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much for joining us for another episode of dogm Mean

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Encounters Radio. Glad you're listening. Tonight's guest wishes to remain anonymous,

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and with that in mind, I'm just gonna call Matt

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on tonight's show. Matt, thanks so much for joining us.

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Thank you appreciate you being here. Matt, please give us

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a brief bio on yourself.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm fifty four years old, so I've been around

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the block of time or two. You know, I've worked

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hard all my life and the construction trade and doing

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service work in the construction trade. I'm retired from the

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from construction trade, and you know, I like to you know,

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after my experience with dog Man and I'd like to

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investigate cryptids. I spent a lot of time studying them

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from the Internet and from other people's encounters and trying

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to gain as much knowledge as I can. As one

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of my favorite hobbies to do. And I'm a Christian.

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I go to church three times a week, read the

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Bible every day, and I pray, believe in Jesus Christ

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as my Lord and Savior. And you know, that's that's

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pretty much who I am as a person.

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Speaker 2: You're a good man, definitely, and you talk about it turnaround.

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From what I understand, you would have laughed at anyone

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who had the nerve to tell you about seeing something

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like a dog man before you had your own encounter.

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How much of a shock was it to you to

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actually see one that morning?

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Speaker 1: It was absolutely mind blowing to visually see and I

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mean not just for a glimpse or something that flashed

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in front of me through the woods, but I got

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to view this thing for a good twenty seconds before

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it disappeared into the woods. I got to view it

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running on four legs, and I got to view it

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walking on two legs, and a side profile of it,

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of a perfect view of it on a bright sunny

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morning in early March, and as it walked into the

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woodline beside the river and disappeared into the brush.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is pretty so bring to goo from being

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convinced that things like that aren't out there, to all

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of a sudden you've got a dog man right in

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front of you. That. Yeah, If that doesn't sober you

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up to reality, I really don't know what will. You've

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got strong feelings behind why you decided that you wanted

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to be a guest on the show. Please expand on

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that for us.

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Speaker 1: I do I believe that the well, I know for

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a fact that the government has to know about these things.

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The government's probably done extensive scientific studies on these They

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probably know all their habits. They probably know what the

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birth rates are, what the you know, if the mother

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stays with young for so many years, when do they separate,

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if they're family groups, if they travel in packs, if

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they're nomads. I mean, there's a lot of information that

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I would like to know about these en cryptids, because

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the government's never going to reveal that they've done anything

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or that they know anything about them. So I would

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like to share my experience and get the information that

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I have out there to the public so that it

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can be used. And the only way that we're going

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to find out anything about these creatures is a bout

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people coming forward and discussing, you know, what they've what

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they've witnessed, so that we can come through some conclusions

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about you know, some of their habits and about what

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they do and what they are, and if they're dangerous

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or if they're not dangerous, you know, and so much

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of you know, you know, of those types of things.

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Speaker 2: It really is an unfortunate fact. But until society as

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a whole becomes a lot more comfortable with the idea

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of talking about these things and their existence, people are

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just going to keep it under Absolutely they have been

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all this time. Sasquatch is becoming more and more accepted

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in society. But I don't know that dogmen ever will.

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I guess time will tell. It's hard to say what's

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going to happen in the future, but I really would

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be awfully surprised as if that ever does happen. But

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like I said, we'll see your sighting happened in Washington

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County and Maryland. Did it happen in a remote part

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of the county or was it fairly populated there?

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Speaker 1: It would be considered a rural area where it happened at,

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but it was by no means an unpopulated area. It

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is certainly populated. You can't go too far without running

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into human beings in the area That happened at if

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anybody wanted to Google Earth, that the sighting happened on

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Canal Road and probably a quarter mile off of Harper's

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Ferry Road at those two intersections. A quarter mile down

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Canal Road and Washington County, Maryland, right beside the Potomac

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River and the Sino Canal. It's actually on the Sino

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Canal Towpath, is what it's called. And many, many, many

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people go there hiking every day and walking their dogs.

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So it's a very popular area where this thing was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how it is. Sometimes they do go in

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areas that are pretty well popular. Didn't used So don't

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think for a second you know better than this. But

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I'm sure there are people listening who think that because

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where they go for walks in the park there are

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a lot of people that precludes the chance of having

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a dog me in the encounter. Well, yeah, that's pretty

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flawed thinking, because people in areas like that they still

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have encounters. You raise count, you raise cattle at the

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time of your encounter, But how far did you live

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from the scene of that experience.

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Speaker 1: I lived probably thirty miles away from this from that sighting,

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and I did raise cattle at the time, I had

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a small hobby farm, and I had seven cattle on

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the you know, in my fields. And the reason I

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bring that up is because I had, you know, I

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had discernment for weight because of cattle, because you know,

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everything about cattle when it comes to pricing, is based

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on the weight of the cows. So I could look

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at a cow and say, Okay, that cow's probably between

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four hundred and fifteen five hundred and fifty pounds and

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ninety six seven percent of the time, I would be

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dead accurate somewhere in that weight range. That's what that

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cow would weigh when we would take it to auction.

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So I wanted to mention that because I was able

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to get such a good sighting and view of this thing,

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that I was able to estimate its weight of between

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two hundred and fifty and three hundred and fifty pounds

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as what I would guess that this thing probably weighed.

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Speaker 2: For most people, i'd kind of wonder how accurate their

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estimate was about the weight. But with you being so

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well practiced on guessing weight of creatures and all, I

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guess that wouldn't pertain to you. But what I'm getting

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at here is there is a scientific principle called squarecube law,

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where it basically states, if you take an object and

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increase its size by factor of two, keep the proportions

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the same, then its weight will increase by a factor

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of eight. To highlight this, if you take a cube

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that's one foot by one foot by one foot, and

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that cube weighs one hundred pounds, well if you increase

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it to the size of two feet by two feet

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by two feet, basically double its size, then it's going

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to weigh eight times more eight hundred pounds. To highlight that, basically,

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if you take two blocks that are a foot by

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foot by a foot, put them side by side, and

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take two more blocks that are a foot by a

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foot by a foot, put them behind that the row

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of two blocks. There, you've got four blocks on the bottom,

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and repeat that with another layer on top for a

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total of eight blocks. Well, now your structure is two

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feet by two feet by two feet, but it took

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eight blocks that were one foot by one foot by

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one foot to make it. So if each one of

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those blocks weigh one hundred pounds, that's where I'm getting at.

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That's what square cube lab states. Well, when people they

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talk about seeing ten foot tall dog men and they

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estimate this weight to be five hundred pounds, six hundred pounds.

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You can see why that's got to be way off

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again with you, Matt, you know animals and how much

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they weigh. So I'm not saying that's the case with you,

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but with a lot of eyewitnesses. It is so just

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something I wanted to shed some light on there. How

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much trouble have you had coming to the sudden reality

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that there are actually things out there like dog men? Matt.

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I mean we've touched on this a little bit, but

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you've gone a long way from being a total skeptic

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denying the possibility they could be out there, to now

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you want to be a researcher and look for these things.

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That's when hekva change and about face.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to look for them in a field.

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I want to look for them on the internet and

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do my studying on the internet and try to learn

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as much as I can about them on the internet.

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From my experience and what happened and what I've seen

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has changed my world in my perspective as to what's

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out there. And I always have a joy going camping.

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I have adult children now and every once in a

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while we all get together and we go on camping trips.

