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<v Speaker 1>Weird, Weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back midnight viewers to find them Malone's weekly round up.

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<v Speaker 2>I am fond alone, but the booth is empty this weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Ripley Gene has chosen not to record this bumper in

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<v Speaker 2>protest of not being allowed to accompany me to the

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<v Speaker 2>movie theater. I would have taken her. I definitely could

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<v Speaker 2>have snuck her in, but she was insistent we use

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<v Speaker 2>the trench coat method where she sat on my shoulders.

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<v Speaker 2>More Tiny Fodora enacted as the head of some misbegotten

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<v Speaker 2>creature from beyond space. It's gonna be a little different

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<v Speaker 2>this week. I swear we'll get back into the swing

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<v Speaker 2>of things starting Friday. Friday is the return of Fusco

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<v Speaker 2>fest HP, the host of Night Mister Walters, is joining

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<v Speaker 2>me to discuss the films of screenwriter John Fusco. We've

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<v Speaker 2>already covered Crossroads, Young Guns, and Young Guns too, and

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<v Speaker 2>those are available for your listening pleasure right now. But

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<v Speaker 2>Friday is Thunderheart. That is the FBI native American thriller

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<v Speaker 2>starring the late great Val Kilmer. This episode is a

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<v Speaker 2>crossover with the Projection Booth and Culture Cast podcasts, and

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<v Speaker 2>those hosts just so happened to be co host on

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<v Speaker 2>midnight viewing What a Grand Incestuous stew Today we are

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<v Speaker 2>covering Thunderbolts Asterisk, the first in the latest phase of

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<v Speaker 2>Marvel Films. This is Phase five. Are you excited? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>well came you liver A go watch Daredevil. Mike White

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<v Speaker 2>from the Projection Booth is running the show on this

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<v Speaker 2>episode and we are going to start right after the

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<v Speaker 2>trailer for Thunderbolts. Thank you for listening. Catch you next

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday with an all new weekly roundup.

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<v Speaker 3>Lenna being Shiro, there is no higher calling. Your sister

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<v Speaker 3>understood something about that.

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<v Speaker 4>I should come back for you.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's just a fairy tale.

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<v Speaker 1>I was in high school when the Avengers came.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of strange that it's all over now.

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<v Speaker 1>No one's coming to save the day.

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<v Speaker 4>I think we are.

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<v Speaker 2>We can be the ones that are coming.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, you have the wrong people. We have all done

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<v Speaker 3>bad things.

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<v Speaker 4>Look out there where you are the past says and

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<v Speaker 4>go away. So you can either live with it forever

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<v Speaker 4>or you can do something about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I am avoid look quite a humor.

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<v Speaker 4>I wish.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't tell her on the emptiness.

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<v Speaker 4>We can't do this things. No one here is a hero.

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<v Speaker 2>You all have things that we regret, but I have

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<v Speaker 2>so many. Let not when I look at you, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't see your mistakes. That probably may be too. We

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<v Speaker 2>can't start having alone, no one can.

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<v Speaker 4>But we can find a way together.

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<v Speaker 2>Marble Studios Thunderbolts.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to a special episode at the Projection Booth Culture

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<v Speaker 3>Cast midnight viewing all that stuff. I'm your host, Mike White.

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<v Speaker 3>Join me once again, is mister Chris Tashu.

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<v Speaker 1>That asterisk better means something by the end of this movie,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh boy.

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<v Speaker 3>Also joining us is Father Malone.

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<v Speaker 2>That asterisk is meaningless much like the rest of us movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, wa lallah lalla.

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<v Speaker 3>On this special episode, we are diving into the electrifying

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<v Speaker 3>world of Thunderbolts Asterisk. We are going to dissect Marvel's

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<v Speaker 3>unconventional team of anti heroes and misfits, exploring how this

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<v Speaker 3>film crashes into the MCU lineup. We are going to

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<v Speaker 3>get into the film's themes of redemption, betrayal, and blurred

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<v Speaker 3>moral lines. Yes, we're you're going to be spoiling things,

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<v Speaker 3>but hoping to keep that for a little later in

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<v Speaker 3>the discussion. I mean, I really couldn't believe that Bucky dies.

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<v Speaker 3>That's really fair. Oh sorry, oh man, right out of

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<v Speaker 1>Oh fuck yeah, it's almost like the people who made

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<v Speaker 1>this movie spoiled parts of the movie ahead of time.

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<v Speaker 2>Almost almost.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, well I don't know. I haven't been paying attention,

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<v Speaker 3>so that's kind of a nice thing. Well, Chris, lucky

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<v Speaker 3>you Chris, what did you think of Marble's Thunderbolts as

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<v Speaker 1>If you could see me right now, which you can't

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<v Speaker 1>everyone who's listening, but Father Malone and Mike. I currently

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<v Speaker 1>have my hair and corn rows because I was on

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<v Speaker 1>vacation for a week on a Disney cruise. If you

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<v Speaker 1>want a Disney cruise around the time of movie premieres,

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<v Speaker 1>you might get to see it on the boat. That is,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact what happened last week. I got to see

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<v Speaker 1>The Thunderbolts essentially ten forty five on Thursday night, the

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<v Speaker 1>night before the night before it came out, so it

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<v Speaker 1>came out Friday at twelve. I saw it essentially when

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<v Speaker 1>it premiered. There was a little even up at David

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<v Speaker 1>Harbor was like, Hey, everybody on the Disney cruise Land,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the Thunderbolts premiere.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like all right. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'll tell you, the other thing I watched on

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<v Speaker 1>the cruise line was Snow White twenty twenty five, which.

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<v Speaker 2>My god, that movie is fucking baffling.

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<v Speaker 1>That movie is an affront to a lot of things

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<v Speaker 1>remaking Snow White. Sure, but wow, lots of choices being made.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of choices being made, I got to see Thunderbolts,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said same, essentially within twenty four hours of

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<v Speaker 1>you guys getting to see it. I enjoyed it. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it has its issues, and boy, there are some

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<v Speaker 1>things where I'm like, and we're and I'm just I

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<v Speaker 1>sent my clock to it, and I'm waiting and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>waiting and I'm waiting and here's the thing. And some

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<v Speaker 1>of it it was like, all right, cool, we knew

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<v Speaker 1>it was coming. Some of it was like we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know what was coming. I guess. So Marvel did a

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<v Speaker 1>better job, in my opinion, promoting this movie than they

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<v Speaker 1>did with, say, the movie that had Red Hulk in

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<v Speaker 1>it for nine minutes. When they promoted it for like

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent of the promotional material was the Red

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<v Speaker 1>Hulk of it all. I think it's fun. I love

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<v Speaker 1>Florence Pugh, so I'm probably a little biased in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of my ability to enjoy this movie. I was already

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<v Speaker 1>and a little bit of a I don't know, you've

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<v Speaker 1>got me in the door with Florence Pugh, You've got

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<v Speaker 1>me in the door with David Harbor. So I already

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyed the most everything that they are in. So this

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna be something I was going to watch anyways.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was actually somewhat excited to watch this movie.

