WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.799 --> 00:00:10.599 What's happening? Billy badness? 2 00:00:10.800 --> 00:00:13.039 That's the thing in the past. What's the word your 3 00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:15.519 frigging nerds? We're back with the fire escape cast. It's 4 00:00:15.560 --> 00:00:18.879 just one hundred. Oh my god, Dan, what one of 5 00:00:18.879 --> 00:00:20.480 these days I'm gonna do an intro where you don't 6 00:00:20.480 --> 00:00:21.920 interrupt me and make it about you. 7 00:00:22.679 --> 00:00:25.480 Mary is interrupting too. We're both interrupting you. 8 00:00:25.719 --> 00:00:30.120 She gets to interrupt. I heard it speaking rules. He didn't. 9 00:00:30.120 --> 00:00:33.479 Marry didn't get the Cardigan memory. 10 00:00:34.159 --> 00:00:36.359 Calm feet January or February. 11 00:00:36.439 --> 00:00:40.600 Yeah, fucking fancy man, fancy look older. Episode one hundred 12 00:00:40.600 --> 00:00:44.159 and twenty five. Ye, it is thirty four, thirty four 13 00:00:44.200 --> 00:00:48.119 degrees in Frankfurt. How have you guys been? Is it snowy? No? Mary, 14 00:00:48.159 --> 00:00:49.079 probably not where you are. 15 00:00:49.399 --> 00:00:52.439 Oh my weather, it's weird. It's a it's been kind 16 00:00:52.439 --> 00:00:57.399 of warm. So it's been forties and maybe sometimes the fifties. 17 00:00:57.840 --> 00:01:00.840 Sometimes it rains, but it's too warm and it's weird. 18 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:02.880 We don't like it. It's supposed to be cold and 19 00:01:02.960 --> 00:01:06.840 rainy and cloudy. This is not our vibe, Like our 20 00:01:06.920 --> 00:01:09.799 rainy season is all off. I don't think it's good. 21 00:01:10.519 --> 00:01:14.480 I mean, obviously I do like not rain, but I 22 00:01:13.799 --> 00:01:16.959 I think there's something wrong. It should be raining right now. 23 00:01:17.079 --> 00:01:21.280 It's like Ireland weather pack Northwest, Ireland West Coast. It 24 00:01:21.359 --> 00:01:22.920 felt like the pack Pacific Northwest. 25 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:26.040 When I was in Galway, they said that our ice 26 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:29.760 pack is really low. So my worry is if it 27 00:01:29.840 --> 00:01:33.079 doesn't get cold enough and we don't get snow, it'll 28 00:01:33.079 --> 00:01:38.799 affect our rivers and streams in the spring, and I 29 00:01:38.799 --> 00:01:41.519 think that has downstream impacts. 30 00:01:42.079 --> 00:01:43.560 If the will Lammett dries up. You can get your 31 00:01:43.599 --> 00:01:45.280 phone back, though, damn it. 32 00:01:47.200 --> 00:01:51.040 I know it's not worth it. Global warming is not 33 00:01:51.159 --> 00:01:55.079 worth it to retrieve my twenty sixteen iPhone. 34 00:01:55.719 --> 00:02:00.120 Dan, How's how's how's the weather with You's? Sure it's cold, the. 35 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:03.079 Brutally cold, not getting a lot of snow right now, 36 00:02:03.159 --> 00:02:06.079 but definitely holding up towards just you're not really going outside. 37 00:02:06.439 --> 00:02:09.000 But on that note, are you guys aware of like 38 00:02:09.039 --> 00:02:13.080 there's like some conspiracy theory now about snow being plastic? 39 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:17.360 No fill me in, Okay, Well, you know I follow 40 00:02:17.479 --> 00:02:19.919 you know, wrestlers, so I get I get clued in 41 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:21.360 on a lot of dumb shit. 42 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:24.240 Theirs are in good shape, right, Uh. 43 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:26.479 This one in particular, I'm thinking of is just the worst. 44 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:30.000 But this one guy was posting stuff about like I'm 45 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:31.400 looking out here. It's like, this is the weirdest thing. 46 00:02:31.439 --> 00:02:34.240 I'm holding the lighter up to my snow. It's not melting. 47 00:02:34.280 --> 00:02:36.400 There's something up with this. There's something like I don't 48 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:37.919 even know what the conspiracy is. I don't know if 49 00:02:37.919 --> 00:02:40.560 they're saying like, oh, Democrats are raining plastic snow down 50 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:44.240 or something. But yeah, then I just googled like snow uh, 51 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:47.840 and it's everyone a certain type of person is saying 52 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:51.360 a lot about snow being plastic and it must mean something. 53 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:54.280 Interesting like if there you would think that the people 54 00:02:54.360 --> 00:02:56.879 who are also trying to fake global warming would refrain 55 00:02:56.919 --> 00:02:58.960 from dropping fake snow from the sky. 56 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:02.240 Yeah, I don't know. Logic's great. Here they're saying, okay, 57 00:03:02.240 --> 00:03:03.599 I'm looking at the video now. Yeah, they're trying to 58 00:03:03.599 --> 00:03:05.800 burn it with the lighter, and they're like, oh my god, 59 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:08.879 it turned black instead of melting, like this is government snow. 60 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:10.199 This is like what is this? 61 00:03:10.360 --> 00:03:12.800 Like the fuck does that mean? It's like, okay, it's 62 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:14.960 a residue from the lighter. Yeah, the snow doesn't turn black. Okay, 63 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:17.439 I'm reading about it now on Yahoo creators your your 64 00:03:17.439 --> 00:03:20.520 best source for news. I don't know. I just googled them. 65 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:22.840 This what popped up. But that seems stupid. 66 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:25.680 Yeah, stupid. Maybe dancing around? 67 00:03:26.199 --> 00:03:29.719 Yeah, maybe he has like a he lives near a 68 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:33.400 mountain and they have to have fake snow so that 69 00:03:33.439 --> 00:03:34.199 people can ski. 70 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:36.439 No, I think he's just stupid. 71 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:42.479 Even that's not plastic though, that's just a form of 72 00:03:42.599 --> 00:03:43.479 real snow. 73 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:47.840 Speaking of conspiracies, I finally caught up and watched Pogonia 74 00:03:47.960 --> 00:03:50.159 since last Good. 75 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:55.759 That's a good conspiracy movie. Also, Jesse Plemmons might be 76 00:03:55.800 --> 00:03:56.759 one of the best actors. 77 00:03:57.159 --> 00:03:59.080 I just watched Jesse Plemmons in the movie last night. 78 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:00.759 For the first time. I watched The Master. 79 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:03.599 Wait wait, wait, wait, oh my god, holy shit. That's 80 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:06.560 I okay, good to know. What do you mean you 81 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:08.400 watched him the movie for the first time. You saw Pogonia? 82 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:10.840 I saw the movie. No, I watched Oh I saw 83 00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:12.240 the movie. It was a weird way to put it. 84 00:04:12.280 --> 00:04:14.000 I saw The Master for the first time. 85 00:04:14.280 --> 00:04:15.560 I remember that came out when I was at Game 86 00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:17.560 Former in twenty twelve, and I thought you'd seen it, 87 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:19.680 but we talked about this last episode. But yeah, I'm 88 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:22.120 glad you watched it, but yet really really quick Pogonia, 89 00:04:22.519 --> 00:04:25.199 really good movie. It's definitely I don't I still don't 90 00:04:25.199 --> 00:04:26.959 know that it broke my top five from last year. 91 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:29.040 We had talked about our top five, but it's it's 92 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:30.560 really good, really well made. 93 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:32.720 Weird because like, as soon as I started seeing Jesse 94 00:04:32.800 --> 00:04:34.959 Plemons kind of pop up, which is like what mid 95 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:37.759 twenty tens, maybe I always thought he had a very 96 00:04:37.759 --> 00:04:40.480 Phillips Seymour Hoffin deal about him, and then like he 97 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:42.560 plays Phillip sy Moore Hoffin's son and The Master, and 98 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:43.839 I'm like, oh, yeah, there you go. I'm not the 99 00:04:43.839 --> 00:04:46.240 only one thing in that. But yeah, he doesn't have 100 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:48.639 a huge role in that. But God Walking Phoenix is 101 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:51.199 just he's a guy that like every time I've seen 102 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:53.279 him in a movie, I don't know if this is 103 00:04:53.319 --> 00:04:55.439 good or bad about him, but I'm like, I bet 104 00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:57.040 that guy's actually fucking nuts. 105 00:04:57.279 --> 00:05:00.720 Yeah no, no, no, so so yeah, so Freddy Quail, Wait, So, 106 00:05:00.920 --> 00:05:03.639 generally speaking, what did you think of The Master? I 107 00:05:03.839 --> 00:05:04.480 liked it a lot. 108 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:07.079 I remember thinking like, oh, at first I thought Paul 109 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:09.639 Thomas Anderson when it was in production was like making 110 00:05:09.639 --> 00:05:12.680 a movie specifically about like Eron Hubbard and Scientology and 111 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:14.360 steff Ooh, that's going to be interesting. And then I 112 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:16.879 heard it's like, uh, it's kind of a loosely based 113 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:20.240 They don't it's not really based on it's it's pretty 114 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:23.680 thinly veiled. It's very much Aroon Hubbard and Scientology, but 115 00:05:23.879 --> 00:05:25.759 you know, it's a fictionalized version of all. I think 116 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:27.480 I lost a little bit of interest, and like, reviews 117 00:05:27.519 --> 00:05:29.680 weren't that great necessarily when it first came out, so 118 00:05:29.959 --> 00:05:31.720 I just didn't watch it when it came out, even 119 00:05:31.720 --> 00:05:33.319 though like, There Will Be Blood was I think the 120 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:35.160 previous one that's like one of my favorite movies ever. 121 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:37.680 Yeah, There Will Be Blood was nine, I believe Master 122 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:41.160 was twelve. After that it would have been Inherent Vice. 123 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:42.959 And then the one before There Will Be Blood I 124 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:44.120 believe was Punch Drunk Love. 125 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:46.959 Yeah, we just watched that recently. Yeah, that old us. 126 00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:49.399 It's it's funny. We talked about it because I think 127 00:05:49.399 --> 00:05:51.920 it's I go back and forth sometimes. I think it's 128 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:55.160 actually my favorite pta movie. I love The Master. It 129 00:05:55.240 --> 00:05:56.959 hit me hard the first time I watched it, and 130 00:05:57.160 --> 00:06:01.439 that is one of his movies that I rewatch the most, 131 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:03.720 and I feel like it is making the rounds lately. 132 00:06:03.839 --> 00:06:07.279 I think because Jesse maybe again Jesse Plemmons has like 133 00:06:07.319 --> 00:06:08.519 four lines in it, but like. 134 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:10.160 Or one Battle. I mean, I think people are just 135 00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:12.079 talking about I think people. 136 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:13.399 Are going back to that. So I've been seeing people 137 00:06:13.399 --> 00:06:15.439 a lot of people saying they're watching it now, and 138 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:21.000 I think watching it after understanding Paul Thomas Anderson's other 139 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:23.079 movies a bit more, it's more fun because the first 140 00:06:23.079 --> 00:06:24.319 time I was trying to watch is trying to figure 141 00:06:24.360 --> 00:06:27.360 it out, but like, ultimately it really is about the 142 00:06:27.439 --> 00:06:32.519 quasi battle kind of like homo erotic relationship between Philip 143 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:36.360 Seymour Hoffman and Freddy Quell and what the hell is 144 00:06:36.519 --> 00:06:39.759 name Dodd Lancaster Dodd h. 145 00:06:39.839 --> 00:06:42.079 Yeah, Yeah, that was the thing is like I at 146 00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:43.800 the end, I was talking to Bonk and I was like, 147 00:06:43.959 --> 00:06:46.279 we both liked it, But I said, like, I don't 148 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:48.079 know if I'm just stupid or it's like the thing 149 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:49.800 that kind of bugged me about this was that, like, 150 00:06:50.439 --> 00:06:52.879 I liked it. It was very well made and the 151 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:55.720 acting this is an actor movie capital a, you know, 152 00:06:56.079 --> 00:06:59.000 but like I didn't really take away like what's the message, Like, well, 153 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:00.399 what do I take away from here? 154 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:00.959 You know? That? 155 00:07:01.839 --> 00:07:03.319 Is it like Mother where it's like I watched that 156 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:06.439 whole movie and didn't realize there were like allegories and stuff, 157 00:07:06.439 --> 00:07:08.040 and I'm just like totally missing something. 158 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:11.560 I don't know. I've never seen Paul Thomas Anderson to 159 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:13.959 be someone who makes things for people to figure out. 160 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:15.639 To me, I was like, Oh, yeah, what the fuck 161 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:15.839 was that? 162 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:19.680 Yeah, Magnolia, I really don't think like Punch Drunk Love. 163 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:21.839 I guess Punchdrunk Love wraps up tidally because that he 164 00:07:21.879 --> 00:07:24.160 actually finally kind of does find love after having a 165 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:27.199 really rough life. But like The Master, very much to me, 166 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:29.399 is like Lancaster Dodd, who is someone who a cult 167 00:07:29.439 --> 00:07:32.759 leader who is trying to convince people of this intangible thing, 168 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:35.720 and then he finds Freddie, who they compare to an 169 00:07:35.720 --> 00:07:39.199 animal visually and even like in the script many times 170 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:41.399 throughout when they both go to jail, he's literally like 171 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:45.959 a caged animal freaking out. And I think Lancaster Dodd 172 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:50.319 sees this like impossible convert in him because the big 173 00:07:50.360 --> 00:07:53.000 thing that movie doesn't touch on after the first like 174 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:55.920 ten minutes is like the this is a generation of 175 00:07:55.959 --> 00:07:59.639 people suffering from PTSD before we truly understood it, and 176 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:02.199 we still and truly understand it. But so Freddy's dealing 177 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:04.319 with that and not knowing how to handle it. But 178 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:07.120 it's very much Lancas or Dodd trying to quote unquote 179 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:10.720 like tame an animal, realizing it's impossible. But I think 180 00:08:10.759 --> 00:08:13.279 there's also some sexual undercurrent with them in a way 181 00:08:13.439 --> 00:08:14.040 like that's. 182 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:16.600 Oh, they're like grab assen in the lawn and stuff. 183 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:21.079 He sings. He sings him an old timey run grab yeah. Yeah, 184 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:23.920 they're straight up grab yeah. 185 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:26.399 They're rolling around pants and stuff. 186 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:30.560 The last five minutes is Philip seymour Hoffman, just a 187 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:33.480 one shot on him crying as he sings, I want 188 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:36.360 to get you on a slow boat to China. I walked. 189 00:08:36.519 --> 00:08:37.879 I remember watching that was like, this is the best 190 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:41.919 movie I've ever seen in my like doucheier years. 191 00:08:41.960 --> 00:08:45.639 Like, no, I haven't seen The Master. 192 00:08:45.799 --> 00:08:48.080 I don't. I don't think like you can really spoil it. 193 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:50.799 It's definitely not something where like there's. 194 00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:53.559 No nothing that you guys have said is tangible in any. 195 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:56.080 Way you can't. I was gonna say that was great. 196 00:08:57.399 --> 00:09:02.519 Nothing that you have said is is is functionally able 197 00:09:02.559 --> 00:09:04.720 for me to like put together and understand what this 198 00:09:04.759 --> 00:09:07.039 movie is. I don't know what's going on. I don't 199 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:09.000 know what the characters are. I do know that there's 200 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:15.039 a lot of grab assen going on and the last third, Yeah. 201 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:17.759 I like think it's I genuinely think it's a very 202 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:19.440 fun movie to watch. 203 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:20.440 It's funny at times. 204 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:23.480 Yeah, the like the pace of the editing. I love 205 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:28.679 how the soundtracks amazing. But just like that tracking shot 206 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:31.399 when he's he accidentally poisons the guy and he's running 207 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:33.720 across the field and that tracking shot. 208 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:36.600 Yeah, all the people are chasing them, and the motorcycle 209 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:38.919 shot and everything there's there's Paul thom Sanderson's just fun to 210 00:09:38.960 --> 00:09:40.440 watch it, even if it's not your favorite one of 211 00:09:40.440 --> 00:09:44.000 his movies. They watching it though. I At the same time, 212 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:46.080 I'm reading this book about Lauren Michaels that just came 213 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:49.159 out like last year, and at one point they're talking about, like, 214 00:09:49.240 --> 00:09:50.960 you know, when he was first kind of coming up 215 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:52.720 and going to la and stuff, like at some point 216 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:55.159 he was like doing some on stage stuff, wondering if 217 00:09:55.159 --> 00:09:57.120 he wanted to be an actor like Lauren Michaels was, 218 00:09:57.440 --> 00:09:59.639 And he said that, like there was a scene where 219 00:09:59.679 --> 00:10:03.039 he was like playing against like a real deal actor, 220 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:05.639 and Lauren realized that, like, oh I looked in that 221 00:10:05.679 --> 00:10:08.879 guy's eyes and like that guy was that character, and 222 00:10:08.919 --> 00:10:10.799 I realized, oh, I'm just pretending to be a guy, 223 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:13.000 you know, Like that guy's becoming the guy. And he's like, 224 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:14.679 I'm not an actor. I need to just kind of 225 00:10:14.679 --> 00:10:16.799 be behind the scenes here, you know. So, yeah, that 226 00:10:17.159 --> 00:10:19.279 this movie was like actor actors, you know. 227 00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:23.120 Oh yeah, like Philip sever Hoffmann rightfully gets his flowers 228 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:25.799 for that movie. But Joaquin Phoenix is unreal. 229 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:30.360 I mean, he seems like he seems like he would 230 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:31.960 be unsufferable right in real life. 231 00:10:32.039 --> 00:10:34.399 Oh yeah, I think he doesn't have a reputation for it. 232 00:10:34.519 --> 00:10:35.879 I mean I think I might just be judging it 233 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:38.480 by that weird Letterman appearance, like you know, fifteen years 234 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:40.879 ago or whatever where he was he felt this weird. 235 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:45.720 Oh yeah, he's apologized sort of apologize for it and 236 00:10:45.799 --> 00:10:47.159 also acknowledged that it was duchey. 237 00:10:47.840 --> 00:10:50.360 Well, yeah, he showed up and like he didn't let 238 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:52.919 anyone know he was basically in k fabe, like in 239 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:55.799 character for this stupid, like mockumentary thing. 240 00:10:55.840 --> 00:10:58.799 He's no, I'm okay, okay, so he was like, what 241 00:10:58.840 --> 00:10:59.919 do they call it method? 242 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:03.240 Well, yeah, but he was a drunk and high on yeah, 243 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:03.519 but it. 244 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:06.159 Was acting and drunken high. 245 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:08.840 But it was also part of like he was trying 246 00:11:08.879 --> 00:11:11.799 to do the stunt basically, where like the whole deal 247 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:14.440 of this movie was like a documentary about like in 248 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:18.399 real life. Joaquin Phoenix started saying things like I'm quitting acting, 249 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:20.519 I'm becoming a rapper, and like you know, he was 250 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:23.720 basically manufacturing all these things where it's like, oh, I 251 00:11:23.759 --> 00:11:25.960 I was wrapping at this party and then drunk and 252 00:11:25.960 --> 00:11:27.799 fell off a table or whatever, and it went viral 253 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:30.679 and everybody was legitimately thinking, like, what the fuck is 254 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:33.320 Joaquin Phoenix doing. He's becoming a rapper, He's quitting acting. 255 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:36.039 And it turned out later that it was all part 256 00:11:36.080 --> 00:11:37.639 of this movie stunt where. 257 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:39.000 It was a bit it was just like an. 258 00:11:40.519 --> 00:11:42.799 Trying to do Andy Coffin down to the going on 259 00:11:42.919 --> 00:11:46.480 Letterman thing where Kaufmin did it successfully and Joaquing Phoenix 260 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:48.919 basically just showed up and seemed like a really aloof asshole. 261 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:50.559 At one point, he like takes his gum out and 262 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:53.159 sticks it on Dave's desk and stuff like that, and Dave, 263 00:11:53.360 --> 00:11:55.759 Dave handles it incredibly well. He just has no time 264 00:11:55.799 --> 00:11:57.960 for people doing dumb shit like that. So Dave just 265 00:11:57.960 --> 00:11:59.120 been the whole time. 266 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:02.759 Yeah, don't. I don't see what Keen is being easy 267 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:04.639 to work with. I don't know if Philip Seymour Hoffin 268 00:12:04.720 --> 00:12:05.159 was either. 269 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:08.720 Though excuses it. If they're good actors, do you think 270 00:12:08.759 --> 00:12:12.000 that that gives them, like, you know, the right where 271 00:12:12.039 --> 00:12:14.360 it's like, oh, well, their performance was so good, it's 272 00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:17.039 understandable that they were a huge prick to work with 273 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:17.799 for you. 274 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:21.519 Know, I I I think if you asked me this 275 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:24.000 ten years ago, I was said, like, of course, it's 276 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:26.559 all it's all for the arts. Same but like it 277 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:30.240 years ago New York was it the New Yorker article 278 00:12:30.279 --> 00:12:31.240 that uh interviewing? 279 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:36.799 Oh yeah that god yeah. 280 00:12:36.840 --> 00:12:39.519 But my favorite quote from that was when for like 281 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:43.320 a supporting quote, they asked Brian Cox. They're like, they're like, so, 282 00:12:43.519 --> 00:12:45.600 like you get into the you're you're a very well 283 00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:48.879 known actor on the stage and on you know, the 284 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:52.480 big screen and on television shows, you're you you seem 285 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:54.600 to like embody your actors. How do you go home 286 00:12:54.639 --> 00:12:56.840 at night after pretending to be someone that well all 287 00:12:56.919 --> 00:13:01.480 days like it's called acting, and they use that quote 288 00:13:01.480 --> 00:13:04.000 in the same story that is basically a profile of 289 00:13:04.639 --> 00:13:09.440 Jeremy Strong. Jeremy Strong like he by all accounts, sounded 290 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:12.840 like he's he not just the show's he's shooting, but 291 00:13:12.879 --> 00:13:15.279 it sounds like someone like him takes everything in his 292 00:13:15.320 --> 00:13:16.320 life too seriously. 293 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:19.000 He would be completely inseparate. I think that he's a 294 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:21.279 great example of like the worst of the worst, sounding 295 00:13:21.399 --> 00:13:22.840 you know, like I just fucked. 296 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:26.200 That guy, and then like, but no, it's sorry, go ahead. 297 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:27.480 Oh no, I was gonna say at the end of 298 00:13:27.480 --> 00:13:29.039 that Letterman interview it was just great because the whole 299 00:13:29.039 --> 00:13:31.240 time walking Panks is just on another planet, and at 300 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:33.639 the end, Letterman just wraps it up by being like, well, 301 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:35.200 walking and I'm sorry you couldn't be here tonight. 302 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:42.399 Yeah, that's actually really good. Good Letterman to be able 303 00:13:42.399 --> 00:13:45.840 to be that fast. I was thinking this was years ago, 304 00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:48.679 but I actually have this like vivid memory of a 305 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:52.759 weird walking in Phoenix interview on like a red carpet 306 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:56.519 and a random person is asking him an interview question 307 00:13:56.840 --> 00:14:00.399 and he can't focus and he's talking about the fact 308 00:14:00.440 --> 00:14:03.679 that there is a sensation of a frog in his hair. 309 00:14:04.559 --> 00:14:06.679 That sounds like the shit he was doing during that, 310 00:14:06.919 --> 00:14:09.639 Like it was just like maybe like seven eight something. 311 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:11.200 Like that cosmic gumbo of seventy. 