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That experience has affected where I go camping and when

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we are camping. I have eyes in the back of

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my head and I'm always armed when I go camping,

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And even if it's an area that you know you're

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not allowed to have firearms, I'm going to have a

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firearm because I'm it's better to go to jail than

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to lose my life if something like that were to

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engage us, you know. And like I said, I don't

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know if they're dangerous. I've heard of violent encounters, but

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personally what I saw, I'm pretty sure that I think

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can tear you from limb to limb. And I want

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to be I want to have protect and when I'm

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out there on the field and going camping, I would

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never go camping in a royal area just by ourselves

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and setting up a learning tent. The only way that

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we'll go camping now is in an actual family campground

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that is packed out and surrounded by a lot of people.

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I do not want to be alone out in a

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wilderness camping or anything like that because of what I've seen.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's understandable. I just hate the fact that this

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experience that you had has changed your love for the

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woods so much. I know you could still obviously love

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the woods and enjoy being out there, at least to

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a certain degree. But the fact that you can't do

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some of the things that you used to do, that's

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sad to me. I don't like hearing that. But again,

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it's totally understandable. I do get it, all right, man.

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Please tell us about your encounter. Now, give us every

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last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: Well, that morning started out. I was at work, and

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we were outside, and we were loading up our trucks

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and getting prepared for the day, and I was talking

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with my boss. And this was probably six forty five

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in the morning, six fifty in the morning, and all

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of a sudden, a high powered gun shot rang out.

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And there's no hunting season in in the beginning of March,

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and me and my boss kind of looked at each other,

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It's like, you know, who's shooting that here? And then

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I'd say, probably about five minutes later, we heard another

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shot rang now, and as a hunter and as a

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woodsman and knowing firearms, and both of us looked at

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each other and said, well, that's somebody who just gave

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away their position. Because you could shoot once in the

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forest and nobody's going to know your position, but if

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you shoot a second time, then you've given away your position.

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So we thought, whoever is out there hunting illegally or

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whatever they're doing, just gave away their position. And if

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there's park rangers around, sure very well could be because

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they're always through there, then they're going to locate that individual.

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power of rifle. So we didn't give it any other

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thought or anything else. And I went and got in

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my truck. I was by myself, and I headed out

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for the day, and I headed down Harper's Ferry Road

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and I turned on Canal Road and, like I said,

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probably a quarter mile going down Canal Road, headed toward

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Sharpsburg Pike, right beside the Cno Canal and right beside

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the Potomac River. To my left and to my right

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was there there was a hill climb, there was an

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incline that went up a hill, and there was a

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lot of underbrush where you know, fields were left untended

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and you know, briars and everything else. And gum trees

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and everything else was growing up. And then there was woods,

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probably twenty five feet of brush of underbrush, and then

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there was woods, and there was a woodline, and I

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noticed an object to my left that was actually on

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the Sino Canal, where hundreds of people hike and walk

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and walk their dogs and listen to music as they're

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walking and everything else on a daily routine there on

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that Sino Canal. What I noticed turned and was running

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toward my truck. And I'm looking at this thing, and

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it was the color of a coyote. And I'm thinking,

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in my brain's telling me coyote. But I'm looking at

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it and it's too big to be a coyote. Like

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I said, I can guess it's weight, and I guess

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it's estimated its weight to be between two hundred and

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fifty and three hundred and fifty pounds. It was every

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bit of almost four feet off of the ground to

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its back to from its back down to the ground,

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you know, as it was running. Then the thought came

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to me that that's not a coyote. And then I said,

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is that a timber wolf? And there's no wolfs in Maryland,

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No wolfs are supposed to be anywhere in Maryland at all. Period.

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I've never seen a wolf in the wild in my

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entire life. I've spent a lot of time out in

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the woods in Maryland, never any wolfs. I've seen coyotes

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out in the woods plenty of times, black bears, bobcats,

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things of that nature, but never a wolf. There's not

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supposed to be any in the state of Maryland. So

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this thing is running from the Cno Canal from my left,

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running toward toward toward my truck, in front of my truck.

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And as it started getting directly in front of my truck,

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I knew in my mind, I was like, I need

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to pay attention for details as to what this is,

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because I was curious. It was an unidentified creature that

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was running in front of my truck. So as it

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was running in front of me, I know is that

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its shoulders and its front legs were higher up off

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the ground than its rear legs and its rear end,

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you know, like it was less than four feet on

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a three end, so it had like a slant and

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where its rear end was lower to the ground than

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it was at his shoulders. And I noticed that it's

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run its gate didn't look like a natural gait of

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a dog. And I saw this thing's feet and it

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looked like human feet, but they were fur covered its

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rear feet. I didn't look at the front feet. I

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could never saw the front feet. Can't tell you what

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the front feet looked like, but I saw its rear poles.

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It kind of looked like small human feet that were

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covered with fur. I noticed that it had no tail,

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which then I was like, wow, this is really strange.

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And it had a white bottom like you would see

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on a chimpanzee or a baboon. It had a white

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round fur around its bottom, n around it anal area,

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you know. And then it disappeared into the underbrush that

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was on the right hand side of my truck. Well,

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then the truck passed the area where this thing had

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run out in front, and I stopped the truck. I

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was like, what in the world was this thing? So

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then I put the truck into reverse and I backed up,

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and I looked up to my right and threw all

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this thicket and this underbrush, and I literally saw this

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thing stand up on two feet and start walking, and

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it was walking parallel to the woodline. And it turned

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nonchalantly and walked into the woods and it disappeared. Then

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the thought came to me that these high powered shots

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that I heard, because my shop was only one thousand

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yards away from this incident where this happened. And the

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thought came to me, these high powered shots that I

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heard had to be connected to this creature because if

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these things, you know, I didn't know anything at all

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about these but it's supposed to be I figured, it's

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supposed to be intelligent. But this thing ran right in

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front of me and fully exposed itself. Okay, it was

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not hidden at all, and I was able to get

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a view of it from its nose, you know, all

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the way to its rear end. And the thought came

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to me that these shots had to be affiliated. I

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felt like it was being pressured, like it was being pushed,

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It was being hunted. Somebody was taking shots at this thing.

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And that's why it took the risk and ran out

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in front of me. Because if I had been able

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to hit it with the truck, you know, and kill it,

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I mean this, there probably would have been a government

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cleanup crew or something of that nature, you know, But

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this thing took a risk of exposing itself to me,

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and if it hadn't stood up on two legs and walked,

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I might have thought that it was a deformed timberwolf,

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and maybe that there's timberwolves in Maryland, now, you know.

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I was really just mind blown by what I was

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visually seeing. My mind was having trouble identifying what I

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was looking at that was running out in front of me.

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You could not, and no person on earth could have

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told me that these things were real, and I would

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have believed them. I don't care. If you would have

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had photographs of this thing, I would have told you

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that's fake. There's no way that that's real. So I

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was really, really, really baffled when I saw this thing.

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This is the first time that I've come out of

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the woodwork to tell anybody or share my experience with

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what I've seen. The reason that I am is because

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I think that you know one from a scientific as fact.

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I think there's knowledge to be gained from what I've seen.

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I also think that the public should be aware of

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what's out there. I mean, there's people that are walking

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on our towpath every single day, and there's stuff like

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this that are out there in the woods, and I mean,

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you know, if there's other people out there that live

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in the area that listen to your podcast that have

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seen these things, you know, maybe they'll yeah, man, I

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live in this area and I see them all the time,

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and they'll come out of the woodwork. This happened in

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twenty eighteen, in March, and this is how long I've

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kept it to myself. I did tell my kids about

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it and ate both my adult children, ones nineteen and

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the other ones twenty four at the time that happened,

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and they both laughed at me, and they don't believe me.

