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Oh see Sean o'colly. You can hear him every single
day on ESPN seven hundred and their midday show show
and how that car are you?
Speaker 2: Buddy? Thanks for joining me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for having me.
Speaker 5: What a day?
Speaker 2: Huh crazy?
Speaker 3: I mean, we kind of felt like this was happening,
but there is some waffling. I felt like I felt
like there was a little bit of a power struggle
here with you know, maybe maybe Kyle didn't want to
step down, didn't want to retire. All the news coming
out of this, obviously he is stepping down, he's not
officially retiring.
Speaker 2: Sounds like there.
Speaker 3: Was a bit of upheaval, maybe a little bit of
power play going on over the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: With the end of the season coming to an end.
Speaker 4: I don't really know that there was a power play
so much as there was indecision happening, because you know,
this is a man who's a football lifer, who is
trying to convince himself that maybe he doesn't need to
be a football lifer at the University of Utah. I'm
mildly surprised to see what Stuart Mandel is reporting that
he might seek other coaching opportunities. But I mean, coach
Witt has been laying this groundwork for now for really
two and a half three years. He would have stepped
away last season if it hadn't been such a disastrous result.
You know, five wins. He's too competitive to go out
on that note. And obviously a ten win season not
quite right off into the sunset season that he probably
hoped for, which I'm sure incentivized him in some way to, hey,
maybe should I do it again? But this is something
that he's been hinting at now for the better part
of three years, and he's stepping down. If there's an
NFL job out there, he would obviously take it. If
there's a massive like a University of Michigan interest in
somebody like Kyle Whittingham, which seems like, you know, kind
of far fetched at this point. I'm sure he'll take
something like that beyond any of those huge opportunities. I
can't imagine him coaching on a sideline somewhere else, at
least not next year.
Speaker 3: So what's as far as head coaching jobs right now?
Not very many of them available. We're getting towards the
end of the cycle, but there are a few still available.
Do you think he receives calls or do you think
people are viewing college in the twilight of his career
and still doesn't have he doesn't have any energy left.
I mean, this is a good football team. I mean
you're on the cusp of greatness. You lost to your
rival by three on the road. You had Texas Tech
at home, right and you fought to the nail through
three quarters.
Speaker 2: Fourth quarter they pulled away from you. Texas Tech very
well could be a national champion.
Speaker 3: With an influx of cash, maybe some nil, he can
go out and purchase a pretty good staff and a
pretty gosh dang good roster.
Speaker 4: I think if you're if you're an athletic director or
you're a university president, if you're in athletic department, and
you're seeing what Chris com Ronning and Stuart Mandela reporting,
and you're saying, wait, Kyle Whittingham's leaving Utah, but he's
not necessarily retiring. Am I in a position right now
where I want someone for two to three seasons where
I need somebody that kind of writes this ship, gets
us back on a positive path, and then eventually he
steps down. And maybe it's only one season, but a
short If you're looking for a short term fix, which
I don't think very many people are in college football,
to be frank, but if you're somebody out there in
a leadership position who's looking for a relatively short term fix,
there would be no better call to make than Kyle Whittingham.
I don't know who's in that position. I mean, my
imagination can run wild, and I could say, if I'm
Michigan and we just got rocked by some crazy scandal,
who do I want? I want someone who's the opposite
of scandal.
Speaker 5: I want someone.
Speaker 4: Who's as boring and steady and reliable as I can
possibly find. And that's a sixty six year old Kyle
Whittingham who's been married forever. And you know, wants to
be wants to be thought of as one of the
best coaches in the country. I could provide him those
resources that you just hinto that and maybe he can
pass the torch to somebody else. Again, I think that's
incredibly far fetched. But if if he's leaving the glimmer
and the possibility this little window open that he might coach,
it would only be in my mind a place like.
Speaker 3: That, any chance BYU, if their funds they want to
go bring in another analyst, a senior analyst. They're at
Brigham Young University.
