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Speaker 5: Co hosts once the Mic right away. My other co host,
Speaker 5: fire Fay, will be joining us soon. But my guest
Speaker 5: for today is miss Sharon Farber, and she has some
Speaker 5: interesting things things that I didn't even know was possible.
Speaker 5: So Sharon, thank you so much for coming on, and
Speaker 5: for those who may not be familiar with you yet,
Speaker 5: introduce yourself.
Speaker 6: Hi. I'm Sharon Farber. Thank you so much for inviting
Speaker 6: me pleasure to be here. I'm a medium. I'm an author,
Speaker 6: mentor teacher, and I guess what makes me unique amongst
Speaker 6: the thousands of other mediums is that I chose to
Speaker 6: become a medium about thirteen fourteen years ago and took classes,
Speaker 6: read books, and learned to become a medium. And my
Speaker 6: niche is teaching mediumship to people who are already mediums,
Speaker 6: helping them get better, but also beginners are kind of
Speaker 6: my specialty. And even people who didn't know that they
Speaker 6: could be mediums and they always thought I thought you
Speaker 6: had to be born that way, or I didn't think
Speaker 6: you could learn. It's those people I can hold their
Speaker 6: hand step by step, and I've got an amazing success
Speaker 6: rate of beginner mediums becoming mediums, taking a five hour
Speaker 6: online class and giving a validated reading by the end
Speaker 6: of the class.
Speaker 5: Wow, that's quick.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yep. And the people who take the class, they're
Speaker 6: small classes, they're limited to ten people. They often have fewer,
Speaker 6: and it's usually maybe seventy or eighty percent of people. Well,
Speaker 6: I've had these experiences. I've done this, but I don't
Speaker 6: know how to do it intentionally, I want to take
Speaker 6: it further. But then there's usually there's often one or
Speaker 6: two people who are I've never done it. I'm beginning.
Speaker 6: I'm really excited, and those are the ones where it's
Speaker 6: really exciting to watch them give their first reading.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so, I mean that's the that's the thing. My wife,
Speaker 5: who hopefully should be joining us shortly and otherwise I
Speaker 5: can definitely hold my own. But she is a medium
Speaker 5: as well. She is born with it. Although it is
Speaker 5: a gift that of course has developed over the years.
Speaker 5: She learned how to how to work with it because
Speaker 5: I know at first it was just, you know, everything
Speaker 5: coming in all at once, no filter whatsoever. And I know,
Speaker 5: of course in my circles people are more spiritually inclined,
Speaker 5: there are more people with certain gifts. But I never
Speaker 5: knew that mediumship was one that you could actually learn.
Speaker 5: Like my assumption was that, you know, you kind of
Speaker 5: have to be born with it or born with well
Speaker 5: with with the with the power to develop it later on,
Speaker 5: like like my wife did. So how did you find
Speaker 5: out that it's something that that can be taught? Like,
Speaker 5: was it just like, oh, this sounds interesting, I'm gonna
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Speaker 6: First of all, you're not wrong that it's something we
Speaker 6: are born with or we have. I just think that
Speaker 6: everybody has it, that everybody has an innate like unwrapped
Speaker 6: undiscovered ability that if they're drawn to it, they can
Speaker 6: choose to open, unwrap, and develop, So that part about
Speaker 6: having it kind of works. What happened was that at
Speaker 6: almost fifty somebody said, Hey, want to go to this
Speaker 6: medium ship demonstration at this house like the next town over.
Speaker 6: And I said, Shire, that sounds interesting. No burning desire
Speaker 6: to be a medium, nothing like that, I said, I
Speaker 6: do have thirty five years experience as a massage therapist
Speaker 6: and energy healer, a little overlap reiki, energy healing, little
Speaker 6: bit of spirit guides energy working and feeling things that
Speaker 6: aren't really there, so there's a little bit of overlap,
Speaker 6: but not connecting with people and spirit. So I went
Speaker 6: to this event and she connected with my close friend
Speaker 6: and my firstborn dog, and she gave brilliant readings to
Speaker 6: everybody else there, and I went, Wow, that's really cool.
Speaker 6: And I had a massage therapy center at the time
Speaker 6: with four rooms, including one big room, and I invited
Speaker 6: her to come. So for the next year, she came
Speaker 6: once a month and gave small group mediumship demonstrations at
Speaker 6: my office, like for up to eight people, and I
Speaker 6: got to be there get some of their readings, but
Speaker 6: mostly see how amazing and healing it was, and then
Speaker 6: she got too busy and couldn't work there, and I was, wow,
Speaker 6: I want to do that. So that inspired me. We
Speaker 6: need more mediums. I want to do that. And everybody said, oh,
Speaker 6: I don't think you can learn how to do it,
Speaker 6: and I said, we'll find out, and I read books,
Speaker 6: I took a three hour class, I took more classes,
Speaker 6: and then I got my very by practicing on a
Speaker 6: massage client. I said, I've been studying this, and she said,
Speaker 6: you can practice on me. And I connected with her
Speaker 6: dad and got four pieces of validated information, one of
Speaker 6: them like really strong, and I was literally jumping up
Speaker 6: and down, not figuratively, literally jumping up and down. And
Speaker 6: she thought I was crazy, not for being a medium
Speaker 6: talking to dead people, but for jumping up a dead gun.
Speaker 6: Then that gave me that, Oh my god, I can
Speaker 6: let's really do that. And the whole reason I wrote
Speaker 6: my book is because so many people think what you
Speaker 6: think or thought until we have this podcast today, I've
Speaker 6: heard hundreds of times from people say that I didn't
Speaker 6: think you could learn it. So the working title of
Speaker 6: the book that I wrote, the working title was how
Speaker 6: to Become a Medium When you're not born that way?
Speaker 6: Or are you? And it was shortened to choosing to
Speaker 6: be a medium, experience and share the healing wonder of
Speaker 6: spirit communication. Can I show them the cover?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Please do so?
Speaker 6: Wait there we go. Yeah, so there's my book. There's
Speaker 6: also a companion journal. So I wrote the book because
Speaker 6: it was really hard to develop as a medium with
Speaker 6: all these people saying you can't do it if you're
Speaker 6: not born that way. People who were a third generation
Speaker 6: medium are going to be better. People who aren't naturally
Speaker 6: inclined that way are never going to be really good.
Speaker 6: Just there was a lot of negative, negative pr about
Speaker 6: the idea that you can become a medium. So I said, well,
Speaker 6: I'll find out because I was really compelled to, step
Speaker 6: by step learned how to do it. And that's why
Speaker 6: I want to teach people that they can do it. Also,
Speaker 6: it's not something for just people with unique abilities up
Speaker 6: on a pedestal, not that everybody who has spontaneous natural
Speaker 6: abilities acts like they're that way. But I just want
Speaker 6: to make it accessible for people who want to and
Speaker 6: know that they can. And my feeling is that if
Speaker 6: I can do it, you can do it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's that's absolutely, absolutely valid, and it's interesting,
Speaker 5: like it's it's not something you would imagine would be
Speaker 5: be gate kept so heavily, you know, spiritual gatekeeping. I
Speaker 5: know it's it's a thing, unfortunately.
Speaker 4: But.
Speaker 5: I you know, I thought spirituality was about exploring and
Speaker 5: exploring your yourself and the outer world, you know, Asbose
Speaker 5: lows within, so without like, well that good stuff. Excuse me.
Speaker 6: I never heard that expression used in terms of what
Speaker 6: I'm saying about becoming a medium, But that makes total sense.
Speaker 6: And if you think of the people maybe previously now
Speaker 6: it's becoming almost mainstream, who were the big names making
Speaker 6: thousands of dollars. They don't want everybody to be able
Speaker 6: to do mediumship. They won't be unique and up on
Speaker 6: their pedestal, kind of like priests of old. I'm the
Speaker 6: only one that can talk, I will intercede, I can
Speaker 6: talk to God. They had control and power and didn't
Speaker 6: want everybody else to be able to talk directly to God.
Speaker 6: So a little bit like that maybe in the past.
