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Speaker 3: Nick Coffee.
Speaker 2: That's me Austin Montgomery alongside. As we get closer and
Speaker 2: closer to Derby one fifty one, I just got just
Speaker 2: got the the the I guess the assignment for me
Speaker 2: on Derby Day. I'm ready to ready to put in
Speaker 2: a good ship for the team, and you contribute in
Speaker 2: any way I can for News Radio eight forty WHS.
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna be on in the morning with the
Speaker 2: one and only Tony Cruz. I mean, with Tony retiring
Speaker 2: and this being his last derby with us here at has,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's an honor to be to be out
Speaker 2: there with the one and only Tony Cruz. So I'll
Speaker 2: be doing some stuff with him on air. Part you know,
Speaker 2: be a two man team essentially for a little while
Speaker 2: in the morning, and then I'll also do some some
Speaker 2: stuff with the Bennetti and then I'll do my roaming
Speaker 2: reporter type of stuff and you know, who knows what
Speaker 2: else we'll get into. Hopefully we can just you know,
Speaker 2: stay stay dry. May not be easy, but we'll certainly try.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: Are you more You're you're more of an interviewer on
Speaker 2: Derby Day for us, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: I just go around and I do the man on
Speaker 4: the street thing, yeah, or man at.
Speaker 2: The derby, yeah, man at the derby and and those
Speaker 2: you know, those are I was just telling our boss,
Speaker 2: Gus Allen that I used to be scared to death
Speaker 2: to do those, and.
Speaker 4: You know, I still get pretty nervous. Yeah, but.
Speaker 2: Do you get like, I don't know, I mean, I
Speaker 2: could see you getting nervous initially, but you've got a
Speaker 2: pretty good ability to just like you, you know, break
Speaker 2: the ice, start a combo.
Speaker 3: And that's really what it's all about.
Speaker 2: Like once you start talking to somebody and it just
Speaker 2: turns into where you're having a conversation, it's not doesn't
Speaker 2: really feel like an interview. Because here's what I've learned
Speaker 2: not that I'm some expert that should be giving out advice,
Speaker 2: but it's an interview.
Speaker 3: But it's not.
Speaker 2: If you make it seem as if you're interviewing people.
Speaker 2: Some will run with it and they'll execute and it'll
Speaker 2: be great, but others will be uncomfortable because they're not
Speaker 2: used to being interviewed, you know. Like it's like if
Speaker 2: you've ever like when you see somebody talking on a documentary,
Speaker 2: like a you know, a sit down interview, and they're
Speaker 2: not looking they're not staring directly into the camera. It's
Speaker 2: because you don't hear it in the post because they
Speaker 2: in the post production.
Speaker 3: It's added out.
Speaker 2: But the way to get that like most like you
Speaker 2: would think some of those people are like actors or
Speaker 2: they're trained, but no, it's a gifted person who's really
Speaker 2: good at sitting in front of somebody and having a
Speaker 2: conversation to where they truly don't even realize they're being interviewed.
Speaker 2: They're just having a convo. The camera's not directly in
Speaker 2: their face. Sure, it's off a little bit to the side,
Speaker 2: So you know that. I kept trying to interview people
Speaker 2: the first couple of years, and sometimes you the only
Speaker 2: ones I had somewhat success with were the drunk people,
Speaker 2: which those can still be fun, but if it was
Speaker 2: somebody sober and I was like, you know, I guess
Speaker 2: I just came off a little too serious, like hey,
Speaker 2: tell me what you're doing here derby, and they're like,
Speaker 2: I'm enjoying the races, Like leave me alone, you weirdo.
Speaker 3: So you know, to.
Speaker 2: Casually start a convo and then get it roll, and
Speaker 2: that's usually when it when it works out best. But
Speaker 2: I just, honestly, and I don't say this just to
Speaker 2: gash you up, I feel like your personality, your demeanor
Speaker 2: is one that would people would be pretty easy to
Speaker 2: just you know, chat up.
Speaker 5: Well, thank you know what I'm saying a lot? Yeah,
Speaker 5: well you know you're meant Julob's help too.
Speaker 2: Of course, absolutely little liquid courage can can go a
Speaker 2: long way.
Speaker 5: But I just I just kind of mingle in, like
Speaker 5: I know the people, so I actually start conversations with
Speaker 5: people before by like just kind of telling them that, hey,
Speaker 5: by the way, you know, you think I can get
Speaker 5: an interview with you. I'm with eight forty w h.
Speaker 5: I mean, all I have is the the credentials out
Speaker 5: there that they had to look at there's like I
Speaker 5: don't have WHS suit or anything, or I don't have
Speaker 5: the microphone with the flag on it because I'm just
Speaker 5: doing it off my phone.
Speaker 3: Are you really this part?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just do it off my phone and I
Speaker 5: send it to the lovely John Alden. I wonder if
Speaker 5: he's going to be doing it again this year, but
Speaker 5: that's usually who who I send them to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm amazed by how good you can have me
Speaker 2: Like it still is is noticeable if you're producing or
Speaker 2: recording in a live production studio like we have here,
Speaker 2: but you can get amazing quality of anything audio video
Speaker 2: on your smartphones now, and I mean it it. The
Speaker 2: reason I'm thinking of this is because last week, like
Speaker 2: I don't know if you all were able to tell
Speaker 2: I'm sure you could, but like I did my show
Speaker 2: through a phone, like just a phone call, and that's right,
Speaker 2: I mean I didn't. I didn't want to acknowledge that
Speaker 2: throughout because I didn't want to bring attention to it
Speaker 2: because I'm a weirdo about that stuff to where I
Speaker 2: get like I'll bring it attention to stuff that most
Speaker 2: listeners would never notice. But it's because I just I
Speaker 2: don't the last thing I want is to, you know,
Speaker 2: have any type of technical issues or anything like that.
