Speaker 1: And these people that claim or carry themselves without actually
claiming to be an expert, a bigfoot expert. I mean,
come on, what the hell is a bigfoot expert? There
is no such thing as an expert when it comes
to bigfoot.
Speaker 2: They know in an instant that you were in the woods.
There is no hiding from them, There is no being
quiet or sneaking up on them. As soon as you
walk in the woods, you walk in their front door,
thinking that you were going to surprise them, You're only
kidding yourself.
Speaker 1: We have got to get it out of our heads
that anecdotal evidence is not evidence. The best way, in
my opinion, that we have to learn about these creatures
right now is by listening to and talking to those
that have experiperience them, those who have witnessed them and
experienced them in their own environment.
Speaker 2: We do what we do to try to bring away
as to this topic to be an open door for
somebody to walk through, to be able to share.
Speaker 3: Their story, a listening ear, a support hold for those
who have had their own encounters with that which is
not supposed to exist.
Speaker 1: We've got to open our eyes, people, there is something
out there. All of these thousands of people that have
seen something. They're not all aligned, they're not all crazy.
There are some very reputable, good people out there that
have seen something.
Speaker 2: But when I'm excited, I talk real fast.
Speaker 1: Well, tell everybody why you're excited.
Speaker 2: I'm excited because we have this gentleman scheduled before, and
he was feeling a little under the weather and took
a nap, and his nap was a little long, so
we rescheduled him and brought him back here. And Wayne
is actually going to be a speaker with him at
Spirit of the Forest Bigfoot Festival this year. And y'all,
the audio that I have from this gentleman is amazing.
I mean, I have no words for it. So I'm
excited that he was able to get everything rescheduled and
come back on with us. So Mike Miller is here
this evening.
Speaker 1: All right, very cool. We've got to hang out and
chat with Mike for a few minutes before we came on.
She'd like a good dude. I am very excited that
I get to meet him in person here in a
couple few months up in Ohio in his neck of
the woods at the Spirit of the Forest festival. All right,
we're just going to go ahead and bring Mike out. Yeah, Mike,
what's up, buddy?
Speaker 2: But you doing Hey, thanks.
Speaker 4: For coming, Thanks having me on, appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, doing very well. Thank you so much, buddy for
taking the time to come and hang out with us tonight.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Super cool. You're you are in Ohio, right, you're saying,
can you tell us like around what part I live.
Speaker 4: In Eton, Ohio? The research in north East County. It's
like southwest over towards the Indiana border.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, very cool. So that's the area that you research.
Speaker 4: There's stuff that's happened here, but we mainly research Adams County.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, take us back to the beginning, man, What started?
What what happened to get you going down this crazy road?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I was interested in in Bigfoot and
UFOs and LOCKDSK. I watched any show on that growing
up as a I watched all that and kept watching
it as I got older, and never thought I'd do
anything like that. And I don't know about seventeen years ago,
on local news channel Channel seven, I lived in Hebrew
Heights at the time, they had a reporter about a
sighting in Ohio, and I thought that sounded crazy because
back then I didn't think Ohio had big enough sections
of woods for anything like that. I thought that would
have to all be you know, in the south and
the swamps, British Columbia, Washington, Oregon, places like that. And
I laughed, but it kind of, I don't know, kind
of started something inside. And I decided to get on
the internet that night, and I tacked in Ohio in
Bigfoot and I stumbled into the BFRO website and I
clicked on Ohio and I expected to see, you know,
just a report or two, and I was just blown
away because there was several, you know, hundreds of reports,
and they were listed by county. So I clicked in
the county I lived in, and I clicked on the
counties I knew and started reading them, and you know,
a lot of them. I still laughed and thought, you know,
it was by your own shadow you were scared of.
There was probably a deer, you're probably freaking drunker in hell,
you know, stuff like that. But a couple of stories
kind of kind of struck me. One of them a
guy in southwest Ohio said he didn't know what was
in his backyard, but he had a five year old
male German shepherd. And I'm partial to the German shepherds.
I grew up with one. And he said the inside
door was open, so the outside glass door was shut.
His dog came through the glass to get back in
the house, ran to the furthest point away in the house,
curled up, frightened and peede itself. And those do that,
and that caught my attention. And then there was a
another report outside just north of here, over by, like
north of the airport, and the lady had her kids
along the river. They started hearing whistling. Her kids whistled back.
She thought it was just somebody screwing around fishing, but
she said the whistles went so high up in octave.
She taught music. She said, a human being can't go there.
And her son was kind of dragging behind as they
were coming out. It was right at dusk and supposedly
seen it had have therapy. She called the police. You know,
it was a big to do, And I thought that
was insane. I thought, that's only I don't know, twenty
miles or so from the freaking airport, no way, And
I decided that year, way back then, to go look
at that area, just mainly for the s and giggles
of it, you know, just to say, hey, I went
to where a Bigfoot report happened and I went there.
I was married at the time to Kirk Cousin, and
we walked back in there to printed the report, walked
down in there, and it was woolier back there than
I thought, and I thought, okay, maybe it's using the
river to move along. And you know, found some evidence
back in there, found you know, trees, you know, the structures,
the stuff that didn't make sense. And then then the
over and this was during the daytime. Just the whole
feeling of being being watched and everything, and this kind
of struck me again. And basically what happened, long story short,
I decided to peek in the door about Bigfoot in Ohio,
and I didn't think I was going to find much.
And I thought I would peek and then I would,
you know, move along, go on to something else. And
that's not what happened. I peeked in the door pretty
much like hey, what heck's that? And I got sucked
in and I just kept I wanted to more, so
I kept going out and the more I looked, the
more I found that. I didn't expect that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I'm glad that you brought up
the whole bfro thing because I've said it many many
times I will continue to say it no matter what
you think about the organization as a whole, that database
that they have collected and maintained is phenomenal. Like you said,
you go on there and you can pull it up
your state by county. Anytime I'm going to a new area,
that's the first thing I do. I look up what
county I'm going to be in, and how many reports,
how many encounters have been reported. So it's a very
valuable tool.
