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Speaker 1: What's happening? Billy badness?

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Speaker 2: That's the thing in the past. What's the word your

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frigging nerds? We're back with the fire escape cast. It's

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just one hundred. Oh my god, Dan, what one of

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these days I'm gonna do an intro where you don't

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interrupt me and make it about you.

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Speaker 3: Mary is interrupting too. We're both interrupting you.

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Speaker 2: She gets to interrupt. I heard it speaking rules. He didn't.

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Marry didn't get the Cardigan memory.

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Speaker 3: Calm feet January or February.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fucking fancy man, fancy look older. Episode one hundred

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and twenty five. Ye, it is thirty four, thirty four

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degrees in Frankfurt. How have you guys been? Is it snowy? No? Mary,

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probably not where you are.

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Speaker 1: Oh my weather, it's weird. It's a it's been kind

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of warm. So it's been forties and maybe sometimes the fifties.

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Sometimes it rains, but it's too warm and it's weird.

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We don't like it. It's supposed to be cold and

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rainy and cloudy. This is not our vibe, Like our

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rainy season is all off. I don't think it's good.

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I mean, obviously I do like not rain, but I

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I think there's something wrong. It should be raining right now.

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Speaker 2: It's like Ireland weather pack Northwest, Ireland West Coast. It

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felt like the pack Pacific Northwest.

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Speaker 1: When I was in Galway, they said that our ice

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pack is really low. So my worry is if it

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doesn't get cold enough and we don't get snow, it'll

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affect our rivers and streams in the spring, and I

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think that has downstream impacts.

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Speaker 2: If the will Lammett dries up. You can get your

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phone back, though, damn it.

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Speaker 1: I know it's not worth it. Global warming is not

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worth it to retrieve my twenty sixteen iPhone.

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Speaker 2: Dan, How's how's how's the weather with You's? Sure it's cold, the.

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Speaker 3: Brutally cold, not getting a lot of snow right now,

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but definitely holding up towards just you're not really going outside.

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But on that note, are you guys aware of like

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there's like some conspiracy theory now about snow being plastic?

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No fill me in, Okay, Well, you know I follow

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you know, wrestlers, so I get I get clued in

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on a lot of dumb shit.

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Speaker 2: Theirs are in good shape, right, Uh.

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Speaker 3: This one in particular, I'm thinking of is just the worst.

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But this one guy was posting stuff about like I'm

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looking out here. It's like, this is the weirdest thing.

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I'm holding the lighter up to my snow. It's not melting.

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There's something up with this. There's something like I don't

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even know what the conspiracy is. I don't know if

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they're saying like, oh, Democrats are raining plastic snow down

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or something. But yeah, then I just googled like snow uh,

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and it's everyone a certain type of person is saying

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a lot about snow being plastic and it must mean something.

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Speaker 2: Interesting like if there you would think that the people

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who are also trying to fake global warming would refrain

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from dropping fake snow from the sky.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. Logic's great. Here they're saying, okay,

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I'm looking at the video now. Yeah, they're trying to

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burn it with the lighter, and they're like, oh my god,

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it turned black instead of melting, like this is government snow.

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Speaker 2: This is like what is this?

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Speaker 3: Like the fuck does that mean? It's like, okay, it's

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a residue from the lighter. Yeah, the snow doesn't turn black. Okay,

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I'm reading about it now on Yahoo creators your your

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best source for news. I don't know. I just googled them.

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This what popped up. But that seems stupid.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, stupid. Maybe dancing around?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe he has like a he lives near a

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mountain and they have to have fake snow so that

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people can ski.

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Speaker 2: No, I think he's just stupid.

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Speaker 1: Even that's not plastic though, that's just a form of

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real snow.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of conspiracies, I finally caught up and watched Pogonia

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since last Good.

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Speaker 1: That's a good conspiracy movie. Also, Jesse Plemmons might be

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one of the best actors.

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Speaker 3: I just watched Jesse Plemmons in the movie last night.

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For the first time. I watched The Master.

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Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait, wait, oh my god, holy shit. That's

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watched him the movie for the first time. You saw Pogonia?

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Speaker 3: I saw the movie. No, I watched Oh I saw

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the movie. It was a weird way to put it.

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I saw The Master for the first time.

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Speaker 2: I remember that came out when I was at Game

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Former in twenty twelve, and I thought you'd seen it,

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but we talked about this last episode. But yeah, I'm

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glad you watched it, but yet really really quick Pogonia,

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really good movie. It's definitely I don't I still don't

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know that it broke my top five from last year.

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really good, really well made.

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Speaker 3: Weird because like, as soon as I started seeing Jesse

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Plemons kind of pop up, which is like what mid

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twenty tens, maybe I always thought he had a very

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Phillips Seymour Hoffin deal about him, and then like he

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plays Phillip sy Moore Hoffin's son and The Master, and

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I'm like, oh, yeah, there you go. I'm not the

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only one thing in that. But yeah, he doesn't have

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a huge role in that. But God Walking Phoenix is

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just he's a guy that like every time I've seen

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him in a movie, I don't know if this is

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good or bad about him, but I'm like, I bet

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that guy's actually fucking nuts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah no, no, no, so so yeah, so Freddy Quail, Wait, So,

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generally speaking, what did you think of The Master? I

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Speaker 3: I remember thinking like, oh, at first I thought Paul

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Thomas Anderson when it was in production was like making

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a movie specifically about like Eron Hubbard and Scientology and

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steff Ooh, that's going to be interesting. And then I

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heard it's like, uh, it's kind of a loosely based

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thinly veiled. It's very much Aroon Hubbard and Scientology, but

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you know, it's a fictionalized version of all. I think

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I lost a little bit of interest, and like, reviews

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weren't that great necessarily when it first came out, so

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though like, There Will Be Blood was I think the

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previous one that's like one of my favorite movies ever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, There Will Be Blood was nine, I believe Master

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was twelve. After that it would have been Inherent Vice.

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And then the one before There Will Be Blood I

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believe was Punch Drunk Love.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we just watched that recently. Yeah, that old us.

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Speaker 2: It's it's funny. We talked about it because I think

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it's I go back and forth sometimes. I think it's

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actually my favorite pta movie. I love The Master. It

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hit me hard the first time I watched it, and

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that is one of his movies that I rewatch the most,

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and I feel like it is making the rounds lately.

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I think because Jesse maybe again Jesse Plemmons has like

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four lines in it, but like.

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Speaker 3: Or one Battle. I mean, I think people are just

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talking about I think people.

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Speaker 2: Are going back to that. So I've been seeing people

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a lot of people saying they're watching it now, and

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I think watching it after understanding Paul Thomas Anderson's other

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movies a bit more, it's more fun because the first

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time I was trying to watch is trying to figure

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it out, but like, ultimately it really is about the

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quasi battle kind of like homo erotic relationship between Philip

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Seymour Hoffman and Freddy Quell and what the hell is

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name Dodd Lancaster Dodd h.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that was the thing is like I at

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the end, I was talking to Bonk and I was like,

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we both liked it, But I said, like, I don't

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know if I'm just stupid or it's like the thing

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that kind of bugged me about this was that, like,

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I liked it. It was very well made and the

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acting this is an actor movie capital a, you know,

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but like I didn't really take away like what's the message, Like, well,

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what do I take away from here?

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Speaker 2: You know? That?

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Speaker 3: Is it like Mother where it's like I watched that

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whole movie and didn't realize there were like allegories and stuff,

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and I'm just like totally missing something.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I've never seen Paul Thomas Anderson to

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be someone who makes things for people to figure out.

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Speaker 3: To me, I was like, Oh, yeah, what the fuck

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Magnolia, I really don't think like Punch Drunk Love.

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actually finally kind of does find love after having a

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really rough life. But like The Master, very much to me,

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is like Lancaster Dodd, who is someone who a cult

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leader who is trying to convince people of this intangible thing,

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and then he finds Freddie, who they compare to an

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animal visually and even like in the script many times

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throughout when they both go to jail, he's literally like

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a caged animal freaking out. And I think Lancaster Dodd

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sees this like impossible convert in him because the big

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thing that movie doesn't touch on after the first like

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ten minutes is like the this is a generation of

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people suffering from PTSD before we truly understood it, and

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we still and truly understand it. But so Freddy's dealing

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with that and not knowing how to handle it. But

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it's very much Lancas or Dodd trying to quote unquote

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like tame an animal, realizing it's impossible. But I think

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there's also some sexual undercurrent with them in a way

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like that's.

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Speaker 3: Oh, they're like grab assen in the lawn and stuff.

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Speaker 2: He sings. He sings him an old timey run grab yeah. Yeah,

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they're straight up grab yeah.

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Speaker 3: They're rolling around pants and stuff.

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Speaker 2: The last five minutes is Philip seymour Hoffman, just a

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one shot on him crying as he sings, I want

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to get you on a slow boat to China. I walked.

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I remember watching that was like, this is the best

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Speaker 1: Like, no, I haven't seen The Master.

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think like you can really spoil it.

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It's definitely not something where like there's.

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Speaker 1: No nothing that you guys have said is tangible in any.

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Speaker 2: Way you can't. I was gonna say that was great.

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Speaker 1: Nothing that you have said is is is functionally able

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for me to like put together and understand what this

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a lot of grab assen going on and the last third, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I like think it's I genuinely think it's a very

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fun movie to watch.

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Speaker 3: It's funny at times.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the like the pace of the editing. I love

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how the soundtracks amazing. But just like that tracking shot

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when he's he accidentally poisons the guy and he's running

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across the field and that tracking shot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all the people are chasing them, and the motorcycle

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shot and everything there's there's Paul thom Sanderson's just fun to

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watch it, even if it's not your favorite one of

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his movies. They watching it though. I At the same time,

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I'm reading this book about Lauren Michaels that just came

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out like last year, and at one point they're talking about, like,

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and going to la and stuff, like at some point

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he was like doing some on stage stuff, wondering if

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he wanted to be an actor like Lauren Michaels was,

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he was like playing against like a real deal actor,

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and Lauren realized that, like, oh I looked in that

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guy's eyes and like that guy was that character, and

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I realized, oh, I'm just pretending to be a guy,

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you know, Like that guy's becoming the guy. And he's like,

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I'm not an actor. I need to just kind of

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for that movie. But Joaquin Phoenix is unreal.

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be unsufferable right in real life.

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Speaker 3: I mean I think I might just be judging it

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by that weird Letterman appearance, like you know, fifteen years

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ago or whatever where he was he felt this weird.

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also acknowledged that it was duchey.

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anyone know he was basically in k fabe, like in

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character for this stupid, like mockumentary thing.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but he was a drunk and high on yeah,

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but it.

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Speaker 1: Was acting and drunken high.

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to do the stunt basically, where like the whole deal

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of this movie was like a documentary about like in

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real life. Joaquin Phoenix started saying things like I'm quitting acting,

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I'm becoming a rapper, and like you know, he was

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basically manufacturing all these things where it's like, oh, I

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I was wrapping at this party and then drunk and

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fell off a table or whatever, and it went viral

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and everybody was legitimately thinking, like, what the fuck is

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Joaquin Phoenix doing. He's becoming a rapper, He's quitting acting.

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Speaker 2: It was a bit it was just like an.

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Letterman thing where Kaufmin did it successfully and Joaquing Phoenix

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basically just showed up and seemed like a really aloof asshole.

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sticks it on Dave's desk and stuff like that, and Dave,

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for people doing dumb shit like that. So Dave just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't. I don't see what Keen is being easy

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to work with. I don't know if Philip Seymour Hoffin

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Speaker 1: Though excuses it. If they're good actors, do you think

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that that gives them, like, you know, the right where

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it's like, oh, well, their performance was so good, it's

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understandable that they were a huge prick to work with

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for you.

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Speaker 2: Know, I I I think if you asked me this

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ten years ago, I was said, like, of course, it's

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all it's all for the arts. Same but like it

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years ago New York was it the New Yorker article

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that uh interviewing?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah that god yeah.

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Speaker 2: But my favorite quote from that was when for like

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a supporting quote, they asked Brian Cox. They're like, they're like, so,

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like you get into the you're you're a very well

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known actor on the stage and on you know, the

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big screen and on television shows, you're you you seem

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to like embody your actors. How do you go home

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at night after pretending to be someone that well all

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days like it's called acting, and they use that quote

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Jeremy Strong. Jeremy Strong like he by all accounts, sounded

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like he's he not just the show's he's shooting, but

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it sounds like someone like him takes everything in his

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life too seriously.

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Speaker 3: He would be completely inseparate. I think that he's a

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great example of like the worst of the worst, sounding

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you know, like I just fucked.

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Speaker 2: That guy, and then like, but no, it's sorry, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, I was gonna say at the end of

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that Letterman interview it was just great because the whole

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time walking Panks is just on another planet, and at

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the end, Letterman just wraps it up by being like, well,

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walking and I'm sorry you couldn't be here tonight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's actually really good. Good Letterman to be able

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to be that fast. I was thinking this was years ago,

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but I actually have this like vivid memory of a

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weird walking in Phoenix interview on like a red carpet

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and a random person is asking him an interview question

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and he can't focus and he's talking about the fact

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that there is a sensation of a frog in his hair.

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Speaker 3: That sounds like the shit he was doing during that,

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Like it was just like maybe like seven eight something.

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Speaker 2: Like that cosmic gumbo of seventy.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he's like really out of his rocker, and I

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think he says something like I'm worried about the sensation

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of my brain being eaten by a frog, and then

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he like walks away, and the person on the mic

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is like what and that's it. And I remember being

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like that guy's on acid. But I never really thought

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too much into it. I always just kind of assumed

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that celebrities are always on drugs because if I was

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on a red carpet, I would probably do drugs too.

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Speaker 2: No, I would not, No, I would be drink.

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Speaker 3: I can't imagine being in a red car were being

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interviewed and stuff on drugs.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't see how, because sometimes the questions that

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you are asked are silly and mundane and meant to

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elicit a response, and I think that would just exhaust me.

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I don't think I I could do a press tour

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at the end of a movie. I don't think I

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would want to be asked like my favorite Muppet and

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then like have like a serious space, and I'm like,

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I made a movie about a war. I don't want this.

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Speaker 3: Don't ask me about Fozzy.

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Speaker 2: Was awful. We wanted to pay tributes everything that happened there.

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My fucking favorite ice clean ice cream flavors, Rocky Road, like,

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let's move on, well, you want to go up.

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Speaker 3: There was one where you know, obviously Tom Cruise sucks

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in his own special way and everything, but there was

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one red carpet moment where it's like, man, he really

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handled it well where it was like the interviewer was

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trying to do some prank thing where it's like he's

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it's one of the things where he's like, you know,

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go in person to person doing little interviews in the

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red carpet, and he walks up for this guy to

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give him an interview, and the guy's like hey Tom,

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and then like squirts him in the face with like

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he had like a I don't know if it's like

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a clown flower or the microphone was gimmicked to spray

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water something. I think it might have been the microphone

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spraying with water and Tom Cruise like just like grab

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some microes, what do you do?

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Speaker 2: Why? Why would you do that? Why?

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Speaker 3: Why would you do that. I'm going into this thing,

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I'm coming over here to give you an interview, and

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you're gonna pull something like he like lectures the guy

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in a way that's like, oh, I would like a child. Yeah,

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I would feel like if I was that guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd rather Tom Cruise gets pissed and tries to

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fight you. That'd be a better story then what the

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person was going to Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, people wanted to clip whers look at crazy

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Tom Cruise.

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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I was gonna say. Amanda's also been

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uh more open to watching horror movies lately, so Friday

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night finally showed her get Out, and then I told

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her there was a few scenes in Weapons that I

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thought might actually scare her, because get Out is scary

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in its own way. I remember telling her. I was like,

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I think it's it's not going to be truly scary

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because you're white, but like that's kind of the point

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of the movie. So then we watched Weapons the next day.

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Speaker 1: I think scary. Yeah, they're both scary Weapons.

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Speaker 2: There's a couple of scenes Amanda really doesn't love clowns,

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and certain parts and weapons kind of present as clown

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I don't want to spoil anythingcause if people haven't seen

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that movie, they still should. But like she liked them

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both quite a bit. And every time I watch Weapons,

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I like it more, which is crazy because of the

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way it's structured like that Raschaman, it works for that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, really Saturday. Yeah, I don't know. I didn't. I

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didn't know if I appreciated that the first time I

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saw it either, But I think it's I think it's

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really brilliantly laid out and it's almost I bet it's

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more fun, Mike to watch it with someone who hasn't

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watched it, is you know what's going down and why

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and they don't yet, And I think that's that's probably

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like a very fascinating way to look at the movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun because I had a really good theater

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audience for that movie the first time I saw it,

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so I was curious if Amanda was going to react

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to it the same way that we all kind of did.

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And there's definitely certain parts that just elicit a bit

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of like Catharsis and laughing in that movie, because that

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movie is really funny in many places, especially at one

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particular part where Amanda was also like cackling laughing, but yeah, no,

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she loved get Out as well. Get Out so awesome.

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I don't have a spe for us. I like that

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a lot. I don't like us all that much.

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Speaker 3: There's ideas in both, Like I think they're all good movies,

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but I do think it was kind of diminishing returns.

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I'm still very interested in anything he does. I mean, yeah, great,

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but like get Out was definitely my favorite. You're talking

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like backlog stuff. I am finally tackling the Sopranos. Yeah,

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that walked with Bonk, who is like from there.

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Speaker 2: Podcast the Sopranos cast.

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Speaker 3: Did you know the Sopranos is a good TV show?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I I okay. There's actually an email question later

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kind of about this. I don't always give people the

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hard sell on mad Men, which is one of my

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it's tied for for shows, and I've been talking to

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Bank about that as well. But the Sopranos. Every time

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someone tells me I haven't seen it, I'm like, I'm

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gonna be annoying. I'm gonna tell you watch it. I

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promise it. There's a reason every but he talks about it.

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It is. I think it like it's like The Godfather.

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You go your whole life hearing how good it is.

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But even if you haven't seen it The Godfather, I

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like to think when you finally watch it, you're like, oh,

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I get it for.

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Speaker 3: The first time with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And like The Sopranos similarly, like there are some

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bad episodes in that show in my opinion, but like

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overall still incredible. And it's funny that during COVID it

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took off again with like the younger generations. I think

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they reacted. I think there's a bit of Catharsis there

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as well for them, in the sense that like, this

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is a group of people who brought ideas from the

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old world which are pretty bad and almost evil in

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many places, but like they were doing it as a

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result of the authorities not really protecting them and the

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economy sucking for immigrants, and now I think a lot

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of people are like, oh shit, this is so this

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is like them. Their excuse for a lot of the

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shit they do is they're taking things in their own

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hands because the police aren't going to help them.

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Speaker 3: So like you know, you know earlier about me not

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getting messages or deeper meaning and stuff.

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Speaker 2: I didn't catch any of that. I oh, I watched

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this show every year, but also like this is that's

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the Also like by the end of the show, I

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think a lot of those things become more apparent, like

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they literally talk about it. But how far are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm three episodes? I'm good, Mary. Have you seen Sopranos?

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Speaker 1: I've seen the first season like three times, and then

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I always fall off and there's this is not a

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knock on the Sopranos. I just think it's a really

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long show, and I usually am like what else is

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what else? And then I end up fading. There's no reason,

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I have no.

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Speaker 3: Excuse to me. This is a lot like my relationship

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with the Wire, where it's like I heard about it

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for so many years and then I started kind of

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watching in college and it was like I was doing

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it while I was doing other stuff, or I was

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on my laptop and had it on in the background

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and I was like, I don't know, it seems like

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a cop show whatever. And it wasn't until I finally

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like sat down. I was like, I am making a

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point to watch the show that I have, and it's

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like I did the same thing. I watched a little

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bit of Sopranos. I got season one on DVD in college,

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and I watched a couple of seasons, but in like

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the background, and so I didn't really have any pre

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siation for it. And now like Bank and I are

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sitting down and watching it, and it's like, Okay, this

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is making all the difference in the world.

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Speaker 2: Like, this is a tremendous show.

469
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,319
Speaker 3: You said your three episodes in Yeah, and I've in

470
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,079
the last couple of years, I've gotten up to the

471
00:21:13,079 --> 00:21:16,440
college one like or whatever. So like I I've seen

472
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,559
these first few a few times, but this is the

473
00:21:18,559 --> 00:21:20,960
most like we're actually paying attention to and talking about it.

474
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,640
And yeah, let me ask of course, you know the

475
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,480
theme song. Now this is crazy to me because this

476
00:21:24,519 --> 00:21:26,960
is the thing I've thought for thirty years or however

477
00:21:27,039 --> 00:21:29,920
long it's been on almost thirty years. And then Leo

478
00:21:30,039 --> 00:21:33,599
Vader posted something, uh like the day after I had

479
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,759
this conversation with BNK. I always thought in the theme song,

480
00:21:38,279 --> 00:21:40,640
there's the part where he goes game about it. You

481
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:45,720
know that part, and it won't and.

482
00:21:45,799 --> 00:21:47,519
Speaker 1: The theme song, yeah, yeah.

483
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 2: I'm always sends.

484
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,599
Speaker 3: A feeling shaved my body. It's going to shave my body,

485
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,920
save yourself or uh no, no, shame about it is

486
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,599
what it is. Yeah, yeah, I've never heard shaved ninety nine,

487
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,400
so weird a song where the guy just goes, shaved

488
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:03,880
my body.

489
00:22:06,519 --> 00:22:06,759
Speaker 2: Weird.

490
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 3: Falk I was like, why does he say he shaved

491
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,920
my body? And the next fucking day Leo posted like, oh,

492
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,160
it's it's shaved my body, right, they said shave my girl.

493
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:16,799
Speaker 2: It's not just me.

494
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,079
Speaker 3: It's like we'd timing too, but no, it turns out

495
00:22:19,079 --> 00:22:20,279
it's a shame about it.

496
00:22:20,559 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 1: I love when that happens with a song where you

497
00:22:24,039 --> 00:22:27,079
hear it incorrectly and then you actually can't unhear it,

498
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,119
and it's becomes this thing that like when now when

499
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,240
you hear that song, it's all messed up. When I

500
00:22:33,279 --> 00:22:39,000
was growing up, my sister and I, there was a

501
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:39,319
song I.

502
00:22:39,279 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 3: Think it was by Lit, Uh steal my sunshine?

503
00:22:43,559 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 1: No, my own worst enemy? That song where you're just

504
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,279
like it is despriad to me. I am my own

505
00:22:49,319 --> 00:22:50,359
worst enemy?

506
00:22:50,559 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 2: Right?

507
00:22:50,759 --> 00:22:51,519
Speaker 1: What what I did?

508
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:52,839
Speaker 2: Right?

509
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,559
Speaker 1: Lynn, steal my sunshine?

510
00:22:58,519 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 2: I understood you should be shame. I understood the confusion,

511
00:23:02,079 --> 00:23:05,240
but the thought of Lit singing steal my sunshine so fight.