312 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:15.399 Yes, he's like really out of his rocker, and I 313 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:18.000 think he says something like I'm worried about the sensation 314 00:14:18.440 --> 00:14:22.679 of my brain being eaten by a frog, and then 315 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:25.480 he like walks away, and the person on the mic 316 00:14:25.600 --> 00:14:27.840 is like what and that's it. And I remember being 317 00:14:27.879 --> 00:14:30.879 like that guy's on acid. But I never really thought 318 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:34.159 too much into it. I always just kind of assumed 319 00:14:34.159 --> 00:14:37.279 that celebrities are always on drugs because if I was 320 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:41.120 on a red carpet, I would probably do drugs too. 321 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:44.039 No, I would not, No, I would be drink. 322 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:46.440 I can't imagine being in a red car were being 323 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:48.519 interviewed and stuff on drugs. 324 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:48.440 I don't. 325 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:52.480 Yeah, I don't see how, because sometimes the questions that 326 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:55.720 you are asked are silly and mundane and meant to 327 00:14:55.759 --> 00:14:59.159 elicit a response, and I think that would just exhaust me. 328 00:14:59.480 --> 00:15:00.879 I don't think I I could do a press tour 329 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:02.879 at the end of a movie. I don't think I 330 00:15:02.879 --> 00:15:06.320 would want to be asked like my favorite Muppet and 331 00:15:06.360 --> 00:15:08.639 then like have like a serious space, and I'm like, 332 00:15:08.879 --> 00:15:13.480 I made a movie about a war. I don't want this. 333 00:15:14.960 --> 00:15:16.519 Don't ask me about Fozzy. 334 00:15:19.720 --> 00:15:22.360 Was awful. We wanted to pay tributes everything that happened there. 335 00:15:23.080 --> 00:15:26.240 My fucking favorite ice clean ice cream flavors, Rocky Road, like, 336 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:28.879 let's move on, well, you want to go up. 337 00:15:29.480 --> 00:15:32.240 There was one where you know, obviously Tom Cruise sucks 338 00:15:32.240 --> 00:15:34.480 in his own special way and everything, but there was 339 00:15:34.519 --> 00:15:36.840 one red carpet moment where it's like, man, he really 340 00:15:36.879 --> 00:15:39.159 handled it well where it was like the interviewer was 341 00:15:39.159 --> 00:15:41.240 trying to do some prank thing where it's like he's 342 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:42.480 it's one of the things where he's like, you know, 343 00:15:42.960 --> 00:15:44.840 go in person to person doing little interviews in the 344 00:15:44.840 --> 00:15:46.919 red carpet, and he walks up for this guy to 345 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:49.000 give him an interview, and the guy's like hey Tom, 346 00:15:49.720 --> 00:15:51.399 and then like squirts him in the face with like 347 00:15:51.399 --> 00:15:52.360 he had like a I don't know if it's like 348 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:55.320 a clown flower or the microphone was gimmicked to spray 349 00:15:55.360 --> 00:15:57.200 water something. I think it might have been the microphone 350 00:15:57.240 --> 00:15:59.440 spraying with water and Tom Cruise like just like grab 351 00:15:59.519 --> 00:16:00.559 some microes, what do you do? 352 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:01.919 Why? Why would you do that? Why? 353 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:03.559 Why would you do that. I'm going into this thing, 354 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:05.440 I'm coming over here to give you an interview, and 355 00:16:05.480 --> 00:16:08.279 you're gonna pull something like he like lectures the guy 356 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:10.879 in a way that's like, oh, I would like a child. Yeah, 357 00:16:10.879 --> 00:16:12.759 I would feel like if I was that guy. 358 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:15.879 Yeah, you'd rather Tom Cruise gets pissed and tries to 359 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:17.919 fight you. That'd be a better story then what the 360 00:16:17.960 --> 00:16:19.240 person was going to Yeah. 361 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:21.440 Yeah, yeah, people wanted to clip whers look at crazy 362 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:22.120 Tom Cruise. 363 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:26.240 You know, yeah, I was gonna say. Amanda's also been 364 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:30.639 uh more open to watching horror movies lately, so Friday 365 00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:34.840 night finally showed her get Out, and then I told 366 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:36.720 her there was a few scenes in Weapons that I 367 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:39.559 thought might actually scare her, because get Out is scary 368 00:16:39.559 --> 00:16:42.320 in its own way. I remember telling her. I was like, 369 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:44.519 I think it's it's not going to be truly scary 370 00:16:44.759 --> 00:16:46.679 because you're white, but like that's kind of the point 371 00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:48.879 of the movie. So then we watched Weapons the next day. 372 00:16:49.360 --> 00:16:53.480 I think scary. Yeah, they're both scary Weapons. 373 00:16:53.519 --> 00:16:56.159 There's a couple of scenes Amanda really doesn't love clowns, 374 00:16:56.159 --> 00:16:59.960 and certain parts and weapons kind of present as clown 375 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:02.799 I don't want to spoil anythingcause if people haven't seen 376 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:05.519 that movie, they still should. But like she liked them 377 00:17:05.519 --> 00:17:07.519 both quite a bit. And every time I watch Weapons, 378 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:09.440 I think I've seen it three times now, I think 379 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:11.519 I like it more, which is crazy because of the 380 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:15.440 way it's structured like that Raschaman, it works for that. 381 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:18.799 Yeah, really Saturday. Yeah, I don't know. I didn't. I 382 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:21.079 didn't know if I appreciated that the first time I 383 00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:23.359 saw it either, But I think it's I think it's 384 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:25.960 really brilliantly laid out and it's almost I bet it's 385 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:28.599 more fun, Mike to watch it with someone who hasn't 386 00:17:28.599 --> 00:17:32.240 watched it, is you know what's going down and why 387 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:34.640 and they don't yet, And I think that's that's probably 388 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:37.200 like a very fascinating way to look at the movie. 389 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:41.200 Yeah, it's fun because I had a really good theater 390 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:43.359 audience for that movie the first time I saw it, 391 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:45.200 so I was curious if Amanda was going to react 392 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:47.839 to it the same way that we all kind of did. 393 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:50.400 And there's definitely certain parts that just elicit a bit 394 00:17:50.440 --> 00:17:52.519 of like Catharsis and laughing in that movie, because that 395 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:56.559 movie is really funny in many places, especially at one 396 00:17:56.599 --> 00:18:02.519 particular part where Amanda was also like cackling laughing, but yeah, no, 397 00:18:02.599 --> 00:18:04.880 she loved get Out as well. Get Out so awesome. 398 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:08.039 I don't have a spe for us. I like that 399 00:18:08.279 --> 00:18:10.039 a lot. I don't like us all that much. 400 00:18:10.480 --> 00:18:13.400 There's ideas in both, Like I think they're all good movies, 401 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:15.160 but I do think it was kind of diminishing returns. 402 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:18.359 I'm still very interested in anything he does. I mean, yeah, great, 403 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:21.920 but like get Out was definitely my favorite. You're talking 404 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:27.079 like backlog stuff. I am finally tackling the Sopranos. Yeah, 405 00:18:27.680 --> 00:18:30.839 that walked with Bonk, who is like from there. 406 00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:33.680 Podcast the Sopranos cast. 407 00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:36.680 Did you know the Sopranos is a good TV show? 408 00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:41.200 Oh? I I okay. There's actually an email question later 409 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:45.240 kind of about this. I don't always give people the 410 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:47.200 hard sell on mad Men, which is one of my 411 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:49.519 it's tied for for shows, and I've been talking to 412 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:53.000 Bank about that as well. But the Sopranos. Every time 413 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:54.519 someone tells me I haven't seen it, I'm like, I'm 414 00:18:54.519 --> 00:18:57.079 gonna be annoying. I'm gonna tell you watch it. I 415 00:18:57.279 --> 00:19:01.000 promise it. There's a reason every but he talks about it. 416 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:03.759 It is. I think it like it's like The Godfather. 417 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:05.279 You go your whole life hearing how good it is. 418 00:19:05.279 --> 00:19:08.079 But even if you haven't seen it The Godfather, I 419 00:19:08.279 --> 00:19:10.240 like to think when you finally watch it, you're like, oh, 420 00:19:10.319 --> 00:19:11.799 I get it for. 421 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:12.559 The first time with you. 422 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:15.640 Yeah, And like The Sopranos similarly, like there are some 423 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:17.640 bad episodes in that show in my opinion, but like 424 00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:21.799 overall still incredible. And it's funny that during COVID it 425 00:19:21.880 --> 00:19:24.799 took off again with like the younger generations. I think 426 00:19:24.839 --> 00:19:28.839 they reacted. I think there's a bit of Catharsis there 427 00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:31.400 as well for them, in the sense that like, this 428 00:19:31.559 --> 00:19:33.920 is a group of people who brought ideas from the 429 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:38.119 old world which are pretty bad and almost evil in 430 00:19:38.240 --> 00:19:40.640 many places, but like they were doing it as a 431 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:43.680 result of the authorities not really protecting them and the 432 00:19:43.720 --> 00:19:46.559 economy sucking for immigrants, and now I think a lot 433 00:19:46.599 --> 00:19:48.920 of people are like, oh shit, this is so this 434 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:50.839 is like them. Their excuse for a lot of the 435 00:19:50.880 --> 00:19:52.279 shit they do is they're taking things in their own 436 00:19:52.279 --> 00:19:53.799 hands because the police aren't going to help them. 437 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:56.160 So like you know, you know earlier about me not 438 00:19:56.240 --> 00:19:58.319 getting messages or deeper meaning and stuff. 439 00:19:58.759 --> 00:20:02.599 I didn't catch any of that. I oh, I watched 440 00:20:02.599 --> 00:20:05.559 this show every year, but also like this is that's 441 00:20:05.640 --> 00:20:08.480 the Also like by the end of the show, I 442 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:10.160 think a lot of those things become more apparent, like 443 00:20:10.200 --> 00:20:12.920 they literally talk about it. But how far are you? 444 00:20:13.599 --> 00:20:16.799 I'm three episodes? I'm good, Mary. Have you seen Sopranos? 445 00:20:16.960 --> 00:20:19.559 I've seen the first season like three times, and then 446 00:20:19.559 --> 00:20:22.359 I always fall off and there's this is not a 447 00:20:22.440 --> 00:20:24.440 knock on the Sopranos. I just think it's a really 448 00:20:24.519 --> 00:20:26.880 long show, and I usually am like what else is 449 00:20:26.960 --> 00:20:31.119 what else? And then I end up fading. There's no reason, 450 00:20:31.160 --> 00:20:31.519 I have no. 451 00:20:31.519 --> 00:20:34.480 Excuse to me. This is a lot like my relationship 452 00:20:34.559 --> 00:20:36.599 with the Wire, where it's like I heard about it 453 00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:38.559 for so many years and then I started kind of 454 00:20:38.599 --> 00:20:40.720 watching in college and it was like I was doing 455 00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:42.519 it while I was doing other stuff, or I was 456 00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:44.240 on my laptop and had it on in the background 457 00:20:44.319 --> 00:20:45.480 and I was like, I don't know, it seems like 458 00:20:45.519 --> 00:20:47.720 a cop show whatever. And it wasn't until I finally 459 00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:49.400 like sat down. I was like, I am making a 460 00:20:49.400 --> 00:20:51.920 point to watch the show that I have, and it's 461 00:20:51.960 --> 00:20:53.200 like I did the same thing. I watched a little 462 00:20:53.200 --> 00:20:55.640 bit of Sopranos. I got season one on DVD in college, 463 00:20:55.640 --> 00:20:57.640 and I watched a couple of seasons, but in like 464 00:20:57.680 --> 00:20:59.920 the background, and so I didn't really have any pre 465 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:01.880 siation for it. And now like Bank and I are 466 00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:04.920 sitting down and watching it, and it's like, Okay, this 467 00:21:05.000 --> 00:21:06.319 is making all the difference in the world. 468 00:21:06.319 --> 00:21:07.720 Like, this is a tremendous show. 469 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:11.319 You said your three episodes in Yeah, and I've in 470 00:21:11.359 --> 00:21:13.079 the last couple of years, I've gotten up to the 471 00:21:13.079 --> 00:21:16.440 college one like or whatever. So like I I've seen 472 00:21:16.480 --> 00:21:18.559 these first few a few times, but this is the 473 00:21:18.559 --> 00:21:20.960 most like we're actually paying attention to and talking about it. 474 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:22.640 And yeah, let me ask of course, you know the 475 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:24.480 theme song. Now this is crazy to me because this 476 00:21:24.519 --> 00:21:26.960 is the thing I've thought for thirty years or however 477 00:21:27.039 --> 00:21:29.920 long it's been on almost thirty years. And then Leo 478 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:33.599 Vader posted something, uh like the day after I had 479 00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:37.759 this conversation with BNK. I always thought in the theme song, 480 00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:40.640 there's the part where he goes game about it. You 481 00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:45.720 know that part, and it won't and. 482 00:21:45.799 --> 00:21:47.519 The theme song, yeah, yeah. 483 00:21:47.359 --> 00:21:49.240 I'm always sends. 484 00:21:50.160 --> 00:21:53.599 A feeling shaved my body. It's going to shave my body, 485 00:21:54.640 --> 00:21:57.920 save yourself or uh no, no, shame about it is 486 00:21:57.960 --> 00:22:00.599 what it is. Yeah, yeah, I've never heard shaved ninety nine, 487 00:22:01.119 --> 00:22:03.400 so weird a song where the guy just goes, shaved 488 00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:03.880 my body. 489 00:22:06.519 --> 00:22:06.759 Weird. 490 00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:08.480 Falk I was like, why does he say he shaved 491 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:12.920 my body? And the next fucking day Leo posted like, oh, 492 00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:16.160 it's it's shaved my body, right, they said shave my girl. 493 00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:16.799 It's not just me. 494 00:22:17.119 --> 00:22:19.079 It's like we'd timing too, but no, it turns out 495 00:22:19.079 --> 00:22:20.279 it's a shame about it. 496 00:22:20.559 --> 00:22:23.960 I love when that happens with a song where you 497 00:22:24.039 --> 00:22:27.079 hear it incorrectly and then you actually can't unhear it, 498 00:22:27.160 --> 00:22:30.119 and it's becomes this thing that like when now when 499 00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:33.240 you hear that song, it's all messed up. When I 500 00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:39.000 was growing up, my sister and I, there was a 501 00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:39.319 song I. 502 00:22:39.279 --> 00:22:42.920 Think it was by Lit, Uh steal my sunshine? 503 00:22:43.559 --> 00:22:46.359 No, my own worst enemy? That song where you're just 504 00:22:46.400 --> 00:22:49.279 like it is despriad to me. I am my own 505 00:22:49.319 --> 00:22:50.359 worst enemy? 506 00:22:50.559 --> 00:22:50.680 Right? 507 00:22:50.759 --> 00:22:51.519 What what I did? 508 00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:52.839 Right? 509 00:22:53.359 --> 00:22:57.559 Lynn, steal my sunshine? 510 00:22:58.519 --> 00:23:02.000 I understood you should be shame. I understood the confusion, 511 00:23:02.079 --> 00:23:05.240 but the thought of Lit singing steal my sunshine so fight. 512 00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:08.319 They're very very different like taking Back Sunday Emo band. 513 00:23:08.359 --> 00:23:11.160 I don't know what that means either, surprised me. 514 00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:15.839 Punk kids, Charlotte and Ship. 515 00:23:16.279 --> 00:23:18.519 Yeah, they're a good Charlotte s Okay, Yeah for sure. 516 00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:23.640 My sister always heard that lyric and said, uh, because 517 00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:26.720 every now and then a kick the living ship happy, 518 00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:30.079 and she thought that they say shit happy, which doesn't 519 00:23:30.119 --> 00:23:33.799 make any sense. The lyric is ship out of me, 520 00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:38.359 living out of me. But because we both grow up 521 00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:42.440 grew up singing shit happy when I do hear that song, 522 00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:45.319 which isn't I actually do like that song. When I 523 00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:47.000 hear that song, I'm always if I hear it on 524 00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:50.160 the radio or wherever, I'll be like, I sing shit 525 00:23:50.240 --> 00:23:53.920 happy because that's the version I know. I wonder like 526 00:23:53.920 --> 00:24:01.440 when you hear it, you're just like ship my body. 527 00:23:56.319 --> 00:24:02.079 Shap my body. It's the weird lyric. Yeah, I still 528 00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:04.400 do that for like new songs I'm hearing that I 529 00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:06.599 love like I don't. I don't actually know the you 530 00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:08.680 think I know every word Rocky Road to Dublin when 531 00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:10.480 I see it in Center. Oh, we rewatched Centers last 532 00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:11.119 weekend as well. 533 00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:15.839 That's a horror movie. Yeah, and she accepts that one too. 534 00:24:16.640 --> 00:24:18.640 Oh yeah, no, I mean it's Michael B. Jordan's. She'll 535 00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:23.279 she'll deal with anything to see him, particularly scary. I 536 00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:28.880 like Nicky Glacier, Nicky Glai. Yeah. Yeah, but Michael Jordan 537 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:31.720 plays twin brothers in this movie, which made me Nicky 538 00:24:31.720 --> 00:24:35.319 b Jerkin or something like that. Yeah, that's really good. 539 00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:40.359 Yeah it's Sopranos. I I love that show. I try 540 00:24:40.359 --> 00:24:42.119 to rewatch it like once a year. But it's an 541 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:45.519 undertaking for sure. And yeah, it's funny, like like if 542 00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:47.680 I were to call an uber to the neighborhood whore 543 00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:51.319 Bank grew up, I would drive past several shooting locations from. 544 00:24:51.079 --> 00:24:54.000 Oh yeah, I've gone past Satin Dolls, which was the 545 00:24:54.039 --> 00:24:55.880 bottom end club a million times. 546 00:24:56.000 --> 00:24:58.720 Yeah, well it's funny. Like my buddy who lives in 547 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:04.079 West Orange now he does like a tour of the 548 00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:06.279 area for people who are coming, not not like a 549 00:25:06.319 --> 00:25:08.519 paid to her friends, and he'll show the different shooting locations, 550 00:25:08.519 --> 00:25:10.720 the scuba store that Polly's outside the beginning of an 551 00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:14.480 episode still there. I'm not I'm saying this to you, Dan. 552 00:25:14.559 --> 00:25:17.480 This is for people listening, Like Gloria's house is also there. 553 00:25:17.519 --> 00:25:21.119 It's actually the like gatehouse to a bigger mansion wedding venue. 554 00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:24.200 It's just really cool to live semi close by it 555 00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:24.759 all that now. 556 00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:27.319 But it's interesting having like, you know, I watched some 557 00:25:27.400 --> 00:25:29.039 in college when I just had I'd never been to 558 00:25:29.079 --> 00:25:31.160 New York City, i had never you know, like it 559 00:25:31.240 --> 00:25:33.480 was just just a totally foreign concept everything going on 560 00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:36.160 in the Sopranos. And now I've lived in Jersey for 561 00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:37.480 a few months when we were moving out to the 562 00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:39.279 East Coast. You know, I've been out there a million. 563 00:25:39.319 --> 00:25:42.559 I've spent a lot of time, specifically in like North Jersey, 564 00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:44.440 where most that show takes place. And so now it's 565 00:25:44.480 --> 00:25:46.839 like I hear these characters talk, and I hear the accents, 566 00:25:46.839 --> 00:25:49.039 and I'm like, oh, I've met a lot of people 567 00:25:49.079 --> 00:25:51.680 that talk exactly like this, you know. So there will 568 00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:53.400 be like a Polly Walnuts line or something, and I'll 569 00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:55.559 turn a bother and that's your dad, that's what your dad. 570 00:25:55.640 --> 00:25:57.920 Yeah. Yeah, I'm excited for you to get there's a 571 00:25:57.960 --> 00:26:01.680 few episodes in there that I'm really excited to hear 572 00:26:01.720 --> 00:26:06.359 your thoughts on. Have you seen college? Yeah, okay, gotcha, 573 00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:08.599 that's that's an all timer. But there's like, I'm sure 574 00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:10.319 you've heard of the Pine Barrens. 575 00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:12.200 Yeah, I think, Mike. I think Mike Manatty might have 576 00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:12.920 spoiled that for me. 577 00:26:13.160 --> 00:26:16.039 Yeah, yeah, oh it's it's like a Cohen Brothers movie 578 00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:18.200 in mid miniature. Well, he spoiled it for me. 579 00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:20.680 Even though Mike Manatty won't watch The Sopranos because he 580 00:26:20.680 --> 00:26:22.640 said the mob is mean and he doesn't like seeing 581 00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:24.000 mean stuff in movies. 582 00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:26.880 He spoiled the episode. I don't even know how you'd spoil. 583 00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:28.400 It because he was talking about like I'm not going 584 00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:30.359 to say what he said specifically, but he was just 585 00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:32.480 talking about, like I can't watch the Sopranos. They do 586 00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:34.640 mean stuff, like there was that one where this happens, 587 00:26:34.640 --> 00:26:36.720 and there's the one I know they do this thing 588 00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:38.960 to that person. And it's just like he's saying, you 589 00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:41.599 won't watch it because of the mean things, and so 590 00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:43.359 I know about a mean thing that happens. 591 00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:45.440 Oh yeah, that episode is full of them though, So 592 00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:48.640 I don't curious. I'll ask you off off, Mike, but 593 00:26:48.680 --> 00:26:50.079 I'm glad you're liking it. But yeah, I was talking 594 00:26:50.079 --> 00:26:51.920 a bank too, because now with mad Men on HBO, 595 00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:53.680 I think that's having a resurgence as well. 596 00:26:54.079 --> 00:26:55.920 Yeah, I've sat down with her a few times just 597 00:26:55.920 --> 00:26:57.640 at the same deck. Well she's been watching that and 598 00:26:58.000 --> 00:27:00.119 you know, just through osmosis, seeing a bit of it, 599 00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:03.480 and like, yeah, there's something about the pace of mad 600 00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:05.640 Men that I just could never really. 601 00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:09.960 Do you know, Yeah, so slow, it's slow. Yeah, Yeah, 602 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:15.000 that is the show that like more than the Sopranos 603 00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:18.359 or The Wire, which are very like I think, verb heavy, 604 00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:20.759 and there's still a lot going on into the surface. 605 00:27:20.759 --> 00:27:22.799 I think mad Men is really relies on the stuff 606 00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:25.039 going on on the surface, and that that's why I 607 00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:26.359 don't push that show all the time, because if the 608 00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:27.720 pace doesn't work for you, I can't like. 609 00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:31.519 I don't I don't like the characters, and it's just 610 00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:33.119 like I don't know, like I can I can recognize 611 00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:35.680 it's clearly a very well made show, but just nothing 612 00:27:35.680 --> 00:27:36.920 about it makes me want to watch it. 613 00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:37.160 Really. 614 00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:40.839 If you are looking for like a faster pace, you 615 00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:43.119 gotta you gotta get into Naruto. 616 00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:46.519 It is just action packed. 617 00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:51.559 I cannot believe how much these kids go through. I'm 618 00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:52.920 constantly almost dying. 619 00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:56.000 I believe you, it's so good. 620 00:27:57.319 --> 00:28:00.200 I'm still down with Rudo. I also started an you 621 00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:02.640 anime which I know neither of you guys will watch. 622 00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:04.799 Best not to talk to you about it. 623 00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:06.160 It's not anime. 624 00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:08.119 I don't think you're anti anime. I think you'll be 625 00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:11.400 anti this anime. It's called high School of the Dead. Actually, Mike, 626 00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:13.680 maybe maybe I could sell this on you. It is 627 00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:17.279 uh so, it's zombies attack a high school. So all 628 00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:20.000 these high school students are like navigating what would happen 629 00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:23.640 if the entire world was like completely transformed, and now 630 00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:25.400 there's a zombie outbreak and you have to deal with it. 631 00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:27.599 And they show a lot of students dying in the 632 00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:30.200 first episode, like immediately, like all these kids are like 633 00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:34.519 fucking dying in front of everybody. But the fan service 634 00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:36.440 is outrageous. 