Speaker 1: Weird, Weird.
Speaker 2: Welcome back midnight viewers to find them Malone's weekly round up.
Speaker 2: I am fond alone, but the booth is empty this weekend.
Speaker 2: Ripley Gene has chosen not to record this bumper in
Speaker 2: protest of not being allowed to accompany me to the
Speaker 2: movie theater. I would have taken her. I definitely could
Speaker 2: have snuck her in, but she was insistent we use
Speaker 2: the trench coat method where she sat on my shoulders.
Speaker 2: More Tiny Fodora enacted as the head of some misbegotten
Speaker 2: creature from beyond space. It's gonna be a little different
Speaker 2: this week. I swear we'll get back into the swing
Speaker 2: of things starting Friday. Friday is the return of Fusco
Speaker 2: fest HP, the host of Night Mister Walters, is joining
Speaker 2: me to discuss the films of screenwriter John Fusco. We've
Speaker 2: already covered Crossroads, Young Guns, and Young Guns too, and
Speaker 2: those are available for your listening pleasure right now. But
Speaker 2: Friday is Thunderheart. That is the FBI native American thriller
Speaker 2: starring the late great Val Kilmer. This episode is a
Speaker 2: crossover with the Projection Booth and Culture Cast podcasts, and
Speaker 2: those hosts just so happened to be co host on
Speaker 2: midnight viewing What a Grand Incestuous stew Today we are
Speaker 2: covering Thunderbolts Asterisk, the first in the latest phase of
Speaker 2: Marvel Films. This is Phase five. Are you excited? Yeah,
Speaker 2: well came you liver A go watch Daredevil. Mike White
Speaker 2: from the Projection Booth is running the show on this
Speaker 2: episode and we are going to start right after the
Speaker 2: trailer for Thunderbolts. Thank you for listening. Catch you next
Speaker 2: Sunday with an all new weekly roundup.
Speaker 3: Lenna being Shiro, there is no higher calling. Your sister
Speaker 3: understood something about that.
Speaker 4: I should come back for you.
Speaker 2: No, that's just a fairy tale.
Speaker 1: I was in high school when the Avengers came.
Speaker 3: Kind of strange that it's all over now.
Speaker 1: No one's coming to save the day.
Speaker 4: I think we are.
Speaker 2: We can be the ones that are coming.
Speaker 3: Look, you have the wrong people. We have all done
Speaker 3: bad things.
Speaker 4: Look out there where you are the past says and
Speaker 4: go away. So you can either live with it forever
Speaker 4: or you can do something about it.
Speaker 3: I am avoid look quite a humor.
Speaker 4: I wish.
Speaker 3: You can't tell her on the emptiness.
Speaker 4: We can't do this things. No one here is a hero.
Speaker 2: You all have things that we regret, but I have
Speaker 2: so many. Let not when I look at you, I
Speaker 2: don't see your mistakes. That probably may be too. We
Speaker 2: can't start having alone, no one can.
Speaker 4: But we can find a way together.
Speaker 2: Marble Studios Thunderbolts.
Speaker 3: Welcome to a special episode at the Projection Booth Culture
Speaker 3: Cast midnight viewing all that stuff. I'm your host, Mike White.
Speaker 3: Join me once again, is mister Chris Tashu.
Speaker 1: That asterisk better means something by the end of this movie,
Speaker 1: Oh boy.
Speaker 3: Also joining us is Father Malone.
Speaker 2: That asterisk is meaningless much like the rest of us movie.
Speaker 1: Oh no, wa lallah lalla.
Speaker 3: On this special episode, we are diving into the electrifying
Speaker 3: world of Thunderbolts Asterisk. We are going to dissect Marvel's
Speaker 3: unconventional team of anti heroes and misfits, exploring how this
Speaker 3: film crashes into the MCU lineup. We are going to
Speaker 3: get into the film's themes of redemption, betrayal, and blurred
Speaker 3: moral lines. Yes, we're you're going to be spoiling things,
Speaker 3: but hoping to keep that for a little later in
Speaker 3: the discussion. I mean, I really couldn't believe that Bucky dies.
Speaker 3: That's really fair. Oh sorry, oh man, right out of
Speaker 3: the gate.
Speaker 1: Oh fuck yeah, it's almost like the people who made
Speaker 1: this movie spoiled parts of the movie ahead of time.
Speaker 2: Almost almost.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, well I don't know. I haven't been paying attention,
Speaker 3: so that's kind of a nice thing. Well, Chris, lucky
Speaker 3: you Chris, what did you think of Marble's Thunderbolts as
Speaker 3: risk sco.
Speaker 1: If you could see me right now, which you can't
Speaker 1: everyone who's listening, but Father Malone and Mike. I currently
Speaker 1: have my hair and corn rows because I was on
Speaker 1: vacation for a week on a Disney cruise. If you
Speaker 1: want a Disney cruise around the time of movie premieres,
Speaker 1: you might get to see it on the boat. That is,
Speaker 1: in fact what happened last week. I got to see
Speaker 1: The Thunderbolts essentially ten forty five on Thursday night, the
Speaker 1: night before the night before it came out, so it
Speaker 1: came out Friday at twelve. I saw it essentially when
Speaker 1: it premiered. There was a little even up at David
Speaker 1: Harbor was like, Hey, everybody on the Disney cruise Land,
Speaker 1: this is the Thunderbolts premiere.
Speaker 2: It's like all right. Wow.
Speaker 1: Like I'll tell you, the other thing I watched on
Speaker 1: the cruise line was Snow White twenty twenty five, which.
Speaker 2: My god, that movie is fucking baffling.
Speaker 1: That movie is an affront to a lot of things
Speaker 1: remaking Snow White. Sure, but wow, lots of choices being made.
Speaker 1: Speaking of choices being made, I got to see Thunderbolts,
Speaker 1: Like I said same, essentially within twenty four hours of
Speaker 1: you guys getting to see it. I enjoyed it. I
Speaker 1: think it has its issues, and boy, there are some
Speaker 1: things where I'm like, and we're and I'm just I
Speaker 1: sent my clock to it, and I'm waiting and I'm
Speaker 1: waiting and I'm waiting and here's the thing. And some
Speaker 1: of it it was like, all right, cool, we knew
Speaker 1: it was coming. Some of it was like we didn't
Speaker 1: know what was coming. I guess. So Marvel did a
Speaker 1: better job, in my opinion, promoting this movie than they
Speaker 1: did with, say, the movie that had Red Hulk in
Speaker 1: it for nine minutes. When they promoted it for like
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the promotional material was the Red
Speaker 1: Hulk of it all. I think it's fun. I love
Speaker 1: Florence Pugh, so I'm probably a little biased in terms
Speaker 1: of my ability to enjoy this movie. I was already
Speaker 1: and a little bit of a I don't know, you've
Speaker 1: got me in the door with Florence Pugh, You've got
Speaker 1: me in the door with David Harbor. So I already
Speaker 1: enjoyed the most everything that they are in. So this
Speaker 1: was gonna be something I was going to watch anyways.
Speaker 1: But I was actually somewhat excited to watch this movie.
Speaker 1: All of that to say, it has its problems. I
Speaker 1: think it's better than Captain America Brave New World. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'm and that might be controversial. Father Malone and I
Speaker 1: may have some back and forth. I don't know, because
Speaker 1: we didn't really get to talk to Father Malone about
Speaker 1: Captain America. And there will be only one more opportunity
Speaker 1: this year for us to talk about Marvel things with
Speaker 1: the upcoming Fantastic Four movie. So this, I feel like,
Speaker 1: is a pretty big movie this year. And I think
Speaker 1: that if you're going into it hoping it's a big
Speaker 1: movie and it lives up to what it kind of
Speaker 1: is advertising itself as a Marvel Souit suicide Squad, I
Speaker 1: think for the most part, it checks the boxes it
Speaker 1: has its problems, but I enjoyed it, I think a
Speaker 1: little bit more than I've enjoyed the last Captain America movie.
Speaker 1: And I've rewatched dead Pool Wolverine several times since I
Speaker 1: saw it last year, and I that movie does not
Speaker 1: hold up really well the next couple it's a cameo's
Speaker 1: like a couple scenes is what dead Pool Wolverine is
Speaker 1: for me. It's like four scenes and you pretty much
Speaker 1: everything else is like just whatever we've seen this before,
Speaker 1: or the addition of Wolverine made it a lesser movie.
Speaker 1: So in terms of my enjoyment, I enjoyed this more
Speaker 1: than the last couple Marvel things I've seen. But I'm
Speaker 1: really curious what y'all thought, because y'all saw it in
Speaker 1: like theaters, I'm assuming with lots of I mean, I
Speaker 1: saw with lots of people. People were reacting to this
Speaker 1: movie in a way that I hadn't seen in theaters
Speaker 1: in a while. People were clapping and really excited, and
Speaker 1: I appreciated that more than anything else, that people were
Speaker 1: like engaging with the movie, which felt, I don't know,
Speaker 1: refreshing in a way like I actually felt like I
Speaker 1: could sit in want this movie and people were sitting
Speaker 1: around me and laughing and enjoying it and having a
Speaker 1: good time. So maybe the bar was relatively low. I
Speaker 1: feel like that's part of it. So father alone, I
Speaker 1: am so so curious because even looking down a lot,
Speaker 1: looking down a whole lot, what did you think of
Speaker 1: thunderbolts asterisk?
Speaker 2: Wasted wasted opportunity? That's what I would say. This is
Speaker 2: the one I was really really looking forward to from
Speaker 2: the MCU, from everything that got announced in the previous phase,
Speaker 2: which is this is is this phase four? Phase five?
Speaker 2: Is this official? Does anyone know?
Speaker 3: I think it's Phase five?
Speaker 1: This is Phase five. This is the first film in
Speaker 1: Phase five, right, But this was technically supposed to come
Speaker 1: out before Captain America Brave New World, So this was
Speaker 1: actually the fo This is the fucker Room of Spider
Speaker 1: Man and Doctor Strange all over again. Is really what
Speaker 1: this is?
Speaker 2: So this was supposed to be part of Phase four.
Speaker 2: As part of Phase four, I would say this is great.
Speaker 2: This is the best part of Phase four as a
Speaker 2: step towards Phase five. I don't know what the fuck
Speaker 2: they're doing, Like they've already proven that you can have
Speaker 2: a disparate band of misfits and turn them into a
Speaker 2: team and then we're gonna love them. With Guardians of
Speaker 2: the Galaxy, I think Suicide Squad, both Suicide Squad movies
Speaker 2: over at DC were in reaction to Guardians of the Galaxy,
Speaker 2: and I think they kind of tried to replicate that tone.
Speaker 2: These sort of goopy ultimately ultimately tone which Thunderbolts in
Speaker 2: its conception was a group of fucking villains. Barren Zimo
Speaker 2: formed the fucking Thunderbolts initially like this is their chance
Speaker 2: to do the team up of the fucking serious people
Speaker 2: in the MCU, And for the most part they act
Speaker 2: very seriously once they sort of engage in combat, but
Speaker 2: then the rest of it it's all sort of jokesterism
Speaker 2: that and their none of the jokes land, and I
Speaker 2: don't want them to be like cracking wise with each other.
Speaker 2: Like John Walker is a piece of shit of a
Speaker 2: human being. That's kind of what I like it, because
Speaker 2: ultimately he wants to do the right thing, Like these
Speaker 2: are all terrible people yearning to be better, and what
Speaker 2: we get is, you know, a glad handing, slapping on
Speaker 2: the back thing for like a good of this movie.
Speaker 2: This movie doesn't begin until like one hour in. Honestly,
Speaker 2: it had been like a Marvel television special where at
Speaker 2: the end we get to meet the new Avengers. Well, okay,
Speaker 2: that makes sense to me, But like as its own
Speaker 2: feature of film, it's so disjointed and weirdly paced, like
Speaker 2: like we just keep we get all of the characters
Speaker 2: sort of thrown in. But it's an exposition dump like and.
Speaker 1: A very lazy exposition dump as well. The most like,
Speaker 1: it's the standoff of standoffs. It's like, I'm who are you?
