1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: Broadcasting from Studio A Here at Proven Winners, Color Choice Shrubs. 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:10,960 It's The Gardening Simplified Show with Stacy Hervella, me Rick Weist, 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:15,640 and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well, happy birthday 4 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,039 America two hundred and fifty years and what a great 5 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:25,440 way to celebrate by maybe going to a great American garden. 6 00:00:26,679 --> 00:00:28,399 I think that's a great way to celebrate. 7 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,679 Speaker 2: You know, I think so too, And that's why we're 8 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,079 ripping up the script from the normal Gardening Simplified Show 9 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,840 and we are going to devote two episodes to sharing 10 00:00:38,119 --> 00:00:42,039 with you the various gardens around the country that have 11 00:00:42,359 --> 00:00:45,320 shaped America and that are worth your time to visit, 12 00:00:45,359 --> 00:00:48,240 because you know, I think that a lot of people, now, 13 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,280 of course not our audience, because they're gardeners, they don't 14 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,560 really think about visiting gardens. Now, if they go to Europe, 15 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,960 they're like, oh, I must go to this garden that garden. 16 00:00:58,039 --> 00:01:00,799 Europe is a place for gardens. But for a lot 17 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,239 of people, I just don't think that visiting gardens, especially 18 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,799 if it's like a destination they're on vacation, I don't 19 00:01:07,799 --> 00:01:11,400 think it enters the realm of possibility. For a lot 20 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:11,799 of people. 21 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and when you you know, when you talk about that, Stacey, 22 00:01:14,719 --> 00:01:20,280 you think about Europe and you have the antiquity and 23 00:01:20,359 --> 00:01:24,480 the ruins and all of that type of thing. America, 24 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,920 United States, the colonies. It was a new world and 25 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:34,000 we had to find a new way of gardening new plants, right, Yeah, 26 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:38,959 and John Bartram was very instrumental in that with his 27 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,560 Bartram Boxes and sending those plants off to Europe and 28 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:48,680 really creating this this knowledge and understanding of what we 29 00:01:48,879 --> 00:01:51,640 had at our disposal here in the new Colonies. 30 00:01:51,719 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: That's absolutely true, And so I do want to say 31 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,879 we're going to go around and share some of Now. 32 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:58,920 Of course we can't do all the gardens we're going 33 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:03,200 to get Mayle imagine, but we do want to hear 34 00:02:03,239 --> 00:02:05,079 from you. So if there is a garden that we skip, 35 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,719 it's not that it's not important. This is just a 36 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,319 little sampler, but please do leave us a comment on YouTube. 37 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:13,840 And we really tried to pick gardens that I think 38 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,280 tell a story. So of course there's so many wonderful 39 00:02:16,319 --> 00:02:18,479 gardens that aren't going to make it into these episodes 40 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,240 because it is going to be two parts. But it's 41 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,000 really about the story, and so that's why we're going 42 00:02:24,039 --> 00:02:28,759 to start with Bartramp's Garden. Okay, right, yes, So Bartromp's 43 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:33,159 Garden is in Philadelphia, and it is the natural place 44 00:02:33,199 --> 00:02:37,560 to start for this celebration of American gardens because it 45 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,680 is the oldest surviving botanic garden in North America. It 46 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:46,000 was founded in seventeen twenty eight, and it is absolutely 47 00:02:46,039 --> 00:02:50,000 amazing that this garden is still surviving. The original house 48 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,919 is there, The original greenhouse is there, of course, not 49 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:57,759 the glass that it's been replaced, and so many of 50 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,719 the original plants. Now you were talking a bit about 51 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:05,000 John Bartram definitely one of the founding gardeners. He was 52 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,159 a plant explorer and botanist in his own right. So 53 00:03:08,159 --> 00:03:10,400 as you said, he sent a lot of plants back 54 00:03:10,439 --> 00:03:13,280 to Europe and they sent plants to him and kind 55 00:03:13,319 --> 00:03:18,120 of helped to facilitate the movement of plants between all 56 00:03:18,199 --> 00:03:21,280 of these different countries. The greenhouse there dates back to 57 00:03:21,319 --> 00:03:23,000 seventeen sixteen. Now I have not been here. Have you 58 00:03:23,039 --> 00:03:23,400 been there? 59 00:03:23,479 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 3: I have been there? 60 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:25,879 Speaker 2: So is it amazing? Yeah? 61 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 3: I mean it's really really cool. 62 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: Well, you know what I did, I have to admit, 63 00:03:30,319 --> 00:03:34,960 you know, it's in the Philadelphia area, right, And what 64 00:03:35,039 --> 00:03:37,560 I did was after I visited, then I went to 65 00:03:37,759 --> 00:03:41,520 the Philadelphia Museum of Art, and of course had to 66 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,800 run the steps back they Balboa. 67 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 68 00:03:44,039 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 2: Yes. 69 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: But the interesting thing about John Bartram is that I 70 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,639 view him as a plant collector, a person who was 71 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:57,599 interested in collecting, identifying new plants, and then sharing them. 72 00:03:57,879 --> 00:04:02,000 So the garden isn't necessary something where you go, wow, 73 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,919 what unbelievable design or architecture or whatever. You have to 74 00:04:07,039 --> 00:04:11,560 understand the basis, and that is he was a plant collector. 75 00:04:11,319 --> 00:04:14,439 Speaker 2: And such an important plant collector too. So one of 76 00:04:14,479 --> 00:04:17,079 the plants that I think for those of us in 77 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,120 the know who maybe know a little too much about 78 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,800 horticulture for our own good, is that one of the 79 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,800 most important specimens, probably the most important specimen that you 80 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:31,839 will see at Bartram's garden is franklinea alta maha, which 81 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,680 is named after Ben Franklin. It's Bartram himself named it 82 00:04:35,759 --> 00:04:37,920 after Ben Franklin in honor of Ben Franklin. They were 83 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,279 good friends, and franklinea al to maha is a plant 84 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,720 that they found growing on the banks of the Alta 85 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:48,959 Maha River in Georgia. They found it in seventeen seventy three. 86 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,639 They said, hey, this is a pretty cool plant. It's 87 00:04:51,879 --> 00:04:54,279 a big tree, it has white flowers. It's in the 88 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:58,120 Camellia family, the tea family, one of very few plants 89 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,079 native to North America that is in that family. They 90 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,519 collected seed, brought it back to Bartram's garden, sewed it. 91 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,480 That original tree is still in the garden today, despite 92 00:05:08,519 --> 00:05:12,600 the fact that Franklinea, the species has not been recorded 93 00:05:12,639 --> 00:05:16,800 in the wild since eighteen oh three. So unknowingly, John 94 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:21,319 Bartram and his son, who traveled together extensively, actually say 95 00:05:21,519 --> 00:05:24,519 the only reason that we know this plant exists is 96 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,959 because Bartrum and his son collected it and saved it. 97 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,399 And every Franklinia. No, this isn't really a rare plant. 98 00:05:31,439 --> 00:05:34,319 It's somewhat easy to find if you are devoted to 99 00:05:34,399 --> 00:05:38,920 looking for these types of things. Every single Franklinea around 100 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,360 is descended from the tree that Bartram saved. 101 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,879 Speaker 1: Can you imagine these founding fathers sitting around and talking 102 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:47,759 about plants. 103 00:05:48,639 --> 00:05:52,319 Speaker 2: No, it's it's amazing. Yeah, getting a dark tavern and yeah, 104 00:05:52,319 --> 00:05:52,959 sat talk and. 105 00:05:52,959 --> 00:05:58,199 Speaker 1: Plants just unbelievable. I wanted to give a quick editorial comment, 106 00:05:58,399 --> 00:06:01,879 like you said, we're we're tearing up the script here. 107 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,360 The Danish people have a word that I think is 108 00:06:05,399 --> 00:06:09,839 really cool. It's called free heads angst, and free heads 109 00:06:09,959 --> 00:06:15,240 angst essentially means anxiety over being free. 110 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 3: Freedom. 