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<v Speaker 1>All of that to say, it has its problems. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's better than Captain America Brave New World. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I'm and that might be controversial. Father Malone and I

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<v Speaker 1>may have some back and forth. I don't know, because

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't really get to talk to Father Malone about

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<v Speaker 1>Captain America. And there will be only one more opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>this year for us to talk about Marvel things with

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<v Speaker 1>the upcoming Fantastic Four movie. So this, I feel like,

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<v Speaker 1>is a pretty big movie this year. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that if you're going into it hoping it's a big

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<v Speaker 1>movie and it lives up to what it kind of

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<v Speaker 1>is advertising itself as a Marvel Souit suicide Squad, I

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<v Speaker 1>think for the most part, it checks the boxes it

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<v Speaker 1>has its problems, but I enjoyed it, I think a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more than I've enjoyed the last Captain America movie.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've rewatched dead Pool Wolverine several times since I

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<v Speaker 1>saw it last year, and I that movie does not

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<v Speaker 1>hold up really well the next couple it's a cameo's

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<v Speaker 1>like a couple scenes is what dead Pool Wolverine is

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<v Speaker 1>for me. It's like four scenes and you pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>everything else is like just whatever we've seen this before,

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<v Speaker 1>or the addition of Wolverine made it a lesser movie.

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<v Speaker 1>So in terms of my enjoyment, I enjoyed this more

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<v Speaker 1>than the last couple Marvel things I've seen. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really curious what y'all thought, because y'all saw it in

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<v Speaker 1>like theaters, I'm assuming with lots of I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>saw with lots of people. People were reacting to this

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<v Speaker 1>movie in a way that I hadn't seen in theaters

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<v Speaker 1>in a while. People were clapping and really excited, and

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciated that more than anything else, that people were

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<v Speaker 1>like engaging with the movie, which felt, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>refreshing in a way like I actually felt like I

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<v Speaker 1>could sit in want this movie and people were sitting

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<v Speaker 1>around me and laughing and enjoying it and having a

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<v Speaker 1>good time. So maybe the bar was relatively low. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like that's part of it. So father alone, I

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<v Speaker 1>am so so curious because even looking down a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>looking down a whole lot, what did you think of

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<v Speaker 1>thunderbolts asterisk?

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<v Speaker 2>Wasted wasted opportunity? That's what I would say. This is

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<v Speaker 2>the one I was really really looking forward to from

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<v Speaker 2>the MCU, from everything that got announced in the previous phase,

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<v Speaker 2>which is this is is this phase four? Phase five?

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<v Speaker 2>Is this official? Does anyone know?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's Phase five?

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<v Speaker 1>This is Phase five. This is the first film in

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<v Speaker 1>Phase five, right, But this was technically supposed to come

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<v Speaker 1>out before Captain America Brave New World, So this was

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<v Speaker 1>actually the fo This is the fucker Room of Spider

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<v Speaker 1>Man and Doctor Strange all over again. Is really what

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<v Speaker 1>this is?

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<v Speaker 2>So this was supposed to be part of Phase four.

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<v Speaker 2>As part of Phase four, I would say this is great.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the best part of Phase four as a

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<v Speaker 2>step towards Phase five. I don't know what the fuck

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<v Speaker 2>they're doing, Like they've already proven that you can have

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<v Speaker 2>a disparate band of misfits and turn them into a

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<v Speaker 2>team and then we're gonna love them. With Guardians of

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<v Speaker 2>the Galaxy, I think Suicide Squad, both Suicide Squad movies

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<v Speaker 2>over at DC were in reaction to Guardians of the Galaxy,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think they kind of tried to replicate that tone.

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<v Speaker 2>These sort of goopy ultimately ultimately tone which Thunderbolts in

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<v Speaker 2>its conception was a group of fucking villains. Barren Zimo

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<v Speaker 2>formed the fucking Thunderbolts initially like this is their chance

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<v Speaker 2>to do the team up of the fucking serious people

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<v Speaker 2>in the MCU, And for the most part they act

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<v Speaker 2>very seriously once they sort of engage in combat, but

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<v Speaker 2>then the rest of it it's all sort of jokesterism

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<v Speaker 2>that and their none of the jokes land, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want them to be like cracking wise with each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Like John Walker is a piece of shit of a

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<v Speaker 2>human being. That's kind of what I like it, because

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately he wants to do the right thing, Like these

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<v Speaker 2>are all terrible people yearning to be better, and what

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<v Speaker 2>we get is, you know, a glad handing, slapping on

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<v Speaker 2>the back thing for like a good of this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>This movie doesn't begin until like one hour in. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>it had been like a Marvel television special where at

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<v Speaker 2>the end we get to meet the new Avengers. Well, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that makes sense to me, But like as its own

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<v Speaker 2>feature of film, it's so disjointed and weirdly paced, like

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<v Speaker 2>like we just keep we get all of the characters

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<v Speaker 2>sort of thrown in. But it's an exposition dump like and.

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<v Speaker 1>A very lazy exposition dump as well. The most like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the standoff of standoffs. It's like, I'm who are you?

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<v Speaker 1>Who are you? It was like Spider manning one another, Mike,

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<v Speaker 1>same question to you. Thoughts on Thunderbolts asterisk.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I am unfamiliar with this as a comics title

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<v Speaker 3>very much, so I have nothing to compare it against.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm not familiar with who the villain is of

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<v Speaker 3>this film. Well, I guess there are two villains. Really.

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<v Speaker 3>I am familiar with the Julie Ladrie Julia Lewis Dreyfus

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<v Speaker 2>And here's hoping they never bring her back because the

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<v Speaker 3>You mean like that old guy, the ninety year old guy.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was unfamiliar with the Thunderbolts concept. I honestly

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<v Speaker 2>from the comics that, Oh okay, because they are named

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<v Speaker 1>What it is. Yes, okay, as Father Malonda and I

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<v Speaker 1>that assessment. That is where that comes from in the comics.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, all right, is he like their team or something?

