1 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:19,559 Speaker 1: At a. 2 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:28,879 Speaker 2: Book. 3 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: If you'd like to be able to listen to the 4 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,959 show without ads and have full access to bonus content, 5 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,480 that's an option. To find out how, please go to 6 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:42,840 Dogmanencounters dot com forward slash podcast. Tonight's guest Bruce Brown 7 00:01:42,879 --> 00:01:45,400 has had multiple dog Man Encounters over the years, and 8 00:01:45,439 --> 00:01:48,599 on episodes six twenty three and six twenty four, he 9 00:01:48,719 --> 00:01:51,200 chronicled the encounters he had had up to that point, 10 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,840 but since episode six twenty four eared, he's had new experiences. 11 00:01:55,599 --> 00:01:57,599 By far, the most intense one was when he had 12 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,599 a front row seat to a Dogman fight. Well, without 13 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,920 any further ado, let's bring them in here now so 14 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,599 we can find out what happened. Bruce, thanks so much 15 00:02:06,599 --> 00:02:07,359 for coming back. 16 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,879 Speaker 2: He glad to be back, enjoyed being here. 17 00:02:13,319 --> 00:02:17,479 Speaker 1: Well, it's always great having you, it really is, Bruce. 18 00:02:17,759 --> 00:02:20,759 Like I mentioned before, you're featured on episode six twenty 19 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,719 three and six twenty four. But for the listeners who 20 00:02:23,759 --> 00:02:26,759 missed those two episodes, please give us a brief bio 21 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:27,439 on yourself. 22 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 2: Well, some former law enforcement officer started out as well. 23 00:02:33,199 --> 00:02:40,960 Patrolman went to deputy, share, went to sergeant, sergeant of patrol, detective, 24 00:02:41,719 --> 00:02:46,039 and then shaping narcotics. That's pretty much mate. 25 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,879 Speaker 1: Well, you've got a lot of credentials there in law enforcement. 26 00:02:49,319 --> 00:02:52,039 Have you put any thought into how complicated your life 27 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,520 would be if you were still working in law enforcement 28 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,240 and had all these experiences that we're going to talk 29 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:57,919 about tonight. 30 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be very calm ocase I wouldn't be able 31 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,120 to talk about it now. 32 00:03:03,159 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: I'd say, you wouldn't be able to tell. And I 33 00:03:05,599 --> 00:03:08,159 might have touched on this in episode six twenty three 34 00:03:08,319 --> 00:03:10,400 or six twenty four, but I can't for the life 35 00:03:10,479 --> 00:03:13,120 of me remember if I ever asked you about this 36 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,840 When you were working in law enforcement, did you have 37 00:03:16,879 --> 00:03:21,159 any standing orders and how to handle a situation where 38 00:03:21,199 --> 00:03:24,199 you came upon an eyewitness who had seen something like 39 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:24,879 a dog man. 40 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 2: Yes, we do have standing orders, not only from witnesses, 41 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:37,000 but what we take to what we see, whether these 42 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,319 scripteds or hip WI vehicles in the roadways and stuff. 43 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:45,680 We have a policy and procedure, and then we have 44 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,960 a number we have to call, and then that's turned 45 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:55,360 over to whatever government agency it falls under. With that 46 00:03:55,479 --> 00:04:00,479 particular incident. We still have to do our incident and accidents. 47 00:04:01,439 --> 00:04:09,439 That's turned in eventually. Then that's turned over to federal agencies, 48 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,680 meaning they take it a lot of times without us 49 00:04:13,719 --> 00:04:17,160 knowing it. We're not giving any heads up on it. 50 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:20,199 So when they arrive on the scene, they take over 51 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,240 the scene. We assist a lot of times. I'll do 52 00:04:24,319 --> 00:04:32,079 measurements and stuff encrypted itself. How the accident happened. It 53 00:04:32,199 --> 00:04:34,959 gets into a very very long detail. It's just like 54 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,920 a human a pedestrian being hitting the rope. It takes 55 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:43,680 several hours to work it, and generally when the federal 56 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:48,000 government shows up, they take it over and then we 57 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,480 just assist. And if it's not in a real heavily 58 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:57,000 populated area, they'll go ahead and break the forensics out 59 00:04:57,079 --> 00:05:00,639 there and work it in the suburban area you're out 60 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,639 in the countryside. But if it's in the city or town, 61 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,639 they will quickly loaded the crypt of the dog man 62 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,639 er the big put up and leave the scene, and 63 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,519 then we'll wait on the record and stuff for the car, 64 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,519 and sometimes they will take the vehicle theirselves too. 65 00:05:18,759 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: You had first hand experience about how that process works, 66 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,199 but not because someone came upon a dog man. It 67 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,720 was because of a sasquatch. With that in mind, when 68 00:05:28,759 --> 00:05:31,519 the Feds were on the scene. Do they treat you 69 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:35,519 with professional regard or just brush you off and show 70 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:36,360 you no respect. 71 00:05:37,439 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 2: No, it's all highly professional. We're treated with respect. You've 72 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,480 got to keep in mind that every certified law enforcement 73 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:52,040 officer has to sign a policy and procedure book. In 74 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:56,360 that book contains what you can say and what you 75 00:05:56,399 --> 00:06:02,439 can't say, and it's full of so many rules it's unreal. 76 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:06,639 But without going into detail and giving too much out 77 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,279 on it, it basically says, keep your mouth shut, do 78 00:06:10,439 --> 00:06:14,639 your job, turn the reports in, and whatever happens happens. 79 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one of those or else type situations. 80 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 2: Right, not good at all. 81 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: That's definitely one of those situations where if you can 82 00:06:23,519 --> 00:06:27,399 avoid being in that situation by all means, definitely do it. 83 00:06:27,439 --> 00:06:30,319 But you didn't have a choice. It was basically forced 84 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:35,120 upon you, and that's unfortunate. Well, Bruce, I'm sure there 85 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,279 are quite a few people who are listening to tonight's 86 00:06:37,319 --> 00:06:40,920 show who missed episode six twenty three and six twenty four. 87 00:06:41,079 --> 00:06:44,079 So can you kind of breeze over the encounters that 88 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,759 you talked about on those first two shows for us? 89 00:06:47,319 --> 00:06:51,079 Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, be glad to uh. One of the encounters 90 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:57,480 I had gen sing honey, and that particular dog man 91 00:06:57,639 --> 00:07:01,279 followed me home. I had do some damage to my 92 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,720 car before I left there, but it followed me home. 93 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,639 Another one that I dealt with a dog man I 94 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:14,600 called Laser Eyes. It followed me out of the woods 95 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:20,480 after I found its puppy coming down a grapevine. That's 96 00:07:20,519 --> 00:07:26,199 pretty much it on that it did jump on my car. 97 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:31,319 The Laser Eyes did. Also the car received a cracked 98 00:07:31,319 --> 00:07:35,319 windshield and a broken mirror out of the deal. The 99 00:07:35,439 --> 00:07:39,000 first one followed me home about eighteen miles, and I 100 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,480 didn't know it until after dark that it was there, 101 00:07:42,759 --> 00:07:46,079 so I ended up having to deal with it head on, 102 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,160 and I finally was able to push it out of 103 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:50,480 the area away from my home. 104 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: I don't think I ever did ask you, did you 105 00:07:54,199 --> 00:07:56,959 go straight home that night, the night that Laser Eyes 106 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,839 followed you home? Or did you take a circuitt his path? 107 00:08:00,879 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 2: No? I took I went straight home, and I learned 108 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:08,079 from that it was eighteen miles from where I've seen 109 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:12,120 him at had my encounter with him. Till I got home, 110 00:08:12,199 --> 00:08:14,839 it was exactly eighteen miles. It was like three thirty 111 00:08:14,839 --> 00:08:19,519 in the evening. I had got behind school buses and traffic, 112 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,160 and I've never really figured out how I was able 113 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,639 to follow me home with nobody seeing it, including me. 114 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: If I remember, I didn't you see that for the 115 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,399 most part, there were woods all the way home. It 116 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:38,840 could have used to follow you without necessarily having to 117 00:08:38,919 --> 00:08:42,240 leave and go through a shopping center, for example. Or 118 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,840 were there open parts that would have had to cross. 