1
00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,399
Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to side Quest. This is our video

2
00:00:21,399 --> 00:00:24,199
game show here at geek Versus. I'm your host Dyl Muss,

3
00:00:24,199 --> 00:00:27,120
and I have with me the guitar wielding Travis.

4
00:00:27,199 --> 00:00:28,600
Speaker 2: Now, how are you doing tonight, my friend?

5
00:00:29,039 --> 00:00:31,399
Speaker 3: I am doing well. I'm excited we get to talk

6
00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,759
about further, continue to talk about destranding because I always

7
00:00:33,799 --> 00:00:37,759
like talking desk stranding. And yeah, no, I'm I'm excited

8
00:00:37,799 --> 00:00:39,280
to hear some of your thoughts because last week there

9
00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,880
was lots of pins and needles, lots of just okay,

10
00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,920
not want to say too much, purposely saying vague stuff

11
00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,079
or saying something might get you off the scent. But no,

12
00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,159
I'm I'm very excited to be talking about this, So yeah,

13
00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:50,719
I can't wait.

14
00:00:51,759 --> 00:00:52,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, good, good set up there.

15
00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,399
Speaker 1: So of course, we already did one episode on desk

16
00:00:55,399 --> 00:00:58,520
stranding too, which was pretty meaty and we did talk

17
00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,479
about a lot of things pretty deep to the store,

18
00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,920
but I hadn't finished the actual narrative yet rolled credits,

19
00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:05,959
and I now have, so we're back to do that.

20
00:01:06,159 --> 00:01:09,079
There was also a second regular scheduled side Quest this

21
00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:10,959
week as well, so you can go back to check

22
00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:12,760
that out. You should definitely listen to that desk stranding

23
00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,439
first review before this one, I think, because that'll kind

24
00:01:15,439 --> 00:01:17,159
of tee up a lot of things we're gonna talk

25
00:01:17,159 --> 00:01:19,400
about here. And this episode's really gonna be full on

26
00:01:19,439 --> 00:01:23,120
spoilers immediately and we're gonna go deep into the story stuff,

27
00:01:23,159 --> 00:01:24,719
like pretty much right away. I have a bunch of

28
00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,120
gameplay and other random notes as well, but it's I

29
00:01:27,159 --> 00:01:28,799
think mostly gonna be focused on the story.

30
00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:30,280
Speaker 2: But I don't know. I think we'll probably both of

31
00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:31,840
other things that'll come up along the way.

32
00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,359
Speaker 3: And in case, because you never know how these especially

33
00:01:34,439 --> 00:01:38,719
my new Apple, like the podcast apps sometimes wait updates,

34
00:01:38,719 --> 00:01:40,680
the weight jumps, the things listens, like, there's times where

35
00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,280
it'll start listening to podcasts. Didn't even shoes. That's a

36
00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,680
whole different conversation, but just in case someone is here accidentally,

37
00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,040
we go to only about like chapter eight for the

38
00:01:50,359 --> 00:01:52,319
first episode, So if that would be a good gauge

39
00:01:52,319 --> 00:01:55,040
if you're that or before around that area, that's where

40
00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:56,719
you go, Okay, you jump in, We're awesoly if you're

41
00:01:56,719 --> 00:01:58,719
done now or you don't care, but just to give

42
00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,079
someone the preference if we do talk some story stuff,

43
00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,319
but it's only chapter eight, so in case you've listened

44
00:02:03,359 --> 00:02:04,760
this or you click on this, cause that might be

45
00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,680
you might be scrolling down the feed ray to you know,

46
00:02:07,799 --> 00:02:09,960
listen to some desk stranding and see this one first,

47
00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:11,960
but think, oh, I gotta go back, so plus that

48
00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,560
one has I think a lot more the I think

49
00:02:14,599 --> 00:02:17,120
it's worth the journey. It's a good I imagine it's

50
00:02:17,159 --> 00:02:18,840
gonna be a good one two punch, because that's kind

51
00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,479
of It's wasn't a retrospective, but it was much because

52
00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,479
there's lots of reflect on in the past six years

53
00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,759
since the first of this, So definitely listen to it.

54
00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad we did it this way too, because

55
00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,439
I feel like if we had an episode like we

56
00:02:31,479 --> 00:02:33,240
kind of did with that first review as well. But

57
00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:34,879
it's like, if you have all the story stuff, all

58
00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:36,919
the gameplay stuff, all the little things in between, the

59
00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,319
talking about the game leading up to it, talking what

60
00:02:39,319 --> 00:02:40,639
can we do for the sequel, it's like and it

61
00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:42,159
ends up being a lot, and then I feel like

62
00:02:42,199 --> 00:02:44,280
certain notes fall by the wayside, but like still things

63
00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:45,879
that are fun to bring up and talk about. But

64
00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,000
this is good to give us kind of two chances

65
00:02:48,039 --> 00:02:50,159
to go at this, And I mean I plan I'll

66
00:02:50,159 --> 00:02:51,719
continue to play this game, I guess to set up

67
00:02:51,719 --> 00:02:54,120
where I'm at now, I'm just under sixty hours, so

68
00:02:54,159 --> 00:02:56,439
obviously I have rolled credits on the game and then

69
00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:57,800
minor spoilery.

70
00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:58,960
Speaker 2: I guess if you're super early on.

71
00:02:59,039 --> 00:03:01,759
Speaker 1: I've gone back and I've now got like one hundred

72
00:03:01,759 --> 00:03:04,159
ccent completion of the Mexico area. I did like maxed

73
00:03:04,199 --> 00:03:08,280
out all the the Preppers there, did like whatever random

74
00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,479
things you needed to do for like any trophy stuff,

75
00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:12,400
and now I'm back in Australia. Right now, I'm kind

76
00:03:12,439 --> 00:03:14,960
of just finishing up the roads and high the highways

77
00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:15,560
and monoails.

78
00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:16,680
Speaker 2: That way, it'll be really easy for.

79
00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,000
Speaker 1: Me to plug through the rest of it, and I

80
00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,639
think I'm gonna try and get all the trophies. We'll

81
00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,879
see how how how annoying it is to get five

82
00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,400
star ranking with all the Preppers, it could be quite

83
00:03:24,439 --> 00:03:26,360
a lot. But right now, I'm kind of just finishing

84
00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,240
the Chiral network things that are not mandatory for the story,

85
00:03:29,319 --> 00:03:31,120
getting those highways up, and then I'm gonna just plug

86
00:03:31,199 --> 00:03:33,919
through a bunch of that stuff. But yeah, I'm still

87
00:03:35,159 --> 00:03:36,759
like I have I have a lot of issues with

88
00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,919
this game. Honestly, and I think it's a much weaker

89
00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,639
game overall for me than the first one, but I

90
00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,280
still do love it. It honestly is yeah, and but

91
00:03:44,479 --> 00:03:46,919
I still love that core gameplay loop where I still

92
00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,599
like it enough that it's just a it's a good

93
00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,560
like if I really want to zone in and focus,

94
00:03:51,599 --> 00:03:53,080
there's things to do, but I can also kind of

95
00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,159
turn my brain off and just like plug out some highways,

96
00:03:56,199 --> 00:03:57,360
get some you know, get some.

97
00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,240
Speaker 2: Metal, pick it up, go over here, do that.

98
00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:01,560
Speaker 1: So it's a good game to have, like I don't

99
00:04:01,599 --> 00:04:03,479
have a show on the background and play too, even

100
00:04:03,479 --> 00:04:06,199
though I think there is something special about really focusing

101
00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:07,919
all your attention to it, even if there is a

102
00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,719
lot of slow moments, and just living with that. So

103
00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,400
I don't know, it's been a mixed experience for me overall.

104
00:04:13,479 --> 00:04:14,439
Speaker 2: But I don't know.

105
00:04:14,439 --> 00:04:17,639
Speaker 1: You had already finished the story obviously by the time

106
00:04:17,639 --> 00:04:19,480
we did that first episode, and obviously you're being wary

107
00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:22,680
of spoilers, But I don't know any any now that

108
00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,600
you've had like another week or so to think on it.

109
00:04:24,639 --> 00:04:27,519
Any any just overall thoughts kind of reflecting on your

110
00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:28,560
time with this game so far.

111
00:04:29,079 --> 00:04:31,199
Speaker 3: No, No, I think more. I only got about one

112
00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,800
play session in a bit today because I went I

113
00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:38,959
went hard on those that like Monday to Honestly, i'd

114
00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,040
say until the Sunday because it beat the Sunday and

115
00:04:41,079 --> 00:04:43,120
then we did them, or maybe i'd beat the Saturday

116
00:04:43,519 --> 00:04:44,959
and the money we did the review. Yeah, I feel

117
00:04:44,959 --> 00:04:46,199
like I had one day break. So it was one

118
00:04:46,199 --> 00:04:47,879
of those where it's just like I think you're a

119
00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,399
little over me now I think like fifty five hours,

120
00:04:50,439 --> 00:04:52,600
but it was just like a continuous like okay, I'm going.

121
00:04:52,879 --> 00:04:54,240
So it did a little bit because there's still things

122
00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:55,839
I want to do and I'm like you, that's still

123
00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,360
my plan. This week's a little busy obviously, you know,

124
00:04:58,639 --> 00:05:00,279
you know got plans with you this week again, and

125
00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,720
I got the gimmick, like and I got my dad's seventieth.

126
00:05:02,759 --> 00:05:06,360
So there's gonna be some some space going on like Superman.

127
00:05:06,439 --> 00:05:08,240
But my hope is before don konn comes out. I

128
00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,319
don't know if I'll be able to. My goal is

129
00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,279
not to get five stars on all of them before

130
00:05:12,319 --> 00:05:14,519
don Kun comes out, because I don't mind everyonell after

131
00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,519
don Connor what not. Like just like the first one,

132
00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:17,879
this game is one that oh, I just want to

133
00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:19,480
go make some deliveries. I want to go see some

134
00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,439
scenic stuff. I'll pick it up. But I'll say, by

135
00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,920
like twenty twenty six, i'd like to have them all

136
00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:26,920
five stars. And that's one thing I will say. I

137
00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,879
feel like the ratings gope a lot easier this time.

138
00:05:29,879 --> 00:05:31,160
I felt like with the first which we kind of

139
00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,120
talk about in general, right with the first game, that

140
00:05:33,879 --> 00:05:37,040
almost everything seems a bit harder. It felt like those ones,

141
00:05:37,079 --> 00:05:39,720
and maybe again, maybe I have to curt tell that,

142
00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,560
because I feel like we tell those before. I gotten

143
00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,160
a lot more like S's or the Legends of Legends,

144
00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,519
where before a lot of more. If you're so, maybe

145
00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:48,160
that's it, maybe that's just it. But it feels like

146
00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,759
I'm getting it feels like almost every time I visit someone,

147
00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,079
I'm going up a star. Now. Granted, I got my

148
00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,279
big truck and I'm saving a lot of orders up

149
00:05:56,319 --> 00:05:58,480
so when I go there, I'm dropping tons of stuff off.

150
00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,759
But I kind of do that in person because and it's like, okay,

151
00:06:00,759 --> 00:06:02,959
now I've gone up a full start. Is one, you're

152
00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,720
improving that ranking, but then two, you're also getting some

153
00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:07,560
new good gear. Because that seems to be I think

154
00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,160
with almost there's a couple of times I've gone it

155
00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:10,839
where you get nothing or it's just like a little thing.

156
00:06:10,879 --> 00:06:13,600
But every time, or I'll say nine percent of the time,

157
00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,120
when you get a it's the shippers or whatever the receivers.

158
00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:18,800
There's a five star rating. When you get one of

159
00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:20,680
those stars filled up, they give you something new or

160
00:06:20,759 --> 00:06:22,639
an add on to the thing they already gave you.

161
00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,680
So which is like we talked about a couple of

162
00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,199
days ago. It's like what else could there be? Or

163
00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:27,040
just even the add ons?

164
00:06:27,079 --> 00:06:29,519
Speaker 1: Right, So I found this out just now as I

165
00:06:29,519 --> 00:06:30,920
was going through stuff. But you know how, there's like

166
00:06:30,959 --> 00:06:33,759
the the info tab where you can catch up on

167
00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:35,600
the story or just like I don't know, read through

168
00:06:35,639 --> 00:06:37,720
anything of the corpus right if you go there, because

169
00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,519
there's an entry for every one of the preppers and

170
00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,519
it tells you like, this is who the character is.

171
00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,079
This is like they have a weird name, like the

172
00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,079
dose or what does that mean? You can just learn that.

173
00:06:46,199 --> 00:06:49,160
But at the bottom it says maybe if you max

174
00:06:49,199 --> 00:06:52,639
out level with this person, you might get a silent sniper.

175
00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,439
So it actually tells you sometimes exactly what you're gonna

176
00:06:55,439 --> 00:06:57,639
get and obviously there might be different tiers, so there

177
00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,279
might be multiple things, but that's telling you, I think,

178
00:06:59,319 --> 00:07:01,879
what like the final level one is, or it might

179
00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:03,800
just tell you something a little more ambiguous, but yeah,

180
00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,319
it told me that for the loan. Commander told me

181
00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,560
I'll get a silent sniper when I max that out.

182
00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,519
So it's like I figured that would be the case

183
00:07:10,519 --> 00:07:11,920
because there's so many times in this game when you

184
00:07:11,959 --> 00:07:14,680
won't your sniper and doll mind's like that gun's really loud,

185
00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,839
by the way, you better not shoot that. It's like, well,

186
00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:18,360
I feel like that's hmpty at the fact that I

187
00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,680
maybe get a silence version of this later. But yeah,

188
00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,879
if you are wanting like a I just want to

189
00:07:22,879 --> 00:07:24,560
read through that like ooh, that sounds like an interesting

190
00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,519
type of gear. Maybe that would help me do the

191
00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,639
rest of these things. And then I don't know if

192
00:07:28,639 --> 00:07:31,160
it's this is the case, but I've seen some chatter

193
00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,519
about this online of maybe if you play on the

194
00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,399
highest difficulty and those star ratings might go up more

195
00:07:36,439 --> 00:07:38,879
because you can get like I think, on normal difficulty

196
00:07:38,839 --> 00:07:40,959
you can get like the legend rating for a delivery,

197
00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:42,879
But if you play on hard or Brutal, you can

198
00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,519
get like the Legend of Legend difficulty or rating, or

199
00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:46,920
if that's what you get.

200
00:07:46,759 --> 00:07:50,000
Speaker 2: The legend of Legend of Legend. Okay, it's called Legend

201
00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:50,959
of Legend of Legend.

202
00:07:51,079 --> 00:07:52,480
Speaker 3: Okay, so I'm not on Brutal one.

203
00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:54,879
Speaker 2: But I don't know if that actually correlates to more

204
00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:56,639
star power. But I do agree with you.

205
00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,439
Speaker 1: I feel like I am getting these rankings up pretty quickly,

206
00:07:59,439 --> 00:08:01,399
and I think part of that is back to this

207
00:08:01,439 --> 00:08:03,439
game being kind of easy even for the most part,

208
00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,720
and it's not really that hard to get the legend rating,

209
00:08:05,759 --> 00:08:08,600
Like it's very rare that I'm getting ninety percent of

210
00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,279
the time, I'm getting the Legend rating, and then like

211
00:08:11,279 --> 00:08:12,920
everything else is maybe an A, maybe a B.

212
00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,000
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever even gone lower than A before.

213
00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,040
Speaker 3: You're not getting Legends of Legend stuff.

214
00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,120
Speaker 2: I'm getting Legend of Legend of Legend.

215
00:08:19,519 --> 00:08:21,720
Speaker 3: Oh because you did go to Brutal, right, Okay, yeah,

216
00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,000
there you go. Yeah, Okay, I was gonna say.

217
00:08:25,519 --> 00:08:28,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, if it wasn't clear already full spoilers, We're

218
00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:30,040
not going to hold back on anything now.

219
00:08:30,079 --> 00:08:32,000
Speaker 1: Of course, there's things me and you haven't discovered about

220
00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,080
this game. Sure, but we've played through the main story

221
00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,000
and I think we should start there and then we

222
00:08:37,039 --> 00:08:39,519
can circle back to some other gameplayer or smaller things

223
00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,519
we want to talk about. Is there a particular place

224
00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:43,519
you want to go or do you want me to

225
00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,679
kick it off with a certain character or storyline.

226
00:08:47,039 --> 00:08:49,440
Speaker 3: You lead the way, sir. Let you you be the guide.

227
00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,360
Speaker 1: Let's start with neil Vanna. Neil Vanna and this character

228
00:08:53,399 --> 00:08:55,799
in this whole storyline here. So this is kind of

229
00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,960
what we talked about in that first episode of This

230
00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,159
is kind of the equivalent of the Mad Story where

231
00:09:00,159 --> 00:09:03,000
it's like it this doesn't really happen in.

232
00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:03,840
Speaker 2: The real world at real time.

233
00:09:03,919 --> 00:09:05,559
Speaker 1: This kind of you kind of get pulled into these

234
00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,679
giant tar pit different sequences. You kind of get three

235
00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,480
of these sequences, and then at the end of the game,

236
00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,000
or I guess throughout the game when anytime you're going

237
00:09:12,039 --> 00:09:14,200
to going up the elevator in the magell, and you'll

238
00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,159
often go into these quick little visions a little that's

239
00:09:17,159 --> 00:09:20,399
a raven moment where you see, you know, little flashes

240
00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,080
of something. And then at the end of the game,

241
00:09:22,159 --> 00:09:24,039
it very much is like like zooms in on the

242
00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,080
eye and all they need is a fun little sound cue.

243
00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:28,440
And then at the very end of the game, like

244
00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,159
I think it's even the post credit thing is when

245
00:09:30,159 --> 00:09:32,279
you get or mid credit or something, it's like the

246
00:09:32,399 --> 00:09:34,679
very last thing you see, is it finally all those

247
00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,080
little visions you've been getting, It shows you that sequence

248
00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,399
all at once, which kind of gives you the final

249
00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,399
reveals and all that. But this is an interesting thing

250
00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,440
of like the story and you know, to the point

251
00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,240
where I was at in the story, and obviously, good

252
00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,320
job on you for not spoiling anything for me in

253
00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,320
that first episode and just dropping good hints, but like

254
00:09:50,759 --> 00:09:53,519
the story setting up that well, obviously there isn't an

255
00:09:53,519 --> 00:09:56,840
affair that happens between Neil Vanna, who is a client

256
00:09:57,039 --> 00:10:00,879
of Lucy, Sam's wife, and they you know, had like

257
00:10:01,279 --> 00:10:03,919
I guess this connected pass from when there were kids

258
00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,399
in this war zone situation. They reconnect, and then there's

259
00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,480
kind of what it's hinting at is that lou is

260
00:10:10,519 --> 00:10:14,279
maybe not Sam's child, that is an affair baby. But

261
00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,679
then it's like the counter reveal of like, oh, thats

262
00:10:17,799 --> 00:10:19,960
actually is not the case. It is still Sam's baby

263
00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,879
even though this affairs still occurred. So that's kind of

264
00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:25,840
this whole storyline going on there. I do have a

265
00:10:25,919 --> 00:10:28,200
question about a Neil thing at the end, But I

266
00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,759
think what I said of like why where this game

267
00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,240
is lower for me than the first one. It's like

268
00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,679
I was not very emotional for much of any of

269
00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,559
the story of this game. Honestly, very little of it

270
00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:41,320
affected me in any sort of way. And I think

271
00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,279
a lot of it was just super convoluted or messy

272
00:10:43,399 --> 00:10:45,360
or didn't make sense. And there's a couple of things.

273
00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,679
I hopefully you can answer some questions for me, but

274
00:10:47,759 --> 00:10:50,120
this was a storyline in particular that really had no

275
00:10:50,159 --> 00:10:52,000
effect on me. I think part of it is like Lucy,

276
00:10:52,759 --> 00:10:54,519
I don't really remember if she was in the first

277
00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:55,840
game at all, like I had.

278
00:10:57,039 --> 00:10:59,960
Speaker 3: Mentioned, right, because she's mentioned and you do see that

279
00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,519
photo in the first game, but the face is blurred there,

280
00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,679
so I think they And that's what's tough for me

281
00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,120
with this story, right, because I imagine Kajima probably thought, Okay,

282
00:11:09,159 --> 00:11:11,200
I got a good track record, the first game should

283
00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,559
be successful, so I will hopefully make a second game,

284
00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,519
and then this is a story because or does he

285
00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:18,960
just look at this stuff and go, you know what,

286
00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,679
I didn't do this, didn't touch upon this, or oh

287
00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:22,799
we mentioned that same kind of wife. Let's dive into that.

288
00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,639
I don't know, and I would love to ask him that, right.

289
00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:26,399
And it's always tough because I feel like some creators

290
00:11:26,399 --> 00:11:28,000
will always get the oh, well, of course it was.

291
00:11:28,519 --> 00:11:30,159
He was always planned, you know, I knew for the

292
00:11:30,159 --> 00:11:32,559
first game when I better like That's why I'd like

293
00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,759
to get it more like a you know, a couple

294
00:11:34,799 --> 00:11:36,759
of beers, a couple of line rickeys, and did you

295
00:11:36,879 --> 00:11:38,159
did you plan this the whole time?

296
00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:38,679
Speaker 1: Uh?

297
00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,600
Speaker 3: Because if so, Yeah, this is one of those things.

298
00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,360
Everything to do with this story, and we won't talk

299
00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,440
exactly about Lou, but I'll tie Lou into it a

300
00:11:46,519 --> 00:11:51,639
little bit. It's stuff that I'm gonna try to pretend

301
00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,440
doesn't really exist. It's stuff that to me kind of

302
00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,559
brings down the first game story a little bit, not

303
00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,039
enough to really hurt it over because that's still by itself.

304
00:12:02,159 --> 00:12:04,919
But the Neil stuff, I I mention it because you'd

305
00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,320
got there just kind of briefly. But I hated the

306
00:12:07,639 --> 00:12:09,679
I didn't mind the origin as far as Okay, they

307
00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,120
met as kids there in this war, and then he

308
00:12:11,159 --> 00:12:14,519
abandoned her and that's where I was very confused, because

309
00:12:14,519 --> 00:12:17,000
they gave him like a double motivation, right, because here's

310
00:12:17,039 --> 00:12:19,440
a situation where okay, so it is, which I'll get to.

311
00:12:19,639 --> 00:12:23,320
I guess I'll just say it now. I absolutely despise

312
00:12:23,639 --> 00:12:26,120
zero out of ten hate that Lou is actually Sam's

313
00:12:26,159 --> 00:12:28,879
child's I'm not a fan of that yet. I don't

314
00:12:28,919 --> 00:12:31,720
like that. That's very Star Wars the of your palplatiny, Like,

315
00:12:32,039 --> 00:12:34,960
not everybody needs to be connected with somebody in the

316
00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,639
first game. It's not like somebody delivers Lou to Sam

317
00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:40,639
and it's like, oh, you should look up his baby.

318
00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,840
He by coincidence, goes on a mission and someone else

319
00:12:43,879 --> 00:12:46,039
is using that baby and he links someone that I hate.

320
00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,200
I've said this all he verse. I don't mind him

321
00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,399
here and there, but for the big story plot points,

322
00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,559
I hate a massive coincidence that that Lou just happened

323
00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,679
to go on a mission with a guy who had

324
00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,799
his daughter. That's just too much of a stretch for me.

325
00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,200
I wish Kajima did that. I wish he retroactively went

326
00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:05,200
back and went, oh, you know, uh, what's her name?

327
00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:11,240
Emil has because they showed her a lot, which actually

328
00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,000
she didn't. I thought she'd come back or play a

329
00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,000
part in the story. She really didn't, other than she

330
00:13:15,279 --> 00:13:16,480
likes the past stuff.

331
00:13:16,519 --> 00:13:18,879
Speaker 1: But I would have still surprised because so many other

332
00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,639
characters die in this world because of the beach.

333
00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:25,720
Speaker 2: They really die and they're still around. Especially of deaths

334
00:13:25,759 --> 00:13:28,720
feel not super meaningful, I will say.

335
00:13:28,519 --> 00:13:30,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I felt like at the beginning the game,

336
00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,000
they were like lots of times when he was dreaming,

337
00:13:32,039 --> 00:13:33,879
there'd be lots of flashes of her, so I thought, oh,

338
00:13:33,919 --> 00:13:37,159
she's definitely you know the flashes the title, and I

339
00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,480
would have even taken something retroacted, like, oh she knew

340
00:13:40,519 --> 00:13:42,960
that was Sam's daughter, he didn't, and she linked them

341
00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:44,559
up and that's like on their journey, But it's not.

342
00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,360
It's he just happened to bump into it, not bump

343
00:13:47,399 --> 00:13:49,440
into but he got sent with another porter that had

344
00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,799
his daughter and lo and behold, Like I know some

345
00:13:51,879 --> 00:13:54,399
people might look it all depends on your life structure.

346
00:13:54,399 --> 00:13:56,639
If you think everything happens for a reason, that to

347
00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:58,759
me is just so much of a stretch. So I

348
00:13:58,759 --> 00:14:01,000
don't I really.

349
00:14:00,279 --> 00:14:02,799
Speaker 1: Dislike that there, And there was a ton of that

350
00:14:02,879 --> 00:14:05,320
in the story of just like oh this baby was

351
00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,320
with this pod, and there was two babies that had

352
00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,559
like the same pod, and this one got decommissioned and

353
00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:10,879
this one was hidden away for like this.

354
00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:11,639
Speaker 2: Look at the date.

355
00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:12,559
Speaker 3: It doesn't match up.

356
00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:14,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then like I think it was like the

357
00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,360
lady at the motherhood who like looks inside of it

358
00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,200
or something like that and sees like a serial code.

359
00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,360
Speaker 2: And then it does all this stuff. It feels like

360
00:14:21,399 --> 00:14:24,000
we're spinning wheels a little bit on some of those reveals.

361
00:14:23,759 --> 00:14:26,039
Speaker 3: And none of it's none of it's really worth it

362
00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,720
because that's the reveal, is that they're related. And that's

363
00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,120
what's so weird to me is the first game. To me,

364
00:14:31,519 --> 00:14:35,519
that whole story makes like not only myself but me

365
00:14:35,639 --> 00:14:39,039
believe that Sam is attached to this BB and would

366
00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,039
raise it and it means something when he gets at

367
00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,000
that pod. I don't at all need him to be

368
00:14:44,399 --> 00:14:48,039
like genetically related to this person, you know, like there's

369
00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,639
and especially just it's I've always pitched as I've always

370
00:14:50,639 --> 00:14:52,879
no one's ever done it, but I've always wanted a

371
00:14:52,919 --> 00:14:56,519
great Batman movie that really features Robin because of the

372
00:14:56,559 --> 00:14:58,840
adoption angle. And I feel like that's something that movies

373
00:14:58,879 --> 00:15:02,320
and TV's downplay all the time as they it's just

374
00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,480
like they have to be related. It's like, no they

375
00:15:04,519 --> 00:15:07,159
had like that. I really wish because we'll get to

376
00:15:07,159 --> 00:15:08,879
the other stuff later with el Fanning, but lots of

377
00:15:08,919 --> 00:15:10,720
her stuff you could have still done without them being

378
00:15:10,759 --> 00:15:12,799
related at all. They could have just still that that

379
00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,320
path could have happened. So one, that's what I was

380
00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,919
holding back so much, biting my tongue last week of like,

381
00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,240
I can't wait to complain about this. So that's that's

382
00:15:20,279 --> 00:15:21,759
one of the things that did not let me give

383
00:15:21,759 --> 00:15:24,840
it a perfect score. But with Neil, they give them

384
00:15:24,879 --> 00:15:27,759
two motivations of Okay, they start an affair, and I

385
00:15:27,759 --> 00:15:29,919
wish we got more seams it. Like you said, with

386
00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:31,759
her not being the first game, it feels very odd

387
00:15:31,759 --> 00:15:33,480
to be like, oh, yeah, this is Sam's wife, but

388
00:15:33,879 --> 00:15:36,480
you only see them together like twice, Like I needed

389
00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,360
some scene to show like they were in love at

390
00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,960
one point they had together, even her struggling if she

391
00:15:42,039 --> 00:15:44,000
is having a field their like or Neil like that

392
00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,320
idea of she's going home to Sam and she's like,

393
00:15:46,559 --> 00:15:47,840
it does not feel like I.

394
00:15:47,919 --> 00:15:51,639
Speaker 2: Reason to care about her, Yes, be interested in her together?

395
00:15:51,799 --> 00:15:52,039
Speaker 3: Right?

396
00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:52,320
Speaker 2: Yeah?

397
00:15:52,679 --> 00:15:54,799
Speaker 1: Set up as is like she had an affair in

398
00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:56,440
this game, so it's like, well immediately I'm like, ah,

399
00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:57,080
well fuck.

400
00:15:56,919 --> 00:15:58,559
Speaker 2: This lady, but like I feel like I don't.