635 00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:37.279 Let me stop. 636 00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:39.039 Let me ask you a question there, because I have 637 00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:42.880 used that phrase before fan service. I did it on 638 00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:45.680 John Bomb East podcast once and I talked about something 639 00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:48.119 like I used it in the phrase of like there's 640 00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:49.960 a lot of fan service in terms of just like 641 00:28:50.319 --> 00:28:53.839 references in winking at like hay your eggs, Easter eggs, 642 00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:55.160 and like like a thing doing a lot like a 643 00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:57.400 New Star Wars show doing a lot of callbacks to 644 00:28:57.440 --> 00:28:59.720 the original trilogy or something like that. That was my 645 00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:01.960 seeing a fan service and I were abby was like, 646 00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:03.720 wait what, I didn't know. There's a bunch of like 647 00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:06.640 there's a bunch of DNA and whatever. I was talking 648 00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:07.200 about P and A. 649 00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:07.559 What are you doing. 650 00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:09.200 I'm talking about references and stuff like. 651 00:29:09.400 --> 00:29:13.759 In anime, fan service means paying tribute to the horny 652 00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:15.319 boys and having like. 653 00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:17.400 Boys watch anime. 654 00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:19.200 They love it. 655 00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:22.599 It doesn't track to me, they love it. 656 00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:25.559 Yeah, that is true. I guess it depends. A fan 657 00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:28.200 service in a Star Wars is very different than fan 658 00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:32.079 service in an anime, But in anime, fan service means 659 00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:37.400 heavily like suggestive upskirts and shots. 660 00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:41.279 Yeah people, Yeah. 661 00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:45.079 Yeah, it's crazy. It's there's this like iconic scene where 662 00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:50.160 they're shooting a really high caliber rifle at zombies and 663 00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:54.200 the recoil is making these boobies like ripple, that's that's 664 00:29:54.279 --> 00:29:58.240 funny and yeah, and it's it's it is so vivid. 665 00:29:58.279 --> 00:30:01.000 They're like it's in slow mo and she's like no, 666 00:30:01.480 --> 00:30:03.599 and as they shoot it, it just goes into slow moost 667 00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:07.599 so she's like no, and you see the ripple of 668 00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:10.440 the boob go all the way through the nipple to 669 00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:13.839 the other boob. It's so amazing watching this. 670 00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:19.039 I'm just curious. 671 00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:22.039 And then this one, this one's for you, Mike. And 672 00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:25.319 then there's a shot where he shoots a bullet through 673 00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:27.839 that same gun and one of the other girls she's 674 00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:31.000 fighting a zombie, right, so she's in the limelight. She's 675 00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:33.480 like in the line of the shot of the bullet, 676 00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:36.720 and she does a sick backflip and as she does 677 00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:42.319 the backflip, her boobies cross and the bullet goes in 678 00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:46.680 between the boobies as they flow, and it misses both 679 00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:49.240 boobies and then hits a zombie in the head. And 680 00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:51.559 I was like, I just crazy. 681 00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:54.640 Thought of someone like staying after work one of the 682 00:30:54.680 --> 00:30:59.559 animators like fucking Taco Bell and half drunk like Baja blasts, 683 00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:03.039 just working to make sure the boob gap is perfect 684 00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:10.559 for the fifty round, which was really moved. Thereous really 685 00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:14.200 need to do. I know people are jaying it to 686 00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:17.319 that stuff like I'm sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, I wonder. 687 00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:26.119 Oh, I think that's what this is. It's like, that's 688 00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:28.440 what fan service I suppose is doing. Is it's like 689 00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:31.119 this ability to have and it is a good show. 690 00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:33.799 I think it's really entertaining and really interesting, and it 691 00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:37.400 just has these vivid shots. I just have to be like, 692 00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:40.119 oh my god. I basically have these like reactions of 693 00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:42.119 like I can't believe they did that. But at this 694 00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:45.240 point I can't really be shocked at anything because it's 695 00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:48.359 so claringly obvious. But I'll have to see if I 696 00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:50.960 can find like a gift or something of the Booby one, 697 00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:52.519 because it was one of the ones where I was like, 698 00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:58.119 that is absolutely outrageously well done. Like it's so it's 699 00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:01.359 so blunt and obvious, but it's also like, I don't know, 700 00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:03.559 someone animated that, someone put a lot of energy in 701 00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:05.200 that and made sure that it worked. 702 00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:07.200 It's like in the middle of an action scene where 703 00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:09.319 they're all shooting and stuff, are people just expected to 704 00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:12.240 like drop their trousers and just whack off real quick? 705 00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:13.720 Like if it's just like a it's like not a 706 00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:17.839 sex scene, right, they're racing against the SCD get. 707 00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:18.279 Done real quick. 708 00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:20.240 Yeah, Okay, I found a gift of it. Can I 709 00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:20.799 share it with you? 710 00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:22.839 Guys? I'm going to get put on a list. 711 00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:26.160 You're gonna get put on a list. 712 00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:29.119 Oh god, Okay, here it is. There's a bullet, there's 713 00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:38.400 a what that's that's stupid. That's very fucking stupid. That's 714 00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:39.680 so fucking dumb. 715 00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:42.599 Wait a minute, I love it. Are things slow and 716 00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:45.079 then they're like. 717 00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:50.119 It's beautiful. It's so shocking. 718 00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:51.680 Like a scissor motion with the boot. This is dumb. 719 00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:57.000 They are supposedly in high school and moving so fast 720 00:32:57.039 --> 00:33:00.240 for that bullet past one and then they just which 721 00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:04.880 figure eight and then it goes past another one. 722 00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:07.640 Is it supposed to be ridiculous or like funny or. 723 00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:14.000 It's funny. It's humor, it's silly, a lot of violence. 724 00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:16.640 It's also very violent. It's also very serious in the 725 00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:18.839 sense like you know, their friends are dying, like their 726 00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:21.240 loved ones are dying, So serious elements to it. But 727 00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:24.519 I would say more than not. This is like cheeky 728 00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:28.839 and funny action and like hyper sexual and like the 729 00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:31.279 weirdest ways. And this is a good example of like 730 00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:33.480 that is such a strange. 731 00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:36.920 Yeah, that's over the top on purpose. 732 00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:41.880 It's over the top intentionally. And I was laughing during 733 00:33:41.920 --> 00:33:44.480 these scenes. I could not get over how funny they were. 734 00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:48.400 But it looks like a Roman ruin. 735 00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:51.799 Yeah, I mean they're in the they're in Japan, like 736 00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:53.759 in the city now, and so like a lot of 737 00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:57.079 it because it's been taken over by zombies. It's no 738 00:33:57.160 --> 00:33:59.640 longer inhabitable, and so you're probably I think they're like 739 00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:02.640 in a what do you call that, like a waterway. 740 00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:04.440 Or something like that, that's a viaduct or something. 741 00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:07.000 So yeah, this because I know all these shows have 742 00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:10.440 like nine thousand episodes, so like, is this sit down 743 00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:12.480 paying attention or is this like steam deck and it's 744 00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:12.960 not on the pack. 745 00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:15.360 I usually have a steam deck, but I'll put it 746 00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:16.599 down for the booby scenes. 747 00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:20.599 I think you need you need both hands for the 748 00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:21.199 booby scenes. 749 00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:24.360 You need you need all the concentration. When there's an 750 00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:27.559 action shot, I think it's I probably missed some of 751 00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:29.960 them because of the steam deck action. But to me, 752 00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:34.320 same thing with Naruto. There's usually filler episodes. So an anime, 753 00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:37.320 it's like really standard that after a heavy action scene, 754 00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:39.440 just because the animators put a lot of energy in 755 00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:42.480 these action sequences, they need a filler episode. This is 756 00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:45.679 an episode where they have almost no animation and the 757 00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:48.119 characters talk to each other and one of them maybe 758 00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:50.719 flirts with another one and they get like all flush 759 00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:51.840 and I go and they go, oh my god, I 760 00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:53.880 can't believe you said that to me. And that's an 761 00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:57.360 entire episode, and so I can be steam decking during that. 762 00:34:57.360 --> 00:34:59.639 That is a waste of my time. I'll listen to 763 00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:02.039 it kind of and like do it. But when I 764 00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:04.719 hear someone be like let's fight, I put the steam 765 00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:07.719 deck down and I watch the action sequences. There are 766 00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:11.960 animes where they specifically cut out all of the filler episodes, 767 00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:14.840 and I don't do that that steam deck time. 768 00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:17.400 That's what we did per dragon Ball because they did 769 00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:20.039 the dragon Ball Z. And then there was Kai, which 770 00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:21.840 was like just cutting out the part where it's like, oh, 771 00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:24.840 Goku and Piccolo or getting their driver's license or whatever, 772 00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:30.000 and cut that stuff, and I think that's an actual episode. 773 00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:33.320 That's really funny. Yeah, Kai is. It's kind of important. 774 00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:35.360 Like if if I were to recommend an anime, I 775 00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:38.480 would definitely be like, watch the shortened versions or even 776 00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:40.159 look up a guide. You can look up a guide 777 00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:43.280 to Naruto that will prevent you from watching six episodes 778 00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:47.519 of them walking to town, and like that's it. It's 779 00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:49.239 just like you don't need all you don't need that. 780 00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:53.360 That's obviously filler and it can make people leave the show, 781 00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:57.440 but for me, I use that as like really excellent 782 00:35:57.840 --> 00:35:58.639 gaming time. 783 00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:02.039 Yeah, I am braced for anime and because Gershon and 784 00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:04.079 I are about to start up all systems Goku again, 785 00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:06.079 and it's like but like, since we're doing a podcast 786 00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:08.159 about it, like I'm paying attention, I'm taking notes and 787 00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:10.800 stuff like that. So I think I think we're gonna 788 00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:12.880 do the original one, the original run of dragon Ball 789 00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:15.360 with like no you know, like filler episodes at all. 790 00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:16.199 Is wow? 791 00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:18.519 The plans So yeah. 792 00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:20.519 Well there's some fan service in that one. So in 793 00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:26.840 Joe Dragonball, there's a little bit really oh yeah dragon 794 00:36:26.840 --> 00:36:30.159 Ball there, that one I think is I mean, it's 795 00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:31.960 just a classic. What else can you say? But I 796 00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:34.239 mean I would I would die to have you guys 797 00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:37.840 watch one episode of High School of the Dead and 798 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:40.400 like react to how absurd it is. It's just so 799 00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:44.079 it's so ridiculous and it knows what it is to 800 00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:48.719 an insane degree. And the character designs. You'll see so 801 00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:52.199 many characters you'll be like that girl, their boobs are 802 00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:56.000 too big, and I'm very open about all boobs. I'll 803 00:36:56.039 --> 00:36:59.639 be like, that is unnecessary. You have made this character's 804 00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:04.400 boob too big and they cannot walk, they cannot run, 805 00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:07.840 they cannot do anything because you have made their boobs 806 00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:08.239 so big. 807 00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:10.280 But they can make a mean apple pie. 808 00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:14.320 They can. In this anime, they're the nurse and so 809 00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:17.159 they're like, can I help you? I are trying to 810 00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:21.159 stitch people up, But she just has like Triple F's 811 00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:22.760 and she looks ridiculous. 812 00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:25.960 She just gets in the way during surgery. 813 00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:29.559 Ever be a doctor with those. 814 00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:36.320 We started the pit speaking of surgery. Yeah, yes, episode 815 00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:41.239 a very different show eat Triple F and Surgery. 816 00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:45.079 I'm on season two, so I've seen season one. I 817 00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:47.079 won't spoil it for you, but I actually thought it 818 00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:51.400 was absolutely phenomenal and I'm really excited to hear what 819 00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:53.559 you think. The only thing that it's like is hard 820 00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:56.400 about it is after a long, stressful day, is very 821 00:37:56.400 --> 00:38:00.480 difficult to recommend someone this show because it is so RESTful, 822 00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:06.239 and it is very vivid of the scenes of people 823 00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:08.400 getting hurt and so somebody has a bone sticking out. 824 00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:09.119 They show it. 825 00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:10.400 Oh, they show. 826 00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:10.719 All of it. 827 00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:14.360 They show how to do plenty of very invasive medical procedures, 828 00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:15.719 not howitorialize. 829 00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:18.320 But like, is it supposedly like pretty accurate. 830 00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:20.920 I don't know, it looks real. 831 00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:24.079 They say so, like I think they're always taking liberties. 832 00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:27.880 But when when they're saying this is probably like every 833 00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:30.039 medical show, but you know, they'll be like, this person's 834 00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:31.599 bleeding out and they'll be like, you just need to 835 00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:34.840 flip the lung upside down and that'll stop it. And 836 00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:36.679 I'll be like, Okay, I don't know about that, but 837 00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:39.800 like I do think there are other elements where maybe 838 00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:41.920 something will pop out of socket and they will show 839 00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:44.280 vividly how to put a bone back into socket and 840 00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:47.440 someone who's like bleeding out, and I think that's pretty fucking. 841 00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:50.039 Cool and combat X ray. But like in reverse where 842 00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:52.239 it's like fixing the bone. 843 00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:56.920 Someone gets her de gloved from the like knee down 844 00:38:57.000 --> 00:39:00.320 in the first episode. Is that what that means? You 845 00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:06.079 loved loved basically more deeper than skin. Yeah, it's it's 846 00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:10.880 just her leg is just nerves and veins and that's 847 00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:11.320 no good. 848 00:39:11.800 --> 00:39:15.360 Yeah, but it's a conception is disgusting. Is that what 849 00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:20.039 happened to Jimmy Kimmel's wearing his wedding ring? I get 850 00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:24.239 them mixed up because they're the same guy. His ring 851 00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:27.400 Stark and something and it rips his finger skin off. 852 00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:31.000 Yeah, that's why you should not get I forget what 853 00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:41.440 metal is titanium married. Wanna talk about video games? All right? Dan? 854 00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:44.639 I have to ask right off the bat. I see 855 00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:48.400 you're playing Securo. Are you doing it the weekly thing? 856 00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:51.639 Hour a week for stream? Are you like playing playing now? I? 857 00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:55.079 Uh, it's too good. And I also think that like 858 00:39:55.480 --> 00:39:57.519 the muscle memory and things like that, I don't want 859 00:39:57.519 --> 00:39:59.719 to wait a week between sessions with it. So like 860 00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:02.599 I've just dreamed a bunch of sessions at like two 861 00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:06.199 plus hours a time, like every almost every other day 862 00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:08.000 or so, like several times a week since I started out. 863 00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:10.320 And yeah, I'm glad you're doing that, because that would 864 00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:12.159 be a rough way to play that game. 865 00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:13.840 Yeah, remind me, do you beat this? 866 00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:15.280 Yes? Nice? 867 00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:19.480 Okay, Okay, that that's good to hear because I'm so 868 00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:21.440 intimidated by it. But like I did just get past 869 00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:23.440 a really big skill check from what people told me. 870 00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:25.079 And they told me if I could beat this Cane 871 00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:27.639 Tiro guy, that I could beat the game. And I did, 872 00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:30.840 and it took like better part of two hours of 873 00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:32.840 like fighting him over and over and over and over again, 874 00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:35.679 and three phases of this fight, and the introduced this 875 00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:39.519 crazy mechanic just in the third phase. But man, it's 876 00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:42.000 like the feeling I had when I beat him was 877 00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:44.400 like it's I can only compare it to like when 878 00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:46.039 I beat my tyson for the first time, you know, 879 00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:48.360 where it's like this huge thing that you overcome that 880 00:40:48.519 --> 00:40:51.599 just takes just a genuine amount of skill. You can't 881 00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:53.639 just kind of match with this stuff. You have to 882 00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:55.719 learn this stuff and learn this attacks, and then like 883 00:40:55.960 --> 00:40:58.400 when you have that moment, it's just like fuck, that's 884 00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:00.679 just like this is what video games are all about, 885 00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:03.960 you know. So I just continue to adore this game. 886 00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:06.719 Also, like the level design. The environments are amazing too, 887 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:09.239 Like the little sandboxes you could if you're playing stealthily 888 00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:11.480 and trying to clear out a horde, if you pick 889 00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:13.280 off enemies from a horde before you go in and 890 00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:17.239 fully fight them, yeah sorry, mob, not horde. That you 891 00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:19.280 could do that, And like, you know, like the verticality 892 00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:21.039 of the grappling hook and everything kind of gives you 893 00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:24.639 that option, which I appreciate that because in many of 894 00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:27.079 the Frumsoft games it's harder to go in and kind 895 00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:30.159 of whittle away at the crowd before you fully dive 896 00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:31.000 in there. This wee. 897 00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:33.480 Yeah, there was an area. There's an area that had like, 898 00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:36.159 you know, seven normal sized dudes and like two big 899 00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:38.480 dudes with hammers and stuff that I was at recently, 900 00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:40.960 and like, you know, it's a lot if you go 901 00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:42.639 in there and they're all going to be swinging at you, 902 00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:44.480 and no matter how good you are at Perry's, you're 903 00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:45.800 not going to hit them all with like them all 904 00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:47.880 gang up on you. And then it's like, okay, wait, 905 00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:49.760 I can go underneath this building here, and then I 906 00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:51.199 can kind of get out this fence here and I 907 00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:53.159 can stab this guy ooh, and I can hop down 908 00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:54.679 and kill this guy here. I can throw the ceramic 909 00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:56.639 shard here and make him go over there. And like 910 00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:59.480 I've never been great at stealth, but like it's really 911 00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:01.679 elegant in this game. And like once you just started 912 00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:03.440 kind of like you said, yeah, the verticality, You're like, 913 00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:05.239 I'm gonna sit on this free branch here and then 914 00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:06.559 I'll be able to pop down on this guy go 915 00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:09.440 over Like it it works and it makes you feel 916 00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:11.440 awesome when you're able to do it with stealth. And 917 00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:13.239 it also makes you feel awesome if you go in 918 00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:15.480 and you fight him head on, and it's just that 919 00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:17.960 game is just nothing but like incredible gameplay moment after 920 00:42:18.079 --> 00:42:19.199 incredible gameplay moment. 