119 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 2: Yes, there were several open fields that it would have 120 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,639 had to cross. And I was on the State Highway 121 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,279 and quite a bit of traffic at that time of evening. 122 00:08:55,039 --> 00:08:58,120 And again it was a lot of woods too, you know, 123 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:02,440 there were open patches of builds, builds and tobacco patches, 124 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:07,279 corn patches and stuff along with woods all the way 125 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,279 to my house, and then at my house there was 126 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,279 a mixedwalth of woods. There was about five miles long. 127 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: Life is difficult enough and you don't have to worry 128 00:09:16,399 --> 00:09:18,440 about having a dog men right out your door. But 129 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,279 I can't even imagine what that must have been like. 130 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,200 Had to be awfully difficult. You know. 131 00:09:24,279 --> 00:09:26,639 Speaker 2: It unnerves you to start with, but you get used 132 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,200 to them after a while, but not really that aggressive. 133 00:09:30,279 --> 00:09:33,480 They didn't they didn't attack me. They did my car, 134 00:09:33,639 --> 00:09:38,600 but they didn't attack me, so I dealt with them 135 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:39,559 best I could. 136 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: Well it worked out just fine from the way you said, 137 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,480 you eventually were able to drive it off, so thank 138 00:09:47,519 --> 00:09:50,879 goodness to that. If you've had a dog mean encounter 139 00:09:50,919 --> 00:09:52,799 that you need help dealing with, or if you'd like 140 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,080 to be a guest on the show, please go to 141 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,039 Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report. If you've had 142 00:09:59,039 --> 00:10:00,720 a big foot sighting, I would like to be a 143 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,679 guest on one of my two big foot podcasts, please 144 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:09,120 go to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com. Well all right, then, Bruce, 145 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,320 please bring us up to speed now on these recent 146 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,399 encounters you had. Now, please give us everal last detail 147 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:15,240 that comes to mind. 148 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:20,159 Speaker 2: I was over in ticket Entrance County Line here in Tennessee, 149 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,559 and I had went off the bottom of a mountain 150 00:10:24,279 --> 00:10:29,519 all the way down into a holler, and I had 151 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,440 found some dog man tracks and I was following them 152 00:10:32,519 --> 00:10:36,240 up a spring branch. And in the middle of the 153 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,679 spring branch was a huge rock, probably twelve foot tall, 154 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:44,720 about twenty five foot long. When I got up to 155 00:10:44,759 --> 00:10:49,120 the side of it, looking down looking at following these tracks. 156 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,159 As I was coming around that rock, I come face 157 00:10:53,279 --> 00:10:57,000 to face within several inches of a hireless dog man. 158 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:01,519 He didn't have any hair on it. So I let 159 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,600 out of war. Whoop. He let out of warhoop. He 160 00:11:03,639 --> 00:11:07,919 went one way. I went to others, and I went 161 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:12,519 back down the creek or spring brancher. And after I 162 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:17,960 got i'd say a couple of hollers deep, sat down 163 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,840 there resting, watching, and here he come. He followed me 164 00:11:21,919 --> 00:11:27,080 down the creek, and then I eased back up the 165 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:31,840 mountain side, and he followed me about half way up 166 00:11:31,879 --> 00:11:34,799 the mountain. And then I made it to my vehicle 167 00:11:34,919 --> 00:11:38,639 and left, but he never come out. So he didn't 168 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,720 come no rather than half way up the mountain. And 169 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:48,279 I went back three days later to the same place 170 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,799 and found more tracks, and this time I was able 171 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,200 to track it to a cave. So when I got 172 00:11:55,240 --> 00:12:00,279 to the cave, I was trying to be as white 173 00:12:00,279 --> 00:12:03,480 as I could. And then I backed off and went 174 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:05,919 around the side of the hill about twenty five yards 175 00:12:05,919 --> 00:12:10,120 and sat down watching the cave. And it come out 176 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:14,279 of the cave and didn't see me at first, and 177 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:19,799 it's about I would say, it's seven foot tall, no 178 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,080 hair on him. It looked like an albino dog man 179 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,519 and it was a male. It was obvious it was 180 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:31,759 a male. I let out a hoot al call. He 181 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,720 turned and looked right at me, and then he just 182 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,159 stared at me for what seemed like minutes but it 183 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,960 was probably just a few seconds. And then when I 184 00:12:43,039 --> 00:12:46,679 got up to move, he also moved, but he shadowed me. 185 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:52,600 And then I went into another holler of the next 186 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,080 haller over and over a ridge, and then I set 187 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:00,960 up on a bluff where I could see the top 188 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,320 of the ridge real good, and he come across the ridge, 189 00:13:05,919 --> 00:13:08,960 more or less tracking me. And then when he got 190 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,639 within itches is seventy five yards, I made another hoot 191 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,120 alcohol and he stopped, and then he sat there and 192 00:13:17,159 --> 00:13:21,639 watched me. And then after just a few minutes of 193 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:25,600 us playing a cat and mouse game, he turned around 194 00:13:25,639 --> 00:13:30,559 and left, and I'm assuming he went back to the cave. 195 00:13:31,759 --> 00:13:35,440 So I waited another week and went back. And this 196 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:40,080 time I crawled into the cave and when I did, 197 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,919 our noses just about touch. We were just inches apart. 198 00:13:44,759 --> 00:13:47,039 So I backed out as quick as a person could 199 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:52,240 get out. I was on my hands and knees. I 200 00:13:52,279 --> 00:13:54,720 got out then, and he let out a big scream, 201 00:13:55,279 --> 00:14:00,960 but he never come out of the cave. Evening late, 202 00:14:02,039 --> 00:14:04,799 he come out of the cave and I was over 203 00:14:04,879 --> 00:14:09,440 on the next hillside watching for him. And he come 204 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,960 out and went down the creek. And what I mean 205 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,240 by creek, it's a big spring branch, a lot of 206 00:14:16,279 --> 00:14:19,240 water coming out of the spring. It's pretty wide, it's 207 00:14:19,279 --> 00:14:23,039 probably twelve fourteen foot wide. There's probably spots in it 208 00:14:23,559 --> 00:14:28,279 knee deep, waist deep, and ankle deep. It's crystal clear water. 209 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,120 And he come out and went down the creek and 210 00:14:31,279 --> 00:14:34,600 was flipping rocks over. I'm assuming he was trying to 211 00:14:34,639 --> 00:14:38,879 catch a crap issure, just whatever he could find there. 212 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:44,840 And then he winded me. He raised up and smelled 213 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,559 the air and winded me and turned right around and 214 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,159 looked at me up on the hill, and he bobbed 215 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:54,519 his head back and forth, and he was on his legs. 216 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,720 He was swinging from one leg to the next with 217 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:58,919 his head bob and trying to look around the trees 218 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,200 at me. And then I got up right then and 219 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,120 let him see me. And then he's on out to 220 00:15:05,159 --> 00:15:07,000 the top of the hill and walked my way back 221 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:11,399 out to the vehicle and left. And the next one 222 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:16,600 I got into was seven dog men at one time 223 00:15:16,679 --> 00:15:22,840 in a holler at the Upman County Smith County line. 224 00:15:23,679 --> 00:15:28,559 And those seven dogmen were about your average height for dogmen, 225 00:15:28,639 --> 00:15:31,600 between seven well, i'll say six and a half to 226 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:38,720 seven and a half foot tall. Five of them ended 227 00:15:38,759 --> 00:15:43,240 up fighting, but they followed me before they started fighting. 228 00:15:43,279 --> 00:15:50,399 They followed me probably seven eight hundred yards up and 229 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:54,039 down a holler and across the ridge and back down 230 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,600 another holler that come back around to where they was 231 00:15:56,639 --> 00:16:03,000 originally at. So when I got down there for where 232 00:16:03,039 --> 00:16:06,399 they was originally at, they had followed me back around. 