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Speaker 1: You have a moniker, the National Forest serial killer.

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Speaker 2: Oh really, I think I prefer the Beast of Blood Mountain.

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Speaker 1: A killer perversely proud of his crimes.

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Speaker 2: I set the record. I'm the oldest serial killer in

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American history. Isn't that amazing?

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Speaker 1: He lurked in the woods, preyed on hiking trails, and

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displayed the evil that can be found in the wilderness

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of a human mind.

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Speaker 2: I'm your worst nightmare, David Gary.

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Speaker 1: Michael Hilton is talking about his crimes for the first

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time ever.

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Speaker 2: After ignoring innumerable request from every kind of person in

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the world. This time to break my silence.

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Speaker 1: And he'll be confronted like never before. Now you keep

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pointing to Rob Ready, But was that just an excuse

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to torture and kill people?

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Speaker 2: Torture and kill people? Hold on, torture. I didn't torture anybody.

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Speaker 1: Cannot people chain them up in your car to beat

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them to death, you rape them. Most people regard that

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as torture.

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Speaker 2: No, no, Now, where are we going with this?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think we're going to the mind of a psychopath.

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A psychopath a void of empathy, mercy or decency, narcissistic, psychotically, So.

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Speaker 2: You're nuts, heal them with it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you who.

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Speaker 1: Now awaiting a death sentence in Florida, Hilton says he's

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finally ready to come clean.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to give you a news scoop.

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Speaker 3: I did it to him.

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Speaker 2: I'm confessing to a murder on camera and.

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Speaker 1: Reveal what really happened to his victims.

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Speaker 2: She said something that really grabbed me.

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Speaker 1: What she said. It's the last chapter of an American

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crime saga. Do you hate women?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Enough yes, And our last chance to look inside the

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mind of one of the country's most terrifying serial killers.

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You have the power to haunt our dreams, yes, turn

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them into nightmare. Do you enjoy having that kind.

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Speaker 3: Of power over us?

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Speaker 2: You know, in a perverse kind of way.

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 1: By now, I've come face to face with my share

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of killers. They've been deranged, troubled, violent, their heinous crimes

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defined by a lifetime of hate or a split second

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of evil. But nothing could have prepared me for the

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likes of Gary Michael Hilton. New questions an about whether

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the man accused of killing and decapitating a Georgia hiker

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may in fact be a serial killer. In two thousand

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and seven, at the ripe age of sixty one years old,

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Gary Hilton made national headlines by launching a shocking murder

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spree in an unexpected crime scene, the sprawling wilderness of

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America's national forests. Over four months, he abducted, raped, murdered,

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and decapitated unsuspecting hikers, terrifying park visitors across the country.

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With Hilton lurking in the woods, no one was safe.

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It was like something out of a horror movie. Wearing

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a makeshift mask, Hilton used his victims atm cards in

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the aftermath of each grisly murder. Then in January two

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thousand and eight, a massive manhunt led to his capture

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again that one whilet's take back, okay, get hired.

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Speaker 2: I have this.

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Speaker 4: The person of interest in that missing woman case is

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at this Chevron gas statue. He's throw himself in the

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sulmster here.

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Speaker 1: I can go take him down if you want.

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Speaker 2: Old Day right there coughed, yeah, wait for there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Hilton's arrest made national news and brought an end to

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the carnage.

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Speaker 5: Cops tracked this guy down and captured him.

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Speaker 6: Sixty one year old Gary Michael Hilton now sits in

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a county jail.

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Speaker 1: Charge with abducting and killing twenty four year old Meredith

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the Emmerson.

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Speaker 3: The suspect in this case, is also a possible suspect

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in other murders.

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Speaker 1: His interrogation brought into focus a terrifying villain.

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Speaker 7: Once you'd take him someone, you're either gonna kill them

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or are you gonna get caught?

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Speaker 1: Wickedly intelligent, boastful of his crimes.

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Speaker 2: I'm the one to kill the girl, okay, I'm.

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Speaker 1: The one to kill, and contemptuous of his victims.

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Speaker 2: I didn't kill the coast for any satisfaction.

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Speaker 1: It was distasteful.

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Speaker 2: It was dreadful, trust me.

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 2: Of course I was able to do it because of

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my general legy in society.

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Speaker 1: Cut Horse, cup Horse Hilton pleaded guilty to murdering twenty

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four year old Meredith Emerson in Georgia, as well as

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John and Irene Bryant, an elderly couple in North Carolina.

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He was also tried, convicted, and sentenced to death for

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the murder of forty six year old Sheryl Dunlap in Florida,

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a crime to which he has never confessed until now. Today,

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he awaits execution after more than a decade on Florida's

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death Row, but questions remain about Hilton's terrifying rampage, many

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only he can answer. At sixty one years old, he

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claims he became America's oldest serial killer. What caused him

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to snap? Why did he do it? Are there other victims?

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Despite all the attention, Hilton has never before spoken to

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the media. Okay, so clock starts now ten forty two. Good,

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good time, We have exactly sixty minutes. It was my

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first interview with a murderer sentenced to die after all

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these years. Why did Hilton finally want to talk and

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what would he now reveal?

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Speaker 8: Here?

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Speaker 1: You are on death row, Yes, talking for the first

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time publicly about your crimes.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: We're here today, sir, to try and understand the mindset

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and motivations behind your actions in these cases. You're seventy

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eight years old now, right, Yes? In poor health? You say, yes,

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very poor health.

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Speaker 2: That's one reason I'm doing this because I'm going to

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die soon. I have a congestive heart failure. Tell me,

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in your own words, why are you breaking your silence? Well,

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you hit it right on the head, and I also

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an answer is I don't know. All I can say

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is is time. After seventeen years, after ignoring innumerable request

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from every kind of person in the world, It's time.

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Speaker 1: That's the way I feel.

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Speaker 2: It's time, after seventeen years, to break my silence.

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Speaker 1: In our correspondence, he said, I think I'm prepared to

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give you an interview that's a lollapalooza. It'll knock your

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socks off. Yes, I will answer any question, yes, about

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any subject, truthfully and completely.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Can I count on you for that?

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Speaker 2: You sure can?

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Speaker 1: You said, be prepared to meet a whole different breed

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of cat? What breed exactly?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm just like no one else really, you know,

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serial killer.

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Speaker 1: There are a dime a dozen psychopaths, no sociopath I

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have part of that in me. In the years since

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his murder spree, Hilton's infamy has seemingly only grown. He's

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been the subject of doctors, mentories, and internet lore.

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Speaker 2: This is the case of Gary Hilton.

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Speaker 1: His crimes spanned three states and millions of acres of

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Christine National Forests and terrorized hikers everywhere. What did you

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think when the media dubbed you the National Forest serial Killer?

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Speaker 2: I think I prefer the Beast of Blood Mountain, The

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Beast of Blood Mountain?

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Speaker 1: Does that give you a sense of accomplishment? Now bound

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by chains and shackled to a violent past, Hilton may

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look different now after twelve years on death row, but

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he's about to give his first interview ever and open

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a window into a mind deranged since childhood.

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Speaker 2: From a child, a little child, Oh, I was always

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fascinated with death and destruction and guns and war as

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a child at five six years old, Countly, I've just

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he's always been fascinated with it.

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Speaker 1: Born in Atlanta and raised in Florida by his mother

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and stepfather, Hilton's troubled and violent mind was evident as

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a teenager. Four minutes into the police interrogation, you call

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yourself a sociopath. Do you remember that? He said, I'm

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a sociopath.

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Speaker 2: But they call him anti social. That's best the new

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name for it, an anti social personality. In my day,

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it was called a sociopathic character disorder.

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Speaker 1: Were you diagnosed as As a matter of fact, I

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was at age fourteen, Hilton fired a shotgun at his stepfather,

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nearly killing him. Authorities ordered a mental evaluation.

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Speaker 2: At fourteen, I was seeing the head of the Dade

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County Child Goddex Clinic, who was a psychiatrist. I saw

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Emperor of a year or two and he just flat

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told me, what did he tell you? You have a

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sociopathic character disorder.

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Speaker 1: Hilton had other textbook markers for psychopathy and a condition

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called paraphilia, an obsession with violent sexual fantasies. You admit

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to paraphilia strong, strong, strong.

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Speaker 2: That's one of the reasons I am a chiller. I've

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had strong paraphilia all my life. When I accidentally discovered

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masturbation my paraphilia, as I was doing it for years.

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It was a battlefield and they were women nude, and

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they were spread over a tree stump, and I would

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come along with a sword.

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Speaker 1: Hilton went on to describe vile acts against women. That's

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how you would get off.

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Speaker 2: This is my birth sexual.

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Speaker 1: Feeling. His adulthood was marked by a string of failed

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marriages and short lived jobs, until in middle age he

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found himself broke, homeless, and alone. But for the pet dogs,

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he says he fell closer to than any human being.

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You have an odd relationship with dogs. You seem more

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bonded with dogs than with the people in your.

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Speaker 2: Life, and your million times more.

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Speaker 1: Is that fair? Yeah, you told police. In the wolf

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world there are no assault in battery laws, there are

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no murder laws. Right, imagine such a world where there are.

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Speaker 2: No murder laws. Yes, that's the world they live in.

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Speaker 1: But in reality, in the real world, you're not a wolf,

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you're a human being, and she's an innocent stranger. So

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why kill? Why murder? Meredith Emerson.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question. That's a good question. We'll

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Speaker 1: It's not clear exactly when Gary Hilton decided to start

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stalking and killing people, but it is known that for

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years he frequented national parks in multiple states in his

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white van, posing as an ordinary hiker. What's doing out here?

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Speaker 4: We come along?

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Speaker 1: At some point in his middle age, a lifetime of

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madness and failure had pushed him over the edge. Outside

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of crime, your life is utterly unremarkable.

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Speaker 2: That's true. That's a fair A complete abject failure, a

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nothing for nobody, who never achieved anything, that never followed

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through on anything, who is a failure? And everything except killing?

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Well that was that started when I was sixty one.

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Speaker 1: In January two thousand and eight, Hilton was scouting the

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trails of Georgia's Blood Mountain for human prey. He was

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armed with a bayonet, a police baton, and a friendly

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red retriever named Dandy. Chattahoochee National Forest seven hundred and

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fifty thousand acres of thick woodlands in the North Georgia Mountains.

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At what point did you first spot Meredith? Can you remember?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I was coming down off the Blood Mountain Trail

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and she was just coming out when she had stopped

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and opened up her little collapsible dog bowl.

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Speaker 1: Twenty four year old Meredith Emerson was hiking with her

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dog on that day. The recent University of Georgia graduate

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was just settling into a new career and a bright

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future when she crossed paths with evil. She fit the profile.

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Speaker 2: Single definitely good looking, single woman, everything unlikely to.

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Speaker 1: Resist, or so you thought. You told police that your

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mo was to lurk and sometimes watch with the binoculars

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from a distance, just like a hundred wood Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The Blood Mountain Trail is the most used day high

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thing trail in the state of Georgia. So on the

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one end, that makes it an excellent hunting crown. On

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the other hand, it makes it no good because there's

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so many witnesses.

