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<v Speaker 1>What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein Chronicles. A few months ago, we learned that down

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<v Speaker 1>in New Mexico they were putting together a quote unquote

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<v Speaker 1>truth Commission that was going to be tasked with investigating

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey Epstein and the crime surrounding his time in New Mexico. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that commission has released its first report, So we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to dive into an article from the Santa Fe New

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican talking about the release of this initial report once again.

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<v Speaker 1>This article was published by the Santa Fe New Mexican

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<v Speaker 1>and the headline New Mexico's Legislative Truth Commission on Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>release's initial report. This article was authored by Clara Bates.

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<v Speaker 1>An initial report by a legislative commission on its month

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<v Speaker 1>long investigation into Jeffrey Epstein is more of a summary

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<v Speaker 1>of public record than a reveal of groundbreaking findings. It does, however,

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<v Speaker 1>cast light on the dynamic between the Truth Commission and

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<v Speaker 1>the New Mexican Department of Justice, which both are investigating

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein's activities in the state where he owned a sprawling

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<v Speaker 1>ranch in southern Santa Fe County for decades. Imagine investigating

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<v Speaker 1>this late in the game and acting like you're some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of hero. The Attorney General's office in New Mexico

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<v Speaker 1>should be embarrassed. They knew this was going on. I

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<v Speaker 1>contacted them personally before I went down to New Mexico.

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<v Speaker 1>I never got a response. I had plenty of questions

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<v Speaker 1>about ex law enforcement that I spoke with while I

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<v Speaker 1>was down there. Who knew that something was going on

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<v Speaker 1>at Zoro Ranch? Knew that something bad was going on there?

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<v Speaker 1>And if they knew, do you really think that their

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<v Speaker 1>superiors had no idea that just these regular old officers knew,

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<v Speaker 1>but their bosses didn't. The people that worked in intelligence

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<v Speaker 1>had no idea? All right? I guess The Truth Commission

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<v Speaker 1>accuses the Justice Department of withholding key records, even as

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<v Speaker 1>the state agency makes similar accusations against the federal govern

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<v Speaker 1>A few hours before the bipartisan Truth Commission released its report,

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<v Speaker 1>during a Wednesday hearing at the state capitol in Santa Fe,

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<v Speaker 1>Attorney General Ronald Torres announced in a virtual news conference

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<v Speaker 1>that he had filed a lawsuit against the US Department

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<v Speaker 1>of Justice for what he says is a failure to

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<v Speaker 1>turn over unredacted files on EPSTEIN that would aid in

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<v Speaker 1>a criminal investigation. And look, there is no justification for

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<v Speaker 1>those files not being turned over if they have to

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<v Speaker 1>do with New Mexico and there's a criminal issue that's

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<v Speaker 1>being dealt with in New Mexico, breaking news, the DOJ

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<v Speaker 1>should be playing ball. But of course all they do

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<v Speaker 1>is talk about transparency. They're not really about it. The

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<v Speaker 1>New Mexico Justice Department only partially responded to the Truth

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<v Speaker 1>Commission subpoena. The new report states many of the requested

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<v Speaker 1>documents were deemed withheld as privileged or had the names

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<v Speaker 1>of survivors and witnesses redacted. According to the report, ah well,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't that sound familiar? And if the DOJ can get

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<v Speaker 1>away with it, then the state agencies they believe they

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<v Speaker 1>can too, monkey see monkey do right. Oh well, the

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<v Speaker 1>DOJ doesn't do the right thing, so why should we.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody's forced them to comply, So who's going to force

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<v Speaker 1>us to comply? The DOJ, of course not. They're in

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<v Speaker 1>on it. In fact, they're running it. So all these

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<v Speaker 1>states they have a built in out right, Well, we're

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<v Speaker 1>just following the lead of the DOJ. But that's not

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<v Speaker 1>good enough. They owe the residents, the citizens of those

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<v Speaker 1>states a robust and unhampered investigation because up until this

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<v Speaker 1>point that has not happened. We have yet to receive

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<v Speaker 1>the full information we subpoenaed for at the New Mexico

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<v Speaker 1>Department of Justice, said Commissioner Chair Andrea Romero, a Democratic

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<v Speaker 1>State House member from Santa Fe, at the Wednesday afternoon hearing.