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<v Speaker 2>He yes, he's yes, exactly, And Red Hulk is part

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<v Speaker 3>He's like the lawlor and the superpowered chief of it,

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<v Speaker 1>And mind you, this is like nineteen ninety seven Marvel.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't like nineteen seventy five. Like this is right,

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<v Speaker 3>They filed for chapter. Look, I think in nineteen ninety six.

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<v Speaker 1>Like this is like this is like the Hail Mary time,

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<v Speaker 1>So, And I mean I remember starting to read comic

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<v Speaker 3>Some of it is and some of it is absolute

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But Spider but Ultimate Spider Man. Oh but Ultimate

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<v Speaker 2>That's ultimate good. It's Ultimate Spider Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I would disagree Ultimate Fantastic four. But that's only because

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<v Speaker 1>that's only because we get the Maker out of all that.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Maker is the best villain in any comic books.

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<v Speaker 1>The Maker is just evil. Read Richard's which is like horrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>this shit, I'm all big time villain. And his head

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<v Speaker 2>You aren't, well, I like, after Doomsday, aren't they going

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>So, I mean they're gonna do They're gonna do Maker

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<v Speaker 1>that quickly. Wow?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean they've been talking about secret wars for

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<v Speaker 3>over a decade. I mean they were just like, okay, well,

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<v Speaker 3>then Secret Wars Baby, here we Come Get the Beyonder.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so I think I think from I think are

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<v Speaker 1>we on the same page that maybe this movie is

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<v Speaker 1>fallom alone? Are you in the camp that this is

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<v Speaker 1>not worth seeing?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think it is worth seeing. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>a movie that has interesting disparate parts.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, and Mike, are you in the same thought.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm kind of still in my intro.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll go for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yah, I go for it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll go for it. I think we're just too excited

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about it. And that's what happens when we

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<v Speaker 3>I liked it. There we go, Hey yea, And people

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<v Speaker 3>people in my theater were not as engaged. I had

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of talkers, and I had quite a few

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<v Speaker 3>cell phones going on, to the point where I almost

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<v Speaker 3>just kept looking at his fucking phone. At least it

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<v Speaker 3>was in dark mode, so that was better than the

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<v Speaker 3>asshole next to me who is flashing his phone as

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder why movie theaters are going under Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Well said again, why did the movie theater experience not

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<v Speaker 1>change after COVID Fuck you?

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<v Speaker 3>That's why the twelve of us that were in that

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<v Speaker 3>blah blah blah make their money somehow. Oh yeah, we

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<v Speaker 3>this thing that is almost like cinerama. They are doing

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<v Speaker 3>don't know how you're doing this. I didn't walk into

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<v Speaker 3>that theater to take a look, but eventually I'll probably

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<v Speaker 3>see something in that. But yeah, I thought that this

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<v Speaker 3>was It was an interesting way of going about the storytelling.

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<v Speaker 3>The whole idea of cutting between the three stories for

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<v Speaker 3>White a while, between the Yolena story the Bucky story,

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<v Speaker 3>and then why am I blanking on Julia Louis Dreif. Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>the Fontaine and I'm dropping the duh just like fence

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<v Speaker 3>from defense, that whole thing like which that her her character.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, swap her out with gian Carlo Esposito and

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<v Speaker 3>was very very odd. I mean, especially like her talking

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<v Speaker 3>with the Bob and stuff. And yeah, the Bob character

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<v Speaker 3>was interesting. I mean it pretty They pretty much just

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<v Speaker 3>hand it to you what he is, who he is,

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<v Speaker 3>what's happening. I mean from the very beginning when Yelena

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<v Speaker 3>was going to Oscorp, so I'm super excited.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, yeah, os Corp.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, we're for no OX Group Sorry, no ox Corp.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but may I speak to the Valentina of it all?

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<v Speaker 5>Sure?

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<v Speaker 2>What a total fucking waste of Valentina as character, considering

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<v Speaker 2>we've they've had. They've been nick furying her throughout, like

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<v Speaker 2>all of the Phase three, Phase four stuff. She's just

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<v Speaker 2>been sort of in the background, showing up and grabbing

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<v Speaker 2>team members ketches can villains at that. It's been so

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<v Speaker 2>exciting watching it happen, Like the fact that this movie

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<v Speaker 2>worked together. They're all just sort of separate. Ascent she's

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<v Speaker 2>gathered them all making them all each other's own target,

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<v Speaker 2>to get them all into one room so that she

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<v Speaker 2>can incinerate them. But it's at a facility she doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>actually know what's going on, And like, why this movie

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<v Speaker 2>didn't just why this movie didn't just begin with them

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<v Speaker 2>as a team doing a mission to go take out

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<v Speaker 2>this guy Bob for her. It would have saved so

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<v Speaker 2>much time and allowed so much more of this The

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<v Speaker 2>other part of the story, the part that you're talking about, Mike,

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<v Speaker 2>where we get backstory on each of our therapies through

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<v Speaker 2>these flashbacks and these mystical flashbacks. But you know, Bob

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<v Speaker 2>can the Sentry can bring you into this never world

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<v Speaker 2>said the word.

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<v Speaker 1>He said the word. It's Spoiler's time. Baby. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>the Red Hulk at Harrison Ford. It really is, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything in this movie was spoiled. Every fucking good scene

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<v Speaker 2>in this movie was in the trailer. There were zero

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<v Speaker 2>surprises for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Olga Currilenko not making it aft out of the first

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she wasn't in any other shot. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>what the fuck, man, that's what they're doing, a task master,

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<v Speaker 2>that's how they're just going to prove that this is

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so glad I didn't pay attention to any of

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<v Speaker 3>the trailers because I knew nothing about Centry. I was like, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>here's this Bob guy. Of course he's going to be

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<v Speaker 3>this Sentry character. We get the mention of Sentry at

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<v Speaker 3>the Ox Corp stuff, and then we get the you know, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>soon as they hit that little box or whatever, I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, oh, okay, here comes like the Adam Warlock

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<v Speaker 3>of the group. All right, this makes total sense. And

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<v Speaker 3>then when he showed up and he was like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really remember anything, I was like, okay, so

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<v Speaker 3>he's like Legion then or something, so all right, he's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be very powerful at some point, and he's

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<v Speaker 3>All right, all right, I got this, and I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>they just telegraphed everything, so not even having seen the trailers,

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, okay, But I was surprised that task

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<v Speaker 3>Master died. I was very surprised by that, though. Thank

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<v Speaker 3>you Io nine for saying, we can't believe how cheap

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<v Speaker 3>it was that this character didn't make get out of

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<v Speaker 3>the first act. And I was like, okay, so one

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<v Speaker 3>out of that room that was incinerator, I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>oh she I guess she's really dead like I expected

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<v Speaker 3>her to come crawling out of the rubble.