512
00:23:05,279 --> 00:23:08,319
They're very very different like taking Back Sunday Emo band.

513
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,160
I don't know what that means either, surprised me.

514
00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:15,839
Speaker 3: Punk kids, Charlotte and Ship.

515
00:23:16,279 --> 00:23:18,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're a good Charlotte s Okay, Yeah for sure.

516
00:23:19,319 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 1: My sister always heard that lyric and said, uh, because

517
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,720
every now and then a kick the living ship happy,

518
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,079
and she thought that they say shit happy, which doesn't

519
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,799
make any sense. The lyric is ship out of me,

520
00:23:34,799 --> 00:23:38,359
living out of me. But because we both grow up

521
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:42,440
grew up singing shit happy when I do hear that song,

522
00:23:42,599 --> 00:23:45,319
which isn't I actually do like that song. When I

523
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,000
hear that song, I'm always if I hear it on

524
00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:50,160
the radio or wherever, I'll be like, I sing shit

525
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,920
happy because that's the version I know. I wonder like

526
00:23:53,920 --> 00:24:01,440
when you hear it, you're just like ship my body.

527
00:23:56,319 --> 00:24:02,079
Speaker 2: Shap my body. It's the weird lyric. Yeah, I still

528
00:24:02,079 --> 00:24:04,400
do that for like new songs I'm hearing that I

529
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,599
love like I don't. I don't actually know the you

530
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,680
think I know every word Rocky Road to Dublin when

531
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,480
I see it in Center. Oh, we rewatched Centers last

532
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:11,119
weekend as well.

533
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,839
Speaker 1: That's a horror movie. Yeah, and she accepts that one too.

534
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I mean it's Michael B. Jordan's. She'll

535
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:23,279
she'll deal with anything to see him, particularly scary. I

536
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:28,880
like Nicky Glacier, Nicky Glai. Yeah. Yeah, but Michael Jordan

537
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,720
plays twin brothers in this movie, which made me Nicky

538
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,319
b Jerkin or something like that. Yeah, that's really good.

539
00:24:36,599 --> 00:24:40,359
Yeah it's Sopranos. I I love that show. I try

540
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,119
to rewatch it like once a year. But it's an

541
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,519
undertaking for sure. And yeah, it's funny, like like if

542
00:24:45,519 --> 00:24:47,680
I were to call an uber to the neighborhood whore

543
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,319
Bank grew up, I would drive past several shooting locations from.

544
00:24:51,079 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I've gone past Satin Dolls, which was the

545
00:24:54,039 --> 00:24:55,880
bottom end club a million times.

546
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's funny. Like my buddy who lives in

547
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,079
West Orange now he does like a tour of the

548
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,279
area for people who are coming, not not like a

549
00:25:06,319 --> 00:25:08,519
paid to her friends, and he'll show the different shooting locations,

550
00:25:08,519 --> 00:25:10,720
the scuba store that Polly's outside the beginning of an

551
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,480
episode still there. I'm not I'm saying this to you, Dan.

552
00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:17,480
This is for people listening, Like Gloria's house is also there.

553
00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:21,119
It's actually the like gatehouse to a bigger mansion wedding venue.

554
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,200
It's just really cool to live semi close by it

555
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:24,759
all that now.

556
00:25:24,839 --> 00:25:27,319
Speaker 3: But it's interesting having like, you know, I watched some

557
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,039
in college when I just had I'd never been to

558
00:25:29,079 --> 00:25:31,160
New York City, i had never you know, like it

559
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,480
was just just a totally foreign concept everything going on

560
00:25:33,519 --> 00:25:36,160
in the Sopranos. And now I've lived in Jersey for

561
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,480
a few months when we were moving out to the

562
00:25:37,519 --> 00:25:39,279
East Coast. You know, I've been out there a million.

563
00:25:39,319 --> 00:25:42,559
I've spent a lot of time, specifically in like North Jersey,

564
00:25:42,599 --> 00:25:44,440
where most that show takes place. And so now it's

565
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,839
like I hear these characters talk, and I hear the accents,

566
00:25:46,839 --> 00:25:49,039
and I'm like, oh, I've met a lot of people

567
00:25:49,079 --> 00:25:51,680
that talk exactly like this, you know. So there will

568
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,400
be like a Polly Walnuts line or something, and I'll

569
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,559
turn a bother and that's your dad, that's what your dad.

570
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I'm excited for you to get there's a

571
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,680
few episodes in there that I'm really excited to hear

572
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:06,359
your thoughts on. Have you seen college? Yeah, okay, gotcha,

573
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,599
that's that's an all timer. But there's like, I'm sure

574
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,319
you've heard of the Pine Barrens.

575
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, Mike. I think Mike Manatty might have

576
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:12,920
spoiled that for me.

577
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh it's it's like a Cohen Brothers movie

578
00:26:16,079 --> 00:26:18,200
in mid miniature. Well, he spoiled it for me.

579
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 3: Even though Mike Manatty won't watch The Sopranos because he

580
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,640
said the mob is mean and he doesn't like seeing

581
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,000
mean stuff in movies.

582
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 2: He spoiled the episode. I don't even know how you'd spoil.

583
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 3: It because he was talking about like I'm not going

584
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,359
to say what he said specifically, but he was just

585
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,480
talking about, like I can't watch the Sopranos. They do

586
00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:34,640
mean stuff, like there was that one where this happens,

587
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,720
and there's the one I know they do this thing

588
00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:38,960
to that person. And it's just like he's saying, you

589
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,599
won't watch it because of the mean things, and so

590
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,359
I know about a mean thing that happens.

591
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that episode is full of them though, So

592
00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:48,640
I don't curious. I'll ask you off off, Mike, but

593
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,079
I'm glad you're liking it. But yeah, I was talking

594
00:26:50,079 --> 00:26:51,920
a bank too, because now with mad Men on HBO,

595
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,680
I think that's having a resurgence as well.

596
00:26:54,079 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've sat down with her a few times just

597
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,640
at the same deck. Well she's been watching that and

598
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,119
you know, just through osmosis, seeing a bit of it,

599
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,480
and like, yeah, there's something about the pace of mad

600
00:27:03,559 --> 00:27:05,640
Men that I just could never really.

601
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: Do you know, Yeah, so slow, it's slow. Yeah, Yeah,

602
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:15,000
that is the show that like more than the Sopranos

603
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,359
or The Wire, which are very like I think, verb heavy,

604
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,759
and there's still a lot going on into the surface.

605
00:27:20,759 --> 00:27:22,799
I think mad Men is really relies on the stuff

606
00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:25,039
going on on the surface, and that that's why I

607
00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:26,359
don't push that show all the time, because if the

608
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:27,720
pace doesn't work for you, I can't like.

609
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,519
Speaker 3: I don't I don't like the characters, and it's just

610
00:27:31,559 --> 00:27:33,119
like I don't know, like I can I can recognize

611
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,680
it's clearly a very well made show, but just nothing

612
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:36,920
about it makes me want to watch it.

613
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 2: Really.

614
00:27:37,319 --> 00:27:40,839
Speaker 1: If you are looking for like a faster pace, you

615
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,119
gotta you gotta get into Naruto.

616
00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:46,519
Speaker 2: It is just action packed.

617
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:51,559
Speaker 1: I cannot believe how much these kids go through. I'm

618
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:52,920
constantly almost dying.

619
00:27:53,319 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 2: I believe you, it's so good.

620
00:27:57,319 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 1: I'm still down with Rudo. I also started an you

621
00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:02,640
anime which I know neither of you guys will watch.

622
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,799
Best not to talk to you about it.

623
00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 2: It's not anime.

624
00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: I don't think you're anti anime. I think you'll be

625
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,400
anti this anime. It's called high School of the Dead. Actually, Mike,

626
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,680
maybe maybe I could sell this on you. It is

627
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,279
uh so, it's zombies attack a high school. So all

628
00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:20,000
these high school students are like navigating what would happen

629
00:28:20,079 --> 00:28:23,640
if the entire world was like completely transformed, and now

630
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,400
there's a zombie outbreak and you have to deal with it.

631
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,599
And they show a lot of students dying in the

632
00:28:27,599 --> 00:28:30,200
first episode, like immediately, like all these kids are like

633
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,519
fucking dying in front of everybody. But the fan service

634
00:28:34,759 --> 00:28:36,440
is outrageous.

635
00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:37,279
Speaker 2: Let me stop.

636
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,039
Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question there, because I have

637
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,880
used that phrase before fan service. I did it on

638
00:28:43,119 --> 00:28:45,680
John Bomb East podcast once and I talked about something

639
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,119
like I used it in the phrase of like there's

640
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,960
a lot of fan service in terms of just like

641
00:28:50,319 --> 00:28:53,839
references in winking at like hay your eggs, Easter eggs,

642
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,160
and like like a thing doing a lot like a

643
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,400
New Star Wars show doing a lot of callbacks to

644
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,720
the original trilogy or something like that. That was my

645
00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:01,960
seeing a fan service and I were abby was like,

646
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,720
wait what, I didn't know. There's a bunch of like

647
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,640
there's a bunch of DNA and whatever. I was talking

648
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:07,200
about P and A.

649
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:07,559
Speaker 2: What are you doing.

650
00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 3: I'm talking about references and stuff like.

651
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,759
Speaker 1: In anime, fan service means paying tribute to the horny

652
00:29:13,799 --> 00:29:15,319
boys and having like.

653
00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 3: Boys watch anime.

654
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: They love it.

655
00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:22,599
Speaker 2: It doesn't track to me, they love it.

656
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true. I guess it depends. A fan

657
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,200
service in a Star Wars is very different than fan

658
00:29:28,279 --> 00:29:32,079
service in an anime, But in anime, fan service means

659
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:37,400
heavily like suggestive upskirts and shots.

660
00:29:37,519 --> 00:29:41,279
Speaker 2: Yeah people, Yeah.

661
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy. It's there's this like iconic scene where

662
00:29:45,079 --> 00:29:50,160
they're shooting a really high caliber rifle at zombies and

663
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,200
the recoil is making these boobies like ripple, that's that's

664
00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:58,240
funny and yeah, and it's it's it is so vivid.

665
00:29:58,279 --> 00:30:01,000
They're like it's in slow mo and she's like no,

666
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,599
and as they shoot it, it just goes into slow moost

667
00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:07,599
so she's like no, and you see the ripple of

668
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,440
the boob go all the way through the nipple to

669
00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:13,839
the other boob. It's so amazing watching this.

670
00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:19,039
Speaker 2: I'm just curious.

671
00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:22,039
Speaker 1: And then this one, this one's for you, Mike. And

672
00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:25,319
then there's a shot where he shoots a bullet through

673
00:30:25,359 --> 00:30:27,839
that same gun and one of the other girls she's

674
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,000
fighting a zombie, right, so she's in the limelight. She's

675
00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:33,480
like in the line of the shot of the bullet,

676
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,720
and she does a sick backflip and as she does

677
00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:42,319
the backflip, her boobies cross and the bullet goes in

678
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,680
between the boobies as they flow, and it misses both

679
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,240
boobies and then hits a zombie in the head. And

680
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:51,559
I was like, I just crazy.

681
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: Thought of someone like staying after work one of the

682
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:59,559
animators like fucking Taco Bell and half drunk like Baja blasts,

683
00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:03,039
just working to make sure the boob gap is perfect

684
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:10,559
for the fifty round, which was really moved. Thereous really

685
00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:14,200
need to do. I know people are jaying it to

686
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,319
that stuff like I'm sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, I wonder.

687
00:31:19,319 --> 00:31:26,119
Speaker 1: Oh, I think that's what this is. It's like, that's

688
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,440
what fan service I suppose is doing. Is it's like

689
00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:31,119
this ability to have and it is a good show.

690
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,799
I think it's really entertaining and really interesting, and it

691
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,400
just has these vivid shots. I just have to be like,

692
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,119
oh my god. I basically have these like reactions of

693
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,119
like I can't believe they did that. But at this

694
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,240
point I can't really be shocked at anything because it's

695
00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:48,359
so claringly obvious. But I'll have to see if I

696
00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:50,960
can find like a gift or something of the Booby one,

697
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,519
because it was one of the ones where I was like,

698
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:58,119
that is absolutely outrageously well done. Like it's so it's

699
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,359
so blunt and obvious, but it's also like, I don't know,

700
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,559
someone animated that, someone put a lot of energy in

701
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,200
that and made sure that it worked.

702
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 3: It's like in the middle of an action scene where

703
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,319
they're all shooting and stuff, are people just expected to

704
00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:12,240
like drop their trousers and just whack off real quick?

705
00:32:12,319 --> 00:32:13,720
Like if it's just like a it's like not a

706
00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:17,839
sex scene, right, they're racing against the SCD get.

707
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:18,279
Speaker 2: Done real quick.

708
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, I found a gift of it. Can I

709
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:20,799
share it with you?

710
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:22,839
Speaker 2: Guys? I'm going to get put on a list.

711
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: You're gonna get put on a list.

712
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,119
Speaker 3: Oh god, Okay, here it is. There's a bullet, there's

713
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:38,400
a what that's that's stupid. That's very fucking stupid. That's

714
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:39,680
so fucking dumb.

715
00:32:40,519 --> 00:32:42,599
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I love it. Are things slow and

716
00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:45,079
then they're like.

717
00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:50,119
Speaker 1: It's beautiful. It's so shocking.

718
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: Like a scissor motion with the boot. This is dumb.

719
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 4: They are supposedly in high school and moving so fast

720
00:32:57,039 --> 00:33:00,240
for that bullet past one and then they just which

721
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,880
figure eight and then it goes past another one.

722
00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 3: Is it supposed to be ridiculous or like funny or.

723
00:33:09,079 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: It's funny. It's humor, it's silly, a lot of violence.

724
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,640
It's also very violent. It's also very serious in the

725
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,839
sense like you know, their friends are dying, like their

726
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,240
loved ones are dying, So serious elements to it. But

727
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,519
I would say more than not. This is like cheeky

728
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,839
and funny action and like hyper sexual and like the

729
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,279
weirdest ways. And this is a good example of like

730
00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:33,480
that is such a strange.

731
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's over the top on purpose.

732
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: It's over the top intentionally. And I was laughing during

733
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,480
these scenes. I could not get over how funny they were.

734
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: But it looks like a Roman ruin.

735
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're in the they're in Japan, like

736
00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:53,759
in the city now, and so like a lot of

737
00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:57,079
it because it's been taken over by zombies. It's no

738
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,640
longer inhabitable, and so you're probably I think they're like

739
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,640
in a what do you call that, like a waterway.

740
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: Or something like that, that's a viaduct or something.

741
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, this because I know all these shows have

742
00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:10,440
like nine thousand episodes, so like, is this sit down

743
00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:12,480
paying attention or is this like steam deck and it's

744
00:34:12,519 --> 00:34:12,960
not on the pack.

745
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: I usually have a steam deck, but I'll put it

746
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:16,599
down for the booby scenes.

747
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:20,599
Speaker 2: I think you need you need both hands for the

748
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:21,199
booby scenes.

749
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: You need you need all the concentration. When there's an

750
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,559
action shot, I think it's I probably missed some of

751
00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:29,960
them because of the steam deck action. But to me,

752
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,320
same thing with Naruto. There's usually filler episodes. So an anime,

753
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,320
it's like really standard that after a heavy action scene,

754
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:39,440
just because the animators put a lot of energy in

755
00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:42,480
these action sequences, they need a filler episode. This is

756
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,679
an episode where they have almost no animation and the

757
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,119
characters talk to each other and one of them maybe

758
00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:50,719
flirts with another one and they get like all flush

759
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:51,840
and I go and they go, oh my god, I

760
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,880
can't believe you said that to me. And that's an

761
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:57,360
entire episode, and so I can be steam decking during that.

762
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,639
That is a waste of my time. I'll listen to

763
00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:02,039
it kind of and like do it. But when I

764
00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:04,719
hear someone be like let's fight, I put the steam

765
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,719
deck down and I watch the action sequences. There are

766
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,960
animes where they specifically cut out all of the filler episodes,

767
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,840
and I don't do that that steam deck time.

768
00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 3: That's what we did per dragon Ball because they did

769
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,039
the dragon Ball Z. And then there was Kai, which

770
00:35:20,119 --> 00:35:21,840
was like just cutting out the part where it's like, oh,

771
00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:24,840
Goku and Piccolo or getting their driver's license or whatever,

772
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:30,000
and cut that stuff, and I think that's an actual episode.

773
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 1: That's really funny. Yeah, Kai is. It's kind of important.

774
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,360
Like if if I were to recommend an anime, I

775
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,480
would definitely be like, watch the shortened versions or even

776
00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:40,159
look up a guide. You can look up a guide

777
00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:43,280
to Naruto that will prevent you from watching six episodes

778
00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:47,519
of them walking to town, and like that's it. It's

779
00:35:47,519 --> 00:35:49,239
just like you don't need all you don't need that.

780
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:53,360
That's obviously filler and it can make people leave the show,

781
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,440
but for me, I use that as like really excellent

782
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:58,639
gaming time.

783
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am braced for anime and because Gershon and

784
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:04,079
I are about to start up all systems Goku again,

785
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,079
and it's like but like, since we're doing a podcast

786
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:08,159
about it, like I'm paying attention, I'm taking notes and

787
00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:10,800
stuff like that. So I think I think we're gonna

788
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,880
do the original one, the original run of dragon Ball

789
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,360
with like no you know, like filler episodes at all.

790
00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:16,199
Speaker 2: Is wow?

791
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,519
Speaker 3: The plans So yeah.

792
00:36:18,679 --> 00:36:20,519
Speaker 1: Well there's some fan service in that one. So in

793
00:36:20,639 --> 00:36:26,840
Joe Dragonball, there's a little bit really oh yeah dragon

794
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,159
Ball there, that one I think is I mean, it's

795
00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:31,960
just a classic. What else can you say? But I

796
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,239
mean I would I would die to have you guys

797
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,840
watch one episode of High School of the Dead and

798
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,400
like react to how absurd it is. It's just so

799
00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:44,079
it's so ridiculous and it knows what it is to

800
00:36:44,519 --> 00:36:48,719
an insane degree. And the character designs. You'll see so

801
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,199
many characters you'll be like that girl, their boobs are

802
00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:56,000
too big, and I'm very open about all boobs. I'll

803
00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:59,639
be like, that is unnecessary. You have made this character's

804
00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:04,400
boob too big and they cannot walk, they cannot run,

805
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,840
they cannot do anything because you have made their boobs

806
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:08,239
so big.

807
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 2: But they can make a mean apple pie.

808
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: They can. In this anime, they're the nurse and so

809
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,159
they're like, can I help you? I are trying to

810
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,159
stitch people up, But she just has like Triple F's

811
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:22,760
and she looks ridiculous.

812
00:37:23,639 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 2: She just gets in the way during surgery.

813
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,559
Speaker 1: Ever be a doctor with those.

814
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 2: We started the pit speaking of surgery. Yeah, yes, episode

815
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:41,239
a very different show eat Triple F and Surgery.

816
00:37:42,639 --> 00:37:45,079
Speaker 1: I'm on season two, so I've seen season one. I

817
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:47,079
won't spoil it for you, but I actually thought it

818
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:51,400
was absolutely phenomenal and I'm really excited to hear what

819
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,559
you think. The only thing that it's like is hard

820
00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:56,400
about it is after a long, stressful day, is very

821
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,480
difficult to recommend someone this show because it is so RESTful,

822
00:38:01,199 --> 00:38:06,239
and it is very vivid of the scenes of people

823
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,400
getting hurt and so somebody has a bone sticking out.

824
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:09,119
They show it.

825
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 2: Oh, they show.

826
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: All of it.

827
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 2: They show how to do plenty of very invasive medical procedures,

828
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:15,719
not howitorialize.

829
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 3: But like, is it supposedly like pretty accurate.

830
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 2: I don't know, it looks real.

831
00:38:21,559 --> 00:38:24,079
Speaker 1: They say so, like I think they're always taking liberties.

832
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,880
But when when they're saying this is probably like every

833
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,039
medical show, but you know, they'll be like, this person's

834
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:31,599
bleeding out and they'll be like, you just need to

835
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:34,840
flip the lung upside down and that'll stop it. And

836
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,679
I'll be like, Okay, I don't know about that, but

837
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,800
like I do think there are other elements where maybe

838
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,920
something will pop out of socket and they will show

839
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,280
vividly how to put a bone back into socket and

840
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,440
someone who's like bleeding out, and I think that's pretty fucking.

841
00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:50,039
Speaker 3: Cool and combat X ray. But like in reverse where

842
00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:52,239
it's like fixing the bone.

843
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 2: Someone gets her de gloved from the like knee down

844
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,320
in the first episode. Is that what that means? You

845
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:06,079
loved loved basically more deeper than skin. Yeah, it's it's

846
00:39:06,119 --> 00:39:10,880
just her leg is just nerves and veins and that's

847
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:11,320
no good.

848
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's a conception is disgusting. Is that what

849
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:20,039
happened to Jimmy Kimmel's wearing his wedding ring? I get

850
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:24,239
them mixed up because they're the same guy. His ring

851
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,400
Stark and something and it rips his finger skin off.

852
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why you should not get I forget what

853
00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:41,440
metal is titanium married. Wanna talk about video games? All right? Dan?

854
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,639
I have to ask right off the bat. I see

855
00:39:44,679 --> 00:39:48,400
you're playing Securo. Are you doing it the weekly thing?

856
00:39:48,599 --> 00:39:51,639
Hour a week for stream? Are you like playing playing now? I?

857
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,079
Speaker 3: Uh, it's too good. And I also think that like

858
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,519
the muscle memory and things like that, I don't want

859
00:39:57,519 --> 00:39:59,719
to wait a week between sessions with it. So like

860
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,599
I've just dreamed a bunch of sessions at like two

861
00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:06,199
plus hours a time, like every almost every other day

862
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,000
or so, like several times a week since I started out.

863
00:40:08,119 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm glad you're doing that, because that would

864
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,159
be a rough way to play that game.

865
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, remind me, do you beat this?

866
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 2: Yes? Nice?

867
00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, that that's good to hear because I'm so

868
00:40:19,519 --> 00:40:21,440
intimidated by it. But like I did just get past

869
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,440
a really big skill check from what people told me.

870
00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:25,079
And they told me if I could beat this Cane

871
00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:27,639
Tiro guy, that I could beat the game. And I did,

872
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,840
and it took like better part of two hours of

873
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,840
like fighting him over and over and over and over again,

874
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,679
and three phases of this fight, and the introduced this

875
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,519
crazy mechanic just in the third phase. But man, it's

876
00:40:39,559 --> 00:40:42,000
like the feeling I had when I beat him was

877
00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:44,400
like it's I can only compare it to like when

878
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,039
I beat my tyson for the first time, you know,

879
00:40:46,039 --> 00:40:48,360
where it's like this huge thing that you overcome that

880
00:40:48,519 --> 00:40:51,599
just takes just a genuine amount of skill. You can't

881
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,639
just kind of match with this stuff. You have to

882
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,719
learn this stuff and learn this attacks, and then like

883
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,400
when you have that moment, it's just like fuck, that's

884
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,679
just like this is what video games are all about,

885
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,960
you know. So I just continue to adore this game.