Speaker 4: Yes, it is. And I found some people on the
internet that were in Ohio and they started sending me
blurry pictures, you know, blobs pictures, and they were up
in like the Clark County area and other places, and
I read all the I mean, I went through all
the reports, you know, I drive ups, they got a
map out, start looking like I don't know about anything
being there. But anyway, Dann Moser, who's outside of Springfield,
he hooked me up with a guy named George Taylor
who's originally from Minnesota. He took me underwing, and we
would go to a park in Miami County Cultural Halls,
and he pretty much took me there during the daytime.
We'll call these this is a day stocking. Part of
my life, bigfoot life. And we would go to this
park and we would go off the trails, even though
you're not supposed to do that. Don't do that, kids,
but he would show. He showed me the difference between
storm damage, natural and unnatural damage. And I seen some
crazy stuff. I seen trees bent at crazy angles, driven
back into the ground. I see a tree bent over,
and a tree was dragged from about fifty yards. They
actually broke this other tree at the base and dragged
it about fifty yards and then laid it in a
these others and a person.
Speaker 2: Couldn't do that, No, absolutely not.
Speaker 4: And if that was done with any kind of equipment,
it would leave marks on the on the tree. And
then I was in an area where this canopy and
sorry I'm talking my hands. Anyway, everything above you was
was intact growing, you know, undamaged. Tell something was going
through there and it was helped a lot bigger than
a deer. And these trees were probably I don't know,
two three inches maybe two inches maybe three inches down
there had about a six seven foot heighth. They were
snapped and laid in the same direction. Now, if the
wind is going to do that, it's going to tear
all this other stuff that's lighter and smaller. It's going
to tear all that out of there too. It's not
just going to damage these trees, you know. It's like
the sting walked through there and did that. And another
thing crazy about that. And I didn't take pictures back
and I was just kind of just going because I
didn't think i'd ever find anything, so know, that was
my thought process. They weren't just snapped like bit like this,
They were twist snapped. You could actually see the wood twisted.
And I thought that's crazy, you know, and I picked
up some smaller limbs and tried to duplicate that. I
couldn't do that.
Speaker 2: And well, you see, you see the reports of those
all the time, the twist snaps. Even in Australia, there's
encounters of the twist snap trees coming out yep.
Speaker 4: And then back then we'd see those little like kind
of little miniature kind of teepee things, you know, and
I would think, is that a young one practicing. You know,
that's surely not big enough for anything to sleep under
or get any shelter. I kind of now, after seeing
more of them and noticing that some or many are
right along a game trail, I believe those are their
version of a deer blonde and they in there and
it's an ambusher. But that's just my theory.
Speaker 2: That is amazing. It's a good theory. I mean, I
think if we investigated more people's theories, we would be
a little bit further than where we are, yeah, instead
of thinking everything's bs.
Speaker 4: Yeah. But that led to you know, the Internet, when
you start clicking on stuff, you know they're watching you.
And then I'm getting more you know, things about people
I might have stuff in common with, or articles and
stuff like that. But a pretty much long story short
led me to a person that was on Facebook named
Mark that was in Ohio. He lives in Trenton area,
and I thought, well, at least this guy's in Ohio
and I can talk to him. He's not California or
Watchington or whatever. And so I started talking to him
and he invited me going to night hike. So I went,
you know, because I don't know who these people are.
I don't want to disappear, you know, you know, you know,
did my due diligence. But I went to his place,
Mendiguy named Mike Feldner, and we went on this night hike. First,
we did some we actually came to Preble County and
investigated a report, but we don't we didn't think anything
was there. It was this kind of I don't know,
this nothing concrete, you know. Yeah, And so we went
to East Fork State Park and if you know where
that is, that's in Claremont County. And I went to
my first night hike that night. And this we didn't
plan that earlier. We were going to Preble County and
that was it. And then when that was a bus,
we drove all the way over there. Anyway, we hiked
back in there. It's you know, nighttime, it's in October,
it's about forty degrees, it's grizzly. It's not a good night. Right.
We hiked back in there on a horse trail, probably
a couple of miles or so, and I'm along for
the ride. You know, I don't have any recording the devices.
I wasn't doing that then. I'm just kind of I'm
an observer, you know. And these guys did wood knocks,
they did a couple of howls, nothing happened, rains kind
of picks up, you know. We sat back there a
couple hours how long, and nothing's going on, and then
they decide, hey, let's go, let's pack it up. And
I'm thinking, hey, this is great. I've went on a
night hike for the first time. Looks like I'm going
to survive it. And you know, and cross that off
and I'm still on the fence, you know, with the
blurry pictures, and I've heard some great stories and you know,
I'm still on the fence about Ohio. I really am.
And not even ten minutes into that walk is where
things change for me. We started out of there and
it was in a few minutes and something through a
big freaking rocket.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more, but the big flop report. We'll
be right back.
Speaker 4: And I you know, as a teenager, you know, I
through rocks, had trained and do that, and you kind
of know how big a rock is by what how
it sounds. So it's not just my fear. I'm out
in the woods with no light on and I'm embellishing
or it's not as big as I think, you know,
and like a fishing story. But when this rock was
in flight, you couldn't see it. But as it hit branches,
it bounced off the branches. It was snapping the branches
that hit, which means it's big, right, And it hit
a tree over by me with a lot of forts,
bounced off and tumbled end over end, you know, And
that freaked me the hell out. And we still had
I don't know, maybe an hour to hike out of
there at that point, and I really got worried because
I was in the back of the line and anyone
who's seen a horror movie knows what's what happens to
the person in the back of the line. Here screwed.
