaker 2: went off air TV stations they would play a program
Speaker 2: where people would discuss stuff where they did allow these
Speaker 2: other people on the air. They allowed opposing viewpoints to
Speaker 2: show up when hardly anyone was watching. But technically speaking,
Speaker 2: you could say they devoted part of their airtime to
Speaker 2: important issues of public interest. Now that occurred, plus another
Speaker 2: thing happened. Public service announcements became sort of mandatory. You'll
Speaker 2: note that almost any licensed broadcaster always has some sort
Speaker 2: of nonprofit or you know, just a charity kind of
Speaker 2: stuff that they broadcast. You know, things that it's like, hey,
Speaker 2: look we raise money for kids, like that cars for
Speaker 2: cash stuff where they had the kids singing. It's one
Speaker 2: of the most awful, you know, recognized jingles out there.
Speaker 2: You've heard that one, right, b Pete Wood seven seven
Speaker 2: cars for kids. Okay, Well, those things end up being
Speaker 2: mandated to some degree where even if you have you know,
Speaker 2: a multi billion dollar you know, you got a huge
Speaker 2: price tag for your advertising time. You know, maybe you
Speaker 2: get you know, one hundred thousand dollars for every thirty
Speaker 2: seconds you're broadcast on your on your TV station, you
Speaker 2: still would have to give it to them for a
Speaker 2: low ball, next to nothing price. So there are offers
Speaker 2: out there where you can pick up, you know, bundles
Speaker 2: of these and get paid a very small token amount
Speaker 2: of money and you end up playing five or six
Speaker 2: of these commercials they give you and you have to
Speaker 2: do that. Now, that's something else you're doing in the
Speaker 2: general public interest.
Speaker 3: And that was that was something I was familiar with
Speaker 3: when I was in when I was had a college
Speaker 3: radio program. The fact that we had to run so
Speaker 3: many PSAs an hour and then of a class time
Speaker 3: yep in broadcasting was you know, commercial creation. So we
Speaker 3: had five or six different areas and one of the
Speaker 3: ones that I special specialized in was PSAs and it
Speaker 3: was basically going out there, write in the streat, find
Speaker 3: in the background of music, find a voice, actors, sit down,
Speaker 3: produce the PSA and then we would play our own
Speaker 3: PSAs over the year, right so they we would get
Speaker 3: legitimate organization is to say, hey, as part of our project,
Speaker 3: we created this, do you want us to play this
Speaker 3: and insert your local chapter.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 4: Contact.
Speaker 2: Now let's let's give her for instance here right, just
Speaker 2: to get people familiar. Indeed, I'm guessing because I know
Speaker 2: I was familiar with this. I saw it done. You know,
Speaker 2: drunk driving was a huge issue in the nineteen nineties.
Speaker 2: It was one of the big PSA issues. There were
Speaker 2: hundreds of different public service announcements out there, right, so
Speaker 2: you had, you know, and also anti drug commercials, so
Speaker 2: you know, the whole this is your brain, this is
Speaker 2: your brain on drugs. That was one of the things
Speaker 2: that was offered to people as a PSA.
Speaker 1: Also, we're going.
Speaker 2: To tell you this horrible story about this little girl
Speaker 2: who's on a bicycle and then a drunk driver mangled
Speaker 2: her and she had to live for twelve more hours
Speaker 2: with her head sept you know, severed. Whatever they tell you,
Speaker 2: a horrible story, don't drink and drive brought to you
Speaker 2: by and then it would be you know, also in
Speaker 2: favor of others against drum driving, that would be one
Speaker 2: of the organizations you would contact, even if you created
Speaker 2: the commercial, but rest assured if you go.
Speaker 3: I think that was more to be honest, based on
Speaker 3: what I'm seeing now, I almost think that when they
Speaker 3: came up with that PSA rule, it was to allow
Speaker 3: a government, the government a foot in the door if
Speaker 3: they look at COVID in these things that were being
Speaker 3: run about getting instill.
Speaker 4: You see them.
Speaker 3: I see them every morning before I go to work.
Speaker 3: Get your COVID shot. You can get your COVID shot
Speaker 3: and your flu shot at the same time. And they're
Speaker 3: backed by government health organization. Yeah, but that's it's seat
Speaker 3: belt laws. You know, when the seatbelt law came into effect,
Speaker 3: we saw a lot of that. You know, this is
Speaker 3: the image of the test, the crash test dummies flying
Speaker 3: around on the inside of the car. This is why
Speaker 3: we have seat belts. Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think that was a government's way of making sure
Speaker 3: they had a wedge they could shove into any license
Speaker 3: broadcaster that they could put their message out there and
Speaker 3: call it a public service announcement. Well.
Speaker 2: See, now some of these things are backed by government organizations, right,
Speaker 2: brought to you by the National Safety Council or whatever.
Speaker 2: And some of those things are, but others of them
Speaker 2: are nonprofit five oh one C three right uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Like I'll give you an example.
Speaker 3: We had to save the Lighthouse Foundation when they were
Speaker 3: trying to get the money up to move the Hatteras
Speaker 3: Lighthouse because the sea was encroaching on it. And that
Speaker 3: was a huge project to jack this sucker up and
Speaker 3: move it inland. It took them forever, but they did it.
Speaker 3: But when they were trying to raise money, I sat
Speaker 3: down and thought, okay, North Carolina Hatters Lighthouse.
Speaker 4: That's one of our big tourist icons.
Speaker 3: You see the marketing for the Hatters Lighthouse, you know
Speaker 3: that's North Carolina Outer Banks. So James Taylor is from
Speaker 3: North Carolina. He had a song called Whitehouse. I sat down,
Speaker 3: put down the narration, used the song in the background,
Speaker 3: explained what was trying to.
Speaker 4: You know, this thing's been around since such and such.
Speaker 3: The funds are needed to be able to protect it
Speaker 3: from the sea which is encroaching.
Speaker 4: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: Put it together, set a message to the Lighthouse Foundation
Speaker 3: and they said, yeah, run it.
Speaker 4: We ran that thing for a year.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: What's funny about that is today, if you attempted to
Speaker 2: use it, you would have to have his publisher's permission
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff to utilize his song
Speaker 2: as part of your campaign, et cetera, et cetera. You
Speaker 2: could probably get in trouble, and it would also get
Speaker 2: kicked right the hell off of YouTube.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: All of that, But that's interesting, but it's not the
Speaker 2: whole story, and it doesn't quite address what we've been
Speaker 2: through here with this abortion ad just yet. Right, let's
Speaker 2: go back to the fairness doctrine and what happened and
Speaker 2: what ends up happening when it's removed.
Speaker 1: Let's say.
Speaker 2: The fairness doctrine was never without its opponents, however, many
Speaker 2: of whom perceived the equal airtime requirement as an infringement
Speaker 2: of the right to freedom of speech enshrined in the
Speaker 2: First Amendment to the Constitution. In nineteen sixty nine, the
Speaker 2: doctrines survived the challenge in the Supreme Court case Red
Speaker 2: Lion Broadcasting Company versus Federal Communication Commission, in which the
Speaker 2: Court found that the FCC had acted within its jurisdiction
Speaker 2: in ruling that a Pennsylvania radio station had violated the
Speaker 2: fairness doctrine by denying response time to a writer who
Speaker 2: had been characterized in a broadcast as a communist sympathizer.
Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty.
Speaker 2: Five, however, the FCC decided that the doctrine had a
Speaker 2: chilling effect upon freedom of speech. At about that time,
Speaker 2: representatives of cable and satellite television networks challenged the applicability
Speaker 2: of the doctrine to their industries. In nineteen eighty seven,
Speaker 2: the FCC repealed the Fairness Doctrine, but maintained both the
Speaker 2: editorial and personal attack provisions, which remained in effect until
Speaker 2: two thousand. In addition, until they were finally repealed by
Speaker 2: the Commission in twenty eleven, more than eighty media rules
Speaker 2: maintained language that implemented the doctrine. Okay, so it continued
Speaker 2: for a while, you see what I mean. And they
Speaker 2: continued parts of it for a while. And now there
Speaker 2: are other provisions in the FCC that are not this
Speaker 2: big blanket that the fairness Doctrine was. But it still exists,
Speaker 2: right and still allows that if you have something that's
Speaker 2: applicable because it's part of the current election, it's part
Speaker 2: of things which are there for public interest to people
Speaker 2: in the broadcast area that you are meant to be serving.
Speaker 2: So you're still serving a broadcast area, You're still serving
Speaker 2: a particular audience that's supposed to have the most access
Speaker 2: to your broadcast, and because you're utilizing the airwaves which
Speaker 2: allegedly belong to the people and are therefore regulated by
Speaker 2: our government. Right, you're supposed to be serving those that
Speaker 2: you're using their airwaves in their community, Okay, And therefore,
Speaker 2: if something can be seen as serving them by informing
Speaker 2: them about an election, about a local issue, et cetera,
Speaker 2: et cetera, you're kind of in a stuck place where
Speaker 2: it's necessary to have it out there. And I don't
Speaker 2: know what they do about how much they get paid.
Speaker 2: You know, they can't force you to run, say the
Speaker 2: fetus ad during the super Bowl necessarily, but they can
Speaker 2: force you to run it at some point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, prices are set on political A friend of mine
Speaker 3: worked at a station. He said, yeah, he says, we
Speaker 3: have set rates for political ads. It's the same rate
Speaker 3: for either side. That's what we charge. The problem is
Speaker 3: when the bookers, you know, get the call from a camp,
Speaker 3: from either a campaign or a political pack. Yeah, we
Speaker 3: got one hundred thousand dollars we're gonna throw at you,
Speaker 3: all right, that gives us how many spots here's where
Speaker 3: we want them aired. Blah blah blah blah blah. Go
Speaker 3: back to your fairness. Doctor. In a side note, Another
Speaker 3: thing that was that was working on this and forcing
Speaker 3: the change too, was the rise of cable because they
Speaker 3: were not regulated. So that's where local access channels and
Speaker 3: that popped up and allowed basically specialized programming on that
Speaker 3: channel and they didn't have to provide equal time to anybody,
Speaker 3: and it was really hurting some of the broadcast competitors
Speaker 3: when it came to add money because of programming. The
Speaker 3: broadcast stations, well, the broadcast stations were under this premise,
Speaker 3: we have to come up with programming that we know
Speaker 3: is going to draw audience. We want to draw the
Speaker 3: biggest audience, and therefore, based on the audience that we have,
Speaker 3: this is what we want to charge for rates. And
Speaker 3: we're being constricted now because of this fairness doctrine where
Speaker 3: our biggest competition, cable TV, is not regulated by that.
Speaker 3: So you guys got to give us a break. And
Speaker 3: that was the force for a long time. It was
Speaker 3: all money. It all came down to revenue, and the
Speaker 3: broadcast stations felt like they were losing the opportunity to
Speaker 3: make revenue because of this equal this even Stephen, if
Speaker 3: I give this guy airtime, I got to give that
Speaker 3: guy airtime, and it didn't matter how the airtime was given.
Speaker 3: It could be mentioned in programming, it could be in advertising.
Speaker 3: They were getting it, you know, they were under the
Speaker 3: fair this doctrine not only in their advertising, but in
Speaker 3: their actual program programming. That's the sad thing about it.
Speaker 3: That's why Garrison was granted a response to an NBC program,
Speaker 3: not an ad, but an actual program that they put out.
Speaker 1: There, right, And that's really hurting, you know.
Speaker 3: It was. It was a big kinke in the networks
Speaker 3: being able to provide program that people wanted to watch.
Speaker 2: Right now, with the court case with the cable company
Speaker 2: which came in nineteen eighty five, right, the cable company said, hey,
Speaker 2: this is not fair to us because we don't just
Speaker 2: serve a broadcast area. So and they were, you know,
Speaker 2: CLAIMINGBC that, yeah, but.
Speaker 3: Not only that, it wasn't a public airwave, it was
Speaker 3: not a frequency.
Speaker 2: Well that's what I'm saying. We're not using the public airwaves.
Speaker 2: We're using a cable that we provide to somebody who
Speaker 2: pays us.
Speaker 3: Therefore, right, that was and that was their biggest I
Speaker 3: think the biggest winning argument was we are not a
Speaker 3: public entity. We don't belong to the public world, private corporation.
Speaker 1: Right, and the same thing with the Satellite US with
Speaker 1: these rules. Yeah, and the same thing with satellite at
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 2: That's my point about nineteen, but that came about in
Speaker 2: eighty five where they challenged it because the FCC just
Speaker 2: simply said, well, look, you know, we gotta run this
Speaker 2: across you guys too, because you're broadcasters. And they're like, no,
Speaker 2: we're not broadcasters. We're a different kind of delivery system,
Speaker 2: so we're not governed by this. But anyway, the thing
Speaker 2: about it is, and it gets a little confusing because
Speaker 2: in some cases cable was carrying publicly broadcast stuff, but
Speaker 2: that meant that that's a different transmission, so during that transmission,
Speaker 2: you know, and that's how they were able to come
Speaker 2: up with this whole you know how Like you see
Speaker 2: sometimes you're watching a baseball game and it's on TBS,
Speaker 2: which was a local thing, right, and they cut to
Speaker 2: a commercial and it starts for like two seconds and
Speaker 2: then goes away. It's because somebody missed their cue to
Speaker 2: overrun the commercial being broadcast, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like they're going to tell you about the local party
Speaker 2: that's going to go on in Atlanta and you're sitting
Speaker 2: there watching it in Minnesota. You don't care about that.
Speaker 2: You're not going to be able to go down to
Speaker 2: Chile's bar or whatever and.
Speaker 1: Go see this.
Speaker 2: So they stick in a national ad there because they
Speaker 2: have control over the signal, and they turn around and
Speaker 2: stick in McDonald's or whatever they want. Well, also, you
Speaker 2: don't care about the congress person running in Georgia, right,
Speaker 2: So why do you need to hear about that. You
Speaker 2: don't give a crap. Again, you're in Minnesota, you're in Arkansas,
Speaker 2: doesn't matter to you.
Speaker 3: That's what surprised me. That's what surprised me about seeing
Speaker 3: that abortion ad here is because we don't have anything,
Speaker 3: any kind of referendum or anything on the ballot here
Speaker 3: in North Carolina this year, and I thought, whoa they are?
Speaker 3: They're going for the national hit here. Really surprised well,
Speaker 3: and they's when I looked up and saw who was
Speaker 3: behind the ad. I thought, well, okay, he's Constitution Party.
Speaker 3: He is on the ballot, that's why it was run here.
Speaker 2: Well, he's on the ballot number one, number two. They
Speaker 2: can approach and say, I want to be on your
Speaker 2: national feed, and I don't think anybody's going to stop
Speaker 2: him from buying a spot on the national feed in
Speaker 2: cases especially where maybe there isn't a lot of you know, revenue,
Speaker 2: Like you probably didn't see it during the prime time
Speaker 2: biggest shows, biggest ratings grab that you know CBS has.
Speaker 2: It probably wasn't during their best TV show, right, It
Speaker 2: was probably during something that doesn't have the highest of ratings,
Speaker 2: where the ad the ad cost is lower. Would you
Speaker 2: say that is true? What what TV show was going
Speaker 2: on when you caught these?
Speaker 3: Usually it was it was with CBS Overnight News. I
Speaker 3: think it was comes on at three o'clock.
Speaker 1: Well, see there you go three am. Yeah, okay, so
Speaker 1: at three am.
Speaker 2: The ratings are not that high for live broadcasts, right.
Speaker 3: No, but on well, and it's not really all it's
Speaker 3: not really a live broadcast. What they do is whenever
Speaker 3: they do their overnight news, I think it starts at midnight,
Speaker 3: they'll do a one hour session and then it gets
Speaker 3: played around these different markets at different times.
Speaker 2: So it's a rerun of a news program that already
Speaker 2: happened again it's probably before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then they switch to another program it's CBS
Speaker 3: Overnight News, and then it's CBS some other news that
Speaker 3: comes on at four right before our local stuff starts
Speaker 3: broadcasting at four point thirty. Okay, so that's where you
Speaker 3: see these ads that you know, they want to bury
Speaker 3: or they want to get it aired, but they don't
Speaker 3: want to pay top dollar for primetime, right.
Speaker 4: And it's also you know, constantly in the morning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like on CNN, right they run Anderson
Speaker 2: Cooper's show, and Jake Tapper has one and you know whatever.
Speaker 3: But ABC ap barely. ABC ran this ad during Jimmy
Speaker 3: Kimmel Live and during the View, which is a big
Speaker 3: show for ABC.
