Speaker 1: Baby, I'm a gamester too. It takes a little tangle.
Speaker 2: You don't mess with me.
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Speaker 3: This podcast is designed to take you outside of your
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Speaker 4: This ain't my first time at the rodeos.
Speaker 5: Welcome to the Occult Rejects.
Speaker 6: Tonight we got a returning guest, a fan favorite, somebody
Speaker 6: that I've been asked actually to have on multiple times,
Speaker 6: and even people on the show were like, yo, you
Speaker 6: gotta get.
Speaker 5: That doing anything.
Speaker 6: We got Ernie from Virginia's for Conspiracy Lovers. But before
Speaker 6: we get to him and introduced the other rejects with us.
Speaker 5: Tonight, we got Julia returning. What is up again, Julia?
Speaker 3: How are you?
Speaker 6: Is great to see you back on it.
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me, Nick.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think we talked about the Knights of the
Speaker 7: Golden Circle or something like that last time. Really super
Speaker 7: interesting topic and I can't wait to get into Shakespeare tonight.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be awesome. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 6: Oh, of course, of course. I actually this would be
Speaker 6: great for you, I thought and Ethan, my man, So
Speaker 6: what is going on?
Speaker 5: How are you?
Speaker 1: Nick?
Speaker 2: Julia?
Speaker 1: Great to see you as always, Thank you Nick for
Speaker 1: putting everything together. Ernie, it's great to meet you. I'm
Speaker 1: excited about this. A lot of conspiratorial threads connect to Shakespeare,
Speaker 1: so it's a great, great topic of discussion. Ethan go Smith.
Speaker 1: On all the social media, I can be easily found,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate people reaching out and communicating. And I
Speaker 1: have written a few books and write articles frequently. I
Speaker 1: got a Tischi article coming out soon if I can
Speaker 1: get it together in a little video to sharing some instruction.
Speaker 1: So yeah, appreciate everybody.
Speaker 5: Cool, nice, make it happen.
Speaker 6: Yeah, before we introduced Ernie, it's probably more for the
Speaker 6: people might catch this a lot because this episode will
Speaker 6: drop on audio after the fact. But if you happen
Speaker 6: to be in Arizona but more, I guess I kind
Speaker 6: of hope by Scottsdale or Phoenix, Arizona, me and Headless
Speaker 6: will be out there. December fifth to the seventh. We
Speaker 6: were blessed with three three tickets to go to this
Speaker 6: quest for Ancient Civilizations, so I figured, fuck it when
Speaker 6: I go. It's a three day event. Over over in Scottsdal, Arizona.
Speaker 6: Not saying to go check it out, that you know,
Speaker 6: to come to the event, but if you're in the
Speaker 6: area and you actually want to meet up or anything,
Speaker 6: I'm sure we'll be around after the factor, I mean,
Speaker 6: or if this stuff interests you only check it out,
Speaker 6: maybe I'll include like the link for it in the
Speaker 6: show after the fact.
Speaker 5: But yeah, anybody in the area.
Speaker 6: Hit us up, those three days, will be around, come
Speaker 6: come out, get your fucking stone.
Speaker 5: Sure.
Speaker 6: So yeah, uh, just put that out there now, Ernie, sir,
Speaker 6: Please the people who have not had the pleasure of
Speaker 6: hearing you before. Well, first off, I would like to
Speaker 6: remind that he has done a few shows already, go
Speaker 6: check them out. Definitely rabbit holes. Actually, somebody we were
Speaker 6: making jokes earlier saying that with Julie and him here
Speaker 6: we should be talking about rabbit holes and be holes.
Speaker 6: So yeah, so please Ernie, let everybody know what your
Speaker 6: deal is and who you are.
Speaker 2: So for the new people, Yeah, so yeah, Ernie leb Breck,
Speaker 2: I'm me and a buddy do Virginia's for conspiracy lovers
Speaker 2: podcasts anywhere where podcasts are found. We got a YouTube
Speaker 2: page same name I did finally change it to where
Speaker 2: everything all the same names, so you can you can
Speaker 2: actually find us but on Instagram, Facebook and uh and
Speaker 2: YouTube I can. But uh, yeah, just a conspiracy nerd
Speaker 2: that stumbled onto some of my own like kind of
Speaker 2: personal research and decided to start doing a podcast that's
Speaker 2: kind of conspiracy Virginia based because the more I'm from
Speaker 2: Virginia and the more and more I looked into it,
Speaker 2: it's like all roads led back to to Virginia with
Speaker 2: all this craps. So so that's that's where we're at.
Speaker 2: We've been on hiatus for a couple of months because
Speaker 2: I'm moving this studio out of this closet into the
Speaker 2: into the garage. So but we'll be back and we've
Speaker 2: got some We've got some bangers, like in the hole.
Speaker 2: So but yeah, check us out.
Speaker 5: It makes that happen. Now.
Speaker 6: The first show, the last show that you did was
Speaker 6: yet the Nights of Golden Circle, the Golden Horseshoe or
Speaker 6: some shit like.
Speaker 2: Maybe that we did the Golden Horseshoe, Yeah, yeah, which
Speaker 2: was the weird expedition trying to find a pass through
Speaker 2: the Blue Ridge Mountains by Governor Alexander Spots would and
Speaker 2: my whole life. We've all heard the story, and it's
Speaker 2: it's a nothing story that you hear. There's a little
Speaker 2: sign in the Blue Ridge Mountains, little little obelisk monument
Speaker 2: to it. And then, of course, like anything in Virginia history,
Speaker 2: the more you the more the deeper you get into it,
Speaker 2: the more it seems weird. And it, in my personal opinion,
Speaker 2: by the end of it, it looked like a a
Speaker 2: Masonic like maybe the first Masonic ritual to take place,
Speaker 2: like kind of officially it happened like seventeen fourteen, just
Speaker 2: three years before like Masonry's public you know, like kind
Speaker 2: of coming out party, and it's we talked about it. It
Speaker 2: was just a ton of aristocrats on this expedition across
Speaker 2: a mountain to supposedly find the pass through the mountains.
Speaker 2: But they'd already found the pass, and like the the
Speaker 2: guides that took them, uh, were the the rangers were
Speaker 2: the ones who had already found the pass through the
Speaker 2: Blue Ridge. And then they get over the Blue Ridge
Speaker 2: and they named the Shenandoah River the Euphrates, and then
Speaker 2: they crossed the Euphrates and have this big party and
Speaker 2: just all the different people on the expedition were just
Speaker 2: super glowy Jacobites and Huguenots and Masons and first kind
Speaker 2: of Virginia families. And then there was this whole presenting
Speaker 2: of these guys when they came back with these golden
Speaker 2: horseshoe that had jewels in them and different jewels for
Speaker 2: for different guys. And the guy the only real account
Speaker 2: that we have of it is and I can't remember
Speaker 2: the guy's name now, but that guy was crazy, crazy,
Speaker 2: interesting Huguenot from Ireland who ended up marrying a woman
Speaker 2: named Mary Magdalen. And uh, yeah, it's go back and
Speaker 2: listen to that one. It's it's weird, man, It's it's.
Speaker 5: I remember, I remember.
Speaker 6: There was a lot to it, Like I felt like
Speaker 6: there was like a lot of different things.
Speaker 2: Wait do you wait? Do you do you hear this nonsense?
Speaker 5: I'm gonna awesome at you.
Speaker 6: All right, So I guess unless anybody's got it something
Speaker 6: asking or whatever, yes, y, maybe you can just start
Speaker 6: all right, if you don't mind me asking. It was
Speaker 6: just like something you stumble the grocer and you're like, oh,
Speaker 6: there's something.
Speaker 2: Here or yeah. So I, like I've said before, my
Speaker 2: personal research is based on Williamsburg. I was born and
Speaker 2: raised in good old Colonial Williamsburg in the shadow of
Speaker 2: Campus of William and Mary and about seven or eight
Speaker 2: years ago I kind of stumbled into I'd probably watched
Speaker 2: National Treasure or The Da Vinci Code too recently, and
Speaker 2: happened to be down buying a gift for somebody in
Speaker 2: Colonial Williamsburg and noticed a the two oldest roads in
Speaker 2: the country, Jamestown Road and Richmond Road, which kind of
Speaker 2: create the Historic Campus. They come to a point like
Speaker 2: a triangle, and I think that I saw that and
Speaker 2: I was like, I got to look at this on
Speaker 2: Google Earth. And then that opened up a ton of
Speaker 2: stuff to the point where I took my research to
Speaker 2: the director of the Historic Campus and they were kind
Speaker 2: of blown away, and I, you know, digging into it,
Speaker 2: and it gets weirder and weirder, and you eat thinking
Speaker 2: that I was kind of too dumb to have figured
Speaker 2: this stuff out myself, and so I just kept trying
Speaker 2: to prove myself wrong. And the more I dug to
Speaker 2: prove myself wrong, the more crap I found. And then
Speaker 2: I started to find some things that were absolutely undeniable,
Speaker 2: Like I shared it on one of the episodes with
Speaker 2: you guys the incode of the Great Pyramid of Giza
Speaker 2: on that triangle of land that also points directly to
Speaker 2: the Great Pyramid of Giza and is the exact sit
Speaker 2: So there's all that. So all my personal research does
Speaker 2: kind of I say it revolves around Williamsburg and Virginia,
Speaker 2: but because of that, that means it revolves around everything.
Speaker 2: The beginning of masonry in this country Francis Bacon, and
Speaker 2: then from there it just keeps going back and back
Speaker 2: and back and forward and forward and forward. And so
Speaker 2: for this one, because I lived in Williamsburg and my
Speaker 2: mom is a big Shakespeare nerd herself, I've been getting
Speaker 2: dragged to to Shakespeare plays a year since I was
Speaker 2: nine years old. So I've seen everything that the entire
Speaker 2: Shakespeare cannon in every format you could think of. William
Speaker 2: and Mary has one of the largest Shakespeare festivals in
Speaker 2: the country, the Virginia Shakespeare Festival at William and Mary
Speaker 2: and put put together in the Phi Beta Kappa Hall.
Speaker 2: So I've seen everything from Taming of the Shrew adapted
Speaker 2: to nineteen twenties like Cuban Cuban beach style, to you know,
Speaker 2: like traditional plays and everything in between. And when I
Speaker 2: was nine, I couldn't stay you know, I had no
Speaker 2: idea what they were saying was happening. But the you know,
Speaker 2: the the older I got, I kind of learned to
Speaker 2: speak the language of Shakespeare and really kind of fell
Speaker 2: in love with the plays. And so really one of
Speaker 2: the first things that got me into kind of the
Speaker 2: conspiracy world was the Shakespeare authorship question. And just to
Speaker 2: skip over all the because I've got a lot of
Speaker 2: crap here, but we're in the conspiracy world, so I
Speaker 2: don't believe that Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare, and we can kind
Speaker 2: of skip all that. I'm part of the camp that
Speaker 2: believes Francis Bacon is Shakespeare, and for me a little differently,
Speaker 2: I'm not a total Baconian. I think it was more
Speaker 2: Francis Bacon by committee. He had a literary society called
Speaker 2: the Society of the Helmet, who just so happened to contain,
Speaker 2: like all the members were all the different people that
Speaker 2: people put forward as possible shapes Shakespeare authors. So seventeenth
Speaker 2: Earl of Oxford, the Countess of Pembroke, Sir Walter Raleigh,
Speaker 2: William Stratchey, who will play an important role in this research.
Speaker 2: So all these guys that they've put forward that could
Speaker 2: be the alternative to who wrote the Shakespeare plays were
Speaker 2: part of Francis Bacon's literary society, called the Society the Helmet,
Speaker 2: named after their patron, muse Athena, because she wore a
Speaker 2: helmet and was known to shake her spear in the
Speaker 2: her sphere of knowledge in the face of the beast
Speaker 2: of ignorance. Right. Uh, And then just so happens that
Speaker 2: a man obsessed with Francis Bacon, a Williamsburg legend mentor
Speaker 2: to Thomas Jefferson, is the man who created, uh, what
Speaker 2: I think is the best state flag in the Union.
Speaker 2: It's the only flag with a booby on it. And
Speaker 2: that's actually he was obsessed with Francis Bacon. His name
Speaker 2: was George With Like I said, he was the He
Speaker 2: was Thomas Jefferson's mentor. He was the reason that Thomas
Speaker 2: Jefferson became obsessed with Francis Bacon his whole life. And
Speaker 2: that is actually Atheno wearing her helmet and holding her sphere.
Speaker 2: That's kind of neither here nor there, but I forgot
Speaker 2: that that was behind.