Speaker 6: I'm thinking of one medium whose name I won't mention,
Speaker 6: who has a book, who talks about his unique abilities,
Speaker 6: and reading this book won't make you a medium. And
Speaker 6: this whole idea that he's unique and all that he's
Speaker 6: never been to Arthur Finley College in England, where you
Speaker 6: have one hundred mediums, teachers and students in a building
Speaker 6: for a week, all developing. It doesn't make you feel
Speaker 6: very unique.
Speaker 5: No, no, definitely not. But that's I guess to me
Speaker 5: at least, I'm friends with a lot of people Heathens,
Speaker 5: which is a couple of Shamans even or just people
Speaker 5: who are more virtually inclined, and everyone always says that
Speaker 5: it's not something that should be coming from ego if
Speaker 5: you're doing it because you know, you think it makes
Speaker 5: you so great and so unique and all of that.
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, it's good to have self confidence, it's
Speaker 5: good to have confidence in your abilities, and yeah, like
Speaker 5: you know, once, practice is not like the others. I mean,
Speaker 5: I'm friends with many other Germanic Heathens, but you know,
Speaker 5: we all practice in our own way. But that doesn't
Speaker 5: necessarily make my way or their way better. It makes
Speaker 5: it different, sure, but not necessarily better. I guess in
Speaker 5: a way, now that it has become more more mainstream
Speaker 5: or more mainstream, like more accepted in the mainstream, perhaps
Speaker 5: that people have these abilities I do imagine that some
Speaker 5: of the early ones, if you will, you know, who
Speaker 5: thought themselves masters. Yeah, I mean I can see the
Speaker 5: threat of like, oh no, there goes my livelihood. But
Speaker 5: at the same time, shouldn't you be happy that other
Speaker 5: people are like learning it as well? Because these are
Speaker 5: natural gifts. You know, there are multiple levels, multiple dimensions
Speaker 5: to this. You know, whatever it is that we live
Speaker 5: on or in, or you know, whether whatever shape or
Speaker 5: form it may have, there are different dimensions. So to
Speaker 5: be able to tap into those, and especially you know
Speaker 5: the other side, if you will, you know, the mysterious
Speaker 5: other sides. You know, nobody knows what happens after death,
Speaker 5: and that's why it's so scary. So if you can
Speaker 5: well at least like have a link to it, shouldn't
Speaker 5: that make things a whole lot easier. So what you're doing,
Speaker 5: I think it's great. Yeah, I mean, I'm amazed that
Speaker 5: it seems no, but it seems also that so many
Speaker 5: people at a a later stage in their lives are
Speaker 5: now doing it, because like that's that's also something that
Speaker 5: you hear so often, Like, you know, if you don't
Speaker 5: start young, then like by the time you're I don't know,
Speaker 5: thirty forty like it it's too late because it takes
Speaker 5: so many years to develop. And so what's like, what's
Speaker 5: your what's your take on this is? Like, should everyone
Speaker 5: try and develop these things?
Speaker 6: Or if some people have no interest, they don't care,
Speaker 6: they don't believe in it. It's not something we should
Speaker 6: try to force on people. Okay, let's let's put it
Speaker 6: in the in the public schools. It's not quite like that,
Speaker 6: but not the opposite extreme. I think most people aren't
Speaker 6: against it, they just don't know it's possible. And putting
Speaker 6: it out there for people who are interested, maybe people
Speaker 6: who go to mediums and spend a lot of money
Speaker 6: and are grieving people if they maybe take a class
Speaker 6: and realize that they can connect with people on the
Speaker 6: other side. Mediumship is all about healing and bringing love
Speaker 6: between the side and the other. So the more people
Speaker 6: who can experience it by receiving a reading, knowing that
Speaker 6: mediumship exists, and possibly developing it themselves, it brings healing
Speaker 6: to people. It helps relieve the fear of death because
Speaker 6: you know you're not really dead, there's an afterlife. It
Speaker 6: helps with grieving because you know that you learn that
Speaker 6: your spirit person spirit people are still alive and well
Speaker 6: and can be aware of your life and get your messages.
Speaker 6: So because it's so healing, I think that making it
Speaker 6: more accessible is a good thing for the planet for people,
Speaker 6: but not necessarily everybody. This is your next step. But
Speaker 6: I think it's kind of like learning an instrument. Some
Speaker 6: people like Mozart have this amazing they're writing symphonies, they're
Speaker 6: at age five. They just have this brilliant gift. And
Speaker 6: then you have people who don't, who decide to play
Speaker 6: the recorder or the trumpet in elementary school and they
Speaker 6: might sound terrible, but people don't say, well, if you're
Speaker 6: not born with this amazing musical talent, don't join the band,
Speaker 6: don't play the trombone. We don't do that. You have
Speaker 6: to be born that way. You just encourage them to
Speaker 6: make music. Some of them will continue, some of them won't.
Speaker 6: But with mediumship, with training, learning how it works, how
Speaker 6: it's done. It's not magic. It's more like science than magic. Really,
Speaker 6: step by step learning how to do it. It makes
Speaker 6: it accessible and it's still amazing and healing. And if
Speaker 6: somebody is like, oh my god, this is my life's calling.
Speaker 6: Even if I don't find out until I'm almost fift
Speaker 6: and you still go for it. It's not I don't
Speaker 6: believe that if you don't spontaneously see dead people when
Speaker 6: you're a kid, or after a near death experience or
Speaker 6: anything like that, you can't become a successful, accurate, compassionate,
Speaker 6: helpful medium.
Speaker 5: So do you believe that kids, or most kids, I
Speaker 5: should say not all of them, of course, have this
Speaker 5: this this greater ability at least to see things, to
Speaker 5: connect with things, because that's something I hear a lot
Speaker 5: in it. I actually talked about with my wife. I believe, no,
Speaker 5: with a good friend of ours. Actually, I believe, like
Speaker 5: just yesterday, that all these different kinds of behaviors, like
Speaker 5: self sabotaging behaviors, that they are that they're taught. I mean,
Speaker 5: I know that my kids, I mean they're you know,
Speaker 5: they're lucky with their their parents having a well being
Speaker 5: spiritually gifted, but they can definitely see things and notice
Speaker 5: things that well that I can't anymore. So do you
Speaker 5: believe that children like they have this innate ability or
Speaker 5: is that also something that is, you know, that could
Speaker 5: be developed over time.
Speaker 6: I agree that many or most many children have innate
Speaker 6: ability to see spirit and be psychically perspective, and then
Speaker 6: as they're learned to be logical and rational, and that's
Speaker 6: not and some of it's shut down by parents, Oh
Speaker 6: we don't do that, we don't do that, and then
Speaker 6: you lose it. My kids didn't see spirit people, but
Speaker 6: I do remember them being a bit psychically perspective. I
Speaker 6: didn't tell him that things would happen. I remember some
Speaker 6: specific things about that. But they weren't seeing spirit people.
Speaker 6: But other people children are and the old what do
Speaker 6: they call them, imaginary friends? Some of those aren't imaginary,
Speaker 6: they're spirit people, but not everybody. Some people's kids don't
Speaker 6: have that. But I believe we're more open. We just
Speaker 6: came more recently from spirit, so we're more connected to
Speaker 6: the spiritual aspect of ourselves. And before you get your
Speaker 6: head filled with numbers and letters and logic, it's probably
Speaker 6: a lot easier.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it's yeah, no, I definitely agree with with that.
Speaker 5: I mean, I know that with well with my parents' generation.
Speaker 5: My parents were both raised Catholic but fell off the
Speaker 5: faith unfortunately also because well they started may sound a
Speaker 5: little little cheesy, but they started thinking for themselves and
Speaker 5: then saw things that didn't like really add up, but
Speaker 5: I do believe that there's still something left in them,
Speaker 5: especially with my father. He says he's not religious, but
Speaker 5: I don't know. Like he does go you know, things
Speaker 5: are too much, he'll go on a silent retreat to
Speaker 5: a monastery. So that's and he will talk to whatever
Speaker 5: he thinks is out there. And especially with the passing
Speaker 5: of my my younger brother a few years ago, didn't
Speaker 5: manage to fight off his own demons, so to speak,
Speaker 5: so he stepped out prettymaturely.
Speaker 6: My goodness, I'm so sorry. Does your wife hear from him?