Speaker 4: I think that would be one job that he would
absolutely not take.
Speaker 2: He doesn't want that.
Speaker 3: He let's say, as far away from probo as possible.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean also, he's not the type that wants
to stir up somebody else's punch bowl. You know, like
Kyle and Klane are friends. Kyle has repeatedly acknowledged with
a great job Kilinie's doing down there. He's got relationships
with a bunch of the guys on that staff, And
as soon as you throw somebody like that in, it
just upsets the power balance and creates rumors and like
all these insane situations and drama that Kyle Whittingham is
allergic to.
Speaker 5: So no shot of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, there are only head coaching opportunities out there
in a Michigan, Missouri state, in Washington state. But I
imagine like there's if you have a senior analyst role
open and a and a checkbook that's fairly open as well,
you could probably pay him now. But I thought he
had a sweetheart deal as an associate ad making him
million dollars a year if he if he stays at
the University of you thought.
Speaker 5: He can.
Speaker 4: I think it's a two or three year deal where
he can be like a special advisor to the athletic department,
that little golden parachute type job.
Speaker 5: But I don't think.
Speaker 4: I don't think that that's the type of thing that
interests Whittingham to a great deal, you know what I mean,
Because what is he dealing with in that he's shaking
hands and kissing babies and now he's talking to private
equity people potentially. I mean, it's just like this man
is either going to be coaching football or he's going
to be skiing, golfing and hanging out with his grandkids.
I imagine they'll pull him out of the bullpen for
big time Crimson Club events whenever he gets bored. But
that advisory role, to me was always written as something
that's like not a particularly like day to day type gig,
So I don't know what it's actually going to be.
But again, Kyle Whittingham is not the type of dude
that is going to be wanting to sit at a desk,
you know, and putting a tie on every day, So
I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the real o c Shot o'condle here on ESPN
the Fan. How would you describe the last few years
under Kyle And do you think it was the right
time for him to step down or do you think
there were still some Jews left?
Speaker 4: Well, I think there is juice left. But I think
that the right thing to do in any sports capacity
is to be done with the sport before the sport
is done with you. And I think that Kyle Whittingham
is acknowledging that, you know, he has been grudgingly accepted
the changes and adapted to the changes in college football.
He has begrudgingly participated in the recruit your own players
every three months and make sure you pay these kids
sometimes way more than their worth with nil stuff, and
he's adapted as much as an old dog can learn
those new tricks. I think he deserves a lot of
respect for the way that he has adapted when some
of his peers, at least age wise and experience wise,
were less able or not able to do. But again,
this is a guy that is just you know, he's
in the twilight years of a professional career, much less
a football coaching career, and for him to walk away
at this time where he finished on a ten win season, yes.
Speaker 5: Just short of those stated goals that he talked about.
Speaker 4: With you know, college football playoff invitation Big twelve championship.
I think that would have made him the only Division
one coach to win conference championships in three different conferences.
If he had been able to pull that off, all
that would have been really really great to see him,
to see him do. But it feels like the right
time for him to step away because you know, Morgan
is ready to take over. And Morgan is a guy
that he helped mold and I mean he coached as
a player, as you're well aware, and has helped mold
who Morgan is as a coach. And I think that
Kyle Whittingham he always said he wants to be not
just the coach but also the steward of this program.
He wants to leave it in good hands. He wants
to know when the right time to walk away is.
And you know, Morgan might not be waiting patiently for
another season or two, and maybe he would take an
opportunity in order to get out from under the shadow
or get out from under that Kylewoodyham umbrella. And I
think that all plays into it, and Coach Wit realizes
that this is the time, so, you know, go out
on a high note if he can. And ten and
two is a high note. It's not quite as high
a note as some of us hope for this year,
but it's the hell of the season.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, what other dominoes could fall
between the two schools with this move?
Speaker 2: Do you think any other dominoes could fall?