921 00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:21.360 Oh yeah, yeah, there's some bosses later on. I'm excited 922 00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:22.000 for you to see. 923 00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:26.199 I thought the night guy on the bridge, Yeah, yeah, 924 00:42:26.199 --> 00:42:27.480 that was a fun one. That was like I had 925 00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:29.039 a gimmick to killing him, which was funny. 926 00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:32.559 It's also beautiful, isn't it. Like it's it's stunningly gorgeous. 927 00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:37.599 The sequences that they put in lots of like the 928 00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:41.000 fall and the leaves and stuff like that. I just 929 00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:45.079 think it's a very pretty game. I found it so stressful. 930 00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:47.840 I have not beaten Sakio. I think I think I 931 00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:50.519 probably quit like halfway through. I just think I was like, 932 00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:53.559 this game is too hard for me. But I did 933 00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:55.239 really I loved what I played of it. 934 00:42:55.880 --> 00:42:58.079 And how many times is there that thing where you 935 00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:00.639 reach a mini boss or boss or sex and it's 936 00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:02.800 just like the first two or three times, I think 937 00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:04.079 this might be it. I don't know if I'm gonna 938 00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:05.760 be able to do this. And then you just keep 939 00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:08.440 trying and trying and trying, and your brain just keeps 940 00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:10.559 learning and learning and learning and knowing when to predict 941 00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:12.719 certain things, and then you beat it and you feel 942 00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:18.119 awesome and rinse and repeat over and over. Like not bad, 943 00:43:18.679 --> 00:43:21.199 especially like this big like as. 944 00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:22.320 Well designed. 945 00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:37.519 Well Mary Mary press away. 946 00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:42.159 Dan is right one that to be banned. 947 00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:45.840 Sorry I could not. That was a low hang. 948 00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:48.280 No, the run backs are great because it's like, yeah, 949 00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:51.239 I defended it in Silk Song because I I didn't 950 00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:55.199 think it was ever that bad really, but I would 951 00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:58.079 be pissed off if, like before this gan T fight, 952 00:43:58.079 --> 00:43:59.679 which I did over and over and over again, if 953 00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:01.079 I did had to do a bunch of horse shit 954 00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:03.119 to get up there, you know, that would have annoyed me. 955 00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:06.000 So yeah, yeah, there is something they're not having the 956 00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:06.800 run back for sure. 957 00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:11.880 Yeah. The also, like it's the Cantiro fight is just 958 00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:16.440 unreal for it. I think the game literally tests you. 959 00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:21.239 It makes sure at that point that you legitimately know 960 00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:25.119 how to do everything as that character, because there's not 961 00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:28.400 a single encounter like knowing when to jump as opposed 962 00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:30.639 to countering and when to dodge as opposed to jumping. 963 00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:33.960 Like it's it's incredible, really really good boss fight, but 964 00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:37.000 there's stuff later on. I think Jake. Jake definitely has 965 00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:40.039 beaten the game more than I have. I believe he 966 00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:43.760 likes it quite a bit. But it's funny. Everybody has 967 00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:46.199 that one boss that just gives them a lot of 968 00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:50.719 trouble comparatively, and I have one in that game. I 969 00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:54.719 haven't seen it yet. No, okay, it's like a midway boss. 970 00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:57.960 Definitely anothers but you might find it. You might be like, 971 00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:00.360 oh that was yours? Like that? I found that really easy. 972 00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:03.480 There's just certain types of bosses I always have difficulty 973 00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:07.679 with in from soft games. But when you when, I'll 974 00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:09.760 check it again next episode and I'll know if you 975 00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:10.800 have fought him yet. 976 00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:13.039 I'm about to fight the monkey, gotcha? 977 00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:15.800 Okay? And I know the gammick with them, gotcha? 978 00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:16.880 I remember the monkey. 979 00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:19.559 Oh okay, so you've you've You've made it pretty damn 980 00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:22.440 fart then nyeah, under the monkey. 981 00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:27.079 I feel like I might yeah, yeah, that might have been. 982 00:45:27.320 --> 00:45:29.119 That might have been who did it for me? And 983 00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:30.400 I don't remember. 984 00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:33.880 That might have been. That might be almost halfway, might 985 00:45:33.920 --> 00:45:37.000 as well be halfway, I guess. Yeah. Okay, Ish, what 986 00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:39.159 are you like twenty five hours in or something? 987 00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:42.920 I'm like fifteen I want to say, uh yeah, but 988 00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:44.559 I looked at like a long play, and I looked 989 00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:46.400 at where I was, and I'm like halfway on the timeline. 990 00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:51.000 Basically, I love that game. It's that was. If it 991 00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:52.760 wasn't for Outer Wilds, I would have been my favorite 992 00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:53.920 game of twenty nineteen. 993 00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:56.320 It's just interesting how that stuff happens where It's like, 994 00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:58.280 especially with certain outlets where it's like there are just 995 00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:01.880 always blind spots and stuff where like I don't remember 996 00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:03.679 this being talked about much of Giant Bomb back then, 997 00:46:03.800 --> 00:46:06.719 you know, so Hidden Gem. 998 00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:08.719 Yeah, I feel like Dan. 999 00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:11.599 Well, like like this year Yota was one that I 1000 00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:13.280 was the only one that played it at Giant Bomb, 1001 00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:14.840 and like it's just interesting. 1002 00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:17.519 You'd think someone there would be like really stoked about 1003 00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:19.360 a game like Yota. That's huge. 1004 00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:21.800 Yeah, But I mean that's always the case with any 1005 00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:23.880 outlet I think where it's just like okay, yeah we 1006 00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:25.920 got X amount of people and just no one really 1007 00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:26.880 played this one this year. 1008 00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:30.400 You know, It's still interesting though, because that's like a 1009 00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:33.199 major one. It's like sometimes I wonder though, when you're 1010 00:46:33.239 --> 00:46:36.599 playing games all the time, you're like, well, we're gonna 1011 00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:40.920 replay Banjo KAZUOI and we don't have time to play 1012 00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:42.199 this from soft can. 1013 00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:46.639 Look Mike Nadia played Virtuos over the three d O 1014 00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:47.719 right now and it's impair. 1015 00:46:48.679 --> 00:46:50.000 We're booked and busy. 1016 00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:50.920 Sorry. 1017 00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:52.920 Started Resident Evil nine. 1018 00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:56.679 Did you play that? I did not. 1019 00:46:57.039 --> 00:46:58.960 Jan did and we put up a video. I did 1020 00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:01.000 not watch it because I don't want to. I want 1021 00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:03.000 to go in pretty blind. But like just hearing Jan 1022 00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:05.840 talk about it, like, oh man, I'm in a Resident 1023 00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:06.880 Evil mood right now. 1024 00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:09.000 I don't even like I'm not. I'm trying not to 1025 00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:11.639 even read about it. I know. The big thing news 1026 00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:13.199 that was came out a couple weeks so that it's 1027 00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:15.559 like open world or like sort of open world SAMBARTI. 1028 00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:18.440 But they did that in previous ones kind of. 1029 00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:20.880 This is yeah, that's what I said, and then people 1030 00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:23.960 were like, no, this is you know, this is more 1031 00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:28.000 open world kind of interesting, yeah, or at least like 1032 00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:29.760 open that. I was like, yeah, The Evil Within two 1033 00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:31.559 sort of did that as well, like several open worlds 1034 00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:32.400 in that game, and I like that. 1035 00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:36.559 I liked that and Evil Within I think it's nice 1036 00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:38.000 to give you a little bit of choice as long 1037 00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:41.039 as you generally know what you're supposed to do. I 1038 00:47:41.079 --> 00:47:43.280 just don't like it when I'm like, no, I'm just lost. 1039 00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:45.920 Yeah, modern R games are so good with maps, you know, 1040 00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:48.159 like RI two remake and four. It's like, you know, 1041 00:47:48.199 --> 00:47:50.400 I'm not worried if it is more open. I'm sure 1042 00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:51.559 they'll be pretty good about that. 1043 00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:56.400 Oh yeah, we'll be good. But apparently enemies are on. 1044 00:47:56.559 --> 00:48:00.000 Like what did I see? I think Jesse Vittelli had 1045 00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:01.639 done a quick like Instagram. 1046 00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:04.679 Video for I saw that on idea of the butcher 1047 00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:06.760 and stuff where you're standing in one spot and. 1048 00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:08.679 Yeah, the AI is on more of like a Hitman 1049 00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:11.199 kind of clock where they're actually going about doing more 1050 00:48:11.239 --> 00:48:13.400 believable things or not just like waiting at that one 1051 00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:18.039 fireplace until you walk in. Mm hmm. That's pretty enticing. Yeah, 1052 00:48:18.039 --> 00:48:19.280 I'm looking forward to it. I can't wait. 1053 00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:21.400 Is the most excited I've been for Resne Evels since 1054 00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:22.320 maybe four. 1055 00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:24.519 Four remake. 1056 00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:27.480 I had four or four, I think in terms of 1057 00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:29.760 his excitement levels and like, like, I got excited for all 1058 00:48:29.800 --> 00:48:30.519 the new ones. 1059 00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:32.320 But the one where they uh is seven, the one 1060 00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:33.400 with the family. 1061 00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:38.079 Yeah, yeah, seven, I was excited for eight. Yeah. 1062 00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:42.119 I think seven had some real excitement built up once 1063 00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:45.079 people realized that the dad did different things based on 1064 00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:47.559 where you were. I think that's so sick, like he 1065 00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:51.039 would kind of bust through different walls based on where 1066 00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:51.360 you were. 1067 00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:54.280 But I think there's also my mind gpticism, like leading 1068 00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:56.400 up to seven, because it's like we're coming off of 1069 00:48:56.519 --> 00:49:00.599 six would suck to ass and it's like, okay, we're yeah, 1070 00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:02.039 it's like we're doing some new stuff. 1071 00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:04.559 A real donker. Yeah yeah. 1072 00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:07.079 So like the stock was not high, so it's like, okay, 1073 00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:09.920 we're doing first person. It's just like, okay, we'll see 1074 00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:12.719 hopefully this is good. But like the hype factor wasn't 1075 00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:14.880 as there, and like now it's like we're coming off 1076 00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:18.519 of two numbered ones that were good, too, great, great, 1077 00:49:18.679 --> 00:49:21.239 you know, I would say I would say Village was 1078 00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:24.519 very good and seven was excellent, and like so I 1079 00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:27.960 think nine and everything they've shown of nine just seems 1080 00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:30.119 like everything I like out of resioneval games, you know, 1081 00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:31.920 the action of the poor, you know, the more kind 1082 00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:33.159 of like the survival horror stuff. 1083 00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:36.960 Yeah. I liked seven quite a bit for doing the 1084 00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:41.800 like Texas Chainsaw, Maascar Vibe, rural horror. Eight did more 1085 00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:46.960 gothic Dracula inspired horror. I'm not as psyched to go 1086 00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:50.320 back to Raccoon City again. I feel like I've seen 1087 00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:53.519 all I need to see of Raccoon City like that, 1088 00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:56.039 I think there are six games set there that I played. 1089 00:49:56.079 --> 00:49:58.480 I've if they could squeeze more out of it, awesome, 1090 00:49:59.039 --> 00:49:59.519 But I think. 1091 00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:02.760 I'm always gonna I prefer a setting that is a 1092 00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:05.400 relatable like, oh, this is like an American city. I 1093 00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:07.639 think I'll always find that more interesting than like a 1094 00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:10.800 gothic fantasy thing or you know, like I mean seven 1095 00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:13.920 was set in just like rural South, you know, but 1096 00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:16.440 like I don't know, just like a city that seems relatable, 1097 00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:18.480 you know. I think that's that's my favorite type of setting. 1098 00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:21.599 Yeah, I'm looking forward to it, and I like that 1099 00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:27.199 it's the first time since well seven had two playable characters, 1100 00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:33.639 but it wasn't like interchangeable. It was a gimmicks section. Yeah, 1101 00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:37.920 but eight had eight did too, But it's way at 1102 00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:39.199 the end you play. But this is when you can 1103 00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:41.119 actually go back to the old school, like choose which 1104 00:50:41.119 --> 00:50:44.280 one to play first, as which is exciting? Is it 1105 00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:46.840 choosing to play first or is it like a reason? Oh? 1106 00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:47.840 Is it interweaving, like. 1107 00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:51.559 I'm not sure. I'm not positive how it works. If 1108 00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:54.239 it's like interset moment like now your grace or whatever, or. 1109 00:50:54.199 --> 00:50:55.559 Is it like an old school one where it's like 1110 00:50:55.800 --> 00:50:58.679 playing as Leon first will change it for when you 1111 00:50:58.679 --> 00:50:59.480 play as. 1112 00:50:59.880 --> 00:51:02.800 I think it's one campaign. But again, I've kind of 1113 00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:05.000 been avoiding most stuff about herself. 1114 00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:10.280 Yeahana Wan, Yeah, OK, Mary, what have you been playing. 1115 00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:12.679 I've been playing a couple of things, but the one 1116 00:51:12.679 --> 00:51:14.760 that I'm most excited to talk to you about is Mio. 1117 00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:19.480 This game was recommended to me by multiple people, which 1118 00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:22.360 is so awesome when that happens, when people are like, 1119 00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:25.159 I think this is for you. Uh, they were right. 1120 00:51:26.519 --> 00:51:31.960 This is a metroid vania. Uh it is. It is 1121 00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:36.159 between Hollow Night and Or for me. It has the 1122 00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:40.800 difficulty curve of a Hollow Night, but I think that 1123 00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:45.199 it is kinder and it is more is easier for 1124 00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:49.000 people to understand and adapt to. And I like the 1125 00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:53.079 Or comparison because it's in a fantastically beautiful world where 1126 00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:56.400 you're just kind of like this weird, little floaty creature 1127 00:51:57.360 --> 00:52:02.239 and it really plays on the platforming mechanics of how 1128 00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:05.639 floaty and how delicate you can be in these absolute 1129 00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:11.800 brutal platforming spaces. But it is. It is awesome. A 1130 00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:16.159 couple things that I really like about it. It's challenging, 1131 00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:20.119 but again it's not frustrating. These boss fights are absolutely learnable. 1132 00:52:20.440 --> 00:52:22.320 You will figure them out. Each boss fight that I 1133 00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:24.199 have encountered, I've been like, holy shit, this guy beat 1134 00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:26.360 my ass, and then within like thirty minutes, I'm like, 1135 00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:28.119 I know this guy's skills. I know exactly what to 1136 00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:31.800 do here. I can get through it. There's no contact damage, 1137 00:52:31.960 --> 00:52:33.800 so you can get right up in a boss's face 1138 00:52:33.800 --> 00:52:37.079 and unless it attacks you, no damage. I really appreciate 1139 00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:37.880 that about this game. 1140 00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:38.400 That's cool. 1141 00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:44.039 It has a currency that you lose when you die, 1142 00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:47.159 and you do not go to get it back. It's 1143 00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:49.960 gone when you die, it's gone. But here's what I 1144 00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:52.519 like about it. There are different areas in the game 1145 00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:55.760 where you can harden your currency into an item that 1146 00:52:55.800 --> 00:52:58.840 you don't lose when you die. 1147 00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:01.920 Yes, but you don't you don't pay like a backpack 1148 00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:03.519 and Escape from Tarkov. 1149 00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:10.840 Yes, yes, of course, just like Escape from Duckov. Yes, 1150 00:53:11.199 --> 00:53:12.960 I know you love Escape from Duckov. 1151 00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:14.440 I like that game. 1152 00:53:14.480 --> 00:53:21.239 Actually, so the currency system, it feels like it's you 1153 00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:25.960 don't get too frustrated. I've definitely lost my my currency before. 1154 00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:28.840 I forget what it's called, doesn't really matter. It's like 1155 00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:34.119 shape hard money. You pick it up from fallen enemies 1156 00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:36.440 or from the dead that you occur. You know, you 1157 00:53:36.440 --> 00:53:38.159 you like find along the way, but you want to 1158 00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:40.280 harden it and then you buy upgrades with it. The 1159 00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:43.320 upgrade system is also sick and very hollow night It 1160 00:53:43.400 --> 00:53:46.320 is a badge based system. But think you're a machine, 1161 00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:50.880 so you have to implant these different pieces, but you 1162 00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:53.480 only have so much hardware like hardware like, you can 1163 00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:55.719 only accept so many pieces at once, and they're all 1164 00:53:55.719 --> 00:53:59.840 worth different amounts. And so I gave up being able 1165 00:53:59.880 --> 00:54:02.239 to see my own health to being so that I 1166 00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:07.159 could see the enemy's health. I gave up scraping more 1167 00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:10.079 money from each enemy so that I could do a 1168 00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:13.559 better final move of my triple move. And so my 1169 00:54:13.719 --> 00:54:16.400 third move on my combo does like way more damage. 1170 00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:19.480 Now I just added one. I think this one's really fun. 1171 00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:24.519 I have one now that all of the health upgrade 1172 00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:29.000 spaces cost nothing, and I have that one on so 1173 00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:31.800 that when I'm doing a platforming section, I can just 1174 00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:35.480 heal without spending a dime. I can heal all the 1175 00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:39.320 time and do these like really brutal platforming sections. And 1176 00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:40.679 then when I'm going to get to a boss, I 1177 00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:43.320 take that off because I don't need it anymore, and 1178 00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:46.719 I put on something that as I take more damage, 1179 00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:50.280 I do more damage. And so I'm constantly changing my 1180 00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:53.840 system out based on the environment that it's put me in. 1181 00:54:55.159 --> 00:54:56.760 A Couple more things I just like wanted to quickly 1182 00:54:56.760 --> 00:54:59.880 bring up. I think it's stunning. The background environments look 1183 00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:02.920 and drawn and almost like hand painted, but you are 1184 00:55:03.039 --> 00:55:07.840 very mechanical, so it's half looks like natural environment half 1185 00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:12.320 mechanical robot, which I think is a beautiful way to 1186 00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:14.760 do it. There's a city that is covered in ice 1187 00:55:15.199 --> 00:55:18.400 that I just found that I think is so stunningly 1188 00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:20.559 beautiful and I can't wait to figure out more of it. 1189 00:55:21.239 --> 00:55:23.760 And again, I think the platforming is phenomenal. I keep 1190 00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:26.480 learning new moves. God I want to dash, but right 1191 00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:29.320 now I have like a double jump while jumping, a 1192 00:55:29.360 --> 00:55:31.679 floaty move. I mean, I've found all these really good 1193 00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:35.199 moves that have completely blown this game out of the 1194 00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:37.000 water for me. I mean, this is my number one 1195 00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:39.360 I mean this is this is good the game the 1196 00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:40.559 only game I want to play right now. 1197 00:55:41.239 --> 00:55:43.320 You're selling me on this because, like I had heard 1198 00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:46.320 some rumblings of gime Bomb, and I believe Chuck was 1199 00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:48.519 playing it and enjoying it, and but I think the 1200 00:55:48.559 --> 00:55:50.400 thing that scared me off was like he said, it 1201 00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:52.920 was a really slow start, I want to say, and 1202 00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:56.159 I just like, I like mentored Banias, but I hate 1203 00:55:56.159 --> 00:55:57.519 slow starts, and so I think I was like, oh, 1204 00:55:57.559 --> 00:55:59.079 I'm interested. And then I heard that and I was like, man, 1205 00:55:59.079 --> 00:56:01.960 I'm not so how bad is the intro? 