Speaker 2: It's just my personality more than it is anything else.
Speaker 2: And it's not something like I'm happy with. It's just
Speaker 2: who I am. But Joe Elliott is filling in for
Speaker 2: Terry Minors today and I was listening to him before
Speaker 2: the show talking with with Gus. He wasn't live on
Speaker 2: the air, but he was coming in like he would
Speaker 2: be on the air in the control room and like
Speaker 2: you would never know that he's on a phone just
Speaker 2: having a phone call, Like it's crazy, how it's amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So yeah, the the interview, like what I would do
Speaker 2: you know, you know what you used this morning? Yes,
Speaker 2: Like you can plug that into a phone and it
Speaker 2: and it records.
Speaker 5: Like well I was going to ask, I didn't listen.
Speaker 5: I don't want to look a gift horse in the mouth. Well,
Speaker 5: well it's on the horse.
Speaker 2: What I like, Like, if I'm not gonna I don't
Speaker 2: plan on bringing into my own stuff because I've got
Speaker 2: some production video audio stuff that I just have had
Speaker 2: over the years. But like they have actual microphones that
Speaker 2: you can connect to like a little recorder and that
Speaker 2: actually will make it sound better and it will make
Speaker 2: you probably be you know, it'll it'll seem a little
Speaker 2: more I guess official to the person who's being interviewed.
Speaker 2: But I mean just because you can do it on
Speaker 2: your phone and it'll still sound good and you can
Speaker 2: just send the file to somebody like that's that's actually
Speaker 2: the more convenient and efficient way to do it, right.
Speaker 2: The quality difference isn't noticeable enough to where like it
Speaker 2: would really you would really need to do.
Speaker 3: That, But I don't know.
Speaker 2: There's just something about carrying your phone around and interviewing
Speaker 2: people that I like, I would try to avoid that
Speaker 2: if I could. But that's just me because again, like
Speaker 2: I'm a weirdo. Sure you know what I mean, like
Speaker 2: and no, believe me, I sort of feel all the
Speaker 2: way with you. That's why I feel I got to
Speaker 2: butter them up and let them know who I am
Speaker 2: before I just they just don't think I'm just this
Speaker 2: wacko bulling out. Yeah, because the credential, like is all
Speaker 2: you got to show that you are a big deal,
Speaker 2: and like they need to know.
Speaker 5: That because I always see when I introduce myself and
Speaker 5: I ask I've done it. I've done a case study
Speaker 5: every time I just introduce them, just just a just
Speaker 5: a super cold open, just coming in with Hey, I'm
Speaker 5: on the radio, would you guys like to do an interview?
Speaker 5: Their eyes immediately go down to the credentials, or they
Speaker 5: might be looking at something else. I don't know, I
Speaker 5: just assume it's the credentials. So other than like me
Speaker 5: just going in, hey, I like your suit. Where'd you
Speaker 5: get that hat? You guys enjoining everything today? And then
Speaker 5: they once they started asking like, oh what do you do?
Speaker 5: What are you doing out here? Then that's a while
Speaker 5: I'm with the news, and then you hit recorded in
Speaker 5: your rolling when we're there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was a couple of years ago, and I
Speaker 2: never even I never even put it out there because
Speaker 2: it wasn't I did a few different vibe check videos
Speaker 2: that I never put out because I just wasn't really cold.
Speaker 3: I didn't feel good about like.
Speaker 2: It was probably fine, but like I developed, I think
Speaker 2: to where we had a pretty good run with them,
Speaker 2: and I knew that like I wasn't going to be
Speaker 2: able to make certain ones as good as others, so
Speaker 2: I just abandoned them, which is probably really stupid because
Speaker 2: I put a lot of time into that content and
Speaker 2: it was it was you know, no, it's great something
Speaker 2: that was that was seemingly going well for me. But
Speaker 2: we did some at Derby and I was asking people
Speaker 2: who were not from here, and I did not have
Speaker 2: my credential, but I had, you know, had my blazer
Speaker 2: on it, and I had one of our mics and
Speaker 2: I had somebody with a camera that was helping me.
Speaker 3: And I would ask people.
Speaker 2: Hey, have you heard you know wh Nick Coffee is
Speaker 2: and they would be like no, and I was like,
Speaker 2: he's his radio hos. He's a real he's a real clown,
Speaker 2: but uh know of you you know, And most people
Speaker 2: would like say something and then they would pick up
Speaker 2: on it, and rarely didn't did it turn into where
Speaker 2: like it played out the way that I wanted, But
Speaker 2: there was a drunk person that I could tell did
Speaker 2: not but wanted to be like, oh yeah I.
Speaker 3: Know that guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you heard him. He's a real dumbass.
Speaker 2: Oh I don't even know why people listen to him,
Speaker 2: Like yeah, well you know what station's he on now?
Speaker 2: They got him on I think he's on that rock
Speaker 2: station now And I'm like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, that's doing But you know, so that's good.
Speaker 2: Whenever I would tell people about being nervous about it before,
Speaker 2: which I'm you know, it's it's not really nerves. I
Speaker 2: just you know, I want to be comfortable and that
Speaker 2: that is the biggest thing is just to make sure
Speaker 2: that you know. It's because I can tell within the
Speaker 2: first thirty seconds if this is going to be something
Speaker 2: that's a good interview for the for the for the broadcast,
Speaker 2: or if I'm just gonna you know, small talk and
Speaker 2: then try to get the hell out of there, and
Speaker 2: and not even like I've ordered many that I'm like,
Speaker 2: don't use that, but I don't tell the people that, right,
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, yeah, you'll be on us ready, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: thanks for your time. And like you were a real
Speaker 2: dud or you cursed a bunch when I told you
Speaker 2: that you couldn't. But like doing the vibe check stuff
Speaker 2: is so different than like I mean that this is
Speaker 2: we can have fun at the derby and like, you know,
Speaker 2: but I can't go full Dwight Whitten, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, you know, although that would probably be
Speaker 2: more fun, but you know, actually there's there's a brand
Speaker 2: to protect here at WHA s yeah, and uh, you know,
Speaker 2: we got to be on our best behavior at least
Speaker 2: I think we do.
