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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show. A'm Martin Willisher host.

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I'm real excited about tonight's guests. Actually it's a pre

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recorded show and I just love doing face to face

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interviews and this was the case in Sedona, and I

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got to tell you I had such a great time.

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I've mentioned it on last couple days ago on Tuesday

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Night show. But it was a lot of fun. I

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got to meet a lot of like minded people. It's

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always enjoyable and just you know, I mean the area

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Sedona is just here's a couple of pictures and I'll

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also put these pictures in the show notes for those

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of you listening on audio. So this is called bell

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Rock and so here's a picture here my producer, Donna,

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and Travis Walton and Matt who came to meet me.

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There were three people, Ron, Joel and Matt. Thank you

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guys for coming to meet me. A shout out to you,

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and also a shout out to anyone that maybe new

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because a lot of people in Sodona said they were

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going to start listening to the show, So thank you

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for that. You're welcome to join in chat. It's always

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a lot of fun in there. This was the panel

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at the end, it was really interesting and you know

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what I thought, my producer said, as we were on

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our way home, no one asked this panel what they

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thought about the three I Atlas, because there's so many

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weird things going on in the internet around circulating about that.

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I got to say, Jennifer Stein put on one heck

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of a conference. It was really really worth going to

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and a couple things. So I wanted to just talk

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about first of all, our Oh you know what I'm

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going to do. I'm going to go back and just

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identify these people for the person watching. So from if

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you're facing the screen from left to right, we have

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Melinda Leslie, Ron James, Doctor, JJ Hurdick, Travis Walton, of course,

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David Childres, Don Schmidt, and Jennifer Stein. So speaking of Jennifer,

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I mean speaking of Don Schmidt. That is next week.

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Next Tuesday is going to be a pre recorded show

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and I've had a number of probably ten conversations over

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the years with Don Schmidt. I have to say this

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one on one that we had and Sedona is my

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absolute favorite. I hope you tune in for that next Tuesday.

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Also is our weekly blogs, Encounters on the Roads of

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Spain by Charles Learr. Is this last week's So, how

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it's going to work tonight? Is I'm going to play

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a clip of Travis Walton receiving the move On Canada

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and America Lifetime Achievement award and someone, you know, I

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did post the full video. This is a clip of it.

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Some people said, well, what did he achieve? Well, I'll

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tell you one thing he achieved is he didn't fall

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apart after he had his experience. He's kept exactly the

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same story. I listened, I said this last week. I

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listened to an interview with him just a couple of

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weeks after the incident, and then you listen to an

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interview today and it's exactly the same. And it's such

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a bizarre thing too, the way everything happened, you know,

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I mean, if someone was going to make up a story,

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it would be much simpler than that. I do believe.

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this is Travis Walton. It's a shortened version. The full

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version is on my YouTube channel under shorts or Reels.

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And right after that, I'm going to be playing the

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Great interview with Stacy and so remember next week it's

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Staun Schmidt on Tuesday and Irena Scott will be on Thursday.

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All righty one, here we go.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 3: Tonight we honor a man whose story has echoed across generations,

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across continents, and across the dirty boundaries of belief, a

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man who didn't choose the spotlight, but whose life was

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forever changed by it. Nearly five decades ago, Travis Walton

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vanished from the Arizona Wilderness. For five days, the world

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held its breath, and when he returned, he carried with

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him a story that would challenge science, shake skeptics, and

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ignite a global conversation about what lies beyond. Unlike many

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in the UFO community, Travis never saw fame. He didn't

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step forward. He was thrust forward. As Travis Walton reminds us,

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that courage isn't just surviving the extraordinary, it's standing by

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it year after year with grace, humility, and unshakable authenticity.

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Tonight we celebrate not just the man who lived the experience,

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but the man who lived with it, who carried it,

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who honored it. It is no easy feat to walk

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in Travis Walton's footsteps, but because he did, the world

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is forever changed, and so on behalf of Moufon Canada

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and Moufon United States. We are proud to present Travis

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Walton with the Lifetime Achievement Award for his unwavering dedication

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to truth, his resilience in the face of doubt, and

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the legacy he leaves behind.

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Speaker 2: May this award be recorded with respect, made travisy exploring,

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he remembered with.

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Speaker 3: Accuracy, and made his integrity inspire generations to come. You're back,

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it's could be back with you.

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Speaker 1: Remember how many years ago it's been. I know Graham

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Hagcock can be a little bit controversial, but I like

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him and I think he's really great when he's diving

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into you know, all this ancient things makes so much sense.

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Speaker 3: Hard, and he's really good at defending his theories.

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Speaker 1: And yes, that's that's well said. I think he is

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very good at defending his theories when he's often attacked. Yeah,

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you know, and it's things that are hard to prove.

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But you know, I think realistically, I think a lot

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of our history books are going to be re re

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Speaker 3: I hope so they absolutely need it, and especially the

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archaeology side. I mean, you can't really argue with what

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we're finding as far as the dating of everything that's right.

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you have your hand on an artifact that's right. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And now there was a story about this several years ago,

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this woman archaeologist that discovered something that didn't fit the agenda,

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and she was basically blackbald. She said it would have

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been okay if it was something twenty thousand years, but

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this was like two hundred thousand years and she was

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basically blackbald for talking about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Academia does not forgive very easily. Yeah, but I

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think there's millions of us that believe that the history

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books do need to be rewritten. They were written from

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the viewpoint of the conquerors, always.

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Speaker 1: Always, and there's just written by the victors, as they say, Yeah, so.

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Speaker 3: Much more to the story. And you know, like Graham

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be proven now. So yeah, it's just really interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So how did your journey go? You know,

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you read the books you got interested in. How did

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your journey go into getting involved, let's say, mof on

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and other things, any other things.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I just kept reading and I thought,

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had the Phoenix Lights happen there, there's got to be

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some great UFO meeting happening here, you know, as nutty

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as it could be. I thought I want to go

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you talked about the Phoenix Lights. Were you in Phoenix

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when that happened.

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not see it. Yeah, I did not see it. I

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like what, So, well, I did not witness it, but

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you know we're still talking about it there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, okay, So continue, I'm sorry interrupted you. Okay.

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Speaker 3: So I just was looking for a meeting, and I

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found this crazy sounding group called Moufon, and I thought, well,

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you know, I'll write to them and say, hey, how

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come there's now meetings going on. So I didn't know

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director of Moufon, but he wrote back to me and said, yeah,

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it's Lamee dormant for seven or eight years there. We

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don't know why, but give me a couple of weeks

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and we're going to try to get a meeting going.

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So they did that. I attended that first meeting and

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they were looking for someone to become field investigator and

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maybe start up a new chapter there in Phoenix. And

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there was about four people at this first meeting that

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I went to, and I thought, well, I can probably

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do that. I've never ran a meeting before or spoken

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in front of people, but I thought I can probably

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do this. So I raised my hand and it just

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kind of started from there, and we've grown from I

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think we've been through six different venues. Now we keep

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out growing the venues and now we're anywhere from one

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people at each of our monthly meetings. Oh so it

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was a success story and I think the area was

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Speaker 1: And you just said, unfortunately the venue has been flooded

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Speaker 3: Things right now. There was some flooding that happened with

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these recent heavy rains that we've had in September, So

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it affected the auditorium where we meet, and it's under

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restoration right now. And of course it's a state run facility.

