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Encounters Radio. Glad you're listening. Tonight's guest wishes to remain anonymous,
and with that in mind, I'm just gonna call Matt
on tonight's show. Matt, thanks so much for joining us.
Thank you appreciate you being here. Matt, please give us
a brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm fifty four years old, so I've been around
the block of time or two. You know, I've worked
hard all my life and the construction trade and doing
service work in the construction trade. I'm retired from the
from construction trade, and you know, I like to you know,
after my experience with dog Man and I'd like to
investigate cryptids. I spent a lot of time studying them
from the Internet and from other people's encounters and trying
to gain as much knowledge as I can. As one
of my favorite hobbies to do. And I'm a Christian.
I go to church three times a week, read the
Bible every day, and I pray, believe in Jesus Christ
as my Lord and Savior. And you know, that's that's
pretty much who I am as a person.
Speaker 2: You're a good man, definitely, and you talk about it turnaround.
From what I understand, you would have laughed at anyone
who had the nerve to tell you about seeing something
like a dog man before you had your own encounter.
How much of a shock was it to you to
actually see one that morning?
Speaker 1: It was absolutely mind blowing to visually see and I
mean not just for a glimpse or something that flashed
in front of me through the woods, but I got
to view this thing for a good twenty seconds before
it disappeared into the woods. I got to view it
running on four legs, and I got to view it
walking on two legs, and a side profile of it,
of a perfect view of it on a bright sunny
morning in early March, and as it walked into the
woodline beside the river and disappeared into the brush.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is pretty so bring to goo from being
convinced that things like that aren't out there, to all
of a sudden you've got a dog man right in
front of you. That. Yeah, If that doesn't sober you
up to reality, I really don't know what will. You've
got strong feelings behind why you decided that you wanted
to be a guest on the show. Please expand on
that for us.
Speaker 1: I do I believe that the well, I know for
a fact that the government has to know about these things.
The government's probably done extensive scientific studies on these They
probably know all their habits. They probably know what the
birth rates are, what the you know, if the mother
stays with young for so many years, when do they separate,
if they're family groups, if they travel in packs, if
they're nomads. I mean, there's a lot of information that
I would like to know about these en cryptids, because
the government's never going to reveal that they've done anything
or that they know anything about them. So I would
like to share my experience and get the information that
I have out there to the public so that it
can be used. And the only way that we're going
to find out anything about these creatures is a bout
people coming forward and discussing, you know, what they've what
they've witnessed, so that we can come through some conclusions
about you know, some of their habits and about what
they do and what they are, and if they're dangerous
or if they're not dangerous, you know, and so much
of you know, you know, of those types of things.
Speaker 2: It really is an unfortunate fact. But until society as
a whole becomes a lot more comfortable with the idea
of talking about these things and their existence, people are
just going to keep it under Absolutely they have been
all this time. Sasquatch is becoming more and more accepted
in society. But I don't know that dogmen ever will.
I guess time will tell. It's hard to say what's
going to happen in the future, but I really would
be awfully surprised as if that ever does happen. But
like I said, we'll see your sighting happened in Washington
County and Maryland. Did it happen in a remote part
of the county or was it fairly populated there?
Speaker 1: It would be considered a rural area where it happened at,
but it was by no means an unpopulated area. It
is certainly populated. You can't go too far without running
into human beings in the area That happened at if
anybody wanted to Google Earth, that the sighting happened on
Canal Road and probably a quarter mile off of Harper's
Ferry Road at those two intersections. A quarter mile down
Canal Road and Washington County, Maryland, right beside the Potomac
River and the Sino Canal. It's actually on the Sino
Canal Towpath, is what it's called. And many, many, many
people go there hiking every day and walking their dogs.
So it's a very popular area where this thing was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how it is. Sometimes they do go in
areas that are pretty well popular. Didn't used So don't
think for a second you know better than this. But
I'm sure there are people listening who think that because
where they go for walks in the park there are
a lot of people that precludes the chance of having
a dog me in the encounter. Well, yeah, that's pretty
flawed thinking, because people in areas like that they still
have encounters. You raise count, you raise cattle at the
time of your encounter, But how far did you live
from the scene of that experience.
Speaker 1: I lived probably thirty miles away from this from that sighting,
and I did raise cattle at the time, I had
a small hobby farm, and I had seven cattle on
the you know, in my fields. And the reason I
bring that up is because I had, you know, I
had discernment for weight because of cattle, because you know,
everything about cattle when it comes to pricing, is based
on the weight of the cows. So I could look
at a cow and say, Okay, that cow's probably between
four hundred and fifteen five hundred and fifty pounds and
ninety six seven percent of the time, I would be
dead accurate somewhere in that weight range. That's what that
cow would weigh when we would take it to auction.
So I wanted to mention that because I was able
to get such a good sighting and view of this thing,
that I was able to estimate its weight of between
two hundred and fifty and three hundred and fifty pounds
as what I would guess that this thing probably weighed.
Speaker 2: For most people, i'd kind of wonder how accurate their
estimate was about the weight. But with you being so
well practiced on guessing weight of creatures and all, I
guess that wouldn't pertain to you. But what I'm getting
at here is there is a scientific principle called squarecube law,
where it basically states, if you take an object and
increase its size by factor of two, keep the proportions
the same, then its weight will increase by a factor
of eight. To highlight this, if you take a cube
that's one foot by one foot by one foot, and
that cube weighs one hundred pounds, well if you increase
it to the size of two feet by two feet
by two feet, basically double its size, then it's going
to weigh eight times more eight hundred pounds. To highlight that, basically,
if you take two blocks that are a foot by
foot by a foot, put them side by side, and
take two more blocks that are a foot by a
foot by a foot, put them behind that the row
of two blocks. There, you've got four blocks on the bottom,
and repeat that with another layer on top for a
total of eight blocks. Well, now your structure is two
feet by two feet by two feet, but it took
eight blocks that were one foot by one foot by
one foot to make it. So if each one of
those blocks weigh one hundred pounds, that's where I'm getting at.