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Speaker 1: You positioned yourself at the intersection of two trails.

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Speaker 2: No, I was just coming down off the trail and boom,

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Speaker 1: At what point did you decide she was the one

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Speaker 2: I'd already decided to intil I saw her.

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Speaker 1: Closing the distance to Meredith on the trail was easy

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with the help of Hilton's dog, Dandy. You deploy your

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unwitting accomplice, Dandy, right, the icebreaker.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you can't help but not use them. He's

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so lovable.

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Speaker 1: E well, you told police that was part of the strategy.

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Speaker 2: You see reverse anthropomorphism. Rather than assigning human qualities to

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an animal, they assign animal qualities to humans. So he's

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got his laughing, lovable Golden Retriever. He must be okay, right,

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reversed anthwermorphisms.

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Speaker 1: Some men use dogs to meet women that way. You

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use your dog to meet victims that way. It worked

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on her. Right now, you're walking up towards the summit

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on the trail in close proximity. The presence of so

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many other people in the trail didn't dissuade you.

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you it should have. I walked up up

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the trail with her for a ways and several people

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saw me with her right and as a matter of fact,

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one guy and it turns out that he was law enforcement.

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I said no, that was bachelor tiling right there.

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Speaker 1: Moments later, alone with Meredith on the trail, the former

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army soldier brandished his bayonet blade and prepared to strike,

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but subduing her wouldn't be nearly as easy as he expected.

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Meredith Emerson was trained in martial arts and ready for

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the aging maniac. You confront her with the bayonet, she

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attacks the weapon.

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Speaker 2: She shocked me. She had real quick hands and she

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grabbed the knifely. She cut her head slightly. Like I said,

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the byonet was not sure. She grabbed it and I

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was so slack, I was like body gagging around. Didn't

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have a good firm grip on it, and she twisted

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it right out of my hand. So she disarms you,

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but she loses control of the bayonet too. At the

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same time.

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Speaker 1: Now you know you've badly miscalculated, you resort to your

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second go to weapon, the police batona.

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Speaker 2: And she just were seated to grabb modan and took

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the lad out of my head.

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Speaker 1: So now you're getting your ass kicked by a girl

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in the wood.

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Speaker 2: No, No, sounds like it, not at all. Really.

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Speaker 1: I sensed it this moment that pressing Hilton might help

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reveal just how prideful and heartless he is. To get

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inside his head, I needed to get under his skin.

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Speaker 2: What are you armed?

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Speaker 3: She's not?

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Speaker 1: You have what forty or fifty pounds on her? Not

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very manly of you, mister Hilton. You pick a week victim.

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An army soldier would call that a punk move.

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Speaker 2: No one was there but her and me. And I'm

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telling you, frankly, even the best.

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Speaker 1: Of us have bad days.

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Speaker 2: Okay, And no, it wasn't a punk move because she

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guess what happened? Then after she took the bat, she

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took the bend. At what happened?

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Speaker 1: Then you had to hand fight her, you said?

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Speaker 2: And what happened?

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Speaker 1: Then you overpowered her? Just barely.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like no, not just barely. No, where did

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you get that at? Well?

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Speaker 1: You said to the police. I had to hand fighter.

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I probably have multiple fractures in my right hand. Yes,

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I still couldn't get control of her. She would feign

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or pretend that I was in control and then start

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fighting again. So I had to hit her a number

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of times, straight punches to the face or the head.

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Speaker 2: Right, But I had control of her. I had her,

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had her with my left hand the whole time. So

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what happened? I beat her rash?

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Speaker 1: Can I ask you this empathy, mercy, decency? Did those

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ideas ever register with you at all?

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Speaker 2: Yes? I have four different personalities, A soldier, a scientist,

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an artist, and a comedian.

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Speaker 1: Hilton says he has multiple personalities to which he ascribes

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four respective professions, though he is qualified in none.

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Speaker 2: The soldier and asia this they're codally rational, unemotional. The

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artists concern with the textures and feelings and emotions, and

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the comedian wants to let people happy. The soldier personalities

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and is emotionless killed them. I'll let God sort them out.

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That's the soldier mentower.

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Speaker 1: Is it possible that all that talk about being an

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army soldier was delusional on your part?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 2: No, Now, I've been tested too many childs. I've been

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in two too many bites for over twenty years.

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Speaker 1: Hilton forcibly abducted Meredith Emerson and chained her to the

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chassis inside his white van. While Meredith languished. A massive

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search was underway to find her. That garnered widespread media attention,

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but the scale of the crime scene, nearly a million

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acres of Georgia's Chattahoochee National Forest, was daunting. No trace

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yet of a missing twenty four year old Gwinnette County woman.

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Speaker 3: We were there from sun up to sundown.

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Speaker 5: Meredith Emerson could do anything.

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Speaker 1: If anybody can.

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Speaker 5: Survive this, she can't.

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Speaker 2: We haven't found anything here yet.

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Speaker 1: The community rallies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought this would just pass unnoticed, just another

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hiker missing in the mouse and no big deal. Maybe

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a paragraph in the paper could agree.

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Speaker 1: Suddenly the investigation was blown wide open. Police pick up

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a digital trail as Meredith repeatedly sends Hilton to ATM

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machines with the wrong pin number signaling his location. Hilton

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is publicly identified as the prime suspect, last seen by witnesses.

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With Meredith Emerson alive, the race is on to rescue

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Meredith and apprehend Hilton.

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Speaker 9: It is going to be a white male between the

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ages of fifty and sixty years old.

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Speaker 1: But the next discovery would change everything.

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Speaker 10: Bobby of mayby four year old Irene and Bryan. It

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was discovered on November ninth in the North Carolina Woods,

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and her husband, eighty year old John, is still missing.

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Speaker 1: It turns out that Meredith Emerson is not the first

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person attacked on Hilton's killing spree, only the latest.

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Speaker 2: You never intended to let her go never.

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Speaker 1: Now you keep pointing to robbery, but that sure seems

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like a pretext for what you described as paraphilia. Was

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that just an excuse to torture and kill people?

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Speaker 2: Now, torture and kill people? Hold on, torture. I didn't

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torture anybody.

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Speaker 1: Cannot people chain them up in your car, you beat

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them to death, you rape them.

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Speaker 2: Most people would regard that as torture. No, no, no, no.

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Where are we going with this?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 1: I think we're going to the mind of a psychopath.

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A psychopath, a void of a thief, mercy or decency, narcissistic, psychotically.

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Speaker 2: So your nuts, I'm nuts, Yes, you are nuts?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 11: This week Lori Valudebo representing herself what to expect and

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what to look for each day in the Cult Mom Conspiracy.

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Speaker 1: Trial Opening Statements with Julie Grant Mornings at eighty seventh

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Central on Core TV.

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Speaker 11: The NWSL is on Ion, Barbara Banda and the Pride Battle,

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the Spirit.

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Speaker 5: In le Bonza and the current take on the Dash.

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Speaker 11: Thirdday COVID starts Saturday, five pm Ion.

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Speaker 3: It's on.

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Speaker 2: All day above Blood Mountains.

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Speaker 6: The State Patrol's infrared detectors scanned for body heat below.

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Speaker 1: The search for Meredith Emerson made national headline and was

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a desperate race against time.

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Speaker 12: Do everything we can do to make sure that if

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she's up there, that we get her out of there,

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get her out of there safely.

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Speaker 1: Police now knew who took her and which way he

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was driving. They also knew that Hilton could snap at

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any moment.

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Speaker 2: It's a missing person's investigation right now, and that's how

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we're pursuing it.

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Speaker 1: And the scale of the investigation had expanded to three

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states when police realized that Meredith Emerson wasn't Hilton's first victim,

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only the latest.

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Speaker 10: The body of eighty four year old Irene Bryant was

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discovered on November ninth in the North Carolina Woods, and

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her husband, eighty year old John, is still missing.

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Speaker 1: Four months earlier, John and Irene Bryant had just arrived

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at Pisca National Forest in North Carolina. The retired couple

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were eighty and eighty four years old, but fit and

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young at heart and avid hikers. But on this day,

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the Bryants walked onto the trailhead and into an ambush.

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Sixty one year old drifter Gary Hilton was armed and

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lying in wait Irene and John Bryant right October two

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thousand and seven. Hilton has never discussed exactly what happened

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to the Bryants until now. The crime scene is North

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Carolina's Pisco National Forest, half a million acres with hundreds

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of miles of hiking trails. At what point did you

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spot the two octogenarians.

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Speaker 2: When they got out of their car at the trailhead

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in the parking lot? Yeah, there was just a little

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parking lot.

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Speaker 1: And why then were there no loane girls out there

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that day?

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Speaker 2: To pick on? No again, I bowled one of my rules.

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I said no couples, because two murders would generate a

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lot of publicity. I was down to one riddling two

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spoons of coffee two dollars. I'd been living out a

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dumpsters from a picnic area for two weeks. I lost

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a ton of weight. I think I was probably about

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a down to one hundred and forty, and I just said, hey,

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this has got to stop. And I had to take

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some money.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean when you say you had to

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take someone to get money for robbery purposes?

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Speaker 2: Well, well, yes, I'm going to stake out this trailhead

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and the first person that shows up goes the bans.

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, what happens next?

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Speaker 2: So I kind of geared up, and so I said

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to John Bryant, you know what, We're going to take

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your credit card and run it. And he said, I'll

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go to hell. And he just rushed right past me,

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and I deployed the baton and hit him on the

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back of his left knee. So the guy whirls around.

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He was a big guy, a big strong man, just

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as bit as can be. It whirls around. He's carrying

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this trekking stick, this hiking stick that they love to carry.

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So he goes out to me with that. So I

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just brushed it.

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Speaker 1: Away and I'm whack.

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Speaker 2: He didn't on the side of her head, then pulled

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out of a pepper sprayed him in the face. He

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steps forward a few feet and goes down where was Irene.

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She was a few feet ahead of him, and then

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he does the craziest thing. I can't believe this, he said, Irene.

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I can't see he didn't. I'd just beaten him down.

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And he's a big guy, six foot plus, and now

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he's telling his wife to fight me. And bless her heart, Irene,

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she was all hard.

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Speaker 1: She comes at you.

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Speaker 2: She springs right into a fencing position, you know, like

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on guard, you know, and pop and she stabs me.

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I go ah, and I brush it to one side

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and whack hit her with the expander. She goes down.

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Then I'm going to take him with me. Brian never

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gets up. But there's another crazy thing. Well, he's sitting there.

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He pulls his wallet out and he takes his credit

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cards out and he froze them. Inexplicable.

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Speaker 1: Did you abduct both of them at that point?

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Speaker 2: No, no, I have only adducted him. She wouldn't get

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in the band.

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Speaker 1: So what did you do to her?

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Speaker 2: Well, I put him in the van, locked him in

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the van and closed the door, and I went back

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over to her a few feet away. She knew what

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was coming, and she said, I'm not getting in the band.

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The police always tell you don't get in the vehicle.

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You're as good as dead, and she says, I'm not

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getting in the van. I gave him a dirty Harry voice.