Speaker 5: She does, actually she does, and it's it's a little weird,
Speaker 5: but she is able to, uh to channel him as well,
Speaker 5: so that in a way I can still talk to
Speaker 5: my brother but through my wife, which feels very very
Speaker 5: odd in a way, and I don't think it's something
Speaker 5: that I'll ever really get get used to, but it does.
Speaker 5: It does make me wish that my parents could too,
Speaker 5: But like that's the difficulty. They don't they don't believe
Speaker 5: in it.
Speaker 6: You know, you could learn to do this. You could
Speaker 6: come take one of my five hour online classes free
Speaker 6: complimentary hop in and discover for yourself if you're interested.
Speaker 6: If you're like I would be open to doing that.
Speaker 6: You could come and do that and you would see
Speaker 6: how I teach people, and you would be taught also,
Speaker 6: and there's a really good chance you would connect with
Speaker 6: a spirit person for someone else in the class.
Speaker 5: I would, actually I would. I would quite like that.
Speaker 6: Although you don't have to decide now you can. I
Speaker 6: think about that.
Speaker 5: I'll discuss it with my uh my wife as well.
Speaker 5: I mean, two mediums in the same household, maybe a
Speaker 5: bit much.
Speaker 6: It would be fine. It doesn't mean you're going to
Speaker 6: become a professional and hang up a shingle and compete.
Speaker 6: It would just be opening up so that you could
Speaker 6: see what it's like and have a direct connection to
Speaker 6: some people in spirit.
Speaker 5: So if you want, I will. I'll think about it.
Speaker 5: Thank you for the thank you for the offer. But
Speaker 5: I mean I do have a question. That is, I
Speaker 5: know you know many people. It seems like more and
Speaker 5: more people do get diagnosed with things like ADHD and
Speaker 5: autism and that they have a that they have trouble
Speaker 5: with sensory overload. As a starting medium, how do you
Speaker 5: put up those those boundaries Because I know that my wife,
Speaker 5: who unfortunately is preoccupied by family of course, that sometimes
Speaker 5: everyone is just wanting to talk to her at the
Speaker 5: same time, and she gets this just huge sensory overload
Speaker 5: by people who aren't here and that only she can hear.
Speaker 5: So how do you put up those boundaries? Because I
Speaker 5: know that will be beneficial for myself as well. I
Speaker 5: get a chaotic mind.
Speaker 6: I have excellent boundaries. So personally, I connect with spirit
Speaker 6: people when I want to. When I'm giving a reading,
Speaker 6: doing a demonstration, teaching a class, a circle, and I
Speaker 6: use my intention to connect with spirit people, connect with them.
Speaker 6: When I'm done, I don't, so I don't personally have
Speaker 6: that feeling of being bombarded by spirit people. However, I've
Speaker 6: had hundreds of students who are. And what you do
Speaker 6: is need to create and maintain strong boundaries, and you
Speaker 6: can start by doing that with embodied people. The people.
Speaker 6: I don't know your wife and she's not here, But
Speaker 6: generally the people who have a challenging time with spirit
Speaker 6: people in their face in the supermarket wherever, Hey, will
Speaker 6: you do this are the same and generally the same
Speaker 6: people who have trouble with boundaries with embodied people like
Speaker 6: friends or family who suck their energy help me do this,
Speaker 6: Will you do that? Will you do that? And you
Speaker 6: have trouble saying no. You might have an hour of
Speaker 6: your time you were gonna take for yourself, but somebody's like,
Speaker 6: I need you. Will you listen to me wine for
Speaker 6: the next hour instead, and they say yes. So there
Speaker 6: is I have found a correlation between letting embody people
Speaker 6: and take too much of your energy that's not in
Speaker 6: the healthiest way. Yes, we want to be empathic, compassionate,
Speaker 6: supportive people, so I'm not saying it's all about me
Speaker 6: and don't bother me, but sometimes it's not healthy. So
Speaker 6: there's the correlation between boundaries. So you start off if
Speaker 6: that's true for somebody. Usually when I ask people to say,
Speaker 6: well I'm better than I was that we'll talk about
Speaker 6: how they've improved. So you start saying no to embodied people, No, sorry, can't.
Speaker 6: I'm busy, even if busy means you're going to take
Speaker 6: care of yourself, so you say no. And then it's
Speaker 6: exactly the same with spirit people. You decide when you
Speaker 6: want to connect to spirit people when you're open, and
Speaker 6: if you're not, you say no in your mind with
Speaker 6: your intention. You can ask your spirit team for help.
Speaker 5: Hey, that's wife of joining.
Speaker 6: So finish the You set the boundaries and you decide
Speaker 6: when you're open or not. And if this is your
Speaker 6: private time with somebody or you meditating and somebody like
Speaker 6: spirits there, it's like no and you have to mean it.
Speaker 6: A lot of people are afraid to say no because
Speaker 6: they think if they say no to a connection from
Speaker 6: a spirit person that means that they'll lose the ability
Speaker 6: and they'll never be able to connect with anybody again.
Speaker 6: Or people think that they're obligated to if a spirit
Speaker 6: comes through and wants them to connect with them, they're
Speaker 6: somehow because they can, they're obligated to do this. So
Speaker 6: people mediums are never obligated to connect with spirit people.
Speaker 6: So the quick answer, even though it already hasn't been quick,
Speaker 6: is you learn to say no, and you use your
Speaker 6: intention strengthen your boundaries, and then you choose when to
Speaker 6: connect with people in the spirit world and it's a
Speaker 6: matter of saying no. One more quick analogy. Most of
Speaker 6: us don't let strangers walk into our house at any time.
Speaker 6: Most people, if you're driving a car and you stop
Speaker 6: at a red light, you're not going to let a
Speaker 6: strange person open the door and climb into your car.
Speaker 6: So don't do that energetically with spirit people. Don't let
Speaker 6: people that aren't your close loved ones your spirit guides
Speaker 6: people you have like the people your best friend, your mom,
Speaker 6: where you give them a key to your house. You're
Speaker 6: welcome to come in any time, so you can let
Speaker 6: it be so that let it be that your loved
Speaker 6: ones are welcome anytime. I just put it out there.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying that it's easy, and it might take
Speaker 6: step by step, but people don't even know that they
Speaker 6: can say no and be control and control of their ability,
Speaker 6: their control when they want to connect with spirit people.
Speaker 6: Does that answer the question?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah it does.
Speaker 4: Sorry, I'm just I'm dealing with im brother right now. Sorry,
Speaker 4: I need to be myself because he's laughing.
Speaker 5: No, it's fine. We were actually, well you haven't seen
Speaker 5: or heard this yet, of course, but we were actually
Speaker 5: just talking about that how Dow will come through to you.
Speaker 4: Yes, he definitely comes through. And it's like there was
Speaker 4: the other day he came in and I was doing
Speaker 4: my makeup and he came in like a wrecking ball
Speaker 4: and I didn't even get a chance to say no.
Speaker 6: Well then cut off and say no.
Speaker 4: It is so hard off and say no.
Speaker 6: If he was an embodied person and a living obnoxious no,
Speaker 6: I'm not saying obnous. If he's somebody who's not being respectable,
Speaker 6: respectful of what you're doing, and barging in, you say no,
Speaker 6: not right now. We can talk later. I'll be with
Speaker 6: you later. Just claim your space. You don't have to
Speaker 6: be over.
Speaker 4: He is a virgin to talk to me, he burges
Speaker 4: in to talk to dying.
Speaker 6: Same thing. You're the messenger, you're the medium, and it's
Speaker 6: still you have the right to say we can talk
Speaker 6: to him later. Take control and responsibility and saying no,
Speaker 6: this isn't the time. I'm doing something else. Now he'll
Speaker 6: be back. He's not going to be offended and never
Speaker 6: come back.
Speaker 5: I mean he is. He is stubborn like he is.
Speaker 4: And he starts soaking.
Speaker 6: It's like, oh, it's nice to meet you, even though
Speaker 6: I can't see you.
Speaker 4: There's privacy reasons.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, So we weren't planning on being able to
Speaker 6: see her.
Speaker 5: No, No, I mean that's that's why she goes by
Speaker 5: a free name. That's why she keeps her her hand.