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<v Speaker 1>No, she got shot in the head. She got head

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<v Speaker 1>shot in with blank range by Wyatt Russell of a people.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, I mean I've seen Wolverine. He takes a lot

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. Yeah, it's a bummer, like it's it doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of the things in this movie that was

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<v Speaker 1>a real problem. And look, they also revealed it when

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<v Speaker 1>they revealed the cast of Doomsday, because Olga Kirilenko was

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<v Speaker 2>Well they didn't. I didn't announce a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>for that. I mean, Chris Hampson didn't get nomin true.

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<v Speaker 1>But to be fair, that's also because the assumption is

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, Doctor Strange's all start didn't get right, park

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<v Speaker 2>Parker didn't right exactly, And it's a fucking event. Here's

423
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<v Speaker 2>the thing about stint Free, and let me say something

424
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<v Speaker 2>nice about the movie, be pride to the up on it,

425
00:22:00.440 --> 00:22:02.480
<v Speaker 2>because that's probably wouldn't get end up there in the

426
00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:09.359
<v Speaker 2>entire time. The opening scene where we get Elena somewhat suicidal,

427
00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:12.599
<v Speaker 2>like leaping off the building. And then in that first

428
00:22:12.680 --> 00:22:16.839
<v Speaker 2>mission they tackle a hallway fight scene, which we've seen

429
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<v Speaker 2>dozens of ever since Old Boy. Everyone's going to have

430
00:22:19.799 --> 00:22:21.960
<v Speaker 2>a fucking hallway fighting. But near they do it, they

431
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<v Speaker 2>give us a god point of view, so straight down,

432
00:22:24.759 --> 00:22:28.440
<v Speaker 2>but it's completely lit from only one sign to silhouette

433
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<v Speaker 2>and shadow fighting beneath them as she went her way

434
00:22:32.119 --> 00:22:35.839
<v Speaker 2>through them. And it's a great shot and it resonated

435
00:22:35.839 --> 00:22:37.680
<v Speaker 2>with me while I was watching it because of the

436
00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:40.400
<v Speaker 2>fucking trailers, because I know that century is going to

437
00:22:40.440 --> 00:22:42.680
<v Speaker 2>be floating in the air and turning people into like

438
00:22:42.759 --> 00:22:44.519
<v Speaker 2>pirosiuma like shadows on the ground.

439
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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, they ruined all that, all of that, all

440
00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:53.160
<v Speaker 3>of it. I was shocked when that first person turned

441
00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:55.839
<v Speaker 3>to that shadow. I was like, I think I was

442
00:22:55.880 --> 00:22:58.480
<v Speaker 3>in in the helicopter and then like when the little

443
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<v Speaker 3>when the I also want to call him Crimson Dynamo,

444
00:23:01.640 --> 00:23:05.519
<v Speaker 3>but David Harber character Red Protector, Red Guardian when Red

445
00:23:05.519 --> 00:23:08.359
<v Speaker 3>Guardian saves that little girl and then she gets like

446
00:23:08.839 --> 00:23:10.519
<v Speaker 3>at first I thought it was dust, you know, that

447
00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:12.960
<v Speaker 3>Theano's thing. But I was like, oh no, this is

448
00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:16.160
<v Speaker 3>even more horrific, like the shadows, and yeah, I totally

449
00:23:16.160 --> 00:23:18.960
<v Speaker 3>thought about hero shamount. I was like, oh fuck, this

450
00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:21.559
<v Speaker 3>is really bad. So I had no idea that.

451
00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:25.400
<v Speaker 2>Was going to be happening. That effect is fucking fantastic. Yeah,

452
00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:27.319
<v Speaker 2>I wish it hadn't been ruined for me. I mean,

453
00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:29.160
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter, Like, eventually you're gonna see the movie

454
00:23:29.160 --> 00:23:30.839
<v Speaker 2>and you're gonna see it again, and if it works,

455
00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:33.440
<v Speaker 2>it works. But and it does, Like it's one of

456
00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:35.640
<v Speaker 2>the best effects I've seen in a Marvel film in

457
00:23:35.680 --> 00:23:37.440
<v Speaker 2>a while, and Centri ends up being one of the

458
00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:45.720
<v Speaker 2>best villain the long genuinely genuine brand that doesn't involve

459
00:23:46.039 --> 00:23:48.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, it is the world ending, but somehow not,

460
00:23:48.759 --> 00:23:51.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it felt more personal. I guess that's

461
00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:54.160
<v Speaker 2>because they introduced them so early. But again, like I

462
00:23:54.160 --> 00:23:56.960
<v Speaker 2>don't know, the painting's a just so fucking clumsy throughout

463
00:23:57.039 --> 00:24:00.640
<v Speaker 2>that you know, by the end, we spend the most

464
00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:04.559
<v Speaker 2>time learning about Bob Flash sent at the end. Do

465
00:24:04.599 --> 00:24:08.039
<v Speaker 2>you even know anything more than what kind of came

466
00:24:08.119 --> 00:24:09.960
<v Speaker 2>in with that? A guy who woke up with like

467
00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:12.319
<v Speaker 2>we find out that he wanted to be powerful and

468
00:24:12.400 --> 00:24:17.039
<v Speaker 2>he subjected himself to this thing and now he is okay.

469
00:24:17.640 --> 00:24:20.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well and his dad beat him and he did meth.

470
00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:24.920
<v Speaker 1>So he's the first. He's the first meth powered superhero,

471
00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:27.839
<v Speaker 1>which is I mean, Marvel's got tackled for which.

472
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<v Speaker 2>Nice, that's fine, and it winks sense with these Thunderbolts,

473
00:24:31.319 --> 00:24:35.720
<v Speaker 2>who again are terrible people. Run with the terrible Please Marvel,

474
00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:37.599
<v Speaker 2>just commit This is the problem. This is why I'm

475
00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:40.839
<v Speaker 2>glad they fucking canceled Blade. Don't do Blade unless you're

476
00:24:40.839 --> 00:24:43.640
<v Speaker 2>gonna make it a horror. Don't do the dark Side

477
00:24:43.640 --> 00:24:46.240
<v Speaker 2>of Marvel unless you're going to commit to them. Because

478
00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:48.640
<v Speaker 2>what we're going to get into the hybrid thing where

479
00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:51.759
<v Speaker 2>we built we're kind of half giving us, but they

480
00:24:51.799 --> 00:24:54.480
<v Speaker 2>know that that has worked in the pan and half

481
00:24:54.519 --> 00:24:57.440
<v Speaker 2>giving us and it hampted something, so just ends up

482
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<v Speaker 2>feeling like like noth.