Speaker 2: Now those are good morning, Yeah, those are larger audiences,
Speaker 2: but when you're running it at that three am time slot,
Speaker 2: that's the same. Like I said, CNN does this too,
Speaker 2: Like they have Anderson Cooper and Jake Tapper in their
Speaker 2: primetime slots, right then they rerun them. Okay, so you're
Speaker 2: watching the rerun of the show all the way up
Speaker 2: till like around that three AM slot. Then there's this
Speaker 2: English lady that comes on and starts giving you the
Speaker 2: latest headlines at you know, four in the morning or whatever,
Speaker 2: and it's sort of like now it's you know, not
Speaker 2: CNN whatever their show is. They call it in the morning,
Speaker 2: like you know, CNN at dawn or whatever. No, it's
Speaker 2: not that now, it's pre morning CNN, right, and they'll
Speaker 2: go to a live thing that hardly anybody's watching now.
Speaker 1: During that time, you.
Speaker 2: Get a lot of these PSAs and things, right, Uh,
Speaker 2: National Suicide Hotline, Uh, you know, Wounded Warriors and uh
Speaker 2: and and Wounded Veterans of America and uh, the stuff
Speaker 2: like they used to have the Unity ones, you know,
Speaker 2: don't hold people's religions against them ads right. Uh, even
Speaker 2: the uh, the stuff that's run by the Mormons, brought
Speaker 2: to you by the you know, the Church of h
Speaker 2: whatever in Latter day Saints. Uh. And it's you know,
Speaker 2: some sort of like be a good person, don't hold
Speaker 2: other people's you know, beliefs against them. Uh, you know,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah whatever they run that stuff. Don't kill yourself.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, if you've got a drug problem, contact us
Speaker 2: the National Drug Prevention Hotline.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: National.
Speaker 2: You know you're you're feeling terrible, you you're contemplating ending
Speaker 2: your life, perhaps you should call the suicide Hotline. Those things,
Speaker 2: some of them government controlled and some of them controlled
Speaker 2: again by these nonprofit organizations, But a lot of that
Speaker 2: you'll see run during pretty much dead programs where the
Speaker 2: ratings are low. You know, it's not like nobody's watching,
Speaker 2: but it's a very small number. Now I'm kind of
Speaker 2: surprised you're telling me that they ran these during the
Speaker 2: view and also during what was the other one you mentioned,
Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimmel, now, the late night. Everybody's a little confused
Speaker 2: about this late night. These guys in their live broadcasts
Speaker 2: usually did not have the highest ratings. They talk about
Speaker 2: them and they say, oh, you know, two million people
Speaker 2: are watching them or whatever, But realistically, nowadays, for live broadcast,
Speaker 2: two million is not that big, okay at all.
Speaker 1: One. Two.
Speaker 2: A lot of people catch these things, guess what, in
Speaker 2: podcast form. Afterwards, they watch the clips on YouTube or
Speaker 2: on the website or whatever afterwards, and they don't even
Speaker 2: necessarily watch the whole shows. Some turn around and just go,
Speaker 2: I want to see his monologue tonight, or I want
Speaker 2: to see they said he did a funny bit. They
Speaker 2: just go and search for the funny bit. It's like
Speaker 2: Saturday Night Live. Hardly anybody knows when it's live. Number one,
Speaker 2: because it isn't live that often. But number two, a
Speaker 2: lot of people just catch it the next day or whatever,
Speaker 2: and they only watched the cold open, or they only
Speaker 2: watched the bit that made the rounds in the news,
Speaker 2: that got people talking, right, And they watch these things
Speaker 2: in part, not even the whole broadcast.
Speaker 1: Okay, and late Night, the.
Speaker 3: Late night programs like that, you know, have all been
Speaker 3: di looted because you know, at one time you had
Speaker 3: Carson and he was the king, right, you know, Jack
Speaker 3: Parr had his show, then Carson came along Tonight's show,
Speaker 3: you know, he left, you had Jay Leno and that
Speaker 3: whole thing.
Speaker 4: But the other stations came up with competition.
Speaker 3: So now you've got Seth Rogan, you've got Jimmy Kimmel,
Speaker 3: you've got.
Speaker 2: Way back when Colbert Listen, way back when though they
Speaker 2: had David Letterman and they had Tom Snyder and remember
Speaker 2: the Tomorrow Show, right, uh.
Speaker 3: So yeah, Snider, Yeah he didn't. He drew a lot
Speaker 3: of people.
Speaker 4: Of course, nobody could compete with Johnny Carson.
Speaker 1: He was the king.
Speaker 3: I mean, he nailed Late Night, sure, And when you
Speaker 3: had all of these other stations come up with their
Speaker 3: own version to compete, then you had people like and
Speaker 3: like here lately, Bret Guttfeld on Fox had a show
Speaker 3: called red Eye that I mean, and it was two
Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning. It was red Eye, right. If
Speaker 3: you were up that late, you were a dedicated fan
Speaker 3: that eventually got morphed into where if they started moving
Speaker 3: him lower and lower in the time slots, he's now
Speaker 3: at ten am or ten pm.
Speaker 4: He kills His draw is more than all of the
Speaker 4: other late night hosts put together.
Speaker 1: I believe it.
Speaker 3: That's how big come in the past couple of years,
Speaker 3: you know. And it's an entertaining show. I've got to
Speaker 3: give him that. But when you started, like during COVID
Speaker 3: when Colbert on his show had the dancing hypodermic needles,
Speaker 3: I knew right then and there late night was dead.
Speaker 3: It's over with. They might as well go ahead and
Speaker 3: write out the certificate, pull the sheet over it and
Speaker 3: get rid of it. It's it's so bad, it's really it.
Speaker 3: Late night TV is nothing like it was back when
Speaker 3: you had people like Carson doing it.
Speaker 4: I'm going to really put some effort in it.
Speaker 2: Initially, Yeah, and Carson was followed by Letterman for a
Speaker 2: long time on NBC until his contract came due, and
Speaker 2: then he thought he was going to replace Carson, and
Speaker 2: they hauled Jay Leno in that slot. Then Letterman left
Speaker 2: and became competition. He went to CBS, and there was
Speaker 2: there was others too that that tried to hold the
Speaker 2: late night slot or tried to hold a night a
Speaker 2: night slot. Howard Stern did a TV show once a
Speaker 2: week at one point, right, it worked out for a
Speaker 2: little while and then it tanked. Rush Limbaugh had an
Speaker 2: overnight you know, a late night show that was distributed,
Speaker 2: you know, and actually played by affiliates at all different times.
Speaker 1: You never knew what time Rush Limbaugh was going to
Speaker 1: be on.
Speaker 2: And in fact, in New York, I could watch it
Speaker 2: on Channel nine at one time and then wait a
Speaker 2: little while, like three in the morning, and I could
Speaker 2: watch it on Channel five.
Speaker 1: Which you know, again both broadcast entities.
Speaker 2: But no late night has become really weird, I mean,
Speaker 2: and Colbert, the fact that he's still around is what's
Speaker 2: amazing to me, because this guy started out as like
Speaker 2: a bit on somebody else's show. He wasn't even like
Speaker 2: you know, first of all, he was an act, right
Speaker 2: it is you know this and that I'm Colbert blah
Speaker 2: blah blah, you know, and he would come on and
Speaker 2: do this like parody of a conservative, and then that
Speaker 2: became its own TV show on like I think Comedy
Speaker 2: Central carried it, and it was the Colbert rapport, right,
Speaker 2: And the Colbert rapport was, you know, him making fun
Speaker 2: of how you know, you don't say Colbert, you say
Speaker 2: you know in the Colbert Report, Colbert Rapport, and he
Speaker 2: still was doing this parody of a conservative and he
Speaker 2: would bring people on and ask obnoxious questions you know
Speaker 2: that echoed conservative sentiment, but they were super obnoxious. You know,
Speaker 2: like if he had gotten Kamala on back then he
Speaker 2: might have said, so, when is it that you sold
Speaker 2: your soul to the devil? You know, because we need
Speaker 2: to know when did you go to the crossroads? I
Speaker 2: mean he would have said stuff like that to her
Speaker 2: as he got her as an interview subject, right, And
Speaker 2: that was that. But then at some point they went
Speaker 2: and hired him for Late Night I think when Jay
Speaker 2: Leno was sort of retired, right, like Leno had kind
Speaker 2: of finished his run.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he went to Late Night, and uh, you know
Speaker 4: it came.
Speaker 3: Out as himself acting as himself, right, and it was
Speaker 3: you know a lot of people at first thought, well,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, I thought this guy was conservative, and
Speaker 3: it's like, no, no, no, no, no no. That was
Speaker 3: a party was playing on a show on Comedy Central.
Speaker 2: Right, and it was a parody at that, you know,
Speaker 2: so you weren't getting serious conservative views.
Speaker 1: It was a joke. It was meant to be.
Speaker 3: And you think about it. You look at the people
Speaker 3: that had been involved in Late Night and you know,
Speaker 3: look at the talent. It's I mean, Arsenio Hall had
Speaker 3: a show for a while and he had that's where
Speaker 3: Bill Clinton got famous, playing the sacks. I knows, I
Speaker 3: know it's Arsenio Hall.
Speaker 2: I mentioned it many times on this show that that's
Speaker 2: what impressed me actually is him coming out playing the
Speaker 2: sacks with you know, Ray bans On, No kidding, And
Speaker 2: he was on the Arsenio Hall Show, which at the
Speaker 2: time was the cutting edge of late night.
Speaker 1: Right. He was competing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll have to do a takedown one night. Well,
Speaker 3: I have to get a list of all the shows
Speaker 3: and what we remember and what we did, because like
Speaker 3: Colin O'Brien.
Speaker 1: Absolutely so.
Speaker 3: For a long time, I have never heard him say
Speaker 3: anything that was funny ever, And I don't understand how
Speaker 3: he's this great comedian, and I'm thinking he's never made
Speaker 3: me laugh, he said.
Speaker 2: You and I absolutely agree on that. I have no
Speaker 2: idea why Conan O'Brien has a job.
Speaker 1: Seriously, I mean no concept.
Speaker 2: Like I understand why he had a job as a
Speaker 2: writer on the Simpsons, but as a performer as a comedian,
Speaker 2: I don't get it.
Speaker 1: He just he's no good. I mean, he's not funny.
Speaker 1: So I agree with you there.
Speaker 2: It's weird that he has a job all this time,
Speaker 2: because they usually get rid of these these hosts of
Speaker 2: talk shows real fast when they realize, you know, the
Speaker 2: audience isn't that big. But his audience rises falls doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: It's like he must have the pictures of the guy
Speaker 2: who owns the network with a donkey, because I don't
Speaker 2: understand how he keeps that job.
Speaker 3: But no, he could go even further out of it
Speaker 3: is just the cult of personality put himself out there.
Speaker 2: He had a lot of fans like, let's go into
Speaker 2: some super little Yeah, let's go into some super nostalgia
Speaker 2: for a minute. Thoughll be, Pete, I got questions for
Speaker 2: you because there was a time when Howard Stern was
Speaker 2: running his E Network show, right, which was just on
Speaker 2: the Entertainment Channel, and it was nothing but a television
Speaker 2: version of his radio show, right, And that was his
Speaker 2: attempt to kind of compete on the late night But
Speaker 2: during that time, I mean, we saw a lot of
Speaker 2: things rise and fall. Matter of fact, here's one from
Speaker 2: the late eighties.
Speaker 1: A lot of people won't.
Speaker 2: Remember if you weren't in the New York area, but
Speaker 2: did go national for a minute outside of the time
Speaker 2: that Rush Limbaugh was running around getting a TV show
Speaker 2: started that did fail. Actually, eventually the ratings were very
Speaker 2: bad on the Rush Limbaugh Show. After the initial launch.
Speaker 2: He claimed that he was being removed because he was conservative.
Speaker 2: But the truth is that you know, they did equal
Speaker 2: ratings if they put on, you know, deal a meal
Speaker 2: in commercials at the time, right, Richard Simmons reference there.
Speaker 3: Part of the deal with Limbaugh I was he said
Speaker 3: he never really enjoyed doing it. He he enjoyed radio, right.
Speaker 3: He you know, he came out later with his cam
Speaker 3: that if you paid the high dollars to his website
Speaker 3: you could get access to that during his broadcast and all. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: he did admit a couple of interviews that I heard
Speaker 3: of him that he never really enjoyed doing that show.
Speaker 3: From start. They tried it, it was okay, but he thought,
Speaker 3: I'm a radio guy and I need to stick to
Speaker 3: what I know. And so when it ended, I think
Speaker 3: part of it was he kind of went to him
Speaker 3: and said, look, guys, this isn't working and I don't
Speaker 3: want any more to do with it.
Speaker 2: Well, I think his enthusiasm wasn't that high, you know,
Speaker 2: because it wasn't as good as him working off of
Speaker 2: the audience, which he was good at doing. You know,
Speaker 2: whether they were calling up to say, you know, uh,
Speaker 2: Megadido's rush, I agree with everything you say, or you know,
Speaker 2: they were calling up to give him crap. He did
Speaker 2: well with the callers. So you know, how do you
Speaker 2: do that on a TV show. It's very hard. You can,
Speaker 2: but it never garners real ratings. It doesn't translate.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: That kind of thing works on radio, not on TV,
Speaker 2: you know, because if it did, then that Washington Journal
Speaker 2: show would be number one across the world that runs
Speaker 2: on c SPAN, Because I mean, people get on there
Speaker 2: and say some pretty interesting things, some very intelligent, some
Speaker 2: very stupid, and you get a sample of all over
Speaker 2: the place when it comes to political views and ideologies
Speaker 2: on that C SPAN show that occurs that you know,
Speaker 2: but they put it on it like seven in the morning,
Speaker 2: right on weekdays.
Speaker 1: I think it runs. But but look remember Morton Downey
Speaker 1: Junior though you remember that guy.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's local Access gave him his break man.
Speaker 3: He was he was the dude.
Speaker 2: Well see he wasn't local Access. He was on Channel
Speaker 2: nine in New York WRTV, right.
Speaker 3: And I thought he started on local Access and made
Speaker 3: the switch.
Speaker 1: Nope, No, he was on WRTV.
Speaker 2: Okay, And there was a Channel nine in New York,
Speaker 2: which technically is in seacaucas New Jersey.
Speaker 1: The broadcaster is in New Jersey, and so was their headquarters.
Speaker 1: But it's in New York.
Speaker 2: It's generally seen as a New York station, Channel nine
Speaker 2: right now. Later on it got purchased by Universal Broadcasting.
Speaker 2: It became a upn thing. Uh, it became something else.
Speaker 2: H during the time when they were trying to create
Speaker 2: yet another network.
Speaker 1: When they created.
Speaker 2: WB after Fox had its success as a network, right
Speaker 2: which was a fabricated network from a bunch of independence
Speaker 2: stations across the country, they took Channel five in New
Speaker 2: York and Channel five was an independence station up till then. Anyway,
Speaker 2: Channel nine is where he broadcast from the WR studios
Speaker 2: in Seacaucus, New Jersey.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And he was popular here, you know, not here, he
Speaker 1: was popular in the area I lived in. Then.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is like in mid to eight and then
Speaker 2: it expanded. They took it and they syndicated that show,
Speaker 2: and that went on briefly. Now everything went crazy for
Speaker 2: a little bit. He was successful, but as soon as
Speaker 2: his popularity started to dive, and tabloid stories came out
Speaker 2: about him being a scumbag and you know, urinating inside
Speaker 2: of limos and all kinds of wild stuff he was doing.
Speaker 2: You know, they kind of smeared him and made him
Speaker 2: sound like this out of control lunatic who was like,
Speaker 2: you know, an egomaniac and abusing his staff and abusing
Speaker 2: people that came on the.
Speaker 1: Show and weird stuff. Right.
Speaker 2: He then staged an attack as if he was attacked
Speaker 2: by Nazis. If people don't remember this, he ended up
Speaker 2: saying that he was, Yeah, he was attacked by Nazis
Speaker 2: in an airport and they literally spray painted a swastik
Speaker 2: on his forehead. Remember that, And so so he went
Speaker 2: out and tried to pull this as a pr and
Speaker 2: I don't know if he ever ever admitted it publicly
Speaker 2: that he had staged it or done it to himself.
Speaker 2: But the story was, you know, he got attacked and
Speaker 2: beat up by Nazis who spray painted stuff on him
Speaker 2: and humiliated him and you know, all this crap. But
Speaker 2: Morton fell apart, uh, and you know, was not successful.
Speaker 2: After a very short run of success in the syndicated
Speaker 2: TV market collapsed, So that was the end of him.
Speaker 2: There were other attempts to make other people into syndicated
Speaker 2: TV hosts that were successful. Joan Rivers had a show,
Speaker 2: remember Jones show. She had a nationally syndicated show with
Speaker 2: Fox Broadcasting and they rather suddenly and unceremoniously fired her.