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But I honestly believe they do believe me now. But that's,

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you know, pretty much the reason that you know, I've

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kept silent all these years. It's not like you can,

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you know, call up the mainstream meeting and tell them

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what you saw, because they're going to brand you as

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a looty tune and they're not going to they're not

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going to put the news out there whatsoever that you

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saw this. And there's really nobody you can call. You know,

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you call a government official and you might not like

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what happened. So I know better than to call the

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government and tell them anything. And the other thing. I didn't.

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The reason I didn't want to come out and say

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what happened and where it happened just because I don't

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want a bunch of yahoo's going in there and disturbing

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this thing. If it's living there, then let it live

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there in peace. You know, we as human beings sometimes

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destroy things that we don't understand. So I had concerns

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that maybe somebody would come in there and try to

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kill it or something like that. So I just, you know,

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didn't want to say anything, but I felt like it

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was time to come out publicly and say what the

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you know, what I had seen, And now I don't

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have to question whether these things exist. Now I know

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for a fact that these things exist. I've also, through

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my studies, have heard of people talking about encounters with

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a lizard man. And before this encounter, I had also

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heard about a lizard man, but I would have dismissed

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that as completely crackpot stuff, absolutely nuts, blah blah blah.

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But now I question rather if those things are real.

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I do not want to see one. I have no

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intentions of going out looking and seeing, but you if

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this thing is real, what else is out there is?

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What I'm left with an amazing experience.

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Speaker 2: When you have an experience like that, it definitely changes

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your line of thinking. It really does make you wonder

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what is out there and what can't be out there

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if these guys really are so I get it, I

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really do. And you're probably going to think I'm crazy

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for telling you this, Matt, But we've got forests around

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here where I live, and when I get a chance

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to sneak away to clear my thoughts, I like to

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go walking in this big forest here, and I'll walk

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miles and miles without anyone else with me, and without

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a gun or any other weapon. And this is a

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forest where it could hold an army of dog men

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and sasquatch. And a fact, how long ago was it?

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Maybe five six years ago? I was walking through with

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my brother one day and he found a sasquatch print.

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He called me back and brought it to my attention. Well,

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I mean game galore, moving the water has got everything

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these guys could possibly want. You probably think I'm crazy

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for doing that, But I wouldn't do that if I

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haven't spoken with so many eyewitnesses who've reinforced the point

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that these guys aren't wired to rip us apart as

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soon as the opportunity presents itself. I'll never say the

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dog men are safe to be around, because just like

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anything else, you're gonna have dangerous dog men, just like

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you're gonna have dangerous sasquatch and horses, pigs, goats, you

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name it. But what matters to me is are they

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or aren't they wired? As a group is a hole

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to rip us apart as soon as the opportunity presents itself.

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And since the answer to that is clearly no, that's

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why I go out on these walks and have a

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great time. I've literally walked hundreds and hundreds of miles

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through that forest, sometimes after dark. So that's just something

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to keep in mind.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and you know, and I understand that. And there's

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people that hike the appalach Trail all the time, and

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we have found Sasquatch. Me and my daughter and son

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had all found Sasquatch footprints on the Appalachian Trail, and

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I believe they used the appalach Trail to travel north

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and south. And you know, there's a lot of Sasquatch

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I believe that are on that trail. But you know,

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there has been people that's you know, disappeared off of

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that trail too. But you know, we used to go

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out hiking there all the time, and we have found

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sasquatch footprints, you know, out than it woulds. But you know,

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never never anything. And I don't even know what a

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dog man print would look like. You know, if it

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looked like a regular canine print just ten times in size,

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you know, I wouldn't know what to look for. But

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I definitely have definitely encountered sasquatch footprints on the Appalation Trail.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you think about that area around the ep

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the Appalation Trail, I mean, it's a perfect habitat for

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these guys. So I think if we had a clue

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how many dog men were around that Appalation Trail, we

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wouldn't know what to do. Right, Yes, I bet you

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your shop was so close to where you had that encounter.

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Did you have to drive through that exact area where

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your encounter happened? Often? Due to working for that plumbing company.

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Speaker 1: Every day every day that I worked there, I drove

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down that road.

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Speaker 2: Well, I can only imagine how difficult that must have

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been after you had that experience.

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Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't difficult it was that. You know, I

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I paid very close attention going down that road every

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single day, and I know right the spot where this

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disencounter happened, and you know, I never never saw it again.

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And I worked at that company for about two and

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a half years, and every day I drove that road

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and always look for it. And there was times that

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I came there and with my kids and we would

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walk the c Ando Canal looking to see if we

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could find any footprints or any kind of evidence, like

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we don't know if they make tree structures, if they

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make any kind of markers like sasquatch does. We really

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just don't know anything about it, you know. And I

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was trying to just see if we could find any

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other evidence of them being there. And we were very

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unsuccessful at finding any kind of evidence of dog men

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being present there on the Cno Canal trail, you know,

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when we went there looking in that spot where I

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had that encounter.

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Speaker 2: Well, when they want to hide their presence, are awfully

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good at doing that. So just because he didn't find

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any evidence, that doesn't mean that there's not a good

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population there. You never know, you really don't, That's right.

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We're about half an hour in. Normally this far in

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i'd have a pretty good bead on the answer to

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this next question. But with you, Matt, I have no clue.

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You said you want to be a researcher, so that

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makes me lean in the direction of yes to a

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certain degree as far as the answer to this next question,

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I'm about to throw at you. But in other ways,

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listening to you talk about certain things, it makes me

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wonder if the answer isn't probably going to be no.

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What I'm getting at is, if you had your druthers,

478
00:28:37,839 --> 00:28:46,519
would you like to see a dog man again someday.

479
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,079
Speaker 1: Under the circumstances that I saw the one that I've

480
00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:50,599
seen absolutely, because it was a safe encounter. I was

481
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,480
not threatened, I was not attacked. There was no nails,

482
00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:57,440
you know, scratching on my windows, you know, there was

483
00:28:57,519 --> 00:29:02,640
no terror that I've read about some encounters. My counter

484
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,640
was whatever was was, I felt like it was being pressured,

485
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,880
it was being you know, it felt like it was

486
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,519
being pursued, and it had to take the risk to

487
00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:13,559
run out in front of me and disappear on the

488
00:29:13,599 --> 00:29:16,119
other side. So I got full view of the thing

489
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:21,440
without any kind of side effects that would have been negative. So, yeah,

490
00:29:21,599 --> 00:29:24,799
I'm you know, or see one at a distance. Absolutely,

491
00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:27,279
I would would like to see one, but I'm not

492
00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:30,000
going out of the woods at dark, in the middle

493
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,680
of the night with a head lamp on and doing

494
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,000
anything crazy looking for.

495
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: No. I understand, I get it. And you said that

496
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,200
you got the impression that it felt pressured. That brings

497
00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:47,680
us back to the gunshots. Have you considered the possibility

498
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,599
that those gunshots you heard just might have been fired

499
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,640
from a ranger that had been shooting added.

500
00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: It could have been Absolutely could have been, you know,

501
00:29:57,599 --> 00:29:59,880
And I paid close attention going down the rest of

502
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,680
the that road, but I never saw no rangers trucks,

503
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,519
I never saw any other vehicles parked alongside the road

504
00:30:06,599 --> 00:30:09,359
or anything else. But absolutely could have been a ranger

505
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:10,039
shooting at it.

506
00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like it's totally possible.

507
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: But I did not see the ranger, you know, because

508
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,880
I was absolutely looking for a ranger when I came

509
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,720
through there the rest of that road.

510
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 2: Oh, no, I understand, I get it. As it ran

511
00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:28,200
into view in front of your truck, did it ever

512
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,880
look at you.

513
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: No, it did not turn its head look at me.

514
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,160
It was looking directly in front of it.

515
00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:38,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it was trying to planet's escape so it

516
00:30:38,319 --> 00:30:40,240
didn't get shot at. Again, it's hard to say.