Speaker 3: I does j Hill get a call from Morgan Scaley
say hey, you want to be assistant head coach and
the DC as I move up to the head coaching world.
Speaker 2: Do you think that's a possibility.
Speaker 4: I think it's a strong possibility. I think it's a
conversation that you know, should at least be entertained on
both sides. I don't know that Jay would be willing
to do that. I don't know that Morgan would be
willing to go back to Jay instead of you know,
promoting a Colton Swan or Sharif Shaw or Lewis Powell
or the guys that have you know, stayed at Utah
and been a huge part of his own success, of
Morgan's own success.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean, why wouldn't he go to J Hill.
Speaker 4: J is one of the best assistant coaches in the
country period. So there's also, you know, the possibility of
Gary Anderson. Gary Anderson was the defensive coordinator, a position coach.
I guess he was the d line coach when Morgan
was there, and then he was the defensive coordinator who
took over right after Morgan left, and so he coached
again under Gary when he was just a grad assistant
in climbing the ladder.
Speaker 5: So they've got a great relationship.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised if Morgan is calling a couple
of different guys that are on that YU staff and saying, hey,
is there any interest in you coming back? Because I
assume that there's going to be some shuffling of the deck.
When the defensive coordinator moves up, one of his position
coaches probably becomes a decordinator or Jay becomes a defensive coordinator,
and that's going to change some things. Also, who knows
if BYU is calling Jason Beck or anyone who is
involved in Utah's offensive success this year. So as as
always the case with these two programs, it goes both ways.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's competitive comparative enmity here the private equity deal.
I haven't been able to tune into your show, but
I imagine you've delved deep into this. Your reaction, You're
thoughts the positive and the potential negative here from your perspective, Well.
Speaker 4: The positive is that you presumably have an influx of
funds that help you to stay competitive with schools in
your own conference and beyond, especially in the Western United
States where a lot of your recruiting footprint is where
you know you can offer the same kind of things
that Oregon and USC and Texas Tech and b YU
are offering to recruits and to assistant coaches and to
families that want to be part of your department or whatever.
So that's that's the positive. That's the obvious positive and
the pretty obvious negative is that now you've you've partnered
with an industry that is notoriously soulless and sucks the
life out of a lot of the things that they
end up partnering with because all they care about is
the almighty dollar. Now, that's far from ideal from a
sports fan perspective, but it's the reality of where college
sports have headed, and it does provide some exciting, you know,
new possibilities in the realm of you know, setting president
for the rest of college football and for the rest
of college athletics where maybe maybe it is time to
invite return on investment type partners into your athletic department.
I don't know how it's going to work out. I've
talked about this, you know, every which way I can
possibly imagine, and I can see it going both ways.
Massive risk, massive reward, and UTAH was the first one
to take the lead.
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Speaker 2: Wait, are you going to be flying to France too?
Speaker 5: I'm in France right now.
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Speaker 2: Are you solo? Do you have the fam out there?
Speaker 5: Nope? Just me, just me.
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Speaker 2: All right, which one are we gonna start with? First?
Ronald three Man Weaver.
Speaker 6: Let's start with a lot of people might not know
this about always stay tuned in. Kevin Young and Jimmer
were actually on the Coaches Show together, So let's start
with a little history. Because the last time Bill you
had a basketball player like Jimmer for dead, I mean
like Agent Demons was Jimmer for Dead. So let's start
with Jim Er joining Kevin Young on the Coaching Show.
Speaker 7: So the only game I'd ever been to at the
Marriott Center prior to my first game coaching there was
when this guy and these guys play Wake Forest.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, that was that was a loss, but an
amazing game.
Speaker 7: Amazing game, so much talent in that game. So you know,
I lived in the community and would you know hear
of you know, what he was doing over here and
so forth.
Speaker 8: It was a good time to be in provo flashing forward.
You were with the Delaware eighty seven ers, you were
playing with the Westchester Knicks, and there was a season
where you faced off against this guy six times, six times.
Speaker 2: I did check it out.