Speaker 2: You know you're gonna die.
Speaker 4: And we I doubted there. Nothing happened for a while.
We got to a point where the woods came right
up on that path, and I thought, this is it.
This is where I get it, or we get it.
This is an ampy point. And enough we got to
that point, and more rocks were thrown sailing over our head,
breaking branches were ducking down, and at that point I
didn't think I was going to get out of there.
I didn't think I was going to see my kid
grow up no longer.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 4: It was probably six or seven at the time, and
I started seeing the Lord's prayer under my breath the
way we hiked out of there, until we got off
of that area onto like the main trail whatever. And
at that point I knelt down, kissed the freaking grind
out And that's for real. And I went home and
I quit. I retired. That was too intense for me.
I didn't expect that, and I was done right. I
had all way and think about it, and of course
it ain't at me, you know what was going on.
But at that point I decided a three inch knife
and a walking stick weren't going to cut it anymore. Amen,
I can still carry permit, just for peace of mind,
you know. And of course you know where I work,
I work for ups. They're they're laughing at me, and
they're like, oh, somebody did that. Teenagers did that. I
go on an October night, which raining forty degrees, and
every kid's on the internet now, but they don't even
leave the house. And of all the miles of trails
in this park, they're gonna pick that one and say, hey,
let's go hang out in case big thunders come around
the rocks at them and to be close enough to
throw rock that big, you're gonna be close enough where
you could see shot. Right, and if somebody's throwing a
rock at me and I can figure that out, you know,
somebody's going to get pounded, you know, and exactly, and
so it wasn't no freaking kids.
Speaker 2: And yeah, let me ask you real quick first off,
like why do you think they do that? Do you
think y'all were like encroaching on something.
Speaker 4: They want you out of there when they're throwing rocks,
they want you out of there. That's because they do.
Speaker 6: It with.
Speaker 4: Sorry, go ahead, Oh it's okay.
Speaker 2: They do it with such precision because you know, if
they wanted to hit you, they could, they could just
knock your head clean off your shoulders. But they do
it just enough to scare the star out of you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they want you to leave. Yeah, we had an
incident probably three years ago. It was the COVID years there,
you know, when all that was going on, and we
went to an area and we've kind of changed our
dynamic up. Instead of wood knocks and house done by
members are using a call blaster that's got real animal
sounds embedded on it and the trick trick whatever you know,
and we'll call we call blasted. We'll talk for normal
voice for thirty forty minutes to see if anything happens.
And if nothing happens, and mind you, this is in
pitch dark, this pitch black, no light on it. If
nothing happens, then we'll call blast a wolf alley, or
we'll call blast coyotes. But this night we did a wolf,
then we did wolves holley, and after the halting played,
we got a response, and I think it was a
young one that actually came across the ridge and down
towards us and then stopped. Not a deer. A deer
does not. When a deer's in distress, it sets down,
lays down, It doesn't come towards whatever is there that's
distressing it. And what I believe happened night is the
real wolf sound trick. A young one caared it, called out,
and about twenty minutes later when the cavalry showed up,
they didn't find coyotes or wolves, but they found us
back there where no one's ever there, and they started
bombing with rocks and this time, it was different. They
hit the vehicles, they damaged them. Oh my gosh, back
the MIC's windshield, they batter ran my jeep. I mean
I really thought. I thought. I said that night, I said,
I should have brought a football helmet because I'm I'm
going to take one off the log in here in
a minute.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's scary.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 2: That is scary. And I have if you want to
go ahead and get into the audio, I have the
is that the jeep rock. Yes, okay, let's go ahead,
and let's go ahead and play that.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 2: That was a lot of chaos.
Speaker 4: I can't play it. I can't hear it.
Speaker 2: Oh you can't hear it. Can anybody in the chot
hear it?
Speaker 4: As long as they hear it, that's what matters.
Speaker 2: Uh Yeah, Troy said that they can hear it.
Speaker 4: Okay, So yeah, the.
Speaker 2: Jeep rock, it was. It was a lot of chaos.
Speaker 4: Yeah. The first rock actually hit. I had. I have
a twenty two inch parabolic microphone. It's plugged into a
recorder and I used it on top of jeep and
face it towards the lucky direction. I kind of guess
hit that. It actually skittered across the top and I
had my moon roof open and went down on the floorboard.
We found the rock on the floorboard.
Speaker 2: That is definitely a Code Brown kind of moment. Yeah, Donna,
we had her on Tuesday and she was talking about
how and that might have been an incident. She was
talking about when you guys had done the cob blast
and got more than what you probably bargained for.
Speaker 4: But we didn't. We didn't know her yet her yet
when that happened.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's pull up.
Speaker 4: Do you have the Angry Giant one?
Speaker 2: I'm sure I do it somewhere. I have the I'm
pretty sure I'll put that on there. I have the bridge,
the whistle Rock, the hidden Valley, the graveyard too, the scream,
the oo ah okay, whistle Rock too, and then the
gep rock.
Speaker 4: What about the hidden Valley? Does this a hidden belly giant.
Speaker 2: Or something hidden bevalley? Angry Giant?
Speaker 4: Yes, that was not this past Memorial Day, but last
year's Memorial Day and Donna was there for that one,
and we the on the recording it doesn't have the
wolf howl ended that out, but after we played the
wolf howling, you're gonna hear right off the bat for
the coyote and maybe something else. But then Big Daddy
comes in and it's almost like he's saying, hey, mister wolf,
this is my freaking yard, not yours.
Speaker 2: All right, let's play that one. You know, you let
me know if you can hear it when when.