517
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: It did look at me before it took off running.

518
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,000
Like when I first saw it, it was looking at me.

519
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,720
And then it took off running and ran in front

520
00:30:51,759 --> 00:30:54,720
of my truck and went up to, like I said,

521
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,440
to the underbrush and then stood up, walked and then

522
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,000
went into the woods. And this thing's cod was identical

523
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,680
to a coyote coat. Okay, that was exact colors that

524
00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:08,519
this thing was. It was multi colored, and it looked

525
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,240
just like a coyotes coat. But there's no way on

526
00:31:11,319 --> 00:31:13,920
Earth is because coyotes don't walk on too deep and

527
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,759
this thing had As matter of fact, I went back

528
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:19,000
to the spot and I walked up to the woodline

529
00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:22,759
where this thing disappeared. This thing definitely had to be

530
00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:26,799
between six and seven foot tall for me to be

531
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:28,839
able to view as much of it as I could,

532
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,240
because I stood up in the brush and I'm five

533
00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:34,160
foot eleven and it was just my head that was

534
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,200
above the brush line where you could see down to

535
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,599
the road where I could have a view of this. Say,

536
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,680
so this thing had to be at least six foot

537
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,920
to seven foot tall for me to be able to

538
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,680
see its shoulders and its neck and its head side profile.

539
00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a pretty common size for them. You said

540
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,279
it was looking directly at you when you first saw it.

541
00:31:56,039 --> 00:32:03,279
Did you ever notice any be careful here? Did you

542
00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:06,559
notice anything unusual about its eyes?

543
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,759
Speaker 1: I couldn't see its eyes. Yeah, I just noticed that

544
00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:14,519
it was looking at me. I mean, you know, I

545
00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:17,720
was focusing at the mass of what it was and

546
00:32:17,759 --> 00:32:21,000
trying to identify with my mind, then focusing in on

547
00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:23,920
its eyes. You know, I didn't see any glowing eyes

548
00:32:24,039 --> 00:32:28,920
or anything like that. I did see canine fangs with

549
00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:33,000
a side profile when it was walking parallel to the woods.

550
00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: Huh. Well, if you saw a fangs on it and

551
00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:40,920
it was that distance from you, which wasn't that far,

552
00:32:41,079 --> 00:32:43,920
but it must have been the least fairly sizable.

553
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: Yes, they were very definitely sizeable. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely. But

554
00:32:51,559 --> 00:32:53,359
what was striking to me is it didn't have a tail,

555
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,599
That's what And like I said, if they hadn't stood

556
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,319
up walked on two legs, I'm not convinced I would

557
00:32:58,319 --> 00:32:59,799
have thought that it was a dog man. I would

558
00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:02,319
have maybe it was a it was a wolf, but

559
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:04,480
wolfs don't walk on two feet.

560
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:13,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, coyotes don't either. They don't. Well, I'm sorry, please continue.

561
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's and its colors were identical to

562
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,599
a coyote or a timberwolf that you see in the

563
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,519
wild or you know, I've never seen a wolf in

564
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:25,119
the wild, but you see them on TV in Montana

565
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,519
and in Michigan and places like that, the gray the

566
00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:31,279
gray wolves with the you know, white faces and the

567
00:33:31,839 --> 00:33:35,960
and uh, I guess the multi colored coats that are

568
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,200
like gray and black and have different textures and different

569
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:39,799
colors in it.

570
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a pretty commonly reported pattern for their coats,

571
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,599
the one you saw, So I believe you. Did it

572
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,200
ever give any indication that it might have been shot?

573
00:33:53,799 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: No, I didn't, unless that's the reason that it was

574
00:33:58,039 --> 00:34:01,160
running in a weird gait, like it's gate was really weird,

575
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,880
So it might have been shot. But there was no

576
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,960
blood or nothing like that, you know, anywhere to be found.

577
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:09,639
Because I got out of the truck and walked around

578
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,840
after I backed up, because I couldn't believe what I

579
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:14,400
had just seen.

580
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,519
Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure you couldn't. Yeah, that's understandable. How paranoid

581
00:34:19,559 --> 00:34:21,239
were you? Though, when you got out of the truck to.

582
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: The ground, I really wasn't paranoid. I was shelf shocked

583
00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:31,440
because of what I had seen, you know, I just

584
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:38,239
was in a I can't really describe the state of

585
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,280
mind that I was in other than being shelf shocked,

586
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,719
just mind blown as to what had just happened, you know.

587
00:34:46,119 --> 00:34:48,320
But I wasn't scared of being a tack or a thing.

588
00:34:48,519 --> 00:34:50,880
I felt like that thing it wanted to get away

589
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,159
from whatever, from something, and it was gone. It wasn't

590
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:55,039
coming back there. It wasn't going to cross the road

591
00:34:55,079 --> 00:34:57,239
back in front of me. It wasn't watching me from

592
00:34:57,559 --> 00:35:01,280
the woodline. That thing was was scooting boggy up out

593
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,800
of there. It wanted to be gone. So I didn't

594
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,920
feel like I was going to be attacked or anything

595
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:07,360
like that.

596
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 2: Well that's a good thing that you felt comfortable enough

597
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,719
to get out and not be paranoid. That's good. You

598
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,519
said that his feet looked like here covered human feet.

599
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,320
How would you describe its leg structure.

600
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: Though, See, its leg structure was not like a human beings.

601
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,199
It was definitely a crooked like a dog's you know

602
00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:31,480
what I mean. It was like its rear legs looked

603
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,480
like it was. It was at a forty five degree

604
00:35:34,519 --> 00:35:37,360
angle where a dog's would be, So I don't know

605
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,840
how it could stand up and walk on two legs

606
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:40,199
like that.

607
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to understand, but they do it all

608
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,760
the time, they really do. Where it's ears laid back

609
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:49,679
or standing up.

610
00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: Ears were laid back when it ran in front of me,

611
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,480
and when it was standing up, its ears were up

612
00:35:56,519 --> 00:35:59,760
like a German shepherd's, but its ears were laid back

613
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,800
with its head as it was running in front of me.

614
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes you wonder if it's sears were laid

615
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,119
back because of your presence or because it had been

616
00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:10,239
shot at, or at least it seems like it had

617
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,519
been shot at. Maybe the gunshots were due to something else,

618
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:15,519
But we're never going to really know. All we can

619
00:36:15,559 --> 00:36:16,119
do is guess.

620
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: We're not going to do now, and that's all we

621
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:23,159
can do guess. But I fervently believe that those gunshots

622
00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:25,719
and that creature were connected.

623
00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised. I don't doubt you on that.

624
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,679
I think you're probably right about that that whoever was

625
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:37,760
doing the shooting was shooting it in But yeah, that's

626
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,719
one of the things we don't know. Definitively, all we

627
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,519
can do is skies for everyone in the live chat.

628
00:36:43,559 --> 00:36:45,519
If you have any questions you want me to ask

629
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:48,440
Matt here, please type them in all caps. That way

630
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,000
I don't miss them, hopefully not going to miss them

631
00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:54,239
that way. If you have the opportunity to shoot a

632
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:55,880
dog mea Matt, would you.

633
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: Absolutely not, not unless it was a self defense. If

634
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,639
I felt like it was going to attack me, then yes.