Speaker 6: I just want to mention real quick, and I mentioned
Speaker 6: this a lot of times. I'm just using an excuse
Speaker 6: to mention it again. The woman's nipple hanging out that
Speaker 6: uh you know in the Knox formula Crowley's Knox formula.
Speaker 6: At some point you you're supposed to be isis like
Speaker 6: a feeding breastfeeding horse, and you will like you'll make
Speaker 6: it look like you're holding a baby and grabbing your nipple.
Speaker 5: There was a relationship between the nipple and the child.
Speaker 6: When the child latches its mouth onto the nipple, the
Speaker 6: mother's pinal game will tell the child where it is
Speaker 6: time season, you know where it is even on the planet,
Speaker 6: what up and down all is? So I mean there
Speaker 6: is actually a very weird, interesting, uh panal gland to
Speaker 6: pinal glean conversation going on just from breast reading.
Speaker 5: Wow times, I wonder if that has anything to do
Speaker 5: with so much cult size.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's got to. Even if they didn't know
Speaker 2: it that deeply, they knew that there was that connection
Speaker 2: since the beginning of time there. So I said, I
Speaker 2: wasn't going to get into that whole thing. But Shakespeare
Speaker 2: didn't write Shakespeare. His name wasn't even Shakespeare's name was
Speaker 2: shagspar And there's no evidence that he was literate or
Speaker 2: you know, went to school past the fourth grade. The
Speaker 2: only thing we have of him is his signature on
Speaker 2: like seven different documents. They're all legal documents and his
Speaker 2: will because he was kind of a douchebag and cheating
Speaker 2: people out of stuff a lot, and so he's always
Speaker 2: getting drug into court. And all these signatures are spelled
Speaker 2: differently and in different handwriting. So that probably points to
Speaker 2: the fact that whoever the other lawyer was or the
Speaker 2: judge was the one who signed his name to it.
Speaker 2: So we don't even know that Shakespeare or the guy
Speaker 2: that they attribute Shakespeare to even was literate. He didn't
Speaker 2: own a book that we can tell in his will.
Speaker 2: He doesn't leave any books papers. There's never been a
Speaker 2: letter written to him or from him that anybody's ever found.
Speaker 2: The guy wasn't Shakespeare. Bacon with Shakespeare. So that being said,
Speaker 2: I got obsessed with this book here, which is this
Speaker 2: gigantic tone that I paid a bunch of money for.
Speaker 2: It's a facts simile of the first folio of Shakespeare,
Speaker 2: the sixteen twenty three that was put together. It's exactly
Speaker 2: how it came out in sixteen twenty three. It's just
Speaker 2: on new paper and basically took a history work copy
Speaker 2: and from one of the museums and photo copied every
Speaker 2: single page. So it's exactly the way it came out
Speaker 2: the very first folio. So I get into Shakespeare, I
Speaker 2: get into the first folio and some of the weird
Speaker 2: things that that go on with that. Of course, that
Speaker 2: leads leads me to to to Bacon. And then once
Speaker 2: you get into Bacon, you obviously you end up down
Speaker 2: the road of Bacon created Masonry by way of Rosicrucianism.
Speaker 2: You find out that that the Masons actually claim Shakespeare
Speaker 2: and Francis Bacon as kind of founding architects, if you will.
Speaker 2: And then when you the further you get into masonry,
Speaker 2: you start to if you dig back from masonry modern
Speaker 2: day masonry, you eventually fall back into the Stewart, the
Speaker 2: Stewart dynasty, and that leads you back if you follow
Speaker 2: the maternal side of that family all the way back,
Speaker 2: it INDs you, it brings you all the way back
Speaker 2: to the Mayravngians of Dan Brown fame. And really my
Speaker 2: my overall thesis of of my research now is that
Speaker 2: America was Beguy in as and Virginia in particular as
Speaker 2: a breakaway civilization for the Stuart dynasty. I think it
Speaker 2: was facilitated and designed by Francis Bacon, and then it
Speaker 2: has been managed and stewarded by the Scottish rite of Freemasonry,
Speaker 2: sort of a thinly veiled alternative to the monarchy that
Speaker 2: they were. But they could see the writing on the
Speaker 2: wall that their monarchy, their reign as monarchs in England,
Speaker 2: Scotland and Ireland, wasn't gonna last long. There it reign
Speaker 2: was only about one hundred years, and I mean they
Speaker 2: were deposed several times, kicked off the throne, brought back in, killed,
Speaker 2: They ran, They ran the gamut and right at the
Speaker 2: very beginning of that dynasty, Francis Bacon, working for King
Speaker 2: James the first, the first Stuart monarch, right at the
Speaker 2: beginning of that, they create the Virginia Company of London
Speaker 2: and start exploring the new world, Virginia in particular. And
Speaker 2: I think that was I really the more and more
Speaker 2: I get into this stuff, the more I think that
Speaker 2: America maybe still but definitely its beginnings were kind of
Speaker 2: a breakaway place for the Stuart kind of ideal in
Speaker 2: this divine right of kings Mayravngi and bloodline idea, which
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily believe that they have any special blood line,
Speaker 2: but like any other uh you know, monarchy kind of bloodline.
Speaker 2: I think that this uh Christ's bloodline divine right of
Speaker 2: kings was a story that they used, whether they believed
Speaker 2: it or not, to kind of imbue their their dynasty
Speaker 2: with importance. And I think they saw the right and
Speaker 2: on the wall and decided the New World was the
Speaker 2: place to keep that power and that control structure going
Speaker 2: and uh and just do it with a different with
Speaker 2: a different face on it. And I think, right then
Speaker 2: is where you see America come up and Masonry come
Speaker 2: up at the same time, and and the monarchy drop off.
Speaker 2: But then you look at the Scottish right freemasonry and
Speaker 2: it is I'm about to show you it's it. Scottish
Speaker 2: right freemasonry connects Kabbala, this book right here, the sixteen
Speaker 2: eleven King James Bible, and am I missing something that's
Speaker 2: in Francis Bacon all together? So first off, this first
Speaker 2: folio is structured like an initiatory ladder and not like
Speaker 2: any of the kind of anthologies of its time. The
Speaker 2: first folio, I'm sorry, Yeah, the First Folio, first book
Speaker 2: in English history to divide dramatic works into three distinct
Speaker 2: sections comedies, histories and tragedies. But it is identical logic
Speaker 2: to an initiatory system, in the three steps there being purification, advancement,
Speaker 2: and mastery slash sacrifice, exactly like a degree system, but
Speaker 2: published nearly a century before the Scottish writes thirty three
Speaker 2: or thirty three degree system. So if Masonry borrowed from Shakespeare,
Speaker 2: how did Shakespeare already arrange his canon? And really not
Speaker 2: Shakespeare because he didn't exist. But the people who are
Speaker 2: who did arrange the first folio of Shakespeare? How do
Speaker 2: they arrange it in a multi stage initiation kind of system.
Speaker 2: So the sequence of the plays in the folio kind
Speaker 2: of mirror that ladder of like esoteric.
Speaker 7: Order.
Speaker 2: You've got the Tempest, which is an initiation. I've got
Speaker 2: a good friend, Robert Frederick. He has a great podcast
Speaker 2: called The Hidden Life is Best. He just became on
Speaker 2: a whim, a Bacon scholar, and now he digs into
Speaker 2: all the Shakespeare works and he just picked them apart
Speaker 2: and each i mean two three hour episodes, each one
Speaker 2: on a different play, and they're incredible. And so actually,
Speaker 2: what got me onto this particular track was I was
Speaker 2: doing a podcast with him, and uh, he had just
Speaker 2: he did the Tempest on my suggestion, because he had
Speaker 2: done Romeo and Juliet. I think, as you like it, Macbeth.
Speaker 2: And he pulled all these Masonic principles out of there
Speaker 2: and really showed how they were, you know, almost undeniably
Speaker 2: written by a rose Crucian for that specific purpose. And
Speaker 2: he was asking which one I thought he should do next,
Speaker 2: and I was like, the Tempest, and the Tempest is
Speaker 2: near and dear to my heart. Because living in Virginia,
Speaker 2: not a ton of people know this, but you know,
Speaker 2: sixteen oh seven they sent John Smith and the whole
Speaker 2: crew over here, and that whole Pocahontas trip happened, right,
Speaker 2: And but they kept dying, They kept getting mrked by
Speaker 2: the natives and starving and eating each other. In sixteen
Speaker 2: oh eight, they send another supply mission over. They eat
Speaker 2: all that food, they're all dying out again. So then
Speaker 2: Francis Bacon takes it upon himself and mounts a massive
Speaker 2: supply mission, which is nine ships sent from sent from
Speaker 2: Plymouth over like six hundred people. They hit a This
Speaker 2: is in sixteen oh nine, they hit a hurricane right
Speaker 2: around Bermuda, and everybody survives except for two small two
Speaker 2: small ships. And that's a whole another route of research
Speaker 2: that I'm doing as well, which was some pretty interesting stuff.
Speaker 2: But it's a rabbit hole. So two ships disappear forever.
Speaker 2: Six ships make it to the Yeah, six ships make
Speaker 2: it right away to pretty much right away to James
Speaker 2: Sound to resupply, and during the hurricane, the largest of
Speaker 2: the ships crash lands on Bermuda. Purposely, they shipwrecked themselves
Speaker 2: to avoid the storm, and about one hundred people on
Speaker 2: that I believe it was about one hundred people were
Speaker 2: on that ship, and they disembarked live on Bermuda for
Speaker 2: a full year. While they're on Bermuda, they take apart
Speaker 2: the old ship, build two new ships, and by sixteen
Speaker 2: ten they set sail again and they make it over
Speaker 2: to Jamestown. And once they get to Jamestown, one of
Speaker 2: the guys who was at Bermuda on the crash landing,
Speaker 2: this guy named William Strakeye. William Strakey just happens to
Speaker 2: be one of those guys who was in Francis Bacon's
Speaker 2: Literary Society. He gets to Jamestown. He writes a full
Speaker 2: report of everything that happens or that happened for the
Speaker 2: year on Bermuda, and he sends it to Francis Bacon's
Speaker 2: new wife. And in sixteen eleven, William Shakespeare, or under
Speaker 2: the name William Shakespeare, a play is published called The Tempest,
Speaker 2: and it's all about a crash landing. I mean there's
Speaker 2: even like six names that are used as six characters
Speaker 2: in the play have names that are like, if the
Speaker 2: guy's name was John, it would be Ron. I mean,
Speaker 2: they're that close. It's it's ridiculous. The play The Tempest
Speaker 2: is about the crash landing on Bermuda that was headed
Speaker 2: to Virginia. But it is one when you break it down,
Speaker 2: it is an absolute first initiation into a mystery. It's
Speaker 2: it's kind of the crappiest of Shakespeare's plays, I think.
Speaker 2: And so you have one of Bacon's buddies writes the
Speaker 2: report of what happened in sixteen ten, and in sixteen eleven,
Speaker 2: that is the last play that this Shakespeare guy ever writes. Right.
Speaker 2: The weird thing is is that it appears first ten
Speaker 2: years ten to fifteen years later, in the sixteen twenty three,
Speaker 2: first folio of Shakespeare, right, thirty six plays and the
Speaker 2: very last one that he wrote, and arguably kind of
Speaker 2: the weirdest and kind of off. It's like Shakespeare's Twin Peaks.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's very strange that gets that gets it's
Speaker 2: first in the folio. So let's see if I've lost
Speaker 2: me where I was going next, but might not have. Okay,
Speaker 2: here we go, all right, talk amongst yourselves. Okay, So
Speaker 2: sixteen twenty three, the first folio goes out. Oh that's right.
Speaker 2: So while I'm talking to Robert Frederick, this Bacon scholar,
Speaker 2: he's talking about the Tempest, and he drops it on
Speaker 2: me that it's an initiation. It's allegory. The entire Tempest,
Speaker 2: first play in the folio of Shakespeare is an initiation allegory.
Speaker 2: And I start thinking back to my own personal Shakespeare knowledge,
Speaker 2: and I know that there's thirty six plays, and I go, well, dang,
Speaker 2: if that's the first if that's the first degree of freemasonry,
Speaker 2: the Tempest. There's thirty six plays in Shakespeare. And while
Speaker 2: he's like talking, I'm literally pulling up other windows and
Speaker 2: going through and looking because I know that there's several
Speaker 2: plays of Shakespeare's that are have two and one of
Speaker 2: them has three parts. So I was like a wonder
Speaker 2: if I put the the plays together that have more
Speaker 2: than one part into one play, which is what they were.