Speaker 1: Who are you? It was like Spider manning one another, Mike,
Speaker 1: same question to you. Thoughts on Thunderbolts asterisk.
Speaker 3: Well, I am unfamiliar with this as a comics title
Speaker 3: very much, so I have nothing to compare it against.
Speaker 3: And I'm not familiar with who the villain is of
Speaker 3: this film. Well, I guess there are two villains. Really.
Speaker 3: I am familiar with the Julie Ladrie Julia Lewis Dreyfus
Speaker 3: character who keeps popping up in these Marvel shows. And
Speaker 3: then at the end of Black Widow. Is it weird
Speaker 3: that I keep forgetting that Black Widow is dead because
Speaker 3: I keep watching the Black Widow movie and I mean,
Speaker 3: I always, you know, don't think that people are dead
Speaker 3: in permanence in Marvel universes. So I'm just like, oh, what, wait,
Speaker 3: what why is she said? Oh, we're sisters. Said, oh okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 2: And here's hoping they never bring her back because the
Speaker 2: permanence of her death seems to actually echo in the MCU.
Speaker 2: We all know, Yeaptain America. Steve Rodgers is on his
Speaker 2: way back at some point, is he, Oh yeah, oh
Speaker 2: one thousand.
Speaker 3: You mean like that old guy, the ninety year old guy.
Speaker 1: Nope, I don't think Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you heard Joe Biden. That guy.
Speaker 2: That guy's currently on the moon. You'll wait, you wait
Speaker 2: and see.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I was unfamiliar with the Thunderbolts concept. I honestly
Speaker 3: thought that the Thunderbolts were a reference to General Thunderbolt Ross,
Speaker 3: so that it has nothing to do with him, and
Speaker 3: lots to do with Jolena's elementary school maybe even preschool
Speaker 3: soccer team.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, okay, well that is actually a change
Speaker 2: from the comics that, Oh okay, because they are named
Speaker 2: for General Thaddeus Thunderbolts, that is what that is.
Speaker 1: What it is. Yes, okay, as Father Malonda and I
Speaker 1: are sitting here smirking, it's because you were right in
Speaker 1: that assessment. That is where that comes from in the comics.
Speaker 3: All right, all right, is he like their team or something?
Speaker 2: He yes, he's yes, exactly, And Red Hulk is part
Speaker 2: of the oh the team.
Speaker 3: He's like the lawlor and the superpowered chief of it,
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 1: And mind you, this is like nineteen ninety seven Marvel.
Speaker 1: This isn't like nineteen seventy five. Like this is right,
Speaker 1: we're talking at the point where Marvel is, Oh God,
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong here on this, Like Marvel
Speaker 1: is at the point where they've almost gone bankrupt.
Speaker 3: They filed for chapter. Look, I think in nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's what I thought.
Speaker 1: Like this is like this is like the Hail Mary time,
Speaker 1: Like this is Marvel swinging hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, And I mean I remember starting to read comic
Speaker 1: books in the early two thousands. That's when I started
Speaker 1: reading stuff like Ultimate Spider Man and the Ultimate Stuff
Speaker 1: that I honestly think the Ultimate Stuff is the best
Speaker 1: stuff that Marvel's ever done. And you know, I know,
Speaker 1: Father Malone, It's okay, I'm showing my age on this one.
Speaker 3: Some of it is and some of it is absolute
Speaker 3: to me, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But Spider but Ultimate Spider Man. Oh but Ultimate
Speaker 1: Spider Man.
Speaker 2: That's ultimate good. It's Ultimate Spider Man.
Speaker 1: I would disagree Ultimate Fantastic four. But that's only because
Speaker 1: that's only because we get the Maker out of all that.
Speaker 1: And the Maker is the best villain in any comic books.
Speaker 1: The Maker is just evil. Read Richard's which is like horrifying.
Speaker 1: What if the world's smartest man was just like fuck
Speaker 1: this shit, I'm all big time villain. And his head
Speaker 1: is so big that it's a cone. It's like cone
Speaker 1: shaped because his brain has like enlarged so much from
Speaker 1: the knowledge. Again, so that's the only other thing we're
Speaker 1: getting him.
Speaker 2: You aren't, well, I like, after Doomsday, aren't they going
Speaker 2: to war World?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: I hope.
Speaker 1: So, I mean they're gonna do They're gonna do Maker
Speaker 1: that quickly. Wow?
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean they've been talking about secret wars for
Speaker 3: over a decade. I mean they were just like, okay, well,
Speaker 3: pretty soon it's gonna be the Reign of Kang or
Speaker 3: whatever they're calling it. In ninasty Yeah, King Dynasty and
Speaker 3: then Secret Wars Baby, here we Come Get the Beyonder.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I think I think from I think are
Speaker 1: we on the same page that maybe this movie is
Speaker 1: fallom alone? Are you in the camp that this is
Speaker 1: not worth seeing?
Speaker 2: No, I think it is worth seeing. I think it's
Speaker 2: a movie that has interesting disparate parts.
Speaker 1: Okay, and Mike, are you in the same thought.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of still in my intro.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'll go for it.
Speaker 2: Yah, I go for it.
Speaker 1: I'll go for it. I think we're just too excited
Speaker 1: to talk about it. And that's what happens when we
Speaker 1: talked movies.
Speaker 3: I liked it. There we go, Hey yea, And people
Speaker 3: people in my theater were not as engaged. I had
Speaker 3: a couple of talkers, and I had quite a few
Speaker 3: cell phones going on, to the point where I almost
Speaker 3: wadded up my popcorn bag and threw it at a
Speaker 3: guy a few rows in front of us because he
Speaker 3: just kept looking at his fucking phone. At least it
Speaker 3: was in dark mode, so that was better than the
Speaker 3: asshole next to me who is flashing his phone as
Speaker 3: he's like looking at it, and it's just like a
Speaker 3: flashlight in my eyes. So that was annoying.
Speaker 2: I wonder why movie theaters are going under Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Well said again, why did the movie theater experience not
Speaker 1: change after COVID Fuck you?
Speaker 3: That's why the twelve of us that were in that
Speaker 3: theater and it was the only screaming today that was
Speaker 3: not in like I don't know sense around four d
Speaker 3: blah blah blah make their money somehow. Oh yeah, we
Speaker 3: have like this new thing. I don't know if you
Speaker 3: guys are from you're with at least mjr. Is doing
Speaker 3: this thing that is almost like cinerama. They are doing
Speaker 3: like three screen type of thing, and I'm like, I
Speaker 3: don't know how you're doing this. I didn't walk into
Speaker 3: that theater to take a look, but eventually I'll probably
Speaker 3: see something in that. But yeah, I thought that this
Speaker 3: was It was an interesting way of going about the storytelling.
Speaker 3: The whole idea of cutting between the three stories for
Speaker 3: White a while, between the Yolena story the Bucky story,
Speaker 3: and then why am I blanking on Julia Louis Dreif. Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: the Fontaine and I'm dropping the duh just like fence
Speaker 3: from defense, that whole thing like which that her her character.
Speaker 3: I mean, swap her out with gian Carlo Esposito and
Speaker 3: you've got the boys all over again. So yeah, it
Speaker 3: was very very odd. I mean, especially like her talking
Speaker 3: with the Bob and stuff. And yeah, the Bob character
Speaker 3: was interesting. I mean it pretty They pretty much just
Speaker 3: hand it to you what he is, who he is,
Speaker 3: what's happening. I mean from the very beginning when Yelena
Speaker 3: has her first mission that we see her on and
Speaker 3: I will tell you, I thought she said that she
Speaker 3: was going to Oscorp, so I'm super excited.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, os Corp.
Speaker 3: Wow, we're for no OX Group Sorry, no ox Corp.
Speaker 2: Yes, but may I speak to the Valentina of it all?
Speaker 5: Sure?
Speaker 2: What a total fucking waste of Valentina as character, considering
Speaker 2: we've they've had. They've been nick furying her throughout, like
Speaker 2: all of the Phase three, Phase four stuff. She's just
Speaker 2: been sort of in the background, showing up and grabbing
Speaker 2: team members ketches can villains at that. It's been so
Speaker 2: exciting watching it happen, Like the fact that this movie
Speaker 2: begins with a scene where none of them have ever
Speaker 2: worked together. They're all just sort of separate. Ascent she's
Speaker 2: gathered them all making them all each other's own target,
Speaker 2: to get them all into one room so that she
Speaker 2: can incinerate them. But it's at a facility she doesn't
Speaker 2: actually know what's going on, And like, why this movie
Speaker 2: didn't just why this movie didn't just begin with them
Speaker 2: as a team doing a mission to go take out
Speaker 2: this guy Bob for her. It would have saved so
Speaker 2: much time and allowed so much more of this The
Speaker 2: other part of the story, the part that you're talking about, Mike,
Speaker 2: where we get backstory on each of our therapies through
Speaker 2: these flashbacks and these mystical flashbacks. But you know, Bob
Speaker 2: can the Sentry can bring you into this never world
Speaker 2: said the word.
Speaker 1: He said the word. It's Spoiler's time. Baby. It's like
Speaker 1: the Red Hulk at Harrison Ford. It really is, like.
Speaker 2: Everything in this movie was spoiled. Every fucking good scene
Speaker 2: in this movie was in the trailer. There were zero
Speaker 2: surprises for me.
Speaker 1: Olga Currilenko not making it aft out of the first
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes is obvious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she wasn't in any other shot. And by the way,
Speaker 2: what the fuck, man, that's what they're doing, a task master,
Speaker 2: that's how they're just going to prove that this is
Speaker 2: the serious thing before they said make jokes for the
Speaker 2: next fucking hour and a half.
Speaker 3: I'm so glad I didn't pay attention to any of
Speaker 3: the trailers because I knew nothing about Centry. I was like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: here's this Bob guy. Of course he's going to be
Speaker 3: this Sentry character. We get the mention of Sentry at
Speaker 3: the Ox Corp stuff, and then we get the you know, oh,
Speaker 3: here's all these character designs basically for him. And as
Speaker 3: soon as they hit that little box or whatever, I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, okay, here comes like the Adam Warlock
Speaker 3: of the group. All right, this makes total sense. And
Speaker 3: then when he showed up and he was like, well,
Speaker 3: I don't really remember anything, I was like, okay, so
Speaker 3: he's like Legion then or something, so all right, he's
Speaker 3: going to be very powerful at some point, and he's
Speaker 3: going to reveal his powers. He's going to be huge.
Speaker 3: All right, all right, I got this, and I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: they just telegraphed everything, so not even having seen the trailers,
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, But I was surprised that task
Speaker 3: Master died. I was very surprised by that, though. Thank
Speaker 3: you Io nine for saying, we can't believe how cheap
Speaker 3: it was that this character didn't make get out of
Speaker 3: the first act. And I was like, okay, so one
Speaker 3: of them's gonna die. And then when she didn't come
Speaker 3: out of that room that was incinerator, I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: oh she I guess she's really dead like I expected
Speaker 3: her to come crawling out of the rubble.
Speaker 1: No, she got shot in the head. She got head
Speaker 1: shot in with blank range by Wyatt Russell of a people.
Speaker 3: Hey, I mean I've seen Wolverine. He takes a lot
Speaker 3: of those.
Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, it's a bummer, like it's it doesn't work.
Speaker 1: It's one of the things in this movie that was
Speaker 1: a real problem. And look, they also revealed it when
Speaker 1: they revealed the cast of Doomsday, because Olga Kirilenko was
Speaker 1: also not announced for that movie.
Speaker 2: Well they didn't. I didn't announce a lot of people
Speaker 2: for that. I mean, Chris Hampson didn't get nomin true.
