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Speaker 2: Book.
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Dogmanencounters dot com forward slash podcast. Tonight's guest Bruce Brown
has had multiple dog Man Encounters over the years, and
on episodes six twenty three and six twenty four, he
chronicled the encounters he had had up to that point,
but since episode six twenty four eared, he's had new experiences.
By far, the most intense one was when he had
a front row seat to a Dogman fight. Well, without
any further ado, let's bring them in here now so
we can find out what happened. Bruce, thanks so much
for coming back.
Speaker 2: He glad to be back, enjoyed being here.
Speaker 1: Well, it's always great having you, it really is, Bruce.
Like I mentioned before, you're featured on episode six twenty
three and six twenty four. But for the listeners who
missed those two episodes, please give us a brief bio
on yourself.
Speaker 2: Well, some former law enforcement officer started out as well.
Patrolman went to deputy, share, went to sergeant, sergeant of patrol, detective,
and then shaping narcotics. That's pretty much mate.
Speaker 1: Well, you've got a lot of credentials there in law enforcement.
Have you put any thought into how complicated your life
would be if you were still working in law enforcement
and had all these experiences that we're going to talk
about tonight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be very calm ocase I wouldn't be able
to talk about it now.
Speaker 1: I'd say, you wouldn't be able to tell. And I
might have touched on this in episode six twenty three
or six twenty four, but I can't for the life
of me remember if I ever asked you about this
When you were working in law enforcement, did you have
any standing orders and how to handle a situation where
you came upon an eyewitness who had seen something like
a dog man.
Speaker 2: Yes, we do have standing orders, not only from witnesses,
but what we take to what we see, whether these
scripteds or hip WI vehicles in the roadways and stuff.
We have a policy and procedure, and then we have
a number we have to call, and then that's turned
over to whatever government agency it falls under. With that
particular incident. We still have to do our incident and accidents.
That's turned in eventually. Then that's turned over to federal agencies,
meaning they take it a lot of times without us
knowing it. We're not giving any heads up on it.
So when they arrive on the scene, they take over
the scene. We assist a lot of times. I'll do
measurements and stuff encrypted itself. How the accident happened. It
gets into a very very long detail. It's just like
a human a pedestrian being hitting the rope. It takes
several hours to work it, and generally when the federal
government shows up, they take it over and then we
just assist. And if it's not in a real heavily
populated area, they'll go ahead and break the forensics out
there and work it in the suburban area you're out
in the countryside. But if it's in the city or town,
they will quickly loaded the crypt of the dog man
er the big put up and leave the scene, and
then we'll wait on the record and stuff for the car,
and sometimes they will take the vehicle theirselves too.
Speaker 1: You had first hand experience about how that process works,
but not because someone came upon a dog man. It
was because of a sasquatch. With that in mind, when
the Feds were on the scene. Do they treat you
with professional regard or just brush you off and show
you no respect.
Speaker 2: No, it's all highly professional. We're treated with respect. You've
got to keep in mind that every certified law enforcement
officer has to sign a policy and procedure book. In
that book contains what you can say and what you
can't say, and it's full of so many rules it's unreal.
But without going into detail and giving too much out
on it, it basically says, keep your mouth shut, do
your job, turn the reports in, and whatever happens happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one of those or else type situations.
Speaker 2: Right, not good at all.
Speaker 1: That's definitely one of those situations where if you can
avoid being in that situation by all means, definitely do it.
But you didn't have a choice. It was basically forced
upon you, and that's unfortunate. Well, Bruce, I'm sure there
are quite a few people who are listening to tonight's
show who missed episode six twenty three and six twenty four.
So can you kind of breeze over the encounters that
you talked about on those first two shows for us?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, be glad to uh. One of the encounters
I had gen sing honey, and that particular dog man
followed me home. I had do some damage to my
car before I left there, but it followed me home.
Another one that I dealt with a dog man I
called Laser Eyes. It followed me out of the woods
after I found its puppy coming down a grapevine. That's
pretty much it on that it did jump on my car.
The Laser Eyes did. Also the car received a cracked
windshield and a broken mirror out of the deal. The
first one followed me home about eighteen miles, and I
didn't know it until after dark that it was there,
so I ended up having to deal with it head on,
and I finally was able to push it out of
the area away from my home.
Speaker 1: I don't think I ever did ask you, did you
go straight home that night, the night that Laser Eyes
followed you home? Or did you take a circuitt his path?
Speaker 2: No? I took I went straight home, and I learned
from that it was eighteen miles from where I've seen
him at had my encounter with him. Till I got home,
it was exactly eighteen miles. It was like three thirty
in the evening. I had got behind school buses and traffic,
and I've never really figured out how I was able
to follow me home with nobody seeing it, including me.