401
00:15:58,559 --> 00:16:00,279
Speaker 1: I'm not giving any reason to be like, oh, I

402
00:16:00,279 --> 00:16:02,200
can see why Sam loved her, like this was part

403
00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,360
of the relationship, but it's good. Maybe it was never good.

404
00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,240
Maybe it was just like a means or the becoming situation.

405
00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,080
Speaker 3: But I would like to know that if we had

406
00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:10,879
so much time. And that's the thing where to me,

407
00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:15,279
it's a weird double meaning where Okay, they eventually kneel

408
00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,279
and her break things off because she is pregnant with

409
00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,799
Sam's baby, and I get that motivation off. He's a repatriot.

410
00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,039
They're gonna study this baby, they're gonna dissect it. Can

411
00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,320
you say you're the father? And I felt that that's

412
00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,559
why I don't even think they needed the affair angle.

413
00:16:29,639 --> 00:16:31,879
I would have bought that, Hey, he as a kid

414
00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,720
left this girl for dead. This is how he's gonna

415
00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,120
repair hers. They're gonna lie about the affair, They're gonna

416
00:16:37,159 --> 00:16:39,200
lie about everything and just say it's your baby because

417
00:16:39,639 --> 00:16:41,600
I owe you a debt, because I said i'd save

418
00:16:41,679 --> 00:16:43,679
you and I just left you but they give him

419
00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,639
that motivation. They also give him that he's in love

420
00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,240
and they had an affair and he thought the kid

421
00:16:47,279 --> 00:16:49,480
was his and what it just it feels like it's

422
00:16:49,559 --> 00:16:51,759
kind of like the way we talk about sometimes could

423
00:16:51,799 --> 00:16:55,240
you know, overexplains It's like he had to over motivate

424
00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,519
Neil to help her when really, like I could buy

425
00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,600
the to me, just the debt thing. And it's very

426
00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,840
similar to the ads thing. Right, They're in a facility,

427
00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,480
you know, the wife goes down, he is a gun,

428
00:17:06,519 --> 00:17:09,319
he's running like it's it's not a beat beat, but

429
00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,960
it's it's a different shade of gray for sure.

430
00:17:13,319 --> 00:17:15,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like they also add in like a

431
00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:18,680
reason why he would be incentivized to go along with

432
00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:20,759
this plot is because he feels really guilty about the

433
00:17:20,799 --> 00:17:23,359
work he's been doing because he too, like Sam, is

434
00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,200
a porter, which they do a lot of this, like,

435
00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,480
because they make so many comparisons between obviously Neil, Sam

436
00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,240
and Higgs in this because I think Higgs also was

437
00:17:31,279 --> 00:17:33,759
a porter right back in the day, and so just

438
00:17:33,799 --> 00:17:35,640
making all sorts of We can talk about Higgs a

439
00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,440
lot more later, of course, but yeah, I feel like

440
00:17:37,599 --> 00:17:40,920
obviously this angle of he was smuggling these babies from

441
00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,319
pregnant women down in Mexico up to the US to

442
00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,119
create the like the BB, help create the BB program

443
00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:47,960
and stuff, and like obviously he feels really guilty about

444
00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,480
all that, so just maybe some added reason why he

445
00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,960
would want to go along with this, But uh.

446
00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I was. I was maybe. I mean,

447
00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:57,039
I've talked about it so much.

448
00:17:57,079 --> 00:17:59,079
Speaker 1: I feel like so many movies I complain about where

449
00:17:59,079 --> 00:18:02,599
I'm just like the only intrigue of the twist is like, oh,

450
00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,200
this character is the daughter, son or sister or whatever,

451
00:18:06,319 --> 00:18:07,559
but it then just feel like they have like the

452
00:18:07,559 --> 00:18:09,400
substance behind it, and I do feel like that is

453
00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,519
the case here, And I guess I felt so much

454
00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,279
like I don't know connection between Sam and the BB

455
00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,960
that like, yeah, I guess it almost doesn't really make

456
00:18:18,039 --> 00:18:19,359
much of a difference to me whether or it's like

457
00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:21,960
actually biological or not. So yeah, I can definitely see

458
00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:23,680
your side of it there. One thing I was a

459
00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,960
little confused about with that final reveal is when when

460
00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,880
they're in the hallway, it's like that that very final

461
00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,599
scene and Neil's trying to get Lucy out of there,

462
00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:33,759
and then the guards are like chasing him down and

463
00:18:33,799 --> 00:18:36,240
they gun him down and he dies there, And obviously

464
00:18:36,319 --> 00:18:39,000
that's part of the reveal, is that his body is

465
00:18:39,039 --> 00:18:41,519
the one that causes the void out, like destroyed that

466
00:18:41,599 --> 00:18:45,680
city and killed Lucy. But they made a comment of like, oh,

467
00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,119
why is he decomposing so quick or something like that,

468
00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,599
so it seemed like he caused a void out quicker

469
00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,559
than is normal, Like I don't know how long it takes,

470
00:18:53,599 --> 00:18:55,279
like a half an hour, an hour, you know, obviously,

471
00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,519
if if someone dies, you have to incinerate their body

472
00:18:57,599 --> 00:18:58,640
or also cause a void out.

473
00:18:58,680 --> 00:18:59,119
Speaker 2: And I couldn't.

474
00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,839
Speaker 1: I didn't know if there was a story reason why

475
00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:03,839
he would cause avoid it quicker than other people, other

476
00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,640
than if these people just didn't know what was going

477
00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,119
on or they weren't deep enough into the death stranding

478
00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,720
like stuff happening yet that they just didn't have enough

479
00:19:10,759 --> 00:19:12,519
like data points on how long it takes for someone

480
00:19:12,519 --> 00:19:14,880
to void out. But did you catch that or do

481
00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,160
you have like an idea, Like I couldn't tell if

482
00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,960
there was like some storyline of like, oh, his soul

483
00:19:20,079 --> 00:19:22,160
was already dead because of all the shitty things he did,

484
00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:23,440
like his body.

485
00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:25,680
Speaker 3: Fait i wouldn't catch for me. It just felt like

486
00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,359
it was a just by happenstance, like we kind of

487
00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:29,680
talked about some of the people like oh and I

488
00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,759
have dooms as well, Like it just felt like, Okay,

489
00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,799
for some reason, he's decomposing quicker. Not sure if it's

490
00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:38,759
this situation the way he died, if it's emotionally charge whatever,

491
00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,119
but I yeah, I don't know. I couldn't. Maybe there's

492
00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,720
an answer out there, but I didn't. I didn't get

493
00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,160
it from what I saw it leaves, so mm hmm.

494
00:19:47,319 --> 00:19:49,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think, you know, we talked a lot

495
00:19:49,799 --> 00:19:52,240
in the last episode about the gameplay sequences that come

496
00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:53,640
with the neil Van and stuff, and I think all

497
00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:54,480
that stuff is fun.

498
00:19:54,519 --> 00:19:57,440
Speaker 2: I liked the third one. I still think that. Yeah,

499
00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,559
the second one was maybe the best set.

500
00:19:59,319 --> 00:20:00,680
Speaker 1: Piece of it, but I I like the kind of

501
00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,240
flipped gravity of that third one, although really janky. Thing

502
00:20:04,319 --> 00:20:06,400
is like through I had so much stuff on me

503
00:20:06,799 --> 00:20:09,160
or like in my van or my truck or whatever

504
00:20:09,519 --> 00:20:11,319
my van. Of course, I'm thinking about neil Vana that

505
00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,839
when I got sucked into the tar world, it just

506
00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:15,680
dumped all my stuff on the ground, Which is that

507
00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,640
what you were talking about how like sometimes you'll just

508
00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:19,519
lose all the gear from your truck. Is that the

509
00:20:19,559 --> 00:20:21,079
kind of situation you were talking about, or were you

510
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,000
hinting at something else.

511
00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,440
Speaker 3: I was when you get on the bridge when you

512
00:20:25,519 --> 00:20:27,200
have to it's one of the last missions, and you're

513
00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,000
fighting like a bunch of the big red.

514
00:20:28,839 --> 00:20:31,119
Speaker 2: Mechs oh yeah, okay, and the vehicle.

515
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,640
Speaker 3: The bridge gets separated. Lost a lot of stuff there,

516
00:20:33,839 --> 00:20:36,680
a lot of stuff gone. Some stuff I recovered, but

517
00:20:36,759 --> 00:20:39,759
not not not as much as I once had. So

518
00:20:39,839 --> 00:20:41,200
and then there's another time too.

519
00:20:41,279 --> 00:20:43,559
Speaker 1: I don't know if dead men needed to break the

520
00:20:43,599 --> 00:20:45,200
bridge in half, Like I don't know if that actually

521
00:20:45,279 --> 00:20:46,519
helped stop anything.

522
00:20:46,599 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 2: I was a little confused about that.

523
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,680
Speaker 3: And I think that was the other time too, where

524
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,279
they kind of do. I think it's the mission where

525
00:20:55,279 --> 00:20:57,319
it's like, oh, we'll go out there and new fire support.

526
00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,319
Maybe it's the same mission. There's one mission after that

527
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,400
again where it is you maybe maybe I think it

528
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,000
might be right with the neil Van and think that

529
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,160
it might be right before or after. No, I think

530
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:07,960
it is because I dropped my stuff off of a

531
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,359
private locker because I'm like, I don't want that happen again,

532
00:21:10,599 --> 00:21:12,720
took me forever to find it, and I did find it,

533
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,640
I kind of forgot where I pretty much.

534
00:21:14,799 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 1: I don't think I've used a private locker anywhere except

535
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,000
for the Magellan at this point, which obviously some points

536
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,279
in the story maybe like when I in the Magellan

537
00:21:22,319 --> 00:21:25,079
couldn't move or whatever. But but yeah, that that third sequence,

538
00:21:25,079 --> 00:21:26,640
I did think it was fun, but the janky thing

539
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:26,960
about it.

540
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,160
Speaker 2: Okay, So back to that store.

541
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,039
Speaker 1: Now, I had so much stuff on my truck that

542
00:21:30,079 --> 00:21:32,160
got just dropped on the ground as soon as I

543
00:21:32,279 --> 00:21:33,440
entered the subway there.

544
00:21:33,599 --> 00:21:34,880
Speaker 2: But thankfully I did.

545
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,839
Speaker 1: Kind of foresee something like this happening, so I brought

546
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,119
a PCC so I could load up all my stuff

547
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,400
on the PCC and drag it through that level. But man,

548
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,880
some of the pathing on that was really rough, Like

549
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,240
when I was going through the upside down train cars and.

550
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,880
Speaker 2: My PCC would just get like hooked.

551
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,279
Speaker 1: On a wall and then like ride up the wall

552
00:21:51,319 --> 00:21:54,000
and fall over or get like unhooked or clipped on

553
00:21:54,039 --> 00:21:54,480
something like.

554
00:21:54,519 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 2: It was such a mess.

555
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,759
Speaker 1: Trying to bring my stuff through there was almost not

556
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,559
worth it, especially when like I don't just given so

557
00:22:00,599 --> 00:22:02,519
many weapons in any combat sequence in this game, it

558
00:22:02,519 --> 00:22:03,200
almost feels like you.

559
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,319
Speaker 2: Don't need to bring anything at all, Like you'll always

560
00:22:05,319 --> 00:22:07,920
be given no, even a brutal.

561
00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:10,400
Speaker 1: Difficulty, you still get just like hey, Sam, and you're

562
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,599
just getting chucked stuff at your left, right and center.

563
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I finally thought that when on that bridge mission,

564
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,039
I was like, Okay, I'm running that stuff. But then

565
00:22:18,079 --> 00:22:20,599
once I beat some mech it's like, okay, they dropped

566
00:22:20,599 --> 00:22:22,599
a bunch of stuff, and I was a okay, But

567
00:22:22,599 --> 00:22:24,240
that was the first time where I actually got down

568
00:22:24,279 --> 00:22:25,799
to a lot of like the good stuff, because I

569
00:22:25,799 --> 00:22:27,960
was using a lot of grenade launchers or like the

570
00:22:28,039 --> 00:22:29,119
rocket launchers, and I was.

571
00:22:29,319 --> 00:22:32,319
Speaker 2: A quadruple rocket launcher. Hell yeah, I think it's a badass.

572
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:33,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, beautiful.

573
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 1: So I guess we can segue that into some more

574
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,359
discussion on tomorrow or what do we call on her now?

575
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 2: We coll her Lou, colln her tomorrow Carl Lou.

576
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:43,599
Speaker 3: I still call her Lou, you know.

577
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 2: Yeah.

578
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,079
Speaker 1: So obviously you're not a big fan of like obviously

579
00:22:47,079 --> 00:22:51,599
the reveal of bb Bean the daughter of Sam, But

580
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,680
how do you feel about like, I guess this is

581
00:22:53,799 --> 00:22:56,160
kind of all tied together, of course, but when tomorrow

582
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,440
when you find out that tomorrow is his daughter. Is

583
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:00,960
that pretty much the same feeling or is that a

584
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,599
little bit different because we actually got more time with her, Like,

585
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,119
I don't know any difference with that one.

586
00:23:05,519 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 3: That one. I guess maybe I had more time to

587
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,079
sit with because the second I saw el Fanning, I'm

588
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,319
just like, well, that's his daughter, like just the second

589
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,880
cause the way Lou passes it's very which I'm still

590
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,279
uh iffy on because they trying to a midgame twist

591
00:23:19,279 --> 00:23:21,519
to me that really didn't work at all, and being

592
00:23:21,519 --> 00:23:24,279
able to tie in here where our case obviously, you know,

593
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,640
Fragile comes to Sam, I can get you off the grid.

594
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,519
You do this one last mission and your record's wipe.

595
00:23:29,559 --> 00:23:31,559
You're good to go. He does some things, he comes back,

596
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,240
you know Fragiles, which will talk about Fragile. She has

597
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,039
her own situation. And then Lou's gone, and we talked

598
00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:39,920
about that how when he gets back, he's looking for

599
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,119
Lou and he sees like a bet version of Lou,

600
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,200
right like the little baby prince that goes into the pod.

601
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,160
And again I thought that was a beautiful scene. I'm like, Okay,

602
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:52,039
that's that's fantastic. But at the same time with it

603
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,920
with yeah, with with him like oh, what happened to Fragile,

604
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,640
Like there's a lot of because that happens, and they're like, man,

605
00:23:59,759 --> 00:24:01,880
there's this whole segment. I feel like a couple of

606
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,720
missions I'll lose dead. But then he has like a

607
00:24:04,839 --> 00:24:08,400
baby Lou in the pod that's like working and not working.

608
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,160
And then later on the deal tell you like, Okay,

609
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,119
that's doll Man doing that. But I find it very odd.

610
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,200
In the mid game, they're like like that was what

611
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:19,480
Fragile was hold hiding, right, is that Lou was dead.

612
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,720
But I don't understand because it felt like Sam understood

613
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,119
that Lou had passed on because we talked about it

614
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,039
in the first like that chapter two or three. He's

615
00:24:28,079 --> 00:24:30,559
trying to kill himself multiple times. So in the middle

616
00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:32,359
of the game when they're like, hey, we were just

617
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,160
putting stuff in your pod, Dolman was acting as your

618
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,160
you know, your r UAV and all that stuff like,

619
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,920
and then Sam's like broken down by it. I didn't

620
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:45,480
understand why he was because I'm like, well, no, like you,

621
00:24:45,599 --> 00:24:47,759
this is why you're trying to kill yourself. So because

622
00:24:47,839 --> 00:24:48,519
it was weird.

623
00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 1: Of yea his reaction does not match like what it

624
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,000
feels like, because he's even seen like the BB turned

625
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,000
into like a tentacle at some points and stuff, So

626
00:24:56,039 --> 00:24:58,640
it seems like, Okay, he must be aware that this

627
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,720
is obviously not Lou in there, right, But then you're

628
00:25:01,799 --> 00:25:03,839
right the reaction when it all comes together, and maybe

629
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,839
it is just that realization. I suppose, like maybe he

630
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,359
just felt this way for a long time, but like

631
00:25:09,079 --> 00:25:11,079
that was where it was actually confirmed or something.

632
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,319
Speaker 2: But that did not work for me, but it did

633
00:25:13,559 --> 00:25:13,759
to me.

634
00:25:13,759 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 3: It doesn't work because again, he was trying to take

635
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:16,880
his own life, So if he thought Lou was alive

636
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,960
at any point, why would he start doing that? And

637
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,039
that's where for me, when Fragile went somewhere and Lou

638
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,200
died in kind of a mysterious circumstance, I did think

639
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,279
it was the inception kind of interstellar. Okay, that's Lou

640
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,039
grown up time works differently. YEA had a science fiction jargon,

641
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,640
so I knew right away that was happening. I wish

642
00:25:35,759 --> 00:25:38,200
what would have happened. I wouldn't have gone the scent is.

643
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,640
I wish what it would happen if they played it off,

644
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,640
and maybe they would have taken out some cut scenes,

645
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,680
but that Lou was shot or whatever and back in

646
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,240
the pod somehow like they needed to do a way

647
00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:53,480
to show us that Lou hadn't died without us seeing

648
00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:55,400
that and then that whole because I think that would

649
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,720
have been a shocking reel. Imagine the whole time us

650
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,200
as the viewer or the gamers think Lou is alive

651
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,039
and they say, no, we've been lying to you for

652
00:26:02,079 --> 00:26:04,599
a whole twenty hours. She did die. But it's like

653
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,440
we already knew that. So that's how I knew the

654
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,279
second al Frand and got introduced, And especially because Sam

655
00:26:09,319 --> 00:26:12,599
already has Dooms and he's repatriot all this stuff, it

656
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,200
wasn't a big surprise. So again I still like all

657
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,240
that stuff. Other than the lineage, I like, you know,

658
00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:19,440
because they had the connection. I think it's a good

659
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,839
way of you get that loss. If he didn't get

660
00:26:21,839 --> 00:26:24,359
to grow up with her. Obviously, she's gonna be still

661
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,240
somewhat messed up and hopefull get her feet on the ground,

662
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,839
but it's still trope that they find their way back together,

663
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,799
and it's it's not all for nothing, right, It's not

664
00:26:32,839 --> 00:26:34,279
like you play the first games like, oh, we just

665
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,680
killed your kid in the first hour, and you know

666
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,720
that was fun, right, This is like, okay, there's all

667
00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:41,720
there's a loss, but it's just like being separated from

668
00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:44,079
which probably you know happened many times back in many

669
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:45,799
wars and stuff, right when you wouldn't see parents. So

670
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,240
that I can understand and be on board with. So

671
00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:52,160
everything other than the the the heritage, I like with

672
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,799
Tomorrow Slash Lou Louise, Like I like all that stuff,

673
00:26:55,839 --> 00:26:58,160
all the powers. Maybe could have used your a little

674
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,319
bit more and some more cut scenes and in the

675
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,839
finals and stuff, but uh yeah, I love the trippy

676
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,319
stuff where she's like a big baby and eats Higgs.

677
00:27:05,319 --> 00:27:07,640
Like I'm all that stuff worked for me. So that

678
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,319
then being related, I have no notes. And that's where

679
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,720
I said to you. When they end with the end

680
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,799
credit of her as a porter, I'm like, man, last time,

681
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,799
we'll get to that. We'll get okay, okay, yeah, yeah,

682
00:27:18,839 --> 00:27:20,359
So I was happy with us. So would you have

683
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:21,200
any issues with them?

684
00:27:21,599 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: I well, so, I think for me, when when we

685
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,960
get those shots of seeing what fragile crashing on the

686
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,599
bike and lou being left there and all that, like

687
00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:32,319
from the beginning, I was like, Okay, Lou, I don't

688
00:27:32,319 --> 00:27:35,519
think Lou is dead, But I also don't think that

689
00:27:35,599 --> 00:27:37,400
Lou was going to be a baby anymore, and so

690
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,000
I thought it was gonna be a bit different. I

691
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,039
didn't think that Lou had actually died and gone to

692
00:27:42,079 --> 00:27:44,480
the beach and then is like coming back from this

693
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,839
beached realm. But I thought, like Lou being left out

694
00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:50,400
in the rain, Lou was just gonna get pelted with

695
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,000
time fall and like be way older. So I honestly,

696
00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:56,039
and I maybe I just forgot that Lou was like

697
00:27:56,079 --> 00:27:57,799
a girl. I don't know if I knew like what

698
00:27:58,039 --> 00:28:00,640
gender Lou was. I was I was gonna like Fallout

699
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,319
four flashbacks. Early on, I was like, is Lou the president?

700
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,240
Is that what's going on here? Like Lou is now

701
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,160
super duper old, and we're doing the Fallout four thing

702
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,559
where Louis is this president guy which isn't even a

703
00:28:10,599 --> 00:28:12,759
real guy, which we'll talk about that of course later on.

704
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 2: So I wasn't. I guess I was half surprised.

705
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: I did not have that same read that you did

706
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,400
that it was tomorrow when that character was introduced, So.

707
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:22,839
Speaker 2: Good on you for for that.

708
00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: It's probably because you and Kodima have seen like the

709
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,200
same amount of movies and you're you're used these.

710
00:28:27,079 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 3: Twists similar ta yeah, exactly. Yeah, And I felt like

711
00:28:31,079 --> 00:28:33,160
el Fanning is gonna give her, gonna give her a

712
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,000
big meatia.

713
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:37,559
Speaker 1: Role too, So yeah, but yeah, I definitely thought Lou

714
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,039
was gonna be around, and Lou was just gonna be

715
00:28:39,079 --> 00:28:40,880
a character who was older at some point, so I

716
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,680
probably could have put two and two together that it

717
00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:44,039
was tomorrow.

718
00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:46,759
Speaker 2: But I think that that does that does make sense.

719
00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think at zero point did I believe

720
00:28:50,119 --> 00:28:52,119
that the baby in the pod was Lou. I just

721
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,000
never felt that connection anymore. And honestly, I think part

722
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:56,839
of that too is like I was doing way less

723
00:28:56,839 --> 00:28:58,799
soothing that baby. I didn't even care. I'm like, this

724
00:28:58,839 --> 00:29:00,720
is not a real baby. I'm I can spend as

725
00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:02,960
much time to like make sure this baby's happening. Also

726
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,960
feel like, once again, because I wasn't following as much,

727
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,160
I didn't have to. Uh, I would only do it

728
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,440
if it was like, okay, and now I'm trying to

729
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:09,680
be stealthy and this baby's crying.

730
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: Otherwise I would kind of leave the baby. So sorry,

731
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,000
maybe I shouldn't have admitted that on a podcast.

732
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 3: No, No, I think it's a fake baby here, you know,

733
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,519
like that's the thing where it's just like that's a

734
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,440
tough thing. They want to replicate, like replicate what happened

735
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,559
in the first game with the baby with that connection

736
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,440
it being you know, it's your guide through the world.

737
00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:28,880
But that's the problem that the second that baby got

738
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,680
out of the pod, you you couldn't you know, like,

739
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,000
you can't do that again. There was no way. It's

740
00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:34,920
the genie at the bottle. You couldn't put the baby

741
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,799
back like Lou had grown up. You can't put Lou

742
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,759
back in the pod. So when you do it again

743
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:41,160
and already again, there wasn't the situation of oh it's

744
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,559
a new baby or it's like even if they would

745
00:29:43,599 --> 00:29:45,240
have said, like, hey, you lost Lou, but we found

746
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:46,599
a way, even if they would have said this if

747
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,200
like we found a way to clone Lou and that

748
00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:51,160
is Lou and that that incubator and then at the

749
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,119
end again reveal actually we lie to you. It's not

750
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,119
it's just all man. But that same thing it's not

751
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,599
like an actual thing. You know, something's up with it

752
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,720
and it is just nothing it's an empty tank. You

753
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,559
get all these flashbacks of him with empty tank and

754
00:30:02,599 --> 00:30:04,480
it's all broken and being and all this stuff, which

755
00:30:04,519 --> 00:30:06,920
is just like I guess everybody he met just had to

756
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,160
go along with this, you know.

757
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:09,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

758
00:30:09,359 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: Maybe they like had a projection in there, so like

759
00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:14,119
the preppers and stuff would like see a baby and

760
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,079
just assume it was that. But yeah, the rest of

761
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,400
everyone was like on board to just gaslight him for

762
00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:20,400
months at a time.

763
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I'm like, I know, Fragile that there was

764
00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:23,759
like a healing process.

765
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if that works, but I think it

766
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,319
was fucked up, and I don't think in my opinion,

767
00:30:27,319 --> 00:30:30,480
that's like not what Sam would have wanted, Like my

768
00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:32,400
read on who the character is, like, that's not what

769
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,839
I would have thought. No, Fragile, No, it was better

770
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,839
than I do. Sure she spent a lot more time

771
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,119
with you do, you know, if you want to really

772
00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:39,880
get deep in the in world part of it. But

773
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:41,799
I thought that was I thought that was kind of

774
00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:44,000
fucked up, to be honest, from all the other characters

775
00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:45,279
and everyone just being on board with that.

776
00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:48,079
Speaker 3: I think that's my problem is some of this game

777
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,640
in the first episode still I don't even know if

778
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,319
I know who Sam is, you know, because I still

779
00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:55,119
didn't get enough of Sam in this game. And that's

780
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,680
what I was gonna say before I forgot was. I

781
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,839
was like, you were, I didn't think Lou was completely dead.

782
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:01,480
But I think that's why I did power through the

783
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,759
main mission because I wanted that question answer because that

784
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,359
was really gonna affect my score because if it was

785
00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:09,279
just yeah, no, legitimately that we killed off Lou in

786
00:31:09,319 --> 00:31:11,599
that first hour, it would have been lower than a

787
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,119
nine for me because I would have felt like that

788
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,880
first game is even more tarnish. Like I said, I

789
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,640
don't like the gender or the you know, parentage reveal.

790
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 2: But I don't like the gender.

791
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 3: I don't think it should have been Lewis. But no,

792
00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:25,960
that's what happens. Uh you might not remember is because

793
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,720
revealing it to girls like the last thing that happens

794
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,200
in the first game, because he gets her, I had

795
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:30,880
the paw, and that's what.

796
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,759
Speaker 2: I don't like, Oh my baby girl, Like I don't

797
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:35,039
know if he ever says something like.

798
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 3: That, yeah, which was also weird, Like I this is

799
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,759
where we need more scenes with him and his wife.

800
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,359
Was she was calling the baby Louise. And it's like,

801
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,880
I M right because when he gets the baby in

802
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,759
the first thing is just I'll call it loose. It's

803
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:50,720
the same thing of that would have been great, just

804
00:31:50,839 --> 00:31:54,799
even that she like showing a scene where they pick

805
00:31:54,839 --> 00:31:57,480
a name together and that be her moment to click

806
00:31:57,519 --> 00:31:59,599
of you know what, I can't be a neal anymore,

807
00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:01,359
Like I still love Sam. We're gonna have this baby together,

808
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,240
we're picking names together, like that could have been a

809
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:05,200
fun moment of them to sign the name together. And

810
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,599
then later on the first game when he says lou

811
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,759
that has so much more meaning because he picked that

812
00:32:09,799 --> 00:32:12,200
with his wife that was deceased in have an affair,

813
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,960
but he still cares about But we didn't get to

814
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,000
see that. We didn't just is it just happenstance that

815
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,920
he also called this baby lou I'm assuming they talked

816
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,839
about it, but we didn't see that they talked about it,

817
00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:24,359
because the only scene we saw Sam and his wife

818
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,839
in this game is when she was dead, which that

819
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,319
is doesn't make any that that to me is very

820
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,759
low tier as far as like give us one scene

821
00:32:32,759 --> 00:32:34,160
of them together, especially.

822
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,359
Speaker 1: I think and even if not like that's where I

823
00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:37,920
talk about this in our first episode of like I

824
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,680
just wish there was someone who Sam was super good

825
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,680
friends with it, where he would like talk about stuff

826
00:32:43,119 --> 00:32:45,279
and he would share his inner world and maybe he

827
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:47,400
could talk about their relationship and even like the good

828
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,400
and the bad. I don't know if the context of

829
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:50,839
talking about the good makes sense based.

830
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: On Dolman was right there and everything.

831
00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:56,559
Speaker 1: Oh Dolman is ready to chatter, but it's definitely a

832
00:32:56,559 --> 00:33:00,200
one way a one way street unfortunately, so yeah, I'll

833
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,200
say tomorrow. Other Otherwise, you know, some of these reveals

834
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,799
maybe not hitting super hard I think visually, and just

835
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,880
like character wise was great, I would have loved if

836
00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:12,079
there was more dialogue with her. It feels like with

837
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,799
some characters in this game, it's like, okay, the in

838
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,880
studio fee was much than other action, so someone like

839
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,480
a Norman readis even even though I'm sure he gives

840
00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:23,519
Kujima maybe a good fee because he likes him so much.