Speaker 1: But to be fair, that's also because the assumption is
Speaker 1: he's going to be in the second.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Doctor Strange's all start didn't get right, park
Speaker 2: Parker didn't right exactly, And it's a fucking event. Here's
Speaker 2: the thing about stint Free, and let me say something
Speaker 2: nice about the movie, be pride to the up on it,
Speaker 2: because that's probably wouldn't get end up there in the
Speaker 2: entire time. The opening scene where we get Elena somewhat suicidal,
Speaker 2: like leaping off the building. And then in that first
Speaker 2: mission they tackle a hallway fight scene, which we've seen
Speaker 2: dozens of ever since Old Boy. Everyone's going to have
Speaker 2: a fucking hallway fighting. But near they do it, they
Speaker 2: give us a god point of view, so straight down,
Speaker 2: but it's completely lit from only one sign to silhouette
Speaker 2: and shadow fighting beneath them as she went her way
Speaker 2: through them. And it's a great shot and it resonated
Speaker 2: with me while I was watching it because of the
Speaker 2: fucking trailers, because I know that century is going to
Speaker 2: be floating in the air and turning people into like
Speaker 2: pirosiuma like shadows on the ground.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, they ruined all that, all of that, all
Speaker 3: of it. I was shocked when that first person turned
Speaker 3: to that shadow. I was like, I think I was
Speaker 3: in in the helicopter and then like when the little
Speaker 3: when the I also want to call him Crimson Dynamo,
Speaker 3: but David Harber character Red Protector, Red Guardian when Red
Speaker 3: Guardian saves that little girl and then she gets like
Speaker 3: at first I thought it was dust, you know, that
Speaker 3: Theano's thing. But I was like, oh no, this is
Speaker 3: even more horrific, like the shadows, and yeah, I totally
Speaker 3: thought about hero shamount. I was like, oh fuck, this
Speaker 3: is really bad. So I had no idea that.
Speaker 2: Was going to be happening. That effect is fucking fantastic. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I wish it hadn't been ruined for me. I mean,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter, Like, eventually you're gonna see the movie
Speaker 2: and you're gonna see it again, and if it works,
Speaker 2: it works. But and it does, Like it's one of
Speaker 2: the best effects I've seen in a Marvel film in
Speaker 2: a while, and Centri ends up being one of the
Speaker 2: best villain the long genuinely genuine brand that doesn't involve
Speaker 2: you know, it is the world ending, but somehow not,
Speaker 2: I don't know, it felt more personal. I guess that's
Speaker 2: because they introduced them so early. But again, like I
Speaker 2: don't know, the painting's a just so fucking clumsy throughout
Speaker 2: that you know, by the end, we spend the most
Speaker 2: time learning about Bob Flash sent at the end. Do
Speaker 2: you even know anything more than what kind of came
Speaker 2: in with that? A guy who woke up with like
Speaker 2: we find out that he wanted to be powerful and
Speaker 2: he subjected himself to this thing and now he is okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well and his dad beat him and he did meth.
Speaker 1: So he's the first. He's the first meth powered superhero,
Speaker 1: which is I mean, Marvel's got tackled for which.
Speaker 2: Nice, that's fine, and it winks sense with these Thunderbolts,
Speaker 2: who again are terrible people. Run with the terrible Please Marvel,
Speaker 2: just commit This is the problem. This is why I'm
Speaker 2: glad they fucking canceled Blade. Don't do Blade unless you're
Speaker 2: gonna make it a horror. Don't do the dark Side
Speaker 2: of Marvel unless you're going to commit to them. Because
Speaker 2: what we're going to get into the hybrid thing where
Speaker 2: we built we're kind of half giving us, but they
Speaker 2: know that that has worked in the pan and half
Speaker 2: giving us and it hampted something, so just ends up
Speaker 2: feeling like like noth.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to get a new mixer very soon.
Speaker 3: If that's what the problem is. Yeah, holy shit, Okay.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to like check it every couple of minutes,
Speaker 1: is what.
Speaker 2: It feels like. All right, how about now you're good. Now,
Speaker 2: you're good. Now, I'm just gonna have to tap it
Speaker 2: every once in a while. I'm sorry. Okay, hey, we
Speaker 2: understand it.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, we know you're doing this on purpose, as
Speaker 1: if you even could any more than anyone of us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to do things this stupid on
Speaker 1: purpose sometimes, but Marvel figured out how to do it.
Speaker 1: Because to your point, Father Malone, I really am sick
Speaker 1: and fucking tired of in these movies the things that
Speaker 1: happen not having any sort of stakes because everything has
Speaker 1: been walked back. And to the fact that thinking that
Speaker 1: Scarlett Johanson might come back is a possibility is I
Speaker 1: think very telling of where we are with the MCU,
Speaker 1: honestly in a lot of ways, because that's like one
Speaker 1: of the deaths in the MCU that again, in my mind,
Speaker 1: you can't walk that one back. But yet it feels
Speaker 1: like with what we're about to get next year and
Speaker 1: the year after, it is going to be one of
Speaker 1: the most just like masturbatory multi versus bullshit of all time,
Speaker 1: which is fine if they do it, and then we
Speaker 1: never see it again. Great, But there have been no
Speaker 1: stakes in the MCU since Endgame, and that was like
Speaker 1: almost a decade ago. It makes me want to die
Speaker 1: that that Endgame came out almost a decade ago. It's
Speaker 1: been like a really long time, right.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, long long Row to.
Speaker 1: How there's no stakes in the MCU anymore. None, zero,
Speaker 1: And that's because of the multi versus stuff, because now
Speaker 1: you can have like any different Spider Man.
Speaker 2: And again, so they shouldn't. They should be dealing.
Speaker 1: Did it right? It did it right? It couldn't. It's
Speaker 1: contained within itself, which is fine, like Spider Man into
Speaker 1: the Spy is self contained. Like I don't think we're
Speaker 1: gonna see that version of Miles Morales in Doomsday, but
Speaker 1: fuck me, that probably is now going to happen just
Speaker 1: because I mentioned it, because they have the ability to
Speaker 1: do it. There's nothing stopping them, I guess, other than
Speaker 1: a cartoon character dancing around on screen with live action people,
Speaker 1: which would be weird even for the MCU, because I'm
Speaker 1: assuming that the agent was it Captain Britten that we
Speaker 1: saw in Doctor Strange. That's not the one from What If? Right,
Speaker 1: that's another.
Speaker 2: One that's not Captain Britain at all.
Speaker 1: Okay, So the one in What If is then agent
Speaker 1: that's car Yeah, but those are two different characters in
Speaker 1: the MCU. Okay, so there's a cartoon version of that
Speaker 1: character running around that's not gonna show up in Doomsday,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think. Yeah, it's just a frustrating thing that
Speaker 1: Marble can't seem to do anymore, is make any of
Speaker 1: this stick.
Speaker 2: They said.
Speaker 3: They were saying that, like the whole, like the Strange
Speaker 3: Supreme character is not the same one that we saw
Speaker 3: in Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness. And I'm just like, no,
Speaker 3: it makes total sense that that's the same character, Like
Speaker 3: what why we're why are you doing that? Like, go ahead,
Speaker 3: tie in What If? I'm really okay with that, Like
Speaker 3: most people have watched it, and if they haven't, it's
Speaker 3: really okay. It's not that necessary. That's the thing too,
Speaker 3: with a lot of these characters. I'm like, well, it's
Speaker 3: not really even necessary that I watched The Falcon Winter Soldier,
Speaker 3: Like I knew that John Walker was a piece of shit,
Speaker 3: but I watched that show. But yeah, they do okay
Speaker 3: with him showing up in here with the whole I'm
Speaker 3: watching you know, I'm watching the baby thing. But yeah,
Speaker 3: he he gets redeemed way too quickly, and because the
Speaker 3: guy's a fucking psycho and really just should not have that,
Speaker 3: you know, like a psycho. Yeah, exactly, but he shouldn't
Speaker 3: have instantaneous forgiveness. You know which scene is the psychoe Just.
Speaker 1: The one at the beginning of the movie where that
Speaker 1: all of them in the incinerator room. The rest of
Speaker 1: it's just like laughing and joking. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean,
Speaker 1: isn't that. I mean, that's your that's your that's your whole,
Speaker 1: that's your whole, like thesis on this movie, isn't it
Speaker 1: Father Bloon? Like that's the The disparate tones of the
Speaker 1: movie are like it's there's one movie and then there's
Speaker 1: another movie. Pretty much two thirds of the rest of
Speaker 1: the movie is another movie. That first third is up
Speaker 1: into the incinerator is a serious movie, I would say,
Speaker 1: up unto a point until they escape there, and then
Speaker 1: everything else just becomes like very jokey.
Speaker 2: No, I disagree. I think it's really jokey from the outset,
Speaker 2: and I think that's the fucking problem.
Speaker 3: Like Elene is like, yeah, you're talking to the guy
Speaker 3: that she has tied up and stuff and like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: like oh I needed that face, like that whole thing.
Speaker 2: And then they're like like and then they go to
Speaker 2: fucking Valentina like in the Senate and like that's sort
Speaker 2: of jokey too, and they be buckying. That's kind of
Speaker 2: jokey too. And by the way, after how many seasons
Speaker 2: of V with with Julia Louis Dreyfuss playing effectively the
Speaker 2: same sequences of like her on Capitol Hill being grilled
Speaker 2: by senators and stuff, all that did putting those scenes
Speaker 2: in and having this whole impeachment fucking subplot was made
Speaker 2: me think about Veep and how fucking spectacular the dialogue
Speaker 2: and how leadnit here it is here, Like were they
Speaker 2: expecting that, because these are like comedic people, like comedic actors,
Speaker 2: that they were gonna like enliven the script because they didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I have to assume. So that's the way
Speaker 1: it came off for me as well. I mean, why
Speaker 1: else cast Julia Louis Dreyfus in this role.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. I when they first cast her, I
Speaker 2: was like, really, they're going with her? And then she
Speaker 2: wasn't really so so far when we've seen her, she
Speaker 2: hasn't been playing funny. She's been playing rather sinister, and
Speaker 2: that was exciting to me and she you know, we
Speaker 2: get a bit of that here and there throughout this,
Speaker 2: but really it's just another like it's just another misguided
Speaker 2: attempt at humor, Like everyone is just trying to be
Speaker 2: a jokester. And it's inappropriate given all of the fucking
Speaker 2: seriousness that we're talking about, because there's a lot to
Speaker 2: be mined out of these people.
Speaker 1: Well, and I was gonna say, you know, the thing
Speaker 1: that really makes me laugh about this movie is it
Speaker 1: also reminds me the most of like an a twenty
Speaker 1: four Marvel movie, because the centuries would have been it
Speaker 1: could have been Centry is mental health, just like in Well,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think the Witch is you know, it's
Speaker 1: about you know, being you know, it's about feminism. That
Speaker 1: movie is kind of about feminism and the intertreating. I
Speaker 1: would have liked that x X's wif. Yeah, I agree,
Speaker 1: X's Y movies. I don't understand why they had to
Speaker 1: must the tone of.
Speaker 2: Halfway through this movie is when they all should have
Speaker 2: gotten sucked into his brain and then they because once
Speaker 2: that happens like ten minutes before the fucking movie ends.
Speaker 2: It comes to life. Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that whole thing of them going to his brain.
Speaker 3: I was like the movies over already like this. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: they should have been a whole thing after that, and yeah,
Speaker 3: this should have happened way quicker. Yeah, the pacing of
Speaker 3: this movie is very, very strange, and I think it
Speaker 3: was hoping, Now this is gonna sound a little trite,
Speaker 3: but I was actually hoping that they would have learned, like, yes,
Speaker 3: they all like lock arms and they walk up that
Speaker 3: tube and everything at the beginning, and it ultimately almost
Speaker 3: fails kind of thing. I was kind of hoping, like
Speaker 3: just to get out of that room and they do
Speaker 3: this a little bit with the whole like knocking out
Speaker 3: the power thing and then ghosts going through the door
Speaker 3: and all that. But I was really hoping like each
Speaker 3: person would have something to add to the situation in
Speaker 3: order to make them realize, like, we work better as
Speaker 3: a team than as a bunch of individuals age stuff. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Him.
Speaker 3: Bob is the only one where you're just like, well,
Speaker 3: this guy's useless, Like he's like the what's that guy's name?
Speaker 3: Kevin from the Deadpool movies, the guy with the mustache.
Speaker 3: It just shows up here and there like or oh gosh,
Speaker 3: there feels like there's another like useless, you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: of course.
Speaker 1: It's Deadpool literally, like the fucking cab driver in Deadpool.