Speaker 1: If I remember, I didn't you see that for the
most part, there were woods all the way home. It
could have used to follow you without necessarily having to
leave and go through a shopping center, for example. Or
were there open parts that would have had to cross.
Speaker 2: Yes, there were several open fields that it would have
had to cross. And I was on the State Highway
and quite a bit of traffic at that time of evening.
And again it was a lot of woods too, you know,
there were open patches of builds, builds and tobacco patches,
corn patches and stuff along with woods all the way
to my house, and then at my house there was
a mixedwalth of woods. There was about five miles long.
Speaker 1: Life is difficult enough and you don't have to worry
about having a dog men right out your door. But
I can't even imagine what that must have been like.
Had to be awfully difficult. You know.
Speaker 2: It unnerves you to start with, but you get used
to them after a while, but not really that aggressive.
They didn't they didn't attack me. They did my car,
but they didn't attack me, so I dealt with them
best I could.
Speaker 1: Well it worked out just fine from the way you said,
you eventually were able to drive it off, so thank
goodness to that. If you've had a dog mean encounter
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go to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com. Well all right, then, Bruce,
please bring us up to speed now on these recent
encounters you had. Now, please give us everal last detail
that comes to mind.
Speaker 2: I was over in ticket Entrance County Line here in Tennessee,
and I had went off the bottom of a mountain
all the way down into a holler, and I had
found some dog man tracks and I was following them
up a spring branch. And in the middle of the
spring branch was a huge rock, probably twelve foot tall,
about twenty five foot long. When I got up to
the side of it, looking down looking at following these tracks.
As I was coming around that rock, I come face
to face within several inches of a hireless dog man.
He didn't have any hair on it. So I let
out of war. Whoop. He let out of warhoop. He
went one way. I went to others, and I went
back down the creek or spring brancher. And after I
got i'd say a couple of hollers deep, sat down
there resting, watching, and here he come. He followed me
down the creek, and then I eased back up the
mountain side, and he followed me about half way up
the mountain. And then I made it to my vehicle
and left, but he never come out. So he didn't
come no rather than half way up the mountain. And
I went back three days later to the same place
and found more tracks, and this time I was able
to track it to a cave. So when I got
to the cave, I was trying to be as white
as I could. And then I backed off and went
around the side of the hill about twenty five yards
and sat down watching the cave. And it come out
of the cave and didn't see me at first, and
it's about I would say, it's seven foot tall, no
hair on him. It looked like an albino dog man
and it was a male. It was obvious it was
a male. I let out a hoot al call. He
turned and looked right at me, and then he just
stared at me for what seemed like minutes but it
was probably just a few seconds. And then when I
got up to move, he also moved, but he shadowed me.
And then I went into another holler of the next
haller over and over a ridge, and then I set
up on a bluff where I could see the top
of the ridge real good, and he come across the ridge,
more or less tracking me. And then when he got
within itches is seventy five yards, I made another hoot
alcohol and he stopped, and then he sat there and
watched me. And then after just a few minutes of
us playing a cat and mouse game, he turned around
and left, and I'm assuming he went back to the cave.
So I waited another week and went back. And this
time I crawled into the cave and when I did,
our noses just about touch. We were just inches apart.
So I backed out as quick as a person could
get out. I was on my hands and knees. I
got out then, and he let out a big scream,
but he never come out of the cave. Evening late,
he come out of the cave and I was over
on the next hillside watching for him. And he come
out and went down the creek. And what I mean
by creek, it's a big spring branch, a lot of
water coming out of the spring. It's pretty wide, it's
probably twelve fourteen foot wide. There's probably spots in it
knee deep, waist deep, and ankle deep. It's crystal clear water.
And he come out and went down the creek and
was flipping rocks over. I'm assuming he was trying to
catch a crap issure, just whatever he could find there.
And then he winded me. He raised up and smelled
the air and winded me and turned right around and
looked at me up on the hill, and he bobbed
his head back and forth, and he was on his legs.
He was swinging from one leg to the next with
his head bob and trying to look around the trees
at me. And then I got up right then and
let him see me. And then he's on out to
the top of the hill and walked my way back
out to the vehicle and left. And the next one
I got into was seven dog men at one time
in a holler at the Upman County Smith County line.
And those seven dogmen were about your average height for dogmen,
between seven well, i'll say six and a half to
seven and a half foot tall. Five of them ended
up fighting, but they followed me before they started fighting.
They followed me probably seven eight hundred yards up and
down a holler and across the ridge and back down
another holler that come back around to where they was
originally at. So when I got down there for where
they was originally at, they had followed me back around.