Speaker 1: You remember that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was, she was. She was caught up in
Speaker 3: the Johnny Carson bit too to succeed him and uh.
Speaker 3: In fact, she fell out when she wasn't chosen to
Speaker 3: take over.
Speaker 2: His show and it went to Yep, she got really
Speaker 2: angry and Johnny ye had well, she thought that she
Speaker 2: would be the logical replacement for Johnny Carson when he retired.
Speaker 2: See that's Letterman and her both thought I have a
Speaker 2: job here because Johnny's gonna leave, And Letterman's like, look,
Speaker 2: I've sat in this you know slot that has worse
Speaker 2: ratings because people shut their TVs off a lot after Carson.
Speaker 2: But I've got a solid following. I've proven i can
Speaker 2: do late night TV. Blah blah blah. I got a
Speaker 2: band and everything. I can just take it and bring
Speaker 2: it to Johnny slot boom. The Tonight Show now stars
Speaker 2: David Letterman, and they made promises to him like they
Speaker 2: were going to do that. Uh, they didn't put it
Speaker 2: in writing. But anyway, when Johnny retired, he figured, I'm
Speaker 2: stepping in. Joan Rivers likewise figured that since she had
Speaker 2: been a substitute many many times substitute hosts, she hosted
Speaker 2: The Tonight Show as a you know, when Johnny.
Speaker 3: Would be in vacation, he had been on the show.
Speaker 4: She was the one person that held the record for
Speaker 4: the most is on Carson Show.
Speaker 2: Right, So she figured quite logically that she could be
Speaker 2: since the you know, there was always a positive response
Speaker 2: to her ratings didn't fall when she you know, guest hosted,
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. She figured she had the gig,
Speaker 2: and there was a couple other people that thought they
Speaker 2: might have a good shot at the gig. Leno was
Speaker 2: a bit of a surprise to a lot of people,
Speaker 2: even the industry, who said, you know, Leno is a
Speaker 2: little too like pedestrian and you know, sort of bland
Speaker 2: as a comedian and this and that. Right, his stand
Speaker 2: up routine not very strong. But you know, Johnny Carson
Speaker 2: wasn't a great stand up either. He did a very
Speaker 2: specific job as a stand up comedian. Johnny was not
Speaker 2: that great. You know, with ten people writing his monologue
Speaker 2: jokes and talking about the news, he could sort of
Speaker 2: make things run. But if you just gave him a
Speaker 2: microphone it chuckles one night, he was not going to
Speaker 2: do well. It's like Howard Stern, who was great on
Speaker 2: the radio, but when he tried to do a TV
Speaker 2: show that wasn't just his radio show, he had a
Speaker 2: hard time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was That was one individual I could never
Speaker 3: get into. I never understood the popularity of his show
Speaker 3: and his radio show killed in that market. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's slayd. He was the person if you wanted your
Speaker 3: commercial it was going to cost you, yep. But if
Speaker 3: you wanted it out there you had the audience, and
Speaker 3: Stern certainly had it. I don't understand how it worked.
Speaker 3: I can't understand how he.
Speaker 4: Was that popular, but I mean, he was the man.
Speaker 4: He was the king of all media.
Speaker 3: One time.
Speaker 2: Well it was mass slating because look, he tried to
Speaker 2: go get syndicated radio right for his thing, and they
Speaker 2: told him, listen, it doesn't work for comedians on the radio.
Speaker 1: It can't be done.
Speaker 2: So what he did is he started getting radio station affiliates,
Speaker 2: one to two at a time and signing them up
Speaker 2: himself as like part of just it's not a network,
Speaker 2: it's just you're part of Howard Stern's broadcasting family, you know.
Speaker 2: And he was in New York and his first brand
Speaker 2: new affiliate was in Philadelphia. So the argument was, let's
Speaker 2: just cover the area and connect these two spots together.
Speaker 2: The next thing is he got like Washington, DC, and
Speaker 2: then he got Connecticut, and you know, sort of made
Speaker 2: his broadcast area expand by connecting these things together. And
Speaker 2: every time he went somewhere, whether it was there or Cleveland, Ohio,
Speaker 2: or California, it didn't matter where you syndicated him.
Speaker 1: He would go there and succeed and succeed and succeed, and.
Speaker 2: That's what made him the highest paid broadcaster.
Speaker 1: You know there was right and you know.
Speaker 3: He ended up with and he was he was competing
Speaker 3: with some heavy hitters too. I mean don Imus at
Speaker 3: that time was big on radio, you know, he was.
Speaker 3: He could he could name his price because he had control.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he beat the hell out of Imus in
Speaker 2: every market that they put him up against.
Speaker 3: That was the thing. If you if I was a
Speaker 3: host and I had to go up against Stern, I
Speaker 3: think I would have just thrown into talent said I'll wait, yeah,
Speaker 3: so something.
Speaker 1: Changes, put me on in a different time slot. I
Speaker 1: don't want to deal with this.
Speaker 2: And in fact, that's what started to happen, is that,
Speaker 2: you know, because remember there were all these morning.
Speaker 1: Zoos all over the country and stuff.
Speaker 2: He would go into a market where a morning zoo
Speaker 2: was dominating the place, you know, and you know a
Speaker 2: morning zoo requires you know, six seven, eight guys to
Speaker 2: run it, right, You got two guys running bits, You
Speaker 2: got like four guys on the microphone doing voices and
Speaker 2: playing sound effects and all these different things. You need
Speaker 2: ten guys. If you just hire Howard Stern, you wipe
Speaker 2: them out. They're no longer even you know, viable as
Speaker 2: somebody to pay at a local radio station. Okay, because
Speaker 2: Stern takes your ratings, I mean, and he really did.
Speaker 2: Every market he would go into, he'd march in, beat
Speaker 2: the crap out of whoever was there, de throne, you know,
Speaker 2: the number one rated whatever it was, in almost every
Speaker 2: single market.
Speaker 3: But he would go for major markets too, And that's
Speaker 3: why we didn't really get a lot of Howard Stern
Speaker 3: down here in North Carolina because one the markets weren't
Speaker 3: markets were okay, they weren't as big as he wanted,
Speaker 3: but people were just kind of put off by one,
Speaker 3: everything being about New York to his crudeness, I guess
Speaker 3: you could put it. Well, see, no, it just it
Speaker 3: didn't go big here.
Speaker 2: Well see, that's the weird thing is he did get
Speaker 2: some of the small markets to begin with, but just
Speaker 2: like with everything in broadcasting, if you're super successful now
Speaker 2: it costs more money. These radio stations had to pay
Speaker 2: him to bring it in.
Speaker 1: So you know, your little.
Speaker 2: Radio station and you know Tuscaloosa or whatever is now
Speaker 2: not able to afford Howard Stern, you see, So that's
Speaker 2: why he ended up more in the major markets. It
Speaker 2: wasn't because of the content. It was because of the price.
Speaker 2: You know, the argument being, look, maybe you got to
Speaker 2: pay us a huge amount of money to run the
Speaker 2: Stern Show, but you'll be able to charge x amount
Speaker 2: of dollars for your ad revenue.
Speaker 1: Well that's not true if you're.
Speaker 2: In not even a secondary market, you're not in one
Speaker 2: of the prime media markets. You're not in you know,
Speaker 2: the market that's attached to it. You're you know, you're
Speaker 2: you're two three steps down the ladder. You don't have
Speaker 2: the kind of money to pay sterarn See. And as
Speaker 2: he was, you know, really collecting, he had seemingly just
Speaker 2: about every major market in the country. He was dominating
Speaker 2: in broadcast radio right at that point he went to
Speaker 2: satellite radio, and everybody thought it was crazy, it was
Speaker 2: going to be a failure, et cetera, et cetera. And
Speaker 2: the fact is they're paying him over one hundred million
Speaker 2: dollars a year and they can afford it based on
Speaker 2: the fact that he's got so many people that subscribe
Speaker 2: to Cirrus Cyrus at first now Cerrus XM, because at
Speaker 2: first they were two separate companies, right, you know, and
Speaker 2: and the thing is there, he's got enough subscribers that
Speaker 2: go to that radio uh you know service just because
Speaker 2: of how snern. Then he's worth that hundred million dollars VPTE.
Speaker 2: You know, he makes enough in revenue right there. Plus
Speaker 2: they run commercials on a show by the way, you
Speaker 2: know it's not commercial free, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I've never been a big fan of satellite radio,
Speaker 3: and I guess it's because on a lot of the stations,
Speaker 3: especially for news. I mean, talk is one thing, but
Speaker 3: if you want strictly news, and I'm a news junkie, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, I'll take it basically any form it comes.
Speaker 3: But the problem is you're getting the feed like Fox.
Speaker 3: You're getting the feed of Fox and Friends in the morning,
Speaker 3: and when the ad time comes up, it goes blank
Speaker 3: for two minutes and then kicks back in. It's it's
Speaker 3: almost like I can watch this on TV. It's just
Speaker 3: I'm stuck in my car, right, So, yeah, I would.
Speaker 3: I never could get into I didn't think it was
Speaker 3: worth the money for dedicated satellite radio because I got Bluetooth.
Speaker 4: I can't stream anything on my phone while I'm dry
Speaker 4: and listen to it.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, it was doing that yeah.
Speaker 3: Even though it was free for three months when I
Speaker 3: bought the car, I never renewed it. Now holiday time
Speaker 3: they come up with a free set of limited channels
Speaker 3: starting in November, hoping that you'll buy a subscription for
Speaker 3: somebody for Christmas. You know, in January it goes back
Speaker 3: to the basic advertisement channel for XM when you punch
Speaker 3: it on your car if you're not a member. So
Speaker 3: I went through it when I got my new truck
Speaker 3: at work, it had XM free for a month, and
Speaker 3: after thirty days.
Speaker 4: You didn't listen to anything.
Speaker 3: I thought, you know, I'm not going to spend the
Speaker 3: money that they want to listen to something I can
Speaker 3: stream over my phone for free.
Speaker 1: Well. See, here's the thing.
Speaker 2: Before the time when a lot of these things could
Speaker 2: be streamed and the internet had easy access to various broadcasts.
Speaker 1: Like you know, I am a small online radio station
Speaker 1: right now, right.
Speaker 2: There are plenty of free statesations out there that you
Speaker 2: could just get as long as you have the right devices.
Speaker 1: But in the early two.
Speaker 2: Thousands, and even going all the way up to say,
Speaker 2: like you know, I don't know, twenty fifteen or so,
Speaker 2: there weren't that many, you know, there weren't that many
Speaker 2: stations out there. You didn't have a good variety, and
Speaker 2: the satellite broadcasting was way more available, say in you know,
Speaker 2: two thousand and one.
Speaker 3: Yes, And also also at that time, you didn't have
Speaker 3: the prevalence of bluetooth in your car.
Speaker 4: You had satellite radio, but you didn't have the.
Speaker 3: Ability to you know, bluetooth your phone into your car
Speaker 3: to be able to do this, that and the other.
Speaker 3: Well that's the next thing, your phone.
Speaker 1: See that's the next advantage.
Speaker 2: See, you know, iPods and things were not easily integrated
Speaker 2: into anything. But they started selling cars with these radios
Speaker 2: built in. So you had one already installed. You didn't
Speaker 2: have to go buy the radio. Now it's already in
Speaker 2: your new car, et cetera, et cetera, and U. But
Speaker 2: if you want to and you had an older cart,
Speaker 2: you could go buy a thing and pretty much, you know,
Speaker 2: within a couple of minutes, you could stick this thing up.
Speaker 1: Make a phone call, Boom, your radio's turned on. And
Speaker 1: that's the thing.
Speaker 2: Now it had some commercial free stuff and talk radio
Speaker 2: of all kinds along with those channel simulcasts that you're
Speaker 2: talking about, but also they had specialized programming like you know,
Speaker 2: little Steve, Little Stephen Stephen van Zant has you know,
Speaker 2: a I don't know if he's got a whole station
Speaker 2: or just a show. But you know, nowadays you have
Speaker 2: Ozzie's Graveyard or Ozzie's Boneyard, which is, you know, a
Speaker 2: hard rock station twenty four to seven. Sometimes Ozzy comes
Speaker 2: on and DJ's the shows. You got different rock stars
Speaker 2: who during their breaks went on and ran radio shows,
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera, because they were trying to capitalize
Speaker 2: on stuff like Alice Cooper who had a nationally syndicated
Speaker 2: radio show for many years. I don't know if he's
Speaker 2: still does, but they had something with Alice Cooper, Late
Speaker 2: Nights with Alice Cooper or something Nights with.
Speaker 3: Alice one of the big things. When Garth Books started.
Speaker 1: His channel and all, well there you go see and
Speaker 1: different people have started channels.
Speaker 2: Plus there's comedy channels on there where they run stand
Speaker 2: up comedians Kevin Hart or somebody has like a full
Speaker 2: channel on there.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when I would listen to X Sam, that was
Speaker 3: the only thing I would listen to. As the comedy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I love the comedy channels. But you know,
Speaker 1: but here you go, it seemed like.
Speaker 2: And now because it's competing with the fact that there's
Speaker 2: so many things available on the internet, and you have
Speaker 2: internet access in your car, I mean without bluetooth even
Speaker 2: you can just set it up so that your radio
Speaker 2: is able to pick up things from the Internet and
Speaker 2: you just send the signal through boom, you know, like
Speaker 2: you could listen to and I know there were guys
Speaker 2: listening to my little radio station for while there a
Speaker 2: couple of years ago. I was hearing from these guys
Speaker 2: who got together. They did construction work in Ireland, right,
Speaker 2: and what they would do is they would get into
Speaker 2: a van, like five six guys in a workman and
Speaker 2: they would ride to the job site, which at that
Speaker 2: time their job site was more than an hour away,
Speaker 2: and they were putting on o'helly dot com radio in
Speaker 2: Ireland and just listening to the replay shows early morning
Speaker 2: in Ireland.
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, and that's what I you know, that's
Speaker 3: what I do here when I listened to something off
Speaker 3: the web, you know, on your show, I'm on my
Speaker 3: way to work or I'm at work, because I can
Speaker 3: pause it when I want, I can get back into
Speaker 3: it if something comes up. I'm out of the truck
Speaker 3: looking at something. You know, boom, I can stop it,
Speaker 3: come back and pick up where I left off. It's
Speaker 3: just so convenient for me, right And although you know,
Speaker 3: I hate to admit it, but you know, I spent
Speaker 3: money with Gaggle so that I could have my YouTube music.
Speaker 3: And that's why I bought a premium was so I
Speaker 3: could get the music without the commercials out down through that.
Speaker 3: I can also you know, put YouTube through my blue
Speaker 3: tooth if I want. But for me driving, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't need. I used to carry CDs. The last
Speaker 3: car I bought didn't have a CD player. It had
Speaker 3: thumb drives, so I had to swipe all my music
Speaker 3: over loaded up on thumb drives. You know, I had
Speaker 3: thumb drives enough for thirty six continuous hours of mixed music.
Speaker 3: So you like little I wanted to listen to.
Speaker 2: You had like little USB sticks that you could just
Speaker 2: plug in and you could play the music off.
Speaker 1: And that's pretty cool from.
Speaker 4: What right in the usdport and I could go.
Speaker 3: But then once I've had a car with Bluetooth in it,
Speaker 3: I thought, well, hey, I don't even have to mess
Speaker 3: with that.
Speaker 1: I got my.
Speaker 4: YouTube music boom. I just stream it while I'm driving
Speaker 4: to listen to anything I want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agreed, But you know what we should
Speaker 2: one night do a thing about late night and you
Speaker 2: know the competition of it and what's mixed into it.
Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live.
Speaker 2: Still get to mention here, I can't believe that show
Speaker 2: is still on the air because a lot of times
Speaker 2: I've tried to watch it and it's terrible.
Speaker 4: Was that fifty years?
Speaker 2: Fifty years they've been around? But I'm telling you it's
Speaker 2: not winners every week for fifty years, because I've seen some.
Speaker 4: Shows in probably thirty years.
Speaker 1: Right, but have you you've caught clips here and there though, right?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because you know it's that's the first thing
Speaker 3: that usually that's the first thing they lead with on
Speaker 3: Monday morning on CBS News is something that happened on
Speaker 3: Saturday Night Live, poking fun at.
Speaker 1: Somebody, right, especially yeah, like right now they watch.
Speaker 4: Anything here on on you know, a program on the net.
Speaker 4: That's first thing you revenues.