Speaker 3: Right exactly, yeah, Hinder, I can't yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I was.
Speaker 3: Kind of hoping for more of that. And then even
Speaker 3: at towards as the movie's going, it until the it
Speaker 3: isn't until the moment where they lift up that big
Speaker 3: stone slab that they all finally worked together, and I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, okay, that's a little cheap for me,
Speaker 3: where I'm just like all right, like they they're all
Speaker 3: you know, say.
Speaker 2: Felt very early two thousands, right, that felt like a
Speaker 2: Fantastic four moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and then when they when they're fighting in
Speaker 3: New York, I'm just like, is that the same bridge
Speaker 3: that Captain America like yeaded Natasha onto one of the
Speaker 3: Chatari vehicles? Like is this the same like we're now
Speaker 3: having our Battle of New York? Like is this basically
Speaker 3: I mean, this is before they become the New Avengers
Speaker 3: at the end of the film, And I was just
Speaker 3: like Okay, so are these guys basically like, is this
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty five version of the Avengers? And basically
Speaker 3: everything is darkness and it's all psychological. And when we
Speaker 3: go inside of the cloud of darkness and inside of
Speaker 3: his brain, that's when we you know, like, this is
Speaker 3: where we're at with our country, with our mental health,
Speaker 3: is that we are just engulfed in darkness and have
Speaker 3: to find a way out of the darkness through friendship.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it sounds again, sounds like a Hallmark
Speaker 3: card or something, but very trite.
Speaker 1: Mike, Yeah, I was.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm with that. I'm totally with that. If they
Speaker 2: fucking made that the whole movie, they should have. If
Speaker 2: they had, if the movie had a point of view,
Speaker 2: it could have worked like Gangbusters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I think that's the problem. Like they
Speaker 1: they almost again, like they didn't commit to the bit.
Speaker 1: You gotta commit to the bit you made. You made
Speaker 1: were Wolf by midnight, motherfuckers. You did it in black
Speaker 1: and white. I mean again, I know, Father Malone, there
Speaker 1: were issues with it. I know. Thumbs down, he says, nay, nay,
Speaker 1: that's what the horses say. But it's better than this
Speaker 1: because they allowed him to commit to more of a
Speaker 1: horror vibe than they let this movie commit to. Essentially
Speaker 1: a horror movie vibe. Could have been a horror movie.
Speaker 1: He's pretty horrifying if he turns you into a Horotima shadow.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's horror fy.
Speaker 2: This movie should have been half Winter Soldier half fucking
Speaker 2: Nightmare Fuel.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, I don't understand why they can't just go,
Speaker 1: we're making a genre film within a genre, Like why
Speaker 1: is this so hard? Marvel?
Speaker 2: What is the problem here?
Speaker 1: I don't get it.
Speaker 3: I don't get the subplot in this and the Hulk
Speaker 3: Hulk movie, the Captain American movie. The whole movie features
Speaker 3: the Hulk prominently. I don't get this whole thing a
Speaker 3: Bucky being a senator and they even say at one
Speaker 3: point they're like, that's it, You're through, you know, like,
Speaker 3: no no full term senator for you. I think Valentina
Speaker 3: says that, and I'm just like, are we done with
Speaker 3: that subplot of him being a senator? How the fuck
Speaker 3: did that even start? Was that in Falcon and Winter Soldier?
Speaker 3: And I just it was they blotted it out.
Speaker 1: It's how they get It's how they get Sam Wilson
Speaker 1: to be Captain America.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah exactly, but who cares? Like have him
Speaker 2: just go off and beat Bucky somewhere, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? Like this is a guy who like why
Speaker 2: you have to startinly jump into service. The man's been
Speaker 2: frozen for fucking ninety years and forced to kill his friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't get it.
Speaker 3: I was really shocked that we didn't get more of
Speaker 3: their flashbacks. I mean, show me more that everybody is hurting,
Speaker 3: like I understand that. You know, we see the Olia thing. Sorry,
Speaker 3: I'm not well, yeah, Elena Elena stuff a few times
Speaker 3: and I'm like, okay, right, okay, got it. You know
Speaker 3: we see a little bit of the John Walker stuff.
Speaker 3: All right, all right, I got it. But like I mean,
Speaker 3: as as Natasha would say, Buck, he's got a lot
Speaker 3: of red in his ledger and like all of these
Speaker 3: people basically have read in their ledger. And I'm just like, yeah,
Speaker 3: show me.
Speaker 5: Well he killed Bucky, killed fucking Iron Man's parents exactly
Speaker 5: exactly in this in this MCU, in this sacred timeline,
Speaker 5: has this movie would love killing whoa?
Speaker 1: I can't wait? Huh?
Speaker 3: I mean, gosh, like the Red Guardian, Like, tell me
Speaker 3: some of the bad shit that the Soviets made this
Speaker 3: guy do.
Speaker 2: This movie should have been so fucking sin It should
Speaker 2: have been like you should have been like paralyzed by
Speaker 2: the end, like you know what, the twight ending you're
Speaker 2: describing would have worked like a fucking Spielberg movie if
Speaker 2: we had waded through all of these people's terrible psyches,
Speaker 2: you know, reminded remembering all the horrible shit they've done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, even like with ghosts. It's like,
Speaker 3: I mean, to be honest, it's been a long time
Speaker 3: since the ant Man Wasp movie, long enough that I
Speaker 3: have pretty much forgotten it other than that Walton Doggins
Speaker 3: is in it, so oh yeah, feel free to refresh
Speaker 3: me on her please.
Speaker 1: She she's in a suit that essentially like she like
Speaker 1: is constantly dematerializing.
Speaker 3: Right, and I remember the whole thing that's like the
Speaker 3: one thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And she's Laurence Fishburn's daughter or like surrogate daughter, I.
Speaker 3: Think, right, And she's in a tremendous amount of pain,
Speaker 3: and then they had that's how they quantum realm, right,
Speaker 3: she's quantum phasing at all times.
Speaker 2: The suit helps focus her and keep her an hour around.
Speaker 2: But then she can phase in an out based right,
Speaker 2: And you.
Speaker 3: Know what, I would have been okay with the flashback
Speaker 3: of some sort to just like connect me with that character,
Speaker 3: because I think, again, she could have been a delightful character,
Speaker 3: but I got nothing from her.
Speaker 2: You know. And that's one of those characters where she
Speaker 2: is so fucking powerful that it kind of boggles the mind.
Speaker 2: Like a fight scene with her and any regular human
Speaker 2: is over in two seconds. She can just phase out
Speaker 2: and phase inside you and pull out your heart like
Speaker 2: it's done. Like even when she goes up against Sentry
Speaker 2: by the end, I'm like, this could be really interesting
Speaker 2: if they actually thought it through instead of just this
Speaker 2: magic trick of her appearing and disappearing.
Speaker 1: But they always do the other thing too with her character,
Speaker 1: where they had to have a way to explain why
Speaker 1: she can't be as powerful as the character actually is,
Speaker 1: which are those like sonic imped things that like when
Speaker 1: she runs up to him and like shocks her backwards.
Speaker 1: That's the other It's like the you know, how do
Speaker 1: they smoke in space? I don't know, invent the oxygen
Speaker 1: a smoker thing, Like it's it's that bullshit, Like how
Speaker 1: do we recap the character immediately by having a magical
Speaker 1: thing that they can't get through, and it's just for
Speaker 1: that character, because that character. Yeah, exactly. Again, they never
Speaker 1: explained why ant Man couldn't just go into Thanos' soul
Speaker 1: and expand and kill him. They never explained that. I
Speaker 1: mean again, the Internet asked the question, they never explained it.
Speaker 1: And this is essentially the same thing, like she could
Speaker 1: just go whooo when you're dead?
Speaker 2: Why doesn't Marvel? Why doesn't Marvel employ a serious nerd
Speaker 2: to read the scripts and ask these questions, you know,
Speaker 2: and then they can decide whether or not, like is
Speaker 2: this serious enough for us to answer? But sometimes, like
Speaker 2: with ghosts and her powers, kind of kind of need it,
Speaker 2: Like shouldn't there shouldn't Valentina have some sort of thing
Speaker 2: to back her up. There's a moment where she's controlling
Speaker 2: Centric and it's like, wait, why do I have to
Speaker 2: listen to you? And I'm like, yeah, dummy, why does
Speaker 2: he have to listen to you? You've got nothing on him? Yeaheah.
Speaker 3: Century I mean, he's an interesting character. I can't say
Speaker 3: that I'm familiar with Lewis Pullman. He reminds, I mean,
Speaker 3: other than being Bill's son. He reminds me a lot
Speaker 3: of Jake Webber. Do you guys remember Jake Weber?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think he's I think he's a more interesting
Speaker 2: Jake Weber.
Speaker 1: I liked Lewis Pulman a lot. Actually, I see a
Speaker 1: lot of his dad in his performance. And he plays
Speaker 1: he plays Sad Sack really well, which for me, like
Speaker 1: Bill Pullman's always had like a little like said Sack
Speaker 1: edge to him, with those like puppy dog guys, and yeah,
Speaker 1: Louis Pullman has those puppy dog guys. I mean, Los
Speaker 1: Pullman's a good looking guy too, like put a cowboy
Speaker 1: hat on him and like he could be convincingly old
Speaker 1: Western cowboy too, just like I mean, because there was
Speaker 1: what there was a Bill Pullman like cowboy movie that
Speaker 1: came out a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: Like he was on that show with johsh Brolin. He
Speaker 2: was Josh Brolin's son and out of range. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: he was a cowboy and then he was great at that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I mean, I you know, I think, honestly,
Speaker 1: it's probably just they underutilized him because that scene between
Speaker 1: him and Julia Louis Dreyfuss is pretty scary where he's like, uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't really need to listen to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I liked that a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty scary. I mean again, he's Superman. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Well what's the movie he doesn't do is it doesn't
Speaker 1: make it clear how he's not. It doesn't feel like
Speaker 1: he's enough of a threat.
Speaker 3: He's because he's Superman.
Speaker 1: These guys kill him. That's that's that's in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Well, no, he kills himself. That's fine. Like the resolution
Speaker 2: in the film is okay by me. If you're going
Speaker 2: to figure out a way to sort of defeat Superman,
Speaker 2: the best way is to have to Superman defeat himself.
Speaker 2: So I actually thought that was kind of clever. But
Speaker 2: you know, for me, he's not Superman. He's Homelander.
Speaker 3: You know he is so I mean, Homelander is one
Speaker 3: of the scariest superhero slash super villains ever for me. Anyway,
Speaker 3: Like watching the Boys and there's just there's nothing that
Speaker 3: can stop them, you know, they they've been trying for
Speaker 3: three seasons now and they haven't done anything, and then
Speaker 3: just the whole like jingoistic thing. Like I was actually
Speaker 3: kind of hoping that maybe we would see more of
Speaker 3: century before he realizes I don't have to listen to you,
Speaker 3: like if that again just felt very very rush like. Okay,
Speaker 3: here's the revelation of him in the costume. All the
Speaker 3: people are there, they attack them. That doesn't work, and
Speaker 3: then immediately into that, why should I listen to you
Speaker 3: at all?
Speaker 2: I'm a god? You know?
Speaker 3: Oh you're using that g W Well, you said I'm
Speaker 3: more powerful of the Avengers. They have a god here
Speaker 3: I am, and that they're having that discussion in that
Speaker 3: same room where Robert Downey Junior famously gives his whole
Speaker 3: like and we have a hulk like that whole thing
Speaker 3: in the Avengers, the original Avengers. Throw me a bone here,
Speaker 3: give me something, give me the exact same angle or something,
Speaker 3: or even give me somebody who tries to come up
Speaker 3: on Sentry and try to call him a puny god
Speaker 3: or something. Just give me a a give me a
Speaker 3: little bit of Avengers in there, because I was so
Speaker 3: thrilled just to be back in Avengers Tower.
Speaker 1: This should have been dark of This should have been
Speaker 1: dark Avengers, not new Avengers.
Speaker 2: Well they're different, they're a whole different.