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I said, you're not getting into van? She said no,

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and I immediately laid into her. I beat her, and

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her blood blew up and hit me in the eyes

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that had turned my vision rag. Oh, nasty, nasty, nasty, nasty.

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Speaker 1: Hilton jumped Irene Bryan's body near the trail and held

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a battered John Bryant captive in his white fan. He

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masked his face with duct tape and used the Brian's

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ATM card to withdraw his payday for murder and kidnapping

474
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,480
three hundred dollars. There are easier ways to get money,

475
00:29:41,519 --> 00:29:43,920
there are, so you were it was all.

476
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 2: It was all stupid, very stupid.

477
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,599
Speaker 1: I mean, yielding what a few hundred dollars or in

478
00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:49,119
the course of.

479
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,759
Speaker 2: This all very stupid. The smart thing to do would

480
00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:54,640
be to take people in parking lots.

481
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:59,279
Speaker 1: Okay, what about getting a job and earning some money?

482
00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:00,839
Take anybody.

483
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:08,839
Speaker 2: I'm sixty one years old, I'm sick with MS, I'm

484
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,079
burned out, I have no resume. I'm going to walk

485
00:30:12,119 --> 00:30:16,920
into a phone room looking for a job as a telemarketer.

486
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: Better than going out there killing innocent people, right.

487
00:30:20,519 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: Well, robbing a bait was better than that. No, no,

488
00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:29,640
there was no practical way of working.

489
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: Hilton then drove John Bryant deep into yet another national park,

490
00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:38,400
the Nanta Howand National Forest, to end his life.

491
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,359
Speaker 2: I wanted to give him a little further away because

492
00:30:43,359 --> 00:30:47,359
there were some houses within earshot. But John tried to

493
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:52,559
run from me, and he fell down an embankment and

494
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,839
he caught his arm between two trees and broke and

495
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,799
broke right here. So I tried to get him up,

496
00:31:01,839 --> 00:31:06,160
and he couldn't get up like that, So you know,

497
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,480
I had to pistol in my pocket. I just wow

498
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,960
shot him in the side of the head, through and through.

499
00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: Shot. John and Irene Bryant left four children and eleven

500
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,119
grandchildren behind. For the next few weeks, Hilton was in

501
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:27,279
between murders what criminologists called the serial killers cooling off period.

502
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,240
Can you explain to me what happens in your mind

503
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,559
in that cooling off period.

504
00:31:34,319 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: I'm putting the Beacher out of my mind. I had

505
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,599
Beacher fork shortening. I just get up every day and

506
00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:45,920
go hiking. You're not thinking about it at all. Trying

507
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:46,200
not to.

508
00:31:46,759 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: Is the appetite for it rebuilding over the course of

509
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:52,680
weeks in between?

510
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,079
Speaker 2: There was never an appetite for it. Well, how can

511
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:01,160
that be, because I told you as I started this,

512
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,519
I said, now, well why didn't you stop? Then?

513
00:32:03,559 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: As soon as he started.

514
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:07,119
Speaker 2: It, Well, I didn't see any alternative.

515
00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: What do you mean?

516
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,079
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. And if that sounds illogical, well

517
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:13,920
that was my state of mind.

518
00:32:14,079 --> 00:32:18,039
Speaker 1: Your mindset was that you couldn't see a way forward

519
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:25,160
without continuing to kill. Yes, just weeks after murdering the

520
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,920
Bryans in North Carolina, Hilton was yet again broke and

521
00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:32,559
out for blood. He had made his way to Florida's

522
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:37,319
Apalachrical and National Forest, a thousand square miles of dense woods,

523
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,359
and set his sights on a nurse and Sunday school

524
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,240
teacher named Eryl Dunlin.

525
00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:44,319
Speaker 2: She was walking on the trail.

526
00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:48,559
Speaker 1: She was walking. Now, you've never publicly told exactly what

527
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:49,599
happened there, right.

528
00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: No, I haven't, and that case currently is under appeal.

529
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,400
As a matter of fact, it hasn't been finally jdicated.

530
00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:02,960
But hey, I'm going to give you a newscoop.

531
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: This is Gary Hilton at an ATM machine in Tallahassee, Florida,

532
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:18,440
in December two thousand and seven. His face is disguised

533
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,759
to hide his identity. He's robbing his latest victim, but

534
00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:26,200
that is the least of his sins. You have the

535
00:33:26,279 --> 00:33:29,920
power to haunt our dreams, yes, turn them into nightmares,

536
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,160
to worry about our daughters, to worry about our mothers,

537
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,519
to worry about ourselves. Do you enjoy having that kind

538
00:33:36,519 --> 00:33:37,680
of power over us?

539
00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:40,279
Speaker 2: You know, in a perverse kind of way. I did

540
00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:44,200
the woman I killed in Tallahassee that I have my

541
00:33:44,279 --> 00:33:48,759
current destin at ur She was a devout Christian and.

542
00:33:50,079 --> 00:33:55,759
Speaker 1: A real wheel in the church. Cheryl Dunlop. Yes, Now,

543
00:33:55,799 --> 00:33:59,400
you've never publicly told exactly what happened there, right, No,

544
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:05,119
what happened, and that case currently is under appeal.

545
00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:09,039
Speaker 2: Right as a matter of fact, it hasn't been finally adjudicated.

546
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,599
But hey, I'm going to give you a news scoop.

547
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,840
I did it, So there you have it.

548
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 3: You did it.

549
00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm confessing to a murder on camera that I've

550
00:34:24,519 --> 00:34:28,559
never had before. You murdered, So I'm giving you something, David,

551
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,480
You murdered, Cheryl Dunlap Yes, I did I did it,

552
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,360
and I'll be glad to tell anyone I did.

553
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,519
Speaker 1: After committing a double murder in North Carolina in the

554
00:34:41,559 --> 00:34:44,880
fall of two thousand and seven, Hilton fled one massive

555
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,920
crime scene for another. Arriving in Florida's Apalachicola National Forest.

556
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:55,960
Yet again, Hilton found himself broke, hungry, and hunting for

557
00:34:56,039 --> 00:34:59,159
a human target. He was living out of his van

558
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:03,719
and living out a fiendish killing spree. Where did you

559
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:04,440
first spot her?

560
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 2: In the Leon Sinks Recreation Area on the trail?

561
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: Did you follow her?

562
00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:18,199
Speaker 2: I'd staked out on the trail and I had binoculars.

563
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,239
I was covered with a mosquitaet I see for camouflage.

564
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:29,559
Speaker 1: Now, this is part of the Appalachicola National Forest, another enormous,

565
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,199
enormous stretch of a thousand square miles.

566
00:35:32,599 --> 00:35:36,679
Speaker 2: It's about forty forty miles. I finally had to get

567
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:44,159
somebody because I had a little bit of peanut butter,

568
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:50,760
some prude ju ju one riddled in a few spoons

569
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,719
of coffee, and I had to take some money.

570
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: When Ryl Dunlap was intending to her patients as a nurse,

571
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,079
she was teaching Sunday school, but on this day she

572
00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:08,679
was simply enjoying a walk in the Pristine National Forest,

573
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,199
held him kidnapped and held Cheryl Dunlap captive, just as

574
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,320
he had done two other victims, keeping her for days

575
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,360
bound by chains to trees and inside his van. After

576
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,639
using her ATM card to steal her money, he decided

577
00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:27,119
to end her life, but first he would toy with her.

578
00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:30,159
Speaker 2: I put all her stuff together, that I'd taken her

579
00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:34,039
car keys and her cell phone and everything, and said,

580
00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:37,159
I'm gonna let you go, but I burst, I'm going

581
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,079
to go into down and run your credit card, just

582
00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:44,280
to make sure it's good. Did she seem hopeful? Did

583
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,119
she believe you? I believe so?

584
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,039
Speaker 1: Okay, tell me how did Cheryl die?

585
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 2: I said, come on, let's go. I'm want to train

586
00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:56,239
you to a tree. And I have a chain at

587
00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:01,119
a lock, and she grabs it and goes right down

588
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,360
and to put it on herself. She was already used

589
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,039
to is real, and I kind of had a feeling

590
00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:10,639
that she was going to try to not click that lock,

591
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,920
you know what I mean, just pretend it was locked.

592
00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:17,280
And as soon as she was down there and with

593
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,559
her back to me, I had my pistol in a

594
00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:25,280
bandic pact there a little twenty two, and I pulled

595
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:26,360
it out and shot her.

596
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:26,559
Speaker 9: In the.

597
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: Hilton, then dismembered her head and hands and burned her body.

598
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 2: Cheryl Dunlap, she was all religion, and it gave me

599
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,039
a kind of a perverse amusement to thing. I just

600
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:56,079
terrorized an entire church. Okay, I just have affected their

601
00:37:56,159 --> 00:37:59,239
life for the rest of their life. They'll never forget it.

602
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,119
And all those world kids that she taught Sunday school

603
00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:07,000
tea to find out that she was killed and her

604
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:10,599
head was cut off and her hands were cut off.

605
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:15,039
It you know, it could hot them and.

606
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,199
Speaker 1: Well it will scar them for the rest of their lives. Yes, right,

607
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,199
you enjoy that amuse yourself.

608
00:38:20,199 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: Oh, it's just I have to admit, Yeah, I kind

609
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,760
of like ha ha ha ha. You know, but she

610
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,880
said something that really grabbed me, kind of rattled me.

611
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:33,519
What's she say?

612
00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 11: Cheryl was sitting here and the girls that we mentored

613
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,239
together were running through the room and they were smiling

614
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,960
and laughing, and Cheryl had the biggest smile on her face.

615
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 5: She was so proud of them, and she loved them

616
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:56,840
so much.

617
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:01,519
Speaker 11: She had her scrubs on I'll love that picture because

618
00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:02,679
she just it was Cheryl.

619
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: Cheryl Dunlap had lived a life of service.

620
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 11: There's probably not a day that goes by that I

621
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,440
don't think about her, because she was really we were like,

622
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:13,239
you know.

623
00:39:13,519 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 5: In each other's lives, you know, in a deep way.

624
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,039
Speaker 1: When she wasn't treating patients in her nursing job, she

625
00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:21,480
was teaching Sunday school.

626
00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 9: The thing that I miss most about Cheryl is her

627
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,519
ability to listen. We spoke every day on the phone.

628
00:39:32,199 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: Cindy Wector and Laura Mayo, where Cheryl Dunlap's best friends.

629
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,599
Speaker 11: I miss the thought that she was always praying for me,

630
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,760
and I knew that no matter what was going on

631
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,679
in my life, wherever she was and wherever I was,

632
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,639
and even if we didn't talk, if something was going

633
00:39:48,639 --> 00:39:51,039
wrong in my life, she would know about it and

634
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:52,320
she would be praying for me.

635
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,039
Speaker 1: On December first, two thousand and seven, she disappeared.

636
00:39:58,639 --> 00:40:01,119
Speaker 9: So I got a call and was told that she

637
00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:03,559
didn't show up for Sunday school and asked if I

638
00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:06,280
had heard from her, and I said no. I said,

639
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,360
but that doesn't sound like Cheryl, And I said, this is.