Speaker 3: They were spearing Trump over this or or because this
Speaker 3: year when they started the season year of what a
Speaker 3: month and a half ago, two no back, it was
Speaker 3: September when they came out with the new This was
Speaker 3: their fiftieth year, so this was going to be a
Speaker 3: big year. This is the first year that people are
Speaker 3: taking note that they've gone after. They didn't go after
Speaker 3: Biden until after he decided to step down. Saturday Night
Speaker 3: Live came out with their first show and they started
Speaker 3: spearing Democrats, and that's what caught everybody's attention in mainstream media.
Speaker 5: Oh wait a minute.
Speaker 3: They're not just going after Trump. They're not just going
Speaker 3: after conservatives, they're not just going after Christian nationalists. They're
Speaker 3: going after Kamala. Something has changed.
Speaker 1: No, not only.
Speaker 2: Kamala, but I tuned into a couple of clips and man,
Speaker 2: they're totally like out of it.
Speaker 1: Joe Biden guy is also pretty funny.
Speaker 2: Uh, But they didn't show that until after the collapse
Speaker 2: of j Finan's campaign and all that.
Speaker 3: David Harvey came back to pull of Biden backt Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was bringing these older stars back.
Speaker 4: And look at them in these sketches, and they're really
Speaker 4: catching on. It's a surprising thing the media to realize today.
Speaker 3: Maybe Saturday Night Live has come to a realization that,
Speaker 3: you know, dumping on one side is not profitable because
Speaker 3: the show really has gone down in ratings in the
Speaker 3: past few years. It's you a resurgent because it is
Speaker 3: the fiftieth year. It's hard to imagine. When Saturday Night
Speaker 3: Live first came out, people thought this is not going
Speaker 3: to last, right, they win big guns.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I remember in the late seventies exactly because
Speaker 2: I remember it in the late seventies, like, you know,
Speaker 2: the original lineup.
Speaker 1: I think it was what year did they say, seventy six?
Speaker 4: Maybe, well, what's fifty years?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was a little kid.
Speaker 2: Well, I know, I was a little kid and I
Speaker 2: saw it, and I remember, you know, John Blueshei and
Speaker 2: all that. Right, it was pretty wild, you know, and
Speaker 2: it was I do remember people talking about it saying,
Speaker 2: you know, this thing is crazy and it's not going
Speaker 2: to last.
Speaker 3: A can't. Yeah, look at the effect that it had
Speaker 3: on the rest of entertainment, entertainment media. I mean, look
Speaker 3: at the movies that were generated from Belushi and Achoid
Speaker 3: and Ghostbusters. Well that's Saturday Night Live cast right there.
Speaker 1: Right. Well, here we go.
Speaker 2: Let's let's get to this and uh and and see
Speaker 2: what we can what we can learn from the callers.
Speaker 1: I do have a caller and.
Speaker 2: Let's see what do we got here. I'm getting a
Speaker 2: weird message. I'll deal with this later. This is not
Speaker 2: something to be dealt with on air. But I do
Speaker 2: want to get to the callers, anybody who calls in.
Speaker 2: We do have to get to a break soon too.
Speaker 2: But apparently I missed him there for a while. Jimmy
Speaker 2: James is on hold, so I want to get him
Speaker 2: on air only because he was waiting a long time,
Speaker 2: and then we're going to go to a break. Okay,
Speaker 2: be pete. But also looks like we may not have
Speaker 2: Aaron Franz tonight, so come ten o'clock, I have options.
Speaker 2: We'll see what we do, but I don't think I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go, you know, very long, unless you guys insist
Speaker 2: upon it. If we get some new callers, things like that,
Speaker 2: or we not new callers. But if we get enough
Speaker 2: callers and enough discussion going, we'll see where we go,
Speaker 2: you know. And even if BP can't hang, I'll try
Speaker 2: and hang. But we're going to have to get to
Speaker 2: a break pretty soon. So what do you think, Peach?
Speaker 2: Should we go to Jimmy and then go to a break,
Speaker 2: because I prefer to do that. He's been on hold. Jeez,
Speaker 2: I missed him by quite a bit. He's been on
Speaker 2: hold like twenty minutes. I didn't see him at the bottom. Okay,
Speaker 2: so my mistake, Jimmy. I meant to get you on sooner.
Speaker 1: But there you are.
Speaker 2: You're live, and I just didn't see you at the
Speaker 2: bottom of the list. I had to scroll up and
Speaker 2: you weren't there on the bottom of the list. But
Speaker 2: nobody else is called in, by the way, either, and
Speaker 2: I didn't get my usual show on the screen. So
Speaker 2: now I see you, and I'm sorry, and I'm even
Speaker 2: gonna hold off on taking.
Speaker 1: A break because you're live. Jimmy James, what's on your mind?
Speaker 6: All right?
Speaker 3: This works out good.
Speaker 5: I wanna terrogate b Pete.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, are you are you prepared? Are you prepared
Speaker 1: for interrogation?
Speaker 3: Sir? I don't know, Jimmy James. You know how that
Speaker 3: can be.
Speaker 2: Hey, man, look, I am not responsible for what Jimmy
Speaker 2: James does to you during interrogation. I'm just telling you
Speaker 2: and the listeners right now that I have no control
Speaker 2: over what Jimmy James says or does here.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you've been working on Jimmy interrogate away.
Speaker 5: All right, I'm old school. I'm getting off the phone book.
Speaker 5: It's gonna work them.
Speaker 3: Over nice now.
Speaker 2: I was won.
Speaker 5: Be Pete in your opinion. I'm just curious about this.
Speaker 3: What what what is?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 5: What was the best Daytona five hundred ever?
Speaker 1: Hm hmmm, question I'd asked you.
Speaker 3: I don't know about the best when it was probably
Speaker 3: the most tragic one, but that was the one that
Speaker 3: stands out in my mind is the one where Dale
Speaker 3: Earnhardt Junior won and his dad ended up dying on
Speaker 3: the final lap. That's the one that stands out in
Speaker 3: my mind.
Speaker 1: Wow, that was at a Daytona five hundred.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Daytona five hundred is always the opening race for
Speaker 3: the season. You know Super Bowls at the end of
Speaker 3: the football season. You know the World Series is at
Speaker 3: the end of the baseball season, and NASCAR puts their
Speaker 3: biggest race to open the season.
Speaker 4: That's the Daytona five hundred.
Speaker 2: By the way, Jimmy, just I know you want to
Speaker 2: interrogate b Pete, but I want to tell you how
Speaker 2: happy I am that the LA Dodgers beat the damn
Speaker 2: New York Yankees.
Speaker 1: So I'm just happy to see the Yankees lose but
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 5: No, I thought they were going to make a comeback.
Speaker 5: I felt their problem.
Speaker 1: They tried, they tried, but I'm glad they failed.
Speaker 3: You think about it, they had what they started out
Speaker 3: with five runs right off the bat, and then one
Speaker 3: misplay from a pitcher turned that entire game around.
Speaker 1: Yep. The momentum shifted.
Speaker 2: And the next thing you knew is that the Dodgers
Speaker 2: just methodically marched through them, didn't they.
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: And I was so glad to see it. Man, I
Speaker 2: hate it when the Yankees win. I'd never like to
Speaker 2: see the Yankees win. And you know what, if I
Speaker 2: can't root for the Mets, I'll root for whoever the
Speaker 2: hell is playing the Yankees to beat them.
Speaker 1: I don't care who else.
Speaker 3: I didn't really care who won on this one because
Speaker 3: I'm a Toronto fan, just because my past affiliation with them,
Speaker 3: and they're in the Al East and they have to
Speaker 3: deal with the Yankees every year, and I get tired
Speaker 3: of the Yankees. But I wanted to continue a couple
Speaker 3: more games because these guys on both sides were knocking
Speaker 3: to out of the ball every night. You see, that's
Speaker 3: something you thought fast.
Speaker 2: You got to say that it was exciting games of interest.
Speaker 2: There was nothing where it was just complete, yawning blowout.
Speaker 2: There was nothing where even the pitching duel, which some
Speaker 2: people think is exciting, you know that you didn't have
Speaker 2: pitching duels that were ridiculously boring. A few Boks though,
Speaker 2: that was a weird thing. I don't recall ever seeing
Speaker 2: before in a World Series.
Speaker 3: Box because they changed. Yeah, they changed the rule on box.
Speaker 3: You know, if you if you throw twice, you're allowed
Speaker 3: three times to pick somebody off, because it used to
Speaker 3: drag out the game, and that was one of the
Speaker 3: complaints that they came up with.
Speaker 4: Remember when they came.
Speaker 3: Up with the hitting clock, Well that kind of disappeared,
Speaker 3: but the one that stayed was the Balk rule where
Speaker 3: you try to pick the guy off. If you don't
Speaker 3: get him on the third chance, he gets awarded a base.
Speaker 2: Right, So technically you can throw three times, but you
Speaker 2: got to nail him on that third attempt otherwise Buck exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I didn't know that when I saw it because
Speaker 2: I was looking at it because I was looking for,
Speaker 2: you know, miscontact with the rubber or something like that,
Speaker 2: because there was some other books that happened that didn't
Speaker 2: have to do it with the Throad earlier in the series.
Speaker 1: But either way, errors by the Yankees.
Speaker 2: But also don't take a single thing away from the
Speaker 2: fact that the Dodgers were in it.
Speaker 1: Every inning. It seemed like they were in it. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like they ever laid down and gave up.
Speaker 4: We had saw some great brand slams too.
Speaker 3: I mean, these guys hitters, it's amazing the power that
Speaker 3: these hitters have nowadays. I don't know if it's a
Speaker 3: change in the equipment or the technology or just their
Speaker 3: training that they go to, but these guys they're not
Speaker 3: going to cover off the balls. And when you I
Speaker 3: don't care what the game is, there's nothing more excited
Speaker 3: than a World Series game if you loved baseball. But
Speaker 3: for somebody, a walk off grand slam, I mean, you
Speaker 3: don't see that very often, you know. In fact, this
Speaker 3: was the first time it ever happened in a World
Speaker 3: Series game. But it wasn't just that game. The last
Speaker 3: game where the Yankees get boom grand slammed, are up
Speaker 3: by five runs. You know, it's just amazing the talent
Speaker 3: that we saw in this series. I hated to see
Speaker 3: it end. I guess I could pull for the Dodgers
Speaker 3: on this one because the Yankees had been in.
Speaker 7: It so long.
Speaker 3: But I thought, I'm like Jimmy thought they were gonna
Speaker 3: come back. We were gonna go another night.
Speaker 1: Well the Dodgers.
Speaker 2: Here's the cool thing though. The reason why the Dodgers
Speaker 2: are likely to get Grand Slams though, is because it
Speaker 2: seemed to me as though they were pointing them to
Speaker 2: a lot of statistics that said, these guys draw a
Speaker 2: lot of walks, just a lot. And look, no matter
Speaker 2: how you get people on base, if you keep loading
Speaker 2: up the bases, you're going to increase your chances of
Speaker 2: that Grand Slam.
Speaker 1: Baby. That's all there is to it.
Speaker 3: And uh, oh absolutely.
Speaker 1: You know what what is that guy?
Speaker 2: The Japanese guy who was like, you know, the hitter
Speaker 2: and pitcher that is like, you know, banging the ball out.
Speaker 1: What do you have fifty six home runs this year
Speaker 1: or something?
Speaker 4: Yeah, his souber injuries that hurt him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but just the fact that this guy,
Speaker 2: yeah he can't pitch right now, but he could still hit.
Speaker 1: You know, he wasn't even the big productive guy. It
Speaker 1: was just amazing. The guy.
Speaker 2: I think they gave the MVP two is isn't he
Speaker 2: the same guy who hit like a home run in
Speaker 2: each of the four first four games?
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I'm not sure what his name is, and
Speaker 3: I'm not up on these on these newer players on
Speaker 3: the Dodgers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the thing. But it was good every night.
Speaker 1: It was good. Yeah, it was good. Baseball was solid
Speaker 1: all the way around.
Speaker 2: Even it wasn't even like even when he had a
Speaker 2: high scoring game, it didn't, you know, even when the
Speaker 2: game went high scoring.
Speaker 1: What's happen to me?
Speaker 5: They kept it pretty good. Yeah, and they yeah, halfway
Speaker 5: through that after the ink, just wanted to get that game.
Speaker 5: And then the next day, halfway through it sure looked
Speaker 5: like they're gonna win again.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: They were even playing that Empire strikes Back music.
Speaker 3: So that's right.
Speaker 5: They know who they are. They're the Empire. We know.
Speaker 5: They don't need to tell us.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep. And the guy who yes question, what.
Speaker 3: What is your favorite five hundred?
Speaker 5: Well that's the whole thing. I'm not intimate NASCAR hold out,
Speaker 5: So I have to.
Speaker 1: Ask you, see now, why did you ask that question?
Speaker 1: If you're not even in the next car. This is weird.
Speaker 1: Why why did you need to know that from b Pete.
Speaker 1: I'm curious.
Speaker 5: I need to know things stories, some stories behind the stories.
Speaker 1: Oh uh, be Petey, there's something I must have missed here.
Speaker 3: What can you? Hell?
Speaker 2: Huh, there's something I missed here? I mean, are you
Speaker 2: just like taking a personality test from bpdre?
Speaker 1: Is that what we're doing here?
Speaker 2: You're gonna ask him a couple of other questions that
Speaker 2: won't make any sense to me, just to see what
Speaker 2: kind of guy he is.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is sating.
Speaker 5: It's nothing like that. Well continue, if he came au
Speaker 5: pot guy and his cars broke down offside the road.
Speaker 8: No no, no, not that, Oh no no, I need
Speaker 8: to know here.
Speaker 5: Here's what I want to know more about.
Speaker 1: In Roselle interrogate Away, I want to know more.
Speaker 5: I want to know more about Black Thursday. I want
Speaker 5: to know more about the nineteen seventy nine day two
Speaker 5: of five hundred. I want to know about Black Thursday.
Speaker 5: And I want to know.
Speaker 6: More about that Roselle that disappear.
Speaker 1: This is what I read, Roselle who disappeared? Yeah, well
Speaker 1: you're not talking.
Speaker 5: Yeah this show if you zo into this day I
Speaker 5: understanding is in nineteen seventy nine Day of five hundred.
Speaker 5: This kind of when NASCAR made it, when people actually
Speaker 5: started watching such.
Speaker 6: A big show.
Speaker 4: Well at that time, there's a big back then.
Speaker 3: That's that's when it was the old Winston Cup before
Speaker 3: the federal governments went after Joe Cammell and Winston had
Speaker 3: to pull their sponsorship of the entire series. And also
Speaker 3: back then, the Daytona five hundred was the second race
Speaker 3: of the year and not the first. They had changed
Speaker 3: it after that.
Speaker 1: But was it still called stock car racing then? Was
Speaker 1: it still called stock car racing.
Speaker 3: It's still called stock car racing, although it's not stock cars.
Speaker 3: Everything comes from a template. That's one of the biggest
Speaker 3: complaints that these.
Speaker 4: Teams have.
Speaker 3: They're regulated so much. They have been able to produce
Speaker 3: enough horsepower that if they somebody told me one time,
Speaker 3: these cars can go so fast if they turned the
Speaker 3: door sideways, they'd go airborne, meaning if you turn the
Speaker 3: doors like wings, they'd be taken off the horse power
Speaker 3: that these cars can generate now, but they started regulating things.
Speaker 3: Daytona is a super speedway, which means the restrictor plate racing.
Speaker 3: NASCAR came up with this side a while back on
Speaker 3: these bigger tracks Talladega, Daytona that.
Speaker 4: The cars.
Speaker 3: Had to be regulated, so they put in a restrictor
Speaker 3: plate under the old four barrel carburetor systems you have.
Speaker 3: You know, it sits on top of the manifold and
Speaker 3: your four barrels line up with barrels in the banifold
Speaker 3: to allow that gas mixture into the firing chamber.
Speaker 4: What they did is they called it's called restrictor plate racing.
Speaker 3: On these big tracks, they have to put a restrictor
Speaker 3: plate which restricts the amount of fuel that goes into
Speaker 3: the combustion chamber, and it actually slows the cars down.
Speaker 4: It impedes them.
Speaker 3: And one of the big complaints is we need to
Speaker 3: get rid of restrictor plate racing because all these cars
Speaker 3: they bunched up. People like to see rex. All these
Speaker 3: cars they bunched up on the track. Somebody makes them move,
Speaker 3: something happens, you're in a twenty car pile up. Oh,
Speaker 3: And that's great for the TV viewer, and that's great
Speaker 3: for the race fan, but it's not good for the
Speaker 3: race teams when you're tearing up multimillion dollar vehicles in
Speaker 3: one accident and you're having to haul it back to
Speaker 3: the shop as junk. So Daytona. You know, they used
Speaker 3: to race Daytona on the sand at Daytona beachs And
Speaker 3: they finally made the switch over the hard tavement once
Speaker 3: they built the dayton A system. But nowadays the cars
Speaker 3: are so regulated by NASCAR, they come up with a template.