Speaker 5: You don't indulge in cigars, do you? No, I you know,
Speaker 5: smoke a stone.
Speaker 2: Never, never smoked a cigar, never smoked a cigarette, never
Speaker 2: smoked anything, And I remember anything never, And I remember
Speaker 2: like I would say that when I was young adult,
Speaker 2: and my mom and my stepdad would be like, oh yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: like I was doing so here I am at thirty six, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's no reason for me to lie about that now.
Speaker 2: I mean, I I indulge in other things to give
Speaker 2: me a similar feelings as what you would get by
Speaker 2: smoking something. But you know, I've never and honestly, here's
Speaker 2: here's what, because I don't think it's probably I don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's rare, not extremely rare. But I
Speaker 2: would say more often than not, a lot of people
Speaker 2: in my age would have at least smoked a cigarette
Speaker 2: or smoked a joint or something. Right, Yeah, so like that,
Speaker 2: and that's I feel like it's pretty common, and in fact,
Speaker 2: it's not something that I think you should be ashamed of.
Speaker 2: But I was never offered not to say that I
Speaker 2: would because I don't think that I would trust me.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 2: I mean, I had the fear of, like if I
Speaker 2: ever get caught smoking cigarettes or anything like that, like
Speaker 2: I was going to get in trouble and then it
Speaker 2: would impact basketball and all that kind of stuff. So
Speaker 2: I was very, very very paranote about getting in trouble
Speaker 2: as a kid. And I don't really know why because
Speaker 2: I never really did get in trouble and I didn't
Speaker 2: live a lifestyle as a youngster that.
Speaker 3: Would have, you know, put me in any position.
Speaker 4: But as your health person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as I've said before, I watched a lot of
Speaker 2: prison shows over the years, and that just made me
Speaker 2: really really aware of the fact that I wouldn't do
Speaker 2: well if I ended up there. So let's just live
Speaker 2: on the straight and narrow and not end up there.
Speaker 2: But yeah, like I've I've never been in a position
Speaker 2: where somebody offered me a cigarette, where they offered me
Speaker 2: like I've been around people who are smoking pot, Like
Speaker 2: it's not it's not an.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never completely skip you. Yeah, I guess I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not good blunt rotation material. I mean that's just
Speaker 2: I mean, it's something I accepted long ago, and I've
Speaker 2: been working on it, but you know, so far it's
Speaker 2: yet to happen.
Speaker 3: So I maybe maybe I just gave.
Speaker 2: Maybe I just begged nonchalantly for like the biggest invitation
Speaker 2: for somebody to roll up with me.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, what you were doing, I
Speaker 4: was so listen. My mom always smoked.
Speaker 5: I used to wake up and like get down ready
Speaker 5: for school, and like the the house would be smoky.
Speaker 5: Like my mom would like probably smoke a cigarette before
Speaker 5: she took her first breath and she stopped now and
Speaker 5: she was I mean she she was crushing them, dude.
Speaker 5: And I always hate it, just burn. I hate it.
Speaker 5: And I still like, I'm not a regular smoker, but
Speaker 5: get me at the bar on a nice night and
Speaker 5: oh yeah, there's you.
Speaker 4: Hand me one of those and then we're good.
Speaker 5: It's some of the best conversations have came with you
Speaker 5: got a light?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Or can I boma sick? Actually? You know what
Speaker 4: that sort? And I've done that.
Speaker 5: Before at the track several times too. I just have
Speaker 5: a drink at Boma sig off with somebody and then
Speaker 5: I'm like, hey, you want to be on the radio.
Speaker 5: That's it's a good time. It's a good way to
Speaker 5: do it. That's a So it's my pickup line.
Speaker 2: So when it comes to cigars, how does one like
Speaker 2: Cause I feel like you have to give some effort
Speaker 2: to kind of get into that. But a lot of
Speaker 2: people that I know that, Like, I've got a buddy
Speaker 2: who I would be willing to bet has probably never
Speaker 2: smoked marijuana or a cigarette just because we grew up
Speaker 2: like kind of the same. In fact, he's very much
Speaker 2: into like he was very much a church kid and
Speaker 2: you know, a little bit of a different lifestyle than
Speaker 2: I had as a young and but he's really like
Speaker 2: he's like i'd say, cigars are like a hobby of his,
Speaker 2: if that's a thing. So because people, yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: so I love the smell of cigars. I've just never
Speaker 2: actually like, can I tell you something really embarrassing? Sure,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't know how to smoke something like I would.
Speaker 2: I would try, and I would be the one that like,
Speaker 2: even if it was the lightest hit, as they say,
Speaker 2: I would be coughing as if like I'm a thirteen
Speaker 2: year old who just got handed his first cigarette probably
Speaker 2: like you know, so I guess you got to start
Speaker 2: somewhere that would be good. So that might be good
Speaker 2: social media content. Let's just see what Nick does the
Speaker 2: first time he ever tries to smoke something.
Speaker 4: That would be great.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I was always told to kind of use
Speaker 5: it like a straw, if that makes sense. I mean,
Speaker 5: but you're obviously you're talking monster bong rips or what. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm well, you know who you're talking to.
Speaker 3: I guess not. I didn't really well.
Speaker 5: Well, well, I mean like, yeah, that's what was with
Speaker 5: my cousin. And oh yeah, blame it on your cousin.
Speaker 1: It's all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just you're a good kid.
Speaker 2: The cousin got in the way influenced you to do
Speaker 2: bad things always.