233 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:12,759 But they was three males and four females a total 234 00:16:12,799 --> 00:16:24,440 of seven. Two of the males stayed back and four 235 00:16:24,519 --> 00:16:28,919 females and the males got into a fight. Each female 236 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,039 was fighting a male, and then on one of the males, 237 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,600 two females was fighting that male, and they fought for 238 00:16:35,799 --> 00:16:38,440 just a few minutes. There was still at it, and 239 00:16:38,519 --> 00:16:41,519 I decided it was time for me to ease on 240 00:16:41,639 --> 00:16:44,919 out of that haller and put some distance. But at 241 00:16:44,919 --> 00:16:47,799 the same time, I went up a long hauler where 242 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:53,720 I could see them at a great distance. By staying 243 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,519 in the creek bed, there's big boulders and stuff in 244 00:16:57,519 --> 00:17:00,440 that creek bed, and I was able to get back 245 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,759 several hundred yards I wont say two hundred yards and 246 00:17:04,839 --> 00:17:10,319 were able to watch them, and then they got done fighting. 247 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,640 In What has happened there is the females had whooped, 248 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:18,680 the males had put pretty good whooping on them. And 249 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,279 then the only thing I could think about that is 250 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:27,640 is they were they interrupted the males from follering me 251 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:33,759 for some strange reason. I'm just trying to speculate exactly 252 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:38,079 what went down, but they stepped in and fought them 253 00:17:38,079 --> 00:17:46,440 with the males. And I went from that to stand 254 00:17:46,519 --> 00:17:51,799 in Stone State Park again and run across the dog 255 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:56,200 man puppy that I had dealt with previously. While he 256 00:17:56,319 --> 00:17:59,720 was about fifteen pounds, now he weighed between I won't 257 00:17:59,759 --> 00:18:05,200 say sixty to seventy five, maybe eighty pounds. And I 258 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,480 had gone down below close to the lake there at 259 00:18:08,519 --> 00:18:12,279 standing Stone State Park, and there were some people on 260 00:18:12,319 --> 00:18:17,359 a trail above me, out of sight, and when I 261 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:24,039 got when I got down I won't say a good 262 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:29,960 eighty eighty five yards below them, going around the edge 263 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,519 of that lake, I come across his dog man pup again. 264 00:18:34,839 --> 00:18:37,319 Now he still had the clear eyes, but he had 265 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,799 a sort of a green tint to him, and at 266 00:18:40,799 --> 00:18:43,680 that time I just assumed it was the sunlight hitting him, 267 00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:49,559 but he remembered me. He stopped and looked at me 268 00:18:49,599 --> 00:18:54,039 for a long time, and I started talking and just 269 00:18:54,079 --> 00:18:57,839 talking out loud, and he kept listening to the people 270 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,359 on the hill. He wasn't that worried about out me, 271 00:19:01,039 --> 00:19:03,160 but he walked towards me and stopped, and then turned 272 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,039 around and walked back to the end of the edge 273 00:19:06,039 --> 00:19:09,079 of the laker and it would walked back, and he 274 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:13,480 made a gesture with his hand. I called it a 275 00:19:13,519 --> 00:19:16,519 hand that looked like a raccoon hand, a giant and 276 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:18,960 he stepped in the edge of the water and then 277 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,759 looked back at me and walked back out of the water. Well, 278 00:19:21,759 --> 00:19:24,039 I finally figured out he wanted me to follow him. 279 00:19:26,039 --> 00:19:28,359 So I wasn't about to swim that lake without any 280 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,000 kind of sistance. That's cold water lake. It's colding up 281 00:19:32,039 --> 00:19:35,359 to have trout in it. So I found a small 282 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:41,160 logger about as big as your leg. I put long maybe, 283 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,680 and I pitched it in the water, and then I 284 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,640 got down in the water with him, and I grabbed 285 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,640 a whole bit, and me and him swum across over 286 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:55,359 to where a building was that housed rental aluminum boats 287 00:19:56,079 --> 00:19:59,319 and paddle boats. Where it was late in the evening, 288 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,160 almost dark, so they hadn't had any boat rents out. 289 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,920 They always bring him in an hour or so before dark, 290 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,839 so there was nobody there. So we got out there, 291 00:20:12,799 --> 00:20:16,720 walked across the dock and was headed over the dam 292 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,160 part just at one lane road goes over a dam. 293 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,119 And when we was headed over that, we could hear 294 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:29,200 some people talking down below that. So he motioned for 295 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,240 me to follow him in a different direction and we 296 00:20:32,279 --> 00:20:36,480 went straight up a mountainside. Of course, I had to 297 00:20:36,519 --> 00:20:40,319 stop several times to rest, and he just stayed right 298 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:44,119 above me, just a few feet above me, and I'd 299 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,200 sit down and rest and he was just standing there 300 00:20:46,279 --> 00:20:51,440 looking around, watching and then I'd get up to take 301 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,559 off walking. We'd do that. We do that probably seven 302 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,559 or eight times before we got up to the top 303 00:20:56,599 --> 00:20:59,319 of the mountain. On the hill there there was an 304 00:20:59,319 --> 00:21:04,359 open piel well. I could hear the highway, a state 305 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:10,799 route called Baptist Ridge Road, and he walked through that building. 306 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,759 I followed him, and just before we got inside the road, 307 00:21:15,039 --> 00:21:21,720 he stopped and motioned with his hand, motioned outward with 308 00:21:21,799 --> 00:21:25,319 his hand instead of pointing. And then when I was 309 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,400 looking around to see what he was motioning at, when 310 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,480 I turned back, he was walking off. Well. I started 311 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:36,279 to follow him, and he stopped again and motioned with 312 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,160 his hand by laying it flat and slinging it out. 313 00:21:40,519 --> 00:21:43,720 And so I stood there and I heard of vehicle, 314 00:21:43,839 --> 00:21:48,160 a loud truck coming, and he turned around and walked 315 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,720 back off in dge of the woods. So I walked 316 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,920 back up to the road, and when I got there 317 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:59,519 to the road, an elderly man pulled over and he said, 318 00:21:59,559 --> 00:22:01,559 you need a out? I said, yes, sir, I sure do. 319 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,720 I said, I'm parked over in the park, in the 320 00:22:04,759 --> 00:22:08,319 parking there. So he took me and dropped me off there, 321 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,200 and he was asking me what I was doing soaking wet. 322 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,519 I said, well, I fell in the lake there. I 323 00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:18,759 didn't tell him exactly what was going on. And then 324 00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:22,440 from that I went to Last night, I got a 325 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:27,480 call around twelve thirty, twelve forty five from a friend 326 00:22:27,599 --> 00:22:32,720 whose friend was concerned about a large woof walking around 327 00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:37,359 his house and barn, and he had just had some 328 00:22:39,079 --> 00:22:44,000 pigs that were born. They were a few weeks old. 329 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:49,240 They're probably weighed ten or fifteen pound a piece. And 330 00:22:49,839 --> 00:22:52,480 he wanted me to go talk to man. So he 331 00:22:52,519 --> 00:22:54,440 gave me his phone number and I called him, talked 332 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,720 to him and he told me that today before he 333 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,839 was out putting pound pence to keep his pigs in 334 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,759 the lot where they could go in and out of 335 00:23:04,799 --> 00:23:08,680 the barn, and then on the inside of the hog 336 00:23:08,759 --> 00:23:12,599 lot where he was installing the pound pens, this giant 337 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,759 wolf walks up out of the gully in the honeysuckle 338 00:23:16,839 --> 00:23:21,119 patch and walks within twenty five feet of him. Now 339 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:26,880 he's got a thirty eight Special revolver hostered on his side, 340 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,640 and it shocks him. He said, you've never seen nothing 341 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,680 like it. So he pulls up and he shoots it. Well, 342 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,920 it lets out of scream and takes off and runs 343 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:41,200 back down in the gully. So he's telling me all this, 344 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,240 and then as he's telling me this, he's saying, now, 345 00:23:44,759 --> 00:23:47,680 when it got dark, it could come back to the house, 346 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,440 and it's going around my house, around and around the house. 