Speaker 3: You know, back then you had you had Chevies, you
Speaker 3: had Fords, you had Mercury's, you had Buicks, you had
Speaker 3: all the makes. It started out these guys would get
Speaker 3: a car taken in their garage, fixed it up, take
Speaker 3: it to the racetrack at Daytona. You had all these
Speaker 3: different brands. Well now GM has gotten rid of everything
Speaker 3: except the Chevy. Ford doesn't run. You can't find a
Speaker 3: Mercury now. In fact, they did some tests a few
Speaker 3: years ago when the tourists came out and they were
Speaker 3: going to use the Ford Taurus, and they took the
Speaker 3: Mercury Cougar into the wind tunnel, which was basically a
Speaker 3: tourust frame and body, except a different front end and
Speaker 3: a different rear end, and they found out that the
Speaker 3: Mercury Cougar actually was better aerodynamically than the four Forests.
Speaker 4: Afford made a decision. We want Ford on that car.
Speaker 3: Not Mercury. We don't race Mercury's anymore. And you had
Speaker 3: Toyota come in. Okay, they're an American bill car. But
Speaker 3: the NASCAR organization has come up with these templates that
Speaker 3: these cars have to fit, and they have watered these
Speaker 3: things down to where now it doesn't matter whether you're
Speaker 3: in a Chevy Afford for a Toyota, a Camra compared
Speaker 3: to a Camaro compared to a Mustang on the street
Speaker 3: is one thing. On the dragstrip is one thing, But
Speaker 3: when it comes to NASCAR, you're basically driving the same
Speaker 3: car because of these templates that they have to fit
Speaker 3: these cars too. It's taking stock completely out of it.
Speaker 4: They're no longer Stocked.
Speaker 5: Made a name for itself in seventy one NASCAR, you know,
Speaker 5: they had rules about the sixth wing type cars. They
Speaker 5: basically wanted to get rid of those wings in the back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Challenger, You had the Dodge Challenger in the
Speaker 3: road Runner. You know this number of the super b
Speaker 3: that had the big wing on the back. Used to
Speaker 3: to qualify for stock cars under NASCAR, you had to
Speaker 3: have so many cars in production for it to count.
Speaker 3: It had to be an actual car people could buy.
Speaker 3: Now you could take it to your garage and jack
Speaker 3: up the engine and do what you want. But that's
Speaker 3: how I remember. The old Petty had a Dodge charger
Speaker 3: that had a wing on the back of it. There
Speaker 3: are cars, you know, they need to hear them and
Speaker 3: to rid his stuff.
Speaker 5: The first Gay in nineteen seventy one, this guy won
Speaker 5: the race with the wing after they they weren't banned
Speaker 5: at this point that they said, okay, if you want
Speaker 5: to use a fit screen, you have to have a
Speaker 5: less powerful engine. So Rosselli did it and he still
Speaker 5: won the race, and then he was highly in demand
Speaker 5: as a mechanic and engineering.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: But anyway, something happened in the early eighties. It was
Speaker 5: called Black Thursday, where seventy eighty NASCAR drivers were all
Speaker 5: busted for drugs monthly, and this Roselli was involved. Well,
Speaker 5: he was the only one of the only people not arrested,
Speaker 5: which might be why he disappeared. But this while I'm
Speaker 5: trying to find out if you know anything about me,
Speaker 5: did it happened in rural early eighties?
Speaker 1: Wasn't there a handful of guys that disappeared?
Speaker 9: You know?
Speaker 2: Between the seventies and the nineties from NASCAR are like,
Speaker 2: not just not just this Black Thursday or whatever it
Speaker 2: is you're talking about, but yeah.
Speaker 3: Jimmy's Jimmy's Jimmy's Jimmy's pulling saying Roselli. Right, you had
Speaker 3: Scooter on your show the other night. It's Maryel Rossi Rossi. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 3: he disappeared after a three hundred million dollars drug bust
Speaker 3: cost NASCAR a genius whose work could have helped save
Speaker 3: Dale earn Hard Senior's life.
Speaker 2: Okay, that Rossi is the guy. Yeah, that's one of
Speaker 2: the guys. And then there was another guy who disappeared
Speaker 2: for a couple of years and then showed up dead
Speaker 2: inside of a car, like in the middle of a
Speaker 2: desert right in uh in the late eighties.
Speaker 1: Not this guy, but another one.
Speaker 2: Like isn't there a slew of like weird unsolved murders
Speaker 2: that went on there for like over a twenty year
Speaker 2: period with NASCAR people, which, by the way, I got
Speaker 2: an interesting question for you because I never knew this,
Speaker 2: but I got a couple of things sent to me,
Speaker 2: one about it, one article about a squirrel. Maybe I'll
Speaker 2: get to later. But also an article about NASCAR, and
Speaker 2: I was a little shocked to find out when NASCAR
Speaker 2: was actually founded and some of the things that were
Speaker 2: going on when it was founded. So I want to
Speaker 2: ask you guys both some questions here. Jimmy James, do
Speaker 2: you know what year NASCAR was founded?
Speaker 5: Yes, roughly, because I've been a lot of study on this. Okay,
Speaker 5: it's like forty seven eight. Yes, started out as moonshiners.
Speaker 5: I know, they started out moonshiners, and many of the
Speaker 5: kios lived in the seventies, they switched to the Devils sleds.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing in nineteen forty eight.
Speaker 2: February twenty first, nineteen forty eight, it was founded, according
Speaker 2: to their official biography.
Speaker 1: But what's interesting here is is this part of it.
Speaker 2: Okay, NASCAR was founded by William Frantz Senior on February
Speaker 2: twenty first, nineteen forty eight, with the help of several
Speaker 2: other drivers of the time. The original plans for NASCAR
Speaker 2: included three district divisions distinct excuse me, distinct divisions, and
Speaker 2: the distinct divisions were modified roadster and strictly stock. Now,
Speaker 2: I remember when I was a kid, they were still
Speaker 2: calling a lot of this racing, stock car racing, and
Speaker 2: it sort of went away at a certain point and
Speaker 2: then everything was NASCAR. So I was always confused by this,
Speaker 2: and uh, well that's what a racar actually means.
Speaker 4: You know, NASCAR is the National Association for stock car
Speaker 4: auto racing.
Speaker 1: Okay, and the big thing was we had.
Speaker 3: But go ahead, Jimmy, I.
Speaker 5: Picked the distinction of these days would be MASCAR versus
Speaker 5: Formula One.
Speaker 2: And yeah, but Formula one is like those cars that
Speaker 2: are not shaped like cars, right, I mean they are
Speaker 2: those almost rocket shaped things. That's a whole other issue.
Speaker 1: That's yeah.
Speaker 5: Well nowadays, I mean that's why they still Carr Star
Speaker 5: Star Car because they're not like those things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because those things are, you know, weird, They're they're like,
Speaker 2: you know, the kind of race cars that they used
Speaker 2: to make beds out of them. They made beds that
Speaker 2: were shaped like those things at one point, right, That's
Speaker 2: what that's what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the NASCAR has expanded. I mean they have their
Speaker 3: their top three divisions now are the Cup Series, Exfinity,
Speaker 3: which is the it's basically the same car, the same car,
Speaker 3: but it's lighter as a smaller engine, so that's the
Speaker 3: Exfinity Series, and then you've got the Truck Series where
Speaker 3: they're racing trucks, but you also have lower divisions that
Speaker 3: you see a lot at these smaller local tracks. It
Speaker 3: will be a NASCAR event, but it's in one of
Speaker 3: their lesser divisions. And these guys, I mean, I think
Speaker 3: they sponsor stuff all the way down to go kart racing,
Speaker 3: and that's where a lot of these guys get their
Speaker 3: start is racing go karts and then open wheelers, and
Speaker 3: then they move up these divisions. And Tony Stewart was
Speaker 3: a big dirt track racer for a long time before
Speaker 3: he ever made the jump up to Exfinity into well,
Speaker 3: the Cup series used to be. I'm so used to
Speaker 3: saying Winston Cup because they've held it the longest sponsorship.
Speaker 3: But you know, NASCAR does have a lot of divisions.
Speaker 3: I think I don't know how many they've got. They
Speaker 3: sponsor over fifteen hundred races at over one hundred different
Speaker 3: tracks in the continental US, and they're also in Canada, Mexico,
Speaker 3: Brazil and Europe.
Speaker 4: I mean, they've gotten that big.
Speaker 2: And sometimes they do partial sponsorships because I actually, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, brought a spot on a race car. They
Speaker 2: used to be at the dirt track in New Egypt
Speaker 2: in New Jersey, and you know, so we had the
Speaker 2: thing that you know, was like go to go to
Speaker 2: my local exon that that I was sponsoring this thing
Speaker 2: for and uh we we had a little little bit
Speaker 2: like a sticker on his car that said this right.
Speaker 2: Uh it was you know, part of his paint job.
Speaker 5: And uh.
Speaker 2: That was on a dirt track and it wasn't a
Speaker 2: NASCAR event per se, but it was somehow partially supported
Speaker 2: by NASCAR. And on that same track they also ran
Speaker 2: what they call midget cars. And these are these like
Speaker 2: little tiny cars that they run. I don't know how
Speaker 2: to describe it, but they're they're kind of fast, and
Speaker 2: they're they're oddly shaped a lot of them, but they're
Speaker 2: very small. They're much smaller than irregular car. And the
Speaker 2: one of these aren't the funny cars. Funny cars they
Speaker 2: had at tracks like an English town, uh in New
Speaker 2: Jersey and stuff like that, and those were like, uh,
Speaker 2: the drag racers.
Speaker 3: And that kind of stuffy cars is a division in
Speaker 3: drag racing now. Yeah, it comes under the top fuel
Speaker 3: and funny cars. Remember the old uh, Don Trudeam the
Speaker 3: Snake and the Mongoose, two drivers that that matched up
Speaker 3: with Mattel and were sponsored by Mattel Toy Company.
Speaker 4: And you can go out and purchase you know, these
Speaker 4: models and and and small die casts.
Speaker 3: Don Garlets, to me, he's the greatest top field drags
Speaker 3: drag racer of all time. You know, John Force is big,
Speaker 3: but to me, I always remember Don Garlics because he
Speaker 3: was the name when it came to rail uh drag
Speaker 3: in my day, right.
Speaker 2: Well, but I remember seeing this stuff at what was
Speaker 2: at English Town, and there was another track and these
Speaker 2: were they would put the rocket propelled cars on and
Speaker 2: uh like that one car that walked like a dinosaur
Speaker 2: and the monster trucks would come out and crush a.
Speaker 1: Bunch of things. Uh you know, and they mixed all
Speaker 1: that together.
Speaker 2: But the funny cars and the drag racers and the
Speaker 2: fire spinning cars and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, that was totally different, you know, but but
Speaker 1: it was wild.
Speaker 2: I was just looking at this though, going, you know,
Speaker 2: how is it that they went from that thing where
Speaker 2: they got these three divisions to what it is we
Speaker 2: see today and what actually happened to stock cars.
Speaker 3: But like BP says, you get more, you see more
Speaker 3: stock cars in the lower divisions where a guy goes
Speaker 3: out and gets an old mailbox beater goes to work
Speaker 3: on it. What you're dealing with now is basically what
Speaker 3: engine is in it. That's what kind of car you're running.
Speaker 3: You're running a Chevy, you're running a Ford, or you're
Speaker 3: running this. It's a framework that's put together and then
Speaker 3: a bunch of sheet metal has been around it to
Speaker 3: make it kind of look like a car. It's not
Speaker 3: what it used to be. It has grown so big though,
Speaker 3: that it covers, Like I said, everything from go cart racing,
Speaker 3: Bruce Sprints modified up to you get into the actual
Speaker 3: stock cars, your Cup series and your Exfinity series. It
Speaker 3: used to be used to be Winston Cup and the
Speaker 3: Bush Cup when bush Beard sponsored things. But you know
Speaker 3: the government had.
Speaker 4: To stick their trum in it.
Speaker 3: You can't can't have Joe Cammell's sponsoring a car because
Speaker 3: a kid might see.
Speaker 4: It and start smoking. Well, they got rid of that mentality.
Speaker 1: Like the cigarette ads had to him off because you
Speaker 1: know you could see him on TV.
Speaker 2: And they also took it off and like say say
Speaker 2: Stadium had giant Marlborough signs, you know, baseball, and then
Speaker 2: they said, you know, you're not allowed to broadcast cigarette ads,
Speaker 2: but every time you turn on a Mets game, you
Speaker 2: got Marlborough Giant Marlborough banners.
Speaker 1: If somebody hits a deep fly ball or on your screen,
Speaker 1: aren't that you know?
Speaker 3: So if you hit the Marlboro man, you know, we
Speaker 3: donate one hundred dollars to children's cancer research.
Speaker 4: You know, that kind of stuff going on in all
Speaker 4: these dog barks.
Speaker 3: Well, it was funny because that's to a point that
Speaker 3: started this. You know, he asked me my favorite Taytotal race,
Speaker 3: and I said it's my most memorable one. But this
Speaker 3: guy that he's talking about, ROSSI is one of those
Speaker 3: innovators that came up with things that possibly could have
Speaker 3: saved Dale Earnhard Senior's life. And that's because he was
Speaker 3: the one who came with the modifications to the seat belts,
Speaker 3: was designing headdress, he was safety oriented in a lot
Speaker 3: of this technology that he came up with. And apparently,
Speaker 3: you know, the guy said he was a genius in
Speaker 3: the way he went about looking looking at at racing
Speaker 3: from the guy sitting in the seat, the problem was
Speaker 3: Earnhardt never embraced any of the Hams devices, of the
Speaker 3: Hans device that they use now which cuts down on whiplash,
Speaker 3: and that's what killed Dale Earnhardt. It's killed a lot
Speaker 3: of drivers over the years, we just didn't read about it.
Speaker 3: Earnhardt was the big name that it affected. And what
Speaker 3: was so memorable about that his son is leading the race.
Speaker 3: Another team member, Daryl Waltrip or Michael Waltrip, is behind him.
Speaker 3: They're running for the same owner. They're one and two.
Speaker 3: They're going to take the top two spots in this race.
Speaker 3: Dale Earnhardt is behind him, and the whole pack is
Speaker 3: behind Dale Earnhart. And we're on the final lap and
Speaker 3: Dale Earnhardt is doing what he can. Earnhardt has never
Speaker 3: thrown a race except this one. He could have been
Speaker 3: competitive that day. He sees his son about to win
Speaker 3: the greatest race in all of NASCAR. He does what
Speaker 3: he can to keep the field off their butts, and
Speaker 3: that's what cost him. He was holding up traffic. Somebody
Speaker 3: pulled up behind him. He had cars to the side
Speaker 3: of him, but it took the air off his rear
Speaker 3: spoiler and when he did, his back end got loose.
Speaker 3: And on these super speedway tracks, when your rear end
Speaker 3: gets loose just from the torque, immediately you start turning
Speaker 3: towards the wall. And that's what happened. Well, if I'm
Speaker 3: not mistaken, it was it was Kenny Wallace, No, not
Speaker 3: Kenny Wallace, Rusty Wallace, I think that's who it was,
Speaker 3: pulled up behind him, took the air off of him.
Speaker 4: He turned and went right into the wall.
Speaker 3: And it happened on the last lap. So you have
Speaker 3: them celebrating the Winter Circle. Dale Ear and R Juniors
Speaker 3: has just run one of the biggest race in racing
Speaker 3: and he didn't know, but his dad is already dead
Speaker 3: on the infield center when they got him out of
Speaker 3: the car. And that's why I remember it just being
Speaker 3: the most memorable because he had a father son racing
Speaker 3: and as a ben the son wins and the father
Speaker 3: ends up dying on the last lap to help provide
Speaker 3: the win for his son.
Speaker 2: Well look your voice, say, yeah, your voice is starting
Speaker 2: to break up. And you answered Jimmy James question, let's
Speaker 2: let you take a break. Let's let me take a break.
Speaker 2: It looks like Aaron Franz is not going to join
Speaker 2: us at ten PM. So you know, we're only ten
Speaker 2: minutes away from when the show should end, but instead
Speaker 2: we'll take a break, come back on the other side, uh.
Speaker 1: And see what else we can get to.
Speaker 2: I put Jimmy James on hold, but you out there
Speaker 2: listening to us can join us for the next little while.
Speaker 2: If we keep getting calls, I'll keep us on the air,
Speaker 2: but otherwise maybe we'll close it out after we get
Speaker 2: to a couple of things on the other side of
Speaker 2: this break, So stick around. The Ocelli effect continues after this.