Speaker 1: Well I know, but that but that's my point. I
Speaker 1: mean and like, if you had gone the direction that
Speaker 1: we're talking about with this movie, you could have gotten
Speaker 1: away with calling the stark Avengers, is my point, as
Speaker 1: opposed to New Avengers, which the tone doesn't match this
Speaker 1: movie at all. Because to Mike's point, just now, why
Speaker 1: set this in Avengers Tower if you're not gonna do
Speaker 1: any of those things? It's been such a long time
Speaker 1: since the original Avengers came out, since a movie with
Speaker 1: the title just Avengers came out that was like two
Speaker 1: thousand and fucking twelve. That's a long like twelve eleven
Speaker 1: like something like that.
Speaker 3: Twenty nineteen was no. When was the originale the original?
Speaker 1: When did the original? Because that's what this movie twelve.
Speaker 1: It's been a long time since the original Avengers. And
Speaker 1: if this is the movie that is trying to ape
Speaker 1: movie with a climax similar and a threat similar and
Speaker 1: having a team, you don't understand, why not go further?
Speaker 1: What the fuck? What's stopping you? You literally set the
Speaker 1: movie in Avengers Tower. Why fucking waste? It's just mind
Speaker 1: boggling some of the decisions that were made. And it's
Speaker 1: like you go all the way up to the edge
Speaker 1: and then you just don't commit to the bit like
Speaker 1: you even you have an asterisk in the title. I
Speaker 1: don't even get it, like you did the fucking time
Speaker 1: you ever went all the way with the title too,
Speaker 1: all the way to the the end of the movie.
Speaker 1: We don't see it until the end of the goddamn movie,
Speaker 1: and you you couldn't. It's bits. I don't get it.
Speaker 3: They didn't make that very clear at all. But that
Speaker 3: asterisk was supposed to be like, no, it's the New Avengers,
Speaker 3: or like I guess on the poster it says the
Speaker 3: Avengers were not available, right.
Speaker 2: I have no problem with an asterisk and then them
Speaker 2: filling the title in later. It's just that to everyone's
Speaker 2: point here, this movie begins one hour into it. If
Speaker 2: everything had started with them on their first mission in
Speaker 2: the first twenty minutes finding this guy Bob, and then
Speaker 2: Bob in the twenty minute Marc is, hey, guys, guess
Speaker 2: what I'm actually fucking sentry and here we go, then
Speaker 2: we would have had time for all of this, including
Speaker 2: a recreation of the Battle of New York with the
Speaker 2: New Avengers and how they have to deal with it.
Speaker 2: It could have been fucking great. And you know what,
Speaker 2: at one point Valentina is pouring a fucking drink just
Speaker 2: like Tony Stark was doing. Like, but what's great is
Speaker 2: she's like, you know, you know, he's gonna be the
Speaker 2: Mighty's heroes. You know, you guys, blah blah blah, I
Speaker 2: don't care. And I was like, that was the time
Speaker 2: to recreate the shot from Avengers, right, but like her
Speaker 2: insistance that she doesn't actually give a shit about any
Speaker 2: of this, and we.
Speaker 1: Have we have Robert Downey Junior coming back. We all
Speaker 1: know this if anyone has seen anything, So like, why
Speaker 1: not start skewing the angle of the original Avengers because
Speaker 1: I'm just going out on a limb here and going
Speaker 1: to assume that whatever Doctor Doom is is going to
Speaker 1: have some reflection of Tony start baked in.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean from them saying that the Fantastic Four
Speaker 3: ship at the end is an interdimensional thing. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: so does that mean now that so Doctor Doom is
Speaker 3: probably an interdimensional thing. He's probably following them from that dimension.
Speaker 3: I'm wondering if they were coming from that dimension because
Speaker 3: maybe Galactus actually wins that Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: They failed. The movie is that they lose in the.
Speaker 2: End, Galactus wins, Silver Surfer dies, that's what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they spoiled the movie already, Like I hate it.
Speaker 1: I hate it so much. It makes me so upsetent
Speaker 1: because like you you you should have released the Fantastic
Speaker 1: for a movie before this goddamn movie because you have
Speaker 1: spoiled the movie. And whatever Robert Downey Junior is, however
Speaker 1: he factors into all of this if he's Tony Stark
Speaker 1: from their universe, which is probably what it's going to be,
Speaker 1: which is I guess, because they're gonna have a hard
Speaker 1: time not spoiling it and whatever the last trailer is
Speaker 1: that comes out for the Fantastic Four movie, They're gonna
Speaker 1: have a hard time not spoiling whatever Robert Downey Junr.
Speaker 1: Is doing in the post credit scene. But a really
Speaker 1: am bummed out by the way that they did the
Speaker 1: Fantastic Four thing in this movie because it is so
Speaker 1: ham fisted, like in a way that makes me win
Speaker 1: for the days of Sam Jackson just being like I'm
Speaker 1: putting together a team.
Speaker 3: Well, in that end credit sequence for Iron Man and
Speaker 3: for a lot of those very quick this credit end
Speaker 3: credit scene with them, oh my god, Well, Sam Wilson,
Speaker 3: these trying and to form the Avengers.
Speaker 2: What are we gonna do?
Speaker 3: Oh this whole copyright. Oh look at this outfit, you know,
Speaker 3: like all of these things going on.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, trying with Bob again.
Speaker 3: But yeah, the only thing I really liked about it
Speaker 3: was Bucky kind of giving her some advice as far
Speaker 3: as like, hey, you're you know you're gonna need to
Speaker 3: call for this, and you know you should, you should
Speaker 3: ask for this thing from the computer and stuff. I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, okay, that's kind of nice, because, I mean,
Speaker 3: for as much as he's in this movie, I feel
Speaker 3: like Bucky gets short shrift. I feel like a lot
Speaker 3: of people give short shrift. And it's like it's not
Speaker 3: that there's too many characters. It's a good amount. I
Speaker 3: mean there's the same, if not fewer characters than there
Speaker 3: are in The Avengers. But I sure get a lot
Speaker 3: more feel for those Avengers. And you talk about how
Speaker 3: them fighting and everything, I'm just like, oh, yeah, just
Speaker 3: like the Avengers are fighting at the beginning of The
Speaker 3: Avengers and that whole wasted fight of Captain America and
Speaker 3: Iron Man and Thor going at it kind of things. Yeah, Well, no,
Speaker 3: I'm saying top of the ship.
Speaker 1: Yes, but the thing in the forest starts on a
Speaker 1: ship and then it goes into the forest because Thor
Speaker 1: is intercepting. I watched the original Avengers for this.
Speaker 3: Okay, either you're talking about the ship as in like.
Speaker 2: The versus the Quinn chat is what we're just thank you?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but that fight, like that fight is better
Speaker 1: than anything in this movie.
Speaker 3: They they don't like each other, they can't work as
Speaker 3: a team. It takes that sacrifice of Phil Coulson or
Speaker 3: like basically his sacrifice slash the lie of the the
Speaker 3: the Collector's cards and stuff, in order to bring them together.
Speaker 3: And it's like, okay, like Loki is the one who's
Speaker 3: basically pulling the strings and like you know, seating this
Speaker 3: descent and everything. You know, like maybe Elena the Valentina
Speaker 3: character could have been doing that, but no, yeah, no
Speaker 3: she's not.
Speaker 2: That's the thing. They ultimately make her character completely fucking
Speaker 2: like powerless in this thing where she doesn't know about Bob.
Speaker 2: She sends all of these she sends all of this
Speaker 2: team of fucking badass assassins in to kill each other,
Speaker 2: not even considering that they might decide that they want
Speaker 2: to live more than that, and that they would come
Speaker 2: and get her, Like she shows up with a whole
Speaker 2: other Like why once they figure out that they're they've
Speaker 2: turned against her, can't she just nuke that fucking facility
Speaker 2: that they're in. Why do they show up with a
Speaker 2: team of people? Like she just bumbles her way through
Speaker 2: the movie. She's like the anti Nick Fury, and I
Speaker 2: thought she was going to be the even more efficient
Speaker 2: Nick Fury. Like as slippery as Nick Fury's moral compass
Speaker 2: can be, Valentina has none. She's the head of the
Speaker 2: fucking serpent society. At some point her she's kind of reveling.
Speaker 1: She revels in it, and the movie makes note of it,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't go far enough.
Speaker 2: It's this weird they make her inept with all of
Speaker 2: these fuck ups.
Speaker 1: What's and what is ultimately? What tone does that serve
Speaker 1: by not having a villain that's actually a threat? Cause again,
Speaker 1: like they take it almost all the way with Bob
Speaker 1: and then they walk it back right at the end, Like.
Speaker 2: This is a movie in search of a plot. It
Speaker 2: has no story at all going on.
Speaker 1: Do they not think that the audience can take a
Speaker 1: serious movie like I don't understand like endgame Tony Stark
Speaker 1: died an endgame like Iron Man died, and people and
Speaker 1: they're not walking that back I hope. I mean they're walking.
Speaker 1: I mean they are walking it back sort of, if
Speaker 1: you want to say, in as much as recasting Robert
Speaker 1: Downey Junior in your franchise as a different character who's
Speaker 1: essentially the inverse of the character he already played as
Speaker 1: a cop out, which it kind of is. But at
Speaker 1: the same time time, I mean, if anybody's gonna do it,
Speaker 1: and the prices are down because times are hard and
Speaker 1: you need something to move the needle. Did that moved
Speaker 1: the needle. It did even if none of us liked it,
Speaker 1: even if none of us agreed with it, it moved
Speaker 1: the needle for some people. It got some people eminently
Speaker 1: reinterested into all of this, because people, because Robert Downey
Speaker 1: Junior is a name that matters to people.
Speaker 3: I have a lot of little points about this movie. Obviously,
Speaker 3: I think the pacing is pretty bad, but I actually
Speaker 3: I liked it. I had a fun time at the
Speaker 3: movies today seeing it, And the last thing that I
Speaker 3: saw at the movies was fucking Captain America. For and
Speaker 3: it's like, there's just been nothing interesting me between the
Speaker 3: last Marvel movie in this Marvel movie. And I'm sure
Speaker 3: listeners will be like, what the fuck, there's so many
Speaker 3: great things, but it's like, yeah, but to get my
Speaker 3: ass off of the couch and into the movie theater. Yeah,
Speaker 3: most of the time, I'm just like, yeah, wafore. I mean,
Speaker 3: Mickey seventeen, I was getting ready to watch that, and
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, yeah, this is gonna be out, you know,
Speaker 3: streaming within like four days. I'm like, oh, oh, okay, Well,
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 1: You don't watch new stuff, Mike. It's that you don't
Speaker 1: go to the theaters to watch new stuff. That's more
Speaker 1: of the point exactly.
Speaker 3: It's kind of more of a wait and see most
Speaker 3: of the time.
Speaker 1: Which I mean, like I don't even understand why anyone
Speaker 1: could take issue with that, Like have you been to
Speaker 1: see a fucking movie? I saw a movie on a
Speaker 1: boat for free, Like you know, I can't, in good
Speaker 1: consciously like go see this movie. Like because again I'm
Speaker 1: advocating someone go and drop like thirty dollars for a ticket,
Speaker 1: which is what it feels like in this day and
Speaker 1: age to go see a goddamn movie in a shitty
Speaker 1: experience with a shitty audience.
Speaker 2: I will I don't invite everyone to go spend their
Speaker 2: money on Sinners, which is still in theaters and still
Speaker 2: at the number one at the box office.
Speaker 3: Fucking movie.
Speaker 2: Yeahs fucking great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that one you want the theatrical experience, because
Speaker 3: I watched that little Ryan Coogler video where he's just like, hey, man,
Speaker 3: I shot this in this format and you can see
Speaker 3: it here and you can see it. And I'm like, yes, please,
Speaker 3: that sounds great, and I'm hearing nothing but great things
Speaker 3: about it. And again I'm just like, all right, why
Speaker 3: amn't I gone to see that yet? And I don't
Speaker 3: know why I have.