Speaker 5: The thing is, I just waited till I was after
Speaker 5: eighteen and after I graduated school. And uh, but yeah,
Speaker 5: anytime I guess you smoke anything, whether that be a
Speaker 5: dube or a cigarette or a cigar, it's just more
Speaker 5: or less just kind of you wouldn't You wouldn't know
Speaker 5: once once you put hands to me, you would know.
Speaker 2: So now you got me thinking back to my younger years,
Speaker 2: when I, like I I didn't drink alcohol.
Speaker 3: I I had.
Speaker 2: Probably like two different instances where I was at a
Speaker 2: party and people were drinking some were like people that
Speaker 2: were a little bit older than me, either seniors, and
Speaker 2: I was a junior or sophomore. And and then we
Speaker 2: still partied with and hung out with people that were
Speaker 2: like a year older than us right after high school,
Speaker 2: so you know, around that people around my age range,
Speaker 2: and like drinking was going on, and I remember, like
Speaker 2: I tried, I tried to drink of something. I think
Speaker 2: I took like some Jaeger. And then there was this drink.
Speaker 2: Do you remember a drink called hypnotic.
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, with the with the cool bottle.
Speaker 3: Like the tea. They still don't still make that, do
Speaker 3: they still make it?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 2: So like that was the that was like if if
Speaker 2: somebody in high school was going to get somebody to
Speaker 2: buy them booze, like they would get liquor, like, you know, gosh,
Speaker 2: what is what's the what's the real rough vodka? That's
Speaker 2: like I'd be heaven Hill you Yeah, so we would
Speaker 2: get like heaven Hill vodka and just mixed drinks. But I,
Speaker 2: you know, I genuinely didn't like the taste of alcohol,
Speaker 2: and I never was somebody that was eager to like
Speaker 2: see what it felt like to get a buzz, So
Speaker 2: I just you know. It wasn't like I was some prude.
Speaker 2: I just you know, I didn't partake, and I was
Speaker 2: delusional thinking, well, I'm gonna you know, this is gonna
Speaker 2: impact my basketball career, which clearly wouldn't have mattered.
Speaker 3: But when I was going into my freshman year of.
Speaker 2: College, that was the first time i'd ever actually like
Speaker 2: drink alcohol enough to like, you know, get a buzz,
Speaker 2: get drunk right.
Speaker 3: Probably took a couple of beers, to be honest.
Speaker 4: With you, and it was vodka first, you said, Jaeger.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, So I got probably got like drunk
Speaker 2: for the first time on Yaeger. And this was the
Speaker 2: summer after I graduated. And then a couple of my
Speaker 2: buddies they'd started to like, Okay, we're gonna drink beer now.
Speaker 2: But like I'll say it, I drink beer a lot,
Speaker 2: but I had to. I think everybody has to acquire
Speaker 2: the taste of beer. I mean so, and there's still
Speaker 2: people I know that now drink but just don't really
Speaker 2: like they're they're not eager to drink beer. They're more
Speaker 2: so going to get a cocktail or a seltzer. Maybe
Speaker 2: even you know, just some people drink straight liquor, just
Speaker 2: depending on if it's like high it's high quality.
Speaker 3: So everybody's got their own preference.
Speaker 2: But like I remember being young, eighteen nineteen, like I'm
Speaker 2: still thinking, like, man, I'll pound some of these natty lights,
Speaker 2: but I'm not going to lie to you and say
Speaker 2: I like the taste of them, right, But eventually, you know,
Speaker 2: it changes.
Speaker 3: But I got caught.
Speaker 2: I got caught that summer drinking, you know, having a
Speaker 2: party with a bunch of beer. And it was the
Speaker 2: first time I like got drunk on beer. And at
Speaker 2: that point, I guess like I'd committed, all right, I
Speaker 2: can stand, I can live with the taste. And then
Speaker 2: surely over time I began to like beer, and now
Speaker 2: was born and now I'm craving beer right now. But
Speaker 2: I told, I told my parents that I had never
Speaker 2: like that was the first time that I'd ever you know,
Speaker 2: like pounded beers. Because they found a bunch of beer
Speaker 2: cans that we left behind, and that's how we got caught.
Speaker 2: It wasn't just me, it was a bunch of people.
Speaker 2: So but they were like, oh yeah, real convenient the
Speaker 2: time you get caught. That was the first time. And
Speaker 2: I'm like beer's disgusting. No I've drink Oh yeah, sure, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what you would say. And I'm like okay, but
Speaker 2: like I'm telling you, like it's not like I haven't
Speaker 2: had any alcohol before, but like beer is gross and
Speaker 2: I didn't don't typically like to drink it. And they
Speaker 2: were like, oh yeah, you're just trying to get over
Speaker 2: on us. I'm like all right, whatever. So I mean,
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, maybe I'm different than others,
Speaker 2: but has anybody ever had their first taste of beer
Speaker 2: that you can remember, like when you were a kid,
Speaker 2: Like I know people who this is probably the Bullet
Speaker 2: County coming out, but like I know kids growing up
Speaker 2: that like their parents would let them try beer because
Speaker 2: they wanted them to taste how gross it was, so
Speaker 2: they'd never so they'd never sneak in and drink some
Speaker 2: of them, like it was more so just to make
Speaker 2: sure you wouldn't drink it. So even when you have
Speaker 2: your first one that's like handed to you and you
Speaker 2: want to drink it, like I would imagine most people don't.
Speaker 3: Really enjoy the taste of it, right, I Mean, let's
Speaker 3: be real.
Speaker 2: A lot of people I grew up with when we
Speaker 2: were drinking between the age of seventeen and like twenty one.
Speaker 2: We weren't doing it for anything other than to get hampered, right.
Speaker 2: We weren't doing it to you know, to you know,
Speaker 2: sample different alcoholic beverages to see what we like, or
Speaker 2: just to you know, get a nice get a nice
Speaker 2: taste of a red red cabernet, or you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, we were.