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<v Speaker 1>We're still waiting on documents that we believe they have

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<v Speaker 1>access to that we have yet to receive. You're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be waiting for a long time, unfortunately, because the

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<v Speaker 1>DOJ once again has no desire to comply, and until

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<v Speaker 1>they're forced to do so, you can expect more of

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<v Speaker 1>the same. The Commission and the State Justice Department are

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<v Speaker 1>currently engaged in negotiation with the aim of reaching an

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<v Speaker 1>agreement to share information with one another as permitted by

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<v Speaker 1>law and consistent with their independent authorities and purposes, the

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<v Speaker 1>report states, adding the Commission has proposed that they share

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<v Speaker 1>as much information as possible and coordinate that positions and interviews.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how it should work. They should be walking hand

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<v Speaker 1>in hand the Commission, the Department of Justice, and the

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<v Speaker 1>local attorney General. There shouldn't be pushedback or roadblocks or

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<v Speaker 1>any impediments to justice everybody should be on the same page, unless,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, somebody or buddies have something to hide. Torres

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<v Speaker 1>disputed the characterization on Wednesday, telling reporters his agency complied

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<v Speaker 1>with the Truth Commission subpoena, but can't share a certain

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<v Speaker 1>details with the Commission. So basically, he's doing to the

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<v Speaker 1>Commission what he's alleging that the DOJ is doing to him.

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<v Speaker 1>Does he not see the irony here? Does he not

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<v Speaker 1>understand that he looks like a moron? And the sad

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<v Speaker 1>truth is the vast majority of these politicians that have

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<v Speaker 1>inserted themselves into the topic have no idea what they're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about, zero idea. The State Justice Department's own probe

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<v Speaker 1>is focused on determining whether there is still a viable

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<v Speaker 1>criminal case to evaluate and prepare. Torres said, while the

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<v Speaker 1>Truth Commission's investigation is much broader into institutional failures, information sharing,

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<v Speaker 1>who knew what, when, how they acted on it, how

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<v Speaker 1>they responded to it. So we have very different objectives

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<v Speaker 1>and what that means is we go about our work

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<v Speaker 1>in just a fundamentally different way. Well, yeah, but you

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<v Speaker 1>guys should be communicating, You should be talking. There should

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<v Speaker 1>be a liaison between the offices. Right. If we really

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<v Speaker 1>want to get to the bottom of what happened and

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<v Speaker 1>we want to know the truth, then these agencies, he states,

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<v Speaker 1>they have to work together. He added that the commission's

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<v Speaker 1>work can be more transparent than the prosecutor's probe since

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<v Speaker 1>his team can't discuss the measures that we take, the

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<v Speaker 1>techniques that we use, the people that we talk to

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<v Speaker 1>while working towards a possible indictment. The impasse between the

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<v Speaker 1>Truth Commission and the New Mexico Department of Justice makes

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<v Speaker 1>up just a few paragraphs of the report, prepared by

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<v Speaker 1>an Albuquerque based legal team from the personal injury firm

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<v Speaker 1>Fiduel Clough, Hardy and Conaway. The one hundred and nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>page report leans heavily on US Department of Justice files

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<v Speaker 1>and news stories to trace Epstein's background and history in

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<v Speaker 1>the state, including several of the New Mexican's investigations. The

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<v Speaker 1>report states that it's the result of months of review

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<v Speaker 1>of epstein file, Transparency Act documents, material received in a

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<v Speaker 1>response to subpoenas and other publicly available sources. Romero acknowledged

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<v Speaker 1>most of the information had previously been made public, and

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<v Speaker 1>we claim those scoop on this information. Well, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be some bombshell breaking news at least initially.