Speaker 6: That's okay. I don't need to see you.
Speaker 5: But so she's a voice in the voights.
Speaker 6: If you're comfortable with the way it is and being
Speaker 6: at his whim.
Speaker 4: I mean, he doesn't really come through unless he has
Speaker 4: something he has to tell.
Speaker 6: It's they have no sense of time there.
Speaker 4: That's where it's like, dude, I'm trying to sleep and
Speaker 4: your brother's just sleep.
Speaker 6: I don't care. It's like, dude, it's all about you
Speaker 6: being in your power and deciding when you want to
Speaker 6: do this.
Speaker 4: But it's just kind of funny when I tell him no,
Speaker 4: because then he goes and soaks and is to because
Speaker 4: I do actual travel, sometimes he'll go to the kids
Speaker 4: and be like your auntie face so mean to me,
Speaker 4: and it's like Antie, who's Antie? So he just I
Speaker 4: don't even know how to describe your brother at this point.
Speaker 5: I mean I never knew even when he was here,
Speaker 5: so you know, I.
Speaker 4: Mean, he gets so upset over the littlest of things.
Speaker 4: When I say now.
Speaker 5: That that was him in life as well. You know,
Speaker 5: he is a very very high standarts well.
Speaker 4: And it's interesting too because like with my granddaddy, he'll
Speaker 4: come and visit when I say not right now, he's
Speaker 4: got he's got the hint. And then when stein brother
Speaker 4: comes to visit and I say not right now, my
Speaker 4: Gandfa's like, she told you not right now? Dude?
Speaker 6: Do you have good boundaries embodied people? Like if friends
Speaker 6: or relatives or people you work with want your attention
Speaker 6: and space and it's not good for you, then.
Speaker 4: I work with kids, so that's kind of a hard
Speaker 4: thing to say yes to.
Speaker 5: Well, even with friends and family.
Speaker 4: Depends on who it is.
Speaker 6: Well, maybe if you want to, if this is bothersome
Speaker 6: or invasive, and you want to practicing no to friends
Speaker 6: and family, and try saying no to Stein's brother with
Speaker 6: a little more meaning it. See what happens he doesn't
Speaker 6: want to?
Speaker 5: What's that.
Speaker 4: Fox knows or Stein knows that I'm a redhead. So
Speaker 4: I'm just like, ooh, that's gonna be interesting. Well, anyway,
Speaker 4: I'll try it. I did you mean to be off
Speaker 4: this topic?
Speaker 6: That's okay. It's only if you want to. If you
Speaker 6: if the dynamics feed you and you enjoy them on
Speaker 6: some level, or it works.
Speaker 4: It's just kind of funny because like I didn't really
Speaker 4: know him in life because he was socially awkward, Like
Speaker 4: I am, and now that he's on the other side,
Speaker 4: it's like I see a whole other side of him.
Speaker 4: And I talked to Stein about it, and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: that was my brother.
Speaker 6: That's how mediumship works. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 4: Exhausting, though, it.
Speaker 6: Doesn't have to be exhausting. If you decide when you
Speaker 6: want to work, when you don't want to work professionally
Speaker 6: or otherwise, it's not exhausting. It doesn't have to be.
Speaker 6: My belief.
Speaker 5: I wanted to ask, since you know, on the other
Speaker 5: sides or you know, through the dimensions, there are so
Speaker 5: many different beings. I have had some experiences, but I
Speaker 5: didn't treat it as seriously as I should have. Perhaps,
Speaker 5: But are there any experiences that there were less than pleasant,
Speaker 5: let's say, because I know I've had some that well
Speaker 5: that are still that I do still remember, and that
Speaker 5: I was like, I should have taken this so much
Speaker 5: more seriously, and I can imagine as a medium a
Speaker 5: lot more comes through.
Speaker 6: Actually, it's been thirteen years or so of extensive immersion
Speaker 6: in mediumship, with thousands of interactions, classes, circles, demonstrations, training.
Speaker 6: I have never had an unpleasant situation experience with a
Speaker 6: spirit person I haven't experienced anything scary. My students, my teachers,
Speaker 6: my peers, we believe that the well, I don't know
Speaker 6: about all my students. It's not like they're clones and
Speaker 6: they're going to believe everything I believe. I believe that
Speaker 6: the spirit world is safe, and all my experiences have
Speaker 6: been positive. I feel I never tell people that their
Speaker 6: experience there's a fear, terror, whatever happened to them didn't happen.
Speaker 6: I don't gaslight people and say I don't believe that
Speaker 6: happened to you. Sometimes I offer different interpretations of what
Speaker 6: people are experiencing, and that fear and experiences are real,
Speaker 6: but it's possible that they're caused by other that they're
Speaker 6: not caused by actual people or other entities in spirit.
Speaker 6: So that's my answer. No, I haven't had anything scary
Speaker 6: or unpleasant.
Speaker 5: Well, then you're you're very fortunate, because that seems to
Speaker 5: be like kind of going back a little to the
Speaker 5: spiritual gatekeeping. This also often how you'll see it portrayed
Speaker 5: in more popular media, you know, the most famous example
Speaker 5: of course, being the sixth sense. You know, I see
Speaker 5: that people and you know, being all scary. I've actually
Speaker 5: uh a little confession. I've actually never seen it.
Speaker 6: Well, I thought that was a great movie.
Speaker 4: That you need to watch it, honey, because you'll understand
Speaker 4: what it's like to be a medium.
Speaker 5: I know it's been almost thirty three years and I
Speaker 5: haven't seen it yet for.
Speaker 4: Something, But I'm just saying, like that really opened my
Speaker 4: eyes and made me realize that it's okay not to
Speaker 4: be as society says normal.
Speaker 6: I think that people's background anxiety, fear, exposure to religion,
Speaker 6: exposure to possibly hundreds or more horror movies, culture and
Speaker 6: ghost stories create and some of the hype and fear
Speaker 6: mongering from mediums and television and all that create fear
Speaker 6: and will lead to people attributing scary things to people
Speaker 6: of spirit. I don't even believe in ghosts. I believe
Speaker 6: in energetic imprints. I believe in residual energy. I believe
Speaker 6: that humans can fling energy into negative experiences and build
Speaker 6: up energy like that. But I don't believe in ghosts.
Speaker 6: I don't believe in attachments. I don't believe that spirit
Speaker 6: entity is going to cling onto you and be responsible
Speaker 6: for your depression or addiction or anything like that. And
Speaker 6: I can give alternate explanations that people may or may
Speaker 6: not resonate for these different things. So that's my belief.
Speaker 6: I don't expect other people to just believe that everything
Speaker 6: I believe is the way it is. People have their
Speaker 6: own concepts. But what I do in my work as
Speaker 6: a teacher and mentor often is addressing people's fears and
Speaker 6: maybe telling them when they were a kid and the
Speaker 6: spirit person was on the end of edge of their
Speaker 6: bed and they were terrified that maybe that was their
Speaker 6: grandfather coming to visit them, and they were terrified because
Speaker 6: they didn't know why there was a man on their bed.
Speaker 5: Oh that's that. Actually, it sounds very juxtaposed. You know,
Speaker 5: a medium but doesn't believe in ghosts.
Speaker 6: That's exactly I believe in spirit people. The idea spirit
Speaker 6: people are people. My vision, my belief is everybody physically dies,
Speaker 6: you go to the spirit world and you don't get stucked.
Speaker 6: You're not in between past, take your own life, and
Speaker 6: you don't go into hell or get thrown right back in.
Speaker 6: Obviously you know that they're still in the spirit world.
Speaker 6: And there's a bunch of reasons why people think there
Speaker 6: are ghosts. For example, people think they're ghosts because they
Speaker 6: don't know they have mediumistic abilities. Someone dies and then
Speaker 6: they see them or hear them and they're like, oh
Speaker 6: my god, they're a ghost. They're stuck here. Somebody helped
Speaker 6: them get to the light because maybe they didn't know
Speaker 6: that they had some innate sensitivity they weren't aware about,
Speaker 6: and that people can be in the spirit world and
Speaker 6: still be seen and heard. So it's an interpretation, Oh
Speaker 6: my god, they're a ghost, and I can go on
Speaker 6: and on.