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Speaker 3: State run thing, you've got to put all that out

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Speaker 1: And there was going to be a Travis Walton event.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Travis's fiftieth anniversary of his event here in the

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Mountains would have been on November fifth, and so we

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happened to have asked him to come and speak at

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the Phoenix move On meeting for November eighth, and we

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reception afterward. It all had to be canceled, Yeah, all

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presentation last night, okay, but was it going to be

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: All right, So why don't we we talk about this.

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Speaker 3: Yes? It is?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So anyway, it was wonderful to see Travis

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Speaker 3: It was, and anything less than a Lifetime Achievement Award

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would have been silly for this man because fifty years

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of going through everything that he did and standing by

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it and story never changing, and it was It's just

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the most genuine thing you've ever heard. So of course

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he had to have something, you know, that would accommodate

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him that way. So we were lucky enough to you know,

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have the Skyfire Summit happening, and we decided to just

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present everything here and Sidona Mofon has done a great

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job of making this all happen here, and so it

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was a He actually seved three awards last night, Yes,

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and it was just wonderful to see all that happening

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for him, and yeah it was. It was pretty moving

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for everyone. I barely finished that without, you know, having

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a couple of tears come along for me too, But yeah,

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it was. It was a beautiful moment.

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Speaker 1: It was moving for everyone there. And I have to

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tell you, well, I have to tell the audience, you know,

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I introduced Travis and Jennifer Stein at the event here,

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and what I put across was that, I don't know,

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maybe two weeks ago, Donna, my producer, and I were

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driving along and had a long drive ahead of us,

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so I looked at Eyes on Cinema and I found

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Travis Walton's original first interview in nineteen seventy five, I

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listened to that thing, and it's just like he's telling

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the story today. There is nothing embellished, there's nothing changed.

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to anyone who's a naysayer, and that is just think

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His details about you know, his being in pain when

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he wakes up. You know what he thinks is an

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operating table. The people above him that he realized that

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weren't doctors after a while grabbing the rod type thing,

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trying to you know, get them away. They're stare at him,

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like controlling him with trying to control him with their stare,

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the fact that he could hardly breathe. Then this person

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that looked like a person shows up with like a

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fishbowl helmet and then walk them into another room where

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he sees other people without the helmets. You know, I'm

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just seeing these details are so intense and you know why,

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how could you couldn't even imagine something like that? Right,

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So I think that gives a lot of credibility. So

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it's such an unusual and counters.

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Speaker 3: You know, this guy went through so much and he

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recalls so greatly the detail on this. Yeah, but it's

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very simple and it's telling and it just comes across

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you just know that he is one of those salt

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of the Earth people. Travis Walton. He's just full of integrity,

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So yeah, you have to believe him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've had a lot of we try to

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get away from that noise, and the noise seems to

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be following us. Sorry everyone, there's kids, so it really

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you know, I've asked some questions like do you remember

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using the bathroom? What was that? Like, you know, it's no,

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he didn't remember any of that. I asked him about smells.

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He said, no, all I remember is really hard breathe.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, he was suffocating. It felt like the

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oxygen level might have been low. And he talks about

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his fear level and you know, you could imagine that too,

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and his level of surprise when he came to and

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then you know, and it does sound like maybe they

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gave him some humanoid looking people that wouldn't scare him

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as much as the ray beings that he was seeing,

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or there just have been there could have just been

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different extraterrestrial species working together too. You know, it's really

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hard to tell.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, you also think about food. He

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was gone five days, but that's kind of a gray

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area because maybe he wasn't gone five days to him,

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but he did have beard growth when he came back. Yes, so,

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you know, but maybe the time was different somehow, I

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mean times involved here. Somehow, there's some type of correlation

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between time and all these things going on. I do

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believe that's my own thing. But you know, just the

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fact that he thought he was gone for you know,

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a few hours. He didn't know that he was gone, and.

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Speaker 3: He wasn't depleted in any way. He said he felt fine.

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He came out of it better than he felt that

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he went into it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I've talked with him personally, and he says he felt

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like he's enhanced because of the situation.

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Speaker 1: Yeap. And he was worried about health ushers for a

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long time, but his health is good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's good. He came out of it stronger.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So it's an amazing story.

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Speaker 1: It is. It is. And you know, he's he's not

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someone that's like prone to get into other you know,

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I had a conversation with him recently. He's not prone

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to really look at other cases so much other than his.

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But he's also had a couple of UFO sightings himself

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since that time, which is you know, and it was

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hard for him to talk about because he's worried about it.

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Somehow affecting the aspect of his credibility. Yeah, so I understand.

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Speaker 3: And see that there's still a lot of giggle factor

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out there people have, and it's just really sad that

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they can't be a little more open minded that it exists.

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Speaker 1: Now, you're here in this wonderful, beautiful place where you

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can see miles and miles and miles. What's the activity like?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, the Sedona area seems to always be

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a hotspot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And you know, if you've ever been here and visited,

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you see the red rocks everywhere. You know that there's

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a lot of magnetism going on here. That's iron oxide

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leeching out of the hillsides. Ah, So there's a lot

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of magnetism here. So we have always wondered, is it

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the magnetics that maybe is drawing the craft in here?

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What could it be? You know, there's the vortex sites

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that they have here, and I've felt that myself. I'm

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not the kind of person that usually feels real sensitive

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to stuff like that, but there's one location here that

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has pretty much made me keel over the three times

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that I visited it. So there's some going on here.

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I'm not sure what it is, but those vortex sites

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really do have some kind of feeling to them, some

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kind of magnetics. It's kind of strange, So fun but strange.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, I used chat GPT quite a bit for

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different things, questions and stuff. And when David Childress was

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talking yesterday, I looked up a lot of this stuffing

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was talking about live real time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, so I looked up when I was coming

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out here, vor Texas, and there's like five or six places.

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There's some type of bridge they talk about. There's several

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places where they say. One of them is a ranch.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Bradshaw Ranch.

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Speaker 1: Bradshaw Ranch, that's correct.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, there's Bradshaw Ranch. There's the airport, which I

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went and visited myself at.

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Speaker 1: The airport, that's right. Yeah, yeah, you said the airport, yes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I sat up there and watched the planes

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come and go for a little while this morning. So, yeah,

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there's Bradshaw Ranch. And there's another hiking spot on the

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way up to the airport that's supposed to have some

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kind of something going on there too. I haven't ever

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felt anything there a bit, but yeah, it's loaded with believers,

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visitors from all parts of the world are here. There's

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a little bit of everything going on. It's kind of

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like Disneyland, and Sedona is not a large town, but

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it seems like it is because it's just busy with tourists.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: You have the pink jeep tours going by.

