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Speaker 6: My name is Jonathan, I'm Sean, and today is going
Speaker 6: to be so much fun for an episode. This is
Speaker 6: it's it's borderline conspiratorial. I gotta say, because whenever I
Speaker 6: stumbled across it, I was like, wait a second, that
Speaker 6: that's kind of weird, you know. So we're gonna be
Speaker 6: getting into the etymology of a Damon Damon Daimon. Some
Speaker 6: people say it very different. We just looked it up
Speaker 6: how to say it. I've seen it spelled so many times.
Speaker 6: I've read about it so many times, but I never
Speaker 6: heard it said. So some people say damon. I think
Speaker 6: that's what we're gonna go with.
Speaker 5: Yeah, dude, and I'm really excited for this episode, you know,
Speaker 5: just with all of the things that we cover, man,
Speaker 5: and you know, the the demons or the daemons being
Speaker 5: one of those entities that's kind of I mean, it's
Speaker 5: very popular, you know, in in culture to to bring
Speaker 5: that up, and personally I feel like it's to bring upon,
Speaker 5: bring upon fear. But you know what, let's just see
Speaker 5: what it's all about, dude.
Speaker 6: All right, So, first of all, welcome in the one.
Speaker 6: Thank you so much for joining us tonight. Uh, very
Speaker 6: excited to see all of you. And uh, it's always
Speaker 6: fun doing the Wonder Wizday shows because it's like it's
Speaker 6: extra energy going on here and it.
Speaker 5: Just I can feel it every time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel it. I feel it in my wretches.
Speaker 5: I'm just kidding.
Speaker 4: So White Boy Wizards said, what up?
Speaker 5: Fan?
Speaker 2: What to do?
Speaker 4: White Boy Wizard? No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 6: Nol Rus said, what's up? Fucker's excited for the topic
Speaker 6: topic today. I hope everyone had a great week so far.
Speaker 6: H Taylor said, what's up? Weirdos? Indeed, you know, it's
Speaker 6: like a badge of honor to become a weirdo. Now, absolutely, dude,
Speaker 6: you can't be normal in a crazy world, you know.
Speaker 6: No you can't. No, you can't. So uh yeah, let's
Speaker 6: get into it. And and we're not we're not talking
Speaker 6: about demons. Okay, even though, that's what history would like
Speaker 6: to tell you.
Speaker 4: That's what this word means. So damon it damon or damon?
Speaker 5: Hmmm you know how.
Speaker 6: That damon it's basically demon with an A. All right,
Speaker 6: So damon the forgotten guardian of your soul? Is it
Speaker 6: your higher self?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 6: Okay baby, yeah yeah, it's gonna be a naughty episode,
Speaker 6: all right. So, uh, exploring the divine spirit within from
Speaker 6: ancient Greece to modern mysticism. So when and this is
Speaker 6: We're just gonna get this question out in the open
Speaker 6: to get its get the ball rolling, because I feel
Speaker 6: like so many people have been conditioned to look at
Speaker 6: Damon and demon as the same exact thing. Now, demon
Speaker 6: does have its etymological roots all the way back to Damon,
Speaker 6: so that is where it started, and you're gonna be
Speaker 6: able to see the process of how it eventually converted.
Speaker 6: And it'll make a lot of sense, especially if you're
Speaker 6: pretty well versed in like biblical history and stuff like
Speaker 6: if you look back to Emperor Constantine and Council of
Speaker 6: Nicea and all that craziness that was going on back
Speaker 6: in those times. This is going to tickle your religious
Speaker 6: and spiritual pickle today baby. So when was damon turned
Speaker 6: into demon? So the transition from daemon or which literally
Speaker 6: translated back then to divine guide or to demon, which
Speaker 6: is known as an evil spirit, was not a single event,
Speaker 6: but a gradual shift that took place between the first
Speaker 6: and fifth centuries as Christianity expanded through the Greco Roman world.
Speaker 6: So here's the timeline and the key players. So first off,
Speaker 6: you got in the first century first century BC, you
Speaker 6: have damon's or daemon's still are respected as as they're
Speaker 6: known by, not necessarily dark and demonic and you know,
Speaker 6: evil minions of Satan or anything just yet and and
Speaker 6: so this was in Greek and in Roman thoughts. So
Speaker 6: these were the people that were specifically bringing up the
Speaker 6: word damon. Okay, So in Greek culture, especially in Plato,
Speaker 6: Hesiod and the Stoics, damon's were neutral or benevolent spirits,
Speaker 6: divine intermediaries, often equated with one's higher self or genius.
Speaker 6: Also where the term genie comes from, by the way. Okay,
Speaker 6: that's a topic for another day. But uh so, yeah,
Speaker 6: even in Roman culture under figures like Cicero and Seneca,
Speaker 6: the Latin demonium still carried mostly positive or neutral connotations, So.
Speaker 5: It's not necessarily good or bad, just kind of you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, just that intermediary or whatever in
Speaker 5: between you and your higher self or what.
Speaker 6: Do you Well, essentially it's kind of like the it's
Speaker 6: like your noose in sex.
Speaker 4: So it's like.
Speaker 6: Your what you're contemplating, your rainbow, bridge to God, to
Speaker 6: the universe, to the source, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 6: It's your connection. Yeah, okay, so uh uh. So, first
Speaker 6: you got Cicero in the first century BC. His quote
Speaker 6: was no man was ever great without a touch of
Speaker 6: divine inspiration his own deminium. So dominium and damon, same
Speaker 6: same word, just different people saying it. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: so he believed, you know, you're not going to get
Speaker 6: anywhere fast if you don't have you know, if you're
Speaker 6: not connected to your damon, and that's what he was
Speaker 6: talking about, like it was literally your connection to the all,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. And so that's that was
Speaker 6: that was Latin Cicero there. So then you move forward
Speaker 6: to the first and second century CE, which is the
Speaker 6: rise of Christianity and the birth of demonization. So as
Speaker 6: early Christians began writing theological texts and preaching in the
Speaker 6: Roman Empire, they rejected Pagan's spirituality, as everybody knows, even
Speaker 6: though they brought in a lot of pagan kind of
Speaker 6: you know, uh ideas yep, yep, yep, especially anything invoking
Speaker 6: gods or spirits outside of the Christian God. So they
Speaker 6: rejected them, rejected the pagan ideology and spirituality almost wholeheartedly.
Speaker 6: Whenever it came to you know, the upper echelons. You know,
Speaker 6: we might still keep your little traditions, and we'll still
Speaker 6: say the same words, and hey, we might even you know,
Speaker 6: celebrate Christmas on fucking you know, the winter solstice, you
Speaker 6: know what I mean. But for the most part, yeah,
Speaker 6: they they tried to get rid of anything that was
Speaker 6: godlike equal to or higher.
Speaker 5: Right, okay, so anything like a like a So they're
Speaker 5: trying to eliminate any kind of false idols, things of
Speaker 5: that like, things of.
Speaker 6: That nature, false idols, Yeah right, okay, I'll say that
Speaker 6: with quotations, and they make it out to be such
Speaker 6: a silly thing. That's not what the Pagans were about, though, bro, Like,
Speaker 6: if the deeper you look into like what actual paganism
Speaker 6: was all about, Yeah, you had your shitheads, as you
Speaker 6: would in every you know, spiritual group, religious group or whatever.
Speaker 6: But for the most part, all a pagan was was
Speaker 6: just somebody who like they were working with the land,
Speaker 6: They were working with the spirits of the land, and
Speaker 6: you know, they looked at everything in kind of like
Speaker 6: a spiritual kind of way, and you know, a lot
Speaker 6: of the ways. Kind not to get too DeVault or
Speaker 6: too diluted here, but like how the the Native Americans,
Speaker 6: how they talk to the land, and they talked to
Speaker 6: the wind, and they talked to the sky and stuff
Speaker 6: like that. Right, That's that's essentially kind of what the
Speaker 6: pagans were doing in a sense.
Speaker 5: Because you're you're you're one with that, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean. You're not worshiping it necessarily exactly.
Speaker 6: I mean, dude, you're working literally with the stars and
Speaker 6: the placement of the stars in the sky, and you're
Speaker 6: letting the sky and the stars tell the story of
Speaker 6: what's going to be coming, and your you know, it's
Speaker 6: working together with it. And so anyway, we'll do a
Speaker 6: whole other show on paganism because it's it's a pretty
Speaker 6: wild rabbit hole to start diving into, like a lot
Speaker 6: of their ancient beliefs and stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there's a lot of misconceptions, you know,
Speaker 5: so it'd be nice to clear that up. I think
Speaker 5: even for myself, I just to get just a clear
Speaker 5: understanding of the whole thing and where it started. And
Speaker 5: I know we've covered it before, but but yeah, I
Speaker 5: think we might have to uh go around the block again.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, dude.
Speaker 6: So one of the earliest shifts came in the New
Speaker 6: Testament writings, which was, you know, the Jesus writings. Essentially,
Speaker 6: so the Greek word Daemenian or Daemonian, which is a
Speaker 6: diminutive of daemon or damon, uh was used to describe
Speaker 6: evil spirits or unclean spirits, spirits that Jesus cast it out,
Speaker 6: so already right there, that's where it's kind of brought in.
Speaker 6: That was in the New Testament, which was I mean
Speaker 6: it was written. Nobody knows exactly when it was written.
Speaker 6: Some people don't know exactly when it was written. Well,
Speaker 6: because it's a if you think about it, the Bible
Speaker 6: is just a compilation of a bunch of different books,
Speaker 6: and so there's sixty six books of the Bible, and
Speaker 6: so many in the New Testament, so many in the
Speaker 6: Old Testament. So a lot of the New Testament books
Speaker 6: were written obviously after Jesus died.
Speaker 5: Like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, after Jesus died. And that's really the question
Speaker 6: because you know, and this is a whole side tangent
Speaker 6: we're probably going to get into. But so Jesus, people
Speaker 6: don't even agree on what year he died. Some people
Speaker 6: say thirty two AD, some people say thirty a D.
Speaker 6: Some people say thirty three a D. I always looked
Speaker 6: at it as like the year of our Lord. That's
Speaker 6: literally what we call like the year that we're in. Right,
Speaker 6: So if Jesus was born in year zero, let's just
Speaker 6: say that he was born in year zero, then it
Speaker 6: would make sense that he would have died in thirty
Speaker 6: two AD because year zero still counts as a year, right,
Speaker 6: Oh okay, And so I don't know, it's weird, but anyway,
Speaker 6: so he ended up dying, you know, in the thirties
Speaker 6: a d. And after he died, then people started, you know,
Speaker 6: writing books and stuff like that. But if you go
Speaker 6: into the four main Gospels of the Bible with Matthew, Mark, Luke,
Speaker 6: and John those stories. Depending on who you ask, some
Speaker 6: people say it was written directly after Jesus died. Some
Speaker 6: people say it was written while Jesus was still living,
Speaker 6: and others say, well, no, it's actually not even written
Speaker 6: until about seventy or eighty a d at the very earliest.
Speaker 6: And I believe that that one. Don't quote me on this.
Speaker 6: I believe the first one that they believe was written
Speaker 6: was the Gospel of John.
Speaker 4: Okay, but it's been a minicence. I looked into it,
Speaker 4: but yeah, it's.
Speaker 5: It's a long time though. It's like a whole lifetime.
Speaker 6: Oh you're talking about fifty sixty years at least after
Speaker 6: his death, and so you know, it almost became mythological
Speaker 6: just with the time, you know, right. So anyhow, uh
Speaker 6: so it says these were not these were likely not
Speaker 6: meant to be direct references to the Greek damon, but
Speaker 6: the word itself got rebranded in early Christian usage. So
Speaker 6: they're rebranding words now. So if you were a pagan
Speaker 6: and you were, you know, in communication with your damon
Speaker 6: or your demon, well, now whoa hold on.
Speaker 4: You're talking to demons now, you know.
Speaker 5: And not of this right here?
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, because they want you to worship God and
Speaker 6: Jesus that you know are outside of you, which it
Speaker 6: doesn't even say that in the Bible, but that's what
Speaker 6: a lot of people believe. So then we move forward
Speaker 6: to the second and third century CE uh or A D.
Speaker 5: I don't know, I mean C E A D.
Speaker 4: And so in the second and third century a D.
Speaker 6: You had Justin Martyr or again and uh Tertullian never
Speaker 6: heard of some of these names. But these were early
Speaker 6: church fathers that started explicitly teaching that pagan gods were
Speaker 6: demons in disguise and that all damons were evil entities
Speaker 6: sent by Satan. Of course, so it starts right there
Speaker 6: in the s two. You know he sent a shit
Speaker 6: ton Oh well, I mean said to be like a
Speaker 6: third of God's angels or something like that.
Speaker 4: Right, right, So you had.
Speaker 6: Justin Martyr, as we talked about before he was alive
Speaker 6: in one hundred and fifty a D.
Speaker 4: Or he said this. In one hundred and fifty a D.
Speaker 6: He goes, the gods of the Pagans are demons just outright, Ye,
Speaker 6: he declared that damons misled the nations away from the
Speaker 6: one true God. Oh just reminds me a game of
Speaker 6: thrones when people start talking about.
Speaker 5: That, right, I mean the thing I wonder whenever we
Speaker 5: talk about the Bible and things like this, is like
Speaker 5: before the Bible was written, what was going on? People
Speaker 5: were just misinformed. They were just kind of doing their
Speaker 5: own thing, you know what I mean, until these books
Speaker 5: came out and it was like this is the truth.
Speaker 5: Like what about before that?
Speaker 6: Well, I mean you had the Old Testament, which was Jewish,
Speaker 6: and that I don't know exactly even how far that
Speaker 6: goes back. I don't know when that you know, the well,
Speaker 6: I say old Testaments, the Torah, which are you know,
Speaker 6: that's what the Jews look, you know, that's what they
Speaker 6: they that's their Bible essentially, right, and and so I
Speaker 6: believe that goes back to not exactly a thousand BC,
Speaker 6: but somewhere like a.
Speaker 5: While back, you know, right, Okay.
Speaker 6: And then obviously the New Testament came after that, once
Speaker 6: Jesus was born and you know, did his whole thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Because that's just one thing I always wonder about.
Speaker 5: It's like, why why wait so long to give us
Speaker 5: this information through a prophet and to show us the way?
Speaker 5: Like all those people before just had no idea.
Speaker 4: Well, and that's I think.
Speaker 5: Like the Pagans and you know what I mean, and
Speaker 5: I'm not.
Speaker 6: Like the biggest fan of science, to be honest with you,
Speaker 6: because I a lot. It's very bought and paid and
Speaker 6: I'm not going to get into that. But y'all know
Speaker 6: I'm a conspiracy theorist. I'm going to take it there.
Speaker 6: But what's even what science says is that humanity, the
Speaker 6: homo sapien sapien of which we are, goes back to
Speaker 6: three hundred thousand years was whenever the first you know,
Speaker 6: human as we know them were around. And then you
Speaker 6: even go back fifty thousand years and I believe South
Speaker 6: Carolina where they found some kind of pottery that dates
Speaker 6: back fifty thousand years, pottery with painting and carvings and
Speaker 6: shited on it fifty thousand years. It dates back. So yeah,
Speaker 6: it's a good question. You know, where was you know,
Speaker 6: these teachings and.
Speaker 5: Why why did he wait so long to you know,
Speaker 5: send some information to this said profit, you know, and
Speaker 5: say spread this message because before that everyone else just
Speaker 5: was so misinformed, you know, just kind of worshiping whatever
Speaker 5: they wanted exactly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and by the way, this is not going to
Speaker 6: be a Christianity bashing type of episode. We respect everybody,
Speaker 6: just the curiosity. It's just more so yeah, like trying
Speaker 6: to get into the mind of God, which you know,
Speaker 6: say what you will about that, but yeah, it's it's
Speaker 6: weird how how it all transpired in the timeline that
Speaker 6: it all transpired as well. So yeah, justin Martyr saying
Speaker 6: that the gods of the pagans are damons, which translates
Speaker 6: to demons. Uh, then you have origin. He was another
Speaker 6: early church father and he was around from one eighty
Speaker 6: five to two fifty three a d. And his quote
Speaker 6: is all damons are evil and the cause of men's sins.