886
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 2: Also, like the level design. The environments are amazing too,

887
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,239
Like the little sandboxes you could if you're playing stealthily

888
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,480
and trying to clear out a horde, if you pick

889
00:41:11,519 --> 00:41:13,280
off enemies from a horde before you go in and

890
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,239
fully fight them, yeah sorry, mob, not horde. That you

891
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,280
could do that, And like, you know, like the verticality

892
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,039
of the grappling hook and everything kind of gives you

893
00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:24,639
that option, which I appreciate that because in many of

894
00:41:24,679 --> 00:41:27,079
the Frumsoft games it's harder to go in and kind

895
00:41:27,079 --> 00:41:30,159
of whittle away at the crowd before you fully dive

896
00:41:30,199 --> 00:41:31,000
in there. This wee.

897
00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was an area. There's an area that had like,

898
00:41:33,519 --> 00:41:36,159
you know, seven normal sized dudes and like two big

899
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,480
dudes with hammers and stuff that I was at recently,

900
00:41:38,519 --> 00:41:40,960
and like, you know, it's a lot if you go

901
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,639
in there and they're all going to be swinging at you,

902
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,480
and no matter how good you are at Perry's, you're

903
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:45,800
not going to hit them all with like them all

904
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,880
gang up on you. And then it's like, okay, wait,

905
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,760
I can go underneath this building here, and then I

906
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,199
can kind of get out this fence here and I

907
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,159
can stab this guy ooh, and I can hop down

908
00:41:53,199 --> 00:41:54,679
and kill this guy here. I can throw the ceramic

909
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,639
shard here and make him go over there. And like

910
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,480
I've never been great at stealth, but like it's really

911
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:01,679
elegant in this game. And like once you just started

912
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,440
kind of like you said, yeah, the verticality, You're like,

913
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,239
I'm gonna sit on this free branch here and then

914
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:06,559
I'll be able to pop down on this guy go

915
00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:09,440
over Like it it works and it makes you feel

916
00:42:09,519 --> 00:42:11,440
awesome when you're able to do it with stealth. And

917
00:42:11,639 --> 00:42:13,239
it also makes you feel awesome if you go in

918
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,480
and you fight him head on, and it's just that

919
00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:17,960
game is just nothing but like incredible gameplay moment after

920
00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:19,199
incredible gameplay moment.

921
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, there's some bosses later on. I'm excited

922
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:22,000
for you to see.

923
00:42:22,599 --> 00:42:26,199
Speaker 3: I thought the night guy on the bridge, Yeah, yeah,

924
00:42:26,199 --> 00:42:27,480
that was a fun one. That was like I had

925
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,039
a gimmick to killing him, which was funny.

926
00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:32,559
Speaker 1: It's also beautiful, isn't it. Like it's it's stunningly gorgeous.

927
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:37,599
The sequences that they put in lots of like the

928
00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:41,000
fall and the leaves and stuff like that. I just

929
00:42:41,039 --> 00:42:45,079
think it's a very pretty game. I found it so stressful.

930
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:47,840
I have not beaten Sakio. I think I think I

931
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,519
probably quit like halfway through. I just think I was like,

932
00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:53,559
this game is too hard for me. But I did

933
00:42:53,599 --> 00:42:55,239
really I loved what I played of it.

934
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,079
Speaker 3: And how many times is there that thing where you

935
00:42:58,159 --> 00:43:00,639
reach a mini boss or boss or sex and it's

936
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:02,800
just like the first two or three times, I think

937
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,079
this might be it. I don't know if I'm gonna

938
00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:05,760
be able to do this. And then you just keep

939
00:43:06,199 --> 00:43:08,440
trying and trying and trying, and your brain just keeps

940
00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:10,559
learning and learning and learning and knowing when to predict

941
00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:12,719
certain things, and then you beat it and you feel

942
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:18,119
awesome and rinse and repeat over and over. Like not bad,

943
00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:21,199
especially like this big like as.

944
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 2: Well designed.

945
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:37,519
Speaker 4: Well Mary Mary press away.

946
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:42,159
Speaker 1: Dan is right one that to be banned.

947
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 2: Sorry I could not. That was a low hang.

948
00:43:46,519 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 3: No, the run backs are great because it's like, yeah,

949
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,239
I defended it in Silk Song because I I didn't

950
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,199
think it was ever that bad really, but I would

951
00:43:55,199 --> 00:43:58,079
be pissed off if, like before this gan T fight,

952
00:43:58,079 --> 00:43:59,679
which I did over and over and over again, if

953
00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:01,079
I did had to do a bunch of horse shit

954
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,119
to get up there, you know, that would have annoyed me.

955
00:44:03,199 --> 00:44:06,000
So yeah, yeah, there is something they're not having the

956
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:06,800
run back for sure.

957
00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. The also, like it's the Cantiro fight is just

958
00:44:12,119 --> 00:44:16,440
unreal for it. I think the game literally tests you.

959
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,239
It makes sure at that point that you legitimately know

960
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,119
how to do everything as that character, because there's not

961
00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:28,400
a single encounter like knowing when to jump as opposed

962
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,639
to countering and when to dodge as opposed to jumping.

963
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,960
Like it's it's incredible, really really good boss fight, but

964
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,000
there's stuff later on. I think Jake. Jake definitely has

965
00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:40,039
beaten the game more than I have. I believe he

966
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,760
likes it quite a bit. But it's funny. Everybody has

967
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,199
that one boss that just gives them a lot of

968
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,719
trouble comparatively, and I have one in that game. I

969
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,719
haven't seen it yet. No, okay, it's like a midway boss.

970
00:44:55,519 --> 00:44:57,960
Definitely anothers but you might find it. You might be like,

971
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,360
oh that was yours? Like that? I found that really easy.

972
00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:03,480
There's just certain types of bosses I always have difficulty

973
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,679
with in from soft games. But when you when, I'll

974
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,760
check it again next episode and I'll know if you

975
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:10,800
have fought him yet.

976
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,039
Speaker 3: I'm about to fight the monkey, gotcha?

977
00:45:13,199 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 2: Okay? And I know the gammick with them, gotcha?

978
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: I remember the monkey.

979
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,559
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so you've you've You've made it pretty damn

980
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:22,440
fart then nyeah, under the monkey.

981
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:27,079
Speaker 2: I feel like I might yeah, yeah, that might have been.

982
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,119
Speaker 1: That might have been who did it for me? And

983
00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:30,400
I don't remember.

984
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 2: That might have been. That might be almost halfway, might

985
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,000
as well be halfway, I guess. Yeah. Okay, Ish, what

986
00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:39,159
are you like twenty five hours in or something?

987
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 3: I'm like fifteen I want to say, uh yeah, but

988
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:44,559
I looked at like a long play, and I looked

989
00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:46,400
at where I was, and I'm like halfway on the timeline.

990
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 2: Basically, I love that game. It's that was. If it

991
00:45:51,039 --> 00:45:52,760
wasn't for Outer Wilds, I would have been my favorite

992
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:53,920
game of twenty nineteen.

993
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 3: It's just interesting how that stuff happens where It's like,

994
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,280
especially with certain outlets where it's like there are just

995
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,880
always blind spots and stuff where like I don't remember

996
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,679
this being talked about much of Giant Bomb back then,

997
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,719
you know, so Hidden Gem.

998
00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like Dan.

999
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,599
Speaker 3: Well, like like this year Yota was one that I

1000
00:46:11,639 --> 00:46:13,280
was the only one that played it at Giant Bomb,

1001
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:14,840
and like it's just interesting.

1002
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,519
Speaker 1: You'd think someone there would be like really stoked about

1003
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:19,360
a game like Yota. That's huge.

1004
00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I mean that's always the case with any

1005
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,880
outlet I think where it's just like okay, yeah we

1006
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,920
got X amount of people and just no one really

1007
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:26,880
played this one this year.

1008
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: You know, It's still interesting though, because that's like a

1009
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,199
major one. It's like sometimes I wonder though, when you're

1010
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,599
playing games all the time, you're like, well, we're gonna

1011
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,920
replay Banjo KAZUOI and we don't have time to play

1012
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,199
this from soft can.

1013
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,639
Speaker 3: Look Mike Nadia played Virtuos over the three d O

1014
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:47,719
right now and it's impair.

1015
00:46:48,679 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: We're booked and busy.

1016
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 2: Sorry.

1017
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 3: Started Resident Evil nine.

1018
00:46:55,159 --> 00:46:56,679
Speaker 2: Did you play that? I did not.

1019
00:46:57,039 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 3: Jan did and we put up a video. I did

1020
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,000
not watch it because I don't want to. I want

1021
00:47:01,039 --> 00:47:03,000
to go in pretty blind. But like just hearing Jan

1022
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:05,840
talk about it, like, oh man, I'm in a Resident

1023
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:06,880
Evil mood right now.

1024
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 2: I don't even like I'm not. I'm trying not to

1025
00:47:09,079 --> 00:47:11,639
even read about it. I know. The big thing news

1026
00:47:11,639 --> 00:47:13,199
that was came out a couple weeks so that it's

1027
00:47:13,199 --> 00:47:15,559
like open world or like sort of open world SAMBARTI.

1028
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: But they did that in previous ones kind of.

1029
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 2: This is yeah, that's what I said, and then people

1030
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,960
were like, no, this is you know, this is more

1031
00:47:24,039 --> 00:47:28,000
open world kind of interesting, yeah, or at least like

1032
00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:29,760
open that. I was like, yeah, The Evil Within two

1033
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,559
sort of did that as well, like several open worlds

1034
00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:32,400
in that game, and I like that.

1035
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,559
Speaker 1: I liked that and Evil Within I think it's nice

1036
00:47:36,559 --> 00:47:38,000
to give you a little bit of choice as long

1037
00:47:38,039 --> 00:47:41,039
as you generally know what you're supposed to do. I

1038
00:47:41,079 --> 00:47:43,280
just don't like it when I'm like, no, I'm just lost.

1039
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, modern R games are so good with maps, you know,

1040
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,159
like RI two remake and four. It's like, you know,

1041
00:47:48,199 --> 00:47:50,400
I'm not worried if it is more open. I'm sure

1042
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:51,559
they'll be pretty good about that.

1043
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we'll be good. But apparently enemies are on.

1044
00:47:56,559 --> 00:48:00,000
Like what did I see? I think Jesse Vittelli had

1045
00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:01,639
done a quick like Instagram.

1046
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,679
Speaker 3: Video for I saw that on idea of the butcher

1047
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,760
and stuff where you're standing in one spot and.

1048
00:48:06,639 --> 00:48:08,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, the AI is on more of like a Hitman

1049
00:48:09,039 --> 00:48:11,199
kind of clock where they're actually going about doing more

1050
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,400
believable things or not just like waiting at that one

1051
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:18,039
fireplace until you walk in. Mm hmm. That's pretty enticing. Yeah,

1052
00:48:18,039 --> 00:48:19,280
I'm looking forward to it. I can't wait.

1053
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 3: Is the most excited I've been for Resne Evels since

1054
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:22,320
maybe four.

1055
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:24,519
Speaker 2: Four remake.

1056
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 3: I had four or four, I think in terms of

1057
00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:29,760
his excitement levels and like, like, I got excited for all

1058
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:30,519
the new ones.

1059
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: But the one where they uh is seven, the one

1060
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:33,400
with the family.

1061
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, seven, I was excited for eight. Yeah.

1062
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,119
Speaker 1: I think seven had some real excitement built up once

1063
00:48:42,159 --> 00:48:45,079
people realized that the dad did different things based on

1064
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:47,559
where you were. I think that's so sick, like he

1065
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:51,039
would kind of bust through different walls based on where

1066
00:48:51,079 --> 00:48:51,360
you were.

1067
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 3: But I think there's also my mind gpticism, like leading

1068
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,400
up to seven, because it's like we're coming off of

1069
00:48:56,519 --> 00:49:00,599
six would suck to ass and it's like, okay, we're yeah,

1070
00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:02,039
it's like we're doing some new stuff.

1071
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:04,559
Speaker 1: A real donker. Yeah yeah.

1072
00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:07,079
Speaker 3: So like the stock was not high, so it's like, okay,

1073
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:09,920
we're doing first person. It's just like, okay, we'll see

1074
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,719
hopefully this is good. But like the hype factor wasn't

1075
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,880
as there, and like now it's like we're coming off

1076
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,519
of two numbered ones that were good, too, great, great,

1077
00:49:18,679 --> 00:49:21,239
you know, I would say I would say Village was

1078
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,519
very good and seven was excellent, and like so I

1079
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,960
think nine and everything they've shown of nine just seems

1080
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,119
like everything I like out of resioneval games, you know,

1081
00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:31,920
the action of the poor, you know, the more kind

1082
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,159
of like the survival horror stuff.

1083
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. I liked seven quite a bit for doing the

1084
00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:41,800
like Texas Chainsaw, Maascar Vibe, rural horror. Eight did more

1085
00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:46,960
gothic Dracula inspired horror. I'm not as psyched to go

1086
00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:50,320
back to Raccoon City again. I feel like I've seen

1087
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,519
all I need to see of Raccoon City like that,

1088
00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:56,039
I think there are six games set there that I played.

1089
00:49:56,079 --> 00:49:58,480
I've if they could squeeze more out of it, awesome,

1090
00:49:59,039 --> 00:49:59,519
But I think.

1091
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 3: I'm always gonna I prefer a setting that is a

1092
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,400
relatable like, oh, this is like an American city. I

1093
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,639
think I'll always find that more interesting than like a

1094
00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:10,800
gothic fantasy thing or you know, like I mean seven

1095
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,920
was set in just like rural South, you know, but

1096
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,440
like I don't know, just like a city that seems relatable,

1097
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,480
you know. I think that's that's my favorite type of setting.

1098
00:50:19,039 --> 00:50:21,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking forward to it, and I like that

1099
00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:27,199
it's the first time since well seven had two playable characters,

1100
00:50:27,199 --> 00:50:33,639
but it wasn't like interchangeable. It was a gimmicks section. Yeah,

1101
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,920
but eight had eight did too, But it's way at

1102
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,199
the end you play. But this is when you can

1103
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,119
actually go back to the old school, like choose which

1104
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:44,280
one to play first, as which is exciting? Is it

1105
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,840
choosing to play first or is it like a reason? Oh?

1106
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:47,840
Is it interweaving, like.

1107
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,559
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I'm not positive how it works. If

1108
00:50:51,559 --> 00:50:54,239
it's like interset moment like now your grace or whatever, or.

1109
00:50:54,199 --> 00:50:55,559
Speaker 2: Is it like an old school one where it's like

1110
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,679
playing as Leon first will change it for when you

1111
00:50:58,679 --> 00:50:59,480
play as.

1112
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 3: I think it's one campaign. But again, I've kind of

1113
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,000
been avoiding most stuff about herself.

1114
00:51:05,079 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 2: Yeahana Wan, Yeah, OK, Mary, what have you been playing.

1115
00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:12,679
Speaker 1: I've been playing a couple of things, but the one

1116
00:51:12,679 --> 00:51:14,760
that I'm most excited to talk to you about is Mio.

1117
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,480
This game was recommended to me by multiple people, which

1118
00:51:19,519 --> 00:51:22,360
is so awesome when that happens, when people are like,

1119
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,159
I think this is for you. Uh, they were right.

1120
00:51:26,519 --> 00:51:31,960
This is a metroid vania. Uh it is. It is

1121
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,159
between Hollow Night and Or for me. It has the

1122
00:51:36,199 --> 00:51:40,800
difficulty curve of a Hollow Night, but I think that

1123
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:45,199
it is kinder and it is more is easier for

1124
00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:49,000
people to understand and adapt to. And I like the

1125
00:51:49,159 --> 00:51:53,079
Or comparison because it's in a fantastically beautiful world where

1126
00:51:53,079 --> 00:51:56,400
you're just kind of like this weird, little floaty creature

1127
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:02,239
and it really plays on the platforming mechanics of how

1128
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,639
floaty and how delicate you can be in these absolute

1129
00:52:06,679 --> 00:52:11,800
brutal platforming spaces. But it is. It is awesome. A

1130
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:16,159
couple things that I really like about it. It's challenging,

1131
00:52:16,199 --> 00:52:20,119
but again it's not frustrating. These boss fights are absolutely learnable.

1132
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,320
You will figure them out. Each boss fight that I

1133
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,199
have encountered, I've been like, holy shit, this guy beat

1134
00:52:24,199 --> 00:52:26,360
my ass, and then within like thirty minutes, I'm like,

1135
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,119
I know this guy's skills. I know exactly what to

1136
00:52:28,159 --> 00:52:31,800
do here. I can get through it. There's no contact damage,

1137
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,800
so you can get right up in a boss's face

1138
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,079
and unless it attacks you, no damage. I really appreciate

1139
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:37,880
that about this game.

1140
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 2: That's cool.

1141
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:44,039
Speaker 1: It has a currency that you lose when you die,

1142
00:52:44,599 --> 00:52:47,159
and you do not go to get it back. It's

1143
00:52:47,199 --> 00:52:49,960
gone when you die, it's gone. But here's what I

1144
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:52,519
like about it. There are different areas in the game

1145
00:52:52,639 --> 00:52:55,760
where you can harden your currency into an item that

1146
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,840
you don't lose when you die.

1147
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 2: Yes, but you don't you don't pay like a backpack

1148
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:03,519
and Escape from Tarkov.

1149
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, of course, just like Escape from Duckov. Yes,

1150
00:53:11,199 --> 00:53:12,960
I know you love Escape from Duckov.

1151
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 2: I like that game.

1152
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: Actually, so the currency system, it feels like it's you

1153
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:25,960
don't get too frustrated. I've definitely lost my my currency before.

1154
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,840
I forget what it's called, doesn't really matter. It's like

1155
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:34,119
shape hard money. You pick it up from fallen enemies

1156
00:53:34,199 --> 00:53:36,440
or from the dead that you occur. You know, you

1157
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,159
you like find along the way, but you want to

1158
00:53:38,199 --> 00:53:40,280
harden it and then you buy upgrades with it. The

1159
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,320
upgrade system is also sick and very hollow night It

1160
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,320
is a badge based system. But think you're a machine,

1161
00:53:46,679 --> 00:53:50,880
so you have to implant these different pieces, but you

1162
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,480
only have so much hardware like hardware like, you can

1163
00:53:53,519 --> 00:53:55,719
only accept so many pieces at once, and they're all

1164
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:59,840
worth different amounts. And so I gave up being able

1165
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,239
to see my own health to being so that I

1166
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:07,159
could see the enemy's health. I gave up scraping more

1167
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,079
money from each enemy so that I could do a

1168
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:13,559
better final move of my triple move. And so my

1169
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,400
third move on my combo does like way more damage.

1170
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,480
Now I just added one. I think this one's really fun.

1171
00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:24,519
I have one now that all of the health upgrade

1172
00:54:24,519 --> 00:54:29,000
spaces cost nothing, and I have that one on so

1173
00:54:29,039 --> 00:54:31,800
that when I'm doing a platforming section, I can just

1174
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:35,480
heal without spending a dime. I can heal all the

1175
00:54:35,559 --> 00:54:39,320
time and do these like really brutal platforming sections. And

1176
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:40,679
then when I'm going to get to a boss, I

1177
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,320
take that off because I don't need it anymore, and

1178
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,719
I put on something that as I take more damage,

1179
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,280
I do more damage. And so I'm constantly changing my

1180
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,840
system out based on the environment that it's put me in.

1181
00:54:55,159 --> 00:54:56,760
A Couple more things I just like wanted to quickly

1182
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,880
bring up. I think it's stunning. The background environments look

1183
00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:02,920
and drawn and almost like hand painted, but you are

1184
00:55:03,039 --> 00:55:07,840
very mechanical, so it's half looks like natural environment half

1185
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:12,320
mechanical robot, which I think is a beautiful way to

1186
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,760
do it. There's a city that is covered in ice

1187
00:55:15,199 --> 00:55:18,400
that I just found that I think is so stunningly

1188
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,559
beautiful and I can't wait to figure out more of it.

1189
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,760
And again, I think the platforming is phenomenal. I keep

1190
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,480
learning new moves. God I want to dash, but right

1191
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,320
now I have like a double jump while jumping, a

1192
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,679
floaty move. I mean, I've found all these really good

1193
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,199
moves that have completely blown this game out of the

1194
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,000
water for me. I mean, this is my number one

1195
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:39,360
I mean this is this is good the game the

1196
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:40,559
only game I want to play right now.

1197
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 3: You're selling me on this because, like I had heard

1198
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,320
some rumblings of gime Bomb, and I believe Chuck was

1199
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,519
playing it and enjoying it, and but I think the

1200
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:50,400
thing that scared me off was like he said, it

1201
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,920
was a really slow start, I want to say, and

1202
00:55:53,159 --> 00:55:56,159
I just like, I like mentored Banias, but I hate

1203
00:55:56,159 --> 00:55:57,519
slow starts, and so I think I was like, oh,

1204
00:55:57,559 --> 00:55:59,079
I'm interested. And then I heard that and I was like, man,

1205
00:55:59,079 --> 00:56:01,960
I'm not so how bad is the intro?

1206
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 1: I found it really quick? And I think what's interesting

1207
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,280
to me is that I needed a fill in for

1208
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,840
bowling this week, and the guy who bowled on our

1209
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,159
team also was playing MEO and he was like, wasn't

1210
00:56:15,159 --> 00:56:16,760
it cool when you found this boss? And I was like,

1211
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,079
I haven't found that boss and he was like, oh, well,

1212
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:20,800
you have this item, right, and I'm like, no, I

1213
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,480
don't have that item. And we're both five hours in.

1214
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,559
We went opposite directions. It's very possible that the experience

1215
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:29,960
that you have and the experience that the other person

1216
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,800
who's played this had very different experiences playing it. Sounds

1217
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,800
like you can level yourself up in a totally different order,

1218
00:56:37,079 --> 00:56:40,400
which I think is great. So it's maybe not a

1219
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,119
great answer for you. But what I will say is

1220
00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:45,360
I found a boss almost immediately. This game is chalk

1221
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:49,599
full of secrets hidden Heidi holes, nooks and crannies, and

1222
00:56:49,679 --> 00:56:52,519
so if he missed them, he might have just been

1223
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:56,320
doing like a long section of nothing. Now, whereas I

1224
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,000
found a boss within like five.