111 00:06:16,439 --> 00:06:18,759 Speaker 1: In other words, if you were to walk into a 112 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,800 garden center and there's plants everywhere, you can get overwhelmed. 113 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,959 And when you get overwhelmed, then paralysis sets in, right, 114 00:06:27,399 --> 00:06:31,879 And so they have that great word. And my feeling 115 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:36,639 is that if you have felt that before, that paralysis 116 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,000 so many plants, I don't know, I'm overwhelmed, go to 117 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,720 a public garden or an arboretum, because what's going to 118 00:06:44,759 --> 00:06:47,759 happen is you're going to fall in love with certain 119 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,079 plants and it's going to. 120 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 3: Stick with you the rest of your life. 121 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,399 Speaker 1: So I remember going to Longwood Gardens and just absolutely 122 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:59,560 falling in love with Verbina benariensis and how it swayed 123 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,759 in the world, and how great it would look with 124 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,680 my ornamental grasses, or going to the Pacific Northwest and 125 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:10,079 falling in love with conifers, Japanese maples, all of that 126 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,240 type of thing. So I tend to refer to these 127 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:18,600 founding fathers as the grounding Fathers. Now, has anybody ever 128 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:23,240 written a book or calling them the grounding fathers, because 129 00:07:23,279 --> 00:07:24,879 I want to coin that phrase. 130 00:07:24,759 --> 00:07:27,079 Speaker 2: Not grounding. Now there is a wonderful book called Founding 131 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:31,000 Gardeners Andrea Wolf. It talks about them all. Yes, fantastic book. 132 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,839 So we are going to move on to Longwood. We're 133 00:07:33,879 --> 00:07:35,800 going to try to move reasonably quick, but for me 134 00:07:35,879 --> 00:07:38,800 that's quite impossible. But we're saying in a geographical region. 135 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:40,560 This is not in order of importance, although I'd say 136 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,720 Bartram's Garden has our oldest botanical garden in North America 137 00:07:43,759 --> 00:07:46,839 is very important. One last thing on Bartram's Garden, the 138 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:51,639 oldest and first ginko in North America is in Bartram's Garden. 139 00:07:51,639 --> 00:07:53,199 You can still see it to this day. It was 140 00:07:53,199 --> 00:07:55,040 planted in seventeen eighty five. 141 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,079 Speaker 1: Ginko trees showing our YouTube viewers here one of my 142 00:07:58,160 --> 00:07:58,879 favorite mug. 143 00:07:58,959 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: Now, I get this one at the which is coming up. 144 00:08:01,639 --> 00:08:03,079 If we get to it this episode, it might not 145 00:08:03,079 --> 00:08:05,439 come in until I might not come until next episode, 146 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,360 but definitely so. Since we're staying in the Philadelphia area, 147 00:08:09,399 --> 00:08:13,639 which really is just a treasure trove of public horticulture 148 00:08:14,319 --> 00:08:15,600 and I think you're going to see that as we 149 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,360 kind of move all over the East Coast and then 150 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,360 down just all of the East Coast. There was just 151 00:08:21,399 --> 00:08:24,120 so much money and so much commitment to horticulture there 152 00:08:24,519 --> 00:08:26,680 that remains to this day. And it's really one of 153 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,600 the things that I miss the most from living out 154 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,160 there is you were just spoiled for choice for public 155 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,799 gardens that you could go to. But Longwood, of course, 156 00:08:34,799 --> 00:08:37,639 everyone thinks of Longwood, they think of the fountains, They 157 00:08:37,639 --> 00:08:39,240 think of this as a new garden, and Longwood has 158 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:44,000 done an incredible job of keeping them themselves, their research, 159 00:08:44,159 --> 00:08:46,440 the gardens that they create relevant and up to date 160 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,480 and contemporary. But it was actually originally founded as a 161 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,080 Quaker arboretum in seventeen ninety eight. 162 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 3: Yes, very much so. 163 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 2: Our Venerable Longwood Gardens goes way way back. And the 164 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,279 famous Pierre DuPont of the DuPont family, which has a 165 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,039 number of public and private gardens still through the East Coast, 166 00:09:04,799 --> 00:09:07,799 transformed it into his private estate in nineteen oh six. 167 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,879 And that's he's the one who put in the fountains. Yeah, 168 00:09:11,879 --> 00:09:13,879 so the same fountains that you see today, which you 169 00:09:13,919 --> 00:09:16,279 think are something that a public garden put on in 170 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,919 this big, grand scale. Was actually just a really rich 171 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,440 guy who said, I want to fancy italianate fountain. 172 00:09:22,639 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: The fountains are great, and they'll run them at night. 173 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:30,639 I really enjoyed that, and I remember, embarrassingly, so I 174 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,080 tried to take a short cut through the garden because 175 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,799 it was late for the fountain show, and I ended 176 00:09:35,879 --> 00:09:38,879 up in one of the fountains he did. Yeah, they 177 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,639 came on and I got wet, and that was embarrassing. 178 00:09:41,759 --> 00:09:42,519 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. 179 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 3: Anyhow, Now, the other. 180 00:09:43,879 --> 00:09:47,639 Speaker 1: Cool thing about Longwood Gardens, it's right near Kennett Square, 181 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,919 in Kennett Square, and Kennett Square is considered the mushroom 182 00:09:53,039 --> 00:09:57,960 capital of the United States. Yes, Adriana, you need Todd 183 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,000 the mushrooms cultivated mushroom, and they have this huge mushroom 184 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,240 festival in I think it's September. 185 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,759 Speaker 2: Yes, that's where all almost every mushroom that you like, 186 00:10:06,799 --> 00:10:09,919 regular brown mushrooms that you're getting in the US, grown 187 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,919 right there at Longwood. Now, of course we could continue, 188 00:10:14,159 --> 00:10:16,000 we're already gonna have to take a little break, so 189 00:10:16,039 --> 00:10:20,440 at this rate it's gonna be a multi part series. 190 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,679 But in any case, we're gonna take a break. We're 191 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,559 gonna catch our breath, and we're gonna continue with this 192 00:10:24,639 --> 00:10:32,720 in just a moment. Beautify your home and community with 193 00:10:32,799 --> 00:10:35,799 Proven Winner's Color Choice Shrubs. With over three hundred and 194 00:10:35,799 --> 00:10:39,320 twenty five unique varieties to choose from. There's a flowering, shrubber, 195 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,519 evergreen for every taste and every space. Just look for 196 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,519 the distinctive white container your local garden center or learn 197 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:51,080 more at Proven Winners color Choice dot com. Greetings gardening friends, 198 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,759 and welcome back to our tour of American gardens and 199 00:10:54,919 --> 00:10:58,279 their stories. If you are traveling this summer, or if 200 00:10:58,279 --> 00:10:59,759 you're not and you want to make plans to, I 201 00:10:59,759 --> 00:11:02,080 hope you will consider these gardens. You know, like you 202 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,639 said Rick, with Bartram's Garden, it's not the kind of 203 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,240 place that you go and go, oh my gosh, it's 204 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,279 just so breathtaking. You kind of have to know the 205 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,759 story and understand the significance of it. And that's what 206 00:11:12,799 --> 00:11:14,799 we're trying to tell is there's lots of these gardens 207 00:11:14,799 --> 00:11:16,240 that you could go to and say, oh my gosh, 208 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,360 this is gorgeous, but it's really about the story and 209 00:11:19,399 --> 00:11:21,519 the people who made them. Because it's next garden, which 210 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,559 is one of my absolute favorite gardens in the world 211 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:29,480 and certainly in the US, is Chanticleer Garden. And Chanticlear 212 00:11:29,519 --> 00:11:31,759 Garden is a private so it's open to the public, 213 00:11:31,799 --> 00:11:35,639 but it's privately owned and it's an old manor house 214 00:11:35,879 --> 00:11:39,759 that was built by Adolph Rosengarden, who was a chemist 215 00:11:39,919 --> 00:11:43,919 and one of the founders of Merk Chemicals, so obviously 216 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,840 had lots of money. And I loved back in these 217 00:11:46,919 --> 00:11:49,679 days in the eighteen hundreds and the early nineteen hundreds 218 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,960 that all of these wealthy people were putting their money 219 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:57,080 into building gardens. And then when they got too old 220 00:11:57,159 --> 00:12:00,399 or they were on their way out, they didn't just say, okay, 221 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,399 well just you know, bulldoze my house and turn it 222 00:12:02,399 --> 00:12:06,519 into a subdivision. They endowed these gardens to remain public 223 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:11,080 and you know, open to people to enjoy for in perpetuity. 