Speaker 6: So at this point, the word damonium, damonium, I don't
Speaker 6: know how to say. That damn word in Latin no
Speaker 6: longer meant inner guide. It it becomes synonymous with satanic influence.
Speaker 5: And then so if you're if you're if you're catching
Speaker 5: a download, or you're you're talking to your higher self
Speaker 5: or I don't know, whatever it could be. You know,
Speaker 5: it's like, no, no, no, don't listen to that. That's
Speaker 5: that's not the right answer. That's you know, listen to
Speaker 5: what we're.
Speaker 6: Saying exactly, don't don't trust yourself and don't trust your spirit,
Speaker 6: even though it literally says in the Bible, the Kingdom,
Speaker 6: the Kingdom of Heaven is within you, yep, right, and
Speaker 6: even in is it Matthew six twenty two. If therefore
Speaker 6: thine eye be single, then your whole body should be
Speaker 6: full of light.
Speaker 5: Damn, you just called that out. Huh that's your favorite.
Speaker 6: Right, not gonna lie, just yeah, that's one of my favorites.
Speaker 6: So but that's just the I plan on getting that
Speaker 6: tattoo one day. So now we jump ahead to the
Speaker 6: fourth century, and this is where Augustine seals the seals
Speaker 6: the deal. So Saint Augustine, not august Augustine, Augustine rather,
Speaker 6: so Saint Augustine was around from three point fifty four
Speaker 6: to four point thirty and in his book called the
Speaker 6: City of God, it says, this is his quote, he goes,
Speaker 6: the damons, though sometimes appearing to help humans, are in
Speaker 6: fact malicious, eating souls away from salvation. But they appear
Speaker 6: to be doing good, you know. Yes, sometimes they're good,
Speaker 6: sometimes they're bad. This is the whole idea of the
Speaker 6: Gin by the way as well, right, And this is
Speaker 6: what we're talking about, the damon and the genius. They're
Speaker 6: always interconnected, which we're going to do a whole episode
Speaker 6: on the genius and the genie and the gin in
Speaker 6: that whole correlation right there as well. But it's all
Speaker 6: talking about the same thing. Like, it's not talking about
Speaker 6: your brain and your egoic mind or your human mind
Speaker 6: or anything like that. It's the quiet mind that speaks
Speaker 6: to you essentially.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: Some people call that your higher self or your your
Speaker 6: inner spark or whatever you want to call it. But yeah,
Speaker 6: they're saying that, like, well, I mean, they are in
Speaker 6: fact malicious and they need you away from salvation, which.
Speaker 5: Clearly clearly so anything not of God basically is yeah,
Speaker 5: get in line, you know kind of stuff.
Speaker 6: But Augustine's writing became foundational for Western Christian doctrine, and
Speaker 6: he fully codified the idea that damon's equals demons. So
Speaker 6: it was around this time it was nobody was questioning
Speaker 6: it anymore. Like people just kind of you know, forgot,
Speaker 6: I mean, which you know, several hundred years have have
Speaker 6: gone on, and so traditions are constantly being wiped away,
Speaker 6: especially during the Crusades, and everybody's dying that's not going
Speaker 6: along to get along with you know, emperors and whatnot.
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's unfortunate. So this was the final blow
Speaker 6: to the original meaning. From here on in the Latin
Speaker 6: speaking church, deamonium equals evil, spirit, genius, damon and guide
Speaker 6: equal heretical or dangerous to follow.
Speaker 5: A guide even yep, you know, like, so when when
Speaker 5: are you supposed to know if God's talking to you?
Speaker 5: You know, that's what I want to know.
Speaker 6: What's the Well, first of all, you have to be religious,
Speaker 6: because if you're not religious, then surely God wouldn't give
Speaker 6: you a message.
Speaker 5: I'm open to it to begin.
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, I've talked, you know, to numerous amounts
Speaker 6: of Christians about my whole eloheem story and they're like,
Speaker 6: oh were you are you Christian? No, well that must
Speaker 6: have been a demon then sorry.
Speaker 5: You were full dude, you were tricked.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 6: But anyway, all right, so yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, here
Speaker 6: we go. So by the Middle Ages from five hundred
Speaker 6: to fifteen hundred AD, the word demon in English developed
Speaker 6: from Old French demon, which came from Latin damonium, which
Speaker 6: originally came from the Greek daemon. But by this time
Speaker 6: all association with the original Greek meaning was gone. Demon
Speaker 6: meant hellish, possessive and satanic. So just to give a
Speaker 6: little summary here about you know, the the years of
Speaker 6: the breakdown about how it all happened. You have the
Speaker 6: pre first century CE, So let's just say first century BC, right,
Speaker 6: Damon equals divine guy, enter genius and U spirit. Move
Speaker 6: toward the first and second sect. First and second century
Speaker 6: AD daemonian used in Christian texts to describe evil spirits.
Speaker 6: Move forward to the second and third century Church fathers
Speaker 6: justin Martyr and Origin declare all pagan daemon's evil. Fourth
Speaker 6: and fifth century CE you have Augustine cements daemon equals
Speaker 6: demon in Church doctrine, and then of course by the
Speaker 6: Middle Ages, the word demon enters English with purely negative meaning.
Speaker 5: Wow. I mean it's pretty genius, you know, to just
Speaker 5: kinda to that kind of magic and make the real
Speaker 5: meaning of what it is just kind of go.
Speaker 6: Away, like completely genius. I think you picked the exact
Speaker 6: right word there.
Speaker 5: So I never even really heard of damon or anything
Speaker 5: like that. I know of demon, and I know that
Speaker 5: it has a very negative connotation in all this, but
Speaker 5: never really knew anything about the damon, you know, and
Speaker 5: where it came from. Dude, so this is just evidence.
Speaker 6: Ain't too many pagans around to tell the story anymore,
Speaker 6: that's true, you know, So why it all matters? This
Speaker 6: wasn't just a linguistic evolution. It was a spiritual inversion.
Speaker 6: The sacred voice within the damon became a threat to
Speaker 6: religious control because if people could hear divine truth within themselves,
Speaker 6: they wouldn't need a priest to tell them who they
Speaker 6: were or what God wanted. The inner voice that once
Speaker 6: led Socrates and uplifted Plato became under the church the
Speaker 6: whisper of Satan.
Speaker 5: Of course, dude, of course, you know you need some
Speaker 5: type of higher authority to help you out, or to
Speaker 5: guide you, or to you know, assist. You know, you
Speaker 5: just can't do that by yourself. You're just an unclean rag.
Speaker 4: What do you know?
Speaker 6: You're a sinner. You were born a sinner. You're born
Speaker 6: into sin. Had no chance think about that, dude, You're
Speaker 6: born into sin? Like, how, my god, what does that
Speaker 6: got to do to the psyche for people to actually
Speaker 6: accept that? You know?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, all you're gonna do is just except the
Speaker 5: Lord is our savior. Man, You'll be good. Don't even trip.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, then you'd be saved. So anyhow, what if
Speaker 6: the inner voice you sometimes hear that quiet poll that's
Speaker 6: strange knowing, isn't your imagination at all. What if it's
Speaker 6: a divine spirit one that has been guiding your soul
Speaker 6: since before you were born. This episode that we're going
Speaker 6: to be getting into is not necessarily about religion. We
Speaker 6: kind of want to just go through the etymology there first,
Speaker 6: but now we're going to get into what it actually means,
Speaker 6: how people were using it, some quotes by people who
Speaker 6: were actually in touch with it. It's going to be
Speaker 6: an all inclusive, daimonic episode.
Speaker 5: Oh alrighty take us there.
Speaker 6: Okay, So yeah, so it's not about religion, it's about
Speaker 6: personal nosis.
Speaker 4: The episode, this episode.
Speaker 6: Will be an initiation into rediscovering the divine intelligence that's
Speaker 6: been with you all along.
Speaker 4: You're damon, so what is a damon? Damon?
Speaker 6: I'm just gonna keep on going back and forth with it,
Speaker 6: and to be honest, because if I'm wrong, I'm only
Speaker 6: half wrong, you know.
Speaker 5: Exactly right. It's letting everybody know that we don't know
Speaker 5: what we're talking about.
Speaker 4: You know, we say it in the beginning though I
Speaker 4: don't know what the fu you know.
Speaker 6: So. The word daemon has deep roots in Greek cosmology.
Speaker 6: It didn't mean evil spirit. It referred to a divine intermediary,
Speaker 6: a spiritual intelligence that lives within or around each person.
Speaker 6: These beings weren't worshiped like Olympian gods, but were seen
Speaker 6: as personal guides connected to fate, genius, and divine will.
Speaker 6: To the Greeks, every soul had a damon, a kind
Speaker 6: of celestial twin or guardian genius that knew what your
Speaker 6: soul's purpose was. It wasn't some outside entity trying.
Speaker 4: To control you.
Speaker 6: It was you, just more whole, more awake, more divine.
Speaker 6: The daemon represented the soul's memory of heaven was spring,
Speaker 6: reminders and moments of clarity, inspiration, or danger. Modern mystics
Speaker 6: and psychologists have begun reclaiming this idea. The damon is
Speaker 6: your future self speaking back through time. It's the compass
Speaker 6: pointing toward your destiny. But if you ignore it, you
Speaker 6: may feel lost, restless, or even cursed. Not because it
Speaker 6: punishes you, but because you've strayed away from your own
Speaker 6: divine alignment. So, and this might be why people are
Speaker 6: getting deja vu if you really think about that.
Speaker 5: Mmmm, yeah, ude. And what I'm thinking about is is
Speaker 5: that you know, we always know, even though we might
Speaker 5: not always be good or do good things, you know,
Speaker 5: but I feel like we know the difference. We know
Speaker 5: what's good regardless of what you would belief system you follow.
Speaker 5: It's just kind of ingrained. We know what's what's right
Speaker 5: from wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't need a book telling me that
Speaker 6: thou shalt not kill, you know, I kind of just
Speaker 6: know not to do it, and I know that like
Speaker 6: inherently it's a bad thing, you know. So uh, moving forward,
Speaker 6: So first off, we're going to get Socrates and the damon.
Speaker 6: So Socrates was the first and in the Western canon
Speaker 6: to talk openly about his damon. He described it as
Speaker 6: a voice, never loud, never commanding, that warned him when
Speaker 6: he was about to act against his soul's calling.
Speaker 5: Mm okay, all right, that's cool. Of course he's got
Speaker 5: to get into mixed, dude. He was connected, he knew
Speaker 5: something was going on. Oh dude.
Speaker 4: I mean that's who Plato learned from, was Socrates.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 6: You know, he was an understudy of Socrates there for
Speaker 6: a while, which is what inspired him down his path.
Speaker 6: So yeah, so he didn't worship it, but he listened always.
Speaker 6: He claimed that the daemon had been with him since childhood.
Speaker 6: When he stood trial, he said it had not dissuaded him,
Speaker 6: and so he accepted his fate. This shows that even
Speaker 6: death was preferable to betraying one's damon, a powerful idea
Speaker 6: that personal integrity is more sacred than survival. This inner
Speaker 6: voice wasn't madness or superstition. It was divine alignment. Socrates
Speaker 6: didn't see himself as a prophet or a mystic, yet
Speaker 6: he trusted this whisper above all else, which suggests that
Speaker 6: the damon is not some supernatural fantasy, but a real,
Speaker 6: experiential part of being a human when you live consciously.
Speaker 5: It's consciousness, dude, Yeah, I mean where it's derived from.
Speaker 6: And yeah, we call that a higher self nowadays, but
Speaker 6: back then, just think about it, like right now, right,
Speaker 6: let's say that Jesus was existing, or let's say Jesus
Speaker 6: just died thirty forty years ago, just hypothetically speaking, and and.
Speaker 4: So and everybody.
Speaker 6: Let's just say that everybody knew that, like your higher
Speaker 6: self was a good thing. It's good to get into alignment,
Speaker 6: it's good to meditate, it's good to eat healthy, it's
Speaker 6: good to work out, it's good to do like very
Speaker 6: conscious things. That's going to keep you kind of in
Speaker 6: this alignment, right, And let's just say that everybody called
Speaker 6: it your higher self, just you know, a little roundabout
Speaker 6: type of term here.
Speaker 4: And then the church fathers come around, they're like.
Speaker 6: Whoa your higher self? What are you fucking worshiping yourself now?
Speaker 6: Which is gus, yeah, which is exactly what a lot
Speaker 6: of people say. Oh, you're worshiping yourself. I don't know
Speaker 6: a single fucking person that worships themselves. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 6: you might, they might be a little full of their
Speaker 6: own shit, But to.
Speaker 5: Say that you're worshiping yourself, that's egregious. Yeah. I think
Speaker 5: if you're worshiping yourself, there's never a single moment that
Speaker 5: you're talking shit to yourself, you know. And I think
Speaker 5: we all talk shit to ourselves more so than we
Speaker 5: would talk shit to anybody exactly.
Speaker 6: So it's kind of like just instead of them, and
Speaker 6: instead of looking at them like they got uh, they
Speaker 6: got one over on the word damon, just look at
Speaker 6: it like they got one over on the word higher self.
Speaker 6: And they turned the higher self into a negative entity
Speaker 6: that only communicates with the dark side. That's essentially what
Speaker 6: they did. Okay, so all right, so that was Socrates.
Speaker 6: Now we're gonna get into Neil Platonism and the damon.
Speaker 5: So uh.
Speaker 6: Later, philosophers like Platinus and Proclus built on Plato's ideas
Speaker 6: and took the damon to cosmic levels. In their view,
Speaker 6: every soul descends from the divine and forgets its source.
Speaker 6: The damon's job is to guide it back like uh
Speaker 6: Ari ariadnes I'm terrible old people's names, but like his
Speaker 6: thread through the labyrinth of incarnation. They believe that the
Speaker 6: damon exists in a realm between heaven and earth and
Speaker 6: in between state, essentially acting as a translator between the
Speaker 6: soul and the divine. It doesn't control the human, but
Speaker 6: instead it nudges, aligns, and inspires. The damon remembers who
Speaker 6: you are even when you don't, so Proclus. Proclus even
Speaker 6: even taught that the damon was a mirror of your
Speaker 6: perfected soul.
Speaker 3: Hmm.
Speaker 5: That's pretty cool, dude, And that's why so many of
Speaker 5: the spiritual feelings or or experiences that we have had
Speaker 5: feel familiar, even though you've never been there at least
Speaker 5: not in this body.
Speaker 4: Oh dude.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I mean he's literally talking about the intermediary
Speaker 6: between you and Heaven.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 6: That's that's all the way neoplatonic, just looking at the
Speaker 6: you know, the the one emanating onto all things, right
Speaker 6: and so yeah, and also think about it like this,
Speaker 6: the daemon could literally be Jesus m because well, because
Speaker 6: Christ is the intermediary between you and God. Nobody comes
Speaker 6: to God except through me, right, h right, So it's
Speaker 6: essentially that Jesus is a damon if you really think
Speaker 6: about it like that.
Speaker 5: Jez, that's gonna ruffle some feathers. Moving on, That'll be
Speaker 5: the title of this episode, Us a Demon. Wait a minute,
Speaker 5: what the shit, bully?
Speaker 6: So yeah, so he he taught that the daemon was
Speaker 6: a mirror of your of your perfected self. The more
Speaker 6: you purify your life, the more you harmonize with it.
Speaker 6: In this way, working with the damon is a spiritual practice,
Speaker 6: one of remembrance, realignment, and awakening to your true to
Speaker 6: your true soul's contract, to your true soul's contract.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, holy shit, I don't remember who it was.
Speaker 5: I don't know if it was Danny gold or I'm
Speaker 5: really I can't remember, but somebody said that they met there.
Speaker 5: It might not even necessarily have been their future self,
Speaker 5: but it was their wiser self, like in form like
Speaker 5: in front of them, And so I wonder if that
Speaker 5: was their damon.
Speaker 4: Oh, Butler said it yeah.