Speaker 2: They were just published separately because they were very long
Speaker 2: plays and performed separately. If I mash those down, what
Speaker 2: number would I get? And of course I get thirty
Speaker 2: three plays. So I spend the last two months picking
Speaker 2: through the plays as best that I can and lining
Speaker 2: them up in the order they are in this book
Speaker 2: to the thirty three degrees of Scottish right Freemasonry, which
Speaker 2: seems off because Scottish righte masonry doesn't come around until
Speaker 2: the seventeen hundreds, but if you actually look into the history,
Speaker 2: depending on how far you take it back, I know,
Speaker 2: for at least for me, that in Edinburgh there was
Speaker 2: a lodge in well, let's see here what's referred to
Speaker 2: as proto Scottish right freemasonries, and the theory is that it
Speaker 2: existed between fifteen hundred and sixteen hundred that early, so
Speaker 2: just you know, just before the first Stuart King, so
Speaker 2: a guy named William Shaw or there was something that
Speaker 2: came out called the William Shaw Statutes between fifteen ninety
Speaker 2: eight and fifteen ninety nine, and it established a set
Speaker 2: of regulations for Scottish Masons that look more like mystical
Speaker 2: guild laws than operative rules. Shaw refers to masters of
Speaker 2: the lodge and wardens in the same way that they
Speaker 2: use master and warden in the operative speculative masonry lodges. Now,
Speaker 2: there was an unusual wave of esoteric hermetic rosicrution activity
Speaker 2: in Europe between fifteen eighty and sixteen twenty. Bruno D
Speaker 2: Flood Bacon and the earliest known non operative or symbolic
Speaker 2: Masons appear in Scotland before sixteen hundred, and we know
Speaker 2: that I think it was fifteen ninety eight. King James
Speaker 2: the First, who becomes the first Stuart King, was initiated
Speaker 2: into that Edinburgh Scottish Lodge. So there is a precedent
Speaker 2: that masonry was going on in at least Scotland for sure,
Speaker 2: much earlier. And I believe that through the Mayorvnngian line
Speaker 2: and these different monarchies with these this divine right to
Speaker 2: rule kind of ethos, I believe that they were practicing
Speaker 2: these kind of ancient mystery schools in one way or
Speaker 2: another all the way back to the MAYORVNGI and and
Speaker 2: and probably much further depending on when it was adopted
Speaker 2: from their kind of.
Speaker 4: Question really quick about that?
Speaker 7: Actually, yeah, because I know that I know that the
Speaker 7: Mayor of Engians play a part in like the Shakespeare thing.
Speaker 7: But is Francis Bacon supposed to be from like the
Speaker 7: Mayor Ofvingian bloodline or something?
Speaker 4: Is that?
Speaker 2: It depends on how you look at that history, which
Speaker 2: is super murky. H Francis Bacon was basically raised by
Speaker 2: Queen Elizabeth, the first Queen Elizabeth was queen. So there's
Speaker 2: also speculation that Francis Bacon was the illegitimate son of
Speaker 2: Queen Elizabeth. So after Queen Elizabeth becomes the queen in
Speaker 2: the about six months before Francis Bacon is born to
Speaker 2: her Lord Keeper of the Seal, some people, it's on
Speaker 2: record that some folks went to to see Queen Elizabeth
Speaker 2: at court and then came back, and subsequently a few
Speaker 2: weeks after they came back to their fifdoms and whatever,
Speaker 2: they got their tongues cut out, and they got hung
Speaker 2: and they got their heads cut off. Because there's a
Speaker 2: rumor that they were spreading around that I just went
Speaker 2: and saw the Queen, and I don't think she's a
Speaker 2: virgin queen anymore because a bit she looks pregnant, right,
Speaker 2: And so it's on record. These people who you know,
Speaker 2: got got merked because they were spreading this rumor about
Speaker 2: the infidelity of the Queen. Well, Francis Bacon is born
Speaker 2: to I can't remember his dad's name, but he was
Speaker 2: the lord keeper of the Seal four Queen Elizabeth like
Speaker 2: top advisor, and immediately upon his birth he is moved
Speaker 2: into the court. The baby he is educated by the
Speaker 2: Crown and then put through either Cambridge or Oxford and
Speaker 2: then on to Gray's Inn to learn law, and then
Speaker 2: immediately becomes part of the court and starts taking on
Speaker 2: advisory roles and things like that with Queen Elizabeth. Now,
Speaker 2: Queen Elizabeth's mom was Anne Boleyn. Anne Berlin was the
Speaker 2: chick that King Henry the eighth stopped Catholicism in England. Four.
Speaker 2: So King Henry the Eighth was married to Catherine of
Speaker 2: it always sounds like a Lord of the Rings. It's Spain,
Speaker 2: but Queen Catherine was King Henry the Eighth's wife. Um,
Speaker 2: she couldn't give him any kids, so he wanted a divorcer.
Speaker 2: He went to the Pope and was like, Pope, can
Speaker 2: I please get a divorce? And the Pope said no,
Speaker 2: And that's where the big schism in the split in
Speaker 2: England comes in. And so King Henry the Eighth and
Speaker 2: the Bishop of I guess Canterbury create this Anglican Church
Speaker 2: of England thing. And the next chick is Anne Berlin,
Speaker 2: and Berlin you follow her return blood line back she
Speaker 2: is Plantagenet, and the Plantagenet come from the maternal side
Speaker 2: of the Mayrivingians, so it goes Marrivngian, and then on
Speaker 2: the maternal side of the Maryvingian as they die out
Speaker 2: the Carolinians. So you're talking about the court of Charlemagne.
Speaker 2: The maternal side of the Court of Charlemagne was comes
Speaker 2: from the Mayor of Engians. And then the maternal side
Speaker 2: of the Court of Charlemagne creates the Plantagenet line, and
Speaker 2: then on up and then and it moves right into
Speaker 2: the the Bruces and the Stewarts, and and then.
Speaker 7: That's the Megan Markel thing, right because she's from Robert
Speaker 7: the Bruce's line, so she's got like they were like, oh,
Speaker 7: you know, he found this really nice black girl, and
Speaker 7: he's going rogue.
Speaker 4: No, he's not, like, he's not going rogue like.
Speaker 2: Jitimately, Meghan Markle has a stronger claim to the throne
Speaker 2: if you I mean the Stewarts.
Speaker 7: That's what I've sa said for years.
Speaker 2: Stuarts. Yeah, the Stewarts had a stronger claim to the
Speaker 2: throne before Queen Elizabeth. So when he got the divorce
Speaker 2: from Catherine Mary, Queen of Scott's, who was the Queen
Speaker 2: of Scotland at the time, she had a better claim
Speaker 2: to the throne than any of King Henry the Eight's children,
Speaker 2: because all King Henry the Eight's children were their mothers
Speaker 2: were not noble women. They were of no like kind
Speaker 2: of monarch bloodline. But King Henry the Eight's brother, if
Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken, or his sister, Mary, Queen of Scott's
Speaker 2: is the daughter. He's like the uncle to Mary, Queen
Speaker 2: of Scott's, So Mary, Queen of Scott's had a better
Speaker 2: claim to the throne. But of course they didn't let
Speaker 2: that happen. First, they let Henry the Eight's sickly little
Speaker 2: like young son he dies, and then bloody Mary becomes
Speaker 2: the queen and she doesn't end up with an air
Speaker 2: and she dies, and then Queen Elizabeth, she's like last
Speaker 2: in line because I think Anne Boleyn was kind of
Speaker 2: the viewed by the monarchy as the skeasiest of all
Speaker 2: Henry's chicks, and so Elizabeth spent most of her life
Speaker 2: in the Tower of London, like in prison, because Bloody
Speaker 2: Mary was afraid they were going to depose her and
Speaker 2: put Elizabeth in anyway, so Elizabeth doesn't have a strong
Speaker 2: claim to the throne. It's her cousin over in Scotland.
Speaker 2: And Queen Elizabeth when she gets on the throne, she's
Speaker 2: so sketched out that Mary, Queen of Scott's is going
Speaker 2: to take her out and take over the throne that
Speaker 2: she finally has. They come to an agreement and she's like, look,
Speaker 2: if you don't try to kill me and take my
Speaker 2: throne when I die, since I'm the virgin Queen, I'll
Speaker 2: name your son James as my heir right. So they
Speaker 2: make that agreement and then Queen Elizabeth has Mary, Queen
Speaker 2: of Scott's head cut off anyway, but when Queen Elizabeth dies,
Speaker 2: that is when King James the First becomes the King
Speaker 2: of England, and thus the first Stuart, and that brings
Speaker 2: in the Bruces and the Mayor Bengie implantation, and that
Speaker 2: that whole line all comes together with the Stewarts. And
Speaker 2: I forgot.
Speaker 5: Where I was real quick. If you don't mind, then
Speaker 5: I'll want to look.
Speaker 6: I can't remember even specific, so it might have been
Speaker 6: Michael Meyer or Michael Mayer, and I can't remember the
Speaker 6: other people, but there was I going back a year
Speaker 6: and a half two years ago, there was some certain
Speaker 6: alchemists or occultists that me and me and Lisa had
Speaker 6: covered that were all somehow like showing up around King James,
Speaker 6: which I had no idea. I never really didn't realize
Speaker 6: how yeah it was, and I was like, oh, there's
Speaker 6: way too many now to where it's coincidence.
Speaker 2: So so you you definitely have him getting initiated into
Speaker 2: the into the that very early lodge in Scotland, and
Speaker 2: then he was surrounded by the same type of people
Speaker 2: that Queen Elizabeth was. I mean, she she's John Dee's chick.
Speaker 2: I mean John d was her like personal kind of
Speaker 2: spiritual advisor. And that is who most likely Francis Bacon
Speaker 2: was tutored. You imagine your your mom is the queen,
Speaker 2: but she's not claiming you as her son. And then
Speaker 2: she's got this, you know, the original Double seven, spying
Speaker 2: and talking to angel demons to tell her how to
Speaker 2: run the country. And then this little kid kicking around
Speaker 2: the court is getting and there's only there's like no
Speaker 2: letters or evidence that Francis Bacon had any contact or
Speaker 2: anything with John D. But it's so completely obvious by
Speaker 2: their interests and their their their education that he was
Speaker 2: probably his biggest mentor there's one wood cutting that they
Speaker 2: found and people use it for all kinds of like
Speaker 2: podcasts like thumbnails and whatnot, but it's it's an old
Speaker 2: wizard looking wizard guy who is John D holding uh
Speaker 2: like passing a lantern to a younger man, and that
Speaker 2: they're pretty sure that depicts John D. And and Francis Bacon.
Speaker 2: I think that it's official that the old guy is
Speaker 2: John D. And they don't know who the other guy
Speaker 2: is that he's passing the enlightenment onto.
Speaker 7: But it's it's so what do you think about, Like
Speaker 7: I think Shakespeare could have been you hinted at this
Speaker 7: like a court of people or a council of people
Speaker 7: that in Francis Bacon was on there, but they say,
Speaker 7: you know, oh, well Shakespeare wrote the Bible King James Bible.
Speaker 7: No that, but it would have been it would have
Speaker 7: been somebody or all of the members of the cour
Speaker 7: right or yeah.
Speaker 2: So that's the funny thing about the King James Bible.
Speaker 2: And also remember too that sixteen eleven the Bible comes out,
Speaker 2: and that's the same year that the very last Shakespeare
Speaker 2: play comes out. So it's like off a one project
Speaker 2: and onto the next project. And that'll play in when
Speaker 2: I actually finally get into the meat of this stuff.
Speaker 2: It'll really play into this research the Bible with Shakespeare.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of funny because, as I understand it,
Speaker 2: people say a common myth is that Shakespeare wrote the Bible.
Speaker 2: But they say that because he met the Shakespeare guy,
Speaker 2: because he ran in the same circles, may have been
Speaker 2: a part of the group that historically we know that
Speaker 2: Francis Bacon was the head of that wrote the King
Speaker 2: James Bible for King James. So like Francis Bacon was
Speaker 2: officially what we know of, he was the kind of
Speaker 2: head of the council that was putting together the King
Speaker 2: James Bible. And so people assume Shakespeare wrote The King
Speaker 2: James Bible because he was part of that group. But
Speaker 2: then when you say that Francis Bacon might probably wrote
Speaker 2: Shakespeare because he was part of that group, people are like, no,
Speaker 2: come on, it's you know, I mean Straffordians. They're like,
Speaker 2: that can't be possible, even though there's far more, you know,
Speaker 2: evidence that Francis Bacon may have quite quite quite possibly
Speaker 2: have been the most brilliant person to ever walk the
Speaker 2: face of the planet.
Speaker 7: I mean, he absolutely, I'm starting to gather that just
Speaker 7: based on, like, you know, doing some of my own
Speaker 7: research about him, and he keeps popping up and shit,
Speaker 7: and I'm like, who is this dude?