Speaker 5: Oh I never looked at it that way. Oh, that
Speaker 5: actually makes a lot of sense. And that also, and
Speaker 5: that also would explain why the so called ghost hunters
Speaker 5: and whatever. We're friends with a few of them, why
Speaker 5: they seem to with every hunt, although it's really it's
Speaker 5: really not the right terminology for it, because.
Speaker 4: You're finding spookies.
Speaker 5: Sure, but with every every exploration. Let's say, I think
Speaker 5: that's I think that's a better one. That they they
Speaker 5: find more, they hear more, they see more because they
Speaker 5: are attuning theirselves to it.
Speaker 6: Oh that by ads, people in the spirit world can
Speaker 6: affect things in our world. They can make lights go
Speaker 6: on and off, or put the vacuum cleaner on, or
Speaker 6: make the TV stop or otherwise make themselves known. But
Speaker 6: the interpretation is, yes, they're in the spirit world, but
Speaker 6: they can play with energy. They can harness our energy,
Speaker 6: and especially if there's juvenile adolescence with all that chaos
Speaker 6: and ridiculous hormone and energy, they might have experiences more
Speaker 6: with them because spirit people can channel the energy. The
Speaker 6: distinction I make is that doesn't mean that a spirit
Speaker 6: person is trapped here stuck here on the earth. I'm
Speaker 6: saying that they can make things move and happen here
Speaker 6: that can be experienced, but they're happily ensconced in the
Speaker 6: spirit world. They're in the spirit world. They're not ghosts,
Speaker 6: they're not trapped, they're not haunting something. They just use
Speaker 6: our energy and their own intention to make themselves known.
Speaker 5: Oh wow, that shatters a lot of the imagery that
Speaker 5: I had, but it makes it makes a lot of sense. Actually,
Speaker 5: since they are well at that point they're purely energetic
Speaker 5: beings because you know, the physical body is no longer,
Speaker 5: it makes sense that they can you know, tap into
Speaker 5: other energies or attach themselves to it. Huh. The more
Speaker 5: you know, the more you learn. So you already give
Speaker 5: an example of you know, someone seeing their their grandfather
Speaker 5: at the foot of the bad leg. That made me
Speaker 5: think about night terrors and what's the terminology for that.
Speaker 6: Again, sleep paralysis.
Speaker 4: I do have a theory behind that one that's interesting.
Speaker 4: With the night ars, I'm.
Speaker 5: Here with two mediums, so I would love to hear
Speaker 5: from you both.
Speaker 4: Basically, I have a family member who has told me
Speaker 4: about it, and I've looked into it. Night Terrors are
Speaker 4: basically your body's way of remembering a past life, and
Speaker 4: you're still so young and innocent, and that's why when
Speaker 4: you're younger you get them. If that makes sense, That's
Speaker 4: what I was told.
Speaker 6: That makes sense, makes sense.
Speaker 5: So Sharon, then what is what is your interpretation? Do
Speaker 5: you have a interpretation?
Speaker 6: Sure? For me, night terrors would be basically nightmares your
Speaker 6: world scary, we process things. My daughter and I used
Speaker 6: to have nightmares together from different rooms when she was little.
Speaker 6: I would have a nightmare and then I would hear
Speaker 6: her yelling or the I didn't even know which came first,
Speaker 6: but sometimes we would have simultaneous nightmares. It wasn't clinical
Speaker 6: night terrors, it wasn't every night, but that was kind
Speaker 6: of interesting. Sleep paralysis I go totally with the medical
Speaker 6: clinical view. People ask that question not directly to me
Speaker 6: so much as I'm in a Facebook group that I
Speaker 6: created called Mediumship and Mediums with twenty seven thousand people
Speaker 6: and a lot of people that'll come up in other places. Believe.
Speaker 6: I believe that night terrors are totally a medical thing.
Speaker 6: And what I do is I put a link to
Speaker 6: web md or the Mayo Clinic or something that I
Speaker 6: consider really realistic anyway, and it's a sleep disorder. You're
Speaker 6: not asleep, you're not quite awake, and then they describe
Speaker 6: the actual feelings that you feel like there's somebody on
Speaker 6: your chest, and people sometimes think it's demons and scary
Speaker 6: things like that. In the clinical medical diagnosis they describe
Speaker 6: that people interpret it that way, but how it's a
Speaker 6: sleep disorder. So I totally personally discount that it has
Speaker 6: anything to do with demons or scary spirits, and I
Speaker 6: see it as a medical issue. That's my thoughts on
Speaker 6: sleep paralysis.
Speaker 5: I can imagine that if you're in let's say, in
Speaker 5: the stage between sleep and being awake, like your body
Speaker 5: does paralyze in a way when you're asleep. That's, you know,
Speaker 5: more so to prevent you from like moving and waking
Speaker 5: yourself up or injuring yourself. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so
Speaker 5: also of course, so that you can get like the
Speaker 5: deep sleep and the deep rest because you know your
Speaker 5: body needs it. So I can't imagine that if you're
Speaker 5: semi conscious but your body is in full literal sleep
Speaker 5: paralysis and you can you can't move, that's yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 5: I mean that that sounds like a living nightmare. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that that'd be scary for everyone, doesn't matter your age.
Speaker 6: We used to be terrified when there were comets for
Speaker 6: an eclipse of the moon because they were terrifying and
Speaker 6: we didn't know about astronomy. So if somebody doesn't know
Speaker 6: that sleep paralysis is a thing and this happened to them,
Speaker 6: it makes sense that somebody might go elsewhere in their thoughts.
Speaker 5: Sure, yeah, I mean taught behavior, learned behavior, and of
Speaker 5: course what you you pick up from you know, books
Speaker 5: and TV and popular media and all of that. I
Speaker 5: mean ghost stories, you know, they they sell, they sell
Speaker 5: really good, and I mean it's not for nothing that
Speaker 5: I believe the number one type of podcast is true
Speaker 5: crime podcast because it's exciting and you can like link
Speaker 5: it to ghost stories. But yeah, I can, I can
Speaker 5: see that, and yeah, it really comes down to the
Speaker 5: fear of the unknown. And that's why I am, well,
Speaker 5: you know, so so happy and that you know, my
Speaker 5: wife is a medium and that I can that I
Speaker 5: can talk and have contact with mediums like yourself, because
Speaker 5: it makes the great unknown a little a little less unknown.
Speaker 5: It helps me understand, it helps my my audience, our
Speaker 5: audience understand. And I just hope that I can for
Speaker 5: everyone the bit of the ripple effect, that I can
Speaker 5: make it a little less unknown, just one, one view,
Speaker 5: one listen at a time. But although I do, you.
Speaker 4: Also have a gift to honey, you are also my
Speaker 4: anchor in this world and your brother is my anker
Speaker 4: on the other side too, especially with the line of
Speaker 4: work that I'm getting myself into.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, I mean, yeah, you really chose that work
Speaker 5: because of your gift. Right, well, you've finished.
Speaker 4: It's just like, let me see what this is about.
Speaker 4: And as I was reading about what it entails, I
Speaker 4: was like, this is me. And then I sent it
Speaker 4: to you and I wanted your thoughts on it. And
Speaker 4: the more you write about it, You're like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 4: that is you.
Speaker 5: I mean, if you have the gift of mediumship anyway,
Speaker 5: then you know a death dola's.
Speaker 6: Is that your next what you're working towards now?
Speaker 4: So actually, I just graduated recently, so I'm a sacred
Speaker 4: passage doula. I can't say I'm certified because I don't
Speaker 4: have the true certificate, so I have to say I am,
Speaker 4: and then I'm also a death coach.
Speaker 6: Congratulations, that's what.
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you, And I do help soul's cross.
Speaker 4: One of our friends, a mutual friend between me and Stein.
Speaker 4: I helped her grandmother, and then I helped her grandfather,
Speaker 4: and I realized with her grandfather he was a lot
Speaker 4: more easier to help because he missed her grandmother so much,
Speaker 4: so he was easier. I helped her through hers and
Speaker 4: I was able to connect her to her grandmother and
Speaker 4: she was pleasantly surprised. So I mean it's hard work.