Speaker 2: Getting the cheapest stuff possible, mixing it and trying to
Speaker 2: get the effects of it. So but yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Was, I was.
Speaker 3: Pretty I don't know.
Speaker 2: The older I get, the more I realize that I was,
Speaker 2: I was pretty mild mannered compared to i'd say the average.
Speaker 2: I mean, it wasn't like I was some choir boy
Speaker 2: who never had any fun. But you know, I didn't
Speaker 2: live as much as a lot of people, and I
Speaker 2: kind of I don't know if I regret that or not.
Speaker 2: But now that we're talking about it, like, I don't
Speaker 2: think I knew at the time that.
Speaker 3: I really liked to party.
Speaker 2: Now at thirty six, I'm confirmed party big time guy.
Speaker 5: Could you see yourself partying with your younger self, your
Speaker 5: twenty year old self.
Speaker 3: Now, no, because that person wouldn't be interesting.
Speaker 2: There wouldn't be relatable, like wouldn't be like I wouldn't
Speaker 2: be a good I wouldn't be a good vibe enhancement,
Speaker 2: if you know what I'm saying. But I'm now looking
Speaker 2: forward to like my son getting older to where like
Speaker 2: he's you know, like to this day. This is gonna
Speaker 2: sound really corny, but like there's nothing cooler than like
Speaker 2: having a beer with my dad talking about life and
Speaker 2: me being a dad and him being you know, a
Speaker 2: grandpa and that kind of stuff. So one day, Moose,
Speaker 2: you know, he'll be of age, trust me, and we'll
Speaker 2: have a beer together and crack one and he'll hopefully
Speaker 2: he'll he'll spit it out and say this is disgusting,
Speaker 2: because if so, then I'll know, Yeah, he wasn't pounding
Speaker 2: him in high school behind my back, although I don't
Speaker 2: know his name's Moose.
Speaker 3: Like he's gonna be the.
Speaker 2: Beer drinker of the group, right, and he's a big fella,
Speaker 2: like he's he's you know.
Speaker 5: He's going to be the one that has like the
Speaker 5: camel back, yeah, like with the beer at place.
Speaker 2: If he if he ends up like being the guy
Speaker 2: that is, you know, the beer drinker providing it, maybe
Speaker 2: he's got a party trick where he pounds one and
Speaker 2: crushes it over his head. I'll have to also look
Speaker 2: in the mirror and blame myself. You did name him moose,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like, that's that that that
Speaker 2: kind of kind of and help a situation.
Speaker 4: There not even madam just depressed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's get to a quick break. We'll
Speaker 2: come back on the other side talk a little more
Speaker 2: about this. This matchup we're gonna get between Mark Pope
Speaker 2: and Rick Patino in the CBS Sports Classic, Big Time
Speaker 2: matchup for college hoops, for sure, But is it weird
Speaker 2: for Kentucky? Like are they going to have any kind
Speaker 2: of Oh, we're going up again, because there's nothing you
Speaker 2: wanted more than to beat Rick's brains in when he
Speaker 2: was at Louisville. But I don't think you feel the
Speaker 2: exact same way now. You clearly want to win. You're
Speaker 2: not saying, oh, I hope Rick gets one over Pope.
Speaker 2: But it's just a reminder. This news coming out today
Speaker 2: is a reminder for me of how crazy I mean,
Speaker 2: Like we would have never expected Rick to have any
Speaker 2: type of warm welcome in Lexington, and he did so. Anyways,
Speaker 2: Stick around right here on Sports Talk seven.
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Speaker 2: Day, we'll let you hear a brief back and forth
Speaker 2: between Mark Pope and and Rick Pattino from earlier. Today
Speaker 2: is Day confirmed that they are going to meet in
Speaker 2: just a year two. For Mark Pope, the former Kentucky
Speaker 2: Wildcat who was a captain for Patino on that championship
Speaker 2: team in ninety six, he's now in his second season
Speaker 2: coaching his alma mater and he's gonna be going up
Speaker 2: against his former head coach. Which somebody reminded me of
Speaker 2: this and I totally forgot about it. Mark Pope brought
Speaker 2: his Utah Valley team to the Youum Center to play Rick,
Speaker 2: and I don't remember that being like a real big
Speaker 2: like storyline, if that makes sense. Now, it's a random
Speaker 2: game in like November, December or whatever, So I mean,
Speaker 2: it's not like it would ever get a lot of attention.
Speaker 2: But you know, for as much as Rick has just
Speaker 2: gone out of his way to kind of inject himself
Speaker 2: into this whole story of Pope coming back to Kentucky
Speaker 2: to coach, you know, I just I feel like if
Speaker 2: it was, like if there really was such a strong
Speaker 2: connection between former co I mean, clearly he was a
Speaker 2: good player for him and he was the captain, so
Speaker 2: he was a leader on a team that coach that
Speaker 2: that that Rick you know, wanted won a title with.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean I I I forgot all about that.
Speaker 2: In fact, I questioned if the if the the Texter
Speaker 2: was even if it was it was for real, but no,
Speaker 2: I looked it up and yeah, Utah Valley he was
Speaker 2: there in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, and that's when he
Speaker 2: brought him to the Louisville And I don't remember there
Speaker 2: being any like I remember now him coaching because I
Speaker 2: remember Pope for the Pope if you remember, Pope played
Speaker 2: for Pacers, so like when Reggie and that era was
Speaker 2: going on, and I was really all into the Pacers.
Speaker 2: You know, Pope was the guy they had drafted and
Speaker 2: he was on the team and they played for him
Speaker 2: for two years. But I didn't even know he was coaching.
Speaker 2: I remember, oh yeah, like I remember that guy, didn't
Speaker 2: know he was coaching at Utah Valley State. So I'm
Speaker 2: sure there is a genuine relationship, But it also wouldn't
Speaker 2: shock me if Rick is maybe doing it up a
Speaker 2: little bit because he wants to make it about him.