Speaker 7: It ends, Okay, that's some monks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is frightening.
Speaker 4: I don't know about the beginning and the end of that,
but that one in the middle there that was not
a coyote or wolf. And David Ellis has analyzed that
and and shared that with me. He's analyzed a ton
of the audio that's been recorded where he said he
can't stay it's big foot. Bigfoot's not been certified. He
can't say that we have recorded no known animal in
North America, and some of those screens that's been recorded
because he not only his computer program identifies the sounds.
Every living thing in North America is in his database,
whether it's a coyote, dog, he also can tell if
it's a person using something to try to sound like
something because he he amies audio for the police and
Fire Department, FBI and all that. So he's got toys
and day I loved hassing them toys anyway. He said
that he watches the sound clips on a spectrograph. It
shows where they go on the Hurts band. And he
told us that a coyote is nine hunderd to twelve hundred.
It's never blow, it's never above that, and so on
and so on. And he said that some of these
screens that we recorded mainly me actually, but some of
those peg tires and the baboon on a spectrograph and
that was in County, Ohio. And that's evidence.
Speaker 2: That's wild. Let's do some more of pe don't mind.
I could listen to these forever because they're so good.
I am more an audio girl than I am a
picture girl. Like, give me audio every day, all day.
Speaker 4: That's that's me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's because you can break it down.
Speaker 4: Yes, in a picture, you can't. A picture depends on
how good the picture is, but you're gonna run into
problems with pickles. And tracks are great. But you know,
doctor Meldrim's kind of the you know, he's way up
here and he's that's he's the master of that, you know.
So I'm like, he's got that covered. You know. Audio
is special for me because it happened. You know, tracks
can be found, they can do. They happen that day,
day before, a week before, a month before, a year before.
Audio happened the night you were there, and you can
go back and listen. We listened to it over and
over and then you can send it to people like
David Ellis and have an analytt h.
Speaker 2: So let's do bridge LUs baboo.
Speaker 4: This was the one that picked higher than the baboon
the first one.
Speaker 8: Yes, what in the hell is going to be in
in Hawaiio sounding like that?
Speaker 4: That's not a coyote, dog anything else. That's the David
Ellis added is what I call it. As you notice
he looped it three times and he subdued the coyotes
because the original one the coyotes are going off with it.
But you can tell they're two different things because you know,
the coyotes are higher pitch, they're a little bit more yippy,
you know, do all that, and at the end of
that hell, he's actually going the thing is actually mimicking
the coyotes at the end.
Speaker 2: That's so bizarre. So what is your opinion? And I
believe that Wayne had asked on to this, and what
is your opinion about the coyotes traveling with the Bigfoot.
Speaker 4: You know, there's some kind of correlation. I kind of
look at it, like a shark and a remora and
then other other fish and stuff in the ocean and animals.
I think maybe they're scavenging and off each other or something.
There's something going on there.
Speaker 2: Well, so many people are like, oh my god, that's
so far fetched. Why would Bigfoot have a freaking dog? Well,
because it's it's different than that. It's it's the animal kingdom.
It's not like a person owning a dog. And it's
like you mentioned, you know, in the ocean. But people
are just they have their own narrative and they just
close it off.
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, I don't think you know, it's it's
their pet dog or something, you know, a coyote curling
up with the big Foot by the fire netflix or something.
You know, but they know there's going to be food
food involved, just like uh, you know, wolves take down
a creature, you know, the crows come around, the crows turn,
and I think, and you know the wolves don't like that,
but you know, uh, they coexist with all that kind
of stuff. And I think it's that kind of relationship.
But you know, I can be wrong. It's just I'm
just my guess.
Speaker 1: You know, stay tuned for more. But the Big Clipper
for us, we'll be right back.
Speaker 2: Well. And I've always said that if you look at
the animal Kingdom, you're going to be able to find
out more because it's the same with the you know,
whales breaching to get creole and the seagulls being right there. Yep,
it's the same thing. So let's get into because our
audience is all about the audio as well, So let's
look at whistle Rock. H Oh, there he is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I bought myself off. Sorry, that was That's okay.
Speaker 2: Did you want me to play whistle Rock again? Yes,
if you don't mind, yeah, absolutely, So talk about that one.
Speaker 4: That was the next like the first night or the
first time we went, and the jeep Rock one about
two weeks later we went back and uh, that time
we set we set up equipment ups and the chairs
up and we didn't even call blast and they already
started throwing stuff. And a little bit later that night. Normally,
if you came up to me and said, here's a
million dollars, do a really good whistle, and I'd be going.
That's about how it would be. And somehow that night,
I don't know how I did those three whistles. I
was able to go up an octave on each one,
and they did not like that, and they threw a
rock at me and hit hit my jeep.
Speaker 2: That's insane. All right, let's get into what's can we do?
Speaker 6: The the ah ah okay, that one's my favorite.
Speaker 4: Yeah that David Ellis isolated that to show the change
of the pitch, because that's and that's why I titled
wahooh is because that's what it's doing. And coyotes and
stuff don't do that. They don't fluctuate octaves and pitches.
You know, you've got to be a primate to sound
out bowel sounds. And that's what that thing's doing. David
is actually compiling across the United States right now, all
these different audio samples that have been recorded across the
United States where there's some kind of hint of language
or or mut if you want to call it music.
I don't know where the thing's going ooh ooh. You know,
I'm not saying it singing, but it's it's doing something different.
It's not just screaming. Or howling, and he's collecting all
those trying to do kind of like a Rosetta stone,
you know, kind of with that, which I think is
insanely exciting. And I'm fortunate that you know, David's using
some of the stuff that you know, that we've recorded
in that project.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that really does sound like it's singing, and
I think that's why I'm just like, yes, that's my
favorite one. Let's go to the let's go to the scream.