Speaker 1: And Ryan Kugler is a director that Marvel has worked
Speaker 1: with and have and have me kept constantly by not
Speaker 1: allowing him to do movies like Sinners, which I like
Speaker 1: Father Malone has had ever heard nothing but good things
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: Well, Black Panther was good, and yeah, but Wakanda Forever,
Speaker 2: Believe me, Wakanda Forever is a fucking great movie, considering
Speaker 2: if you if what they had, what he had to
Speaker 2: do in the wake of all of that, with a
Speaker 2: deadline and then pushing him and trying to make him
Speaker 2: put all these new characters and shit like that was
Speaker 2: a herculean effort. The fact that movie is watchable at
Speaker 2: all is a fucking triumph. If it is watchable, it's fairly.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, though, but I don't. That's what
Speaker 1: they did.
Speaker 2: Back to it.
Speaker 1: They didn't let Ryan Kugler make the movie he wanted to.
Speaker 1: He had to essentially make what felt like Age of
Speaker 1: Old Trot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like what what movie did he want to make?
Speaker 2: He wanted to make a movie with fucking with Chadwick
Speaker 2: Boseman as Black Panther. Like that's not Marvel's fault, like
Speaker 2: he they should have taken a few years off and
Speaker 2: let him like consider his feelings and written a new
Speaker 2: Black Panther movie instead of just putting it into the
Speaker 2: pipeline and like jamming it out there, because that one
Speaker 2: should have been more special.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, And that's what And as I say, like,
Speaker 1: they didn't Marvel just and this has kind of always
Speaker 1: been the thing, Like I go back to and again,
Speaker 1: I know, because again we're just having a broad Marvel conversation.
Speaker 1: I go back to Captain America, Joe Johnston, who directed
Speaker 1: The Rocketeer, one of my favorite movies. Like, I'm always
Speaker 1: disappointed that that movie isn't more like The Rocketeer than
Speaker 1: than it is, and it doesn't have that tone and
Speaker 1: fun tone because it feels like, again, it was kind
Speaker 1: of serving corporate divesters in a way. And that's fine,
Speaker 1: but like Marvel has never been able to get I know,
Speaker 1: but again, like it's shades of it, like it shouldn't be.
Speaker 2: You know what, I don't think Captain America should be
Speaker 2: anything like The Rocketeer. I think Captain Americ should be
Speaker 2: like Captain America. I think Joe Johnston like hit the
Speaker 2: tone correctly. I think that script failed him. I think
Speaker 2: we didn't get enough of ca in America being Captain
Speaker 2: America for a long stretch of the movie because they
Speaker 2: were worried about run time. They are no longer worried
Speaker 2: about run time. I wish they had I wish they
Speaker 2: had the thunderbolts, fucking asterisk ethos on Captain America First Avenger.
Speaker 2: But it's not because like that movie is often anyway,
Speaker 2: it's just that it's hamstrung a little bit by that script.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely, and you know, what again. I was
Speaker 3: really waiting for when Century goes against Bucky and it's
Speaker 3: beating the shit out of him and Bucky gets up
Speaker 3: and goes at him again. I was really waiting. I
Speaker 3: was waiting for him to say I could do this
Speaker 3: all day. I was like, please throw me that fucking
Speaker 3: bones with opportunity again.
Speaker 1: Why call this New Avengers if you're not going to
Speaker 1: take those chance, those opportunities that you're setting yourself up for.
Speaker 2: Well, they didn't. They called it Thunderbolts.
Speaker 3: Right Instead, they're making references to Ubers and stuff.
Speaker 2: Away.
Speaker 1: Wait a second, artist, it's going to come out as
Speaker 1: New Avengers when it comes out on some sort of
Speaker 1: physical media. No, no, okay, okay, okay, So why even
Speaker 1: call this New Avengers.
Speaker 2: They didn't.
Speaker 1: It's literally was in the movie at the end of.
Speaker 3: The movie, right, yeah, just the thing.
Speaker 1: It's like, it's just a thing. Okay, So it's just
Speaker 1: the thing.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. If this had been a fucking
Speaker 2: like a special on you know, Disney Truss, then I
Speaker 2: would have been like.
Speaker 1: Oh, this is set up for the fucking New Avengers movie.
Speaker 1: I actually I'm still kind of wondering why. My question
Speaker 1: kind of went over so strange. They literally are making
Speaker 1: it clear that they at some point might re references
Speaker 1: as the New Avengers.
Speaker 3: Oh, I hope they don't.
Speaker 1: That's why would they ever.
Speaker 2: They're not going to They're not going to retitle the
Speaker 2: movie the New Avengers.
Speaker 1: That's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Which of their previous titles have they renamed?
Speaker 1: Which of their previous movies have they ever had an
Speaker 1: asterisk next to the title?
Speaker 2: Well, that's infallible. You're right, they're definitely going to retitle
Speaker 2: the movie down the road. They're letting us know in
Speaker 2: the future, they're just going to retitle the movie so
Speaker 2: they can get another fucking, you know, twenty bucks out
Speaker 2: of us for a physical going to be a.
Speaker 1: New Is there ever going to be a movie titled
Speaker 1: New Avengers?
Speaker 4: Is?
Speaker 1: I guess the better question?
Speaker 2: No? No, Oh, I doubt it.
Speaker 3: I mean, even when Sam puts together his team, it's
Speaker 3: probably going to be for the next Avengers film, you know,
Speaker 3: the Doomsday film.
Speaker 2: We'll get Young Avengers before we get a New Avengers.
Speaker 3: And that's what I think, because I was going to say, like,
Speaker 3: the thing that bothered me the most about the Wakanda
Speaker 3: Forever movie is that It's basically it's a secret iron
Speaker 3: Heart movie. And I would have been much more interested
Speaker 3: in just seeing iron Heart than seeing fucking nay More
Speaker 3: and all that shit. Go ahead, save nay More for
Speaker 3: when the Fantastic Four land on our earth. Please but
Speaker 3: keep your name more away from my black Panther. And
Speaker 3: I'm sure that they probably Yeah, I know the whole Like.
Speaker 1: Why do you need secrets of movie? Like? Why do
Speaker 1: we need a secret Hulk movie in a Captain America movie?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Why did we need a see iron Heart movie in
Speaker 1: the Wakanda Forever movie? Like I don't understand why.
Speaker 2: Well, Hulk because they don't have the rights and they
Speaker 2: have to sleep. They have to sneak him in, so
Speaker 2: that one I understand. But yes, I don't understand why
Speaker 2: theykey piggy acting other characters into what should be a
Speaker 2: one on one situation.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, I mean just like I have we seen
Speaker 3: Rere Williams since what kind of Forever? Like no, maybe
Speaker 3: she showed up in the last season of What If?
Speaker 3: I think possibly.
Speaker 2: Well, we were supposed to get a series, the Iron
Speaker 2: Wars television series, that's right, and then they said they
Speaker 2: were going to turn it into a feature film and
Speaker 2: now I don't even know if they're going to do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, was Ironworth, Armor Wars or yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you're right, graveyards.
Speaker 1: Under delivered times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the graveyard of shows that are never coming back.
Speaker 3: I mean today they're like, oh, there's not going to
Speaker 3: be a Hawkeye season two, and I'm like, oh wow,
Speaker 3: oh Crime a River. That first one was so great.
Speaker 1: A lot of like these these Phase like four and
Speaker 1: five movies are just like the ship that they've announced,
Speaker 1: the things that have come out, the order that they
Speaker 1: came out in the orders, that the Spider Man and
Speaker 1: Doctor Strange movie where the order mattered and they get
Speaker 1: it out of order, and that Spider Man movie works,
Speaker 1: because that Spider Man movie is good. But I think
Speaker 1: that's probably like the is that not the best movie
Speaker 1: that's come out in since Endgame? Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the most rewatchable definitely, Yeah, which
Speaker 2: is which.
Speaker 1: Is not necessarily great because that movie has a lot
Speaker 1: of problems too. Yeah, it's almost like it has the
Speaker 1: least amount of problems, which is like at this point,
Speaker 1: like Damning with faint praise, like it has the least
Speaker 1: problems of the last Phase four and five movies like great.
Speaker 2: And that movie introduces to the MCU, what is the
Speaker 2: best thing to come out since Endgame, which is current,
Speaker 2: which is this new season of Daredevil, Daredevil Born Again.
Speaker 2: It's fucking awesome. Best thing they Marvel has done in forever.
Speaker 1: Kind of like and or is the best thing that
Speaker 1: the Star Wars has done?
Speaker 3: Yeah right, I never really got into the Daredevil show.
Speaker 2: You don't need to start with Born Again.
Speaker 3: Okay, because yeah, for me, I was like, I was
Speaker 3: a big fan of Jessica Jones all the others. I
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, you can keep that, like Luke Cage
Speaker 3: was okay, but I don't know if I ever finished
Speaker 3: that season. I'm not about to watch Iron Fists and
Speaker 3: then like yeah, like Daredevil, yeah, I mean Daredevil for me,
Speaker 3: I was just like, yeah, this is okay, but where's
Speaker 3: Ben a Fly? Come on?
Speaker 2: I know. And Colin Farrell, Colin Farrell is missed as Daredevil,
Speaker 2: I mean as in Dared Devil.
Speaker 3: As oh fucking eight. He was so good in that,
Speaker 3: especially when he poists at his head. Yeah, he goes
Speaker 3: bull joy and then laughs.
Speaker 1: Kill everybody, kills an old lady with that toothpick.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, or him at the end with the paper
Speaker 3: clip and the fly and he he kills.
Speaker 2: The guy next to him on an airplane with a
Speaker 2: peanut ricochets off the cabin walls. Listen, if they're gonna,
Speaker 2: if Marvel really needs to tie up the whole timeline bullshit,
Speaker 2: they need to give us one fucking thing so we
Speaker 2: can have steaks once again in this series. And if
Speaker 2: they do, please do it correctly and pull in everybody,
Speaker 2: I mean everybody at the Marvel universe. Get Colin Farrell
Speaker 2: in as Bullseye, Get fucking January Jones in as Emma Frost,
Speaker 2: and Kevin Bacon, you know what I mean, bring in
Speaker 2: like an everybody and then decimate them all.
Speaker 1: Well, and that was so I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: how much you guys do of like the the Marvel
Speaker 1: kind of specting as people do, like the things and
Speaker 1: the leaks and stuff. But there was a leaked script
Speaker 1: for Kang Dynasty, and that's essentially what the like that
Speaker 1: movie was was you had like Nick Cage as ghost
Speaker 1: writer and also ITTs of like what yeah, straight up,
Speaker 1: they were going to try to get Nick Cage back
Speaker 1: as ghostwriter for that movie just so that they could
Speaker 1: have what essentially bother Malone's talking about. All those characters
Speaker 1: just essentially like to show the threat being a threat.
Speaker 1: You have a group of disparate characters coming together, they
Speaker 1: get fucked out of existence at the end of the movie,
Speaker 1: and then the second movie is just the rest of
Speaker 1: the people coming in to fix the problem from the
Speaker 1: first movie, which I mean, that's probably what we're gonna
Speaker 1: get anyways, because they can't help themselves. But that is
Speaker 1: what Kang Dynasty was going to be. They were trying
Speaker 1: to get Nick Cage as fucking ghost writer back, and
Speaker 1: you know what, there is a universe there's a version
Speaker 1: of this where we did get that, where Jonathan Major
Speaker 1: was it in.
Speaker 2: A different timeline.
Speaker 3: Fucking just recast it. Take the guy who is the yeah,
Speaker 3: what's his name? The Higher Intelligence from from Guardians If
Speaker 3: you need a black guy, that guy this he is
Speaker 3: fucking amazing and Guardians three get him in the High
Speaker 3: evolutionary right oh yeah, and like go right, I mean,
Speaker 3: but yeah, just Kang is a multi dimensional being and
Speaker 3: that's his whole thing.
Speaker 1: They didn't character you dip shits, what sort of boso
Speaker 1: pardon the parlance, mickey mouse logic is this shit, you
Speaker 1: literally have it baked into the character. You can just
Speaker 1: do you know what again, to go back to the
Speaker 1: inventor of time, you know time Lord is asked, he
Speaker 1: just regenerates. Fuck fuck off Marvel, Like nope, they they
Speaker 1: got cold feet. They got cold feet, That's all this is.