But they was three males and four females a total
of seven. Two of the males stayed back and four
females and the males got into a fight. Each female
was fighting a male, and then on one of the males,
two females was fighting that male, and they fought for
just a few minutes. There was still at it, and
I decided it was time for me to ease on
out of that haller and put some distance. But at
the same time, I went up a long hauler where
I could see them at a great distance. By staying
in the creek bed, there's big boulders and stuff in
that creek bed, and I was able to get back
several hundred yards I wont say two hundred yards and
were able to watch them, and then they got done fighting.
In What has happened there is the females had whooped,
the males had put pretty good whooping on them. And
then the only thing I could think about that is
is they were they interrupted the males from follering me
for some strange reason. I'm just trying to speculate exactly
what went down, but they stepped in and fought them
with the males. And I went from that to stand
in Stone State Park again and run across the dog
man puppy that I had dealt with previously. While he
was about fifteen pounds, now he weighed between I won't
say sixty to seventy five, maybe eighty pounds. And I
had gone down below close to the lake there at
standing Stone State Park, and there were some people on
a trail above me, out of sight, and when I
got when I got down I won't say a good
eighty eighty five yards below them, going around the edge
of that lake, I come across his dog man pup again.
Now he still had the clear eyes, but he had
a sort of a green tint to him, and at
that time I just assumed it was the sunlight hitting him,
but he remembered me. He stopped and looked at me
for a long time, and I started talking and just
talking out loud, and he kept listening to the people
on the hill. He wasn't that worried about out me,
but he walked towards me and stopped, and then turned
around and walked back to the end of the edge
of the laker and it would walked back, and he
made a gesture with his hand. I called it a
hand that looked like a raccoon hand, a giant and
he stepped in the edge of the water and then
looked back at me and walked back out of the water. Well,
I finally figured out he wanted me to follow him.
So I wasn't about to swim that lake without any
kind of sistance. That's cold water lake. It's colding up
to have trout in it. So I found a small
logger about as big as your leg. I put long maybe,
and I pitched it in the water, and then I
got down in the water with him, and I grabbed
a whole bit, and me and him swum across over
to where a building was that housed rental aluminum boats
and paddle boats. Where it was late in the evening,
almost dark, so they hadn't had any boat rents out.
They always bring him in an hour or so before dark,
so there was nobody there. So we got out there,
walked across the dock and was headed over the dam
part just at one lane road goes over a dam.
And when we was headed over that, we could hear
some people talking down below that. So he motioned for
me to follow him in a different direction and we
went straight up a mountainside. Of course, I had to
stop several times to rest, and he just stayed right
above me, just a few feet above me, and I'd
sit down and rest and he was just standing there
looking around, watching and then I'd get up to take
off walking. We'd do that. We do that probably seven
or eight times before we got up to the top
of the mountain. On the hill there there was an
open piel well. I could hear the highway, a state
route called Baptist Ridge Road, and he walked through that building.
I followed him, and just before we got inside the road,
he stopped and motioned with his hand, motioned outward with
his hand instead of pointing. And then when I was
looking around to see what he was motioning at, when
I turned back, he was walking off. Well. I started
to follow him, and he stopped again and motioned with
his hand by laying it flat and slinging it out.
And so I stood there and I heard of vehicle,
a loud truck coming, and he turned around and walked
back off in dge of the woods. So I walked
back up to the road, and when I got there
to the road, an elderly man pulled over and he said,
you need a out? I said, yes, sir, I sure do.
I said, I'm parked over in the park, in the
parking there. So he took me and dropped me off there,
and he was asking me what I was doing soaking wet.
I said, well, I fell in the lake there. I
didn't tell him exactly what was going on. And then
from that I went to Last night, I got a
call around twelve thirty, twelve forty five from a friend
whose friend was concerned about a large woof walking around
his house and barn, and he had just had some
pigs that were born. They were a few weeks old.
They're probably weighed ten or fifteen pound a piece. And
he wanted me to go talk to man. So he
gave me his phone number and I called him, talked
to him and he told me that today before he
was out putting pound pence to keep his pigs in
the lot where they could go in and out of
the barn, and then on the inside of the hog
lot where he was installing the pound pens, this giant
wolf walks up out of the gully in the honeysuckle
patch and walks within twenty five feet of him. Now
he's got a thirty eight Special revolver hostered on his side,
and it shocks him. He said, you've never seen nothing
like it. So he pulls up and he shoots it. Well,
it lets out of scream and takes off and runs
back down in the gully. So he's telling me all this,
and then as he's telling me this, he's saying, now,
when it got dark, it could come back to the house,
and it's going around my house, around and around the house.