That's what square cube lab states. Well, when people they
talk about seeing ten foot tall dog men and they
estimate this weight to be five hundred pounds, six hundred pounds.
You can see why that's got to be way off
again with you, Matt, you know animals and how much
they weigh. So I'm not saying that's the case with you,
but with a lot of eyewitnesses. It is so just
something I wanted to shed some light on there. How
much trouble have you had coming to the sudden reality
that there are actually things out there like dog men? Matt.
I mean we've touched on this a little bit, but
you've gone a long way from being a total skeptic
denying the possibility they could be out there, to now
you want to be a researcher and look for these things.
That's when hekva change and about face.
Speaker 1: I don't want to look for them in a field.
I want to look for them on the internet and
do my studying on the internet and try to learn
as much as I can about them on the internet.
From my experience and what happened and what I've seen
has changed my world in my perspective as to what's
out there. And I always have a joy going camping.
I have adult children now and every once in a
while we all get together and we go on camping trips.
That experience has affected where I go camping and when
we are camping. I have eyes in the back of
my head and I'm always armed when I go camping,
And even if it's an area that you know you're
not allowed to have firearms, I'm going to have a
firearm because I'm it's better to go to jail than
to lose my life if something like that were to
engage us, you know. And like I said, I don't
know if they're dangerous. I've heard of violent encounters, but
personally what I saw, I'm pretty sure that I think
can tear you from limb to limb. And I want
to be I want to have protect and when I'm
out there on the field and going camping, I would
never go camping in a royal area just by ourselves
and setting up a learning tent. The only way that
we'll go camping now is in an actual family campground
that is packed out and surrounded by a lot of people.
I do not want to be alone out in a
wilderness camping or anything like that because of what I've seen.
Speaker 2: Well, that's understandable. I just hate the fact that this
experience that you had has changed your love for the
woods so much. I know you could still obviously love
the woods and enjoy being out there, at least to
a certain degree. But the fact that you can't do
some of the things that you used to do, that's
sad to me. I don't like hearing that. But again,
it's totally understandable. I do get it, all right, man.
Please tell us about your encounter. Now, give us every
last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Well, that morning started out. I was at work, and
we were outside, and we were loading up our trucks
and getting prepared for the day, and I was talking
with my boss. And this was probably six forty five
in the morning, six fifty in the morning, and all
of a sudden, a high powered gun shot rang out.
And there's no hunting season in in the beginning of March,
and me and my boss kind of looked at each other,
It's like, you know, who's shooting that here? And then
I'd say, probably about five minutes later, we heard another
shot rang now, and as a hunter and as a
woodsman and knowing firearms, and both of us looked at
each other and said, well, that's somebody who just gave
away their position. Because you could shoot once in the
forest and nobody's going to know your position, but if
you shoot a second time, then you've given away your position.
So we thought, whoever is out there hunting illegally or
whatever they're doing, just gave away their position. And if
there's park rangers around, sure very well could be because
they're always through there, then they're going to locate that individual.
That's that's you know, shooting you know, with a high
power of rifle. So we didn't give it any other
thought or anything else. And I went and got in
my truck. I was by myself, and I headed out
for the day, and I headed down Harper's Ferry Road
and I turned on Canal Road and, like I said,
probably a quarter mile going down Canal Road, headed toward
Sharpsburg Pike, right beside the Cno Canal and right beside
the Potomac River. To my left and to my right
was there there was a hill climb, there was an
incline that went up a hill, and there was a
lot of underbrush where you know, fields were left untended
and you know, briars and everything else. And gum trees
and everything else was growing up. And then there was woods,
probably twenty five feet of brush of underbrush, and then
there was woods, and there was a woodline, and I
noticed an object to my left that was actually on
the Sino Canal, where hundreds of people hike and walk
and walk their dogs and listen to music as they're
walking and everything else on a daily routine there on
that Sino Canal. What I noticed turned and was running
toward my truck. And I'm looking at this thing, and
it was the color of a coyote. And I'm thinking,
in my brain's telling me coyote. But I'm looking at
it and it's too big to be a coyote. Like
I said, I can guess it's weight, and I guess
it's estimated its weight to be between two hundred and
fifty and three hundred and fifty pounds. It was every
bit of almost four feet off of the ground to
its back to from its back down to the ground,
you know, as it was running. Then the thought came
to me that that's not a coyote. And then I said,
is that a timber wolf? And there's no wolfs in Maryland,
No wolfs are supposed to be anywhere in Maryland at all. Period.
I've never seen a wolf in the wild in my
entire life. I've spent a lot of time out in
the woods in Maryland, never any wolfs. I've seen coyotes
out in the woods plenty of times, black bears, bobcats,
things of that nature, but never a wolf. There's not
supposed to be any in the state of Maryland. So
this thing is running from the Cno Canal from my left,
running toward toward toward my truck, in front of my truck.
And as it started getting directly in front of my truck,
I knew in my mind, I was like, I need
to pay attention for details as to what this is,
because I was curious. It was an unidentified creature that
was running in front of my truck. So as it
was running in front of me, I know is that
its shoulders and its front legs were higher up off
the ground than its rear legs and its rear end,
you know, like it was less than four feet on
a three end, so it had like a slant and
where its rear end was lower to the ground than
it was at his shoulders. And I noticed that it's
run its gate didn't look like a natural gait of
a dog. And I saw this thing's feet and it
looked like human feet, but they were fur covered its
rear feet. I didn't look at the front feet. I
could never saw the front feet. Can't tell you what
the front feet looked like, but I saw its rear poles.