640
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: Concerning Dunlap's disappearance matched Hilton's mo She was last seen

641
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:21,199
in the Apalachicola National Forest just outside Tallahassee, Florida. Withdrawals

642
00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:23,599
were made from her bank account by a man wearing

643
00:40:23,639 --> 00:40:27,199
a makeshift mask of tape, and then two weeks later,

644
00:40:27,559 --> 00:40:30,400
her decapitated body was discovered by a hunter.

645
00:40:31,639 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 10: Authorities also believe Hilton may be connected to yet another

646
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,400
woman's disappearance in Florida.

647
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 5: From the first time I saw him, and from the

648
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:39,559
first time.

649
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,079
Speaker 11: I heard him speak, I knew that something was just

650
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,719
not right with him. I just felt this sense of

651
00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:48,000
darkness and avil.

652
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 9: The first time I heard the name Jerry Hilton was

653
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,320
as Cindy said, wow, it was like there was no soul,

654
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,920
but he was definitely an evil person.

655
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: Hilton had never before confessed to Cheryl Dunlap's murder. We

656
00:41:05,559 --> 00:41:09,320
played part of his confession for Cheryl's dear friends Cindy

657
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:15,559
Wector and Laura Mayo. How did Cheryl die gunshot head?

658
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,239
You were walking her behind her?

659
00:41:17,639 --> 00:41:21,199
Speaker 2: No, no, I said, I was letting her go.

660
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,199
Speaker 1: Oh that trick, Yeah, that trick.

661
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a trick you got.

662
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: Seventeen years later, Hilton still recalls her final words that

663
00:41:34,519 --> 00:41:36,639
shook the hardened killer to his core.

664
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:43,079
Speaker 2: But she said something that really what she said, she said,

665
00:41:44,119 --> 00:41:48,840
before you die, ask Jesus if we give you or

666
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:54,239
what you've died. And Jesus said, kind of rattle me.

667
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,119
Speaker 1: Did that make you think twice? We did that make

668
00:41:58,159 --> 00:42:00,000
her more huge? Why do you?

669
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 2: Oh? She was human, didn't matter, didn't matter.

670
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 9: What I thought about was God's grace was right there

671
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:15,679
with her even though she was facing death. You're telling

672
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:20,519
him to ask for forgiveness. I think that's so powerful.

673
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,000
She would start sentences off like if my life is

674
00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:28,760
to be prophetic, and she would say that in a

675
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:34,599
way that she knew certain things. And I don't think

676
00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:36,679
she knew all of this, but you know how there

677
00:42:36,679 --> 00:42:39,519
are times there are people that have a knowing. So

678
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,639
when I heard that, it just brought me a miss

679
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:44,519
joy and.

680
00:42:44,519 --> 00:42:46,679
Speaker 5: I was just so proud of my friend. I'm just

681
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,079
so proud of her.

682
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,559
Speaker 1: Back in two thousand and seven, there were few clues

683
00:42:54,599 --> 00:42:57,800
as to how Cheryl died, and Hilton might have gotten

684
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,199
away with it if he hadn't had the urge to

685
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:05,719
strike again just one month after killing Sheryl Dunlap Hilton

686
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,679
prowled another national forest out of money and out of

687
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,920
his mind. This time it was Georgia's Blood Mountain, where

688
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,679
another missing woman was fighting for dear life. Do you

689
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:18,239
hate women?

690
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 2: Yes and no?

691
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:26,039
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, But Hilton's final murder victim, Meredith Emerson, had

692
00:43:26,039 --> 00:43:29,079
a clever plan of her own that would lead to

693
00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:31,760
Hilton's capture and end the killing.

694
00:43:34,519 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 4: All right, I had this as a person of interest

695
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,239
in the missing woman case. Is at this chevron dass

696
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,719
vide she has her own stuff in the sulta for here.

697
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,840
I can go take him down if you want, say

698
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,559
right there the yeah.

699
00:43:51,719 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: Gary Michael Hilton is finally about to face justice. He

700
00:44:08,639 --> 00:44:13,360
lurked in the woods, preyed on hikers, and says he

701
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,280
became America's oldest serial killers.

702
00:44:17,039 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 2: I was always real good to my victim until you

703
00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:25,639
bludgeon them. They either shot them, they're bludge them. Once

704
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,519
you've taken someone, you're living to kill them? Are you

705
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:30,280
gonna get caught?

706
00:44:33,039 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: In two thousand and seven, Gary Michael Hilton, a deranged

707
00:44:36,559 --> 00:44:40,039
sixty one year old drifter, launched a killing spree in

708
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,960
national forests spanning three different states. John and Irene Bryan

709
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:49,280
had been slain in North Carolina, Sheryl Dunlap was murdered

710
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,599
in Florida, and on New Year's Day in two thousand

711
00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:56,679
and eight, a young woman named Meredith Emerson went missing

712
00:44:57,119 --> 00:44:58,599
on Georgia's Blood Mountain.

713
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:00,559
Speaker 2: You never intend to let her go.

714
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 3: Never.

715
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 2: Right Right now, Hilton's.

716
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: Talking for the first time ever about his murderous midlife crisis.

717
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,559
Speaker 2: I'm going to give you a news scoop.

718
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: I did it, making news with a murder confession.

719
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm confessing to a murder on camera that I've never.

720
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,599
Speaker 1: Had before and opening a window into the mind of

721
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:30,480
a madman. Outside of crime, your life is utterly.

722
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,679
Speaker 2: Unremarkable, a complete abject failure.

723
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:34,679
Speaker 1: Except killing.

724
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 2: Well, that was that started when I was sixty one?

725
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:40,519
Did it?

726
00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:42,079
Speaker 3: Really? Man?

727
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 2: I know, I knew that was coming. I set the record.

728
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:50,320
I'm the oldest serial killer in American history. Isn't that amazing?

729
00:46:46,199 --> 00:46:50,159
Speaker 1: On New Year's Day two thousand and eight, twenty four

730
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,599
year old Meredith Emerson went for a walk on a

731
00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:57,760
mountain park trail and cross paths with evil. You told

732
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,639
police that your m was to lurk and sometimes watch

733
00:47:01,679 --> 00:47:04,199
for the binoculars from a distance, just like a hunter

734
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,719
wood yep, and were you doing that on this day?

735
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 2: No, I was just coming down off the dreel and boom,

736
00:47:11,519 --> 00:47:12,159
there she was.

737
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 1: Meredith fiercely fought the attacker, but Hilton overpowered her and

738
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,719
chained her inside the white van he lived in, and

739
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,360
thus begins four days of living hell for Meredith Emerson.

740
00:47:25,159 --> 00:47:25,199
Speaker 9: No.

741
00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:30,679
Speaker 1: Yes. Sitting across from Hilton on Florida's death Row, I'm

742
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,159
staring at a real life paradox. He's happy to admit

743
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,679
to serial murder but protests being characterized as inhumane.

744
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 2: She had a good time. No she didn't, Yes, she did.

745
00:47:43,159 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 3: No, she didn't.

746
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 2: David, I was there.

747
00:47:45,639 --> 00:47:48,079
Speaker 1: I knew you were there, but you were in Gary

748
00:47:48,199 --> 00:47:52,039
Hilton world. In the real world, she was being tormented

749
00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:54,880
and tortured. She was not tormented and tortured.

750
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:02,079
Speaker 2: They fly and then, and a lot of it is

751
00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:02,679
because of me.

752
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: I really sure that is going to be okay.

753
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 2: But quick by, now, are you going to get her?

754
00:48:08,519 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: Seventeen years ago, when he was interrogated, Hilton told police

755
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,280
he had a magical ability to comfort and lull his

756
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,119
victims into submission, and he still stands by that claim.

757
00:48:20,039 --> 00:48:24,199
Speaker 2: All of my victims fought me initially, but I quickly

758
00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:28,599
gained control, and then they all became strangely submissive. That's

759
00:48:28,639 --> 00:48:31,320
because of my power. I could put them at ease.

760
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: She stuck in your van, chained to the chassis.

761
00:48:34,639 --> 00:48:36,079
Speaker 7: No, no, she was.

762
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,679
Speaker 2: She was unrestrained ninety percent of the time. Only during

763
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,920
transit was she restrained, had collar on her neck. I'm

764
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,480
telling you, wait, a relax in time. I gave her

765
00:48:48,519 --> 00:48:51,920
books to read. She would read them and everything. She

766
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,000
wouldn't need anything. I kept trying to No.

767
00:48:55,519 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: You're so delusional that you think she was having a

768
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:58,440
good time.

769
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 2: Oh well, she wasn't big torture.

770
00:49:02,119 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: You told police. She's she was not having a bad

771
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,800
time at all, enjoying herself. I could tell that well

772
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,159
in the sense she did.

773
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 7: He advice to people if there actor is to engage

774
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,960
your abductor and to make yourself a person to.

775
00:49:18,199 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 1: The Hilton offered police this advice for anyone being held captive.

776
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 7: Telling about your family, what your dreams and homes and

777
00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:28,440
plants and steams are.

778
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,159
Speaker 2: Because the inductor is psychopathic, he's looking at you in

779
00:49:33,079 --> 00:49:34,880
a way you want to make yourself again.

780
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 1: Turns out that's exactly what Meredith Emerson tried to do

781
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:42,800
in the clutches of the madman. But the cruel irony

782
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:46,440
is lost on Hilton. She would joke, this is her

783
00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:48,760
engaging you to try and save her life.

784
00:49:50,599 --> 00:49:54,679
Speaker 2: David. You you are talking through your ass.

785
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,679
Speaker 1: You might be you might be telling yourself that to

786
00:49:58,199 --> 00:50:01,960
make yourself appear lessie evil. But she was not having

787
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,239
a good time, mister Hilton.

788
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 2: No, I'm not less evil. I'm your worst nightmare. David.

789
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,559
Speaker 1: You're not trying to appear less evil.

790
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 3: No.

791
00:50:16,039 --> 00:50:21,639
Speaker 1: Here she is fighting for her life heroically, valiantly. That

792
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:26,360
meant nothing to you in terms of empathy, mercy or decency.

793
00:50:26,519 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 13: Hit it.

794
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:29,119
Speaker 1: Not at that moment.

795
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,639
Speaker 2: I was always real good to my victims. I treated

796
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:33,119
them good.

797
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: Do you think so? I know I did until you

798
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:36,880
bludgeon them.

799
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,679
Speaker 2: Until they eat your shot them or bludgeon.

800
00:50:40,199 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you have zero point zero empathy. First chance

801
00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:46,199
you get your raper.

802
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 2: Yes.

803
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:57,199
Speaker 1: Paraphilia, that was yes. Paraphilia is a fixation on sexual sadism,

804
00:50:57,599 --> 00:51:01,519
a condition Hilton admits drove him to Meredith Emerson, and

805
00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:04,920
yet he denies both the brutality and the gratification of

806
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:05,360
the act.

807
00:51:06,159 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't enjoy it. I just did it

808
00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:10,639
because I planted.