Has been up to my pig barn a couple of times,
but it keeps coming back to the house. I think
I'm or I've shot it. It may may be after me,
coming after me, And so I went. It was about
twenty minutes from where I live, and that's up above
between Monterey and Crossfell, Tennessee. So I jumped in the
car and I told him I'm headed that way. I
stayed on the pond with him, and we could hear
some pretty good house and screams. And I told him,
I said, when I pulled in your driveway. Now he's
a farmer, there's no houses close to him. I pulled
in his driveway, I cut my headlights off and east
up there, and I told him, I'm going to sit
in my car. I've got my gun with me, and
I'm gonna watch and see if he comes back around
the house, because I'm not seeing him when I pulled in,
I didn't see him. Well about twenty twenty five thirty
minutes went by and I seen him. He started coming
around to the side of the house. I could looking
at the house. I could see the front of the house,
the porch. I could see the right hand side of
the house, but I could not see the whole left
hand side of the house. And I could only see
the barn and the barn door from the angle where
I was at. Well, he he's telling me on the phone.
He said, he's at my back porch now. So I'm waiting,
and sure enough he comes around the upper side of
the house and it's a dog man. He's got more
of a German shepherd type head, which is a very
strange for up in here, this part of the country.
And so he comes around the house. He gets on
the porch and he starts looking in this man's windows
and I'm telling the mount said cut your light off.
Cut your lights off in the house. So he cuts
the lights off in the house. And then I told
him to go into one of those rooms there and
just be still. And he said, well, I said, I've
got my pistol on me. I said, well, he knocks
the window out and tries to come in. That you
got to defend yourself now, I said, don't we praid
to use that gun? He said, oh, I'm not. I'm not.
He said, I'll use it in a minute. So this
dog man keeps circling the house and I told him,
I said, listen, I'm going to cut my headlights on
bright as soon as he comes back around the front
of the house on the porch and see what he
looks like, get a description, and see where you shot
him at. And so I cut my lights on. He
comes back around, gets on the porch. I cut my
headlights on bright, and I drive up in his yard
at the same time. Well, this big thing's on the porch,
but he has no spot on him where he was shot.
I'll keep in mind where the farmer shot him in
the evening before. He did see blood, so there was
nothing wrong with this dog man. So he comes off
the porch and runs back to the side of the house,
and this time he cuts and goes over to the barn.
And by then I have pulled up close enough to
the porch. I can't see the barn entrance, but I
heard the pigs squealing, so I jumped out. And I
know if I used a shotgun I could I could
pretty much carry him off, I hoped. So I told him.
I said, you could come out with me, or even
stay in the house. He said, I ain't coming out.
I said, okay, I said, pigs are squealing. He said, well,
it's in the barn. So I e's up to the barn.
Nothing pigs are squealing, but I can't find him. I
got a good flash light. He's nowhere in the barn.
And I go back out and I knock on the
apartment door and I hollered town him. I say, it's me,
don't shoot through the door. So he opens the door
and he comes back outside with me, and we're sitting
there talking to me, and he's telling him, you know,
just pointing right where he shot him at. And there.
We walked over there and there was just a little
blood on the ground and a little blood on some
honeysuckles where he tove into those honeysuckles in that gully.
We shined a light there and couldn't find anything. So
we went back to his house and went in the house.
And now by this time it's three, three fifteen in
the morning, and I tell him I'll stay here the
daylight with you and see if he comes back. Well,
he come back, and this time we caught him looking
in the window at us. Now here's here's the part
that I got a hit on myself on the guy's
got a bite and pit bull dog in the house.
This dog was cowered. He stayed under the kitchen table.
And then when we'd moved into the living room. He
would get behind the couch and he wasn't coming out.
He just went and whining. And if I asked him,
I says, he normally do that. He said, no, he
doesn't do that. He'll bark, sohout I have to make
him shut up. I went, well, I said, I observed
the dog man from the porch and he didn't have
any blood on him, but no holes anything. It looked
like he'd been shot. And this dog man was chet black,
covered up quite a bit with hair, not long hair,
more like a cat or bear hair. He had an
extremely long snout on him, like a German shepherd. He
had a bodybuild, upper bodybuild of a man, but the
back end and legs were narrowed down about like a wolf.
But he had big paws on the back legs. So
it was in the house, I see the dog man
comes back. By then, I had raised the kitchen blind
over the kitchen sink, and we were sitting there in
the dark talking and the dog started whimpering again. So
I had my flashlight. I just cut my flashlight on
the kitchen window, and there he stood, looking right at
both of us. So I reached and got my shotgun
and stepped out the back door. And when he broke
the run, he dropped down on all fours and I
shot him with a shotgun and he run into the barn.