224 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 3: It's a great point, Stacey. 225 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: You look at people like Wrigley or the Morton family, right, Yeah, 226 00:12:16,759 --> 00:12:17,279 and that's what. 227 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 2: Happened, Yes, exactly. So that's why there's so many of these, 228 00:12:20,039 --> 00:12:22,919 I think on the East Coast. But Chanticleer is what 229 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,799 makes Chanticleer really special to me and very unique as 230 00:12:26,799 --> 00:12:32,399 an American garden is their tagline is Chanticlear a pleasure garden, 231 00:12:32,919 --> 00:12:35,919 And one might easily say that all gardens are pleasure gardens. 232 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,320 There are certainly pleasant places to be, but what makes 233 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,440 Chanticleer so unique is that unlike a botanical garden, which 234 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,120 is about the collections and having, you know, a representation 235 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,440 of a specific genus or a plant family or something 236 00:12:49,519 --> 00:12:54,720 like that, Chanticleer has incredible collections, but they instead simply 237 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,919 put the focus on enjoying the beauty of their gardens. 238 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,480 So as you're walking through these incredible gardens, there's not 239 00:13:00,639 --> 00:13:05,320 labels everywhere tags blowing in the wind and clanking around. 240 00:13:05,879 --> 00:13:09,000 Each garden area has a little guide to it that 241 00:13:09,039 --> 00:13:11,600 you can look and as we had Lisa Roper, who's 242 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,080 one of the horticulturists at Chanticleer on the show last 243 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:18,600 summer on Our Folly's Show, she was amazing and she 244 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,399 talked about how the gardener for each garden designs their 245 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,279 own box to house these kind of guides that are 246 00:13:24,399 --> 00:13:29,159 very sort of blended in with the scenery. Chanticleer is 247 00:13:29,159 --> 00:13:31,159 a garden that I think really flies under the radar 248 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,279 for people who are in the Philadelphia area because they 249 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,200 think Longwood, and Longwood is absolutely worth a visit, but 250 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,919 for me, I will take Chanta Clear any day. It's 251 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:44,159 truly unique, it's truly special. The people the gardeners are 252 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:48,120 I am in awe of their talent and vision, and 253 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,240 it's definitely one of my top picks for all of 254 00:13:51,279 --> 00:13:54,240 the gardens in the US. But even though there are many, 255 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,039 many more public gardens in Philadelphia, we could continue with 256 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:01,519 We're going to move up to New York City, where 257 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,559 I think a lot of people might be surprised to 258 00:14:03,639 --> 00:14:06,360 find that there are also incredible public gardens. 259 00:14:06,399 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 3: They're great gardens all. 260 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,399 Speaker 2: Around the city, out on Long Island, all through Westchester County, 261 00:14:11,399 --> 00:14:14,360 which is the county just above New York City, and 262 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:18,559 so definitely one of my second favorite, close second to Chanticleer. 263 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,519 Of my favorite gardens in the eastern half of North 264 00:14:21,519 --> 00:14:23,320 America is Wave Hill. You've never been to Wave Hill? 265 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:24,600 Right A Wave have been up. 266 00:14:24,639 --> 00:14:27,759 Speaker 1: I've been to Wave Hill, and if you're into layering 267 00:14:28,039 --> 00:14:32,039 and terracing, I think it's a great garden to visit. 268 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,279 I went to Yankee Stadium and then it's just north 269 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:40,919 of Yankee Stadium in the Bronx to visit. Yeah, I 270 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:41,919 strongly encourage you. 271 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,559 Speaker 2: Yes, So you can't really get to it on the subway. 272 00:14:43,559 --> 00:14:45,879 You can take the train, you can take a cab. 273 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,480 So Wavehill is as as Rick said in Riverdale in 274 00:14:49,519 --> 00:14:52,879 the Bronx. And I will never ever forget the first 275 00:14:52,879 --> 00:14:55,559 time that I went to Wave Hill and we I 276 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,960 was just talking to a friend, just chit chatting, and 277 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:59,519 we walked out of the parking lot and we walked 278 00:14:59,559 --> 00:15:01,440 into the gard and as soon as you get into 279 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,919 the garden, this incredible view of the palisades of the 280 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:09,919 Hudson River opens up and it is simply breathtaking. Now, Wavehill, 281 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,840 the property has been owned by a number of different people, 282 00:15:13,639 --> 00:15:16,000 but really the person who transformed it sort of into 283 00:15:16,039 --> 00:15:19,080 what it is today is Henry Appleton. He bought the 284 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:23,559 property in eighteen sixty six. He was the American publisher 285 00:15:23,559 --> 00:15:28,600 for Charles Darwin's works Wow. He was, yeah, a literary figurehead, 286 00:15:28,639 --> 00:15:31,360 and he hosted a number of literary giants. Mark Twain 287 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,919 is known to have visited the house there. At Wave 288 00:15:35,039 --> 00:15:38,120 Hill it became a public garden under the direction of 289 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,799 George Perkins, who was a vice president at JP Morgan. 290 00:15:42,919 --> 00:15:45,080 So again, really we got these rich guys who are 291 00:15:45,159 --> 00:15:47,279 using their money for horticulture. We could use a lot 292 00:15:47,279 --> 00:15:49,360 more of that these days, if any rich guys are listening. 293 00:15:50,799 --> 00:15:53,600 And so then it opened as a public garden in 294 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,480 nineteen sixty seven, and it's just it is, i'd say, 295 00:15:57,519 --> 00:16:00,200 sort of a hybrid between a botanic garden that's really 296 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:04,080 about the collections and this genus, the genera that they have, 297 00:16:04,679 --> 00:16:07,519 as well as just the visual impact of being there, 298 00:16:07,559 --> 00:16:10,679 and there's so many rare and unique plants and just 299 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,000 it's a lovely place to spend the afternoon. And you 300 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,960 know what I really love about it too, it's digestible. Yes, 301 00:16:16,039 --> 00:16:20,960 Longwood is not totally digestible. It's so massive, uh, you know, 302 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:22,759 sort of by the end of the day, Longwood, you're 303 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:23,960 just like, you know. 304 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: There are many rests, Yeah, many botanic gardens that you 305 00:16:27,159 --> 00:16:32,240 have to go to. Two important elements comfortable shoes and sunscreen. 306 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:33,879 Speaker 2: Yes, right, definitely. 307 00:16:34,039 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: And also I agree with water and water and I 308 00:16:36,879 --> 00:16:40,159 agree with you Stacy that for a number of people 309 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,919 who have not visited, New York is a great place 310 00:16:44,039 --> 00:16:45,240 for botanical gardens. 311 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 3: I mean you mentioned Wave Hill. 312 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,879 Speaker 1: The New York Botanical gardens are in close proximity too. 313 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: Very close, yep. 314 00:16:52,919 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: Or you can go on the island all the way 315 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,519 to the southern tip in Manhattan and the battery. 