Speaker 9: Okay, there ain't nothing in the ones that can do that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's changing tone and pitch and I almost sing
to me, that one is calling out almost it almost
sounds lonely in a way.
Speaker 2: It was very mournful sound, and I let it play
a couple of times. It did. It sounded very morful.
Speaker 4: Either something happened or it's or it's looking for something
or you know, in one of its kind. You know, Mom,
I don't know what you call it, but it's something's
happened there and that thing is crying out. That's It's
a definite. There's a different emotion tied to that audio clip,
different from the other.
Speaker 2: Ones exactly, now, do you think because I know everything
we talk about is speculation because nobody has one. But
do you think when they get kicked out of their
family group, like do they do you think they would
share the emotion like of being angry that they were
kicked out or they're you know, sad. Maybe I'm just
humanizing them.
Speaker 4: I don't know that. See, we don't know. I mean, yeah,
there seems to be groups of them. And but at
some age do they kick like the younger males out
m h to do their own kingdom or whatever you
want to call it. I don't know, yeah, could you
everybody's guess.
Speaker 2: It, you know, yeah, well, and that's all we can do.
But I just want to bring everything to the table
and be like, look, what is this? What could this be?
What could this be? Because you hear of encounters where
some people are saying they look like they have been brushed,
and then others are like, you know, madded and just nasty.
And some speculate that it's because you know, the ones
who are groomed are in a family group and the
ones who are not have been kicked out. So I
was just curious, makes sense, I would think. So let's
see graveyard two Ellis.
Speaker 10: Let's listen to this one.
Speaker 4: That's the second part. That's that's from October eleventh, twenty fourteen.
That was the events that put us on the TV
show Tear in the Woods. Then they pretty much took
the same story and put it on the show These
Woods are Haunted. It was on a different channel, so
they call the show something different. But that was at
the graveyard that night. There's a section before that, but
that one kind of shows and it does have the
cussing in it, but that one shows that thing howling
over top the coyotes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what is your opinion on the correlation between Bigfoot
and graveyards.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I need to be kind of fascinated
for some reason, you know, I don't know, cause you
hear the same.
Speaker 2: The same thing with dog man and grape yards. So
I was just curious.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know what's the dog man thing? But
I don't Sorry, what's that?
Speaker 2: And I said, no, you're good.
Speaker 4: But uh, I don't know. It's maybe because it's I
don't know that area in the because some of them
brave yards, like the one we went into, it's the
middle of nowhere and it's there's there's trees and brush, everywhere,
and all of a sudden, you've got kind of a smooth, nice,
kind of cleared area. And uh, you know, maybe they
you know, I think they they probably watch people get buried.
I don't know they maybe they understand what that is,
you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if they bury their own, you know that's
been speculated too. They bury their own, and that's why
nobody can ever find a body. Or it's all love
for interpretation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well nature takes care of himself really quick. One
thing that when last year we spoke in North Carolina
at the counter Quest and doctor Jeffrey Meldrin was there,
and I would love to take him to work and
have him talk to a couple of idiots I work
with who make fun of me anyway, because he's great
and he uses really big words and he's smart as
a professor and kind of hard to argue with that guy.
And but anyway, he had told the number of black
bears that were in North Carolina, and it was, you know,
number in a few thousands, I don't remember, but the
number of bears that were found that died of natural
causes was a big fan and zero. So if people
aren't finding bears that have died of natural causes, and
bigfoot is more rare than a bear. Your chances of
finding one just laying there dead, they're pretty pretty.
Speaker 2: Astronomical, Yeah, some to none.
Speaker 4: And then I say, we know squirrels are everywhere. Where's
all the dead squirrels. We should be knee deep in
dead squirrels where they at. Unless you see one on
the side of the road or hanging off of a
power line, you don't see them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't see them. And that's something that I
completely forgot when my husband had an encounter, was something
here on our property back in twenty twenty one. After that,
we are on the neighborhood. App after that, everyone within
our area here we're finding dead squirrels in their yard.
And it wasn't just one person, but it was after
whatever it is that he saw, he said it was
like eight foot tall on its feet. It corrupted him
and then took off. We were doing yard work after that.
Everybody was finding dead animals in their yard. And I
was like, is this saying just saying, hey, I'm here,
have a squirrel, you know? But otherwise, no, you don't see,
you know, dead squirrels anywhere except for the road no, and.
Speaker 4: I've talked to people. A lady near Fayetteville, Ohio. Then
actually someone that lives on the outskirts of Hubert Heights
where some stuff has happened. A girl I used to
work with actually called me one night and says, and
she thinks all this as boloney, and she goes, hey,
she goes, I don't know what's going on, but it
might be up your alley. And she goes, I want
you to listen to this. She walked outside, turned to
her phone on speaker, and every dog in her neighborhood
was going berserk. It was about and twelve pm at night.
And she said, they have never done this, They never
sounded like this. And I said, you have a visitor somewhere.
Something has come up. The town ends right there, kind
of goes down and goes into a heavily wooded area
and there's rivers down there. Came up from the river
bottoms went into the neighborhood and that's why them dogs
are going berserk. And the same thing happened in Fayetteville,
and people reported that all the squirrels, raccoons, ground hogs
just suddenly like disappeared, like something came in and animal. Wow, yeah,
and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: It's it's just mind boggling. See because the same way,
we live right across the street from a creek, and
then it's just mountains. So it's like it acrossed the
creek and came into our little nook here on the
side of the mountain, showed itself, and then it was
out of here.
Speaker 4: Where are you at? By the way, we.
Speaker 2: Live on Bent Mountain Inn in Vernet, Virginia.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, gotcha right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're about thirty seven minutes from Floyd County
up further up the mountain.