This time I seen him go in the barn, so
I went into the barn started shooting him with a shotgun,
and he went out the back of the barn. And
then I stayed with the farmer until about six or
six thirty this morning, and we never heard nothing else
out of him. Well that's pretty much the end of
that encounter. And so we walked back after the barn
after good daylight and checked his livestock. None of his
pigs were hurt. His hog wouldn't hurt his solves. But
we did find a bag of what we call piggy punch.
When the pigs get up to about ten or fifteen pounds,
when you wing them off of a sow, you beat
them at piggy punch. We did find a bag of
piggy punch, a twenty five pounds bag. Over half of
it was eating eating, So we assumed that's what he
was after. So, like I said, that's about it. On
that again said, we did find the blood, but this
had to be a different dog man, and so I assumed,
don't oprah fact that this dog man had come back
looking for its mate that was shot, and that's the
reason why he was hanging around there. He probably smelt
where the other was there. But like I said, we
looked in that galy through those honey cycles. We found
blood on the honey cycles there, but no dog man.
We didn't find any dead dog man. So we know
this one was injured, but the one that come to
the house wasn't injured at all. So that's about that
to do with that one.
Speaker 1: Considering the fact that that man shot the female. From
now on, have you sworn off going back into that
area or do you think it's going to be a
key to head back into that area even though what
he did still hasn't been resolved.
Speaker 2: I don't think it will come back. I mean, I
shot it with a shotgun probably a total of four times.
Burn it. I mean, I didn't you know, I told
him the last thing you wanted to do was kill him,
because they're not really coming after you. But by shooting
it with that thirty eight running off into that gully
like it, I'm sure it might come looking for Like
I said, I really don't believe it will come back.
I think it will find its might. I think that
short period of time it just tracked it to there
and it wasn't there, and we're just took him, just
took some running off, burning him with a shotgun a
few times, and get him out of there.
Speaker 1: I know it's not lost on you that. With sasquatch,
for example, if you have one sighting, it's almost like
if you see one sasquatch, all the other sasquatch that
you're around in your future years somehow they know it,
and that makes you a lot more likely to have
future sightings as well.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: With regards to dog men, do you have any fear
that they have some kind of equality like that where
in the future, if you're in the presence of another
dog man, that's somehow, some way it might know that
you shot.
Speaker 2: One of them. Yes. Yes, And I believe it's not
that they mark you, because you know, like mark on
your body or nothing. I believe it's they know how
you present yourself, how your confidence is, when you show
no fear, and somehow they pick up that you've dealt
with them before. I don't know how that is. I mean,
I'm still trying to figure that out myself. But yeah,
I've run into dog men that I have shot with
shotguns and run into a totally different dog man seventy
five miles away, and for some reason, they thinks I'm
his buddy. You know, it's not scared of me, and
it's not trying to hurt me. It's like it knows
I've dealt with them before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just amazing the way that pop interacts with you.
It really makes you wonder what's behind that. But then again,
I've said it plenty of times before I'll see it again.
You just can't think for these things canned. How would
you describe the feet of all these dog mean you've
bumped into over the years. Did all of them have
canine style feet or did some of them have feet
that didn't fit that description?
Speaker 2: Most of them had canine backbeat, with hands like a human's,
but the fingers are extremely long, and I've had a
few that had where the dew claw is on a
on a cane iron, or a dog had actually human
thumb with a human fingernail.
Speaker 1: That'd be awfully freaky to see if that thumb looked
almost human like in appearance. Do you think there's some
kind of a camera or do you think something else
is behind that.
Speaker 2: I think it's got a human DNA aspect. I really
believe that the fingernails on some of them that I've
seen were no different than my fingernails. Only difference is
those retracted were ours. Doesn't the dog man pup when
I put him back up on the vine. He had
fingernails like a human dust, but they retracted out to
grip the vine. So yeah, but you get into several
different types. That was probably the one of I dealt
with last night and this morning was probably one of
the first that I seen with a German SHIPPERD type head.
Most of them are short snout and wide mouth, and
their fangs hang out top, thangs hanging out over the bottom,
lip hanging down this and his fans didn't hang out,
but his teeth. He wasn't smiling at us, but you
could see all of his teeth, no problem, extremely white.
His mouth didn't seem to close all the way because
of the teeth.
Speaker 1: Whenever you've been close enough to look into their mouths,
have you noticed anything really strange about their mouths? Not
talking about the teeth, but something else about their mouths
that really seemed odd. I should just put it like that.
Speaker 2: Most of them I dealt with have black spots in
their mouth with pink with black spots like a chow.