316 00:16:58,799 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. Beautiful, yes, and historically very important exactly. And of course, 317 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,240 even though it is a park, one of the most 318 00:17:06,279 --> 00:17:09,559 important American landscapes of all Central Park. 319 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:09,799 Speaker 3: Yes. 320 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 2: Now, I am fortunate enough to have spent three years 321 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,359 working in Central Park at Tavern on the Green restaurant, 322 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,839 the former Tavern on the Green restaurant, and it is 323 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:24,000 an extraordinary place. And I think what's really significant about 324 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,799 Central Park is easily lost on people because you go 325 00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:30,039 there now and it's a beautiful, mature landscape with you know, 326 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:35,359 huge trees and everything's established and wonderful. But it really 327 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,960 was so revolutionary at the time because Central Park was 328 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,920 founded in the eighteen seventies and Frederick law Olmsted famously 329 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,640 was commissioned to lay it out. So up until that time, 330 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,480 if someone was commissioned to build a park or a garden, 331 00:17:49,839 --> 00:17:52,240 it was like bring in the heavy machinery such that 332 00:17:52,279 --> 00:17:55,920 it was in the eighteen seventies and level it. You know, 333 00:17:56,079 --> 00:17:58,599 let's get a flat surface and then we're going to 334 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,279 make a garden. Central Park is really one of the 335 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:06,240 very first landscapes in America that they said, Hey, let's 336 00:18:06,279 --> 00:18:08,599 work with what we have here. Let's work with the 337 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,480 low spots, let's work with the rock out croppings and 338 00:18:11,599 --> 00:18:15,119 make a naturalistic landscape. And that seems so obvious to 339 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,200 us now, but at the time it was truly revolutionary. 340 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I know that from personal experience, stacy, because 341 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:22,880 I've done a lot of running in that park. 342 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 2: Oh and it's a great place. Yeah. I mean, it's 343 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:27,359 the other cool thing about Central Park that a lot 344 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,759 of people don't realize. It was also very revolutionary about 345 00:18:29,759 --> 00:18:33,759 its designs. Is Frederick law Olmstad sunk the roadways, so 346 00:18:33,799 --> 00:18:37,119 he knew that carriages and eventually cars would have to 347 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,559 pass through the park. But rather than have roads cutting 348 00:18:40,559 --> 00:18:42,799 through the park and interrupting your ability to run or 349 00:18:42,799 --> 00:18:46,720 walk or enjoy it, the roads actually go underneath the park, 350 00:18:46,799 --> 00:18:50,079 not as tunnels per se. There are some tunnels, so 351 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,759 you never have that disruption of being in the park 352 00:18:52,799 --> 00:18:54,559 or having to cross the street. Well they're actually now 353 00:18:54,599 --> 00:18:56,599 you do sometimes, but they close it on the weekends 354 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,440 at least, so that makes it really special. And it 355 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,279 does have some formal gardens. The Conservatory Garden in Central 356 00:19:02,279 --> 00:19:04,720 Park is way way up in the upper east side 357 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,960 in the one hundreds, so a lot of people don't 358 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,359 go up there, but it is a lovely formal garden. And then, 359 00:19:09,319 --> 00:19:12,359 of course there's a Shakespeare Garden, which I think is 360 00:19:12,599 --> 00:19:15,559 famous to the point of notorious for being the introduction 361 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,799 point of the European starling. 362 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:22,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, so my word, yeah, I'll just leave it. 363 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 2: Yes, I know we could go on about that, but. 364 00:19:24,599 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 3: We're great stories about that. 365 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:31,039 Speaker 2: There are one. Eugene Chieflin introduced sixty birds in eighteen nineties. 366 00:19:31,519 --> 00:19:34,960 Mistake in sixty starlings he introduced. I guess he didn't 367 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:36,359 think he did a good enough job, because the next 368 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,400 year he introduced forty more and from those one hundred starlings, 369 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,759 we now have starlings everywhere. 370 00:19:42,799 --> 00:19:46,559 Speaker 1: So and farmers nationwide thank him exactly. 371 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 2: So so much interesting history there in Central Park that 372 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,720 I think again is very easy to forget when you're 373 00:19:53,759 --> 00:19:58,039 strolling those beautiful lays and pathways, and there's just so 374 00:19:58,319 --> 00:20:00,720 much to see and explore in Central So if you 375 00:20:00,759 --> 00:20:02,599 are going to Central Park, New York City this year, 376 00:20:03,039 --> 00:20:06,480 don't limit yourself to the big, splashy things that everybody 377 00:20:06,559 --> 00:20:08,720 does make sure you spend some time to explore the 378 00:20:08,759 --> 00:20:11,440 whole park now briefly before we take yet another break. 379 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,519 These times are going so fast, like the fastest ten 380 00:20:13,559 --> 00:20:17,519 minutes ever. I want to talk quickly about Utermeyer Gardens 381 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,559 because this is a very interesting sort of American rebirth 382 00:20:21,839 --> 00:20:26,240 success story. So these gardens were started back in the 383 00:20:26,319 --> 00:20:29,480 late eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds by Samuel earned Untermeyer, 384 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:34,480 who was a lawyer. He was actually the first attorney 385 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,680 to win a million dollar case, the first time to 386 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,440 ever have a million dollars involved in a lawsuit. So 387 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,200 he obviously was a very wealthy man. 388 00:20:44,319 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 3: Did he have a billboard? Forget it? Keep going? 389 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:53,079 Speaker 2: So the great thing about him, in addition to being 390 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:57,400 a wonderful, obviously successful lawyer, he was extremely passionate about 391 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:01,400 horticulture and he built a garden for himself and his 392 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:05,359 family beautiful, which was absolutely beautiful, and he was just 393 00:21:05,599 --> 00:21:08,519 complete his goal. His stated goal when he started building 394 00:21:08,559 --> 00:21:11,519 the garden was that it would be the finest in America, 395 00:21:11,559 --> 00:21:14,720 and it probably was and over time. This is in Yonkers, 396 00:21:14,759 --> 00:21:16,680 New York, so just kind of north of Wave Hill. 397 00:21:17,599 --> 00:21:19,599 You probably need a car if you're coming from the city. 398 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,039 But you can probably take an uber. It fell into 399 00:21:23,039 --> 00:21:25,599 complete disrepair. I mean, the whole park despite all of 400 00:21:25,599 --> 00:21:30,960 these amazing structures, and everything that remained got overgrown, got 401 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:35,200 covered in graffiti, and it could have been left to 402 00:21:35,759 --> 00:21:37,880 rod and to really be plowed under and developed into 403 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,720 something else. But some really visionary horticulturists got together. They 404 00:21:41,759 --> 00:21:46,759 have restored it according to Unjamayer's original vision, preserving a 405 00:21:46,759 --> 00:21:48,680 lot of what has happened on the way. And it 406 00:21:48,759 --> 00:21:53,920 is just a really interesting story of again rebirth and 407 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,799 success after a period of hardship. And you know that's 408 00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:59,160 a pretty American concept. 409 00:21:59,319 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: And the beauty of this, Stacey is that many of 410 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,160 these are in close proximity to each other. Yes, like 411 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:10,039 I mentioned Yankee Stadium, then going to Wave Hill, this Garden, 412 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:11,359 New York Botanic Garden. 413 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:12,799 Speaker 3: So now you can get your film. 414 00:22:12,839 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 2: You can make quite a day of it. Yeah, exactly, 415 00:22:14,839 --> 00:22:16,319 all right, we're gonna take a little break when we 416 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,160 come back. We've got a whole lot more about American 417 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:27,960 gardens to stayteen at proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs. 