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Speaker 2: back to him. Jimmy James is hanging on the line still.
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Speaker 2: slowed down some of my shows recently.
Speaker 1: Now I got out what two podcasts this week? Yikes?
Speaker 2: Not a lot, but you know, doing the best I
Speaker 2: can also released the video version of the Groden interview.
Speaker 2: It's up on the end advertised YouTube channel, which I
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Speaker 2: But the Ocelli effect is also upon Rumble and a
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Speaker 2: But Robert Goroden was on and we talked about the
Speaker 2: Zuppruter film and he wouldn't mind doing a return trip.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if he wants to come on after
Speaker 2: the conference or before, but either way, we're gonna hear
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Speaker 2: Mike Swanson said he wants to come back and do
Speaker 2: a recap on the conference. As he is the first
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Speaker 1: Yes me, Pete, you got a question?
Speaker 3: Yes, I haven't talked to Gail Nicks in a while.
Speaker 3: Is she presenting that this one?
Speaker 6: Anything?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: Good?
Speaker 1: We got Gail in there.
Speaker 2: I also last minute got them to add the guy
Speaker 2: from the Jacob Hornberger Freedom Freedom Foundation.
Speaker 1: Damn, I always forget it.
Speaker 2: It's triple fuh for Freedom Foundation. Jacob Hornberger, who has
Speaker 2: written what three books on the Zuppruter film slash the
Speaker 2: Kennedy Assassination.
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily agree.
Speaker 2: With Jacob's views, but I've had him on the show.
Speaker 2: Robert Groden is going to be presenting. I just had
Speaker 2: him on the show for the first time. Larry Hancock
Speaker 2: will be presenting virtually, David Boylin will be there in person.
Speaker 2: Doug Campbell, I believe, is going to be there. Scooter
Speaker 2: Joe is showing up. You know Joey Scooter, right.
Speaker 4: I just call him Scooter.
Speaker 1: Scooter Scooter is going to be scooting in.
Speaker 2: You know a bunch of people who you know, and
Speaker 2: some people I never heard of, including a couple of young'uns.
Speaker 2: In fact, that twenty five year old guy had on recently.
Speaker 2: Alex Harris is returning. Last year the youngest presenter I
Speaker 2: think ever at a conference at the age of fourteen,
Speaker 2: but back again at the age of fifteen in Dallas
Speaker 2: doing more photographic discussions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was.
Speaker 3: Able to go while I was home with the flu.
Speaker 3: This week, I was able to hit two and started
Speaker 3: watching a bunch of old documentaries had been put out there,
Speaker 3: and I was able to watch again all of uh
Speaker 3: when Dank Bar stuff and jud File collection and and
Speaker 3: even some of Judy Berudi's old stuff.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, James Files held on a second, James
Speaker 2: Files stuff is available on TB.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh wow, I did not. It wasn't that did
Speaker 3: the interview with him when he was in jail before
Speaker 3: he got out. Yeah, I've watched that just the other day.
Speaker 1: Well, there's two versions of that interview.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: One of them was recorded before WHIM had control of
Speaker 2: the James Files property, and that was the big deal one,
Speaker 2: the earlier one, and then there's another one they redid it,
Speaker 2: uh later on after when I watched.
Speaker 4: Both watched the one that Joe West did originally and then.
Speaker 3: Was put you know when it was part of he
Speaker 3: was actually a part of boat processes, you know, because
Speaker 3: he took over Joe West South eventually.
Speaker 1: Well he took it over from Bob Uh, the guy
Speaker 1: was a music promoter, Bob Damn.
Speaker 2: I can't remember the guy's name. But now he's like
Speaker 2: disavowed his connection to it. Like he's like now I
Speaker 2: realized it was no good, but only after he sold
Speaker 2: all of the all of the rights to.
Speaker 1: It to win.
Speaker 3: We didn't have control, but he was money and then
Speaker 3: I don't believe it right, he got his money and
Speaker 3: then said, somebody we haven't seen anything from in years
Speaker 3: is whim deny bar. You know, he's kind of true
Speaker 3: led the scene here on a few things, even.
Speaker 2: With James Files coming back around and last year when
Speaker 2: we were in Dallas where there was all kinds of
Speaker 2: rumors that he was supposed to be on the Knowll
Speaker 2: and I heard that maybe he had done a tour
Speaker 2: on the Knowll with you know, a selected group of
Speaker 2: people that went to go see James Files in Dallas
Speaker 2: to go hang out with him. He gave him a
Speaker 2: tour of the Knowell. This is where I was standing,
Speaker 2: and this is what happened. You know, did you hear
Speaker 2: about that?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 3: I would have liked to have been in on that
Speaker 3: because I got some questions about where he was standing
Speaker 3: in what was going on if what he said actually
Speaker 3: took place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do too, but I don't think he'd like
Speaker 2: my questions because you exactly.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I still.
Speaker 3: Have yet to have anybody debunk the fact that the
Speaker 3: research that I mean, even the FBI went and checked
Speaker 3: and said by phone records the whole time he was
Speaker 3: in Chicago. And that's where I learned the story that
Speaker 3: he supposedly had a twin brother. You know, files starts
Speaker 3: out in this interview saying, yep, and if you go
Speaker 3: and get a copy of a birth certificate, it will
Speaker 3: say deceased because I supposedly died at birth.
Speaker 4: Blah blah blah. And when it came up for his story,
Speaker 4: when his story came out that he was.
Speaker 3: There and all these people were involved, and he was
Speaker 3: doing this and doing that, you know, he claimed to
Speaker 3: spend a lot of time with Oswald that Oswald was
Speaker 3: accounted for and supposedly riding around and learning the.
Speaker 4: Area and the railroad tracks and the dead ends.
Speaker 3: And the blah blah blah. You know, it was kind
Speaker 3: of funny that, you know, he's spending all this time
Speaker 3: with Oswald when Oswalt was when people knew where he
Speaker 3: was at.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people had eyes on him here he was living there.
Speaker 1: I loved it because there was a certain point got
Speaker 1: me my favorite point. Wait a second, My.
Speaker 2: Favorite point is you know why he had, you know,
Speaker 2: gunshot residue on his hand because he was picking up
Speaker 2: my expended shells as we were out out testing the fireball, right,
Speaker 2: and Lee Harvey Oswald had he had gunshot residue on
Speaker 2: his hands for picking up my expended shells. I was
Speaker 2: cracking up.
Speaker 1: And then he shows you a picture and says, this
Speaker 1: is me in the hotel room.
Speaker 3: Traces on the palm of his hand, and it was
Speaker 3: because I told him to pick up those shells out
Speaker 3: there before we get out of here.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: And and also he shows you a picture of allegedly
Speaker 2: him in the hotel room at that time.
Speaker 1: You know who took his picture?
Speaker 2: In one of the interviews, he says, Lee Harvey Oswald
Speaker 2: took the picture, yeah, that you see of him as.
Speaker 1: A young man. And I'm like, this is hilarious.
Speaker 3: And supposedly the two guys standing there. Later later in
Speaker 3: the episode, he says that the guy that was standing
Speaker 3: beside him is the one that actually killed Tibby. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but he won't disclose his name.
Speaker 4: You're not going to do that, right, just killed me.
Speaker 3: But the claim came up that, you know, he was
Speaker 3: down here doing all this stuff and the FBI were
Speaker 3: checking phone records and things like that, and they put
Speaker 3: him in the hospital with his wife. And this is
Speaker 3: the first in since where I heard the story that supposedly,
Speaker 3: not only did he not die in childbirth, but apparently
Speaker 3: he had a twin brother that no one had ever
Speaker 3: heard of before. And it was his twin brother that
Speaker 3: was seen in Chicago with his wife while he was
Speaker 3: down in Dallas, right, And I think the twin brother,
Speaker 3: Nate said.
Speaker 2: I think the twin brother has since disappeared, though, b
Speaker 2: PTE Dsney because there's no birth.
Speaker 4: Record for got wiped out real quick.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's hilarious.
Speaker 2: You know what I love best is, you know, they
Speaker 2: did an interview with Jim Mars and they they have
Speaker 2: a you know, a complete, you know, formal edit of
Speaker 2: this thing of him in you know, in prison talking
Speaker 2: about this and that and the terrible water they're drinking
Speaker 2: and all that stuff, right, and Jim.
Speaker 1: Mars is interviewing him. But afterwards there were outtakes, right,
Speaker 1: stuff that they didn't use in the interview. Have you
Speaker 1: ever watched that part of it?
Speaker 4: No, I don't think I've seen that one yet.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I don't know when still sells this, But
Speaker 2: for a while he had a DVD out there that
Speaker 2: was you know, it was in a nice box.
Speaker 1: It looked good and everything.
Speaker 2: But it's like Files on JFK I think is the
Speaker 2: name of the documentary where they play certain parts and
Speaker 2: Joe West believed him in the FPI. I believed him
Speaker 2: and everybody believed James Files because he was there.
Speaker 1: And then they show you in the interview, you know.
Speaker 2: Anyways, afterwards though, there's other stuff going on, and he
Speaker 2: starts talking to him about you know, did you know
Speaker 2: this person?
Speaker 1: Did you know that person? James Miles knew everybody? Did
Speaker 1: you know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the female Judith.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but it's great because did you know Fletcher
Speaker 2: Proudy was my favorite one? Oh yeah, I knew Fletcher Proudy.
Speaker 1: He was a good man.
Speaker 2: And then Mars said where did you meet him? And
Speaker 2: he says, actually I met him in Vietnam.
Speaker 1: We were all over there.
Speaker 2: I'm cracking up. He says that he met Fletcher Proudy
Speaker 2: in Vietnam. Okay, and that they had done some operations
Speaker 2: together and he was a good man, a solid man.
Speaker 1: He knew him quite well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody, it's see about. The whole deal was he
Speaker 3: was seventeen when he went into the military, and at
Speaker 3: that time, your basic training was not like you know,
Speaker 3: the three months of the nine weeks it is now.
Speaker 4: You know, it was a lot longer.
Speaker 3: And he joined the Marine Corps and their training was
Speaker 3: actually longer than the Armies.
Speaker 4: When he came to Basin and they.
Speaker 3: Were saying, Okay, how was this guy a member of
Speaker 3: the Green Berets at seventeen and over in Laos and
Speaker 3: Cambodia running special ops with the Green Berets. It's just impossible.
Speaker 3: There's no record of him being in the military ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, forget that doesn't matter. There's no
Speaker 1: record of that. He couldn't.
Speaker 2: The only thing that I heard him say that was
Speaker 2: accurate in his interview that like stunned me a little
Speaker 2: bit was that he's the first guy I ever saw
Speaker 2: that didn't state that it was, you know, the head
Speaker 2: of the Chicago outfit at the time. Everybody always defaults
Speaker 2: to get you know, you know who they always say
Speaker 2: is the guy who was in charge of like the
Speaker 2: godfather of chicag Right, yeah, Giaconna. Well it's Gianna gi
Speaker 2: and Conna and supposedly gian Kanna sent him, right. Well,
Speaker 2: what's funny about that is at a certain point he
Speaker 2: does point out that g and Kanna.
Speaker 1: Even though most people believe he.
Speaker 2: Was in charge of the majority of things on the
Speaker 2: ground in Chicago, at a certain point he wasn't. There
Speaker 2: was another guy there named Toniocardo, and yeah he was.
Speaker 3: He was the head of the family before Giancanna took over.
Speaker 3: And that's one thing that killed me when this happened
Speaker 3: back in fifty five. And then Files comes up and says, well,
Speaker 3: everybody thinks Gioconna was running everything, but it was still
Speaker 3: a Cardo. Well, well that's not how this works.
Speaker 1: But Acardo was running certain things during certain.
Speaker 2: Time periods that he's talking about when he's giving the
Speaker 2: history leading up to and g and Conna didn't have
Speaker 2: absolute control of Chicago at the time of the assassination.
Speaker 1: That's a misnomer. He wasn't in control of everybody there.
Speaker 1: That wasn't the way it was. There were still people
Speaker 1: that were loyal to.
Speaker 2: The Ecardo faction that were running their own program as
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, in opposition to g and Conna. Okay,
Speaker 2: and a lot of people, even these mob historians, get
Speaker 2: this wrong. It wasn't unified. Everybody in the mafia was
Speaker 2: under g and Conna in Chicago circumstance. It just wasn't
Speaker 2: that way at the time. And when you start to
Speaker 2: look at who's who and who Rosellie would have dealt with,
Speaker 2: because he claims he went with Roselli, you know, Rosellie's
Speaker 2: with him, right, everybody's with him. You know, Lee Harby
Speaker 2: Oswald comes knocking on his hotel room door in Mesquite, Texas.
Speaker 2: He says at the time, right, and Lee Harby Oswald
Speaker 2: could drive, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Right, this stuff killed me. You know, I was hanging
Speaker 1: out with Lear Osma.
Speaker 7: It's me is you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the other stuff we don't pay a lot of
Speaker 3: attention to. But when he starts staying specifically I spent
Speaker 3: this much time with Lee Harvey Oswald, I'm going.
Speaker 1: No, you didn't. You see.
Speaker 2: But there's the problem. We know possible, right, we can
Speaker 2: account for Oswald really really well. In the seventy two
Speaker 2: hours leading up to the assassination. Let's be honest, And there's.
Speaker 1: No way that he has time to do half of
Speaker 1: what Files claims he did with him.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have the time or the wherewithal to do
Speaker 2: or to get to or to participate in half of
Speaker 2: what Files is talking about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what the day before they were out there, you know,
Speaker 3: getting all the weapons ready, and and you know Oswald
Speaker 3: was with him. Oswald was at work right a heart
Speaker 3: to be out in the middle of the desert near
Speaker 3: Mesquite and at work downtown Dallas at the same time.
Speaker 2: It is tough, I admit, but you know in certain
Speaker 2: people's worlds where Chuck Nicoletty was also known to be
Speaker 2: somewhere else at the time. But he claims he's the
Speaker 2: guy shooting from the down text building, right, Okay.
Speaker 3: Well, because no, no, no, See that's the funny thing
Speaker 3: about Files. Okay, he said, Nicolette, you know, he balked
Speaker 3: out because he got aborted, he got called off.
Speaker 1: Oh wait a.
Speaker 2: Minute, So Nicolette who took the shot because somebody else
Speaker 2: told him, you know, you shot too fast or some
Speaker 2: nonsense that he said, you did it, you know, you
Speaker 2: you acted too quickly.
Speaker 1: For some reason.
Speaker 4: It was Roselli.
Speaker 1: Roselli told him that okay, So who was who took
Speaker 1: the other shot? Then Roselli.
Speaker 3: He says he doesn't know, but one of them, one
Speaker 3: of them supposedly was fun and this was the story
Speaker 3: that came out. I still haven't figured out how they
Speaker 3: knew about these things just to put him out there
Speaker 3: in a narrative. But that's what Toss Plumbley comes in,
Speaker 3: because I've always had a question if the government was
Speaker 3: going to take out Kennedy, why would they send in
Speaker 3: an abort team three hours before the supposed assassination. Well,
Speaker 3: if you want to abort something, they knew who was
Speaker 3: involved in this.
Speaker 2: Somebody had to be on the opposite side of Somebody
Speaker 2: had to be on the opposite side of Elm Street
Speaker 2: to see him from the other angle where Tosh Plumley
Speaker 2: claims to be, even though photographically we can prove nobody
Speaker 2: was standing where he says he was and saw Kennedy's head.
Speaker 1: Go way back.
Speaker 3: But not only that, you've got an aboard team coming
Speaker 3: in that knows everybody that's on the assassination team. Yepwot
Speaker 3: that's where they were going to be. Why didn't they
Speaker 3: shoot the assassins? No would have aborted it right there.
Speaker 2: Really none of them got shot, right, none of them
Speaker 2: got shot or arrested, which would have been two ways
Speaker 2: to neutralize the assassination team. Right, get him into a
Speaker 2: jail cell and have somebody shank him in the jail cell. Oops,
Speaker 2: acts happened. Or just get him shot and killed on
Speaker 2: the streets somewhere. Oops, accidents happened.
Speaker 1: Or hire a.
Speaker 2: Cop to kill him in cold blood because he's carrying
Speaker 2: the weapon and sorry, but he pointed it at me.
Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, forensics would have been a
Speaker 2: whole lot more difficult to prove at that time. A
Speaker 2: Dallas cop saying this guy had guns on him and
Speaker 2: pointed it at me would probably be believed for the
Speaker 2: most part. So, you know, you could have taken one
Speaker 2: of the corrupt cops in Dallas, of which there were many,
Speaker 2: and you could have hired one of them to kill
Speaker 2: the Aboard team. So you could have dispatched all of
Speaker 2: those assets and neutralized the assassination team and made them,
Speaker 2: you know, adjuncts to the Aboard team.