Speaker 5: Butler said, oh, that's right, that's right, yeah, dude.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because he was like, yeah, it didn't look like
Speaker 6: a super old version, but I knew that it was
Speaker 6: like a more wise version of me.
Speaker 5: Right, his connection to that divine, the connection that allows
Speaker 5: him to understand his divinity, you know, I mean he
Speaker 5: met his damon. That's crazy, you know, essentially.
Speaker 6: So just before we go any farther, I want to
Speaker 6: get over to the chat here real quick. The White
Speaker 6: Boy Wizard said, the end betwixt.
Speaker 5: Yes, it's my favorite. It's my favorite.
Speaker 6: Kara said, good evening, mysterious weirdos and happy New Moon
Speaker 6: and cancer.
Speaker 5: It's been a while. Oh all right, Caro, what's up, dude?
Speaker 6: And Taylor said, oh my god, you got to watch
Speaker 6: his Dark materials. Bro. Ever since they brought this up,
Speaker 6: Nick has been like, I fucking told you years and
Speaker 6: years ago, you need to watch his Dark materials. I'm like,
Speaker 6: I know, Nick, I'm sorry, I've been. I think I
Speaker 6: tried watching one episode, but you know what, I gotta
Speaker 6: stick through it. I give up way too easy on
Speaker 6: shows that you know whatever. But I mean, he keeps
Speaker 6: on saying it. And look, I mean, you know, we
Speaker 6: we all enjoy the oay, and we all enjoy like
Speaker 6: Rick and Morty and Black Mirror and all these kinds
Speaker 6: of things that it's like, you know, our group knows
Speaker 6: what's up, you know, all of the one here. If
Speaker 6: there's ever a show or a tea or like a
Speaker 6: movie or something like that that y'all recommend that kind
Speaker 6: of goes in line with meta mysteries all encompassing, then yeah,
Speaker 6: we're we're definitely gonna give it a little look see
Speaker 6: at the bare middle.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, dude, I've been I've been having a hard
Speaker 5: time finding movies and finding things because I'm always looking
Speaker 5: for something deep, something I don't know, something more foundational
Speaker 5: and true or or just real, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And whenever I go and look at the movies, so
Speaker 5: I'm like, what is this shit? Dude? I don't want
Speaker 5: to waste two hours watching this, you know, And don't
Speaker 5: get me wrong. I will, you know, I will watch
Speaker 5: something here and there, but lately I've been really looking
Speaker 5: for something like I don't know, just deep.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, and so Taylor said, I'm over here, like, oh
Speaker 6: my god, Socrates makes so much sense when when thinking
Speaker 6: about the Damon in the show and then said that
Speaker 6: the Golden Compass is a movie version of the Show
Speaker 6: Kids movie.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 5: Wow. Okay, I haven't heard of that one yet.
Speaker 4: But all right, well, I mean that's our homework. We
Speaker 4: got to watch his dark.
Speaker 6: Materials, bro, thank you, thank you for that good stuff. So, yeah,
Speaker 6: we had Neoplatonism, we had Socrates diving into it. Now
Speaker 6: we're going to get to the Gnostic and Hermetic principles
Speaker 6: and parallels rather so, the Gnostics had a similar view,
Speaker 6: though with a more urgent tone and their cosmology. We
Speaker 6: are divine sparks trapped in a material prison. The damon
Speaker 6: is a fragment of divine memory, the part of you
Speaker 6: that never forgot the light. It's not just guidance, it's rescue.
Speaker 6: In Hermeticism, the noose, which is more of a Neoplatonic
Speaker 6: idea and Platonic idea, but Hermeticism and Platonism kind of
Speaker 6: go hand in hand with a lot of things. So
Speaker 6: in Hermeticism, the noose or the divine intellect, and the logos,
Speaker 6: which is the divine word, serve as serve a similar
Speaker 6: purpose as bridges between the mortal and the eternal. The
Speaker 6: damon becomes the inner Christ, the foath or the higher Mercury.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's good stuff right there.
Speaker 6: Hermes, Hermes, remember Hermi Streusman justus was, you know, standing
Speaker 6: for mercury, which was the messenger between you and the One.
Speaker 6: So the damon literally is your connection to the One,
Speaker 6: to the All, to God, to the universe whatever, right,
Speaker 6: m hm. Both traditions emphasize gnosis, which is inner knowing.
Speaker 6: You don't need external profits. When you're connected to your damon,
Speaker 6: you have direct access to the divine stream. This made
Speaker 6: these traditions threatening to religious institutions, which is likely why
Speaker 6: the damon was literally demonized.
Speaker 5: So I wonder what the threat is though. Is it
Speaker 5: just a power thing like usual, just they don't want
Speaker 5: us to have that kind of power because only they
Speaker 5: can have that power, you know, that authority. Yeah, it's
Speaker 5: kind of like.
Speaker 6: This is going to sound bad, but it's kind of like, uh,
Speaker 6: like uh, what is it called the beauty and the
Speaker 6: Beast syndrome? I can never remember that term. Oh fuck,
Speaker 6: somebody's gonna remember it anyway. It's essentially like that, you know,
Speaker 6: the the syndrome, Stockholm syndrome.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's it.
Speaker 6: But it's essentially like, if you're the husband, will will
Speaker 6: belittle the wife so much, either you know, physical, emotional, sexual, whatever,
Speaker 6: so much, and the wife literally starts believing that she's
Speaker 6: lower in dirt, lower than dirt. And because look, you're
Speaker 6: you're if you full on buy into why your husband
Speaker 6: is disciplining you in certain kinds of ways, then surely
Speaker 6: your husband wouldn't just be doing this for no reason,
Speaker 6: like you need it, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 6: so that's the Stockholm syndrome behind it. And I think
Speaker 6: that what essentially what religious and not even just Christianity,
Speaker 6: but a lot of religions are trying to teach is
Speaker 6: basically Stockholm syndrome. You know, like you're literally it says
Speaker 6: in the Bible that God sees you as unclean rags. Okay,
Speaker 6: you're you're born a center, you're unclean rags, and you're
Speaker 6: ever You're going to go straight to hell unless you
Speaker 6: accept Jesus as your savior. If that's not Stockholm syndrome,
Speaker 6: I don't know what is right. Because if you know
Speaker 6: that you have that inner spark inside of you, that damon,
Speaker 6: that higher self, that whatever that is, that nosis, then
Speaker 6: you're gonna be like, no, get out of here with that.
Speaker 6: But the amount of Stockholm syndrome and the amount of
Speaker 6: like I mean, just hammering is you know. Unfortunately, that's
Speaker 6: just I in my belief, I believe that that's what happened.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say that that's what is happened. I
Speaker 4: don't know what.
Speaker 6: I don't know, but my my damon says that that's correct.
Speaker 5: Right, makes sense.
Speaker 4: To Yeah, So where were we? All right?
Speaker 6: So uh now we're gonna get to Carl Jung and
Speaker 6: what he talked about with the damon so YOUNGI. In
Speaker 6: psychology and the damon, Carl Jung wasn't afraid to borrow
Speaker 6: from the old world. He saw the damon as a
Speaker 6: symbol of the self, the totality of the conscious and
Speaker 6: unconscious mind. Carl Jung called it the inner guide that
Speaker 6: services during shadow work, dreams, and spiritual crisises. The damon
Speaker 6: in young In YOUNGI in terms appears as synchronicities, symbolic dreams,
Speaker 6: or even archetypes in taro or in myth. He encouraged
Speaker 6: people to dialogue with it, like in active imagination, where
Speaker 6: you converse with parts of your psyche. The Damon might
Speaker 6: show up as a wise old man, a trickster, or
Speaker 6: even your future self to young ignoring your daemon led
Speaker 6: to a life of neurosis and self sabotage. Listening to it,
Speaker 6: on the other hand, was the path of individuation, the
Speaker 6: mystical union of ego and the soul. In this way,
Speaker 6: psychology becomes modern day alchemy, and the Damon is your
Speaker 6: philosopher's stone.
Speaker 5: Hmm, okay, that energenious man, All right.
Speaker 4: Yeah dude.
Speaker 5: So you see how it's on one right now, right, yeah, yeah, dude.
Speaker 5: And the way and thinking lately as far as like
Speaker 5: consciousness and the way our brain works, Like I understand
Speaker 5: that our brain is very complex and it's it's just
Speaker 5: an amazing machine. But I'm trying to understand that that
Speaker 5: connection when it comes to our mind and the spirit.
Speaker 5: You know, Carl Jung sounds like he's likes to talk
Speaker 5: about our own mind and the brain and the subconscious
Speaker 5: and everything else. But maybe that's where the connection is.
Speaker 5: I guess, you know. That's what I've been trying to
Speaker 5: figure out for myself. Really, well, is it just mind
Speaker 5: or is it something that we just don't fully understand
Speaker 5: that connects our mind to the divine?
Speaker 4: No, no, it's not even mind.
Speaker 6: Mind is like lesser, so this would be your So
Speaker 6: your higher self is not your mind, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean, like.
Speaker 5: Something in the conscious and the subconscious.
Speaker 4: You know, there you go.
Speaker 6: So, yeah, the conscious mind is the mind that everybody
Speaker 6: knows and everybody talks about. Whenever you say the mind,
Speaker 6: you're talking about the conscious mind, right, the subconscious mind
Speaker 6: is you know. Even Dolores Cannon she used to say, look,
Speaker 6: I yeah, I mean, you know, she she started saying
Speaker 6: that these messages were coming through your subconscious mind. But
Speaker 6: she goes, that's not exactly the term that I'm looking for.
Speaker 6: She just didn't know what else to call it. And
Speaker 6: then she started talking about the higher self. So you
Speaker 6: know it it converted from subconscious to the higher self.
Speaker 6: Your subconscious is is more of kind of like your
Speaker 6: like you're programming if you really think about it like that.
Speaker 5: Oh okay, all right, yeah, I mean because I understood
Speaker 5: it like your your sub at least, this is how
Speaker 5: I understood your Your subconscious is the thing that notices everything,
Speaker 5: notices things that your conscious mind doesn't notice. And so
Speaker 5: that's why symbols and and you know, when you go
Speaker 5: into a past life progression, you'll get a certain experience
Speaker 5: depending on what your subconscious has seen and understands, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, the part of your mind that
Speaker 5: that just gives you the messages, you know. And so
Speaker 5: it's like I I'm like stuck in the middle of
Speaker 5: is it just your mind or is it? Is it
Speaker 5: something more?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it kind of reminds me of like in this
Speaker 6: is kind of like the image I'm getting in my
Speaker 6: mind is kind of like a if you if you
Speaker 6: put it in like neoplatonic terms, so you have the One,
Speaker 6: then the noos than the world soul, and then uh,
Speaker 6: the physical world, you know, and that's that's the one
Speaker 6: that's emanating on everything, and every single world or every
Speaker 6: single emanation is kind of like farther away from God
Speaker 6: but still connected, right, or farther away from the One
Speaker 6: but still connected. I almost look at it like this,
Speaker 6: like if we're talking about strictly you and your mind
Speaker 6: and your subconscious and your conscious mind, and uh, you
Speaker 6: want to also include the daemon. Let's just say the
Speaker 6: damon is your spirit. I mean essentially, that's that's what
Speaker 6: it would be called. If you're if you're trying to
Speaker 6: group it into like father, son and holy spirit, it
Speaker 6: would be the spirit, right, and so you know, if
Speaker 6: you look at it so essentially, the physical world would
Speaker 6: be your physical body, let's just say that, and the
Speaker 6: world soul would be your conscious mind. The noose would
Speaker 6: be your subconsciousness subconscious I guess, and maybe your your
Speaker 6: gaming would be so closely related to the one or
Speaker 6: so closely I don't know. Maybe I said that wrong,
Speaker 6: but either way, it's it's it all seems that like
Speaker 6: you have so many different modalities of what you call yourself.
Speaker 6: You have you know, your mind, your subconscious, your your
Speaker 6: conscious mind, your you know, your your spirit so to say,
Speaker 6: and your physical body. So essentially look at yourself like
Speaker 6: you have literally four yous, right, and and some some
Speaker 6: people like you know, every so often we like to
Speaker 6: mess up from time to time and and aid a
Speaker 6: cheeseburger or have you know, sex when we shouldn't be
Speaker 6: with this person or that person or whatever, you know,
Speaker 6: and that's more of like the physical you know, like
Speaker 6: that's that's used to coming to your animalistic mind in
Speaker 6: a sense. And then you know, when you're sitting in meditation,
Speaker 6: maybe that is right when because that's what I was
Speaker 6: saying that, you know, the the the daemon isn't It
Speaker 6: doesn't scream at you, It doesn't even doesn't even say
Speaker 6: anything loudly to you.
Speaker 4: It's more of the whisper.
Speaker 6: And if you think of that whisper, you know, that
Speaker 6: divine consciousness of the daemon, then that would probably only
Speaker 6: happen like within meditation, during the dreaming, because that's the
Speaker 6: only time where you shut the fuck up for a
Speaker 6: little bit, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And I guess when it comes to your mind,
Speaker 5: I guess we can talk about awareness, you know, because
Speaker 5: I've had time where I feel like I'm not seeing
Speaker 5: synchronicities as often, you know, maybe here and there, but
Speaker 5: definitely not as much as I have experienced in the past.
Speaker 5: And so when it comes to our mind, that's where
Speaker 5: the disconnect is. It's because it's just my my my
Speaker 5: level of awareness to it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: But the the ener genius or the you know, the
Speaker 5: damon is always there, you know, trying to show me things,
Speaker 5: but I'm just not paying attention. And so that's the
Speaker 5: part that gets in the way.
Speaker 4: I guess, Well, and that's what what was that Socrates?
Speaker 6: That was basically just like, look, I'm not going to
Speaker 6: go against my damon, Like my damon didn't do anything wrong, right,
Speaker 6: and so I'm not like I'll die before I go
Speaker 6: against that. And that's just your your soul's connection, you know,
Speaker 6: Jesus dying on the cross. That's essentially what that is
Speaker 6: is that he was like, you know, my damon or
Speaker 6: God if you want to put it that way, and
Speaker 6: you could probably even you know, interchangeably say God. In
Speaker 6: a sense, it's your connection. It's your you know, your
Speaker 6: your cell phone to God or something like that, you
Speaker 6: know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, well you know how it said that the
Speaker 5: damon was kind of neutral, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I feel like there's times where, and I'm sure everyone
Speaker 5: has experienced this where you kind of talk down to
Speaker 5: yourself and you're kind of saying to yourself like, ah,
Speaker 5: you're a piece of shit, because you know you're not
Speaker 5: doing as much as you should, or maybe you did
Speaker 5: eat that cheeseburger and you're just kind of like talking
Speaker 5: shit to yourself. That can't beat your damon.
Speaker 4: Right, No, no, not at all.
Speaker 6: I don't think I don't think so anyway, not according
Speaker 6: to this, And that was only us. That was only
Speaker 6: one person's view calling it neutral. By the way, that
Speaker 6: was let's see, uh in Roman culture under figures like
Speaker 6: Cicero and Seneca, So in Latin it says it's still
Speaker 6: carried mostly positive or neutral connotations. So okay, okay, there's that.
Speaker 6: So anyway, let's get back to it over here. So
Speaker 6: now we're going to get into the damon equalling the
Speaker 6: higher self. So this is the golden thread weaving through
Speaker 6: it all. Your damon is not something else. It is you,
Speaker 6: stripped of illusion. It's the version of you that already
Speaker 6: remembers the mission, already forgives the past, and already loves
Speaker 6: the future. It's your soul's compass. When you're aligned, it
Speaker 6: feels like flow, like deja vus, like I was meant
Speaker 6: to be here. When you ignore it, it feels like resistance,
Speaker 6: chaos and repeating loops of failure. You'll hear it in
Speaker 6: your gut your dreams or in strange synchronicities that seem
Speaker 6: to tug at your awareness. The damon may also be
Speaker 6: your genius, as the Romans called it, the spark of
Speaker 6: brilliance in art, invention or epiphany. When you create something
Speaker 6: that feels like it came from a deeper place, that's
Speaker 6: your damon showing up. You're not being possessed, you're being revealed.