It kind of looked like small human feet that were
covered with fur. I noticed that it had no tail,
which then I was like, wow, this is really strange.
And it had a white bottom like you would see
on a chimpanzee or a baboon. It had a white
round fur around its bottom, n around it anal area,
you know. And then it disappeared into the underbrush that
was on the right hand side of my truck. Well,
then the truck passed the area where this thing had
run out in front, and I stopped the truck. I
was like, what in the world was this thing? So
then I put the truck into reverse and I backed up,
and I looked up to my right and threw all
this thicket and this underbrush, and I literally saw this
thing stand up on two feet and start walking, and
it was walking parallel to the woodline. And it turned
nonchalantly and walked into the woods and it disappeared. Then
the thought came to me that these high powered shots
that I heard, because my shop was only one thousand
yards away from this incident where this happened. And the
thought came to me, these high powered shots that I
heard had to be connected to this creature because if
these things, you know, I didn't know anything at all
about these but it's supposed to be I figured, it's
supposed to be intelligent. But this thing ran right in
front of me and fully exposed itself. Okay, it was
not hidden at all, and I was able to get
a view of it from its nose, you know, all
the way to its rear end. And the thought came
to me that these shots had to be affiliated. I
felt like it was being pressured, like it was being pushed,
It was being hunted. Somebody was taking shots at this thing.
And that's why it took the risk and ran out
in front of me. Because if I had been able
to hit it with the truck, you know, and kill it,
I mean this, there probably would have been a government
cleanup crew or something of that nature, you know, But
this thing took a risk of exposing itself to me,
and if it hadn't stood up on two legs and walked,
I might have thought that it was a deformed timberwolf,
and maybe that there's timberwolves in Maryland, now, you know.
I was really just mind blown by what I was
visually seeing. My mind was having trouble identifying what I
was looking at that was running out in front of me.
You could not, and no person on earth could have
told me that these things were real, and I would
have believed them. I don't care. If you would have
had photographs of this thing, I would have told you
that's fake. There's no way that that's real. So I
was really, really, really baffled when I saw this thing.
This is the first time that I've come out of
the woodwork to tell anybody or share my experience with
what I've seen. The reason that I am is because
I think that you know one from a scientific as fact.
I think there's knowledge to be gained from what I've seen.
I also think that the public should be aware of
what's out there. I mean, there's people that are walking
on our towpath every single day, and there's stuff like
this that are out there in the woods, and I mean,
you know, if there's other people out there that live
in the area that listen to your podcast that have
seen these things, you know, maybe they'll yeah, man, I
live in this area and I see them all the time,
and they'll come out of the woodwork. This happened in
twenty eighteen, in March, and this is how long I've
kept it to myself. I did tell my kids about
it and ate both my adult children, ones nineteen and
the other ones twenty four at the time that happened,
and they both laughed at me, and they don't believe me.
But I honestly believe they do believe me now. But that's,
you know, pretty much the reason that you know, I've
kept silent all these years. It's not like you can,
you know, call up the mainstream meeting and tell them
what you saw, because they're going to brand you as
a looty tune and they're not going to they're not
going to put the news out there whatsoever that you
saw this. And there's really nobody you can call. You know,
you call a government official and you might not like
what happened. So I know better than to call the
government and tell them anything. And the other thing. I didn't.
The reason I didn't want to come out and say
what happened and where it happened just because I don't
want a bunch of yahoo's going in there and disturbing
this thing. If it's living there, then let it live
there in peace. You know, we as human beings sometimes
destroy things that we don't understand. So I had concerns
that maybe somebody would come in there and try to
kill it or something like that. So I just, you know,
didn't want to say anything, but I felt like it
was time to come out publicly and say what the
you know, what I had seen, And now I don't
have to question whether these things exist. Now I know
for a fact that these things exist. I've also, through
my studies, have heard of people talking about encounters with
a lizard man. And before this encounter, I had also
heard about a lizard man, but I would have dismissed
that as completely crackpot stuff, absolutely nuts, blah blah blah.
But now I question rather if those things are real.
I do not want to see one. I have no
intentions of going out looking and seeing, but you if
this thing is real, what else is out there is?
What I'm left with an amazing experience.
Speaker 2: When you have an experience like that, it definitely changes
your line of thinking. It really does make you wonder
what is out there and what can't be out there
if these guys really are so I get it, I
really do. And you're probably going to think I'm crazy
for telling you this, Matt, But we've got forests around
here where I live, and when I get a chance
to sneak away to clear my thoughts, I like to
go walking in this big forest here, and I'll walk
miles and miles without anyone else with me, and without
a gun or any other weapon. And this is a
forest where it could hold an army of dog men
and sasquatch. And a fact, how long ago was it?
Maybe five six years ago? I was walking through with
my brother one day and he found a sasquatch print.
He called me back and brought it to my attention. Well,
I mean game galore, moving the water has got everything
these guys could possibly want. You probably think I'm crazy
for doing that, But I wouldn't do that if I
haven't spoken with so many eyewitnesses who've reinforced the point
that these guys aren't wired to rip us apart as
soon as the opportunity presents itself. I'll never say the
dog men are safe to be around, because just like
anything else, you're gonna have dangerous dog men, just like
you're gonna have dangerous sasquatch and horses, pigs, goats, you
name it. But what matters to me is are they
or aren't they wired? As a group is a hole
to rip us apart as soon as the opportunity presents itself.