1206 00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:05.800 I found it really quick? And I think what's interesting 1207 00:56:05.880 --> 00:56:09.280 to me is that I needed a fill in for 1208 00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:11.840 bowling this week, and the guy who bowled on our 1209 00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:15.159 team also was playing MEO and he was like, wasn't 1210 00:56:15.159 --> 00:56:16.760 it cool when you found this boss? And I was like, 1211 00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:19.079 I haven't found that boss and he was like, oh, well, 1212 00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:20.800 you have this item, right, and I'm like, no, I 1213 00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:23.480 don't have that item. And we're both five hours in. 1214 00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:27.559 We went opposite directions. It's very possible that the experience 1215 00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:29.960 that you have and the experience that the other person 1216 00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:33.800 who's played this had very different experiences playing it. Sounds 1217 00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:36.800 like you can level yourself up in a totally different order, 1218 00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:40.400 which I think is great. So it's maybe not a 1219 00:56:40.440 --> 00:56:42.119 great answer for you. But what I will say is 1220 00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:45.360 I found a boss almost immediately. This game is chalk 1221 00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:49.599 full of secrets hidden Heidi holes, nooks and crannies, and 1222 00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:52.519 so if he missed them, he might have just been 1223 00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:56.320 doing like a long section of nothing. Now, whereas I 1224 00:56:56.360 --> 00:56:58.000 found a boss within like five. 1225 00:56:57.760 --> 00:57:01.320 Minutes, I think I'm fine with like gameplay, slow start, 1226 00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:03.159 like I'm fine with like the build up to getting 1227 00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:05.079 I just don't want to like, and then then the 1228 00:57:05.199 --> 00:57:07.199 king was evil, and then you got to kill the 1229 00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:09.000 king like I just don't want to like textboxes for 1230 00:57:09.079 --> 00:57:09.679 six hours. 1231 00:57:09.719 --> 00:57:10.800 You know, I don't. 1232 00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:13.360 Remember that either. I felt like it was pretty dewey. Okay, 1233 00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:15.400 I will say, I will say, okay, it has an 1234 00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:20.880 interesting I will I will acknowledge that this has a 1235 00:57:20.960 --> 00:57:23.920 really odd start. But I fell in love with it. 1236 00:57:24.440 --> 00:57:29.079 Which is it starts to du with like little lines 1237 00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:33.239 and dots, and it goes back to it multiple times 1238 00:57:33.559 --> 00:57:37.320 to teach you new moves in a new environment. That's 1239 00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:40.519 very simplified. I'll try to explain it. But like the 1240 00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:46.079 very first time you get uh, there's a Oh, you 1241 00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:48.239 can hit something to get your jump back, right, this 1242 00:57:48.360 --> 00:57:53.159 is a common upgrade, right, Yes, you hit something in 1243 00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:54.400 mid air and all of a sudden you get your 1244 00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:56.280 jump back and now you can travel a little further. 1245 00:57:57.559 --> 00:57:59.639 It takes you out of the game. It puts you 1246 00:57:59.679 --> 00:58:03.639 into this two D environment that's very simple. It's it's 1247 00:58:03.679 --> 00:58:07.199 got stunning audio. It's so simple, and it pairs everything 1248 00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:09.920 down and it goes now, you're just going to learn 1249 00:58:09.960 --> 00:58:13.119 this skill. We're going to give you six challenges to 1250 00:58:13.599 --> 00:58:15.440 learn this skill to make sure you learn it, and 1251 00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:17.639 then we'll throw you back into the game. The game 1252 00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:20.920 starts in that mode, and so when you start you 1253 00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:24.280 might be like, what is this? But by the sixth time, 1254 00:58:24.559 --> 00:58:27.119 not even by like the third time, you're getting your upgrade. 1255 00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:31.239 You're like, oh sick, this is my learning a skill mode. 1256 00:58:31.360 --> 00:58:33.280 And then you get to play the game. So maybe 1257 00:58:33.280 --> 00:58:35.159 that's what threw him off. That's the only thing I 1258 00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:38.559 can think of. I'm about the game visually. 1259 00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:40.760 Yeah, I'm narrative a slow start. 1260 00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:43.119 It's a little bit of narrative mumbo jumbo. But you 1261 00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:47.400 just you know, you look at your watch. Okay, you 1262 00:58:47.440 --> 00:58:52.159 don't have to read I was like really surprised. I 1263 00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:55.559 will also say, after that opener, whatever it is, there's 1264 00:58:55.639 --> 00:58:58.320 like no story at all. Like every once in a 1265 00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:00.159 while you'll run across a robot and he'll be like 1266 00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:02.480 the city used to be big, it's dead now, and 1267 00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:05.239 I'll be like okay, and then I go fight six bosses. 1268 00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:11.480 I haven't bogged down with text at all. I've really 1269 00:59:11.480 --> 00:59:14.239 loved it again, like the floatiness. Oh there's ice in 1270 00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:16.079 a lot of these areas, and I'm slipping and sliding 1271 00:59:16.119 --> 00:59:20.320 all over the place. Like the enemy design is pretty fun. 1272 00:59:20.079 --> 00:59:22.719 In several of the areas I've been fighting, like just 1273 00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:27.840 really cool mechanical animals. You know, different robots that maybe 1274 00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:33.360 look like hummingbirds or they look like spiders, and they're Oh, 1275 00:59:33.400 --> 00:59:35.840 there's one that looks like a chameleon and he literally 1276 00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:38.920 hides into the walls and so you won't see him 1277 00:59:39.239 --> 00:59:42.639 unless you're really paying attention, he'll get you. It's just 1278 00:59:42.639 --> 00:59:48.079 a fun little game. I really do think it's I 1279 00:59:48.079 --> 00:59:50.480 hope more people talk about it. I think it is 1280 00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:53.920 a fantastic platformer. So for someone who's like really interested 1281 00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:57.599 in platforming, this is a good platformer game with some 1282 00:59:57.639 --> 01:00:00.280 good boss fights. I'm liking a the one. 1283 01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:02.719 I got some flights coming up for sure that I 1284 01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:04.880 made some stuff for so I'll make sure this is 1285 01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:05.719 like on the steam deck. 1286 01:00:05.760 --> 01:00:06.920 Before someone point. 1287 01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:09.000 Planning on the steam deck, it's a steam deck game 1288 01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:12.239 faue show. I don't think it's perfect, Like there's some 1289 01:00:12.320 --> 01:00:16.159 things that like I haven't I haven't been super in 1290 01:00:16.199 --> 01:00:18.280 love with. And I do think it's it. There are 1291 01:00:18.320 --> 01:00:22.239 some pain points around, like sometimes I don't know where 1292 01:00:22.280 --> 01:00:25.000 the hell I'm going, and a lot of places it'll 1293 01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:26.360 just be like you can't go in there, and so 1294 01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:29.199 I'll have to repeat. I repeated a space like twice 1295 01:00:29.239 --> 01:00:32.840 looking for secrets, and I finally found one and realized, 1296 01:00:33.519 --> 01:00:35.639 you know, I had missed something. So that can be 1297 01:00:35.679 --> 01:00:36.679 a little frustrating. 1298 01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:39.440 Okay, well I'm curious. That sounds cool. 1299 01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:43.480 They're like two point five d S five, so it 1300 01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:49.480 kind of remind me of Bloodstained. The art specifically, this 1301 01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:52.199 is more sci fi. It looks like futuristic, but it 1302 01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:54.400 does remind me a bit of Bloodstained. How they use that, 1303 01:00:54.800 --> 01:00:57.079 I don't even know what engine that would have been, but. 1304 01:00:57.239 --> 01:01:00.000 I agree, and it's it's cool to see people play 1305 01:01:00.199 --> 01:01:04.400 with this style. I appreciate that connection because the two 1306 01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:07.920 D three D is the biggest crossover here. They look 1307 01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:11.960 very different. But what you're essentially saying is like your 1308 01:01:12.039 --> 01:01:14.719 character looks very different than the background, and it doesn't 1309 01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:16.760 feel like it should work, but it does. 1310 01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:20.920 It does. Yeah, the camera's not completely tracking your character. 1311 01:01:21.519 --> 01:01:24.159 It's actually pulled out and kind of like tilted in 1312 01:01:24.239 --> 01:01:26.159 to look at them from certain angles. So you can 1313 01:01:26.199 --> 01:01:30.239 actually see the sides of some geometry environment, which can 1314 01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:32.599 look ugly in some games, but I think when it's 1315 01:01:32.599 --> 01:01:38.440 done well, it's attractive. Yeah, Dan, you played a round 1316 01:01:38.440 --> 01:01:41.000 of High Guard, the multiplayer game. 1317 01:01:41.440 --> 01:01:43.119 Everybody's talking about her. 1318 01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:47.880 Tell us that's what I hear. Yeah, is Mary? Is 1319 01:01:47.880 --> 01:01:50.119 it mostly All I know is that people are talking 1320 01:01:50.159 --> 01:01:55.119 about it. Is it mostly bad or mostly good or mixed? 1321 01:01:55.880 --> 01:01:57.960 I think that I don't think this will color your 1322 01:01:57.960 --> 01:02:00.239 opinion at all. I think it is mostly bad and 1323 01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:03.119 it is and it is so volatile that if you 1324 01:02:03.320 --> 01:02:05.280 like it, I feel like gamers will come for you. 1325 01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:07.639 It's weird. I think that's. 1326 01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:12.599 Still enronments for people. But I have not heard. Yeah, 1327 01:02:12.679 --> 01:02:16.719 it's been a tough launch. Is the vibes that I'm 1328 01:02:16.719 --> 01:02:19.119 getting from this game? So what was your experience. 1329 01:02:19.519 --> 01:02:22.000 Uh it's one of those games that a lot of 1330 01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:25.199 online multiplayer games seem to be these days to me, 1331 01:02:25.360 --> 01:02:28.760 which is in the genre of Okay, uh, spend the 1332 01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:31.280 first few minutes of the round doing a bunch of 1333 01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:34.519 boring chores and then something changes and then you go 1334 01:02:34.639 --> 01:02:35.880 die and then you. 1335 01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:37.280 Wait to do it again. 1336 01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:41.800 Uh so I yeah, no, that's cool. 1337 01:02:43.599 --> 01:02:44.000 Yeah. 1338 01:02:44.199 --> 01:02:47.000 I very quickly was like I just don't get like, 1339 01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:49.239 even like good ones and these like this, this is 1340 01:02:49.360 --> 01:02:51.400 well made. Like when I was doing the tutorial, I 1341 01:02:51.440 --> 01:02:53.199 was like, this looks good, this feels good. I like 1342 01:02:53.239 --> 01:02:56.519 shooting these guns. I like it's got a you know, 1343 01:02:56.559 --> 01:02:59.960 like I love the feel of like Apex in titan Fall, 1344 01:03:00.119 --> 01:03:01.119 like I like, you know, I know a lot of 1345 01:03:01.159 --> 01:03:03.360 there's a through line of certain developers there, but like 1346 01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:07.920 I love titan Fall cause I don't know, the campaign 1347 01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:10.840 was great and two and then the multiplayer gimmick was 1348 01:03:10.880 --> 01:03:13.039 simple and worked where it's like, all right, you're these 1349 01:03:13.079 --> 01:03:17.079 pilots and these titans. It's multiplayer. It's it's pretty understandable. 1350 01:03:17.119 --> 01:03:20.360 And then like Apex was like, okay, it's this weird, 1351 01:03:20.519 --> 01:03:23.480 like I'm never going to play online with people really, 1352 01:03:23.559 --> 01:03:25.199 so like I don't like that you always have to 1353 01:03:25.199 --> 01:03:26.920 be in three person squads, and it was just like 1354 01:03:27.000 --> 01:03:30.960 kind of confusing, and it was like they're pubg in Fortnite. 1355 01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:33.440 I got into those because that's pretty straightforward. You drop 1356 01:03:33.480 --> 01:03:35.239 onto a thing, you try to survive as long as 1357 01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:38.559 you can. I like that Apex. I recognized it was 1358 01:03:38.599 --> 01:03:40.280 well made, but it's like I don't there's just too 1359 01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:42.599 much stuff going on here and this is like way 1360 01:03:42.639 --> 01:03:45.239 worse than that, where it's just like, Okay, I guess 1361 01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:48.199 at the first phase, I need to put up reinforcing 1362 01:03:48.239 --> 01:03:50.960 walls on this building, and I don't really know why 1363 01:03:51.000 --> 01:03:52.639 or where. I'm sure there's a reason to. I mean, 1364 01:03:52.639 --> 01:03:54.800 if I played more, I'm sure I would learn what 1365 01:03:54.840 --> 01:03:56.880 I was doing. But like when it's not fun at 1366 01:03:56.880 --> 01:03:59.440 all to start out, I don't feel incentivized to keep going. 1367 01:03:59.480 --> 01:04:01.760 So like you've enforce all these walls and then you 1368 01:04:01.760 --> 01:04:04.960 go out and you're just like harvesting crystals, and then 1369 01:04:04.960 --> 01:04:07.159 I guess you can buy stuff from vendors, and then 1370 01:04:07.239 --> 01:04:09.079 it's like capture the flag for a little bit, and 1371 01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:12.079 then once you bring a shield breaker's sword to someone's dome, 1372 01:04:12.159 --> 01:04:14.000 it breaks their dome open. Then you can try to 1373 01:04:14.039 --> 01:04:16.159 breach walls, and then it turns into like a search 1374 01:04:16.159 --> 01:04:18.039 and destroy a thing where there's a and it it's 1375 01:04:18.079 --> 01:04:20.480 just like I I knew I was gonna hate it 1376 01:04:20.559 --> 01:04:23.119 once the tutorial kept going and going and going. It's like, 1377 01:04:23.440 --> 01:04:25.039 all right, you had me at the beginning when it 1378 01:04:25.079 --> 01:04:27.119 looked good and it felt good to play, and then 1379 01:04:27.159 --> 01:04:29.320 it's like you just keep explaining more and more shit, 1380 01:04:29.360 --> 01:04:30.159 and it's like, all right, I'm done. 1381 01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:31.920 I don't I have no interest in It's like a 1382 01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:32.519 personal thing. 1383 01:04:32.599 --> 01:04:35.679 Obviously shit like that's kind of popular now, but yeah, 1384 01:04:35.880 --> 01:04:37.840 it's just the thing that makes me feel like, Okay, 1385 01:04:37.920 --> 01:04:40.159 this has never been my thing, and I don't. 1386 01:04:39.960 --> 01:04:42.639 Think it should work. Like I love the idea of 1387 01:04:42.679 --> 01:04:47.119 mixing the magic and the bullets and everything, like did 1388 01:04:47.159 --> 01:04:49.519 you get to play as multiple people? Like how how 1389 01:04:49.559 --> 01:04:50.400 much did you play? 1390 01:04:50.639 --> 01:04:54.719 I like around basically, and then I bailed on it 1391 01:04:54.760 --> 01:04:57.400 pretty quick. But it's like it's not even just like 1392 01:04:57.400 --> 01:05:00.039 like I was a big Twisted Metal fan and in 1393 01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:02.480 twenty twelve they brought it back and I was like, 1394 01:05:02.679 --> 01:05:05.519 fuck yeah, PlayStation three Twisted Metal. And then they did 1395 01:05:05.559 --> 01:05:08.719 this E three presentation where it was like okay, so 1396 01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:11.400 this is our our Marquis mode where it's a multiplayer 1397 01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:13.519 online where it's like, okay, you got to go around 1398 01:05:13.519 --> 01:05:15.800 and you got to like drag these clowns behind your car, 1399 01:05:15.920 --> 01:05:17.519 and you got to load the clowns into a cannon, 1400 01:05:17.719 --> 01:05:19.599 and then you shoot the clowns at this like hiju 1401 01:05:19.679 --> 01:05:21.679 clown and then it's just like it's like whoa, whoa, 1402 01:05:22.000 --> 01:05:23.880 we we had it, we had it. We just cars 1403 01:05:23.920 --> 01:05:25.480 drive around and blow each other up. It doesn't need 1404 01:05:25.519 --> 01:05:28.000 to be much more complicated than that. And I just 1405 01:05:28.039 --> 01:05:32.239 don't like the over complication of things. I like simpler objectives. 1406 01:05:32.320 --> 01:05:36.280 You know. It's why something like Doda or League I 1407 01:05:36.320 --> 01:05:38.000 see that or I hear it explain, and I'm like, 1408 01:05:38.119 --> 01:05:40.280 this seems like the most miserable fucking. 1409 01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:41.039 Thing I've ever heard in my life. 1410 01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:44.239 And it seems like a lot of that shit has permeated, 1411 01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:47.280 like FPS and other genres and stuff like that, and 1412 01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:49.159 whenever I see it, I'm out. 1413 01:05:49.239 --> 01:05:49.559 I'm out. 1414 01:05:49.639 --> 01:05:51.400 It's like, I know some people like it. I just 1415 01:05:51.559 --> 01:05:57.400 it's Mike. Mike is an anathema. Anathema. Yeah yeah, okay, 1416 01:05:57.440 --> 01:06:00.000 yeah yeah. To me, it's I just fucking hate it. 1417 01:06:00.119 --> 01:06:02.639 So yeah, I got out real quick. I don't know 1418 01:06:02.679 --> 01:06:04.639 if other people are liking what it sounds like. They're 1419 01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:06.800 maybe not, but uh yeah, not for me. 1420 01:06:08.639 --> 01:06:11.559 It doesn't sound like my thing either. I like a straightforward, 1421 01:06:11.599 --> 01:06:15.719 simple I like complex shooters, but like I like deep shooters. 1422 01:06:15.719 --> 01:06:17.239 This sounds like more that. Like they're trying to go 1423 01:06:17.360 --> 01:06:20.199 like broad wide, a lot of rules, a lot of 1424 01:06:20.199 --> 01:06:24.599 different objectives like Rainbow six Siege, like get in, plant 1425 01:06:24.599 --> 01:06:25.920 a bomb at one of these two sites in a 1426 01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:29.239 close quarter space, or kill everybody. Yeah, Mike, you you 1427 01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:31.039 had to do that over and over and over again. 1428 01:06:31.159 --> 01:06:32.880 You had a real period with Siege, and you got 1429 01:06:32.920 --> 01:06:35.039 me playing some and I did like some Siege, like 1430 01:06:35.039 --> 01:06:36.440 I didn't think I was going to. But like, that's 1431 01:06:36.440 --> 01:06:40.000 the thing with Siege is that the objective was simple enough. 1432 01:06:40.079 --> 01:06:42.480 The complexity and the stuff you can really get good 1433 01:06:42.519 --> 01:06:45.599 at is through learning the different operators and their skills 1434 01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:46.960 and the way they can play off each other and 1435 01:06:46.960 --> 01:06:48.559 things like that. And I think that's cool. It's like 1436 01:06:48.559 --> 01:06:50.199 you're winding like Soul Caliber, like you want to get 1437 01:06:50.239 --> 01:06:51.679 in there and match buttons, You're gonna have a good time, 1438 01:06:51.679 --> 01:06:53.440 play good fighting game, or if you want to go 1439 01:06:53.440 --> 01:06:55.800 in there and spend five hundred hours and all these tutorials, 1440 01:06:55.920 --> 01:06:58.559 you know, like learning everyone's combos and everything, like, you 1441 01:06:58.559 --> 01:07:01.199 can enjoy it on several different levels where I don't know, 1442 01:07:01.239 --> 01:07:03.239 like a mobile type thing or something like There's it 1443 01:07:03.280 --> 01:07:05.039 feels like you have to be a specific type of 1444 01:07:05.039 --> 01:07:07.239 person who plays a specific type of way to enjoy it, 1445 01:07:07.400 --> 01:07:09.400 and I just don't find that stuff accessible or fun. 1446 01:07:09.599 --> 01:07:13.519 You know. The objective of chess is very simple. Yeah, 1447 01:07:13.599 --> 01:07:17.039 each of the different pieces has many, many layers and complexities. 1448 01:07:17.239 --> 01:07:19.480 Like I think the best games, like the rule sets 1449 01:07:19.480 --> 01:07:23.719 are pretty easily explainable quickly. It's the more like the depth, 1450 01:07:23.719 --> 01:07:26.440 the more you repeat and play it, the death comes out. Yeah. 1451 01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:26.800 It's like. 1452 01:07:28.440 --> 01:07:29.960 Every board game is like that now. Every time I 1453 01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:31.679 feel like I've ever sat down to play a board game, 1454 01:07:31.800 --> 01:07:34.760 it's like it's not fucking guess who anymore. It's just like, 1455 01:07:34.960 --> 01:07:37.840 all right, you have six super tokens and three minor tokens, 1456 01:07:37.840 --> 01:07:39.920 and you are able and tell you're good, and then 1457 01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:42.079 you if you flip this crystal to its left side, 1458 01:07:42.079 --> 01:07:44.840 then it's this, but if it's December, then you're a Gemini. 1459 01:07:44.920 --> 01:07:46.639 And it's like, I don't. 1460 01:07:48.360 --> 01:07:52.400 I have a certain person who listens to this podcast, 1461 01:07:52.400 --> 01:07:56.400 it's my wife will hear this and she'll know exactly 1462 01:07:56.440 --> 01:08:00.360 who I'm talking about. But we both know someone. You know. 1463 01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:02.760 Like a few months ago, we were staying with them 1464 01:08:02.840 --> 01:08:06.519 at their place and they're like, so, do you want 1465 01:08:06.519 --> 01:08:07.960 like a really in depth board game or do you 1466 01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:09.480 want to do something? I was like, we just like, 1467 01:08:09.519 --> 01:08:11.360 you know, we took trains to get here. We want 1468 01:08:11.400 --> 01:08:15.039 something relaxed, have a few ture total totally. So they 1469 01:08:15.039 --> 01:08:17.600 bring out like three options and they're walking us through 1470 01:08:17.640 --> 01:08:20.560 the options and I'm like, oh, sorry, we said we 1471 01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:22.600 wanted the simple ones. He's like, oh these are I was. 1472 01:08:23.600 --> 01:08:28.600 Board game people under. I think they've got lost and 1473 01:08:28.840 --> 01:08:29.439 I know when. 1474 01:08:29.319 --> 01:08:31.960 You love something, and like, these people also don't get 1475 01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:33.920 a ton of chances to play like board games with 1476 01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:37.600 people who appreciate games. So like I was like, all right, game. 1477 01:08:37.479 --> 01:08:39.279 People love bringing out the board game. 1478 01:08:40.560 --> 01:08:44.239 It's I get it. It's like their board games are 1479 01:08:44.279 --> 01:08:48.199 my like super interesting bottles of bougeleet that you probably 1480 01:08:49.359 --> 01:08:52.399 I've gotten my thing too, but oh my god, yeah, 1481 01:08:52.439 --> 01:08:56.560 board game people. I applaud them because I I can't 1482 01:08:56.600 --> 01:08:59.159 do it every time. I'm up for the coffee in 1483 01:08:59.199 --> 01:09:01.279 the morning when I have the day to learn something 1484 01:09:01.319 --> 01:09:03.000 and that's all we're doing. But like late at night, 1485 01:09:03.039 --> 01:09:06.439 I'm like, no, guys, like Checkers would be fine right now, 1486 01:09:06.680 --> 01:09:10.039 that would be great because respect for it. 1487 01:09:10.520 --> 01:09:13.680 There's so many good ones, and you have to be 1488 01:09:13.760 --> 01:09:16.479 open to them, right Like you could find your next 1489 01:09:16.520 --> 01:09:19.680 favorite game through one of these things. You just have 1490 01:09:19.760 --> 01:09:22.600 to be, to Mike's point, in the right head space. 1491 01:09:23.159 --> 01:09:28.119 I have been tricked before. I think Wingspan is great, 1492 01:09:28.199 --> 01:09:30.880 So this is not a I don't like Wingspan. I 1493 01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:33.359 just want to say that I feel like there are 1494 01:09:33.399 --> 01:09:36.520 probably mothers out there that were disappointed when they were 1495 01:09:36.520 --> 01:09:38.680 like excited to play a board game about birds and 1496 01:09:38.680 --> 01:09:41.520 then found out that there were four hundred rules. Yes, yeah, 1497 01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:46.079 I just thought it was cool to have eggs way eggs, 1498 01:09:46.119 --> 01:09:48.199 and then I was like, shit, this is extreme. This 1499 01:09:48.279 --> 01:09:50.279 is way more complicated than I was prepared for. 1500 01:09:50.600 --> 01:09:52.720 That's another example. It's like these are all like good, 1501 01:09:52.800 --> 01:09:54.399 these aren't like like a lot of these things are 1502 01:09:54.520 --> 01:09:56.960 good and they're popular for a reason. But like Wingspan, 1503 01:09:57.039 --> 01:09:58.479 I heard everyone talking about it and I was like, 1504 01:09:58.479 --> 01:10:00.239 all right, oh, and a lot of people should just that. 1505 01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:00.520 It's me. 1506 01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:01.319 It's like oh me and bonk. 1507 01:10:01.359 --> 01:10:01.479 You know. 1508 01:10:01.520 --> 01:10:03.640 Sometimes we'll play like it is good. Yeah, it's a 1509 01:10:03.720 --> 01:10:05.840 great game. Yeah, and we bought it and we did 1510 01:10:05.880 --> 01:10:07.600 some one on one with it and stuff. But it's 1511 01:10:07.640 --> 01:10:09.760 like most of the time it's just like, okay, So 1512 01:10:09.880 --> 01:10:11.960 then if you are in the swamp, you can do 1513 01:10:12.039 --> 01:10:14.119 this type of bran and if you have this bird, 1514 01:10:14.239 --> 01:10:16.560 it can if you have six eggs, then it can 1515 01:10:16.680 --> 01:10:20.199 land on the shoulders of a grass bird. And it's like, 1516 01:10:20.439 --> 01:10:24.680 oh my god, it's just I code names. It's wavelength. 1517 01:10:25.159 --> 01:10:26.760 Like these are like Wavelength is good. 1518 01:10:26.920 --> 01:10:28.920 I like games where it's like you got a party together. 1519 01:10:29.079 --> 01:10:31.119 There's six people that want to squirrel away into this 1520 01:10:31.199 --> 01:10:34.159 room or whatever. It takes fucking four minutes, and then 1521 01:10:34.199 --> 01:10:37.279 the game is about talking and having a fun like 1522 01:10:37.359 --> 01:10:40.359 social time, and like Wavelength is like debating about like 1523 01:10:40.399 --> 01:10:42.560 you know, like having a conversation with something and not 1524 01:10:42.680 --> 01:10:45.600 just like dealing with a million chotch keys and shit, 1525 01:10:45.800 --> 01:10:48.520 you know, and rules like that drives me insane. 1526 01:10:49.640 --> 01:10:54.720 I think I agree with you. Someone gave me Wavelength 1527 01:10:54.840 --> 01:10:57.159 as a gift and it is my number one when 1528 01:10:57.159 --> 01:10:59.760 I'm like, oh I need something to do with six people. 1529 01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:03.119 To Wavelength is great. You're gonna have a good time, 1530 01:11:03.119 --> 01:11:05.600 You're gonna have fun, And I don't think it's stresses well, 1531 01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:07.159 actually it will stress people out when they have to 1532 01:11:07.239 --> 01:11:10.800 choose what the thing is. Yeah, but if yeah, if 1533 01:11:10.800 --> 01:11:12.640 people were like I want a board game and I 1534 01:11:12.680 --> 01:11:15.079 want something different and I haven't played a board game 1535 01:11:15.119 --> 01:11:19.279 since Apples to Apples, I would say Wavelength is the 1536 01:11:19.399 --> 01:11:22.439 number one easy. It's not so easy, but it's it's 1537 01:11:22.520 --> 01:11:29.359 easy gaming. Yeah, you have to be able to read. 1538 01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:32.479 Well, Like, how the fuck did Dungeons and Dragons ever 1539 01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:34.640 get popular at all? Because it seems like the most 1540 01:11:34.640 --> 01:11:36.000 complicated thing on the planet. 