Speaker 5: Wow. So even those people that don't like to take
Speaker 5: credit for their music that they wrote or you know,
Speaker 5: a script that they wrote, it's like, oh, it just
Speaker 5: it just came to me. You know that wasn't me.
Speaker 5: Oh maybe it was you know, just on a deeper
Speaker 5: level that you're not aware of.
Speaker 6: And look, if you don't want to align yourself with this,
Speaker 6: and you want to look at your higher self.
Speaker 4: And this is what a lot of people do.
Speaker 6: Like you think about like Electro Nick like his guides
Speaker 6: are the Pleaadians, Like, there's no way that could be him.
Speaker 4: Maybe it is.
Speaker 6: Maybe he just forgot that that was him or something
Speaker 6: along those lines. But you know, and some people will say, well,
Speaker 6: I'm talking to you know, my dead grandmother or you know,
Speaker 6: this was re Yukta schwar right, like from Autobiography of
Speaker 6: a Yogi and so and and maybe you want to
Speaker 6: just paint it as a different kind of figure or
Speaker 6: who was it, damn the roundtable guy that said we
Speaker 6: need to get every all those characters in our mind.
Speaker 5: Oh yes, Oh my god, dude, it's been so long.
Speaker 5: We need to get him back. Man, it's just ah fuck,
Speaker 5: such a great really bad. I feel really bad right now.
Speaker 5: I always can remember that guy's name.
Speaker 4: It starts with the N.
Speaker 5: I think it'll Nigel parent Nigel. So that's all I needed, dude,
Speaker 5: That's all I needed.
Speaker 6: But yeah, that's basically what he was saying, is like,
Speaker 6: you know, you get the roundtable of the people in
Speaker 6: your mind, do you want to have conversations with the
Speaker 6: the essentially versions of your higher self from different perspectives?
Speaker 6: And I mean maybe at that point you have five
Speaker 6: damons then.
Speaker 5: Right, I mean, because they would all be connected anyways,
Speaker 5: probably if we're all one on high level.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 6: So, so yeah, that's the damon as the higher self.
Speaker 6: Now we're going to go to Damon versus demon the
Speaker 6: great inversion. So how did something so sacred become so feared?
Speaker 6: It all changed with the Christianization of the Roman Empire.
Speaker 6: Pagan's spiritual concepts like daemons were seen as competitors to
Speaker 6: the Church's control over the soul, so they were demonized.
Speaker 4: Literally.
Speaker 6: Augustine and others argued that all quote unquote pagan spirits
Speaker 6: were demons in disguise, tricksters luring people away from Christ.
Speaker 6: The daemon became a threat, even though it was originally
Speaker 6: a guide. This inversion wasn't accidental. It ensured that people
Speaker 6: would stop trusting their inner compass and instead rely on
Speaker 6: church authority. Over time, daemon became demon and all positive
Speaker 6: spiritual nuance was erased. This fear is still deeply embedded
Speaker 6: in Western culture. Many people think any inner voice is
Speaker 6: a temptation, when in fact it might just be their salvation.
Speaker 5: Something you need to hear. Man, shit, that's your guide.
Speaker 5: And look, I'm telling you, man, you start to if
Speaker 5: you start to really dwell on oh maybe maybe I
Speaker 5: have a demon. You know, you really start to dwell
Speaker 5: on that, you you will manifest that. I think you
Speaker 5: can cause a lot of anxiety and stress. And then
Speaker 5: before you know it, man, you're causing disease and you're sick,
Speaker 5: and you know what, I mean, and then you're possessed
Speaker 5: basically at that point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, our thoughts can literally take on
Speaker 6: a mind of their own, and you let that snowball
Speaker 6: effect happen. By the end of the day, you got
Speaker 6: a fucking you know, a super huge boulder that is
Speaker 6: just on your back.
Speaker 5: But the good news is is you can exercise that
Speaker 5: demon yourself, you know, and get rid of it.
Speaker 6: Yes you can, Yes you can. So uh so, how
Speaker 6: to work.
Speaker 4: With your damon? We're going to get right into that now, Okay.
Speaker 6: So to work with your damon, you must first make
Speaker 6: space for it. This means silence, reflection, shadow work. The
Speaker 6: demon doesn't scream, It whispers, and if you're always distracted
Speaker 6: or numbing it out, you'll never hear it. Start by
Speaker 6: asking this, what part of me feels ancient? What part
Speaker 6: of me already knows the answer? This is not about
Speaker 6: rational thinking. It's about resonance practices like dream journaling, active imagination,
Speaker 6: tarot or oracle work, deep meditation, or creative flow states
Speaker 6: like in music, art writing, whatever your artistic thing is,
Speaker 6: to where you can get in that flow state. These
Speaker 6: are all open portals for your damon to emerge. Treat
Speaker 6: it like a sacred ally.
Speaker 5: Give it a name.
Speaker 4: If one arises, let it.
Speaker 6: Show you where you've betrayed yourself, not to punish, but
Speaker 6: to liberate. When the damon is integrated, you no longer
Speaker 6: need to ask anyone else who you are. You know,
Speaker 6: you remember and you return.
Speaker 5: M Dude, when you're in that creative flow, dude, and
Speaker 5: you're doing that thing that that you're I mean, call
Speaker 5: it your gift if it's easy for you to do
Speaker 5: for no reason at all. Of course, maybe you practiced
Speaker 5: at it or what have you. But when when you're
Speaker 5: in the zone, dude, and your all of your awareness
Speaker 5: is on that one thing, man, So it's so nice.
Speaker 5: It's a peaceful place, man, it's your happy place.
Speaker 6: Oh dude, when you fully commit to something and you
Speaker 6: know nothing in the world, like literally nothing else in
Speaker 6: the world is happening outside of the bubble of whatever
Speaker 6: you got going on right there with you is going
Speaker 6: on in the treehouse, oh dude. Like that's yeah, you're
Speaker 6: narrowing in, you know what I mean. And that's the
Speaker 6: flow state, because.
Speaker 5: That's the flame of the candle, dude, exactly too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and so that's what you know people will say
Speaker 6: is that, you know, the only the present moment matters.
Speaker 6: There's no such thing as the past, there's no such
Speaker 6: thing as the future. And if you can finally convince
Speaker 6: yourself of that, that's essentially what's going on in the
Speaker 6: flow state. You're not worried about what's going on in
Speaker 6: the past, You're not worried about what's going on in
Speaker 6: the future.
Speaker 5: You're not even worried about what's going about time in general.
Speaker 6: Dude, you're not worried about what's going on in the
Speaker 6: other room, you know what I mean? Like, you're so
Speaker 6: into that flow state, and that's what they're saying that
Speaker 6: that's where you know, that flow state is the damon Essentially.
Speaker 5: That's where it's time to start having that conversation, you know,
Speaker 5: when you get to that quiet place.
Speaker 4: I love it, dude, Yes, yes, so.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 6: Demon damon's have popped up in pop culture, as as
Speaker 6: many people have told us here his in his dark materials,
Speaker 6: people's souls live outside them in the form of talking
Speaker 6: animal damons.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 6: In The Exorcist, the fear of possession is the shadow
Speaker 6: inversion of that of that same archetype, suggesting how closely
Speaker 6: linked guidance and fear. Truly are movies like Donnie Darko
Speaker 6: Fight Club shout out one of the best movies of
Speaker 6: all time, and even the Oa gets a shout out
Speaker 6: in this one. Oh really show characters confronting forces that
Speaker 6: seem like their other but are really inner aspects uh
Speaker 6: Damons in disguise. These stories show us what happens when
Speaker 6: we suppress or engage that inner guide. Even superheroes often
Speaker 6: fit this mold Spider Man Spidery Sense, Luke Skywalker's Jedi intuition.
Speaker 6: These are all echoes of the damon idea, buried under
Speaker 6: layers of fiction. Our modern myths still remember even when
Speaker 6: we forget.
Speaker 5: That's other creatives tapping into that divine force if you will,
Speaker 5: you know, and just kind of putting it into their
Speaker 5: art because it's there.
Speaker 6: Dude, Yeah, well they pulled force, they got into that
Speaker 6: flow state, you know.
Speaker 5: That's right, that's right.
Speaker 6: So now we're going to get into Alan Watts of course,
Speaker 6: had to get up in this conversation. His quote is
Speaker 6: you don't come into this world, you come out of it,
Speaker 6: like away from the ocean.
Speaker 4: You're not a stranger here.
Speaker 6: So yeah, we're gonna use we're gonna use this idea
Speaker 6: essentially kind of building off of this to show everybody
Speaker 6: that we are not separate from divinity, in that the
Speaker 6: damon is an echo of our true origin. So what
Speaker 6: is a damon? According to Carl Jung, this is his
Speaker 6: one of his quotes. In each of us, there is
Speaker 6: another whom that we do not know. He speaks to
Speaker 6: us in dreams and tells us how differently he sees
Speaker 6: us from the way that we see ourselves.
Speaker 5: That's cool. Of course, Young was on a day.
Speaker 6: Of course, another quote from Alan Watts to go out
Speaker 6: of your mind once a day is tremendously important because
Speaker 6: going out of your mind you come to you come
Speaker 6: to your senses, or because by going out of mind
Speaker 6: you come to your senses.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 6: Just make sure to come back to you know it's balanced. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean sometimes you get to eat, you know, I
Speaker 6: love it. So now we're going to get to Socrates
Speaker 6: and Plato's a couple of their quotes here. So Socrates said,
Speaker 6: a divine or spiritual voice, which began when I was
Speaker 6: a child, it always forbids me to do something that
Speaker 6: I am going to do, but never commands me to
Speaker 6: do anything.
Speaker 5: Just a little warning shot, you know, little office pop.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Plato, another quote from him, Everything daimonic is between
Speaker 6: divine and mortal. Yeah, it's that connection, bridge connection. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's the fucking rainbow bridge all day. So this, and
Speaker 6: it even says this clearly defines the damon as a
Speaker 6: bridge or intermediary, reinforcing the whole concept of the show.
Speaker 5: Really.
Speaker 6: So now we're going to get to neoplatonism. So you
Speaker 6: got and we've talked about a couple of these names
Speaker 6: in neoplatonism, but the third one we haven't really brought
Speaker 6: up too much.
Speaker 4: So you have.
Speaker 6: Plato, Platinus, and then Proclus which is a new name
Speaker 6: to me, but a couple of quotes from Platinus, who
Speaker 6: was essentially like the father of neoplatonism. So he says,
Speaker 6: we are always what we are, but we do not
Speaker 6: always know it. To be a man is to be forgetful. Wow,
Speaker 6: So to be human essentially is to be forgetful.
Speaker 5: Holy shit.
Speaker 6: Another quote of Platinus, he goes, withdraw into yourself and look,
Speaker 6: and if you do not find yourself beautiful, yet act
Speaker 6: as as does the creator of a statue that is
Speaker 6: to be made beautiful. He cuts away here, he smooths
Speaker 6: there until a god like splendor is revealed.
Speaker 4: Ha ha, that's cool. That is pretty cool.
Speaker 6: So it says this is practically a manual for damon work,
Speaker 6: inner refinement to match divine essence. And then of course
Speaker 6: you got a quote by Proclus. His quote is each
Speaker 6: of us has within us the god given power of
Speaker 6: spiritual assent. The daemon is the link between our soul
Speaker 6: and its divine source that somehow got turned to de.
Speaker 5: Yep, of course, dud of course.
Speaker 4: Oh man, that's all right. We're here to write some
Speaker 4: of the wrongs.
Speaker 5: That's what we're trying, man, We're trying to figure it out.
Speaker 6: So now we're going to get into gnostic and Hermetic parallels.
Speaker 6: So in the Hermetic text called Corpus Hermeticum, the first
Speaker 6: first edition, I think that says within it, within man
Speaker 6: is the noose the divine reason, which can lead the
Speaker 6: soul back to the divine world if purified.
Speaker 5: That's the news that we're constantly filling the need to contemplate.
Speaker 6: Oh shit, we got a quote from something to figure out, dude. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so we got a quote from Dolores Cannon in here.
Speaker 6: Oh all right, this is from her book called Between
Speaker 6: Death and Life Highly highly suggests everybody read this book
Speaker 6: because it's not about between life and death.
Speaker 4: It's between death and life.
Speaker 6: So it's like, what happens once you die and what's
Speaker 6: the in between window of one dead before you reincarnate.
Speaker 4: Or go on to the next thing? Right, right, so cool?
Speaker 6: But her quote from that book is, you are not
Speaker 6: just a body with a soul. You're a soul experiencing
Speaker 6: through a body. The higher self is the true self,
Speaker 6: and it always knows what you need to learn.
Speaker 5: Sometimes it'd be nice if it would just take over
Speaker 5: a little more often, you know, it's so so much
Speaker 5: hard work to access that sometimes.
Speaker 6: Well, and that just goes back to I mean, how
Speaker 6: often are we meditating? Because I and we do. We
Speaker 6: fucking try and hammer this one home as often as
Speaker 6: we can, and even we don't meditate as often as
Speaker 6: we should.
Speaker 4: But the more you meditate and.
Speaker 6: The more you just quiet the mind and get back
Speaker 6: to that level of awareness that knows and is guiding
Speaker 6: you and is literally the spark of the whole. Right,
Speaker 6: the more we quiet that down, I mean, maybe the
Speaker 6: more frequent the synchronicities happen, and more frequent in alignment
Speaker 6: that you feel. So yeah, But anyway, her quote here,
Speaker 6: so her version of the damon is the higher self
Speaker 6: that exists outside of time and space. Okay, so it's
Speaker 6: on one dig it.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 6: Nextly, we're gonna go to a couple of quotes here
Speaker 6: by Carl Jung. So in Young in Psychology and the Damon.
Speaker 6: A quote by Carl Jung is, the self is a
Speaker 6: circle whose center is the ego. The greater the circle
Speaker 6: of the greater the circle of awareness, the closer one
Speaker 6: moves toward the self. Okay, so all right, so your
Speaker 6: your divine self essentially is what he's talking about.
Speaker 5: Yeah, your true self, not the self that's masked with
Speaker 5: the ego and and all the other bullshit.
Speaker 6: Exactly. Yeah, so let's see we got here. Another one
Speaker 6: from Carl Jung. The damon stands between the ego and
Speaker 6: the self. If the ego refuses to hear it, the
Speaker 6: damon becomes a devil. If the ego cooperates, the damon
Speaker 6: becomes a guiding spirit.
Speaker 5: That makes sense, dude, That makes sense because it does
Speaker 5: feel you know, when you're when you don't feel quite
Speaker 5: as connected to that divine source or or you know
Speaker 5: what I mean. You know, ultimately you're connected, but then
Speaker 5: you lose sight of that, you get distracted, and then
Speaker 5: you start to see more obstacles, you know, things that
Speaker 5: are making your life harder, and so ultimately it's just
Speaker 5: a a dark or or a bad entity, you know
Speaker 5: in that sense if you look at that way, I guess.
Speaker 6: Oh, dude, I mean literally, what he's saying here is
Speaker 6: that essentially anxiety, depression, suicidal thoughts, even suicide itself are
Speaker 6: all the results of you not having more of a
Speaker 6: connection to your own inner awareness, your own higher self,
Speaker 6: your own damon and back in those terms, right, And
Speaker 6: you can see it, dude, like how many people are
Speaker 6: They're stuck in jobs they don't like, They're stuck in relationships.
Speaker 4: They don't like.
Speaker 6: They they don't have good relationships with their kids or
Speaker 6: their friends or anything. They're just completely lost. Right, you
Speaker 6: think about like midlife crisises and whatnot. It's like all
Speaker 6: of that is really transpiring because it's been so long
Speaker 6: that that like, you haven't connected with your own inner
Speaker 6: divinity that ultimately connects you to the whole of everything.
Speaker 6: Right that you know you've lost You know that that
Speaker 6: inner spark that that light has gotten so dim that
Speaker 6: it's barely even there anymore.