841
00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:25,359
But it felt like Elfane I could have used some

842
00:33:25,359 --> 00:33:26,920
more dialogue with her. Now it makes sense a bit

843
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,519
if we're trying to portray her as like, oh, this

844
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,240
is still kind of a baby growing up and she's

845
00:33:32,359 --> 00:33:34,200
learning how to talk, and obviously we talked about the

846
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,799
sequences are Rainy is teaching her just like math and

847
00:33:36,839 --> 00:33:38,680
like basic things like this, So it makes sense that

848
00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:41,240
she maybe doesn't have like all the vocal ability, but

849
00:33:41,319 --> 00:33:42,680
like she gets there at some point and I feel

850
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,160
like there could have been some more sequences there. But yeah, visually,

851
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,440
I love the character that opening sequence, like after you've

852
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,519
saved her and they bring like the chrysalis shell into

853
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:53,160
the Magellan and they're like dismantling it and starting to

854
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,759
do investigations, and the tars seeping out of her. Like

855
00:33:56,079 --> 00:33:58,680
all the visuals there are ten out of ten, And

856
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,359
obviously all the combat sequences, even if it's just cut

857
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,480
scenes of her popping off on people are always great.

858
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:06,160
When she sucks up Higgs at one time, like all

859
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,599
that stuff, it is great. So I think all the

860
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,599
visuals around her when she has like the gold paint

861
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:12,519
mixed with like guitar kind of crying out like just

862
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,920
visually top notch. And I love I love the dynamic

863
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,519
between Fragile Rainy and Tomorrow, Like these three girls who

864
00:34:19,559 --> 00:34:22,159
are just having fun. They do the pictures, they're doing

865
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:23,800
little things. They go on that adventure at one point

866
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,159
where they take the truck and go and I was

867
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:26,599
I was very scared for them, but they made it

868
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:28,400
back and they did a good job, which I'm like,

869
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,159
why do you guys do more? Like I'm doing so

870
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,119
much over here and you guys crush this mission? Like

871
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:35,719
I feel like you could help out a little bit more.

872
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,719
But I really love the dynamic between those three. I

873
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,880
think they were just a really fun, cute little friend

874
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,960
group that was adorable.

875
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 3: Even gameplay story wise. I was kind of hoping we

876
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,880
were gonna get to play as one of the three

877
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,039
of them on that mission, just to change it up

878
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:50,840
a little bit. Cool. Yeah, that was a great dynamic.

879
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,440
That's the stuff like Tomorrow and that. That's the things

880
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,079
that always bat around my head when you know we're

881
00:34:56,119 --> 00:34:58,159
the movies on the way hopefully and that thing where

882
00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:00,800
it's just like, ah, do you go your own path?

883
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,760
Or there's so many things that are like, like I

884
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,039
said to more on these three that are just ripe

885
00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:08,920
for I could feel like the visuals, the powers, kind

886
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,559
of the aura Timore has that is a very cinematic character, right,

887
00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:14,199
and I guess you could make something similar to that.

888
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,000
But it's like when I saw this in the game, Like,

889
00:35:16,039 --> 00:35:17,920
how do you not when she's going through bodies and

890
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,719
the first time, like you said, she fights Higgs, and

891
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,760
even when Higgs eventually like figures out a way to

892
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,440
get it back on her, it's like, how do you

893
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,159
not just kind of do this in the movie? Right?

894
00:35:26,199 --> 00:35:28,639
And it's tough because with if it's l and if

895
00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:30,800
it's Troy and whatnot. But yeah, I agree with you

896
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,159
what you said earlier, even if it's not even the

897
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,800
quote of money. Maybe it's just stuff of Hey, Normansa's like, hey,

898
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,599
I got all these gigs, I can give you this

899
00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:39,480
amount of time for dest ranting too, you know. And

900
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,400
that's what sometimes it feels like. It's not even like

901
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,000
oh I don't want to or pay wise, just you know,

902
00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:47,320
I'm in Ballerina, I'm in my Walking Dead show, I'm

903
00:35:47,679 --> 00:35:49,840
doing this. So it's just and that's why sometimes I

904
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,519
wonder and at that point I go, Okay, either two

905
00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:54,719
things of you wait and you let the game cook

906
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,599
for a little so you can get those, or maybe

907
00:35:56,599 --> 00:35:58,360
you do a different story where someone can be more

908
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,119
available because I do again, maybe that's a good gem

909
00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:03,119
of choice. If that's a choice, it's like, hey, I

910
00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:05,239
I feel like I still don't have a clear picture

911
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,159
of Sam. I always say in the first game, I

912
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,920
was find that because his setup was kind of the

913
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,800
lone wolf hero. But now he's been so much and

914
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,440
so many times, like when you take the phoes of him,

915
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,920
you're like smile, Like it's Sam's not like a completely

916
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,880
shut off character now, which he should have, like you,

917
00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:22,199
he could have got away with that of saying, hey,

918
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,519
we killed off Lou and now he's completely shut down.

919
00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:27,480
But when you're making him do silly stuff with people

920
00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:30,280
and he's he's having a good time where he's laughing

921
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,119
with Dollman, it's like, okay, well now you've like humanized

922
00:36:33,159 --> 00:36:35,400
him a little bit. He's still a person. So and

923
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,639
even when he has his talks with Timore, like at

924
00:36:38,639 --> 00:36:41,119
one point Timore goes out again, like leaves the ship,

925
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,039
and he's kind of like a guiding light to make

926
00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:45,440
her stay there, right, And again it's you don't learn

927
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,159
much about Sam. He just says some really cool biblical

928
00:36:48,199 --> 00:36:51,159
shit that's like, yeah, I should be around, but he's

929
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,400
he has some personality. It's just we don't know modives,

930
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,960
feelings everything like that, Even that moment when I know

931
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,960
we'll get there, but it's the second last time you

932
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:06,360
see Higgs. It feels much more like at times, Fragile

933
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,119
feels like the main character of this game. That whole

934
00:37:09,159 --> 00:37:11,960
scene where she's taking the guitar and slamming it down

935
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,480
and they can't remember what he repeats of like I'm

936
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,599
so strong, I can't break what. He keeps saying that

937
00:37:16,639 --> 00:37:21,320
phrase over and over Sam. This guy killed Sam's daughter

938
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,440
could and at this point could be his biological daughter.

939
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,559
He's just like sitting off the side. He's just chilling

940
00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:31,239
where Fragile is getting this massive scene. She's monologue, she's

941
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:32,199
handling the guitar.

942
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, last to do? What's up? Was her paycheck much

943
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:35,519
lower or something?

944
00:37:35,559 --> 00:37:38,159
Speaker 1: Because she's getting she's getting lines in this game for sure.

945
00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:39,360
I don't know what's going on there.

946
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 3: Or could you just get more efactuated with her because

947
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,800
they remember the smoking thing I told you about, or

948
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,400
maybe she had more free time, maybe because they're the

949
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,320
same thing though, right because around that time, let's see

950
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,119
twenty yeah COVID, Like maybe it's a situation, Hey, I'm

951
00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:54,360
filming Bond right now, and I got this amount of

952
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,079
time and now it's like, hey, I'm not in bond

953
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,199
like she and even you look at her in Dune

954
00:37:58,239 --> 00:37:59,840
right and Dune she had like a couple of scenes.

955
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:02,480
It could just be that, but yeah, Fragile at times

956
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,800
feels like the main character, which I didn't have that

957
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,639
same impact that you did, because I feel that's what

958
00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:09,079
I'm interested in your thoughts of Fragile now because I

959
00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:11,800
could feel you kind of like wavering on the character.

960
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,000
I agree, don't get me wrong. The therapy session, that

961
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,320
thing's kind of fucked up. But the rest of the stuff,

962
00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:21,800
the self sacrifice, the idea of she's this like dying corpse.

963
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,960
Thats just like she's possessing this corpse and only so

964
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,360
amount of time. So that's why there is times where

965
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,079
there's so much ramag stuff going on. I'm like, why

966
00:38:28,119 --> 00:38:31,480
the fuck is Fragile so happy? Like this feels very odd,

967
00:38:31,519 --> 00:38:34,039
but now I like it. It's like, oh, she's only

968
00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:35,920
got so much time left, so she's just taken in

969
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,000
all the moments, Like the last thing she does is

970
00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:40,639
kiss Sam because it's like she's never gonna get a chance.

971
00:38:40,679 --> 00:38:42,440
So to me, when I found out, it's like a

972
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,239
person that's pretty much been told, Hey, you're Gonna Die

973
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,400
August twenty fourth, in twenty fifteen, you're like, well, this

974
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,559
is what at the time I got that actually made

975
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:54,039
it help. Even though there's some questionable stuff. I liked

976
00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:57,239
all that. I liked the sacrifice to try and save Lou,

977
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,480
that she made that sacrifice to kind of kill herself

978
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:01,960
and possess her course and corpse, and the whole time

979
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,199
she's been trying to sell the network and help Sam. Like,

980
00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:07,199
I liked that idea of the person of the mission.

981
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,079
And I think their last appearance together is really sad,

982
00:39:10,119 --> 00:39:14,159
where Sam just sees like the tar you know, gray

983
00:39:14,159 --> 00:39:16,320
and white version of her, and he goes to grave

984
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,119
and she disappears, and that's the last time you see

985
00:39:18,119 --> 00:39:21,079
frag On. To me, that's like a oh man, that

986
00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:23,639
that sucks. That's like it's someone you'd want to thank

987
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,480
or you know, apologize to or say all this stuff too,

988
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,400
but you can't because that person's gone. So how it ended,

989
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,360
I end up liking fragi On. Frage was probably my

990
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,719
favorite character of the series, to be honest.

991
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think she definitely gets the most content.

992
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,119
I mean, Sam gets the most screen time, but she

993
00:39:41,199 --> 00:39:46,079
gets the most content. Yeah, I I I think, you know,

994
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:47,599
A big thing for me is I just I feel

995
00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:50,039
like the first game, you know, it sets up a

996
00:39:50,119 --> 00:39:53,760
world lore rules and then there's like some exceptions, but

997
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,880
this game, there are just so many exceptions that it

998
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,679
feels like there's really no rules at all. And so

999
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,280
for me that she was like dead but is like

1000
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,599
able to survive for some amount of time through like

1001
00:40:03,639 --> 00:40:06,440
speaking through like a corpse, none of it really made

1002
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,199
any sense to me, And I think that's why the

1003
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,119
stakes seem a bit lower, because I'm like, I don't

1004
00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:12,039
even know what we're doing anymore. Like everything just feels

1005
00:40:12,039 --> 00:40:14,360
like a plot device, and nothing feels like super meaningful

1006
00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:17,320
or like dead Man dies, but then he's like coming back,

1007
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,920
and at first he's like yeah, talking through like a robot,

1008
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,639
and then he's like half of heart Man. But then

1009
00:40:21,639 --> 00:40:23,840
they can see and it seems like it's limited, but

1010
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,480
then it's at some point in the story they can

1011
00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:28,079
just swap back and forth constantly and they just I guess,

1012
00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:30,159
are constantly in conversation with each other and can just

1013
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,880
swap freely, and it's like I think it's like he

1014
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,679
wanted to be a cool thing, but then he just

1015
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,599
kind of doesn't really think about the rules anymore because

1016
00:40:36,639 --> 00:40:38,760
he just wants to have the scenes he wants to have,

1017
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,760
And so I think that's part of it is I

1018
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,519
just feel a lot that's connected with the world in general,

1019
00:40:43,559 --> 00:40:46,639
because none of it really makes any sense anymore, and.

1020
00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 2: It never really did.

1021
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,159
Speaker 1: But I feel like this game really went off the

1022
00:40:49,199 --> 00:40:50,719
deep end, or like it not at the deep end.

1023
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,119
It just didn't care anymore about making sense, and it's

1024
00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:55,880
just like, Okay, well, I guess, okay, this is a

1025
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,880
new exception to a rule we can add into the mix.

1026
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,320
But then, like I said, when everything's inception, none of

1027
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:02,800
it really makes sense at all, and it just kind

1028
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,639
of feels like a bit like spaghetti. And I don't know,

1029
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,159
I like, I didn't really see much of a romantic

1030
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,320
bond between these characters, so when they kissed at the end,

1031
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,440
it just felt like okay, I I don't know, it

1032
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,039
didn't it didn't have a huge effect on me.

1033
00:41:17,639 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 2: I didn't feel like a thing that that should be done.

1034
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:20,639
I thought, maybe what.

1035
00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: The reveal was gonna be is that fragile because she

1036
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,400
was dead and could only operate from the beach and

1037
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,320
had to like go through this body. I thought maybe

1038
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,239
the reveal was that she was the one like in

1039
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,079
Lose Pod or something like that, and that's because because

1040
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:36,280
that's what she says, I wanted to be here with Sam,

1041
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,920
but like she's not really with Sam whole a lot,

1042
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,639
Like he's off doing stuff and she's hanging out with

1043
00:41:41,679 --> 00:41:44,000
them jelling or not or at the beach. I don't

1044
00:41:44,039 --> 00:41:46,840
really know exactly where she is, right but I thought

1045
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,559
that that might be it, or that she was like

1046
00:41:48,599 --> 00:41:50,519
somehow in the body of doll Man, like, and that

1047
00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:53,079
was a whole ruise because that was something I was

1048
00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:55,239
expecting there'd be like another reveal of later in the

1049
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,400
game of like who doll Man is. But it's like

1050
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,800
just some guy and because he's like can communicate with

1051
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,440
the dead, he works as a good BB sauce Audrey Dex,

1052
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,159
so like he'll just come in and do that role,

1053
00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:07,400
but like he doesn't really have a role in the story.

1054
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 2: He's kind of just a guy. And so that's where

1055
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:10,760
I was thinking maybe.

1056
00:42:10,559 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: Those would be one of the ways she would be

1057
00:42:12,559 --> 00:42:14,280
there for along the ride, but that would be really

1058
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,239
weird too if it's like I want to be close

1059
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,199
to this guy who she clearly has romantic interest in

1060
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,320
but like hides it through like a weird other version.

1061
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,760
So I don't know, it just seemed a little bit

1062
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,119
forced to me. I guess I wasn't too angry about it.

1063
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,599
I think she like she gives the best performances in

1064
00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:32,480
this game in my opinion, and she gets some of

1065
00:42:32,519 --> 00:42:34,880
the most meaty scenes in that scene with Higgs for sure,

1066
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,760
Like she's just going at it acting wise, and it

1067
00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:40,280
feels like, yeah, she had more time in the booth

1068
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,280
and she like made every second of account or as

1069
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,960
other actors, it just feels like, yeah, even Norman reads

1070
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,840
like this guy should have way more lines than he does,

1071
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,719
considering he's not just the avatar but he is the

1072
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:51,760
protagonist of the game.

1073
00:42:52,679 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 2: One thing I was confused about.

1074
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: With her is the gloves because they were like, oh, yeah,

1075
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,400
like she's controlling these gloves because she has like limited

1076
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,719
control from the beach, but like she's controlling like the

1077
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:04,320
whole body.

1078
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,199
Speaker 2: So did like what is where did like the gloves.

1079
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 1: Come into the mix there? I couldn't really understand. To me,

1080
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,320
that seemed like it was just a funny visual thing

1081
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,079
that Kajima had the idea to do. But I don't know,

1082
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:16,800
I don't know if it really made sense why she

1083
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:17,800
had the gloves.

1084
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 3: To me, No, not to me either. I think it's

1085
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,239
it'd be different she didn't have use of her actual hands,

1086
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:24,960
but not I just thought it was okay, it's extension

1087
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,119
of yourself. And I don't know, maybe they could have

1088
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:29,400
said something like she was weaker so she did these hands.

1089
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,400
But yeah, I didn't. I didn't take uh, I don't know.

1090
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,000
I didn't understand the hands and the connection to the

1091
00:43:37,039 --> 00:43:40,639
dead stuff. So yeah, no, on a few of the

1092
00:43:40,639 --> 00:43:42,440
points you hit, there are I guess. For me, I

1093
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,960
always thought Sam and her were romantic. I guess, and

1094
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,079
that's after playing the first game. I guess too. There's

1095
00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:49,559
a lot like in their first mission, feels like he's

1096
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:51,280
like half naked and there's just like a lot of

1097
00:43:51,679 --> 00:43:55,039
Kajima sterisms going on and stuff. So I run that,

1098
00:43:55,039 --> 00:43:56,280
but I don't think it's like sold.

1099
00:43:56,119 --> 00:43:57,679
Speaker 2: There were in this game that you feel like and

1100
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,559
two specifically.

1101
00:43:59,199 --> 00:44:01,199
Speaker 3: I just feel like there's it's a you know, go

1102
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,320
mora and uh, pure quil cheers is an unspoken thing.

1103
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,119
You know, it's that type of vibe where there's something

1104
00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:09,199
going on, and that's where it's tough because I do.

1105
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:10,840
I was fine with THEO when she says, you want

1106
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,840
to spend it with Sam is because we're doing all

1107
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,320
that stuff in the game. But I take it it's

1108
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:15,760
still like, well, there's still lots of time there on

1109
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,039
the Magellan, and you know you're taking those because like

1110
00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:19,480
me in the game, when it's like, oh, take a

1111
00:44:19,519 --> 00:44:21,119
photo of Sam, and you take a photo like you

1112
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:22,960
could take another, I'm like, no, I'm good. I want

1113
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,719
to get back to do my stuff. But I can

1114
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,559
kind of head canon that they are, you know, having

1115
00:44:27,639 --> 00:44:29,960
somewhat of a good time on the Magell and as

1116
00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:32,280
good as it can be. I agree with you on

1117
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,679
the dead Man one, though, I found I didn't really

1118
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,000
understand the purpose. Just have them in the game. Just

1119
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,280
have them. It's it's not like, this is a guy

1120
00:44:40,519 --> 00:44:43,480
that's made to look like Garmemo del Toro, but he's

1121
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,119
not a voice by Garmin de Toro, so I can

1122
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,400
understand if he was voiced by Garymo de Toro. And

1123
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:48,920
he said, Hey, you know, Kajima, I don't have the

1124
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,079
same amount of time I did the first game, so

1125
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:52,920
what could we do? Oh, I'll make this plot device

1126
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,800
where you die but will have you come in sporadically

1127
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,280
but not as much where I don't maybe wrong, maybe

1128
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,119
it's the same case. Maybe the voice actor couldn't do,

1129
00:44:59,199 --> 00:45:01,239
but I I don't I think that's the case. And again,

1130
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:02,960
if that's the case, you should have let the game

1131
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,480
cook a little longer and just wait. To me, it's

1132
00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:08,199
just he's just dead Man there, like if you want

1133
00:45:08,199 --> 00:45:10,360
to have this cameo, like save it more at the

1134
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,559
end when you and Higgs are on the beach or

1135
00:45:12,599 --> 00:45:14,159
you and the president of the things, like, I'm not

1136
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,679
completely opposed to you going on the beach, and this

1137
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,480
game is wild, right, and dead men helping on some way, right,

1138
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,000
But the fact that dead Men especially i'd say, because

1139
00:45:22,039 --> 00:45:24,239
you're talking about, you know, what his heartman up to

1140
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,239
and then he you know, he's up at night, he's

1141
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,000
doing all this stuff and it's reveal the dead Man,

1142
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,639
like he said, possessing his body. And then once you

1143
00:45:31,639 --> 00:45:36,039
get that reveal, yeah, it feels like God, wh I forgot?

1144
00:45:36,159 --> 00:45:38,960
Dead Man is just around a bunch And before it

1145
00:45:39,079 --> 00:45:42,840
was weird where it was like okay, when he goes

1146
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,239
to sleep or he passes. For the twenty seven minutes,

1147
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,000
dead Man's there, it's like, Okay, I guess I kind

1148
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,480
of get that. But near the end bowe, Yeah, they're

1149
00:45:48,519 --> 00:45:52,599
just swapping back and forth like a mystique sort of thing.

1150
00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:55,559
And didn't really enjoy that. I like some of the

1151
00:45:55,559 --> 00:45:57,559
stuff that you can access where it's like, oh, dead

1152
00:45:57,559 --> 00:45:59,840
Man has some connection to the beach, but could you

1153
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,119
could gave some other.

1154
00:46:01,079 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: Jar makes no sense that like his voice changes, it's

1155
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:05,679
like he's still using the same boat.

1156
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree, it doesn't make sense. So and

1157
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,159
even like to me, it's like I got they're doing,

1158
00:46:11,159 --> 00:46:12,840
but like he shouldn't even have like the dead Man

1159
00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:16,159
like Franken signed monsters like staples on his head, like

1160
00:46:16,159 --> 00:46:18,880
it just yeah, it was It was a that was

1161
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,159
one that like it didn't it didn't ruin anything for me.

1162
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:23,960
But I wasn't like, oh this is really cool. It

1163
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:25,599
just made go ah, they shouldn't have killed dead Man.

1164
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:26,719
He should have just still been around.

1165
00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:29,119
Speaker 1: I did get a good laugh though, the first time

1166
00:46:29,559 --> 00:46:32,199
he opens the mask of the big red Samurai suit

1167
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,239
on the beach there and it's just dead Man's face

1168
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:35,159
propped up on like.

1169
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:38,679
Speaker 2: This goliath of a body. Oh yeah, that was pretty good.

1170
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 3: That was the only time. The only time, the first

1171
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,679
time when it's uh, we saw that it was in

1172
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,679
the first scenes they showed. It was I think the

1173
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,719
revealed trailer and then whatever event when they showed the

1174
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,719
first scene that Higgs breaks out the guitar and you're

1175
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,840
talking about doll Man and everything that which I'm pretty

1176
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,119
sure he said that you killed Lou, and I think

1177
00:46:55,159 --> 00:46:56,760
they showed that clip to the public, so I guess

1178
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,760
I just forgot, or maybe that wasn't in the clip.

1179
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,039
I don't know, but there there was that moment where

1180
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,400
he dead Man saves you, but they don't reveal it's

1181
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,840
dead Man. It's just you know, Sam's like, who are you?

1182
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,199
And he says and it's like baby noises. That was

1183
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,760
the only time I was thrown off. Was like, oh,

1184
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,400
is this Lou? For somehow is this Lou? And like

1185
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,800
some sort of yeah. So that was the only time.

1186
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,159
So that was another reason. I'm like, okay, I gotta

1187
00:47:18,159 --> 00:47:19,679
get that. I still have my money on l But

1188
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,000
I was like, that's weird they didn't show it, and

1189
00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:24,800
then baby noises and that would make sense. I'm like, okay,

1190
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,800
it's you know, the baby. You know, uh, Lou didn't

1191
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,800
learn how to speak yet it's still can possess some stuff.

1192
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,599
But then later on, you know, not too far from there,

1193
00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:33,559
they shows dead Man. But that was the only time

1194
00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:36,000
I questioned myself. But yeah, I agree with they like

1195
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:38,440
their reveal of just U dead Man just being dead

1196
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:38,760
up there.

1197
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,119
Speaker 1: So m hmm, yeah, how about we take our first

1198
00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:45,280
break of the show here, Thank our Patren Produces, Aaron Brighton,

1199
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,920
Aple of Darkness, Jack Grant, Sam super Bad, Mike TGGLM six',

1200
00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:52,280
Nine Jeremy, Renner Charlie, Rendell Cocktail. Clay thank you guys

1201
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,960
so much for supporting the, show keeping the lights, on

1202
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:55,960
all that good.

1203
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,519
Speaker 2: Stuff let's take a quick ad.

1204
00:47:57,519 --> 00:47:58,559
Speaker 3: Break we'll be right.

1205
00:47:58,599 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: Back, okay we are. BACK a couple quick notes on Doll.

1206
00:48:05,039 --> 00:48:07,280
Man AS i, mentioned like there wasn't really any story

1207
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,400
reveals to be had in the second half with this.

1208
00:48:09,519 --> 00:48:12,719
Character you, know AS i, mentioned like he kind of

1209
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,599
is the my mirror of this, game just hooked Onto sam's,

1210
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:18,159
belt can kind of explain some. Things SOMETIMES i feel

1211
00:48:18,159 --> 00:48:20,559
like he does over explain certain things in that very mirror,

1212
00:48:20,639 --> 00:48:22,519
way like that happens To god Of, war which is

1213
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,320
kind of. Annoying one MOMENT i loved is when they

1214
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,599
are Doing they're getting ready to go to the beach

1215
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,960
everyone and they like seat belt doll men in and

1216
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,960
then he like taps his little seat. BELT i was,

1217
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,400
like this is the cutest little baby groot moment.

1218
00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:39,079
Speaker 2: Ever, yeah SO i love.

1219
00:48:39,159 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: That and then also WHEN i was going through looking

1220
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:42,920
through the trophy list and trying to knock some of these,

1221
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,280
out there's a couple like hintset things to, do and

1222
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,280
one of them is like you go and maybe you've seen,

1223
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:48,440
THIS i don't know if you. Have if you go

1224
00:48:48,519 --> 00:48:51,599
into The magellan and you put on a very specific,

1225
00:48:51,639 --> 00:48:54,199
song it's one of the Wood kids, songs and then

1226
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:56,639
you look over At. Dahl when you talk To, dollman

1227
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,760
he will start doing like a fully full choryraph dance

1228
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,760
for the entire, songs and then like all the Other

1229
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,880
domino will pop, in some other guy pops in and

1230
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,960
it's like a full LIKE k pop dance like.

1231
00:49:08,039 --> 00:49:12,159
Speaker 2: Sequence do, it and then you get a trophy after

1232
00:49:12,199 --> 00:49:13,280
you've watched the whole.

1233
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: Thing so you, know there there's quite a few easter

1234
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,119
eggs in this, game and that was one of the

1235
00:49:17,159 --> 00:49:17,760
silly ones that.

1236
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 2: Happened so you, know show us to that.

1237
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: Moment, uh let's see which CHARACTER i want to talk

1238
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,639
About rainy a little, bit BECAUSE I i think that's

1239
00:49:25,679 --> 00:49:27,039
ALL i have to say is a little, bit because,

1240
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,400
UNFORTUNATELY i feel like this, character as we, mentioned one

1241
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,480
of the coolest character introductions in a Game i've ever.

1242
00:49:33,519 --> 00:49:35,400
SEEN i love the concept of, HER i like the.

1243
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,400
VISUALS i think it's a really great. Performance AS i,

1244
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,280
mentioned like the connection that all the girls, have which

1245
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,320
Obviously rainy is a big part of. That BUT i

1246
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,519
was a little disappointed at how little she got to

1247
00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:47,320
do in the. STORY i feel like in terms of

1248
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,280
the plot or like you, know the big plans and,

1249
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,880
things it feels like she's never really involved in any of.

1250
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 2: Those she's kind of just.

1251
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,079
Speaker 1: There and, then like her, powers they set up as,

1252
00:49:57,119 --> 00:49:59,679
like obviously she can summon the, rain OR i guess

1253
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,280
she she kind of just, does but then it feels

1254
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,079
like at some point she obviously just gets gets a

1255
00:50:04,119 --> 00:50:06,000
little charm and she can like kind of control it

1256
00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:06,679
on and, OFF i.

1257
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 2: Suppose but then the second.

1258
00:50:08,159 --> 00:50:10,199
Speaker 1: Part of it is, That, okay she creates all this,

1259
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,960
rain but then there's like a close bubble around here

1260
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,400
where she actually like reverses the effects of time fall

1261
00:50:16,119 --> 00:50:18,599
and correct me If i'm. Wrong that's like never used

1262
00:50:18,639 --> 00:50:20,920
once in the game for any plot. Point it seems

1263
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,000
like a really weird thing to introduce if they're never

1264
00:50:23,039 --> 00:50:25,199
actually going to like the only thing they do is

1265
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,000
like showing her like healing some, apples but it's like

1266
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,239
it never actually was really relevant for anything else.

1267
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 3: Else, yeah, RIGHT i GUESS i guess the two things

1268
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,760
that's relevant BECAUSE i could be. Wrong is that not

1269
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,519
How fragile got healed?

1270
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:41,079
Speaker 2: Up at what point off?

1271
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 3: Screen BECAUSE i feel Like fragile. DOES i feel Like

1272
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,360
fragile Knew rainy off? Screen? RIGHT i feel like she's

1273
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,199
talking about rain like they've known each other before they

1274
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,000
met here or AM i not remembering? That?

1275
00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:54,679
Speaker 1: Well, YEAH i mean there's there's info on, her which

1276
00:50:54,679 --> 00:50:57,599
is why you're sent to Her prepper station to bring

1277
00:50:57,639 --> 00:50:59,960
her on. Board BUT i AND i think they had met.

1278
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:03,719
Before so you're saying that she heal like she healed

1279
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,840
like the time fall effects That fragile suffered from the

1280
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:06,559
first game is that you're.

1281
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 3: SAYING i think, SO i thought that was inferred at

1282
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:09,519
somewhere that that.

1283
00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 2: Happened she heals it all because she still wears the

1284
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:12,880
suit the whole.