Speaker 5: Okay, so.
Speaker 2: It's baffling. I'm trying to go through here and make
sure I don't miss any que questions because usually I
do this and Wayne talks and I'm the one woman
showed this evening his computer crashed. Oh yeah, so he
said I probably won't be back and I'm so sorry.
That's fine, we got it. Well, let's play. You have
one more audio clip here, we'll play it's so mm hmmm,
whistle rock.
Speaker 4: You replayed that one?
Speaker 2: Did I play that one? I thought I played whistle
Rock one.
Speaker 4: This might be the same thing. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, we'll play it and see.
Speaker 2: Ol rocket falling, see anything?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: Fine?
Speaker 4: Always all.
Speaker 2: That was loud.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's the second like version of that where
it's kind of cleaned up and then the audio is
kind of brought a little bit. You can hear it better. Yeah, yeah,
I think the same thing twice. Sorry about that.
Speaker 2: Oh no, it's okay, it's okay, I don't mind. Yeah,
how do how do you how do you feel in
the woods when you're here and all this stuff happened
to you like that? Are you scared? Are you scared anymore?
Speaker 4: Or is it just like that when they threw the
rocks and we're hitting the vehicles, I was extremely worried
because I really expected to get hit and uh, you
know they've come in closed, you know, you know put
they pushed the tree down, and there was a few
times I thought, hey, we're going to have to get them,
you know, out of here, like now. And I've had
moments like that, and it's still you know, it causes
some I want to say, anxiety, but you know, you're
even those about half of us carrying.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more. But that they quit report, we'll
be right back.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I carry three fifty seven. It's probably
not gonna take that down. It's mainly just for my
own and shooting something is the last resort that if
something's coming in and it ain't gonna stop, and you
have to because you know, I'm gonna use a very
bright flashlight I'm gonna turn on before that, I've got
a it's like a rape whistle alarm that you push
a button in one hundred and thirty decibel siren. I'm
gonna turn all this stuff on him and to try
to back them off to get out of there before
I'm gonna shoot anything. But yeah, there's there's plenty of
times that and it still happens because no matter what
I mean, there's strengthen numbers and you feel, hey, you
know they're they're here. You know, we'll all go down together.
Speaker 2: We're gonna die, but we're gonna die as a team.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I'm just gonna lay. Maybe they think they
already got me.
Speaker 2: Uh, but.
Speaker 4: I would never do it by myself, just because you know,
a lot of the areas we go into there is
no freaking phone service, right, and you know, always if
there's anyone out there listening that it wants to go
do this, take friends, buddy system, let somebody know. I know,
you don't want to let out where you're going to
go research at because they could tell someone and then
maybe someone messages with you. But tell someone you can
trust where you're at in case something happened, you know,
and right you're out by yourself and you fall down
and you twist an ankle, you break your leg, you
know you're going to be coyote food there, you know.
Speaker 2: Right well, and that's what Wayne always says, you know,
never go out alone and always carry because there's more
in the woods than big Foot.
Speaker 4: No, probably the most frightened I've ever been is the
you know, the night of you know, October eleventh, twenty fourteen.
And you know, the people that have seen that episode
on on Tearing the Woods, they did a pretty good job.
They did combine some stuff, they added stuff that didn't happen.
I never fired a warning shot. Mike didn't have this
big anxiety attack. We had some anxiety and a lot
of adrenaline that night, And yeah, we were frightened because
we never had that much happened at the same time.
Mainly it was just you're there most of the night,
maybe you heard one thing, you know. And the last
time we stopped that night, his son Jordan got out
and did a howl and he wasn't even done doing
his howl, and we got a response on both sides
of this trail road we were on. And at that
point it kind of dawned on me, Hey, wait a minute,
these things are following us and they're getting closer. I
felt that we were being kind of funneled, you know,
like a sheep dog funneling cheap, you know. And I
didn't know if they were going to let us out
of there. And at the same time, I heard air
coming out of something, and I thought Mike had driven
over something. I walk over by his vehicle and his
tires are good. It's not coming from his vehicle. It's
coming from the inside the woods. Like a dummy, I
walked into the woods. It's a little bit more, a
little bit more, And thank god I didn't take too
many more steps, because what I didn't realize is what
was making that noise was in that pocket of woods.
Because I'm thinking, in my mind, Okay, has somebody thrown
out a propane tank, a scoop, a tank, a tire.
What is making this sound. That's what I'm thinking. That's
not what happened. That's not what caused that. And I'm
walking into the woods with no light on. It's pitch black,
and there's something within, maybe I don't know, twenty five
to thirty feet of me that I can't see. It
doesn't know what I'm thinking. I don't know if he
could read on the thread or not. Maybe it can
read my intent. I don't know. But what if I
take another step or two and it decides, okay, that's it.
It's coming after me and I'm gonna I'm gonna take
care of business. That thing would have would have took
took me out. I'd never known what happened. But anyway,
I thank god I did stop, and I'm listening, and
I closed my eyes and listen to this sound, and
I realized it's not air leaking out of a tank.
There is something a few feet in front of me,
and it's breathing in and out. Oh my lord, freaking froze.
I have goosebumps on my arms. And this thing went
from a just taking just doing taking a breathing. It
would take the breath in and then it kind of
do that ape like that huff kind of thing, and
I'm like, I've got to get out of here, but
I don't want to move. I'm afraid to freaking move.
Sure how I turned around, run and if I want
to U so, I literally I start backing up very carefully,
and I keep backing up, and I did draw my gun.
I had it down at my side, I had it
against my leg. I don't know if this thing's coming
or not. And I'm backing up one step at a time,
and it's doing the same thing, the deep breath, the hut,
and then it it stops with that. I guess the
moment before I started backing up, it went from that
to a very low, very guttural I know, if you
want to call it a roar, what it was different
only heard it the one time. I do not ever
want to hear that sound again, because it the roar.