347 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,039 Has been up to my pig barn a couple of times, 348 00:23:54,079 --> 00:23:56,480 but it keeps coming back to the house. I think 349 00:23:56,559 --> 00:23:59,839 I'm or I've shot it. It may may be after me, 350 00:24:00,079 --> 00:24:05,160 coming after me, And so I went. It was about 351 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,400 twenty minutes from where I live, and that's up above 352 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,920 between Monterey and Crossfell, Tennessee. So I jumped in the 353 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,759 car and I told him I'm headed that way. I 354 00:24:14,759 --> 00:24:17,720 stayed on the pond with him, and we could hear 355 00:24:17,759 --> 00:24:21,519 some pretty good house and screams. And I told him, 356 00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:24,319 I said, when I pulled in your driveway. Now he's 357 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,039 a farmer, there's no houses close to him. I pulled 358 00:24:28,079 --> 00:24:30,640 in his driveway, I cut my headlights off and east 359 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,759 up there, and I told him, I'm going to sit 360 00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:35,720 in my car. I've got my gun with me, and 361 00:24:35,759 --> 00:24:38,200 I'm gonna watch and see if he comes back around 362 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,880 the house, because I'm not seeing him when I pulled in, 363 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,319 I didn't see him. Well about twenty twenty five thirty 364 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,559 minutes went by and I seen him. He started coming 365 00:24:48,599 --> 00:24:51,640 around to the side of the house. I could looking 366 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,759 at the house. I could see the front of the house, 367 00:24:53,839 --> 00:24:57,880 the porch. I could see the right hand side of 368 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,839 the house, but I could not see the whole left 369 00:25:00,839 --> 00:25:03,880 hand side of the house. And I could only see 370 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,599 the barn and the barn door from the angle where 371 00:25:06,599 --> 00:25:11,880 I was at. Well, he he's telling me on the phone. 372 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:16,640 He said, he's at my back porch now. So I'm waiting, 373 00:25:17,599 --> 00:25:19,759 and sure enough he comes around the upper side of 374 00:25:19,799 --> 00:25:25,119 the house and it's a dog man. He's got more 375 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,039 of a German shepherd type head, which is a very 376 00:25:29,039 --> 00:25:31,440 strange for up in here, this part of the country. 377 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,319 And so he comes around the house. He gets on 378 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,960 the porch and he starts looking in this man's windows 379 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,960 and I'm telling the mount said cut your light off. 380 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,599 Cut your lights off in the house. So he cuts 381 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,000 the lights off in the house. And then I told 382 00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:50,680 him to go into one of those rooms there and 383 00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:52,960 just be still. And he said, well, I said, I've 384 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,759 got my pistol on me. I said, well, he knocks 385 00:25:55,759 --> 00:25:58,079 the window out and tries to come in. That you 386 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,480 got to defend yourself now, I said, don't we praid 387 00:26:00,519 --> 00:26:03,200 to use that gun? He said, oh, I'm not. I'm not. 388 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,799 He said, I'll use it in a minute. So this 389 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:14,240 dog man keeps circling the house and I told him, 390 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:19,160 I said, listen, I'm going to cut my headlights on 391 00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:21,720 bright as soon as he comes back around the front 392 00:26:21,759 --> 00:26:27,960 of the house on the porch and see what he 393 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:33,400 looks like, get a description, and see where you shot 394 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,279 him at. And so I cut my lights on. He 395 00:26:37,319 --> 00:26:39,359 comes back around, gets on the porch. I cut my 396 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,359 headlights on bright, and I drive up in his yard 397 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,519 at the same time. Well, this big thing's on the porch, 398 00:26:46,039 --> 00:26:48,480 but he has no spot on him where he was shot. 399 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:53,440 I'll keep in mind where the farmer shot him in 400 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,400 the evening before. He did see blood, so there was 401 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:02,680 nothing wrong with this dog man. So he comes off 402 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,240 the porch and runs back to the side of the house, 403 00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:08,440 and this time he cuts and goes over to the barn. 404 00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:11,119 And by then I have pulled up close enough to 405 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,240 the porch. I can't see the barn entrance, but I 406 00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:19,279 heard the pigs squealing, so I jumped out. And I 407 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,880 know if I used a shotgun I could I could 408 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,160 pretty much carry him off, I hoped. So I told him. 409 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,119 I said, you could come out with me, or even 410 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:29,960 stay in the house. He said, I ain't coming out. 411 00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:35,039 I said, okay, I said, pigs are squealing. He said, well, 412 00:27:35,039 --> 00:27:38,759 it's in the barn. So I e's up to the barn. 413 00:27:39,799 --> 00:27:42,559 Nothing pigs are squealing, but I can't find him. I 414 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,880 got a good flash light. He's nowhere in the barn. 415 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,720 And I go back out and I knock on the 416 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,759 apartment door and I hollered town him. I say, it's me, 417 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,640 don't shoot through the door. So he opens the door 418 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,039 and he comes back outside with me, and we're sitting 419 00:27:57,039 --> 00:27:59,720 there talking to me, and he's telling him, you know, 420 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,480 just pointing right where he shot him at. And there. 421 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,799 We walked over there and there was just a little 422 00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:09,319 blood on the ground and a little blood on some 423 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,200 honeysuckles where he tove into those honeysuckles in that gully. 424 00:28:14,039 --> 00:28:18,400 We shined a light there and couldn't find anything. So 425 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,880 we went back to his house and went in the house. 426 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,519 And now by this time it's three, three fifteen in 427 00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:28,000 the morning, and I tell him I'll stay here the 428 00:28:28,079 --> 00:28:31,839 daylight with you and see if he comes back. Well, 429 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,200 he come back, and this time we caught him looking 430 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,559 in the window at us. Now here's here's the part 431 00:28:38,279 --> 00:28:41,519 that I got a hit on myself on the guy's 432 00:28:41,559 --> 00:28:45,559 got a bite and pit bull dog in the house. 433 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:52,880 This dog was cowered. He stayed under the kitchen table. 434 00:28:53,559 --> 00:28:56,240 And then when we'd moved into the living room. He 435 00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:58,960 would get behind the couch and he wasn't coming out. 436 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,880 He just went and whining. And if I asked him, 437 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,799 I says, he normally do that. He said, no, he 438 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,039 doesn't do that. He'll bark, sohout I have to make 439 00:29:08,119 --> 00:29:13,759 him shut up. I went, well, I said, I observed 440 00:29:13,799 --> 00:29:16,319 the dog man from the porch and he didn't have 441 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,400 any blood on him, but no holes anything. It looked 442 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,400 like he'd been shot. And this dog man was chet black, 443 00:29:25,079 --> 00:29:28,519 covered up quite a bit with hair, not long hair, 444 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:34,559 more like a cat or bear hair. He had an 445 00:29:34,599 --> 00:29:41,359 extremely long snout on him, like a German shepherd. He 446 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:46,160 had a bodybuild, upper bodybuild of a man, but the 447 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:52,480 back end and legs were narrowed down about like a wolf. 448 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:58,079 But he had big paws on the back legs. So 449 00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:01,559 it was in the house, I see the dog man 450 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:06,200 comes back. By then, I had raised the kitchen blind 451 00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:09,160 over the kitchen sink, and we were sitting there in 452 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:15,720 the dark talking and the dog started whimpering again. So 453 00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:18,279 I had my flashlight. I just cut my flashlight on 454 00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:20,559 the kitchen window, and there he stood, looking right at 455 00:30:20,599 --> 00:30:23,680 both of us. So I reached and got my shotgun 456 00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:28,200 and stepped out the back door. And when he broke 457 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,519 the run, he dropped down on all fours and I 458 00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:33,920 shot him with a shotgun and he run into the barn. 459 00:30:34,279 --> 00:30:36,880 This time I seen him go in the barn, so 460 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,240 I went into the barn started shooting him with a shotgun, 461 00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:43,160 and he went out the back of the barn. And 462 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,079 then I stayed with the farmer until about six or 463 00:30:47,119 --> 00:30:51,359 six thirty this morning, and we never heard nothing else 464 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,680 out of him. Well that's pretty much the end of 465 00:30:54,759 --> 00:31:00,880 that encounter. And so we walked back after the barn 466 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:06,359 after good daylight and checked his livestock. None of his 467 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,200 pigs were hurt. His hog wouldn't hurt his solves. But 468 00:31:10,279 --> 00:31:13,920 we did find a bag of what we call piggy punch. 