Speaker 1: They they knew what would move the needle, and they did,
Speaker 1: and instead of committing to something different, they decided to
Speaker 1: bail out. I mean, and again, if you watch this movie,
Speaker 1: this movie is a microcosm of a bigger MCU problem,
Speaker 1: which is and then we have a joke, and it's
Speaker 1: like it's always been the thing that everyone's held against
Speaker 1: Marvel is the tone, like the Joss Whedon effect, Like
Speaker 1: you get the seriousness and then right before it's supposed
Speaker 1: to be all the way serious, you have a jokey
Speaker 1: bullshit and Marvel can't escape it even now, Like just
Speaker 1: the movie itself is like that, Like the movie can't
Speaker 1: get out of the way of a tone could be
Speaker 1: taking the audience halfway serious. This movie wants to be
Speaker 1: joky because it doesn't think the audience is prepared to
Speaker 1: see characters die. We watched Iron Man die, we watch
Speaker 1: Black Widowed and Gomora die. We watch those characters die
Speaker 1: and they're dead for good, some of them, Like we
Speaker 1: can hand why, Like the people have grown up with
Speaker 1: these movies, Like there were children that were like eight
Speaker 1: years old when these movies came out. There adults now,
Speaker 1: like I don't get it, Like just respect your audience
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 2: There is no universe, by the way, where Yolena the
Speaker 2: White Widow is her her main problem is that she's
Speaker 2: not loved enough by her surrogate dad, Red Guardian. That
Speaker 2: guy would be an oozing pile of love for that character,
Speaker 2: Like he would call her every fucking day. That was bullshit.
Speaker 2: That's like a straw man, you know. They just like
Speaker 2: set that shit up so that she has something to
Speaker 2: cry about. But like, how about she just wants to
Speaker 2: fucking die because she's fucking killed so many people and
Speaker 2: a lot of innocent people, and now her sister is
Speaker 2: dead and she no longer has meaning in her life.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe that's what's troubling her.
Speaker 1: It's baked into it. It's I don't understand why they
Speaker 1: ignore the obvious and go for them.
Speaker 2: You don't call me enough on the weekends, Papa, Like
Speaker 2: that's it. That's what we're getting.
Speaker 1: Yah, Yeah, where's I just don't understand where the stakes?
Speaker 1: Where are the steaks here? They just they don't have
Speaker 1: them because they know that they have this that I
Speaker 1: think I think and this is again, this is me
Speaker 1: just making a supposition here. They have this massive reset
Speaker 1: button coming.
Speaker 2: Up, so so go for it. So fucking go for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't get it, Like, why not? Like you
Speaker 1: literally know what's coming up. You know that again, we
Speaker 1: know what they've cast for doomsday? They cast the X
Speaker 1: Men from the original X Men movies. You think that
Speaker 1: those characters are making it out of that movie? Like, No,
Speaker 1: they're not. Like, and that's not a surprise to anybody,
Speaker 1: because the way Marvel's doing things, they're telegraphing everything now,
Speaker 1: because they're making it very clear that from the point
Speaker 1: that that second Avengers movie comes out on is going
Speaker 1: to be a completely different thing that's probably going to
Speaker 1: look nothing like any of this, which is I'm perfectly
Speaker 1: fine with and cool with. But convince me that that's
Speaker 1: not what they're doing. I just don't understand why none
Speaker 1: of this stuff feels like just throw whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: caution to the wind and go for it. If that's
Speaker 1: what we know is coming, Just do it.
Speaker 2: Marvel got you are right, Marvel got cold feet because
Speaker 2: what happened was not only were they sort of slow
Speaker 2: thinking they were going to take their time like they
Speaker 2: did with the with earlier projects as far as setting
Speaker 2: up the multiverse, but I don't think they were expecting
Speaker 2: everything everywhere, all at once to come out and sort
Speaker 2: of poison those waters and get everyone like a little
Speaker 2: too overused to a multi versus a problem. And then
Speaker 2: you know, DC started doing it. TV series have been
Speaker 2: doing it. Everyone's been doing different timelines, like you get
Speaker 2: memes about it that. So, so what they did was
Speaker 2: back way off and continue telling sort of regular, sort
Speaker 2: of standard stories, not leading us in any direction whatsoever,
Speaker 2: because they were supposed to be leading us in the
Speaker 2: timeline direction. Where they should have done is every fucking
Speaker 2: single one of them should have been crazy with cameos.
Speaker 2: They should have been setting this up all along, Like
Speaker 2: why is fucking Nick Cage's ghostwriters suddenly helping us on
Speaker 2: our trip? Like you know, I don't know. They dropped
Speaker 2: the ball real, real hard.
Speaker 1: Well, it just reminds me of the problem with Deadpool Wolverine.
Speaker 1: It's like, because it's a Wolverine movie. You couldn't make
Speaker 1: this the whacked out movie it should have been, with
Speaker 1: every single insane cameo known to man, including again Nick
Speaker 1: Cage's ghost Rider, Ben Affleck is Daredevil, Like go go further,
Speaker 1: go to the Roger Corman Fantastic four movies, Like Fantastic
Speaker 1: four movie, go further than that?
Speaker 2: No, because then you would have had to have a
Speaker 2: list people in a Ryan Reynolds movie, and he couldn't
Speaker 2: handle that.
Speaker 3: Wait, what see having a problem. I'm not keeping up
Speaker 3: on this whole Blake Lively whoever this other dude is
Speaker 3: Like I see headlines almost every single day, and I'm
Speaker 3: just like I could not give a shit about any
Speaker 3: of this.
Speaker 2: Well, I thought it was actually crazy, quite illuminating.
Speaker 3: Is based on this guy? Is it okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Like I just can't pay attention to it.
Speaker 2: Come to find out, like like there there was this
Speaker 2: whole campaign with you know, trying to get this guy
Speaker 2: discredited because Ryan Reynolds was like rewriting the script and
Speaker 2: trying to like control the direction of the film itself,
Speaker 2: like right from the get go to the point where
Speaker 2: like she came forward and had to have a mediation
Speaker 2: where she claimed all of this shit was going on,
Speaker 2: that he was like behaving sexually aggressively towards her, but
Speaker 2: and he signed off like I will not continue any
Speaker 2: of this sort of behavior. But he signed it because
Speaker 2: he's directing the movie and his fucking lead actress just
Speaker 2: came out and said this, and you can tell he
Speaker 2: was like, whatever, let's just get the movie made. And
Speaker 2: then afterwards she starts like bringing it up, and then
Speaker 2: he has footage of them in all the scenes that
Speaker 2: she said he was doing it to her, where he
Speaker 2: did nothing of the sort. It's crazy. It's whoa Yeah.
Speaker 2: In a world where like you're lucky to get a
Speaker 2: movie made, the fact that anyone is behaving this way
Speaker 2: anymore is fucking bonkers to me.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. Ryan Reynolds apparently is a bad man.
Speaker 2: Seems like a real piece of shit. Now, Actually, whoa yet?
Speaker 1: Where where have all the good girled good boys gone? Mike?
Speaker 1: What's half? Oh no, damn, he's.
Speaker 3: He's supposed to be way nice.
Speaker 2: I know it should have been.
Speaker 1: Dan Ackroyd was setting the bar way too high for
Speaker 1: the malone.
Speaker 2: I guess all around the world, same song.
Speaker 1: Oh man, yikes, Oh it's nothing but trouble. Ryan Reynolds
Speaker 1: seems like nothing but trouble, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I know we've said a lot of things on this episode,
Speaker 3: but when this comes to the Plex Server, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: be watching it again, probably a few times. I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: but I don't know something about these movies. Like even
Speaker 3: though it's like, well, yeah, it missed the mark, it
Speaker 3: could have been better. This the facings off, This is off,
Speaker 3: This should have been better, but it's like, yeah, all right,
Speaker 3: it made me happy for two hours and six minutes
Speaker 3: in a movie.
Speaker 1: Theater mediocre and times. This movie is not great as
Speaker 1: this movie is, It's I think a movie I will
Speaker 1: probably come back to several times as well well, because
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. It's better than the last three Marvel
Speaker 1: things I saw, And I'm probably going to engage with
Speaker 1: Marvel a little bit further with dar Devil to Father
Speaker 1: Malone's suggestion, because I never really watched the original show,
Speaker 1: but I did want to mention and I did want
Speaker 1: to ask because we kind of alluded to it a
Speaker 1: little bit. But to kind of bring this all full
Speaker 1: circle or all the way, you know, back to the
Speaker 1: beginning or again to the spoilers of it all, what
Speaker 1: did we think about the reveal with the Fantastic Four
Speaker 1: and like to end the movie with that, what and
Speaker 1: to make that clear that this is where this is
Speaker 1: headed and to again, I'm just curious y'all's thoughts on
Speaker 1: the way that they handled it, the way that it
Speaker 1: was executed.
Speaker 3: Plumsie well as the Yeah, as the credits were rolling,
Speaker 3: I was just like, Okay, what's going to be the
Speaker 3: big reveal? And I honestly thought it was going to
Speaker 3: be something to do with doomsday, just because as they
Speaker 3: that whole fucking video with the chairs and stuff, what
Speaker 3: a stupid fucking stunt that was. But that so I
Speaker 3: was like, Okay, are they gonna give us a little
Speaker 3: something like two movies from now or maybe something about
Speaker 3: a TV show we're gonna see that White Division or
Speaker 3: some of these characters that we haven't seen in a while.
Speaker 3: But no, it feels like they've really gone back to
Speaker 3: like yes, exactly. It feels like they've kind of gone
Speaker 3: back to more of an the older style, like those
Speaker 3: original Avengers movies where it's like, Okay, this leads to this,
Speaker 3: leads to this. I mean, I'm surprised that there wasn't
Speaker 3: a Thunderbolts thing inside of Captain America for But I
Speaker 3: guess having Sam Stearns talk about It's coming is maybe
Speaker 3: the doomsday thing. But at the same time, I'm like, dude,
Speaker 3: I saw fucking Jesse Eisenberg do the whole It's Coming
Speaker 3: thing at the end of one of those awful DC movies.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't need that, you know, I don't
Speaker 3: need Sam Sterns to be doing that. I'm just like,
Speaker 3: why did Sam Stearns even turn himself in? I'm still
Speaker 3: puzzling that.
Speaker 2: So ans here your.
Speaker 3: Question about Fantastic Four. I agree with Father Malone. It's clumsy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just sort of crammed in. It's you know,
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, it's not like they haven't done
Speaker 2: this before where they just sort of give us a
Speaker 2: random bit from some other franchise that you know that
Speaker 2: will eventually sort of be getting to. But you know,
Speaker 2: I wish it had just been more Thunderbolts, like doing
Speaker 2: their fucking thing. Like, how about what's John Walker's wife
Speaker 2: up to at the end? Is he making any attempt there? Like,
Speaker 2: you know, there are plot threads that this movie brings
Speaker 2: up that they maybe could have hinted at further or
Speaker 2: like you said, Mike, give us something from fucking that
Speaker 2: we don't know what's happening, like doctor Strange is often
Speaker 2: some other fucking universe with Charlie then that right now,
Speaker 2: like what's been going on with that? There are so
Speaker 2: many things they could be checking us in on instead
Speaker 2: of like guess what's coming right and the next one? Kid,
Speaker 2: stay excited, get your pop corn bucket money ready?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't get, like that's what I mean,
Speaker 1: That's what I don't get, Like why do we have
Speaker 1: to why do we have to show the next movie?
Speaker 1: Like literally, why do we have to go like buop
Speaker 1: up buh like because we know that the next movie
Speaker 1: is not unless I'm unless my assumption is wrong with
Speaker 1: the next movie at the beginning, I think the point
Speaker 1: of leading into the next movie unless this is like
Speaker 1: with what happened with Avengers, which is the last time
Speaker 1: I could think of actually mattering that you had, like
Speaker 1: but bah like a thing where it's like and we
Speaker 1: have the pager and that goes right into Captain Marvel,
Speaker 1: the movie that has to explain what the pager is for,
Speaker 1: which ends up not even mattering an endgame, but that's
Speaker 1: a completely different story, and she comes back for one
Speaker 1: scene in that movie that matters. But hey, whatever, I
Speaker 1: really just I was at the end of the movie.