Speaker 4: I mean, especially as a medium, it's very hard work.
Speaker 4: But I don't regret it. Excellent because as my excuse me,
Speaker 4: our oldest says, I helped give birth to a soul
Speaker 4: rather than give birth to a life.
Speaker 5: That's exactly what you do as a medium.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that helps put it in perspective of what I do.
Speaker 5: I guess. A final question that I'm I'm quite curious about,
Speaker 5: when did you or why did you decide to start
Speaker 5: teaching because it's your well, the first the first medium
Speaker 5: that I that I know of that actually teaches people
Speaker 5: to develop their gifts. I mean, you know heard from
Speaker 5: from Firefay of course that you know you can develop it,
Speaker 5: and you know you are already sensitive to it and all.
Speaker 5: But I never thoughts I could like actually find a teacher.
Speaker 6: I've had dozens of teachers. There's a college in England
Speaker 6: called the Arthur Finlay College where they have some of
Speaker 6: the best teachers in the world. They're having some issues
Speaker 6: at the college right now, which hopefully they'll work out,
Speaker 6: but you have dozens of amazing teachers and I've had
Speaker 6: great teachers. The reason I teach is because I'm kind
Speaker 6: of a natural born teacher. So I learned. I chose
Speaker 6: to develop as a medium. The teaching part of me
Speaker 6: is natural. I've taught massage, energy, healing, water, colors. When
Speaker 6: I do something, I'm inclined to teach it. And with
Speaker 6: the medium ship, I had so much backlash about, oh,
Speaker 6: you can't learn. I didn't think you could. You'll never
Speaker 6: be any good. So I chose to learn anyway I've
Speaker 6: been successful. So my job is to help other people
Speaker 6: and let them know if you want to do this,
Speaker 6: you can too. And my students blow my mind. My
Speaker 6: beginner students in class I lead online circles and they
Speaker 6: are constantly blowing my mind because in their first readings
Speaker 6: and in their first weeks or months, they get so
Speaker 6: much evidence such a they just do so much better
Speaker 6: than I was able to do when I was starting
Speaker 6: thirteen years ago, without somebody holding my hand and saying,
Speaker 6: I know you can do this. So it was natural
Speaker 6: for me to want people to have the support and
Speaker 6: confidence that I didn't have, so I do my best
Speaker 6: to provide it to them.
Speaker 5: So, oh's that's great, and that's also it's such a
Speaker 5: good way to show the doubters to just like, oh,
Speaker 5: you said I couldn't as well I am, and I'm
Speaker 5: teaching it.
Speaker 6: Well, it wasn't as much as I'll show you. It
Speaker 6: was like, I guess I'll find out work and see.
Speaker 6: It wasn't trying to prove it to anybody. I just
Speaker 6: wanted to prove it to myself. And then when I could,
Speaker 6: it's like, oh my god, I can let's really really
Speaker 6: focus on this. I never try to prove. I have
Speaker 6: people who know me, trust me, know I'm honest and
Speaker 6: still have had trouble wrapping their mind around the idea
Speaker 6: of mediumship, and I don't try to convince them because
Speaker 6: it's not my job. My job is to bring love
Speaker 6: and healing between the side and the other hand. By
Speaker 6: training literally hundreds of mediums, I'm going to bring more healing,
Speaker 6: love and connection to the world because the hundreds of
Speaker 6: mediums can give readings to hundreds, So I'm affecting thousands
Speaker 6: of people who are getting healing, closure, peace and beautiful
Speaker 6: experiences because I'm helping bring out develop a huge crop
Speaker 6: of new mediums or taking mediums who have abilities and
Speaker 6: do it, but they are uncomfortable, they have fears, they're
Speaker 6: worried about boundaries, they have all these different concerns about it,
Speaker 6: and helping them come to terms with taking control of
Speaker 6: their mediumship, deciding when to do it, having boundaries and
Speaker 6: ethics things they might not have thought about, so that
Speaker 6: they can do it in a comfortable way that's not exhausting, disturbing,
Speaker 6: or disruptive to their regular life. So I just try
Speaker 6: to help.
Speaker 5: Amazing. How do you do your readings? Because firefaight like
Speaker 5: you like to take your cards one of how many
Speaker 5: ever decks you have by now I lost counts like
Speaker 5: you sent me like the decks we could use for
Speaker 5: the Solstice ritual that we did yester and I was like, oh,
Speaker 5: I have to choose with between all of those. So
Speaker 5: Sharon like, do you do your readings with any any tools?
Speaker 5: Or do you just get into a certain mindset, step
Speaker 5: into a certain energy or does it just just flow?
Speaker 6: No tools. I've dabbled with oracle cards and tarot cards
Speaker 6: for the past forty years or so, a little bit,
Speaker 6: never professionally. Mother piece tarot cards when I was in
Speaker 6: my twenties and thirties. They are mind blowing. So I
Speaker 6: have had some experience with cards, but I don't integrate them,
Speaker 6: or use cards or anything else. I don't want to
Speaker 6: hold objects. I don't want information, I don't want names
Speaker 6: or anything else. It's intention. I set up the reading,
Speaker 6: tell the person what to expect. I do probably ninety
Speaker 6: not eight percent of them on zoom, so I can
Speaker 6: see people all over the world as opposed to my
Speaker 6: little town. Tell them what to expect, tell them to
Speaker 6: respond with you know, maybe I understand, and then I
Speaker 6: take my intention and go into a slightly altered state,
Speaker 6: and then I connect with their loved ones in spirit
Speaker 6: and tell them about them and messages if they have them.
Speaker 6: I choose not to use tools, and the way I teach,
Speaker 6: we don't use tools either, no pictures, no cards, just
Speaker 6: kind of straightforward mediumship without props. But that doesn't mean
Speaker 6: that mediums can't integrate it however they want. Some people
Speaker 6: do mediumship while they're doing healings. Some people mix psychic
Speaker 6: readings and mediumship together. And I don't tell people how
Speaker 6: to do it. I just teach here's the mediumship component,
Speaker 6: evidential mediumship, connecting with loved ones, getting evidence showing that
Speaker 6: the people are they are doing this in a positive
Speaker 6: healing way, and then people can put it together however
Speaker 6: they want too.
Speaker 5: Okay, So a very you could say, a very pure
Speaker 5: way of reading was.
Speaker 6: The word in my head, but I specifically didn't say
Speaker 6: it because if I said that I'm a purist and
Speaker 6: do it that way, that would sound judgmental that people
Speaker 6: who were using cards or something else weren't doing it
Speaker 6: that way, and I don't want It's not like my
Speaker 6: way is the better way or the pure way. It's
Speaker 6: just kind of the straightforward, no tools. This is the ability,
Speaker 6: and that's how I choose to do it, and that's
Speaker 6: how I choose. I teach people to do it, and
Speaker 6: then they can decide if they want to integrate it
Speaker 6: and use other sources. I don't want my students to
Speaker 6: be dependent on cards or objects or other things. Teach
Speaker 6: them the basics. This is how you do it. This
Speaker 6: is what you need, which is somebody who wants a reading,
Speaker 6: who has people in spirit that they'll be able to
Speaker 6: recognize and how to prepare themselves, use their intention to
Speaker 6: do it, and then they can do what they want
Speaker 6: with that information and fashion their own mediumistic adventures and
Speaker 6: experiences and offerings.
Speaker 4: It sounds like you need to take one of her classes, huh.
Speaker 5: She already offered me so complimentary.
Speaker 4: Yeah online that you definitely need to, because I honestly
Speaker 4: think you would be quite surprised at what you find
Speaker 4: within yourself.
Speaker 6: Were you around when I made the offer to him? No, me,
Speaker 6: and I was not ethical.
Speaker 4: It. So I'm thinking, like, you know the things that
Speaker 4: you've already dealt with with me with my medium stuff,
Speaker 4: and how you're able to help me with mine, and
Speaker 4: you're able to kind of understand the other side. I
Speaker 4: think you might have more of a gift than you realize.
Speaker 4: You may not have the seeing and hearing part, but
Speaker 4: you might have one of one of them.