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I haven't been to yet, but you know, 429 00:23:04,759 --> 00:23:07,319 I think you and I always prioritize visiting gardens when we. 430 00:23:07,279 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: Travel, absolutely and when you're on the East Coast. Unbelievable 431 00:23:11,759 --> 00:23:14,160 the gardens that are available. And as I mentioned in 432 00:23:14,279 --> 00:23:18,000 segment one, my grounding fathers just have this image in 433 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,319 my mind of you know, Thomas Jefferson and how much 434 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:26,640 he loved gardening, George Washington at Mount Vernon, and you 435 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,119 have James Monroe many people say he was the first 436 00:23:30,279 --> 00:23:36,759 environmentalist in our country. And then John Adams, kind of cranky, 437 00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:40,880 short guy, and I picture him working out in the garden, 438 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,079 taking it out on his garden. You know, did he 439 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:48,480 have a Oh yeah, John Adams loved gardening and he yeah. 440 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,400 I think he took out some of his frustrations on 441 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:51,920 his garden. 442 00:23:52,319 --> 00:23:53,559 Speaker 3: That's my opinion. 443 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,559 Speaker 2: It's interesting that I think, you know, we talk about 444 00:23:55,599 --> 00:23:59,559 Bartram's Garden, how Bartram's Garden, being the first botanical garden 445 00:23:59,599 --> 00:24:02,279 in the US, has managed to exist all this time. 446 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,599 There was a lot of these gardens, of course, Monticello 447 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,920 and mont Vernon and all of those biggest states. They've 448 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,240 stuck around because they were massive, and of course those 449 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,640 are massive men with you know, massive legends with them. 450 00:24:13,599 --> 00:24:14,960 But a lot of this, you know, I don't I 451 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,480 don't know that John Adams of Garden is still available 452 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,440 to visit that it were. It's just my mind. So 453 00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:24,480 if you go to Boston, of course, I think the cemeteries, 454 00:24:24,599 --> 00:24:27,559 the Boston Common so many wonderful things to see. 455 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 3: In Boston cees. 456 00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 2: I love the cemeteries in Boston. 457 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 3: Love it. 458 00:24:32,039 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 2: Not as full of plants as like some of the 459 00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:38,559 garden cemeteries like of course Greenwood in Brooklyn and all 460 00:24:38,599 --> 00:24:41,119 of the other wonderful garden cemeteries which you'll find throughout 461 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,839 the East coast. But our centerpiece in the Boston area 462 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,440 is the one, the only Arnold Arboretum. Yes, and I 463 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,279 think a lot of people don't know that the Arnold 464 00:24:51,319 --> 00:24:54,599 Arboretum is the Arnold Arboretum of Harvard University. I think 465 00:24:54,599 --> 00:24:57,440 a lot of people don't realize that it is Harvard's 466 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:02,880 actual arboretum associated with the university. So some very fine 467 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,240 pedigree there. Established eighteen seventy two, So of course Harvard 468 00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:11,680 was established far before that. But one of the reasons 469 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,480 that it was established was because Frederick law Olmsted. So 470 00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:18,319 going back to Central Park, and Frederick Law Olmsted just 471 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,279 had this massive, massive impact on American gardens. And this 472 00:25:22,319 --> 00:25:25,359 is not even the second or the last of the 473 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,720 Frederick Law Olmsted gardens you're going to be hearing about 474 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,480 in this series of North American gardens. This guy, once 475 00:25:30,519 --> 00:25:33,839 he made his fortune on Central Park, everybody wanted a 476 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,759 piece of Frederick Law Olmsteed, and so he designed what 477 00:25:36,839 --> 00:25:41,680 is known as the Emerald Necklace network of parks around Boston. 478 00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:44,240 So the idea was that you could kind of go 479 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,240 all around Boston without leaving parks. So that's the Emerald 480 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,000 Necklace that it was this kind of arc of base 481 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:55,440 Jamaica plane, yes, Jamaica plane, technically not Boston. And so 482 00:25:55,519 --> 00:25:57,640 he laid it out. And when I was looking at 483 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,680 the Arnold Arboretam website putting together my notes for this, 484 00:26:02,599 --> 00:26:05,359 they say at the bottom of their website their quote, 485 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,680 we are committed to the old, steady and principle that 486 00:26:08,839 --> 00:26:13,440 everyone is entitled to open space. And I think that's 487 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,599 just so powerful that there was this time, you know, 488 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,680 and certainly in Europe and here in the early days, 489 00:26:20,319 --> 00:26:24,200 where this notion of having an open space, a green 490 00:26:24,279 --> 00:26:27,160 space that you could go to was really for the elite, 491 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,480 if you had the money to have enough space to 492 00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:32,440 do that. And so what Olmstead did with Central Park 493 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:33,920 and with the Emerald Necklace and a lot of the 494 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,880 other gardens that we're talking about was democratize the outdoors 495 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,680 and create a place where you could just go just 496 00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:43,880 to be. And that's again, that's such a familiar concept 497 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,160 to us now, but at the time it was really revolutionary. 498 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, and when you go now, I'll repeat it again 499 00:26:51,079 --> 00:26:54,640 because I'm glad that I did comfortable shoes because just 500 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,640 like Central Park, you're going to be walking, but you're 501 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,079 going to want to walk because the number of incredible 502 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,880 trees that are there, and many of them have like 503 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,519 a copper type tag affixed to them with a lot 504 00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:11,960 of great information on it. Stacey at Arnold Arboretum the 505 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:17,319 Meta squoias. But the tree that really caught my eye 506 00:27:17,319 --> 00:27:20,240 and I think they have the oldest ones in the 507 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,400 US there paper bark maple. 508 00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:25,839 Speaker 3: Oh, yes, they're huge, unbelievable. 509 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 2: I love darn It is truly an extraordinary place, and 510 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,079 so they have on the website. We'll put a link 511 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,079 on the YouTube version here, the Explorer's Garden Tour. You 512 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,200 can kind of do a really cool virtual tour at 513 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,119 that link. It tells you how to read the what's 514 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,200 known as the accession labels, which is the copper labels 515 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,759 Rick was just talking about. And what's so cool about 516 00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:48,039 that is you can look at the year that things 517 00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:51,759 were planted and really start to understand, you know, how 518 00:27:51,799 --> 00:27:54,799 old and venerable some of these specimens are. As you said, Rick, 519 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,119 it is the place where Meta Sequoia, also known as 520 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,960 don redwood, when it was finally read discovered in China 521 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,279 in the nineteen forties. The Arnold Arboretum was the first 522 00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:08,279 place to get that and was really instrumental in, you know, 523 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,160 disseminating this beautiful deciduous conifer that was only known through 524 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,839 the fossil records until the nineteen forties and is now 525 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,759 like a relatively common garden plant. They're massive, They're beautiful 526 00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:20,200 tea and. 527 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,799 Speaker 1: The bald cypress massive. The gang CooA trees. Wow, I 528 00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:26,400 don't know, just gives me goosebumps. 529 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 3: I loved it. 530 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 2: You were talking about good shoes for the Arnold Arboretam. 