809
00:51:11,519 --> 00:51:15,079
Speaker 1: Come on, no expect anyone to believe that. Yes, you

810
00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:18,599
also told the police that you didn't force her. Now

811
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:24,159
that seems ridiculous. You're enforcing, You're forcing this whole song.

812
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,639
Speaker 2: Made no mistake, But I didn't overphysically overpower her anything.

813
00:51:32,639 --> 00:51:33,840
No trace yet of.

814
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,119
Speaker 1: A missing twenty four year old Gwinnett County woman.

815
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 6: All day above Blood Mountain, the State Patrol's infrared detectors

816
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,559
scanned for body heat below, but.

817
00:51:43,679 --> 00:51:47,039
Speaker 1: There's still hope for Meredith Emerson. As news crews and

818
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,480
search teams descend on Blood Mountain.

819
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,559
Speaker 13: We heard that there was a missing hiker January second.

820
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,039
It was in an area within the jurisdiction of my unit.

821
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:02,159
Speaker 1: The detective John Cagel of Georgia Bureau of Investigation, but

822
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,760
forgot the call to find Meredith Emerson.

823
00:52:05,639 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 2: We learned that Meredith was a recent graduate of the

824
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:08,960
University of Georgia.

825
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 13: She was living in an area north of Metro Atlanta

826
00:52:14,119 --> 00:52:15,920
and had a job in marketing.

827
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,079
Speaker 1: She was an experienced hiker.

828
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,039
Speaker 13: She also had studied martial arts, so this is not

829
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,679
somebody who would have just gotten lost on the trail.

830
00:52:27,199 --> 00:52:31,480
We all became very concerned that this was something more

831
00:52:31,559 --> 00:52:37,039
than an overdue hiker. We had hundreds and hundreds of

832
00:52:37,199 --> 00:52:41,000
volunteers just show up to help look from Meredith. We

833
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:46,199
organized search teams to go on Blood Mountain and to

834
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,000
search not only the trail, but off the trails.

835
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 2: Searches on that was a shocker.

836
00:52:52,159 --> 00:52:55,199
Speaker 1: You told police you didn't like seeing that. You've ridiculed

837
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,800
the people who didn't know her but came out to help.

838
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 2: Anyway, I ridiculed the people, No, I did it. You

839
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,800
see the candlelight Marchis or Meredith Emerson and other people,

840
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,000
and people show up and they care, people that.

841
00:53:10,039 --> 00:53:11,079
Speaker 1: Don't even know the girl.

842
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 2: I mean, thirty five thousand people a year gets shredded, maimed,

843
00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:19,159
and beaten to death in car wrecks. Okay, I mean yeah,

844
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,639
what I'm talking about is a virtual greed.

845
00:53:22,039 --> 00:53:25,599
Speaker 1: An enormous crime scene. It's it's no wonder the police

846
00:53:25,639 --> 00:53:29,480
were stymied for so long. You watched this search unfold

847
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:34,639
right civilly, hundreds of searchers, helicopters, dogs, people walking the

848
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,719
grid out there in the middle of nowhere. Did you

849
00:53:37,199 --> 00:53:38,760
just watch all that play out.

850
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 2: And all now I didn't know anything about that.

851
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: You didn't know. Hilton didn't know it, but he had

852
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,239
just become the prime suspect and was about to become

853
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:49,920
the prey.

854
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 3: We began to.

855
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,039
Speaker 13: Interview people that had been on Betrayal New Year's Day

856
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,320
and had seen Meredith. They began to comment that they

857
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:06,519
had seen her talking with an older guy. The older

858
00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:10,760
guy was acting very strangely, So we began to put

859
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,559
out a description of this person that had been seen

860
00:54:14,639 --> 00:54:17,519
with Meredith, and we got a call to our tip

861
00:54:17,639 --> 00:54:21,360
line from someone who says, I think I know who

862
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:21,960
you're looking for.

863
00:54:22,599 --> 00:54:27,559
Speaker 1: His name is Gary Hilton. After stalking and killing unsuspecting

864
00:54:27,679 --> 00:54:30,679
hikers in two other states, Hilton is now the one

865
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:35,039
being hunted. The captive Meredith has a plan of her own.

866
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 2: They fight, and then they suit men and a.

867
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,559
Speaker 1: Surprise in store for the aging maniac. She kept on

868
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:47,199
fighting you, right with her brains, outsmarting you with the

869
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:47,960
bank cards.

870
00:54:48,159 --> 00:54:51,519
Speaker 2: She didn't now smart, got you running around you think,

871
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:52,440
so huh oh?

872
00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:57,159
Speaker 1: Absolutely did you not figure out what she was doing.

873
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:11,079
In the days after Meredith Emerson's disappearance on New Year's

874
00:55:11,159 --> 00:55:13,719
Day two thousand and eight, police are on the brink

875
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:18,639
of finding her and her captor Gary, Michael Hilton. She's

876
00:55:18,679 --> 00:55:22,239
an innocent stranger. So why Meredith Emerson.

877
00:55:23,039 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question. It's a good question. What's

878
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:34,960
the answer. It was just the mission, after.

879
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: God, the mission at the time, yep, the mission to.

880
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 2: What to till murder and take her ATM card and

881
00:55:48,039 --> 00:55:49,000
get the money out of it.

882
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,639
Speaker 1: But when Hilton demanded Meredith's ATM card, she repeatedly gave

883
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,880
him bad pin numbers, which he used at machines along

884
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,840
the escape route, leaving a trip of digital breadcrumbs for

885
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:03,760
Georgia Detective John Cagle.

886
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,760
Speaker 13: We found out that there in fact had been activity

887
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:11,519
throughout the week. The first night on January first, there

888
00:56:11,639 --> 00:56:15,920
was activity about at a bank about fifteen miles from

889
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:21,360
Blood Mountain, and then another attempt at a bank about

890
00:56:21,559 --> 00:56:24,480
forty miles south, and then the following day there was

891
00:56:24,519 --> 00:56:29,599
another attempt about seventy miles southwest of Blood Mountain. So

892
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,920
they're all over the place. She was doing that to

893
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,599
give us time to try to catch up.

894
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,639
Speaker 1: She kept on fighting you right with her brains, outsmarting

895
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:41,840
you with the bank cards.

896
00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 2: She didn't now smart, I knew what she was doing.

897
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,760
Speaker 1: How many times did she have you running to ATMs.

898
00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:52,280
Speaker 2: One of the several times five times.

899
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:56,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gave the police a virtual roadmap as you

900
00:56:56,679 --> 00:56:59,920
tried to use her ATM card. She knew this was

901
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:02,840
the way to hold the window open for a rescue

902
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:03,679
and to be tracked.

903
00:57:05,519 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 2: You think so, huh?

904
00:57:06,599 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 3: Oh?

905
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 2: Absolutely did you not figure out what she was doing?

906
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,079
I think she misjoculated.

907
00:57:14,159 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: Well, kept her alive for four days. You might have

908
00:57:16,519 --> 00:57:21,800
killed her that first day, Who knows. Thanks to Meredith,

909
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,880
police now have a bead on Hilton, but they know

910
00:57:25,039 --> 00:57:27,440
that time may be running out for her because the

911
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:29,320
killer could snap at any moment.

912
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 13: We were getting closer to Hilton, but we seem to

913
00:57:35,559 --> 00:57:39,239
be just a step behind. The longer these things go on,

914
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,000
the less likely there's a good outcome.

915
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: You told police there was never any plan to let

916
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,800
her go, right. I knew that if I let her go,

917
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,840
I'd be identifying. I knew she couldn't be let go.

918
00:57:53,599 --> 00:57:56,639
I knew she was doomed. Yep, I was as good

919
00:57:56,679 --> 00:57:59,639
as card if I let her go. On the last day,

920
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,320
you pull the cruelest trick of all on her. You

921
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:06,199
told her you were letting her go home. Oh cruel,

922
00:58:06,679 --> 00:58:11,920
very cruel, pure evil. No, what if I told her today.

923
00:58:11,599 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 2: I'm going to kill you, equally evil, equally equal.

924
00:58:16,639 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: Yes, you tie her to a tree, you bag up

925
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:23,239
all her stuff, and now it's the iron bar, right, Yes,

926
00:58:23,679 --> 00:58:26,840
solid iron bar. Struck her with that, Yes, she said no,

927
00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:31,920
let me go. Yes, you remember that? Put her hands up. Yeah,

928
00:58:32,239 --> 00:58:35,880
you keep striking her. You'll see some defensive wounds to

929
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:41,239
her hands. Oh god, Yes, beat her into unconsciousness. And

930
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,400
you say I kept striking her to ensure she was dead.

931
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:46,039
Speaker 2: Yep?

932
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: Feeling anything at this point?

933
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 2: Or yes?

934
00:58:49,159 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: What are you feeling?

935
00:58:50,039 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 2: Blobing's terrible. Beating someone to death is number one. Is

936
00:58:59,039 --> 00:59:01,239
a hard way to eye and it's a hard way

937
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,079
to kill anyone. Oh, I wouldn't have done it if

938
00:59:04,119 --> 00:59:05,320
I had my guns with me.

939
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:12,199
Speaker 1: Did you ever consider not killing her? No, not taking her? No,

940
00:59:13,719 --> 00:59:17,119
you didn't have to kill her, Yes I did. If

941
00:59:17,159 --> 00:59:19,440
you didn't kill her, you wouldn't have to cut her up? Right,

942
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If I didn't kill her out of being caught.

943
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 2: And then.

944
00:59:24,679 --> 00:59:27,599
Speaker 1: You decapitate her with what you described as a standard

945
00:59:27,719 --> 00:59:31,360
serrated Regen knife bread knife? Why did you do that?

946
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 2: Because her hair is full of forensic cabinets, including dog hare.

947
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,639
Her hair is full of dandy's hair and they get

948
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:44,199
DNA off dog airs.

949
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: You say you did that for forensic reasons, right, Yes,

950
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:51,440
it's like a lot more common variety paraphilia, because now

951
00:59:52,239 --> 00:59:56,440
the filing of corpse is a telltale sign of paraphilia.

952
00:59:56,719 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 9: No.

953
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:01,079
Speaker 2: No, you're barking up the wrong tree. Yeah, sure, positive.

954
01:00:01,679 --> 01:00:05,320
It was dreadful. I'd already told you. I couldn't even

955
01:00:05,519 --> 01:00:07,559
look the fact.

956
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 13: That he had decapitated her. I asked him why what

957
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,800
was that about? And he said that he had done

958
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:20,480
that for forensic purposes. And uh, if anybody who's ever

959
01:00:20,519 --> 01:00:24,519
met Gary Hilton, uh, he did that because he liked it.

960
01:00:26,679 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: Finally, police use Meredith atm smoke signal to hone in

961
01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:32,559
on Hilton and spread the word.

962
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 2: Ska that one. What's the exactly, pay? I have this?