And since the answer to that is clearly no, that's
why I go out on these walks and have a
great time. I've literally walked hundreds and hundreds of miles
through that forest, sometimes after dark. So that's just something
to keep in mind.
Speaker 1: Yes, and you know, and I understand that. And there's
people that hike the appalach Trail all the time, and
we have found Sasquatch. Me and my daughter and son
had all found Sasquatch footprints on the Appalachian Trail, and
I believe they used the appalach Trail to travel north
and south. And you know, there's a lot of Sasquatch
I believe that are on that trail. But you know,
there has been people that's you know, disappeared off of
that trail too. But you know, we used to go
out hiking there all the time, and we have found
sasquatch footprints, you know, out than it woulds. But you know,
never never anything. And I don't even know what a
dog man print would look like. You know, if it
looked like a regular canine print just ten times in size,
you know, I wouldn't know what to look for. But
I definitely have definitely encountered sasquatch footprints on the Appalation Trail.
Speaker 2: Well, if you think about that area around the ep
the Appalation Trail, I mean, it's a perfect habitat for
these guys. So I think if we had a clue
how many dog men were around that Appalation Trail, we
wouldn't know what to do. Right, Yes, I bet you
your shop was so close to where you had that encounter.
Did you have to drive through that exact area where
your encounter happened? Often? Due to working for that plumbing company.
Speaker 1: Every day every day that I worked there, I drove
down that road.
Speaker 2: Well, I can only imagine how difficult that must have
been after you had that experience.
Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't difficult it was that. You know, I
I paid very close attention going down that road every
single day, and I know right the spot where this
disencounter happened, and you know, I never never saw it again.
And I worked at that company for about two and
a half years, and every day I drove that road
and always look for it. And there was times that
I came there and with my kids and we would
walk the c Ando Canal looking to see if we
could find any footprints or any kind of evidence, like
we don't know if they make tree structures, if they
make any kind of markers like sasquatch does. We really
just don't know anything about it, you know. And I
was trying to just see if we could find any
other evidence of them being there. And we were very
unsuccessful at finding any kind of evidence of dog men
being present there on the Cno Canal trail, you know,
when we went there looking in that spot where I
had that encounter.
Speaker 2: Well, when they want to hide their presence, are awfully
good at doing that. So just because he didn't find
any evidence, that doesn't mean that there's not a good
population there. You never know, you really don't, That's right.
We're about half an hour in. Normally this far in
i'd have a pretty good bead on the answer to
this next question. But with you, Matt, I have no clue.
You said you want to be a researcher, so that
makes me lean in the direction of yes to a
certain degree as far as the answer to this next question,
I'm about to throw at you. But in other ways,
listening to you talk about certain things, it makes me
wonder if the answer isn't probably going to be no.
What I'm getting at is, if you had your druthers,
would you like to see a dog man again someday.
Speaker 1: Under the circumstances that I saw the one that I've
seen absolutely, because it was a safe encounter. I was
not threatened, I was not attacked. There was no nails,
you know, scratching on my windows, you know, there was
no terror that I've read about some encounters. My counter
was whatever was was, I felt like it was being pressured,
it was being you know, it felt like it was
being pursued, and it had to take the risk to
run out in front of me and disappear on the
other side. So I got full view of the thing
without any kind of side effects that would have been negative. So, yeah,
I'm you know, or see one at a distance. Absolutely,
I would would like to see one, but I'm not
going out of the woods at dark, in the middle
of the night with a head lamp on and doing
anything crazy looking for.
Speaker 2: No. I understand, I get it. And you said that
you got the impression that it felt pressured. That brings
us back to the gunshots. Have you considered the possibility
that those gunshots you heard just might have been fired
from a ranger that had been shooting added.
Speaker 1: It could have been Absolutely could have been, you know,
And I paid close attention going down the rest of
the that road, but I never saw no rangers trucks,
I never saw any other vehicles parked alongside the road
or anything else. But absolutely could have been a ranger
shooting at it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like it's totally possible.
Speaker 1: But I did not see the ranger, you know, because
I was absolutely looking for a ranger when I came
through there the rest of that road.
Speaker 2: Oh, no, I understand, I get it. As it ran
into view in front of your truck, did it ever
look at you.
Speaker 1: No, it did not turn its head look at me.
It was looking directly in front of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it was trying to planet's escape so it
didn't get shot at. Again, it's hard to say.
Speaker 1: It did look at me before it took off running.
Like when I first saw it, it was looking at me.
And then it took off running and ran in front
of my truck and went up to, like I said,
to the underbrush and then stood up, walked and then
went into the woods. And this thing's cod was identical
to a coyote coat. Okay, that was exact colors that
this thing was. It was multi colored, and it looked
just like a coyotes coat. But there's no way on
Earth is because coyotes don't walk on too deep and
this thing had As matter of fact, I went back
to the spot and I walked up to the woodline
where this thing disappeared. This thing definitely had to be
between six and seven foot tall for me to be
able to view as much of it as I could,
because I stood up in the brush and I'm five
foot eleven and it was just my head that was
above the brush line where you could see down to
the road where I could have a view of this. Say,
so this thing had to be at least six foot
to seven foot tall for me to be able to
see its shoulders and its neck and its head side profile.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a pretty common size for them. You said
it was looking directly at you when you first saw it.
Did you ever notice any be careful here? Did you
notice anything unusual about its eyes?
Speaker 1: I couldn't see its eyes. Yeah, I just noticed that
it was looking at me. I mean, you know, I
was focusing at the mass of what it was and
trying to identify with my mind, then focusing in on
its eyes. You know, I didn't see any glowing eyes
or anything like that. I did see canine fangs with
a side profile when it was walking parallel to the woods.