Speaker 5: And those are the sort of things that I would
Speaker 5: be okay with labeling. If you must label it, I
Speaker 5: would be okay with it being a demon. You know,
Speaker 5: those negative thoughts, Those those the times you're talking shit
Speaker 5: to yourself and you're no good, Like that's a demon.
Speaker 6: You know, Yeah, exactly. And so how funny is that though? That,
Speaker 6: like when you don't listen to your damon or damon,
Speaker 6: that that's whenever a demon appears, right, I mean essentially,
Speaker 6: not literally, but essentially that's kind of what's going on.
Speaker 6: You know, like your your life is dark and gloomy.
Speaker 6: You're having thoughts.
Speaker 4: That you don't want to have.
Speaker 6: You know, you're you're talking shit about yourself at literally
Speaker 6: every moment of the day, burying yourself even deeper than
Speaker 6: you already are with you know, in the previous moment,
Speaker 6: like that's hell, that's where demons live.
Speaker 5: And then you get addicted to that, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean. I've heard I forget who it was that
Speaker 5: was speaking on this, but they were saying that you
Speaker 5: get addicted to those negative emotions. Once you get that
Speaker 5: ball rolling, it's almost like it just creates this, uh,
Speaker 5: I don't know, just this habit or this addiction to
Speaker 5: to feeling those negative emotions and and putting yourself through
Speaker 5: that cycle, you know, and then that's why it's so
Speaker 5: hard to get get rid of that. And so then
Speaker 5: some might say you need an exorcism.
Speaker 6: Probably you know, well, you find comfort in it because
Speaker 6: it's it's so the known now, it's regular, Like that's
Speaker 6: that's like comforting to you the shit talking on yourself
Speaker 6: and belittling yourself and everything like that. And you think
Speaker 6: about that, like if you're in alignment and you're doing
Speaker 6: what you love doing and you love the people that
Speaker 6: you're around, and every day you wake up, it's like,
Speaker 6: oh my god, I get to do today again. How
Speaker 6: awesome is that? Right, You're not going to be in
Speaker 6: that headspace, you know, you're not going to be like
Speaker 6: belittling yourself and talking shit about yourself and having anxiety
Speaker 6: and having depression and feeling completely disconnected from not only
Speaker 6: everybody around you, but from the source.
Speaker 4: Of which you came, you know.
Speaker 5: Dude. Yeah, man.
Speaker 6: So one more quote here from Carl Jung. He goes,
Speaker 6: the privilege of a lifetime is to become who you
Speaker 6: truly are, which directly reflects damon integration and individuation.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's probably easier when you get into that flow.
Speaker 5: You know, everything just starts working out good exactly.
Speaker 6: So I'm uh, here we go the Daemon equalling the
Speaker 6: Higher Self through the words of Alan Watts and Dolores Cannon.
Speaker 6: So Alan Watts, and I'm bringing up all these quotes
Speaker 6: to just show you that, like, look, it wasn't just
Speaker 6: a pagan thing, and it didn't necessarily die in you know,
Speaker 6: uh by the creation of Christianity and stuff. The idea
Speaker 6: of it has still carried on. People just renamed.
Speaker 5: It essentially and was still very much understood by the
Speaker 5: deepest of all thinkers.
Speaker 6: Right, I mean, Carl Young called it the Self. Dolores
Speaker 6: Cannon called it the Higher Self. Alan Watts, you know,
Speaker 6: he just said, look, you were never separate from anything,
Speaker 6: So why are you backing like you are?
Speaker 5: Right exactly, dude.
Speaker 6: So Alan Watts a quote right here from his book
Speaker 6: titled The Book He goes you are an aperture through
Speaker 6: which the universe is looking at and exploring itself. Maybe
Speaker 6: that's the Damon's view you. Dolores Cannon said, the higher
Speaker 6: Self is always there whispering, guiding, but it will never interfere.
Speaker 6: It waits for permission.
Speaker 5: Oh right.
Speaker 4: There, that's it. So damon versus demon the.
Speaker 5: I feel like, did I already read this? No?
Speaker 6: Okay, another game. We got a bunch of quotes from
Speaker 6: Carl Young and Alan Wats.
Speaker 5: For some reason.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not I'm not complaining.
Speaker 6: So another quote from Carl Young, he goes, the reason
Speaker 6: for evil in the world is that people are not
Speaker 6: able to tell their stories from his book titled Memories,
Speaker 6: Dreams and Reflections, and so essentially you can kind of
Speaker 6: use this quote to imply that the daemon was demonized
Speaker 6: because its truth was suppressed. When we lose our mythic memory,
Speaker 6: we turn guides into monsters.
Speaker 5: M damn fear dude.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 5: Start hearing a voice telling you some stuff, You're like, oh,
Speaker 5: what is that?
Speaker 6: I always found it very strange that anytime you talk
Speaker 6: to a religious person, you go into some kind of
Speaker 6: religious or spiritual type of experience, it's.
Speaker 4: Always a demon.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: It's never an angel, it's never God, it's.
Speaker 6: Never Jesus, it's always it's always what it has to
Speaker 6: be because you didn't ask Jesus or you didn't ask
Speaker 6: literally God, And why would you ask God? You're not
Speaker 6: even a Christian, you know what I mean? Like kind
Speaker 6: of deal. So that's sad. But anyway, Alan watts a
Speaker 6: quote here he goes, the devils are in the deep unconscious,
Speaker 6: not because they're evil, but because they're forgotten.
Speaker 4: Okay, essentially, Yeah, the shadow work.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 6: So working with your demon or Damon rather sorry, Dolorus
Speaker 6: Cannon said, ask, That's all it takes. Just ask and
Speaker 6: be open. The higher self can only guide if you listen.
Speaker 5: This this I firmly believe, dude. Wherever this is coming from,
Speaker 5: obviously we don't know. But I did have a really
Speaker 5: crazy experience in some one time where I was actually
Speaker 5: and I think we had just interviewed Cassandra and she
Speaker 5: was saying about asking, asking for your guides, you know,
Speaker 5: and actually opening up that communication. And as soon as
Speaker 5: I did, within I don't know, ten seconds, dude, that
Speaker 5: was when I had that weird bow like it was
Speaker 5: a flash that I saw while my eyes were closed.
Speaker 5: And so I mean, as soon as you open that up,
Speaker 5: and a lot of people and even a lot of
Speaker 5: religious people would tell you. You know, you just got
Speaker 5: to open yourself up to it, you know. And so
Speaker 5: it's the same supernatural force that everyone's talking about. It's
Speaker 5: just got different labels and different understandings, and you know,
Speaker 5: it's all the same thing. We're all part of it.
Speaker 4: And that's what it was saying earlier that it essentially
Speaker 4: will feel like an epiphany moment, you know why you
Speaker 4: become open to it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, dude, it was. It was a pretty It scared
Speaker 5: the shit out of me, dude. At first, it was
Speaker 5: just like bow like a you know when you turn
Speaker 5: on the light and the light bulb burns out and
Speaker 5: it's like like that. But it was right here in
Speaker 5: my I you know. And I remember calling you the
Speaker 5: next day and I was like, dude, the craziest thing happened,
Speaker 5: you know. And yeah, I mean I know that wasn't
Speaker 5: just my mind playing tricks on me, because I mean
Speaker 5: I wasn't asleep or anything. I was fully consciously aware,
Speaker 5: and this thing just happened like I was having an experience.
Speaker 5: And I had another experience just recently do where it
Speaker 5: looked like light was coming out of my chest and
Speaker 5: I could see it real briefly, Dude, and I was like,
Speaker 5: whoa like a bright light? Oh yeah, who knows who
Speaker 5: that is, but it's it's yeah yeah.
Speaker 6: Oh, by the way, remind me once we're kind of
Speaker 6: through reading all this to talk about my experience at
Speaker 6: bro Grove, oh and my psychedelic experience because yeah, wild dude.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: But anyway, all right, so yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, here's
Speaker 6: another quote by Carl Jung. He goes, if you do
Speaker 6: not speak to your damon, it will speak to you
Speaker 6: as fate.
Speaker 5: Hmm.
Speaker 6: Oh that's a good interesting yeah. Essentially, like you know,
Speaker 6: people are like, oh, well, you know, that's just that's
Speaker 6: that's as fatal have it, you know, like, that's just
Speaker 6: that's just my that's my destiny, you know, destined to
Speaker 6: be a seek like a C plus kind of human,
Speaker 6: you know or whatever. And it's like, well, yeah, because
Speaker 6: you're not listening to you know, the inner higher self,
Speaker 6: the damon, right m hm. And that's the one thing
Speaker 6: I wanted to hit on real quick. I was gonna
Speaker 6: say it earlier, but as far as when you're in
Speaker 6: that cycle of talking shit to yourself, and and the
Speaker 6: reason another reason why I think it's kind of uh,
Speaker 6: you get kind of addicted to it and you just
Speaker 6: continue to do that is because you're you're basically just
Speaker 6: lowering your own bar like as low as it can go.
Speaker 6: And I mean, now everything is just it's easy because
Speaker 6: failure is okay, you know, and not doing well is
Speaker 6: okay because of course you know, this is this is
Speaker 6: who I am.
Speaker 5: I suck, you know what I mean? Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: so you flip it on its head and now your
Speaker 5: bar goes up. Now you have to rise to that occasion,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 6: Right, right, And we've all been there to where like
Speaker 6: we just kind of find solace in beating up ourselves.
Speaker 6: So nobody else can say anything like Eminem did it great?
Speaker 6: And n eight mile right, it's like yes trash and
Speaker 6: yes my mom, did you know steal my car or whatever?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: That's you know, and there's there's some piece in.
Speaker 6: That which even even if you think about it, like
Speaker 6: what a wild creation or what a wild existence that
Speaker 6: you can even find peace and destruction of your mind
Speaker 6: of yourself dude, Yeah, pretty wild. So yeah, just going
Speaker 6: back to this young end quote, if you do not
Speaker 6: speak to your damon, it will speak to you as fate.
Speaker 6: It says, this is gold, and it perfectly describes the
Speaker 6: inner voice becoming outer chaos when ignored.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 6: One uh a quote right here by Proclus he goes,
Speaker 6: when the soul lives in harmony with its damon, it
Speaker 6: fulfills its divine image on earth.
Speaker 5: Damn.
Speaker 4: That's solid.
Speaker 5: I like it.
Speaker 6: Here we go, won by Alan Watts again, myth is
Speaker 6: a mirror. We recognize the images because they all let
Speaker 6: me just reread that. We recognize the images because they
Speaker 6: are already within us. So yeah, pretty freaking sweet. Oh
Speaker 6: here we go. Now we're going to get to it.
Speaker 6: So I figured, you know, since it was kind of
Speaker 6: literally demonized within Christianity, why don't we hear a couple
Speaker 6: of quotes from Jesus, possibly.
Speaker 5: Referring I was gonna ask you about that, but I
Speaker 5: didn't know if you had anything loaded up for that.
Speaker 6: Jesus on the inner guide the damon as christ consciousness,
Speaker 6: of course, yep, okay. So in Luke chapter seventeen, verses
Speaker 6: twenty through twenty one, it says, the Kingdom of God
Speaker 6: cometh not with observation, neither shall they say look here
Speaker 6: or look there, for behold, the Kingdom of God is
Speaker 6: within you.
Speaker 4: That's a Jesus quote.
Speaker 6: So the interpretation of it is that this is one
Speaker 6: of Jesus's clearest affirmations that divine truth is not external,
Speaker 6: it is internal. The kingdom within is is essentially like
Speaker 6: what and what to the damon your divine core guiding
Speaker 6: you back to God.
Speaker 5: Makes sense, dude, as far as you know, you can't
Speaker 5: really look at any of this with a logical mind,
Speaker 5: you know. And that's one thing that I hear a
Speaker 5: lot is you know, well, you can't think about it,
Speaker 5: you know, because I'll ask questions to people that are religious,
Speaker 5: and the same answer that I get is like, you
Speaker 5: can't think about it logically, you know. And so it
Speaker 5: makes sense that everybody kind of has their own their
Speaker 5: own way of doing things and understanding things through their
Speaker 5: experiences and what have you. You know what I mean,
Speaker 5: if if you try to explain any of that logically,
Speaker 5: you're not really gonna You're not You're never gonna fully understand.
Speaker 6: And there's logical ways of looking at this, you know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, Like I don't know. I mean, that's
Speaker 6: a whole other kind of mind that you got to
Speaker 6: get into to like blindly follow and blindly believe don't
Speaker 6: ask any questions, just trust the plan kind of thing.
Speaker 6: I've never been one of those kind of people that
Speaker 6: just goes along to get along, Like you know, We've
Speaker 6: always been kind of the outcast that like asks questions
Speaker 6: and and that's you know, that's obviously like why even
Speaker 6: a lot of the one are here because we ask
Speaker 6: questions were we're intuitive, we're in touch with whatever that
Speaker 6: is within us that whenever we hear something to just
Speaker 6: follow blindly, we're like why, like let me understand why,
Speaker 6: Like I need to understand why this works or why
Speaker 6: you're saying to do this kind.
Speaker 5: Of thing, right right, well, I mean you're gonna ask
Speaker 5: those questions and try to wonder. When someone comes up
Speaker 5: to you and it's like hey, you know, just let
Speaker 5: you know you're gonna go to hell, you know, it's like, right, well,
Speaker 5: let me figure out why you think this and understand
Speaker 5: it from myself exactly.
Speaker 6: So then we got another one from John chapter fourteen,
Speaker 6: verse twenty six. This is another Jesus quote that says,
Speaker 6: but the comforter, which is the holy ghost from the Father,
Speaker 6: will send in my name. He shall teach you all
Speaker 6: things and bring all things to your remembrance.
Speaker 5: Your remembrance you already know. You just gotta recognize, recognize
Speaker 5: Christ consciousness right here. What you want to call it,
Speaker 5: Christ consciousness, your higher self, You're damon whatever. Everybody's got
Speaker 5: a name, you are exactly. So the interpretation is is
Speaker 5: that the Holy Spirit here acts as an inner teacher,
Speaker 5: a function that is indistinguishable from that of the damon
Speaker 5: or higher self. It's not outside help. It reminds you
Speaker 5: of truth that you already carry. And this is why
Speaker 5: when we you know, you have an experience and you
Speaker 5: slightly remove the veil, all of a sudden, things that
Speaker 5: you never thought you knew just makes so much sense.
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, it's just like, dude, it's like that inner knowing.
Speaker 6: It is so obvious that it's like real, you know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, Like you don't even question it. It's like,
Speaker 6: I don't know. It's like a second language almost that
Speaker 6: you're almost unfamiliar with, that you automatically just remember whenever
Speaker 6: you're in that flow.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm. It's a happy place, dude, it is.
Speaker 6: The next one is from the Gospel of Thomas. This
Speaker 6: is more of the Gnostic variety. But I figured, hey,
Speaker 6: well we'll include the Gnostic and the the not Gnostic
Speaker 6: texts from you know, the regular Bible and the Gnostic writings.
Speaker 6: So from the Gospel of Thomas, and this is saying
Speaker 6: seventy that's what they're called. He goes or Jesus says,
Speaker 6: if you bring forth what is within you, what you
Speaker 6: bring forth will save you. If you do not bring
Speaker 6: forth what is within you, what you do not bring
Speaker 6: forth will destroy you.
Speaker 5: Oh shitude, there's your savior and your devil right there, exactly.
Speaker 6: So the interpretation from this one it says, this is
Speaker 6: one of the most direct Gnostic parallels to Young's Damon quote.
Speaker 6: If you do not speak to your damon, it will
Speaker 6: speak to you as fate.
Speaker 5: The idea that the.
Speaker 6: Inner force is either liberating or destructive depending on how
Speaker 6: you relate to it at the heart.
Speaker 4: Of Damon work.
Speaker 5: Fucking awesome.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 6: Next one is from John chapter five, verse nineteen. This
Speaker 6: is a quote another one. These are all from Jesus,
Speaker 6: by the way, So even though like for anybody it's
Speaker 6: unfamiliar with the Bible, Like as I stated earlier, the
Speaker 6: four main gospels in the Bible, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's like it's their chapters, but they're all Jesus sayings. Essentially,
Speaker 6: these are like Jesus's life was essentially.