469 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,319 When the pigs get up to about ten or fifteen pounds, 470 00:31:16,319 --> 00:31:18,799 when you wing them off of a sow, you beat 471 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,079 them at piggy punch. We did find a bag of 472 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,720 piggy punch, a twenty five pounds bag. Over half of 473 00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:29,640 it was eating eating, So we assumed that's what he 474 00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:35,640 was after. So, like I said, that's about it. On 475 00:31:35,839 --> 00:31:42,279 that again said, we did find the blood, but this 476 00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:46,559 had to be a different dog man, and so I assumed, 477 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,720 don't oprah fact that this dog man had come back 478 00:31:50,759 --> 00:31:55,119 looking for its mate that was shot, and that's the 479 00:31:55,119 --> 00:31:57,599 reason why he was hanging around there. He probably smelt 480 00:31:57,599 --> 00:32:01,519 where the other was there. But like I said, we 481 00:32:01,599 --> 00:32:05,440 looked in that galy through those honey cycles. We found 482 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,720 blood on the honey cycles there, but no dog man. 483 00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:13,519 We didn't find any dead dog man. So we know 484 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,599 this one was injured, but the one that come to 485 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:20,160 the house wasn't injured at all. So that's about that 486 00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:22,079 to do with that one. 487 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,759 Speaker 1: Considering the fact that that man shot the female. From 488 00:32:26,759 --> 00:32:28,880 now on, have you sworn off going back into that 489 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,880 area or do you think it's going to be a 490 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,519 key to head back into that area even though what 491 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,759 he did still hasn't been resolved. 492 00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 2: I don't think it will come back. I mean, I 493 00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:44,720 shot it with a shotgun probably a total of four times. 494 00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:48,640 Burn it. I mean, I didn't you know, I told 495 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,440 him the last thing you wanted to do was kill him, 496 00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:57,720 because they're not really coming after you. But by shooting 497 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:02,039 it with that thirty eight running off into that gully 498 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,799 like it, I'm sure it might come looking for Like 499 00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:09,000 I said, I really don't believe it will come back. 500 00:33:09,079 --> 00:33:12,839 I think it will find its might. I think that 501 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,119 short period of time it just tracked it to there 502 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:22,519 and it wasn't there, and we're just took him, just 503 00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:24,880 took some running off, burning him with a shotgun a 504 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,519 few times, and get him out of there. 505 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: I know it's not lost on you that. With sasquatch, 506 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,279 for example, if you have one sighting, it's almost like 507 00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:36,480 if you see one sasquatch, all the other sasquatch that 508 00:33:36,519 --> 00:33:40,599 you're around in your future years somehow they know it, 509 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,920 and that makes you a lot more likely to have 510 00:33:43,119 --> 00:33:44,680 future sightings as well. 511 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:45,359 Speaker 2: Well. 512 00:33:45,599 --> 00:33:48,559 Speaker 1: With regards to dog men, do you have any fear 513 00:33:48,599 --> 00:33:51,079 that they have some kind of equality like that where 514 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,680 in the future, if you're in the presence of another 515 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,680 dog man, that's somehow, some way it might know that 516 00:33:56,759 --> 00:33:57,480 you shot. 517 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 2: One of them. Yes. Yes, And I believe it's not 518 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,880 that they mark you, because you know, like mark on 519 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,760 your body or nothing. I believe it's they know how 520 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:14,079 you present yourself, how your confidence is, when you show 521 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:19,239 no fear, and somehow they pick up that you've dealt 522 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,360 with them before. I don't know how that is. I mean, 523 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,079 I'm still trying to figure that out myself. But yeah, 524 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,079 I've run into dog men that I have shot with 525 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:36,920 shotguns and run into a totally different dog man seventy 526 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,239 five miles away, and for some reason, they thinks I'm 527 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,679 his buddy. You know, it's not scared of me, and 528 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,360 it's not trying to hurt me. It's like it knows 529 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:47,599 I've dealt with them before. 530 00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just amazing the way that pop interacts with you. 531 00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:54,800 It really makes you wonder what's behind that. But then again, 532 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,480 I've said it plenty of times before I'll see it again. 533 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,039 You just can't think for these things canned. How would 534 00:35:02,039 --> 00:35:04,480 you describe the feet of all these dog mean you've 535 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,559 bumped into over the years. Did all of them have 536 00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:09,679 canine style feet or did some of them have feet 537 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,320 that didn't fit that description? 538 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 2: Most of them had canine backbeat, with hands like a human's, 539 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:24,320 but the fingers are extremely long, and I've had a 540 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,880 few that had where the dew claw is on a 541 00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:30,719 on a cane iron, or a dog had actually human 542 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,559 thumb with a human fingernail. 543 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,679 Speaker 1: That'd be awfully freaky to see if that thumb looked 544 00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:40,360 almost human like in appearance. Do you think there's some 545 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,519 kind of a camera or do you think something else 546 00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:44,199 is behind that. 547 00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 2: I think it's got a human DNA aspect. I really 548 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:54,199 believe that the fingernails on some of them that I've 549 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,800 seen were no different than my fingernails. Only difference is 550 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:03,840 those retracted were ours. Doesn't the dog man pup when 551 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,199 I put him back up on the vine. He had 552 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,760 fingernails like a human dust, but they retracted out to 553 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:16,159 grip the vine. So yeah, but you get into several 554 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:22,960 different types. That was probably the one of I dealt 555 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,000 with last night and this morning was probably one of 556 00:36:26,039 --> 00:36:29,400 the first that I seen with a German SHIPPERD type head. 557 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,920 Most of them are short snout and wide mouth, and 558 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:37,119 their fangs hang out top, thangs hanging out over the bottom, 559 00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:40,960 lip hanging down this and his fans didn't hang out, 560 00:36:41,039 --> 00:36:44,320 but his teeth. He wasn't smiling at us, but you 561 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:50,559 could see all of his teeth, no problem, extremely white. 562 00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:55,480 His mouth didn't seem to close all the way because 563 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:56,079 of the teeth. 