Speaker 2: Because Rick is really good at a lot of things.
Speaker 2: One of those things is making everything about him. But
Speaker 2: here are the two on a I guess a FaceTime
Speaker 2: call discussing the discussing the big matchup here in the
Speaker 2: CBS Sports Classic.
Speaker 7: It's thirty years since you won your first national championship
Speaker 7: and I got mine thanks to you, and I think
Speaker 7: we should give the Johnnies and all of BBN the
Speaker 7: greatest Christmas gift ever on December twenty and CATLANDA, what
Speaker 7: do you say?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 8: It's it feels like it was about seven eight years.
Speaker 4: Ago that we won the championship.
Speaker 7: But I coached one of the greatest teams in the
Speaker 7: history of the game, and you were the captain, and
Speaker 7: now we get to coach against each other. I'm just
Speaker 7: turning sixty years of age and you're still young.
Speaker 6: I can't wait, Coach.
Speaker 7: I love you so much, man, Let's go make this happens.
Speaker 7: Love you, Mark.
Speaker 4: Let's go and be so exciting for both programs.
Speaker 8: And I look forward to a great Christmas.
Speaker 2: So you know that was pretty it is pretty fluff, right,
Speaker 2: not a whole lot there, but uh, this is like Rick,
Speaker 2: let's be real, he needs this game more so than
Speaker 2: Kentucky would. And that's the same thing when it comes
Speaker 2: to the Louisville matchup. And I mentioned this at the
Speaker 2: beginning of the show. I don't know if anybody was
Speaker 2: able to I'm not sure if those with us now
Speaker 2: were with us, then hopefully there's many of you.
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying, like.
Speaker 2: The Louisville Kentucky or the Louisville and Saint John's matchup
Speaker 2: that got put out there a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 2: from and I understand, like Rick exaggerated sort of where
Speaker 2: they were in the process of that. I think it's
Speaker 2: been thrown out there, but like any talk of it
Speaker 2: actually happening next season in the Garden, as Rick indicated again,
Speaker 2: I think he's getting a little bit ahead of himself.
Speaker 2: But it's because you know, playing Rick Patino if you're Kentucky,
Speaker 2: or playing Rick Btino if you're Louisville. I mean, I'll
Speaker 2: put it this way, Kentucky it's a favor to him
Speaker 2: because they play in the SEC, which is loaded, and
Speaker 2: they also play in the Champions they already were in
Speaker 2: the Champions clas and Saint John's has now got has
Speaker 2: now jumped in and taken UCLA spot. But also, you know,
Speaker 2: they're in the CBS Sports Classic, I'm sorry, in the
Speaker 2: Champions Classic, and you know, they played a tough enough
Speaker 2: schedule to where they're not gonna have to worry about
Speaker 2: having a schedule that, at the end of the season
Speaker 2: is tough enough to get you in the tournament.
Speaker 3: Louisville didn't used to be in that position, but.
Speaker 2: Now they are, so I guess adding Rick to the
Speaker 2: schedule could give you a chance to have a really
Speaker 2: good non conference opponent, and clearly we need that as
Speaker 2: ACC members now just because of how far the league
Speaker 2: has fallen. But overall, like Louisville could also go schedule
Speaker 2: somebody else that's not Saint John's and Beatino and still
Speaker 2: give themselves a chance to go get a really good win.
Speaker 2: So I think Rick wants both of these games because one,
Speaker 2: it will help Saint John's because they will be playing
Speaker 2: in non conference games against two big brands. But also,
Speaker 2: you know, I think Rick knows that like he's.
Speaker 4: Going to be.
Speaker 2: Cheered and applauded when it comes to Kentucky fans in
Speaker 2: this game now, they're not going to want him to win.
Speaker 2: But on the Louisville side of things, here's what I
Speaker 2: don't know, Like, does Rick want this because he wants
Speaker 2: to stick it to us? I kind of feel like
Speaker 2: that's the case. I really do, And even if there
Speaker 2: was no history, like you always want to win. But
Speaker 2: I think Rick, I think he still has an issue
Speaker 2: with with with Louisville the way things went down. And
Speaker 2: I think honestly, despite him making it back and having
Speaker 2: a hell of a year, winning National Coach of the
Speaker 2: Year a share of it this year, I mean, they
Speaker 2: had a really good team and they just fell short
Speaker 2: in the second round. But you know, I think he's
Speaker 2: really content and happy now. But I do think like
Speaker 2: the you know, anybody would probably still feel a certain
Speaker 2: way for him to you know, to have lost their
Speaker 2: job that way now. Again, he also, I think multiple instances,
Speaker 2: has said that he understands why he got fired and
Speaker 2: like he knows why they did it, but he's also
Speaker 2: you know, like put it this way, when his son
Speaker 2: was a candidate, I suppose like Richard did get a
Speaker 2: phone call when the job opened up last year and
Speaker 2: it and it ended up being something that U of
Speaker 2: L did not pursue. They were going to go in
Speaker 2: a different direction, but they did, you know, reach out
Speaker 2: and talk to him, and as you could expect, Richard
Speaker 2: was interested because obviously, going from New Mexico to Louisvie
Speaker 2: would be a big jump, but what does it do
Speaker 2: for the family? And Richard later came out and talked
Speaker 2: about how that would be, like it would have been
Speaker 2: an issue, like it wouldn't have been a comfortable comp
Speaker 2: like basically, I don't think his dad would have tried
Speaker 2: to stop him, but his dad probably didn't want him
Speaker 2: to take that job, and I'm pretty sure he told
Speaker 2: him that. So I don't, you know, I think if
Speaker 2: Richard was up for the UK job, I don't think
Speaker 2: Rick would feel the same way. I think he would
Speaker 2: like want his son to get it, or Rick wouldn't
Speaker 2: get it himself, to be honest with you, So you know,
Speaker 2: I just think the scenarios here are really different. Like
Speaker 2: Kentucky in Rick's eyes, never wronged him, because you know,
Speaker 2: he left them and he wronged them in their eyes
Speaker 2: understandably so because he chose to go to the rival
Speaker 2: and picked Louisville, over, you know, Michigan, and then of course,
Speaker 2: you know, it was.