635
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,760
But I would never take a shot at a dog

636
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:14,360
man one. I believe that they deserve to live. It

637
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,559
hasn't done anything to me. I would not take a

638
00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:20,960
shot at it. I believe in human life. I couldn't

639
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,519
just take the life of something like that just because

640
00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:27,440
and killing it trying to prove its existence I know

641
00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:30,679
would be futile. And I would never want to kill

642
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,079
a dog man. I would never shoot at one. I

643
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:35,840
would never shoot at a sasquatch. First of all, I

644
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,360
believe the sasquatch has got the personality or god it

645
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,159
has a soul like a human being. A dog man

646
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,880
I do not know. But I would not just shoot

647
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,199
a dog man for any for any reason other than

648
00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:46,880
self defense.

649
00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 2: There's no future in trying to shoot these guys. So

650
00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:53,079
for a lot of reasons, I'm glad that you don't

651
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:57,800
want to do that. That's good, it definitely is. Had

652
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,800
you heard about any strange creatures being I did in

653
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,199
that area before you had that encounter, you told us

654
00:38:03,199 --> 00:38:04,599
about I think lizard men.

655
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: But I've heard about I've read about lizardmen on the internet.

656
00:38:10,039 --> 00:38:13,679
Okay about people and somebody I think it was in

657
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,960
North Carolina or South Carolina, that had an encounter with

658
00:38:18,039 --> 00:38:23,519
a lizardman and a lady I believe in Kentucky claimed

659
00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:27,960
that she saw a lizardman dragging a dead dog man

660
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,599
like it had killed it and it was dragging it,

661
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,159
and she said it looked just like the lizardman from

662
00:38:34,159 --> 00:38:37,519
the Spider Man movie. And those stories are available on

663
00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:39,239
the internet if you look. I wouldn't be able to

664
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:40,880
give you a link or tell you where it was.

665
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,880
And I read those stories years ago. But when I

666
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,639
read those stories, I laughed and said, that's that's that's

667
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,159
just nuts. So there's no way. And when I read

668
00:38:51,159 --> 00:38:54,239
the dog man stories, I did not believe any dog

669
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,039
man existed. And I was looking in the Sasquatch at

670
00:38:58,039 --> 00:39:00,559
the time because I was pretty much convey that they

671
00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:03,559
did exist, and was doing research on notice when I

672
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:07,119
started looking into the cryptids, and I would have said

673
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:10,079
to anybody that told me that dog man existed, your nuts,

674
00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:13,119
there's no such thing. Yes, I do believe in sasquatch,

675
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,920
and a sasquatch exists. Why couldn't dog man exists? Because

676
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:20,559
dog things just aren't going to show humanistic traits and

677
00:39:20,599 --> 00:39:22,840
they're not going to walk around on two legs, and

678
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,280
there's just no such things. That's complete mythology. I would never, ever,

679
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,079
ever have believed that without Without what happened.

680
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,519
Speaker 2: Oh, you can't be blamed for having those feelings. I mean,

681
00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:37,320
after all, ever since we learned how to speak, it's

682
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,360
hammered into our heads that the world's a certain way,

683
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:45,280
there are no monsters, everything so predictable. One day I

684
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,239
witnesses find out that they've been living a lie, and

685
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,039
that just changes everything, It really does.

686
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: Yes, I knew that I was smarter than the experts

687
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,119
because the thing that didn't exist was in front of me.

688
00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it. I understand some people they feel

689
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,559
anger when they have a dog man encounter because it's

690
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,199
revealed to them it's crystal clear that they've been living

691
00:40:14,199 --> 00:40:17,639
a lie. And if they've been living a lie pertaining

692
00:40:17,679 --> 00:40:20,639
to dog men and cryptids and things like that, what

693
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,480
else have they been lied to ever since they learned

694
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,320
how to comprehend speech. Was there any anger on your

695
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,440
part after you had this experience, because you talk about

696
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,079
a paradigm shift. You told us about how before you

697
00:40:33,079 --> 00:40:36,440
had this experience, you never would have believed that these

698
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,360
things could be real. And then one moment, one moment,

699
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,559
you go from believing that, and then the next moment,

700
00:40:42,639 --> 00:40:44,559
after you have a dog man right there in front

701
00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:47,719
of your truck, you know that that's not correct. Was

702
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,280
there any anger after it was revealed to you how

703
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:58,039
wrong you were? I, you know, just more distrust for

704
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:00,079
the government because I know that the government knows.

705
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:03,519
Speaker 1: All about them. I'm not a trusting person, and the

706
00:41:03,559 --> 00:41:07,840
government has trained society to think a certain way toward cryptis,

707
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,840
even toward Bigfoot. Like most people, if you tell them

708
00:41:11,159 --> 00:41:14,320
about Bigfoot, they're gonna they're gonna flaugh at you and

709
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:18,360
mock you and ridicule you. And that's the typical reaction

710
00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:21,800
that you get from the general as public. And that

711
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,159
comes from I believe government brainwashing. You know that they've

712
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,719
brainwashed the people to believe that this is nonsense, and

713
00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:32,320
you know, there's no such thing, and anybody believes it's

714
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,199
a as a whack job. And I wouldn't say that

715
00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:38,480
there was anger. I would just say that it just

716
00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:42,599
it was more conclusive evidence that you know, Yes, we

717
00:41:42,679 --> 00:41:45,360
have been lied to, not just about the but about

718
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,679
a lot of things, you know, and it opens up

719
00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:50,480
the realm of possibilities of what all else could be

720
00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:54,880
out there, and the world lens that we look through

721
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,119
at the world has completely changed forever.

722
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: That it is. Are you glad you know the truth

723
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:04,000
now or would you rather just not know?

724
00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:09,119
Speaker 1: No? Absolutely, I'm glad that I know the truth. You know.

725
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,880
I'm I'm very aware of my surroundings, and you know,

726
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:19,960
I I'm glad that I know because even if I

727
00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:24,880
encroached into their territory, and I would want to know

728
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,960
the signs early so that I could get out of

729
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:32,159
their territory, you know, before any kind of negative encounter

730
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,599
could occur, you know what I mean. You know, I

731
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,000
just like to look for I'd like to know what

732
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:42,039
signs that I could look for if people have knowledge

733
00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:44,880
of them, you know, doing any kind of territorial marks

734
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,719
or anything like that. There's really just not a lot

735
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,880
of information out there about dog Man and about you know,

736
00:42:53,079 --> 00:42:57,840
what people have actually seen. And you know, I have

737
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,039
nothing to gain by coming out with us, absolutely nothing.

738
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,400
It is not my job to prove to the world

739
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,880
that these things exist. My mere reason for sharing my

740
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:14,079
information is for her people that know that they exist,

741
00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:18,360
to maybe get some tidbits of information out of what

742
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,360
I want. My encounter was that might be able to

743
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,840
help them in their scientific studies of what could be

744
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:25,880
uncovered out there.

745
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: Well less awfully admirable you have those concerns. Most people wouldn't.

746
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,960
They wouldn't care at all about that. You only lived

747
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,679
about thirty miles from where you had that encounter, which

748
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,880
makes me wonder. Did you ever suffer in the unexplained

749
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,599
losses of cattle back men around that time?

750
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: None whatsoever? No, none, No chickens. We had chickens disappear,

751
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,519
and I do believe that that was sasquatch related, because

752
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,719
the chicken coop, the door was shut at night when

753
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,199
we left, and there would be chickens in the thing

754
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,320
here and there, and the door was locked, and there

755
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,599
were no evidence of any creatures digging underneath the fence

756
00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:10,119
or anything else, you know. But yeah, we would have

757
00:44:10,199 --> 00:44:13,880
chickens that would disappear mysteriously, but never any cattle or

758
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,159
anything like that. Huh.

759
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 2: He probably didn't have any around then, So that's good

760
00:44:19,519 --> 00:44:19,760
to know.

761
00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:24,199
Speaker 1: Well, I believe, I believe there's more sasquatch than there

762
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,320
is dog man. I do fervently believe that. Oh.