Speaker 6: He can develop any of them. But the funny thing
Speaker 6: is when I offered, he said he had to discuss
Speaker 6: it with you, And like, what if I don't know
Speaker 6: two mediums in the family, I said, not a problem.
Speaker 4: Well, our oldest is a is starting to show signs
Speaker 4: of being the medium. So you're going to have three,
Speaker 4: and if we include our daughter, there's another one. We
Speaker 4: don't know about the youngest yet.
Speaker 6: Helps you have three.
Speaker 5: Our our daughter definitely has has a gift. It's it's
Speaker 5: just like kind of looking from the from the sidelines
Speaker 5: to see what her gifts actually is and how it'll
Speaker 5: it'll develop. She definitely has has a gift. On an
Speaker 5: Ivy are our oldest? I mean on he's he's like you,
Speaker 5: he's like his he's like his mother.
Speaker 4: So did you, Sharon what he did with Jimmy?
Speaker 5: No, no, oh, I completely forget about that. That's a
Speaker 5: good one, just too Yeah, now that you mention that
Speaker 5: he has a strong natural ability. I live in a
Speaker 5: fairly small town, just average sized town. And where in
Speaker 5: the in the Netherlands, in the flower Bowl region.
Speaker 6: Okay, I was trying to decide. You sound like some Okay,
Speaker 6: I thought it might be somewhere around there. I mean,
Speaker 6: I know you're not from here, but good to know. Netherlands,
Speaker 6: small town.
Speaker 5: Sorry to interrupt, No, it's that's that's fine. And I
Speaker 5: got two cats. I got big Red or Timmy, who
Speaker 5: is here, yeah, okay, but living here, I have two
Speaker 5: and then all the others a authority Selene who is upstairs,
Speaker 5: I think, making herself comfortable. Whenever I go outside, whenever
Speaker 5: I go like out for groceries or whatever, I will
Speaker 5: have either one or both of them following me. And
Speaker 5: especially Tommy, like he if it's like not too busy
Speaker 5: and too scary with you know, all the traffic and
Speaker 5: the people and all of that, Like if he could,
Speaker 5: he would follow me into the grocery store, like he'd
Speaker 5: like to really go grocery shopping with me. And there
Speaker 5: was one day last last summer where I, you know,
Speaker 5: I did my things, got my groceries, and when I
Speaker 5: went home, and you know, of course in the evening. Now,
Speaker 5: I just wanted to chill at home, you know, watch
Speaker 5: what you get Siri or movie with at the WiFi,
Speaker 5: and I prefer to have the cats in. I cann't
Speaker 5: find them for the life of me. I looked at
Speaker 5: all the regular spots where you know they usually hang out,
Speaker 5: know them by now. Sorry to say this to him,
Speaker 5: but you're predictable talking back right away. Okay, I see
Speaker 5: how it is. And so Firefay asked our son's help
Speaker 5: and like, hey, like try and channel through me to
Speaker 5: see if you can find his kiddies or you know,
Speaker 5: see like the the environment. And it was so incredibly
Speaker 5: specific because here in the Netherlands we don't have a
Speaker 5: lot of like the big trucks driving around like you
Speaker 5: have in the United States. We just don't have the space,
Speaker 5: we don't have the roads for those. But for some reason,
Speaker 5: what he saw was a big red truck effort. Did
Speaker 5: he mentioned did he mention that specific? Yeah?
Speaker 4: And it had black on it too, He even said
Speaker 4: it had black.
Speaker 5: Yeah. And lo and behold where Timmy has probably spent
Speaker 5: most of the time like kind of wondering about trying
Speaker 5: to figure out where I went, what was parked there
Speaker 5: at rapped her a red force rapptor with some black
Speaker 5: streaks on the sides. And I, like me and my
Speaker 5: my Dutch mind, I was like a Ford raptor, like
Speaker 5: just a big suv in the Netherlands, in a flowerable region,
Speaker 5: you know how small the roads are here are like no,
Speaker 5: And then I saw it.
Speaker 4: I showed fire in the corner and it was right
Speaker 4: in front of your face.
Speaker 5: I showed firefan and I was like, well, tell the kid. Oh,
Speaker 5: I said, sorry, you're right, because there it is.
Speaker 7: And and then we couldn't find Selene, and so I
Speaker 7: was just like, hey, dude, can you see if you
Speaker 7: can spot where the little girl is.
Speaker 4: She's usually you know, pretty near home to you since
Speaker 4: where she's at. And he's like, mom, she's near water,
Speaker 4: and she's crying for staying.
Speaker 5: Up and she will and behold he.
Speaker 4: Went by the water where he last left her, and
Speaker 4: she was just sitting there crying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she was walking around looking for me, kind of
Speaker 5: crying like, hey, I don't know where I am. I'm
Speaker 5: just a small kitty hell please. And there was a
Speaker 5: big or a little bigger body of water there. So
Speaker 5: even from still a distance through his mother, our oldest
Speaker 5: was able to second channel.
Speaker 6: I don't I could be wrong, but I don't think
Speaker 6: he was doing this through his mother. I don't think
Speaker 6: it has anything to do well.
Speaker 4: And what was interesting is he was touching my arm
Speaker 4: and touching my forehead my third eye. So that's how
Speaker 4: I know he was channeling through me, okay, And I
Speaker 4: didn't even tell him what to do. I just said
Speaker 4: I need you to look for these kiddies, and that's
Speaker 4: when he did that. I was like, okay, you're in
Speaker 4: my bubble.
Speaker 6: I bet he do that without using your energy. I
Speaker 6: bet he was just doing that and you were helping
Speaker 6: him focus. Maybe, but I could be wrong. I bet
Speaker 6: next time just ask him say, okay, where can you
Speaker 6: do that again? Can you find this or that? And
Speaker 6: let him do it and see what happens.
Speaker 5: Just the thought, and I think he'll succeed. I honestly think.
Speaker 4: Well. There was one time that I actually did because
Speaker 4: I was actually out with my community client for school
Speaker 4: and Stein asked me to ask the oldest for help
Speaker 4: and which we should ask him about the paperwork by
Speaker 4: the way, Yeah, so I did it again. I messaged
Speaker 4: him for my mom's phone and he's he's like, Mom,
Speaker 4: they're where they were before. And so I told Stein
Speaker 4: and Lord and behold they were right there. So he's
Speaker 4: done without me around. He's a lot stronger than he
Speaker 4: gives himself credit for. I mean, he even loves my
Speaker 4: taro and my oracle cards.
Speaker 6: How old are they?
Speaker 4: He's fifteen?
Speaker 6: Cool.
Speaker 5: And then our daughter is nine thirteen, and nah, no,
Speaker 5: she'll be uh, she'll be turning ten in April. And
Speaker 5: even as a as a as a wee lass, as
Speaker 5: a little girl, she she was definitely seeing things. I
Speaker 5: don't I don't know what she saw, but she saw
Speaker 5: more than then she could explain. And with our youngest,
Speaker 5: my boy six years old, he's he's like, is that
Speaker 5: a little little rough around the edges, But I'm sure
Speaker 5: there is some sort of a gift in him as well,
Speaker 5: And it wouldn't It would absolutely not surprise me if
Speaker 5: his older sister is gonna end up being his teacher
Speaker 5: because they are, they're so close, they're just yeah, they're
Speaker 5: best buds. So yeah, a lot of we're gonna have
Speaker 5: it like just a medium family at this point. That
Speaker 5: should be uh, that should be interesting. But chair and
Speaker 5: I I guess I talked it over with the wife.
Speaker 5: I UH, and I yeah, I would. I would love
Speaker 5: to uh. I would love to join you in uh
Speaker 5: in one of your classes. I'm very, very curious to
Speaker 5: see how it'll develop and how it'll be excellent.
Speaker 6: Well, I have some on my website. You can check
Speaker 6: it out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, An, did you have any question?
Speaker 4: I guess Tom wants to involve himself in the classes too.
Speaker 5: Oh he's he's off to with his comfy spot. So
Speaker 5: he's like, Okay, I'm done, I'm cool. I need I
Speaker 5: know what I need to know.