Speaker 8: He averaged twenty four games in those six games. Was
like the coach against him.
Speaker 2: It was not easy.
Speaker 7: It was not I mean, obviously I knew a lot
about him and his game, and I think I after
one of the games, I kind of made the LBS connection,
which was cool. But yeah, man, super hard got to
game plan four and uh, it was just kind of
a full circle deal. Honestly, the fact that you know
we were had been here at the same time and
now competing against each other all the way out there.
Speaker 8: Yeah, when do you first recall crossing paths with him
and making a connection.
Speaker 9: Yeah, the Delaware the Delaware connection was the first time.
And we played, like I said, we played a lot
against each other. And he told me that afterwards, like
that's that's incredible to know. I didn't realize that in first.
But the Delaware the opposing locker room, I think is
the smallest room of all time in any arena that
thin there was like three feet and we were all
setting there and we played a ton but that was
a really fun connection. Then obviously after that followed his
career and gone to do great things. And once once
he came here, I.
Speaker 3: Was Jimmer Fernette, nothing but Thatt alongside k Y Kevin Young,
your head coach for.
Speaker 2: The BAYU Cougar basketball team.
Speaker 3: So that would have been what twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen,
when Jimmer Fernett was with the Westchester Knicks.
Speaker 6: Correct, Yeah, that, Yeah, I gotta go back and do
some but I think that's right around the timeline.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3: I actually went out to UH when b YU was
was in the final four the n I t at
that same time.
Speaker 2: I went out and.
Speaker 3: Covered the game at MSG. Was great, it was fantastic,
was marvelous. It was wonderful at court side covering the
team and a great trip obviously, And then I went
over to a west Chester Knicks game where Jimmer Furnett
dropped I think twenty or so points. It was beautiful,
It was fantastic, It was marvelous. So love seeing the connections,
love seeing you know how intertwined these former these former
Cougars get with now current Cougars. Remember k Why was
not a cougar? Okay, he was not, he was never
a cougar. He was He's been adopted, he's been grafted
into the branch of Brigham. Okay, this beautiful tree and
we love it. It's fantastic, it's marvelous. Okay, why doing
great things at b y U and uh shout out
to it's it's it's it's an attitude of gratitude type
of December. We're gonna we're gonna try our best during
the month of December or January to get Jack Goldkie
on our show.
Speaker 2: What do you say, Ronald, Let's do it.
Speaker 3: Aren't we grateful for k Why aren't we grateful for
the greatness he's brought to the hardwood? Aren't we grateful
for ag to Bonsa coming to Brigham? Are we grateful
that Jack Golkie dropped so many great shots versus the
Kentucky Wildcats.
Speaker 6: He made it possible Jack Jack, Jack Jack.
Speaker 2: Things aren't going too well.
Speaker 6: Just to give you guys insight, I've been guys is
pressed me to make sure I get this done and
I will deliver for you. Guys like Jimmer for Dead
and the Mailman Carl Malone for those in Utah that
are Jazz fans the NBA. Anyway, The point is Ben
has texted me the message about Jack guys at least
once every six months. Then, Hey, you gotta be grateful.
You gotta be grateful.
Speaker 3: Gotta be grateful for Jack. Be grateful for Jack. All right,
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Speaker 2: What do you got for us, Ronnie?
Speaker 6: This one is pretty interesting. I like this one. So
this is Jimmer for now his experience with you know,
three verses three on the USA basketball Now, Ben, we
know he was playing, had injury, it was unfortunate, but
now he's a part of the administrative role. We know
Trevin Nell is on the three v three team on
the squad as well. So Jimmer on the Kevin Young
Coaches Show with Gregor bel speak thinking about his experience
with three or three basketball and now in the administrative role.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I really did I mean it happened right after
COVID I was with I was in China, still played
with the Sharks, but during that time I was during COVID,
so I didn't get to come back home where my
family didn't come over. It was like seven months I
didn't see anybody. Then we're in a hotel room. It
was really difficult, and at that point I was like,
all right, I'm kind of done with five or five
basketball at this point, I'm just burnt out. And then
about I took some time off, and maybe like five
six months later, Franfriscilla came and was like, hey, we
have three or three basketball for USA. Would you be
interested in helping us, you know, go to the Olympics
and possibly play for the Olympic team. And I was like,
that's that's an amazing opportunity. Let me go ask my
wife and see if that's okay because there's a lot
of travel involved. And then she was like, hey, well
you know where's the twenty twenty four Olympics and they're like,
well it's in Paris. She's like, all right, you're going.