Speaker 1: But you don't see any of that. But Tash Plumley
Speaker 1: says he saw it from the other side.
Speaker 3: He almost tek me about that whole narrative, you know,
Speaker 3: it was it was the CIA, and it was the
Speaker 3: mob got together, came up with this great plan and
Speaker 3: then at the last minute, the CIA backs out. The
Speaker 3: mom says, to hell with it, We're still going to
Speaker 3: get him. But the aboort team, who knew was on
Speaker 3: the exascination team, in fact, one of them was part
Speaker 3: of it, and he backed out. Oh no, it's been
Speaker 3: called off. I'm not going to shoot. That's how files
Speaker 3: got pulled in. So knows a backup, right, you know,
Speaker 3: because this guy's not going to fire. They knew this
Speaker 3: for forty assassination. How did they know that the one
Speaker 3: guy was going to back out because it got called off?
Speaker 4: If he got called off.
Speaker 1: That morning right right now? The whole thing is the
Speaker 1: thing is job.
Speaker 2: You know, how many layers are ridiculous, And what really
Speaker 2: is interesting to me is his speech pattern and the
Speaker 2: way he relates things. And people have done voice stress
Speaker 2: analysis on this interview.
Speaker 1: It's hilarious.
Speaker 2: The guy, you know, and I know we've all met
Speaker 2: somebody like this, because if ever you spent any time
Speaker 2: in a bar, you can find somebody who is in
Speaker 2: that bar that no matter what you mentioned, they know
Speaker 2: the person, They know the situation, they know about it somehow, right,
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what you mentioned.
Speaker 1: Hey, I was a boxer in nineteen sixty eight.
Speaker 2: But I was also part of the CIA, and I
Speaker 2: knew the mafia people, and I went to Cuba and
Speaker 2: I went to Mexico.
Speaker 1: And no matter what you bring up, they know somebody.
Speaker 2: They know some insider information because they're special and theyked well.
Speaker 1: See that's the thing. Judith has turned it into a
Speaker 1: serious art form.
Speaker 2: But we've all known people who seem to know everything, right,
Speaker 2: who just you know, you run into these people and
Speaker 2: they have a story for everything, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And Files is one of those guys that continuously builds upon.
Speaker 1: You know what it is. And I love his description
Speaker 1: of how he shot him.
Speaker 2: It doesn't match up to anything, but according to what
Speaker 2: he could have known at the time he went into prison,
Speaker 2: it makes a little bit of sense. But you know,
Speaker 2: things we learned after that, things we learned, you know,
Speaker 2: during that time period when he was locked up. It
Speaker 2: now no longer makes sense him shooting him in the
Speaker 2: temple with a you know, mercury bullet and exploding rounds
Speaker 2: and all this crazy stuff. Anyway, I'm gonna bring Jimmy
Speaker 2: James back on and we're probably gonna close this up.
Speaker 2: Nobody else has joined us, and like I said, no
Speaker 2: age of transmission transitions tonight. So let's close out our
Speaker 2: segment here by bringing Jimmy James back in and let
Speaker 2: him get off his chest. Whatever he wants or continuous interrogation.
Speaker 2: The time is yours, Jimmy, so.
Speaker 3: Go for it.
Speaker 5: My goodness, all I got was the I actually wanted
Speaker 5: to get into more of the Dixie mop if from
Speaker 5: where I was talking, and I just much want to
Speaker 5: get into that far per se.
Speaker 1: Oh Dixie Mapia.
Speaker 5: So I guess, yeah, yes, it would have led to that,
Speaker 5: And then that's the quest since regarding Thunderbolt grow and
Speaker 5: I wanted to get into some stuff there for some reasons.
Speaker 1: You know what's weird about the Dixie Mapia thing.
Speaker 2: Jimmy, let me ask you this about the Dixie Mapia thing,
Speaker 2: just to see where you're going.
Speaker 1: Maybe we can tie this all together.
Speaker 2: Actually, the Dixie Mafia has led to uh, you know
Speaker 2: the people's misunderstanding of this, okay, thinking that it works
Speaker 2: like the Italian mafia, thinking it works like a lot
Speaker 2: of other organized crime.
Speaker 1: It doesn't. It's a whole other animal.
Speaker 3: I am.
Speaker 5: I understand how the it's Yeah, you do, but the
Speaker 5: majority of people don't.
Speaker 1: Well, let me just throw something in here, because well,
Speaker 1: let me just throw something in here and then let
Speaker 1: you run with it.
Speaker 2: Okay, Uh, you might understand it, but I'm telling you
Speaker 2: ninety percent of people who mention it or have encountered
Speaker 2: it have no clue what they're talking about. Oh but
Speaker 2: they were involved with the Dixie Mapia, you know, and
Speaker 2: they bring up Charles Harrison and all this crap.
Speaker 1: Look, you guys don't understand how this works.
Speaker 2: If you're thinking it behaves anything like the Italian mafia,
Speaker 2: it bears no resemblance outside of the name.
Speaker 1: Okay. Next problem is this has led to guys.
Speaker 2: Who were rodeo clowns, you know, claiming that they were
Speaker 2: part of the assassination deal. There's other guys that were,
Speaker 2: you know, sort of like Southern tough guys who were
Speaker 2: involved in certain underground illegal activities one way or another,
Speaker 2: illegal fight clubs and.
Speaker 1: Cock fights and all kinds of weird stuff.
Speaker 2: Minor criminal organizations that were on a local level that
Speaker 2: had connections to the Dixie mafia. Some people have tried
Speaker 2: to suck them into you know, gun running operations, because
Speaker 2: more than one person has claimed to be the man
Speaker 2: to go get the guns, including that guy from The
Speaker 2: Irishman right, you know, the guy who claims that he
Speaker 2: went and got guns guns, who was a good god,
Speaker 2: he was an Irish guy, you know, and Robert de
Speaker 2: Niro played him in the recent Netflix movie The Irishman Right.
Speaker 2: He claims that he was the guy who supplied the
Speaker 2: weapons for the Kennedy assassination. At a certain point, all
Speaker 2: of these people who are you know, part of the
Speaker 2: different let's just call him the random white people of
Speaker 2: allegedly organized crime, whether it's Dixie Mafia, the Irish thugs,
Speaker 2: or whatever non Italian organized crime. There is such a
Speaker 2: weird variety of guys who are supposedly mechanics, rodeo riders,
Speaker 2: tough guys, underground fistfight dudes that have claimed to be
Speaker 2: part of this all built off of this misunderstanding and
Speaker 2: misuse of the concept of the Dixie Mafia. And what's
Speaker 2: fascinating is indeed the Dixie Mafia is an interesting group
Speaker 2: of individuals who are still to this day mostly on
Speaker 2: known Okay, even though they had a sort of sophisticated
Speaker 2: communication network, and even though they did have, you know,
Speaker 2: not the same kind of organized crime again as Italians,
Speaker 2: they had an organized system by which bigger operations could
Speaker 2: be undertaken, but they didn't succeed at a lot of
Speaker 2: the higher profile assassinations. Now they did kill local politicians
Speaker 2: in certain cases, but even in cases where they were
Speaker 2: involved in, say, plots to try and kill Martin Luther
Speaker 2: King Jr. Or people like that, they always seemed to fail.
Speaker 2: And a lot of their failures came from the fact
Speaker 2: that there were con men that were building off of it,
Speaker 2: raising money, even going around saying, you know, you want
Speaker 2: to contribute to getting rid of these you know, black
Speaker 2: rabble rousers, and people would give them money. And some
Speaker 2: of those guys had connections to the Dixie Mafia, and
Speaker 2: some of them didn't.
Speaker 1: They were just conment. It is a weird.
Speaker 2: Nexus that comes together with this, and I've always found
Speaker 2: it fascinating when people just throw that term out there
Speaker 2: and think that's the mic drop moment.
Speaker 1: Well, he was part of the Dixie Mafia. End of story.
Speaker 2: That don't mean jack, especially because the majority of the
Speaker 2: time you can't even prove who.
Speaker 1: Was actually part of the network, and half.
Speaker 2: Of the people that have claimed to be part of
Speaker 2: it or have claimed to be part of certain operations
Speaker 2: that led to gun running that led to you.
Speaker 1: Know, we helped opinion on Oswald.
Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't the Italian mafia contacted Ruby, it
Speaker 2: was the Dixie Mafia.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah, and on and on.
Speaker 2: A lot of it is just nonsense because people don't
Speaker 2: even understand the organization they're talking about and have no
Speaker 2: idea of the actual pool of people that's really available
Speaker 2: if you conclude that the Dixie Mafia was literally part
Speaker 2: of it. So I wanted to say all that, Jimmy,
Speaker 2: because I've always found this fascinating. Did people just throw
Speaker 2: that out there and then go and plus, here's the
Speaker 2: money oil men end the story, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Here's oil men, here's Dixie Mafia, and they're responsible.
Speaker 1: Just because it's wild.
Speaker 2: Anyways, Sorry, Jimmy, but you run with whatever you want
Speaker 2: and I'll let you and v Pete kind of close
Speaker 2: out the show.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, Yeah, I want to go to overtime.
Speaker 1: Well, we're already on overtime.
Speaker 6: I'm talking to eleven.
Speaker 2: Well, We're already twenty two minutes after so if somebody
Speaker 2: else calls in or you take you guys take a
Speaker 2: long time, we'll be there.
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, let's go with the flow. Go ahead, man,
Speaker 1: what do you got in mind?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 5: Yeah? The only reason, Yeah, Truck is absolutely right. It's
Speaker 5: a miss snow them were really to call them a mob.
Speaker 5: Some people called them the corn bread mobs. Some people
Speaker 5: called them the the interstate moby.
Speaker 6: This, that the other thing. But like Chuck said, they worked.
Speaker 5: Almost like the CIA cells.
Speaker 6: They weren't connected.
Speaker 5: They were just mostly career criminals who once in a
Speaker 5: while could help each other out. Very no real organization. Uh.
Speaker 5: And of fact, the parts I'm interested in is.
Speaker 3: More.
Speaker 5: No, I don't think that they had.
Speaker 6: Uh a substantial part to do.
Speaker 5: With I don't think they had.
Speaker 6: I think a couple other.
Speaker 5: Guys were forced to cooperate with the JFK assassination conspiracy.
Speaker 5: But I don't think they were horse raining compacted. I
Speaker 5: think they were plotting to kill r f K and MLK.
Speaker 5: But I think that Sir hanshn uh got Kennedy before
Speaker 5: they could. But I think that they did get MLK.
Speaker 5: But actually, uh, the thing is is a lot of
Speaker 5: the cute some well they're some of the cute. A
Speaker 5: lot of the Cubans were the Cuban exiles, and some
Speaker 5: of them that were involved, most likely with the Kennedy
Speaker 5: Manner situation. Uh man, they just they really stuck together.
Speaker 5: Uh you know, they go Congo, and they go being,
Speaker 5: and they go crime and then in the eighties international
Speaker 5: drug crime.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 5: I'm curious, what did Stu Wexler. You mentioned that he
Speaker 5: was bringing that up, so he must be kind of
Speaker 5: looking into the same lines I am. I'm guessing.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean he's looked at a lot of
Speaker 2: interesting connections and uh, you know some of these again,
Speaker 2: these fundraiser people. That's been the most interesting part of
Speaker 2: Stew's work in my mind, is you know that there
Speaker 2: were con men going around raising money and there were
Speaker 2: other guys that were literally, you know, raising money that
Speaker 2: was supposed to pay for bounties.
Speaker 3: Was that Oh.
Speaker 1: So I hit some.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I see where it is interested in is the
Speaker 5: sixties more than the John Burt's Society right wing stuff.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 5: What what interests me about these characters is that they
Speaker 5: would go on to do the Zee murderers and things
Speaker 5: so as such. Quite frankly, I have questions, says, to
Speaker 5: some of these people's allegiances, let's just say, to the country, right,
Speaker 5: especially some of the crap they were born in the eighties.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well it's an odd mix.
Speaker 2: You know, it's an odd mix because there are people that,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, we're doing some rather unpatriotic things that really,
Speaker 2: if you ask them, they thought they were acting on
Speaker 2: behalf of the you know, greater.
Speaker 1: Good of the United States.
Speaker 2: In some cases, I mean, some of the most criminal
Speaker 2: elements thought that that's what they were doing, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, in cutting side deals with you know,
Speaker 2: these organizations that the government couldn't get blamed for cutting
Speaker 2: side deals with and things, right. I mean, it's really
Speaker 2: a bizarre mix. It's very hard to untangle, Jimmy, So
Speaker 2: you know, good luck if you're going to try and
Speaker 2: untangle that. I've seen some interesting stuff, like you know,
Speaker 2: the work of say like Doug Valentine.
Speaker 1: On this is a hell of difficult to unravel. By
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 5: I love what John Fessor hand packed at once on
Speaker 5: his show he was quiff making out drug and a
Speaker 5: lags drug king in Miami who once said, hey, everyone's
Speaker 5: down here, says or Cia, So it must be a okay.
Speaker 1: There you go, and that.
Speaker 5: That was the kind of thing going on in the eighties.
Speaker 5: And there was just a lot of crap going.
Speaker 6: On in the eighties.
Speaker 5: I'm telling you this, this racer, Okay, he's an engineer.
Speaker 5: Then you got the thunderboat row.
Speaker 6: Guy who's cuban.
Speaker 4: What was his name?
Speaker 5: Ept if you're still with us, remember the speedboat. The
Speaker 5: guy invented cigarette boats.
Speaker 3: M hm, oh god.
Speaker 4: Lot, Reggie Fountain, I mean he perfected it.
Speaker 1: Let me see, invented cigarette boats.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was in the seventies, eighties with the.
Speaker 4: Drug was his name, Donald Ronel.
Speaker 5: From New Jersey, wasn't he.
Speaker 4: The Brooklyn, New York Sey was born.
Speaker 5: Well, he lived in Jersey.
Speaker 7: It costs for you too, Okay, thank you, East New Jersey,
Speaker 7: West New York, Donald Aronet.
Speaker 4: But he was.
Speaker 3: He made several boats that from his designs.
Speaker 1: Sorry say that I missed what you said there be Pete.
Speaker 3: What was that he said? He was he's been. He designed,
Speaker 3: he came up with the original cigarette boat design and
Speaker 3: from that he's worked with several boat builders Donzie Fountain,
Speaker 3: all of these you know companies to go to him
Speaker 3: for design work. He was really influential in the in
Speaker 3: the boat racing. I mean the boat was designed to
Speaker 3: smuggle cigarettes from Keywa of Florida. You know, he wanted
Speaker 3: something that would go. Now, nobody could catch him.
Speaker 5: Cigarettes. He was smuggling drugs. It wasn't him. People were
Speaker 5: using his boats. Okay, So in the eighties what they
Speaker 5: were doing in the seventies, they would have these motherships
Speaker 5: and they would just drop out these barrels of drugs,
Speaker 5: mostly weed back.
Speaker 16: Then some coote and then the guys would go out, yeah,
Speaker 16: speedboats and they would pick them up and they would
Speaker 16: just whizz by, and there's about ninety nine percent of
Speaker 16: them would make them back somewhere.
Speaker 5: All over the place. They would pull in so big
Speaker 5: border patrol curtain and catch them. And they got to
Speaker 5: the point that they couldn't catch them because this guy
Speaker 5: was building speedboats, which if you ever watched Miami Vice,
Speaker 5: the boats do there that speedboat or cigarette boats just
Speaker 5: what you would think of were the front like way
Speaker 5: up in the air almost because it's going so fast.
Speaker 5: But now this kuy was and he was murdered. He
Speaker 5: was shot murdered. Also corn Bread mobs type stuff going
Speaker 5: on there. I just find this fascinating. There's just this
Speaker 5: complete line of these same people doing these shenanigans.
Speaker 2: Well, at a certain point, there was a standard operating
Speaker 2: procedure where somewhere off of the coast of Florida, and
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say where, there would be drop
Speaker 2: zones where these guys would drop off a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of well wrapped packages that were meant to float out
Speaker 2: there and be picked up by a variety of boats
Speaker 2: and then brought back into the country so that nobody,
Speaker 2: you know, a short trip off of the coast, you
Speaker 2: go pick stuff up. Whether you're going out there with
Speaker 2: a speedboat or you're going out there with a fishing boat,
Speaker 2: didn't matter.
Speaker 1: They were coming back with huge packages.