1225
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 3: Minutes, I think I'm fine with like gameplay, slow start,

1226
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,159
like I'm fine with like the build up to getting

1227
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,079
I just don't want to like, and then then the

1228
00:57:05,199 --> 00:57:07,199
king was evil, and then you got to kill the

1229
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,000
king like I just don't want to like textboxes for

1230
00:57:09,079 --> 00:57:09,679
six hours.

1231
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 2: You know, I don't.

1232
00:57:10,639 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: Remember that either. I felt like it was pretty dewey. Okay,

1233
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,400
I will say, I will say, okay, it has an

1234
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:20,880
interesting I will I will acknowledge that this has a

1235
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,920
really odd start. But I fell in love with it.

1236
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:29,079
Which is it starts to du with like little lines

1237
00:57:29,159 --> 00:57:33,239
and dots, and it goes back to it multiple times

1238
00:57:33,559 --> 00:57:37,320
to teach you new moves in a new environment. That's

1239
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,519
very simplified. I'll try to explain it. But like the

1240
00:57:40,639 --> 00:57:46,079
very first time you get uh, there's a Oh, you

1241
00:57:46,119 --> 00:57:48,239
can hit something to get your jump back, right, this

1242
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:53,159
is a common upgrade, right, Yes, you hit something in

1243
00:57:53,199 --> 00:57:54,400
mid air and all of a sudden you get your

1244
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,280
jump back and now you can travel a little further.

1245
00:57:57,559 --> 00:57:59,639
It takes you out of the game. It puts you

1246
00:57:59,679 --> 00:58:03,639
into this two D environment that's very simple. It's it's

1247
00:58:03,679 --> 00:58:07,199
got stunning audio. It's so simple, and it pairs everything

1248
00:58:07,239 --> 00:58:09,920
down and it goes now, you're just going to learn

1249
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,119
this skill. We're going to give you six challenges to

1250
00:58:13,599 --> 00:58:15,440
learn this skill to make sure you learn it, and

1251
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,639
then we'll throw you back into the game. The game

1252
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,920
starts in that mode, and so when you start you

1253
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,280
might be like, what is this? But by the sixth time,

1254
00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:27,119
not even by like the third time, you're getting your upgrade.

1255
00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:31,239
You're like, oh sick, this is my learning a skill mode.

1256
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,280
And then you get to play the game. So maybe

1257
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,159
that's what threw him off. That's the only thing I

1258
00:58:35,159 --> 00:58:38,559
can think of. I'm about the game visually.

1259
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm narrative a slow start.

1260
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,119
Speaker 1: It's a little bit of narrative mumbo jumbo. But you

1261
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:47,400
just you know, you look at your watch. Okay, you

1262
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:52,159
don't have to read I was like really surprised. I

1263
00:58:52,199 --> 00:58:55,559
will also say, after that opener, whatever it is, there's

1264
00:58:55,639 --> 00:58:58,320
like no story at all. Like every once in a

1265
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,159
while you'll run across a robot and he'll be like

1266
00:59:00,199 --> 00:59:02,480
the city used to be big, it's dead now, and

1267
00:59:02,519 --> 00:59:05,239
I'll be like okay, and then I go fight six bosses.

1268
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:11,480
I haven't bogged down with text at all. I've really

1269
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,239
loved it again, like the floatiness. Oh there's ice in

1270
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,079
a lot of these areas, and I'm slipping and sliding

1271
00:59:16,119 --> 00:59:20,320
all over the place. Like the enemy design is pretty fun.

1272
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:22,719
In several of the areas I've been fighting, like just

1273
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:27,840
really cool mechanical animals. You know, different robots that maybe

1274
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:33,360
look like hummingbirds or they look like spiders, and they're Oh,

1275
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,840
there's one that looks like a chameleon and he literally

1276
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,920
hides into the walls and so you won't see him

1277
00:59:39,239 --> 00:59:42,639
unless you're really paying attention, he'll get you. It's just

1278
00:59:42,639 --> 00:59:48,079
a fun little game. I really do think it's I

1279
00:59:48,079 --> 00:59:50,480
hope more people talk about it. I think it is

1280
00:59:51,239 --> 00:59:53,920
a fantastic platformer. So for someone who's like really interested

1281
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:57,599
in platforming, this is a good platformer game with some

1282
00:59:57,639 --> 01:00:00,280
good boss fights. I'm liking a the one.

1283
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:02,719
Speaker 3: I got some flights coming up for sure that I

1284
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:04,880
made some stuff for so I'll make sure this is

1285
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:05,719
like on the steam deck.

1286
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 2: Before someone point.

1287
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: Planning on the steam deck, it's a steam deck game

1288
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,239
faue show. I don't think it's perfect, Like there's some

1289
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:16,159
things that like I haven't I haven't been super in

1290
01:00:16,199 --> 01:00:18,280
love with. And I do think it's it. There are

1291
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:22,239
some pain points around, like sometimes I don't know where

1292
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,000
the hell I'm going, and a lot of places it'll

1293
01:00:25,039 --> 01:00:26,360
just be like you can't go in there, and so

1294
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,199
I'll have to repeat. I repeated a space like twice

1295
01:00:29,239 --> 01:00:32,840
looking for secrets, and I finally found one and realized,

1296
01:00:33,519 --> 01:00:35,639
you know, I had missed something. So that can be

1297
01:00:35,679 --> 01:00:36,679
a little frustrating.

1298
01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 3: Okay, well I'm curious. That sounds cool.

1299
01:00:40,559 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 2: They're like two point five d S five, so it

1300
01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:49,480
kind of remind me of Bloodstained. The art specifically, this

1301
01:00:49,559 --> 01:00:52,199
is more sci fi. It looks like futuristic, but it

1302
01:00:52,199 --> 01:00:54,400
does remind me a bit of Bloodstained. How they use that,

1303
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,079
I don't even know what engine that would have been, but.

1304
01:00:57,239 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: I agree, and it's it's cool to see people play

1305
01:01:00,199 --> 01:01:04,400
with this style. I appreciate that connection because the two

1306
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,920
D three D is the biggest crossover here. They look

1307
01:01:08,079 --> 01:01:11,960
very different. But what you're essentially saying is like your

1308
01:01:12,039 --> 01:01:14,719
character looks very different than the background, and it doesn't

1309
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,760
feel like it should work, but it does.

1310
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 2: It does. Yeah, the camera's not completely tracking your character.

1311
01:01:21,519 --> 01:01:24,159
It's actually pulled out and kind of like tilted in

1312
01:01:24,239 --> 01:01:26,159
to look at them from certain angles. So you can

1313
01:01:26,199 --> 01:01:30,239
actually see the sides of some geometry environment, which can

1314
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,599
look ugly in some games, but I think when it's

1315
01:01:32,599 --> 01:01:38,440
done well, it's attractive. Yeah, Dan, you played a round

1316
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,000
of High Guard, the multiplayer game.

1317
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,119
Speaker 1: Everybody's talking about her.

1318
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 3: Tell us that's what I hear. Yeah, is Mary? Is

1319
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,119
it mostly All I know is that people are talking

1320
01:01:50,159 --> 01:01:55,119
about it. Is it mostly bad or mostly good or mixed?

1321
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: I think that I don't think this will color your

1322
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,239
opinion at all. I think it is mostly bad and

1323
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,119
it is and it is so volatile that if you

1324
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,280
like it, I feel like gamers will come for you.

1325
01:02:05,639 --> 01:02:07,639
Speaker 2: It's weird. I think that's.

1326
01:02:07,519 --> 01:02:12,599
Speaker 1: Still enronments for people. But I have not heard. Yeah,

1327
01:02:12,679 --> 01:02:16,719
it's been a tough launch. Is the vibes that I'm

1328
01:02:16,719 --> 01:02:19,119
getting from this game? So what was your experience.

1329
01:02:19,519 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 3: Uh it's one of those games that a lot of

1330
01:02:22,199 --> 01:02:25,199
online multiplayer games seem to be these days to me,

1331
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,760
which is in the genre of Okay, uh, spend the

1332
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,280
first few minutes of the round doing a bunch of

1333
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,519
boring chores and then something changes and then you go

1334
01:02:34,639 --> 01:02:35,880
die and then you.

1335
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 2: Wait to do it again.

1336
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 3: Uh so I yeah, no, that's cool.

1337
01:02:43,599 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1338
01:02:44,199 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 3: I very quickly was like I just don't get like,

1339
01:02:47,039 --> 01:02:49,239
even like good ones and these like this, this is

1340
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,400
well made. Like when I was doing the tutorial, I

1341
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,199
was like, this looks good, this feels good. I like

1342
01:02:53,239 --> 01:02:56,519
shooting these guns. I like it's got a you know,

1343
01:02:56,559 --> 01:02:59,960
like I love the feel of like Apex in titan Fall,

1344
01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:01,119
like I like, you know, I know a lot of

1345
01:03:01,159 --> 01:03:03,360
there's a through line of certain developers there, but like

1346
01:03:04,199 --> 01:03:07,920
I love titan Fall cause I don't know, the campaign

1347
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,840
was great and two and then the multiplayer gimmick was

1348
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,039
simple and worked where it's like, all right, you're these

1349
01:03:13,079 --> 01:03:17,079
pilots and these titans. It's multiplayer. It's it's pretty understandable.

1350
01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:20,360
And then like Apex was like, okay, it's this weird,

1351
01:03:20,519 --> 01:03:23,480
like I'm never going to play online with people really,

1352
01:03:23,559 --> 01:03:25,199
so like I don't like that you always have to

1353
01:03:25,199 --> 01:03:26,920
be in three person squads, and it was just like

1354
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,960
kind of confusing, and it was like they're pubg in Fortnite.

1355
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,440
I got into those because that's pretty straightforward. You drop

1356
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,239
onto a thing, you try to survive as long as

1357
01:03:35,239 --> 01:03:38,559
you can. I like that Apex. I recognized it was

1358
01:03:38,599 --> 01:03:40,280
well made, but it's like I don't there's just too

1359
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:42,599
much stuff going on here and this is like way

1360
01:03:42,639 --> 01:03:45,239
worse than that, where it's just like, Okay, I guess

1361
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,199
at the first phase, I need to put up reinforcing

1362
01:03:48,239 --> 01:03:50,960
walls on this building, and I don't really know why

1363
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:52,639
or where. I'm sure there's a reason to. I mean,

1364
01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:54,800
if I played more, I'm sure I would learn what

1365
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:56,880
I was doing. But like when it's not fun at

1366
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,440
all to start out, I don't feel incentivized to keep going.

1367
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:01,760
So like you've enforce all these walls and then you

1368
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,960
go out and you're just like harvesting crystals, and then

1369
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,159
I guess you can buy stuff from vendors, and then

1370
01:04:07,239 --> 01:04:09,079
it's like capture the flag for a little bit, and

1371
01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:12,079
then once you bring a shield breaker's sword to someone's dome,

1372
01:04:12,159 --> 01:04:14,000
it breaks their dome open. Then you can try to

1373
01:04:14,039 --> 01:04:16,159
breach walls, and then it turns into like a search

1374
01:04:16,159 --> 01:04:18,039
and destroy a thing where there's a and it it's

1375
01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:20,480
just like I I knew I was gonna hate it

1376
01:04:20,559 --> 01:04:23,119
once the tutorial kept going and going and going. It's like,

1377
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,039
all right, you had me at the beginning when it

1378
01:04:25,079 --> 01:04:27,119
looked good and it felt good to play, and then

1379
01:04:27,159 --> 01:04:29,320
it's like you just keep explaining more and more shit,

1380
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:30,159
and it's like, all right, I'm done.

1381
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 2: I don't I have no interest in It's like a

1382
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:32,519
personal thing.

1383
01:04:32,599 --> 01:04:35,679
Speaker 3: Obviously shit like that's kind of popular now, but yeah,

1384
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:37,840
it's just the thing that makes me feel like, Okay,

1385
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,159
this has never been my thing, and I don't.

1386
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,639
Speaker 1: Think it should work. Like I love the idea of

1387
01:04:42,679 --> 01:04:47,119
mixing the magic and the bullets and everything, like did

1388
01:04:47,159 --> 01:04:49,519
you get to play as multiple people? Like how how

1389
01:04:49,559 --> 01:04:50,400
much did you play?

1390
01:04:50,639 --> 01:04:54,719
Speaker 3: I like around basically, and then I bailed on it

1391
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:57,400
pretty quick. But it's like it's not even just like

1392
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,039
like I was a big Twisted Metal fan and in

1393
01:05:00,159 --> 01:05:02,480
twenty twelve they brought it back and I was like,

1394
01:05:02,679 --> 01:05:05,519
fuck yeah, PlayStation three Twisted Metal. And then they did

1395
01:05:05,559 --> 01:05:08,719
this E three presentation where it was like okay, so

1396
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,400
this is our our Marquis mode where it's a multiplayer

1397
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,519
online where it's like, okay, you got to go around

1398
01:05:13,519 --> 01:05:15,800
and you got to like drag these clowns behind your car,

1399
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:17,519
and you got to load the clowns into a cannon,

1400
01:05:17,719 --> 01:05:19,599
and then you shoot the clowns at this like hiju

1401
01:05:19,679 --> 01:05:21,679
clown and then it's just like it's like whoa, whoa,

1402
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,880
we we had it, we had it. We just cars

1403
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:25,480
drive around and blow each other up. It doesn't need

1404
01:05:25,519 --> 01:05:28,000
to be much more complicated than that. And I just

1405
01:05:28,039 --> 01:05:32,239
don't like the over complication of things. I like simpler objectives.

1406
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:36,280
You know. It's why something like Doda or League I

1407
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:38,000
see that or I hear it explain, and I'm like,

1408
01:05:38,119 --> 01:05:40,280
this seems like the most miserable fucking.

1409
01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:41,039
Speaker 2: Thing I've ever heard in my life.

1410
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:44,239
Speaker 3: And it seems like a lot of that shit has permeated,

1411
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,280
like FPS and other genres and stuff like that, and

1412
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,159
whenever I see it, I'm out.

1413
01:05:49,239 --> 01:05:49,559
Speaker 2: I'm out.

1414
01:05:49,639 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 3: It's like, I know some people like it. I just

1415
01:05:51,559 --> 01:05:57,400
it's Mike. Mike is an anathema. Anathema. Yeah yeah, okay,

1416
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,000
yeah yeah. To me, it's I just fucking hate it.

1417
01:06:00,119 --> 01:06:02,639
So yeah, I got out real quick. I don't know

1418
01:06:02,679 --> 01:06:04,639
if other people are liking what it sounds like. They're

1419
01:06:04,639 --> 01:06:06,800
maybe not, but uh yeah, not for me.

1420
01:06:08,639 --> 01:06:11,559
Speaker 2: It doesn't sound like my thing either. I like a straightforward,

1421
01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:15,719
simple I like complex shooters, but like I like deep shooters.

1422
01:06:15,719 --> 01:06:17,239
This sounds like more that. Like they're trying to go

1423
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,199
like broad wide, a lot of rules, a lot of

1424
01:06:20,199 --> 01:06:24,599
different objectives like Rainbow six Siege, like get in, plant

1425
01:06:24,599 --> 01:06:25,920
a bomb at one of these two sites in a

1426
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:29,239
close quarter space, or kill everybody. Yeah, Mike, you you

1427
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,039
had to do that over and over and over again.

1428
01:06:31,159 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 3: You had a real period with Siege, and you got

1429
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,039
me playing some and I did like some Siege, like

1430
01:06:35,039 --> 01:06:36,440
I didn't think I was going to. But like, that's

1431
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:40,000
the thing with Siege is that the objective was simple enough.

1432
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:42,480
The complexity and the stuff you can really get good

1433
01:06:42,519 --> 01:06:45,599
at is through learning the different operators and their skills

1434
01:06:45,639 --> 01:06:46,960
and the way they can play off each other and

1435
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:48,559
things like that. And I think that's cool. It's like

1436
01:06:48,559 --> 01:06:50,199
you're winding like Soul Caliber, like you want to get

1437
01:06:50,239 --> 01:06:51,679
in there and match buttons, You're gonna have a good time,

1438
01:06:51,679 --> 01:06:53,440
play good fighting game, or if you want to go

1439
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,800
in there and spend five hundred hours and all these tutorials,

1440
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,559
you know, like learning everyone's combos and everything, like, you

1441
01:06:58,559 --> 01:07:01,199
can enjoy it on several different levels where I don't know,

1442
01:07:01,239 --> 01:07:03,239
like a mobile type thing or something like There's it

1443
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,039
feels like you have to be a specific type of

1444
01:07:05,039 --> 01:07:07,239
person who plays a specific type of way to enjoy it,

1445
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,400
and I just don't find that stuff accessible or fun.

1446
01:07:09,599 --> 01:07:13,519
Speaker 2: You know. The objective of chess is very simple. Yeah,

1447
01:07:13,599 --> 01:07:17,039
each of the different pieces has many, many layers and complexities.

1448
01:07:17,239 --> 01:07:19,480
Like I think the best games, like the rule sets

1449
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:23,719
are pretty easily explainable quickly. It's the more like the depth,

1450
01:07:23,719 --> 01:07:26,440
the more you repeat and play it, the death comes out. Yeah.

1451
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:26,800
It's like.

1452
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 3: Every board game is like that now. Every time I

1453
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:31,679
feel like I've ever sat down to play a board game,

1454
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,760
it's like it's not fucking guess who anymore. It's just like,

1455
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:37,840
all right, you have six super tokens and three minor tokens,

1456
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:39,920
and you are able and tell you're good, and then

1457
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,079
you if you flip this crystal to its left side,

1458
01:07:42,079 --> 01:07:44,840
then it's this, but if it's December, then you're a Gemini.

1459
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:46,639
And it's like, I don't.

1460
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 2: I have a certain person who listens to this podcast,

1461
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:56,400
it's my wife will hear this and she'll know exactly

1462
01:07:56,440 --> 01:08:00,360
who I'm talking about. But we both know someone. You know.

1463
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:02,760
Like a few months ago, we were staying with them

1464
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:06,519
at their place and they're like, so, do you want

1465
01:08:06,519 --> 01:08:07,960
like a really in depth board game or do you

1466
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:09,480
want to do something? I was like, we just like,

1467
01:08:09,519 --> 01:08:11,360
you know, we took trains to get here. We want

1468
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:15,039
something relaxed, have a few ture total totally. So they

1469
01:08:15,039 --> 01:08:17,600
bring out like three options and they're walking us through

1470
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:20,560
the options and I'm like, oh, sorry, we said we

1471
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:22,600
wanted the simple ones. He's like, oh these are I was.

1472
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:28,600
Speaker 3: Board game people under. I think they've got lost and

1473
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:29,439
I know when.

1474
01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 2: You love something, and like, these people also don't get

1475
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:33,920
a ton of chances to play like board games with

1476
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:37,600
people who appreciate games. So like I was like, all right, game.

1477
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:39,279
Speaker 1: People love bringing out the board game.

1478
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:44,239
Speaker 2: It's I get it. It's like their board games are

1479
01:08:44,279 --> 01:08:48,199
my like super interesting bottles of bougeleet that you probably

1480
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:52,399
I've gotten my thing too, but oh my god, yeah,

1481
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:56,560
board game people. I applaud them because I I can't

1482
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,159
do it every time. I'm up for the coffee in

1483
01:08:59,199 --> 01:09:01,279
the morning when I have the day to learn something

1484
01:09:01,319 --> 01:09:03,000
and that's all we're doing. But like late at night,

1485
01:09:03,039 --> 01:09:06,439
I'm like, no, guys, like Checkers would be fine right now,

1486
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:10,039
that would be great because respect for it.

1487
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:13,680
Speaker 1: There's so many good ones, and you have to be

1488
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,479
open to them, right Like you could find your next

1489
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:19,680
favorite game through one of these things. You just have

1490
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,600
to be, to Mike's point, in the right head space.

1491
01:09:23,159 --> 01:09:28,119
I have been tricked before. I think Wingspan is great,

1492
01:09:28,199 --> 01:09:30,880
So this is not a I don't like Wingspan. I

1493
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,359
just want to say that I feel like there are

1494
01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:36,520
probably mothers out there that were disappointed when they were

1495
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,680
like excited to play a board game about birds and

1496
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:41,520
then found out that there were four hundred rules. Yes, yeah,

1497
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:46,079
I just thought it was cool to have eggs way eggs,

1498
01:09:46,119 --> 01:09:48,199
and then I was like, shit, this is extreme. This

1499
01:09:48,279 --> 01:09:50,279
is way more complicated than I was prepared for.

1500
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 3: That's another example. It's like these are all like good,

1501
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:54,399
these aren't like like a lot of these things are

1502
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:56,960
good and they're popular for a reason. But like Wingspan,

1503
01:09:57,039 --> 01:09:58,479
I heard everyone talking about it and I was like,

1504
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:00,239
all right, oh, and a lot of people should just that.

1505
01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:00,520
Speaker 2: It's me.

1506
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:01,319
Speaker 3: It's like oh me and bonk.

1507
01:10:01,359 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 2: You know.

1508
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,640
Speaker 3: Sometimes we'll play like it is good. Yeah, it's a

1509
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:05,840
great game. Yeah, and we bought it and we did

1510
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:07,600
some one on one with it and stuff. But it's

1511
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:09,760
like most of the time it's just like, okay, So

1512
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:11,960
then if you are in the swamp, you can do

1513
01:10:12,039 --> 01:10:14,119
this type of bran and if you have this bird,

1514
01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:16,560
it can if you have six eggs, then it can

1515
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:20,199
land on the shoulders of a grass bird. And it's like,

1516
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:24,680
oh my god, it's just I code names. It's wavelength.

1517
01:10:25,159 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 1: Like these are like Wavelength is good.

1518
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 3: I like games where it's like you got a party together.

1519
01:10:29,079 --> 01:10:31,119
There's six people that want to squirrel away into this

1520
01:10:31,199 --> 01:10:34,159
room or whatever. It takes fucking four minutes, and then

1521
01:10:34,199 --> 01:10:37,279
the game is about talking and having a fun like

1522
01:10:37,359 --> 01:10:40,359
social time, and like Wavelength is like debating about like

1523
01:10:40,399 --> 01:10:42,560
you know, like having a conversation with something and not

1524
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:45,600
just like dealing with a million chotch keys and shit,

1525
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,520
you know, and rules like that drives me insane.

1526
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 1: I think I agree with you. Someone gave me Wavelength

1527
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,159
as a gift and it is my number one when

1528
01:10:57,159 --> 01:10:59,760
I'm like, oh I need something to do with six people.

1529
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:03,119
To Wavelength is great. You're gonna have a good time,

1530
01:11:03,119 --> 01:11:05,600
You're gonna have fun, And I don't think it's stresses well,

1531
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:07,159
actually it will stress people out when they have to

1532
01:11:07,239 --> 01:11:10,800
choose what the thing is. Yeah, but if yeah, if

1533
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:12,640
people were like I want a board game and I

1534
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:15,079
want something different and I haven't played a board game

1535
01:11:15,119 --> 01:11:19,279
since Apples to Apples, I would say Wavelength is the

1536
01:11:19,399 --> 01:11:22,439
number one easy. It's not so easy, but it's it's

1537
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:29,359
easy gaming. Yeah, you have to be able to read.