Speaker 2: Huh. Well, if you saw a fangs on it and
it was that distance from you, which wasn't that far,
but it must have been the least fairly sizable.
Speaker 1: Yes, they were very definitely sizeable. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely. But
what was striking to me is it didn't have a tail,
That's what And like I said, if they hadn't stood
up walked on two legs, I'm not convinced I would
have thought that it was a dog man. I would
have maybe it was a it was a wolf, but
wolfs don't walk on two feet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, coyotes don't either. They don't. Well, I'm sorry, please continue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's and its colors were identical to
a coyote or a timberwolf that you see in the
wild or you know, I've never seen a wolf in
the wild, but you see them on TV in Montana
and in Michigan and places like that, the gray the
gray wolves with the you know, white faces and the
and uh, I guess the multi colored coats that are
like gray and black and have different textures and different
colors in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a pretty commonly reported pattern for their coats,
the one you saw, So I believe you. Did it
ever give any indication that it might have been shot?
Speaker 1: No, I didn't, unless that's the reason that it was
running in a weird gait, like it's gate was really weird,
So it might have been shot. But there was no
blood or nothing like that, you know, anywhere to be found.
Because I got out of the truck and walked around
after I backed up, because I couldn't believe what I
had just seen.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure you couldn't. Yeah, that's understandable. How paranoid
were you? Though, when you got out of the truck to.
Speaker 1: The ground, I really wasn't paranoid. I was shelf shocked
because of what I had seen, you know, I just
was in a I can't really describe the state of
mind that I was in other than being shelf shocked,
just mind blown as to what had just happened, you know.
But I wasn't scared of being a tack or a thing.
I felt like that thing it wanted to get away
from whatever, from something, and it was gone. It wasn't
coming back there. It wasn't going to cross the road
back in front of me. It wasn't watching me from
the woodline. That thing was was scooting boggy up out
of there. It wanted to be gone. So I didn't
feel like I was going to be attacked or anything
like that.
Speaker 2: Well that's a good thing that you felt comfortable enough
to get out and not be paranoid. That's good. You
said that his feet looked like here covered human feet.
How would you describe its leg structure.
Speaker 1: Though, See, its leg structure was not like a human beings.
It was definitely a crooked like a dog's you know
what I mean. It was like its rear legs looked
like it was. It was at a forty five degree
angle where a dog's would be, So I don't know
how it could stand up and walk on two legs
like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to understand, but they do it all
the time, they really do. Where it's ears laid back
or standing up.
Speaker 1: Ears were laid back when it ran in front of me,
and when it was standing up, its ears were up
like a German shepherd's, but its ears were laid back
with its head as it was running in front of me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes you wonder if it's sears were laid
back because of your presence or because it had been
shot at, or at least it seems like it had
been shot at. Maybe the gunshots were due to something else,
But we're never going to really know. All we can
do is guess.
Speaker 1: We're not going to do now, and that's all we
can do guess. But I fervently believe that those gunshots
and that creature were connected.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised. I don't doubt you on that.
I think you're probably right about that that whoever was
doing the shooting was shooting it in But yeah, that's
one of the things we don't know. Definitively, all we
can do is skies for everyone in the live chat.
If you have any questions you want me to ask
Matt here, please type them in all caps. That way
I don't miss them, hopefully not going to miss them
that way. If you have the opportunity to shoot a
dog mea Matt, would you.
Speaker 1: Absolutely not, not unless it was a self defense. If
I felt like it was going to attack me, then yes.
But I would never take a shot at a dog
man one. I believe that they deserve to live. It
hasn't done anything to me. I would not take a
shot at it. I believe in human life. I couldn't
just take the life of something like that just because
and killing it trying to prove its existence I know
would be futile. And I would never want to kill
a dog man. I would never shoot at one. I
would never shoot at a sasquatch. First of all, I
believe the sasquatch has got the personality or god it
has a soul like a human being. A dog man
I do not know. But I would not just shoot
a dog man for any for any reason other than
self defense.
Speaker 2: There's no future in trying to shoot these guys. So
for a lot of reasons, I'm glad that you don't
want to do that. That's good, it definitely is. Had
you heard about any strange creatures being I did in
that area before you had that encounter, you told us
about I think lizard men.
Speaker 1: But I've heard about I've read about lizardmen on the internet.
Okay about people and somebody I think it was in
North Carolina or South Carolina, that had an encounter with
a lizardman and a lady I believe in Kentucky claimed
that she saw a lizardman dragging a dead dog man
like it had killed it and it was dragging it,
and she said it looked just like the lizardman from
the Spider Man movie. And those stories are available on
the internet if you look. I wouldn't be able to
give you a link or tell you where it was.
And I read those stories years ago. But when I
read those stories, I laughed and said, that's that's that's
just nuts. So there's no way. And when I read
the dog man stories, I did not believe any dog
man existed. And I was looking in the Sasquatch at
the time because I was pretty much convey that they
did exist, and was doing research on notice when I
started looking into the cryptids, and I would have said
to anybody that told me that dog man existed, your nuts,
there's no such thing. Yes, I do believe in sasquatch,
and a sasquatch exists. Why couldn't dog man exists? Because
dog things just aren't going to show humanistic traits and
they're not going to walk around on two legs, and
there's just no such things. That's complete mythology. I would never, ever,
ever have believed that without Without what happened.
Speaker 2: Oh, you can't be blamed for having those feelings. I mean,
after all, ever since we learned how to speak, it's
hammered into our heads that the world's a certain way,
there are no monsters, everything so predictable. One day I
witnesses find out that they've been living a lie, and
that just changes everything, It really does.