763
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 2: I agree. If you consider the fact that sasquatch or omnivores,

764
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:37,079
and they can get by eating meat or vegetation other

765
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:39,760
things like that, they've got a lot more options, a

766
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:45,519
lot more resources to sustain themselves. But dogmen, being obligate carnivores,

767
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,880
it's a lot harder for them to scratch out a living.

768
00:44:48,199 --> 00:44:50,679
They still do very well at it's because of the

769
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,079
physical specimens they are. But yeah, I think you're right.

770
00:44:54,119 --> 00:44:57,280
I think there definitely are more sasquatch than dogmen out there.

771
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,199
I agree. Well, what about forty five minutes in so

772
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,880
I'm going to start asking some questions now from the

773
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,039
live chat. The first one is from to be or

774
00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:09,599
not to be, and they want to know when it

775
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,719
stood up, did the arm seem longer than usual to

776
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:13,360
its body?

777
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: I could only see that, you know, so much of

778
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,599
its upper arm. I couldn't see the entire length of

779
00:45:19,639 --> 00:45:21,199
the arms.

780
00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 2: And I'm sure you had so much going through your

781
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,639
mind at the time you were doing good to know

782
00:45:27,639 --> 00:45:33,360
which way was up? Also, yes, yeah, that's understandable. This

783
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,840
next one is from P. W. Harris and they want

784
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,920
to know, Matt, did the dog man appeared injured or

785
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,119
have any blood on it?

786
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 1: Right now? What was that?

787
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Oh, no problem. They want to know, did

788
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,440
the dog man appear injured or have any blood on it?

789
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,199
Speaker 1: I could not see any injuries or any blood anywhere

790
00:45:55,079 --> 00:45:58,119
on it.

791
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 2: Was it moving so fast you'd have a hard time

792
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:00,519
seeing it?

793
00:46:00,599 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: Dor, No, it was not moving that fast. It was

794
00:46:05,519 --> 00:46:09,079
running at a good pace, but you know, nothing where

795
00:46:09,199 --> 00:46:11,480
it was a blur. I could I could see the

796
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:14,519
entire thing running. I mean it if I had to

797
00:46:14,559 --> 00:46:18,079
guess a speed thirteen miles an hour, nothing crazy.

798
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 2: I got ahead of myself. I should have set up

799
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,519
Robert mcgoo's question. That was the question that he had

800
00:46:26,559 --> 00:46:29,719
for you. He wanted to know, Matt, good show, how

801
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,039
fast was it, buddy? And then you just answered that

802
00:46:32,119 --> 00:46:33,039
for us, So thank you.

803
00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

804
00:46:35,039 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 2: This next one is from Chris Siler, and Chris wants

805
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,480
to know was there a smell before the encounter?

806
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 1: No smell at all. I mean I was in my

807
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:44,599
truck driving.

808
00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:50,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're driving that time of year, yeah, I

809
00:46:50,639 --> 00:46:53,079
don't think you're gonna have the windows down, so that

810
00:46:53,199 --> 00:46:57,920
makes sense. This next one is from Al Santa Riga hell.

811
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,119
Al wants to know how tall was it? On? Two feet?

812
00:47:01,199 --> 00:47:03,400
I think you already answered that though you said six

813
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:08,840
to seven feet. Yep, so we can mark that one

814
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,639
is taken care of. The next one is from Alex Midnight.

815
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,559
He wants to know have you heard of the Carnival

816
00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:18,559
Cruz ship monster? I sure haven't.

817
00:47:19,519 --> 00:47:20,199
Speaker 1: No, I have not.

818
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, wonder what that's all about.

819
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: I don't know.

820
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, hard to say. This next one's from himI, and

821
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:33,599
himI wants to know. I'm sorry, Jamie, I apologize. Jamie

822
00:47:33,639 --> 00:47:36,239
wants to know, Matt, you said it didn't have a tail.

823
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,639
Do you think that was natural or it? Did? It

824
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,320
seem like it was missing from an injury?

825
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: I think it was natural.

826
00:47:49,159 --> 00:47:51,639
Speaker 2: You think it was natural? Yeah, you might be right

827
00:47:51,679 --> 00:47:55,480
about that. Seems like some dogmen have tails, others don't.

828
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,960
I don't buy into this nonsense that if they don't

829
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,159
have tails, they're where wolves and if they do have

830
00:48:01,199 --> 00:48:03,920
tails or dog men, I could be wrong about that,

831
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,719
but I definitely don't buy that. I don't. The next

832
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,079
one up is from Kyle. Kyle wants to know was

833
00:48:10,119 --> 00:48:12,840
it running from you?

834
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: No, it was not running for me.

835
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:17,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, earlier on he said that he's pretty sure it

836
00:48:17,679 --> 00:48:21,280
was running from whoever it shot at it, or actually

837
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:22,000
shot it.

838
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: Yes.

839
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 2: The next one's from Moondogs. The chat's moving so fast

840
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,280
it's hard to keep up and be accurate. Beatrice Ward

841
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,320
wants to know. Did its fur look nicer scraggly?

842
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:38,639
Speaker 1: They looked nice.

843
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 2: That's the strange thing about these guys. Sometimes their fur

844
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:46,719
is really tidy and neat, it's like they just left

845
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,920
a salon or something, and other times it's just a mess.

846
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,159
So there's no rhyme nor reason.

847
00:48:53,519 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: I've heard of encounters where they felt like the fur

848
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:01,840
was matted and you know, not neat at all. But

849
00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:03,760
this thing looked like it had the fur of a

850
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,039
wolf or yeah, fur of a wolf. You know. There

851
00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:09,239
wasn't matted or really long or anything like that.

852
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,679
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like I said, there's no rhyme nor reason. You

853
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,639
never know what you're going to get until you actually

854
00:49:14,679 --> 00:49:15,599
see the dog man.

855
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:18,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's pull.

856
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:22,079
Speaker 2: Up another one. This one's from Fred Caserta and Fred

857
00:49:22,119 --> 00:49:26,639
wants to know if you experienced any mind speak. No,

858
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:34,159
I didn't think he did. The next one's from Bianca Brown,

859
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,239
and Bianca wants to know did you see the head

860
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:38,320
and face clearly?

861
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:39,679
Speaker 1: Clearly?

862
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 2: Yes, so you saw the face clearly, but not the eyes.

863
00:49:45,199 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 1: Not the eyes, no, not any discerning features of the eyes.

864
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,559
Speaker 2: Was that because of shading or something else.

865
00:49:56,679 --> 00:50:00,159
Speaker 1: You know, probably because it was moving so quick and

866
00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:05,480
it was running, and I was trying to look at

867
00:50:05,519 --> 00:50:08,480
the thing as a whole and gather as much mental

868
00:50:08,519 --> 00:50:12,000
information as I could about it, because I knew within

869
00:50:14,199 --> 00:50:17,559
three and a half seconds that this wasn't any kind

870
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:22,039
of normal animal. So my mind was set on gathering

871
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:25,800
as much mental information that I could get about this

872
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,159
thing as it ran in front of me, and I

873
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,480
just did not get a clear line of sight on

874
00:50:31,559 --> 00:50:34,280
its eyeballs to see if they were you know, because

875
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,239
I've heard a lot of reports were glowing eyes and

876
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:41,400
like you know, nocturnal eyes and so forth like that.

877
00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I said, I mean, you're just doing good

878
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,920
to know your own name. I'm impressed by all the

879
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:52,559
details you noticed, so I think you did really well. PW.

880
00:50:52,679 --> 00:50:55,960
Harris wants to know, Matt, were there any military bases

881
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:57,960
or an armory nearby?