It when it admitted it, it actually reverberated off my
chest like I was at a heavy metal concert, Oh
my gosh. And I had not only heard it, I
felt it. The people that's behind me, wherever they're at
at that moment, they heard it. They didn't feel it.
I felt it. And to me, this was big Daddy,
because there was more than one that night that followed us,
and it was pretty much saying get the f out
of here now or else. So at that moment I started,
I'm backing up. When I felt my foot kind of
hit this gravelly area, I knew I'm out. I'm pretty
much on the main trail. At that point, I turned
and I probably sounded my voice is probably as high
as Michael Jackson, and I yelled, We're getting that f
out of here, and we run. We run the car
like Keystone cops. You younger kids are gonna have to
google that. And we're getting in the vehicle and Mike
Tug takes off. He almost flipped the vehicle. We almost
went off the side of this this It wasn't a mountain,
but we were elevated. He almost went off the edge,
you know, and and it would probably kill all of us.
But we got out of there. We got down. The
word flattens out probably corner of a mile, and we stopped,
Hey is Jordan, Okay, everybody's in the car. We're all
in here, okay, and we're just trying to calm down,
you know, the proof breathing heavy, and we stopped, and
all of a sudden, you know, he's got the engine running,
bright lights are on. This deer walks out in front
of us and just stops. It never looks toward the
car one time. It's looking at the direction we just
came from. And I looked at Mike and said, does
this thing want to ride? Or what the hell?
Speaker 11: You know?
Speaker 4: And you can take me with you. And it snorted
and piled the ground and it literally turns around and
runs the other way and we got out of there.
That's how that night ended. And I will never ever
forget that. I will never forget whatever was not even
twenty feet from me breathing like that, and then that
that noise sounded. Admitted I felt that I will never
freaking forget that. And like I said, I don't ever
want to hear that one again, because that one that's
not a good one.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, no, then that is the you're you're trespassing, sir,
and you're gonna die, And you have two point five
seconds make a decision.
Speaker 4: What if I take one more step? What if I
slip and lean forward? I mean, you know, dog food, dude,
I don't want to know how close I came to,
you know, being wiped out because I was I was
dancing on edge there.
Speaker 2: That's scary. That's so scary. Well, we're right here at
the hour. Let's get into some questions. You have quite
a few. If I missed a question, please type it
again and I will run back through and grab it
for you from mister t Roy here. Do you ever
take notes of tree species, diameter, arch, height, et cetera.
Speaker 4: We're not that technical. I will take we will take
pictures of trees and stuff. I did post one earlier
in the year where we're an event happened where there
was a crossing at daytime, crossing in front of a
lady driving and the thing was mad because she kind
of interrupted a deer hunt and the deer got away.
They actually stamped a tree, a big I mean a
good sized tree at a ninety degree angle. I posted
that picture, and you know a lot of people laughed
and said, you know, the skeptics, all that was lightning.
Lightning does not do that to a tree like that.
And because there was no explosion, there was no impact point.
You know, it was like stamped at a ninety degree angle.
And crazy enough, if you go up this way into
this property. There was another tree not one hundred yards
snapped the same way. And then since then, this has
just happened this year, within the last two months. Somebody
went and not only took that tree down and cut
it up, the one right by the road. And this
thing was stamped. It was not into it wasn't into
the road, hanging into the road. It wasn't into any
power lines or anything, the lines nothing. Someone cut that
tree down, just those two trees, none of these other ones.
And there's candidate there. They might want to cut that
one down because storm comes in. That's probably going to
cause problems. No, the two trees that were stamped at
the nine and gre Angele had been removed, which is
kind of odd, right.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you, why do you think
they would do that?
Speaker 4: Some kind of marker mean something.
Speaker 2: It does mean something, I would agree. Toy asked again,
does the size of the rock matter as far as
their intentions. I've heard of youngsters throwing pebbles and pot cones.
Speaker 4: Yes, they've thrown little rocks before. We were at a
campfire one time on Mark on Mark Mark property and
we weren't even big footing that night. We were just
drinking beer two in the morning, sharing stories, and they
threw little stones at us, just like it was the
younger one's playing. You know, have a cable where they
don't have a taco bell open at three am, So
we were like their entertainment, I guess. But I took
that as a playful gesture because we were hit those
and they didn't hurt Now the rocks they hit the
vehicle with that, we scared their young one. They did
damage to the vehicles, and they would have clocked us
if they would hit us. And I'm glad, but you know,
I think the matter they are, they're probably going to
pick up the bigger, bigger the object, And.
Speaker 2: How do you explain that to your insurance company? So
what happened was I was out big putting and I've
pissed it off.
Speaker 4: Oh that jeeps isn't with us anymore. She went to
the graveyard in the sky. It had over three hundred
and three and three thousand miles on it. I really
wasn't worried about it getting beat up.
Speaker 2: That's what it was for got too got to you.
Troy said, could that have been red wolves with the
hows and stuff? No?
Speaker 4: No, David Ellis has has analyzed those audio clips. There
are iOS and stuff from there, but like the main culprit,
if you want to call it that the audio in question,
that is something else.
Speaker 2: Got you miss, Chris Blaylock. Do you research what animals
are in the area in the sounds that they make?
Speaker 4: Yes, we have. And furthermore, David's program has every sound
and the Hurts band and not just the identification of it,
but he's got every living creature in North America in
his database. So if there's if we record and we've
had that where we had one a few years ago
that I thought was promising it turned out to be
an owl. But he this program identifies the sounds and
it will say this is an owl, this is a fox,
this is a deer, this is you know, this is
some crazy lady on frag or on meth methany. It
was Meane, it was her name. He had his program
didn deifies that and then it shows a hurt span
where the audio goes and there's a certain range that
where they what he calls suspicious audio that doesn't match
anything that's that's recorded across the United States. Seems to
be from a three point thirty to like almost nine
hundred megahertz. It's in that range.