Speaker 3: Pretty playful in whatever.
Speaker 2: Although I will say when I'll never forget it when
Speaker 2: Rick walked into Reperena the first time as the Louisville
Speaker 2: coach and heard the booze. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 2: if he said it publicly, but those who know him
Speaker 2: have talked about it that he was he could not
Speaker 2: believe and had zero expectation to hear booze like that.
Speaker 2: And I'm telling you, you go back and watch it. The
Speaker 2: body language shifts to where he was visibly stunned, like
Speaker 2: he didn't you know, he has a good poker face,
Speaker 2: like I don't think he looked like wide eyed and scared,
Speaker 2: and he didn't stop in his tracks, but like there
Speaker 2: was a shift in his body language because he was
Speaker 2: on he could not believe that they bowed him. And
Speaker 2: you got to keep in mind this was just four
Speaker 2: years after he left, and at that point he was
Speaker 2: a made man. I mean, he was a rock star.
Speaker 2: He brought Kentucky back from the dead essentially. I mean
Speaker 2: they were in there. I mean, Kentucky was in a
Speaker 2: bad way as a program when he took over, and
Speaker 2: by the time he left, they were on track to
Speaker 2: just continue to be the best program in the country
Speaker 2: with no end in sight had he not taken the
Speaker 2: Celtics job. So you know, he just thought, I I
Speaker 2: for what I did for this fan base and for
Speaker 2: how far down they were, and I propped them up,
Speaker 2: and hell, they got a second title off of my
Speaker 2: players with Hubby Smith. I don't think he's ever said
Speaker 2: that publicly, but like Rick just assumed there was no
Speaker 2: scenario he'd ever not be loved and worshiped because he
Speaker 2: was loved and worshiped in a way that, like you know,
Speaker 2: only coaches at places like Kentucky get loved and worshiped.
Speaker 2: But he also is a really good reminder that, like
Speaker 2: no coach is bigger than any program. Yeah, we appreciate you,
Speaker 2: but you are now coaching the team we hate. It's
Speaker 2: a rivalry, so you know, the hell with you until
Speaker 2: maybe one day you lead Louisville. And of course now
Speaker 2: we see that that doesn't seem to be the same
Speaker 2: feeling that a lot of Kentucky fans have now because
Speaker 2: they do realize that despite him going and the Louisville
Speaker 2: the rival, he did have a big impact in Kentucky
Speaker 2: basketball being able.
Speaker 3: To maintain the brand that they have.
Speaker 2: But he and no one else is bigger than that job,
Speaker 2: just like nobody's bigger than the maleives of basketball. So
Speaker 2: with Rick, like I think the can for those for
Speaker 2: those that are thinking that one day they'll be the
Speaker 2: same level of.
Speaker 3: I guess what do you call it when you when
Speaker 3: you reunite?
Speaker 2: And I guess just move on and start anew and
Speaker 2: don't look back at the past. Like from the from
Speaker 2: Rick's perspective on the Kentucky side, the only thing he
Speaker 2: could he would probably claim that they did that he
Speaker 2: didn't like is that they hired Caliperi, a guy who
Speaker 2: he hates. So he probably was hoping for this day
Speaker 2: to where cal wouldn't be there. And what do you know,
Speaker 2: the guy that comes and takes the job as a
Speaker 2: former player of his to where now he can you know,
Speaker 2: really let it be part of his brand that he's
Speaker 2: a you know, he's he's he's BBN. So I'm not
Speaker 2: defending Rick in any way because look, let's be real,
Speaker 2: like Rick got away with a lot of stuff here
Speaker 2: that most wouldn't. I think the Katina pal thing, despite it,
Speaker 2: in my belief, not being anything he had any direct
Speaker 2: doing or any knowledge of, it still happened, and most coaches.
Speaker 3: Would just be the sacrifice.
Speaker 2: They would they would be the sacrifice of Lamb, right,
Speaker 2: they would be they'd be let go just because of
Speaker 2: the optics of what went on at a program that
Speaker 2: you know, is one that we care about. That like,
Speaker 2: you would never expect anything like that to happen. The
Speaker 2: Karen Cipher stuff is a little different because that that
Speaker 2: is very much his personal life. But also like when
Speaker 2: you're the Lois of basketball coach, you're not just the
Speaker 2: love of basketball coach. You are a different figure around
Speaker 2: here than most. You're the most when things are going well,
Speaker 2: you you kind of run this town. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: the way it is. So rick by the time, like
Speaker 2: by the time he got let go, even if we
Speaker 2: knew at the time that maybe he had little to
Speaker 2: nothing to do with the Brian Bowen situation, despite the
Speaker 2: FBI's documents, like it's still like, look, you can't keep
Speaker 2: you can't keep having this stuff happen. I mean he
Speaker 2: even said as much. So he's you know, I think
Speaker 2: it made sense that you moved on from him when
Speaker 2: you did. But I think the way it played out
Speaker 2: has left Rick to wear I don't know if he'll
Speaker 2: ever not have that Like what Louisville did to him,
Speaker 2: in his mind is something that like he still believes
Speaker 2: is really really wrong, and he's a victim. With Kentucky,
Speaker 2: they never did anything to him. He left them, so like,
Speaker 2: I just think you're gonna see him much more eager
Speaker 2: and joyful to be a part of Kentucky than Louisville
Speaker 2: because of the obvious differences in how things came to
Speaker 2: an end.
Speaker 3: Now with.