Some of them will have a black tongue. Some of
them will have when they close their mouth. Their exception,
the long lower canines fit up in the gum that
doesn't produce outside like they're toppings too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you get that close to notice details like that,
that's when you know it's really getting real.
Speaker 2: Yes, I've been the closest I guess I've ever been
to one is two inches. So I don't think they're
personally out to hurt us jellous or shuld be back
them into a corner or something. I guess they could.
I'm not going to push my look to find out.
Speaker 1: Smart. I don't know that, Bruce. On a couple of
occasions that you've told us about, it should have sounded
to me like you did push your luck. But you
must know what you're doing because you're still here, and
thank goodness to that.
Speaker 2: The main thing is to stay calm, keep bad thoughts
out of your head, show no fear. Like I said,
I'm no expert in it, so I can't tell you
if they read your minds, if they mind speak you,
I call it to allow the food. You can hear
what they have to say for a long way, several
hundred yards away, and you know they're not talking, but
they put that impression in your mind. And so, yes,
there is some of them with a supernatural aspect. I'm
not one hundred percent there on supernatural with the ones
I deal with, but they do have some extraordinary capabilities.
Speaker 1: Well, I can understand why you would see that. Yeah,
they definitely seem to. Now you said that most of
the dog men eve encountered over the years did have
can i and style feet, But for the ones that didn't,
how would you describe your feet?
Speaker 2: Well, the biggest part of my deal when I have
the back canine pad feet that can be about this,
almost the size on the seven to seven and a
half pud er, almost the size of a standard dinner plate.
The back paws, the front are more going to be
more like hands wrist, the forearms, the muscles up higher,
and the shoulders are going to be similar to a
man's when they break and run on all fours, a
doult run like a dog or a coyode er. They
run like a horse galloping, so they're very balanced and
they can have a full run. They can come up
on two legs and keep running.
Speaker 1: There are so many amazing things about these guys, there
really are. You said something earlier that I wanted to
get clear of you on you talked about their fingernails.
The ones that you've seen, at least some of the
ones that you've seen had fingernails, not claws. Were their
fingernails black or a typical color of human nails? And
also were they sharp or kind of blunt.
Speaker 2: So they were a darker color, almost a black. They're flat,
like somebody who's worked with their hands a lot in
the woods and stuff, heavily calloused, and then their fingernails
are flat looking. Wars are more rounded. But when they
reach and grab something, to hold onto something or to
climb something, that flat finger now comes out and attracts down.
It's an odditude that tends to make me believe that
they are part human. And then when you get into
the dew claw being a FuMB on, most of them
fell back you up and make you think. But I
don't know if anybody personally that's been attacked and hurt
by a dog man. I just I mean, I guess
if you look looked it up on Facebook or these
podcasts or whatever Google that you might find some. But
I've never heard of them run nobody being hurt by one.
I've heard of people walking into their barns and being
run over by run knocked down, but not not personally attacked.
Speaker 1: They do give us a lot of bricks. They don't
have to give us. That's a given. Did the hairless
dog man you bumped into and pick A County, Tennessee
look like it was hairless due to sickness or for
some other reason.
Speaker 2: No, he was perfectly fine. He was just albino, didn't
have any hair on him. He had a pinkish skin
with a pinkish around his eyeballs where the white should be,
with a like an amber pupil. His ears were naked also,
but they were two thirds the long of a cow's ears.
They didn't stand straight up like a pull bread dog
or something would. They had more of a flop to him.
It had like a between a I want to say,
between a krill. I am a man. So they had
extra thick hands instead of the raccoon type hands. They
had the extra he had the extra thick hands, big bangers.
Speaker 1: How tall would you say he was.
Speaker 2: This and run around I'm guessing you we basically bumped
into each other coming around the rock, and he was
quite a bit taller than me. I'm six foots so
I would easily say a good two fat on me
two and a half beat so eight and a half
peats somewhere in there.
Speaker 1: That's pretty big. Not for a dog man, but that's
still pretty big. Nonetheless, you said his skin was pink.
I wasn't there you were, so I'm wondering, is there
any possibility that from what you saw, you think you
might have had XCEM wow.
Speaker 2: No, No, he was. He was in good shape. He
was in good shape. You know. My first thought was mange.
My second encounter with him. In third encounter were somewhat
extremely close, and then even at twenty yards, I looked
through him, at him through binoculars and drawing it in
and he was just a perfectly pink So I named
him Albino.
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine what a pink dog meal would
look like. Had to be quite the site to see him.
Speaker 2: He had about it I'm getting a four and a
half to fire fut tail and not a her on
his tail. He come down to a point.