Speaker 4: He's like fucking obscure.
Speaker 7: Kind of Yeah, he's everywhere in nowhere, you know what
Speaker 7: I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's I think I have a quote here somewhere.
Speaker 2: I can't remember what it was, but it was a
Speaker 2: really great Shakespeare and Bacon quote. But yeah, Francis Bacon
Speaker 2: in his time, somebody had said that Francis Bacon, by
Speaker 2: the age of twelve, had already read everything in print.
Speaker 2: He spoke like four or five languages by that age.
Speaker 2: By fifteen, he was at either Oxford or Cambridge. I
Speaker 2: can't remember which one going to college. By sixteen he
Speaker 2: quit because he was bored, and by like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: maybe fourteen he was there. By fifteen he quit, and
Speaker 2: then by sixteen he was back teaching. So he was
Speaker 2: teaching at one of those two prestigious schools when he
Speaker 2: was barely just a teenager, you know, and then moves
Speaker 2: on to Gray's Inn, becomes a great lawyer. And then
Speaker 2: it is in the court not only that he was
Speaker 2: doing the same things that John d was and that
Speaker 2: he was he had a big hand in Elizabeth's kind
Speaker 2: of spy network. He was writing tons of ciphers and
Speaker 2: mathematics and cryptology and doing it. I mean, he created
Speaker 2: the scientific method. He was he was absolutely brilliant. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's definitely evidence that he was a poly math and
Speaker 2: he could have written plays and done impossible math work.
Speaker 2: And but did that person just say they were bored.
Speaker 5: I don't know. It's also before sixteen.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, this threw me. I thought she was bored
Speaker 2: with me. Oh no, no, no, anyway, I should probably
Speaker 2: get into the actual because I've been rambling for like
Speaker 2: an hour and it's I haven't even gotten into it.
Speaker 5: Yet all right, let's go.
Speaker 2: All right, all right, all right, right, so the whole
Speaker 2: tempest thing got me interested. I found the connection there
Speaker 2: with the thirty three, the thirty three degrees of Freemasonry,
Speaker 2: and so I plotted them all out and mapped them
Speaker 2: all out, and I'm just gonna go. What I found
Speaker 2: was they were exact. Every single degree explains every single play,
Speaker 2: and every single play has elements of every single one
Speaker 2: of its corresponding degrees. And it's it's eerily so.
Speaker 6: You know, there's one thing I want to mention too,
Speaker 6: like this times you know this, this is really interesting
Speaker 6: that he's saying this. I would even wonder about some
Speaker 6: of these orders because could those be other books or something,
Speaker 6: because there's been times of me and the first I
Speaker 6: think luck is with him. We had covered I think
Speaker 6: quats and a couple of orders. Oh yeah, yeah, he said.
Speaker 6: And they will mention Shakespeare.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they claim him, they claim him as as
Speaker 2: their own. I mean, he becomes part of that lored
Speaker 2: like Hiram Abif, you know, I mean, I think we
Speaker 2: all know that there wasn't actually a guy named Hiram Abif,
Speaker 2: but it it it explains some part of their of
Speaker 2: their story and it's kind of the same as that Maravngian,
Speaker 2: you know, Christ's bloodline, like it imbues that monarchy with
Speaker 2: importance and and the more folks that they you know,
Speaker 2: my buddy is Daniel Duke, who is the great great
Speaker 2: grandson of the real Jesse James. And you know, I
Speaker 2: asked him if he was getting any He's the guy
Speaker 2: that wrote Jesse James and the Lost Templar Treasure, which
Speaker 2: I know sounds crazy. That's why I bought the book,
Speaker 2: but it's insane. Jesse James was part of the Knights
Speaker 2: of the Golden Circle. He was a freemason, and his
Speaker 2: maps that have been uncovered match up to all the
Speaker 2: Templar symbol symbolism and whatnot. And I asked him, I
Speaker 2: was like, are you worried, you know, you're you know,
Speaker 2: exposing some of this stuff, and he was like, no, no,
Speaker 2: he's like they they love me, man. They did a
Speaker 2: blurb for the back of my book and whatnot. Because
Speaker 2: these guys added to their brand, it doesn't it doesn't
Speaker 2: hurt them, and they can pick and choose and you know,
Speaker 2: kind of explain to their they ad upts who was
Speaker 2: real and who wasn't and who's who were using as
Speaker 2: allegory or symbolism and anyway. So I map those thirty
Speaker 2: three degrees to the thirty three plays that start off
Speaker 2: as thirty six, but I combined the plays that have
Speaker 2: more than one part, and then that led me to
Speaker 2: mapping both the degrees and the plays onto another thing
Speaker 2: that I'll get to as I as I go through
Speaker 2: a few of these plays, and then that led me
Speaker 2: to another piece of esotericism that maps on to all
Speaker 2: of them. So this is four kind of streams of
Speaker 2: data that all all come together. And stream three and
Speaker 2: four are stream three for sure. I don't think anybody
Speaker 2: because I can't find it anywhere. Nobody's ever mentioned what
Speaker 2: I'll show you, which is like stream three. Now, obviously
Speaker 2: the Masons have talked about Shakespeare being one of their guys.
Speaker 2: I've even heard it said that Shakespeare wrote our Our,
Speaker 2: Our our bylaws. I think a Mason has actually said
Speaker 2: that to me. So that theory is out there. I
Speaker 2: My point with this is to kind of show that
Speaker 2: the framework was already there before. Yeah, there's all kinds
Speaker 2: of great uh geometry in the the Shakespeare first folio.
Speaker 2: But my point is to kind of show that the
Speaker 2: the framework for Masonry was there in the Shakespearean plays
Speaker 2: before the Scottish Right of Freemasonry, and so that's the
Speaker 2: line of succession, because I think a lot of people
Speaker 2: could just look at it and go, oh, yeah, the
Speaker 2: degrees match up, because obviously, you know, Scottish Right came
Speaker 2: after Shakespeare, and so they thought this was a cool
Speaker 2: book and they took the symbolism out of it, but
Speaker 2: I think they recognized the symbolism that was already there anyway.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go through the Tempest real quick. First,
Speaker 2: quick summary of the tempest. Prospero, the rightful Duke of
Speaker 2: Milan and master of the magical Arts, use a sorcery
Speaker 2: to shipwreck his usurping brother and others upon his island.
Speaker 2: Through careful through carefully orchestrated illusions, he confronts betrayal, restores harmony,
Speaker 2: and ultimately chooses forgiveness over vengeance. In masonry, the entered
Speaker 2: apprentice that's the first degree, represents initiation, purification, in the
Speaker 2: awakening of latent potential. It symbolizes the beginning of the
Speaker 2: spiritual journey and moving from chaos into ordered understanding and
Speaker 2: entering the island of symbolic instruction. So in the play,
Speaker 2: Prospero functions as the initiator. He guides all the others
Speaker 2: on the on the island through ordeals, storms, illusions, tests
Speaker 2: the character much like the candidate and Freemasonry is guided
Speaker 2: through symbolic storms. Ariel performs the role of spiritual messenger,
Speaker 2: while Caliban embodies the unrefined natural man. The apprentice must overcome.
Speaker 2: The entire island becomes an allegorical lodge of transformation. So
Speaker 2: I read those two things together and go, okay, that's
Speaker 2: one for one tempest to the first degree. Right. So
Speaker 2: then I pull out my old trustee um copy of
Speaker 2: morals and Dogma, and I'm like, well, let me just
Speaker 2: dig through these and see what signs and symbols and
Speaker 2: things like that from each degree might map onto the
Speaker 2: plays as well. Right, So first degree, the entered apprenticed
Speaker 2: the degree symbols. There are a twenty four inch gauge,
Speaker 2: which is a measurement of time, the common gavel for
Speaker 2: breaking away vices, rough ashlar, which is just a rough stone,
Speaker 2: and the light or the great light. So the way
Speaker 2: that's mirrored in the tempest is Prospero's entire magical operation
Speaker 2: is timed to the minute. In the play, the hour
Speaker 2: has now come as a quote, mirroring the twenty four
Speaker 2: inch gage as the symbol of time management. The shipwreck Nobles,
Speaker 2: or the rough Ashlar is broken down by trials. The
Speaker 2: island experience chips away their vices, just like the gabble,
Speaker 2: and then the final reconcile. Reconciliation is the perfect Ashlar,
Speaker 2: the raw characters refined. So as I'm going through that,
Speaker 2: I start, I don't know if I can pick this
Speaker 2: up and show you guys real quick another really strange
Speaker 2: this This book is batshit crazy. Can you see that?
Speaker 2: Do you see? This is the table of contents, right,
Speaker 2: do you see? Just take a quick look at the
Speaker 2: numbers of the pages, and what you'll notice is like
Speaker 2: the tempest starts at page one, but then all the
Speaker 2: other page numbers are out of order. You can be
Speaker 2: on page two hundred and fifty, flip over two pages
Speaker 2: and you're on page forty five and then and that's
Speaker 2: that's something that people have brought up about this. I mean,
Speaker 2: here's page ninety three. I go back a big chunk
Speaker 2: fifty way back here I'm back to fifty five. I mean,
Speaker 2: and I've always thought that that meant something, but I'm
Speaker 2: not mathematically minded, So whatever codes that you know, Petro
Speaker 2: Aminsen and the Oak Island Boys are figuring out, like,
Speaker 2: I don't have the wherewithal. But what I did notice
Speaker 2: was that the very last, the very last play in
Speaker 2: the Shakespearean First Folio starts on page three sixty nine,
Speaker 2: and it's only about five or six pages long, right,
Speaker 2: So that puts me around three hundred and seventy five.
Speaker 2: And so I start looking around, like, what from sixteen eleven,
Speaker 2: what was Bacon involved in that might match to that? Well,
Speaker 2: three sixty nine is like a perfect number. I can't
Speaker 2: remember I went through all that, but I try to
Speaker 2: stay away from the numerology as much as I can.
Speaker 2: But I start looking around, and what I find is
Speaker 2: that Proverbs in the Bible has exactly three hundred and
Speaker 2: seventy five proverbs. So Solomon wrote Proverbs. We all know
Speaker 2: that Francis Bacon was obsessed with Solomon. The Masons are
Speaker 2: obsessed with Solomon. And I'm like, maybe this is a match.
Speaker 2: And since we have this whole table of random numbers,
Speaker 2: almost this random number generator. I was like, there's no
Speaker 2: way that these these numbers could match up to the
Speaker 2: corresponding the play with the corresponding proverb. And so when
Speaker 2: I say three hundred and seventy five proverbs, these proverbs
Speaker 2: are things like, uh, let's see here, A wise son
Speaker 2: maketh a glad father, but a foolish son is the
Speaker 2: heaviness of his mother. They're like two line little pieces
Speaker 2: of wisdom that Solomon wrote down. And the crazy thing
Speaker 2: is is that nobody in the history of the Bible
Speaker 2: has ever took Everybody talks about how amazing advice this
Speaker 2: solemnonic these proverbs are, but nobody wants has ever gone
Speaker 2: and just pulled them out in order and just put one, two, three, four, five,
Speaker 2: Nobody all the way down to three seventy five. So
Speaker 2: I had to open the Bible and go through three
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy five proverbs in order and write them
Speaker 2: down right. And I'm glad I did because so And
Speaker 2: what you'll see with the way these map in the
Speaker 2: beginning degrees, just like the degrees are in masonry. It's
Speaker 2: a little light. The symbolism fits, but it might be
Speaker 2: a little bit tangential and a little fluffy and not real.
Speaker 2: There's not a whole lot of like weight on it.
Speaker 2: And then as we get further and further and further in,
Speaker 2: it becomes more exact and more perfectly matched up with everything,
Speaker 2: to the point where the proverb that matches up with
Speaker 2: Titus Andronicus. Titus Andronicus is a is a tragedy play
Speaker 2: by Shakespeare, and at one point somebody cuts the tongues
Speaker 2: out of his daughter or the tongue out of it's
Speaker 2: either two daughters, and anyway, somebody gets a tongue cut out,
Speaker 2: and the proverb that matches up. And remember we're not
Speaker 2: just going in order one through thirty three proverbs. We're
Speaker 2: going from proverb one to proverb twenty to proverb thirty
Speaker 2: eight to proverb sixty one, and they match up bank
Speaker 2: bang bang bang, And the proverb that matches up with
Speaker 2: Titus Andronicus literally talks about cutting someone's tongue out. So
Speaker 2: I beyond that, So I find this stuff, and I
Speaker 2: map out all these dang proverbs, and then I move
Speaker 2: on because obviously the number thirty three is popping up
Speaker 2: over and over and over and over and over again.