483
00:25:01.960 --> 00:25:04.039
<v Speaker 3>You're gonna have to get a new mixer very soon.

484
00:25:06.559 --> 00:25:13.640
<v Speaker 3>If that's what the problem is. Yeah, holy shit, Okay.

485
00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:15.200
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna have to like check it every couple of minutes,

486
00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:15.599
<v Speaker 1>is what.

487
00:25:15.519 --> 00:25:18.799
<v Speaker 2>It feels like. All right, how about now you're good. Now,

488
00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:20.440
<v Speaker 2>you're good. Now, I'm just gonna have to tap it

489
00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:23.279
<v Speaker 2>every once in a while. I'm sorry. Okay, hey, we

490
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<v Speaker 2>understand it.

491
00:25:24.200 --> 00:25:26.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, we know you're doing this on purpose, as

492
00:25:26.680 --> 00:25:29.839
<v Speaker 1>if you even could any more than anyone of us. Yeah,

493
00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:32.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's hard to do things this stupid on

494
00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:34.759
<v Speaker 1>purpose sometimes, but Marvel figured out how to do it.

495
00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:38.079
<v Speaker 1>Because to your point, Father Malone, I really am sick

496
00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:40.680
<v Speaker 1>and fucking tired of in these movies the things that

497
00:25:40.759 --> 00:25:45.400
<v Speaker 1>happen not having any sort of stakes because everything has

498
00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:49.079
<v Speaker 1>been walked back. And to the fact that thinking that

499
00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:53.759
<v Speaker 1>Scarlett Johanson might come back is a possibility is I

500
00:25:53.759 --> 00:25:56.119
<v Speaker 1>think very telling of where we are with the MCU,

501
00:25:56.720 --> 00:25:59.400
<v Speaker 1>honestly in a lot of ways, because that's like one

502
00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:03.279
<v Speaker 1>of the deaths in the MCU that again, in my mind,

503
00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:06.559
<v Speaker 1>you can't walk that one back. But yet it feels

504
00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:09.200
<v Speaker 1>like with what we're about to get next year and

505
00:26:09.279 --> 00:26:11.599
<v Speaker 1>the year after, it is going to be one of

506
00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:18.960
<v Speaker 1>the most just like masturbatory multi versus bullshit of all time,

507
00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:20.720
<v Speaker 1>which is fine if they do it, and then we

508
00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:25.359
<v Speaker 1>never see it again. Great, But there have been no

509
00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:29.960
<v Speaker 1>stakes in the MCU since Endgame, and that was like

510
00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:33.720
<v Speaker 1>almost a decade ago. It makes me want to die

511
00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:36.839
<v Speaker 1>that that Endgame came out almost a decade ago. It's

512
00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:40.599
<v Speaker 1>been like a really long time, right.

513
00:26:39.559 --> 00:26:43.640
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, long long Row to.

514
00:26:43.640 --> 00:26:46.559
<v Speaker 1>How there's no stakes in the MCU anymore. None, zero,

515
00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:48.839
<v Speaker 1>And that's because of the multi versus stuff, because now

516
00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:50.240
<v Speaker 1>you can have like any different Spider Man.

517
00:26:50.279 --> 00:26:53.240
<v Speaker 2>And again, so they shouldn't. They should be dealing.

518
00:26:53.480 --> 00:26:55.920
<v Speaker 1>Did it right? It did it right? It couldn't. It's

519
00:26:56.359 --> 00:26:59.680
<v Speaker 1>contained within itself, which is fine, like Spider Man into

520
00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:02.319
<v Speaker 1>the Spy is self contained. Like I don't think we're

521
00:27:02.319 --> 00:27:05.440
<v Speaker 1>gonna see that version of Miles Morales in Doomsday, but

522
00:27:05.519 --> 00:27:07.960
<v Speaker 1>fuck me, that probably is now going to happen just

523
00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:11.799
<v Speaker 1>because I mentioned it, because they have the ability to

524
00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:14.759
<v Speaker 1>do it. There's nothing stopping them, I guess, other than

525
00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:18.079
<v Speaker 1>a cartoon character dancing around on screen with live action people,

526
00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:21.400
<v Speaker 1>which would be weird even for the MCU, because I'm

527
00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:25.480
<v Speaker 1>assuming that the agent was it Captain Britten that we

528
00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:28.680
<v Speaker 1>saw in Doctor Strange. That's not the one from What If? Right,

529
00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:30.039
<v Speaker 1>that's another.

530
00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:31.519
<v Speaker 2>One that's not Captain Britain at all.

531
00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:35.759
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So the one in What If is then agent

532
00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:39.640
<v Speaker 1>that's car Yeah, but those are two different characters in

533
00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:43.759
<v Speaker 1>the MCU. Okay, so there's a cartoon version of that

534
00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:46.599
<v Speaker 1>character running around that's not gonna show up in Doomsday,

535
00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:51.720
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't think. Yeah, it's just a frustrating thing that

536
00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:54.200
<v Speaker 1>Marble can't seem to do anymore, is make any of

537
00:27:54.200 --> 00:27:54.759
<v Speaker 1>this stick.

538
00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:55.799
<v Speaker 2>They said.