564 00:36:57,079 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: Whenever you've been close enough to look into their mouths, 565 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:05,239 have you noticed anything really strange about their mouths? Not 566 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,960 talking about the teeth, but something else about their mouths 567 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:13,679 that really seemed odd. I should just put it like that. 568 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,039 Speaker 2: Most of them I dealt with have black spots in 569 00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:22,079 their mouth with pink with black spots like a chow. 570 00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:28,239 Some of them will have a black tongue. Some of 571 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,239 them will have when they close their mouth. Their exception, 572 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,760 the long lower canines fit up in the gum that 573 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,519 doesn't produce outside like they're toppings too. 574 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, when you get that close to notice details like that, 575 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:44,960 that's when you know it's really getting real. 576 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,679 Speaker 2: Yes, I've been the closest I guess I've ever been 577 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,719 to one is two inches. So I don't think they're 578 00:37:54,599 --> 00:37:58,119 personally out to hurt us jellous or shuld be back 579 00:37:58,159 --> 00:38:00,320 them into a corner or something. I guess they could. 580 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,599 I'm not going to push my look to find out. 581 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 1: Smart. I don't know that, Bruce. On a couple of 582 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,159 occasions that you've told us about, it should have sounded 583 00:38:14,199 --> 00:38:16,480 to me like you did push your luck. But you 584 00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:18,679 must know what you're doing because you're still here, and 585 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:19,800 thank goodness to that. 586 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,280 Speaker 2: The main thing is to stay calm, keep bad thoughts 587 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,400 out of your head, show no fear. Like I said, 588 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,599 I'm no expert in it, so I can't tell you 589 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:36,719 if they read your minds, if they mind speak you, 590 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,480 I call it to allow the food. You can hear 591 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:45,559 what they have to say for a long way, several 592 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:50,840 hundred yards away, and you know they're not talking, but 593 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,760 they put that impression in your mind. And so, yes, 594 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:01,119 there is some of them with a supernatural aspect. I'm 595 00:39:01,159 --> 00:39:05,400 not one hundred percent there on supernatural with the ones 596 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,599 I deal with, but they do have some extraordinary capabilities. 597 00:39:10,639 --> 00:39:13,239 Speaker 1: Well, I can understand why you would see that. Yeah, 598 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,800 they definitely seem to. Now you said that most of 599 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,199 the dog men eve encountered over the years did have 600 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,119 can i and style feet, But for the ones that didn't, 601 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:23,840 how would you describe your feet? 602 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,800 Speaker 2: Well, the biggest part of my deal when I have 603 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,800 the back canine pad feet that can be about this, 604 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,719 almost the size on the seven to seven and a 605 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,840 half pud er, almost the size of a standard dinner plate. 606 00:39:41,039 --> 00:39:46,000 The back paws, the front are more going to be 607 00:39:46,119 --> 00:39:54,519 more like hands wrist, the forearms, the muscles up higher, 608 00:39:54,679 --> 00:39:57,320 and the shoulders are going to be similar to a 609 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:02,599 man's when they break and run on all fours, a 610 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,360 doult run like a dog or a coyode er. They 611 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,960 run like a horse galloping, so they're very balanced and 612 00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:13,679 they can have a full run. They can come up 613 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,280 on two legs and keep running. 614 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,559 Speaker 1: There are so many amazing things about these guys, there 615 00:40:19,639 --> 00:40:23,840 really are. You said something earlier that I wanted to 616 00:40:24,119 --> 00:40:26,920 get clear of you on you talked about their fingernails. 617 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,960 The ones that you've seen, at least some of the 618 00:40:29,039 --> 00:40:33,480 ones that you've seen had fingernails, not claws. Were their 619 00:40:33,559 --> 00:40:38,199 fingernails black or a typical color of human nails? And 620 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,960 also were they sharp or kind of blunt. 621 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:48,039 Speaker 2: So they were a darker color, almost a black. They're flat, 622 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,519 like somebody who's worked with their hands a lot in 623 00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:57,280 the woods and stuff, heavily calloused, and then their fingernails 624 00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:03,119 are flat looking. Wars are more rounded. But when they 625 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,480 reach and grab something, to hold onto something or to 626 00:41:06,559 --> 00:41:11,119 climb something, that flat finger now comes out and attracts down. 627 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,840 It's an odditude that tends to make me believe that 628 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,440 they are part human. And then when you get into 629 00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:22,920 the dew claw being a FuMB on, most of them 630 00:41:24,119 --> 00:41:28,480 fell back you up and make you think. But I 631 00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:34,519 don't know if anybody personally that's been attacked and hurt 632 00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:39,119 by a dog man. I just I mean, I guess 633 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,360 if you look looked it up on Facebook or these 634 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,559 podcasts or whatever Google that you might find some. But 635 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,239 I've never heard of them run nobody being hurt by one. 636 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,079 I've heard of people walking into their barns and being 637 00:41:55,199 --> 00:42:01,280 run over by run knocked down, but not not personally attacked. 638 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,239 Speaker 1: They do give us a lot of bricks. They don't 639 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,400 have to give us. That's a given. Did the hairless 640 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,119 dog man you bumped into and pick A County, Tennessee 641 00:42:11,679 --> 00:42:14,440 look like it was hairless due to sickness or for 642 00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:15,320 some other reason. 643 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 2: No, he was perfectly fine. He was just albino, didn't 644 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:29,519 have any hair on him. He had a pinkish skin 645 00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:35,039 with a pinkish around his eyeballs where the white should be, 646 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:43,719 with a like an amber pupil. His ears were naked also, 647 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,960 but they were two thirds the long of a cow's ears. 648 00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:53,679 They didn't stand straight up like a pull bread dog 649 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,519 or something would. They had more of a flop to him. 650 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:05,039 It had like a between a I want to say, 651 00:43:05,199 --> 00:43:09,760 between a krill. I am a man. So they had 652 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,440 extra thick hands instead of the raccoon type hands. They 653 00:43:13,519 --> 00:43:18,800 had the extra he had the extra thick hands, big bangers. 654 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,280 Speaker 1: How tall would you say he was. 655 00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:28,880 Speaker 2: This and run around I'm guessing you we basically bumped 656 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,920 into each other coming around the rock, and he was 657 00:43:32,559 --> 00:43:35,639 quite a bit taller than me. I'm six foots so 658 00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:39,199 I would easily say a good two fat on me 659 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,159 two and a half beat so eight and a half 660 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:44,239 peats somewhere in there. 661 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 1: That's pretty big. Not for a dog man, but that's 662 00:43:48,519 --> 00:43:52,360 still pretty big. Nonetheless, you said his skin was pink. 663 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,280 I wasn't there you were, so I'm wondering, is there 664 00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,920 any possibility that from what you saw, you think you 665 00:43:59,039 --> 00:44:00,199 might have had XCEM wow. 666 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,599 Speaker 2: No, No, he was. He was in good shape. He 667 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:10,559 was in good shape. You know. My first thought was mange. 668 00:44:12,639 --> 00:44:17,559 My second encounter with him. In third encounter were somewhat 669 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:23,960 extremely close, and then even at twenty yards, I looked 670 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:29,239 through him, at him through binoculars and drawing it in 671 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:35,320 and he was just a perfectly pink So I named 672 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:36,199 him Albino. 673 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,639 Speaker 1: I can't even imagine what a pink dog meal would 674 00:44:39,639 --> 00:44:42,199 look like. Had to be quite the site to see him. 675 00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:45,719 Speaker 2: He had about it I'm getting a four and a 676 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:50,159 half to fire fut tail and not a her on 677 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,000 his tail. He come down to a point. 678 00:44:54,679 --> 00:44:59,519 Speaker 1: It was just a freak of nature. That's the only 679 00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:02,840 thing I can I could say. Yeah, it sure sounds 680 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,079 like he must have been. You said he let out 681 00:45:06,119 --> 00:45:08,920 a warhoot? What you did too when you bumped into 682 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,320 each other. Did it seem like he did that due 683 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,400 to fear or for some other reason. 