Speaker 2: And the other piece of this Bacon Shakespeare. Mason kind
Speaker 2: of salad is always Kabbala. You always hear, you know,
Speaker 2: the Kabbala is basically a basis for masonry, and that
Speaker 2: everything kind of distills in each degree kind of distills
Speaker 2: back to a Kabbalistic principle. And I've asked master masons.
Speaker 2: I asked the the worshipful man master of a lodge, like, hey,
Speaker 2: what do you know about the Kabbala? This is a
Speaker 2: thirty two degree, a thirty second degree mason. He's like,
Speaker 2: I've never even heard of it. Now, I know the
Speaker 2: guy pretty well, and if he was, you know, if
Speaker 2: he was bullshitting me, I feel like I'd have known it.
Speaker 2: But I've asked other people, and you can go online
Speaker 2: to forums and stuff like that, and you'll see you'll
Speaker 2: see Mason's all day be like nothing to do with Kabbala, like,
Speaker 2: but it's absolutely clear that it is. And if you
Speaker 2: read Morals and Dogmen anything by Albert Pike, the Kabbala
Speaker 2: was Pikes. That was his preferred kind of esoteric kind
Speaker 2: of framework. So it is in there specifically in Scottish
Speaker 2: rite free masonry. So I start looking around into the Kabbala.
Speaker 6: Oh real quick, I just want to say, like, uh,
Speaker 6: I know for a fact that well, I mean, that's
Speaker 6: what they even admitted, but it maybe maybe it's not true.
Speaker 6: But yeah, Astra Mogentum. Even if you look up their
Speaker 6: initiatives aguesst degree system, they even show you how like
Speaker 6: the degrees match the tree. Yeah, you know, they kind
Speaker 6: of make it. Oh, they kind of like, you know,
Speaker 6: in explaining it.
Speaker 2: Well, so does the what I found is, so does
Speaker 2: it match with the degrees the thirty three degrees of
Speaker 2: Freemasonry and the thirty three plays of William Shakespeare. So
Speaker 2: I found this thing called the thirty two paths of
Speaker 2: wisdom in Kabbala, it comes from the Book of Formation,
Speaker 2: and it describes the thirty two paths of wisdom as
Speaker 2: these are the ten cepharat, So one through ten is
Speaker 2: the ten cepharat on the tree of life, and then
Speaker 2: below that is the twenty two letters of the Hebrew alphabet.
Speaker 2: And so that gives you thirty two paths. But Kabbala
Speaker 2: always speaks of the thirty third path that cannot be named,
Speaker 2: the path beyond form, corresponding to ketter or einsoft It's
Speaker 2: heavily emphasized in Lurianic Kabala Hermetic kabbala, which is of
Speaker 2: Bacon's day, sixteenth and seventeenth, the seventeenth century Christian novelists
Speaker 2: and Rosa Cruscian manuscripts. So this particular kind of ladder
Speaker 2: of thirty three pathways maps right onto the time and
Speaker 2: place that that Francis Bacon was was was, you know,
Speaker 2: messing around and working off of So I've gone through.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna go through all thirty three plays, but
Speaker 2: I do have some favorites. Trust me when I say
Speaker 2: that they all match up pretty great. But I'm gonna jump.
Speaker 2: So we went through the tempest a little bit. Let's
Speaker 2: do much Ado about Nothing. That's the sixth degree. Much
Speaker 2: Ado in About Nothing is the sixth play. It is
Speaker 2: the sixth degree of Scottish rape free Masonry is the
Speaker 2: intimate Secretary. The summary of the play, Beatrice and Benedict
Speaker 2: engage in witty verbal combat, while Claudio and Hero navigate
Speaker 2: betrayal and reconciliation. Love triumphs, but only after truth is
Speaker 2: brought to light. In Masonry, the degree centers on confidential service,
Speaker 2: accurate witnessing, and faithful transmission of truth. So the sexton
Speaker 2: in the play is a character in the play acts
Speaker 2: as a recorder. So literally this is the intimate secretary
Speaker 2: in the the sexton.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like a astronomical device as.
Speaker 2: Well, I believe. So yeah, the no sextant, I think. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so they have a secretary is a and just so
Speaker 2: you know, there's not a lot of secretary parts in
Speaker 2: a or Shakespeare in play, so it's interesting. He acts
Speaker 2: for as recorder for Dogbury. He embodies the secretary role, literacy,
Speaker 2: truth keeping, and the ability to discern fact from falsehood,
Speaker 2: the central conflict heroes. Slander dramatizes the dangers of false reports,
Speaker 2: a core lesson of the degree. So right there, the
Speaker 2: core lesson of the degree is mapped out right into
Speaker 2: the right into the play there and then from morals
Speaker 2: and dogma. The degree symbols two class hands, curtains, half
Speaker 2: drawn triangular arrangement of secret letters red and white, which
Speaker 2: stand for passion and purity. The way that mirrors in
Speaker 2: the play. The entire plot revolves around broken trust rebuilding
Speaker 2: of confidence between characters hero Claudio, Benedict and Beatrice. Everything
Speaker 2: is overheard behind curtains, hedges, partial concealments, perfect symbol of
Speaker 2: the half drawn veil red and White. Obviously this is
Speaker 2: a All his comedies are also love triangles. So Red
Speaker 2: and White, hero's innocence stained by false accusation. Red Bam.
Speaker 2: And then we go to six on the proverbs much Ado, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that is proverb one oh one or proverbs for eighteen.
Speaker 2: The wisdom of the prudent is to understand his way,
Speaker 2: but the folly of the fool is Deceit aligns with
Speaker 2: the sixth degree, the intimate secretary. The degree stresses discernment
Speaker 2: accurate record, truth versus deception accurate record. You're talking about
Speaker 2: that secretary there. The wisdom of the prudence to understand
Speaker 2: his way equals the secretary's duty. Folly is deceit. That's
Speaker 2: the degrees warning, Don Pedro and Leonardo equal prudence and understanding.
Speaker 2: Claudio is deceived, Benedict and Beatrice truth disguised as wit,
Speaker 2: and Don Don John folly is deceit incarnate. So the
Speaker 2: sixth degree is about the ability to tell the truth
Speaker 2: from falhood and the entire plays in June, and then
Speaker 2: you run over here to the Kabbalah, and that particular
Speaker 2: play lines up with number six, the sixth pathway, which
Speaker 2: is tiffaret, which means beauty or harmony or harmony after conflict.
Speaker 2: So again Tiffarett equals the heart. The heart equals Benedict
Speaker 2: and Beatrice harmony restored through speech, misunderstanding, and reconciliation. So
Speaker 2: the other great thing about the Shakespeare plays mapping onto
Speaker 2: the degrees of freemasonry is that they go the first
Speaker 2: I believe it's twelve plays. Let me make sure, all right,
Speaker 2: I'll get to it. Oh, here we go. The first
Speaker 2: fourteen plays in the in the Shakespeare folio are the comedies,
Speaker 2: and they are all light love triangles, comedic. Right at
Speaker 2: play number fifteen is where the histories and tragedies start
Speaker 2: in freemasonry. The first fourteen degrees are the ineffable degrees,
Speaker 2: a little bit lighter. And then in the fifteenth degree,
Speaker 2: that's right where the historical and religious degrees begin, and
Speaker 2: so also where the histories and tragedies begin in the
Speaker 2: first folio. So I'm gonna jump to where my stars at. Yeah,
Speaker 2: here we go. I'm ms jump to the eighteenth degree.
Speaker 2: I find this one. This grouping of these degrees and
Speaker 2: play is really interesting. So the play that we're talking
Speaker 2: about is Henry the Fifth. We've jumped to the the
Speaker 2: kind of nightly degrees, and we've jumped to the histories.
Speaker 2: In the Shakespearean plays, the eighteenth degree is the Knight
Speaker 2: of the rose Cross. The play is Henry the Fifth.
Speaker 2: It's interesting that also not only does is this where
Speaker 2: the kind of nightly degrees start, but it's also interesting
Speaker 2: that the first place that like rose Acicrucianism is mentioned
Speaker 2: within the degrees is the also the start of the
Speaker 2: histories here. So Henry the Fifth follows King Henry's transformation
Speaker 2: from reckless prince to a responsible and inspiring monarch. The
Speaker 2: play centers on his leadership during the war with France,
Speaker 2: especially the Battle of agent Court. Themes include honor, duty, legitimacy,
Speaker 2: and the burden of kingship, as well as the attempt
Speaker 2: to reconcile former vices with present virtue in masonry. In
Speaker 2: the eighteenth degree, The Knight of the rose Cross degree
Speaker 2: used the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth to illustrate universal
Speaker 2: principles of life and morality. It emphasizes virtue over vice,
Speaker 2: tolerance over love, the reconciliation of opposites, the discovery of
Speaker 2: the true word or logos within oneself. It's a degree
Speaker 2: of inner transformation. In the play, Henry the Fifth can
Speaker 2: be read as a monarch undergoing rose Cross transformation. As
Speaker 2: far as reconciliation of opposites, Henry is both pious and ruthless.
Speaker 2: He speaks eloquently of honor and unity. Few we happy.
Speaker 2: Few remember that line. Yet he threatens halfer and sanctions executions.
Speaker 2: He wrestles with attentions between mercy and necessity. The true
Speaker 2: word within is represented by Henry's transformation from Prince Howe
Speaker 2: to King. Henry suggests a man has aligned his outward
Speaker 2: actions with an inner sense of calling and kingship, a
Speaker 2: discovery of his royal logos tolerance and union. By seeking
Speaker 2: to unite England and France, symbolized through his marriage to Catherine,
Speaker 2: Henry attempts to heal divisions and build a broader unity
Speaker 2: and echo of the degrees called to transcend sectarianism and
Speaker 2: embrace a higher reconcilitatory love. You jumped to the signs
Speaker 2: and symbols of the eighteenth degree in freemasonry.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 2: Again this is really cool. So the eighteenth degree of
Speaker 2: Freemasonry is the Knight of the rose Cross. The play
Speaker 2: is King Henry the Fifth. Henry the Fifth was the
Speaker 2: last king before the War of Roses, and his son
Speaker 2: Presided was the king of England during the War of Roses.
Speaker 2: So the degree symbols are the rose cross, the Pelican
Speaker 2: equal sacrifice, the eagle which the eagles vision, the lamb
Speaker 2: in seven seals, and red and white and the way
Speaker 2: you find those. In the play, Henry repeatedly cast himself
Speaker 2: as the sacrificial leader bearing the sins of his army.
Speaker 2: His transformation from how is a rose cross resurrection and
Speaker 2: Asian court is framed as the red and white miracle.
Speaker 2: And then that proverb. This is where the proverbs start
Speaker 2: to get a little bit more on the nose, even
Speaker 2: eighteen he this is again sixty nine page I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Play starts on page sixty nine. The proverb, the sixty
Speaker 2: ninth proverb is he that diligently seeketh good, procure favor,
Speaker 2: but he that seeketh mischief it shall come unto him,
Speaker 2: alignment with Henry the Fifth. Henry diligently seeks good on
Speaker 2: her unity victory the French, and the French or the
Speaker 2: traders seek mischief in return to destroy them. So it's
Speaker 2: kind of it's almost a perfect alignment from virtue, to favor,
Speaker 2: to mischief, to defeat, and then that mapping onto the Kabbala.
Speaker 5: Even on the keystone too from Merito.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then in Kabbala eighteen the path there is
Speaker 2: represented by the letter pet p e h. The mouth
Speaker 2: or speech the great thing about I love that in
Speaker 2: this play. Do you remember the It's in movies and
Speaker 2: things like that, the famous Shakespearean speech once More onto
Speaker 2: the Breach. It's like a famous like rap like thing.
Speaker 2: The two most famous like monologue like speeches in Shakespearean
Speaker 2: plays are contained within Henry the Fifth this one play.
Speaker 2: So it's the once More into the Breach speech and
Speaker 2: then the Saint Crispin's Day speech. You look any of
Speaker 2: those up. They've been quoted a million times in a
Speaker 2: million movies about war and whatnot, and specifically the path
Speaker 2: in the Kabbalah on that thirty three rung ladder of
Speaker 2: this of this cabalistic system means mouth or speech obviously, speeches,
Speaker 2: power of the word, and the logos thing. Nineteenth degree
Speaker 2: is the degree U. Nineteenth degree is the Grand Pontiff.