963
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,519
Speaker 4: The person of interest in that missing woman case is

964
01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:44,000
that this chevron gas that the van is here. The

965
01:00:44,159 --> 01:00:46,239
dog has hit the red dog and I saw hit

966
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,239
the man's space and I've been watching the news and

967
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,800
I knows him, I know it him. He's throwing something

968
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,639
the dulpster here. I can go take him down if

969
01:00:54,679 --> 01:00:55,920
you want, say.

970
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 2: Okay, do you a fuck?

971
01:00:57,960 --> 01:00:58,599
Speaker 4: He's finishing off.

972
01:00:58,679 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 3: You guys got a hurry.

973
01:01:01,039 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: Just hours after Hilton murdered Meredith, police tracked him down

974
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:13,360
outside a gas station here going to college. Yea brought

975
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,559
to heal by a young woman who outsmarted a serial

976
01:01:16,679 --> 01:01:20,599
killer and lost her life in the process of stopping him.

977
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 2: Meredith was not with him when he was arrested. We

978
01:01:24,599 --> 01:01:26,920
did not believe this was going to have a good outcome.

979
01:01:26,679 --> 01:01:31,239
Speaker 1: For meridianth Hilton's arrest made headlines as hikers across the

980
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,800
southeast could breathe a sigh of relief. Gary Michael Hilton,

981
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:35,880
of course it is this aspect.

982
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,679
Speaker 2: He is now a custody. Cops tracked this guy down

983
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,920
and captured him. Sixty one year old Gary Michael Hilton

984
01:01:42,039 --> 01:01:44,599
now sits in a county jail. Wasn't there than to

985
01:01:44,679 --> 01:01:45,280
ask you about that?

986
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,519
Speaker 7: You got to put something to keep her quiet, gags

987
01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:49,960
out of Baker, anything on dad?

988
01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:55,159
Speaker 2: She was she unconscious of that or never she hard did.

989
01:01:56,519 --> 01:01:59,199
Speaker 1: Prosecutors in Georgia cut a deal with Hilton for the

990
01:01:59,239 --> 01:02:02,679
sake of the victim's family. Tell police where he hid

991
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,880
Meredith's remains, and the state will take the death penalty

992
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:10,000
off the table. Cagel then set out to bring Meredith

993
01:02:10,079 --> 01:02:12,639
home from a remote location in the woods.

994
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 13: I found her clothes first, and I began to just

995
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:22,079
on my hands and knees, began to push back leaves

996
01:02:22,719 --> 01:02:27,199
and brush next to the tree, and I went probably

997
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:33,239
fifteen feet maybe twenty feet doing that until I was

998
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:37,079
able to uncover the leaves that exposed her her head.

999
01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:41,960
I had another agent with me, and I said, I

1000
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:45,800
told him to stay with Meredith, because we're not going

1001
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:46,239
to leave her.

1002
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 1: The Emersons were finally able to lay their beloved and

1003
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:52,199
brave daughter to rest.

1004
01:02:53,159 --> 01:02:56,639
Speaker 13: They had a memorial service from Meredith and Anthens, Georgia,

1005
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:59,960
and thousands of people came to day.

1006
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:00,599
Speaker 2: Didn't even know me.

1007
01:03:01,679 --> 01:03:06,039
Speaker 13: Her friends, her family were all alike. They were all

1008
01:03:06,199 --> 01:03:09,159
just good, solid people. So it was a tough time

1009
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,599
for the family and the friends and the hiking community.

1010
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,719
Speaker 1: But to authorities in Georgia, there were still unanswered questions.

1011
01:03:18,719 --> 01:03:22,159
Why did Gary Hilton kill these people and what set

1012
01:03:22,239 --> 01:03:22,599
him off?

1013
01:03:24,599 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 2: Listen, I know as well as anyone, I'm a crime expert,

1014
01:03:30,119 --> 01:03:33,679
and I know that serial killers never ever start when

1015
01:03:33,679 --> 01:03:37,239
they're sixty one years old, and they don't wake up

1016
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,679
and start killing people. It doesn't happen, So how do

1017
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:44,440
you account for that? Well, let me finish, It's never

1018
01:03:44,599 --> 01:03:48,480
happened in the past, and it's never going to happen again.

1019
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:52,679
I set the record for I'm the oldest serial killer

1020
01:03:54,000 --> 01:04:00,639
in American history, and I understand that the probability, you know,

1021
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:06,800
that I have been chilling people before it is perhaps

1022
01:04:07,239 --> 01:04:12,159
ninety percent, you know, so I can understand someone not

1023
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:16,320
believe in me, and trust me, nobody will believe me.

1024
01:04:17,039 --> 01:04:19,920
My best friend of ten years, of ten years, was

1025
01:04:20,039 --> 01:04:23,000
visiting me a couple of weeks ago. He still was

1026
01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:28,039
not sure. My legal team is still not sure.

1027
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: Do you maintain that contrary contrary to common sense and

1028
01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:35,199
logic and statistics only?

1029
01:04:35,679 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 2: Let me answer that with a saying that I've come

1030
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:42,119
up with you must always leave room for the exception.

1031
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:47,320
So you maintain you must always leave room for the coincidence.

1032
01:04:48,239 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 1: All these years later, Hilton remains perversely proud of his crimes.

1033
01:04:53,079 --> 01:04:56,519
But this deranged serial killer's reign of terror is over,

1034
01:04:57,159 --> 01:05:00,079
and now Gary Hilton is the one in chains and

1035
01:05:00,159 --> 01:05:02,239
about to finally face justice.

1036
01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 9: I believe he is nothing more than a bully and

1037
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,599
a weak minded power to praise on others.

1038
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:17,639
Speaker 3: Take this.

1039
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 1: In the nineteen ninety five b horror movie Deadly Run,

1040
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,880
a psychotic killer kidnaps women and releases them into a

1041
01:05:28,039 --> 01:05:35,400
mountain wilderness, only to stalk and hunt them down. Gary

1042
01:05:35,519 --> 01:05:39,199
Hilton is listed on the movie's IMDb page as an

1043
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:45,199
uncredited member of the crew. The film's producer Sam Rail

1044
01:05:45,639 --> 01:05:49,920
says Hilton even embellished the screenplay with detailed ways of

1045
01:05:50,079 --> 01:05:55,719
tormenting the female characters. Some scenes were filmed near Blood Mountain,

1046
01:05:56,039 --> 01:05:59,400
where Gary Hilton abducted twenty four year old Meredith Emerson

1047
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:04,960
in two thous eight. Back in ninety five, you help

1048
01:06:05,039 --> 01:06:08,679
make a movie called Deadly Run. Is that art imitating

1049
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:10,719
life or life imitating art?

1050
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:17,719
Speaker 2: It's neither. This is Sam Reel acquired this. Here's here's

1051
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:23,400
the genesis of that. Sam Reel acquired this property. In

1052
01:06:23,519 --> 01:06:24,679
other words, a screenplay.

1053
01:06:25,199 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 1: But he did work on the film, right, No, you

1054
01:06:28,039 --> 01:06:30,760
didn't help him with the film. No, that he credits

1055
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,679
with you with ideas like let's have the women fight back.

1056
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:40,119
Speaker 2: Yes, that that guy has caused me more mischief in

1057
01:06:40,159 --> 01:06:41,920
a word, not a chance.

1058
01:06:42,199 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: You say, none of that's true. No, okay, it's an

1059
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:50,400
eerie coincidence. That the plot of the movie revolves around

1060
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:55,320
hunting women down and killing them. It is the cabin

1061
01:06:55,559 --> 01:06:59,639
used to shoot a scene as Stone's throw from one

1062
01:06:59,679 --> 01:07:01,280
of your old crime scenes.

1063
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:02,599
Speaker 3: No it isn't.

1064
01:07:02,599 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 1: It's blood Mountain. No it's not a stone's throw twenty minutes,

1065
01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:09,199
twenty miles.

1066
01:07:10,079 --> 01:07:12,119
Speaker 2: Well, it's a long throw.

1067
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: It's surprising that Hilton would deny an association with the film.

1068
01:07:17,679 --> 01:07:20,440
In the aftermath of his arrest, he appeared to relish

1069
01:07:20,559 --> 01:07:21,480
any notoriety.

1070
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 2: I'm kind of like a Hollywood celebrity that's been banned.

1071
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 3: And now.

1072
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 1: You see what I mean.

1073
01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:32,199
Speaker 2: The more you limited, the bigger demand it may.

1074
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 1: You are infamous, Yes, sir, Collectors of murder memorabilia think

1075
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:39,320
you're a big celebrity.

1076
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm a hot commodity.

1077
01:07:42,639 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 1: You enjoy all that attention.

1078
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 2: It's better than being ignored.

1079
01:07:48,239 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: After Hilton cut a deal in Georgia to avoid the

1080
01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:53,800
death penalty there, police tried to get him to talk

1081
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:57,480
about his other crimes, the murders of John and Irene

1082
01:07:57,519 --> 01:08:01,280
Bryant in North Carolina and the king of Sheryl Dunlap

1083
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:05,840
in Florida, but instead he put on a dizzying display

1084
01:08:06,039 --> 01:08:06,840
of derangement.

1085
01:08:07,559 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 7: Let me bekay in warn a half bollion you son

1086
01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:11,920
is going to run out of nuclear pool if she

1087
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,320
will a little started collapsing on herself. Kind of like

1088
01:08:14,679 --> 01:08:17,600
the Lone Rangers, and the lone Ranger would come galloping

1089
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,239
into town. They would be all the smart towns people

1090
01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:22,520
right and here the lone Ranger would be wearing this

1091
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:27,319
night the skin kind out this but really elaborate two

1092
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:31,000
gun red mounted the silver with chrome pistol. I have

1093
01:08:31,079 --> 01:08:33,279
a ring against society, and I guess most people would

1094
01:08:33,319 --> 01:08:34,840
fit the bill as far as a lot them good.

1095
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:37,319
Speaker 2: One thing he had asked me what they'd.

1096
01:08:37,199 --> 01:08:40,640
Speaker 14: Like to get some months Hell, okay, uh it was

1097
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:42,800
dragonful And the only thing you can do is so

1098
01:08:43,039 --> 01:08:44,920
dractful that the only thing you can do is go

1099
01:08:45,079 --> 01:08:45,960
on autop I told you.

1100
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 3: It wasn't work.

1101
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 13: Hilton's no different than any other serial killer. They always

1102
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,840
think they're the most you know, important and the smartest

1103
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:56,039
person in the room. And Hilton's no exception. The only

1104
01:08:56,119 --> 01:08:58,439
time he's smarter than anybody is when he's alone in

1105
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,399
his cell. That's the time he's the smartest guy in

1106
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:01,800
the room.

1107
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:04,560
Speaker 1: Do you think you're smart?

1108
01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:07,359
Speaker 2: I am you do now.

1109
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 1: They say serial killers are the smartest of the killing group.

1110
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:14,760
They do, but I can't tell how smart you are. Cunning, sure,

1111
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:19,039
uneducated for the most part. Basing your crimes in such

1112
01:09:19,199 --> 01:09:22,399
sprawling settings seems clever, But you did a lot of

1113
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:28,079
stupid things along the way too, sure did. Hilton's many

1114
01:09:28,199 --> 01:09:31,199
missteps would come back to haunt him, this time in

1115
01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:34,840
a Florida courtroom where the death penalty was back on

1116
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:35,439
the table.