684 00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:18,599 Speaker 2: I think we surprised each other and we let out 685 00:45:18,679 --> 00:45:22,559 the war hoop at the same time. He let out 686 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,159 like a low to a high pitch. It went low 687 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,719 than high pitched. I just made a whoa. Well I 688 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:30,280 took off. 689 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,960 Speaker 1: Well, I'll bet you did. And I don't blame you 690 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,440 at all. Now, when you went back three days later 691 00:45:38,519 --> 00:45:41,840 and wound up being followed by that same one, why 692 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,360 do you think he followed you that day? 693 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:49,760 Speaker 2: He remembered me from that rock, the rock incident. His curiosity, 694 00:45:51,079 --> 00:45:54,719 the curiosity about him. I found out that a lot 695 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:59,079 of dog men are very curious about us, So you know, 696 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,239 if you see one, there's going to be more around there. 697 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,559 Just he had watching us, uh, similar to the sasquatch. 698 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,039 To me, he was just curious about me because I 699 00:46:12,199 --> 00:46:15,119 talked out loud. Of course, you know, when we first 700 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,840 run into each other, he went one way fastly and 701 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,679 I went to other way fastly. With them when I 702 00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,119 engaged him just a few days later to three days later, 703 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,079 it was more of a fascination of what I was, 704 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,480 and then I have the fascination of what he was. 705 00:46:34,599 --> 00:46:37,920 Speaker 1: Well, they don't have TVs, so it would make sense 706 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,280 when you come bumping back into him that, Yeah, you 707 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,239 would be a sense of entertainment. So that does make sense. 708 00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:47,480 Right when you went back after that about a week later, 709 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,159 were you afraid that you might be wearing out your 710 00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,960 welcome or because of those prior experiences. Was that not 711 00:46:54,039 --> 00:46:54,559 a concern? 712 00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,639 Speaker 2: Well, what I wanted him to do is to get 713 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,400 used to me, and I can get more scientific detail 714 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,920 about what I'm dealing with. After several interactions with them, 715 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,000 and they're not running from me and I'm not running 716 00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:12,400 from them, I can gain more Like I had with 717 00:47:12,559 --> 00:47:16,639 my Sashquatch family, the clan family on the Cumland River, 718 00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:21,239 I was able to gain the trust of the head 719 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:25,360 of the clan, which was a female, and then I 720 00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:28,800 was able to learn quite a bit about them just 721 00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:33,679 through her and that's the same way with the dog men. 722 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,320 Sometimes it can take two to three weeks or a 723 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,079 month to get them used to you. But then at 724 00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:43,000 the same time, you got to get used to them, 725 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:49,679 and then you build an individual characterism. I'm different, they're different. 726 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:55,039 They're looking at my personality, my way of walking, my 727 00:47:55,199 --> 00:47:58,880 way of talking, and they're doing the same thing. So 728 00:47:59,039 --> 00:48:01,119 we pick up on each other to the point to 729 00:48:01,159 --> 00:48:04,519 where you know, we can basically say hey, we're friends, 730 00:48:04,639 --> 00:48:09,519 you know, without saying it. I mean no harm and 731 00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:10,679 they mean no harm to me. 732 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,079 Speaker 1: You live an exciting life, Bruce, got to give it 733 00:48:14,159 --> 00:48:18,280 to you, Holy count When you watch that group of 734 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,320 them fight that day by the Putnam Smith County line, 735 00:48:22,039 --> 00:48:23,440 how close were you to the action? 736 00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:28,480 Speaker 2: Oh, when it first started. I had went back a 737 00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:36,599 few days later, and I were my size eleven im boot. 738 00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:41,119 Now I put my boot toe to heel to the 739 00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,480 spot where I first seen and fighting and come up 740 00:48:45,519 --> 00:48:51,360 with twenty one feet And so it was deathening the screaming, 741 00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,000 the fighting, the noise they were making. I mean, I 742 00:48:55,119 --> 00:48:58,599 was just right there. And then I used that opportunity 743 00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:03,079 why they weren't watching me, to get the distance between us, 744 00:49:05,519 --> 00:49:07,880 because when they're fighting. I don't know what they're capable of. 745 00:49:09,039 --> 00:49:11,559 Speaker 1: Twenty one feet that's the length of a crew caped truck. 746 00:49:12,039 --> 00:49:17,199 That's close right right. And it was the females that 747 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,920 come in and cut the males off. They were the 748 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,960 closest to me. And when they cut the males off 749 00:49:24,039 --> 00:49:28,880 and went to fighting, that's I mean, if we there 750 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:33,199 was even a closer encounter than that, Because one of 751 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,519 the females through one of the males just about on 752 00:49:36,679 --> 00:49:39,559 top of me, And that's what caused me to go 753 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,639 up the creek, up the long hollow where I could 754 00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:45,280 see down the creek and get some distance to where 755 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,480 I could stay one hundred and fifty to two hundred 756 00:49:47,559 --> 00:49:51,960 yards behind a boulder and watch them. And I always 757 00:49:52,039 --> 00:49:55,840 carry a small set of monoculars, so I watched them 758 00:49:55,880 --> 00:50:00,599 through the binoculars, and the females eventually won the fight. 759 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:07,000 Speaker 2: Everything calmed down, they went their directions. One of the 760 00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:09,800 males started up the holler I was in, so I 761 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:15,440 just eased back out and come out on a dirt road, 762 00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:18,960 and then I walked the dirt road three miles back 763 00:50:19,039 --> 00:50:20,880 around the long way to my vehicle. 764 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,039 Speaker 1: Were you stumbling and bumbling because you were so out 765 00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:28,679 of sorts after what you had seen, or were you 766 00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:29,760 able to keep it together. 767 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,400 Speaker 2: You're out of breath. You're out of breath when you 768 00:50:33,519 --> 00:50:38,119 see these things. That's exhilarating. You're not scared, but you're 769 00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,840 just exhilarating to the point to where you felt like 770 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,199 you've worked out, you'd put in an eight hour day 771 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:49,599 in thirty minutes. You know, it's just so exhilarating. It's 772 00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,559 like you're having an adrenaline dump. When everything calms down, 773 00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:54,880 you're just exhausted. 774 00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,760 Speaker 1: Well, all bet after seeing something like that and being 775 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:03,239 so close to it, that's really intense. Did you get 776 00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,159 the impression that if the females wouldn't have done what 777 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,800 they did, that those meals would have actually taken you out? 778 00:51:11,159 --> 00:51:14,960 Speaker 2: No, I didn't get that impression. I got the impression 779 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:20,559 that I crossed into their territory and in that group 780 00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,599 that I just felt like they were probably just going 781 00:51:24,679 --> 00:51:27,199 to try to push me out. It's what I was 782 00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,360 hoping anyway. But I did have a weapon on me, 783 00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:36,239 so you know, my weapon take some of your feer too. 784 00:51:38,119 --> 00:51:38,960 Knowing you've got it. 785 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,039 Speaker 1: Well, the big question is if it's going to be 786 00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:42,760 effective or not. 787 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's true. In the right placement shots, it 788 00:51:48,599 --> 00:51:49,079 will work. 789 00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:55,960 Speaker 1: Hopefully. You've had some extreme dogged and related experiences. Bruce, 790 00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,239 that's a huge understatement. But is there anything that's still 791 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,280 left on your dog mean related bucket list that you 792 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:03,519 still hope to accomplish. 