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Speaker 1: I saw that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you have the nighttime skywatching tours, and there's

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just a little bit of everything going on here, right,

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But it's a fun place, and you know, if that's

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what it takes to bring people here and maybe learn

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a little bit more about the subject and get a

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little more educated than great come see it.

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Speaker 1: And it's funny. I've had two or three listeners to

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the show shout out to them, Oh god, I don't

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remember their names right now, but they had came here.

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They came here specially because they knew that I was

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going to be here, and they came to meet me,

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which was wonderful, and so I was really I always love,

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you know, running into it because I always asked them,

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how'd you find my show? That's important to me, you know,

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how do people find my show? And most of them say,

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I don't really remember, just.

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Speaker 3: Was looking UFO stuff and there you are.

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Speaker 1: Yeaheah, it's pretty easy if you're looking for a podcast

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and you're looking at on UFOs. I did that purposely, of.

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Speaker 3: Course, getten nice and clear. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The only reason I didn't name my show UFO podcast

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because that ur well was taken. But anyway, so why

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let's talk. I'm sorry I'm getting a little scattered here,

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but I want to talk about the Phoenix Lights. Okay,

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there was actually someone that was going to come up

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here and meet with me. I haven't seen him, and

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maybe i'll show up today. That was one of the witnesses,

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and he's been on a number of shows and things

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like that. But about the Phoenix Lights, is there still

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a lot of controversy about that? I mean, I know

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it was so long ago, nineteen ninety seven, March thirteenth,

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but is there still a lot of controversy about the

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flares and all that.

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Speaker 3: You've got a mixed bag of believers on this, but

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it's people that really haven't looked into the timeline of

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what was happening in that day or so surrounding the

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Phoenix Lights. What happened is really at eight thirty at

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night is when the lights showed up. Okay, and then

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there was the big side. And you see on TV

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where you hear the guy in the background that says

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major siding here, Yes, ten pm. That's ten pm, And

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that is when Operation Snowbird was going on down in

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Tucson at Davis smanth And Air Force Base, and they

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were dropping illumination flares at that time.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 3: They had a maneuver that they were doing and they

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just said, oh, it just all tied into this. No,

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those were flares that everyone saw. No, the main siding

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was eight thirty, not ten pm. So you know, knowing

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that we do know how to tell time, makes a

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little bit of a difference there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, there was you know, there was tens of

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thousands of people that were witnessed to this and there

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was over one thousand, nine to one one calls that

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came in, and so it was really well documented. Not

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everyone had a cell phone back then. It was really

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ever anyone have any kind of a phone like that

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with a camera, but they.

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Speaker 1: Did have camera. A few people did have video cameras

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had video.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we've come across some new footage just recently

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from a whole fire department that was close to Prescott

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that was out there witnessing it. So we're in the

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process of getting this information right now. So Mary Ann

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rob might be your person to ask about that.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, yeah, she's on that. Oh yeah, so but.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there were so many people that saw things. We

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have different stories. We still have stories coming in all

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the time. We probably have three or four people reporting

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it in now saying you know, I saw that back then,

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but I just felt like I could not say anything

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back then. Something told me to just be quiet. I

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could not report that in now. Yeah, I want to

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tell you about this. So we're still getting pieces of

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the puzzle and we're hoping to combine all that, you know,

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with the database that we have and maybe, you know,

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fix that puzzle a little bit, you know, yeah, see

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what we can we can get out of it. But

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it was still something that was not felt by anyone

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to be harmful. It was very peaceful. There was people

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that had messages that said sit still and just watch.

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So it was a display of some sort and we

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don't know, you know, there's a lot of people say, well,

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it came from the corner of Nevada down there, that's

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where area fifty one is, and it came all the

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way across the state. It had to be something at

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Area fifty one that got loose. Yeah, okay, so it

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got loose. Was it something of ours that we were

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keeping super secret? You know, and they decided to fly

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it across the city just to see what the reaction was. Well,

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that's kind of silly if they were trying to keep

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it that secret. If it was et stuff that was

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housed at Area fifty one, then yeah, did it just

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get loose? And they decided to take a joy ride

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down the freeway because they could see all the lights.

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They kind of followed the freeway all the way through Arizona,

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which is interesting to me. So, you know, we just

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don't know exactly what that was. But when you hear

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that it was.

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Speaker 1: Peter Davenport has talked on my show here a number

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of times about some people thinking that it might have

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been eight miles wide, right, And that's that's the varying crazy.

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Speaker 3: But a lot of the accounts say, how super large

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this was? Yeah, just so large that you can't even

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wrap your head around it. Do you love to see

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something like that? You know?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god? Yes, Do you think the pilot that

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was totally shooken up? That land. I guess he was uncontrollably.

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Speaker 3: Shaken up, had to be walked off the tarm helped

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off the tarmac because he was so shaken by what

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he had seen up there. So I would love to

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find out exactly who that was. That story just kind

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of ended right there, and I could not find out

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any information beyond that. But yeah, I'd love to get

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that person's.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's a possibility someday that you know,

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I mean, who knows how old he is at this

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point or whatever.

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Speaker 3: We get a lot of things as deathbed confessions even,

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you know, so maybe one day we'll find out.

475
00:24:55,799 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I wonder I guess we can only speculate

476
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,079
why it shook them up like that. I mean, was

477
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,160
it the size of it, was that the you know,

478
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:06,599
what was it that?

479
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 3: You know?

480
00:25:08,319 --> 00:25:10,559
Speaker 1: Again, a lot of you know, it seemed like it

481
00:25:10,599 --> 00:25:12,720
was kind of peaceful. Some people said that they looked

482
00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:16,400
up and it was like rippling through like you could

483
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,079
see kind of rippling through it.

484
00:25:18,039 --> 00:25:20,079
Speaker 3: Right, that it was opaque, that you could see the

485
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,359
stars through it. It's kind of like water.

486
00:25:22,799 --> 00:25:23,599
Speaker 1: Yeah.

487
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, and everyone did report the lights that were

488
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,160
embedded on the underside of the wingspan. Yeah, so that

489
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,880
seems to be a common thread. But yeah, people said

490
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:42,839
it just went super slow, super low, and completely silent, right,

491
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,839
And that's the thing that gets me is the silence

492
00:25:45,839 --> 00:25:49,039
of it, because everything, even back in ninety seven, I'm

493
00:25:49,079 --> 00:25:51,680
not sure we had technology to do that. Everything we

494
00:25:51,759 --> 00:25:55,200
have that has high propulsion is also very loud, yes,

495
00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:59,839
everything that's loud. Yeah, So to have something that size,

496
00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:04,160
almost hovering, going that slow and it was very low, Yeah,

497
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,039
why was there no noise? How come we couldn't hear

498
00:26:06,079 --> 00:26:10,240
a thing, No wearing sound, no humming right, no big

499
00:26:10,319 --> 00:26:12,720
jet engine kind of sound, there was just nothing. So

500
00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:15,759
that to me is otherworldly when you see that it

501
00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:16,759
was completely silent.