It's going to be an expensive trip for you. So
I was like, let's do it. Once she was all in,
I was all in, and I actually had some some
of the most fun I ever had playing basketball the
last couple of years because it was just for fun
and it was just like playing outside with your friends
and just competing and having a great time.
Speaker 5: So it's been good.
Speaker 8: And then the call comes to pick the next generation
of players.
Speaker 5: Yeah, pretty cool.
Speaker 9: Absolutely, absolutely an honor to be a part of USA
basketball in any capacity. So to be able to do that,
you know, on AJ has been a part of USA
Basketball for a long time. It's an incredible run with them,
so it's just to be a part of it any
capacity is amazing.
Speaker 3: There you go, that's Jimmer for debt, nothing but debt,
Ronald the three man weave or your thoughts, your comment chair,
what do you make of that cougar byte?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's this is an important note Ben,
having someone that has connections and ties as well as
Kevin Young. But this changes I think the landscape for
the future of BOU basketball having Jimmer on three on three,
like we had Trevonilla on the show. You know, we've
interviewed Trevin Brett, interviewed him, I did you and he
talked about this connection of Jimmer was reached out of like, hey,
I'm trying to play basketball, but maybe not competitive five
on five and Bo oversees that much and three on
three did that, Like Trevor was in the same position
being well, does he leave his family? Does he leave
his wife? All of that And this opportunity came because
Jimmer is on the administrative team, you know, on the staff,
So that goes so the connections that you have help
and it opens up even you know, the international pool,
I think even better for by you like how many
former Cougar has been along with Jimmer had been in practice,
you know, and maybe not Jimmer specifically, but Brandon Davies
was there, Zach Sellias. So there's a lot of connections
now of guys when they're in the offseason or back
that Kevin Young is now mixing that they're adding into
this and opportunity. So the connection now with USAA basketball,
like Jim already said, with AJ and Trevin, I think
you're gonna see more BYU basketball players have opportunities to
play overseas or play in the USA Basketball, you know,
represent the United States because of Jim er So I
think that's great and that he is now in that
administrative role. Never thought he would be there. Ben thought
he would just retire from basketball, maybe coach one day
down the road. But no, here he is making important
decisions for you know, our country's basket ball team, specifically
the three on three team.
Speaker 3: They go any other cougar bytes that we wanted to
get into before we go to break.
Speaker 6: There is one more. There's a funny one that I
think we all should listen to. So Rob Wright and
and AJ had joined Sports Nation talking about who's the
smartest on the team and street smart? Who's the most
you know, I guess the best on the team that
you would take with you on the streets. Let's listen
into this. I think you guys are gonna find this
one pretty funny.
Speaker 5: I on the team school.
Speaker 2: Probably me, Rob, If I needed if I needed help
for a question, I'll probably go to X.
Speaker 9: Okay, how about street smarts?
Speaker 2: Because you asked, you know.
Speaker 5: Street smart?
Speaker 6: Are you laughing at you think of someone who's not.
Speaker 9: If I if I if I was going on in
the streets late night and I gonna have security with me,
who's the smartest.
Speaker 6: Guy on the team?
Speaker 2: All right? So what do you make of that Ronald
of three man Weaver.