539
00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:58.920
<v Speaker 3>They were saying that, like the whole, like the Strange

540
00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:02.640
<v Speaker 3>Supreme character is not the same one that we saw

541
00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:06.359
<v Speaker 3>in Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness. And I'm just like, no,

542
00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:08.839
<v Speaker 3>it makes total sense that that's the same character, Like

543
00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:11.920
<v Speaker 3>what why we're why are you doing that? Like, go ahead,

544
00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:14.519
<v Speaker 3>tie in What If? I'm really okay with that, Like

545
00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:17.119
<v Speaker 3>most people have watched it, and if they haven't, it's

546
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:20.599
<v Speaker 3>really okay. It's not that necessary. That's the thing too,

547
00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:22.240
<v Speaker 3>with a lot of these characters. I'm like, well, it's

548
00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:26.519
<v Speaker 3>not really even necessary that I watched The Falcon Winter Soldier,

549
00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:28.920
<v Speaker 3>Like I knew that John Walker was a piece of shit,

550
00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:32.720
<v Speaker 3>but I watched that show. But yeah, they do okay

551
00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:35.559
<v Speaker 3>with him showing up in here with the whole I'm

552
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:38.920
<v Speaker 3>watching you know, I'm watching the baby thing. But yeah,

553
00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:43.400
<v Speaker 3>he he gets redeemed way too quickly, and because the

554
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:48.400
<v Speaker 3>guy's a fucking psycho and really just should not have that,

555
00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:52.720
<v Speaker 3>you know, like a psycho. Yeah, exactly, but he shouldn't

556
00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:58.000
<v Speaker 3>have instantaneous forgiveness. You know which scene is the psychoe Just.

557
00:28:57.960 --> 00:28:59.680
<v Speaker 1>The one at the beginning of the movie where that

558
00:28:59.880 --> 00:29:01.680
<v Speaker 1>all of them in the incinerator room. The rest of

559
00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:05.000
<v Speaker 1>it's just like laughing and joking. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean,

560
00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:07.160
<v Speaker 1>isn't that. I mean, that's your that's your that's your whole,

561
00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:09.200
<v Speaker 1>that's your whole, like thesis on this movie, isn't it

562
00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:12.240
<v Speaker 1>Father Bloon? Like that's the The disparate tones of the

563
00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:15.559
<v Speaker 1>movie are like it's there's one movie and then there's

564
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:17.799
<v Speaker 1>another movie. Pretty much two thirds of the rest of

565
00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:20.920
<v Speaker 1>the movie is another movie. That first third is up

566
00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:24.880
<v Speaker 1>into the incinerator is a serious movie, I would say,

567
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:27.400
<v Speaker 1>up unto a point until they escape there, and then

568
00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:29.000
<v Speaker 1>everything else just becomes like very jokey.

569
00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:32.880
<v Speaker 2>No, I disagree. I think it's really jokey from the outset,

570
00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:34.720
<v Speaker 2>and I think that's the fucking problem.

571
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:37.640
<v Speaker 3>Like Elene is like, yeah, you're talking to the guy

572
00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:40.759
<v Speaker 3>that she has tied up and stuff and like, okay, yeah,

573
00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:43.960
<v Speaker 3>like oh I needed that face, like that whole thing.

574
00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:46.160
<v Speaker 2>And then they're like like and then they go to

575
00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:49.119
<v Speaker 2>fucking Valentina like in the Senate and like that's sort

576
00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:51.559
<v Speaker 2>of jokey too, and they be buckying. That's kind of

577
00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:54.599
<v Speaker 2>jokey too. And by the way, after how many seasons

578
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:58.880
<v Speaker 2>of V with with Julia Louis Dreyfuss playing effectively the

579
00:29:58.920 --> 00:30:01.559
<v Speaker 2>same sequences of like her on Capitol Hill being grilled

580
00:30:01.599 --> 00:30:05.480
<v Speaker 2>by senators and stuff, all that did putting those scenes

581
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:08.759
<v Speaker 2>in and having this whole impeachment fucking subplot was made

582
00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:11.720
<v Speaker 2>me think about Veep and how fucking spectacular the dialogue

583
00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:14.359
<v Speaker 2>and how leadnit here it is here, Like were they

584
00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:18.240
<v Speaker 2>expecting that, because these are like comedic people, like comedic actors,

585
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:20.880
<v Speaker 2>that they were gonna like enliven the script because they didn't.

586
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:24.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I have to assume. So that's the way

587
00:30:24.440 --> 00:30:26.799
<v Speaker 1>it came off for me as well. I mean, why

588
00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:29.359
<v Speaker 1>else cast Julia Louis Dreyfus in this role.

589
00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Here's the thing. I when they first cast her, I

590
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:35.039
<v Speaker 2>was like, really, they're going with her? And then she

591
00:30:35.240 --> 00:30:39.039
<v Speaker 2>wasn't really so so far when we've seen her, she

592
00:30:39.160 --> 00:30:42.200
<v Speaker 2>hasn't been playing funny. She's been playing rather sinister, and

593
00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:44.960
<v Speaker 2>that was exciting to me and she you know, we

594
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:47.240
<v Speaker 2>get a bit of that here and there throughout this,

595
00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:52.279
<v Speaker 2>but really it's just another like it's just another misguided

596
00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:54.519
<v Speaker 2>attempt at humor, Like everyone is just trying to be

597
00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:58.039
<v Speaker 2>a jokester. And it's inappropriate given all of the fucking

598
00:30:58.119 --> 00:31:00.519
<v Speaker 2>seriousness that we're talking about, because there's a lot to

599
00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:01.720
<v Speaker 2>be mined out of these people.

600
00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:04.880
<v Speaker 1>Well, and I was gonna say, you know, the thing

601
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:07.640
<v Speaker 1>that really makes me laugh about this movie is it

602
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:09.920
<v Speaker 1>also reminds me the most of like an a twenty

603
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:13.839
<v Speaker 1>four Marvel movie, because the centuries would have been it

604
00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:17.960
<v Speaker 1>could have been Centry is mental health, just like in Well,

605
00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:20.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think the Witch is you know, it's

606
00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:23.240
<v Speaker 1>about you know, being you know, it's about feminism. That

607
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:25.960
<v Speaker 1>movie is kind of about feminism and the intertreating. I

608
00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:28.880
<v Speaker 1>would have liked that x X's wif. Yeah, I agree,

609
00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:32.039
<v Speaker 1>X's Y movies. I don't understand why they had to

610
00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:33.319
<v Speaker 1>must the tone of.

611
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:36.119
<v Speaker 2>Halfway through this movie is when they all should have

612
00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:39.039
<v Speaker 2>gotten sucked into his brain and then they because once

613
00:31:39.079 --> 00:31:41.839
<v Speaker 2>that happens like ten minutes before the fucking movie ends.

614
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:43.599
<v Speaker 2>It comes to life. Man.

615
00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:47.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that that whole thing of them going to his brain.