1285
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,119
Speaker 3: Time, no she because Even higgs makes a comment of, like,

1286
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:16,960
oh you're looking much. Better so she is. Healed and

1287
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,199
there's a couple of times you see her in like

1288
00:51:18,199 --> 00:51:20,239
a tank top because if you don't.

1289
00:51:20,119 --> 00:51:22,519
Speaker 1: Recall the first doesn't her hand get hit at one

1290
00:51:22,519 --> 00:51:24,519
point and it like gets time falled again.

1291
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,679
Speaker 3: And it was all clear. Before, yeah because at the

1292
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,159
first game she gets a, Helmet.

1293
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that she's STILL i think that was like

1294
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,920
a a big reason why she had that. Outfit i'm

1295
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,760
kind of surprised she, doesn't LIKE i guess she takes

1296
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,039
like she has like a tank top at some.

1297
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:40,159
Speaker 3: Points, yeah she is tank. Top, yeah she doesn't a.

1298
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,000
Time so, yeah, okay because in the first, game her

1299
00:51:43,039 --> 00:51:45,159
whole body's covered other than her. Face let THAT i.

1300
00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: GUESS i GUESS i didn't clock that because in the

1301
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,159
first game you never actually like see her. Body it's

1302
00:51:49,199 --> 00:51:49,960
just like talked about.

1303
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,039
Speaker 3: That, yeah you only see it once in like the

1304
00:51:52,119 --> 00:51:56,480
you don't see When, yeah so you get. That and

1305
00:51:56,519 --> 00:51:59,800
then ALSO i think it's just a like it's somebody

1306
00:52:00,679 --> 00:52:02,840
don't get, Wrong i'm completely with. You WHERE i Think

1307
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,039
rainy fantastic. SETUP i was very excited to see more

1308
00:52:06,039 --> 00:52:08,880
of this, character AND i think it's it's. Me it's

1309
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,920
tough saying a letdown BECAUSE i still like the, character

1310
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,320
but it is a. LETDOWN i think what they are

1311
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,079
trying to do as, well that it was another character

1312
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,440
similar to To Morrow, slash Lou, luise whatever you wanna call,

1313
00:52:19,519 --> 00:52:22,719
him as far as she's a good guy to help

1314
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,159
this character maybe try to tame the powers or work

1315
00:52:26,199 --> 00:52:28,320
on the, powers because she has similar stuff that she's you,

1316
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,400
know other worldly. STUFF i just think they didn't tap

1317
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,119
into that. Enough AND i would have liked more of

1318
00:52:34,159 --> 00:52:37,519
a story With rainy because you could maybe just put

1319
00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:39,480
that stuff To fragile because you do most of the.

1320
00:52:39,519 --> 00:52:42,079
Stuff but then they are great. Together and also you

1321
00:52:42,119 --> 00:52:44,239
get the one scene WHICH i think is a phenomenal

1322
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:48,760
scene when she does Save sam will bring on the

1323
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,920
rain BECAUSE i love That higgs finds a way To

1324
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,199
he uses the, guitar which we're gonna use the guitar

1325
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,280
to Set sam on, fire but they whenever he repeat,

1326
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,880
repatriots it's like it brings back that certain chemical that

1327
00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:02,199
starts to fire, again WHICH i, thought, man that what

1328
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,760
a what an awesome bad guy thing of all you're

1329
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,039
gonna die and you're kind of come back Like, sam

1330
00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:09,480
like burnt alive like seven, times like what an, awesome

1331
00:53:09,559 --> 00:53:11,599
just terrible. Thing SO i guess you got that as,

1332
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:13,800
well That rainy made the, Save SO i don't know

1333
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,840
if that's just another function Of kuldjima thought this great

1334
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,880
scene of doing what With? Sam like how DO i

1335
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:19,360
get out of?

1336
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 2: This so that's a good.

1337
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: POINT i did forget about, that and and then and,

1338
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,920
YEAH i THINK i kind of dismissed that fragile. Stuff

1339
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,880
and then another ONE i just kind of thought, of is, That,

1340
00:53:28,199 --> 00:53:30,079
yeah she kind of like obviously part of her story

1341
00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:32,119
is that she's just eternally, pregnant has like a still

1342
00:53:32,119 --> 00:53:35,920
born seventh seven maybe, yeah but she gets to pretty

1343
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,679
much kind of sort of be the mother to. Tomorrow

1344
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:40,599
and obviously at this point we don't really know that

1345
00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:43,400
it's like this weird baby situation that's going on WHEN

1346
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,559
i think this was like a teenage girl or early

1347
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:47,880
twenties or, something but obviously she kind of gets to

1348
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,039
have that bit of that mothering. Role SO i guess

1349
00:53:50,039 --> 00:53:51,880
like as a support, character maybe she did get to

1350
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:53,960
do a. LOT i guess maybe just in like the

1351
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,480
final you, know act of the game or.

1352
00:53:56,559 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 2: Something there's just not a whole lot for her to.

1353
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,559
Do but, YEAH i still liked her.

1354
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: Inclusion of. COURSE i think she's a fun person to

1355
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:03,639
have along for the.

1356
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,519
Speaker 3: Ride, yeah DEFINITELY i would have took it, more though

1357
00:54:06,679 --> 00:54:08,760
not LIKE i would have not been mad by more rainy.

1358
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:14,119
Speaker 1: Stuff so, yeah, Uh Tarman tarman is at one, POINT

1359
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,000
i don't know if. YOU i assume this was like

1360
00:54:17,039 --> 00:54:18,880
a mandatory, scene but maybe it was like some weird

1361
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,320
cut scene side thing where he. Talked he's talking about

1362
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,400
his hand and the fact that he lost his hand

1363
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,840
in this fishing, accident and he's, like, ah my, hand

1364
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:27,119
it's kind of like a phantom.

1365
00:54:27,199 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 3: Pain, yes, yeah, Yes internet's been very, happy lots of

1366
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,440
memes with that. One but, yeah did you.

1367
00:54:35,559 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: Did you read did you get his the backstory with his?

1368
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,559
Son did you get that cut? Scene because it's not

1369
00:54:39,639 --> 00:54:43,039
mandatory to get that cut, Scene, no, wife not, Yet, no, Okay,

1370
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,679
yeah so what you do IS i forget who gives you?

1371
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:46,840
Books it probably is.

1372
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:48,639
Speaker 2: HIM i think he gives you a, book and then

1373
00:54:48,679 --> 00:54:50,559
like in your, room in your private, room you can

1374
00:54:50,599 --> 00:54:52,920
look over at your shelf that has like the cryoat

1375
00:54:53,079 --> 00:54:57,239
crypto crypto. Biotes it has like the what else did

1376
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:58,480
they have on? It it's not the one with the.

1377
00:54:58,519 --> 00:55:00,599
Speaker 1: Camera it has like the, drinks and then there's like

1378
00:55:00,639 --> 00:55:03,400
books down below and you can there's A Moby dick

1379
00:55:03,559 --> 00:55:05,679
book and you can pick up The Moby dick book

1380
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,920
and then in it there is a picture Of tarman

1381
00:55:08,039 --> 00:55:09,920
and his, son and then you go into like this

1382
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,239
whole story Cut it's, like, well it's, not, yeah it's.

1383
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:14,880
Not there's no gameplay to it's just a cut scene

1384
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,559
that's maybe like five ten minutes, long and it SHOWS

1385
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:18,800
i don't, know do you want me to tell you

1386
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:19,920
what it is or do you want to watch it for?

1387
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 3: Yourself you can give me THE i all still watch,

1388
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,159
it but you give me the Cliff.

1389
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,039
Speaker 1: Nos, Okay i'll just tell you that it sets, up you,

1390
00:55:26,079 --> 00:55:28,000
know what happened with his son and is this whole.

1391
00:55:28,039 --> 00:55:29,079
Speaker 2: Scene SO i think it gave.

1392
00:55:29,119 --> 00:55:31,199
Speaker 1: Me it gave me a more of appreciation because it

1393
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,159
feels like it filled in some good backstory for. HIM

1394
00:55:33,159 --> 00:55:36,360
i thought it was interesting that it was an optional.

1395
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:40,119
SCENE i guess it's it's you, know not mandatory to the,

1396
00:55:40,199 --> 00:55:43,559
story but it does give you some good background on

1397
00:55:43,559 --> 00:55:45,519
this character who's obviously around for the whole, ride even

1398
00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:47,800
if he's more of like a support character than like

1399
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,400
a main main. Character BUT i like that. SCENE i

1400
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,360
thought it was well. Done it was, like you, know

1401
00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:54,559
as far As kajuma, goes like a really really great

1402
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:55,639
cut scene and.

1403
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 2: Like it BECAUSE i don't know if.

1404
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:58,639
Speaker 1: YOU i don't know if this has happened for, You

1405
00:55:58,639 --> 00:56:00,239
but you know when the sequence when everyone is is

1406
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,079
going to the beach and then everyone's in like this

1407
00:56:02,119 --> 00:56:04,679
weird floating water thing and everyone's kind of laying down

1408
00:56:04,679 --> 00:56:07,800
in a, circle were you wondering who a couple of

1409
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:08,320
those characters?

1410
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 2: Were where there a couple of people are like who

1411
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:10,679
are those? People?

1412
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 3: Well there was the one THAT i knew WAS i

1413
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,360
think the guy that was originally the holder Of lou

1414
00:56:16,119 --> 00:56:17,559
like that one of the random.

1415
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 1: Guys, OKAY i, SEE i there was one guy WHO

1416
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,119
i still don't know who he, is and it could

1417
00:56:22,159 --> 00:56:24,559
be that thing and made them forgetting or to, me

1418
00:56:24,599 --> 00:56:27,639
it also kind of looked like like Doll man as a,

1419
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:28,760
Human SO i was wondering.

1420
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,519
Speaker 3: There, Too yeah that's Doll. Man, Yeah domen is definitely. There, Okay,

1421
00:56:32,599 --> 00:56:33,920
yeah that's the seon one and there's a guy that

1422
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,159
kind of looks more, army And i'm pretty sure that's

1423
00:56:36,159 --> 00:56:38,159
the guy who Had lou in the first game because

1424
00:56:38,159 --> 00:56:40,920
at one, point remember you meet some receiver and he's,

1425
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,079
like Oh, SAM i haven't seen. You, well like you

1426
00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:46,000
still got my brother's like drinket or whatever he refers

1427
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,880
to his. Brother, yeah so that's what, happens where the

1428
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:50,719
guy that you went a mission with that Had lou

1429
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,840
and he dies and you take his Take luna his.

1430
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,400
Backpack you meet his brother's names Like mark or, something

1431
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,360
and they bring him. Back SO i think that's who that,

1432
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:58,400
was BUT i don't know if that.

1433
00:56:58,360 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 2: Was one of.

1434
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,199
Speaker 1: Them is Tarment, Son so if you, can that could

1435
00:57:02,199 --> 00:57:04,159
be the guy that you just like didn't wreckt. Me

1436
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,239
it could seem a screen, shop but obviously get in

1437
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:07,440
a full.

1438
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,599
Speaker 3: Cute, Okay so, this as you, said something you have

1439
00:57:09,679 --> 00:57:11,239
to do on the ship or is it a sub?

1440
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,199
Speaker 1: Order, no it's just in the. Ship and when you're

1441
00:57:14,599 --> 00:57:17,039
after you've gone to, sleep just uh yeah look over

1442
00:57:17,079 --> 00:57:19,840
at the at the thing to your. Right AND i

1443
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:24,519
was on the, bookshelf just read the book and then Up.

1444
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 3: AND i wish that was mandatory because As i've said

1445
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,119
BEFORE i don't Dislike, tarmann BUT.

1446
00:57:27,079 --> 00:57:29,079
Speaker 1: I, mean it wasn't hinted at that you would get

1447
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,360
something meaningful of doing. That BUT i guess there's so

1448
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,039
few things to do in your room that maybe you

1449
00:57:33,039 --> 00:57:35,239
would just happen upon, it which obviously happened to me

1450
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:35,480
at some.

1451
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 3: Point, Yeah so for, me it's, LIKE i let you, Know.

1452
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,840
Tarment it's fun that It's George, miller but for, me

1453
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,719
that's probably my least favorite, character just because not in

1454
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,400
a dislike, way just LIKE i. HAVE i have no

1455
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,159
attachment to him, really and then some cool Like kajima,

1456
00:57:49,239 --> 00:57:51,679
Stuff so that's. Good i'll go search that out the

1457
00:57:51,719 --> 00:57:53,119
next TIME i play, it Because i'd like to be

1458
00:57:53,159 --> 00:57:55,199
more connected to that, character even though the journey's kind

1459
00:57:55,199 --> 00:57:58,079
of over now still and retroactedly you, know think about.

1460
00:57:58,079 --> 00:58:02,159
Speaker 1: It so, yeah, Definitely, uh let's see you where do

1461
00:58:02,239 --> 00:58:05,280
we want to go To? Max maybe we can talk About,

1462
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:07,679
okay let's talk About sam and then lead this into

1463
00:58:07,719 --> 00:58:09,960
like the die hardman. Stuff SO i, MEAN i THINK

1464
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,199
i think one of my biggest issues with this game

1465
00:58:12,719 --> 00:58:14,519
is at some point in the, story you, know you're

1466
00:58:14,519 --> 00:58:17,559
doing your you're doing your, stuff you're Connecting. Australia and

1467
00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:20,199
then at some, point you, know even from the, beginning

1468
00:58:20,239 --> 00:58:22,159
AS i, mentioned LIKE i feel Like sam should have

1469
00:58:22,639 --> 00:58:25,360
so much a skepticism to why he would do any

1470
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,800
of this, stuff especially when so many characters like The

1471
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,079
president And charlie are kind of like shrouded behind not

1472
00:58:31,159 --> 00:58:33,559
even revealing like who they actually. Are To, sam it's

1473
00:58:33,559 --> 00:58:35,920
like you just trusting these, people or like you're trusting

1474
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,000
that Like fragile And crew trust these. People so it's

1475
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,639
like extra layers of. Disconnect but like for, me especially

1476
00:58:41,679 --> 00:58:44,199
when it starts ramping up and The president is starting

1477
00:58:44,239 --> 00:58:47,840
to come towards you with secret messages and he's.

1478
00:58:47,719 --> 00:58:50,559
Speaker 3: Like the private, Line, sam yeah he had blue and

1479
00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:53,280
then yeah right, away, Yeah, red don't don't Trust.

1480
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 2: Charlie you can't trust, anything he. Says you, know we.

1481
00:58:56,039 --> 00:58:57,519
Don't we don't trust this. Guy we think you might

1482
00:58:57,519 --> 00:58:58,000
be against.

1483
00:58:58,039 --> 00:59:00,679
Speaker 1: This but then Like charlie is telling youtinue to connect

1484
00:59:00,719 --> 00:59:04,079
all Of, australia, uh because that's what our goal, Entails

1485
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,239
and so it's like why and why at that point

1486
00:59:07,679 --> 00:59:10,400
Would sam still continue to do any of this mission

1487
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:11,079
and obviously.

1488
00:59:11,719 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 3: Effency, yeah yet nothing With, sam like he's no there's

1489
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,119
not even a. Choice it would have been fun of

1490
00:59:16,199 --> 00:59:18,599
like Choose, charlie choose the, president just like maybe just

1491
00:59:18,679 --> 00:59:21,039
small branches different and the result is the. Same but

1492
00:59:21,079 --> 00:59:21,400
it's just.

1493
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,639
Speaker 1: Like like he should we we should get like a

1494
00:59:23,679 --> 00:59:27,159
cuttinge or something where he talks To fragile or someone

1495
00:59:27,159 --> 00:59:30,280
else that he's considered to trusting a high, amount which

1496
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,079
probably would Be, fragile and just like maybe Maybe, dolman

1497
00:59:33,119 --> 00:59:34,679
but Doll mansill is a little bit mystery around him,

1498
00:59:34,719 --> 00:59:36,519
too but then, Yeah fragile would be the, one and

1499
00:59:36,599 --> 00:59:38,480
just be, like, hey what the f is going on?

1500
00:59:38,519 --> 00:59:39,039
Speaker 2: Here do you have more?

1501
00:59:39,079 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: Backstory please fill me in quick, Gas LIKE i, mean

1502
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,440
like tell me SHOULD i? Trust which one of these

1503
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,360
guys SHOULD i? Trust, because LIKE, i this is a

1504
00:59:45,639 --> 00:59:49,400
obviously we've seen what happens when you connect everyone of

1505
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,679
The kyrole, network and we know when we Finished, australia

1506
00:59:51,679 --> 00:59:53,280
it's go put another play gate and give him all

1507
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,639
this like new power across the globe and who knows

1508
00:59:55,639 --> 00:59:58,039
where that's gonna. Open so it just feels, like, MAN

1509
00:59:58,119 --> 01:00:00,960
i was really bothered by that that we're just given

1510
01:00:01,199 --> 01:00:04,599
an All and THEN i think the reason WHY i

1511
01:00:04,639 --> 01:00:06,960
didn't love it especially at the end is when we

1512
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,440
finally get to all this, reveal the president just like

1513
01:00:09,519 --> 01:00:12,519
exposition dumps tells you exactly what's going on that he

1514
01:00:13,039 --> 01:00:15,519
is not actually. Real it's actually like this the a

1515
01:00:15,719 --> 01:00:18,280
pass four, thousand these four thousand people that died and

1516
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,519
avoid out and created like this shared consciousness, beach, yeah

1517
01:00:21,519 --> 01:00:24,400
which is being used to kind of through the chiral,

1518
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,440
network communicate and like control the real. World and their

1519
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,880
goal is to connect everyone in the whole world to

1520
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:34,960
the chiral network so that they can essentially circumvent evolution

1521
01:00:35,079 --> 01:00:37,079
for mankind and put everyone on the chiral, network and

1522
01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:39,320
that way will remove any threat of like creating void

1523
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:40,559
outs because people won't be dying.

1524
01:00:40,599 --> 01:00:42,159
Speaker 2: Anymore they'll control.

1525
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,079
Speaker 3: Them because they want we want to keep them. Inside

1526
01:00:44,159 --> 01:00:45,119
we don't even want, to you.

1527
01:00:45,159 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 2: Know and then they'll control the whole. World and that's

1528
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,800
a huge that's a. Lot that's a bunch of.

1529
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: Reveals and then no less than two minutes, Later Die hartman's, like,

1530
01:00:53,519 --> 01:00:57,440
oh ACTUALLY i Am, charlie and Actually i've already circumvented

1531
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,239
that whole. Plot so all that exposition we've building to

1532
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,559
this huge, reveal none of it actually, matters and don't.

1533
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:06,159
Worry there's no consequences Because i've already gone ahead and

1534
01:01:06,199 --> 01:01:08,280
fixed it. All it's, like why the fuck did we

1535
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:09,599
spend all this time.

1536
01:01:09,559 --> 01:01:10,119
Speaker 2: Leading up to?

1537
01:01:10,159 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: This there's multiple sides of this. Story we get this

1538
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,360
huge reveal and then we just immediately go over it

1539
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,800
and like there's no gameplay sequence. Anything it just like

1540
01:01:17,159 --> 01:01:19,000
immediately goes to the solution of. That SO i was

1541
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,119
pretty bothered by the maybe just the pacing of, that and,

1542
01:01:22,159 --> 01:01:24,000
like once AGAIN i had big issues in the first

1543
01:01:24,039 --> 01:01:26,239
game of the pacing of the last section is just

1544
01:01:26,239 --> 01:01:27,679
like way way too dragged.

1545
01:01:27,679 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 2: DOWN i wish it was more.

1546
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,639
Speaker 1: SUCCINCT i feel that big time for this game as.

1547
01:01:30,639 --> 01:01:32,480
WELL i think that last when it feels like the

1548
01:01:32,559 --> 01:01:34,760
game is, over there's still, like, oh you got ten

1549
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,320
more hours of stuff to get, through and some of

1550
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,079
the gameplays, okay some of it's kind of, Boring but

1551
01:01:40,119 --> 01:01:41,880
then in terms of the story, STUFF i just feel

1552
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,480
like this game was way too slow to ramp up

1553
01:01:43,519 --> 01:01:45,320
to the story, reveals AND i just wish maybe that

1554
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:46,960
present thing should have happened hours and hours.

1555
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,079
Speaker 2: Earlier we sit with it for a, while.

1556
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: We deal with, it we come up with solutions and

1557
01:01:51,039 --> 01:01:53,599
then the die hardman reveal comes. IN i just feel

1558
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:57,079
like it was paced really. Horribly, Honestly, YEAH i.

1559
01:01:57,119 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 3: Don't i'm gonna mix on all of it BECAUSE i

1560
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,880
like that. IDEA i don't mind the setup of a

1561
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,280
bunch of people in tech getting fused with the beach

1562
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:06,719
and they got their own. Goal Like i'm, Like, okay

1563
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:09,360
there's like a third party going. On that's, good and

1564
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,119
that almost could have been like a villain amungs itself

1565
01:02:12,159 --> 01:02:15,639
to go further. ON i agree and push back on

1566
01:02:15,679 --> 01:02:17,800
the point you, made like on both sends on fifty

1567
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,639
to fifty WHERE i think they wrap it up all

1568
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,079
way too. Quick you're completely right about direct. MAN i

1569
01:02:23,119 --> 01:02:25,400
will say it is still consequential because they're the ones

1570
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,360
that Released higgs out into the, wild, Right so everything

1571
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,800
That higgs does is because of, Them so they still

1572
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,280
have an, impact and he's still like the final. Boss

1573
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:35,199
he still Takes lou away from him for a.

1574
01:02:35,239 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 2: While don't rerupt.

1575
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: You My my counterpoint to this is at this point

1576
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:43,119
of the, story we have Defeated higgs like five. Times

1577
01:02:43,239 --> 01:02:45,280
so at this Point i'm, like, not, OBVIOUSLY i know

1578
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:47,039
it's a video, game and we're gonna like win in the, end,

1579
01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:50,039
probably But i'm already, like, man we've killed this guy many.

1580
01:02:50,079 --> 01:02:52,480
Times i'm not scared of this guy. Anymore like he's

1581
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,960
a fucking. Goon we've killed him so many, times so,

1582
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:56,920
LIKE i know we're gonna kill him again if he's

1583
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,079
coming back. Whatever BUT i GUESS i didn't feel, like,

1584
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,119
oh there's some big bad when it's, like, hey well

1585
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,000
Like tomorrow accidentally killed him one, time you, know like

1586
01:03:04,159 --> 01:03:05,119
he's just dying right.

1587
01:03:05,159 --> 01:03:08,039
Speaker 3: Here, yeah but if they didn't release, him lou would

1588
01:03:08,039 --> 01:03:10,440
still be, around you, Know that's the thing at that

1589
01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:12,599
because they brought on the Whole Red necks at the

1590
01:03:12,599 --> 01:03:16,559
beginning With fragile and the babysitting, mate so they were still,

1591
01:03:16,599 --> 01:03:19,039
around right well, YEAH i mean like as a, baby you,

1592
01:03:19,039 --> 01:03:20,840
know he lost a lot of. Years BUT i do

1593
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,760
think it was wrapped up very. Quickly didn't love the

1594
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:27,719
die hardman stuff of in. GENERAL i didn't love the

1595
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,159
intro scene to Die. HARMON i thought to, me like

1596
01:03:30,199 --> 01:03:31,880
before it was all wrapped, up AND, i LIKE i,

1597
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:33,480
said completely agree with, you where it felt like it

1598
01:03:33,519 --> 01:03:36,119
was a bigger deal with very solve very easily and

1599
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:38,880
just kind of takes Like higgs take Center, stage which

1600
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,079
we'll get into BECAUSE i THINK i still like more than.

1601
01:03:41,119 --> 01:03:44,679
You but The Die harman, ONE i didn't like the

1602
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,519
scene Where charlie pops up and does a dance number

1603
01:03:47,559 --> 01:03:50,400
and they revealed To Die. Harmin that's where Sometimes kajima

1604
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,639
does go too, hard and for, Me i'm not post

1605
01:03:53,679 --> 01:03:56,079
that stuff being in. Here it was just at the

1606
01:03:56,239 --> 01:03:59,400
moment of this very because again they are pretty much

1607
01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:01,519
you're getting in the revelation that these are the people

1608
01:04:01,679 --> 01:04:04,480
Behind lou. Dying at this, point we don't Know Al

1609
01:04:04,519 --> 01:04:06,159
fanning Is, lou, right so you're just to tell, you,

1610
01:04:06,159 --> 01:04:08,719
Well higgs was. Released you guys released, him and you

1611
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,559
kill my daughter and Here's Die harmon doing a fucking musical.

1612
01:04:11,639 --> 01:04:13,599
Number it's like. That for me was not hittingim like

1613
01:04:13,639 --> 01:04:15,960
this should be a very important mote because that's one

1614
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,719
thing at, least THOUGH i agree with. You it's very,

1615
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,159
Long but like that stuff With omiley on the beach

1616
01:04:21,199 --> 01:04:23,840
and destrating, one there's no like comedy. Beats there's nothing

1617
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,320
that feels like. Odd it's all very heavy. Stuff it

1618
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:30,360
might be expositional. Stuff you're, like, wow this is very,

1619
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,400
wide but still it's all has the same tone that was,

1620
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,519
odd AND i Think Die hartman did not feel like

1621
01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:38,639
the same character as in the first. Game he did

1622
01:04:38,639 --> 01:04:40,880
not feel because Die harmon to me is very stir

1623
01:04:41,079 --> 01:04:43,320
AND i get. It times have, passed and his last

1624
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,800
scene In destranding is very crucial where he breaks down and.

1625
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:49,559
Cries but he's not, Eccentric he's not just like he's

1626
01:04:49,559 --> 01:04:52,199
so like, Friendly LIKE i feel LIKE i needed him

1627
01:04:52,199 --> 01:04:54,239
at to begin the game to see a journey to

1628
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:56,880
get from POINT a to POINT. B i get. It

1629
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:00,079
it has BEEN i think they, SAID i think it's, like,

1630
01:05:00,159 --> 01:05:02,760
UH i think it's like it's a year and a

1631
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:03,679
month because, yeah.

1632
01:05:03,639 --> 01:05:05,719
Speaker 1: A month jump and then there's like a month. Jump,

1633
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:07,280
yeah it's like about a year pretty.

1634
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 3: Much when was the eight it was eight month jump

1635
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:09,639
before After.

1636
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:13,079
Speaker 2: LOU i think that was like when he went To.

1637
01:05:13,199 --> 01:05:16,199
Speaker 3: Mexico, okay, yeah BECAUSE i Think lou was eleven months

1638
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,079
at the Time lou like, passed and then there's like

1639
01:05:19,079 --> 01:05:21,239
two months after, that so it's like he hasn't Seen

1640
01:05:21,239 --> 01:05:23,599
Die hardman for like a year and like that year. Month,

1641
01:05:23,679 --> 01:05:25,679
yeah definitely someone could. CHANGE i just felt like it

1642
01:05:25,719 --> 01:05:28,679
was not at all the same character or whatsoet he

1643
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,039
just feels so much more. CONFIDENT i JUST i don't,

1644
01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:33,000
Know i'm not confident the way in the first. Game

1645
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:36,880
the first game was very presidential and very not untrustworthy

1646
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,440
but kind of hard, ass like you wouldn't like Die Hard.

1647
01:05:39,519 --> 01:05:40,920
Man but this was just like he felt like he

1648
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,000
was best friends with saying, LIKE i don't, know it

1649
01:05:43,079 --> 01:05:45,360
FELT i almost wonder IF i would have liked Dead

1650
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:47,519
man in this role better somehow or and he was.

1651
01:05:47,559 --> 01:05:50,239
Gone but AND i don't get me, WRONG i really

1652
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,599
Like diehardman that first. Game it's like a kind of

1653
01:05:52,599 --> 01:05:56,119
a opposition in a sense. Too and, yeah it just

1654
01:05:56,639 --> 01:05:59,440
it didn't hit for, me like it was fun when he's, like,

1655
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:01,880
OH i think it's called THE dhv like that stuff,

1656
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,239
worked BUT i just, LIKE.

1657
01:06:04,199 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 2: I don't know IF i if they had shown off

1658
01:06:06,519 --> 01:06:08,119
like what this stood, for but like at no point

1659
01:06:08,199 --> 01:06:10,239
WAS i wondering. That and then it was like a

1660
01:06:10,239 --> 01:06:13,320
big reveal like this is Die Hardman. VESSEL i was,

1661
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,320
like is that is that supposed to be a big

1662
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:17,480
reveal or is this like a, Joke like because there's

1663
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:19,239
so many, yeah as you're mentioning like a lot of

1664
01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:21,639
moments of levity, THERE i couldn't tell that was supposed

1665
01:06:21,679 --> 01:06:23,400
to be kind of hamming up the goofiness of.

1666
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,079
Speaker 3: That, yeah and that's kind of the problem that for.