Speaker 1: It was just a freak of nature. That's the only
thing I can I could say. Yeah, it sure sounds
like he must have been. You said he let out
a warhoot? What you did too when you bumped into
each other. Did it seem like he did that due
to fear or for some other reason.
Speaker 2: I think we surprised each other and we let out
the war hoop at the same time. He let out
like a low to a high pitch. It went low
than high pitched. I just made a whoa. Well I
took off.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll bet you did. And I don't blame you
at all. Now, when you went back three days later
and wound up being followed by that same one, why
do you think he followed you that day?
Speaker 2: He remembered me from that rock, the rock incident. His curiosity,
the curiosity about him. I found out that a lot
of dog men are very curious about us, So you know,
if you see one, there's going to be more around there.
Just he had watching us, uh, similar to the sasquatch.
To me, he was just curious about me because I
talked out loud. Of course, you know, when we first
run into each other, he went one way fastly and
I went to other way fastly. With them when I
engaged him just a few days later to three days later,
it was more of a fascination of what I was,
and then I have the fascination of what he was.
Speaker 1: Well, they don't have TVs, so it would make sense
when you come bumping back into him that, Yeah, you
would be a sense of entertainment. So that does make sense.
Right when you went back after that about a week later,
were you afraid that you might be wearing out your
welcome or because of those prior experiences. Was that not
a concern?
Speaker 2: Well, what I wanted him to do is to get
used to me, and I can get more scientific detail
about what I'm dealing with. After several interactions with them,
and they're not running from me and I'm not running
from them, I can gain more Like I had with
my Sashquatch family, the clan family on the Cumland River,
I was able to gain the trust of the head
of the clan, which was a female, and then I
was able to learn quite a bit about them just
through her and that's the same way with the dog men.
Sometimes it can take two to three weeks or a
month to get them used to you. But then at
the same time, you got to get used to them,
and then you build an individual characterism. I'm different, they're different.
They're looking at my personality, my way of walking, my
way of talking, and they're doing the same thing. So
we pick up on each other to the point to
where you know, we can basically say hey, we're friends,
you know, without saying it. I mean no harm and
they mean no harm to me.
Speaker 1: You live an exciting life, Bruce, got to give it
to you, Holy count When you watch that group of
them fight that day by the Putnam Smith County line,
how close were you to the action?
Speaker 2: Oh, when it first started. I had went back a
few days later, and I were my size eleven im boot.
Now I put my boot toe to heel to the
spot where I first seen and fighting and come up
with twenty one feet And so it was deathening the screaming,
the fighting, the noise they were making. I mean, I
was just right there. And then I used that opportunity
why they weren't watching me, to get the distance between us,
because when they're fighting. I don't know what they're capable of.
Speaker 1: Twenty one feet that's the length of a crew caped truck.
That's close right right. And it was the females that
come in and cut the males off. They were the
closest to me. And when they cut the males off
and went to fighting, that's I mean, if we there
was even a closer encounter than that, Because one of
the females through one of the males just about on
top of me, And that's what caused me to go
up the creek, up the long hollow where I could
see down the creek and get some distance to where
I could stay one hundred and fifty to two hundred
yards behind a boulder and watch them. And I always
carry a small set of monoculars, so I watched them
through the binoculars, and the females eventually won the fight.
Speaker 2: Everything calmed down, they went their directions. One of the
males started up the holler I was in, so I
just eased back out and come out on a dirt road,
and then I walked the dirt road three miles back
around the long way to my vehicle.
Speaker 1: Were you stumbling and bumbling because you were so out
of sorts after what you had seen, or were you
able to keep it together.
Speaker 2: You're out of breath. You're out of breath when you
see these things. That's exhilarating. You're not scared, but you're
just exhilarating to the point to where you felt like
you've worked out, you'd put in an eight hour day
in thirty minutes. You know, it's just so exhilarating. It's
like you're having an adrenaline dump. When everything calms down,
you're just exhausted.
Speaker 1: Well, all bet after seeing something like that and being
so close to it, that's really intense. Did you get
the impression that if the females wouldn't have done what
they did, that those meals would have actually taken you out?
Speaker 2: No, I didn't get that impression. I got the impression
that I crossed into their territory and in that group
that I just felt like they were probably just going
to try to push me out. It's what I was
hoping anyway. But I did have a weapon on me,
so you know, my weapon take some of your feer too.
Knowing you've got it.
Speaker 1: Well, the big question is if it's going to be
effective or not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's true. In the right placement shots, it
will work.
Speaker 1: Hopefully. You've had some extreme dogged and related experiences. Bruce,
that's a huge understatement. But is there anything that's still
left on your dog mean related bucket list that you
still hope to accomplish.