531 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,079 I will give you another good reason why you need 532 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,519 good shoes. I was there on a photo shoot in 533 00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:37,759 my previous job in the spring, okay, and I have 534 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,799 never seen so many snakes in my entire life. Yeah, 535 00:28:42,519 --> 00:28:46,960 there were low pond, so many snakes. So if you're 536 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,000 going off the path and bushwacking at the Arnold Arboretum, 537 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,680 you have been forewarned. So speaking of arboreta, because arboreta 538 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,839 is the plural of arboretum. Arboretum is just one the 539 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,599 National Arboretum. Yes, I've never been. 540 00:28:58,680 --> 00:28:59,319 Speaker 1: Have you been there? 541 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,039 Speaker 2: Okay? What's what's cool? 542 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,359 Speaker 1: I think what's really cool are the columns there that 543 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,799 they removed from the capital. They they put the dome 544 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,599 on the Capitol and discovered architecturally that the dome was 545 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:16,039 too large, and so they had to remove them. I 546 00:29:16,039 --> 00:29:18,240 don't know when that was, in the nineteen fifties. 547 00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was relatively I mean relatively relatively way back 548 00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:22,640 in the day. 549 00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:26,119 Speaker 1: And they took the columns from the old Capital and 550 00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:28,400 put them there in the Arboretum. 551 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,599 Speaker 2: And that is kind of the iconic shot, Like if 552 00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:31,240 you google the National ear if you search for the 553 00:29:31,319 --> 00:29:33,400 National Arboretum, that is the shot that you're going to 554 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,960 see is is the old columns. Well, it was founded 555 00:29:36,039 --> 00:29:40,279 in nineteen twenty seven. It was the first museum in 556 00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:43,599 the world dedicated to Bone sie That blew me. 557 00:29:43,599 --> 00:29:44,799 Speaker 3: Away when I went there. 558 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: The Bones Eye collection unreal. 559 00:29:47,079 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you wouldn't really think that the US 560 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,359 National Arboretum would be devoted to a Japanese art, but 561 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,559 it is. So if you are a fan of bone Sye, 562 00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:57,359 that is reason enough to go to the National Arboretum 563 00:29:57,359 --> 00:30:00,759 and see their incredible collection. But the National Arboretum, you know, 564 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,720 a lot of times when we're talking about these things, 565 00:30:03,079 --> 00:30:05,880 it's kind of easy maybe to fall into the belief 566 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,960 that these places aren't necessarily relevant to your life as 567 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,720 a gardener. Now but the US National Arboretum has introduced 568 00:30:13,079 --> 00:30:17,559 a number of important plants that have become standards in 569 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,480 the garden. Nico Dutsia munchkin and ruby slippers oak leaf 570 00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:24,640 Hydrangea definitely two standards. This one's just for you, Urick 571 00:30:24,759 --> 00:30:26,200 morning light miss Canthus. 572 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,759 Speaker 3: There you go, ding dinging green. 573 00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 2: Giant arborvidy certainly one of the most ubiquitous plants. And 574 00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:37,319 speaking of ubiquity, National Arboretum did introduce Bradford pair, but 575 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,079 we will try not to hold that against them. 576 00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:44,759 Speaker 1: Wow, Now when they collect it's amazing. When they collect 577 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,279 seeds and like cuttings off plants and that type of thing, 578 00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:51,640 they call that an herbarium, right, is that what erbarium is? 579 00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 2: Yes, So for dried. 580 00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: Dried specimens, I guess they've gotten amazing. 581 00:30:56,319 --> 00:30:58,359 Speaker 2: Yes, And you know an urbarium is. We don't talk 582 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,400 a lot about herbaria. We probably should have. We should 583 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,960 have a herbarium show or at least have a guest 584 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,319 from a herbarium curator, because they are super important and 585 00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:10,480 understanding how plants have changed, you know, due to climate 586 00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:15,680 and other factors. So, while we're still in Washington, d C. 587 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,920 I did want to mention a private garden that is 588 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,759 open to the public, and that is Dumbarton Oaks. You've 589 00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:24,640 never been that. I've never been there either. I have 590 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,720 spent very little time in the DC area, but it 591 00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:32,559 seems very interesting. So this is a garden of Mildred 592 00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:35,920 and Robert woods Bliss. So he was a diplomat, traveled 593 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,200 all over the world, and when it came time for 594 00:31:38,279 --> 00:31:39,880 him to make his home, of course, he settled in 595 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,880 DC in the Georgetown area. But what makes Dumbarton Oaks 596 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,000 so important is it is designed by Beatrix Farrand, who 597 00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:52,559 was the first female landscape architect in North America. And 598 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,000 by giving Beatrix Rand the chance designed this garden, and 599 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,559 it is a beautiful, iconic garden. If you look at 600 00:31:58,599 --> 00:32:01,720 pictures of it, you will definitely recognize it from various 601 00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:04,200 photos and things that you've seen over the year. Her 602 00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:08,319 Wisteria Terrace is probably the most famous area of the garden. 603 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,400 But by giving this opportunity to be a Trix for 604 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,480 Rand to design this garden and invite people over and 605 00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:18,039 help her name to get out there in Washington, d C. Society, 606 00:32:19,319 --> 00:32:24,839 she actually committed to only hiring female landscape architects herself 607 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,640 because those same female aspiring landscape architects could not get 608 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:34,039 work in male owned landscape architecture first. So she really 609 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,519 established this opportunity for women to enter the field of 610 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:43,279 landscape architecture and landscape designed. And she designed a number 611 00:32:43,319 --> 00:32:47,200 of beautiful gardens throughout the US the East Coast, especially 612 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,920 over in Boston in that area. But Dunbarton Oaks is 613 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,359 by far her most famous garden. And if you are 614 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,799 able to visit when the mysteria's in bloom and you 615 00:32:55,839 --> 00:32:58,519 can see her gorgeous wisteria terrace at peak, while you 616 00:32:58,559 --> 00:32:59,920 would consider yourself lucky. 617 00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: Indeed, can I put a foot note on this segment 618 00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:05,839 of course, Arnold derba Ridam. If you go there, just 619 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,319 up the road, there's a cemetery. I think it's called 620 00:33:08,359 --> 00:33:11,200 Forest Hills. Yeah, take a walk through there too. 621 00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 2: Oh you never have to twist my armc cempuary. Wow, 622 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,559 so much to see. We're gonna take a little break 623 00:33:17,559 --> 00:33:19,240 when we come back. We're gonna have to wind up 624 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:20,880 this episode, but I think we're gunning in for a 625 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,640 part three of American Gardens. We'll see where we end up. 626 00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:32,599 Thanks for listening to the Gardening Simplified podcast brought to 627 00:33:32,599 --> 00:33:35,599 you by Proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs. Our award winning 628 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,720 flowering shrubs and evergreens are trialed and tested by experts 629 00:33:38,759 --> 00:33:41,640 with your success in mind. Learn more at Proven Winners 630 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,720 color Choice dot Com. 631 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,039 Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. 632 00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: And this is obviously a topic that we could talk 633 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:50,720 about before days. 634 00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:53,039 Speaker 2: Yes, many many episodes. 