1538
01:11:30,199 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 3: Well, Like, how the fuck did Dungeons and Dragons ever

1539
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:34,640
get popular at all? Because it seems like the most

1540
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:36,000
complicated thing on the planet.

1541
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 1: Weirds, but.

1542
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:42,560
Speaker 2: Dungeons and Dragons, like similarly, is more just a vehicle

1543
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:44,479
for people to tell a comedicals story.

1544
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:48,039
Speaker 3: There are books of like, well, here's the six chapters

1545
01:11:48,039 --> 01:11:50,439
about what the dexterity number means if you roll like

1546
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:53,520
it is. Every time I've sat down, it just seems

1547
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:55,199
like the most complicated thing ever. And I have no

1548
01:11:55,279 --> 01:11:58,520
idea how people hYP parties and get togethers where it's

1549
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:00,239
like this is what we do, Like you you know

1550
01:12:00,359 --> 01:12:01,840
five people who know how this works.

1551
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 2: How the fuck did you meet that well that they

1552
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:05,159
took the time as a group to get to know

1553
01:12:05,239 --> 01:12:07,119
it and like they have a good DM. Like there's

1554
01:12:07,119 --> 01:12:11,720
a difference between like playing. People have parties where the

1555
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:13,840
objective of the party is to play that game, whereas

1556
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,319
wavelength is something that you can bust out on a

1557
01:12:16,359 --> 01:12:17,760
whim at a party and people.

1558
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 1: Want to here like uncle that you don't really know

1559
01:12:20,119 --> 01:12:21,880
super well, but like you want to be able to

1560
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:23,840
have with them.

1561
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:26,720
Speaker 2: Aunt Nancy, how to play Dungeons and Dragons.

1562
01:12:27,279 --> 01:12:28,640
Speaker 3: When I think of a party, I think a lot

1563
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:30,880
of people of just different Like, you know, if I

1564
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:34,880
have a party here, people who don't play video games period,

1565
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,079
you know, where it's like I can't imagine having a

1566
01:12:37,079 --> 01:12:38,840
party where it could be confident enough to be like, hey,

1567
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:40,960
all of you, let's come play Dungeons and Dragons. You

1568
01:12:41,039 --> 01:12:41,960
all know how that works.

1569
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,199
Speaker 1: Do not play Dungeons and Dragons. No one does that.

1570
01:12:45,399 --> 01:12:48,119
Speaker 2: No one does that. They have planned nights where they

1571
01:12:48,119 --> 01:12:51,159
are like, hey, let's play Dungeons and Dragons on like

1572
01:12:51,239 --> 01:12:53,319
on Tuesday nights. And there are a group that knows how.

1573
01:12:53,199 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 1: To play Dungeons and Dragons.

1574
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 2: What's more comparable party and says like who knows how

1575
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:00,399
to play it? Here? That's my point is that they're

1576
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,359
very different kinds of game dedicated to games. My point

1577
01:13:03,359 --> 01:13:04,680
which was refuting you.

1578
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:09,239
Speaker 3: Don't, I just I am standing firm in the fact

1579
01:13:09,239 --> 01:13:11,399
that I think Dungeons and Dragons is the most confusing

1580
01:13:11,399 --> 01:13:13,199
and weird thing I've ever seen in my entire life.

1581
01:13:13,279 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 2: It's kind of.

1582
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 3: Flat down and apparently I played it with like world

1583
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,520
class caliber dms and stuff where everyone's like, oh, you

1584
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:23,319
play with like like Austin Walker is supposed to be

1585
01:13:23,319 --> 01:13:25,840
tremendous at it, and I believe them, but like I've

1586
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:28,279
played with him, and it's just like every time do

1587
01:13:28,319 --> 01:13:29,680
I what does this mean? How do I do? What

1588
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:30,039
do I do?

1589
01:13:30,239 --> 01:13:30,319
Speaker 5: Like?

1590
01:13:30,359 --> 01:13:33,359
Speaker 3: Oh, I just make the Like I just don't understand

1591
01:13:33,359 --> 01:13:35,359
what the point of it is. I don't understand how

1592
01:13:35,359 --> 01:13:37,840
to win. I don't understand how you can play with

1593
01:13:38,039 --> 01:13:40,720
no board and sometimes there's a board, and then there's

1594
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:42,640
a company that makes it. But it's also just a

1595
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:46,159
loose cloud of ideas, Like none of it makes any

1596
01:13:46,199 --> 01:13:48,439
fucking sense. How does just the exist If it's just

1597
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:49,680
like you can do whatever you want.

1598
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:53,239
Speaker 2: It's improv the game. It's an engine for communal storytelling.

1599
01:13:53,279 --> 01:13:55,239
I don't think the objective is to win is to

1600
01:13:55,279 --> 01:13:59,439
tell this long form story together to what happens. Someone like,

1601
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:02,000
why are you watching the Sopranos, because you don't win

1602
01:14:02,119 --> 01:14:06,199
by watching the game. But the show, I know, But

1603
01:14:06,239 --> 01:14:10,359
like the point is it's you're seeing it's.

1604
01:14:09,199 --> 01:14:11,560
Speaker 1: The show.

1605
01:14:12,399 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 3: Or whatever.

1606
01:14:13,399 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 1: Yes, but it's like cinematic and explorative. It's like it's

1607
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:18,079
like acting out of play.

1608
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,760
Speaker 3: Yes, they go to your local theater and audition.

1609
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:22,399
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1610
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 1: I can stare you. You're one of the biggest dorkiest

1611
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,279
nerds out there. Stare you hat on.

1612
01:14:30,199 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 2: This giant fucking nerd. It's not you are stupid thing.

1613
01:14:35,159 --> 01:14:37,399
Speaker 1: It's not stupid, you're ignorant.

1614
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that is That is what I was getting toward.

1615
01:14:42,079 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 3: No, I think it's domb and no one should like it.

1616
01:14:44,079 --> 01:14:51,520
Speaker 5: Dan, listen, this is your this is your snow is plastic.

1617
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,880
You are embarrassing yourself and someone is going to clip

1618
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,640
you and say that this moron doesn't.

1619
01:14:57,399 --> 01:15:00,680
Speaker 1: Know about this world. And there a long time your

1620
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:03,880
conspiracy theory and you were gonna You've embarrassed yourself.

1621
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 3: I'm happy for all the people who like getting around

1622
01:15:06,039 --> 01:15:08,039
and pretending they're playing a game with rules when it's

1623
01:15:08,079 --> 01:15:10,640
just weird and fantasy Lord of the Rings time. But

1624
01:15:11,279 --> 01:15:12,680
it's just it's nonsense.

1625
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 1: Mike. You're playing Shadow, gambit, let's talk about it.

1626
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:19,399
Speaker 2: I know. I was about to do the thing where

1627
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:21,119
I point out to Dan that wrestling has a lot

1628
01:15:21,119 --> 01:15:24,439
of the same aspects, but let's skip. That sucks now.

1629
01:15:24,319 --> 01:15:27,159
Speaker 1: Too, Okay, well you're kind of suck.

1630
01:15:28,279 --> 01:15:38,520
Speaker 2: Oh hear that. Yeah, I've been playing Shadow, But again,

1631
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,359
I talked about it last episode. That game is still incredible.

1632
01:15:41,399 --> 01:15:43,520
It still makes me said that, Mimi, me games are

1633
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:50,680
gone incredible. Isometric, top down stealth game, really creative characters.

1634
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:53,560
I'm unlocking characters in a very different order than I

1635
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:55,520
did the first time I played it, which is cool

1636
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:58,880
that you could do that. Similar to Wild Bastards. You

1637
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,239
guys played that, you know how the first the first

1638
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:04,880
that game, the first run, you unlock the characters at

1639
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:08,439
a certain order and then it becomes randomized. This one,

1640
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:11,600
you unlock the same there's the main character who is

1641
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,920
the navigator, but then after that you can revive these

1642
01:16:15,039 --> 01:16:18,319
undead pirates in any order you want. For the most part,

1643
01:16:18,039 --> 01:16:20,439
there's a few point points where they're like you have

1644
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:23,520
to pick from this pool. But it's playing really differently

1645
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:25,439
with these different character and playing on a higher difficulty.

1646
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:26,600
I'm enjoying it.

1647
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:32,079
Speaker 1: There's different ones. What do you mean, Shadow Gambit, Cursed Cruse,

1648
01:16:32,199 --> 01:16:34,520
Shadow Gambit, Yuki's wish, Shadow.

1649
01:16:34,199 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 2: Gambit, Curse Crew is the game the latter two? You

1650
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:41,720
mentioned our DLCs with new.

1651
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,319
Speaker 1: Characters, Okay, thank you and missions?

1652
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:47,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, incredible game. I think I said this last time.

1653
01:16:47,239 --> 01:16:50,119
But if you're someone who really likes first person immersive

1654
01:16:50,159 --> 01:16:56,239
sims like Dishonored or Prey, or you played h Dark

1655
01:16:56,359 --> 01:17:00,439
Messiah way back in the day or Thief, I this

1656
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:03,640
is essentially kind of an immersive sim. Definitely more heavily

1657
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:08,159
stealth focused than a lot of those where you can

1658
01:17:08,199 --> 01:17:10,880
be stealthy, but it's an option. This one's very much

1659
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:14,119
about stealth and uh, but it's you know, top down isometric,

1660
01:17:14,159 --> 01:17:20,239
incredible maps, vibrant locales, some some fun character writing. It

1661
01:17:20,279 --> 01:17:21,840
ever gets in the way halts the momentum with the

1662
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:25,880
game though, also just kind of a puzzle game really

1663
01:17:26,199 --> 01:17:29,039
like it's it's less immersiontive, more like a puzzle stealth game.

1664
01:17:29,079 --> 01:17:31,119
But I say immersive sim because there's a lot of

1665
01:17:31,119 --> 01:17:36,439
ways you can interact with the environment and approach objectives differently. Yeah,

1666
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:38,399
I don't think i'd recommend it to either of you.

1667
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:40,600
It's then I think it's too stealth focused for you.

1668
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:43,760
Very same thing. I don't think you like stealth games

1669
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:44,279
all that much.

1670
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:47,720
Speaker 1: I struggle with stealth, but sometimes I can get into it.

1671
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:50,000
But I this looks very I'm like looking at the

1672
01:17:50,079 --> 01:17:52,880
gameplay and it's got the cone of vision everywhere, so

1673
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:54,800
it looks like it's very stealth focused.

1674
01:17:55,359 --> 01:17:58,560
Speaker 2: No, it's awesome. I love it. Yeah, me me, me games.

1675
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:00,520
They put out the two DLCs for it, and then

1676
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:04,359
they're basically like, we're fucking tired because they made Desperados three,

1677
01:18:04,399 --> 01:18:09,840
which is incredible, and Shadow Tactics, which was feudal Japan

1678
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:11,800
and you had like a ninja and a sniper. That

1679
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:15,079
was the first that was also good, one of my

1680
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:19,199
one of the biggest bummers of a studio closure, although

1681
01:18:19,279 --> 01:18:22,039
it was self imposed. I still wish they were making

1682
01:18:22,119 --> 01:18:25,359
another game of some sort. Don't know where they are now,

1683
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:27,239
but yeah, that's mainly what I've been playing. I've been

1684
01:18:27,239 --> 01:18:30,560
playing stuff for work that I can talk about in

1685
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,840
a few months or something. Probably that's been most of

1686
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:37,319
my time. So more on that. I guess down the road.

1687
01:18:38,159 --> 01:18:40,600
But Mary, you played other stuff beside MEO, right, I

1688
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:42,159
have a couple quick ones.

1689
01:18:43,039 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 1: One I played a game called Deepest Sword, which I

1690
01:18:47,159 --> 01:18:50,439
was thinking, Dan, when you do Blake Club, Like, what

1691
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:53,159
if the game is really quick, like twenty minutes, would

1692
01:18:53,199 --> 01:18:53,560
you do?

1693
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:56,520
Speaker 3: Like you have something called Blightning Round where that is

1694
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:00,119
like done in one episode, which was what Mike. I'm

1695
01:19:00,119 --> 01:19:01,880
not he was supposed to do with this current game,

1696
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:03,600
but I picked one that's probably gonna take him like

1697
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:04,479
eight hours.

1698
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:07,319
Speaker 1: So oh that's funny. Y Well, I think I have

1699
01:19:07,399 --> 01:19:10,039
like a mini one for you, and it's the Deepest Sword.

1700
01:19:10,239 --> 01:19:12,399
This game is free, which I love. I always love,

1701
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:16,079
like Hawk in a nice free game. You can tell

1702
01:19:16,159 --> 01:19:19,439
this is like maybe like this is like an early

1703
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:21,760
on dev cycle game. This is not meant to be

1704
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:23,279
like a full on adventure, but it's we've got a

1705
01:19:23,279 --> 01:19:26,359
really cool premise. You're a night you need to kill

1706
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:31,960
a dragon, and your sword is not big enough to

1707
01:19:32,039 --> 01:19:35,119
get to the heart of the dragon, and so every

1708
01:19:35,159 --> 01:19:38,359
time they make your sword a little longer. But that

1709
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:41,600
makes you have to navigate the space completely differently because

1710
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:44,880
now you can't fit. Also, your character can't jump. This

1711
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:46,920
is kind of important, so you have to use the

1712
01:19:47,039 --> 01:19:51,119
sword to climb or to navigate a space. And by

1713
01:19:51,119 --> 01:19:52,479
the time you get to the end, and don't look

1714
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:54,520
it up, because again, this game isn't very long. It's

1715
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:56,960
like a basically it's like a free demo, but it's

1716
01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:00,319
like as you get through it, the sword gets so long.

1717
01:20:00,359 --> 01:20:02,279
You have to do these like totally wacky things in

1718
01:20:02,359 --> 01:20:04,560
order to beat this game. And I actually really liked

1719
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:07,199
it and thought it was very fun. But the first

1720
01:20:07,239 --> 01:20:10,520
time I realized how stuck I was with this giant sword,

1721
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:12,479
I was like laughing at myself. I think it's a

1722
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:13,319
cute little gimmick.

1723
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:16,039
Speaker 3: Every image I see is just this dragon with the

1724
01:20:16,079 --> 01:20:17,840
dude on his back trying to get the sword in there.

1725
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:22,640
Speaker 1: Yes, it is a bit horny, I will admit to you. Well,

1726
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:26,199
it is the euphemism, right.

1727
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:28,720
Speaker 2: Sword.

1728
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:32,640
Speaker 1: And the I know there's a bit of fan service

1729
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:35,319
with you with the dragon, because when you put your

1730
01:20:35,319 --> 01:20:37,560
sword in the dragon, the dragon will say like is

1731
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:41,399
it even in? And then it'll flight you up, and

1732
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:43,760
then you get a longer sword because eventually you need

1733
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:46,840
to get the longest sword to the deepest sword to

1734
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:48,000
get it in.

1735
01:20:48,159 --> 01:20:51,520
Speaker 2: To kill the dragon euphemism some short I got the

1736
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,239
fucking and I'm just looking at the pretty clear I'm

1737
01:20:54,279 --> 01:20:58,079
looking at the clip at the I'm looking at the

1738
01:20:58,079 --> 01:20:59,880
clip and it looks like at the beginning, right after

1739
01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:02,479
you press the stark key at the menu, the first

1740
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:07,199
dude is like venture deep into the cavern of longing. God,

1741
01:21:07,359 --> 01:21:08,159
I am an idiot.

1742
01:21:08,199 --> 01:21:11,039
Speaker 3: I would have it would not have even like registered

1743
01:21:11,159 --> 01:21:12,479
for me that that was a sex thing.

1744
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:19,039
Speaker 2: Along the dragon lies ahead resolve, Yeah, oh god, it's

1745
01:21:19,079 --> 01:21:21,479
almost like, what do you want to call it?

1746
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 1: It's a bit literal.

1747
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:26,560
Speaker 2: One of the games called where like climbing a hill

1748
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:32,079
or whatever. Celeste, no, oh, the Benefatti stuff, fadi in Yeah,

1749
01:21:32,359 --> 01:21:35,439
almost the movement sort of is it even in? And yes,

1750
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:37,119
she's given sex eyes, for sure.

1751
01:21:37,039 --> 01:21:39,560
Speaker 1: She's given sex eyes, but you can ignore that. What

1752
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:41,359
I think I would say is like, I think it

1753
01:21:41,399 --> 01:21:44,359
is a genuinely cool mechanic that you need your sword

1754
01:21:44,359 --> 01:21:46,520
in order to jump and traverse the space. But as

1755
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:49,600
your sword gets longer, it also becomes a hindrance. It

1756
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:52,359
gets to a point where it's like this sword is

1757
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:55,119
actually so annoying and now I'm stuck, and so it

1758
01:21:55,159 --> 01:21:58,239
has it has buttons to reset your character because you

1759
01:21:58,279 --> 01:22:01,720
will get stuck an environment with your sword. I found

1760
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:04,720
it frustrating and yet enjoyable, and it I just thought

1761
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:07,720
maybe it could be like a good blight experience to

1762
01:22:08,239 --> 01:22:10,560
try and get through this game in about twenty thirty minutes.

1763
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:11,600
It's very frustrating.

1764
01:22:12,079 --> 01:22:14,560
Speaker 3: Wow, that was sure, But it is. It's not a demo, right,

1765
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:15,359
It's fully released.

1766
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:17,680
Speaker 1: It's a game. It's a still game. I just I

1767
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:19,800
feel like it was kind of like a game jam

1768
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:23,960
game gotcha, Okay, if that makes sense. It's it's a released,

1769
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:28,960
free to play a game. The next one was a

1770
01:22:29,119 --> 01:22:31,600
Big Hops. I think you recommended this for me, Dan,

1771
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:33,359
So I did download it and play it, and I

1772
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:38,760
liked it. I haven't beaten it yet. I've started playing Meo,

1773
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:41,880
and I think that's like now that I've now that

1774
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:44,560
I've tasted Meo, it's like, Okay, this is a different world.

1775
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:47,439
But like what you said about Big Hops is still true.

1776
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:52,039
It's a fun, lighthearted platformer. It has it has some

1777
01:22:52,119 --> 01:22:54,640
weird physics you can like, it's just a little janky.

1778
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,199
I die a lot in the stupidest ways that I

1779
01:22:57,199 --> 01:23:00,520
think the game is like just slightly broken it is

1780
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:04,840
so cute and colorful and adorable, and I love the

1781
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:08,439
mechanics of unlocking locks with my tongue. They're like tiny

1782
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:11,760
little puzzles that are like BioShock puzzles, but you use

1783
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:15,760
your tongue to crack the code. It's sweet. Have you

1784
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:18,640
gone to the park where there's ropes and you use

1785
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:21,479
this goo and it connects two areas with a rope.

1786
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:23,239
Speaker 3: You must be further in me because I don't think

1787
01:23:23,239 --> 01:23:25,199
I've seen any lock puzzles or anything like that.

1788
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 1: It's it's a really neat thing that they've done to

1789
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:30,359
open the game up. So there's uh, they've had all

1790
01:23:30,359 --> 01:23:32,039
these different I know you've seen them and they're like

1791
01:23:32,119 --> 01:23:35,000
mushrooms and they let you jump, or they've had this, uh,

1792
01:23:36,159 --> 01:23:38,920
it doesn't matter. It goes up. And now you have

1793
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:41,199
a climbing vines so you can get yeah.

1794
01:23:41,399 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1795
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:45,039
Speaker 1: And now there's a new one and it's it's like

1796
01:23:45,079 --> 01:23:47,800
a googball and when you when you throw it, a

1797
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:52,560
rope automatically connects to spaces and so they'll throw you

1798
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:54,680
in a cavern with absolutely no way to get out

1799
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:56,600
and give you a bunch of gooballs. And so I'm

1800
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:59,880
making rope nets to climb out. It's kind of cool

1801
01:24:00,119 --> 01:24:02,000
you can make them the way you want to. I

1802
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:05,319
think it's neat. I think like, if I hadn't just

1803
01:24:05,359 --> 01:24:07,640
played Meo, I'd be like, what a great platformer for

1804
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:09,920
me to sink my teeth into. But now all I

1805
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:14,119
can do is play Meo. So if I were to

1806
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:19,800
pick a platformer Metroidvania Space to be, it would be Meo.

1807
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:22,720
And then finally, quarantine Zone. This is a weird one.

1808
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:27,880
I love zombie apocalypses, you guys know that, and I

1809
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:31,840
love any type of zombie games. So this is just

1810
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:35,720
a weird one where you're in a zombie outbreak. You're

1811
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:38,239
in a quarantine zone, and you're the scanner. Your job

1812
01:24:38,319 --> 01:24:41,399
is to scan people and decide whether or not they're zombies.

1813
01:24:42,199 --> 01:24:44,560
As a fantasy. I'm obsessed.

1814
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 2: I love it.

1815
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:50,159
Speaker 1: I love the idea. If their eyes are yellow, that's okay, fella.

1816
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:52,840
If their eyes are red, they gotta be dead. And

1817
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:55,479
so like, I've made all these little catchphrases to like

1818
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:58,479
let people in, I like decide whether or not if

1819
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:01,000
you send them to your death. Also, JANKI, if you

1820
01:25:01,079 --> 01:25:03,039
send them to your death, you can follow them and

1821
01:25:03,079 --> 01:25:06,640
watch them get murdered because you don't tell them. You're

1822
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:08,439
just like, you need to go to section D, bud

1823
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:10,359
and then he goes to section D and then he

1824
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:14,600
rag dolls and they kill him. There's lots of different

1825
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:18,199
devices that you need, and so each each day or

1826
01:25:18,239 --> 01:25:22,439
each section of the game, you progress with different items.

1827
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:24,479
At first, you're just checking their eyes and their skin,

1828
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:27,199
then you're checking their temperature. Then you can actually find

1829
01:25:27,199 --> 01:25:29,840
a device that goes under their clothes. There are sections

1830
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:33,520
where you're shooting zombies because they get in They mix

1831
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:35,760
it up a lot. I do think it's kind of

1832
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:37,520
it's just in general, I would just say it's just

1833
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:40,359
a little jank. It's it's obvious that it's really not

1834
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:45,880
fully baked. If you like fantasies of a zombie apocalypse

1835
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:51,119
and doing like a papers Please situation, yeah, you're like

1836
01:25:51,159 --> 01:25:55,439
deciding people's fate. There's no time limit. If you aren't sure.