Speaker 4: Written in these four books.
Speaker 6: Okay, according to the Bible, So John chapter five, verse nineteen,
Speaker 6: Jesus says, the son can do nothing of himself, but
Speaker 6: what he seeth that the Father do. For what things
Speaker 6: soever he does, these also do the Son.
Speaker 4: Likewise, that's written in very old English.
Speaker 5: It's very hard for me to understand. I'm at to
Speaker 5: read that a couple times.
Speaker 6: So the interpretation is essentially saying this. Jesus acknowledges that
Speaker 6: he follows the quote unquote Father. What the Father is
Speaker 6: kind of like the daemon of the Higher Self, right,
Speaker 6: He acknowledges that he follows the Father, but Gnostic readings
Speaker 6: see the Father as the inner divine source rather than
Speaker 6: an external sky God. It's the Higher Self, the Christ
Speaker 6: within a term mirrored by what the Greeks would call
Speaker 6: the damon.
Speaker 5: I love it. I love it, dude. The next why
Speaker 5: all this shit works? Man?
Speaker 2: It do?
Speaker 6: The next one is from the Gospel of Thomas Saying three,
Speaker 6: where Jesus says, the kingdom is a side of you,
Speaker 6: and it is outside of you. When you come to
Speaker 6: know yourself, then you will be known, and you will
Speaker 6: realize that it is you who are the sons of
Speaker 6: the Living Father. The interpretation is that the daemon isn't
Speaker 6: just a voice, it's a gateway to divine sonship. Jesus
Speaker 6: teaches that when you awaken to your true self, the
Speaker 6: Divine reveals itself as being one with you. That is
Speaker 6: the essence of Christ consciousness and mirrors the daemon as
Speaker 6: a divine intermediary, that is you in your highest state.
Speaker 5: Wow, and it's very powerful. It can create a heaven
Speaker 5: on earth or a hell on earth.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Then we go to John ten, verse thirty four. Jesus
Speaker 6: says that it is not written in your law. I
Speaker 6: said you are God's yep. So the interpretation is is
Speaker 6: that Jesus is quoting Psalm chapter eighty two, verse six,
Speaker 6: but recontextualizing it to pphasize the divinity within the very
Speaker 6: same concept that the daemon embodies. You are not merely
Speaker 6: a servant of God, but a vessel of God. And
Speaker 6: when in alignment with your divine self, you reflect that truth.
Speaker 5: It's inside all of us already. Man.
Speaker 6: A Gospel of Philip from the Gnostic text says those
Speaker 6: who say those who say they will die first and
Speaker 6: then rise are mistaken. If they do not receive the
Speaker 6: resurrection while they live, when they die, they will receive nothing.
Speaker 5: Oh that's not what I thought was understood.
Speaker 6: The interpretation is this supports the idea that awakening to
Speaker 6: your damon your divine self must happen in life through
Speaker 6: conscious through conscious inner work, you don't need to wait
Speaker 6: to be saved.
Speaker 4: You remember who you are.
Speaker 5: M dude. And this is the thing that I've been
Speaker 5: saying a lot lately, is that you know, it's, uh,
Speaker 5: this a way of life isn't necessarily for preparation of death,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. It's to have a good
Speaker 5: way to live while you're here, now, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm I'll be real with you, dude.
Speaker 6: The reason why I got into a lot of this
Speaker 6: like spiritual stuff as deep as I as I personally have,
Speaker 6: is because I've been trying to figure out what is
Speaker 6: the right way to live, you know, like, because sometimes
Speaker 6: you feel like you're you're trapped or you're strapped down
Speaker 6: and you don't really have a say so, and you
Speaker 6: got to go along to get along, and you got
Speaker 6: to do this, and you have to fulfill obligations and
Speaker 6: all this other kind of stuff.
Speaker 5: And I was like, sure, I'll do that.
Speaker 6: Just let me spiritually find out the truth and you know,
Speaker 6: and and that will kind of be my guide as
Speaker 6: to what my next step in life will be. I mean,
Speaker 6: if it's if I'm supposed to just do everything out
Speaker 6: of obligation, then I don't have any problem doing that.
Speaker 6: But if if that's not the answer, and I don't
Speaker 6: need to feel obligated that, you know, like because you
Speaker 6: feel so out of alignment whenever, literally everything in your
Speaker 6: life is an obligation right right, and you know, now
Speaker 6: you're doing things that you don't want to be doing,
Speaker 6: but you know you have to. And you know, whether
Speaker 6: you're working a job or whatever, maybe you're with somebody
Speaker 6: you don't want to be with, whatever the case may be.
Speaker 6: And so that's kind of like, really why I went
Speaker 6: into this whole spiritual you know, understand or got into
Speaker 6: all this spiritual stuff in the first place, because I
Speaker 6: was like, dude, what is the right way to live?
Speaker 6: Because I don't believe that anybody has a fucking speck
Speaker 6: of knowledge at all about what's the right way to live.
Speaker 6: So I'm not just gonna go and do what everybody
Speaker 6: else is doing. Let me, let me try and figure
Speaker 6: it out, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, that that's perfect, dude. I think that's that's
Speaker 5: what a lot of us here, you know, experience all
Speaker 5: the time, Like what what is the lens that I
Speaker 5: want to look through? That's the thing I've been really
Speaker 5: trying to narrow down. Surely I know not to do
Speaker 5: certain things, and I know what things are good, but
Speaker 5: but how do I really want to visualize what my
Speaker 5: existence is? You know? And I think that's I don't
Speaker 5: think anybody has a wrong answer, to be honest with you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I mean it's your own kind of inner
Speaker 6: truth and your Damon will reveal it.
Speaker 5: That's it, dude, that's it.
Speaker 6: So yeah, so we read the Gospel of Philip. Oh,
Speaker 6: now we're gonna get to one of my favorite Bible quote.
Speaker 6: It's probably my favorite actual Bible quote. I kind of
Speaker 6: stated it earlier. I was right, though, Matthew, Chapter six,
Speaker 6: verse twenty two. Yep, good ship. It's probably because I
Speaker 6: did just read it when I was going over. So
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna suck my own that much. But so
Speaker 6: Matthew six twenty two. The light of the body. The
Speaker 6: light of the body is the eye. If therefore thine
Speaker 6: I be single, the whole body shall be full of light.
Speaker 6: The interpretation is Esoterically, the single eye has been interpreted
Speaker 6: as the pineal gland or inner vision, the eye through
Speaker 6: which the damon might be perceived full of light equals
Speaker 6: aligned with your divine guide.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm. And that's where a lot of the school
Speaker 5: experiences happened. Dude. You know, when you're in meditation or
Speaker 5: you're just contemplating, that's when things happen, not when you're
Speaker 5: just in the physical world. I mean, sure you might
Speaker 5: have some synchronicities, and that's just I think that's pointing
Speaker 5: towards your level of awareness. But but yeah, when you're
Speaker 5: meditating and you experience something, it it feels very real.
Speaker 5: You know, it doesn't feel like something you made up
Speaker 5: just to trick yourself.
Speaker 6: What you're acting like in union, you know, And that's
Speaker 6: the idea behind like, you know, it's kind of like
Speaker 6: a you know, like a union when you get married,
Speaker 6: for example, right, Like you're now thinking as one unit
Speaker 6: rather than two separate individuals. And that's what we're talking
Speaker 6: about here. When we're talking about the union of you
Speaker 6: and you know, your third eye, your pinial plan, your
Speaker 6: dame on, your christ or whatever. With that, it's a
Speaker 6: fucking union. You guys are coexisting, you're working together, you know,
Speaker 6: and they're creating. Du Yeah, you're you're co creating. And
Speaker 6: if you look at your life as a co creation
Speaker 6: rather than just you're in charge of everything and you
Speaker 6: you don't have anybody to talk to, or anybody to ask,
Speaker 6: or anybody to work with or anything like that, then
Speaker 6: of course you're gonna feel like, oh my god, I
Speaker 6: gotta do all this, I gotta do all that. That's
Speaker 6: where anxiety and depression come along. But you know, you
Speaker 6: got to get back to co creating.
Speaker 5: You know. That's it, dude, that's it.
Speaker 6: So my question to the one out here is was
Speaker 6: Jesus actually talking about the damon because I think that
Speaker 6: he was.
Speaker 5: I think so when he was talking, he was on
Speaker 5: some ship. Dude, you know he knew some shit. Oh
Speaker 5: he definitely did so.
Speaker 6: Uh So, Yeah, I mean that's pretty much it what
Speaker 6: I got so far. I mean, I got a couple
Speaker 6: more things here, but then we're going to get to
Speaker 6: the chat over here and then we'll get to the
Speaker 6: tarot and then the meditation and all the fun experience.
Speaker 6: Oh that's right, Yeah, we'll get to that. We'll get
Speaker 6: to that here a minute. Just remind me again. So
Speaker 6: now you know about the damon. The voice that nudged
Speaker 6: you when no one else was looking, the whisper in
Speaker 6: the stillness, The invisible hand that pulled you back from
Speaker 6: the edge. Was never a ghost, It was never madness.
Speaker 6: It was you, in the most divine form, the part
Speaker 6: of you that never forgot who you were before the.
Speaker 4: World named you. The damon is not above you, it's
Speaker 4: not outside of you. It's the sacred fire within you,
Speaker 4: your compass, your guardian. You're twin born of starlight and memory.
Speaker 4: It does not speak in fear, it does not command
Speaker 4: in rage. It guides with grace, and it waits in
Speaker 4: silence until you are ready to listen. And now you are.
Speaker 4: You've walked through the temples of Greece, into the minds
Speaker 4: of Plato, Socrates, Proclus, Young Jesus, Jesus, and the mystics
Speaker 4: of old. You've seen the lies that turned a guardian
Speaker 4: into a devil. You've remembered that salvation was never something
Speaker 4: to be found it was something to remember. So what now?
Speaker 6: You speak its name, you light a candle, you take
Speaker 6: a walk, or you close your eyes, and you ask,
Speaker 6: show me who I was before the forgetting. Speak to
Speaker 6: me again, and it will not with thunder, not with fire,
Speaker 6: but with a.
Speaker 5: Feeling, a knowing, a return love it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, beautiful, a little bit more. Actually, sorry, I thought
Speaker 6: that was gonna be it too. One more quote from
Speaker 6: the Gospel of Thomas says, if you bring forth what
Speaker 6: is within you, what you bring forth will save you.
Speaker 4: So yeah, this is not the end of the story.
Speaker 6: This is the beginning of your real life, now, the
Speaker 6: life that your Damon already knows you're capable of living.
Speaker 6: As you walk forward, trust this, you're not alone, you're
Speaker 6: not broken, and you're not lost. You've just remembered the
Speaker 6: part of yourself that always knew the way. So if
Speaker 6: this rings true to the divine spark within you, then
Speaker 6: tonight you met your damon. Now let the real journey begin.
Speaker 5: I love it, dude. That's a that's a you know,
Speaker 5: I was speaking earlier about choosing a lens to look through.
Speaker 5: I think that's a pretty cool one. You know, as
Speaker 5: far as you know a way of life. I love
Speaker 5: it and don't get caught and semantics.
Speaker 6: You know, I know that some people are gonna listen
Speaker 6: to this and they're gonna be like, oh, so the
Speaker 6: demon's here to save you, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: It's like, all right, just put another term on it,
Speaker 6: like put it on say it's your guide, Say it's
Speaker 6: your guardian angel. You know, this is actually something that
Speaker 6: even I mean, Aleister Crowley, whatever you want to think
Speaker 6: about him, he was kind of a shithead. But if
Speaker 6: you look into even what he says it whenever whenever,
Speaker 6: uh damn it. What was it called the Damon? Whenever
Speaker 6: he spoke spoke of the Damon, he literally called it
Speaker 6: the Guardian Angel.
Speaker 5: So whatever you want, you know, those are just labels anyways.
Speaker 6: So essentially, yeah, so look at it like your guardian angel.
Speaker 6: Look at it like it's God. Look at it like
Speaker 6: it's your connection to God. Maybe it's your connection to
Speaker 6: your ancestors. But whatever it is, it's that signal. Essentially,
Speaker 6: it is your cell phone signal, it's your Wi Fi signal,
Speaker 6: it's you know, it's the you know, the interconnective kind
Speaker 6: of connecting tissue or connecting wires to the divine.
Speaker 5: So I love it. Yeah, I love it freaking sweet dude.
Speaker 6: Yeah, dude, I thought, you know, I was actually looking
Speaker 6: about this and whenever I found this out, I was like,
Speaker 6: oh my god. Literally the term demon comes from Higher
Speaker 6: Self and and you know, it is like it's like
Speaker 6: the most ancient conspiracy of all time if you think
Speaker 6: about it.
Speaker 5: They didn't even change a word that much, you.
Speaker 4: Know, dude, I mean they got les with it.
Speaker 6: They were like, you know what, let's let's slap that
Speaker 6: a off, you know what I mean, Like we're just
Speaker 6: gonna get really weird. And so I actually I called
Speaker 6: Jacob and I was like, dude, you gotta let me
Speaker 6: fucking run this on the cult bro, like that's this
Speaker 6: is one of the oldest conspiracies of all time. And
Speaker 6: Jacob was just like, well, I mean, is it though?
Speaker 6: And I was like, what, you know, because he's Christian,
Speaker 6: you know, that's how he's going to look at it,
Speaker 6: like he don't believe in the Higher Self or he
Speaker 6: don't believe and you know, he believes that humans are
Speaker 6: just lesser than and I mean to each their own.
Speaker 6: But so, yeah, I had to run it on Meta
Speaker 6: even though it's kind of conspiratorial, kind of spiritual.
Speaker 4: It was kind of riding in the middle there.
Speaker 5: I love it. I love it, dude, And you know,
Speaker 5: I don't know, I kind of feel I kind of
Speaker 5: feel bad. You know if if someone has an intuitive
Speaker 5: thought or or you know, their guide is nudging them
Speaker 5: and they're like, well, I'm not a prophet, that must
Speaker 5: be a demon. I'm just going to not listen to that,
Speaker 5: you know, Like I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, you know, it's just that the only thing
Speaker 6: how a demon is created, just funny is by not
Speaker 6: listening to your damon, right literally, I mean, and.
Speaker 5: You will call it pete and you'll call it.
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 6: Kara said, such a good topic for this new moon,
Speaker 6: bring that power back to yourself.
Speaker 4: Amen's sister.
Speaker 5: That's right.
Speaker 4: So yeah, we'll get into that story now. All right.
Speaker 6: So this past weekend at bro Grove, we went out
Speaker 6: to Florida, which is it was like an hour outside
Speaker 6: of Orlando, so pretty pretty close to Orlando, and so
Speaker 6: flew in went to Brohemian Grove that night. We got
Speaker 6: in Friday morning. Friday night we had our panel at
Speaker 6: Brohemian Grove where me and Jacob we got up on
Speaker 6: stage and we talked for like an hour, hour and
Speaker 6: fifteen minutes or something like that, and it was just
Speaker 6: all about aliens.
Speaker 4: What are they? You know?
Speaker 6: Of course you had a lot of Christians there, so
Speaker 6: they all believe that, you know, it was demons or
Speaker 6: evil entities or something like that, which I was like,
Speaker 6: come on, dude, you can't open up your third eye,
Speaker 6: you know, like just stop thinking that everything's evil for
Speaker 6: one second. So yeah, we got up there. We called
Speaker 6: on a bunch of people. Dude, we caught on Donut,
Speaker 6: which was really cool to actually see him in person.
Speaker 4: We called on a.