1541 01:11:36.600 --> 01:11:37.439 Weirds, but. 1542 01:11:39.720 --> 01:11:42.560 Dungeons and Dragons, like similarly, is more just a vehicle 1543 01:11:42.640 --> 01:11:44.479 for people to tell a comedicals story. 1544 01:11:44.520 --> 01:11:48.039 There are books of like, well, here's the six chapters 1545 01:11:48.039 --> 01:11:50.439 about what the dexterity number means if you roll like 1546 01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:53.520 it is. Every time I've sat down, it just seems 1547 01:11:53.560 --> 01:11:55.199 like the most complicated thing ever. And I have no 1548 01:11:55.279 --> 01:11:58.520 idea how people hYP parties and get togethers where it's 1549 01:11:58.560 --> 01:12:00.239 like this is what we do, Like you you know 1550 01:12:00.359 --> 01:12:01.840 five people who know how this works. 1551 01:12:01.840 --> 01:12:03.439 How the fuck did you meet that well that they 1552 01:12:03.560 --> 01:12:05.159 took the time as a group to get to know 1553 01:12:05.239 --> 01:12:07.119 it and like they have a good DM. Like there's 1554 01:12:07.119 --> 01:12:11.720 a difference between like playing. People have parties where the 1555 01:12:11.760 --> 01:12:13.840 objective of the party is to play that game, whereas 1556 01:12:13.840 --> 01:12:16.319 wavelength is something that you can bust out on a 1557 01:12:16.359 --> 01:12:17.760 whim at a party and people. 1558 01:12:17.520 --> 01:12:19.960 Want to here like uncle that you don't really know 1559 01:12:20.119 --> 01:12:21.880 super well, but like you want to be able to 1560 01:12:21.880 --> 01:12:23.840 have with them. 1561 01:12:23.560 --> 01:12:26.720 Aunt Nancy, how to play Dungeons and Dragons. 1562 01:12:27.279 --> 01:12:28.640 When I think of a party, I think a lot 1563 01:12:28.680 --> 01:12:30.880 of people of just different Like, you know, if I 1564 01:12:30.920 --> 01:12:34.880 have a party here, people who don't play video games period, 1565 01:12:35.000 --> 01:12:37.079 you know, where it's like I can't imagine having a 1566 01:12:37.079 --> 01:12:38.840 party where it could be confident enough to be like, hey, 1567 01:12:38.920 --> 01:12:40.960 all of you, let's come play Dungeons and Dragons. You 1568 01:12:41.039 --> 01:12:41.960 all know how that works. 1569 01:12:42.600 --> 01:12:45.199 Do not play Dungeons and Dragons. No one does that. 1570 01:12:45.399 --> 01:12:48.119 No one does that. They have planned nights where they 1571 01:12:48.119 --> 01:12:51.159 are like, hey, let's play Dungeons and Dragons on like 1572 01:12:51.239 --> 01:12:53.319 on Tuesday nights. And there are a group that knows how. 1573 01:12:53.199 --> 01:12:54.920 To play Dungeons and Dragons. 1574 01:12:54.960 --> 01:12:57.720 What's more comparable party and says like who knows how 1575 01:12:57.720 --> 01:13:00.399 to play it? Here? That's my point is that they're 1576 01:13:00.479 --> 01:13:03.359 very different kinds of game dedicated to games. My point 1577 01:13:03.359 --> 01:13:04.680 which was refuting you. 1578 01:13:06.600 --> 01:13:09.239 Don't, I just I am standing firm in the fact 1579 01:13:09.239 --> 01:13:11.399 that I think Dungeons and Dragons is the most confusing 1580 01:13:11.399 --> 01:13:13.199 and weird thing I've ever seen in my entire life. 1581 01:13:13.279 --> 01:13:13.720 It's kind of. 1582 01:13:15.640 --> 01:13:18.760 Flat down and apparently I played it with like world 1583 01:13:18.800 --> 01:13:21.520 class caliber dms and stuff where everyone's like, oh, you 1584 01:13:21.560 --> 01:13:23.319 play with like like Austin Walker is supposed to be 1585 01:13:23.319 --> 01:13:25.840 tremendous at it, and I believe them, but like I've 1586 01:13:25.840 --> 01:13:28.279 played with him, and it's just like every time do 1587 01:13:28.319 --> 01:13:29.680 I what does this mean? How do I do? What 1588 01:13:29.720 --> 01:13:30.039 do I do? 1589 01:13:30.239 --> 01:13:30.319 Like? 1590 01:13:30.359 --> 01:13:33.359 Oh, I just make the Like I just don't understand 1591 01:13:33.359 --> 01:13:35.359 what the point of it is. I don't understand how 1592 01:13:35.359 --> 01:13:37.840 to win. I don't understand how you can play with 1593 01:13:38.039 --> 01:13:40.720 no board and sometimes there's a board, and then there's 1594 01:13:40.720 --> 01:13:42.640 a company that makes it. But it's also just a 1595 01:13:42.720 --> 01:13:46.159 loose cloud of ideas, Like none of it makes any 1596 01:13:46.199 --> 01:13:48.439 fucking sense. How does just the exist If it's just 1597 01:13:48.439 --> 01:13:49.680 like you can do whatever you want. 1598 01:13:49.720 --> 01:13:53.239 It's improv the game. It's an engine for communal storytelling. 1599 01:13:53.279 --> 01:13:55.239 I don't think the objective is to win is to 1600 01:13:55.279 --> 01:13:59.439 tell this long form story together to what happens. Someone like, 1601 01:13:59.560 --> 01:14:02.000 why are you watching the Sopranos, because you don't win 1602 01:14:02.119 --> 01:14:06.199 by watching the game. But the show, I know, But 1603 01:14:06.239 --> 01:14:10.359 like the point is it's you're seeing it's. 1604 01:14:09.199 --> 01:14:11.560 The show. 1605 01:14:12.399 --> 01:14:12.800 Or whatever. 1606 01:14:13.399 --> 01:14:16.960 Yes, but it's like cinematic and explorative. It's like it's 1607 01:14:16.960 --> 01:14:18.079 like acting out of play. 1608 01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:21.760 Yes, they go to your local theater and audition. 1609 01:14:21.960 --> 01:14:22.399 I don't know. 1610 01:14:23.600 --> 01:14:27.720 I can stare you. You're one of the biggest dorkiest 1611 01:14:27.880 --> 01:14:30.279 nerds out there. Stare you hat on. 1612 01:14:30.199 --> 01:14:34.439 This giant fucking nerd. It's not you are stupid thing. 1613 01:14:35.159 --> 01:14:37.399 It's not stupid, you're ignorant. 1614 01:14:37.760 --> 01:14:40.800 Yes, yes, that is That is what I was getting toward. 1615 01:14:42.079 --> 01:14:43.920 No, I think it's domb and no one should like it. 1616 01:14:44.079 --> 01:14:51.520 Dan, listen, this is your this is your snow is plastic. 1617 01:14:51.840 --> 01:14:54.880 You are embarrassing yourself and someone is going to clip 1618 01:14:54.920 --> 01:14:57.640 you and say that this moron doesn't. 1619 01:14:57.399 --> 01:15:00.680 Know about this world. And there a long time your 1620 01:15:00.720 --> 01:15:03.880 conspiracy theory and you were gonna You've embarrassed yourself. 1621 01:15:03.920 --> 01:15:06.000 I'm happy for all the people who like getting around 1622 01:15:06.039 --> 01:15:08.039 and pretending they're playing a game with rules when it's 1623 01:15:08.079 --> 01:15:10.640 just weird and fantasy Lord of the Rings time. But 1624 01:15:11.279 --> 01:15:12.680 it's just it's nonsense. 1625 01:15:13.600 --> 01:15:15.880 Mike. You're playing Shadow, gambit, let's talk about it. 1626 01:15:17.520 --> 01:15:19.399 I know. I was about to do the thing where 1627 01:15:19.439 --> 01:15:21.119 I point out to Dan that wrestling has a lot 1628 01:15:21.119 --> 01:15:24.439 of the same aspects, but let's skip. That sucks now. 1629 01:15:24.319 --> 01:15:27.159 Too, Okay, well you're kind of suck. 1630 01:15:28.279 --> 01:15:38.520 Oh hear that. Yeah, I've been playing Shadow, But again, 1631 01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:41.359 I talked about it last episode. That game is still incredible. 1632 01:15:41.399 --> 01:15:43.520 It still makes me said that, Mimi, me games are 1633 01:15:43.560 --> 01:15:50.680 gone incredible. Isometric, top down stealth game, really creative characters. 1634 01:15:50.840 --> 01:15:53.560 I'm unlocking characters in a very different order than I 1635 01:15:53.600 --> 01:15:55.520 did the first time I played it, which is cool 1636 01:15:55.520 --> 01:15:58.880 that you could do that. Similar to Wild Bastards. You 1637 01:15:58.920 --> 01:16:01.239 guys played that, you know how the first the first 1638 01:16:01.800 --> 01:16:04.880 that game, the first run, you unlock the characters at 1639 01:16:04.880 --> 01:16:08.439 a certain order and then it becomes randomized. This one, 1640 01:16:08.840 --> 01:16:11.600 you unlock the same there's the main character who is 1641 01:16:11.640 --> 01:16:14.920 the navigator, but then after that you can revive these 1642 01:16:15.039 --> 01:16:18.319 undead pirates in any order you want. For the most part, 1643 01:16:18.039 --> 01:16:20.439 there's a few point points where they're like you have 1644 01:16:20.479 --> 01:16:23.520 to pick from this pool. But it's playing really differently 1645 01:16:23.560 --> 01:16:25.439 with these different character and playing on a higher difficulty. 1646 01:16:26.000 --> 01:16:26.600 I'm enjoying it. 1647 01:16:26.600 --> 01:16:32.079 There's different ones. What do you mean, Shadow Gambit, Cursed Cruse, 1648 01:16:32.199 --> 01:16:34.520 Shadow Gambit, Yuki's wish, Shadow. 1649 01:16:34.199 --> 01:16:39.760 Gambit, Curse Crew is the game the latter two? You 1650 01:16:39.800 --> 01:16:41.720 mentioned our DLCs with new. 1651 01:16:41.640 --> 01:16:44.319 Characters, Okay, thank you and missions? 1652 01:16:44.960 --> 01:16:47.199 Yeah, incredible game. I think I said this last time. 1653 01:16:47.239 --> 01:16:50.119 But if you're someone who really likes first person immersive 1654 01:16:50.159 --> 01:16:56.239 sims like Dishonored or Prey, or you played h Dark 1655 01:16:56.359 --> 01:17:00.439 Messiah way back in the day or Thief, I this 1656 01:17:00.640 --> 01:17:03.640 is essentially kind of an immersive sim. Definitely more heavily 1657 01:17:03.680 --> 01:17:08.159 stealth focused than a lot of those where you can 1658 01:17:08.199 --> 01:17:10.880 be stealthy, but it's an option. This one's very much 1659 01:17:10.920 --> 01:17:14.119 about stealth and uh, but it's you know, top down isometric, 1660 01:17:14.159 --> 01:17:20.239 incredible maps, vibrant locales, some some fun character writing. It 1661 01:17:20.279 --> 01:17:21.840 ever gets in the way halts the momentum with the 1662 01:17:21.880 --> 01:17:25.880 game though, also just kind of a puzzle game really 1663 01:17:26.199 --> 01:17:29.039 like it's it's less immersiontive, more like a puzzle stealth game. 1664 01:17:29.079 --> 01:17:31.119 But I say immersive sim because there's a lot of 1665 01:17:31.119 --> 01:17:36.439 ways you can interact with the environment and approach objectives differently. Yeah, 1666 01:17:36.720 --> 01:17:38.399 I don't think i'd recommend it to either of you. 1667 01:17:38.439 --> 01:17:40.600 It's then I think it's too stealth focused for you. 1668 01:17:41.760 --> 01:17:43.760 Very same thing. I don't think you like stealth games 1669 01:17:43.760 --> 01:17:44.279 all that much. 1670 01:17:44.560 --> 01:17:47.720 I struggle with stealth, but sometimes I can get into it. 1671 01:17:47.760 --> 01:17:50.000 But I this looks very I'm like looking at the 1672 01:17:50.079 --> 01:17:52.880 gameplay and it's got the cone of vision everywhere, so 1673 01:17:53.000 --> 01:17:54.800 it looks like it's very stealth focused. 1674 01:17:55.359 --> 01:17:58.560 No, it's awesome. I love it. Yeah, me me, me games. 1675 01:17:58.600 --> 01:18:00.520 They put out the two DLCs for it, and then 1676 01:18:00.560 --> 01:18:04.359 they're basically like, we're fucking tired because they made Desperados three, 1677 01:18:04.399 --> 01:18:09.840 which is incredible, and Shadow Tactics, which was feudal Japan 1678 01:18:09.960 --> 01:18:11.800 and you had like a ninja and a sniper. That 1679 01:18:11.880 --> 01:18:15.079 was the first that was also good, one of my 1680 01:18:15.640 --> 01:18:19.199 one of the biggest bummers of a studio closure, although 1681 01:18:19.279 --> 01:18:22.039 it was self imposed. I still wish they were making 1682 01:18:22.119 --> 01:18:25.359 another game of some sort. Don't know where they are now, 1683 01:18:25.760 --> 01:18:27.239 but yeah, that's mainly what I've been playing. I've been 1684 01:18:27.239 --> 01:18:30.560 playing stuff for work that I can talk about in 1685 01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:32.840 a few months or something. Probably that's been most of 1686 01:18:32.880 --> 01:18:37.319 my time. So more on that. I guess down the road. 1687 01:18:38.159 --> 01:18:40.600 But Mary, you played other stuff beside MEO, right, I 1688 01:18:40.640 --> 01:18:42.159 have a couple quick ones. 1689 01:18:43.039 --> 01:18:46.960 One I played a game called Deepest Sword, which I 1690 01:18:47.159 --> 01:18:50.439 was thinking, Dan, when you do Blake Club, Like, what 1691 01:18:50.520 --> 01:18:53.159 if the game is really quick, like twenty minutes, would 1692 01:18:53.199 --> 01:18:53.560 you do? 1693 01:18:53.720 --> 01:18:56.520 Like you have something called Blightning Round where that is 1694 01:18:57.000 --> 01:19:00.119 like done in one episode, which was what Mike. I'm 1695 01:19:00.119 --> 01:19:01.880 not he was supposed to do with this current game, 1696 01:19:01.920 --> 01:19:03.600 but I picked one that's probably gonna take him like 1697 01:19:03.920 --> 01:19:04.479 eight hours. 1698 01:19:04.479 --> 01:19:07.319 So oh that's funny. Y Well, I think I have 1699 01:19:07.399 --> 01:19:10.039 like a mini one for you, and it's the Deepest Sword. 1700 01:19:10.239 --> 01:19:12.399 This game is free, which I love. I always love, 1701 01:19:12.520 --> 01:19:16.079 like Hawk in a nice free game. You can tell 1702 01:19:16.159 --> 01:19:19.439 this is like maybe like this is like an early 1703 01:19:19.479 --> 01:19:21.760 on dev cycle game. This is not meant to be 1704 01:19:21.800 --> 01:19:23.279 like a full on adventure, but it's we've got a 1705 01:19:23.279 --> 01:19:26.359 really cool premise. You're a night you need to kill 1706 01:19:26.880 --> 01:19:31.960 a dragon, and your sword is not big enough to 1707 01:19:32.039 --> 01:19:35.119 get to the heart of the dragon, and so every 1708 01:19:35.159 --> 01:19:38.359 time they make your sword a little longer. But that 1709 01:19:38.520 --> 01:19:41.600 makes you have to navigate the space completely differently because 1710 01:19:41.640 --> 01:19:44.880 now you can't fit. Also, your character can't jump. This 1711 01:19:44.920 --> 01:19:46.920 is kind of important, so you have to use the 1712 01:19:47.039 --> 01:19:51.119 sword to climb or to navigate a space. And by 1713 01:19:51.119 --> 01:19:52.479 the time you get to the end, and don't look 1714 01:19:52.479 --> 01:19:54.520 it up, because again, this game isn't very long. It's 1715 01:19:54.520 --> 01:19:56.960 like a basically it's like a free demo, but it's 1716 01:19:57.000 --> 01:20:00.319 like as you get through it, the sword gets so long. 1717 01:20:00.359 --> 01:20:02.279 You have to do these like totally wacky things in 1718 01:20:02.359 --> 01:20:04.560 order to beat this game. And I actually really liked 1719 01:20:04.560 --> 01:20:07.199 it and thought it was very fun. But the first 1720 01:20:07.239 --> 01:20:10.520 time I realized how stuck I was with this giant sword, 1721 01:20:10.560 --> 01:20:12.479 I was like laughing at myself. I think it's a 1722 01:20:12.520 --> 01:20:13.319 cute little gimmick. 1723 01:20:13.560 --> 01:20:16.039 Every image I see is just this dragon with the 1724 01:20:16.079 --> 01:20:17.840 dude on his back trying to get the sword in there. 1725 01:20:18.520 --> 01:20:22.640 Yes, it is a bit horny, I will admit to you. Well, 1726 01:20:22.720 --> 01:20:26.199 it is the euphemism, right. 1727 01:20:27.560 --> 01:20:28.720 Sword. 1728 01:20:28.800 --> 01:20:32.640 And the I know there's a bit of fan service 1729 01:20:32.680 --> 01:20:35.319 with you with the dragon, because when you put your 1730 01:20:35.319 --> 01:20:37.560 sword in the dragon, the dragon will say like is 1731 01:20:37.600 --> 01:20:41.399 it even in? And then it'll flight you up, and 1732 01:20:41.439 --> 01:20:43.760 then you get a longer sword because eventually you need 1733 01:20:43.800 --> 01:20:46.840 to get the longest sword to the deepest sword to 1734 01:20:47.000 --> 01:20:48.000 get it in. 1735 01:20:48.159 --> 01:20:51.520 To kill the dragon euphemism some short I got the 1736 01:20:51.600 --> 01:20:54.239 fucking and I'm just looking at the pretty clear I'm 1737 01:20:54.279 --> 01:20:58.079 looking at the clip at the I'm looking at the 1738 01:20:58.079 --> 01:20:59.880 clip and it looks like at the beginning, right after 1739 01:20:59.880 --> 01:21:02.479 you press the stark key at the menu, the first 1740 01:21:02.560 --> 01:21:07.199 dude is like venture deep into the cavern of longing. God, 1741 01:21:07.359 --> 01:21:08.159 I am an idiot. 1742 01:21:08.199 --> 01:21:11.039 I would have it would not have even like registered 1743 01:21:11.159 --> 01:21:12.479 for me that that was a sex thing. 1744 01:21:12.920 --> 01:21:19.039 Along the dragon lies ahead resolve, Yeah, oh god, it's 1745 01:21:19.079 --> 01:21:21.479 almost like, what do you want to call it? 1746 01:21:21.479 --> 01:21:23.000 It's a bit literal. 1747 01:21:23.560 --> 01:21:26.560 One of the games called where like climbing a hill 1748 01:21:26.720 --> 01:21:32.079 or whatever. Celeste, no, oh, the Benefatti stuff, fadi in Yeah, 1749 01:21:32.359 --> 01:21:35.439 almost the movement sort of is it even in? And yes, 1750 01:21:35.520 --> 01:21:37.119 she's given sex eyes, for sure. 1751 01:21:37.039 --> 01:21:39.560 She's given sex eyes, but you can ignore that. What 1752 01:21:39.640 --> 01:21:41.359 I think I would say is like, I think it 1753 01:21:41.399 --> 01:21:44.359 is a genuinely cool mechanic that you need your sword 1754 01:21:44.359 --> 01:21:46.520 in order to jump and traverse the space. But as 1755 01:21:46.560 --> 01:21:49.600 your sword gets longer, it also becomes a hindrance. It 1756 01:21:49.640 --> 01:21:52.359 gets to a point where it's like this sword is 1757 01:21:52.439 --> 01:21:55.119 actually so annoying and now I'm stuck, and so it 1758 01:21:55.159 --> 01:21:58.239 has it has buttons to reset your character because you 1759 01:21:58.279 --> 01:22:01.720 will get stuck an environment with your sword. I found 1760 01:22:01.720 --> 01:22:04.720 it frustrating and yet enjoyable, and it I just thought 1761 01:22:04.720 --> 01:22:07.720 maybe it could be like a good blight experience to 1762 01:22:08.239 --> 01:22:10.560 try and get through this game in about twenty thirty minutes. 1763 01:22:10.600 --> 01:22:11.600 It's very frustrating. 1764 01:22:12.079 --> 01:22:14.560 Wow, that was sure, But it is. It's not a demo, right, 1765 01:22:14.560 --> 01:22:15.359 It's fully released. 1766 01:22:15.840 --> 01:22:17.680 It's a game. It's a still game. I just I 1767 01:22:17.720 --> 01:22:19.800 feel like it was kind of like a game jam 1768 01:22:19.840 --> 01:22:23.960 game gotcha, Okay, if that makes sense. It's it's a released, 1769 01:22:24.880 --> 01:22:28.960 free to play a game. The next one was a 1770 01:22:29.119 --> 01:22:31.600 Big Hops. I think you recommended this for me, Dan, 1771 01:22:31.720 --> 01:22:33.359 So I did download it and play it, and I 1772 01:22:33.600 --> 01:22:38.760 liked it. I haven't beaten it yet. I've started playing Meo, 1773 01:22:38.840 --> 01:22:41.880 and I think that's like now that I've now that 1774 01:22:41.920 --> 01:22:44.560 I've tasted Meo, it's like, Okay, this is a different world. 1775 01:22:44.600 --> 01:22:47.439 But like what you said about Big Hops is still true. 1776 01:22:47.479 --> 01:22:52.039 It's a fun, lighthearted platformer. It has it has some 1777 01:22:52.119 --> 01:22:54.640 weird physics you can like, it's just a little janky. 1778 01:22:54.800 --> 01:22:57.199 I die a lot in the stupidest ways that I 1779 01:22:57.199 --> 01:23:00.520 think the game is like just slightly broken it is 1780 01:23:00.720 --> 01:23:04.840 so cute and colorful and adorable, and I love the 1781 01:23:04.880 --> 01:23:08.439 mechanics of unlocking locks with my tongue. They're like tiny 1782 01:23:08.439 --> 01:23:11.760 little puzzles that are like BioShock puzzles, but you use 1783 01:23:11.760 --> 01:23:15.760 your tongue to crack the code. It's sweet. Have you 1784 01:23:15.760 --> 01:23:18.640 gone to the park where there's ropes and you use 1785 01:23:18.720 --> 01:23:21.479 this goo and it connects two areas with a rope. 1786 01:23:21.640 --> 01:23:23.239 You must be further in me because I don't think 1787 01:23:23.239 --> 01:23:25.199 I've seen any lock puzzles or anything like that. 1788 01:23:25.760 --> 01:23:27.880 It's it's a really neat thing that they've done to 1789 01:23:27.920 --> 01:23:30.359 open the game up. So there's uh, they've had all 1790 01:23:30.359 --> 01:23:32.039 these different I know you've seen them and they're like 1791 01:23:32.119 --> 01:23:35.000 mushrooms and they let you jump, or they've had this, uh, 1792 01:23:36.159 --> 01:23:38.920 it doesn't matter. It goes up. And now you have 1793 01:23:38.960 --> 01:23:41.199 a climbing vines so you can get yeah. 1794 01:23:41.399 --> 01:23:41.840 Yeah. 1795 01:23:41.880 --> 01:23:45.039 And now there's a new one and it's it's like 1796 01:23:45.079 --> 01:23:47.800 a googball and when you when you throw it, a 1797 01:23:47.920 --> 01:23:52.560 rope automatically connects to spaces and so they'll throw you 1798 01:23:52.600 --> 01:23:54.680 in a cavern with absolutely no way to get out 1799 01:23:54.800 --> 01:23:56.600 and give you a bunch of gooballs. And so I'm 1800 01:23:56.640 --> 01:23:59.880 making rope nets to climb out. It's kind of cool 1801 01:24:00.119 --> 01:24:02.000 you can make them the way you want to. I 1802 01:24:02.000 --> 01:24:05.319 think it's neat. I think like, if I hadn't just 1803 01:24:05.359 --> 01:24:07.640 played Meo, I'd be like, what a great platformer for 1804 01:24:07.720 --> 01:24:09.920 me to sink my teeth into. But now all I 1805 01:24:09.920 --> 01:24:14.119 can do is play Meo. So if I were to 1806 01:24:14.840 --> 01:24:19.800 pick a platformer Metroidvania Space to be, it would be Meo. 1807 01:24:19.960 --> 01:24:22.720 And then finally, quarantine Zone. This is a weird one. 1808 01:24:23.960 --> 01:24:27.880 I love zombie apocalypses, you guys know that, and I 1809 01:24:27.960 --> 01:24:31.840 love any type of zombie games. So this is just 1810 01:24:31.880 --> 01:24:35.720 a weird one where you're in a zombie outbreak. You're 1811 01:24:35.720 --> 01:24:38.239 in a quarantine zone, and you're the scanner. Your job 1812 01:24:38.319 --> 01:24:41.399 is to scan people and decide whether or not they're zombies. 1813 01:24:42.199 --> 01:24:44.560 As a fantasy. I'm obsessed. 1814 01:24:44.800 --> 01:24:45.439 I love it. 1815 01:24:45.479 --> 01:24:50.159 I love the idea. If their eyes are yellow, that's okay, fella. 1816 01:24:50.439 --> 01:24:52.840 If their eyes are red, they gotta be dead. And 1817 01:24:52.920 --> 01:24:55.479 so like, I've made all these little catchphrases to like 1818 01:24:55.600 --> 01:24:58.479 let people in, I like decide whether or not if 1819 01:24:58.520 --> 01:25:01.000 you send them to your death. Also, JANKI, if you 1820 01:25:01.079 --> 01:25:03.039 send them to your death, you can follow them and 1821 01:25:03.079 --> 01:25:06.640 watch them get murdered because you don't tell them. You're 1822 01:25:06.680 --> 01:25:08.439 just like, you need to go to section D, bud 1823 01:25:08.479 --> 01:25:10.359 and then he goes to section D and then he 1824 01:25:10.880 --> 01:25:14.600 rag dolls and they kill him. There's lots of different 1825 01:25:14.600 --> 01:25:18.199 devices that you need, and so each each day or 1826 01:25:18.239 --> 01:25:22.439 each section of the game, you progress with different items. 1827 01:25:22.600 --> 01:25:24.479 At first, you're just checking their eyes and their skin, 1828 01:25:24.760 --> 01:25:27.199 then you're checking their temperature. Then you can actually find 1829 01:25:27.199 --> 01:25:29.840 a device that goes under their clothes. There are sections 1830 01:25:29.840 --> 01:25:33.520 where you're shooting zombies because they get in They mix 1831 01:25:33.600 --> 01:25:35.760 it up a lot. I do think it's kind of 1832 01:25:35.840 --> 01:25:37.520 it's just in general, I would just say it's just 1833 01:25:37.560 --> 01:25:40.359 a little jank. It's it's obvious that it's really not 1834 01:25:40.520 --> 01:25:45.880 fully baked. If you like fantasies of a zombie apocalypse 1835 01:25:45.960 --> 01:25:51.119 and doing like a papers Please situation, yeah, you're like 1836 01:25:51.159 --> 01:25:55.439 deciding people's fate. There's no time limit. If you aren't sure. 1837 01:25:55.760 --> 01:25:58.039 Sometimes the people will be in a gray area. They 1838 01:25:58.119 --> 01:26:00.239 might be a zombie, but they might be fine. You 1839 01:26:00.279 --> 01:26:02.520 can put them in quarantine and then check on them 1840 01:26:02.560 --> 01:26:04.800 the next day and see if they've become a zombie, 1841 01:26:04.800 --> 01:26:07.239 which is cool, but you can only put three people 1842 01:26:07.239 --> 01:26:09.319 into quarantine, so you have to be thoughtful. If you 1843 01:26:09.359 --> 01:26:12.079 put someone who's actually sick in the safe area, then 1844 01:26:12.079 --> 01:26:13.640 they light up your entire space that you have a 1845 01:26:13.680 --> 01:26:15.439 zombie outbreak and a bunch of people that you saved 1846 01:26:15.479 --> 01:26:18.159 get sick. If you kill people, that's also not good 1847 01:26:18.199 --> 01:26:20.199 because you need them. You get more points and more 1848 01:26:20.239 --> 01:26:22.119 money if you're like saving people, so you want to 1849 01:26:22.159 --> 01:26:25.520 save as many people as possible. I ended up getting 1850 01:26:25.560 --> 01:26:29.680 really frustrated at a at a section where I was 1851 01:26:29.680 --> 01:26:32.520 shooting zombies. I just don't think that that's where this 1852 01:26:32.600 --> 01:26:36.319 game shines. It's not a shooter. It's not intended to be. 1853 01:26:36.359 --> 01:26:38.000 I don't even know why they added that part of 1854 01:26:38.000 --> 01:26:42.399 this game. I'm here to scan people and determine whether 1855 01:26:42.479 --> 01:26:44.680 or not they're sick enough for me to kill them, 1856 01:26:44.880 --> 01:26:48.239 and I don't know. I don't think it's for me. 1857 01:26:48.359 --> 01:26:54.960 But I can appreciate a zombie apocalypse fantasy game, and 1858 01:26:54.960 --> 01:26:56.039 that's exactly what this. 1859 01:26:56.000 --> 01:27:01.319 Is, right, all right? I think that's everything. Do you 1860 01:27:01.359 --> 01:27:07.039 guys want to talk about emails? Sure? Yeah, okay? As usually, 1861 01:27:07.039 --> 01:27:10.000 you can ride into Fireescape Cast at firescape cast at 1862 01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:13.399 gmail dot com for questions you want read on the show. 1863 01:27:13.800 --> 01:27:16.359 Got a bunch of new ones since the last episode 1864 01:27:16.640 --> 01:27:20.239 starting twenty twenty six off in a strong way, Mary, 1865 01:27:20.319 --> 01:27:24.199 do you want to read this first one? From Thomas? 1866 01:27:26.039 --> 01:27:30.119 Hello, Lovely Fire Escape Ease. I picked a hell of 1867 01:27:30.159 --> 01:27:32.880 a month to do my first dry January. I've been 1868 01:27:32.920 --> 01:27:36.199 replacing most of my alcohol intake with cava. Cava is 1869 01:27:36.239 --> 01:27:38.520 a root tea from the South Pacific that gives you 1870 01:27:38.560 --> 01:27:42.239 a nice, mellow buzz. It's relaxing, not intoxicating, there's no hangover, 1871 01:27:42.560 --> 01:27:44.800 and you can't have too much. On the flip side, 1872 01:27:44.840 --> 01:27:47.279 it tastes like mud. It makes your lips and tongue numb, 1873 01:27:47.680 --> 01:27:50.439 and it takes quite a while to prepare and if 1874 01:27:50.439 --> 01:27:52.039 you have to drink a lot of it on an 1875 01:27:52.039 --> 01:27:56.039 empty stomach because the effects are very slight. It's a 1876 01:27:56.079 --> 01:27:58.720 hard sell and a tough thing to explain to people 1877 01:27:58.760 --> 01:28:01.159 who have never tried it. Do you have anything that 1878 01:28:01.199 --> 01:28:04.199 you do frequently that it's hard to explain or hard 1879 01:28:04.239 --> 01:28:07.039 to sell? Thanks to the podcast, love y'all, Joy is 1880 01:28:07.079 --> 01:28:14.000 an act of resistance. Thomas from Northeast East Sorry I 1881 01:28:14.000 --> 01:28:20.640 was gonna say Northeast Nord East Minneapolis. 1882 01:28:16.800 --> 01:28:17.399 I'm drink. 1883 01:28:20.640 --> 01:28:23.600 For you knows about those I live Northeast. 1884 01:28:23.840 --> 01:28:29.239 Yeah. Man, uh much love to you, Thomas. Uh, that's 1885 01:28:29.239 --> 01:28:33.279 a cool that's a cool setup of like stuff that 1886 01:28:33.359 --> 01:28:36.800 you that you feel like you struggle to sell people on. 1887 01:28:36.880 --> 01:28:42.600 I will say, like, uh, speaking of tongue numbing, it 1888 01:28:42.720 --> 01:28:45.000 wasn't until recent years. The last five years, I got 1889 01:28:45.000 --> 01:28:51.520 really into sesshuan peppercorns. Sashwan is a spice that numbs 1890 01:28:51.560 --> 01:28:55.840 your tongue, and it alters flavor profiles, so it can 1891 01:28:55.880 --> 01:28:59.640 make meat more savory, it can make beer taste like 1892 01:28:59.680 --> 01:29:03.600 apple juice. It just changes things. And I am so 1893 01:29:03.760 --> 01:29:07.000 obsessed with sesshuan and I will crush these bad boys 1894 01:29:07.039 --> 01:29:14.439 into soups and into different dishes. Crushed, they look like seeds. 1895 01:29:14.840 --> 01:29:14.960 Ok. 1896 01:29:17.039 --> 01:29:19.800 You should google it, but they look like a crunchy, 1897 01:29:19.880 --> 01:29:21.760 dry seed, which I think they are. They look like 1898 01:29:21.800 --> 01:29:25.720 a peppercorn. How about like an open peppercorn? 1899 01:29:25.880 --> 01:29:26.960 Okay, assume. 1900 01:29:27.920 --> 01:29:31.520 And I keep them at my house specifically so that 1901 01:29:31.560 --> 01:29:33.920 if I have hot pot, which I love, it's like 1902 01:29:33.960 --> 01:29:36.920 one of my favorite meals to make, I cram a 1903 01:29:37.000 --> 01:29:40.720 bunch of sesshuan in my tongue and rub them all 1904 01:29:40.760 --> 01:29:43.600 over my tongue until my tombs tongue is so numb 1905 01:29:43.680 --> 01:29:47.439 that I can't feel it. Then I have guess. I'm like, 1906 01:29:47.560 --> 01:29:49.880 you gotta put the jobs on your tongue, directly on 1907 01:29:49.920 --> 01:29:52.319 the tongue. You gotta mash them in the mash the 1908 01:29:52.359 --> 01:29:54.560 gou in your tongue, and then and then have a 1909 01:29:54.560 --> 01:29:56.800 sup of beer. It tastes like apple juice. And everyone's like, 1910 01:29:56.960 --> 01:29:59.279 you're fucking weird, and I can't. I have a hard 1911 01:29:59.359 --> 01:30:03.680 time convincing people that it's so fun to mess with 1912 01:30:03.720 --> 01:30:06.680 your tongues flavor profiles and to make things taste more 1913 01:30:06.720 --> 01:30:09.880 like umami or like more savory. Everyone thinks I'm a freak. 