Speaker 2: I hope to accomplish it one day, actually sitting on
the same rock with a woman and trying to learn
their language or them try to learn mine, because so
far it's not been other than jumping on my vehico,
busting my windshield, ripping my mirrors outside mirror, there's really
nothing been that aggressive that would scare me. Yeah, when
they you know, when those got the fight and I
wanted to put a little distance in because they're mad.
I had never dealt with one that was actually mad mad,
so I said, well, I'll get away whether going at
it and they're reserving from a long distance and see
what happens. But they rested relatively calmed down after the
women put a whooping on them. They calmed down.
Speaker 1: Goodness for that. And you'd be the perfect person to
ask this, since you were right there and got to
watch the fighting, how would you describe their fighting style?
Speaker 2: Biting, there was a lot of biting going on. It
was a lot of posturing to where one was over
forcing the other one. I've seen one get bit in
the back of the neck and shook. He was the
one that got thrown down just about on top of me.
But they didn't really go after it like to the death.
You know, one got hurt batting up, it'd scream and
run back, and it was pretty much over with. But
when that female grabbed that one by the back of
the neck and it was a lot bigger than she was,
and she shook her head like a dog would shake
a rag, and when she released it through it it
just about landed on me. And he was in a
lot of pain. So I wasn't his worry. His worry
is that the female didn't come back down on top
of it.
Speaker 1: Thank goodness, you weren't his worry. I know, knowing as
much about dogs as you do, you know that dogs
can displace aggression. You can be holding a dog that
loves you on a leash, and if there's another dog
on the other side of a fence from it and
your dog gets upset, sometimes your dog that loves you
will turn and bite you on the leg. Due to
displeaced anger. But with that meal that got thrown right
on top of you, practically, Thank goodness he didn't have
displacement of anger, because if he did.
Speaker 2: Sure right right, that happens, You've got to you've got
to keep talking. You've got to let him know you're there.
You know, even if you've got if you're if you've
got a dog on elation, a neighbors dogs on elation,
and your dog and that dog's going at it, you've
got to let your dog know that you're going to
reach down and touch it or really bite you out
of instinct thinking another dog touched him, you know, in
the same way with these dog men, I just kept
talking out loud, but I put some distance when that
one just about landed on me. I put some distance,
not in a hurry, not running, because I don't want
to bring out the animal instinct in them to chase me.
Speaker 1: As Bray, Bruce, I can't even imagine half of the
experiences you've had. Just amazing, it really is. Well, we're
about out of time. Would you like to give us
any clusing comments before we get out of here? Yeah?
Speaker 2: If you ain't watching, you ain't watching. You come across
these dog men. Do not let them bluff you. They
smell fear. Any of these cryptids smell fear. They'll harass
you and could hurt you. Just hold your ground, talk
out loud, make them curious about at you to why
you're not running like the rabbit or the coyos or
anything else they come across. Just hold your ground, and
if they get too close to you, pull a weapon
out and part in the air. But don't really like
the sound of guns. Dog men doesn't. I guess it
hurts their ears because most people on the Fourth of
July they put their dogs up because the power works
for their ears. I hope you're close enough to one
and you think he's going to get aggressively, just far
your gun up in the air or into the ground.
I prefer you shoot into the ground and just shoot
it into the ground, and it hurts his ears. He
can't he can't handle it. Feel back off, Bruce.
Speaker 1: I've got a sneaking suspicion that you're not done having
experiences with these guys. I wouldn't be surprised if the
next one's just around the corner. But if you do,
you have any other experiences, I really hope you're going
to be interested in coming back to up datas on them.
I really do.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm working with some right now on a
private ranch right now that I'm gradually getting closer and
closer to them. We started out at probably a quarter
of a mile. Now I'm down to just a fifty
or seventy five yards from them, and I'm wanting to,
if not make friends with them, make acquaintances with them
before they know I'm not going to hurt them. But
first I got to know what their attentions are too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always best to be cautious. It always is. Well.
Having said that, thanks again so much for coming back
to up datas. I really do appreciate it. Then, yeah,
please remember if I can ever help you, let me
know and I'll be there for you.
Speaker 2: Hey, I thank you, I thank you. We might get
together and I've run across one this friendly and hope
we may put a saddle. Don't even try to ride.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't surprise me given your experiences. I wouldn't surprise
me at all. You'll be drinking beer with one for
you know it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would kick back and made a
cheeseburger and drank a cop from one of them, and
then I'll come out and say, hey, I'll did it.
Speaker 1: You know, if anyone's gonna be able to do that,
I'm talking to the guy who's going to be the
one that's a given.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you're welcome. Well, yeah, thanks against so much
of your time, and have a great night.