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<v Speaker 1>There has to be a full on investigation, right and

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully that's what this leads to. But she said, it's

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<v Speaker 1>the first time any government has documented what is known

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<v Speaker 1>about Epstein and what he did in our state, and

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<v Speaker 1>is the first official account that exists outside of a courtroom.

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<v Speaker 1>The commission has so far reviewed reports of five survivors,

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<v Speaker 1>but has counted at least thirty other individuals who potentially

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<v Speaker 1>were abused by Epstein in New Mexico. The report states, Look,

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard from several people who have said they were abused,

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<v Speaker 1>several people. Now, when I was down in New Mexico,

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<v Speaker 1>when I was talking to the lady at the hotel,

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<v Speaker 1>she was telling me about the big problem they have

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<v Speaker 1>with human trafficking overall, and how a lot of girls

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<v Speaker 1>from the reservations end up going missing. So I've always

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<v Speaker 1>wondered if Jeffrey Epstein and his buddies were involved in

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<v Speaker 1>any of that. Very possible, right, We know that Jean

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<v Speaker 1>lu Brunel used to like to go to places like Brazil,

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<v Speaker 1>Peru and fine girls. So you mean to tell me

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<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't be looking for vulnerable girls on a reservation.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a hard time believing that they would leave

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<v Speaker 1>that rock unturned, if you will, these sick, degenerate bastards.

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein on Zoro Ranch from ninety three until his death

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty nineteen, when he was awaiting trial in New

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<v Speaker 1>York on federal charges of sex trafficking. The Truth Commission's

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<v Speaker 1>report was due to leaders of the New Mexico House

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<v Speaker 1>of Representatives by July thirty first, under the House resolution

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<v Speaker 1>that created the commission. However, it wasn't shared until Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 1>Romero acknowledged at the news conference Representative Marianna Anaya of Albaque,

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<v Speaker 1>Turkey tol reporters the commissioners wanted to share the information

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<v Speaker 1>in the report with survivors, which they did Tuesday before

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<v Speaker 1>it was released publicly. I don't have a problem with that.

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<v Speaker 1>The people who were affected the most should have some

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<v Speaker 1>inside track, right, Hey, Look, this is what we found.

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<v Speaker 1>Your name was in here, and this is what we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to do. God forbid you keep them in the loop.

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<v Speaker 1>The Commission's final report is due December thirty first. The

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<v Speaker 1>Commission so far has issued twenty subpoenas and received over

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred thousand pages from subpoena agencies and organizations, Romero said,

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<v Speaker 1>which it's still processing well. According to the report, ten

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<v Speaker 1>organizations and agencies have fully complied with subpoenas, two have

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<v Speaker 1>partially complied, and eight refused to comply or provided no response.

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<v Speaker 1>The federal agency subpoenaed and US Attorney's offices did not

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<v Speaker 1>respond or were only in partial compliance. It's so disgusting

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<v Speaker 1>to me. The fact that they can just not comply

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of us have to is just unbelievably corrupt.

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<v Speaker 1>And where's the oversight all these big talking congressmen and women,

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<v Speaker 1>all these big talking senators. What a bunch of cowards.

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<v Speaker 1>A spokesperson for the US Attorney's Office in the Southern

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<v Speaker 1>District of New York, Nicholas bias or Biase, said in

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<v Speaker 1>a statement Wednesday, the office is not permitted to disclose

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<v Speaker 1>the requested information. The Epstein Files Transparency Act does not require,

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<v Speaker 1>and the protective orders in place in the Southern District

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<v Speaker 1>of New York do not permit disclosure of victim identifying information.

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<v Speaker 1>Carte Blanche and New Mexico is provided no lawful basis

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<v Speaker 1>to justify such sweeping disclosures. Biase said, translation, we're hiding

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<v Speaker 1>that information and you cannot have it, and there's nothing

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<v Speaker 1>you can do to force us to comply. Protecting victim

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<v Speaker 1>privacy remains a top priority for the department, and neither

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<v Speaker 1>two ear requests nor a desire to cooperate outweighs that privacy. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>do you have no shame? Honestly, do they have no shame?