1837
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:58,039
Sometimes the people will be in a gray area. They

1838
01:25:58,119 --> 01:26:00,239
might be a zombie, but they might be fine. You

1839
01:26:00,279 --> 01:26:02,520
can put them in quarantine and then check on them

1840
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:04,800
the next day and see if they've become a zombie,

1841
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:07,239
which is cool, but you can only put three people

1842
01:26:07,239 --> 01:26:09,319
into quarantine, so you have to be thoughtful. If you

1843
01:26:09,359 --> 01:26:12,079
put someone who's actually sick in the safe area, then

1844
01:26:12,079 --> 01:26:13,640
they light up your entire space that you have a

1845
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:15,439
zombie outbreak and a bunch of people that you saved

1846
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:18,159
get sick. If you kill people, that's also not good

1847
01:26:18,199 --> 01:26:20,199
because you need them. You get more points and more

1848
01:26:20,239 --> 01:26:22,119
money if you're like saving people, so you want to

1849
01:26:22,159 --> 01:26:25,520
save as many people as possible. I ended up getting

1850
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:29,680
really frustrated at a at a section where I was

1851
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:32,520
shooting zombies. I just don't think that that's where this

1852
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:36,319
game shines. It's not a shooter. It's not intended to be.

1853
01:26:36,359 --> 01:26:38,000
I don't even know why they added that part of

1854
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:42,399
this game. I'm here to scan people and determine whether

1855
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:44,680
or not they're sick enough for me to kill them,

1856
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:48,239
and I don't know. I don't think it's for me.

1857
01:26:48,359 --> 01:26:54,960
But I can appreciate a zombie apocalypse fantasy game, and

1858
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:56,039
that's exactly what this.

1859
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Speaker 2: Is, right, all right? I think that's everything. Do you

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guys want to talk about emails? Sure? Yeah, okay? As usually,

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you can ride into Fireescape Cast at firescape cast at

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01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:13,399
gmail dot com for questions you want read on the show.

1863
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:16,359
Got a bunch of new ones since the last episode

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starting twenty twenty six off in a strong way, Mary,

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do you want to read this first one? From Thomas?

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Speaker 1: Hello, Lovely Fire Escape Ease. I picked a hell of

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a month to do my first dry January. I've been

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replacing most of my alcohol intake with cava. Cava is

1869
01:27:36,239 --> 01:27:38,520
a root tea from the South Pacific that gives you

1870
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a nice, mellow buzz. It's relaxing, not intoxicating, there's no hangover,

1871
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and you can't have too much. On the flip side,

1872
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:47,279
it tastes like mud. It makes your lips and tongue numb,

1873
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and it takes quite a while to prepare and if

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you have to drink a lot of it on an

1875
01:27:52,039 --> 01:27:56,039
empty stomach because the effects are very slight. It's a

1876
01:27:56,079 --> 01:27:58,720
hard sell and a tough thing to explain to people

1877
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:01,159
who have never tried it. Do you have anything that

1878
01:28:01,199 --> 01:28:04,199
you do frequently that it's hard to explain or hard

1879
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to sell? Thanks to the podcast, love y'all, Joy is

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an act of resistance. Thomas from Northeast East Sorry I

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was gonna say Northeast Nord East Minneapolis.

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Speaker 2: I'm drink.

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Speaker 3: For you knows about those I live Northeast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, uh much love to you, Thomas. Uh, that's

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a cool that's a cool setup of like stuff that

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you that you feel like you struggle to sell people on.

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I will say, like, uh, speaking of tongue numbing, it

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wasn't until recent years. The last five years, I got

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01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:51,520
really into sesshuan peppercorns. Sashwan is a spice that numbs

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01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:55,840
your tongue, and it alters flavor profiles, so it can

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01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:59,640
make meat more savory, it can make beer taste like

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01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:03,600
apple juice. It just changes things. And I am so

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01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:07,000
obsessed with sesshuan and I will crush these bad boys

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into soups and into different dishes. Crushed, they look like seeds.

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Speaker 2: Ok.

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Speaker 1: You should google it, but they look like a crunchy,

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dry seed, which I think they are. They look like

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a peppercorn. How about like an open peppercorn?

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Speaker 2: Okay, assume.

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Speaker 1: And I keep them at my house specifically so that

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if I have hot pot, which I love, it's like

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01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:36,920
one of my favorite meals to make, I cram a

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01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:40,720
bunch of sesshuan in my tongue and rub them all

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01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:43,600
over my tongue until my tombs tongue is so numb

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01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:47,439
that I can't feel it. Then I have guess. I'm like,

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01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:49,880
you gotta put the jobs on your tongue, directly on

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01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:52,319
the tongue. You gotta mash them in the mash the

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01:29:52,359 --> 01:29:54,560
gou in your tongue, and then and then have a

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01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:56,800
sup of beer. It tastes like apple juice. And everyone's like,

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you're fucking weird, and I can't. I have a hard

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01:29:59,359 --> 01:30:03,680
time convincing people that it's so fun to mess with

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your tongues flavor profiles and to make things taste more

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like umami or like more savory. Everyone thinks I'm a freak.

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Speaker 2: I love no, you know what, I do that quite

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a bit with changing flavor profiles of food. That's literally

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what wine and food pairing is. But anyway, I love.

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Speaker 3: Mary brings them to New Orleans.

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Speaker 2: I love.

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Speaker 1: I will. I'll bring the baggie of them. You can't know.

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Speaker 2: It comes from the prickly ash tree, which is an

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01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:35,840
invasive species in states. It's not allowed and you have

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to quarantine it. What he's tree. But I'm you you can't.

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You can bring it.

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Speaker 3: I will try that, bring it, bring the neurons.

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Speaker 2: I'll try some.

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Speaker 1: I think it's great in a soup, Yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Mine is definitely meditation because it's the thing that's like

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helped me so much for so long with anxiety, and

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it's like it's something that like even if I don't,

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I have like a dedicated practice every day where I'm

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doing it for thirty minutes a day, and it's just

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the things I've learned through meditation and like just ways

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of thinking is it's very much just change the way

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I think.

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Speaker 2: And the way I deal with certain things.

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Speaker 3: But every time, like there's a certain type person where

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it's like, you know, they'll be asking about anxiety or

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01:31:17,279 --> 01:31:18,720
certain things, and ibody like, you know, what would really

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01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:21,600
help you is a meditation and people will be like, oh,

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there's no way I could ever do that. It's to

1941
01:31:23,359 --> 01:31:25,159
my mind's always going to a million different places. There's

1942
01:31:25,159 --> 01:31:26,319
no way I just be able to sit and think

1943
01:31:26,359 --> 01:31:28,960
about nothing for fifteen minutes. And it's like, that's the

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fucking point. It's not about thinking about nothing. It's about

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recognizing when the thoughts are coming into your head, acknowledging

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them and then letting them pass on by. It's and

1947
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:40,520
then like if somebody will even try it, it's always

1948
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:42,760
the same thing with certain types of people, where it's

1949
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:45,000
like I just kept having I just kept having different

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01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:46,640
thoughts stuff I couldn't just like clear my mind. It's

1951
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:48,600
like it's not about clearing your mind. It's not that's

1952
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:51,600
not what it is. There's just so many like misconceptions

1953
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:53,920
about it, and everyone thinks they're bad at it when

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01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:56,520
it's like, that is the fucking practice. It's like I've

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01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:59,319
meditated for over twenty years. I sit down to do it,

1956
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:01,560
I am still like sitting there thinking like, oh fuck,

1957
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I gotta return to that email. And it's like wait, nope, nope.

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01:32:03,479 --> 01:32:06,560
The practice is acknowledging that thought. Let it pass on by,

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01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:08,439
back to the breath, back to the body scan, whatever

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01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:11,039
I'm doing. That is the practice. That is doing a rep,

1961
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that is doing a bicep curl. That is like you're

1962
01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:15,720
not just sitting there with a clear mind for you know,

1963
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:17,880
thirty minutes on a pillow, Like that's not what it is.

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So it is just like if I can even get

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someone to try it, it's like they still think like

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I'm bad at it.

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Speaker 2: I could never do this.

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Speaker 3: That's just that's it's a practice. Something you got to

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01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:29,239
work on and you will get better at it and

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you will see the results and not that much time.

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Speaker 2: If if you give it a shot. But a lot

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01:32:33,039 --> 01:32:33,680
of people just.

1973
01:32:34,279 --> 01:32:35,079
Speaker 1: What do you do in it?

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01:32:35,159 --> 01:32:36,239
Speaker 2: Though? What do you mean?

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01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:38,239
Speaker 1: How do you do win?

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Speaker 3: I see what you're doing this goal I was.

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01:32:45,119 --> 01:32:54,319
Speaker 2: I was Dungeons and dragons just we both run nice one.

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01:32:56,359 --> 01:32:58,880
I meditated quite a bit on the West Coast. I

1979
01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:01,479
fell out of practice. But yeah, like I know exactly

1980
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:04,119
what you mean. It is like a muscle you need

1981
01:33:04,119 --> 01:33:07,520
to work out and maintain otherwise at atrophies. But if

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01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:10,520
I was to meditate tomorrow morning, I would suck. Yeah,

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01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:13,119
everything flying through my head would linger there and then

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01:33:13,119 --> 01:33:14,760
I'd think I would push away and then It'll be

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01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:16,560
like yeah, but like I would be better at it

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in three weeks if I do it consistent.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's because I meditate, is why I can. Like,

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01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:22,479
if I'm in a dentist chair or something that I

1989
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:24,000
used to not be able to, like, I would just

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avoid the dentists like the plague, and I still don't

1991
01:33:26,079 --> 01:33:28,079
like it. No one likes it, but I can go

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01:33:28,119 --> 01:33:30,000
in now and if it's like uh, they're kind of

1993
01:33:30,039 --> 01:33:32,319
just like doing something or drilling into something or whatever,

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01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:34,119
and like I'm tens enough and I'm like, oh God,

1995
01:33:34,159 --> 01:33:36,920
it's gonna hurt really be Like I will acknowledge that, like, oh,

1996
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:39,920
I'm having that thought that I'm anticipating pain, but that's

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01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:42,079
just the thought, that's not reality, And I'll kind of

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01:33:42,119 --> 01:33:43,720
let that go and I'll focus on my breath and

1999
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:45,159
I'm able to just kind of like like I can

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01:33:45,279 --> 01:33:48,199
feel the tension just leave every muscle in my body

2001
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:51,359
as I incorporate these things I've learned through meditation, Like

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01:33:51,399 --> 01:33:53,079
it is a tremendous skill to have.

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Speaker 1: That's great, Dan, That's like such a powerful skill, And

2004
01:33:57,199 --> 01:34:00,319
there's pieces in that that everybody probably does really too.

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01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:04,520
There are so many studies that show that naming a

2006
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:08,920
feeling helps alleviate it. So if there is a spider

2007
01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:13,399
in a room and everybody's like measuring how afraid people

2008
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:15,560
are of the spider, but then you ask everyone in

2009
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:17,960
the room, how are you feeling right now, and they say, oh,

2010
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:21,600
I'm afraid because of the spider, they're less afraid. Like,

2011
01:34:22,279 --> 01:34:25,680
naming the feeling helps you process the feeling. It's like

2012
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:30,600
basic psychology. But those are things that you're learning and practicing,

2013
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:34,960
and your practice I think you're wonderful.

2014
01:34:35,039 --> 01:34:37,880
Speaker 3: Your thoughts and feelings aren't reality, you know, like they

2015
01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:39,560
can be scary and everything, but like as soon as

2016
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:41,119
you realize, like, oh, this is just the thought, this

2017
01:34:41,199 --> 01:34:43,359
is in my head, this is that's not reality necessarily,

2018
01:34:43,359 --> 01:34:45,399
and like things you can learn through that.

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01:34:45,319 --> 01:34:48,119
Speaker 1: You know you are right to be afraid of pain.

2020
01:34:50,319 --> 01:34:52,159
Speaker 3: All come out and say I don't like pain either.

2021
01:34:52,359 --> 01:34:54,560
Speaker 1: I feel like that is a fair fight or flight

2022
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:58,399
response to me, Like, I'm also anxious in so many

2023
01:34:58,439 --> 01:35:00,640
people are anxious, and the dentist share it's such a

2024
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:04,600
miserable experience. But like, what I don't like is the

2025
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:08,680
high pitched weed noise. I don't I just don't like

2026
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:13,880
that in my head. Yeah, I don't want it in there.

2027
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:16,399
And so like obviously I wouldn't like the pain either.

2028
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:20,039
But the thing that I would struggle with meditation in

2029
01:35:20,079 --> 01:35:22,680
that situation is that there's a high pitched noise that's

2030
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:23,800
so distracting to me.

2031
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:26,039
Speaker 3: But it's a little different because like I'm not technically

2032
01:35:26,039 --> 01:35:29,119
like meditating. When I'm in the dentist chair, I'm saying

2033
01:35:29,239 --> 01:35:32,479
I'm taking I'm taking the things I've learned through meditation,

2034
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:36,079
the ability to not attach myself to thoughts, and so

2035
01:35:36,239 --> 01:35:39,399
through my meditation practice, when I'm in a situation like that,

2036
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:41,520
I can have that thought where I'm really tense, like

2037
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:43,359
oh this is about to hurt, and I can be like, wait, no,

2038
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:45,880
that's just a thought, and I can just let it go,

2039
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:47,520
let it just float on down the river there, and

2040
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:49,439
I can just feel my body relaxed, because like there's

2041
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:50,680
that's a good practice.

2042
01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:53,439
Speaker 1: It's great as it'd be fun though if you were

2043
01:35:53,439 --> 01:35:58,239
like I'm gone, they're drilling you, and you're like you're little,

2044
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:01,279
You're a little cloud body. He actually disappears.

2045
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:05,960
Speaker 3: Uh ast, Yeah, you just get the fuck out of there.

2046
01:36:06,199 --> 01:36:12,000
Speaker 1: You're in a taco bell. They're drilling you.

2047
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:15,119
Speaker 3: Your insurance was rejected in the fire sauce all over

2048
01:36:15,159 --> 01:36:16,000
my meditation pillow.

2049
01:36:16,199 --> 01:36:19,319
Speaker 1: You're ordering, you're ordering a kisadiya.

2050
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:24,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think mine. I mean, I don't think I'm

2051
01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:28,399
preaching the choir here with you two, especially after the

2052
01:36:28,439 --> 01:36:30,840
last episode when Dan was realizing he actually really likes

2053
01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:33,640
horror movies. But I think horror in general as a

2054
01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:37,359
broad genre, the people who get it get it, and

2055
01:36:37,399 --> 01:36:39,840
I realize it's probably bigger than ever now. But like

2056
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:42,239
I like reading horror. I like playing horror games, I

2057
01:36:42,239 --> 01:36:43,960
like watching horror movies, and a lot of people always

2058
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:45,560
like why do you The people who don't get it

2059
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:47,640
often are like, why do you like being scared? I'm like,

2060
01:36:48,199 --> 01:36:50,680
Cuz it's in a safe environment, and also it's cathartic,

2061
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:55,680
and it's like there's a power in projecting these very

2062
01:36:55,720 --> 01:37:00,199
primal emotions onto other characters in their situations. Especially. But

2063
01:37:00,239 --> 01:37:02,039
they're like, but the but like the world is fucked

2064
01:37:02,079 --> 01:37:03,520
right now, isn't it. Like don't you want to watch

2065
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:05,359
like some like a rom com or something. It's like no,

2066
01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:08,600
Like there is a way of processing emotions by watching

2067
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:10,439
these in a very powerful way. It almost is like

2068
01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:13,680
therapeutic in its own its own regard. But also I

2069
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:18,039
just I don't know, I'm drawn quite heavily to like

2070
01:37:18,279 --> 01:37:22,199
dark stories because then I I find the characters more

2071
01:37:22,199 --> 01:37:23,920
compelling when they're in these situations.

2072
01:37:24,159 --> 01:37:26,439
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you mentioned like scary things in safe environments.

2073
01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:28,039
That's the same thing where it's like, you know, I

2074
01:37:28,079 --> 01:37:30,279
fucking love roller coasters, and there's so many people that

2075
01:37:30,319 --> 01:37:32,239
are like, oh, why would you like, I don't understand,

2076
01:37:32,239 --> 01:37:34,439
Like it's so scary, and it's like, well, yeah, I mean,

2077
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:37,239
that's the thing. You get to experience this adrenaline in

2078
01:37:37,279 --> 01:37:39,479
this feeling of your brain being like this is dangerous,

2079
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:41,479
but you know you've got the bar there. You know

2080
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:42,359
you're not going to die.

2081
01:37:42,399 --> 01:37:42,600
Speaker 2: You know.

2082
01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:45,520
Speaker 3: It's like that's the appeal is like danger but you

2083
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:46,479
know you're actually safe.

2084
01:37:47,079 --> 01:37:51,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's that's not as hard as much of

2085
01:37:51,239 --> 01:37:53,319
a hard cell these days. But that's probably the one.

2086
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:56,840
Like I do get detractors. I'm like, hey, I'm not

2087
01:37:56,880 --> 01:37:59,800
saying it's for you. I'm just saying I think you

2088
01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:02,359
have a simplistic take on why I like it. Here's why.

2089
01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:03,680
The deeper reason I like it.

2090
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:07,520
Speaker 1: I think that that's really cool that hopefully you can

2091
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:10,520
convince a couple people like the number one reason is

2092
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:13,680
people like, why would you be stressed after a stressful

2093
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:16,119
day of work? And I was like, because if you

2094
01:38:16,159 --> 01:38:19,600
are watching someone get hacked to death, then who cares

2095
01:38:19,960 --> 01:38:25,439
that that email wasn't very smart? All of your worldly issues, Yeah,

2096
01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:26,640
all that shit has gone.

2097
01:38:27,119 --> 01:38:29,000
Speaker 2: When you watch a horror movie, you're not trapped in

2098
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:30,880
a house. You're not going to do the coagula to you.

2099
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:36,199
To an elderly person, you're fine. Some people are fine. Well,

2100
01:38:36,239 --> 01:38:41,079
thank you, Thomas, Dan, you want to do this one

2101
01:38:41,199 --> 01:38:42,920
from Lucas.

2102
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:45,239
Speaker 3: Yes, escapees. There's always been a fair amount of food

2103
01:38:45,279 --> 01:38:47,199
talk on this pot, but I'm wondering what fast food

2104
01:38:47,279 --> 01:38:50,560
is a bridge too far. I'd assume Mike is nearly everything,

2105
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:52,720
and Dan is probably nothing, and Mary might be somewhere

2106
01:38:52,720 --> 01:38:56,000
in between. For myself, it's Arby's. I blame the Simpsons

2107
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:57,840
in the talk of throwing raccoons over the fence and

2108
01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:01,079
letting Arby's worry about it. So they're sandwiches make me

2109
01:39:01,159 --> 01:39:03,279
uncomfortable for a reason. I've never been able to put

2110
01:39:03,279 --> 01:39:07,880
my Figer on love Lucas.

2111
01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:10,119
Speaker 2: Uh Arby's is assumption of.

2112
01:39:10,119 --> 01:39:12,760
Speaker 1: The three of us is interesting, don't you think? Is

2113
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:13,359
it accurate?

2114
01:39:14,399 --> 01:39:16,319
Speaker 2: No? I mean I don't. I don't think everything's too far.

2115
01:39:16,399 --> 01:39:18,319
I eat fast food. People assume like.

2116
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:22,359
Speaker 1: I'm not a low tolerance.

2117
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:25,840
Speaker 3: I definitely eat it very rarely. But I've never seen

2118
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:27,199
you turn your nose up at it. I have the

2119
01:39:27,199 --> 01:39:28,479
thing I would say, but for all we give you

2120
01:39:28,479 --> 01:39:30,359
ship for being like high flutin and stuff like, You've

2121
01:39:30,359 --> 01:39:33,119
never been one to like turn your nose up thinking.

2122
01:39:33,239 --> 01:39:35,840
Speaker 2: One of my favorite wine food pairings is Popeye's chicken

2123
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:36,800
sandwich and champagne.

2124
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:38,039
Speaker 3: We did that when you came here, and it was fine.

2125
01:39:38,039 --> 01:39:40,479
Speaker 2: It was great. Or Pepperini pizza and caviny frank like that.

2126
01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:43,960
I love high low pairings. But speaking of Arby's, really quick,

2127
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:47,520
and this kind of touches on Luke's question. I never

2128
01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:50,359
really loved Arby's and I never fully understood Arby's, and

2129
01:39:50,359 --> 01:39:53,000
I never understood how it got so big. Like I

2130
01:39:53,039 --> 01:39:56,079
feel like their whole, very specific thing was the roast

2131
01:39:56,079 --> 01:39:58,439
beef sandwich, and I've had a few of them and

2132
01:39:58,439 --> 01:40:01,560
they're good. But I grew up in Liverpool, New York.

2133
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:06,680
On Route fifty seven. There was a Arby's and a

2134
01:40:06,760 --> 01:40:09,600
Taco Bell right next to each other, like literally there

2135
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:13,399
was a curb dividing their drive throughs. So when my

2136
01:40:13,439 --> 01:40:15,079
parents just wanted to get fast food for the night

2137
01:40:15,079 --> 01:40:17,239
because they didn't want to make food for my mom

2138
01:40:17,279 --> 01:40:20,359
specifically didn't want to make food for five kids, they'd say, Hey,

2139
01:40:20,359 --> 01:40:22,520
we're doing Taco Bell slash Arby's. Let us know what

2140
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:25,039
you want. I would always do Taco Bell. I had

2141
01:40:25,039 --> 01:40:28,680
like two siblings who sometimes went with Arby's, but I

2142
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:34,880
always was a bit uncomfortable with the Arby's sandwich roast. Yeah,

2143
01:40:35,439 --> 01:40:37,279
it was just such a weird thing that people go

2144
01:40:37,319 --> 01:40:38,520
out of their way to buy. And this was like

2145
01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:39,960
huge nationwide chain.

2146
01:40:41,199 --> 01:40:44,720
Speaker 1: The hype like altern like everybody loved this roasty sandwich.

2147
01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:47,680
Speaker 2: Sort of like the sandwich just didn't look appetizing. And

2148
01:40:47,760 --> 01:40:49,640
I don't know if I was clairvoyant because I hadn't

2149
01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:52,760
seen these at the age of nine, but looking back,

2150
01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:55,159
it just looks like a stack of like labia on

2151
01:40:55,199 --> 01:40:57,600
a sandwich. And I never really got how that was.

2152
01:40:58,840 --> 01:40:59,960
I don't know. I didn't want to.

2153
01:41:00,079 --> 01:41:08,079
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm gay.

2154
01:41:08,439 --> 01:41:14,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike gets it, but I I never I don't know.

2155
01:41:14,399 --> 01:41:16,239
I don't know how Arby's got so big on like

2156
01:41:16,279 --> 01:41:17,880
such specific things, but like.

2157
01:41:18,079 --> 01:41:20,359
Speaker 3: They got the good they're the roast beef people, I mean,

2158
01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:23,279
and I still don't really you know, no one really

2159
01:41:23,279 --> 01:41:23,800
messes with them.