Speaker 4: How can I help my fifteen year old because, like
Speaker 4: with me, it just developed naturally, because like my mom
Speaker 4: allowed it to just flow. How can I encourage him
Speaker 4: to keep embracing his gift rather than being afraid of
Speaker 4: it or keeping it hidden.
Speaker 6: Talk to him about how it's natural, how you do it,
Speaker 6: how it's healing, how there's nothing to be scared about.
Speaker 6: But the part about keeping it hidden it might not
Speaker 6: be something he wants to share with the other fifteen
Speaker 6: year olds because that might not go over well. So
Speaker 6: it's not like he necessarily has to come out and
Speaker 6: share it with peers because that could be uncomfortable. And
Speaker 6: he can use it naturally, but it might. It's sometimes
Speaker 6: better for people to develop us without focusing on their abilities.
Speaker 6: At the age of fifteen, as an adolescent, it's a sensitivity,
Speaker 6: and you increase your sensitivity and there's enough to deal
Speaker 6: with for lessons dealing with people and bullies and everything
Speaker 6: without being different, without focusing on your sensitivity. And so
Speaker 6: you have it. So you don't want to shut it down,
Speaker 6: but you also don't need to thoroughly embrace it. I
Speaker 6: want to really wrap this up and focus on that.
Speaker 6: Let him be a fifteen sixteen seven, let him be
Speaker 6: a normal kid, and just this is something special that
Speaker 6: unless he's really excited, like I want to do this now,
Speaker 6: and then you support him in that. But there's something
Speaker 6: to be said to having mundane. You know, a non.
Speaker 4: Too. You're more scared of it, to be honest, because
Speaker 4: back when Stein and I first started seeing each other,
Speaker 4: he had an experience with a dark entity and it
Speaker 4: scared him and he couldn't sleep in his own room
Speaker 4: for a while because it scared him so bad.
Speaker 6: Okay, well, definitely address the fear part. We're I'm gonna
Speaker 6: we're like way over our hours. I'm going to go
Speaker 6: into this in depth. I don't believe there are dark entities.
Speaker 6: I don't believe in demons and scary things. I feel
Speaker 6: like it's all perception. My guess, I'm not there. I
Speaker 6: don't know him. Is that something happened where he felt
Speaker 6: and experienced something that triggered fear based on what I
Speaker 6: said before, It could be based on Hollywood fear mongering
Speaker 6: and not understanding what happened. My gut feeling, because I
Speaker 6: don't believe in dark entities, is that he didn't have
Speaker 6: an experience with a dark entity. He had an experienced
Speaker 6: could be spiritual, could be with somebody that he interpreted
Speaker 6: and triggered his fear. I'm not saying it.
Speaker 4: It could be the trickster spirit that we have around
Speaker 4: the property. Could that makes sense.
Speaker 6: So support him as best you can in understanding that
Speaker 6: it's a special ability and that there's nothing to fear.
Speaker 6: Nobody in spirit is going to get him, take him
Speaker 6: over or ruin his life. Anybody in spirit has no
Speaker 6: power over us. So basically try to get him to
Speaker 6: understand that he's safe.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'll talk to him when he gets home tonight.
Speaker 6: And that he has a special ability that can be amazing,
Speaker 6: But he doesn't have to broad don't hide it, don't
Speaker 6: make it seem like this is a deep, dark family secret,
Speaker 6: and don't let anybody know. But he's fifteen. He's going
Speaker 6: to know that some people might not be supportive of that.
Speaker 6: So you don't just tell everybody and proceed and enjoy
Speaker 6: it and find the cats and use it in other
Speaker 6: ways that is productive, and if he's really excited about it,
Speaker 6: help him develop in a safe way, meaning with understanding,
Speaker 6: with support. You don't want him to get well. I
Speaker 6: don't know what you want or don't want, but the
Speaker 6: risk of being completely psychic open is if you start
Speaker 6: being aware or perceiving tragic events before they have, or
Speaker 6: picking up on drama and trauma, that can be difficult
Speaker 6: to process and be scary. So just take it slow.
Speaker 6: Let him have his fifteen year old pursuits and have
Speaker 6: this as a beautiful ability to nurture as he goes along,
Speaker 6: but not necessarily take steps to make this front and
Speaker 6: center part of this life. Does that make sense, Fire Faith,
Speaker 6: It does.
Speaker 4: Thank you for.
Speaker 5: Awesome well. I think this is a very good point
Speaker 5: to wrap up the show. Sharon, Thank you very much
Speaker 5: for coming on. I I definitely I've learned, learned a lot.
Speaker 5: I've you know, thank you for your for your viewpoints
Speaker 5: as well. They definitely differ from what I'm what I've
Speaker 5: seen so far given me a lot of a lot
Speaker 5: of things to think about. And I would love to
Speaker 5: join you for your class. And you're in the Netherlands.
Speaker 6: I think you're like six seven hours later than us.
Speaker 6: Uh one twenty six here.
Speaker 5: Uh seven twenty six? Oh yeah, six hours. That makes
Speaker 5: that makes about sense. Yeah, it's usually around six hours.
Speaker 6: Okay, so my daytime class would be evening for you.
Speaker 6: I'm sure you can into one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm always way too late anyway.
Speaker 5: And for everyone else interested in your book and in
Speaker 5: your classes, where might they go to?
Speaker 6: Sharonfarber dot net is my website Sharonfarber dot net. You
Speaker 6: can order the book. You can get the book on
Speaker 6: Amazon or Barnes and Noble anywhere books are sold. You
Speaker 6: can get that in multiple countries. Book. Here's again is
Speaker 6: what the book looks like. I also have a work
Speaker 6: companion journal. If you're really focused on developing, it has
Speaker 6: prompts and you can track your readings and your discoveries
Speaker 6: and all that. So you go to my website. It'll
Speaker 6: have a mentorship page I do. I have three online
Speaker 6: mediumship development circles per week. I have two trance mediumship circles.
Speaker 6: I'm currently writing a book about trance mediumship that'll also
Speaker 6: be published by Llewellyn, and I have a couple retreats
Speaker 6: planned for the spring. Ones in the Blue Ridge Mountains,
Speaker 6: a long weekend mediumship development retreat, and I just sorted
Speaker 6: one out in a place called the Himalayan Institute in
Speaker 6: the Poconos for a little later in the spring. I'll
Speaker 6: have that on my website probably before this airs. Whenever
Speaker 6: that is. I'm hoping to have that on my website
Speaker 6: and within a week. But that's just reached me. I'm
Speaker 6: available for mentorship, one on one, private sessions on zoom Anywhere, readings.
Speaker 4: And like that.
Speaker 5: Awesome, Well, thank you so much. I'll make sure that
Speaker 5: all the the important links are up in the description
Speaker 5: down below. Of course. Great awesome as your books are
Speaker 5: published by Llewellan, by the way, that's a really good publisher.
Speaker 6: Thank you. I have had a lot of help.
Speaker 4: We're kind of fangirled when I saw that.
Speaker 6: Thank you. Llewellyn's amazing and the last book took forever
Speaker 6: and getting an agent and a publisher, and the one
Speaker 6: I'm writing now, I talked to my agent, she talked
Speaker 6: to them, Sure, give us a proposal, and it was
Speaker 6: just like boom boom boom, And now I'm writing for
Speaker 6: hours and hours and hours to get it done.
Speaker 5: That's that's amazing, that's really cool. Yeah, thanks again for
Speaker 5: joining Honey, thank you for coming on to co host
Speaker 5: this one with me. Of course, I have to always
Speaker 5: another medium with me when I'm talking to a medium,
Speaker 5: and I guess thank you to your internet connection for
Speaker 5: finally being stable enough to last throughout the show.
Speaker 4: Well, thanks to the other side for letting it happen.
Speaker 4: It was actually for them.
Speaker 5: Hey, thanks to all who helped.
Speaker 6: I guess we thank you for having me here. Yeah,
Speaker 6: one of the great questions.
Speaker 5: It's my pleasure. I I I love doing this and
Speaker 5: I have over the years become more proficient at it,
Speaker 5: you know, just like with the mediumship, it was trial
Speaker 5: and error and you know, eventually I kind of know
Speaker 5: what I'm doing. So and for everyone watching, for everyone listening, also,
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