502
00:26:17,039 --> 00:26:19,079
Speaker 1: Well, you know, when I had my own personal sighting,

503
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:23,359
that's the number one thing that stood out to me

504
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:28,119
was it was moving and it was perfectly silent. And

505
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,160
I had never heard I've never really had looked into

506
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,640
other UFO sightings, so I never heard anyone talk about that.

507
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,519
So I had no idea and mine had the one

508
00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:43,240
unusual thing had like a plasma blue glow around it,

509
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,519
and I've only heard one other person talk about something

510
00:26:46,599 --> 00:26:49,720
like that, So you know, I mean, I have no

511
00:26:49,759 --> 00:26:53,079
idea what it was. But to me, it felt otherworldly.

512
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,079
You know, it was perfectly round circle, like a disc.

513
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,960
And you know, that's why I'm here, That's why I'm

514
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,720
doing the show for all these years because that was

515
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,200
such a puzzle to me. But the number one thing

516
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,480
was the silence. I just couldn't, you know, it didn't

517
00:27:07,519 --> 00:27:10,079
make any sense to me. And then it stopped, like

518
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,319
stopped like you know, and stayed in one place and

519
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,079
then went off at an angle.

520
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 3: And I was like, I think it was stopping to

521
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:19,680
observe you.

522
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: No, it was. It was in a distance when it

523
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,359
stopped away from me, and then it headed toward Monterey.

524
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,880
I was in Carmel Valley, California, and it was heading

525
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:35,000
like toward Carmel and then stopped and then went toward Monterey.

526
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,359
That and there is a naval school or something in Monterey.

527
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,640
So I don't know if I had anything to do

528
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,319
with anything, but you know, it's all. But I did,

529
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,839
you know, I didn't. I called the nine one one

530
00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:49,839
because I didn't know what to do. But anyway, I

531
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,960
never even thought that there'd be any online reporting of

532
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,480
any type. I had no idea, so I didn't report it.

533
00:27:56,519 --> 00:27:59,799
But over the years, I've looked. I have looked, and

534
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,640
you know, I even forget, forgot exactly the month it

535
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,559
wasn't in two thousand and seven, but I did find

536
00:28:06,279 --> 00:28:08,799
that they're in November of two thousand and seven, there

537
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:14,640
was a sighting in the Monterey area. Yeah, but they

538
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,279
described a cigar shape, So I don't know if it's

539
00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:17,599
the same.

540
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 3: You know, you still can report that in too, move on.

541
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,079
I know we take old maybe news stuff.

542
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: Okay, I should do it.

543
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 3: We have that now.

544
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 1: I can't nail down the date I didn't.

545
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,279
Speaker 3: Maybe a field investigator can you know, when they look

546
00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:32,839
at that database and compare things, they can find things

547
00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:35,559
in the area that were similar, other people that may

548
00:28:35,559 --> 00:28:38,880
have seen something similar. So yeah, I supported in just

549
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:39,440
to see.

550
00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: What anything, I'll do it, I'll do it.

551
00:28:42,599 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 3: Move on dot Com.

552
00:28:43,799 --> 00:28:48,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I know that. But anyway, you know,

553
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,240
I mean, I've had a few other things happened since

554
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,160
that time, but I've I've always been reluctant to say

555
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:59,599
something because like Travis Walton, maybe I'm not saying anything

556
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,440
like Walton, but I'm afraid of I don't want to

557
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,839
do anything to affect my credibility. So but I did

558
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,279
see what was going across the sky do a zigzag,

559
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,559
you know. And there was another incident too, and then

560
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:19,960
one of my UFO sightings on film end up being explained.

561
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,799
And I like that personally. I bet you do too,

562
00:29:24,359 --> 00:29:25,759
when you can figure out.

563
00:29:25,759 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 3: When we get answers, that's what we're looking for.

564
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's so many really great things that you

565
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,759
don't need to embellish, you don't need to have. All

566
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:39,119
we really want is an answer, right, I mean, that's

567
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,480
all that really matters is to find out what these

568
00:29:41,519 --> 00:29:47,359
things are. But I still so on that line. You

569
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,640
know a lot of people talk about disclosure. That was

570
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:57,319
talked a lot in the last day. Here my personal thoughts,

571
00:29:57,519 --> 00:29:59,400
I don't really know if we're going to actually hit

572
00:29:59,759 --> 00:30:03,160
real disclosure all the way through. What are your ideas

573
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:03,359
on that?

574
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 3: You know? I think it's happening every day in little bits,

575
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,359
uh huh. You know, it's not disclosure with a big D,

576
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,319
disclosure with a little D. And I think that every

577
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,960
day we compound on that. I think that things that

578
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,079
are happening every day we put them all together. It

579
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,880
might take a really long time until we build this

580
00:30:21,079 --> 00:30:23,039
up to what we think is disclosure and it's a

581
00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:24,400
different thing for everyone too.

582
00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.

583
00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:27,359
Speaker 3: A lot of people, you know the old adage, Oh yeah,

584
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,480
well when they land on the White House lawn, they

585
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:34,279
will have disclosure. But you know they've flown over the capitol.

586
00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:37,160
That really didn't that didn't do it do much back

587
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:37,759
in fifty two.

588
00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:38,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

589
00:30:39,359 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 3: So, but you know, people are seeing things and feeling

590
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,599
things every day, and then the experiencers and contact d's

591
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,160
that we have that are just everywhere, people need to

592
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,200
listen to them more. They are basically our experts right now.

593
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,240
They have more experience than we do on this subject,

594
00:30:54,319 --> 00:30:56,559
and so they need to be heard. They need to

595
00:30:56,559 --> 00:30:58,799
be helped, you know, and move on. Has this great

596
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:03,200
experience or resource team that helps these people to realize

597
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,480
they're not crazy. You're not going through this alone. You

598
00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:08,960
did see what you saw. Let us let us document

599
00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:11,359
this for you and help you through this so that

600
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,039
you can know that what you saw is real and

601
00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:15,599
not be so bothered by it anymore.

602
00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: Does Kathy Martin have an involvement with.

603
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,359
Speaker 3: That, Yeah, she still does. Yeah, she's still involved with that.

604
00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:24,799
George Metich is the director for that with moufon right

605
00:31:24,839 --> 00:31:27,759
now and has a great team under him of you know,

606
00:31:27,839 --> 00:31:30,720
counselors and field investigators and people that can really.

607
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: Help now move on. It took a while from moufon

608
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,359
to go down that route, and it actually when I

609
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,799
started my show, it took me a long time before actually,

610
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,279
you know, I was on the fence about it, and

611
00:31:43,319 --> 00:31:47,160
then until I met certain people like Travis is one

612
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,160
of them, and then you know, the Aleig Ashinson and

613
00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:54,960
I met those people and later Calvin Parker and all

614
00:31:54,960 --> 00:32:00,640
these so and you know, it's hard not to think

615
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,119
like a human when you're trying to think of what

616
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,559
these beings could be. But the human experience would be

617
00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:09,920
if we're going to explore, we're also going to explore

618
00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:13,680
the animals or whatever wherever we're at, you know, the

619
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,039
dark to the polar bear, you know, that type of situation.