882
00:51:00,199 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: No, no military bases or armory nearby that area. There

883
00:51:04,519 --> 00:51:11,599
is army lands probably thirty five miles away. Don't know

884
00:51:11,639 --> 00:51:16,079
what kind of facility. There's a FEMA headquarters probably within

885
00:51:16,159 --> 00:51:21,119
thirty miles away and Charlestown, West Virginia. That's a huge facility.

886
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,920
But as far as military government, that's that's the only

887
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,440
thing that's you know, near that area where I had

888
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:28,039
to encounter.

889
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 2: I see that is a good question considering where it happened,

890
00:51:33,039 --> 00:51:36,320
so I can understand why they wanted to know. A. C.

891
00:51:36,519 --> 00:51:39,480
Kamui wants to know. Did it look frightened? Did it

892
00:51:39,519 --> 00:51:40,199
look scared?

893
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: I can't say that, you know, there was any kind

894
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:51,199
of visual signs that it was scared. I just felt

895
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,159
like in my spirit that it was pressured and that's

896
00:51:54,159 --> 00:51:56,480
why it was running in front of me and taking,

897
00:51:56,679 --> 00:51:59,880
you know, the risk of being completely seen by him

898
00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:03,760
being I don't feel I felt like this thing wouldn't

899
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,519
normally run out in front of a truck like that

900
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,039
it's what I felt. But it was a feeling. It

901
00:52:10,119 --> 00:52:12,360
wasn't you know, scientific information.

902
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 2: That's one of the strange things about these guys. One

903
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,519
of the many strange things they do run out in

904
00:52:18,519 --> 00:52:21,679
front of cars and trucks all the time without any

905
00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:24,599
seeming rhyme nor reason for doing it. I don't know

906
00:52:24,599 --> 00:52:26,280
if they do that just to try and make your

907
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:30,840
racker for fright factor or what, but he unfortunately, they

908
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,880
do that all the time. This next question is from

909
00:52:35,079 --> 00:52:38,039
Red Tipped Savage. They want to know if you saw

910
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:43,199
any eye glow color. No, because you said you didn't

911
00:52:43,199 --> 00:52:47,400
see the eyes. That makes sense. This next one is

912
00:52:47,519 --> 00:52:52,039
from Sheene at West Coast dog Men Project. He wants

913
00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:56,800
to know that did the dogman have tufts on its ears.

914
00:52:58,159 --> 00:52:59,639
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what toughs are.

915
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,159
Speaker 2: Like a lynx or a bobcat.

916
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: They were very pointed, but I can't say that it

917
00:53:10,039 --> 00:53:12,599
had toughs. I can't say for sure I didn't see

918
00:53:12,599 --> 00:53:13,199
any toughs.

919
00:53:15,079 --> 00:53:18,119
Speaker 2: Sometimes they have tufts, other times they don't. There's no

920
00:53:18,199 --> 00:53:21,320
rhyme or reason on that either there isn't.

921
00:53:22,639 --> 00:53:25,559
Speaker 1: It could have, but I didn't visually see that.

922
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, it was moving fast. It was

923
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,280
moving what thirteen miles an hour or so, and you're

924
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,960
just trying to take in the big picture so to

925
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,320
not notice something like if it had tufts on its

926
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,440
sears the tips of its eears, especially considering the fact

927
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,159
you said it had its ears pinned, that just makes

928
00:53:43,159 --> 00:53:45,320
it that much harder to notice a detail like that.

929
00:53:45,519 --> 00:53:50,960
So no harm, no foul, nuke. The DJ wants to

930
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,159
know what color was it now you answered that you

931
00:53:53,199 --> 00:53:56,840
said it had a coyote ish tint to its coat,

932
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,599
But he does have a fresh question. He wants to know.

933
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:00,679
Was it muscular?

934
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:06,079
Speaker 1: No, it was not much. I did not see any

935
00:54:06,159 --> 00:54:09,199
visual signs of it looking like a linebacker or a

936
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,360
muscle man or anything like that. I did not see

937
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:18,360
any kind of major muscle category like some reports have reported.

938
00:54:20,519 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's another one of those things where sometimes

939
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,440
they're muscular, sometimes yor not. It's really hard to find

940
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,559
anything about these guys that's always going to be a

941
00:54:29,559 --> 00:54:33,039
certain way. There are always variances. At least it seems

942
00:54:33,079 --> 00:54:36,000
like that's the case. It looks like the cryptid huntress

943
00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:39,280
Jessica just joined us. Say jess thanks for being here,

944
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,159
and if you haven't listened to the Cryptied Huntress's show.

945
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,440
You really should check it out. It's really easy to

946
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:51,480
find on YouTube. Let's see, was there another question? Okay, yeah,

947
00:54:51,519 --> 00:54:54,519
there is one last one. Rob Jones wants to know

948
00:54:55,039 --> 00:54:59,239
where it's Zr's backwards being. I guess he wants to

949
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,920
know if it's zero backwards might have been a sign

950
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,679
of being frightened. And then he wants to know where

951
00:55:04,679 --> 00:55:07,920
the year is backwards. Yeah, he said that they were pinned,

952
00:55:08,159 --> 00:55:09,440
so they were being held.

953
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: Backwards and backwards as it was running.

954
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:17,039
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't think these guys get frightened all that easily.

955
00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:20,679
So maybe it was. Maybe it wasn't. I wasn't there.

956
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:24,719
It's hard to say, so all I can do is

957
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,199
just go by what you noticed and what your opinions

958
00:55:28,199 --> 00:55:31,559
are and what was going on. It looks like Jamie

959
00:55:31,559 --> 00:55:34,000
has another question. She wants to know Mad, did you

960
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,679
see any tracks when you noticed chickens missing?

961
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,199
Speaker 1: No? I didn't see any tracks around there at all.

962
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 2: No, I've got that question taken care of. Here's one

963
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,840
from Bang Bang, Wow, Bang Bang, you're late. We're gonna

964
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,480
have to have you stand in the hall here. I'm

965
00:55:56,519 --> 00:56:00,159
just messing with you. Bang Bang wants to know did

966
00:56:00,199 --> 00:56:07,280
it smile or smirk at you? No? And here's the

967
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,639
question from A. C. Kamui. She wants to know if

968
00:56:09,679 --> 00:56:12,800
you smelled anything? And you answered that for us already.

969
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:20,119
And then there's another one from DJ Chris Mack and

970
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,039
Chris wants to know. Thanks for sharing, Matt, do you

971
00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:24,960
think it may have been a younger dog man?

972
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 1: It was either a younger one or a female, because

973
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,360
I didn't feel like it was. It meant, you know,

974
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:36,960
after looking into other sightings and the information that I

975
00:56:37,039 --> 00:56:41,039
uncovered after my encounter, it did not meet the criteria

976
00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:45,000
where I've heard stories of towering ten foot tall and

977
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:49,000
having gigantic arms and gigantic biceps. It didn't fall into

978
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,320
that category. So my guess is it was either a

979
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,480
young one or it was a female.

980
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,679
Speaker 2: You're probably right, it probably was a young one to

981
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:02,400
be that small cider. How much bigger they get it

982
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,519
looks like I like like, I'm sorry, I like ike.

983
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:07,880
As a question for you, he wants to know where

984
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,760
did this event take place. I don't know that you

985
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,800
want to get any more specific than Washington County, Maryland,

986
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,039
but I'll leave that too.

987
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: It happened in Sharpsburg, Maryland on Canal Road and harpers

988
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,719
Ferry Road about a quarter mile down on Canal Road.

989
00:57:25,559 --> 00:57:30,159
Speaker 2: That's pretty specific. Good man Ian Conzell wants to know

990
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:31,760
was it a boy or a girl?