Speaker 1: Yes, I knew that I was smarter than the experts
because the thing that didn't exist was in front of me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it. I understand some people they feel
anger when they have a dog man encounter because it's
revealed to them it's crystal clear that they've been living
a lie. And if they've been living a lie pertaining
to dog men and cryptids and things like that, what
else have they been lied to ever since they learned
how to comprehend speech. Was there any anger on your
part after you had this experience, because you talk about
a paradigm shift. You told us about how before you
had this experience, you never would have believed that these
things could be real. And then one moment, one moment,
you go from believing that, and then the next moment,
after you have a dog man right there in front
of your truck, you know that that's not correct. Was
there any anger after it was revealed to you how
wrong you were? I, you know, just more distrust for
the government because I know that the government knows.
Speaker 1: All about them. I'm not a trusting person, and the
government has trained society to think a certain way toward cryptis,
even toward Bigfoot. Like most people, if you tell them
about Bigfoot, they're gonna they're gonna flaugh at you and
mock you and ridicule you. And that's the typical reaction
that you get from the general as public. And that
comes from I believe government brainwashing. You know that they've
brainwashed the people to believe that this is nonsense, and
you know, there's no such thing, and anybody believes it's
a as a whack job. And I wouldn't say that
there was anger. I would just say that it just
it was more conclusive evidence that you know, Yes, we
have been lied to, not just about the but about
a lot of things, you know, and it opens up
the realm of possibilities of what all else could be
out there, and the world lens that we look through
at the world has completely changed forever.
Speaker 2: That it is. Are you glad you know the truth
now or would you rather just not know?
Speaker 1: No? Absolutely, I'm glad that I know the truth. You know.
I'm I'm very aware of my surroundings, and you know,
I I'm glad that I know because even if I
encroached into their territory, and I would want to know
the signs early so that I could get out of
their territory, you know, before any kind of negative encounter
could occur, you know what I mean. You know, I
just like to look for I'd like to know what
signs that I could look for if people have knowledge
of them, you know, doing any kind of territorial marks
or anything like that. There's really just not a lot
of information out there about dog Man and about you know,
what people have actually seen. And you know, I have
nothing to gain by coming out with us, absolutely nothing.
It is not my job to prove to the world
that these things exist. My mere reason for sharing my
information is for her people that know that they exist,
to maybe get some tidbits of information out of what
I want. My encounter was that might be able to
help them in their scientific studies of what could be
uncovered out there.
Speaker 2: Well less awfully admirable you have those concerns. Most people wouldn't.
They wouldn't care at all about that. You only lived
about thirty miles from where you had that encounter, which
makes me wonder. Did you ever suffer in the unexplained
losses of cattle back men around that time?
Speaker 1: None whatsoever? No, none, No chickens. We had chickens disappear,
and I do believe that that was sasquatch related, because
the chicken coop, the door was shut at night when
we left, and there would be chickens in the thing
here and there, and the door was locked, and there
were no evidence of any creatures digging underneath the fence
or anything else, you know. But yeah, we would have
chickens that would disappear mysteriously, but never any cattle or
anything like that. Huh.
Speaker 2: He probably didn't have any around then, So that's good
to know.
Speaker 1: Well, I believe, I believe there's more sasquatch than there
is dog man. I do fervently believe that. Oh.
Speaker 2: I agree. If you consider the fact that sasquatch or omnivores,
and they can get by eating meat or vegetation other
things like that, they've got a lot more options, a
lot more resources to sustain themselves. But dogmen, being obligate carnivores,
it's a lot harder for them to scratch out a living.
They still do very well at it's because of the
physical specimens they are. But yeah, I think you're right.
I think there definitely are more sasquatch than dogmen out there.
I agree. Well, what about forty five minutes in so
I'm going to start asking some questions now from the
live chat. The first one is from to be or
not to be, and they want to know when it
stood up, did the arm seem longer than usual to
its body?
Speaker 1: I could only see that, you know, so much of
its upper arm. I couldn't see the entire length of
the arms.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure you had so much going through your
mind at the time you were doing good to know
which way was up? Also, yes, yeah, that's understandable. This
next one is from P. W. Harris and they want
to know, Matt, did the dog man appeared injured or
have any blood on it?
Speaker 1: Right now? What was that?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Oh, no problem. They want to know, did
the dog man appear injured or have any blood on it?
Speaker 1: I could not see any injuries or any blood anywhere
on it.
Speaker 2: Was it moving so fast you'd have a hard time
seeing it?
Speaker 1: Dor, No, it was not moving that fast. It was
running at a good pace, but you know, nothing where
it was a blur. I could I could see the
entire thing running. I mean it if I had to
guess a speed thirteen miles an hour, nothing crazy.
Speaker 2: I got ahead of myself. I should have set up
Robert mcgoo's question. That was the question that he had
for you. He wanted to know, Matt, good show, how
fast was it, buddy? And then you just answered that
for us, So thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: This next one is from Chris Siler, and Chris wants
to know was there a smell before the encounter?
Speaker 1: No smell at all. I mean I was in my
truck driving.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're driving that time of year, yeah, I
don't think you're gonna have the windows down, so that
makes sense. This next one is from Al Santa Riga hell.
Al wants to know how tall was it? On? Two feet?
I think you already answered that though you said six
to seven feet. Yep, so we can mark that one
is taken care of. The next one is from Alex Midnight.
He wants to know have you heard of the Carnival
Cruz ship monster? I sure haven't.
Speaker 1: No, I have not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wonder what that's all about.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hard to say. This next one's from himI, and
himI wants to know. I'm sorry, Jamie, I apologize. Jamie
wants to know, Matt, you said it didn't have a tail.
Do you think that was natural or it? Did? It
seem like it was missing from an injury?