1667
01:06:25,159 --> 01:06:28,760
Me other than the fragile, reveal none of the big

1668
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,239
reveals really worked for. Me you, know the parentage one didn't,

1669
01:06:31,239 --> 01:06:33,440
Work Neil donna didn't, work the whole Dead man, one

1670
01:06:33,519 --> 01:06:36,480
The president, actually LIKE i, said The president one. WORKED

1671
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,960
i like. THAT i agree with you that the execution

1672
01:06:39,079 --> 01:06:42,199
was a great but a lot of the sometimes it

1673
01:06:42,239 --> 01:06:44,159
felt like there was just a reveal for the sake of,

1674
01:06:44,239 --> 01:06:46,239
reveal and that was die hardman where it didn't feel a.

1675
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:49,599
Natural oh, man this makes complete. Sense it was just

1676
01:06:49,639 --> 01:06:51,039
LIKE i said in the first episode where it's like

1677
01:06:51,079 --> 01:06:53,440
WHERE'S i? Heard? Man this feels? Odd and then oh,

1678
01:06:53,559 --> 01:06:55,519
kidding he's he's been on the ship the whole. Time

1679
01:06:55,559 --> 01:06:58,840
it's like all, right like, cool same.

1680
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,519
Speaker 1: Thing it was, like, yeah kind of two sides that

1681
01:07:02,159 --> 01:07:05,360
obviously the ONE i already mentioned of, like, man this

1682
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:08,119
guy won't even tell you who he, is which obviously he,

1683
01:07:08,199 --> 01:07:10,039
did but, like you, know he's not telling you who he,

1684
01:07:10,159 --> 01:07:11,599
is the fact that we trust, him LIKE i have

1685
01:07:11,679 --> 01:07:14,119
big issues with that as like, one Just, sam but

1686
01:07:14,239 --> 01:07:16,000
like everyone else on the on the ship, Too like

1687
01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:17,599
it just feels like so much trust to put in

1688
01:07:17,719 --> 01:07:18,760
like this complete question.

1689
01:07:18,679 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 3: Mark but.

1690
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:22,159
Speaker 1: TOO i, ACTUALLY i actually do love the hiding and

1691
01:07:22,199 --> 01:07:24,519
playing sight angle of it that, like oh, yeah you're

1692
01:07:24,599 --> 01:07:27,159
kind of what's, given like feel like a fake. Choice

1693
01:07:27,199 --> 01:07:29,800
obviously we discussed on that first, episode like she kind

1694
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:31,840
of we didn't pick Die herban, originally but like the

1695
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,039
game will always force you to. It but because it

1696
01:07:34,119 --> 01:07:35,920
feels like there is a bit of fake choice in,

1697
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,639
there it feels like it throws off the scent a little.

1698
01:07:38,679 --> 01:07:40,960
Bit but then just, like oh, yeah he actually is

1699
01:07:41,079 --> 01:07:43,000
just die hardman and that's the guy who he has

1700
01:07:43,079 --> 01:07:45,559
decided to. PORTRAY i think is a really fun idea

1701
01:07:45,639 --> 01:07:47,920
and FUN i find it funny that this game is

1702
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,679
kind of did this multiple, times like in the same

1703
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,679
sort of way with the affair and like the baby

1704
01:07:53,719 --> 01:07:54,960
and all this, stuff AND i feel like they're kind

1705
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,280
of just hiding what actually, happened like raid and fun

1706
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:58,960
of you the whole. Time and SO i THINK i

1707
01:07:59,079 --> 01:08:01,400
was that was. CLEVER i, LIKE i like that part of.

1708
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,360
IT i thought that was kind of a funny. Idea but,

1709
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,519
YEAH i, AGREE i think it was a weird thing,

1710
01:08:06,639 --> 01:08:08,159
because LIKE i don't. Know it's not like Die hartman

1711
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:11,199
was either of our favorites from that first game. Either and,

1712
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:12,840
Man I've i've heard. So i've listened to a few

1713
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,199
podcasts now people sharing their something the, game and so

1714
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:16,920
many people are saying, that, like, oh, yeah you can

1715
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:18,640
skip the first game and just play the second. One,

1716
01:08:19,359 --> 01:08:21,119
No i'm, like what the f is wrong with the,

1717
01:08:21,159 --> 01:08:23,039
Guys like maybe they haven't finished the game, yet but

1718
01:08:23,119 --> 01:08:25,439
now that especially we, have it's, like, man this Die

1719
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:28,479
hardman twist is gonna be a flat zero for people

1720
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:30,159
who have not played that first, game and even for

1721
01:08:30,279 --> 01:08:32,279
us who have. IT i was, like withn't like the biggest,

1722
01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:34,359
reveal but at least we can look back on it

1723
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:36,279
and be, Like, okay well there is some present for

1724
01:08:36,359 --> 01:08:37,039
who this character.

1725
01:08:37,199 --> 01:08:39,119
Speaker 2: Is but, YEAH i don't know if somehow you've gotten this.

1726
01:08:39,159 --> 01:08:42,119
Speaker 1: Far in the, podcast like play the first, game people are, saying,

1727
01:08:42,159 --> 01:08:43,880
oh the game plays so much better this time. AROUND

1728
01:08:45,159 --> 01:08:46,560
i kind of, Disagree, LIKE i think it's like a

1729
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:48,359
boat as good as the first game the gameplay, Wise

1730
01:08:48,399 --> 01:08:49,680
so it's, like go play the first, game you, know

1731
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:51,279
if you, don't if you don't like the gameplay either,

1732
01:08:51,319 --> 01:08:53,520
one then just watch it on, YouTube i, guess but

1733
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:54,760
like you need to play the first.

1734
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:56,359
Speaker 2: Game it's it's, yeah very.

1735
01:08:56,399 --> 01:08:58,520
Speaker 3: Relevant the only people that say that again to me

1736
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,079
are those people that really Love Mental Gear solid and

1737
01:09:01,159 --> 01:09:03,119
they want more of. That SO i guess if you're

1738
01:09:03,119 --> 01:09:05,640
a person that just skips the like you don't care

1739
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:07,399
what cut, scenes or people that do just skip cut

1740
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:09,359
scenes because they're out, there there's people that like just are,

1741
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:11,880
HEY i want the, gameplay THEN i could see. That

1742
01:09:12,039 --> 01:09:14,239
but to, me it's weird because this feels very much

1743
01:09:14,399 --> 01:09:17,880
like A dune one To dune, two where they feel very,

1744
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,520
connected like it's a, sequel but it feels very much

1745
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:23,760
just like the next. Part so any Reviews i've heard story,

1746
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:26,159
wise everyone saying you get suit the first, GAME i

1747
01:09:26,239 --> 01:09:29,840
think that's an asinine. Recommendation, obviously if you're listening to,

1748
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:32,960
this you would know that. Already but it's, yeah that's

1749
01:09:33,119 --> 01:09:35,119
that never made sense for me unless you're just playing,

1750
01:09:35,159 --> 01:09:37,760
GAMEPLAY i. Guess so, yeah, YEAH.

1751
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 1: I guess we can kind of talk about The indian

1752
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,439
seasons of the game that kind of leadsten to discussion On.

1753
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,199
Higgs but, yeah as you, mentioned we go to the,

1754
01:09:46,239 --> 01:09:47,800
beach we're on the. Beach it's you know in the

1755
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:49,720
title right, there the Shared beach of the four, thousand

1756
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:50,319
AND i do agree with.

1757
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 2: YOU i think that is a cool.

1758
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:53,640
Speaker 1: Idea LIKE i like the lore of, that AND i

1759
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,399
think it actually does kind of makes sense within the

1760
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:59,039
crazy nonsensical world that is de. Stranding but if four

1761
01:09:59,079 --> 01:10:01,199
thousand people die all in the exact same place at

1762
01:10:01,199 --> 01:10:02,680
the same, time it makes sense that there could be

1763
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,159
some connectivity between, them AND i think it makes for

1764
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:07,880
a cool set. Piece, obviously get like a Full kaiju sequence.

1765
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:11,560
THERE i love The magellan just being applied as like

1766
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,840
a helmet onto a onto a giant bet to like

1767
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:16,520
take over and then you can get like the little

1768
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,920
heart man like plus, thing not plus thumbs up, thing

1769
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:23,119
which which is it's very. Goofy BUT i enjoyed it

1770
01:10:23,159 --> 01:10:26,720
and like especially when that first, happens and Like i'm

1771
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,840
so that it's like a pheromone now WHENEVER i hear

1772
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,760
The magellan little sound, effect and so when that is

1773
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:34,840
popping up when The magellan comes to save the, Day

1774
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:37,119
LIKE i thought that was a really really cool, sequence

1775
01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:39,079
AND i like the combat, there and that's OBVIOUSLY i

1776
01:10:39,159 --> 01:10:41,239
think prior to that, scene you're given the guitar and

1777
01:10:41,279 --> 01:10:43,600
you could have used, it BUT i just didn't use

1778
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:45,079
it BECAUSE i was, LIKE i don't know how it

1779
01:10:45,119 --> 01:10:46,600
works That i'm scared to use. It but in that

1780
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:48,760
sequence you're forced to use, it and it's a cool.

1781
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:50,479
WEAPON i think, it's you, know a fun multi. Tool of,

1782
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,560
course you can swing it like a melee, weapon or

1783
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:54,039
you can charge it. Up you can do like fast

1784
01:10:54,119 --> 01:10:56,279
blasts like if you're shredding on the. Guitar SO i

1785
01:10:56,399 --> 01:10:58,520
really like that that as an, item AND i like

1786
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:00,359
that you're kind of forced to use it, there and uh,

1787
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:04,439
YEAH i mean there's what four or five phases to

1788
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:07,119
The higgs boss, fight like specifically at the end sequence,

1789
01:11:07,159 --> 01:11:08,880
Here so, UH i don't.

1790
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:10,319
Speaker 2: KNOW i GUESS i throw of you here to talk

1791
01:11:10,319 --> 01:11:12,439
About higgs's ennying. Sequence there's a whole lot in. There

1792
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:13,159
but where do you want to go?

1793
01:11:13,239 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 3: First, yeah from all that stuff you, mentioned that's WHERE

1794
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:19,000
i mentioned the first, episode just these scale and things

1795
01:11:19,039 --> 01:11:21,520
That i'm, like that's an epic proportion where we see

1796
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:25,000
stuff in games all the time and still Like i'm thirty,

1797
01:11:25,039 --> 01:11:27,560
two think About turn thirty two play log, games not

1798
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:30,000
all of, them BUT i feel like it's sometimes rare

1799
01:11:30,079 --> 01:11:32,239
and almost anything right a, MOVIES tv. Show it's like

1800
01:11:32,279 --> 01:11:34,680
there's so much content Just i've already consumed in these thirty.

1801
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:36,760
Years for, me it's hard to sit, back like, wow

1802
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:40,680
that Whole Beach ending of just the big bets and

1803
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:42,680
you're like The kaiju battles and, stuff and like you,

1804
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,039
said The Magellum dogg says they had like all of

1805
01:11:45,119 --> 01:11:48,840
my this is just fucking this is crazy stuff going

1806
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,079
on right. Now this Is matt and this is stuff

1807
01:11:51,119 --> 01:11:54,479
where it's just. Ridiculous where the first game had some big,

1808
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:57,920
moments but this was like The Beach ending with all like.

1809
01:11:58,039 --> 01:12:00,640
Speaker 1: One of those big ets at the end OF ds.

1810
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:02,560
One this this is kind of like it's kind of

1811
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,000
like The rise Of skywalker situation of just like, okay

1812
01:12:05,079 --> 01:12:08,840
now there's like one hundredth death exactly the things are.

1813
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 3: Going and now you got. One so it's again that's

1814
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:12,960
Where i'm watching. This i'm, like okay, AGAIN i can

1815
01:12:13,039 --> 01:12:15,960
see the cinematic movie stuff all over. It the, Guitar,

1816
01:12:16,199 --> 01:12:20,239
yeah that's The kajima weirdness. STUFF i like Where, okay

1817
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:24,079
the Whole hartman comes intoing a dance that doesn't work for.

1818
01:12:24,159 --> 01:12:26,800
Me but the idea Of, Hey higgs can make his own, weapons,

1819
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:28,439
Right so he's, just, Oh i'm gonna make a guitar

1820
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:30,199
because he played guitar in his real, life, Right And

1821
01:12:30,239 --> 01:12:31,520
i'm gonna make a, guitar and now it's gonna be

1822
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:34,279
a weapon that to me fits a. Character and that's

1823
01:12:34,279 --> 01:12:37,000
where it's, like it makes no sense for you As

1824
01:12:37,119 --> 01:12:40,079
hit or you And sam Versus higgs have a final

1825
01:12:40,159 --> 01:12:42,720
boss battle where you're fighting with guitars and you're strung along,

1826
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,279
notes but it makes sense Because higgs has made this a.

1827
01:12:45,359 --> 01:12:46,640
Weapon so that's where in the.

1828
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:48,640
Speaker 2: World then we're on the beach, now so things are

1829
01:12:49,119 --> 01:12:51,079
weird and can be, weird and it's a little more.

1830
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,239
Speaker 3: Okay AND i love all that. Stuff the only thing

1831
01:12:53,279 --> 01:12:54,800
again kind of like what we talk about the first.

1832
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:58,880
Episode it falls back into that to, me the Right

1833
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:01,479
skywalker thinking, like, okay that things being, bigger that's. FINE

1834
01:13:02,359 --> 01:13:04,039
i hate it and not. HATED i wish there was

1835
01:13:04,079 --> 01:13:05,600
a different way who did it where it was just.

1836
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:09,079
Okay it's because EVEN i love the moment When higgs

1837
01:13:09,119 --> 01:13:11,079
got destroyed with the guitar and fragile he got he

1838
01:13:11,159 --> 01:13:13,279
looked in the camera and, said no boss battle this,

1839
01:13:13,359 --> 01:13:15,079
TIME i was, like, oh that's, fun that's. Cool but

1840
01:13:15,199 --> 01:13:17,760
then you, know give a couple, hours you still do

1841
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,199
that boss, battle right because and that's that's the tough

1842
01:13:20,279 --> 01:13:23,359
thing WHERE i remember in the first game when we

1843
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:25,119
got that With higgs and we were on the beach

1844
01:13:25,199 --> 01:13:27,039
and those health barts came up to, me that was like,

1845
01:13:27,399 --> 01:13:29,920
this that's another thing that this is. Amazing that's SOMETHING

1846
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:31,279
i would never thought it was coming up in this

1847
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:34,640
moment where when it happens, again it doesn't have the same.

1848
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:38,119
Impact it kind of just feels like like reheated, Leftovers, Like,

1849
01:13:38,159 --> 01:13:39,800
okay we've done, This SO i wish there was a

1850
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:42,680
way to do a boss battle but make it a

1851
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:45,159
little bit. Different but the whole scene of them fighting

1852
01:13:45,239 --> 01:13:47,039
on top, Whatever and LIKE i, said when the baby comes,

1853
01:13:47,119 --> 01:13:50,760
in AND i liked all Of higgs's backstory as far

1854
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:53,199
as you, know he finally kind of came to peace

1855
01:13:53,239 --> 01:13:55,119
where he just because he had even with this character

1856
01:13:55,359 --> 01:13:58,239
for almost a, year he's alone on a bit like

1857
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:00,720
what that does to. Somebody and that's WHERE i like

1858
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:03,520
the differences Of higgs here and, there because you, go

1859
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:05,560
why is he chewing the? Scenery why is he a

1860
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:07,239
bit more. Crazy it's, like, well, yeah because he was

1861
01:14:07,239 --> 01:14:09,600
secluded for a year by himself on a beach with

1862
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:12,920
nothing until it's been like a lot longer than. That well,

1863
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:16,960
YEAH i don't know because well MAYBE i think he said,

1864
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:18,760
that BUT i think for us it's been eleven. Months

1865
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:20,439
but where he is time, WISE i think it's like

1866
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:22,640
an inception thing where it's moves slower for. Him so

1867
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:25,199
you're right because it in that, sense that's WHAT i

1868
01:14:25,279 --> 01:14:26,920
mean THAT i like. That and then these four thousand

1869
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:29,239
people find him in Unleasham so and LIKE i, SAID

1870
01:14:29,279 --> 01:14:31,319
i Thought Troy, baker especially near the end, STUFF i

1871
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:34,319
thought he was just just going for LIKE i, SAID

1872
01:14:34,319 --> 01:14:37,039
i that's my prediction right. NOW i think he's winning

1873
01:14:37,079 --> 01:14:39,399
The Acting, award come The Game. AWARDS i think he

1874
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:39,880
was JUST.

1875
01:14:40,039 --> 01:14:42,119
Speaker 1: I wonder if the only argument of gains THAT i

1876
01:14:42,159 --> 01:14:43,479
can see is that it's, Like, okay you got to

1877
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:45,399
get like forty hours into this game before you get

1878
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:45,920
into like that.

1879
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 3: Really, yes juicy.

1880
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,680
Speaker 1: Stuff and maybe you know that's a because a lot

1881
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:51,800
of people still don't like the gameplay of Dust randing

1882
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:52,560
and might not get to that.

1883
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 2: Point so But mad's got it.

1884
01:14:54,079 --> 01:14:56,159
Speaker 3: Right mad's won the game that, won AND i know

1885
01:14:56,199 --> 01:14:57,279
it's different because he's.

1886
01:14:57,119 --> 01:15:00,079
Speaker 2: Been Troy baker is like, us just that, name you,

1887
01:15:00,119 --> 01:15:02,319
know he's the. Guy yeah he did he win For.

1888
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:04,159
INDY i think he did win last year For, indy,

1889
01:15:04,279 --> 01:15:04,600
right so.

1890
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:07,600
Speaker 3: OH i can't. Remember you're probably, right but, yeah that's

1891
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:09,359
the thing for me WHERE i agree with you the

1892
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:11,560
first after she's, like, okay, yeah just regular. Hits but

1893
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:17,039
the back, HALF I I i loved how how crazy he,

1894
01:15:17,239 --> 01:15:18,720
was LIKE i, said you, inceerer but THEN i loved

1895
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,039
how kind of sad and melancholy he got got the

1896
01:15:21,199 --> 01:15:24,399
end and anytime you kind of invoke That Batman joker,

1897
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:25,840
thing that's where he kind of has With, sam where

1898
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:28,680
he's just like he's got nothing, else so his life

1899
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:32,079
is just like it's a perfect match Where higgs is

1900
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:35,760
a possessed beach demon And sam SOMEONE i can't. Die

1901
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,039
so it's, like, Well i'm just gonna we're gonna do this.

1902
01:15:38,199 --> 01:15:40,720
Forever and then obviously you Know. Higgs if there is

1903
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:42,439
a desk eRating, THREE i do hope we don't See

1904
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:45,319
higgs CAUSE i think it's it's a good. Time yeah

1905
01:15:45,359 --> 01:15:48,279
we've been, there done, That but to, me really enjoyed

1906
01:15:48,359 --> 01:15:50,840
all that, stuff like he, said could have could have

1907
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:52,640
used a bit more variety in some of the boss.

1908
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:55,039
Balls so but, yeah that. GUITAR i love using it

1909
01:15:55,159 --> 01:15:56,800
post the game BECAUSE i love that you can make.

1910
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:59,760
It BECAUSE i was really worried when you get back

1911
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:01,840
in regular gameplay the guitar is not on. You it was,

1912
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:04,359
like oh, no, like can't just be used? There but then,

1913
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:05,840
no you can go and build. It and that's the

1914
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:08,079
first THING i. DID i, yeah AND i which was

1915
01:16:08,319 --> 01:16:09,920
tough BECAUSE i did not have a lot of resources

1916
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:12,560
BECAUSE i lost a lot of. Them but love the,

1917
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:14,920
guitar AND i love going into like recovery missions and

1918
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:16,720
just AND i just imagine.

1919
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:19,119
Speaker 2: It takes like chiral, crystals like to just. Shoot is

1920
01:16:19,159 --> 01:16:19,560
that how it?

1921
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:21,279
Speaker 3: Works? Yeah it. Does. Yeah so that's where NOW i

1922
01:16:21,319 --> 01:16:23,560
collect those a lot. MORE i hope there's some sort

1923
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:25,960
of vehicle update THAT i can get that that would

1924
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:26,479
pick them up.

1925
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 1: Randomly like the fact that the truck doesn't is so,

1926
01:16:29,199 --> 01:16:32,079
aggravating especially because you get the you get like the latcher,

1927
01:16:32,159 --> 01:16:34,760
thing but it doesn't pick up the. Crystals that's where it's,

1928
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:36,640
like Sometimes i'm, like MAYBE i will use a bike

1929
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:38,239
BECAUSE i need to be collecting more of these because

1930
01:16:38,239 --> 01:16:39,439
you can just scoop those up as your D.

1931
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:41,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, so AND i don't. KNOW i think there's just

1932
01:16:41,199 --> 01:16:43,319
something in my headcans something. Funny when you're going to

1933
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:46,199
like a base to recover, something you just pull up

1934
01:16:46,199 --> 01:16:48,880
this guitar and just imagine what these random you, know

1935
01:16:49,079 --> 01:16:51,319
soldiers or bad guys are. Thinking SO i love THE

1936
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:53,600
i love the, guitar the. Charge the charge takes a little,

1937
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:55,359
bit AND i liked. THAT i thought that was a

1938
01:16:55,359 --> 01:16:57,199
good mission of him standing on all the monitors and

1939
01:16:57,239 --> 01:16:59,560
you shot, like this is a fun little boss battle,

1940
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:01,840
thing and so that that to me would have been.

1941
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:05,840
Fine Uh but, yeah, OVERALL i end up Enjoying higgs

1942
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:08,399
a lot more BECAUSE i when they Brought higgs, back it's,

1943
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:10,279
LIKE i don't know if we need to go back.

1944
01:17:10,359 --> 01:17:11,960
HERE i get That troy is a big, name but for,

1945
01:17:12,079 --> 01:17:14,680
ME i thought he did something a lot different with the.

1946
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:17,239
Character and that's also the writers as, well that they

1947
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:19,159
found a way for me to be invested in.

1948
01:17:19,279 --> 01:17:22,039
Speaker 1: Him so, yeah, YEAH i Think i'm more mixed on.

1949
01:17:22,199 --> 01:17:23,720
IT i do still think there are a lot of

1950
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,279
great moments and parts of those boss fights are quite.

1951
01:17:26,359 --> 01:17:28,800
FUN i MEAN, i AS i, MENTIONED i really like

1952
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:31,680
that first like Storm storm the gate kind of section

1953
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,319
of the beach sequence and that in that first. Area

1954
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:38,000
BUT i think really my criticism of the gameplay there is.

1955
01:17:38,039 --> 01:17:39,640
Everything it just takes like a little bit longer THAN

1956
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:41,159
i wanted, Too LIKE i wish all the health parts

1957
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:43,720
were like half what they, are and maybe maybe it's

1958
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:45,720
a brutal, difficulty so maybe that was part of. It

1959
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:47,600
but like you, know when we get to the point

1960
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:49,960
when we're doing like the fighting game like TWO d,

1961
01:17:50,159 --> 01:17:53,199
thing it's, Like, okay this is fun for like a,

1962
01:17:53,319 --> 01:17:55,279
minute but then when when, then when like the health

1963
01:17:55,319 --> 01:17:56,840
pool is big enough THAT i just have to slowly

1964
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:58,960
slog through. It it's, LIKE i guess that's probably part

1965
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,319
of the. Nerave they want you to feel exhausted and,

1966
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:02,760
tired so maybe it makes.

1967
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 3: Sense it's not a challenge at all, either, too, RIGHT

1968
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:05,920
i just feel like you're just kinda.

1969
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 1: Be even, Brutal like none of that sequence is a.

1970
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:12,439
Challenge and, honestly there was one or TWO bt fights

1971
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:15,119
that were hard for, me but like anytime you had

1972
01:18:15,119 --> 01:18:18,239
to fight the giant like tentacle like, creature because you

1973
01:18:18,319 --> 01:18:19,760
have to do it like two or three, times or

1974
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:21,800
any of the big mech ghost mech like.

1975
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:25,199
Speaker 2: Boss, fights all those were like extremely. EASY i, found

1976
01:18:25,279 --> 01:18:27,680
LIKE i never any point was like any in any

1977
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:30,479
sort of danger or close to close to. Death and

1978
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,079
that was kind of the same thing with all The

1979
01:18:32,159 --> 01:18:34,039
higgs fights at the end is none of them were

1980
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:37,760
really a challenge at, all which is which is, FINE i.

1981
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:38,399
GUESS i don't.

1982
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:40,600
Speaker 1: Know i'm not too worried about BECAUSE i did want

1983
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:41,920
to get to the story beats at that, point BUT

1984
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,760
i maybe wish the game like BECAUSE i mentioned on

1985
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:47,520
the first, episode like this game definitely lacks difficulty and

1986
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:49,880
it feels like that's maybe a point where you ratchet

1987
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:52,199
up a little bit of that go.

1988
01:18:52,279 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 3: Ahead. Oh the only one that had issues on THAT

1989
01:18:55,039 --> 01:18:57,159
i BECAUSE i UNTIL i figured it out and what

1990
01:18:57,279 --> 01:19:00,279
to use uh that. There it's near the end of

1991
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:03,840
when you do fight you complete the. Mission at the

1992
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:06,760
mission is When higgs Gets sam and he does a

1993
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:08,399
thing where LIKE i, said he sets you on fire

1994
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:10,800
and you keep coming back and stuff that defend the base.

1995
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:13,600
MISSION i was dine a few times, before but that's

1996
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:16,960
BECAUSE i was not using the rocket launcher on. Those

1997
01:19:17,319 --> 01:19:19,840
because those mechs that are like the spiders that like

1998
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:22,720
jump around. Everything those were fucking me, up AND i was,

1999
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:24,600
like what AM i doing? Wrong BECAUSE i was using

2000
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,079
the greenad, launcher because The grenada launcher on The red

2001
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:29,680
mechs or whatever that was LIKE i, said three to four.

2002
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:32,199
Shots sometimes if you nail nail perfectly and they're big enough,

2003
01:19:32,279 --> 01:19:34,880
radius you can mark them. Down but on like the spider,

2004
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:37,520
ones THOSE i don't eat like SEVEN.

2005
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 1: Plusu as soon as you kill one of them too

2006
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:42,000
and you go grab its gun and then use its,

2007
01:19:42,079 --> 01:19:45,640
gun it just destroys everything else like It'll it'll kill

2008
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:47,199
another one of those things in like half a.

2009
01:19:47,319 --> 01:19:49,680
Speaker 3: Second and that was the other thing THAT i realized that. One,

2010
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:51,880
okay use the Big, guru BECAUSE i feel like at

2011
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:53,760
this POINT i did not have the girl or the

2012
01:19:54,279 --> 01:19:56,439
it's not The grenadi. Launcher what is the the quadruple,

2013
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:58,399
RIGHT i did not have that just equipped in my

2014
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:01,199
regular truck because Like i've said, BEFORE i don't care

2015
01:20:01,199 --> 01:20:03,000
how many weapons on. Me i'm like a bowl of

2016
01:20:03,079 --> 01:20:06,119
gun LIKE i try to place like the silent sneak,

2017
01:20:06,159 --> 01:20:08,560
way so the second that was laying, AROUND i use,

2018
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:10,439
It and, okay that's WHY i use. It when you

2019
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:12,640
get that. Gun that was another moment WHERE i felt,

2020
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:16,000
like there's that scene in the First guards Of galaxy

2021
01:20:16,399 --> 01:20:18,800
when it's green rocket And grew gets that a rocket

2022
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:20,600
gets that gun when they're in the prison and he's

2023
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,159
like oh, yeah and he like he like charges. Up

2024
01:20:23,239 --> 01:20:25,159
that's that was. ME i literally get, like oh, Yeah

2025
01:20:25,199 --> 01:20:27,319
and that's where it's, like, okay ONCE i figure out

2026
01:20:27,359 --> 01:20:30,239
the strategy of, okay quadruple the spider get the spiders.

2027
01:20:30,319 --> 01:20:33,279
Thing then it was a. Breeze so that thing where

2028
01:20:33,319 --> 01:20:35,479
it's like not like an, UNLOCK i just wasn't doing.

2029
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:37,119
It but that was the only One i'd say was.

2030
01:20:37,199 --> 01:20:39,560
Challenging and next was the. Bridge but the bridge WHEN

2031
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:41,520
i never, DIE i just got that was CLOSEST i

2032
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:44,640
got to Low, amo BUT i luckily killed one then went.

2033
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:46,359
Forward but that those were the two so.

2034
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:51,119
Speaker 1: Nice, Yeah and THEN i think, narratively you've brought up

2035
01:20:51,119 --> 01:20:52,359
a lot of the good things AND i agree with.