620
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,440
It kind of makes sense, you know, because there's definitely

621
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,480
something visiting us. I don't know, I still say, I

622
00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:26,640
don't know where, if it's actually from another planet or whatever,

623
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,759
but it does make sense for them to look at

624
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,119
more than just observing us from afar, right.

625
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,519
Speaker 3: So yeah, that probably gets old pretty fast. So you know,

626
00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:42,240
they I think they've tried to integrate themselves with us

627
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,279
and find out what's going on. I feel like they

628
00:32:45,359 --> 00:32:48,680
might be more like the Fish and Game Department. Yeah,

629
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,880
you know, they see us, they want to know what

630
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:56,799
we're doing. They capture us, they knock us out, they

631
00:32:56,839 --> 00:33:02,720
take samples of hair and blood and tissue, they tag us,

632
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,960
they turn us loose again, and they monitor us. Fish

633
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:10,079
and Game Department, yeah, you know. Yeah, so we do

634
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,200
the same thing with our animals here on this planet.

635
00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:14,480
And I think that they're monitoring us, and you know,

636
00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:17,200
who knows what their long term agenda is here. It

637
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,480
seems to take a really long time. But to them,

638
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,480
time isn't what we think time is, so right, They've

639
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:23,000
got time.

640
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I.

641
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 3: Think that they're they're learning, you know, they want to

642
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,000
learn a little bit about what we are. I don't

643
00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:31,200
think they're here to eat us, yeah, or it would

644
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,119
have happened by now, you know. But I think they

645
00:33:33,119 --> 00:33:34,920
want to learn from us, and maybe they want us

646
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,160
to grow a little bit more so that we can

647
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,279
integrate ourselves into that galactic community that right now we're

648
00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:44,119
a little flawed still. So yes, I think they want

649
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,000
this warlike thing that we've got going on to be

650
00:33:47,119 --> 00:33:48,720
out there with them until we grow up just a

651
00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:49,200
little bit.

652
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if that's going to happen or not.

653
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,759
But speaking of fishing game, yeah, brings me to a

654
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,960
kind of an odd topic, and that is let's talk

655
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,240
about dolphins. Now, dolphins weren't always in the water. They

656
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,359
evolved from the land to the water, and a lot

657
00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:07,680
of people don't know that they're mammals. So, but they're

658
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:13,239
in incredibly intelligent. You know, some speculate even have more

659
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,159
intelligence than people. I don't know, but some people, for sure,

660
00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:20,519
do they want to pull some people do they want

661
00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:23,320
to abduct a dolphin and study that. I mean, you

662
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,639
never hear of any other intelligent, semi intelligent, you know,

663
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,840
beings on the earth being abducted. Cows I wouldn't call intelligent,

664
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:32,800
you know, and not.

665
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,559
Speaker 3: So much, you know, but there's a lot of them

666
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,800
and they probably pretty easy to get, so the cows

667
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,519
and the horses and people for that matter too. Yeah,

668
00:34:44,559 --> 00:34:46,280
you know, there's a lot of us cruising around and

669
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,880
big variety of it, so they've got a lot to

670
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:49,480
work with there.

671
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,079
Speaker 1: Now. We talked you and I off air. We talked

672
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:54,800
a little bit about David Plaidi's and you know, for

673
00:34:55,039 --> 00:34:57,440
one one missing for one one. But you think about

674
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,400
you could speculate, I mean you I would speculate with

675
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,280
all the many hundreds of thousands of missing people each year,

676
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,440
that maybe some of them are being abducted and not

677
00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:10,199
brought back, you know, I mean you could. But most

678
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,320
most of the time it's explained, you know, where they

679
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,480
are or whatever. But sometimes people just go plain missing

680
00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:17,000
and that's it and they're gone.

681
00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:20,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a phenomenon. You know. It's really interesting

682
00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:24,920
to listen to David talk about the different categories that

683
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:30,559
he's developed with these missing people and the similarities with them.

684
00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:33,000
But you know, and a lot of people know that

685
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:36,559
David started out in bigfoot research, so a lot of

686
00:35:36,559 --> 00:35:38,639
people always ask him during the middle of a lecture,

687
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,519
so are you thinking, do you think that Bigfoot is

688
00:35:40,519 --> 00:35:42,400
the one that's you know, getting all these people? And

689
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,119
He's like, no, I did not say that. If you

690
00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:46,920
want to correlate that, you go right ahead, But no,

691
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,760
I am not saying that. But the possibilities there, right,

692
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:55,480
I mean, there's a lot of possibilities. So yeah, but

693
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,840
now I think people are more and David too, I

694
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:03,840
think more in the line of this idea of portals

695
00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:07,360
being out there, that you can walk through portals at

696
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,400
any given moment in time. You just don't know where

697
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,119
they're at. We are unable to see them or sense

698
00:36:12,199 --> 00:36:16,280
them most of us. Some people can. But people may

699
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,239
be just walking through portals into another dimension and maybe

700
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,000
sometimes they find their way out of it, or maybe

701
00:36:22,039 --> 00:36:24,199
someone boots them back out of it. I'm not sure what.

702
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,559
But a lot of these missing people show up again

703
00:36:26,639 --> 00:36:29,320
later in the same area that has been searched in

704
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,519
searching search, or they're in that same area, but they

705
00:36:33,559 --> 00:36:36,320
happen to be one hundred feet up on a rock

706
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,039
cliff or on the top of a tree.

707
00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:41,039
Speaker 1: How'd they get a child? Something?

708
00:36:41,079 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 3: Now, how does that happen? So something, something's going on.

709
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:48,480
And I really think that there's a lot of interdi

710
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,840
dimensionality out there that we have yet to discover. I mean,

711
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,159
the scientists will tell you right now that there's twenty

712
00:36:56,199 --> 00:37:01,719
seven other parallel universes right beside us, other dimensions. We

713
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,880
can't see them, we can't access them usually, but they're there.

714
00:37:06,519 --> 00:37:10,119
Speaker 1: The brains I think called brains, not like membranes type

715
00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:12,679
of Yeah, that's all fascinating.

716
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,079
Speaker 3: To me, there's some cool stuff out there that we're

717
00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:17,760
just starting to dig into, and I think we'll find

718
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:18,280
some answers.

719
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:24,039
Speaker 1: I had a scientist, Jensen Anderson, PhD Harvard and all

720
00:37:24,039 --> 00:37:28,760
that very you know, really archaeologists and all that, on

721
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,400
my show and asked her what because she's really interested

722
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,280
in the UFO topic. She thinks her extraterrestrial, and so

723
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,360
I did mention to her, what do you think about

724
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,000
the interdimensional type of thing? And she said that a

725
00:37:41,039 --> 00:37:44,880
lot of things, it doesn't work, it doesn't fit. But

726
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:50,280
you know, I brought up cases like, for instance, I'm

727
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,000
trying to think of his name right now, Chera Muda,

728
00:37:54,119 --> 00:37:58,159
what's his first name? Was on my show from the

729
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:04,199
Areel School incident and Jeremy Cheermuda, but I can't remember

730
00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:04,719
his first.