Speaker 1: I think it was natural.
Speaker 2: You think it was natural? Yeah, you might be right
about that. Seems like some dogmen have tails, others don't.
I don't buy into this nonsense that if they don't
have tails, they're where wolves and if they do have
tails or dog men, I could be wrong about that,
but I definitely don't buy that. I don't. The next
one up is from Kyle. Kyle wants to know was
it running from you?
Speaker 1: No, it was not running for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, earlier on he said that he's pretty sure it
was running from whoever it shot at it, or actually
shot it.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: The next one's from Moondogs. The chat's moving so fast
it's hard to keep up and be accurate. Beatrice Ward
wants to know. Did its fur look nicer scraggly?
Speaker 1: They looked nice.
Speaker 2: That's the strange thing about these guys. Sometimes their fur
is really tidy and neat, it's like they just left
a salon or something, and other times it's just a mess.
So there's no rhyme nor reason.
Speaker 1: I've heard of encounters where they felt like the fur
was matted and you know, not neat at all. But
this thing looked like it had the fur of a
wolf or yeah, fur of a wolf. You know. There
wasn't matted or really long or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like I said, there's no rhyme nor reason. You
never know what you're going to get until you actually
see the dog man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's pull.
Speaker 2: Up another one. This one's from Fred Caserta and Fred
wants to know if you experienced any mind speak. No,
I didn't think he did. The next one's from Bianca Brown,
and Bianca wants to know did you see the head
and face clearly?
Speaker 1: Clearly?
Speaker 2: Yes, so you saw the face clearly, but not the eyes.
Speaker 1: Not the eyes, no, not any discerning features of the eyes.
Speaker 2: Was that because of shading or something else.
Speaker 1: You know, probably because it was moving so quick and
it was running, and I was trying to look at
the thing as a whole and gather as much mental
information as I could about it, because I knew within
three and a half seconds that this wasn't any kind
of normal animal. So my mind was set on gathering
as much mental information that I could get about this
thing as it ran in front of me, and I
just did not get a clear line of sight on
its eyeballs to see if they were you know, because
I've heard a lot of reports were glowing eyes and
like you know, nocturnal eyes and so forth like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I said, I mean, you're just doing good
to know your own name. I'm impressed by all the
details you noticed, so I think you did really well. PW.
Harris wants to know, Matt, were there any military bases
or an armory nearby?
Speaker 1: No, no military bases or armory nearby that area. There
is army lands probably thirty five miles away. Don't know
what kind of facility. There's a FEMA headquarters probably within
thirty miles away and Charlestown, West Virginia. That's a huge facility.
But as far as military government, that's that's the only
thing that's you know, near that area where I had
to encounter.
Speaker 2: I see that is a good question considering where it happened,
so I can understand why they wanted to know. A. C.
Kamui wants to know. Did it look frightened? Did it
look scared?
Speaker 1: I can't say that, you know, there was any kind
of visual signs that it was scared. I just felt
like in my spirit that it was pressured and that's
why it was running in front of me and taking,
you know, the risk of being completely seen by him
being I don't feel I felt like this thing wouldn't
normally run out in front of a truck like that
it's what I felt. But it was a feeling. It
wasn't you know, scientific information.
Speaker 2: That's one of the strange things about these guys. One
of the many strange things they do run out in
front of cars and trucks all the time without any
seeming rhyme nor reason for doing it. I don't know
if they do that just to try and make your
racker for fright factor or what, but he unfortunately, they
do that all the time. This next question is from
Red Tipped Savage. They want to know if you saw
any eye glow color. No, because you said you didn't
see the eyes. That makes sense. This next one is
from Sheene at West Coast dog Men Project. He wants
to know that did the dogman have tufts on its ears.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what toughs are.
Speaker 2: Like a lynx or a bobcat.
Speaker 1: They were very pointed, but I can't say that it
had toughs. I can't say for sure I didn't see
any toughs.
Speaker 2: Sometimes they have tufts, other times they don't. There's no
rhyme or reason on that either there isn't.
Speaker 1: It could have, but I didn't visually see that.
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, it was moving fast. It was
moving what thirteen miles an hour or so, and you're
just trying to take in the big picture so to
not notice something like if it had tufts on its
sears the tips of its eears, especially considering the fact
you said it had its ears pinned, that just makes
it that much harder to notice a detail like that.
So no harm, no foul, nuke. The DJ wants to
know what color was it now you answered that you
said it had a coyote ish tint to its coat,
But he does have a fresh question. He wants to know.
Was it muscular?
Speaker 1: No, it was not much. I did not see any
visual signs of it looking like a linebacker or a
muscle man or anything like that. I did not see
any kind of major muscle category like some reports have reported.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's another one of those things where sometimes
they're muscular, sometimes yor not. It's really hard to find
anything about these guys that's always going to be a
certain way. There are always variances. At least it seems
like that's the case. It looks like the cryptid huntress
Jessica just joined us. Say jess thanks for being here,
and if you haven't listened to the Cryptied Huntress's show.
You really should check it out. It's really easy to
find on YouTube. Let's see, was there another question? Okay, yeah,
there is one last one. Rob Jones wants to know
where it's Zr's backwards being. I guess he wants to
know if it's zero backwards might have been a sign
of being frightened. And then he wants to know where
the year is backwards. Yeah, he said that they were pinned,
so they were being held.
Speaker 1: Backwards and backwards as it was running.
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't think these guys get frightened all that easily.
So maybe it was. Maybe it wasn't. I wasn't there.
It's hard to say, so all I can do is
just go by what you noticed and what your opinions
are and what was going on. It looks like Jamie
has another question. She wants to know Mad, did you
see any tracks when you noticed chickens missing?