2036
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:55,000
Those with the final, SEQUENCE i think my only criticism

2037
01:20:55,079 --> 01:20:57,600
there was it just became a bit too close to

2038
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,319
the narrative of the first game of Like higgs acquiring

2039
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:04,720
AN e and extinction event and then like pretty much

2040
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:06,319
doing the same. Thing there just with like a different,

2041
01:21:06,399 --> 01:21:08,960
character so just felt, Like, okay we're kind of we're

2042
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:11,439
kind of replaying the classics here a little bit instead

2043
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:12,640
of something new and.

2044
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:13,600
Speaker 2: Fresh and that's WHERE i.

2045
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 1: WAS i think throughout the, GAME i was hoping That

2046
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:18,359
higgs would not be like the primary, villain and he

2047
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:20,039
kind of, did but then it's also kind of shrouded

2048
01:21:20,079 --> 01:21:22,399
between like a past four thousand and this kind of

2049
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:24,159
group as you're, mentioning which is kind of like this

2050
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:26,720
one larger, entity but, like obviously he's kind of the

2051
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:29,399
face of, it even though we had this president, character

2052
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:31,279
but he's kind of kind of the face of.

2053
01:21:31,319 --> 01:21:32,119
Speaker 2: It so, YEAH i don't.

2054
01:21:32,119 --> 01:21:34,319
Speaker 1: KNOW i GUESS i was hoping for something a little bit,

2055
01:21:34,319 --> 01:21:36,079
Differently BUT i do think that there are some good

2056
01:21:36,119 --> 01:21:38,600
moments in their, OVERALL i kind.

2057
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 3: Of think the, better you, KNOW i liked what they

2058
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:42,960
end up doing With, higgs BUT i kind of thought

2059
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:44,640
the better narrative wrote with him would have been for

2060
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,520
him And sam to maybe team up to take this thing,

2061
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:50,319
down you, know because that would have because especially at

2062
01:21:50,359 --> 01:21:52,159
the end when he's kind of just saying, like, oh

2063
01:21:52,399 --> 01:21:54,800
like they he was a, weapon they just point, right

2064
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:56,199
they even say That i'm, like, well we just need

2065
01:21:56,279 --> 01:21:58,239
to get some of your attention and caused some. Destruction

2066
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:00,479
if he would have kind of realized is that he,

2067
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:03,000
was you, know almost Like, doman where he's a puppet

2068
01:22:03,039 --> 01:22:03,439
in this whole.

2069
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 1: Thing BUT i, think BUT i think the other angle to,

2070
01:22:06,039 --> 01:22:08,159
it AND i thought this part was particularly powerful is

2071
01:22:08,239 --> 01:22:10,000
like he was talking about how he's been alive for so,

2072
01:22:10,159 --> 01:22:12,560
Long like that's one of the primary reasons why he

2073
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:15,399
wanted to create the extinction in the first, place because

2074
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:16,640
he was just, like he just wants to.

2075
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:18,720
Speaker 2: DIE i think that's where that.

2076
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:22,520
Speaker 1: Was like, narratively once, again there's so many similarities Between

2077
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:26,239
sam And, higgs obviously in the ending, sequence like particularly

2078
01:22:26,239 --> 01:22:28,119
when you get down to that final like side by

2079
01:22:28,199 --> 01:22:31,119
side guitar battle, sequence and they both have like the same,

2080
01:22:31,199 --> 01:22:33,880
hair they both look the exact same they're, having they

2081
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:35,680
have the same. Weapon obviously they're trying to make those

2082
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:37,800
parallels pretty. Similar but like going back to the start

2083
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:39,800
of the game Where sam is just trying to kill

2084
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:43,039
himself and that's kind of exactly What higgs is doing. Too, True,

2085
01:22:43,159 --> 01:22:45,439
yeah so really dark and so obviously drying those comparisons,

2086
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:47,199
There but, YEAH i THINK i just don't think it

2087
01:22:47,199 --> 01:22:48,880
would have really made, Sense like this is kind of

2088
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:50,359
All higgs has ever, won AND i think in the

2089
01:22:50,399 --> 01:22:52,520
first game there was less nuance to, it and now

2090
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:53,960
we got a bit more of that nuance because we

2091
01:22:54,039 --> 01:22:55,760
get some of this backstory going on with, him and

2092
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:58,279
so that's that's good to, have but it's unfortunate, that, like,

2093
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:00,279
well when you boil it down to like the actual

2094
01:23:00,359 --> 01:23:02,359
actions of, it it is pretty much the exact same

2095
01:23:02,399 --> 01:23:04,479
as the first, game or at least like that ending

2096
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:08,279
sequence With amilee herbing the extinction event in that, case

2097
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:11,319
in this case it Being tomorrow Or, lou.

2098
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:14,319
Speaker 3: Which again that was another THING i thought was coming in,

2099
01:23:14,359 --> 01:23:18,760
again where that he Had omiley's, bracelet meaning what's His

2100
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,640
Higgs and then then you had to go back to your,

2101
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:25,800
sanctuary your home to find, that and it like find

2102
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:27,840
some omally to get you. THERE i like that, again

2103
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,920
just settle so LONGLY i thought the whole, time she's coming. Coming,

2104
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:32,760
no it was just kind of like a. SHADOW i

2105
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:35,880
did really. Enjoy two THINGS i don't THINK i mentioned

2106
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:37,439
is the first. GAME i love the first time you

2107
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:39,840
go to your home and there's all the BET's around

2108
01:23:40,319 --> 01:23:42,319
And lou's grabbing, him like what the hell's going? On

2109
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:44,359
then when it's just like a, holgrom, like oh that

2110
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:47,239
what a, cool great, idea like you put a bunch

2111
01:23:47,279 --> 01:23:50,479
of beats for people from your. House but the other

2112
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:52,199
PART i liked is when you go back near the

2113
01:23:52,279 --> 01:23:54,720
end of the game and, all and this kind of

2114
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:56,640
helped me a little bit with that twist in the

2115
01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:59,880
middle of the Whole oh, lo you Know Sam lou is.

2116
01:24:00,039 --> 01:24:02,279
Dead he hadn't figured it out when he goes back

2117
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:04,640
and you, know he just walks in his place and

2118
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:07,079
he's have all these. Memories and then When sam walks,

2119
01:24:07,159 --> 01:24:09,640
out you can see the entire house is just like

2120
01:24:10,199 --> 01:24:13,880
looking Like Resident evil seven, biohazard where everything's messed, up it's,

2121
01:24:14,159 --> 01:24:15,880
bad it's, dark where when he walked in it just

2122
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:18,359
looked like the normal place With. Lou so that did

2123
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:20,960
help me a little bit Of, okay maybe this maybe,

2124
01:24:21,039 --> 01:24:24,119
Again sam is not only because a, tragedy but he

2125
01:24:24,199 --> 01:24:29,199
has some, mentally you, know some mental illness that he

2126
01:24:29,359 --> 01:24:31,920
might not be able to process this stuff the best. Way,

2127
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:33,840
again wish we could see more of, That BUT i

2128
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:36,199
did like that scene where, oh you, know he's having

2129
01:24:36,239 --> 01:24:38,279
these good times that he. Walked it's just, dark, like oh,

2130
01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:38,920
damn you.

2131
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:43,359
Speaker 1: Know, yeah good, call, call let's take our last ad

2132
01:24:43,399 --> 01:24:45,199
break of the. Show we're mostly through the, STORY i

2133
01:24:45,279 --> 01:24:47,800
think at this. Point but, yeah we'll be right. Back,

2134
01:24:50,159 --> 01:24:53,399
okay we are, Back SO i guess what we have

2135
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:55,960
left we have to talk? About, yeah the kind of

2136
01:24:56,399 --> 01:24:59,159
very ending sequence with. Tomorrow lo is there anything other

2137
01:24:59,239 --> 01:25:01,279
than that story wise that we haven't talked on, yet

2138
01:25:01,399 --> 01:25:04,159
or any of the other, characters any like main story.

2139
01:25:04,279 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 3: Characters uh, no like you already mentioned, it but like you're,

2140
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:10,520
talking we're talking about like emotional scenes. WHATNOT i did

2141
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:14,800
actually thought that scene when they show everybody in a

2142
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:17,520
circle and whatever That nether realm was that really hit.

2143
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:19,680
Me that was like of loving the first, game like

2144
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:22,800
even seeing mama and her sister everybody that's like a

2145
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:26,680
full circle Of, Okay I'm I'm i'm seeing a moment

2146
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:28,920
right here that that one hit me of being all.

2147
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:31,880
Connected and AGAIN i didn't love how it, worked but

2148
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:33,600
at least that kind of worked for me a little

2149
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:38,239
bit With Neil van of, Like, okay lots of stuff didn't,

2150
01:25:38,239 --> 01:25:41,760
work but the idea of this baby comes into the you,

2151
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:44,640
know Beach nether realm and he's gonna protect it because

2152
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:46,760
that's the love of his life's, daughter and it's, like,

2153
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:49,039
OKAY i could boy like that worked for, me is

2154
01:25:49,079 --> 01:25:50,840
at least With Neil van it's SOMETHING i can say

2155
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:53,439
positively so because in that, circle it's kind of LIKE

2156
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:55,960
i don't Know, sam you know the guy Because sam's

2157
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:57,760
wife's don't even that, circle and it's, like Does sam

2158
01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:00,319
want the guy who you know is having A pharah's

2159
01:26:00,319 --> 01:26:02,600
wife and Sirl but it makes sense because that guy

2160
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:05,600
Got lou back right like he Protected lou in a way,

2161
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:08,600
Too so it's, like, okay, AGAIN i like that where

2162
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:10,319
it's like they all have these issues and, conflicts but

2163
01:26:10,399 --> 01:26:13,239
they all came. Together so, no there's. That i'm trying

2164
01:26:13,279 --> 01:26:17,640
to think if there's Anything, yeah LIKE i, said nothing normally. Die,

2165
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:22,039
okay here's one. Too in the we'll talk about in

2166
01:26:22,159 --> 01:26:24,520
that kind of montage Like Austin fragile's, gone and then

2167
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:27,439
at the end we'll talk about they reveal certain things very,

2168
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:30,880
odd especially we'll talk about in the second if there's

2169
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:33,399
gonna a third one very hot THAT I i Thought

2170
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,760
hartman was gonna get like a happy ending or an.

2171
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:39,479
Ending it felt like he still, didn't, right because it's still.

2172
01:26:39,359 --> 01:26:41,239
Speaker 2: YEAH i predicted our last upsod that he was dying

2173
01:26:41,319 --> 01:26:42,680
and he didn't.

2174
01:26:44,079 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 3: And he didn't find his, family because the whole point

2175
01:26:46,079 --> 01:26:47,920
is he's gonna find a, beach and when he finds that,

2176
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:49,560
beach he's gonna track and he's gonna die and then

2177
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,359
join his. Family SO i, thought especially With kagema being, like,

2178
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:54,680
hey at, first we'll talk about his new. Quote but

2179
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:56,119
at first he's, Like i'm not making a third. ONE

2180
01:26:56,159 --> 01:26:57,680
i was, like, WELL i feel like he had close

2181
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:00,319
off all these loops and that's that kind of sucks

2182
01:27:00,359 --> 01:27:02,399
That hartman's just still just out, there just trying to

2183
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:04,600
find his. Family maybe that's just like WHAT kuldi even want, it,

2184
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:06,319
right he just wants like a character that's kind of.

2185
01:27:06,399 --> 01:27:09,319
Tragic BUT i thought that it's, weird like Even rainy

2186
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:12,760
gets like an ending Where hartman. Doesn't He SO i

2187
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:15,680
helped out see you, later you, know so oh, okay, yeah.

2188
01:27:16,039 --> 01:27:18,199
Speaker 1: Yeah that was a CHARACTER i felt like they were

2189
01:27:18,239 --> 01:27:20,439
doing a lot with when like he wasn't in the

2190
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:21,880
first half of the, game but once you get to

2191
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:24,199
his lab and you connect with, him and then in

2192
01:27:24,359 --> 01:27:25,960
like that second half of the, GAME i feel like

2193
01:27:26,399 --> 01:27:28,000
the first chunk of, it there's there's a lot of

2194
01:27:28,039 --> 01:27:30,479
stuff going on. There there's even obviously the sequence with

2195
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:32,520
Dead man when he's kind of going around the ship

2196
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:33,920
and he's a little bit suss and you're, like, oh

2197
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:35,760
what's going on? Here and then it finds, Out, okay

2198
01:27:36,239 --> 01:27:38,359
Dead man and him have been communion and talking through

2199
01:27:38,399 --> 01:27:40,399
this like hidden realm and all that makes. Sense but,

2200
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:42,359
yeah then you're. RIGHT i feel like there's even that

2201
01:27:42,399 --> 01:27:44,800
sequence where he's like going to the beach to try

2202
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:48,079
and track Down higgs and he's like not really able

2203
01:27:48,159 --> 01:27:49,960
to do it or. Something he's like he like doesn't

2204
01:27:50,079 --> 01:27:52,199
know where they are or something like maybe he doesn't

2205
01:27:52,199 --> 01:27:53,880
find them. EVENTUALLY i forget what the plot point, is but,

2206
01:27:54,239 --> 01:27:57,199
yeah he kind of kind of just like there for

2207
01:27:57,279 --> 01:27:59,800
that ending. Sequence it feels like Dead man's taking more

2208
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:02,640
of the controls at that. Point he's like making more

2209
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:05,399
choices or having more like say on the. Dialogue but,

2210
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:07,760
yeah you're. RIGHT i think it's a kind of kind

2211
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:09,960
of odd where we leave off with With hartman at

2212
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:10,640
the the end of.

2213
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:15,600
Speaker 2: It, yeah, yeah, OKAY i, guess, yeah let's talk about

2214
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:18,920
some of this. Sequel, Sequel so, yeah can you remind

2215
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:21,239
me on that quote that he said about a sequel?

2216
01:28:21,319 --> 01:28:22,039
Situation what was?

2217
01:28:22,079 --> 01:28:24,199
Speaker 3: That So i'll, paraphrase but he pretty much said, that

2218
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:27,640
you know, There i'm not gonna make a third. GAME

2219
01:28:28,279 --> 01:28:31,159
i have an idea for a, third but that could

2220
01:28:31,199 --> 01:28:33,239
be for someone. ELSE i will get the official quote

2221
01:28:33,239 --> 01:28:34,760
what we're talking, about but it's just pretty much, That

2222
01:28:35,079 --> 01:28:38,720
and that's WHERE i guess that's what, this uh maybe idea,

2223
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:41,560
is because he didn't want to Say ossie as a game's, launching, like,

2224
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:43,359
oh this is what he, did but he SAID i

2225
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:49,720
had you, know let's, see uh reddit article originally. Deleted my,

2226
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:51,119
Goodness so, yeah it's.

2227
01:28:51,159 --> 01:28:54,680
Speaker 1: WORSE i mean, yeah going going off, THAT i mean,

2228
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:56,920
Yeah i'd be really interested to see if he does

2229
01:28:57,079 --> 01:29:00,239
hand off this ip to someone else with this in

2230
01:29:00,279 --> 01:29:03,520
the PlayStation family or moves. ELSEWHERE i would be, really,

2231
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:06,239
yeah really curious to see which company takes it. Over

2232
01:29:06,279 --> 01:29:08,479
AND i THINK i would be down for that potentially gameplay,

2233
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:11,720
wise to just, See, okay how does another studio take

2234
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:13,359
like this core porter type.

2235
01:29:13,199 --> 01:29:15,520
Speaker 2: Mechanic delivery. Mechanic what do they add to? It what

2236
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:16,039
do they strip?

2237
01:29:16,079 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 1: Away do they make the combat a little bit more

2238
01:29:18,039 --> 01:29:19,920
interesting BECAUSE i don't think it's great in this. Game

2239
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:22,680
there's more of, it but it's not like fantastic by any.

2240
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:25,319
Means BUT i think for, me like what would make

2241
01:29:25,319 --> 01:29:28,960
the most sense is obviously there's so much dialogue and

2242
01:29:29,359 --> 01:29:32,560
theming around connection in this, game and you're kind of

2243
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:35,439
you have these multiplayer mechanics where you're kind of interacting

2244
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:38,279
with other players in a roundabout. Way but obviously with

2245
01:29:38,359 --> 01:29:43,039
the setup Of lou becoming a porter, HERSELF i feel

2246
01:29:43,039 --> 01:29:45,439
like it's kind of ripe for a co op game

2247
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:48,399
where you'd have two players at the same time playing

2248
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:51,880
As sam And lou doing deliveries, together and who knows

2249
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:54,920
what kind of antics that would add to the. Gameplay

2250
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:56,880
but like The, goofy WHEN i was, THINKING i can

2251
01:29:56,920 --> 01:30:00,039
only think of like Physics goofy physics y, Games But

2252
01:30:00,079 --> 01:30:02,079
i'm thinking of, like you know how at some point

2253
01:30:02,399 --> 01:30:05,159
in these stories you have to carry a body to

2254
01:30:05,279 --> 01:30:07,680
to like the incinerator or. Something, well, now what if

2255
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:09,640
you had to like carry a stretcher as like two

2256
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:11,439
of you as are going up the side of a

2257
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:13,239
mountain and all this kind of. Stuff So i'm sure

2258
01:30:13,279 --> 01:30:15,680
there could be some interesting mechanics added in there for

2259
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:17,479
a co op, thing SO i think that could be the.

2260
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:19,560
Case or you just switched over To lou and she

2261
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:21,359
has like slightly different, powers.

2262
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:24,319
Speaker 2: Different, mechanics so you switched up a little, bit but

2263
01:30:24,359 --> 01:30:26,199
you still keep that core gameplay loop.

2264
01:30:26,239 --> 01:30:29,359
Speaker 1: There and, YEAH i, MEAN I i'm down for a.

2265
01:30:29,399 --> 01:30:32,159
SEQUEL i Think i'm not super duper hot on, This

2266
01:30:32,399 --> 01:30:34,119
like it's. WEIRD i still want to play this, game

2267
01:30:34,159 --> 01:30:36,479
AND i, LIKE i like just mess around in, it

2268
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:38,119
BUT i do feel like it's a lot it's this

2269
01:30:38,279 --> 01:30:40,319
game has overall been a lot less impactful for me

2270
01:30:40,399 --> 01:30:42,760
than that first game. WAS i know a lot of

2271
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:44,359
that is like that the story really let me. DOWN

2272
01:30:44,359 --> 01:30:46,159
i THINK i explained a lot of those reasons why

2273
01:30:46,279 --> 01:30:47,640
and all those sequences.

2274
01:30:47,199 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 2: There that we just talked.

2275
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:50,880
Speaker 1: About but, Yeah i'd be down for More Death, stranding

2276
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:53,199
BUT i THINK i. Am i'm ready For kajima to

2277
01:30:53,239 --> 01:30:55,840
do something else right. NOW i don't, know maybe he

2278
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:58,039
never comes back To Death stranding because he's getting. Older

2279
01:30:58,079 --> 01:30:59,880
who knows how many more games he's gonna make it a,

2280
01:31:00,079 --> 01:31:00,520
lifetime you.

2281
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:03,720
Speaker 3: Know, yeah so the official quote, was, yes oh you

2282
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:06,880
Make Dester anthony, SAYS, i of course don't have any

2283
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:09,319
plans to do, that BUT i already have a concept

2284
01:31:09,359 --> 01:31:11,479
for another. Sequel i'm not going to make, myself but

2285
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:13,720
IF i pass it on to someone, else they could

2286
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:15,560
probably make. It and that's WHERE i am BECAUSE i

2287
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:18,000
kind of feel LIKE i because it's funny that that's

2288
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:20,159
where you took. It the multiplayer. ROUND i took it

2289
01:31:20,239 --> 01:31:22,760
as what would be, new AND i think this again

2290
01:31:23,279 --> 01:31:25,760
for you and even myself might end up liking it

2291
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:28,680
less IS i feel like the new stuff would be

2292
01:31:30,279 --> 01:31:33,560
being a porter but having all those abilities That lou

2293
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:35,600
has right like in those fight. Scenes, AGAIN i think

2294
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:37,479
that gets it. More in the middle gear, STUFF i

2295
01:31:37,479 --> 01:31:40,279
guess that makes it more action, y but that is

2296
01:31:40,399 --> 01:31:43,880
something where it's, Like, okay you could make the bet

2297
01:31:44,079 --> 01:31:48,000
situations the boss bous much grandier because it's not While

2298
01:31:48,119 --> 01:31:50,960
sam with guns and blood. Bags it's your. Loo you

2299
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:53,079
can tell report from floor to, floor you can use the.

2300
01:31:53,119 --> 01:31:55,680
Bat SO i think especially, too like even the first,

2301
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:58,199
game WHEN i replayed or watched the movie, again and

2302
01:31:58,279 --> 01:32:00,680
that's like the first talking About, higgs when you get

2303
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:04,039
introduced this idea of, oh is his dooms are so

2304
01:32:04,199 --> 01:32:06,680
in touch that he can control these. BT's that's a

2305
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:09,640
very like rare thing they talk, about, right that the

2306
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:11,239
fact that he's so in. Tunes so the idea THAT

2307
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:14,000
i think that's something you could do where you could

2308
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:16,880
be like riding A bt instead of a bike and. Everything,

2309
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:18,800
LIKE i think there's tons of things you could do

2310
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:20,960
with THE bt and lose powers.

2311
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:22,800
Speaker 1: And it can almost be like Like prey where it's,

2312
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:26,079
like depending on how many of these LIKE bt type

2313
01:32:26,159 --> 01:32:28,239
upgrades you, take it has an effect on your character

2314
01:32:28,319 --> 01:32:31,239
and the story. Overall whereas if you just like maybe

2315
01:32:31,279 --> 01:32:33,359
don't mess around with any of THOSE bt upgrades in

2316
01:32:33,399 --> 01:32:35,439
the skill, tree you know your character stays more pure

2317
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:36,279
or something that could.

2318
01:32:36,079 --> 01:32:38,199
Speaker 3: Be or even the packages right you can get you

2319
01:32:38,239 --> 01:32:40,239
can get to place as much faster than a, vehicle

2320
01:32:40,319 --> 01:32:43,000
but there's still gonna be SOME bt juice and slime on.

2321
01:32:43,079 --> 01:32:45,279
These so like you, know if you want to get

2322
01:32:45,319 --> 01:32:47,520
them done, quickly, sure but if you want those legends

2323
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:49,920
of legends, legends you don't want to be using THE bt, thing,

2324
01:32:50,039 --> 01:32:52,319
right that would be almost a great way of the

2325
01:32:52,399 --> 01:32:54,760
way when you use the, pagellants, like, well your grade

2326
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:56,760
will be. Lower same. Thing it's, like, well you could

2327
01:32:56,880 --> 01:32:59,039
you could just fast. Out you could be like The

2328
01:32:59,119 --> 01:33:01,600
flash and get across it like nothing with A bt

2329
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:04,319
but you're gonna damage these bagg or it's just gonna,

2330
01:33:04,319 --> 01:33:06,239
have LIKE i, said some of the juice. There so for,

2331
01:33:06,399 --> 01:33:09,119
me that's the ROUTE I i think they would. Take

2332
01:33:09,199 --> 01:33:11,680
and it's funny, because like in that ending when she

2333
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:13,560
WHICH i thought was, great, right all the times they

2334
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:15,560
go to. It the first time in the, game it's

2335
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:18,760
Just sam sitting on that mountain with Young. Lou the

2336
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:21,279
second time they go it's When lou's, gone he's, alone

2337
01:33:21,319 --> 01:33:23,319
and then the third time it's When lou's grown, up you,

2338
01:33:23,359 --> 01:33:25,199
know a woman doing her own part. THING i think

2339
01:33:25,279 --> 01:33:27,840
that kind of cycle is really good. There and to,

2340
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:31,640
me that's where WHAT i THINK i want. More and

2341
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:34,960
even with you know what happened With, LOU i still

2342
01:33:35,039 --> 01:33:38,960
like the. Story i'm down for a complete just almost

2343
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:41,920
like destraating one game of like very similar the whole,

2344
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:44,960
thing but just different, character different. Story i've said this,

2345
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:46,920
before even with the, Movie i'm down if they want

2346
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:48,960
to just it's something in the, world but it's a

2347
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:51,520
PORTER i think there. Is you could do a great

2348
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:53,199
hour and a half movie of just someone having to

2349
01:33:53,239 --> 01:33:55,399
get from point a point being dealing with BT's you

2350
01:33:55,399 --> 01:33:59,039
don't got to deal with the extent with the what

2351
01:33:59,159 --> 01:34:03,319
are they, called yeah, exactly or like what's it Like.

2352
01:34:03,399 --> 01:34:05,359
Higgs you don't need to go That. Graniose you can

2353
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:07,680
just do the. Simple, HEY i get this package through

2354
01:34:08,319 --> 01:34:10,760
Time fall and all this. Stuff so that's where for,

2355
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:13,119
me the low THING i really like is to, me

2356
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:16,800
and that's where it WOULD i would hope that it's not, like,

2357
01:34:17,399 --> 01:34:20,199
Oh ragile's back And higgs. BACK i would like it just, be,

2358
01:34:20,279 --> 01:34:21,039
hey you Know lou.

2359
01:34:21,119 --> 01:34:25,039
Speaker 1: Story that was the setupally hard story to trunkate down

2360
01:34:25,079 --> 01:34:26,079
to two hours.

2361
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:28,920
Speaker 3: Or, less like, oh exactly, right but that's different for

2362
01:34:29,039 --> 01:34:30,560
the third. GAME i would love it that's just, like,

2363
01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:32,520
hey you Know lou, story but now she's gonna go

2364
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:34,680
on her own story like complete kind of like WHAT

2365
01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:36,760
i Mean tarry's about With Star, wars where it's, like

2366
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:38,760
that's why we want That ray movie because we'd love to, See,

2367
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:41,880
hey let's See ray do something that's just on our own,

2368
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:45,159
now new, villains new, characters see what she gets. Into

2369
01:34:45,199 --> 01:34:46,800
and that's What i'd like for this if like, okay

2370
01:34:47,319 --> 01:34:49,199
that that's WHERE i would like where you could, say,

2371
01:34:49,199 --> 01:34:50,720
hey you don't have to play desk dreading one and

2372
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:53,800
two because this is completely, new maybe you bump, in

2373
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:57,840
even though to, ME i guess not that much time has.

2374
01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:00,520
PASSED i almost read it as Like sam was dead

2375
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:03,039
the way the ending was. Going it just read to

2376
01:35:03,119 --> 01:35:05,479
me like sometime it passed and he just wasn't. Around

2377
01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:07,399
BUT i liked that they showed That rainy had her,

2378
01:35:07,439 --> 01:35:09,560
baby so that's. Nice she got a happy ending. There

2379
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:12,119
but THAT'S i very much want that game BECAUSE i

2380
01:35:12,119 --> 01:35:14,600
think it's the perfect setup of very much like what

2381
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:17,439
they're doing With, witcher where now like in the next

2382
01:35:17,479 --> 01:35:19,520
game series of main character where it's, like, hey you

2383
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:22,760
know this character, story you can kind, of you, know

2384
01:35:22,920 --> 01:35:24,720
refer back to some of. That but my hope Is

2385
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:28,000
seri's gonna go have her own new. Adventure and that's

2386
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:29,840
WHAT i want for Lou. So and that's where Maybe

2387
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:33,239
kajima is more fine with stepping aside of, saying, hey

2388
01:35:33,319 --> 01:35:36,039
his his death streading Was sam's, story, right where this

2389
01:35:36,199 --> 01:35:38,399
is like, okay not that he doesn't care about lou but,

2390
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:41,359
okay you want to go do your own, thing that's completely.

2391
01:35:41,399 --> 01:35:43,439
Fine kind of like it's similar like a like A

2392
01:35:44,399 --> 01:35:47,520
I'll Ridley scott To James Cameron aliens right where you,

2393
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:50,119
know they tackle similar, things but they're on their own.

2394
01:35:50,159 --> 01:35:53,760
Trajectory SO i really hope and this game sold really.

2395
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:56,840
Well it's reviewing very, well SO i hope that or

2396
01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:58,239
like at least so, like you, know as far as

2397
01:35:58,319 --> 01:36:01,600
like compared to the first when, Everything SO i really

2398
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:04,039
hope we get the third. One And i'm completely fine

2399
01:36:04,039 --> 01:36:07,119
if it's Not, kajima even THOUGH i would say it's

2400
01:36:07,159 --> 01:36:09,399
like The Tarantino tennant film. Thing if you were to

2401
01:36:09,479 --> 01:36:11,239
tell me That kajima does make the third, GAME i

2402
01:36:11,279 --> 01:36:13,600
would not say it's, impossible because at the same, TIME

2403
01:36:14,439 --> 01:36:15,560
i could see people.

2404
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:17,960
Speaker 1: Like he'll be involved in it to such an extent

2405
01:36:18,039 --> 01:36:21,000
anyway that, like over time he'll just become so so.

2406
01:36:21,159 --> 01:36:23,079
Speaker 2: Involved with, it it's like he might as well be the.