731
00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 3: One of the children, yes, had experiences there.

732
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,119
Speaker 1: And he was saying that the thing was blinking out

733
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,719
and blinking ahead of itself, the being as it was

734
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,039
running toward the pool. And she had a really she

735
00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:20,280
had a scientific explanation that could be other than interdimensional.

736
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:25,159
It's like recreating a folding or something. You'd have to

737
00:38:25,159 --> 00:38:27,719
watch the episode to understand it. But I mean, she

738
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,440
was fascinating woman. She very very brilliant. But it was

739
00:38:31,519 --> 00:38:33,840
really interesting. That's why I love doing the show. Is

740
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,480
I like to hear everybody's opinions. Yeah, and you know,

741
00:38:36,519 --> 00:38:40,320
it's such a puzzle and you know, and it's really

742
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,760
interesting to hear. I still think there could be an

743
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:48,679
inter dimensionality to it somehow, you know, it's there could

744
00:38:48,679 --> 00:38:51,559
be not to everything, but you know.

745
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 3: But there could be all kinds of things going on.

746
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:56,079
I mean, I still think that we think of them

747
00:38:56,119 --> 00:38:58,960
coming from outer space, but what if they are just

748
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,000
a co indigenous species with us here on this planet.

749
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:04,559
They've been here a lot longer than we have. Yes,

750
00:39:04,639 --> 00:39:09,440
maybe they've been housed underground. Maybe they're in our abysses

751
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:10,039
of the ocean.

752
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we we.

753
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 3: Know so little about that right now. We know more

754
00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:16,320
about the surface of Mars than we know about those

755
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,840
abysses in our oceans. Yes, So I know that's a

756
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,679
big field to study right now, and people are really

757
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:21,440
delving into that.

758
00:39:22,199 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: I asked Lou Alisondo when he was on my show,

759
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:29,239
because I heard him on another podcast saying that what

760
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,039
if we're not the top of the food chain, what

761
00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:34,239
if we're not you know, intellectually, what if something's been

762
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,639
here all along like that? So I asked him to

763
00:39:36,679 --> 00:39:38,760
expand on that, and he said he couldn't really talk

764
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,480
much more about it. And maybe, you know, people can

765
00:39:42,519 --> 00:39:44,559
have an attitude one way or the other about Lou

766
00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:47,119
but you know, maybe he does know something that he

767
00:39:47,159 --> 00:39:51,559
can't talk about. I'm sure you yeah. So, yeah, it's

768
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:54,400
all it's all fascinating to me. And you know, I

769
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,880
say often on the show, we probably don't know what's

770
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,559
going on around us right now, right, there's so much

771
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:03,079
to try to understand, so much to it.

772
00:40:03,159 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's just avenues after avenues of thought, you know,

773
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:10,239
different camps of thought, and it's great to look into

774
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,400
all of them. Yeah, because that's what it's going to

775
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,639
take to find something that works, you know, right, there's

776
00:40:16,679 --> 00:40:17,880
a lot of avenues out there.

777
00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:23,599
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So the future of getting back to Lamufon

778
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,760
and Phoenix you have to wait until January before you

779
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,199
can get the meetings going again. Do you think your

780
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,480
membership will drop off because of the break.

781
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 3: I think that they'll be really anxious to get back

782
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,199
to some meetings because people just love it. You know,

783
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,559
it's three hours on a Saturday afternoon, of not only

784
00:40:42,639 --> 00:40:46,559
great education and material, but entertaining. You know, it's entertaining

785
00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:48,679
to everyone, and they go home and they spread the

786
00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:50,039
word with the friends. You got to come with me

787
00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:51,880
next time. You know, this is really a great thing.

788
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,719
And so we just have a really good group of

789
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,559
people that come back, and I think they'll probably going

790
00:40:56,639 --> 00:40:58,880
to miss it by then. So yeah, we're trying to

791
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,599
come up with a couple of different things to keep

792
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:02,239
things rolling between now and then.

793
00:41:03,039 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now I understand the boot camps on a little

794
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,360
bit of a hold and that may you know, develop again.

795
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,639
But right now there's he's taking.

796
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 3: A break for a year on the field Investigator boot camp.

797
00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Now I met someone through the boot camp

798
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,639
that I visited. I really loved it. I thought it

799
00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:22,639
was very you know, just so interesting to hear all

800
00:41:22,639 --> 00:41:26,400
these different ways of investigating and you know, hopefully you'll

801
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,639
do this again. And Mark D'Antoni was involved, he was

802
00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:37,119
there as well, his good friend. But Denise, who I

803
00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:41,599
interviewed there, she had an amazing sighting when she was fifteen.

804
00:41:41,639 --> 00:41:45,360
She's now a co director I believe of New York

805
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:50,760
Move On and or something like that, or no, I

806
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,079
think she's chief investigator of move On, New York. That's

807
00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:56,840
what it is. So she's going to I know, she's

808
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,239
going to listen to this podcast. She listens to the podcast,

809
00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:03,440
but then a little shout out to you, Denise. Good job, Denise, Yeah,

810
00:42:03,519 --> 00:42:05,440
no kidding. Yeah, so that was just like three or

811
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,400
four years ago, I do believe, So she's done pretty well.

812
00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. The boot camp's fun. You know, a lot

813
00:42:11,519 --> 00:42:13,719
of people love it and they keep asking about it,

814
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,719
you know, and yeah, and we've got you know, instructors

815
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:21,800
for those classes there that teach on advanced interviewing techniques, yes,

816
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:27,159
healthy versus unhealthy, mental states, photo analysis, how to do

817
00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:29,880
the cases quickly and efficiently, and you know, and how

818
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,440
to get to the people. So we have a lot

819
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,000
of great topics there along with the forensic field work

820
00:42:35,079 --> 00:42:37,000
that we do in the afternoons out in the desert.

821
00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:40,239
So that's always really fun. And that's you know, taught

822
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:41,920
by some of the best of the best, which is

823
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:48,079
John Dover and Stanley Gilford. Yes, former Arizona Navajo rangers, right,

824
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,800
So they're you know, great at what they do and

825
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,599
they just make it really fun with all their different

826
00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:55,079
stories that they have from the Navajo reservation.

827
00:42:54,679 --> 00:42:57,039
Speaker 1: As well, right right, So it's a.

828
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 3: Fun it's a fun three days.

829
00:42:58,519 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll bring it back.

830
00:42:59,480 --> 00:42:59,599
Speaker 3: Now.

831
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk to you about you doing investigation,

832
00:43:02,519 --> 00:43:04,199
to your investigation as yourself.