Speaker 6: Bunch of awesome people. There was these people called the
Speaker 6: Biblical Hitmen, which they were pretty cool. Who else was
Speaker 6: up there? The paranoid American His name was Thomas. I've
Speaker 6: had him on the Cult as well, and a bunch
Speaker 6: of other people, and it was really cool getting to know, like,
Speaker 6: and you know, see how these people are in person,
Speaker 6: because I've talked to him for years, you know, on
Speaker 6: on podcasts and stuff, but seeing him in person, especially Donut,
Speaker 6: like he was the most I was most excited to
Speaker 6: meet Donut because he, dude, he's always been diving into
Speaker 6: the esoteric and the Illuminati and all of that kind
Speaker 6: of stuff. And that's why that's my ship whenever it
Speaker 6: comes to conspiracy. I want to know the esoteric meaning
Speaker 6: behind a lot of it, you know. And so it
Speaker 6: was really cool because after we had him on the panel,
Speaker 6: and after we were done with the panel, Donut came
Speaker 6: up to me. He goes, dude, you are you guys
Speaker 6: are really good and I was like really because I
Speaker 6: was shipping my pants up on stage, you know, like
Speaker 6: I was scared shitless. But yeah, it came out really
Speaker 6: good and so we were really proud of that. So anyway,
Speaker 6: we ended up going back to the Airbnb. Me, Jacob
Speaker 6: and a couple other people ended up going back the
Speaker 6: Spirit Animal. If you've listened to the Cult of Conspiracy
Speaker 6: live show, Spirit Animal is always there. We got to
Speaker 6: meet him in person. He's exactly like you would expect,
Speaker 6: just a wild fucking wild man. Really cool guy though,
Speaker 6: and enough said, Steph was there, which was really cool.
Speaker 6: And so yeah, after everybody was winding down, I looked
Speaker 6: over at Steph and I was like, it's that time,
Speaker 6: and she was then she knew like that's what she
Speaker 6: was staying for, because we were gonna we were gonna
Speaker 6: do psychedelics together or for Raco, really is what we did.
Speaker 4: And so we did it.
Speaker 6: And I was like, look, it's it's gonna come on
Speaker 6: within fifteen or twenty minutes. It's gonna hit you pretty fast.
Speaker 6: And I said, whenever it does, just close your eyes
Speaker 6: and don't say anything. Just just observe. Observe that's all.
Speaker 6: Just become. Just be awareness. Don't don't have any anything
Speaker 6: to do in your mind at all, just be the observer,
Speaker 6: right and so, and it was funny because we sat
Speaker 6: on like we we were sitting like she sat in
Speaker 6: a recliner. I was sitting on a couch, and I
Speaker 6: would every so often I would open my eyes to
Speaker 6: just get a little peer at her to see how
Speaker 6: she's reacting to it, you know. And dude, the entire time,
Speaker 6: she was grinning from ear to ear, like absolute solace,
Speaker 6: so much solitude, so much peace and happiness and understanding.
Speaker 6: You know, Like I could tell that that's what was
Speaker 6: going on because I was feeling it too.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: It was something that whenever you're there, and I mean, yeah.
Speaker 5: There natural state, just happy and smiling, oh dude, I mean.
Speaker 6: And the visuals are awesome, don't get me wrong, but
Speaker 6: that's secondary. Not of it that secondary because I'm telling
Speaker 6: you you like psychedelics and I, I mean, this is
Speaker 6: just my own personal opinion. This, this is my experience.
Speaker 6: Psychedelics bring you back to that level of understanding, like
Speaker 6: to where you don't you don't question anything. You know
Speaker 6: what's going on now, like and and there's like a
Speaker 6: bunch of epiphanies that that go on like so and
Speaker 6: one of the epiphanies that I had was like because
Speaker 6: whenever I was sitting there on the couch and I
Speaker 6: you know, I closed my eyes and I went inward.
Speaker 4: It was like, Wow, if.
Speaker 6: Aliens were ever going to come, they would just come
Speaker 6: in the moment and they they they almost exist like
Speaker 6: outside of time, you know, call it aliens or spirits
Speaker 6: or gods or whatever. If anybody was going to come,
Speaker 6: this is how they would do it because they would
Speaker 6: enter this space. And this is just you know, maybe
Speaker 6: my mind just tripping. I don't know, this is your
Speaker 6: mind on drugues. But but that was like my understanding
Speaker 6: is that they could almost like pause time because they
Speaker 6: exist outside of time. And that's where you see like
Speaker 6: all the interdimensional shit, the you know, the orbs or
Speaker 6: the the UFOs they pop in and then they pop
Speaker 6: out of existence kind of thing, and that was kind
Speaker 6: of where my mind went. And uh, it was. It
Speaker 6: was pretty awesome. But after a while, I you know,
Speaker 6: I saw Stephanie started to open up her eyes and
Speaker 6: I was like, hey, you want to see something even
Speaker 6: cooler than that.
Speaker 4: Let's go outside.
Speaker 5: I was like, let's go outside, right, dude.
Speaker 6: She takes one step outside the front door and she
Speaker 6: looks down at the grass and she is giggling like crazy,
Speaker 6: and I was like, what are you laughing at? And
Speaker 6: she was like, dude, the fucking grass is so green.
Speaker 4: And I was like, I'm.
Speaker 5: Telling you it is.
Speaker 6: I know, and it sounds ridiculous, but it's just because
Speaker 6: it amplifies everything.
Speaker 5: Just appreciate it more.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you get into that level of appreciation because everything
Speaker 6: is so beautiful, Like every single thing is so beautiful,
Speaker 6: the night sky, the trees, the grass, like something as
Speaker 6: silly as just the grass. Appreciating appreciating it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: It was really it was really fun.
Speaker 6: And I said, you know what, let's I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 6: gonna read you in here a little bit on what
Speaker 6: me and Sean do whenever we do psychedelics together. And
Speaker 6: I said, let's go walk out in the street and
Speaker 6: I was like, just look up at the sky. And
Speaker 6: so we were looking up at the sky and we
Speaker 6: were like, oh my god, there is something extra going
Speaker 6: on right now, you know. And I said, I said,
Speaker 6: you know what's funny is that me and and I
Speaker 6: kind of want to get your you know, your thoughts
Speaker 6: on this. And I said, what me and Sean came
Speaker 6: to the conclusion was was that it almost feels like
Speaker 6: whenever you're staring up at the sky when you're on psychedelics,
Speaker 6: that there's Papa Razzi and because it's just like a
Speaker 6: bunch of everything. And she started busting out laughing. She
Speaker 6: was like, holy shit, I was just thinking that right
Speaker 6: and saw she was able to see. Yeah, she felt
Speaker 6: that she saw it right. And so we, you know,
Speaker 6: we just started talking and very in depth kind of talking, right,
Speaker 6: like conversations you don't just have with surface level, you
Speaker 6: know kind of people, you know, and we're going in
Speaker 6: on each other about each other's lives and in depth
Speaker 6: kind of stuff. It was really nice actually, until so
Speaker 6: we were leaning up against the car that I rented
Speaker 6: right and it was parked out in the street and
Speaker 6: we were looking up at one corner of the sky.
Speaker 6: And when we were looking up there, we saw it.
Speaker 6: Or I was like, holy shit, did you see that?
Speaker 6: And she goes, yeah, what was that? And and I
Speaker 6: was like, you know, that's what electro Nick calls the homies,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the homies.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, And so she was seeing it, and and
Speaker 6: so it was like really cool. But then they kept
Speaker 6: on happening and happening and happening, and it was just dude,
Speaker 6: I mean non stop. We saw twenty or thirty of
Speaker 6: them in one night, like within an hour, and it
Speaker 6: was like they were popping up almost every minute or
Speaker 6: every other minute there for a little while, almost to
Speaker 6: the point where we were like, oh, it's not even
Speaker 6: that crazy to even look at that portion of the
Speaker 6: sky that you're gonna say.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we were like what is that then?
Speaker 6: And and some of them were, you know, brighter, some
Speaker 6: of them were a little bit more dim, some of
Speaker 6: them would fade a little faster, some of them would
Speaker 6: stick around a little bit more often, but they all
Speaker 6: seem to be going the same general direction of the
Speaker 6: sky over knee or over the forested area, right, and
Speaker 6: it was literally we were looking all over the sky,
Speaker 6: didn't see him anywhere except for this one position in
Speaker 6: the sky. And Stephanie was just like, you know, it
Speaker 6: almost gives kind of like the vibe that like they're working,
Speaker 6: like they're doing that. It's like, you're probably right, I don't.
Speaker 5: Know, contractors of this reality just kind of making sure
Speaker 5: everything stays together for us.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and so it was really cool and then we
Speaker 6: do we just ended up talking for like three hours
Speaker 6: after that.
Speaker 5: It was just awesome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a great night.
Speaker 5: I'm glad she was able to see the stars and
Speaker 5: the paparazzi do because I feel like, yeah, sure you'll
Speaker 5: see some visuals when you close your eyes and you'll
Speaker 5: see the trees and you will feel like some sort
Speaker 5: of connection to a tree that doesn't even make sense
Speaker 5: to you, but in the moment it's so real. But
Speaker 5: when you look at the stars, dude, it's probably the
Speaker 5: most majestic experience you'll ever have, you know, just and
Speaker 5: I'm part of that. Yeah, and just I love it, you.
Speaker 4: Know, separate from it.
Speaker 6: And so that was that was really our experience. It
Speaker 6: was really good, and you know, I kind of came
Speaker 6: to my own conclusion that I was like, Dude, I've
Speaker 6: been waiting so long to trip again, Like I like
Speaker 6: it almost like my last DMT trip almost scared me
Speaker 6: from doing it again on some real shit, and you know,
Speaker 6: I was really hesitant, and I was like, man, I
Speaker 6: really don't want that to happen again, you know, like
Speaker 6: kind of you know.
Speaker 5: Oh, you know, it's not going to go there for
Speaker 5: you with the at least with the four Aco but
Speaker 5: but yeah, I can still understand the concern.
Speaker 6: And and I asked Steph afterward and I was like,
Speaker 6: because the last bro growth, she came and we we
Speaker 6: all did d like actual d MT, and then this
Speaker 6: trip we did the four Aco d MT, and I
Speaker 6: was like, which one do you like better? And she goes,
Speaker 6: fucking this by a mile oh, And I was like
Speaker 6: I feel the same exact way. Sure, So yeah, I
Speaker 6: really really cool experience. But yeah, that was that was that.
Speaker 6: And after Dude, in the middle of it, I was like,
Speaker 6: oh my god, what have I.
Speaker 4: Waited so long for?
Speaker 5: This is what I love?
Speaker 6: Like it was it's just so majestic, it's so it's dude,
Speaker 6: It's one of the most spiritual things that you can ever, ever,
Speaker 6: ever experience. You know, we can all meditate, we can
Speaker 6: all dream, we can all have deja vu, we can
Speaker 6: all see synchronicities, but you're not fully encapsulated into three
Speaker 6: plus hours, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Like it is as spiritual as it gets, bro.
Speaker 6: And I was thinking too that, like like, dude, that's
Speaker 6: where we go when we die, Like like I don't
Speaker 6: even question it anymore.
Speaker 5: That's space the treehouse, right, yeah, you know that's the
Speaker 5: thing that I don't understand. Well, I guess I kind
Speaker 5: of do understand. But like you can go into a
Speaker 5: dark room and you don't see the paparazzi. As soon
Speaker 5: as you look at the stars, that's all you see.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's everywhere. It's like glitter, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, Like what is that? You know?
Speaker 6: What's funny to do is that sometimes I'll even go outside,
Speaker 6: just on a random night or whatever.
Speaker 4: And I swear I.
Speaker 6: Get like little like little glimmers of paparazzi, you know,
Speaker 6: like whatever that is, and which.
Speaker 5: Flash right yeah, yeah, like just out of the corner
Speaker 5: of my eye. You know, I've seen them like right
Speaker 5: in front of me. Dude, It'll just flash and I'm
Speaker 5: looking in that general area. It wasn't like I had
Speaker 5: just because you know, you've had those moments where you
Speaker 5: look over and you see something that was in the
Speaker 5: corner of your eye and it's like real quick, but
Speaker 5: like I'll be staring in a general direction and just
Speaker 5: see a little like and I'm like what, you know,
Speaker 5: Sometimes I'm like I might be losing it.
Speaker 6: Well, and we've we've thought about it before, like whenever
Speaker 6: we're looking up and we're seeing that, are we kind
Speaker 6: of seeing beyond the veil of what's really actually there?
Speaker 6: Like are we seeing multiple dimensions or multiple realities or
Speaker 6: is it just like what's beyond the veil of our
Speaker 6: current understanding with our physical eyes that we can't see
Speaker 6: all of that unless like we did with the whole
Speaker 6: DMTX episode where you have access to ninety percent as
Speaker 6: opposed to ten percent of your brain.
Speaker 5: Right right, And this is why I said, as far
Speaker 5: as looking into a room with no lights on, it's
Speaker 5: completely pitch black, you know, because in my mind, I'm like,
Speaker 5: you know, maybe we're seeing all these different flashes because
Speaker 5: we're looking in like at this big sky and it's dark,
Speaker 5: you know, and so our mind is able to pick
Speaker 5: up on certain things like that or or manifest that
Speaker 5: for us to experience. But when you go into a
Speaker 5: dark room, you don't see that. It's only when you're
Speaker 5: looking out there. Yeah, so that's why I'm led to
Speaker 5: believe that it is some sort of veil going away.
Speaker 5: You know, the ego is not really fully operating at
Speaker 5: I mean, I would probably say hardly at all during
Speaker 5: that time. And so now you're just more connected, you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, and that's you know what's funny too, is
Speaker 6: that right before we started tripping, or I think once
Speaker 6: we had already taken it and we were waiting for
Speaker 6: it to come about.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I told Steph, I was like, look, whatever happens, just
Speaker 6: surrender to it, Like, don't fight it. Just go with
Speaker 6: the flow of whatever you're seeing is happening. You're meant
Speaker 6: to see it. It's not out of line, it's not
Speaker 6: out of order. You were meant to be in this
Speaker 6: moment right here, right now, and just know that. Don't
Speaker 6: even question you, you know it. And and so yeah,
Speaker 6: it went really well. And afterwards, actually yeah, afterwards she
Speaker 6: said she was like, dude, Like whenever she was getting
Speaker 6: in her car and getting ready to go back to
Speaker 6: her hotel. She was like, thank you for being my
Speaker 6: shopman tonight. That's the last time somebody said that to me.
Speaker 5: That's awesome, dude, Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 4: I don't so uh sean.
Speaker 6: We got a tarot, sir, oh, I absolutely do.
Speaker 5: We got the four of swords.
Speaker 6: I kind of had a feeling that it was going
Speaker 6: to be swords. Actually really yeah, because we actually oh yeah,
Speaker 6: that's right, we actually drew.
Speaker 4: So I shuffled some taro. Dude, we got to try
Speaker 4: this next time.
Speaker 6: So I shuffled some tarot rate before we were about
Speaker 6: to trip, and I said, I want us to We're
Speaker 6: gonna draw a tarot card, and I want us to
Speaker 6: both meditate on this while we're tripping, Like, meditate on
Speaker 6: the meaning of it. I don't even remember what the
Speaker 6: card was now, but I think it was a sword.
Speaker 4: But all right, so what was it? The four of swords?
Speaker 5: Yes, sir, damn, I just turned right to it right up.
Speaker 4: Too, all right, the four of swords.
Speaker 6: Pausing to relax and rest your thoughts is a necessary
Speaker 6: part of life. After this, you'll be able to move
Speaker 6: forward with greater energy and a clear mind. You are
Speaker 6: exhausted from an intense experience, so the Four of Swords
Speaker 6: asked you to take time to look within yourself, rest
Speaker 6: and recuperate. The night is oh, there's a night on
Speaker 6: the card that's laying down, So the night is depicted
Speaker 6: as an effigy atop a tomb. Yet this card does
Speaker 6: not signify death. Instead, it symbolizes deep rest. The nights
Speaker 6: hands are clasped in a prayer pose that is used
Speaker 6: in meditation, yoga, and various religions. The tomb itself evokes
Speaker 6: silence and time away from the noise of the world.
Speaker 6: The swords hung on the wall ask the knight to
Speaker 6: let his battle weapons rest, while one sword remains beneath
Speaker 6: the night, signifying that he is quick to react when needed.