1914 01:30:10.079 --> 01:30:13.479 I love no, you know what, I do that quite 1915 01:30:13.479 --> 01:30:19.199 a bit with changing flavor profiles of food. That's literally 1916 01:30:19.279 --> 01:30:22.399 what wine and food pairing is. But anyway, I love. 1917 01:30:22.960 --> 01:30:24.560 Mary brings them to New Orleans. 1918 01:30:25.800 --> 01:30:26.520 I love. 1919 01:30:26.600 --> 01:30:31.159 I will. I'll bring the baggie of them. You can't know. 1920 01:30:31.359 --> 01:30:33.560 It comes from the prickly ash tree, which is an 1921 01:30:33.600 --> 01:30:35.840 invasive species in states. It's not allowed and you have 1922 01:30:35.880 --> 01:30:45.199 to quarantine it. What he's tree. But I'm you you can't. 1923 01:30:45.239 --> 01:30:45.920 You can bring it. 1924 01:30:48.000 --> 01:30:49.479 I will try that, bring it, bring the neurons. 1925 01:30:49.520 --> 01:30:49.960 I'll try some. 1926 01:30:50.920 --> 01:30:52.680 I think it's great in a soup, Yeah, go ahead. 1927 01:30:52.800 --> 01:30:55.520 Mine is definitely meditation because it's the thing that's like 1928 01:30:55.640 --> 01:30:58.319 helped me so much for so long with anxiety, and 1929 01:30:58.399 --> 01:31:00.000 it's like it's something that like even if I don't, 1930 01:31:00.000 --> 01:31:01.960 I have like a dedicated practice every day where I'm 1931 01:31:01.960 --> 01:31:03.239 doing it for thirty minutes a day, and it's just 1932 01:31:03.279 --> 01:31:05.840 the things I've learned through meditation and like just ways 1933 01:31:05.840 --> 01:31:09.960 of thinking is it's very much just change the way 1934 01:31:10.000 --> 01:31:10.520 I think. 1935 01:31:10.319 --> 01:31:11.640 And the way I deal with certain things. 1936 01:31:12.479 --> 01:31:14.760 But every time, like there's a certain type person where 1937 01:31:14.760 --> 01:31:17.199 it's like, you know, they'll be asking about anxiety or 1938 01:31:17.279 --> 01:31:18.720 certain things, and ibody like, you know, what would really 1939 01:31:18.760 --> 01:31:21.600 help you is a meditation and people will be like, oh, 1940 01:31:21.680 --> 01:31:23.279 there's no way I could ever do that. It's to 1941 01:31:23.359 --> 01:31:25.159 my mind's always going to a million different places. There's 1942 01:31:25.159 --> 01:31:26.319 no way I just be able to sit and think 1943 01:31:26.359 --> 01:31:28.960 about nothing for fifteen minutes. And it's like, that's the 1944 01:31:29.039 --> 01:31:32.000 fucking point. It's not about thinking about nothing. It's about 1945 01:31:32.000 --> 01:31:34.600 recognizing when the thoughts are coming into your head, acknowledging 1946 01:31:34.680 --> 01:31:37.479 them and then letting them pass on by. It's and 1947 01:31:37.520 --> 01:31:40.520 then like if somebody will even try it, it's always 1948 01:31:40.520 --> 01:31:42.760 the same thing with certain types of people, where it's 1949 01:31:42.760 --> 01:31:45.000 like I just kept having I just kept having different 1950 01:31:45.000 --> 01:31:46.640 thoughts stuff I couldn't just like clear my mind. It's 1951 01:31:46.640 --> 01:31:48.600 like it's not about clearing your mind. It's not that's 1952 01:31:48.640 --> 01:31:51.600 not what it is. There's just so many like misconceptions 1953 01:31:51.640 --> 01:31:53.920 about it, and everyone thinks they're bad at it when 1954 01:31:53.920 --> 01:31:56.520 it's like, that is the fucking practice. It's like I've 1955 01:31:56.520 --> 01:31:59.319 meditated for over twenty years. I sit down to do it, 1956 01:31:59.640 --> 01:32:01.560 I am still like sitting there thinking like, oh fuck, 1957 01:32:01.600 --> 01:32:03.479 I gotta return to that email. And it's like wait, nope, nope. 1958 01:32:03.479 --> 01:32:06.560 The practice is acknowledging that thought. Let it pass on by, 1959 01:32:06.760 --> 01:32:08.439 back to the breath, back to the body scan, whatever 1960 01:32:08.439 --> 01:32:11.039 I'm doing. That is the practice. That is doing a rep, 1961 01:32:11.119 --> 01:32:13.520 that is doing a bicep curl. That is like you're 1962 01:32:13.560 --> 01:32:15.720 not just sitting there with a clear mind for you know, 1963 01:32:15.760 --> 01:32:17.880 thirty minutes on a pillow, Like that's not what it is. 1964 01:32:17.920 --> 01:32:20.279 So it is just like if I can even get 1965 01:32:20.279 --> 01:32:23.279 someone to try it, it's like they still think like 1966 01:32:23.319 --> 01:32:23.840 I'm bad at it. 1967 01:32:23.840 --> 01:32:24.520 I could never do this. 1968 01:32:25.000 --> 01:32:27.479 That's just that's it's a practice. Something you got to 1969 01:32:27.520 --> 01:32:29.239 work on and you will get better at it and 1970 01:32:29.239 --> 01:32:31.800 you will see the results and not that much time. 1971 01:32:31.600 --> 01:32:33.000 If if you give it a shot. But a lot 1972 01:32:33.039 --> 01:32:33.680 of people just. 1973 01:32:34.279 --> 01:32:35.079 What do you do in it? 1974 01:32:35.159 --> 01:32:36.239 Though? What do you mean? 1975 01:32:37.000 --> 01:32:38.239 How do you do win? 1976 01:32:39.960 --> 01:32:43.720 I see what you're doing this goal I was. 1977 01:32:45.119 --> 01:32:54.319 I was Dungeons and dragons just we both run nice one. 1978 01:32:56.359 --> 01:32:58.880 I meditated quite a bit on the West Coast. I 1979 01:32:58.920 --> 01:33:01.479 fell out of practice. But yeah, like I know exactly 1980 01:33:01.520 --> 01:33:04.119 what you mean. It is like a muscle you need 1981 01:33:04.119 --> 01:33:07.520 to work out and maintain otherwise at atrophies. But if 1982 01:33:07.600 --> 01:33:10.520 I was to meditate tomorrow morning, I would suck. Yeah, 1983 01:33:10.680 --> 01:33:13.119 everything flying through my head would linger there and then 1984 01:33:13.119 --> 01:33:14.760 I'd think I would push away and then It'll be 1985 01:33:14.760 --> 01:33:16.560 like yeah, but like I would be better at it 1986 01:33:16.600 --> 01:33:17.960 in three weeks if I do it consistent. 1987 01:33:18.039 --> 01:33:20.960 Yeah, it's because I meditate, is why I can. Like, 1988 01:33:21.000 --> 01:33:22.479 if I'm in a dentist chair or something that I 1989 01:33:22.560 --> 01:33:24.000 used to not be able to, like, I would just 1990 01:33:24.039 --> 01:33:26.000 avoid the dentists like the plague, and I still don't 1991 01:33:26.079 --> 01:33:28.079 like it. No one likes it, but I can go 1992 01:33:28.119 --> 01:33:30.000 in now and if it's like uh, they're kind of 1993 01:33:30.039 --> 01:33:32.319 just like doing something or drilling into something or whatever, 1994 01:33:32.520 --> 01:33:34.119 and like I'm tens enough and I'm like, oh God, 1995 01:33:34.159 --> 01:33:36.920 it's gonna hurt really be Like I will acknowledge that, like, oh, 1996 01:33:36.960 --> 01:33:39.920 I'm having that thought that I'm anticipating pain, but that's 1997 01:33:40.000 --> 01:33:42.079 just the thought, that's not reality, And I'll kind of 1998 01:33:42.119 --> 01:33:43.720 let that go and I'll focus on my breath and 1999 01:33:43.720 --> 01:33:45.159 I'm able to just kind of like like I can 2000 01:33:45.279 --> 01:33:48.199 feel the tension just leave every muscle in my body 2001 01:33:48.520 --> 01:33:51.359 as I incorporate these things I've learned through meditation, Like 2002 01:33:51.399 --> 01:33:53.079 it is a tremendous skill to have. 2003 01:33:53.680 --> 01:33:56.840 That's great, Dan, That's like such a powerful skill, And 2004 01:33:57.199 --> 01:34:00.319 there's pieces in that that everybody probably does really too. 2005 01:34:01.880 --> 01:34:04.520 There are so many studies that show that naming a 2006 01:34:04.600 --> 01:34:08.920 feeling helps alleviate it. So if there is a spider 2007 01:34:08.920 --> 01:34:13.399 in a room and everybody's like measuring how afraid people 2008 01:34:13.439 --> 01:34:15.560 are of the spider, but then you ask everyone in 2009 01:34:15.560 --> 01:34:17.960 the room, how are you feeling right now, and they say, oh, 2010 01:34:17.960 --> 01:34:21.600 I'm afraid because of the spider, they're less afraid. Like, 2011 01:34:22.279 --> 01:34:25.680 naming the feeling helps you process the feeling. It's like 2012 01:34:25.880 --> 01:34:30.600 basic psychology. But those are things that you're learning and practicing, 2013 01:34:31.880 --> 01:34:34.960 and your practice I think you're wonderful. 2014 01:34:35.039 --> 01:34:37.880 Your thoughts and feelings aren't reality, you know, like they 2015 01:34:37.960 --> 01:34:39.560 can be scary and everything, but like as soon as 2016 01:34:39.600 --> 01:34:41.119 you realize, like, oh, this is just the thought, this 2017 01:34:41.199 --> 01:34:43.359 is in my head, this is that's not reality necessarily, 2018 01:34:43.359 --> 01:34:45.399 and like things you can learn through that. 2019 01:34:45.319 --> 01:34:48.119 You know you are right to be afraid of pain. 2020 01:34:50.319 --> 01:34:52.159 All come out and say I don't like pain either. 2021 01:34:52.359 --> 01:34:54.560 I feel like that is a fair fight or flight 2022 01:34:54.680 --> 01:34:58.399 response to me, Like, I'm also anxious in so many 2023 01:34:58.439 --> 01:35:00.640 people are anxious, and the dentist share it's such a 2024 01:35:00.640 --> 01:35:04.600 miserable experience. But like, what I don't like is the 2025 01:35:04.920 --> 01:35:08.680 high pitched weed noise. I don't I just don't like 2026 01:35:08.760 --> 01:35:13.880 that in my head. Yeah, I don't want it in there. 2027 01:35:14.000 --> 01:35:16.399 And so like obviously I wouldn't like the pain either. 2028 01:35:16.439 --> 01:35:20.039 But the thing that I would struggle with meditation in 2029 01:35:20.079 --> 01:35:22.680 that situation is that there's a high pitched noise that's 2030 01:35:22.720 --> 01:35:23.800 so distracting to me. 2031 01:35:23.840 --> 01:35:26.039 But it's a little different because like I'm not technically 2032 01:35:26.039 --> 01:35:29.119 like meditating. When I'm in the dentist chair, I'm saying 2033 01:35:29.239 --> 01:35:32.479 I'm taking I'm taking the things I've learned through meditation, 2034 01:35:32.600 --> 01:35:36.079 the ability to not attach myself to thoughts, and so 2035 01:35:36.239 --> 01:35:39.399 through my meditation practice, when I'm in a situation like that, 2036 01:35:39.600 --> 01:35:41.520 I can have that thought where I'm really tense, like 2037 01:35:41.520 --> 01:35:43.359 oh this is about to hurt, and I can be like, wait, no, 2038 01:35:43.520 --> 01:35:45.880 that's just a thought, and I can just let it go, 2039 01:35:45.960 --> 01:35:47.520 let it just float on down the river there, and 2040 01:35:47.560 --> 01:35:49.439 I can just feel my body relaxed, because like there's 2041 01:35:49.560 --> 01:35:50.680 that's a good practice. 2042 01:35:50.760 --> 01:35:53.439 It's great as it'd be fun though if you were 2043 01:35:53.439 --> 01:35:58.239 like I'm gone, they're drilling you, and you're like you're little, 2044 01:35:58.800 --> 01:36:01.279 You're a little cloud body. He actually disappears. 2045 01:36:01.760 --> 01:36:05.960 Uh ast, Yeah, you just get the fuck out of there. 2046 01:36:06.199 --> 01:36:12.000 You're in a taco bell. They're drilling you. 2047 01:36:12.000 --> 01:36:15.119 Your insurance was rejected in the fire sauce all over 2048 01:36:15.159 --> 01:36:16.000 my meditation pillow. 2049 01:36:16.199 --> 01:36:19.319 You're ordering, you're ordering a kisadiya. 2050 01:36:20.000 --> 01:36:24.880 Yeah, I think mine. I mean, I don't think I'm 2051 01:36:24.920 --> 01:36:28.399 preaching the choir here with you two, especially after the 2052 01:36:28.439 --> 01:36:30.840 last episode when Dan was realizing he actually really likes 2053 01:36:30.840 --> 01:36:33.640 horror movies. But I think horror in general as a 2054 01:36:33.680 --> 01:36:37.359 broad genre, the people who get it get it, and 2055 01:36:37.399 --> 01:36:39.840 I realize it's probably bigger than ever now. But like 2056 01:36:39.880 --> 01:36:42.239 I like reading horror. I like playing horror games, I 2057 01:36:42.239 --> 01:36:43.960 like watching horror movies, and a lot of people always 2058 01:36:43.960 --> 01:36:45.560 like why do you The people who don't get it 2059 01:36:45.600 --> 01:36:47.640 often are like, why do you like being scared? I'm like, 2060 01:36:48.199 --> 01:36:50.680 Cuz it's in a safe environment, and also it's cathartic, 2061 01:36:50.840 --> 01:36:55.680 and it's like there's a power in projecting these very 2062 01:36:55.720 --> 01:37:00.199 primal emotions onto other characters in their situations. Especially. But 2063 01:37:00.239 --> 01:37:02.039 they're like, but the but like the world is fucked 2064 01:37:02.079 --> 01:37:03.520 right now, isn't it. Like don't you want to watch 2065 01:37:03.560 --> 01:37:05.359 like some like a rom com or something. It's like no, 2066 01:37:05.560 --> 01:37:08.600 Like there is a way of processing emotions by watching 2067 01:37:08.680 --> 01:37:10.439 these in a very powerful way. It almost is like 2068 01:37:10.479 --> 01:37:13.680 therapeutic in its own its own regard. But also I 2069 01:37:13.720 --> 01:37:18.039 just I don't know, I'm drawn quite heavily to like 2070 01:37:18.279 --> 01:37:22.199 dark stories because then I I find the characters more 2071 01:37:22.199 --> 01:37:23.920 compelling when they're in these situations. 2072 01:37:24.159 --> 01:37:26.439 Well, yeah, you mentioned like scary things in safe environments. 2073 01:37:26.479 --> 01:37:28.039 That's the same thing where it's like, you know, I 2074 01:37:28.079 --> 01:37:30.279 fucking love roller coasters, and there's so many people that 2075 01:37:30.319 --> 01:37:32.239 are like, oh, why would you like, I don't understand, 2076 01:37:32.239 --> 01:37:34.439 Like it's so scary, and it's like, well, yeah, I mean, 2077 01:37:34.479 --> 01:37:37.239 that's the thing. You get to experience this adrenaline in 2078 01:37:37.279 --> 01:37:39.479 this feeling of your brain being like this is dangerous, 2079 01:37:39.560 --> 01:37:41.479 but you know you've got the bar there. You know 2080 01:37:41.560 --> 01:37:42.359 you're not going to die. 2081 01:37:42.399 --> 01:37:42.600 You know. 2082 01:37:42.680 --> 01:37:45.520 It's like that's the appeal is like danger but you 2083 01:37:45.560 --> 01:37:46.479 know you're actually safe. 2084 01:37:47.079 --> 01:37:51.199 Yeah, but that's that's not as hard as much of 2085 01:37:51.239 --> 01:37:53.319 a hard cell these days. But that's probably the one. 2086 01:37:53.520 --> 01:37:56.840 Like I do get detractors. I'm like, hey, I'm not 2087 01:37:56.880 --> 01:37:59.800 saying it's for you. I'm just saying I think you 2088 01:37:59.840 --> 01:38:02.359 have a simplistic take on why I like it. Here's why. 2089 01:38:02.439 --> 01:38:03.680 The deeper reason I like it. 2090 01:38:04.000 --> 01:38:07.520 I think that that's really cool that hopefully you can 2091 01:38:07.720 --> 01:38:10.520 convince a couple people like the number one reason is 2092 01:38:10.520 --> 01:38:13.680 people like, why would you be stressed after a stressful 2093 01:38:13.720 --> 01:38:16.119 day of work? And I was like, because if you 2094 01:38:16.159 --> 01:38:19.600 are watching someone get hacked to death, then who cares 2095 01:38:19.960 --> 01:38:25.439 that that email wasn't very smart? All of your worldly issues, Yeah, 2096 01:38:25.479 --> 01:38:26.640 all that shit has gone. 2097 01:38:27.119 --> 01:38:29.000 When you watch a horror movie, you're not trapped in 2098 01:38:29.000 --> 01:38:30.880 a house. You're not going to do the coagula to you. 2099 01:38:30.920 --> 01:38:36.199 To an elderly person, you're fine. Some people are fine. Well, 2100 01:38:36.239 --> 01:38:41.079 thank you, Thomas, Dan, you want to do this one 2101 01:38:41.199 --> 01:38:42.920 from Lucas. 2102 01:38:42.560 --> 01:38:45.239 Yes, escapees. There's always been a fair amount of food 2103 01:38:45.279 --> 01:38:47.199 talk on this pot, but I'm wondering what fast food 2104 01:38:47.279 --> 01:38:50.560 is a bridge too far. I'd assume Mike is nearly everything, 2105 01:38:50.560 --> 01:38:52.720 and Dan is probably nothing, and Mary might be somewhere 2106 01:38:52.720 --> 01:38:56.000 in between. For myself, it's Arby's. I blame the Simpsons 2107 01:38:56.000 --> 01:38:57.840 in the talk of throwing raccoons over the fence and 2108 01:38:57.920 --> 01:39:01.079 letting Arby's worry about it. So they're sandwiches make me 2109 01:39:01.159 --> 01:39:03.279 uncomfortable for a reason. I've never been able to put 2110 01:39:03.279 --> 01:39:07.880 my Figer on love Lucas. 2111 01:39:06.600 --> 01:39:10.119 Uh Arby's is assumption of. 2112 01:39:10.119 --> 01:39:12.760 The three of us is interesting, don't you think? Is 2113 01:39:12.800 --> 01:39:13.359 it accurate? 2114 01:39:14.399 --> 01:39:16.319 No? I mean I don't. I don't think everything's too far. 2115 01:39:16.399 --> 01:39:18.319 I eat fast food. People assume like. 2116 01:39:19.560 --> 01:39:22.359 I'm not a low tolerance. 2117 01:39:23.000 --> 01:39:25.840 I definitely eat it very rarely. But I've never seen 2118 01:39:25.880 --> 01:39:27.199 you turn your nose up at it. I have the 2119 01:39:27.199 --> 01:39:28.479 thing I would say, but for all we give you 2120 01:39:28.479 --> 01:39:30.359 ship for being like high flutin and stuff like, You've 2121 01:39:30.359 --> 01:39:33.119 never been one to like turn your nose up thinking. 2122 01:39:33.239 --> 01:39:35.840 One of my favorite wine food pairings is Popeye's chicken 2123 01:39:35.880 --> 01:39:36.800 sandwich and champagne. 2124 01:39:36.800 --> 01:39:38.039 We did that when you came here, and it was fine. 2125 01:39:38.039 --> 01:39:40.479 It was great. Or Pepperini pizza and caviny frank like that. 2126 01:39:40.600 --> 01:39:43.960 I love high low pairings. But speaking of Arby's, really quick, 2127 01:39:44.000 --> 01:39:47.520 and this kind of touches on Luke's question. I never 2128 01:39:47.640 --> 01:39:50.359 really loved Arby's and I never fully understood Arby's, and 2129 01:39:50.359 --> 01:39:53.000 I never understood how it got so big. Like I 2130 01:39:53.039 --> 01:39:56.079 feel like their whole, very specific thing was the roast 2131 01:39:56.079 --> 01:39:58.439 beef sandwich, and I've had a few of them and 2132 01:39:58.439 --> 01:40:01.560 they're good. But I grew up in Liverpool, New York. 2133 01:40:02.640 --> 01:40:06.680 On Route fifty seven. There was a Arby's and a 2134 01:40:06.760 --> 01:40:09.600 Taco Bell right next to each other, like literally there 2135 01:40:09.640 --> 01:40:13.399 was a curb dividing their drive throughs. So when my 2136 01:40:13.439 --> 01:40:15.079 parents just wanted to get fast food for the night 2137 01:40:15.079 --> 01:40:17.239 because they didn't want to make food for my mom 2138 01:40:17.279 --> 01:40:20.359 specifically didn't want to make food for five kids, they'd say, Hey, 2139 01:40:20.359 --> 01:40:22.520 we're doing Taco Bell slash Arby's. Let us know what 2140 01:40:22.560 --> 01:40:25.039 you want. I would always do Taco Bell. I had 2141 01:40:25.039 --> 01:40:28.680 like two siblings who sometimes went with Arby's, but I 2142 01:40:28.760 --> 01:40:34.880 always was a bit uncomfortable with the Arby's sandwich roast. Yeah, 2143 01:40:35.439 --> 01:40:37.279 it was just such a weird thing that people go 2144 01:40:37.319 --> 01:40:38.520 out of their way to buy. And this was like 2145 01:40:38.640 --> 01:40:39.960 huge nationwide chain. 2146 01:40:41.199 --> 01:40:44.720 The hype like altern like everybody loved this roasty sandwich. 2147 01:40:44.920 --> 01:40:47.680 Sort of like the sandwich just didn't look appetizing. And 2148 01:40:47.760 --> 01:40:49.640 I don't know if I was clairvoyant because I hadn't 2149 01:40:49.640 --> 01:40:52.760 seen these at the age of nine, but looking back, 2150 01:40:52.840 --> 01:40:55.159 it just looks like a stack of like labia on 2151 01:40:55.199 --> 01:40:57.600 a sandwich. And I never really got how that was. 2152 01:40:58.840 --> 01:40:59.960 I don't know. I didn't want to. 2153 01:41:00.079 --> 01:41:08.079 Oh my god, I'm gay. 2154 01:41:08.439 --> 01:41:14.319 Yeah, Mike gets it, but I I never I don't know. 2155 01:41:14.399 --> 01:41:16.239 I don't know how Arby's got so big on like 2156 01:41:16.279 --> 01:41:17.880 such specific things, but like. 2157 01:41:18.079 --> 01:41:20.359 They got the good they're the roast beef people, I mean, 2158 01:41:21.800 --> 01:41:23.279 and I still don't really you know, no one really 2159 01:41:23.279 --> 01:41:23.800 messes with them. 2160 01:41:25.039 --> 01:41:28.239 It's so such a specific thing. No, But I don't 2161 01:41:28.239 --> 01:41:31.000 think there's any like bridge too far from me. I 2162 01:41:31.000 --> 01:41:32.720 don't know if we're talking like health or just like 2163 01:41:32.800 --> 01:41:33.600 gross or. 2164 01:41:33.960 --> 01:41:36.119 I took it as like like blow you or something 2165 01:41:36.279 --> 01:41:40.279 like I I I guess saying that like there's nothing 2166 01:41:40.319 --> 01:41:42.880 I would like say absolutely not at I will say 2167 01:41:43.520 --> 01:41:45.960 I've never liked Burger King, and like, I think the 2168 01:41:46.000 --> 01:41:48.479 only time I would have Burger King is if like 2169 01:41:48.560 --> 01:41:51.600 it's the only option, like if you're on a road 2170 01:41:51.600 --> 01:41:53.319 trip and it's just like, fuck, we haven't had food 2171 01:41:53.319 --> 01:41:54.720 in a while, just whatever the next thing is. 2172 01:41:55.760 --> 01:41:58.520 Okay, it is the lesser of the big three burger 2173 01:41:59.159 --> 01:41:59.600 fast food. 2174 01:41:59.680 --> 01:42:02.239 I think it sucks. I think yeah mc McDonald's is 2175 01:42:03.239 --> 01:42:06.000 the standard. I think Wendy's is like a step up, 2176 01:42:06.239 --> 01:42:10.680 you know, like never frozen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're actually 2177 01:42:10.760 --> 01:42:14.199 my favorite. I'm very excited about this. So Bonk and 2178 01:42:14.279 --> 01:42:18.359 I the last sponsorship. Oh yeah, yeah we did Wendy's. Yeah, 2179 01:42:18.359 --> 01:42:22.479 that was great. Valk and I for the last few 2180 01:42:22.560 --> 01:42:24.840 years have done for Valentine's Day. We've done this like 2181 01:42:25.000 --> 01:42:29.479 really fancy, like prefixed, like very fine dining, James Beard 2182 01:42:29.520 --> 01:42:32.680 Award winning thing, you know, like it it's great, but 2183 01:42:32.920 --> 01:42:36.000 we're about to be on a vacation where we're gonna 2184 01:42:36.000 --> 01:42:37.760 have a lot of like fancy meals and stuff like that. 2185 01:42:37.880 --> 01:42:39.199 So it's like, oh, I don't want to like get 2186 01:42:39.239 --> 01:42:41.720 back to vacation and then like you know, they just 2187 01:42:41.880 --> 01:42:44.319 do another one of those you know it's gonna whatever. 2188 01:42:44.640 --> 01:42:47.159 So we're doing the thing. Yes, so we're doing the 2189 01:42:47.159 --> 01:42:49.439 White Castle thing where what's the way. 2190 01:42:49.319 --> 01:42:51.399 Oh my god, where you could there's select locations that 2191 01:42:51.399 --> 01:42:54.279 are doing Valentine's Day at. 2192 01:42:53.520 --> 01:42:55.000 I don't even know how selected is, Like there were 2193 01:42:55.039 --> 01:42:57.199 a bunch around here that do. And you have to 2194 01:42:57.199 --> 01:42:59.560 make reservations and like I've always heard about this, You 2195 01:42:59.560 --> 01:43:01.960 make reserve and they like do a whole thing where 2196 01:43:01.960 --> 01:43:04.079 they have waiters come to your like thing like at 2197 01:43:04.079 --> 01:43:06.479 the White Castle, and they have like a special menu 2198 01:43:06.520 --> 01:43:09.399 and things like that. So we're gonna go to Applebee's 2199 01:43:09.399 --> 01:43:12.880 for cocktails beforehand and then we get reservations of White. 2200 01:43:14.319 --> 01:43:16.520 Funny, I think it's gonna be awesome. So really looking 2201 01:43:16.560 --> 01:43:20.119 forward good. Yeah, I'm not above the thing. I am above. 2202 01:43:20.159 --> 01:43:24.520 I will say, if I'm in a city I'm new 2203 01:43:24.560 --> 01:43:27.079 to or just a like if I'm somewhere away from 2204 01:43:27.119 --> 01:43:30.920 home or even home, and I have the option between 2205 01:43:31.199 --> 01:43:33.880 like a local small business and I'm not just trying 2206 01:43:33.920 --> 01:43:39.319 to posture here and a chain, I will do my utmost. 2207 01:43:39.560 --> 01:43:41.680 I will, to the best of my abilities do the 2208 01:43:41.880 --> 01:43:44.720 local thing. Or like if I went to when we 2209 01:43:44.760 --> 01:43:46.680 go to Minneapolis, it's not like I'm like, we gotta 2210 01:43:46.720 --> 01:43:50.520 go to fucking to be clear, I could crush Applebee's 2211 01:43:50.560 --> 01:43:54.760 and Chili's. Chilies is a fucking national treasure. I will 2212 01:43:54.800 --> 01:43:57.680 still it is a bridge too far to me if 2213 01:43:57.680 --> 01:44:01.479 I see like a Chili's next to like a I 2214 01:44:01.479 --> 01:44:04.359 don't know, like Minneapolis has a lot of good like faugh, 2215 01:44:04.800 --> 01:44:07.319 I will do the fa every single time. Like if 2216 01:44:07.319 --> 01:44:09.920 I I would feel genuinely bad and it would be 2217 01:44:09.960 --> 01:44:11.439 a bitch too far if I went to the chain, 2218 01:44:11.760 --> 01:44:12.359 sure over that. 2219 01:44:12.960 --> 01:44:15.720 I think that's fair. I did the same thing. I 2220 01:44:15.840 --> 01:44:19.800 really avoid Starbucks like the plague. There's got to be 2221 01:44:19.840 --> 01:44:22.319 a local coffee shop that's gonna taste so good, and 2222 01:44:22.720 --> 01:44:25.800 I just prefer to support like that whatever. That little 2223 01:44:25.800 --> 01:44:29.520 business is way more than the Starbucks. All drink Starbucks. 2224 01:44:29.560 --> 01:44:32.560 It's not like I won't drink Starbucks, but like I 2225 01:44:32.680 --> 01:44:34.840 just don't want to drink a Starbucks. I would rather 2226 01:44:34.920 --> 01:44:36.079 drink I also. 2227 01:44:35.840 --> 01:44:39.159 Don't think I will like this is not the same 2228 01:44:39.199 --> 01:44:42.439 as like massive conglomerate versus mom and pop, but like 2229 01:44:42.479 --> 01:44:45.079 around here, it's like, yeah, Starbucks is everwhere, but also 2230 01:44:45.359 --> 01:44:48.560 Caribou Coffee is a local chain around here, and. 2231 01:44:48.720 --> 01:44:52.239 I bring back great every after every game of the year. 2232 01:44:52.359 --> 01:44:55.199 Yeah, it's very similar to Starbucks, and they're everywhere here, 2233 01:44:55.279 --> 01:44:57.239 but it's like and like, I don't like have a 2234 01:44:57.359 --> 01:44:59.760 super strong feeling about this coffee versus that coffee. But like, 2235 01:44:59.800 --> 01:45:01.720 if a Cariboo and Starbucks next to each other here, 2236 01:45:01.920 --> 01:45:03.840 I'm gonna do Cariboo. It's not a tiny little mom 2237 01:45:03.840 --> 01:45:05.920 and pop. It's a chain, but it's a Minnesota chain, 2238 01:45:06.000 --> 01:45:06.199 you know. 2239 01:45:06.680 --> 01:45:09.479 Oh yeah, when I go to San Francisco, it's like, yeah, 2240 01:45:09.600 --> 01:45:11.960 ideally I'll go to Phills for coffee. But I'm also 2241 01:45:12.039 --> 01:45:15.079 not above pets. Like I'm fine there. 2242 01:45:15.119 --> 01:45:17.479 I like Petz, I like PILs too. Those are both good, 2243 01:45:17.520 --> 01:45:19.960 But I think those are both better than like ultimate 2244 01:45:20.039 --> 01:45:22.840 chains that are like everywhere of the same things and 2245 01:45:23.119 --> 01:45:27.039 have harmed their workers and now there's protests. 2246 01:45:26.600 --> 01:45:29.800 Even putting even putting principles aside. I don't think Starbucks 2247 01:45:29.840 --> 01:45:31.399 makes good coffee. 2248 01:45:31.840 --> 01:45:36.680 Yeah, workers, people, it's all about the coffee days. Yeah, 2249 01:45:36.960 --> 01:45:38.479 I want that coffee. 2250 01:45:38.520 --> 01:45:41.199 Good. Fucking robots can make my coffee. It's got a 2251 01:45:41.239 --> 01:45:44.279 taste good. I don't give a fuck about the employment. 2252 01:45:44.359 --> 01:45:45.479 I was joking. It goes to like. 2253 01:45:45.399 --> 01:45:46.800 Beer and liquor and stuff too. It's like, you know, 2254 01:45:46.800 --> 01:45:48.960 I just showed you we got an email from NORDIAUS Minneapolis. 2255 01:45:48.960 --> 01:45:50.800 It's literally I'm drinking grain Belt right now. 2256 01:45:50.880 --> 01:45:52.079 Like I I think that's it. 2257 01:45:52.520 --> 01:45:55.319 What a local What a local bro you are? 2258 01:45:55.760 --> 01:46:00.079 You know there's local distilleries and stuff like that, and 2259 01:46:00.159 --> 01:46:01.640 I'm not even like it's not even a tasting. I 2260 01:46:01.640 --> 01:46:03.880 don't have the palette necessarily for like, I couldn't tell 2261 01:46:03.880 --> 01:46:06.319 you the differences carily between a nord East and some 2262 01:46:06.640 --> 01:46:08.640 chain beer who chains not the word, but you know, 2263 01:46:08.680 --> 01:46:09.680 like a big national brand. 2264 01:46:10.039 --> 01:46:10.840 I just I don't know. 2265 01:46:10.880 --> 01:46:11.800 I'm gonna buy a beer. 2266 01:46:12.439 --> 01:46:14.479 This is my home. I'd like to buy a local one, 2267 01:46:14.479 --> 01:46:17.680 you know. Yeah, don't fucking drink Camus or the Prisoner. 2268 01:46:17.760 --> 01:46:20.439 You could spend less money on better wine from smaller 2269 01:46:20.479 --> 01:46:23.159 producers who are breaking their backs to make better wine, 2270 01:46:23.159 --> 01:46:26.640 you fucos. I would like. There are people in the 2271 01:46:26.680 --> 01:46:29.800 video game industry, developers of games that I love, who 2272 01:46:29.840 --> 01:46:31.760 are like, oh my god, I love Camus. I'm like, Okay, 2273 01:46:31.760 --> 01:46:33.680 if you like it, then like it, but also don't 2274 01:46:33.680 --> 01:46:35.680 act like it's this cool little niche thing. It's that 2275 01:46:35.840 --> 01:46:40.800 is the like fucking McDonald's of Napa cab. I'm venting 2276 01:46:40.800 --> 01:46:42.239 about something very specifically. 2277 01:46:42.680 --> 01:46:44.319 How much is it? Is it expensive? 2278 01:46:44.479 --> 01:46:46.880 Like sixty bucks for their entry level wine and you're 2279 01:46:46.880 --> 01:46:49.439 spending you could spend less money out. Oh, it's so 2280 01:46:49.479 --> 01:46:50.039 annoying to me. 2281 01:46:50.119 --> 01:46:52.680 Oh you know, you know who else I know likes 2282 01:46:52.680 --> 01:46:54.680 to drink locally. It's a it's Mike Manati. 2283 01:46:54.800 --> 01:46:57.439 I'm getting fucking ad. 2284 01:47:01.880 --> 01:47:06.159 Is not the one you meant to press? 2285 01:47:06.279 --> 01:47:06.840 Local place? 2286 01:47:06.920 --> 01:47:09.399 That's where did I send you? We're getting a we 2287 01:47:09.479 --> 01:47:11.600 might be getting Rainforest Cafe in my neighborhood. 