Speaker 2: In some cases, they were wrapped in these like industrial
Speaker 2: strength plastic bags and then something was lashed to it
Speaker 2: that kept it floating and also allowed you to spot
Speaker 2: it in the water, but not from too far away.
Speaker 2: If you knew where the general drop zone was, you
Speaker 2: could be there almost immediately after a whole bunch of
Speaker 2: these things were dumped together, and they would retrieve the
Speaker 2: majority of the packages.
Speaker 1: This way, bring them back in that way, they're not
Speaker 1: going through any you know, inspection. Nobody sees them come
Speaker 1: back in.
Speaker 2: It's just a boat going out either to fish or
Speaker 2: cruise or whatever, and then coming back a little while later.
Speaker 2: Nothing to see here, folks. Huge amounts ended up on
Speaker 2: these boats instead of fish, instead of you know, just
Speaker 2: sits whatever. That was done in the eighties and nineties.
Speaker 1: I know that for a fact. Uh you know.
Speaker 2: As for the cigarette boat though, and by the way,
Speaker 2: it does say all over the internet this guy was
Speaker 2: New York based.
Speaker 1: They called him a uh let's see uh Ara now
Speaker 1: is a New York based NASCAR New York based racer and.
Speaker 2: Businessman, they say, who built the first cigarette boat with
Speaker 2: a long, sleek call that he thought resembled a cigarette.
Speaker 5: Okay, uh No, he definitely relocated to do South Florida.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably with his dad.
Speaker 3: Well, they actually moved their shop. They were working up
Speaker 3: north in the New York area. He's from uh Or
Speaker 3: she said, Bay Brooklyn, and.
Speaker 2: They started, Yeah, he started his own company in nineteen
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy.
Speaker 3: The cigaret side has to move, so they went south
Speaker 3: and that's how they ended up in Florida. Started building stuff.
Speaker 3: They built off In fact, their first shot with built
Speaker 3: off Highway one because in his first boat he was
Speaker 3: using Merk cruisers. That was the time that Holman Moody
Speaker 3: still had Home and Moody Marine and they were doing
Speaker 3: racing engines for boats. That's how correct Craft came across
Speaker 3: using the Holman Mooty Marine engines. Holman Moody was a
Speaker 3: big Nascar nat.
Speaker 2: The life of speed demon boat builder Don Aaron Now
Speaker 2: was cut short in a hail of bullets. Wow, he
Speaker 2: had left the lasting impression on the people.
Speaker 1: Where's this article here? Let's see.
Speaker 2: Legendary cigarette. Okay, Bob they just made. Don't make him
Speaker 2: like Don Aaron Now anymore. There's a whole thing on
Speaker 2: this about how he died, and I'm trying to follow
Speaker 2: up on it. Okay, passed the darker side that even
Speaker 2: he could not run, and in the end he wound
Speaker 2: up with nothing more than a target for an assassin's bullet.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It was in North Miami Beach when I got him
Speaker 4: in eighty seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see, I know the sleeping centers of mark
Speaker 2: I can retire. Looked like he was getting ready to retire,
Speaker 2: retire and go away. They show a boat called the
Speaker 2: cigarette one, which was apparently the one he built, the
Speaker 2: first one.
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 5: He had a hilarious scheme going on Chuck where he
Speaker 5: was so beloved and as a builder, that he would
Speaker 5: sell his companies, knowing perfectly well that he could just
Speaker 5: go start a new one and everyone, all of the
Speaker 5: same customers are just going to go right to his
Speaker 5: news shop. And at that point he even had the
Speaker 5: EA as a customer because they needed boats to keep
Speaker 5: up with his other boats. So some dummy that was
Speaker 5: actually one of these drug dealers said hey, I'll buy out.
Speaker 5: He said, okay, and then he just went and started
Speaker 5: the other company in the DA and everyone went to
Speaker 5: him for their business. So that was one of the
Speaker 5: reason people hated him.
Speaker 2: So Donzie to Teleflex. Then he bought a parcel of
Speaker 2: Bland immediately west of them.
Speaker 3: Manum Donzie was a boat company that they started and
Speaker 3: when he sold it, he sold it to Teleflex, who
Speaker 3: was one of the biggest instruments manufacturers for boats.
Speaker 4: In fact, when I bought when.
Speaker 3: I redid the correct craft, I had Teleflex instruments in
Speaker 3: the dash.
Speaker 1: Yeah I'm just skimming through. That's all correct, but it's
Speaker 1: very interesting. He's got a hell of an interesting history
Speaker 1: that does end rather abruptly.
Speaker 3: As they said in the article there, I didn't know
Speaker 3: that the movie Speed Kills with John Travolta it was
Speaker 3: based on this guy's story.
Speaker 1: Ah, here we go. You know why New Jersey comes up?
Speaker 1: Here we go? He was a kid from Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn.
Speaker 2: By age twenty one, Aaron now found himself married and
Speaker 2: about to start a career in his father in law's
Speaker 2: New Jersey construction company. His father in law had a
Speaker 2: construction company over there. Well, Okay, Brown, Shirley, Shirley Brown
Speaker 2: was his first wife. Her father was extremely wealthy, and
Speaker 2: Don once told me he was going to take Shirley
Speaker 2: to California if the.
Speaker 1: Old man didn't cut him into the business. Let's see.
Speaker 2: Working with the family for a few years, then he
Speaker 2: went off started building homes and shopping centers, industrial parks
Speaker 2: all over northern New Jersey, and he eventually became Yeah,
Speaker 2: so he did construction in northern New Jersey.
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough. Yeah, that's yeah, that's the New Jersey connection.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to find out about that.
Speaker 4: But there it is, Slay, everything's connected to Jersey.
Speaker 3: Somewhat somehow.
Speaker 2: If it's bizarre or extremely dark or just crazy, you'll
Speaker 2: find a new Jersey connection. It's just the way of
Speaker 2: the world anyway. Guys, it looks like nobody else is
Speaker 2: going to join us on the conversation tonight.
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm about three. What time is it?
Speaker 2: Let's see, Hey, it's about twenty to eleven, So we've
Speaker 2: gone some extra time here tonight.
Speaker 1: And I want to give you know, first.
Speaker 2: Jimmy James a chance to speak his peace, give shout
Speaker 2: outs or whatever he wants, and then be Pete and
Speaker 2: then we're done. So Jimmy, how would you like to
Speaker 2: conclude your thoughts through the evening here on this Friday night?
Speaker 6: Why hope good nuts week? I call in get people
Speaker 6: want followers and listeners. I hope everyone will be the
Speaker 6: league because the election will be over. I hope they
Speaker 6: will be believable, and I believe everyone will hopefully just
Speaker 6: settle the hell.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and.
Speaker 5: The Lions are gonna go deep the crap out of
Speaker 5: the factors the way we've been destroying every team in
Speaker 5: our way.
Speaker 6: Here you go, very proud of it.
Speaker 3: I'm part of that, check you're part of it.
Speaker 6: Let's me down there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's me down there and the truth nice. That's yeah.
Speaker 1: Well look, I'm happy for you.
Speaker 2: I'm happy for whoever's winning out there, and I'll be
Speaker 2: real happy if the selection concludes and you know what,
Speaker 2: we get calm finally, shut the hell up, no more
Speaker 2: as it's no more debating over this and whatever the
Speaker 2: outcome is, accept it. Shut up, move on, please please.
Speaker 2: I know I'm not going to get my wish, but
Speaker 2: that's all I want is just shut up and move on,
Speaker 2: you know what. And I still stand by my prediction.
Speaker 1: Trump is going to.
Speaker 2: Win, but it's going to be close. So who's going
Speaker 2: to contest Who's going to cause the problem? We'll get
Speaker 2: to see right then and there, Jimmy, I thank you
Speaker 2: for calling in. And also you're the executive producer for
Speaker 2: tonight's show, so we'll put Jimmy on hold and Bepete
Speaker 2: your final word for this week.
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm just I gotta make it through Tuesday. If I
Speaker 4: make it through Tuesday, I'll be all right.
Speaker 3: But I'm at the point right now I'm just ready
Speaker 3: to start fighting people over this whole time.
Speaker 4: This has been the worst political season. I think I've
Speaker 4: ever seen in all my years.
Speaker 3: I just hope the next one's better. Two years, we're
Speaker 3: gonna be going through this again in the mid terms.
Speaker 1: You think we're gonna he won't be the same intensity.
Speaker 1: Do you think now it won't be.
Speaker 3: The same intensity. It will depend on It's going to
Speaker 3: depend on if the House and the Senate change in
Speaker 3: this election. Uh. You know now they're predicting that it's
Speaker 3: possible that it could be a GOP sweep of everything.
Speaker 3: And then Trump is going to have everybody in place
Speaker 3: for him to do what he wants, and we're gonna
Speaker 3: see what gets done. And we're going to see if
Speaker 3: things get shift, budgets change, and the waste goes away.
Speaker 3: Although this isn't an interesting thing I thought about today,
Speaker 3: if Trump wins and follows through by putting Elon Musk
Speaker 3: in charge of government waste and things like that, I
Speaker 3: would make this suggestion that his first move ought to
Speaker 3: be to go to ram Paul and go, hey, he
Speaker 3: always wanted to audit the FED now as I would
Speaker 3: love to see that happen. Well. Of anything that comes
Speaker 3: out of this, that could be the best result to me.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, if he does that if he
Speaker 2: actually does that and then you know, follows through on
Speaker 2: the other things. I think tomorrow they're going to have
Speaker 2: a discussion on a live podcast somewhere. Is Trump going
Speaker 2: to follow through on releasing the JFK files. I'll tell
Speaker 2: you what, if he actually does the right thing with
Speaker 2: the JFK files and turns around and has an audit
Speaker 2: of the FED, and I mean a real one, I'll
Speaker 2: change my position on Trump.
Speaker 1: Entirely and tell you that.
Speaker 3: I think it's possible it could happen. Now.
Speaker 4: I mean, how long has Ran Paul been calling for.
Speaker 3: It?
Speaker 2: Depends on how you want to look at it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because his father called for.
Speaker 1: It for a long time.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, So you know this might be if it's
Speaker 3: a perfect storm and everything falls into place. They've got
Speaker 3: the Senate, they've got the Congress, they can get something passed.
Speaker 3: They could get some legislation in there. You might see
Speaker 3: the FED being audited out of all this. Unless somebody
Speaker 3: is holding a note that could affect Trump in his businesses.
Speaker 4: Well that would be the only way they could keep.
Speaker 13: It from happening.
Speaker 4: But now on the JFK files, the minute.
Speaker 3: If Trump wins this thing, his supporters need to start
Speaker 3: making that demand and hold his feet to the fire.
Speaker 4: Said you said you were going to do it the
Speaker 4: first time, you just do you backed out on it?
Speaker 3: Now do it? Put up or shut up. And it
Speaker 3: could really make for a long four years from him
Speaker 3: and if he doesn't do it, But there's a chance
Speaker 3: for a huge change in things depending on how the
Speaker 3: house goes so in two years, you know, usually the
Speaker 3: following midterm, after an incumbent comes in, things swapped whatever
Speaker 3: he had in control of when he came in and
Speaker 3: had swaps to the other party. We see it happen
Speaker 3: a lot in the midterms, and it's usually right after
Speaker 3: the guy comes in. So I don't know, we'll see.
Speaker 3: This is going to be very interesting and hopefully we'll
Speaker 3: learn something within the week after Tuesday's if he's got
Speaker 3: to pick enough lead. And based on Napoland, so many
Speaker 3: people had indicated that it could happen that he wins
Speaker 3: by enough of a margin that we're not sitting here
Speaker 3: dicking around until December to figure out who actually won. Well,
Speaker 3: I could be solid enough that we know the answer
Speaker 3: by the end of the week.
Speaker 1: Well, the way I see it is, I doubt he's
Speaker 1: going to no matter what his supporters.
Speaker 2: Say, no matter what anybody tries to hold his speak
Speaker 2: to the fire, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: If he gets in there, I doubt we're going to
Speaker 1: see any of these things actually happen.
Speaker 2: I think it'll just be the agenda that he I
Speaker 2: think he's got an agenda in mind, and it's got
Speaker 2: nothing to do with, you know, the games that we
Speaker 2: played here with the public displays. I think, just like
Speaker 2: any other politician, he's gonna, you know, be full of
Speaker 2: crap when it comes to a lot of his promises,
Speaker 2: just like everybody else. This is normal, and then we're
Speaker 2: going to go to the abnormal where Trump is going
Speaker 2: to do stuff that is not normal. And I just
Speaker 2: hope that we do actually benefit from it.
Speaker 4: But I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think the pressure is going to be put on
Speaker 3: him to release the JFKA files.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it should have been on him already, but
Speaker 2: they don't pressure him. His supporters don't follow through on
Speaker 2: the pressure.
Speaker 1: So it is what it is. And I think we're
Speaker 1: going to get what we're going to get, and I
Speaker 1: just hope.
Speaker 2: That we can get to the mid terms without you know,
Speaker 2: the country imploding on itself. But you know what, audit
Speaker 2: the FED release the JFK files. I will have a
Speaker 2: completely different attitude about this guy.
Speaker 1: I really will.
Speaker 2: That's why I doubt it's going to happen at all.
Speaker 2: But I guess we'll all have to stay tuned and
Speaker 2: hope that all hell doesn't break loose. You know, on
Speaker 2: the overnight too.
Speaker 3: He's got Tulsi on his team now. Who never knows,
Speaker 3: she might be able to talk him into it. I
Speaker 3: think that's one of the greatest things come out of
Speaker 3: this whole thing. This year's Toulsy Gavin finally became a Republican.
Speaker 1: I think it was just.
Speaker 3: Amount of time.
Speaker 1: Do you just have the hots for Tulsi? Is that
Speaker 1: what you need to tell us is that where it's at?
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 4: I said that from day one.
Speaker 3: You got to see that girl in the damn bikini.
Speaker 3: Excuse me, woman, you know, let's give her some respects.
Speaker 3: He is an officer in the National Guard. Wow, Cort
Speaker 3: has served well.
Speaker 4: But you know, you got to admit hell a lot
Speaker 4: better looking at Hillary.
Speaker 1: Well that's a low bar, Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But which would you rather look at for the
Speaker 3: next four years? Jillry in the background running her mouth
Speaker 3: or someone that votes for Gavin. See, when I told you,
Speaker 3: I told you i'd vote for her, you didn't. You
Speaker 3: didn't think. I don't think you.
Speaker 4: Thought I was serious.
Speaker 3: But when I thought she's a Democrat, I could vote
Speaker 3: for she's enough to the center. She served in the military,
Speaker 3: she's not an airhead. She definitely knows her business. And
Speaker 3: I was serious about it when I said i'd vote
Speaker 3: for it. And I think you didn't think I was
Speaker 3: all game. And all it took was one year. No,
Speaker 3: I believe it came around.
Speaker 2: Listen, I believe you could vote for her, though I
Speaker 2: did believe that. You know why, because I didn't believe
Speaker 2: her being a Democrat. I didn't believe her being I
Speaker 2: knew where she stood. She belongs on the GOP side.
Speaker 2: She always did, no matter how she tried to pump
Speaker 2: things out in the public, she belonged on the GOP side.
Speaker 2: That was the problem in my mind. It's like you're
Speaker 2: trying to pretend that you belong with these, with the
Speaker 2: you know, with with with the Democrats.
Speaker 1: You don't. So No, I believe she could have.
Speaker 9: Stayed a Democrat. I think she's like RFK. I think
Speaker 9: she could have stayed a Democrat. The party had gone
Speaker 9: away from her. Yeah, but that is because one of
Speaker 9: these people I think that really believed in it. When
Speaker 9: she was in office, she was a Democrat, but she
Speaker 9: was more of a centrist.
Speaker 3: Than anything else. It's like I said, you know, a
Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago, the majority of the countries in
Speaker 3: the middle, they're not only on those extreme rights, they're
Speaker 3: not only extreme left. They're pretty much middle of the road. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but just encompassed a lot of that.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 3: We thought, you know, you kicked the wrong party, lady,
Speaker 3: and now she's buying me seeing the life anything, I
Speaker 3: am pleased regardless of how this what the outcome of
Speaker 3: this election is, Chelsey Gabbert is finally a republic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fine, because that's where she belongs.
Speaker 2: RFK doesn't belong with the Democratic Party either, That's why
Speaker 2: they've rejected him. Whether they are the nut the nut
Speaker 2: jobs and the same Democrats all reject RFK Junior because.
Speaker 1: He doesn't belong there.
Speaker 2: And I actually like a lot of what RFK Junior's
Speaker 2: positions are, but he doesn't belong with the Democrats either.
Speaker 2: So totally not surprised that both of those people are
Speaker 2: now on the Trump train. That's right, Willhelm. Anyways, guess
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