1117
01:09:36,079 --> 01:09:39,359
Speaker 14: And if they want to spend a million dollars the

1118
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:42,840
two million to kids death for me, and then another

1119
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:47,119
two million to get death and then another eight million

1120
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:50,359
to get in the death penalty.

1121
01:09:51,079 --> 01:09:55,079
Speaker 1: That's exactly what authorities did in Florida State Court for

1122
01:09:55,199 --> 01:09:58,439
the abduction and murder of beloved nurse Ryl Dunlap.

1123
01:09:59,399 --> 01:10:04,520
Speaker 2: Arry was not the ordinary killer. There were too many

1124
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:05,640
levels to him.

1125
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 1: Forensic psychiatrist doctor Abbe Strauss was one of the first

1126
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:14,680
to evaluate Gary Hilton's mind for the Florida court case.

1127
01:10:15,239 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 8: I was hired by the Office of the Public Defender

1128
01:10:18,159 --> 01:10:20,840
in two thousand and nine to see him to do

1129
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:23,960
a psychiatric evaluation, and I was trying to get a

1130
01:10:24,039 --> 01:10:25,720
sense of what happened.

1131
01:10:26,039 --> 01:10:29,239
Speaker 12: Why did you not kill anybody until you're sixty one

1132
01:10:29,319 --> 01:10:29,720
years old.

1133
01:10:30,359 --> 01:10:34,159
Speaker 1: Hilton greeted Dr Strauss with his characteristic grandiosity.

1134
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,520
Speaker 12: I said, mister Hilton, glad to meet you, and he said,

1135
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:39,119
doctor Strauss, Oh, yes.

1136
01:10:39,039 --> 01:10:41,119
Speaker 2: I knew you were coming. By the way, did you

1137
01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:42,399
read the New York Times today?

1138
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 12: I am there to talk to him about the charges

1139
01:10:46,119 --> 01:10:50,479
of murder against him, and it seemed almost like it.

1140
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:52,119
Speaker 2: Was a deflection of some sort.

1141
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:58,039
Speaker 12: Gary had a script, obviously very bright, and he basically

1142
01:10:58,199 --> 01:11:01,800
tried to control the interview. At first, he said that

1143
01:11:02,399 --> 01:11:04,720
he was happy to be in jail. He took a

1144
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:06,680
lot of the pressures off. He didn't have to worry

1145
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:09,439
about anything, and he was going to retire in jail.

1146
01:11:10,199 --> 01:11:14,000
But when we started talking about his mother, things changed.

1147
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,239
He talked about how indeed he is a misogynous he

1148
01:11:17,279 --> 01:11:19,920
hates women, and his hatred was deep.

1149
01:11:21,279 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 2: Do you hate women? Yes?

1150
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:23,159
Speaker 13: And no?

1151
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, here's how you described women to police. You

1152
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:31,279
see part of my dislike or I wouldn't call it hatred,

1153
01:11:31,359 --> 01:11:33,800
but almost for women is that they have all the advantages.

1154
01:11:34,079 --> 01:11:37,039
Speaker 2: You don't be fooled by a woman's nurturing instinct. Look

1155
01:11:37,159 --> 01:11:41,039
at their free will, personalities and you're gonna find women who.

1156
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:47,560
Speaker 7: Are the most hateful, avaricious, a humulative, greedy, and heartness.

1157
01:11:48,239 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 2: Believe all that women have all the advantages. They're smarter,

1158
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:58,800
they're more intuitive, they're more patience, which is a very

1159
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:04,359
prime bird you it's very valuable virtue. They're more patient,

1160
01:12:06,279 --> 01:12:11,880
and they have all the tea. It's not there. It's

1161
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:12,479
not fair.

1162
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 1: Are those your reasons for hating It's just not there.

1163
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 2: I can't tell if you're joking or not.

1164
01:12:21,279 --> 01:12:21,319
Speaker 9: No.

1165
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:27,159
Speaker 1: Doctor Streuss has a theory about Hilton's hatred of women.

1166
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:31,319
Speaker 12: Apparently, his mother divorced his biological father when he was

1167
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:34,920
roughly five years old, and they got married to this

1168
01:12:35,239 --> 01:12:38,920
stepfather and it was not a good relationship. Gary said

1169
01:12:39,039 --> 01:12:42,920
that his mother would speak to him about the importance

1170
01:12:43,039 --> 01:12:48,119
of giving her new husband a good orgasm. How destructive

1171
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:51,720
to a kid who's trying to figure out life to

1172
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:55,840
have to live but he knows about his mother's orgasmic history.

1173
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:59,039
Speaker 1: Streuss testified at the Dunlap trial.

1174
01:12:59,239 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 2: State of Florida very security Michael Hilton.

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Speaker 1: And presented his findings as a mitigating factor during the

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sentencing phase.

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Speaker 2: A child can grow up with his emptiness inside of them.

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01:13:10,359 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 12: I got the feeling the jury thought I was getting

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them a bunch of psychological bs.

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Speaker 1: The evidence against Hilton was overwhelming. Your lawyers are presenting

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01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:24,680
mitigating factors which were underwhelming, and then the state plays

1182
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:30,279
videos of you post murders, happy go Lucky, basically celebrating.

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01:13:31,279 --> 01:13:34,600
At one point, you say in a sing song voice,

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01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:36,960
I had to kill those pitches.

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01:13:40,199 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 2: I deal them with it to them because of the mark. Yeah,

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01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:51,319
but first I gotta go hide his come more up. Yes,

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01:13:52,039 --> 01:13:55,640
you know that was funny because I funny.

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01:13:57,199 --> 01:13:58,319
Speaker 3: This was up to Ryl.

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01:13:59,199 --> 01:14:03,399
Speaker 2: This is empty. Yeah, it was funny because I wanted

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01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:10,800
to erase delete everything on the camera. This is a

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01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:15,840
digital camera, and I knew that you just can't hit

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01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:19,119
a delete. I don't remember saying that, but it sounds

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01:14:19,239 --> 01:14:20,319
like something I would say.

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01:14:20,359 --> 01:14:23,079
Speaker 1: It showed how devoid of remorse you were.

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01:14:26,079 --> 01:14:30,600
Speaker 2: Boy. Ye, you're on an attack. You've got me at

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01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:31,399
a loss for work.

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01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 3: Lay.

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Speaker 1: In twenty eleven, Hilton was convicted of first degree capital

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01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:39,399
murder in Florida, where.

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Speaker 2: He'll face the death penalty in the killing and decapitation

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01:14:42,279 --> 01:14:43,960
of this woman, Cheryl Dunlap.

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01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,279
Speaker 1: He also pled guilty to the murders of Irene and

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01:14:47,399 --> 01:14:51,319
John Bryant in North Carolina. Their family took to local

1204
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:54,319
media to express their outrage at the serial killer.

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01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,119
Speaker 2: He beat my mother to death, he shot my father

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01:14:57,279 --> 01:14:57,720
in the head.

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01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:01,600
Speaker 7: He murdered two people for no reason other than the

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01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:04,840
trophies of their clothes and the three hundred dollars he

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01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:05,920
got from their bank card.

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01:15:06,039 --> 01:15:09,039
Speaker 2: But Brian's children say they don't believe that Hillton is sorry.

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01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:12,520
Speaker 1: No empathy, no mercy, no decency.

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01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:16,560
Speaker 2: Well, I think let's not go that far. Although let

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01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:20,399
me tell you, Meredith is the one that really gets stingy.

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01:15:21,119 --> 01:15:25,560
She was twenty four years old. I stole over fifty

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01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:29,520
years of her life. She was such a great girl,

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01:15:30,359 --> 01:15:36,439
just graduated from a fine school Georgia, and I had

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01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:41,680
a bright future and I took it all from her.

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01:15:43,359 --> 01:15:44,319
It's terrible.

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01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 1: It was terrible, you said about Cheryl Dunlap. The community

1220
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:54,920
went absolutely nuts over this. Sure, she's a nurse and

1221
01:15:55,079 --> 01:15:58,520
she teaches Sunday school to fifth graders, But you'd think

1222
01:15:58,640 --> 01:15:59,840
I killed mother Teresa.

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01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:05,039
Speaker 2: Hey, look, it's just another murderer. So you know there's

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01:16:05,079 --> 01:16:06,119
a million murders.

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01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:10,159
Speaker 1: This is how you're discussing the murder victim you're waxed

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01:16:11,199 --> 01:16:15,800
poetic about Meredith and your regrets over her loss, and

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01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:20,119
here you're deriding Cheryl.

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01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:23,199
Speaker 2: It's just nothing.

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01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 3: What you.

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01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 2: I don't know? I answer that.

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01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:32,520
Speaker 1: Having terrorized and taken the lives of others, Hilton is

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01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:35,960
now about to reveal the one thing that terrifies him.

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01:16:37,039 --> 01:16:40,600
You said death is like a roaring fire. It can

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01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:43,800
induce a blind panic that will make you trample your

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01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:47,439
best friend to get away with it. Very true, and

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01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:51,520
Gary Michael Hilton is about to meet his fate. The

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01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:55,359
idea of your own death still frightens you. Yes, you're

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01:16:55,359 --> 01:16:56,760
seventy eight years old, now right?

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01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,119
Speaker 2: He can this short? I guess you could. You could

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01:16:59,159 --> 01:17:01,439
say that, man, it is against me.

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01:17:11,079 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 9: As far as Gary Hilton getting the death penalty, The

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01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:15,720
law is the law.

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01:17:17,199 --> 01:17:21,319
Speaker 1: Laura Mayo and Cindy Wector were Cheryl Dunlap's best friends.

1244
01:17:23,319 --> 01:17:26,960
Cheryl's life was mercilessly cut short by serial killer Gary

1245
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:29,399
Michael Hilton in two thousand and seven.

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01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:35,560
Speaker 9: I know that my faith dictates that I forgive, but

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01:17:36,279 --> 01:17:40,319
the fact that he got the death penalty is probably

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01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:44,640
fitting for someone like him. He cannot hurt anybody else,

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01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:49,520
and I hope that he can reconcile everything he's done

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01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:50,199
with God.

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01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 11: I also felt like he realizes that he's killed so

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01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:56,920
many people, but yet he.

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01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:59,359
Speaker 5: Realizes he's going to die. And so it did, like

1254
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:01,439
Laura said, it did feel like it was fitting.

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01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:03,640
Speaker 11: It was the law and the people who made the

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01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,279
judgments and everything decided that this was fitting.

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01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:11,279
Speaker 1: Back in two thousand and eight, Hilton taunted investigators and

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01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:14,079
dared the courts to charge him with capital murder.

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01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 2: I'll telling you right now, I'm going to dig my heelton.

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01:18:19,039 --> 01:18:22,039
Speaker 14: I didn't get around to executing the seventeen years from now,

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01:18:22,159 --> 01:18:26,039
when I'm seventy eight years old, I've decredited in anything.