Speaker 2: The play that corresponds is Henry the Sixth play summary
Speaker 2: across the Henry the Sixth trilogy, England's fortunes decline abroad
Speaker 2: and at home. Part one shows the loss of France
Speaker 2: and the rise of Joan of Arc and Talbot. Part
Speaker 2: two depicts the escalating factionalism and civil unrest. Part three
Speaker 2: plunges fully into the Wars of the Roses, with brutal
Speaker 2: battles between Lancaster and York culminating in the Shattered Realm
Speaker 2: and the rise of Richard the third. Themes include collapse
Speaker 2: of legitimate authority, the cost of war, the legacy of
Speaker 2: nobility and heroism in masonry. The grand Pond of Degree
Speaker 2: stresses the continuity and influence of the past on the
Speaker 2: present future. The play is all things that result from
Speaker 2: past deeds, the struggle between light and darkness, good and evil,
Speaker 2: the idea that good ultimately triumphs. Mason's responsibility to uplift
Speaker 2: future generations and to think beyond his own era. So
Speaker 2: in the play moral ambiguity and struggle. Henry the City
Speaker 2: is personally devout and gentle but politically weak, while figures
Speaker 2: like Margaret and York display ruthless ambition. The pass shaping
Speaker 2: the future the wars betrayals misjudgments in Henry, the six
Speaker 2: plant the seeds, or for Richard the third, who is
Speaker 2: the next play in the next the next example. The
Speaker 2: entire are echoes of the nineteenth degree insistence that the
Speaker 2: past is never dead. It is the foundation of that
Speaker 2: will be built good or ill. Let's see here, you've
Speaker 2: got the this is cool in the nineteen degree symbols
Speaker 2: and signs that you got a triple cross, the meter,
Speaker 2: the censor, and the crown of stars. The play revolves
Speaker 2: around corrupted spiritual authority, contested legitimacy, and priestly overtones. The
Speaker 2: triple cross tensions appear in the War the Roses. There
Speaker 2: are three overlapping factions in that particular historic conflict. So
Speaker 2: you got those three crosses representing the three parties of
Speaker 2: the War of the Roses. And then Henry the six
Speaker 2: is the metered king. He's pious but ineffective, real quick.
Speaker 2: That proverb righteousness keep his keepeth him that is upright
Speaker 2: in the way. But wickedness overthrow with the sinner. That
Speaker 2: one's pretty self explanatory. The proverbs overthrow is literally the
Speaker 2: War of the Roses. Nineteen We've got resh, which means
Speaker 2: head or leadership, collapse of leadership, chaos of many heads.
Speaker 2: Here we go, and again the more you go through these,
Speaker 2: the more on the nose they get. The twentieth degree
Speaker 2: is the master of the symbolic law. Play that corresponds
Speaker 2: as Richard the Third play summary, Richard of Gloucester schemes, lies,
Speaker 2: murders his way to the throne. His manipulation of appearances, oaths,
Speaker 2: and loyalty creates a reign of terror that ultimately collapses
Speaker 2: and he is defeated by Henry Tudor Henry the Seventh.
Speaker 2: Ruthless ambition, conscience, legitimacy, and divine justice and Masonry. The
Speaker 2: degree focuses on the responsibilities as the master to embody
Speaker 2: and teach truth, justice, and tolerance, the central virtues of leadership,
Speaker 2: restoring Masonry and symbolically any institution to its original purity.
Speaker 2: It's interesting because it ends with a tutor. The end
Speaker 2: of this play, Henry the Seventh, the father of Henry
Speaker 2: the Eighth, who ends up being Elizabeth's father, takes over.
Speaker 2: So this is where it drops from Richard the Third
Speaker 2: and this is exactly where that Maravingian line kicks back in,
Speaker 2: and it's where Bacon at the end of this play.
Speaker 2: What's coming next is bacon, Elizabeth and all that whatnot.
Speaker 2: You've got keys and golden circles that all tie into
Speaker 2: the play. That those are the signs. The proverb the
Speaker 2: beginning strife is as when one leteth out water. Therefore
Speaker 2: leave off contention before it be meddled with warns against tyranny, conflict,
Speaker 2: and moral decay, all the things that got Richard the
Speaker 2: third deposed and the tutors in there. Play begins with
Speaker 2: strife unleashed by Richard. The war the roses let out
Speaker 2: the water that drowns the kingdom. Richard is the archetype
Speaker 2: of the degrees warning, unchecked strife, catastrophic collapse.
Speaker 5: Let's see huge strife, a lot loving strife.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that Hebrew letter is tav or the seal
Speaker 2: or completion. Henry the seventh, Let's see here. Henry the
Speaker 2: seventh was the son of Edward the third, who was
Speaker 2: a Planta. His wife, Elizabeth of York, was a Plantagenet.
Speaker 2: So that's where the true divine right, like I was saying,
Speaker 2: begins again. And I will skip on to the twenty
Speaker 2: twenty first degree. This one's kind of interesting. I'll just
Speaker 2: go through key things because I know this is a
Speaker 2: lot of me just reading. But so the twenty first
Speaker 2: degree is the Noah Kite or Prussian Knight, and the
Speaker 2: play there is Henry the Eighth. So we're now on
Speaker 2: Toqueen Elizabeth the first Dad. Noah Kite is a non
Speaker 2: Jew who follows the seven noah Hyde laws. So it's
Speaker 2: a non Jew who follows the seven like kind of
Speaker 2: Jewish laws, and it's also embodied. Those seven laws are
Speaker 2: embodied in the lower Sufferer of the Kabbalistic Tree of Life.
Speaker 2: Let's see here. So Henry the Eighth portrays the political
Speaker 2: and personal intrigues of Henry's reign, especially as marriage to
Speaker 2: Amberleyn descendant of Edward the first Plantagenet, includes ambition, religious
Speaker 2: and political change, the personal costs of royal decisions let's
Speaker 2: see here, arrogance and humility, courtesy and dignity. What are
Speaker 2: we on number twenty one? I mean, I can keep
Speaker 2: going through these things, but I love to find some
Speaker 2: of these proverbs that are incredible.
Speaker 1: I was wondering this, Ernie, this is amazing a series
Speaker 1: of correspondences. I was wondering if you'll share the thirty
Speaker 1: three somewhere online, Maybe not the entirety, but just the
Speaker 1: correspondences maybe just in bullet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was kind of my plan to
Speaker 2: get done before here and be able to like throw
Speaker 2: them up instead of me.
Speaker 1: Just not necessarily for us, but I just mean for
Speaker 1: you and the and other folks that might be interested
Speaker 1: in this, because you really nailed some interesting things. I
Speaker 1: think here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's when I'm not rambling and you're looking
Speaker 2: at this and the work side by side by side
Speaker 2: by side, it's it's a little more incredible than my
Speaker 2: I say, I see the incredibleness of it, because I'm
Speaker 2: sure other people do too.
Speaker 1: But one one thing that this all kinds of kind
Speaker 1: of weaves together, at least in my humble opinion. There's
Speaker 1: there's the masonry, there's the King James Bible, and there's
Speaker 1: the Shakespeare stories. As you're bringing together these and these
Speaker 1: are all, as you pointed out, foundational to our culture today.
Speaker 1: Shakespeare still is so influential to people's mind states. We
Speaker 1: don't even realize it. And and it all makes me
Speaker 1: think because of d and Bacon and their incredibleness and
Speaker 1: and all the weird hidden aspects that they encoded with
Speaker 1: everything and and put forth, all these sometimes wonderful lessons really,
Speaker 1: but it makes it makes me think about in the Republic,
Speaker 1: there is an aspect of of the dialogues where he
Speaker 1: there I forget who was talking, forgive me, but they're
Speaker 1: talking about the ideal nation or city state, and they
Speaker 1: are talking about how there would have to be a
Speaker 1: vanguard and so on, and there would have to be
Speaker 1: a mythos, there would have to be these stories, and
Speaker 1: there would have to be also this religion, and it's
Speaker 1: it's fascinating that all that the three streams, and maybe
Speaker 1: more even but the Masonry, Shakespeare, and King James Bible
Speaker 1: come together right at the same time where there's this
Speaker 1: whole new world and it and in one sense, maybe
Speaker 1: it was just Virginia that they were trying to make
Speaker 1: this their little city state in a sense, as you
Speaker 1: alluded to in the beginning, and more broadly the colonies
Speaker 1: and the new world at large. But it just makes
Speaker 1: me think that they really were trying to do what
Speaker 1: was put forth in the Republic, and you're finding this
Speaker 1: stream that really hits on it.
Speaker 2: And then later echoed in Francis Bacon's short story The
Speaker 2: New Atlantis. I mean, I think that that the New
Speaker 2: Atlantis has become almost old hat in conspiracy circles because
Speaker 2: it's just the same old points have been have been
Speaker 2: brought up for decades about the New Atlantis. But it
Speaker 2: really is what this country ended up being. And if
Speaker 2: you really look at this, it really truly reads like
Speaker 2: the Bacons or these Maravengians, this idea for this this
Speaker 2: re public because they kept trying it. I mean, the
Speaker 2: Mayravngians start in one area and they move all over Europe,
Speaker 2: they move into Scotland, they move into you know, throughout
Speaker 2: the connected bloodlines. They move everywhere, and they change things
Speaker 2: a little bit, even down to Henry the Eighth splitting
Speaker 2: away from the Roman Catholic Empire, right, and then that
Speaker 2: the Anglican Church ends up being the same kind of
Speaker 2: oppressive force that the Holy Roman Empire was in England
Speaker 2: to the Catholics who end up being in in England.
Speaker 2: They oppressed them the same way the Catholics were oppressing
Speaker 2: these this this upstart kind of Protestant Protestantism. And then
Speaker 2: these Puritans and Calvinists come over to the New World,
Speaker 2: and so it feels like they're just jumping out of
Speaker 2: these places that are a little you know, once their
Speaker 2: their enlightenment ideals get like kind of exposed for not
Speaker 2: being in line with the church or or or culture
Speaker 2: at the time. You know, it's like the it's like
Speaker 2: the templars who who factor into this as well. Once
Speaker 2: they once you know, they become too powerful and maybe
Speaker 2: their ideas are a little bit too enlightened. All of
Speaker 2: a sudden, the Pope and the French king want them gone.
Speaker 2: You know, where do they go. They go to Scotland
Speaker 2: and hang out with the precursor to the Bruce Klan
Speaker 2: and help the Bruce Klan win the independence of Scotland
Speaker 2: from England, who at the time was Catholic. And they
Speaker 2: even Scotland at that time gets like excommunicator. Bishops get
Speaker 2: excommunicated from the Catholic Church. So actually, when Henry the
Speaker 2: Eighth just a short time later split from the Catholic Church,
Speaker 2: Scotland was like, well, we've been split for a while,
Speaker 2: but I don't need to go through it like any
Speaker 2: more questions.
Speaker 8: But like, this is kind of another question, and I
Speaker 8: would ask you to do one more.
Speaker 1: Or because I I'm maybe a plain Jane of the
Speaker 1: Shakespearean world. I like Macbeth, and I also.
Speaker 2: Think, oh, yeah, yeah, I'm still in the twenties here.
Speaker 2: Let me let me yeah, what is the number of Macbeth?
Speaker 1: And could you break that one down?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And Romeo and Julia it's a really good one too,
Speaker 2: Tim and no Athens, Julius Caesar and let Macbeth. Macbeth
Speaker 2: is twenty eight. So it's a twenty eighth degree Knight
Speaker 2: of the Sun or the Prince Adept. This is where
Speaker 2: they get really cool too. Man, all right, so the
Speaker 2: play Summery. Spurred by a prophecy that his wife's and
Speaker 2: his wife's urging, Macbeth murders King Duncan and seizes the
Speaker 2: Scottish throne. Haunted by guilt and driven by paranoia, he
Speaker 2: commits further atrocities until he's overthrown and killed. Themes ambition, prophecy,
Speaker 2: moral corruption, and the overturning of natural order in masonry.
Speaker 2: The twenty eighth degree Night of the Sun or Prince
Speaker 2: adapt involves universalism, intolerance, deep esoteric and symbolic study of alchemy,
Speaker 2: kabbala and cosmology, the pursuit of inter illumination the sun
Speaker 2: within duties of reflection, work, prayer, hope, and teaching hidden truths.