616
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:52.400
<v Speaker 3>I was like the movies over already like this. I'm like, yeah,

617
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:55.440
<v Speaker 3>they should have been a whole thing after that, and yeah,

618
00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:58.200
<v Speaker 3>this should have happened way quicker. Yeah, the pacing of

619
00:31:58.240 --> 00:32:00.720
<v Speaker 3>this movie is very, very strange, and I think it

620
00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:03.359
<v Speaker 3>was hoping, Now this is gonna sound a little trite,

621
00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:08.160
<v Speaker 3>but I was actually hoping that they would have learned, like, yes,

622
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:10.920
<v Speaker 3>they all like lock arms and they walk up that

623
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:14.640
<v Speaker 3>tube and everything at the beginning, and it ultimately almost

624
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:17.559
<v Speaker 3>fails kind of thing. I was kind of hoping, like

625
00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:20.079
<v Speaker 3>just to get out of that room and they do

626
00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:22.400
<v Speaker 3>this a little bit with the whole like knocking out

627
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:25.519
<v Speaker 3>the power thing and then ghosts going through the door

628
00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:28.000
<v Speaker 3>and all that. But I was really hoping like each

629
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<v Speaker 3>person would have something to add to the situation in

630
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<v Speaker 3>order to make them realize, like, we work better as

631
00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:38.559
<v Speaker 3>a team than as a bunch of individuals age stuff. Yeah, exactly.

632
00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:38.799
<v Speaker 1>Him.

633
00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:40.519
<v Speaker 3>Bob is the only one where you're just like, well,

634
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:43.480
<v Speaker 3>this guy's useless, Like he's like the what's that guy's name?

635
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:46.079
<v Speaker 3>Kevin from the Deadpool movies, the guy with the mustache.

636
00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:48.839
<v Speaker 3>It just shows up here and there like or oh gosh,

637
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:52.359
<v Speaker 3>there feels like there's another like useless, you know, I mean,

638
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:52.920
<v Speaker 3>of course.

639
00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:57.039
<v Speaker 1>It's Deadpool literally, like the fucking cab driver in Deadpool.

640
00:32:56.680 --> 00:33:00.680
<v Speaker 3>Right exactly, yeah, Hinder, I can't yeah, oh yeah, yeah.

641
00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:02.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean I was.

642
00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:04.640
<v Speaker 3>Kind of hoping for more of that. And then even

643
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:08.440
<v Speaker 3>at towards as the movie's going, it until the it

644
00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:12.000
<v Speaker 3>isn't until the moment where they lift up that big

645
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:16.319
<v Speaker 3>stone slab that they all finally worked together, and I

646
00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:18.359
<v Speaker 3>was like, oh, okay, that's a little cheap for me,

647
00:33:18.519 --> 00:33:21.240
<v Speaker 3>where I'm just like all right, like they they're all

648
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:22.279
<v Speaker 3>you know, say.

649
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:25.160
<v Speaker 2>Felt very early two thousands, right, that felt like a

650
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Fantastic four moment.

651
00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:30.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Well, and then when they when they're fighting in

652
00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:33.960
<v Speaker 3>New York, I'm just like, is that the same bridge

653
00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:38.319
<v Speaker 3>that Captain America like yeaded Natasha onto one of the

654
00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:41.920
<v Speaker 3>Chatari vehicles? Like is this the same like we're now

655
00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:45.680
<v Speaker 3>having our Battle of New York? Like is this basically

656
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:48.720
<v Speaker 3>I mean, this is before they become the New Avengers

657
00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:50.079
<v Speaker 3>at the end of the film, And I was just

658
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:53.160
<v Speaker 3>like Okay, so are these guys basically like, is this

659
00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:56.920
<v Speaker 3>the twenty twenty five version of the Avengers? And basically

660
00:33:56.960 --> 00:34:00.440
<v Speaker 3>everything is darkness and it's all psychological. And when we

661
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:02.960
<v Speaker 3>go inside of the cloud of darkness and inside of

662
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:06.119
<v Speaker 3>his brain, that's when we you know, like, this is

663
00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:08.599
<v Speaker 3>where we're at with our country, with our mental health,

664
00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:10.840
<v Speaker 3>is that we are just engulfed in darkness and have

665
00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:13.400
<v Speaker 3>to find a way out of the darkness through friendship.

666
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:16.440
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, it sounds again, sounds like a Hallmark

667
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:18.199
<v Speaker 3>card or something, but very trite.

668
00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:19.519
<v Speaker 1>Mike, Yeah, I was.

669
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:22.719
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm with that. I'm totally with that. If they

670
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:24.719
<v Speaker 2>fucking made that the whole movie, they should have. If

671
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:26.679
<v Speaker 2>they had, if the movie had a point of view,

672
00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:28.639
<v Speaker 2>it could have worked like Gangbusters.

673
00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:31.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree. I think that's the problem. Like they

674
00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:35.320
<v Speaker 1>they almost again, like they didn't commit to the bit.

675
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:38.360
<v Speaker 1>You gotta commit to the bit you made. You made

676
00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:41.199
<v Speaker 1>were Wolf by midnight, motherfuckers. You did it in black

677
00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:43.960
<v Speaker 1>and white. I mean again, I know, Father Malone, there

678
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:48.239
<v Speaker 1>were issues with it. I know. Thumbs down, he says, nay, nay,

679
00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:52.320
<v Speaker 1>that's what the horses say. But it's better than this

680
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:54.159
<v Speaker 1>because they allowed him to commit to more of a

681
00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:56.920
<v Speaker 1>horror vibe than they let this movie commit to. Essentially

682
00:34:57.000 --> 00:34:59.719
<v Speaker 1>a horror movie vibe. Could have been a horror movie.

683
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:03.559
<v Speaker 1>He's pretty horrifying if he turns you into a Horotima shadow.

684
00:35:03.679 --> 00:35:05.519
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that's horror fy.

685
00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:08.559
<v Speaker 2>This movie should have been half Winter Soldier half fucking

686
00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Nightmare Fuel.

687
00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Like, I don't understand why they can't just go,

688
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:16.119
<v Speaker 1>we're making a genre film within a genre, Like why

689
00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:17.480
<v Speaker 1>is this so hard? Marvel?

690
00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:18.880
<v Speaker 2>What is the problem here?

691
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:19.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't get it.

692
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:24.079
<v Speaker 3>I don't get the subplot in this and the Hulk

693
00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:28.000
<v Speaker 3>Hulk movie, the Captain American movie. The whole movie features

694
00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:30.320
<v Speaker 3>the Hulk prominently. I don't get this whole thing a

695
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:32.719
<v Speaker 3>Bucky being a senator and they even say at one

696
00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:35.039
<v Speaker 3>point they're like, that's it, You're through, you know, like,

697
00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:38.679
<v Speaker 3>no no full term senator for you. I think Valentina

698
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:40.920
<v Speaker 3>says that, and I'm just like, are we done with

699
00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:43.159
<v Speaker 3>that subplot of him being a senator? How the fuck

700
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:46.039
<v Speaker 3>did that even start? Was that in Falcon and Winter Soldier?