2288 01:47:11.720 --> 01:47:12.960 Oh god, he'll be there. 2289 01:47:13.479 --> 01:47:16.039 It used to be this fucking oh speaking of a 2290 01:47:16.039 --> 01:47:18.520 bridge too far. I'm so fucking happy the place that 2291 01:47:18.680 --> 01:47:22.000 shut down, and it technically was a local business, but 2292 01:47:22.079 --> 01:47:25.680 like they lost their soul. They would sell a thousand 2293 01:47:25.800 --> 01:47:30.479 dollars version of their Buffalo Wings with quote unquote gold 2294 01:47:30.520 --> 01:47:33.199 flakes on them as this like Instagram flex and they 2295 01:47:33.239 --> 01:47:37.319 shut down and from funk off with that stupid ship. 2296 01:47:37.640 --> 01:47:40.399 Go fucking be a plague somewhere else. I don't want 2297 01:47:40.439 --> 01:47:43.199 you here. We're getting Rainforest Cafe, which is. 2298 01:47:43.239 --> 01:47:45.920 Which do you want that they're gonna have They're gonna 2299 01:47:45.920 --> 01:47:46.840 have gold flakes. 2300 01:47:48.319 --> 01:47:57.560 Wait, wait, Rainforest Cafe right right actually doing it and 2301 01:47:57.600 --> 01:48:00.000 then he then he then I have it on him. 2302 01:48:00.439 --> 01:48:01.439 I think that's a good idea. 2303 01:48:02.079 --> 01:48:04.359 Yeah, I'll never be allowed back and do that. 2304 01:48:04.680 --> 01:48:06.600 Yeah. 2305 01:48:06.800 --> 01:48:11.199 The going back to the question, I just wanted to say, like, 2306 01:48:11.279 --> 01:48:14.439 one of the things that I felt like became kind 2307 01:48:14.479 --> 01:48:17.479 of notorious and people still still messaging me about it 2308 01:48:17.520 --> 01:48:21.720 is my hatred of Skyline Chili and that is my 2309 01:48:21.960 --> 01:48:24.199 bridge too far and I won't eat that. I think 2310 01:48:24.239 --> 01:48:29.119 it's disgusting and I don't want noodles with chili and 2311 01:48:30.880 --> 01:48:33.880 weird amounts of cheese on it. The other one that 2312 01:48:33.920 --> 01:48:38.319 I would always say is the seafood sub from Subway 2313 01:48:38.920 --> 01:48:39.359 that is. 2314 01:48:39.640 --> 01:48:39.960 Kind of. 2315 01:48:41.600 --> 01:48:44.800 Oh, it's gross. I used to work there, it was 2316 01:48:44.840 --> 01:48:47.279 my first job, so I used to make it. And 2317 01:48:47.520 --> 01:48:54.159 it is a vat of mayonnaise and a baggie of seafood, 2318 01:48:54.680 --> 01:48:58.560 and I truly think that it is manufactured seafood, Like 2319 01:48:58.800 --> 01:49:01.920 I don't think it's actual real fish or anything. It's 2320 01:49:02.000 --> 01:49:03.680 just particles from the sea. 2321 01:49:04.800 --> 01:49:06.640 Yeah, I don't want that. I will say, actually brings 2322 01:49:06.680 --> 01:49:08.800 too far from me is chicken McNuggets. I don't like 2323 01:49:09.600 --> 01:49:13.520 you to hell, and that's not I don't care what 2324 01:49:13.520 --> 01:49:15.720 they're made of or what they're not made of. I actually, 2325 01:49:15.920 --> 01:49:18.079 when I bite into them, it's gross to me. It 2326 01:49:18.159 --> 01:49:21.880 tastes like glue inside of like that's been fried. I 2327 01:49:22.199 --> 01:49:24.880 don't care. I'm much for eating things that aren't actually chicken. 2328 01:49:25.039 --> 01:49:29.000 I don't like McNuggets, Wendy's chicken nuggets. I will boof 2329 01:49:29.359 --> 01:49:32.279 day in and day out. I love that shit. I 2330 01:49:32.359 --> 01:49:33.479 love Wendy's. 2331 01:49:33.159 --> 01:49:35.279 Nuggets basically McNuggets. 2332 01:49:35.600 --> 01:49:40.039 I don't like McNugget standard bearer, standard bearer of Like, 2333 01:49:40.279 --> 01:49:42.640 I need something in my stomach, so I'm gonna shove 2334 01:49:42.680 --> 01:49:47.840 this fucking dog food into me. Yeah right, dude, dude, 2335 01:49:47.840 --> 01:49:50.239 I used to get Wendy's chili when I was hungover. 2336 01:49:50.439 --> 01:49:54.920 I will. I'm not above fast food on principle, but 2337 01:49:55.199 --> 01:50:00.960 chicken McNuggets are like if you're with people with actual palettes. 2338 01:50:01.279 --> 01:50:08.119 Oh me, they're the lowest rung on the fast cuisine. 2339 01:50:10.039 --> 01:50:10.520 I hate that. 2340 01:50:10.680 --> 01:50:13.760 Wait, McDonald's doesn't fast was Oh I think you're saying 2341 01:50:13.800 --> 01:50:16.720 fast casual. Okay, sorry, now there straight up fast food, 2342 01:50:16.800 --> 01:50:17.159 all right? 2343 01:50:17.800 --> 01:50:18.239 Correct? 2344 01:50:18.359 --> 01:50:21.479 I know, but like I I will say, they they 2345 01:50:21.800 --> 01:50:22.359 went down. 2346 01:50:22.960 --> 01:50:26.159 I still sometimes like crave Big Max. 2347 01:50:26.640 --> 01:50:28.079 I've had one. Big Mac in my life. 2348 01:50:28.279 --> 01:50:30.359 I love them really Yeah. 2349 01:50:30.359 --> 01:50:32.479 I was always the standard McDonald's orders. 2350 01:50:33.520 --> 01:50:39.199 I love them, the plain quarter pounder and cheese, biggest 2351 01:50:39.199 --> 01:50:42.800 for all you got ten piece nugget, barbecue sauce and 2352 01:50:42.880 --> 01:50:43.680 ramch dicho. 2353 01:50:43.840 --> 01:50:49.279 Okay wow except for the nuggets. Yeah, tenders rather. 2354 01:50:49.159 --> 01:50:52.039 Mind the nuggets. But I'm a I'm a dollar menu girl. 2355 01:50:52.119 --> 01:50:55.079 So it's it's double double burger. What was it called 2356 01:50:55.119 --> 01:50:55.960 the mc double. 2357 01:50:56.159 --> 01:50:59.119 Specific double taper is mcdouble. 2358 01:50:58.800 --> 01:51:01.359 Double cheeburger isn't on the doll menu. MC double is 2359 01:51:01.600 --> 01:51:04.520 a double on the mcduble is two patty's one cheese. 2360 01:51:04.800 --> 01:51:07.800 A double cheeseburger is not on the dollar menu. 2361 01:51:08.439 --> 01:51:09.960 I need a double cheese. 2362 01:51:10.239 --> 01:51:14.000 I understand, but it's not a Then you're spending lots 2363 01:51:14.039 --> 01:51:21.720 of money, lots and over here. Who cares slap another 2364 01:51:21.840 --> 01:51:28.439 cheese on there? And then the chicken alek, Yeah, that 2365 01:51:28.479 --> 01:51:30.319 he's that he begged for. 2366 01:51:30.600 --> 01:51:35.560 Please please tell me you love me? The fuck it works. 2367 01:51:37.039 --> 01:51:43.119 I get here and I get ship done. No, Yeah, 2368 01:51:43.159 --> 01:51:45.319 there's not really like a bridge too far though from. 2369 01:51:45.199 --> 01:51:48.880 Me sounds like there is. And it's the McNugget they went. 2370 01:51:48.880 --> 01:51:50.920 Down and just don't like that's not a principal thing. 2371 01:51:50.960 --> 01:51:53.680 I definitely would not eat that seafood conglomerate. 2372 01:51:53.720 --> 01:51:55.680 You just mentioned they used to have dark meat in 2373 01:51:55.680 --> 01:51:58.279 the nuggets and they stopped that like fifteen years ago, 2374 01:51:58.359 --> 01:52:00.640 and that has been a hit in quality. I miss those, 2375 01:52:00.680 --> 01:52:02.319 but they're still great. 2376 01:52:03.319 --> 01:52:07.000 Yeah, I really preferred when it was just the innards 2377 01:52:07.039 --> 01:52:10.640 and the the holes of the chicken. 2378 01:52:10.640 --> 01:52:12.720 I eat nuggets. I like, literally, it's not even like 2379 01:52:12.760 --> 01:52:14.560 crossing my mind that it used to be a chicken. 2380 01:52:15.279 --> 01:52:19.119 No again, I'm not saying that. I'm well aware that 2381 01:52:19.199 --> 01:52:21.680 like Wendy's and Burger King all these places, there's a 2382 01:52:21.760 --> 01:52:24.039 lot of artificial shit in there. I'm not saying I 2383 01:52:24.119 --> 01:52:26.920 dislike make nuggets because they're not actually chicken. 2384 01:52:27.039 --> 01:52:31.720 But no, no, no, no, no, no no, I'm not 2385 01:52:31.800 --> 01:52:34.880 more it's stupid merry. I'm stupid because like I will 2386 01:52:34.920 --> 01:52:38.680 eat a boneless, skinless chicken breast and it won't register 2387 01:52:38.760 --> 01:52:40.640 to me that that's actually used to be a chicken. 2388 01:52:40.880 --> 01:52:43.880 Like I think we all do that to some extent, 2389 01:52:43.920 --> 01:52:48.119 to kind of like to make it more mentally palatable 2390 01:52:48.199 --> 01:52:51.039 that we are eating an animal. It's hard a lot 2391 01:52:51.079 --> 01:52:51.840 of chicken. 2392 01:52:51.960 --> 01:52:55.880 But it's so manufactured in the nugget, like you don't 2393 01:52:55.920 --> 01:52:59.880 even see the the like meat. 2394 01:53:00.800 --> 01:53:05.359 It's well where it's not real beef in the crunch traps, 2395 01:53:05.359 --> 01:53:07.880 and I fucking love crunch traps. It has nothing to 2396 01:53:07.920 --> 01:53:10.640 do with the providence of the meat. I just don't 2397 01:53:10.680 --> 01:53:16.279 find the texture or the taste of McNuggets good a palette. Yeah, 2398 01:53:16.439 --> 01:53:18.960 maybe I don't. Maybe I'm just misleading myself with my 2399 01:53:19.520 --> 01:53:23.079 chetons and my reasonings like I don't. Maybe I don't 2400 01:53:23.079 --> 01:53:23.279 know what? 2401 01:53:23.239 --> 01:53:26.680 Then your own voice to mock yourself about the ones. 2402 01:53:28.800 --> 01:53:33.079 Off drying from the sar. That'd be great. Please turn 2403 01:53:33.119 --> 01:53:40.880 into a Dracula, becoming weirder the more I talk. All right, well, 2404 01:53:40.880 --> 01:53:48.600 thank you Lucas, Hello, Daniel, Mary and Michael. What is 2405 01:53:48.640 --> 01:53:50.399 the best nickname? Oh? I get it. What's the best 2406 01:53:50.479 --> 01:53:53.279 nickname you've ever encountered? I work with a bloke nicknamed 2407 01:53:53.319 --> 01:53:58.119 Pothole because everyone tries to avoid him. It's good. There 2408 01:53:58.199 --> 01:54:04.239 is lots of love. Simon from Pith, Australia. I uh I. 2409 01:54:04.279 --> 01:54:05.880 There was a night in college we got back to 2410 01:54:05.880 --> 01:54:07.800 the dorms after the bars and we were all like 2411 01:54:08.000 --> 01:54:10.439 completely shit hammered and just like sitting around the lobby 2412 01:54:10.840 --> 01:54:12.439 and it was with a guy named Ben and a 2413 01:54:12.439 --> 01:54:15.359 guy named Brian and Brian. For some reason, he was 2414 01:54:15.399 --> 01:54:17.680 drunk enough to think it was funny to keep be like, oh, Ben, 2415 01:54:17.960 --> 01:54:21.239 Ben the hen, Ben the hen, and he just wouldn't 2416 01:54:21.239 --> 01:54:23.960 stop saying Ben the hen, and Ben was getting annoyed. 2417 01:54:24.000 --> 01:54:25.960 He's like, God, I wish your name rhymed was something 2418 01:54:26.000 --> 01:54:28.039 like stupid, Like I wish your name was like Lenas, 2419 01:54:28.720 --> 01:54:32.079 And we started calling him Lenas, and it stuck so 2420 01:54:32.399 --> 01:54:36.159 fucking hard that in future years I knew this guy 2421 01:54:36.199 --> 01:54:38.880 all through college. People didn't even know his name was Brian. 2422 01:54:41.680 --> 01:54:45.119 His fucking dad would come to visit and call him Lenis. 2423 01:54:45.600 --> 01:54:52.039 Liked funny, that's Lenis. Yeah, that's that's the dad. Thing's crazy, 2424 01:54:52.039 --> 01:54:53.279 I was Gonnay. I feel like it's the mark of 2425 01:54:53.359 --> 01:54:56.319 a good nickname that people you actually have to either 2426 01:54:56.479 --> 01:54:58.840 rack your brain or truly forget what their name is. Well, 2427 01:54:58.960 --> 01:55:00.840 people would meet him and be like Linas, what where's 2428 01:55:00.840 --> 01:55:02.840 that from? I've never heard that name, and it's like, no, 2429 01:55:03.000 --> 01:55:04.319 it's just because it rhymed with venis. 2430 01:55:04.800 --> 01:55:07.399 Yeah, my good friend here. I don't actually use this like, 2431 01:55:08.359 --> 01:55:11.159 it's more of a joke nickname that we use in 2432 01:55:11.239 --> 01:55:14.199 like text chats, not to each other's face, but like, uh, 2433 01:55:14.680 --> 01:55:17.039 I think you guys both met him at one point 2434 01:55:17.079 --> 01:55:19.960 or another. Uh. He's my Australian friend, so we and 2435 01:55:20.039 --> 01:55:22.079 he's from outside Sydney in the suburbs, so we call 2436 01:55:22.159 --> 01:55:25.079 him Bogan sometimes. But that's not like an actual like 2437 01:55:26.039 --> 01:55:32.520 one I use regularly. I can't even remember the last 2438 01:55:32.560 --> 01:55:35.159 time I had like a truly good nick we had. 2439 01:55:35.319 --> 01:55:37.760 We had a friend growing up when we were young. 2440 01:55:38.680 --> 01:55:41.159 His name was Aman like e A M O N N. 2441 01:55:42.239 --> 01:55:44.880 I believe it was Irish something like that, which is 2442 01:55:44.920 --> 01:55:46.880 a cool name. Now that he's older, he goes by that. 2443 01:55:47.039 --> 01:55:51.079 But I remember he was short for our friend group, 2444 01:55:51.159 --> 01:55:54.439 and I think just in general, and I remember people 2445 01:55:54.720 --> 01:55:58.560 started calling him pooch and like the whole high school started. 2446 01:55:59.159 --> 01:56:01.239 And I don't I don't think he didn't dislike it, 2447 01:56:01.359 --> 01:56:05.680 like he embraced it. But I remember at one point 2448 01:56:05.720 --> 01:56:08.119 I also I forgot what his first name was for 2449 01:56:08.319 --> 01:56:10.199 a few days until somebody remind me. 2450 01:56:13.800 --> 01:56:17.159 Isn't too bad, you guys have. 2451 01:56:18.920 --> 01:56:19.039 Uh. 2452 01:56:19.640 --> 01:56:22.359 My stepdad's name was Dan, and so I called him 2453 01:56:22.399 --> 01:56:25.159 Big Dan, and he called me Junior, so he would call. 2454 01:56:25.159 --> 01:56:29.479 Me Junior Junior. That's cute. My dad called me mayor bear. 2455 01:56:30.960 --> 01:56:34.239 Yeah, I go some of the my dad and my 2456 01:56:34.640 --> 01:56:37.840 some of my uncles still call me Mick the Irish family. 2457 01:56:37.960 --> 01:56:41.880 But my sister still to this day, I believe it's 2458 01:56:41.920 --> 01:56:45.800 from the Goonies. She still calls me chunk. Like I 2459 01:56:45.920 --> 01:56:47.760 don't know how. I forget how it started. Oh, he 2460 01:56:47.840 --> 01:56:52.600 does the dance in the movie with the stomach, the 2461 01:56:52.640 --> 01:56:54.880 truffle shuffle, Come on the truffle shuffle. 2462 01:56:54.920 --> 01:56:56.600 Yeah, what do you mean you haven't seen The Goonies? 2463 01:56:56.720 --> 01:56:59.960 Dan, interesting? That seems like a movie you would have seen. 2464 01:57:00.239 --> 01:57:00.640 Mm hmm. 2465 01:57:01.920 --> 01:57:03.199 It's transformative. 2466 01:57:03.520 --> 01:57:04.279 I remember thinking of it. 2467 01:57:04.399 --> 01:57:06.319 I used to always think it was like a Grimlins thing, 2468 01:57:06.960 --> 01:57:08.640 and I was like, oh, I like Grimlins because it 2469 01:57:08.720 --> 01:57:10.920 sounds like Grimlins. And then I would like see the 2470 01:57:11.000 --> 01:57:13.039 cover of the VHS and I'd be like, it seems 2471 01:57:13.319 --> 01:57:15.239 about kids I don't like, and I just wouldn't watch. 2472 01:57:15.239 --> 01:57:18.920 It's better. It's better than the Grimlins. It's such a 2473 01:57:19.000 --> 01:57:19.560 good story. 2474 01:57:20.680 --> 01:57:22.760 You gotta watch watch both of them and then compare. 2475 01:57:22.880 --> 01:57:25.720 Okay, okay, yeah, I would really like to see on 2476 01:57:25.800 --> 01:57:26.479 your bracket. 2477 01:57:27.600 --> 01:57:29.439 I think Grimlins too. The new batage is going to 2478 01:57:29.479 --> 01:57:31.079 be just about anything I. 2479 01:57:31.159 --> 01:57:35.119 Don't think that's I mean, now we're back to palettes, 2480 01:57:35.159 --> 01:57:35.439 are we. 2481 01:57:35.880 --> 01:57:37.880 Yeah, we all got our own. 2482 01:57:38.920 --> 01:57:43.960 My favorite evening is some chicken nuggets and Grimlins too. 2483 01:57:44.119 --> 01:57:46.920 That sounds like a fucking dream. That sounds like half 2484 01:57:46.920 --> 01:57:48.920 of sounds like something I've done many times in my life. 2485 01:57:50.760 --> 01:57:51.199 Tuesday. 2486 01:57:51.680 --> 01:57:53.479 Not to get off topic, well, I mean, I guess 2487 01:57:53.520 --> 01:57:55.319 we do that sometimes. But the first, the only time 2488 01:57:55.359 --> 01:57:59.359 I've ever seen Gremlins two was I had a I 2489 01:57:59.439 --> 01:58:03.319 had a train from here up to Syracuse and Dan 2490 01:58:03.520 --> 01:58:05.920 was still living in New York. This is before I 2491 01:58:06.199 --> 01:58:09.439 moved back, and I was visiting from San Francisco, and 2492 01:58:09.680 --> 01:58:12.920 I went hung out with Dan and Bianca, and then 2493 01:58:13.079 --> 01:58:17.079 Bianca had gone to bed, and it was probably by 2494 01:58:17.119 --> 01:58:20.359 this point one am, and my train was at six 2495 01:58:20.439 --> 01:58:24.680 am out of Penn Station the next morning or later 2496 01:58:24.800 --> 01:58:27.560 that morning. So instead of getting any sleep at all, 2497 01:58:28.159 --> 01:58:30.720 dance like you could just like stay up and watch 2498 01:58:30.800 --> 01:58:34.800 Gremlins two, like you start heading down to the train, like, okay, 2499 01:58:34.840 --> 01:58:38.039 it sounds great. Of course, I keep drinking while I'm 2500 01:58:38.039 --> 01:58:40.880 watching Gremlins two, So it's by the time the movie 2501 01:58:40.920 --> 01:58:43.600 I watched that by the time the movie ends, and 2502 01:58:43.720 --> 01:58:46.399 I'm just like still blown back into my seat from 2503 01:58:46.439 --> 01:58:49.439 the awesomeness I just saw. I'm hammered and I have 2504 01:58:49.560 --> 01:58:51.239 to get down to Penn Station to get on a 2505 01:58:51.319 --> 01:58:53.319 train and get upstate. 2506 01:58:53.520 --> 01:58:55.079 We also watched Rocky four that night. 2507 01:58:55.640 --> 01:58:59.079 I watched Rocky four. Oh that's what it was. I 2508 01:58:59.159 --> 01:59:01.560 watched Gremlins two order and then I was like, okay, well, 2509 01:59:01.600 --> 01:59:04.239 my train's in like four hours, and you're like, you 2510 01:59:04.279 --> 01:59:05.600 could just watch Rocky four. 2511 01:59:07.680 --> 01:59:09.439 Gremlins two, Rocky Ford Train. 2512 01:59:10.359 --> 01:59:15.920 Before Gremlins two, we had watched John Travolta as John Gotti. 2513 01:59:16.079 --> 01:59:16.439 Oh, go. 2514 01:59:18.439 --> 01:59:21.119 Watch Gotti recorded your podcast. 2515 01:59:21.039 --> 01:59:23.640 And we want to like hell trifecta. 2516 01:59:24.840 --> 01:59:25.039 Fun. 2517 01:59:25.399 --> 01:59:27.159 Well, Gott he was off, Gott, he was tough. 2518 01:59:27.399 --> 01:59:30.920 I've watched it again since then. It's unbelievably bad. Why well, 2519 01:59:31.079 --> 01:59:32.920 I just did like a stream watch along of it. 2520 01:59:33.079 --> 01:59:35.760 Oh interesting, I had to show back. I like, I 2521 01:59:35.960 --> 01:59:39.199 like making people watch insane movies, and stream is a 2522 01:59:39.239 --> 01:59:39.720 good way to do. 2523 01:59:41.960 --> 01:59:44.119 We got oh we wait, we got a recommendation of 2524 01:59:44.359 --> 01:59:48.039 a movie in the emails. I don't know if I 2525 01:59:48.079 --> 01:59:49.560 could find it quick enough where there won't be a 2526 01:59:49.600 --> 01:59:54.279 bunch of dretit on horror. Maybe the horror horror movies. 2527 01:59:54.760 --> 02:00:07.279 Yes it, Simon said, Mary, if you haven't seen Influencers, No, no, no, sorry, different, 2528 02:00:08.039 --> 02:00:08.520 What is it. 2529 02:00:13.840 --> 02:00:18.680 You read? I'm gonna say something, Dan, I think this 2530 02:00:18.800 --> 02:00:22.600 was the last episode you told me to watch, Annette. Yes, 2531 02:00:24.239 --> 02:00:26.600 here are my messages to Dan in real time. Yes, 2532 02:00:28.600 --> 02:00:35.960 Mary starting a net. I have been told not to fart, Dan, Hell? Yes, Mary? 2533 02:00:36.960 --> 02:00:39.680 Oh fuck? Is this a musical? Dan? 2534 02:00:39.960 --> 02:00:40.920 Ha ha ha ha ha ha. 2535 02:00:41.359 --> 02:00:47.800 Who can say, Mary? It can't be this the whole time, Mary, 2536 02:00:48.680 --> 02:00:55.199 They keep singing, Dan, I'm so happy for you. Mary. 2537 02:00:56.359 --> 02:01:00.359 Is the joke that you convinced me to watch this? Dan? No, 2538 02:01:00.720 --> 02:01:04.000 I've watched this seven times. It was around that time 2539 02:01:05.079 --> 02:01:05.960 that I turned this off. 2540 02:01:06.479 --> 02:01:08.920 Okay, I was gonna say the text stopped at a 2541 02:01:09.000 --> 02:01:09.600 certain point. 2542 02:01:10.079 --> 02:01:11.840 Did you even I can't get through this shit. 2543 02:01:13.359 --> 02:01:16.640 I'm telling you it's you got to keep going. No you, 2544 02:01:17.000 --> 02:01:18.359 I'm telling it goes places. 2545 02:01:19.119 --> 02:01:20.239 It's miserable. 2546 02:01:21.560 --> 02:01:23.000 It was when I watched it the first time, I 2547 02:01:23.039 --> 02:01:24.880 thought it was the worst movie I've ever seen, and 2548 02:01:25.039 --> 02:01:26.680 Balk and I kept looking at each other and like 2549 02:01:26.800 --> 02:01:28.359 we pause to go to the bathroom and be like, oh, 2550 02:01:28.399 --> 02:01:29.479 we're not gonna be able to make it through the 2551 02:01:29.520 --> 02:01:31.840 rest of this. We've been there, Mary, We've been where 2552 02:01:31.880 --> 02:01:32.159 you are. 2553 02:01:32.359 --> 02:01:35.399 Torture. It's torture. It was twenty minutes of torture. 2554 02:01:35.880 --> 02:01:41.239 You haven't even gotten to the baby, Mary, Mary, Mary, Mary, 2555 02:01:42.319 --> 02:01:45.720 promise me no, maybe tonight. You did twenty minutes last week, 2556 02:01:45.720 --> 02:01:46.840 we did twenty minutes at a time. 2557 02:01:48.279 --> 02:01:51.000 It's it's telling marble. I hated it. 2558 02:01:52.640 --> 02:01:54.640 I never said it was like great or you're gonna 2559 02:01:54.680 --> 02:01:56.359 love it. I'm saying you need to watch it. 2560 02:01:57.520 --> 02:02:01.079 I think you're fucking with me. You like it miserable. 2561 02:02:01.560 --> 02:02:02.359 I don't want to watch it. 2562 02:02:02.479 --> 02:02:05.000 I'm not fucking with you. Do another twenty at a time. 2563 02:02:05.359 --> 02:02:07.960 I don't want to. It's shit. 2564 02:02:09.640 --> 02:02:10.359 I thought so too. 2565 02:02:11.239 --> 02:02:11.920 I thought so too. 2566 02:02:12.359 --> 02:02:13.079 I don't like it. 2567 02:02:14.039 --> 02:02:16.159 What do you mean another twenty tonight and text me. 2568 02:02:17.199 --> 02:02:22.319 I have a movie recommendation from Brian maybe Portland. He said, 2569 02:02:22.359 --> 02:02:24.159 I think Mary and Mike would like it as well. 2570 02:02:25.039 --> 02:02:27.560 It's a horror movie recommendation for Dan. I think Mike 2571 02:02:27.600 --> 02:02:29.159 and Mary would like it as well. It's called The 2572 02:02:29.279 --> 02:02:31.720 Monkey from twenty oh oh. 2573 02:02:31.800 --> 02:02:32.399 I've heard about that. 2574 02:02:32.479 --> 02:02:34.359 The whole thing is people dying in hilarious ways. 2575 02:02:34.760 --> 02:02:38.920 It is it's kind of like a final Destination, but 2576 02:02:39.319 --> 02:02:44.439 zero seriousness. According according to Brian, it's zero seriousness. And 2577 02:02:44.479 --> 02:02:47.520 I would also add zero brain cells because like in 2578 02:02:48.000 --> 02:02:51.720 Final Destination, they will like allude to what might happen, 2579 02:02:52.079 --> 02:02:53.720 you know, like you might see it in the reflection 2580 02:02:53.840 --> 02:02:55.920 of a window and you'd be like, oh my gosh, 2581 02:02:56.720 --> 02:03:00.399 like it's gonna be the sign. It's gonna fall. And 2582 02:03:00.479 --> 02:03:03.800 then the sign falls and it starts like a Goldberg 2583 02:03:03.960 --> 02:03:06.359 machine of death that like cascades into their death. And 2584 02:03:06.399 --> 02:03:11.720 it's like it's interesting sequence the monkeys like it's nonsense. 2585 02:03:12.399 --> 02:03:16.000 It's so stupid. I will I will admit with the 2586 02:03:16.840 --> 02:03:19.640 with this person like it's good old fashioned death fun. 2587 02:03:20.239 --> 02:03:21.720 But the whole time when I was watching it, I 2588 02:03:21.840 --> 02:03:24.079 was like, this is this is such a silly way 2589 02:03:24.159 --> 02:03:27.199 to die, where like nothing makes sense. If someone's in 2590 02:03:27.279 --> 02:03:29.279 a pool and you'll be like, oh, this person's gonna 2591 02:03:29.279 --> 02:03:33.239 get like electrocuted or something. Something so stupid unnecessarily will 2592 02:03:33.239 --> 02:03:37.000 also happen to them just because they're like they're like actually, 2593 02:03:37.199 --> 02:03:39.239 like you know, someone's gonna come in and stab them 2594 02:03:39.239 --> 02:03:40.600 at the end, and it's just like fuck you, Like 2595 02:03:40.720 --> 02:03:43.199 nothing makes sense in this movie. It's it's a it's 2596 02:03:43.239 --> 02:03:45.039 a total joke of a film, but it is very 2597 02:03:45.119 --> 02:03:46.199 fun to watch people die. 2598 02:03:47.479 --> 02:03:49.239 I think got time for all these joke movies, but 2599 02:03:49.640 --> 02:03:50.239 not cinema. 2600 02:03:50.680 --> 02:03:53.279 That movie is garbage. Mike, have you seen it? 2601 02:03:53.760 --> 02:03:58.039 Yeah? Do you think? Do you think? You keep going? Yes, 2602 02:04:00.199 --> 02:04:05.079 you liar, We're with you. I like, like the next 2603 02:04:05.159 --> 02:04:06.600 day after it was done, and I was thinking, yeah 2604 02:04:06.600 --> 02:04:06.840 about it. 2605 02:04:07.000 --> 02:04:08.760 Yeah, No, it stays in your head a bit. 2606 02:04:08.840 --> 02:04:11.439 Like you're both liars, you're fucking with me. 2607 02:04:13.840 --> 02:04:16.039 It went from a half start of rocks until like 2608 02:04:16.239 --> 02:04:18.119 four in defense. 2609 02:04:18.199 --> 02:04:20.279 He did talk about it like a year ago on 2610 02:04:20.439 --> 02:04:24.159 the show before, so like this is this is still track. 2611 02:04:24.239 --> 02:04:26.439 It's a musical that makes no sense. 2612 02:04:26.960 --> 02:04:28.680 Give it if you haven't got to the baby. 2613 02:04:29.000 --> 02:04:33.479 They keep singing how they're feeling, I know, give me. 2614 02:04:33.439 --> 02:04:34.680 Another twenty No. 2615 02:04:39.800 --> 02:04:42.479 Oh, I thought of one more nickname. When I was young. Uh, 2616 02:04:42.720 --> 02:04:45.560 there's a kid in my friend's neighborhood who was like 2617 02:04:45.800 --> 02:04:50.159 the His family had moved there from I don't remember, 2618 02:04:50.399 --> 02:04:53.119 like Florida or somewhere, and they had a lot of 2619 02:04:53.199 --> 02:04:56.479 money and he was like immediately looking down on us 2620 02:04:56.560 --> 02:04:59.079 for not and uh so we didn't. So I don't 2621 02:04:59.079 --> 02:05:01.399 feel bad about this. But his name was I'm a 2622 02:05:01.520 --> 02:05:06.199 Verdi and uh we my friend came up with it 2623 02:05:06.359 --> 02:05:09.720 and we sorted calling him I'm a virgin and just 2624 02:05:10.279 --> 02:05:14.199 that he was just an elitist dick. It was like 2625 02:05:14.279 --> 02:05:17.880 a fIF fucking fourteen year old like this being like 2626 02:05:17.880 --> 02:05:21.079 an elitist prick about having more money than everybody's. I 2627 02:05:21.119 --> 02:05:23.760 can't stand living here. Like my old neighborhood had a 2628 02:05:23.880 --> 02:05:28.359 gate insecurity. I was like, oh my god, my friend 2629 02:05:28.439 --> 02:05:32.079 was brilliant. I still don't even remember, like I forgot 2630 02:05:32.119 --> 02:05:36.800 what his real name was for a bit, but one 2631 02:05:36.960 --> 02:05:43.960 was good. Thank you for writing in tonight, Lucas, Thomas 2632 02:05:44.119 --> 02:05:48.439 and Simon. That's our show, fire Escape Cast at gmail 2633 02:05:48.439 --> 02:05:50.520 dot com. Keep him coming, stock us up for twenty 2634 02:05:50.560 --> 02:05:55.760 twenty six. We might be reading him. Yes, if you're 2635 02:05:55.800 --> 02:06:00.640 not a patron, you can go get ad for versions 2636 02:06:00.840 --> 02:06:04.239 of our audio episodes. You can get the video versions 2637 02:06:04.720 --> 02:06:07.159 as well a certain tier. You can also get access 2638 02:06:07.279 --> 02:06:09.920 to our bonus videos, which we do when we can 2639 02:06:10.439 --> 02:06:12.159 a lot of co op videos we have there, some 2640 02:06:12.279 --> 02:06:15.520 of them with our producer Jake. You can also go 2641 02:06:15.680 --> 02:06:19.640 get merch at fire Escape merch dot com, Deep dish 2642 02:06:19.720 --> 02:06:21.800 pussy dot com, or bring to our patron page if 2643 02:06:21.800 --> 02:06:23.560 you want to subscribe through there. That's always a fun 2644 02:06:24.039 --> 02:06:28.760 roundabout way to do it. We have a show with 2645 02:06:29.079 --> 02:06:31.560 Nextlander called Mike and Vinnie Save the World. You get 2646 02:06:31.560 --> 02:06:34.880 access to that as well. Vinnie Caravella from Nextlander, who 2647 02:06:34.960 --> 02:06:36.640 many of you know, and if you don't, you should. 2648 02:06:37.159 --> 02:06:40.359 We play through a co op campaign of Total ward 2649 02:06:40.359 --> 02:06:43.520 warm Er three believe. We're on episode like eighteen for that, 2650 02:06:44.279 --> 02:06:46.159 and that's biweekly. It's in our off weeks when we 2651 02:06:46.199 --> 02:06:49.199 don't have a new full episode of the show. And 2652 02:06:49.279 --> 02:06:51.560 then you can also go become a patron for next 2653 02:06:51.640 --> 02:06:54.159 Lander if you're not already where we're doing an evil 2654 02:06:54.600 --> 02:06:57.680 campaign for them, but also co op between Vinye and 2655 02:06:57.720 --> 02:07:01.359 I and that's similarly on. At episode eighteen or twenty 2656 02:07:01.479 --> 02:07:05.079 or something like that, we'll have a new one, or 2657 02:07:05.199 --> 02:07:07.560 rather next Lander will have a new episode on THEIRS 2658 02:07:07.640 --> 02:07:09.399 this week. If you're listening to this one, it's out, 2659 02:07:09.439 --> 02:07:11.560 and then we'll have one next week. Dan, what do 2660 02:07:11.600 --> 02:07:12.640 you have going on in the meantime? 2661 02:07:13.159 --> 02:07:15.399 Guynbomb dot com A lot of fun stuff going on 2662 02:07:15.479 --> 02:07:17.119 over there. We got some new stuff will be announced 2663 02:07:17.159 --> 02:07:21.760 in the near future. Blake Club is continuing to kill It, BombCast, 2664 02:07:21.880 --> 02:07:23.920 all that, all the usual, just the follow Giant Bomb 2665 02:07:24.039 --> 02:07:25.560 on socials and YouTube. 2666 02:07:26.279 --> 02:07:29.920 Mary, what about you, I'm streaming every Monday on Twitch 2667 02:07:30.359 --> 02:07:36.159 and posting silly videos of my dog on Instagram. That's 2668 02:07:36.239 --> 02:07:37.319 my entire existence. 2669 02:07:38.199 --> 02:07:41.720 Sweet, I'm here about it. 2670 02:07:42.159 --> 02:07:43.359 I also exist. 2671 02:07:43.800 --> 02:07:48.000 Yep. Yeah. We'll be back in two weeks with episode 2672 02:07:48.039 --> 02:07:52.279 one twenty six. Until then, hopefully everybody shovels digs out 2673 02:07:52.319 --> 02:07:54.479 of the snow if you've bet affected, which is like 2674 02:07:54.560 --> 02:07:56.840 two thirds of the country, so odds are you have, 2675 02:07:57.520 --> 02:08:01.279 and we will see you a couple of weeks. Bye bye,