Speaker 6: I was just laughing the whole time, like X and
I'm just like, okay, look I would say this and
hopefully this doesn't might be in the butt. It's like, okay,
the biracial brother helped me with the books, and then
the dark skiped brother me on the streets, and like,
I just that's how I was looking at it, just
laughing us and what and then laughing just made it worse.
I was just I was just rubbing my head. I'm like,
this is so typical with the brothers, like hey, the
biracial brother, Hey you book smart man, and then the
all all the color brother you got me in the
street bros. Just I was laughing because it's just I
can't even deny. I don't. I don't, I haven't. I've
met the team in passing a little bit and talked
to him here and there. I mean, look, I think
Move is the wrong person to take, maybe just because
I'm normalus. So I take Kba. He's sixth eight, you know, Bulky,
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I want to get back to my question of the day,
where does this year rank among the best seasons in
BA football history? And how does a bowl game right
the Georgia Tech Game? And how does the the how
Texas Tech finished the season UH play and or factor
into your ranking. So you have fifteen double digit win
seasons ranked in a peopole in the eight people at
the end of the year. So number one nineteen eighty four,
thirteen to zero AP pole, that's the number one. Nineteen
ninety six, you ended up number five overall, fourteen and
one with a Cotton Bowl victory. Okay, you got a
Holiday Bowl win in eighty four. Nineteen eighty three you
win eleven and one. You got a Holiday Bowl victory,
and you ended up seventh in the country. Nineteen eighty
you were twelve and one Holiday Bowl win and your
final ranking was top twelve. Two thousand and nine, you
were eleven and two Las Vegas Bowl victory. You actually
beat the rank A ranked Oregon State team. You beat
your quiz Rodgers and Corey Rodgers and that was a
good win. AP top twelve, finish twelfth overall nineteen eighty one,
eleven and two with a Holiday Bowl win. AP final
poll ranking of thirteen nineteen seventy nine, eleven and one
Holiday Bowl loss, AP five final poll thirteenth. Two thousand
and seven, you were eleven and two Las Vegas Bowl
win over UCLA. You were fourteenth nineteen eighty five eleven
and three Citrus Bowl loss, AP sixteen overall, number sixteen
overall in the EIGHTP pole. Two thousand and six Las
Vegas Bowl victory over Oregon big win there eleven and two.
Final season record with a number sixteen rank in the
final AP poll ninety four was ten and three with
a Copper Bowl win. AP final Poll ranking of eighteen.
Nineteen eighty ninety were ten and three. Holiday Bowl loss,
you ended up twenty second in the country. Nineteen ninety
Holiday Bowl loss, you ended up twenty second. Two thousand
and eight, you were ten in three with a Las
Vegas Bowl loss AP pole top twenty five and then
twenty one twelve and two Liberty Bowl loss AP twenty five.
Speaker 2: So you're looking at this, Ronnie.
Speaker 3: Let's say BYU loses, right, that's going to impact every
BYU fans outlook on this season, even if there is
some sort of roster attrition, impactful roster attrition, coaching staff attrition,
whatever it may be, right, any sort of attrition, like,
they're still going to hold BYU to a standard of
winning bowl games even though BWA's.
Speaker 2: Won forty five only you know forty five.
Speaker 3: It's kind of a coin flip in these bowl games
because you're going against high level G four or G
six teams or good Power four teams. Typically if you
look at the historical record and look who you're playing against,
So a lot of times when Bway loses games, it's
because you're going against a G six G five team
that has ten plus victories or a P four team
that's in that seven eight to nine win territory. And
this year you're going against a nine win Georgia Tech
team nine to three Top twenty five. Very few occasions
in which you've played a ranked team in bowl games,
and when you do that, it's hard to get wins.
Hard to get wins. You did it in seven, sorry,
you did it in uh sorry nine against Oregon State,
but it doesn't always happen.
Speaker 2: You did it in ninety six versus Kansas State.