Speaker 2: So the way that's represented in the play obviously the
Speaker 2: occult and esoteric themes, and that's the whole boil, boil,
Speaker 2: whatever and toil. You know, the witch scene, which is visions,
Speaker 2: prophetic apparitions saturate Macbeth, making it Shakespeare's most overtly occult
Speaker 2: tragedy or other than a midsommer Night's Dream. I think
Speaker 2: it's the most overtly occult play that he has. This
Speaker 2: aligns with the twenty eighth degrees, fascination with the unseen
Speaker 2: and the symbolic reverted quest for secret knowledge. Macbeth, like
Speaker 2: a twisted adept, seeks advancement by violent shortcuts rather than
Speaker 2: genuine enlightenment, similar to those who in Masonic legends seek
Speaker 2: the master secrets through murder. The Highromabyff story. Also, the
Speaker 2: thing you'll notice too in this mapping is that again
Speaker 2: those those those first degrees, it's a little less weight
Speaker 2: on them. They're a little less heavy. But you also
Speaker 2: notice in the first degrees that they are allegory for
Speaker 2: how you should be. And then when once you get
Speaker 2: to the tragedies, that switch. At the same time the
Speaker 2: degrees change. They all become tales of like warning all
Speaker 2: the plays are don't do this, don't be like this,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? So all the all the
Speaker 2: the the So the first fourteen degrees are the comedies.
Speaker 2: The first fourteen plays, I'm sorry, the first fourteen plays
Speaker 2: are the comedies. The first fourteen degrees are the ineffable degrees,
Speaker 2: and then it switches to the chivalric and religious degrees
Speaker 2: after that. And once you get to the chivalric and
Speaker 2: religious degrees, that's when you start getting these these cautionary
Speaker 2: All the plays are like cautionary. Don't be like Macbeth,
Speaker 2: don't be like Romeo and Juliet, don't be like Richard
Speaker 2: the Third and whatnot. But within the let me see,
Speaker 2: that's number twenty eight. So if we go to morals
Speaker 2: and dogma, the signs and symbols of the degree listed
Speaker 2: or the Sun, the zodiac wheel, the seven rays, and
Speaker 2: esoteric hermetic signs, and Macbeth attempts to control fate itself,
Speaker 2: sort of brushing up against the zodiac. The wis the
Speaker 2: witches invoke hermetic and planetary forces light versus darkness, which
Speaker 2: is the sun imagery which matches to the symbols in
Speaker 2: that degree and its central tension that proverb. If I'm
Speaker 2: not mistaken, it's a good one too. Let's see here.
Speaker 2: Wealth gotten, yeah, this is perfect. Wealth gotten by vanity
Speaker 2: shall be diminished, but he that gathered by labor shall increase.
Speaker 2: He literally kills the king and takes over his kingdom.
Speaker 2: So vanity decline, true labor increase. Macbeth's kingship equals vanity
Speaker 2: seized unlawfully. Macbeth gains a crown by vanity, murder and prophecy.
Speaker 2: His reign diminishes instantly, just like the proverb says. Malcolm
Speaker 2: and McDuff represent lawful labor, a flawless symbolic match the
Speaker 2: proverbs warning is mith Beck's whole arc, and.
Speaker 1: Then using that correspondence is so.
Speaker 2: And it as I mean it, it gets ridiculous. Here
Speaker 2: we go. The path in the thirty three Pathways of
Speaker 2: the Kabbala is nun or none, which is death and continuity.
Speaker 2: Death pursues, the wicked death, fate cycles, darkness, sorcery. That's
Speaker 2: what's encompassed in that. Let's go back one because this
Speaker 2: one's really cool too, am I right?
Speaker 6: The one thing I do want to say, I just
Speaker 6: want to add like I don't sobody how to answer
Speaker 6: like at the beginning of the show about rituals being
Speaker 6: like plays or anything, and I was like, yeah, I
Speaker 6: think you know kind of they are.
Speaker 5: From my experience, you.
Speaker 2: Can run them out like that. Yeah.
Speaker 6: But even from my experience with the OTO, thinking about
Speaker 6: taking some of the initiations, well, any of the ones
Speaker 6: I did, they were fucking long and drawn out, like yeah, well,
Speaker 6: I mean you could be answering and saying stuff to
Speaker 6: multiple people around you.
Speaker 2: It's just like, yeah, all the Masonic rites, Yeah.
Speaker 6: They all give you a context of like kind of
Speaker 6: like where you are and what's going on. You can
Speaker 6: figure it out from what people say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's I It's kind of been clear to
Speaker 2: me in the back of my head that this could
Speaker 2: be the case, but I never thought it would, you know,
Speaker 2: stack up the way the way that it did. This
Speaker 2: this one here, twenty four is Titus Andronicus. This is
Speaker 2: the one that I was talking about with the tongue
Speaker 2: being cut out. Plot summary. Roman general Titus Andronicus returns
Speaker 2: victorious and sacrifices a Goth princess, sparking a revenge spiral
Speaker 2: between his family and Tamora, queen of the Goths. The
Speaker 2: play is famously violent and depicts mutilation, rape and murder
Speaker 2: as revenge escalates without limit. The degree Prince of the
Speaker 2: Tabernacle number twenty four focuses on divine omnipresence, the immortality
Speaker 2: of the soul, serving God, country and brethren, faith and
Speaker 2: divine justice and spiritual reward. Apparent absence of the divine justice.
Speaker 2: Characters shoot, characters shoot arrows with pleas to the gods,
Speaker 2: but no visible divine intervention arrives revenge instead of faith.
Speaker 2: Let's see here the signs altar, which is crazy. He
Speaker 2: sacrifices in the play. He sacrifices a Goth princess on
Speaker 2: an altar. The symbols of that particular degree in freemasonry.
Speaker 2: The very first one is an altar cherubim, flaming sword,
Speaker 2: veil of sanctuary. Titus is the grim priest of vengeance,
Speaker 2: the killing of Lavinia. They have this big feast of revenge.
Speaker 2: Alter sacrifices, flaming sword symbolizing earth fits the brutality. See
Speaker 2: what that proverb ish proverb is gonna be the mouth
Speaker 2: of the just, bring us forth wisdom, But the fraward
Speaker 2: tongue shall be cut out. The degree teaches the divine
Speaker 2: order exist even when unseen. The frawered tongue describes the
Speaker 2: gos Saturnius, Tamora and Aaron Rome's mouth of the just.
Speaker 2: Mutilated tongues literally become symbols in Lavinia's mutilation. That's his daughter.
Speaker 2: They cut her, cut her tongue out. Proverbs imagery manifests
Speaker 2: literally in the play speech mutilation, justice, and divine silence.
Speaker 2: And then I'll do Romeo and Juliet because that one's
Speaker 2: pretty wild. Two fuck, I'll find it real quick. But
Speaker 2: now you know what Antony and Cleopatra. That's the thirty
Speaker 2: second degree. So that is the highest degree in Scottish
Speaker 2: Rite freemasonry other than the thirty third degree, which you
Speaker 2: can only be invited to. It's an honorary degree. So
Speaker 2: thirty second degree Master of the Royal secret And that's
Speaker 2: that's Antony and Cleopatra. Play Summarymark Antony, one of the
Speaker 2: three rulers of Rome, is torn between his duty to
Speaker 2: Rome and his love for Cleopatra, Queen of Egypt. Political
Speaker 2: tensions with Octavius Caesar escalate into war. Antony and Cleopatra's
Speaker 2: choices lead to defeat and their suicides. The themes are love, duty,
Speaker 2: East versus West, public versus private, identity, and the nature
Speaker 2: of greatness. You've got in masonry, the royal secret of equilibrium,
Speaker 2: the balance of opposing forces, justice versus mercy, reason verse passion,
Speaker 2: spirit versus matter, harmony between heavenly and earthly duties, understanding
Speaker 2: the true sovereignty is innermastery and not just external. Uh literally,
Speaker 2: the East and the West as opposites Roman Egypt, love
Speaker 2: and duty. Antony's downfall is a Roman who who chooses
Speaker 2: love over duty to his country, transfiguration and death. In
Speaker 2: the final scenes, Cleopatra reimagines Antony and herself in an
Speaker 2: almost mythic cosmic terms. Let's see, that's thirty two. So
Speaker 2: the sign the signs and symbols are really interesting in
Speaker 2: this one. You've got a skull, a black dagger, a
Speaker 2: Teutonic cross. Oh wait, no, that's not I'm in the
Speaker 2: wrong one. Uh here it is a bubble headed eagle,
Speaker 2: a globe, a crown, black and white reconciliation. Literally, Antony
Speaker 2: and Cleopatra are I just this just kind of hit me.
Speaker 2: The black and white reconciliation. You literally have a white
Speaker 2: Roman guy and you've got this this Egyptian princess. Antony
Speaker 2: and Cleopatra are literally two heads on one imperial body.
Speaker 2: And think about the very first symbol in this degree
Speaker 2: of freemasonry is a two headed eagle. Their fates turned
Speaker 2: on control of the globe. The double eagle, symbol of
Speaker 2: unity and duality, fits them both perfectly. Thirty two, you've
Speaker 2: got proverb the rich rule over the poor, and the
Speaker 2: bar is the servant to the lender of the degree.
Speaker 2: Antony borrows Caesar's political stability becomes servant to Rome. Cleopatra
Speaker 2: borrow's Antony's power becomes servant to passion. H Rome rules
Speaker 2: the poor. The proverb reflects ps psychological, political, and karmic
Speaker 2: debts at the heart of the play. Yeah, and then
Speaker 2: here we go. The uh cough is the cabalistic path,
Speaker 2: holiness or back of the head, the unseen, unseen motives,
Speaker 2: hidden passion, rule, destiny Othello's a really crazy one too,
Speaker 2: that that degree and play are all about judging. I'll
Speaker 2: just read it. I got it right. Here, do one,
Speaker 2: I'll do one more, and then I'll shut my eye.
Speaker 2: Uh let's see here. Yeah, thirty first degree is the
Speaker 2: inspector inquisitor Athello, the plot summary. Othello, a Morris general
Speaker 2: in Venetian service, secretly marries Desdemona. His ensign Iago drives,
Speaker 2: driven by envy and malice, manipulates events to convince Othello
Speaker 2: that Desdemona is unfaithful. Consumed by jealousy, Othello kills Desdemona
Speaker 2: and then himself when the truth is revealed. Trust, jealousy, race, manipulation,
Speaker 2: and the tragedy of misjudgment. In Masonry, the inspector inquisitor.
Speaker 2: This degree concerns moral self judgment and inner tribunal of
Speaker 2: conscious conscience, the duty to investigate motives with fairness and impartiality.
Speaker 2: He marks his wife because some dude told him some
Speaker 2: rumors about her banging somebody else. The danger of prejudice,
Speaker 2: I mean literally, Othello is the only like, hey, here's
Speaker 2: a black guy and a white woman play. I mean
Speaker 2: that is unheard of for that time, but for then
Speaker 2: the the the Masonic degree to literally deal in in
Speaker 2: danger of prejudice, rash judgment, and Brian credulity, and the
Speaker 2: need to balance justice with mercy. That that one's pretty
Speaker 2: my mind blowing. The proverb is uh.
Speaker 4: Who's so has been one of my favorite plays.
Speaker 2: It's great I've seen that two or three times, and
Speaker 2: it's always one of the best. Whoso keepeth his mouth
Speaker 2: and his tongue keepeth his soul from troubles. The degree
Speaker 2: warns against deception and manipulation, and the control of speech
Speaker 2: is a core lesson of that degree matches perfectly with
Speaker 2: the proverb alignment with the play Iago the unkept tongue
Speaker 2: that causes ruin. So literally, within the proverb it talks
Speaker 2: about talking crap and screwing stuff up. Othello fails to
Speaker 2: guard his mind or his speech. Desdemona's innocence is destroyed
Speaker 2: by false words. The proverb literally predicts the tragedy. The
Speaker 2: tongue destroys the soul. And let's see here, Yeah, Othello,
Speaker 2: that is gonna be Zadi or the righteous one. And uh,
Speaker 2: the whole play is righteousness corrupted by deception.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: The inspector inquisitor. Also Othello becomes the inspector inquisitor of
Speaker 2: his wife, judge, jury, and executioner. So that one I
Speaker 2: forgot about that Othello lines up maybe more perfectly than
Speaker 2: any of them Macbeth Hamlet, and it literally goes like
Speaker 2: that as you go down. And then also the thirty
Speaker 2: third degree, which is like this unknown degree. You've got
Speaker 2: the very last play in the Shakespeare folio, Cymbeline, which
Speaker 2: is a play that a lot of people say, yeah,
Speaker 2: whoever wrote it, they all wrote all these, but maybe
Speaker 2: not this one. It seems Simboline seems like off from
Speaker 2: from the rest of them. It's the thirty third degree.
Speaker 2: It's on page three sixty nine. There's a correlation between
Speaker 2: thirty three and three sixty nine. It's I'm sure there's
Speaker 2: I mean, this is just notes. This is more that
Speaker 2: I've typed out, and since I was in high school,
Speaker 2: for God's sakes, there's probably a book in this kind
Speaker 2: of mapping these things together. But there's there's tons more there.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 7: I wonder if it has anything to do with like
Speaker 7: the Keys of Solomon.