833
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,159
Speaker 3: I don't do any right now because I'm the state director.

834
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,159
So I do have twenty two field investigators here in

835
00:43:11,199 --> 00:43:14,400
Arizona under me, and so I get the cases in

836
00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:17,079
and then I assigned the cases to those field investigators.

837
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:18,960
So we've got just you know, a great team of

838
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,320
people that really know what they're.

839
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: Doing and what's the activity, like a little.

840
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 3: Bit of everything. I mean, we have Category three cases,

841
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,159
which are things that could be abductions or things that

842
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:31,960
are so close that you know, they had close contact.

843
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,719
So we've got everything from lights in the sky to

844
00:43:38,679 --> 00:43:42,800
you know, orbs, just anything you could imagine we've got

845
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,800
coming in and we cover it all.

846
00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, And what do you think about the orbs? It

847
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,440
seems like almost a different category than the nuts and

848
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:53,760
bolts type of craft.

849
00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know there. I think that they're more intelligence.

850
00:43:58,039 --> 00:44:01,280
They are intelligently controlled.

851
00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:03,039
Speaker 1: So everyone seems to think, I mean that's what do

852
00:44:03,039 --> 00:44:03,320
you hear?

853
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 3: So electric something is transferring into these orbs and they

854
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:12,079
are just manifesting themselves and crewising around and showing themselves,

855
00:44:12,159 --> 00:44:14,400
and it looks like they're very interested in people and

856
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:15,400
what people are doing.

857
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: Now, do you think that could be a technology? I mean,

858
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,280
not a technology. Do you think that could be what

859
00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:26,559
lou Elizondo is talking about, something that's been here all

860
00:44:26,559 --> 00:44:28,559
along and may have a higher intelligence center.

861
00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 3: It could be. It could be, or it could be

862
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,280
something as simple as a scout coming to check things

863
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,519
out before something else comes to check us out. Yeah,

864
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,840
we just don't know yet. We know that it happens

865
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,360
all the time. People are seeing them in all colors,

866
00:44:43,519 --> 00:44:46,840
all speeds, all just everything. So orbs are a big deal.

867
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: I remember, I believe his name was Terry Ray wrote

868
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,360
a book about orange orbs. I haven't heard much from

869
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,480
him lately out there, but I had him on my

870
00:44:56,519 --> 00:44:59,719
show and he had so many stories about the orange

871
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,880
orbs and you say different colors. I ran in, I've

872
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:07,119
talked about this a number of times, but I sat

873
00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:11,199
next to an American Airlines pilot. This was right after

874
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,920
the New York Times article came out, I mean immediately after,

875
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,679
like a week after, and I asked him if he

876
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:24,320
had happened to see that article about the you know,

877
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,280
the government looking into UFOs. You know, we're in a

878
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:32,000
general conversation and he said, no, I missed that. He said,

879
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,559
but they exist. And I love when people say that,

880
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,039
because I'm going to follow up and say, oh, do

881
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,719
tell me. Yeah. And so he was the pilots. Yeah,

882
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,239
he was an Air Force pilot. He was an F

883
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:49,559
sixteen I think that's F sixteen pilot in the Air Force.

884
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:54,400
And he said he was doing a long distance relocate

885
00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:58,880
of an F sixteen and he said, all of a sudden,

886
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:03,519
this green orb showed up and was next to him.

887
00:46:03,559 --> 00:46:07,760
And he says, his weasel, the weapon weapons operator, was

888
00:46:08,159 --> 00:46:10,320
sound asleep in the back. And I've talked to other pilots.

889
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,599
They said that's very unusual. Even if it's just a relocate,

890
00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:15,960
they shouldn't be sleeping, you know. The guy should have

891
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,880
and he said he didn't wake them up. And the

892
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:23,280
thing followed him for three hundred miles and lit up

893
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,440
the cockpit bright green. It was extremely bright green, and

894
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,440
then right before it shot off and then it was gone.

895
00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:34,559
And he said, he said, I was. He goes, there's

896
00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:36,760
no way I was going to report that. He said,

897
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,880
I just never reported. I asked him, I said, would

898
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,920
you mind being on? Can I interview you from my show?

899
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,920
He said absolutely not. I said, how about, I said,

900
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,760
never do this, but how about anonymously? He said absolutely

901
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:51,920
not not interested.

902
00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:55,119
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the stigma is so high out there between

903
00:46:55,119 --> 00:46:58,239
the pilots and a lot of first responders too. I

904
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,039
mean they're seeing stuff, yeah, they're not reporting it in.

905
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: But I think it's less. I think that has there's

906
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:05,960
been a bit of a sea change in.

907
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:10,280
Speaker 3: That it's become more mainstream. Yeah, definitely, especially with everything

908
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,199
that the military has been putting out. Yeah, you know,

909
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,920
the stuff we've been seeing on TV, and the Pentagon's

910
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,000
talking about it, and the congressional hearings and so it's

911
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:23,320
become very mainstream. And I believe like an amnesty program

912
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,880
in place for these people to come forward without you know,

913
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,320
being charged with anything, that's going to change a lot

914
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:28,719
of things.

915
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah, And I you know, personally myself,

916
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:37,440
I was very afraid to talk about this professionally, you know,

917
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,719
like and right now, at this point in my life,

918
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,039
I really don't care that much. I'm still a professional

919
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,519
fine art appraiser and I still go into houses, but

920
00:47:45,559 --> 00:47:50,119
I'm not worried so much about talking about it, and

921
00:47:50,159 --> 00:47:55,159
I'm in a conversation that feels right, I'll talk about it.

922
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,639
Speaker 3: Because now the great thing is when someone says, what

923
00:47:58,280 --> 00:47:59,480
do you believe in that stuff?

924
00:47:59,639 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: Yeah?

925
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,119
Speaker 3: And then you can say, do you govern the news?

926
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: Yeah?

927
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 3: Do you ever watch the news? Have you seen what's

928
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,239
been going on for the last seven years?

929
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:06,679
Speaker 1: Yeah?

930
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 3: You know, that's a really valid thing to come back with,

931
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:11,800
because it is there's all kinds of stuff out there,

932
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,480
and if you're not aware of what's going on, then sorry,

933
00:48:14,639 --> 00:48:18,239
you were just the uneducated one right now. Sorry.