Speaker 6: The spiritual message behind it says, carving out a quiet
Speaker 6: time to meditate and focus on your spiritual path will
Speaker 6: do you a world of good. Incorporating more solitude and
Speaker 6: self reflection into your life greatly affects your overall happiness
Speaker 6: and well being. A card of recovery, the Four of
Speaker 6: Swords could be related to a period of recuperation from
Speaker 6: illness or a time of seeking medical treatment, therapy, or counseling.
Speaker 6: The upright. Key positions are rest and introspection. The numerology,
Speaker 6: since it is a four of swords, is structure and stability. Dude,
Speaker 6: I kind of feel like that was on some uh
Speaker 6: go ahead, perfect the perfect card, I think.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought it was a really good one.
Speaker 5: So the one and what I was looking at was
Speaker 5: the you know, you hang up the three swords, right,
Speaker 5: and then you still have the one sort, but the
Speaker 5: one sword that's with you is the same color, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. And so when you when you
Speaker 5: rest your mind and stop digging too far into your
Speaker 5: own thoughts and getting bogged down, you know, you you
Speaker 5: I feel like that other sword is just your higher self,
Speaker 5: you know, or your dame on because you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: I just like the idea of the rest and like
Speaker 6: recuperation kind of period, you know, which is what we
Speaker 6: always talk about with meditation.
Speaker 4: That's really what that does. You know.
Speaker 6: It's like a temporary little rest that you give yourself
Speaker 6: throughout the days or you're not really worried so much
Speaker 6: about like the worldly things, and you can kind of
Speaker 6: go in and guiet the noise and gather yourself all
Speaker 6: over again. So I think that was really speaking on meditation,
Speaker 6: and I mean maybe you just need a long ass
Speaker 6: sleep too, you know, like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe dude, you just need some rest, you know,
Speaker 5: find that space between the notes, man the n betwixt.
Speaker 5: That's it. That's right.
Speaker 6: Asia said, where does one obtain for echo d MT?
Speaker 6: Asking for scientific purposes, of course, and Kara said, I
Speaker 6: would also like to know for mystical and educational purposes only.
Speaker 4: Of course.
Speaker 6: Yeah, of course, you guys are my people. I love it. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I may have to say that off air. I don't
Speaker 6: know if I can say the little on the show.
Speaker 6: We'll see, but.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, well I guess we're gonna wrap it
Speaker 4: up right there.
Speaker 6: We're gonna get over to the meditation will reconvene a
Speaker 6: little bit afterward, and so maybe stick around if you
Speaker 6: want that answer, because I can't say it while we're
Speaker 6: shooting the.
Speaker 5: Show, dude. You know, final thoughts, dude. I thought that
Speaker 5: was a great episode and it was very informative, and
Speaker 5: I think it kind of it makes sense, dude. You know,
Speaker 5: you put your your intentions and your awareness into a night,
Speaker 5: you know, and it and it becomes real, you know,
Speaker 5: and I love it. It's, uh, this was perfect for me.
Speaker 5: It's almost like sometimes I feel like you're doing these
Speaker 5: shows just for me. That's what it feels like.
Speaker 4: I hope everybody feels that way.
Speaker 5: I'm sure a lot of them do.
Speaker 6: Even from like a selfish perspective. I kind of you know,
Speaker 6: it does wonders for me too, And that's really like
Speaker 6: what inspires me to even do research for shows like
Speaker 6: this in the first place is because I want to know, right,
Speaker 6: you know, and fully, like when else are you ever
Speaker 6: going to like have a couple of hours to sit
Speaker 6: down and like research a topic and then a couple
Speaker 6: more hours to talk about the topic. And it's like,
Speaker 6: you know, we we built a pretty awesome kind of
Speaker 6: like alley or a bridge or something like that that
Speaker 6: allows us to really go in deep on these kind
Speaker 6: of topics.
Speaker 5: Of our own personal treathouse. Dude, that's what I like
Speaker 5: to call it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Kara said, We'll just have to bring the one
Speaker 6: together sometime. Yeah, I've been thinking about doing that.
Speaker 4: Actually.
Speaker 6: They have like a bunch of different conferences all over
Speaker 6: the world, like spiritual or UFO conferences. You always see like, uh,
Speaker 6: your girl Sarah Brestman cosme she wrote The Hypnotist Journey
Speaker 6: to Atlantis and The Hypnotist Journey to the Sphinx. I've
Speaker 6: had her on the show before. You'll see bashar at
Speaker 6: like these sort of convention Kyle style things, and so
Speaker 6: we may have to get involved in that.
Speaker 5: That would be cool.
Speaker 6: And technically we're still babies in the spiritual world, like
Speaker 6: in the Spiritual Podcast kind of you absolute, but we're
Speaker 6: gonna get there.
Speaker 5: That's my goal.
Speaker 6: It's our goal to be one of the best of
Speaker 6: all time whatever it comes to anything, sir, of course. Yeah.
Speaker 6: But anyway, all right, well yeah, we'll we'll get to
Speaker 6: that meditation right in a jiffy. But uh, sean anything
Speaker 6: else you wanted to throw in there to wrap it
Speaker 6: up for anybody that.
Speaker 5: Doesn't want to, I'm just grateful, you know, to the one,
Speaker 5: and you know, to you guys here for the live
Speaker 5: You know that you guys take time out of your
Speaker 5: day to listen to us try to figure things out,
Speaker 5: and just thank you guys.
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Speaker 6: going to get more faster direct access to those without
Speaker 6: commercial interruptions. So yeah, other than that, we're gonna wrap
Speaker 6: it up right there. And I guess what we can
Speaker 6: say is that if the Damon came here and he
Speaker 6: taught you anything, it's.
Speaker 4: That you don't know what you don't know. So I'll
Speaker 4: just get weird, stay.
Speaker 2: Weird, side every color, swell the stars in line in.
Speaker 5: The mysteries your far Yeah, buddy, hmm. I like how
Speaker 5: we uh, we come out of meditation and away from
Speaker 5: our higher self and we're already vaping, like instantly back
Speaker 5: to our physical attachments, you know, I know, damn it. Yeah, well,
Speaker 5: you know, whatever, we're working on it. We'll quit one
Speaker 5: day today, It's just not that day.
Speaker 6: Two days, sir. Yeah, I tell you what, though, they're like, man,
Speaker 6: that was a really uh that was a really good
Speaker 6: one because it had been a minute since I had
Speaker 6: meditated because the last show that you know, I did,
Speaker 6: we couldn't get together. It was already really late whenever
Speaker 6: we were gonna whenever I was planning on us doing
Speaker 6: a show, so I had to run it by myself.
Speaker 5: So uh, I felt like that show came out great
Speaker 5: and exactly how it was supposed to be, you know,
Speaker 5: but that's just my opinion.
Speaker 6: Well, I appreciate that. It's uh, it was. It was
Speaker 6: kind of nerve wracking doing the show by myself like
Speaker 6: that because it's been so long since i'd done one,
Speaker 6: like just not having anybody to bounce ideas off of
Speaker 6: and stay right, No.
Speaker 5: You did good, dude, you did good. You always kill.
Speaker 6: It, thank you sir. But yeah, so I didn't even
Speaker 6: do a meditation in that one because I was already
Speaker 6: so damn tired.
Speaker 5: Dude.
Speaker 6: It was like two thirty in the morning by the
Speaker 6: time I got done shooting that one.
Speaker 5: Dude.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was a long one. But this, yeah, this
Speaker 6: felt really good to go into a meditation, I tell
Speaker 6: you what, dude, Like I wasn't even trying to really
Speaker 6: figure anything out. Like I was just like, let me
Speaker 6: go in and just unplug for a minute and just
Speaker 6: like be dude, just be nothing for twenty minutes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you don't have to steer the ship, dude, just
Speaker 5: kind of let it, let it present itself. That's my favorite.
Speaker 6: However, once I got there, of course I had some questions,
Speaker 6: and uh so I was like, all right, I'm calmed
Speaker 6: all the way down now that I should be able
Speaker 6: to talk to the damon or to the higher self
Speaker 6: right now, show me what that is. And of course
Speaker 6: I had some you know, more personal kind of questions,
Speaker 6: which whatever, I don't really care. You know, I can,
Speaker 6: I can divulge personal shit. I don't really care what anybody.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: I'm not worried about judgment of any sorts. Y'all know
Speaker 6: my life is crazy. But yeah, I was kind of
Speaker 6: just going in. I was like, all right, you know,
Speaker 6: like because I think everybody's really on there, everybody wants
Speaker 6: to find like their person, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: And I'm kind of at a point in my life
Speaker 6: right now where I'm just like, you know what, dude,
Speaker 6: I just really like not even worried about that, and
Speaker 6: so that was kind of like, you know, what I'd
Speaker 6: gotten I was. It was just more so like don't
Speaker 6: even I don't even worry about anybody, don't worry about
Speaker 6: anything or anything like that. Like, just keep doing what
Speaker 6: you're doing and kind of try and figure out how
Speaker 6: to balance the self, and then whenever that time comes,
Speaker 6: it'll be the time, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's how it works. Man. You know,
Speaker 5: when I when I met my wife, was at a
Speaker 5: point due where I was just kind of doing my
Speaker 5: own thing, you know, and I just kind of stopped
Speaker 5: looking for somebody and all of a sudden, dude, out
Speaker 5: of nowhere, if fate would have it, you know, just
Speaker 5: the way that it even, just the way that it happened,
Speaker 5: it was just kind of unusual anyways. But but yeah,
Speaker 5: I think that's when when the magic happens, when you
Speaker 5: when you stop trying so hard, you know, just let
Speaker 5: it happen. Man. Yeah, whatever whatever happens.
Speaker 6: You're gonna have to tell that story sometime, because that
Speaker 6: was a crazy series of events that happened.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, at some point I guess it will. But yeah,
Speaker 5: just the way that it happened, dude, was just like,
Speaker 5: I don't know, you couldn't have I couldn't have planned that,
Speaker 5: you know, just the timing, talk about divine time and
Speaker 5: how it played out, and so yeah, dude, just uh
Speaker 5: just chill out, you know, chill let it be.
Speaker 4: Yeah baby.
Speaker 5: Another thing another thing that.
Speaker 6: I noticed too, was so I got to a point
Speaker 6: after that to where I was like, all right, because
Speaker 6: they always say that whenever you're meditating, try and like literally,
Speaker 6: like with your physical eyes, try and look at your.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I never do that. I love doing it.
Speaker 6: It's because it's pretty awesome because I almost feel like
Speaker 6: it secretes a little bit more when you do it.
Speaker 5: In my mind, I don't know, you believe that's what's happening.
Speaker 6: I feel like my eyes pointing in that direction is
Speaker 6: almost like.
Speaker 5: Debating it, Like, oh dude, looking at me.
Speaker 6: It's like an unlocking that door and just opening it
Speaker 6: up and seeing what's going on.
Speaker 5: But whenever I'm going in there just starts cranking on something.
Speaker 5: He's like, he's looking, you know.
Speaker 6: It's like off of Oh damn, what was the name
Speaker 6: of that Jim Carrey movie where it was like a
Speaker 6: fictional reality. I can never remember the name.
Speaker 5: Of that I have no idea. Oh, oh the Truman Show.
Speaker 4: Truman Show.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, he goes into the room and it's like
Speaker 6: people are working behind the set. He's like, oh shit,
Speaker 6: you know a little bit. Yeah, it's like his little
Speaker 6: machine elves that are just like but yeah, it was.
Speaker 6: It was pretty cool. And what I noticed was is like,
Speaker 6: whenever you really focus on that and you're just trying
Speaker 6: to like physically look at dude, I almost was like
Speaker 6: I could see a little like snake symbolism with that,
Speaker 6: because if you think about it from your point of view,
Speaker 6: from where your eyes are and you're looking up, it
Speaker 6: almost looks like a snake head that's pointed down.
Speaker 5: So fucking weird. We saw the same thing. Really, I
Speaker 5: thought that, but I was like, that's kind of weird.
Speaker 5: And then I started to like just let go and
Speaker 5: let things happen. But I saw like the little you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, I don't know, but I had
Speaker 5: the same thought.
Speaker 6: Wow, I sent that over to you.
Speaker 5: It was like it was like a like, I don't know,
Speaker 5: almost like the face, but it was real big, you know, yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like almost like a copper head kind of snake head,
Speaker 6: you know, yeah, like a wide head and it's looking
Speaker 6: down at you this way as you're looking up at it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a trip. Holy shit, What are the chances?
Speaker 5: I don't know we're connected? Dude? Up, but then we
Speaker 5: all are, you know.
Speaker 6: Eh, we're all one anyway.
Speaker 4: All Right, Well, I guess you know, we can probably
Speaker 4: wrap it up there.
Speaker 6: And uh yeah, I think we're we're We actually have
Speaker 6: another show tomorrow night. It's not gonna be a live show,
Speaker 6: but who it was gonna be something somebody is so interesting?
Speaker 5: Who was that?
Speaker 6: Oh that's right, We're getting somebody on to talk about
Speaker 6: his psychedelic journeys with iboga or I'm a gain as
Speaker 6: some people call it. But oh okay, which is essentially
Speaker 6: it's like, dude, it's like ayahuasca, but way more intense,
Speaker 6: and but it's for people that like have addictions.
Speaker 4: So he's gonna be coming on, dude.
Speaker 6: He's just he seems like one of the more fascinating
Speaker 6: kind of guys because he's like, I I went through
Speaker 6: some ship and then I've seen some shit, you.
Speaker 5: Know, yeah, yeah yeah, And so.
Speaker 6: He's like an iboga shaman. Oh wow, dude, that's gonna
Speaker 6: be a good.
Speaker 5: More intense than ayahuasca.
Speaker 6: All right, yeah, because it beats you up while you're
Speaker 6: in there. Oh no, yeah, dude, you want to talk
Speaker 6: about like, I'm not six hours of getting your ass kicked.
Speaker 6: I'm happy. I'm happy. I don't have any crazy addictions
Speaker 6: like that. Maybe I can go there for nicotine. That
Speaker 6: probably be a good idea.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, you do have an addiction, then, yeah, that'd
Speaker 5: be good to be enlightened on. Dude, you know, because
Speaker 5: I you know, food, nicotine, you know.
Speaker 6: Oh, dude, that's what all the all the I begain
Speaker 6: users like that, all the people who have you know,
Speaker 6: gone through the ceremonies. It's literally for that. And they say, dude,
Speaker 6: once you come out like it's nothing to kick hero
Speaker 6: it's nothing to kick coke or meth or any of
Speaker 6: these like real bad maybe yeah, pain pills, whatever it is,
Speaker 6: it's like it becomes so clear and like they say,
Speaker 6: because I believe that there's a whole purging kind of
Speaker 6: situation going on at the same time too, because most times,
Speaker 6: and I've been around people who were, you know, like
Speaker 6: people close to me that were addicted to heroin or
Speaker 6: addicted to meth or addicted to alcohol or and shit
Speaker 6: like that and it's so dude, it sucks because it
Speaker 6: takes over that person, you know, and and you know,
Speaker 6: whenever you're trying to clean up from that, dude, those
Speaker 6: people have to go through literal pain and agony when
Speaker 6: especially like off a heroin for sure, whenever you're yeah,
Speaker 6: because you almost gotta fucking put them like in a
Speaker 6: straight jacket and a padded room for two weeks, and
Speaker 6: it's like that much hell is going on whenever you're
Speaker 6: trying to get off of it. And they say, once
Speaker 6: you do ebogo literally one time, the next day the
Speaker 6: addiction's gone.
Speaker 4: Really yeah, it's like that into ship dude. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's in size the demon man.
Speaker 6: Fuck that demon hands dude. So yeah, we're gonna have
Speaker 6: that conversation tomorrow and that should be uh by the
Speaker 6: weekend at some point, probably Friday, I would imagine, for
Speaker 6: all the Patreon users anyway, everybody else, y'all gotta wait.
Speaker 4: Till one day.
Speaker 6: That's just a little bit, you know, you know, but
Speaker 6: our alright, well, yeah, I guess we'll wrap it up
Speaker 6: there and we will.
Speaker 5: See y'all on the flip side, bye, guys.
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