793 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:09,079 Speaker 2: I hope to accomplish it one day, actually sitting on 794 00:52:09,199 --> 00:52:12,480 the same rock with a woman and trying to learn 795 00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:19,639 their language or them try to learn mine, because so 796 00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,679 far it's not been other than jumping on my vehico, 797 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:28,119 busting my windshield, ripping my mirrors outside mirror, there's really 798 00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:35,079 nothing been that aggressive that would scare me. Yeah, when 799 00:52:35,079 --> 00:52:37,360 they you know, when those got the fight and I 800 00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,559 wanted to put a little distance in because they're mad. 801 00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,159 I had never dealt with one that was actually mad mad, 802 00:52:44,159 --> 00:52:48,440 so I said, well, I'll get away whether going at 803 00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,079 it and they're reserving from a long distance and see 804 00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:56,000 what happens. But they rested relatively calmed down after the 805 00:52:56,039 --> 00:52:58,719 women put a whooping on them. They calmed down. 806 00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:03,239 Speaker 1: Goodness for that. And you'd be the perfect person to 807 00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,559 ask this, since you were right there and got to 808 00:53:05,639 --> 00:53:09,119 watch the fighting, how would you describe their fighting style? 809 00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:16,079 Speaker 2: Biting, there was a lot of biting going on. It 810 00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:21,039 was a lot of posturing to where one was over 811 00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:25,559 forcing the other one. I've seen one get bit in 812 00:53:25,679 --> 00:53:29,360 the back of the neck and shook. He was the 813 00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,679 one that got thrown down just about on top of me. 814 00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,119 But they didn't really go after it like to the death. 815 00:53:38,519 --> 00:53:41,679 You know, one got hurt batting up, it'd scream and 816 00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,920 run back, and it was pretty much over with. But 817 00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:47,800 when that female grabbed that one by the back of 818 00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,239 the neck and it was a lot bigger than she was, 819 00:53:51,159 --> 00:53:53,800 and she shook her head like a dog would shake 820 00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:58,400 a rag, and when she released it through it it 821 00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:02,519 just about landed on me. And he was in a 822 00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:05,679 lot of pain. So I wasn't his worry. His worry 823 00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,960 is that the female didn't come back down on top 824 00:54:08,039 --> 00:54:08,199 of it. 825 00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,559 Speaker 1: Thank goodness, you weren't his worry. I know, knowing as 826 00:54:12,639 --> 00:54:15,159 much about dogs as you do, you know that dogs 827 00:54:15,199 --> 00:54:18,360 can displace aggression. You can be holding a dog that 828 00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,920 loves you on a leash, and if there's another dog 829 00:54:21,159 --> 00:54:22,880 on the other side of a fence from it and 830 00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,440 your dog gets upset, sometimes your dog that loves you 831 00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:28,960 will turn and bite you on the leg. Due to 832 00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:32,440 displeaced anger. But with that meal that got thrown right 833 00:54:32,519 --> 00:54:35,440 on top of you, practically, Thank goodness he didn't have 834 00:54:35,559 --> 00:54:37,920 displacement of anger, because if he did. 835 00:54:38,599 --> 00:54:44,199 Speaker 2: Sure right right, that happens, You've got to you've got 836 00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,239 to keep talking. You've got to let him know you're there. 837 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,159 You know, even if you've got if you're if you've 838 00:54:50,199 --> 00:54:52,880 got a dog on elation, a neighbors dogs on elation, 839 00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,639 and your dog and that dog's going at it, you've 840 00:54:56,679 --> 00:54:58,960 got to let your dog know that you're going to 841 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,119 reach down and touch it or really bite you out 842 00:55:01,159 --> 00:55:05,960 of instinct thinking another dog touched him, you know, in 843 00:55:06,039 --> 00:55:09,280 the same way with these dog men, I just kept 844 00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,280 talking out loud, but I put some distance when that 845 00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,719 one just about landed on me. I put some distance, 846 00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,800 not in a hurry, not running, because I don't want 847 00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,400 to bring out the animal instinct in them to chase me. 848 00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,920 Speaker 1: As Bray, Bruce, I can't even imagine half of the 849 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:29,719 experiences you've had. Just amazing, it really is. Well, we're 850 00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,039 about out of time. Would you like to give us 851 00:55:32,039 --> 00:55:36,440 any clusing comments before we get out of here? Yeah? 852 00:55:38,679 --> 00:55:42,800 Speaker 2: If you ain't watching, you ain't watching. You come across 853 00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:47,320 these dog men. Do not let them bluff you. They 854 00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:51,800 smell fear. Any of these cryptids smell fear. They'll harass 855 00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:58,320 you and could hurt you. Just hold your ground, talk 856 00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,360 out loud, make them curious about at you to why 857 00:56:01,519 --> 00:56:05,000 you're not running like the rabbit or the coyos or 858 00:56:05,039 --> 00:56:10,039 anything else they come across. Just hold your ground, and 859 00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:13,920 if they get too close to you, pull a weapon 860 00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,599 out and part in the air. But don't really like 861 00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:21,159 the sound of guns. Dog men doesn't. I guess it 862 00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:26,119 hurts their ears because most people on the Fourth of 863 00:56:26,199 --> 00:56:28,719 July they put their dogs up because the power works 864 00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,880 for their ears. I hope you're close enough to one 865 00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,159 and you think he's going to get aggressively, just far 866 00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,519 your gun up in the air or into the ground. 867 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,840 I prefer you shoot into the ground and just shoot 868 00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,519 it into the ground, and it hurts his ears. He 869 00:56:46,599 --> 00:56:50,440 can't he can't handle it. Feel back off, Bruce. 870 00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,880 Speaker 1: I've got a sneaking suspicion that you're not done having 871 00:56:53,079 --> 00:56:57,000 experiences with these guys. I wouldn't be surprised if the 872 00:56:57,079 --> 00:56:59,960 next one's just around the corner. But if you do, 873 00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:02,519 you have any other experiences, I really hope you're going 874 00:57:02,599 --> 00:57:04,800 to be interested in coming back to up datas on them. 875 00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:05,519 I really do. 876 00:57:06,599 --> 00:57:09,239 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm working with some right now on a 877 00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:15,000 private ranch right now that I'm gradually getting closer and 878 00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:17,599 closer to them. We started out at probably a quarter 879 00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:21,159 of a mile. Now I'm down to just a fifty 880 00:57:21,239 --> 00:57:25,559 or seventy five yards from them, and I'm wanting to, 881 00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:30,079 if not make friends with them, make acquaintances with them 882 00:57:30,639 --> 00:57:32,920 before they know I'm not going to hurt them. But 883 00:57:33,039 --> 00:57:35,320 first I got to know what their attentions are too. 884 00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always best to be cautious. It always is. Well. 885 00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,159 Having said that, thanks again so much for coming back 886 00:57:43,199 --> 00:57:46,159 to up datas. I really do appreciate it. Then, yeah, 887 00:57:46,199 --> 00:57:48,360 please remember if I can ever help you, let me 888 00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:49,840 know and I'll be there for you. 889 00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,719 Speaker 2: Hey, I thank you, I thank you. We might get 890 00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,840 together and I've run across one this friendly and hope 891 00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,920 we may put a saddle. Don't even try to ride. 892 00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:04,519 Speaker 1: You wouldn't surprise me given your experiences. I wouldn't surprise 893 00:58:04,639 --> 00:58:06,719 me at all. You'll be drinking beer with one for 894 00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:07,199 you know it. 895 00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:12,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would kick back and made a 896 00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,400 cheeseburger and drank a cop from one of them, and 897 00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,840 then I'll come out and say, hey, I'll did it. 898 00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,599 Speaker 1: You know, if anyone's gonna be able to do that, 899 00:58:22,039 --> 00:58:23,719 I'm talking to the guy who's going to be the 900 00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,039 one that's a given. 901 00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:27,079 Speaker 2: I appreciate that. 902 00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,280 Speaker 1: Oh no, you're welcome. Well, yeah, thanks against so much 903 00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,239 of your time, and have a great night.