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<v Speaker 1>So it's the survivors who're blocking this too. It's always

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<v Speaker 1>the survivor's Faultah, you guys paying attention yet, I hope.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Commission plans to issue four new subpoenas Romero

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<v Speaker 1>announced at Wednesday's hearing, which are not yet posted publicly.

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<v Speaker 1>Those will be issued to three state agencies, the New

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<v Speaker 1>Mexico Department of Workforce Solutions, the Department of Public Safety,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Department of Taxation and Revenue, along with ten

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<v Speaker 1>thousand Waves SPA in Santa Fe. And we heard that

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<v Speaker 1>that SPA was providing women to Epstein. Is it true.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but we certainly heard that. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>a good subpoena and maybe we'll learn a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of something. Massage therapists from ten thousand Waves were recruited

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<v Speaker 1>to provide massages at the ranch, former ranch manager Bryce

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<v Speaker 1>Gordon told the FBI in two thousand and seven. However,

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<v Speaker 1>the SPA issued a statement in April saying it never

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<v Speaker 1>provided therapists for off premises house calls and only learned

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<v Speaker 1>of Epstein's misconduct when the public did. Well, maybe the

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<v Speaker 1>women that were working there were doing a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a side hustle. That's plausible, right, They work at

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<v Speaker 1>the ten thousand waves and then on their time off

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<v Speaker 1>they're doing some side hustle in and doing massages. So again,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to get to the bottom of it. We

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<v Speaker 1>need to know the truth. The Truth Commission has in

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<v Speaker 1>yet subpoenaed individuals, though it acknowledges deposition of witnesses will

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<v Speaker 1>be the most crucial part of executing the Commission's mandate.

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<v Speaker 1>And look the depositions, those transcripts and sitting down for conversations.

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<v Speaker 1>They tell the real story. And that's why I love

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<v Speaker 1>to dive in to any deposition we can get our

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<v Speaker 1>hands on. It's always better when people are being asked directly.

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<v Speaker 1>That way, there's no place to hide. Either you answered

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<v Speaker 1>the question or you didn't. The report states those interviews

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<v Speaker 1>return of the subpoenas it's not clear when that will be.

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<v Speaker 1>New Mexico native Rachel Benavidez, who accused Epstein of abuse,

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<v Speaker 1>appeared in person to testify on Wednesday. As she has

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<v Speaker 1>at previous hearings, she urged the Commission to question these

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<v Speaker 1>co conspirators and perpetrators individually under oath. Benavidez first went

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<v Speaker 1>to the ranch in ninety nine as a twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>year old massage therapist for Maxwell and then Epstein. She

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<v Speaker 1>told the national media. She says that Epstein sexually assaulted

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<v Speaker 1>her there over the course of around two years. This

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<v Speaker 1>was a monster who used power, intimidation, wealth, influence, false

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<v Speaker 1>pretenses and a masked disguise to gain access and exploit

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<v Speaker 1>the one thing that meant everything to me at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>my heart earned career, Benavidez told the Commission on Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 1>He exploited us all and too many people within his

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<v Speaker 1>network scoffed at the idea that he could possibly be

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<v Speaker 1>a sexual predator and a criminal. These same people, we

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<v Speaker 1>later learned, couldn't wait to participate in the abuse and

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<v Speaker 1>then fervently deny it. She added, I use this survivor

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<v Speaker 1>platform to stand on the right side of every survivor's

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<v Speaker 1>journey towards justice and truth. Benevetez said, I'm holding on

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<v Speaker 1>to faith that real accountability will be achieved. Man. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope so, and I wish I could tell you guys

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<v Speaker 1>that I was confident that we get there, but I'm not. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't mean I've given up all hope. If that

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<v Speaker 1>was the case, we'd stop talking about this. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a tough fight, and I want people

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<v Speaker 1>to be prepared for the ups and downs that come

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<v Speaker 1>along with that. So I just want everyone to be

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<v Speaker 1>prepared because this battle has just begun. All the information

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<v Speaker 1>that goes with this episode can be found in the

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<v Speaker 1>description box.