Speaker 3: That was a ranked win, but it's tough, tough to
get those dubs. So it's gonna impact the final outlook
of this team. Right now, you're twelfth. If you win,
you're probably moving up. That would put you, let's say
number four all time. It'd be the fourth best season
per the Ape Pole, because I don't see them jumping
up to number seven, but you could move up right
with a win over the top twenty five team. Let's
say you get to eleven. Okay, that would be fourth
best all time. Okay, then you couple in Texas Tech.
Where does Texas Tech end up? If they if they
end up losing in that quarter five game, that may
impact you a little bit. If they end up winning
the Natty, then all of a sudden, right then, all
of a sudden, you're like, well, man, this may be
the second best or third best team all time in
BYA football history. You're competing then with who the nineteen
ninety sixteen, the nineteen ninety sixteen that ended up top five.
You get far away enough from nineteen eighty three and
you're like, well, maybe it's better than that eighty three team.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I think.
Speaker 3: Those two factors are you going to factor in how
this team is viewed. But right now it's trending towards
top five all time in BYU football history. Ronald the
three man Weaver, how do you see it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Then I look at this, I think this is definitely
a top five season in BA foot bus three. People
can say top seven, argue that no doubt about it's
top ten. But look, I think you can move up
in the top five, especially because you just hit the
nail on the coffin. If Texas Tech wins the National Championship,
if I believe that they will, that is a national
championship defense with the way that they play and how
aggressive and how disciplined they are. And Joey Maguire is
a good coach. Look if the Red Raiders do that, Ben,
you lost to the National Championship you know team twice
in that season. Those are your only losses. You beat
a top twenty five Georgia Tech team, you beat a
top twenty five what is a Utah team? And then
how many other teams did you beat? The are Bowl eligible?
How many other teams did you beat? Per ESPN plus
are you know the you know ESPN FPI, they were
in the top fifty, top you know eighty, top one hundred.
All of that has to go in the f to
couple into nothing against those back in the nineties. But
the athleticism and the talent is way different now been Like,
guys are way more skilled and way more athletic than
probably what was maybe back in the day, things are different.
To keep your body right, there's a lot more things
that are hard on your body. Not granted they didn't
have the modern medicine and the recovery process that these
athletes have, but I think that's what it will couple
down to. If Texas Tech were to win. But two
things have to happen. Texas Tech has to be in
the National Championship and or win it, and BOU has
to win the Pop Tarts Bowl. They can't lose the
Pop Tars Bowl. Ben and the Red Raiders get the
National Championship. Because you and I both say this all
the time, fans listening, I'll probably get a text mess
to someone will talk to me about in person because
I always tell people they don't like something I say,
have a conversation with me. If BAU loses to the
to Georgia Tech and a Pop Tarts Bowl, there would
be people that will come for the typical the play
calling almost terrible old this get rid of this, but
like that that's gonna happen, right And if you say no,
I'm not that type of fan, you're lying. You need
to be honest with your fellow men's Ben always says,
here's why. Remember the Jaron Hall game. You're a way
he didn't play it in the bowl game against you
A b remember that with Tyle out here and it
was gonna Romney out there, you know, and Baylor Rock.
Remember that, and everyone said this season is a failure.
It's like, well, ten win season is a good season. No,
it was not good. Like that's how fans like you, say,
Ben react, so b A, you were not to win
the Pop Tarts Bowl and Texas Tech went on. I
think that and not even Texas Tech necessarily win the
national Championship. I think that's a caveat Ben. I think
that's extra Ba. You must win the Pop Tarts for
fans to have to feel solidified deep in their loins,
their heart, for them to be satisfied after Christmas and
going to the New year, going to springball happy beIN by.
You must defeat Georgia Tech first and then the Red
Raiders do whatever they want second. Because if there's a loss, Bin,
there's going to be uproaring. You and I both know it.
Speaker 3: This is one of the best seasons in BYU football history.
I hope BYU fans recognizing it are grateful for it,
because it's trending to be a top five all time
season and maybe even better than that. Tis the season
to be grateful, to the season to be giving. By
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