Speaker 2: Well, Solomon wrote problem, Yeah, Solomon wrote proverbs and most
Speaker 2: of you know, all a lot of Shakespeare's works deal
Speaker 2: with the Middle Ages, and I believe that's when you know,
Speaker 2: templars are coming back and people are coming back from
Speaker 2: the crusades in the Holy Land. I think that's really
Speaker 2: when Europe got saturated with actual texts from those Middle
Speaker 2: Eastern occult practices and whatnot. That's when all the grimoires
Speaker 2: show up. Now, they don't have anything older than the
Speaker 2: Middle Ages that is publicly known about, but all this
Speaker 2: esoteric wisdom from the East pops up in the Middle
Speaker 2: Ages and starts being practiced like in earnest and it
Speaker 2: just so happens that coincides with the end of the
Speaker 2: Crusades and the end of the Templars. So yeah, any
Speaker 2: questions anymore.
Speaker 1: Well, fascinating stuff. I just think those the miss ordered
Speaker 1: numbers are definitely interpret uh, presenting something uh with with
Speaker 1: what I've seen. The hints as far as like they
Speaker 1: left behind in relation to geometry and numerology kind of
Speaker 1: are what led people to go, Wait, Shakespeare is not real,
Speaker 1: it was this guy.
Speaker 2: It was these.
Speaker 1: So I'm sure I would bet anyway that those page
Speaker 1: numbers are communicating something. And I wonder maybe if they're
Speaker 1: it's as simple as possibly with the Fibonacci sequence.
Speaker 2: It's not close. It's actually close like the I was.
Speaker 2: I was thinking it off by like a number here
Speaker 2: or there.
Speaker 8: It's weird, okay, interesting. I was wondering, Yeah, if they
Speaker 8: were each kind of their own little cipher related to
Speaker 8: something too, that they come together.
Speaker 2: Uh, so I have I have a theory, and again
Speaker 2: I'm not mathematically minded to take it all the way,
Speaker 2: and I'd like to find somebody who could work with me.
Speaker 2: And I haven't found where anybody's ever ever tried to
Speaker 2: do it. But in the book The New Atlantis by
Speaker 2: Francis Bacon, it's almost unreadable because the amount of numbers
Speaker 2: that are listed in it, like it's like all numbers.
Speaker 2: It's like there were eight men and they were on
Speaker 2: two boats, and they rowed out to us, and they
Speaker 2: stayed five hundred feet away, and they asked us how
Speaker 2: many were on the boat, and we told them fifty.
Speaker 2: And they put are sick in two rooms, and they
Speaker 2: put us in seventeen rooms. And I mean, the whole
Speaker 2: it's almost unreadable because of it.
Speaker 4: That's exactly how it is.
Speaker 7: It's like exhausting, and it's like, what the fuck is
Speaker 7: this supposed to mean?
Speaker 2: So I took I went through that book and I
Speaker 2: recorded every number in order and ran it through an
Speaker 2: AI program just to see if there was anything anything there.
Speaker 2: And I mean and I ran it through like three
Speaker 2: different AI programs and they all each one said yes,
Speaker 2: there's something here. The markers for a code are are here?
Speaker 2: And then when I plugged in, hey, what about like
Speaker 2: Baconian code because he had specific ciphers like the Baconian
Speaker 2: cipher that he he created himself. And then when I
Speaker 2: did that, all of them were like, well, yeah, you
Speaker 2: have to do this, and then they want to run
Speaker 2: all these It just goes beyond my capability. But there's
Speaker 2: something in that. There's no way there's even like the
Speaker 2: in the first paragraph the words patience and deliverance. Now,
Speaker 2: this is a book about Christians who are lost at
Speaker 2: sea and just happened to bump been to an island
Speaker 2: that nobody ever knew of that's filled with other Christians
Speaker 2: that save their lives, and the words patients and deliverance
Speaker 2: are used on like the first page and never used
Speaker 2: again in the rest of the book. Which those are
Speaker 2: two like I looked up the odds of that, and
Speaker 2: it's it's pretty astronomical considering like the speech of the time.
Speaker 2: But the two ships, Remember I told you that when
Speaker 2: they crash landed on Bermuda, they took apart the old
Speaker 2: ship and built two ships, and that they named those
Speaker 2: two ships the Patients and the Deliverance and the New
Speaker 2: Atlantis came out in sixteen I believe it was sixteen
Speaker 2: twenty six, So you've got The Tempest being written in
Speaker 2: sixteen ten, the King James Bible in sixteen eleven, sixteen
Speaker 2: twenty three is the first folio, and then sixteen twenty
Speaker 2: six isl when Bacon dies and The New Atlantis is
Speaker 2: published posthumously. Posthumously. Yeah, so I think there's something something
Speaker 2: in there, and I think that that particular book connects
Speaker 2: as well. And one of those ships that disappeared just
Speaker 2: happened to have fifty people on it, which is the
Speaker 2: exact number of the people in the New Atlantis on
Speaker 2: the ship that were lost at sea. So it's interesting too.
Speaker 2: And if you look back, the captain of that particular
Speaker 2: ship that went missing forever was a guy named Matthew Fitch.
Speaker 2: But if you look back, if you're a nerd like
Speaker 2: me and you have the complete works of John Smith,
Speaker 2: Matthew Fitch was one of the original mariners who came
Speaker 2: over in sixteen oh seven, and in July of sixteen
Speaker 2: oh seven he was killed by a Native. And then
Speaker 2: in sixteen oh nine he's all of a sudden, the
Speaker 2: captain of the ship the catch in the supply mission
Speaker 2: that goes missing forever that has fifty people on it,
Speaker 2: and then Bacon's New Atlantis comes out with a book
Speaker 2: about fifty people lost at sea on a ship and
Speaker 2: a dead guy was supposedly the captain of Yeah, it's weird,
Speaker 2: And they specifically say in the history that the captain
Speaker 2: of that particular ship that went missing the catch was
Speaker 2: the mariner Matthew Fitch, who was on the original sixteen
Speaker 2: oh seven mission, but right clearly in John Smith's works,
Speaker 2: he talks about going out on a hunting expedition in
Speaker 2: the woods around Jamestown and he gets Matthew Fitch gets
Speaker 2: mortally wounded by an arrow from a native. There's all
Speaker 2: kinds of weird crap in Virginia and Jamestown, Bacon and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. So go on forever.
Speaker 5: That's so, that's weird.
Speaker 6: It's also like wonders of why yes, didn't yeah like yeah,
Speaker 6: like like yeah, support of like was there any questions
Speaker 6: that you guys wanted to ask anything, or anything that
Speaker 6: you wanted to bring up? You know, I think that
Speaker 6: was pretty Uh, that's a lot of ship dude. You
Speaker 6: really have to look at this Shakespeare's stuff.
Speaker 2: Dude. I'm telling you it's it's old hat. The bit.
Speaker 2: I feel like the the Bacon Shakespeare Mason thing is
Speaker 2: is almost been beat to death to where like even
Speaker 2: us conspiracy folks are like, oh this again. But the
Speaker 2: more it all trickles back, I really do think Bacon
Speaker 2: and masonry is that connective tissue. As much as we
Speaker 2: want to look at like the Masons now as these
Speaker 2: like fish Fry community like Leader guys, there is something.
Speaker 2: There is a nugget in that that system that I
Speaker 2: really think is responsible for the stewardship of of the
Speaker 2: the kind of Bacon ideal and the new Atlantis plan.
Speaker 4: In the bloodlines too. It's just so weird.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't keep those bloodlines going and and
Speaker 2: the knowledge of them, you know, known publicly. You have
Speaker 2: to do it within a system like this, and that's
Speaker 2: the perfect system for for you know, the monarchy used
Speaker 2: to be one thing, but again that writing was on
Speaker 2: the wall. Monarchies were falling.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you very much. Man. Yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 5: was a lot of stuff.
Speaker 6: You got me wonder about the OTO, but they have
Speaker 6: different the number of degrees.
Speaker 2: But I mean, doesn't it I mean, wasn't the OTO.
Speaker 2: I mean influences.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 6: It was. It was originally more degrees and when Crowley
Speaker 6: took it over, he knocked out of them and also
Speaker 6: made a basic the Book.
Speaker 2: Of the Law. And Crowley went to some of the
Speaker 2: some of them.
Speaker 5: I do think what's going on in the initiations?
Speaker 2: Yeah, still follow Yeah, oh yeah. And Crowley was a
Speaker 2: thirty third degree mason out of Mexico. He went down
Speaker 2: to Mexico and studied masonry. I mean he was pretty
Speaker 2: he was pretty into it, but I mean he he
Speaker 2: kind of did that with with everything. He kind of
Speaker 2: had this pattern of joining in order and then causing
Speaker 2: chaos and then being like peace, I'm out, like going
Speaker 2: starting over again with another one.
Speaker 6: But yeah, right before we wrap it up, a let
Speaker 6: a let it my look their stuff again, Julia, I
Speaker 6: want to remind everybody, but they can find all your
Speaker 6: amazing stuff.
Speaker 7: Yeah, thanks so much for having me. This one was
Speaker 7: really interesting. I knew it would be Cosmic Peach podcast.
Speaker 7: Wherever you listen to podcasts. I got some cool min
Speaker 7: Nindas Brothers stuff up right now that you can check out.
Speaker 7: But yeah, thanks for having me and loved the conversation.
Speaker 6: Yes, so did I actually got stuck in so many thoughts.
Speaker 6: I was just like a fuck, but like it was
Speaker 6: all I I don't know. I didn't want to go
Speaker 6: up on tangents.
Speaker 2: That's what happens every time I'm at work listening to
Speaker 2: the occult rejacts. I was even like hearing you guys,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, dude, I gotta and then I
Speaker 2: find another path that I'm like dying down for like
Speaker 2: three days.
Speaker 6: He said something like about War of the Roses like
Speaker 6: thirty minutes ago, and I was like kept on like
Speaker 6: thinking about something. So yeah, Ethan Indigo, Please, sir, let
Speaker 6: everybody know where they can find amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nick, Julia and you guys rock. Ernie, thank you
Speaker 1: so much. That was really interesting. I never looked away.
Speaker 1: Great correspondence and lessons in that. I can't wait to
Speaker 1: look at it more, honestly, Ethan Indigo Smith Online.
Speaker 2: I'm doing a.
Speaker 1: Podcast too with Headless and Ricardo on Sundays Monday Trialogues.
Speaker 1: And I have a bunch of books available and writing
Speaker 1: coming out frequently anyway, So and I appreciate everyone in
Speaker 1: the chat too.
Speaker 6: Thanks Nick, everyone, thank you, sir, thank you, and Ernie.
Speaker 6: Please let everybody know where the can find leaders.
Speaker 2: Yep, Virginia is for conspiracy lovers, podcasts everywhere podcasts are,
Speaker 2: and then we're over there on d oh in YouTube,
Speaker 2: I think I forgot to say. We do have a
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Speaker 2: personal research is visual and so I throw up maps
Speaker 2: and diagrams and lay lines and stuff like that. So
Speaker 2: it's worth going to we've been we took about two
Speaker 2: months off, but we're about to start hitting it pretty
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Speaker 5: Well, so thank you for coming on again. That stuff
Speaker 5: as wild and even the people listen.
Speaker 6: Again, I do say this a lot, uh the people
Speaker 6: if you're catching the replay, check the chat, the people
Speaker 6: in the chat. A lot of a lot of stuff
Speaker 6: to too. Got stuck on that too a couple of times.
Speaker 6: But uh again, Julia, I appreciate you coming on. It's
Speaker 6: always nice to have you here for real. It's great
Speaker 6: to see you. And Ethan appreciate it as well. I oh,
Speaker 6: both you guys are on the same like time zone,
Speaker 6: so yeah, I appreciate you guys dealing with this as well.
Speaker 6: And Ernie for real, for real, It's always a pleasure
Speaker 6: to have you on.
Speaker 5: You always welcome on.
Speaker 6: Anytime you got a topic, you can always hell yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, it's always some wild ship.
Speaker 2: I got another one coming. I think Thomasson was a murderer,
Speaker 2: so okay, all right, did you with that. I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure he killed his mentor the guy that made the
Speaker 2: booby flag so that he could keep slavery in existence.
Speaker 2: That should be incendiary, al.
Speaker 5: Right, I look forward to that.
Speaker 6: Oh that's the end of this one, and again, thank
Speaker 6: you everybody in the chat. I appreciate that. And uh,
Speaker 6: until the next one, everybody be.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Bye bye
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