635 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 3: How about Monticello. 636 00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:00,359 Speaker 1: I loved my time at Monticello and Stacy the thing 637 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,119 that I walked away with. First of all, again going 638 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,759 back to comments I've made during this program, the founding fathers, 639 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,760 or as I call them, the grounding Fathers, they were 640 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:17,559 really interested in developing in agrarian type society, people who 641 00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:21,679 had their hands in the dirt, people who were interested 642 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,400 in plants, and of course Thomas Jefferson had a huge 643 00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:28,280 fascination with plants. I've mentioned oftentimes on the show, the 644 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:33,239 hyacinth bean. Thomas Jefferson loved the hyacinth bean. That's where 645 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,840 I developed my interest in it. And in the time 646 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:40,559 that I spent at Monticello Garden, it really caused me 647 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:46,559 to fall in love again with a vegetable garden and 648 00:34:46,599 --> 00:34:51,199 that terraced garden at Monticello and how they lay that 649 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,639 thing out, and how it has a little folly right 650 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,679 in the center of it where you know, a viewing point, 651 00:34:57,679 --> 00:35:00,599 and I can picture Jefferson's stand there. 652 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 3: Boy. That really did it for me. 653 00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:06,159 Speaker 1: And then if you think about the fact that Jefferson's 654 00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:08,920 the one who many people thought it was foolish at 655 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:14,280 the time made the Louisiana purchase more land, more land 656 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,400 for plants, more land to garden. Amazing And for our 657 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,920 YouTube viewers, one of my favorite coffee mugs is this 658 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,599 one right here Thomas Jefferson. It says devoted to the garden. 659 00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:29,840 It was inspiration on me. 660 00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:32,599 Speaker 2: Now I have never been, I would truly love to go, 661 00:35:33,159 --> 00:35:38,320 because the vegetable garden at Monticello does seem like my 662 00:35:38,559 --> 00:35:42,840 dream vegetable garden. Yeah, one thousand feet long and divided 663 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,440 into twenty four sections, grouped by which part of the 664 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,360 plant you harvest, which makes perfect sense if you have 665 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,480 the luxury of that space, because that way, if you 666 00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:55,159 need to dig your garlic and your potatoes and so forth, 667 00:35:55,199 --> 00:35:58,880 then you're not you know, disrupting your nearby beans and tomatoes, 668 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,639 which if you have a little time, I any vegetable 669 00:36:00,679 --> 00:36:03,800 gardens you can't divide into twenty four sections can sometimes 670 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,840 be a problem. So it really I think shows you know, 671 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,559 the vision that he had for you know, once he 672 00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:13,000 had an opportunity to lay this out. And Jefferson inherited 673 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,679 the land from Monticello in seventeen fifty seven. He moved 674 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:21,159 in in seventeen seventy. The first documentation of ornamental planning 675 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,679 was eighteen oh seven. His vegetable garden was begun in 676 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,239 seventeen seventy, so his vegetable garden is older than the 677 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:28,239 country itself. 678 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 1: And as it relates to the vegetable garden, it's interesting 679 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:37,079 that Jefferson and his neighbors there had an annual competition 680 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,639 in spring who could bring the first. 681 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 3: Pee to the table. 682 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:41,679 Speaker 2: Oh I love that. 683 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,599 Speaker 1: It was a big competition. Fascinating stuff. 684 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,559 Speaker 2: And you know, not surprisingly, you know, when we talk 685 00:36:48,599 --> 00:36:52,519 about gardens going back this far in American history, they 686 00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:55,519 were still really heavily influenced by Europe. And I think, 687 00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:57,480 you know, if you look at a picture of Jefferson's 688 00:36:57,559 --> 00:37:01,280 vegetable garden and you look at, for example, the famous 689 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,679 vegetable garden at Viandre in France, you'll see a lot 690 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,880 of those familiarities. You'll see a lot of similarities between 691 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,480 them where there's that that formality, and you know, of 692 00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:16,400 course they had to take those ideas and apply them 693 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,960 here before we really could start to kind of develop 694 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,360 our own unique American perspective on gardening because we were 695 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:28,079 really had those roots still in Europe. He developed a 696 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,960 elaborate water cistern system. Do you see that at the 697 00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:33,199 too where I want to sell. 698 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 1: That? 699 00:37:35,039 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was constructed in eighteen oh eight. So 700 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,719 I say here, even Thomas Jefferson struggled with watering, So 701 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,000 I know that's something that Rick and I can certainly 702 00:37:42,159 --> 00:37:49,239 relate to. And speaking of American history, in Monticello, the gardens, 703 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,440 the grounds there contained plants that were sent to him 704 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,199 by his European friends and seeds that were brought back 705 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,079 by Lewis and Clark. 706 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 1: A visionary and a character and Lewis and Clark exactly. 707 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, So just you know, it's just really amazing to 708 00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:07,280 kind of see and understand how all of these different 709 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,400 things fit together. I'm going to be watching Ken Burns's 710 00:38:11,559 --> 00:38:14,000 American Revolution. I hear it's free to stream on PBS, 711 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,440 and I am excited to watch that. 712 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 3: I've watched the whole thing. Love it. 713 00:38:18,199 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 2: How long is it? 714 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,679 Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know. I just keep going back episode 715 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,519 after episode. I love that. 716 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 2: I'm very eager to watch that and to learn more 717 00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:30,280 about all of this. Now, since we are over here 718 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,800 in the central Southeast Coast, I thought we ought to 719 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,679 move to Colonial Williamsburg. Yeah, so not a garden per se, 720 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,199 but Colonial Williamsburg is It's a fascinat Have you been 721 00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:43,920 to Colonial. 