Speaker 2: You know, with Rick, like we've talked about this before,
Speaker 2: who's he mad at? Like the situation itself like sucks,
Speaker 2: but overall, like there were three people that he really
Speaker 2: really blamed for his downfall at Louisville as far as
Speaker 2: getting fired David Grissom, Papa John John Schnatterer who used
Speaker 2: to be on the board, and Greg Postal if you
Speaker 2: remember Greg Postal, who was our interim president.
Speaker 3: I think for a little while, like those were three things.
Speaker 2: I think Rick specifically blames all three of them for everything,
Speaker 2: and that you know, it was a witch hunt and
Speaker 2: they were looking to you know, he told the story
Speaker 2: I told, I told my coaches don't even don't even
Speaker 2: get caught Jay walkin. They're they're they're trying to bring
Speaker 2: us down, an exact quote I think from Rick. So
Speaker 2: he should understand that, like, none of those people are
Speaker 2: around anymore, And honestly, it sucks that they were even
Speaker 2: in the position they were in to have influence on
Speaker 2: him getting canned, because like, you know, everything good about
Speaker 2: his time at Louisville, as far as the people along
Speaker 2: the way are all people that I'm sure he still
Speaker 2: loves and everything, you know, including fans, Like I don't
Speaker 2: think Rick relates to fans quite like other coaches do,
Speaker 2: but I mean think he realizes he had great fans
Speaker 2: support when he was here, nothing like, you know, way
Speaker 2: more than he'll ever have at Saint John's. So I
Speaker 2: just wish Rick would you know, he's easier said than done, though,
Speaker 2: because again, think about embarrassing that whole thing was for
Speaker 2: him when he locked the doors in my office, changed
Speaker 2: the locks, but he was pretty upset about it, understandably so,
Speaker 2: but that whole thing, whoever you're angry at, like if
Speaker 2: whoever you think was responsible for it, they're not affiliated
Speaker 2: at all anymore around here. And also they were never
Speaker 2: really a part of the success either, Like you didn't
Speaker 2: get betrayed, it was just bad timing to where people
Speaker 2: were in position to, you know, take action on some stuff,
Speaker 2: and they took action on getting rid of you. Now,
Speaker 2: let's also not act like you didn't give them an
Speaker 2: opportunity to, you know, feel comfortable and confident in a
Speaker 2: swift exit and firing you with calls and not paying
Speaker 2: you any money, which is how it played out. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll see a Louisville Rick Patino reunion in
Speaker 2: some fashion at some point, but I don't think it'll
Speaker 2: be anything like the Kentucky one. And I kind of
Speaker 2: think it makes sense to be honest with you quick
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Speaker 2: All right, as we wrap up the four o'clock hour,
Speaker 2: let's go ahead and get another Derby profile from the
Speaker 2: one and only Jody Dimmling.
Speaker 1: Now look at the Kentucky Derby field one by one Sandman.
Speaker 6: Arkansas Derby winner. Sand Man is one of the most expensive,
Speaker 6: one of the most race and one of the most
Speaker 6: popular horses in this year's Kentucky Derby field. A gray
Speaker 6: and Rowan's son of tap It. Sandman is beautiful out
Speaker 6: on the track and always draws the railbirds attention when
Speaker 6: he is working out in the mornings. Is a one
Speaker 6: point two million dollar purchase from the twenty two twenty
Speaker 6: four oh Calibreeders March Sale, and he has eight career
Speaker 6: starts already, three wins, a second and two third place finishes,
Speaker 6: one point two five million dollars in the bank all
Speaker 6: ready for this closer. Sandman trying to capture Mark Cassie's
Speaker 6: first Kentucky Derby winner. Cassie the veteran trainer oh for
Speaker 6: ten in the Derby Classic Empire finished fourth in two
Speaker 6: thy seventeen jockey Jose Ortiz Oh for nine. He was
Speaker 6: second aboard Good Magic in two thousand and eighteen. Sandman
Speaker 6: is owned by DJ Stables, Saint Elias Stable and West
Speaker 6: Point Thoroughbreds. They teamed up to win with Always Dreaming
Speaker 6: in two thousand and seventeen. Sandman opened his career at
Speaker 6: Churchill Downs with a fifth place finish back in late June.
Speaker 6: He broke his maiden at Saratoga. In early August, he
Speaker 6: was fifth in the Iroquois Stakes at Churchill Downs before
Speaker 6: finishing third to Sovereignty and Tims Tastic, both in the
Speaker 6: Kentucky Derby Field on October twenty seven at Churchill Downs
Speaker 6: in the Street Set Steaks. Cassie didn't play sand Man
Speaker 6: in Allowance Optional Claiming Race, where he won. In early
Speaker 6: December at Oakland Park, he was second in the Southwest Stakes,
Speaker 6: third in the Rebel Stakes, and then he came flying
Speaker 6: down the center of the track at Oakland Park on
Speaker 6: March twenty ninth to win the Arkansas Derby by two
Speaker 6: and a half links. He did we even duck around
Speaker 6: a little bit in the Arkansas Derby. Back in the
Speaker 6: Southwest Stakes a bad break. He has been in trouble
Speaker 6: in pretty much each of his last three races. Cassie
Speaker 6: said he believes this horse has grown up and he
Speaker 6: believes Sandman can take him to the Kentucky Derby winner circle.
Speaker 9: My son used to pitch baseball, and I'd always say,
Speaker 9: when we win, we win.
Speaker 4: When we lose, we learn.
Speaker 9: So he's done some learning, and you know things get
Speaker 9: tight and tough the Derby. He's going to have the
Speaker 9: experience of many other stone, so you know we'll need
Speaker 9: some luck. There's no question in my mind that he's
Speaker 9: going to enjoy the mile and a quarter more than
Speaker 9: probably most so, those are two big plusses that we
Speaker 9: have going for.
Speaker 6: US Arkansas Derby winner sand Man
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