991
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, you know my guest says it was female

992
00:57:35,559 --> 00:57:37,480
by the size, or it was a young one.

993
00:57:40,199 --> 00:57:44,159
Speaker 2: I think you're probably right about that. Also, red tipped Savage,

994
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,840
that's a great name. He wants to know did you

995
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:50,840
ever notice any strange environmental things before or after, like

996
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,880
weird fog or shadows lights?

997
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: Now?

998
00:57:58,199 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 2: All right? Another one one four years from Chris Siler.

999
00:58:01,639 --> 00:58:04,239
Chris wants to know did you notice a helicopter at

1000
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,960
any time during this encounter? Before or after?

1001
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:08,559
Speaker 1: No?

1002
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 2: Wow, this is easy. You're doing really well. How about

1003
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,079
this one from to be or not to be? They

1004
00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:24,440
want to know if there were any cemeteries nearby? No,

1005
00:58:28,719 --> 00:58:31,360
know that you know of or you definitely know that

1006
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,440
there weren't any cemeteries nearby.

1007
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: There's cemeteries nearby?

1008
00:58:37,719 --> 00:58:40,719
Speaker 2: Okay, well that makes it easy. Then sometimes they act

1009
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:45,079
almost like guardians for cemeteries. Other times they don't. So yeah,

1010
00:58:45,079 --> 00:58:46,039
that's why I.

1011
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: Think they're attracted to cemeteries for some reason, and where

1012
00:58:50,639 --> 00:58:52,760
there's been a lot of them sighted in cemeteries. I've

1013
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:53,760
read that online.

1014
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:59,119
Speaker 2: It's funny we're talking about that. They also seem to

1015
00:58:59,119 --> 00:59:03,480
be drawn to Native a Miracle, Native American burial grounds.

1016
00:59:04,119 --> 00:59:06,639
And there was one show where we talked about that,

1017
00:59:07,159 --> 00:59:10,039
or asked the question if I can't remember if the

1018
00:59:10,119 --> 00:59:13,320
encounter happened in Oklahoma, but I asked the guest if

1019
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,960
there are any Native American burial grounds nearby, And this

1020
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:21,719
lady wrote me the meanest message, shaming me for asking that.

1021
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,159
She thought it was unfair that I have the nerve

1022
00:59:24,239 --> 00:59:27,599
to ask that and whatnot. But I guess she didn't

1023
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:31,519
realize that there's a trend there. It's a commonly reported

1024
00:59:31,559 --> 00:59:35,119
thing that Native American burial grounds are pretty close to

1025
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:38,920
where dogman encounters tend to happen. Not in every case,

1026
00:59:39,039 --> 00:59:41,000
but there's a definite pattern there.

1027
00:59:41,039 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: It would seem definitely right where the encounters like that

1028
00:59:45,079 --> 00:59:48,719
happened around the Indian barrel grounds and around graveyards in general.

1029
00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:54,159
Speaker 2: Oh, definitely. This next one is from I'm not going

1030
00:59:54,239 --> 00:59:56,320
to say their name, but they want to know did

1031
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,880
you feel any sense or dread? I'm sorry, any sense

1032
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:07,559
of dread or the feeling of being watched none whatsoever. Right,

1033
01:00:07,559 --> 01:00:10,880
I've got another one for you from Acy Kamui. She

1034
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,039
wants to know what did he think on his drive

1035
01:00:13,119 --> 01:00:14,400
home after seeing it.

1036
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't my drive home. I went to work

1037
01:00:18,079 --> 01:00:21,440
that day and it was absolutely on the forefront of

1038
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:25,920
my mind all day long, and at lunchtime, I was,

1039
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,639
you know, looking on my phone trying to research it.

1040
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:33,840
It was blown away, and I was also contemplating should

1041
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,519
I tell some of my coworkers what happened? You know,

1042
01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:38,800
because there was trucks. There was other trucks from the

1043
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,480
same company that came in behind me. As I was,

1044
01:00:41,559 --> 01:00:43,679
you know, out of the truck walking around. You know,

1045
01:00:43,719 --> 01:00:45,599
there was other trucks that come down the road or

1046
01:00:45,639 --> 01:00:47,159
like what are you doing? I was like, oh, nothing,

1047
01:00:47,239 --> 01:00:49,360
you know, and I got on my truck and headed

1048
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,360
on to work when other plumbing trucks come rolling up

1049
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,199
behind me. And you know, but the answer to the

1050
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,079
question was I wasn't going to discuss that with other

1051
01:00:58,119 --> 01:01:01,159
employees because I wasn't going to be ridiculed and mocked

1052
01:01:01,199 --> 01:01:04,440
and laughed at and made a clown out of a

1053
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,920
company of or fifty employees.

1054
01:01:07,639 --> 01:01:10,199
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't blame you. Yeah, there's no future to

1055
01:01:10,239 --> 01:01:13,840
even bring that up at work, especially of all places,

1056
01:01:14,599 --> 01:01:17,559
So yeah, it's a good idea not to I've got

1057
01:01:17,559 --> 01:01:19,559
the last question of the night for you from the

1058
01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:22,559
live chat from Cat and the Hat, and they want

1059
01:01:22,639 --> 01:01:24,880
to know, Matt, did you ever get any feelings of

1060
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,079
the dog Man being supernatural in any way or did

1061
01:01:28,119 --> 01:01:31,760
it seem to be purely flesh and blood, I e. Physical.

1062
01:01:33,199 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 1: It seemed to be flesh and blood and physical.

1063
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 2: That makes it easy. I think that's it for all

1064
01:01:42,039 --> 01:01:45,119
the questions. Well, before we get out of here, Matt,

1065
01:01:45,159 --> 01:01:47,599
do you have any closing questions? I'm sorry, any closing

1066
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:49,119
comments you'd like to.

1067
01:01:49,079 --> 01:01:53,159
Speaker 1: Share, I'm none whatsoever other than you know, it feels

1068
01:01:53,159 --> 01:01:55,440
good to finally to discuss it with a group of

1069
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,599
people that are ready to accept it, and you know,

1070
01:01:58,679 --> 01:02:01,360
to get this knowledge off much that's been buried there

1071
01:02:01,639 --> 01:02:04,119
since this encounter in March of twenty eighteen.

1072
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 2: Well glad to give you a platform to do it,

1073
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,360
I really am. And please remember if you have any

1074
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:13,679
other encounters that you do wind up needing help with,

1075
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,920
and I'll always be there for you. All you have

1076
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,280
to do is just let me know, and we'll schedule

1077
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:23,440
another conversation to find out what's ailing you. Yep. So yeah,

1078
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:26,159
please keep that in mind. But having said that, thanks

1079
01:02:26,159 --> 01:02:28,280
again so much for coming on and sharing the details

1080
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,599
of that experience. Of course, we really appreciate it the

1081
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,480
problem we do. Thanks again so much for your time,

1082
01:02:35,519 --> 01:02:36,719
and have a great night.

1083
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,559
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, Oh you're welcome.

1084
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 2: We'll see. Well that's it for another show. Everybody, thanks

1085
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,239
again so much for listening. I really do appreciate it.

1086
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,639
And of course, if you've had a dogman encounter that

1087
01:02:51,679 --> 01:02:54,280
you need help dealing with, or maybe you just want

1088
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:57,039
to come on the show and share your experience, please

1089
01:02:57,079 --> 01:03:00,639
go to Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report. If

1090
01:03:00,639 --> 01:03:02,880
you do that, then I'll contact you so we can

1091
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:06,159
schedule a phone consultation and we'll take it from there.

1092
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,559
But having said that, thanks again so much for listening,

1093
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:10,679
and have a good night.