Speaker 1: I was just sitting there, was like, fantastic for it,
Speaker 1: fantastic and then you know what they did that spoiled it.
Speaker 1: Michael Giacchino is fantastic for a First Steps theme right
Speaker 1: there in the credits. And it's like you in.
Speaker 2: The credits, I saw it too, you fuckers.
Speaker 1: Like it's right there. You spoiled it before you even
Speaker 1: spoiled it for the people that still don't know, Like
Speaker 1: you gave even the people that didn't know an opportunity
Speaker 1: to be smart. Yeah, and it said it right there,
Speaker 1: And it's a and and the and the Fantastic four
Speaker 1: theme is really good too. That's the problem. It's so good.
Speaker 1: It's like now, it's like I recognized it hearing it,
Speaker 1: like because again, they play it right at the end
Speaker 1: of the movie. They're playing it over the credit as
Speaker 1: we lead into that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, by by the way, why nothing's going to stop
Speaker 3: us now by Starship in the end credits. That was
Speaker 3: that used at all in the rest of the movie.
Speaker 2: No part of the wackiness of the Guardians that we
Speaker 2: need to replicate here because that's what teams are. Teams
Speaker 2: are goofy, that's what they need to be.
Speaker 1: Boy ey, one needs a each one needs a needle
Speaker 1: drop like in Suicide Squad.
Speaker 2: Remember, oh yeah, Red Guardian should have been the only
Speaker 2: comedic character in this Yes, thank.
Speaker 1: You, agreed? Agreed. Yeah, well I don't Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know why you make the essentially American American government serial
Speaker 1: killer who just goes and kills people with wand why
Speaker 1: you've allowed him to be a jokey character and then
Speaker 1: have him be just like a dad who's on his
Speaker 1: phone around his son, which is like again, like what
Speaker 1: a yeah? How like that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a pretty small complaint.
Speaker 2: That's his Yeah.
Speaker 1: And by the way, shooting the person in the middle
Speaker 1: of the street like killing the like like they literally
Speaker 1: reference in the dialogue of the movie.
Speaker 2: No, he doesn't shoot a man in the middle of
Speaker 2: the street. He uses Captain America's shield to bludgeon a
Speaker 2: man to death. Okay, how about a flashback to that.
Speaker 2: I don't need to know that he wasn't paying attention
Speaker 2: to his child. By the way, clearly he's not paying
Speaker 2: attention to his child while all of that shit is
Speaker 2: going on. He's just been stripped of the title of
Speaker 2: Captain America. The entire world is considering him disgrace. I
Speaker 2: might be able to distract it too. It's not like
Speaker 2: his child burned themselves while he was fucking off and
Speaker 2: doing something. It was the child is sitting next to
Speaker 2: the wife's in the next room, comes in and goes, hey,
Speaker 2: we'll pay attention to the kid. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, well, that's like the least offensive thing.
Speaker 3: I mean, I was expecting her does smacker across the
Speaker 3: face or something like something terrible, something awful? Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3: And yeah, when he was bludgeoning that guy with the
Speaker 3: shield in that show, that was probably the best moment
Speaker 3: of the show, when it was actual like oh wow,
Speaker 3: this is amazing, rather than Sam Wilson just talking people
Speaker 3: down at the end of the movie. And I guess
Speaker 3: that's how the fucking movie ends, right with Captain America
Speaker 3: for him talking down a red Hulk, you know, trying
Speaker 3: to do it twice. And yeah, I met with a
Speaker 3: friend of mine for coffee recently and the first thing
Speaker 3: out of his mouth is, why wasn't it live Tyler
Speaker 3: at the end of Hope.
Speaker 1: Still have no idea. Still, if you're gonna have her
Speaker 1: in the movie, why not have her in the movie?
Speaker 1: I still don't get it. And it's Marvel just again,
Speaker 1: they go all the way up to the edge and
Speaker 1: they just don't commit. Why not? You guys have so
Speaker 1: much you know what, you have so much money, you
Speaker 1: can you can afford to make a mistake, you know how.
Speaker 1: I know Jonathan Jonathan Major's being recast and pivoting didn't
Speaker 1: cost them that much money. Quantum Mania was like the
Speaker 1: biggest failure they've had, but it's still wasn't that big
Speaker 1: of a failure. Ultimately, more critically it was a failure
Speaker 1: than it was financially, Like, Marvel can afford to make mistakes.
Speaker 1: I don't even understand why they don't commit. What's just
Speaker 1: like if anyone can commit, Marvel can commit because they
Speaker 1: have the mouse money. They have the money to commit.
Speaker 2: The crazy thing is like they announced they're doing Guardians
Speaker 2: of the Galaxy, and everyone's like, who and what the
Speaker 2: fuck are you guys doing? Like what do you think?
Speaker 2: We're just going to accept anything you throw our way?
Speaker 2: But then they actually gave us a good movie because
Speaker 2: those are good characters and you can do that, you
Speaker 2: can have a team, and you can you know, do
Speaker 2: it that way. Why they aren't, like you're saying, Chris,
Speaker 2: why they aren't just letting somebody like have a vision
Speaker 2: and go fucking with it. Because maybe it's because they're
Speaker 2: all too tied up now with all of the fucking
Speaker 2: mythology and everything has to fucking connect here and there
Speaker 2: and wherever. Like I don't know, it hamstrings this movie,
Speaker 2: like what you said Mike earlier, like about when this
Speaker 2: movie comes out on cable and whatever. Like, yes, I'm
Speaker 2: definitely gonna watch it again. I'll probably watch starting an
Speaker 2: hour in though, because that's where the movie gets good.
Speaker 2: I'll definitely'll watch anything else where they've got an established team,
Speaker 2: the New Avengers. They want to do a New Avengers movie. Fuck, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm on board. But like that meandering bullshit of the
Speaker 2: first hour of this movie, Like I don't get it,
Speaker 2: and I don't get why they aren't more focused and
Speaker 2: more free considering like we've said, they're gonna wipe everybody
Speaker 2: out anyway.
Speaker 1: Yes, hey, yeah, I don't even you know, there's part
Speaker 1: of me that doesn't even think that the versions of
Speaker 1: the Fantastic Four that we have are gonna end up
Speaker 1: being the version Fantastic for and moving forward, there's a
Speaker 1: distinct given that they've a given that we've already seen
Speaker 1: two different read Richards, because now Pedro Pascal is read
Speaker 1: Richard's number two, because we've seen that the Zoom, the
Speaker 1: Zoom meeting John Krasinski, mister Fantastic, which you can't convince
Speaker 1: me wasn't just exteriorly from everything in that movie.
Speaker 2: I would and they can bring in Griffith fucking from
Speaker 2: the original, you know exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm not even sure Pedro Pascal and
Speaker 1: then make it past you know, doomsday. I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: surprised if they get iced with the rest of the characters.
Speaker 1: Like that's and that's why for me. Yeah, to your point,
Speaker 1: Father Malone, like just give somebody free rein to do
Speaker 1: something after this. If this is what everything now has
Speaker 1: been leading to an endgame was just the half way point,
Speaker 1: and then you can and you can somehow land the
Speaker 1: ship and make it seem like this was all leading
Speaker 1: to this, which like good luck Russo brothers, good luck
Speaker 1: if you can land the ship and reset and hit
Speaker 1: that reset button hard and real hard, and on the
Speaker 1: other end of it gives some people some room to
Speaker 1: play with things because now we have this pre kind
Speaker 1: of pre accepted mythology who everybody who's seen the MCU
Speaker 1: can watch from the beginning and then get to this
Speaker 1: point where things can start anew but also as a
Speaker 1: new spot to bring new people in who don't have
Speaker 1: to see thirty five goddamn movies and thirty five TV
Speaker 1: shows worth of shit good because this is getting stale,
Speaker 1: it's getting old, and the multiverse of it all like
Speaker 1: you backed yourselves into a corner. This is your own
Speaker 1: goddamn fault. If you didn't want to do this, you
Speaker 1: should never have done it. But those Spider Man, those
Speaker 1: Three Spider Man, that money was too good. It was
Speaker 1: too good to pass up that Spider Man, the Three
Speaker 1: Spider Man in a movie. Money, it was too good
Speaker 1: to pass it up. That's what this that's what this
Speaker 1: stinks of. Still, they did the whole multiverse thing there
Speaker 1: and then they were like, well, now we can do
Speaker 1: it everywhere, and they have not done anything with it
Speaker 1: since that's the best use of the multiverse on top
Speaker 1: of everything else, And that's the first time they did
Speaker 1: it the first time, and the probably the second best
Speaker 1: time they're going to do it is in the next
Speaker 1: fucking Doomsday and maybe Fantastic four. And you know what,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of movies in between that reference
Speaker 1: the multiverse or spend time talking about it, and I
Speaker 1: just I'm so ready for this to course correct in
Speaker 1: a meaningful way. I really am, because I because, like
Speaker 1: you said, there's something about these movies that I inherently
Speaker 1: enjoy and I don't want them going anywhere. I don't
Speaker 1: like enjoy these movies way too much. Bring back Captain America,
Speaker 1: Bring back Chris Evans. On the other side of this,
Speaker 1: you want to reboot it, have him open his eyes
Speaker 1: at you know, and the start of a new day
Speaker 1: or whatever the fuck. I don't know, you know what.
Speaker 1: I'll be there for them, but you gotta you gotta
Speaker 1: get us. That's a pretty tall, almost vertical clickface to
Speaker 1: get up. And you know what, the Russo Brothers and
Speaker 1: Robert Downey Junior, I've seen them. I've seen those two
Speaker 1: Avengers movies, and they work way better than they have
Speaker 1: any to now in retrost. It really work a lot.
Speaker 1: But like that move those movies, if you've watched them recently.
Speaker 1: They have so many moving parts like and nay, and
Speaker 1: it's it works way better than these movies do, which
Speaker 1: have if not as many moving parts, but more in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. Yeah, I'm I'm ready for this
Speaker 1: to be over and done with with this timeline and
Speaker 1: them to start with something fresh. And I hope that
Speaker 1: they actually take an opportunity to do that, because the
Speaker 1: fantastic for a movie, whatever happens at the end of
Speaker 1: that movie, we can't unsee that. And this is the
Speaker 1: last recording before that.
Speaker 3: So Chris euding that you just said, I completely agree with.
Speaker 3: I am so done with this timeline and I just
Speaker 3: want everything to be over.
Speaker 1: But timeline, yes, present, God, my god, the timeline where
Speaker 1: all of the properties rites are split between multiple different
Speaker 1: companies because the company that owned them was, you know,
Speaker 1: unaware of how to do anything in film with them,
Speaker 1: while DC spent thirty years making movies. So I'm glad
Speaker 1: Marble finally got there backt together and made movies of
Speaker 1: quality and that we have the MCU. But yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: starting to sour on this and they pulled up hard enough,
Speaker 1: and this is mean, this is that opportunity from here
Speaker 1: on out. And I really was hoping Thunderbolts would go
Speaker 1: further because of what everybody knows is coming. I mean
Speaker 1: we've seen like pre production art for Doomsday and the
Speaker 1: movie afterwards. I can't even explain what the fuck they're
Speaker 1: going for, Like I don't even know, Like how do
Speaker 1: you get to that point? So I'm on board. Just
Speaker 1: don't pretend like that's not what you're doing, because everybody
Speaker 1: and their mother knows that that's what you're doing.
Speaker 3: And Ben Attic cumber Matches and playing con don't know.
Speaker 1: That's not all right?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Why would you think that?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: John John John Walker whatever hist what his character's name
Speaker 1: is in this something so you know, like, oh why yeah, ghost.
Speaker 3: Makes it to the earth, not ghost, but makes it
Speaker 3: to the end of the film. A weak wink, gentlemen.
Speaker 3: Any of the last thoughts? Are we just good to
Speaker 3: talk about what we're working on?
Speaker 2: Now? Let's do that, all right?
Speaker 3: Father Malone? What are you working on these days? Oh?
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Speaker 3: I saw that at the theater the Erort. Yeah, and Chris,
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