2160
01:41:25,039 --> 01:41:28,239
Speaker 2: It's so such a specific thing. No, But I don't

2161
01:41:28,239 --> 01:41:31,000
think there's any like bridge too far from me. I

2162
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:32,720
don't know if we're talking like health or just like

2163
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:33,600
gross or.

2164
01:41:33,960 --> 01:41:36,119
Speaker 3: I took it as like like blow you or something

2165
01:41:36,279 --> 01:41:40,279
like I I I guess saying that like there's nothing

2166
01:41:40,319 --> 01:41:42,880
I would like say absolutely not at I will say

2167
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:45,960
I've never liked Burger King, and like, I think the

2168
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:48,479
only time I would have Burger King is if like

2169
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:51,600
it's the only option, like if you're on a road

2170
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:53,319
trip and it's just like, fuck, we haven't had food

2171
01:41:53,319 --> 01:41:54,720
in a while, just whatever the next thing is.

2172
01:41:55,760 --> 01:41:58,520
Speaker 2: Okay, it is the lesser of the big three burger

2173
01:41:59,159 --> 01:41:59,600
fast food.

2174
01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:02,239
Speaker 3: I think it sucks. I think yeah mc McDonald's is

2175
01:42:03,239 --> 01:42:06,000
the standard. I think Wendy's is like a step up,

2176
01:42:06,239 --> 01:42:10,680
you know, like never frozen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're actually

2177
01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:14,199
my favorite. I'm very excited about this. So Bonk and

2178
01:42:14,279 --> 01:42:18,359
I the last sponsorship. Oh yeah, yeah we did Wendy's. Yeah,

2179
01:42:18,359 --> 01:42:22,479
that was great. Valk and I for the last few

2180
01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:24,840
years have done for Valentine's Day. We've done this like

2181
01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:29,479
really fancy, like prefixed, like very fine dining, James Beard

2182
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:32,680
Award winning thing, you know, like it it's great, but

2183
01:42:32,920 --> 01:42:36,000
we're about to be on a vacation where we're gonna

2184
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:37,760
have a lot of like fancy meals and stuff like that.

2185
01:42:37,880 --> 01:42:39,199
So it's like, oh, I don't want to like get

2186
01:42:39,239 --> 01:42:41,720
back to vacation and then like you know, they just

2187
01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:44,319
do another one of those you know it's gonna whatever.

2188
01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:47,159
So we're doing the thing. Yes, so we're doing the

2189
01:42:47,159 --> 01:42:49,439
White Castle thing where what's the way.

2190
01:42:49,319 --> 01:42:51,399
Speaker 1: Oh my god, where you could there's select locations that

2191
01:42:51,399 --> 01:42:54,279
are doing Valentine's Day at.

2192
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:55,000
Speaker 3: I don't even know how selected is, Like there were

2193
01:42:55,039 --> 01:42:57,199
a bunch around here that do. And you have to

2194
01:42:57,199 --> 01:42:59,560
make reservations and like I've always heard about this, You

2195
01:42:59,560 --> 01:43:01,960
make reserve and they like do a whole thing where

2196
01:43:01,960 --> 01:43:04,079
they have waiters come to your like thing like at

2197
01:43:04,079 --> 01:43:06,479
the White Castle, and they have like a special menu

2198
01:43:06,520 --> 01:43:09,399
and things like that. So we're gonna go to Applebee's

2199
01:43:09,399 --> 01:43:12,880
for cocktails beforehand and then we get reservations of White.

2200
01:43:14,319 --> 01:43:16,520
Speaker 2: Funny, I think it's gonna be awesome. So really looking

2201
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:20,119
forward good. Yeah, I'm not above the thing. I am above.

2202
01:43:20,159 --> 01:43:24,520
I will say, if I'm in a city I'm new

2203
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:27,079
to or just a like if I'm somewhere away from

2204
01:43:27,119 --> 01:43:30,920
home or even home, and I have the option between

2205
01:43:31,199 --> 01:43:33,880
like a local small business and I'm not just trying

2206
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:39,319
to posture here and a chain, I will do my utmost.

2207
01:43:39,560 --> 01:43:41,680
I will, to the best of my abilities do the

2208
01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:44,720
local thing. Or like if I went to when we

2209
01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:46,680
go to Minneapolis, it's not like I'm like, we gotta

2210
01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:50,520
go to fucking to be clear, I could crush Applebee's

2211
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:54,760
and Chili's. Chilies is a fucking national treasure. I will

2212
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:57,680
still it is a bridge too far to me if

2213
01:43:57,680 --> 01:44:01,479
I see like a Chili's next to like a I

2214
01:44:01,479 --> 01:44:04,359
don't know, like Minneapolis has a lot of good like faugh,

2215
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:07,319
I will do the fa every single time. Like if

2216
01:44:07,319 --> 01:44:09,920
I I would feel genuinely bad and it would be

2217
01:44:09,960 --> 01:44:11,439
a bitch too far if I went to the chain,

2218
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:12,359
sure over that.

2219
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:15,720
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. I did the same thing. I

2220
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:19,800
really avoid Starbucks like the plague. There's got to be

2221
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:22,319
a local coffee shop that's gonna taste so good, and

2222
01:44:22,720 --> 01:44:25,800
I just prefer to support like that whatever. That little

2223
01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:29,520
business is way more than the Starbucks. All drink Starbucks.

2224
01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:32,560
It's not like I won't drink Starbucks, but like I

2225
01:44:32,680 --> 01:44:34,840
just don't want to drink a Starbucks. I would rather

2226
01:44:34,920 --> 01:44:36,079
drink I also.

2227
01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:39,159
Speaker 3: Don't think I will like this is not the same

2228
01:44:39,199 --> 01:44:42,439
as like massive conglomerate versus mom and pop, but like

2229
01:44:42,479 --> 01:44:45,079
around here, it's like, yeah, Starbucks is everwhere, but also

2230
01:44:45,359 --> 01:44:48,560
Caribou Coffee is a local chain around here, and.

2231
01:44:48,720 --> 01:44:52,239
Speaker 2: I bring back great every after every game of the year.

2232
01:44:52,359 --> 01:44:55,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very similar to Starbucks, and they're everywhere here,

2233
01:44:55,279 --> 01:44:57,239
but it's like and like, I don't like have a

2234
01:44:57,359 --> 01:44:59,760
super strong feeling about this coffee versus that coffee. But like,

2235
01:44:59,800 --> 01:45:01,720
if a Cariboo and Starbucks next to each other here,

2236
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:03,840
I'm gonna do Cariboo. It's not a tiny little mom

2237
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:05,920
and pop. It's a chain, but it's a Minnesota chain,

2238
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:06,199
you know.

2239
01:45:06,680 --> 01:45:09,479
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, when I go to San Francisco, it's like, yeah,

2240
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:11,960
ideally I'll go to Phills for coffee. But I'm also

2241
01:45:12,039 --> 01:45:15,079
not above pets. Like I'm fine there.

2242
01:45:15,119 --> 01:45:17,479
Speaker 1: I like Petz, I like PILs too. Those are both good,

2243
01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:19,960
But I think those are both better than like ultimate

2244
01:45:20,039 --> 01:45:22,840
chains that are like everywhere of the same things and

2245
01:45:23,119 --> 01:45:27,039
have harmed their workers and now there's protests.

2246
01:45:26,600 --> 01:45:29,800
Speaker 2: Even putting even putting principles aside. I don't think Starbucks

2247
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:31,399
makes good coffee.

2248
01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:36,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, workers, people, it's all about the coffee days. Yeah,

2249
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:38,479
I want that coffee.

2250
01:45:38,520 --> 01:45:41,199
Speaker 2: Good. Fucking robots can make my coffee. It's got a

2251
01:45:41,239 --> 01:45:44,279
taste good. I don't give a fuck about the employment.

2252
01:45:44,359 --> 01:45:45,479
I was joking. It goes to like.

2253
01:45:45,399 --> 01:45:46,800
Speaker 3: Beer and liquor and stuff too. It's like, you know,

2254
01:45:46,800 --> 01:45:48,960
I just showed you we got an email from NORDIAUS Minneapolis.

2255
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:50,800
It's literally I'm drinking grain Belt right now.

2256
01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:52,079
Speaker 2: Like I I think that's it.

2257
01:45:52,520 --> 01:45:55,319
Speaker 1: What a local What a local bro you are?

2258
01:45:55,760 --> 01:46:00,079
Speaker 3: You know there's local distilleries and stuff like that, and

2259
01:46:00,159 --> 01:46:01,640
I'm not even like it's not even a tasting. I

2260
01:46:01,640 --> 01:46:03,880
don't have the palette necessarily for like, I couldn't tell

2261
01:46:03,880 --> 01:46:06,319
you the differences carily between a nord East and some

2262
01:46:06,640 --> 01:46:08,640
chain beer who chains not the word, but you know,

2263
01:46:08,680 --> 01:46:09,680
like a big national brand.

2264
01:46:10,039 --> 01:46:10,840
Speaker 2: I just I don't know.

2265
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:11,800
Speaker 3: I'm gonna buy a beer.

2266
01:46:12,439 --> 01:46:14,479
Speaker 2: This is my home. I'd like to buy a local one,

2267
01:46:14,479 --> 01:46:17,680
you know. Yeah, don't fucking drink Camus or the Prisoner.

2268
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:20,439
You could spend less money on better wine from smaller

2269
01:46:20,479 --> 01:46:23,159
producers who are breaking their backs to make better wine,

2270
01:46:23,159 --> 01:46:26,640
you fucos. I would like. There are people in the

2271
01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:29,800
video game industry, developers of games that I love, who

2272
01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:31,760
are like, oh my god, I love Camus. I'm like, Okay,

2273
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:33,680
if you like it, then like it, but also don't

2274
01:46:33,680 --> 01:46:35,680
act like it's this cool little niche thing. It's that

2275
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:40,800
is the like fucking McDonald's of Napa cab. I'm venting

2276
01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:42,239
about something very specifically.

2277
01:46:42,680 --> 01:46:44,319
Speaker 1: How much is it? Is it expensive?

2278
01:46:44,479 --> 01:46:46,880
Speaker 2: Like sixty bucks for their entry level wine and you're

2279
01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:49,439
spending you could spend less money out. Oh, it's so

2280
01:46:49,479 --> 01:46:50,039
annoying to me.

2281
01:46:50,119 --> 01:46:52,680
Speaker 3: Oh you know, you know who else I know likes

2282
01:46:52,680 --> 01:46:54,680
to drink locally. It's a it's Mike Manati.

2283
01:46:54,800 --> 01:46:57,439
Speaker 1: I'm getting fucking ad.

2284
01:47:01,880 --> 01:47:06,159
Speaker 2: Is not the one you meant to press?

2285
01:47:06,279 --> 01:47:06,840
Speaker 3: Local place?

2286
01:47:06,920 --> 01:47:09,399
Speaker 2: That's where did I send you? We're getting a we

2287
01:47:09,479 --> 01:47:11,600
might be getting Rainforest Cafe in my neighborhood.

2288
01:47:11,720 --> 01:47:12,960
Speaker 3: Oh god, he'll be there.

2289
01:47:13,479 --> 01:47:16,039
Speaker 2: It used to be this fucking oh speaking of a

2290
01:47:16,039 --> 01:47:18,520
bridge too far. I'm so fucking happy the place that

2291
01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:22,000
shut down, and it technically was a local business, but

2292
01:47:22,079 --> 01:47:25,680
like they lost their soul. They would sell a thousand

2293
01:47:25,800 --> 01:47:30,479
dollars version of their Buffalo Wings with quote unquote gold

2294
01:47:30,520 --> 01:47:33,199
flakes on them as this like Instagram flex and they

2295
01:47:33,239 --> 01:47:37,319
shut down and from funk off with that stupid ship.

2296
01:47:37,640 --> 01:47:40,399
Go fucking be a plague somewhere else. I don't want

2297
01:47:40,439 --> 01:47:43,199
you here. We're getting Rainforest Cafe, which is.

2298
01:47:43,239 --> 01:47:45,920
Speaker 1: Which do you want that they're gonna have They're gonna

2299
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:46,840
have gold flakes.

2300
01:47:48,319 --> 01:47:57,560
Speaker 2: Wait, wait, Rainforest Cafe right right actually doing it and

2301
01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:00,000
then he then he then I have it on him.

2302
01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:01,439
Speaker 3: I think that's a good idea.

2303
01:48:02,079 --> 01:48:04,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll never be allowed back and do that.

2304
01:48:04,680 --> 01:48:06,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2305
01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:11,199
Speaker 1: The going back to the question, I just wanted to say, like,

2306
01:48:11,279 --> 01:48:14,439
one of the things that I felt like became kind

2307
01:48:14,479 --> 01:48:17,479
of notorious and people still still messaging me about it

2308
01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:21,720
is my hatred of Skyline Chili and that is my

2309
01:48:21,960 --> 01:48:24,199
bridge too far and I won't eat that. I think

2310
01:48:24,239 --> 01:48:29,119
it's disgusting and I don't want noodles with chili and

2311
01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:33,880
weird amounts of cheese on it. The other one that

2312
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:38,319
I would always say is the seafood sub from Subway

2313
01:48:38,920 --> 01:48:39,359
that is.

2314
01:48:39,640 --> 01:48:39,960
Speaker 2: Kind of.

2315
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:44,800
Speaker 1: Oh, it's gross. I used to work there, it was

2316
01:48:44,840 --> 01:48:47,279
my first job, so I used to make it. And

2317
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:54,159
it is a vat of mayonnaise and a baggie of seafood,

2318
01:48:54,680 --> 01:48:58,560
and I truly think that it is manufactured seafood, Like

2319
01:48:58,800 --> 01:49:01,920
I don't think it's actual real fish or anything. It's

2320
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:03,680
just particles from the sea.

2321
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:06,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want that. I will say, actually brings

2322
01:49:06,680 --> 01:49:08,800
too far from me is chicken McNuggets. I don't like

2323
01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:13,520
you to hell, and that's not I don't care what

2324
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:15,720
they're made of or what they're not made of. I actually,

2325
01:49:15,920 --> 01:49:18,079
when I bite into them, it's gross to me. It

2326
01:49:18,159 --> 01:49:21,880
tastes like glue inside of like that's been fried. I

2327
01:49:22,199 --> 01:49:24,880
don't care. I'm much for eating things that aren't actually chicken.

2328
01:49:25,039 --> 01:49:29,000
I don't like McNuggets, Wendy's chicken nuggets. I will boof

2329
01:49:29,359 --> 01:49:32,279
day in and day out. I love that shit. I

2330
01:49:32,359 --> 01:49:33,479
love Wendy's.

2331
01:49:33,159 --> 01:49:35,279
Speaker 1: Nuggets basically McNuggets.

2332
01:49:35,600 --> 01:49:40,039
Speaker 2: I don't like McNugget standard bearer, standard bearer of Like,

2333
01:49:40,279 --> 01:49:42,640
I need something in my stomach, so I'm gonna shove

2334
01:49:42,680 --> 01:49:47,840
this fucking dog food into me. Yeah right, dude, dude,

2335
01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:50,239
I used to get Wendy's chili when I was hungover.

2336
01:49:50,439 --> 01:49:54,920
I will. I'm not above fast food on principle, but

2337
01:49:55,199 --> 01:50:00,960
chicken McNuggets are like if you're with people with actual palettes.

2338
01:50:01,279 --> 01:50:08,119
Oh me, they're the lowest rung on the fast cuisine.

2339
01:50:10,039 --> 01:50:10,520
I hate that.

2340
01:50:10,680 --> 01:50:13,760
Speaker 3: Wait, McDonald's doesn't fast was Oh I think you're saying

2341
01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:16,720
fast casual. Okay, sorry, now there straight up fast food,

2342
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:17,159
all right?

2343
01:50:17,800 --> 01:50:18,239
Speaker 2: Correct?

2344
01:50:18,359 --> 01:50:21,479
Speaker 3: I know, but like I I will say, they they

2345
01:50:21,800 --> 01:50:22,359
went down.

2346
01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:26,159
Speaker 2: I still sometimes like crave Big Max.

2347
01:50:26,640 --> 01:50:28,079
Speaker 3: I've had one. Big Mac in my life.

2348
01:50:28,279 --> 01:50:30,359
Speaker 2: I love them really Yeah.

2349
01:50:30,359 --> 01:50:32,479
Speaker 1: I was always the standard McDonald's orders.

2350
01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:39,199
Speaker 3: I love them, the plain quarter pounder and cheese, biggest

2351
01:50:39,199 --> 01:50:42,800
for all you got ten piece nugget, barbecue sauce and

2352
01:50:42,880 --> 01:50:43,680
ramch dicho.

2353
01:50:43,840 --> 01:50:49,279
Speaker 2: Okay wow except for the nuggets. Yeah, tenders rather.

2354
01:50:49,159 --> 01:50:52,039
Speaker 1: Mind the nuggets. But I'm a I'm a dollar menu girl.

2355
01:50:52,119 --> 01:50:55,079
So it's it's double double burger. What was it called

2356
01:50:55,119 --> 01:50:55,960
the mc double.

2357
01:50:56,159 --> 01:50:59,119
Speaker 3: Specific double taper is mcdouble.

2358
01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:01,359
Speaker 1: Double cheeburger isn't on the doll menu. MC double is

2359
01:51:01,600 --> 01:51:04,520
a double on the mcduble is two patty's one cheese.

2360
01:51:04,800 --> 01:51:07,800
A double cheeseburger is not on the dollar menu.

2361
01:51:08,439 --> 01:51:09,960
Speaker 2: I need a double cheese.

2362
01:51:10,239 --> 01:51:14,000
Speaker 1: I understand, but it's not a Then you're spending lots

2363
01:51:14,039 --> 01:51:21,720
of money, lots and over here. Who cares slap another

2364
01:51:21,840 --> 01:51:28,439
cheese on there? And then the chicken alek, Yeah, that

2365
01:51:28,479 --> 01:51:30,319
he's that he begged for.

2366
01:51:30,600 --> 01:51:35,560
Speaker 2: Please please tell me you love me? The fuck it works.

2367
01:51:37,039 --> 01:51:43,119
I get here and I get ship done. No, Yeah,

2368
01:51:43,159 --> 01:51:45,319
there's not really like a bridge too far though from.

2369
01:51:45,199 --> 01:51:48,880
Speaker 1: Me sounds like there is. And it's the McNugget they went.

2370
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:50,920
Speaker 2: Down and just don't like that's not a principal thing.

2371
01:51:50,960 --> 01:51:53,680
I definitely would not eat that seafood conglomerate.

2372
01:51:53,720 --> 01:51:55,680
Speaker 3: You just mentioned they used to have dark meat in

2373
01:51:55,680 --> 01:51:58,279
the nuggets and they stopped that like fifteen years ago,

2374
01:51:58,359 --> 01:52:00,640
and that has been a hit in quality. I miss those,

2375
01:52:00,680 --> 01:52:02,319
but they're still great.

2376
01:52:03,319 --> 01:52:07,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really preferred when it was just the innards

2377
01:52:07,039 --> 01:52:10,640
and the the holes of the chicken.

2378
01:52:10,640 --> 01:52:12,720
Speaker 3: I eat nuggets. I like, literally, it's not even like

2379
01:52:12,760 --> 01:52:14,560
crossing my mind that it used to be a chicken.

2380
01:52:15,279 --> 01:52:19,119
Speaker 2: No again, I'm not saying that. I'm well aware that

2381
01:52:19,199 --> 01:52:21,680
like Wendy's and Burger King all these places, there's a

2382
01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:24,039
lot of artificial shit in there. I'm not saying I

2383
01:52:24,119 --> 01:52:26,920
dislike make nuggets because they're not actually chicken.

2384
01:52:27,039 --> 01:52:31,720
Speaker 3: But no, no, no, no, no, no no, I'm not

2385
01:52:31,800 --> 01:52:34,880
more it's stupid merry. I'm stupid because like I will

2386
01:52:34,920 --> 01:52:38,680
eat a boneless, skinless chicken breast and it won't register

2387
01:52:38,760 --> 01:52:40,640
to me that that's actually used to be a chicken.

2388
01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:43,880
Speaker 2: Like I think we all do that to some extent,

2389
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:48,119
to kind of like to make it more mentally palatable

2390
01:52:48,199 --> 01:52:51,039
that we are eating an animal. It's hard a lot

2391
01:52:51,079 --> 01:52:51,840
of chicken.

2392
01:52:51,960 --> 01:52:55,880
Speaker 1: But it's so manufactured in the nugget, like you don't

2393
01:52:55,920 --> 01:52:59,880
even see the the like meat.

2394
01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:05,359
Speaker 2: It's well where it's not real beef in the crunch traps,

2395
01:53:05,359 --> 01:53:07,880
and I fucking love crunch traps. It has nothing to

2396
01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:10,640
do with the providence of the meat. I just don't

2397
01:53:10,680 --> 01:53:16,279
find the texture or the taste of McNuggets good a palette. Yeah,

2398
01:53:16,439 --> 01:53:18,960
maybe I don't. Maybe I'm just misleading myself with my

2399
01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:23,079
chetons and my reasonings like I don't. Maybe I don't

2400
01:53:23,079 --> 01:53:23,279
know what?

2401
01:53:23,239 --> 01:53:26,680
Speaker 3: Then your own voice to mock yourself about the ones.

2402
01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:33,079
Speaker 2: Off drying from the sar. That'd be great. Please turn

2403
01:53:33,119 --> 01:53:40,880
into a Dracula, becoming weirder the more I talk. All right, well,

2404
01:53:40,880 --> 01:53:48,600
thank you Lucas, Hello, Daniel, Mary and Michael. What is

2405
01:53:48,640 --> 01:53:50,399
the best nickname? Oh? I get it. What's the best

2406
01:53:50,479 --> 01:53:53,279
nickname you've ever encountered? I work with a bloke nicknamed

2407
01:53:53,319 --> 01:53:58,119
Pothole because everyone tries to avoid him. It's good. There

2408
01:53:58,199 --> 01:54:04,239
is lots of love. Simon from Pith, Australia. I uh I.

2409
01:54:04,279 --> 01:54:05,880
Speaker 3: There was a night in college we got back to

2410
01:54:05,880 --> 01:54:07,800
the dorms after the bars and we were all like

2411
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:10,439
completely shit hammered and just like sitting around the lobby

2412
01:54:10,840 --> 01:54:12,439
and it was with a guy named Ben and a

2413
01:54:12,439 --> 01:54:15,359
guy named Brian and Brian. For some reason, he was

2414
01:54:15,399 --> 01:54:17,680
drunk enough to think it was funny to keep be like, oh, Ben,

2415
01:54:17,960 --> 01:54:21,239
Ben the hen, Ben the hen, and he just wouldn't

2416
01:54:21,239 --> 01:54:23,960
stop saying Ben the hen, and Ben was getting annoyed.