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01:18:26,279 --> 01:18:30,399
Speaker 1: Hey, they can do it. But now, exactly seventeen years later,

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01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,840
I'm sitting across from a decrepit seventy eight year old

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01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:37,720
Gary Hilton, and today it is the death penalty that

1265
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:42,199
he fears most. You said something in the correspondence that

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01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:44,880
I thought it was a specially striker. I thought I'd

1267
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:48,720
start with this, he said, Confronting the reality of death. Yes,

1268
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:53,520
is of course much different from the abstract concept. Is

1269
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:57,479
death is like a roaring fire. It can induce a

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01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:00,800
blind panic that will make you trample your best friend

1271
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:01,840
to get away with it?

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01:19:02,239 --> 01:19:02,760
Speaker 2: Very true?

1273
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 1: Have you witnessed this intimately in the course of imposing

1274
01:19:07,119 --> 01:19:08,199
death on your victims?

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01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 3: No?

1276
01:19:09,319 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 2: Their death was to them completely unexpected.

1277
01:19:14,119 --> 01:19:16,640
Speaker 1: And yet what surprises me about that statement is that,

1278
01:19:17,119 --> 01:19:21,119
even after all the cruelty and killing you've done, the

1279
01:19:21,279 --> 01:19:24,079
idea of your own death still frightens you.

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01:19:24,399 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 2: Yes, and for that, I'm ashamed.

1281
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:30,319
Speaker 1: And I feel guilty because the way you struck down

1282
01:19:30,359 --> 01:19:33,279
those innocent people. Yeah, you think that life is cheap

1283
01:19:33,319 --> 01:19:35,520
to you, but that's right. Does that just apply to

1284
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:37,039
other people's lives, not your own?

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01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:40,159
Speaker 2: No, it applies to their lives to you, Does it

1286
01:19:40,199 --> 01:19:44,439
apply to yours? Yes? And when I say I want

1287
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:48,560
to live, well, they wanted to live too. I know

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01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:50,840
they did, and I know what I took from them.

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01:19:54,079 --> 01:19:57,319
Speaker 13: He wants people to remember how big a serial killer

1290
01:19:57,399 --> 01:20:01,199
he is when he dies, and we'll see what the

1291
01:20:01,239 --> 01:20:02,880
look on his face is when they bring him in

1292
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:03,760
to be executed.

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01:20:05,039 --> 01:20:09,079
Speaker 1: Detective John Cagele once helped bring Hilton in and now

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01:20:09,239 --> 01:20:11,119
helps one day to see him off.

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01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:14,119
Speaker 13: I look forward to being there for that.

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01:20:16,039 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 1: To stave off execution. Hilton has been appealing his death

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01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:24,319
sentence for years. His latest effort is now pending at

1298
01:20:24,359 --> 01:20:28,359
the US Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals. It's unclear how

1299
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:31,760
his stunning admission to the Dunlap murder earlier in our

1300
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:34,000
interview will impact his appeal.

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01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 2: I'm going to give you a news scoop.

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01:20:37,199 --> 01:20:37,680
Speaker 1: I did it.

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01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:42,600
Speaker 2: You did it. Yes, I'm confessing to a murder on

1304
01:20:43,279 --> 01:20:47,720
camera that I've never had before. You murdered. So I'm

1305
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:49,359
giving yourself a David.

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01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:50,880
Speaker 1: You murdered Cheryl Dunlap.

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01:20:51,399 --> 01:20:55,319
Speaker 2: Yes, I did. I did it, and I'll be glad

1308
01:20:55,399 --> 01:20:56,880
to tell anyone I did.

1309
01:20:57,399 --> 01:20:59,560
Speaker 1: Why do you wait so long to confess to this crime?

1310
01:21:00,079 --> 01:21:05,039
Speaker 2: You know you have lawyers and they pounded in you.

1311
01:21:07,399 --> 01:21:11,279
You know, not to say anything. But as I told

1312
01:21:11,319 --> 01:21:14,720
you before, I'm to the point where I don't care.

1313
01:21:15,079 --> 01:21:17,000
I don't care. There's nothing they can.

1314
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:17,319
Speaker 3: Do to me.

1315
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:21,640
Speaker 1: Hilton may finally be on the brink of his long

1316
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:26,640
overdue demise, But seventeen years on, will nature take him

1317
01:21:27,039 --> 01:21:29,720
before the State of Florida can put him to death?

1318
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:32,279
You're in poor health, you say.

1319
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,039
Speaker 2: Yes, very poor health, because I'm going to die soon.

1320
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:36,560
Speaker 1: Is that why you're here today?

1321
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, yeah, time is short, but hey, and then

1322
01:21:41,159 --> 01:21:46,880
there's the question of other victims. No prior murders, No

1323
01:21:47,159 --> 01:21:53,159
prior Belanese committed violent LaNese committed against persons.

1324
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 1: Of any type until you're sixty one years old.

1325
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:56,560
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable.

1326
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:58,039
Speaker 1: It's very hard to believe.

1327
01:21:58,560 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 2: Isn't that amazing.

1328
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:12,159
Speaker 1: It's hard to imagine that Gary Michael Hilton's compulsion to

1329
01:22:12,279 --> 01:22:16,800
kill started so late in life, and some in law

1330
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:21,239
enforcements suspect that Hilton could be behind similar unsolved murders.

1331
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:26,119
For former Georgia detective John Cagel, there's one outstanding case

1332
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:30,439
that hits close to home, the two thousand and four

1333
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:35,000
disappearance of Patrese Andras, a hairdresser from Coming, Georgia.

1334
01:22:35,359 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 13: Patrice had been abducted from her hair salon that she had.

1335
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:44,760
Speaker 1: In his lengthy interrogation with investigators, Hilton revealed that he

1336
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:47,880
liked to visit beauty salons to hustle money for a

1337
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:52,000
fake charity. That's when that shotguns trong Ay. They're working

1338
01:22:52,039 --> 01:22:53,039
on Saturday.

1339
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:54,319
Speaker 2: And that's primarily that's their day.

1340
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:56,239
Speaker 1: That's when the owner is going to be there.

1341
01:22:56,359 --> 01:22:59,640
Speaker 14: That's the busiest time of the wait on any beauty shop.

1342
01:23:00,079 --> 01:23:04,600
Speaker 2: An they did to give up good money, you know.

1343
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:09,399
Speaker 1: Patrice's remains were found near the same wooded area where

1344
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:11,479
Hilton hid Meredith Emerson's body.

1345
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 13: The remains of Patrice Andras were recovered three miles from

1346
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:21,960
the Dawson Forest Wildlife Management area. The loose connection to

1347
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:25,600
a beauty salon or a hair salon and then the

1348
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:30,680
proximity of the forest where her remains were recovered kind

1349
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:31,880
of reopened our thoughts.

1350
01:23:36,079 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 1: No prior murders, No prior.

1351
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:44,520
Speaker 2: Felonese committed violent Felanese committed against persons of.

1352
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:47,199
Speaker 1: Any type until you're sixty one years old.

1353
01:23:47,239 --> 01:23:48,279
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable.

1354
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:49,720
Speaker 1: It's very hard to believe.

1355
01:23:50,239 --> 01:23:56,399
Speaker 2: Isn't that amazing? When I started doing this, after having

1356
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:59,880
all these fantasies and everything, but so long, I found

1357
01:24:00,159 --> 01:24:04,479
that I didn't like it at all. It wasn't anything

1358
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:10,000
like the day dreams. The reality. No, and I dreaded

1359
01:24:10,039 --> 01:24:13,239
it and then putting it off and putting.

1360
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:16,720
Speaker 1: It off, procrastinating it because the impulse was in you.

1361
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:23,119
Speaker 2: No, I didn't. Once I actually did it, I see,

1362
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:24,680
once I actually did it.

1363
01:24:27,359 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 1: Hilton has come under suspicion in connection with several other

1364
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:33,880
missing persons in the years leading up to his killing. Spree,

1365
01:24:34,319 --> 01:24:41,520
including Judy Smith, Jason Knapp, Rosana Miliani, and Michael Scott Lewis,

1366
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:46,399
all vanished from national forests in the southeastern United States

1367
01:24:47,039 --> 01:24:51,600
Hilton's hunting grounds, but he has never been charged in

1368
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:54,319
connection with these or any other attacks.

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01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:59,199
Speaker 2: When I started out, if anyone saw me in the area,

1370
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:05,319
or even worse, with the victim, it was in aboard season. However,

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01:25:06,359 --> 01:25:09,640
by the end of the whole thing in my mind

1372
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:12,640
was just ragged, you know, disordered, and.

1373
01:25:13,039 --> 01:25:15,399
Speaker 1: As a result of these crimes or some kind of

1374
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:17,159
descent into madness.

1375
01:25:17,159 --> 01:25:19,600
Speaker 2: Not into madness, I was already mad.

1376
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:27,279
Speaker 1: Were you taking these chances to amuse yourself or increase

1377
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:29,000
the challenge involved?

1378
01:25:29,319 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 2: Now?

1379
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 1: Is there anything that could have happened to prevent you

1380
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:41,359
from murdering these people? Is there anything we at large

1381
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:45,880
could have done to stop this? How would you advise us?

1382
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:49,159
With respect to all the other Gary Hilton's out there?

1383
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 2: Couldn't help you on that? Yeah, thank you, madam.

1384
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:06,159
Speaker 1: And with that, Gary Hilton's first and likely last interview

1385
01:26:06,279 --> 01:26:09,439
comes to an end. If he has any secrets left,

1386
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:13,399
he may now take them to the grave, While the

1387
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:16,239
families and friends of his victims continue to pick up

1388
01:26:16,279 --> 01:26:19,520
the pieces of their lives from the carnage left in

1389
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:25,680
his wake. For Detective John Cagel, the Meredith Emerson case

1390
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:28,399
would finish a long career in law enforcement.

1391
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:31,279
Speaker 13: This was the last case I worked at GBA. I

1392
01:26:31,399 --> 01:26:37,159
retired in April to Tiles Night. There are people, even

1393
01:26:37,239 --> 01:26:40,760
to this day, seventeen years later, they remember this case

1394
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:43,840
and an are are steel struggling with it.

1395
01:26:45,319 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 1: As for Laura Mayo and Cindy Wector, the last thing

1396
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:50,960
they want to do is think about the man who

1397
01:26:51,079 --> 01:26:53,760
took their dear friend, Cheryl Dunlap's life.

1398
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:57,359
Speaker 9: When I think about Hieryl, I do think about her life.

1399
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:02,880
I'll think about just a something funny, and I would

1400
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:05,760
get in her car for lunch and her car would

1401
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:06,239
be a mess.

1402
01:27:07,199 --> 01:27:08,359
Speaker 5: I remember the good times.

1403
01:27:08,359 --> 01:27:11,000
Speaker 11: I remember us walking around the lake like Yellow Member

1404
01:27:11,039 --> 01:27:13,399
in Tallahassee, and then we would stop and pray and

1405
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:17,560
we would talk about things, and she was just always there.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 5: I want Cheryl to be defined by her life and

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not her death.