2407
01:36:23,119 --> 01:36:23,760
Director you.

2408
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:27,520
Speaker 1: Know that's the Tough it's hard to differentiate the The

2409
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:30,279
kajima isms from this from this, Game LIKE i feel

2410
01:36:30,279 --> 01:36:32,079
like that's part of what makes it what it. Is

2411
01:36:32,239 --> 01:36:33,880
BUT i don't, Know maybe just the script would get you,

2412
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:36,439
there and maybe it'd be interesting to see how someone

2413
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:38,960
just taking the broad strokes but then like filling in

2414
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:41,279
the details, differently how that would how that would look so.

2415
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:43,560
Speaker 3: Yeah BECAUSE i do wonder if a situation where like

2416
01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:47,439
other people, working like like Maybe i'd like to come

2417
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:49,000
back over there and see if you guys are. Working

2418
01:36:49,119 --> 01:36:51,000
but maybe it's just a story. Back because he's even

2419
01:36:51,039 --> 01:36:52,880
said that with the, movie WHICH i. Respect that's why

2420
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:55,760
he might have this this mindset right of one to

2421
01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:59,600
two is his Like sam even stuff as lace to do,

2422
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:01,319
right LIKE i would hope she's on a Third maybe to,

2423
01:37:01,399 --> 01:37:03,800
him he feels personally connected To fragile and now that

2424
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:05,800
a lot of those characters aren't there that he's connected,

2425
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:07,840
To he's, like do your own. Thing he said with

2426
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:11,319
the movie when they were interviewing like press and they, asked,

2427
01:37:11,319 --> 01:37:12,720
oh are you gonna be much a part of the. Movies,

2428
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:15,399
WELL i MEAN i give some notes And i'll see some.

2429
01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:16,760
Things but he's, LIKE i kind of just want them

2430
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:18,119
to do their own thing and not feel Like i'm

2431
01:37:18,159 --> 01:37:20,600
looming over. THEM i, say, oh that's that's. Cool as

2432
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:23,399
long as he goes through, that that's cool because that's

2433
01:37:23,439 --> 01:37:25,239
A and that's what makes me think the movie's not

2434
01:37:25,359 --> 01:37:27,359
gonna be About sam and. STUFF i think it's more

2435
01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:29,920
we're obviously there's some drama but like look At Neil

2436
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:34,000
druckman And CASSIE i can't remember her last, name but

2437
01:37:34,359 --> 01:37:37,439
for seasons one and two they were very much together

2438
01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:39,920
With last Of Us crew right where TODAY i was, like,

2439
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:42,039
huh just go do, whatever Like i'd like to know

2440
01:37:42,079 --> 01:37:43,960
what's going, on but you, know go make your. Movie

2441
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:46,640
so that's where if the games like, That i'm, sure

2442
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:48,960
and that's a good thing with It's Kajima, studios but

2443
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:51,439
that's the, hope right as your studio is successful and

2444
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:54,279
grows and that other people can go. On so in

2445
01:37:54,359 --> 01:37:56,760
a year or, two if they, announced, hey, Uh kajima

2446
01:37:56,840 --> 01:38:00,279
is just a, producer you, know you, know Develop a

2447
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:03,000
is making this, game let's see what. Happens, great that

2448
01:38:03,079 --> 01:38:06,920
doesn't mean it's it's like with acause like the there's

2449
01:38:07,119 --> 01:38:09,199
countless times of if you look at like we talk

2450
01:38:09,239 --> 01:38:10,840
about all the time in Like New Vegas, fault, right

2451
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:13,039
there's countless seven people going off to do something with

2452
01:38:13,119 --> 01:38:15,600
AN ip that could end up even being loved more

2453
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:18,840
than the original. One. Right so for me, ESPECIALLY i

2454
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:21,119
think it's set up in a perfect way where you

2455
01:38:21,159 --> 01:38:24,239
would play As Lou you're in like a new, path

2456
01:38:24,479 --> 01:38:26,479
and then a new person can take, over AND i

2457
01:38:27,359 --> 01:38:29,680
very much am hoping for this announcement where it's. Funny

2458
01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:31,840
with Des rat, TOO i was, like let's not do,

2459
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:34,479
it let's not do. It but THREE i. Am I'm

2460
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:37,159
i'm ready to be uh lou as a POOR i

2461
01:38:37,199 --> 01:38:39,840
think that could be tons of. Fun get al fanning,

2462
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:42,359
back get some more Wood kid going. On you, know

2463
01:38:42,479 --> 01:38:44,680
she's sang a song, here which is. Funny not sure

2464
01:38:44,720 --> 01:38:47,960
if you've seen there's a. Circle there's a photo circling

2465
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:50,720
around right now of Wood kid and her from twenty

2466
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:53,079
sixteen and they're on a. Beach so everyone's, like, oh,

2467
01:38:53,119 --> 01:38:56,199
Man cage has been he's been plotting the whole. Time but,

2468
01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:58,319
YEAH i am very much in favor of a third

2469
01:38:58,319 --> 01:38:58,760
AND i hope it.

2470
01:38:58,840 --> 01:39:06,039
Speaker 2: Happens, yeah full. Power Uh, okay some random random notes

2471
01:39:06,079 --> 01:39:07,039
THAT i have here at.

2472
01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:08,199
Speaker 1: This point BECAUSE i think we've talked through all the

2473
01:39:08,239 --> 01:39:11,079
story stuff THAT i wanted to get, to mainly in

2474
01:39:11,199 --> 01:39:14,119
terms of, like obviously there's all sorts of the preppers

2475
01:39:14,159 --> 01:39:15,560
all over the, world and some of them have their

2476
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:17,840
interesting little stories going. On one THAT i couple THAT

2477
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:20,199
i really enjoyed THAT i didn't actually encounter during the main,

2478
01:39:20,279 --> 01:39:22,720
game but only WHEN i was going through knocking out

2479
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:25,199
some of this kind of hundred percent completion. Stuff is

2480
01:39:25,199 --> 01:39:29,239
there's one guy named The. Boca he's In. Mexico SO

2481
01:39:29,319 --> 01:39:31,239
i don't think you're ever like sent to. Him the

2482
01:39:31,319 --> 01:39:33,279
only way you'd go to cause there's a few preppers

2483
01:39:33,319 --> 01:39:34,920
that you're never actually sent. TO i think the only

2484
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:37,479
way you're you would connect them To Kyle network is

2485
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:39,760
if you find some of their lost cargo and then

2486
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:42,079
find where they live and they just give them the

2487
01:39:42,159 --> 01:39:44,199
lost cargo and then they'll be, like oh, cool thanks

2488
01:39:44,239 --> 01:39:46,520
for that connecting me to The. Cupid and So boca

2489
01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:49,119
is one who is he was he was a porter

2490
01:39:49,239 --> 01:39:51,640
once upon a. Time and when you first meet, him he's, like,

2491
01:39:52,239 --> 01:39:54,920
ah have you heard of the the man who? Delivers

2492
01:39:55,039 --> 01:39:56,840
the legend of The man Who, delivers which is Like

2493
01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:59,640
sam obviously and who he's talking about this and as

2494
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:02,239
your love them, up he's kind of hinting at this.

2495
01:40:02,239 --> 01:40:03,920
Stuff and then when you get to the level, five he's, like,

2496
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:07,199
Oh i've known. You i've known you're the guy the whole.

2497
01:40:07,239 --> 01:40:09,039
TIME i just you, know didn't want to like overwhelm

2498
01:40:09,079 --> 01:40:10,560
me with. THIS i don't want to be like fanboying

2499
01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:12,439
out and all this, stuff but he's kind of giving

2500
01:40:12,479 --> 01:40:15,479
you like porter, tips you, know tips he's learned over

2501
01:40:15,479 --> 01:40:16,039
the years being a.

2502
01:40:16,119 --> 01:40:17,359
Speaker 2: Porter SO i really like.

2503
01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:19,920
Speaker 1: That the other ONE i liked In mexico is the

2504
01:40:20,159 --> 01:40:21,920
artist who you have to unlock in a similar way

2505
01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:23,399
to find some o her lost, cargo take.

2506
01:40:23,319 --> 01:40:23,960
Speaker 2: It up the hill to.

2507
01:40:24,119 --> 01:40:24,840
Speaker 3: Her yeah and.

2508
01:40:26,119 --> 01:40:28,880
Speaker 1: Yeah the rewards she gives you are just like color

2509
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:31,239
palettes that you can use to like change your trucks

2510
01:40:31,319 --> 01:40:34,359
and your like cars and your hats and like things

2511
01:40:34,399 --> 01:40:36,159
in This so, LIKE i like that as a. Reward

2512
01:40:36,359 --> 01:40:38,640
IS i like doing that little, customization and it's. Fun

2513
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:41,520
as you're going through her different, missions she'll like send

2514
01:40:41,560 --> 01:40:43,840
you paintings that she's been, doing and then every time

2515
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:46,239
you go back to her little prepper, den she'll like

2516
01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:48,720
hang the paintings up like in that little, thing and

2517
01:40:48,760 --> 01:40:50,359
then you can like put them in the magellum like

2518
01:40:50,439 --> 01:40:53,039
on the. Wall you can, like, uh you, know customize the.

2519
01:40:53,079 --> 01:40:55,319
Wall you can even like take pictures and then like

2520
01:40:55,399 --> 01:40:57,439
put those in there as well if you want custom.

2521
01:40:57,479 --> 01:40:59,920
Ones but it's cool that she kind of is setting

2522
01:41:00,119 --> 01:41:01,840
these pictures over the, Time SO i really like. THAT

2523
01:41:02,600 --> 01:41:05,319
i thought it was cool how there's you because like

2524
01:41:05,399 --> 01:41:07,880
you go To hartman's lab and then the THE i

2525
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:10,399
forget the girl's, name but she like takes over for the.

2526
01:41:10,479 --> 01:41:13,520
Lab she's the one that always like, puking and but

2527
01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:17,279
then like she has like a, daughter the Mega commonomist

2528
01:41:17,359 --> 01:41:19,439
or whatever the heck that other person is who's Like.

2529
01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:21,800
South SO i like the little little points of. Connection

2530
01:41:21,880 --> 01:41:25,680
and apparently that actress is the wife Of, hartman like

2531
01:41:25,800 --> 01:41:28,159
that actor in real, Life like they're. Married so that

2532
01:41:28,319 --> 01:41:29,239
was kind of a fun.

2533
01:41:30,079 --> 01:41:33,199
Speaker 3: Because they kind of insinuate that they're an item in the,

2534
01:41:33,279 --> 01:41:34,000
game so they.

2535
01:41:34,079 --> 01:41:36,880
Speaker 2: Do, yeah, okay SO i LIKE i like. THAT i

2536
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:37,760
like the little moments of.

2537
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:40,720
Speaker 1: Connection So i'm excited to see more of these kind

2538
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:42,720
of people that you don't have to save for the,

2539
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:44,880
story or not save if you don't have to connect

2540
01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:45,039
for the.

2541
01:41:45,119 --> 01:41:47,560
Speaker 2: Story but they have their little narratives along the. Way

2542
01:41:49,199 --> 01:41:50,800
did you ever get a void? Out did you ever

2543
01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:52,399
get hit with a void out in this? Game do

2544
01:41:52,439 --> 01:41:55,119
you ever never? Happen, okay this.

2545
01:41:55,359 --> 01:41:59,319
Speaker 1: It happened for me once WHEN i was pretty much like.

2546
01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:02,880
Going it was from the, megagnomenous, RIGHT i always forget

2547
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:03,359
that lazy.

2548
01:42:03,439 --> 01:42:04,039
Speaker 2: Name you're Going?

2549
01:42:04,119 --> 01:42:06,199
Speaker 1: SOUTH i kind of past the Tar lake to connect

2550
01:42:06,279 --> 01:42:09,039
that guy Like victor down, there That, prepper and there's, like,

2551
01:42:09,199 --> 01:42:11,479
yeah a bunch Of beaties in that whole, section like

2552
01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:14,079
just kind of the west or what be east of

2553
01:42:14,159 --> 01:42:17,439
the Tar. Lake and, yeah like this giant creature or

2554
01:42:17,560 --> 01:42:19,920
face or whatever it was swallowed me, up created a

2555
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:21,920
huge void out. There so now there's just a, permanent

2556
01:42:22,039 --> 01:42:25,000
huge like crater on the map right WHERE i was.

2557
01:42:25,079 --> 01:42:27,560
There so, yeah that was like it swallowed me. UP

2558
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:29,640
i caused the void out from my, body but then

2559
01:42:29,640 --> 01:42:32,479
Obviously i'm A, patriots SO i came. Back so, YEAH

2560
01:42:32,479 --> 01:42:34,199
i have not had a void out caused by LIKE

2561
01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:36,800
i accidentally did run over a porter once with my,

2562
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:38,680
car but he just got knocked. Out he's, okay he

2563
01:42:38,760 --> 01:42:42,319
got up. Later and THEN i haven't like killed mule

2564
01:42:42,439 --> 01:42:44,319
or anything. Yet i've just knocked them, out, Right so,

2565
01:42:44,920 --> 01:42:48,960
YEAH i had no other void outs caused. There and,

2566
01:42:49,319 --> 01:42:51,520
yeah so the last EPISODE i was saying there's not

2567
01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:53,479
a lot of the super difficult sequences in the. Game

2568
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:56,399
obviously a lot of those are in the, end particularly

2569
01:42:56,439 --> 01:42:58,640
just The Snowy mountain, Sequence like not the first time

2570
01:42:58,680 --> 01:43:00,279
you go to The Snowy mountains but like this second,

2571
01:43:00,319 --> 01:43:02,319
time after you're on like The south and you have

2572
01:43:02,399 --> 01:43:04,199
to go to the adventurer and then you have to

2573
01:43:04,239 --> 01:43:06,359
like go save the. Adventurer he got like lost up

2574
01:43:06,359 --> 01:43:07,920
in the. Mountains you got to go like pick his body,

2575
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:10,279
up because like it took me so long to get

2576
01:43:10,359 --> 01:43:13,520
to his, base AND i used every last thing on my.

2577
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:16,319
BACK i used every single, item and he doesn't connect

2578
01:43:16,319 --> 01:43:18,239
you to the. Network, yeah and so you have nothing

2579
01:43:18,279 --> 01:43:19,680
to get up, there SO i had TO i had

2580
01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:21,239
to reload a, SAVE i had to set up like

2581
01:43:21,279 --> 01:43:23,920
various zip lines and like redo that whole. Sequence and

2582
01:43:24,039 --> 01:43:25,960
SO i liked. THAT i liked that the game was

2583
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:27,720
finally kicking my ass a little bit because at that

2584
01:43:27,760 --> 01:43:30,079
point it was so. Easy so, yeah obviously the snowy

2585
01:43:30,119 --> 01:43:31,800
sequences make it pretty. Hard NOW i have some good

2586
01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:33,760
equipment for, that And i'll have a lot more you,

2587
01:43:33,800 --> 01:43:36,720
know things connected to the. Network but that sequence in,

2588
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:38,640
general and anything in the mountains is always. Fun in

2589
01:43:38,640 --> 01:43:40,079
the first, game it was, too just because it's like

2590
01:43:40,159 --> 01:43:43,000
such a high level the. Difficulty obviously there's like avalanches now,

2591
01:43:43,039 --> 01:43:46,600
too as you, mentioned which are very. Terrifying so, yeah

2592
01:43:46,640 --> 01:43:48,560
that was definitely the hardest sequence for me for.

2593
01:43:48,640 --> 01:43:51,239
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah that's WHEN i refer to an episode Like

2594
01:43:51,239 --> 01:43:52,760
i'll wait to get The. Snowymounts same thing WHEN i

2595
01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:55,399
had to get. Him lack of, chargers lack of, this

2596
01:43:55,680 --> 01:43:58,159
it's just lack of everything up, there so the same.

2597
01:43:58,239 --> 01:44:00,479
THING i. THINK i had to redo a saved and

2598
01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:02,279
then go. Back, HEY i gotta take this because so

2599
01:44:02,359 --> 01:44:04,680
many times it has been this, game WHICH i agree with,

2600
01:44:04,720 --> 01:44:06,119
You like it's an ave where it's, like, oh it's my.

2601
01:44:06,199 --> 01:44:08,159
VEHICLE i could just drive forward and power through. This you,

2602
01:44:08,199 --> 01:44:10,840
Know i'll get to the charge. BASE i had that approach, Like,

2603
01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:12,880
no this felt much more like first de stranding and, say,

2604
01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:15,279
OKAY i really got to map out Where i'm gonna do.

2605
01:44:15,359 --> 01:44:18,840
Here so, yeah that's that Adventure my. Goodness, yeah two.

2606
01:44:19,039 --> 01:44:22,760
Speaker 1: Sequences i'm curious how you handled. These one is the

2607
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:25,199
first weapons, lab like the one that's near The motherhood

2608
01:44:25,239 --> 01:44:27,239
in like The Sandy. Desert you have to go, there

2609
01:44:27,239 --> 01:44:28,840
and that's obviously the first time you get the cut

2610
01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:31,399
scene when not well it's Dead man but you don't

2611
01:44:31,399 --> 01:44:33,039
know his Dead man, yet but he like The samurai

2612
01:44:33,119 --> 01:44:34,640
saves at the end when you got to crash those

2613
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:37,520
like computer, monitors and then another one is like that

2614
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:39,239
bridge sequence at the very end of the, game but

2615
01:44:39,279 --> 01:44:41,640
not necessarily the actual bridge, part but like the two

2616
01:44:41,720 --> 01:44:43,239
or three battles leading up to, that and then when

2617
01:44:43,239 --> 01:44:44,960
you get, down like right before you cross over the.

2618
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:47,800
Bridge i'm, curious like what kind of strategies you employed

2619
01:44:47,880 --> 01:44:49,760
to kind of get through those two combat.

2620
01:44:49,800 --> 01:44:55,159
Speaker 3: Sequences grenade, launchers that's WHERE i. WAS i stocked up

2621
01:44:55,199 --> 01:45:00,119
on grenade, launchers picked up some, shotguns and that's and

2622
01:45:00,319 --> 01:45:03,680
the machine gun, specifically which was nice because WHEN, i you,

2623
01:45:03,720 --> 01:45:05,600
know did The deluxe, VERSION i got that a little,

2624
01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:07,479
earlier so some of those, missions LIKE i, had like

2625
01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:10,880
the leveled up, one but, yeah that that's primarily what it,

2626
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:12,680
was was The Great An, launch especially because a lot

2627
01:45:12,720 --> 01:45:15,520
of those necks were, happening so that's where it's, Like,

2628
01:45:15,560 --> 01:45:18,520
okay they get taken down pretty, easily got a good.

2629
01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:20,880
Radius so, yeah any ANYTIME i was prepped with like

2630
01:45:20,920 --> 01:45:23,079
you're gonna have to go into, BATTLE i went into

2631
01:45:23,359 --> 01:45:26,439
with the with The great Add, launch WHICH i will

2632
01:45:26,479 --> 01:45:28,560
say on the way to the, BRIDGE i did like

2633
01:45:28,720 --> 01:45:31,840
that that mission of you have to you, know travel

2634
01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:34,000
a little, bit connect, something travel a little bit and

2635
01:45:34,039 --> 01:45:35,760
in the way there's mechs in the. Way that's when

2636
01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:39,239
they introduced the when you again another great like moment

2637
01:45:39,279 --> 01:45:42,439
of getting that big spider mecha and when you use

2638
01:45:42,600 --> 01:45:45,000
The magel attack for the first, time and it's just

2639
01:45:45,039 --> 01:45:48,359
a slow motion of just missiles everywhere and think they're like,

2640
01:45:48,439 --> 01:45:50,439
Okay i'm like this is this is awesome and you're

2641
01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:54,199
shooting the same. Time just very. Cinematic so, yeah, YEAH.

2642
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:55,960
Speaker 1: I pretty much started any battle with like as much

2643
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:58,119
of a high ground AS i possibly could and just spending,

2644
01:45:58,439 --> 01:46:00,319
grenade so like that bridge sequents on MY i finally

2645
01:46:00,399 --> 01:46:02,039
made it down there up ON i went up on

2646
01:46:02,079 --> 01:46:03,960
the hill as much AS i, could which is pretty

2647
01:46:04,039 --> 01:46:06,600
far from. It BUT i was just lobbing grenades even

2648
01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:08,520
more than like it would, show because't now when you're

2649
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:10,199
like aim in your grenade, launcher it shows, you like

2650
01:46:10,479 --> 01:46:11,520
where the grenade's gonna.

2651
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:13,600
Speaker 2: Hit it was like past that it was way out of.

2652
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:16,279
Speaker 1: Range But i'm just like free eyeing, it pretty much

2653
01:46:16,439 --> 01:46:19,560
like When Tony stark loses his like tracking device, Thing he's.

2654
01:46:19,479 --> 01:46:21,079
Speaker 3: Like, OKAY i GOTTA i gottavon.

2655
01:46:21,279 --> 01:46:22,319
Speaker 2: It, yeah eye on.

2656
01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:24,560
Speaker 1: It so that was pretty much being that sequence WHICH

2657
01:46:24,560 --> 01:46:26,279
i couldn't kill everyone because some of them were too far,

2658
01:46:26,319 --> 01:46:28,319
away but at least thinned the, herd and THEN i

2659
01:46:28,399 --> 01:46:30,119
could go down there and take them out the other.

2660
01:46:30,199 --> 01:46:30,960
Speaker 2: Way and then the weapons.

2661
01:46:31,079 --> 01:46:33,880
Speaker 1: LAB i was able to sneak past like the first

2662
01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:35,720
couple of guys on the, outside AND i came from

2663
01:46:35,760 --> 01:46:37,880
like the south of, it and THEN i PUT i,

2664
01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:39,439
GOT i put some ladders up to get to the,

2665
01:46:39,560 --> 01:46:41,279
roof AND i just went up on the roof and

2666
01:46:41,359 --> 01:46:42,920
then just like camped out up, there and some of

2667
01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:44,520
them would like you, know they morphed through the ground

2668
01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:44,840
and then.

2669
01:46:44,760 --> 01:46:45,439
Speaker 2: Like popped up up.

2670
01:46:45,479 --> 01:46:47,520
Speaker 1: There but thankfully that was slow enough THAT i was, Like,

2671
01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:48,840
okay it's only one or two at a. TIME i

2672
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:50,680
can shock on, them and Then i'm just hanging out

2673
01:46:50,720 --> 01:46:52,600
on the. ROOF i can find like really janky angles

2674
01:46:52,600 --> 01:46:54,159
where they can't hit, me BUT i can just pop

2675
01:46:54,239 --> 01:46:56,039
up and take them, out and then like through the.

2676
01:46:56,119 --> 01:46:57,880
Roof there's somebody holes on the roof too that you

2677
01:46:57,960 --> 01:47:00,840
can just like grenade launch am through the roof as.

2678
01:47:00,880 --> 01:47:02,680
Well so THAT i thought that was a really fun.

2679
01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:04,359
Fight DID i feel LIKE i cheesed it a, Bit

2680
01:47:04,600 --> 01:47:05,840
but even then it was still like a bit of

2681
01:47:05,880 --> 01:47:07,920
a challenge and took me a couple of. Tries so

2682
01:47:08,159 --> 01:47:09,880
there was a, yeah some points in the game that

2683
01:47:09,960 --> 01:47:13,039
had some good difficulty in. There, YEAH i felt like

2684
01:47:13,079 --> 01:47:15,239
pretty much all the mule camps were really. Easy LIKE

2685
01:47:15,359 --> 01:47:17,560
i ever really struggled much with the. Mules it's more

2686
01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:20,279
like more of The Ghost. Max did you encounter any

2687
01:47:20,279 --> 01:47:22,319
of the hot spring stuff going on in this?

2688
01:47:22,399 --> 01:47:25,479
Speaker 3: Game, No i've seen the clips And i've seen the, like,

2689
01:47:25,560 --> 01:47:27,600
oh you could go. THERE i never stopped to take

2690
01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:30,079
a moment, ago take a bath and everything like. That you,

2691
01:47:30,119 --> 01:47:31,800
KNOW i Guess I'll i'll do that and go to

2692
01:47:31,800 --> 01:47:34,000
The yotai IF i get that, One i'll see a

2693
01:47:34,079 --> 01:47:35,840
gin does that a. Lot but, YEAH i did not

2694
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:36,760
do any hot spring in this.

2695
01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:39,760
Speaker 1: Time so, yeah it's it's a weird thing where like

2696
01:47:39,800 --> 01:47:42,880
outside of The motherhood entrance there's, like, yeah just a hot.

2697
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:45,239
Spring you go into, it it's like a little cutscene

2698
01:47:45,319 --> 01:47:47,279
kind of, thing chilling. Out but then at some point

2699
01:47:47,319 --> 01:47:50,520
you like teleport and end up in a different point

2700
01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:52,640
in the, map and then and then you're like Near

2701
01:47:52,720 --> 01:47:55,640
hartman's lab and that lady's, like how did you get?

2702
01:47:55,720 --> 01:47:57,520
Here how did you get into my hot spring that's

2703
01:47:57,560 --> 01:47:59,800
inside my, house and then you like find out what's

2704
01:47:59,840 --> 01:48:01,720
going on here with the, science and then she's, Like,

2705
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:02,800
OKAY i think we figured this.

2706
01:48:02,840 --> 01:48:03,520
Speaker 2: Out there's a way that.

2707
01:48:03,640 --> 01:48:06,119
Speaker 1: Like the hot springs can jump you through the beach

2708
01:48:06,159 --> 01:48:07,720
and you can teleport across the, map and then you

2709
01:48:07,800 --> 01:48:10,079
can like start finding them across the, MAP i, guess

2710
01:48:11,279 --> 01:48:15,800
which is like, cool but also, MECHANICALLY i can't really

2711
01:48:15,800 --> 01:48:17,920
think of many situations in which that would like actually

2712
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:20,479
be very. Useful AND i think that's maybe my problem

2713
01:48:20,479 --> 01:48:21,800
with a lot of like the mechanics in this game

2714
01:48:21,920 --> 01:48:25,039
is like there's so many weird tools or, features but

2715
01:48:25,119 --> 01:48:27,640
it just feels, like, yeah but do you really ever

2716
01:48:27,760 --> 01:48:29,399
need to use, that or will that help or will

2717
01:48:29,439 --> 01:48:31,279
that be like more efficient than anything. Else BUT i

2718
01:48:31,319 --> 01:48:33,720
think it's a cool idea of, Like, okay the hot

2719
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:36,439
springs can teleport you certain spots in the. Map you

2720
01:48:36,600 --> 01:48:39,199
have like the transponders you can, build which are like

2721
01:48:39,640 --> 01:48:41,279
just an equipment you can from the, piecs so you

2722
01:48:41,319 --> 01:48:43,199
can put down and those can teleport you to anywhere

2723
01:48:43,279 --> 01:48:45,199
on the map that you've put a. Transponder so it's

2724
01:48:45,239 --> 01:48:48,600
like a zip line pretty, much but just like globally

2725
01:48:48,680 --> 01:48:51,079
and THEN i think it's limiting how much cargo you can,

2726
01:48:51,119 --> 01:48:53,840
take and it's, Like, okay there could be some interesting

2727
01:48:53,880 --> 01:48:55,920
wave like those with the monoail that you can really

2728
01:48:55,960 --> 01:48:58,960
plan out your routes in interesting, ways but, LIKE i

2729
01:48:59,119 --> 01:49:01,039
just don't think that it would actually really work that

2730
01:49:01,119 --> 01:49:02,720
well because you're limited on a cargo or like what

2731
01:49:02,720 --> 01:49:04,000
would the purpose would. Be SO i don't know if

2732
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:07,239
those things are better before you've connected everything to The chiral,

2733
01:49:07,359 --> 01:49:09,199
network and maybe like certain points in the story when

2734
01:49:09,239 --> 01:49:12,159
The magellan is locked, down BUT i think in the post,

2735
01:49:12,239 --> 01:49:14,399
game When i'm actually like trying to investigate some of these,

2736
01:49:14,479 --> 01:49:17,600
things they just seem like interesting little gimmicks but not

2737
01:49:17,720 --> 01:49:20,159
really that, Useful and so it feels like a bit

2738
01:49:20,199 --> 01:49:22,520
of a half baked system of like the fast traveling

2739
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:24,920
because as we mentioned, before like The magellan can just

2740
01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:28,000
teleport to like most places on the, map well not anywhere,

2741
01:49:28,039 --> 01:49:30,920
obviously limited to like a prepper's, house but it just feels, like,

2742
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:32,239
well that would kind of be the way to do,

2743
01:49:32,279 --> 01:49:33,479
it because then you can bring cars with, it you

2744
01:49:33,560 --> 01:49:35,800
can bring all your, cargo and you can build. Stuff

2745
01:49:35,880 --> 01:49:38,279
SO i don't, know feels a little half. Baked some

2746
01:49:38,359 --> 01:49:41,840
of the teleporting. MECHANICS i, guess, yeah.