2417
01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:25,960
He's like, God, I wish your name rhymed was something

2418
01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:28,039
like stupid, Like I wish your name was like Lenas,

2419
01:54:28,720 --> 01:54:32,079
And we started calling him Lenas, and it stuck so

2420
01:54:32,399 --> 01:54:36,159
fucking hard that in future years I knew this guy

2421
01:54:36,199 --> 01:54:38,880
all through college. People didn't even know his name was Brian.

2422
01:54:41,680 --> 01:54:45,119
His fucking dad would come to visit and call him Lenis.

2423
01:54:45,600 --> 01:54:52,039
Liked funny, that's Lenis. Yeah, that's that's the dad. Thing's crazy,

2424
01:54:52,039 --> 01:54:53,279
I was Gonnay. I feel like it's the mark of

2425
01:54:53,359 --> 01:54:56,319
a good nickname that people you actually have to either

2426
01:54:56,479 --> 01:54:58,840
rack your brain or truly forget what their name is. Well,

2427
01:54:58,960 --> 01:55:00,840
people would meet him and be like Linas, what where's

2428
01:55:00,840 --> 01:55:02,840
that from? I've never heard that name, and it's like, no,

2429
01:55:03,000 --> 01:55:04,319
it's just because it rhymed with venis.

2430
01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:07,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, my good friend here. I don't actually use this like,

2431
01:55:08,359 --> 01:55:11,159
it's more of a joke nickname that we use in

2432
01:55:11,239 --> 01:55:14,199
like text chats, not to each other's face, but like, uh,

2433
01:55:14,680 --> 01:55:17,039
I think you guys both met him at one point

2434
01:55:17,079 --> 01:55:19,960
or another. Uh. He's my Australian friend, so we and

2435
01:55:20,039 --> 01:55:22,079
he's from outside Sydney in the suburbs, so we call

2436
01:55:22,159 --> 01:55:25,079
him Bogan sometimes. But that's not like an actual like

2437
01:55:26,039 --> 01:55:32,520
one I use regularly. I can't even remember the last

2438
01:55:32,560 --> 01:55:35,159
time I had like a truly good nick we had.

2439
01:55:35,319 --> 01:55:37,760
We had a friend growing up when we were young.

2440
01:55:38,680 --> 01:55:41,159
His name was Aman like e A M O N N.

2441
01:55:42,239 --> 01:55:44,880
I believe it was Irish something like that, which is

2442
01:55:44,920 --> 01:55:46,880
a cool name. Now that he's older, he goes by that.

2443
01:55:47,039 --> 01:55:51,079
But I remember he was short for our friend group,

2444
01:55:51,159 --> 01:55:54,439
and I think just in general, and I remember people

2445
01:55:54,720 --> 01:55:58,560
started calling him pooch and like the whole high school started.

2446
01:55:59,159 --> 01:56:01,239
And I don't I don't think he didn't dislike it,

2447
01:56:01,359 --> 01:56:05,680
like he embraced it. But I remember at one point

2448
01:56:05,720 --> 01:56:08,119
I also I forgot what his first name was for

2449
01:56:08,319 --> 01:56:10,199
a few days until somebody remind me.

2450
01:56:13,800 --> 01:56:17,159
Speaker 1: Isn't too bad, you guys have.

2451
01:56:18,920 --> 01:56:19,039
Speaker 2: Uh.

2452
01:56:19,640 --> 01:56:22,359
Speaker 3: My stepdad's name was Dan, and so I called him

2453
01:56:22,399 --> 01:56:25,159
Big Dan, and he called me Junior, so he would call.

2454
01:56:25,159 --> 01:56:29,479
Speaker 1: Me Junior Junior. That's cute. My dad called me mayor bear.

2455
01:56:30,960 --> 01:56:34,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I go some of the my dad and my

2456
01:56:34,640 --> 01:56:37,840
some of my uncles still call me Mick the Irish family.

2457
01:56:37,960 --> 01:56:41,880
But my sister still to this day, I believe it's

2458
01:56:41,920 --> 01:56:45,800
from the Goonies. She still calls me chunk. Like I

2459
01:56:45,920 --> 01:56:47,760
don't know how. I forget how it started. Oh, he

2460
01:56:47,840 --> 01:56:52,600
does the dance in the movie with the stomach, the

2461
01:56:52,640 --> 01:56:54,880
truffle shuffle, Come on the truffle shuffle.

2462
01:56:54,920 --> 01:56:56,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you mean you haven't seen The Goonies?

2463
01:56:56,720 --> 01:56:59,960
Speaker 2: Dan, interesting? That seems like a movie you would have seen.

2464
01:57:00,239 --> 01:57:00,640
Mm hmm.

2465
01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:03,199
Speaker 1: It's transformative.

2466
01:57:03,520 --> 01:57:04,279
Speaker 2: I remember thinking of it.

2467
01:57:04,399 --> 01:57:06,319
Speaker 3: I used to always think it was like a Grimlins thing,

2468
01:57:06,960 --> 01:57:08,640
and I was like, oh, I like Grimlins because it

2469
01:57:08,720 --> 01:57:10,920
sounds like Grimlins. And then I would like see the

2470
01:57:11,000 --> 01:57:13,039
cover of the VHS and I'd be like, it seems

2471
01:57:13,319 --> 01:57:15,239
about kids I don't like, and I just wouldn't watch.

2472
01:57:15,239 --> 01:57:18,920
Speaker 1: It's better. It's better than the Grimlins. It's such a

2473
01:57:19,000 --> 01:57:19,560
good story.

2474
01:57:20,680 --> 01:57:22,760
Speaker 2: You gotta watch watch both of them and then compare.

2475
01:57:22,880 --> 01:57:25,720
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah, I would really like to see on

2476
01:57:25,800 --> 01:57:26,479
your bracket.

2477
01:57:27,600 --> 01:57:29,439
Speaker 3: I think Grimlins too. The new batage is going to

2478
01:57:29,479 --> 01:57:31,079
be just about anything I.

2479
01:57:31,159 --> 01:57:35,119
Speaker 1: Don't think that's I mean, now we're back to palettes,

2480
01:57:35,159 --> 01:57:35,439
are we.

2481
01:57:35,880 --> 01:57:37,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, we all got our own.

2482
01:57:38,920 --> 01:57:43,960
Speaker 1: My favorite evening is some chicken nuggets and Grimlins too.

2483
01:57:44,119 --> 01:57:46,920
Speaker 3: That sounds like a fucking dream. That sounds like half

2484
01:57:46,920 --> 01:57:48,920
of sounds like something I've done many times in my life.

2485
01:57:50,760 --> 01:57:51,199
Speaker 1: Tuesday.

2486
01:57:51,680 --> 01:57:53,479
Speaker 2: Not to get off topic, well, I mean, I guess

2487
01:57:53,520 --> 01:57:55,319
we do that sometimes. But the first, the only time

2488
01:57:55,359 --> 01:57:59,359
I've ever seen Gremlins two was I had a I

2489
01:57:59,439 --> 01:58:03,319
had a train from here up to Syracuse and Dan

2490
01:58:03,520 --> 01:58:05,920
was still living in New York. This is before I

2491
01:58:06,199 --> 01:58:09,439
moved back, and I was visiting from San Francisco, and

2492
01:58:09,680 --> 01:58:12,920
I went hung out with Dan and Bianca, and then

2493
01:58:13,079 --> 01:58:17,079
Bianca had gone to bed, and it was probably by

2494
01:58:17,119 --> 01:58:20,359
this point one am, and my train was at six

2495
01:58:20,439 --> 01:58:24,680
am out of Penn Station the next morning or later

2496
01:58:24,800 --> 01:58:27,560
that morning. So instead of getting any sleep at all,

2497
01:58:28,159 --> 01:58:30,720
dance like you could just like stay up and watch

2498
01:58:30,800 --> 01:58:34,800
Gremlins two, like you start heading down to the train, like, okay,

2499
01:58:34,840 --> 01:58:38,039
it sounds great. Of course, I keep drinking while I'm

2500
01:58:38,039 --> 01:58:40,880
watching Gremlins two, So it's by the time the movie

2501
01:58:40,920 --> 01:58:43,600
I watched that by the time the movie ends, and

2502
01:58:43,720 --> 01:58:46,399
I'm just like still blown back into my seat from

2503
01:58:46,439 --> 01:58:49,439
the awesomeness I just saw. I'm hammered and I have

2504
01:58:49,560 --> 01:58:51,239
to get down to Penn Station to get on a

2505
01:58:51,319 --> 01:58:53,319
train and get upstate.

2506
01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:55,079
Speaker 3: We also watched Rocky four that night.

2507
01:58:55,640 --> 01:58:59,079
Speaker 2: I watched Rocky four. Oh that's what it was. I

2508
01:58:59,159 --> 01:59:01,560
watched Gremlins two order and then I was like, okay, well,

2509
01:59:01,600 --> 01:59:04,239
my train's in like four hours, and you're like, you

2510
01:59:04,279 --> 01:59:05,600
could just watch Rocky four.

2511
01:59:07,680 --> 01:59:09,439
Speaker 3: Gremlins two, Rocky Ford Train.

2512
01:59:10,359 --> 01:59:15,920
Speaker 2: Before Gremlins two, we had watched John Travolta as John Gotti.

2513
01:59:16,079 --> 01:59:16,439
Speaker 1: Oh, go.

2514
01:59:18,439 --> 01:59:21,119
Speaker 2: Watch Gotti recorded your podcast.

2515
01:59:21,039 --> 01:59:23,640
Speaker 1: And we want to like hell trifecta.

2516
01:59:24,840 --> 01:59:25,039
Speaker 3: Fun.

2517
01:59:25,399 --> 01:59:27,159
Speaker 2: Well, Gott he was off, Gott, he was tough.

2518
01:59:27,399 --> 01:59:30,920
Speaker 3: I've watched it again since then. It's unbelievably bad. Why well,

2519
01:59:31,079 --> 01:59:32,920
I just did like a stream watch along of it.

2520
01:59:33,079 --> 01:59:35,760
Oh interesting, I had to show back. I like, I

2521
01:59:35,960 --> 01:59:39,199
like making people watch insane movies, and stream is a

2522
01:59:39,239 --> 01:59:39,720
good way to do.

2523
01:59:41,960 --> 01:59:44,119
Speaker 2: We got oh we wait, we got a recommendation of

2524
01:59:44,359 --> 01:59:48,039
a movie in the emails. I don't know if I

2525
01:59:48,079 --> 01:59:49,560
could find it quick enough where there won't be a

2526
01:59:49,600 --> 01:59:54,279
bunch of dretit on horror. Maybe the horror horror movies.

2527
01:59:54,760 --> 02:00:07,279
Yes it, Simon said, Mary, if you haven't seen Influencers, No, no, no, sorry, different,

2528
02:00:08,039 --> 02:00:08,520
What is it.

2529
02:00:13,840 --> 02:00:18,680
Speaker 1: You read? I'm gonna say something, Dan, I think this

2530
02:00:18,800 --> 02:00:22,600
was the last episode you told me to watch, Annette. Yes,

2531
02:00:24,239 --> 02:00:26,600
here are my messages to Dan in real time. Yes,

2532
02:00:28,600 --> 02:00:35,960
Mary starting a net. I have been told not to fart, Dan, Hell? Yes, Mary?

2533
02:00:36,960 --> 02:00:39,680
Oh fuck? Is this a musical? Dan?

2534
02:00:39,960 --> 02:00:40,920
Speaker 2: Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

2535
02:00:41,359 --> 02:00:47,800
Speaker 1: Who can say, Mary? It can't be this the whole time, Mary,

2536
02:00:48,680 --> 02:00:55,199
They keep singing, Dan, I'm so happy for you. Mary.

2537
02:00:56,359 --> 02:01:00,359
Is the joke that you convinced me to watch this? Dan? No,

2538
02:01:00,720 --> 02:01:04,000
I've watched this seven times. It was around that time

2539
02:01:05,079 --> 02:01:05,960
that I turned this off.

2540
02:01:06,479 --> 02:01:08,920
Speaker 3: Okay, I was gonna say the text stopped at a

2541
02:01:09,000 --> 02:01:09,600
certain point.

2542
02:01:10,079 --> 02:01:11,840
Speaker 1: Did you even I can't get through this shit.

2543
02:01:13,359 --> 02:01:16,640
Speaker 3: I'm telling you it's you got to keep going. No you,

2544
02:01:17,000 --> 02:01:18,359
I'm telling it goes places.

2545
02:01:19,119 --> 02:01:20,239
Speaker 1: It's miserable.

2546
02:01:21,560 --> 02:01:23,000
Speaker 3: It was when I watched it the first time, I

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thought it was the worst movie I've ever seen, and

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Balk and I kept looking at each other and like

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we pause to go to the bathroom and be like, oh,

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02:01:28,399 --> 02:01:29,479
we're not gonna be able to make it through the

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02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:31,840
rest of this. We've been there, Mary, We've been where

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you are.

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02:01:32,359 --> 02:01:35,399
Speaker 1: Torture. It's torture. It was twenty minutes of torture.

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Speaker 3: You haven't even gotten to the baby, Mary, Mary, Mary, Mary,

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02:01:42,319 --> 02:01:45,720
promise me no, maybe tonight. You did twenty minutes last week,

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02:01:45,720 --> 02:01:46,840
we did twenty minutes at a time.

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Speaker 1: It's it's telling marble. I hated it.

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02:01:52,640 --> 02:01:54,640
Speaker 3: I never said it was like great or you're gonna

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02:01:54,680 --> 02:01:56,359
love it. I'm saying you need to watch it.

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Speaker 1: I think you're fucking with me. You like it miserable.

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02:02:01,560 --> 02:02:02,359
I don't want to watch it.

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02:02:02,479 --> 02:02:05,000
Speaker 3: I'm not fucking with you. Do another twenty at a time.

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02:02:05,359 --> 02:02:07,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to. It's shit.

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02:02:09,640 --> 02:02:10,359
Speaker 3: I thought so too.

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02:02:11,239 --> 02:02:11,920
Speaker 2: I thought so too.

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02:02:12,359 --> 02:02:13,079
Speaker 1: I don't like it.

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02:02:14,039 --> 02:02:16,159
Speaker 3: What do you mean another twenty tonight and text me.

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02:02:17,199 --> 02:02:22,319
Speaker 2: I have a movie recommendation from Brian maybe Portland. He said,

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I think Mary and Mike would like it as well.

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02:02:25,039 --> 02:02:27,560
It's a horror movie recommendation for Dan. I think Mike

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02:02:27,600 --> 02:02:29,159
and Mary would like it as well. It's called The

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02:02:29,279 --> 02:02:31,720
Monkey from twenty oh oh.

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02:02:31,800 --> 02:02:32,399
Speaker 3: I've heard about that.

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02:02:32,479 --> 02:02:34,359
Speaker 2: The whole thing is people dying in hilarious ways.

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02:02:34,760 --> 02:02:38,920
Speaker 1: It is it's kind of like a final Destination, but

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02:02:39,319 --> 02:02:44,439
zero seriousness. According according to Brian, it's zero seriousness. And

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I would also add zero brain cells because like in

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Final Destination, they will like allude to what might happen,

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02:02:52,079 --> 02:02:53,720
you know, like you might see it in the reflection

2580
02:02:53,840 --> 02:02:55,920
of a window and you'd be like, oh my gosh,

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02:02:56,720 --> 02:03:00,399
like it's gonna be the sign. It's gonna fall. And

2582
02:03:00,479 --> 02:03:03,800
then the sign falls and it starts like a Goldberg

2583
02:03:03,960 --> 02:03:06,359
machine of death that like cascades into their death. And

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02:03:06,399 --> 02:03:11,720
it's like it's interesting sequence the monkeys like it's nonsense.

2585
02:03:12,399 --> 02:03:16,000
It's so stupid. I will I will admit with the

2586
02:03:16,840 --> 02:03:19,640
with this person like it's good old fashioned death fun.

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02:03:20,239 --> 02:03:21,720
But the whole time when I was watching it, I

2588
02:03:21,840 --> 02:03:24,079
was like, this is this is such a silly way

2589
02:03:24,159 --> 02:03:27,199
to die, where like nothing makes sense. If someone's in

2590
02:03:27,279 --> 02:03:29,279
a pool and you'll be like, oh, this person's gonna

2591
02:03:29,279 --> 02:03:33,239
get like electrocuted or something. Something so stupid unnecessarily will

2592
02:03:33,239 --> 02:03:37,000
also happen to them just because they're like they're like actually,

2593
02:03:37,199 --> 02:03:39,239
like you know, someone's gonna come in and stab them

2594
02:03:39,239 --> 02:03:40,600
at the end, and it's just like fuck you, Like

2595
02:03:40,720 --> 02:03:43,199
nothing makes sense in this movie. It's it's a it's

2596
02:03:43,239 --> 02:03:45,039
a total joke of a film, but it is very

2597
02:03:45,119 --> 02:03:46,199
fun to watch people die.

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02:03:47,479 --> 02:03:49,239
Speaker 3: I think got time for all these joke movies, but

2599
02:03:49,640 --> 02:03:50,239
not cinema.

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02:03:50,680 --> 02:03:53,279
Speaker 1: That movie is garbage. Mike, have you seen it?

2601
02:03:53,760 --> 02:03:58,039
Speaker 2: Yeah? Do you think? Do you think? You keep going? Yes,

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02:04:00,199 --> 02:04:05,079
you liar, We're with you. I like, like the next

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02:04:05,159 --> 02:04:06,600
day after it was done, and I was thinking, yeah

2604
02:04:06,600 --> 02:04:06,840
about it.

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02:04:07,000 --> 02:04:08,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it stays in your head a bit.

2606
02:04:08,840 --> 02:04:11,439
Speaker 1: Like you're both liars, you're fucking with me.

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02:04:13,840 --> 02:04:16,039
Speaker 3: It went from a half start of rocks until like

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02:04:16,239 --> 02:04:18,119
four in defense.

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02:04:18,199 --> 02:04:20,279
Speaker 2: He did talk about it like a year ago on

2610
02:04:20,439 --> 02:04:24,159
the show before, so like this is this is still track.

2611
02:04:24,239 --> 02:04:26,439
Speaker 1: It's a musical that makes no sense.

2612
02:04:26,960 --> 02:04:28,680
Speaker 2: Give it if you haven't got to the baby.

2613
02:04:29,000 --> 02:04:33,479
Speaker 1: They keep singing how they're feeling, I know, give me.

2614
02:04:33,439 --> 02:04:34,680
Speaker 3: Another twenty No.

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02:04:39,800 --> 02:04:42,479
Speaker 2: Oh, I thought of one more nickname. When I was young. Uh,

2616
02:04:42,720 --> 02:04:45,560
there's a kid in my friend's neighborhood who was like

2617
02:04:45,800 --> 02:04:50,159
the His family had moved there from I don't remember,

2618
02:04:50,399 --> 02:04:53,119
like Florida or somewhere, and they had a lot of

2619
02:04:53,199 --> 02:04:56,479
money and he was like immediately looking down on us

2620
02:04:56,560 --> 02:04:59,079
for not and uh so we didn't. So I don't

2621
02:04:59,079 --> 02:05:01,399
feel bad about this. But his name was I'm a

2622
02:05:01,520 --> 02:05:06,199
Verdi and uh we my friend came up with it

2623
02:05:06,359 --> 02:05:09,720
and we sorted calling him I'm a virgin and just

2624
02:05:10,279 --> 02:05:14,199
that he was just an elitist dick. It was like

2625
02:05:14,279 --> 02:05:17,880
a fIF fucking fourteen year old like this being like

2626
02:05:17,880 --> 02:05:21,079
an elitist prick about having more money than everybody's. I

2627
02:05:21,119 --> 02:05:23,760
can't stand living here. Like my old neighborhood had a

2628
02:05:23,880 --> 02:05:28,359
gate insecurity. I was like, oh my god, my friend

2629
02:05:28,439 --> 02:05:32,079
was brilliant. I still don't even remember, like I forgot

2630
02:05:32,119 --> 02:05:36,800
what his real name was for a bit, but one

2631
02:05:36,960 --> 02:05:43,960
was good. Thank you for writing in tonight, Lucas, Thomas

2632
02:05:44,119 --> 02:05:48,439
and Simon. That's our show, fire Escape Cast at gmail

2633
02:05:48,439 --> 02:05:50,520
dot com. Keep him coming, stock us up for twenty

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02:05:50,560 --> 02:05:55,760
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2640
02:06:12,279 --> 02:06:15,520
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02:06:34,960 --> 02:06:36,640
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2650
02:06:44,279 --> 02:06:46,159
and that's biweekly. It's in our off weeks when we

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02:06:46,199 --> 02:06:49,199
don't have a new full episode of the show. And

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02:06:49,279 --> 02:06:51,560
then you can also go become a patron for next

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I and that's similarly on. At episode eighteen or twenty

2656
02:07:01,479 --> 02:07:05,079
or something like that, we'll have a new one, or

2657
02:07:05,199 --> 02:07:07,560
rather next Lander will have a new episode on THEIRS

2658
02:07:07,640 --> 02:07:09,399
this week. If you're listening to this one, it's out,

2659
02:07:09,439 --> 02:07:11,560
and then we'll have one next week. Dan, what do

2660
02:07:11,600 --> 02:07:12,640
you have going on in the meantime?

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02:07:13,159 --> 02:07:15,399
Speaker 3: Guynbomb dot com A lot of fun stuff going on

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02:07:15,479 --> 02:07:17,119
over there. We got some new stuff will be announced

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02:07:17,159 --> 02:07:21,760
in the near future. Blake Club is continuing to kill It, BombCast,

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02:07:21,880 --> 02:07:23,920
all that, all the usual, just the follow Giant Bomb

2665
02:07:24,039 --> 02:07:25,560
on socials and YouTube.

2666
02:07:26,279 --> 02:07:29,920
Speaker 1: Mary, what about you, I'm streaming every Monday on Twitch

2667
02:07:30,359 --> 02:07:36,159
and posting silly videos of my dog on Instagram. That's

2668
02:07:36,239 --> 02:07:37,319
my entire existence.

2669
02:07:38,199 --> 02:07:41,720
Speaker 2: Sweet, I'm here about it.

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02:07:42,159 --> 02:07:43,359
Speaker 1: I also exist.

2671
02:07:43,800 --> 02:07:48,000
Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah. We'll be back in two weeks with episode

2672
02:07:48,039 --> 02:07:52,279
one twenty six. Until then, hopefully everybody shovels digs out

2673
02:07:52,319 --> 02:07:54,479
of the snow if you've bet affected, which is like

2674
02:07:54,560 --> 02:07:56,840
two thirds of the country, so odds are you have,

2675
02:07:57,520 --> 02:08:01,279
and we will see you a couple of weeks. Bye bye,