Speaker 1: No? I didn't see any tracks around there at all.
Speaker 2: No, I've got that question taken care of. Here's one
from Bang Bang, Wow, Bang Bang, you're late. We're gonna
have to have you stand in the hall here. I'm
just messing with you. Bang Bang wants to know did
it smile or smirk at you? No? And here's the
question from A. C. Kamui. She wants to know if
you smelled anything? And you answered that for us already.
And then there's another one from DJ Chris Mack and
Chris wants to know. Thanks for sharing, Matt, do you
think it may have been a younger dog man?
Speaker 1: It was either a younger one or a female, because
I didn't feel like it was. It meant, you know,
after looking into other sightings and the information that I
uncovered after my encounter, it did not meet the criteria
where I've heard stories of towering ten foot tall and
having gigantic arms and gigantic biceps. It didn't fall into
that category. So my guess is it was either a
young one or it was a female.
Speaker 2: You're probably right, it probably was a young one to
be that small cider. How much bigger they get it
looks like I like like, I'm sorry, I like ike.
As a question for you, he wants to know where
did this event take place. I don't know that you
want to get any more specific than Washington County, Maryland,
but I'll leave that too.
Speaker 1: It happened in Sharpsburg, Maryland on Canal Road and harpers
Ferry Road about a quarter mile down on Canal Road.
Speaker 2: That's pretty specific. Good man Ian Conzell wants to know
was it a boy or a girl?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, you know my guest says it was female
by the size, or it was a young one.
Speaker 2: I think you're probably right about that. Also, red tipped Savage,
that's a great name. He wants to know did you
ever notice any strange environmental things before or after, like
weird fog or shadows lights?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: All right? Another one one four years from Chris Siler.
Chris wants to know did you notice a helicopter at
any time during this encounter? Before or after?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Wow, this is easy. You're doing really well. How about
this one from to be or not to be? They
want to know if there were any cemeteries nearby? No,
know that you know of or you definitely know that
there weren't any cemeteries nearby.
Speaker 1: There's cemeteries nearby?
Speaker 2: Okay, well that makes it easy. Then sometimes they act
almost like guardians for cemeteries. Other times they don't. So yeah,
that's why I.
Speaker 1: Think they're attracted to cemeteries for some reason, and where
there's been a lot of them sighted in cemeteries. I've
read that online.
Speaker 2: It's funny we're talking about that. They also seem to
be drawn to Native a Miracle, Native American burial grounds.
And there was one show where we talked about that,
or asked the question if I can't remember if the
encounter happened in Oklahoma, but I asked the guest if
there are any Native American burial grounds nearby, And this
lady wrote me the meanest message, shaming me for asking that.
She thought it was unfair that I have the nerve
to ask that and whatnot. But I guess she didn't
realize that there's a trend there. It's a commonly reported
thing that Native American burial grounds are pretty close to
where dogman encounters tend to happen. Not in every case,
but there's a definite pattern there.
Speaker 1: It would seem definitely right where the encounters like that
happened around the Indian barrel grounds and around graveyards in general.
Speaker 2: Oh, definitely. This next one is from I'm not going
to say their name, but they want to know did
you feel any sense or dread? I'm sorry, any sense
of dread or the feeling of being watched none whatsoever. Right,
I've got another one for you from Acy Kamui. She
wants to know what did he think on his drive
home after seeing it.
Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't my drive home. I went to work
that day and it was absolutely on the forefront of
my mind all day long, and at lunchtime, I was,
you know, looking on my phone trying to research it.
It was blown away, and I was also contemplating should
I tell some of my coworkers what happened? You know,
because there was trucks. There was other trucks from the
same company that came in behind me. As I was,
you know, out of the truck walking around. You know,
there was other trucks that come down the road or
like what are you doing? I was like, oh, nothing,
you know, and I got on my truck and headed
on to work when other plumbing trucks come rolling up
behind me. And you know, but the answer to the
question was I wasn't going to discuss that with other
employees because I wasn't going to be ridiculed and mocked
and laughed at and made a clown out of a
company of or fifty employees.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't blame you. Yeah, there's no future to
even bring that up at work, especially of all places,
So yeah, it's a good idea not to I've got
the last question of the night for you from the
live chat from Cat and the Hat, and they want
to know, Matt, did you ever get any feelings of
the dog Man being supernatural in any way or did
it seem to be purely flesh and blood, I e. Physical.
Speaker 1: It seemed to be flesh and blood and physical.
Speaker 2: That makes it easy. I think that's it for all
the questions. Well, before we get out of here, Matt,
do you have any closing questions? I'm sorry, any closing
comments you'd like to.
Speaker 1: Share, I'm none whatsoever other than you know, it feels
good to finally to discuss it with a group of
people that are ready to accept it, and you know,
to get this knowledge off much that's been buried there
since this encounter in March of twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: Well glad to give you a platform to do it,
I really am. And please remember if you have any
other encounters that you do wind up needing help with,
and I'll always be there for you. All you have
to do is just let me know, and we'll schedule
another conversation to find out what's ailing you. Yep. So yeah,
please keep that in mind. But having said that, thanks
again so much for coming on and sharing the details
of that experience. Of course, we really appreciate it the
problem we do. Thanks again so much for your time,
and have a great night.
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, Oh you're welcome.
Speaker 2: We'll see. Well that's it for another show. Everybody, thanks
again so much for listening. I really do appreciate it.
And of course, if you've had a dogman encounter that
you need help dealing with, or maybe you just want
to come on the show and share your experience, please
go to Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report. If
you do that, then I'll contact you so we can
schedule a phone consultation and we'll take it from there.
But having said that, thanks again so much for listening,
and have a good night.