722 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:44,559 Speaker 3: I have not. 723 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,519 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, right, I know, I gotta go. I like, 724 00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:51,519 I totally expect like the guy to sit here and 725 00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:55,039 talk to us about Colonial Williamsburg. So Colonial Williamsburg is 726 00:38:55,039 --> 00:38:58,159 a fascinating place. And you know, I think a lot 727 00:38:58,199 --> 00:39:00,880 of people, if you're from Michigan we are here, you 728 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,199 might think of it as like a Greenfield Village type 729 00:39:03,199 --> 00:39:04,960 of thing, like we have the Henry Ford Museum in 730 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,119 Greenfield Village over in the Detroit area. But it's really 731 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,559 it's quite different because, of course Greenfield Village has historic 732 00:39:12,599 --> 00:39:15,199 homes and businesses from all over the country, and Colonial 733 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:21,079 Williamsburg is the original colonial settlement. The Rockefeller family actually 734 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,840 purchased it slowly from the people who were living it 735 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,679 and slowly transformed it back to what it was and 736 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:32,000 funded all sorts of archaeological studies to kind of bring 737 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,400 it back. Some houses were still standing, they just had to, 738 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,400 you know, take off all the updating that had been done, 739 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:42,119 but the brick homes were still beneath there. But as 740 00:39:42,119 --> 00:39:46,119 far as gardens go, you will see I think Colonial 741 00:39:46,119 --> 00:39:48,960 Williamsburg is a really interesting look and they take their 742 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,760 gardening very seriously there. They have a whole horticulture team 743 00:39:53,039 --> 00:39:55,320 that isn't simply maintaining the grounds and making sure the 744 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,079 grass is mode when you you know, walk over the 745 00:39:57,159 --> 00:39:59,840 parade grounds and so forth. They're really working on res 746 00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:04,599 storing and telling the story of what gardens were to 747 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,719 the early colonists in the US. So there is the 748 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,960 old Palace and that has a very formal garden full 749 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,679 of boxwood. Now they did have to contend with boxwood blight, 750 00:40:14,159 --> 00:40:17,000 boxwood and Colonial Williamsburg. They are like this, you can't 751 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,840 have one without the other. So they have been really 752 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,239 freaking out about boxwood Blite, which is across the southeast, 753 00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:29,760 but beautiful, very spare but luxurious gardens around the palaces 754 00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:32,920 mostly of boxwood. These parterres these hedges that you kind 755 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,679 of just walk by and are surrounded by boxwood. Now 756 00:40:35,679 --> 00:40:37,519 when you want to get into the flowers and all 757 00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:40,239 the cool stuff, that's when you're going to the individual 758 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,159 homes and shops around Colonial Williamsburg. And what you're seeing 759 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,159 is that this notion of a garden was very utilitarian. 760 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,679 It was vegetables, it was medicine, it was dye plants. 761 00:40:52,679 --> 00:40:55,840 And they can still be very beautiful gardens. And it's 762 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,960 not to say they didn't have their own little follies 763 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,039 of you know, growing something that was just fun and beautiful. 764 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,000 But these yard gardens around the houses, and I've talked 765 00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:05,920 about this a little bit here and there. One of 766 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,079 the things that I found most fascinating that you'll see 767 00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:12,840 in practice at Colonial Williamsburg is using vitex or chaste tree, 768 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,800 and they used to prune them, polard them so that 769 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,280 they would put out long, straight stocks, woody stocks, and 770 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,960 that was how they may grew their own garden sticks. 771 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 3: I love that because I love vitek. 772 00:41:24,559 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 2: I know, so you should try this and have your 773 00:41:26,519 --> 00:41:28,800 own garden stakes. You'll see this when you go there. Okay, 774 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,519 and interpreters at Colonial Williamsburg in those areas are passionate 775 00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:35,119 gardeners themselves, so they're not just some guy in a 776 00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:38,599 costume playing the part. They will tell you they love 777 00:41:38,639 --> 00:41:40,559 to share their knowledge and tell you all about the 778 00:41:40,559 --> 00:41:43,480 gardening back then. So if you love history and you 779 00:41:43,519 --> 00:41:47,599 love gardening, it is a wonderful place to be. Now 780 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,599 we have one last garden for this episode. I think 781 00:41:51,679 --> 00:41:53,239 again we are gonna have to probably go to three 782 00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:55,119 because we don't want to give short shrift and I 783 00:41:55,159 --> 00:41:58,519 know we already are probably forgetting amazing gardens. Please do 784 00:41:58,639 --> 00:42:00,599 leave those on our YouTube channel. If you're listening to 785 00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:03,760 this on podcast or radio, can I please just encourage 786 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,000 you to check out the YouTube version because Adriana is 787 00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:08,800 going to be putting all sorts of pictures and b 788 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,719 roll so it's really going to help bring these stories 789 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,800 to life and get you excited about incorporating these amazing 790 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,679 places in your travel plans. So one last one over 791 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,559 here on the East Coast before we move on to 792 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,079 Florida in the next episode. That's how we'll kick off 793 00:42:26,119 --> 00:42:31,880 episode two. Middleton Place Gardens in Charlestown and now it 794 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:36,880 was founded in seventeen seventeen, which is Prickty arn Old 795 00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:41,599 and It is known as America's oldest landscape garden. Now, 796 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,320 when people talk about a landscape garden, what they basically 797 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,360 mean is that kind of going back to what we 798 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,400 were saying about Frederick lah Olmsted, they had people come 799 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,719 in and just completely reshape the earth and it's these 800 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:58,079 series of terraces and waterways that they use. They did 801 00:42:58,119 --> 00:43:01,639 this elaborate engineering to take the bayous and rivers of 802 00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:06,519 South Carolina and incorporate them into water features around this 803 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:11,400 amazing old manor house from seventeen seventeen. Very formal. You know, 804 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,360 a lot of these early gardens, they weren't about flowers. 805 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,239 You know, nowadays when people think about a garden, they're 806 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,079 thinking flowers, right, color and flowers. These were really about 807 00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:27,800 structure and kind of that old belief of dominating over 808 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,119 the land and really putting your mark on it. And 809 00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:33,280 of course they were grand houses, so they couldn't have 810 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,639 these you know, itsy bitsy flower gardens. They needed these 811 00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:37,039 grand alleys. 812 00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:39,280 Speaker 3: And grand houses and grand oaks. 813 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,199 Speaker 2: Yes, oh yes, And so Middleton Place is one of those, 814 00:43:43,639 --> 00:43:46,000 as one of the earliest landscape gardens in the country, 815 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,559 one of those ones to truly make use of our 816 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:55,239 incredible live oaks Quercus Virginiana. Just an iconic feature of 817 00:43:55,400 --> 00:44:01,639 the American South and truly exceptional, extraordinary plants. If you've 818 00:44:01,679 --> 00:44:03,880 ever been to the South, you just can't not appreciate them. 819 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,840 They actually even have really gorgeous live oaks in Colonial Williamsburg. 820 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,199 It's one of the more northern areas where quirkers Virginiana, 821 00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,280 so it makes sense sense it's in Virginiana, can it 822 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:19,559 be found? So that was our little East coast look 823 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:27,320 at there is of North American American guard we are. 824 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,400 So we're going to go Part two next week for 825 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,239 fourth of July. We will kick it off in Miami, 826 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,960 Florida with Fairchild Botanic Garden. You are not going to 827 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,840 want to miss because I have so much to say 828 00:44:38,639 --> 00:44:43,199 about this place. So thank you, Rick, thank you, thanks Adriana, 829 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,000 and thanks to all of you for listening and watching. 830 00:44:46,119 --> 00:44:47,800 We will see you next week for Part two.