Speaker 2: All right, miss Erica. What's the best audio you have
ever gotten?
Speaker 4: Probably the bridge one that that you know, peg tier
than the bad boon. That's that's that's evidence. Whether you know,
there're no matter skeptic. You know, most of these skeptics,
unless you drag a body out there, just don't want
to hear about it. But that is evidence because that's
a professional who analyzed it and said it's nothing nothing,
nothing else natural. It's nothing unnatural that was created, and
we surely held on have that kind of technology anyway
or right or the to do anything like that. No,
I'm you know, I'm like when I type, I'm not
in peck typer. I can't sit there and do this number.
But all right, those have been identified by the Hurts by.
Speaker 2: All right, Chris Blaylock. Are all these clips from the
same area.
Speaker 4: They are from? Most of those are from Adams County,
not the same exact spot, but within probably a twenty
mile radius. One of those I believe was over by
East Fork.
Speaker 2: Okay, And Troy wants to know who is with you
in the audio that's talking with you.
Speaker 4: One of the people was Mike Fauldner and he retired.
He's doing stuff with his wife. This year. Had a big,
big two honey do list kind of thing going on.
Tody Paly was there. Bev and mc McCoy were there.
They're part of the group. My son Noah was there,
and Donna was in there a couple of times, and
then I believe Angie Havens was there also one of
those awesome.
Speaker 2: Well, I just want to thank you for coming on
and spending this time. I'm sorry Wayne had to check out.
He said he was sorry when this computer cracked out
on him. So, but thank you for rescheduling with us,
and you're welcome back anytime.
Speaker 4: Oh cool, I'll come back. Yeah, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. Well you have a good rest of
your evening then.
Speaker 4: Sir, okay, this coming Saturday moment, Oh I forgot.
Speaker 2: Yes, I was going to give you the option or
the availability to speak about everything you're doing.
Speaker 4: I'm going to be with your buddy there that spirit
Spirits of the Forest that's in September, and Russell A.
Court is going to be there. We actually took for
us to our spot in Adams County three three years
ago into Live.
Speaker 2: Oh cool.
Speaker 4: We recorded that, but this is coming Saturday. I'll be
at the at the Bigfoot Festival in Middlefield, Ohio.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: Then we have a Facebook page, please like it. It's
Ohio Night Stalkers. In any place that I'm going to be,
I'm the only one doing the presentations this year. But
their presentation is a PowerPoint presentation, and I have pictures
of the actual research area. I tell the story of
what happened in those areas, and then the audio that
was recorded on those nights, and we go through all
that with the original audio clips and after David Ellis
cleaned it up and stuff, and we have those also.
But any any place I'm going to be with those presentations.
I just spoke in Clyde, Oregon, back on June twenty first.
That was a great trip. But they can find out
by going to that Facebook page where we will be at.
Speaker 2: Well, that is cold, that is really cool, and and
you're speaking with Wayne the end of this this year
at the Spirit of the Forest with Susan, So that'll
be it'll be a good time.
Speaker 4: I'm sure that's a little closer than Oregon for sure. Yes,
I drove out there.
Speaker 2: Oh my how long was that draw?
Speaker 4: Three days?
Speaker 2: Oh, that's dedication.
Speaker 4: I drive for ups eight to ten hours is like
an everyday thing, pushing up to fourteen or so. It's
not a not a big deal really, But I wanted
to see the United States and I a car last year.
I'm like this while you you know, that's why you
bought it. Drive the darn thing. And I wanted. I
wanted to see things.
Speaker 2: That I did. Did you do any exploring an Oregon No?
Speaker 4: Not related to sight seeing? Went to Crater Lake, but
oh my goodness, anything you can just stop on the
road there and do stuff because the road is pretty
much to a forest pine. I love pine trees and
it's just you know, and I love being there because
I hate the rail on Ohio because I've lived here
in my whole life and there's part of what I like.
But out there you've got trees and you've got water,
and the water is either clear or it's blue. And
I come back home and the water looks like toilet water. Oh,
I'm Michael, Ohio. You're killing me, you know. And then
it wants to be ninety five degrees with all this humidity,
and I'm like, hey, where's our ocean at it, it's
going to be like, where's our ocean at you know,
we don't have one, and I'm you know, I'm probably
out of here when I retire.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well the heat has been awful everywhere. You walk
out your front door and you're wet. Yep, I mean
it's ridiculous, but do come back again please.
Speaker 4: Well, thank you thanks for having me appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Yes, and everybody is great. Show. Thanks Mike, and bite
Mike back. So everybody wants you back, so whenever, So
whenever you get a chance, you just hit me up
and I'll get you scheduled. Okay, cool sounds good, all right,
thank you, Thank you everybody.
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Speaker 11: Through the woods, the pine trees, sway, shadows long at
end of day, Bigfoots call on the whispering breeze. Secrets
kept by ancioot trees, dog Man house bring echoes in
the silent too tracks We fine, but answers none. A
hunt for truth, that's just the gun. We're searching past
the fire light. Four creatures hidden our sight in the
forest heart where shadows lay seeking see chrits in the twilight.
Through the fall a shape did gly skin walker? I
show why Legends of oh We chase to night in
the dark, our lanterns bright by the creek, quil water
spill whispers ry, the winds, oak chill, full of steep
and tails on top. In this land the myths of old.
We're searching past the fire light, full creatures hidden out
of sight, in the forest heart, where shadows lay, seeking
seacrets in the twilight break