934
00:48:18,599 --> 00:48:21,039
Speaker 1: I was in a mixed company, and I was in

935
00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:25,039
mixed company in the antiques world, and I was at

936
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:29,599
an antiques fair and there was some young girls all

937
00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:32,159
involved in this company called Worthpoint, and I had an

938
00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:35,800
associate association with them, and we were traveling around the

939
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,400
country and doing appraisal clinics and things like that. It

940
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,519
was a lot of fun. And so the one guy

941
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:47,119
that was that I've known for the longest, he called

942
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:49,440
me up one day and he said, oh my god,

943
00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:52,719
you have a show on UFOs And I said, yeah,

944
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,119
this is back in like two thousand and thirteen, fourteen,

945
00:48:56,639 --> 00:48:59,079
and I said, yeah, you know, And then so he

946
00:48:59,159 --> 00:49:01,840
told me about his He had quite an amazing sighting

947
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:07,480
where you know, everyone reacts differently, and his friends that

948
00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:10,760
were with him at the time will not talk about

949
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,440
it even to this day. But he had a negative,

950
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,079
a very negative experience, a negative feeling like this thing

951
00:49:18,159 --> 00:49:22,400
felt harmful and was right above them. And so anyway,

952
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,800
he and I started talking about it in this mixed

953
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,639
group and they were all saying, you guys are absolutely nuts,

954
00:49:29,039 --> 00:49:35,199
absolutely nuts. And then the CEO of Worthpoint was there

955
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,079
and he said, oh, yeah, I had a sighting my

956
00:49:38,119 --> 00:49:40,000
son and I you know, blah blah blah and all

957
00:49:40,039 --> 00:49:45,199
this stuff. But it's kind of like these were younger

958
00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:49,199
girls that say, you guys are crazy. You don't hear

959
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,199
that was I don't know, five or six years ago.

960
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,840
You don't hear that as often now.

961
00:49:54,159 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 3: You don't because the media is so full of this stuff,

962
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,599
especially how many years has ancient aliens on TV? You know,

963
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,440
I mean they've they've covered everything. All these kids, you know,

964
00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:09,320
I work at a really large high school. Oh, these

965
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,840
kids all know this stuff. You can't tell them that

966
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,480
they know about it. They know about all this. So

967
00:50:14,519 --> 00:50:17,920
they're growing up with this, they've got a basic understanding

968
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,000
of what's going on. They don't question it so much anymore.

969
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,599
So I think things are really changing. You know, I

970
00:50:24,599 --> 00:50:27,000
don't tell people. I don't just go out there and

971
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,000
tell people what I do either. But if someone were

972
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,480
to come up to me and say, hey, did they

973
00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:33,719
see you on TV the other day and something like, yeah,

974
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,800
you did, you know, and then they'll want to ask

975
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:40,760
about it. But it's the skeptics out there, like you know,

976
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,880
the people at the worthpoint situation, where they're going to

977
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,800
laugh at you and ridicule you, but wait until something

978
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,800
happens that they hear on the news. You're the first

979
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,119
person they're going to call and say, hey, what was that?

980
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:52,679
What was that that they saw on the sky the

981
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,760
other day? And you can say, oh, so now now

982
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,719
you want to know about that. Now you're interested in that. Yeah,

983
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,800
so they are. But it's it's just really hard for

984
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,360
people to come out and say, yeah, I kind of

985
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,480
believe in that. But I think it's just because they

986
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,719
don't know much about it. Yeah, if they don't know

987
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,960
a little bit about it, that's what piques their interest.

988
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: Well, my real friends from long ago except me for

989
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,039
what the way I am and everything. So I have

990
00:51:18,159 --> 00:51:22,599
this my very best friend name John. He was out

991
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,199
here in Sedona and he got all excited because you know,

992
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,320
he's not at all into the UFO topic, but he

993
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,199
got all excited because he was thinking he was seeing

994
00:51:33,199 --> 00:51:35,840
a UFO and he's like taking pictures and like, oh

995
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,280
my god and all this. Found out it was starlink.

996
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, Well that's a great one though, that

997
00:51:41,199 --> 00:51:43,239
I saw that for the first time. I was up

998
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,840
at the Grand Canyon actually and saw it fly over

999
00:51:46,159 --> 00:51:47,519
so super dark skies.

1000
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:48,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1001
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 3: And everyone else I know had seen it already except

1002
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,519
for me, you know. I mean, we've covered millions of

1003
00:51:53,519 --> 00:51:55,960
reports on it because move On gets reports on starlink

1004
00:51:56,039 --> 00:51:58,639
all the time. Yeah, but I had not seen it,

1005
00:51:58,679 --> 00:52:00,239
And when I finally did, I'm like, wow, that's the

1006
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:01,360
coolest thing I've ever seen.

1007
00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 1: I did film it. It's funny because the two major

1008
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,559
sightings I've had in my life. One was a fireball

1009
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:12,119
that was incredible, really incredible, and then the next thing

1010
00:52:12,199 --> 00:52:14,599
was my uf OH thing, both in the hot tub

1011
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:19,440
and then last year or the year before in my

1012
00:52:19,519 --> 00:52:23,280
hot tub in South Carolina and watching starlink over I

1013
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,559
did film it. I did film it. It was crazy

1014
00:52:25,639 --> 00:52:28,480
because it's like one thing after another after another after another,

1015
00:52:29,079 --> 00:52:30,599
but I knew what it was. Now, have you ever

1016
00:52:30,639 --> 00:52:32,840
had this will end on this. Have you ever had

1017
00:52:33,159 --> 00:52:35,519
a UFO sighting? Yes, okay, let's.

1018
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 3: From my own backyard, not in the hot tub. But

1019
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:40,920
I was just separately late one night, couldn't sleep, decided

1020
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,519
to walk outside and just kind of look around and

1021
00:52:44,039 --> 00:52:48,280
I saw this triangle of stars that I knew didn't

1022
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,920
belong there, and it was a perfect triangle. And so

1023
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,400
I'm watching it and as I'm watching it, one of

1024
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,239
them just started moving in went all the way around

1025
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,079
the sky, all the way around disappeared.

1026
00:52:59,559 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: Wow.

1027
00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 3: I immediately went back to where I saw that, and

1028
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,880
another one did the same thing, but went around the

1029
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:09,159
sky this way. And I'm like, okay, Stacy, you're involved

1030
00:53:09,159 --> 00:53:12,800
with Moufon. You know that was anomalist. Perhaps you should

1031
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:17,320
report that in, you know. So I did, and actually

1032
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,159
I think I assigned Marian rob to that case. And

1033
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:21,880
she thought I was doing that to like test her

1034
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,400
in some way. You know, why are you thicking on me?

1035
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,559
And I'm like, I'm not, you know, but great friends,

1036
00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:29,320
you can we can discuss this. You know. So, yeah,

1037
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,840
I saw a couple of things from my own backyard,

1038
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,519
just out there randomly looking up at the sky, and

1039
00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:36,239
I think that's when a lot of things happened. Other

1040
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,039
than if you have a dog and you smoke cigarettes, yes,

1041
00:53:40,039 --> 00:53:42,360
and the dog and having a smoke, then you see

1042
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:43,159
something every time.

1043
00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's when they say the biggest you know, reports

1044
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,559
come from either people smoking or.

1045
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 3: It all starts out with well, I was walking the

1046
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,119
dog and having smoke when I saw yea, you know so, yeah,

1047
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:56,119
it happens a lot.

1048
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,159
Speaker 1: Excellent, So thanks so much, Stacy. It's always a pleasure

1049
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,280
to speak with you. Thanks for a lot of fun.

1050
00:54:01,639 --> 00:54:02,880
Good yea, thank you