2747
01:49:41,680 --> 01:49:43,359
Speaker 3: They could have even done, It like you can teleport

2748
01:49:43,439 --> 01:49:45,399
to only a few, places but maybe that wouldn't have

2749
01:49:45,680 --> 01:49:48,399
docked your, gear you, know like when you traveling The.

2750
01:49:48,479 --> 01:49:50,000
Magellan but, YEAH i don't know.

2751
01:49:50,039 --> 01:49:51,680
Speaker 1: Why AND i feel like if you tell report The

2752
01:49:51,720 --> 01:49:53,800
magellan across the, map but then you deliver the stuff

2753
01:49:53,920 --> 01:49:56,840
really far, away you should still get like more points

2754
01:49:56,880 --> 01:49:59,119
than you get because, Like, OKAY i did teleport at some,

2755
01:49:59,159 --> 01:50:01,800
point But i'm still maybe you've even teleported further away

2756
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:02,359
from your goal.

2757
01:50:02,319 --> 01:50:04,720
Speaker 2: And traveled it even further so you near your. Stuff you, Know,

2758
01:50:05,159 --> 01:50:06,000
yeah that's not how it.

2759
01:50:06,079 --> 01:50:08,479
Speaker 1: WORKS i talked about this in the first episode we,

2760
01:50:08,520 --> 01:50:10,840
did But i'm a little disappointed with the weather stuff

2761
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:13,800
BECAUSE i feel like it didn't Really it seemed like

2762
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:15,520
a really great idea and a great evolution of the,

2763
01:50:15,560 --> 01:50:18,439
mechanics but then was once again a little half. Baked

2764
01:50:18,439 --> 01:50:19,960
AND i think the biggest downfall for me is there's

2765
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:22,399
one point kind of just south.

2766
01:50:22,239 --> 01:50:22,760
Speaker 2: Of the desert.

2767
01:50:22,760 --> 01:50:24,960
Speaker 1: Area there's a lot of like big rock, formations like

2768
01:50:25,039 --> 01:50:27,279
big rock, towers and one TIME i was driving through

2769
01:50:27,359 --> 01:50:29,560
them and there was like a gate quake and all

2770
01:50:29,640 --> 01:50:31,119
these rocks fell all around.

2771
01:50:31,159 --> 01:50:31,840
Speaker 2: ME a couple hit my.

2772
01:50:31,960 --> 01:50:34,359
Speaker 1: Car they were like blocking the path in every which,

2773
01:50:34,399 --> 01:50:36,479
way AND i was, like, damn that was really cool and,

2774
01:50:36,600 --> 01:50:38,399
interesting and Now i'm gonna figure out How i'm gonna

2775
01:50:38,399 --> 01:50:39,840
get out of here with my truck because it's like

2776
01:50:40,079 --> 01:50:42,640
a little. Labyrinth and then after like ten, seconds all

2777
01:50:42,640 --> 01:50:44,359
the rocks just kind of like faded, away like they

2778
01:50:44,479 --> 01:50:47,239
just like disappear from the. Map i'm, like, okay so

2779
01:50:47,399 --> 01:50:49,119
we did this, thing but then like it just like

2780
01:50:49,239 --> 01:50:50,800
kind of the consequences kind of faded. Away AND i

2781
01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:52,279
kind of feel like that's the case with all the weather,

2782
01:50:52,319 --> 01:50:55,079
stuff where it just never really impacted the, gameplay or

2783
01:50:55,159 --> 01:50:58,359
it hasn't yet within fifty. Hours so people disappointed with

2784
01:50:58,760 --> 01:51:01,159
some of the weather, caanics which they were a bit

2785
01:51:01,439 --> 01:51:01,880
a bit more.

2786
01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:02,760
Speaker 2: INTENSE i GUESS i.

2787
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:04,880
Speaker 3: Agree they could have kind of put that slider a

2788
01:51:04,920 --> 01:51:05,319
bit up.

2789
01:51:05,840 --> 01:51:08,680
Speaker 1: Mhmm something with tomorrow THAT i don't know if this was,

2790
01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:11,560
intentional because it feels like a goofy Thing kajima would

2791
01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:14,439
do is obviously a Big the big thing they're showing off,

2792
01:51:14,479 --> 01:51:18,960
of like how her time follow her tar leakiness, works

2793
01:51:19,079 --> 01:51:20,800
is like they have these, apples and they're using that

2794
01:51:20,960 --> 01:51:23,880
to be, Like, okay here's you're seeing the progress of

2795
01:51:23,960 --> 01:51:26,439
the first time she touches the apple to immediately time

2796
01:51:26,479 --> 01:51:28,439
falls and, dies but then like over time she can

2797
01:51:28,479 --> 01:51:31,159
control that OR i couldn't tell if she could reverse

2798
01:51:31,239 --> 01:51:33,279
it or if that was More rainy was the one

2799
01:51:33,319 --> 01:51:35,359
that would like reverse it and then she could like practice.

2800
01:51:35,399 --> 01:51:37,560
Again So i'm not sure exactly what's going on, there

2801
01:51:37,600 --> 01:51:39,720
BUT i feel like there's a bit of, this like

2802
01:51:40,079 --> 01:51:41,800
the apple doesn't fall far from the, tree like a

2803
01:51:41,880 --> 01:51:43,600
bit of a hint there of like oh, yeah this

2804
01:51:43,760 --> 01:51:46,479
is Like sam's, obviously and then you get down to

2805
01:51:46,520 --> 01:51:48,119
the very end of the, game her being a porter

2806
01:51:48,359 --> 01:51:50,439
having the same job as. Him SO i don't, know

2807
01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:53,279
just like get. Interesting there's so much symbolism tied to,

2808
01:51:53,279 --> 01:51:55,520
apples obviously like, biblically but like SO i don't know

2809
01:51:55,600 --> 01:51:57,079
what if that if that was what it, is or

2810
01:51:57,119 --> 01:51:59,600
if it is WHAT i just, mentioned BUT i liked it.

2811
01:51:59,680 --> 01:52:02,640
Speaker 2: EITHER i thought that was. Cool something you hinted that

2812
01:52:02,760 --> 01:52:05,640
in the first episode was The Pizza, Chef so please

2813
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:07,680
regale us with your tale of The Pizza.

2814
01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:11,520
Speaker 3: Chef OH i love that mission where, okay they do all.

2815
01:52:11,640 --> 01:52:13,720
Everything it feels like this is the most thought. Out

2816
01:52:13,800 --> 01:52:17,520
it's like porter thing you can do Where, okay you go.

2817
01:52:17,800 --> 01:52:19,840
There lots of the people won't connect to the, network

2818
01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:22,039
but if you give them, pizza they probably. Will So i'm, like,

2819
01:52:22,079 --> 01:52:25,119
okay that's a. Fun weird subplaws do that you go,

2820
01:52:25,279 --> 01:52:26,840
there and then when you randomly go, there it's not

2821
01:52:26,920 --> 01:52:28,399
LIKE i said up, like oh go, back there's something

2822
01:52:28,399 --> 01:52:30,279
wrong with the. Pizza it's just like you go there

2823
01:52:30,399 --> 01:52:32,960
for regular delivery and the pizza guy is not, there

2824
01:52:33,399 --> 01:52:35,199
and then all of a, sudden it's like the door

2825
01:52:35,680 --> 01:52:38,560
that's passed where the halground would, be you can go in,

2826
01:52:38,720 --> 01:52:40,560
it and that stuff where it's, like especially the first,

2827
01:52:40,640 --> 01:52:43,079
game that those would always be main cut scenes like,

2828
01:52:43,119 --> 01:52:45,000
oh come on. It it wasn't never just like just

2829
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:48,039
just walk right. In and that's where it's, like, okay what's.

2830
01:52:48,119 --> 01:52:50,600
Happening you go in, there you find some of those you,

2831
01:52:50,680 --> 01:52:53,000
know red, necks you gotta fight, them and then you

2832
01:52:53,079 --> 01:52:55,159
go into WHICH i almost. DIDN'T i went past like

2833
01:52:55,239 --> 01:52:57,000
oh that's, weird AND i walked. OUT i almost did

2834
01:52:57,079 --> 01:52:59,279
not go on that, door but then like something more

2835
01:52:59,319 --> 01:53:02,199
has to be, happening looked around going the door and

2836
01:53:02,279 --> 01:53:06,119
you get like a full on kung Fu John, wick

2837
01:53:06,359 --> 01:53:09,319
like just full on choreographed fight scene where it's LIKE

2838
01:53:09,560 --> 01:53:11,279
i don't know If sam has a black belt in

2839
01:53:11,319 --> 01:53:13,840
like jiu jitsu or like karate kung, fu but he

2840
01:53:13,960 --> 01:53:16,600
does here and it's just a scene where they're. Flipping

2841
01:53:16,760 --> 01:53:21,159
it's like a, god, uh there's some oh what the

2842
01:53:21,319 --> 01:53:23,479
raid like that type of fighting style or even daredevil

2843
01:53:23,479 --> 01:53:27,399
where it's just fist hand and hand, combat, flips throwing pizza.

2844
01:53:27,479 --> 01:53:29,800
Dough they cook a pizza together and that's it brings them,

2845
01:53:29,800 --> 01:53:32,039
together and then it's, like, oh, actually, yeah.

2846
01:53:32,319 --> 01:53:33,640
Speaker 2: Scene just like taking a bite of the.

2847
01:53:33,680 --> 01:53:37,159
Speaker 3: Pizza, yeah all those first pizzas that was just imposing as.

2848
01:53:37,239 --> 01:53:38,840
Me that wasn't actually. ME i would do, this, this,

2849
01:53:39,079 --> 01:53:41,079
This and then it just becomes like a Regular, okay

2850
01:53:41,119 --> 01:53:42,680
you can give him stuff and he gives you the pizza,

2851
01:53:42,720 --> 01:53:45,000
weapon Which i've still not got around to. USING i

2852
01:53:45,079 --> 01:53:46,560
think it's just you probably throw the dome and we

2853
01:53:46,600 --> 01:53:49,840
get like a little. Disoriented but that's the stuff Where

2854
01:53:49,880 --> 01:53:52,279
i'm HOPING i get more of. THOSE i don't know

2855
01:53:52,399 --> 01:53:55,039
how much more of those will, happen but that was

2856
01:53:55,159 --> 01:53:57,279
just such a great moment where it doesn't have to

2857
01:53:57,359 --> 01:54:00,560
be a half an hour hour long, thing like that's

2858
01:54:00,600 --> 01:54:04,800
a ten fifteen minute at most little subplot That i'm

2859
01:54:04,800 --> 01:54:06,520
gonna remember for the rest of my life when it

2860
01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:08,079
comes to death straying, too because it came out of.

2861
01:54:08,199 --> 01:54:10,359
Nowhere because even, then if it would have been, HEY

2862
01:54:10,479 --> 01:54:12,359
i think someone's wrong with the pizza, CHEF i would

2863
01:54:12,399 --> 01:54:14,239
have been going there, like, hey there could be, baggs

2864
01:54:14,279 --> 01:54:17,159
there could get. Guns the second you go in there

2865
01:54:17,199 --> 01:54:18,760
and these mechs pop, up it's, LIKE i don't know

2866
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:20,479
WHAT i. Got Un LUCKILY i had insult rifle. Me

2867
01:54:20,560 --> 01:54:22,279
but it's just it's not like other times where it's,

2868
01:54:22,319 --> 01:54:25,600
like all, Right, sam time to suit. Up so. Beautiful

2869
01:54:25,680 --> 01:54:27,880
if we ever talked, about you, know best side missions

2870
01:54:27,960 --> 01:54:30,680
or little side, quests it's not really a side, quest

2871
01:54:30,720 --> 01:54:32,960
BUT i would count it because that, was, uh that

2872
01:54:33,119 --> 01:54:35,119
was enthralling BECAUSE i just came out a TIME i

2873
01:54:35,159 --> 01:54:37,680
GUESS i was not expecting anything like, that so loved

2874
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:38,840
the pizza chef to.

2875
01:54:39,079 --> 01:54:42,640
Speaker 2: Area so, YEAH i totally, agree AND i love that.

2876
01:54:42,720 --> 01:54:44,600
Speaker 1: Sequence and, then AS i mentioned with like the artists

2877
01:54:44,680 --> 01:54:47,680
or The, boca, LIKE i just think so many, games

2878
01:54:47,960 --> 01:54:50,439
especially when you have like over forty preppers like this game,

2879
01:54:50,560 --> 01:54:53,279
has would just make a lot like make them just

2880
01:54:53,359 --> 01:54:56,079
a GENERIC npc character that has like the same dialogue

2881
01:54:56,119 --> 01:54:58,199
or the same look, even BUT i feel LIKE i

2882
01:54:58,319 --> 01:55:00,359
like that they all have a weird little, game whether

2883
01:55:00,399 --> 01:55:02,800
it is something simple Like pioneer or The, inventor or

2884
01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:05,159
you get like The Tar, therapist like over in the

2885
01:55:05,279 --> 01:55:07,800
far east side of the, map so you get the Ghost.

2886
01:55:07,880 --> 01:55:09,720
Hunter you get some like weird ones in there, too,

2887
01:55:10,520 --> 01:55:13,439
obviously like the the the v tuber one that we

2888
01:55:13,479 --> 01:55:15,079
talked about last. Time so obviously there's a lot of

2889
01:55:15,079 --> 01:55:17,479
weird ones in, There but so far of like really

2890
01:55:17,640 --> 01:55:19,840
enjoyed the little mini narratives we're getting from a lot of,

2891
01:55:19,840 --> 01:55:21,720
those and that's a good incentive for me to want

2892
01:55:21,720 --> 01:55:23,600
to go back and get five stars with all of,

2893
01:55:23,600 --> 01:55:25,359
them to see what other kind of dialogue or weird

2894
01:55:25,399 --> 01:55:27,439
things that will, reveal or just like cool equipment you'll

2895
01:55:27,439 --> 01:55:28,960
get along the way as. Well and it feels, like

2896
01:55:29,399 --> 01:55:31,000
as you mentioned at the, topic there seems to be

2897
01:55:31,039 --> 01:55:33,319
a lot of, That SO i think that's it's cool

2898
01:55:33,359 --> 01:55:34,600
that they kind of goes above and they.

2899
01:55:34,600 --> 01:55:36,880
Speaker 2: Beyond, obviously Like, kajima.

2900
01:55:36,560 --> 01:55:39,640
Speaker 1: His mind is overflowing with character, ideas and it's, LIKE

2901
01:55:39,680 --> 01:55:41,199
i feel like that this is the perfect way for, like,

2902
01:55:41,600 --> 01:55:43,479
OH i have a weird idea for a little quirk

2903
01:55:43,520 --> 01:55:45,319
for a, character and it's like it's not a full game,

2904
01:55:45,359 --> 01:55:47,479
storyline but let me just make them a prepper and depth.

2905
01:55:47,520 --> 01:55:49,079
STRIGHT i feel like he's been building this up for

2906
01:55:49,199 --> 01:55:51,800
decades probably and now has like a good point to

2907
01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:52,239
put them in.

2908
01:55:52,279 --> 01:55:53,640
Speaker 2: There so it's a perfect you.

2909
01:55:53,680 --> 01:55:57,279
Speaker 3: Know. Yeah and, again if they even said we're Making

2910
01:55:57,359 --> 01:55:59,800
Desk drank, three it's like a smaller like you know

2911
01:56:00,119 --> 01:56:02,560
they do Like Miles morales is that if they, said,

2912
01:56:02,600 --> 01:56:05,399
hey we're doing, that not really a, subplot just more

2913
01:56:05,479 --> 01:56:08,560
deliveries or not a main, plot just more deliveries and

2914
01:56:08,560 --> 01:56:10,119
you're gonna have a bunch of little interactions like, THIS

2915
01:56:10,319 --> 01:56:13,000
i would completely. PAY i would honestly play full, price

2916
01:56:13,079 --> 01:56:14,520
but whatever it, is, LIKE i would pay like the Half.

2917
01:56:14,560 --> 01:56:16,600
Bret it's like if they just, said, Oh destinating, three

2918
01:56:16,840 --> 01:56:19,159
be a small, thing lose a, porter you meet some

2919
01:56:19,279 --> 01:56:22,079
crazy characters we've thought over the, years perfect sign me,

2920
01:56:22,159 --> 01:56:24,600
up because that's that's fun, stuff like what's gonna? Happen

2921
01:56:24,640 --> 01:56:26,920
and then everyone kind of have their favorite porter and

2922
01:56:27,039 --> 01:56:29,880
this and that their favorite. Interactions so, yeah, yeah.

2923
01:56:30,399 --> 01:56:32,680
Speaker 2: Any other notes on your document, there my.

2924
01:56:32,760 --> 01:56:34,560
Speaker 3: Friend, NO i think we hit them all OR i

2925
01:56:34,640 --> 01:56:36,640
brought them up in some fashion along the. WAY i

2926
01:56:36,680 --> 01:56:38,279
took a look at, it but nothing nothing.

2927
01:56:38,319 --> 01:56:41,640
Speaker 1: Else, yeah you, Know i've talked a lot about How

2928
01:56:42,199 --> 01:56:44,000
i'm pretty disappointed with the story in this game AND

2929
01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:46,000
i WISH i had like a bit more tension on

2930
01:56:46,039 --> 01:56:48,039
the gameplay side of, things like that first one. Did

2931
01:56:49,039 --> 01:56:50,720
but the reality, is, like, yeah not a lot of

2932
01:56:50,760 --> 01:56:53,479
games do we end up talking for like five hours

2933
01:56:53,600 --> 01:56:55,680
worth of. Podcasting you, Know like there's obviously a lot.

2934
01:56:55,720 --> 01:56:57,680
Here it's a really fun to break. DOWN i even

2935
01:56:57,680 --> 01:56:59,079
at when we're done here And i'm done editing this,

2936
01:56:59,079 --> 01:57:00,880
Episode i'm gonna go play a little bit more. Tonight

2937
01:57:01,399 --> 01:57:04,119
AND i, REALLY i really enjoy a lot of what's

2938
01:57:04,159 --> 01:57:06,279
going on, here AND i just think it's almost like too.

2939
01:57:06,399 --> 01:57:07,239
Speaker 2: Much and if the game.

2940
01:57:07,079 --> 01:57:10,000
Speaker 1: Would been like a little bit more confined and concise

2941
01:57:10,279 --> 01:57:12,600
and you, know send off some of the, EDGES i

2942
01:57:12,640 --> 01:57:14,439
think it could have been an all time Great but

2943
01:57:14,520 --> 01:57:16,520
instead it's still like just a game THAT i really enjoy,

2944
01:57:16,560 --> 01:57:19,239
playing which is nothing wrong with, That and, Yeah i'm

2945
01:57:19,319 --> 01:57:21,600
Down i'm down for. More so this is really fun and,

2946
01:57:21,720 --> 01:57:23,359
YEAH i Mean i'm still playing on playing a bunch

2947
01:57:23,359 --> 01:57:25,560
of this game and trying to get like all those

2948
01:57:25,640 --> 01:57:27,479
trophies we'll see BECAUSE i want to see all the

2949
01:57:27,520 --> 01:57:29,640
weird stuff that this game has to. Offer and So

2950
01:57:29,680 --> 01:57:31,720
i'm sure this won't be the last time we talk

2951
01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:33,920
about this. Game but this is a, really really great.

2952
01:57:33,960 --> 01:57:36,800
CONVERSATION i don't know what number to give. This i'm

2953
01:57:36,800 --> 01:57:38,079
not going to give it a number at this point in.

2954
01:57:38,119 --> 01:57:40,039
Time i'll hold. OFF i need to think on it

2955
01:57:40,159 --> 01:57:42,359
more and maybe complete some more side. STUFF i also

2956
01:57:42,439 --> 01:57:44,640
really want TO i just thought about this. Now but

2957
01:57:44,760 --> 01:57:47,199
THE vr, Missions i'm guessing you haven't jumped into any

2958
01:57:47,239 --> 01:57:49,560
of those, yet, Right and some of them are like,

2959
01:57:49,640 --> 01:57:51,760
tutorials but it seems like there are advanced, ones and

2960
01:57:51,840 --> 01:57:54,119
so that could be a cool idea of, like, hey

2961
01:57:54,199 --> 01:57:56,039
here's some of the weird gear that you're never really

2962
01:57:56,079 --> 01:57:58,239
forced to, use but in this like linear little. Mission

2963
01:57:58,760 --> 01:58:00,239
tried this thing, out AND i feel like the could

2964
01:58:00,239 --> 01:58:01,880
be so interesting stuff. There SO i just feel like

2965
01:58:01,920 --> 01:58:03,239
there's a lot MORE i need to check out with

2966
01:58:03,279 --> 01:58:06,039
this game BEFORE i can, really you, know throw the

2967
01:58:06,079 --> 01:58:09,560
hammer down on. It but, yeah any any final thoughts

2968
01:58:09,640 --> 01:58:11,840
On Death raining two because it might be a few

2969
01:58:11,880 --> 01:58:13,720
weeks before we kind of talk about this one of.

2970
01:58:13,760 --> 01:58:16,159
Speaker 3: Them. Yeah, No i'm excited to keep diving in the

2971
01:58:16,239 --> 01:58:18,359
world of. It it's gonna be a fun. Time i'm

2972
01:58:18,399 --> 01:58:21,239
glad that there's still is so many you, know preppers

2973
01:58:21,279 --> 01:58:22,880
THAT i got out, there AND i kind of keep

2974
01:58:22,920 --> 01:58:25,199
going for a while BECAUSE i did speed to the main.

2975
01:58:25,279 --> 01:58:26,960
Storylane but this is kind of like a nice little

2976
01:58:27,119 --> 01:58:30,079
sequel add. ON i was kind of hoping when we Got.

2977
01:58:30,159 --> 01:58:33,079
LOU i was hoping for A Red dead And Red

2978
01:58:33,119 --> 01:58:35,680
dead two situation where you're gonna switch over To lou

2979
01:58:35,840 --> 01:58:37,800
and that's but then if that, HAPPENED i would have

2980
01:58:37,800 --> 01:58:40,960
thought for sure none With. No, three BUT i thought

2981
01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:42,680
it was gonna. Happen but, no we're just still Playing,

2982
01:58:42,760 --> 01:58:44,640
sam so that's. Okay but, Yeah, No i'm excited to

2983
01:58:44,680 --> 01:58:46,399
go back to some stuff like you taught About mexico

2984
01:58:46,399 --> 01:58:48,399
Because i've my whole. Plans i'm doing the reverse WHEN

2985
01:58:48,399 --> 01:58:50,159
i Fish australia and then go back to my roots In,

2986
01:58:50,199 --> 01:58:52,479
mexico So i'll leave that the last but. Nice, Yeah,

2987
01:58:52,560 --> 01:58:54,079
no excited to see what's out there for. Me and,

2988
01:58:54,359 --> 01:58:55,840
YEAH i think the thing my score is still the

2989
01:58:55,880 --> 01:58:58,680
same about about nine. Ish somewhere in. THERE i got

2990
01:58:58,720 --> 01:59:01,159
some pros and. Cons there's sometimes WHERE i THINK i

2991
01:59:01,199 --> 01:59:02,960
could be like an eight point five because some story,

2992
01:59:03,000 --> 01:59:06,359
stuff but OVERALL i still got some big strengths. There so,

2993
01:59:06,680 --> 01:59:08,560
YEAH i know it's a world THAT i hope to revisit.

2994
01:59:08,600 --> 01:59:11,680
Again And i've been just bumping the score a. Lot

2995
01:59:11,800 --> 01:59:14,119
it's BEEN i add a lot of stuff to my liked.

2996
01:59:14,159 --> 01:59:16,279
One i'm thinking about being able to get into. Vinyls

2997
01:59:16,479 --> 01:59:18,680
they're releasing the vinyl In, september SO i might be

2998
01:59:19,279 --> 01:59:22,199
might be doing. That so, Yeah, NO i was very

2999
01:59:22,239 --> 01:59:24,680
happy back in the, world AND i hope this isn't

3000
01:59:24,720 --> 01:59:26,880
the last time at the point in my. Life but if,

3001
01:59:26,920 --> 01:59:29,600
not THEN i will happily at some point boot it,

3002
01:59:29,720 --> 01:59:31,960
up start, over and If kajima is ever like, yeah

3003
01:59:32,000 --> 01:59:34,479
De straanting is, dead you're never gonna, again then all,

3004
01:59:34,560 --> 01:59:36,399
right Then i'll find a way back.

3005
01:59:36,439 --> 01:59:36,479
Speaker 1: In.

3006
01:59:36,680 --> 01:59:38,760
Speaker 2: YEAH i guess worst, case we were getting a movie

3007
01:59:38,800 --> 01:59:40,840
at some, points that'll be that. Too, yeah that'll be.

3008
01:59:41,159 --> 01:59:42,840
Speaker 3: Yeah that maybe the whole reason they make of their game.

3009
01:59:42,880 --> 01:59:44,560
Too it's just, like, oh, well we gotta true we

3010
01:59:44,640 --> 01:59:46,319
can make some, Money so, YEAH i. Would and that's

3011
01:59:46,319 --> 01:59:48,159
the other. Thing, YEAH i hope we do actually get that.

3012
01:59:48,239 --> 01:59:50,199
Movie it's not one of these development hell movies where

3013
01:59:50,439 --> 01:59:51,239
we keep hearing about.

3014
01:59:51,279 --> 01:59:53,520
Speaker 2: It so, yeah do you think we'll get a director's

3015
01:59:53,560 --> 01:59:54,920
cut update for this game at some?

3016
01:59:55,000 --> 01:59:59,960
Speaker 3: Point, oh that's tough because that's also a situation where

3017
02:00:00,079 --> 02:00:02,720
if they did like a LITTLE dlc, MISSION i could

3018
02:00:02,720 --> 02:00:04,359
see if they did like all this where you're gonna

3019
02:00:04,359 --> 02:00:07,920
play his lou but uh, yeah uh you, Know i'll

3020
02:00:08,000 --> 02:00:12,239
just say it's, actually here's What i'll. Say i'll say

3021
02:00:13,880 --> 02:00:16,680
yes to SOME, dlc but no to a director's. Cut

3022
02:00:16,760 --> 02:00:18,720
they might still call, that but the way directors cut

3023
02:00:18,760 --> 02:00:20,720
felt more, like oh they were fine. STUFF i think

3024
02:00:20,760 --> 02:00:22,279
they kind of did that throughout the. GAME i just

3025
02:00:22,319 --> 02:00:25,439
think they could add more stuff to said. Game but,

3026
02:00:25,760 --> 02:00:27,760
yeah BECAUSE i would have said. No BUT i thought

3027
02:00:27,840 --> 02:00:30,279
that last, time and when we GOT DLC a. SURPRISED i.

3028
02:00:30,319 --> 02:00:32,119
Speaker 2: Said it was like a car they added in the

3029
02:00:32,159 --> 02:00:34,479
director's cut that's not even usable in this, Game LIKE

3030
02:00:35,079 --> 02:00:37,439
i don't ever use. That. No, yeah SO i feel

3031
02:00:37,479 --> 02:00:39,279
like there's probably some more on the cutting room floor

3032
02:00:39,359 --> 02:00:39,600
that they.

3033
02:00:39,600 --> 02:00:43,439
Speaker 3: Can So i'll say. Yes in about you, know eight

3034
02:00:43,520 --> 02:00:44,520
months to a, year so.

3035
02:00:45,159 --> 02:00:48,399
Speaker 1: Nice uh and about time it takes for a baby

3036
02:00:48,479 --> 02:00:51,880
to go from conception to birth exactly ye.

3037
02:00:53,720 --> 02:00:54,319
Speaker 2: Or maybe into a.

3038
02:00:54,439 --> 02:00:57,119
Speaker 1: Pod you never know what happens in these, worlds uh

3039
02:00:57,640 --> 02:00:59,279
drives like you for joining me on these you, know

3040
02:00:59,439 --> 02:01:01,840
LIKE i, said five hours worth of death righting to you.

3041
02:01:02,279 --> 02:01:04,560
Speaker 2: Conversation this is a really great. Time thank you for.

3042
02:01:04,680 --> 02:01:07,079
Speaker 1: Listening next week we'll be talking about. You you Mentioned

3043
02:01:07,119 --> 02:01:09,760
Khosa sushima or khost Of yota. Earlier we'll talk about

3044
02:01:09,760 --> 02:01:13,079
that next week because there's a state of play happening for,

3045
02:01:13,119 --> 02:01:15,119
that along with some other games have been, playing other

3046
02:01:15,199 --> 02:01:17,680
any other news bits that. Happened so thank you everyone

3047
02:01:17,720 --> 02:01:20,840
for listening and we will see you again next.

3048
02:01:20,920 --> 02:01:21,800
Speaker 2: Time bye, bye