701
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:47.920
<v Speaker 3>And I just it was they blotted it out.

702
00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:51.519
<v Speaker 1>It's how they get It's how they get Sam Wilson

703
00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:52.519
<v Speaker 1>to be Captain America.

704
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:56.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, yeah exactly, but who cares? Like have him

705
00:35:56.599 --> 00:35:58.239
<v Speaker 2>just go off and beat Bucky somewhere, you know what

706
00:35:58.280 --> 00:35:59.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean? Like this is a guy who like why

707
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:02.199
<v Speaker 2>you have to startinly jump into service. The man's been

708
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:05.519
<v Speaker 2>frozen for fucking ninety years and forced to kill his friends.

709
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:06.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't get it.

710
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:09.440
<v Speaker 3>I was really shocked that we didn't get more of

711
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:13.239
<v Speaker 3>their flashbacks. I mean, show me more that everybody is hurting,

712
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:17.559
<v Speaker 3>like I understand that. You know, we see the Olia thing. Sorry,

713
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:21.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm not well, yeah, Elena Elena stuff a few times

714
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:24.920
<v Speaker 3>and I'm like, okay, right, okay, got it. You know

715
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:27.119
<v Speaker 3>we see a little bit of the John Walker stuff.

716
00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:29.599
<v Speaker 3>All right, all right, I got it. But like I mean,

717
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:33.039
<v Speaker 3>as as Natasha would say, Buck, he's got a lot

718
00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:34.960
<v Speaker 3>of red in his ledger and like all of these

719
00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:37.880
<v Speaker 3>people basically have read in their ledger. And I'm just like, yeah,

720
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:38.440
<v Speaker 3>show me.

721
00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:42.559
<v Speaker 5>Well he killed Bucky, killed fucking Iron Man's parents exactly

722
00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:47.119
<v Speaker 5>exactly in this in this MCU, in this sacred timeline,

723
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:49.559
<v Speaker 5>has this movie would love killing whoa?

724
00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:51.199
<v Speaker 1>I can't wait? Huh?

725
00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:54.599
<v Speaker 3>I mean, gosh, like the Red Guardian, Like, tell me

726
00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:56.719
<v Speaker 3>some of the bad shit that the Soviets made this

727
00:36:56.760 --> 00:36:57.119
<v Speaker 3>guy do.

728
00:36:57.800 --> 00:37:00.840
<v Speaker 2>This movie should have been so fucking sin It should

729
00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:02.960
<v Speaker 2>have been like you should have been like paralyzed by

730
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:05.400
<v Speaker 2>the end, like you know what, the twight ending you're

731
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:08.920
<v Speaker 2>describing would have worked like a fucking Spielberg movie if

732
00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:12.119
<v Speaker 2>we had waded through all of these people's terrible psyches,

733
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:16.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, reminded remembering all the horrible shit they've done.

734
00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:21.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I mean, even like with ghosts. It's like,

735
00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:24.159
<v Speaker 3>I mean, to be honest, it's been a long time

736
00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:28.840
<v Speaker 3>since the ant Man Wasp movie, long enough that I

737
00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:31.960
<v Speaker 3>have pretty much forgotten it other than that Walton Doggins

738
00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:34.679
<v Speaker 3>is in it, so oh yeah, feel free to refresh

739
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:36.039
<v Speaker 3>me on her please.

740
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:39.199
<v Speaker 1>She she's in a suit that essentially like she like

741
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:41.880
<v Speaker 1>is constantly dematerializing.

742
00:37:41.239 --> 00:37:43.199
<v Speaker 3>Right, and I remember the whole thing that's like the

743
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:43.719
<v Speaker 3>one thing.

744
00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:48.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And she's Laurence Fishburn's daughter or like surrogate daughter, I.

745
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:50.960
<v Speaker 3>Think, right, And she's in a tremendous amount of pain,

746
00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:54.320
<v Speaker 3>and then they had that's how they quantum realm, right,

747
00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:56.280
<v Speaker 3>she's quantum phasing at all times.

748
00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:58.760
<v Speaker 2>The suit helps focus her and keep her an hour around.

749
00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:00.800
<v Speaker 2>But then she can phase in an out based right,

750
00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:01.599
<v Speaker 2>And you.

751
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:03.840
<v Speaker 3>Know what, I would have been okay with the flashback

752
00:38:03.880 --> 00:38:06.559
<v Speaker 3>of some sort to just like connect me with that character,

753
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:09.679
<v Speaker 3>because I think, again, she could have been a delightful character,

754
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:12.360
<v Speaker 3>but I got nothing from her.

755
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:14.880
<v Speaker 2>You know. And that's one of those characters where she

756
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:18.599
<v Speaker 2>is so fucking powerful that it kind of boggles the mind.

757
00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:21.320
<v Speaker 2>Like a fight scene with her and any regular human

758
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:24.119
<v Speaker 2>is over in two seconds. She can just phase out

759
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:26.400
<v Speaker 2>and phase inside you and pull out your heart like

760
00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:28.880
<v Speaker 2>it's done. Like even when she goes up against Sentry

761
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:31.639
<v Speaker 2>by the end, I'm like, this could be really interesting

762
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:33.559
<v Speaker 2>if they actually thought it through instead of just this

763
00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:35.920
<v Speaker 2>magic trick of her appearing and disappearing.

764
00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:38.239
<v Speaker 1>But they always do the other thing too with her character,

765
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:40.320
<v Speaker 1>where they had to have a way to explain why

766
00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:43.320
<v Speaker 1>she can't be as powerful as the character actually is,

767
00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:47.199
<v Speaker 1>which are those like sonic imped things that like when

768
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:49.400
<v Speaker 1>she runs up to him and like shocks her backwards.

769
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:51.679
<v Speaker 1>That's the other It's like the you know, how do

770
00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:54.440
<v Speaker 1>they smoke in space? I don't know, invent the oxygen

771
00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:58.360
<v Speaker 1>a smoker thing, Like it's it's that bullshit, Like how

772
00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:01.079
<v Speaker 1>do we recap the character immediately by having a magical

773
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:04.599
<v Speaker 1>thing that they can't get through, and it's just for

774
00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:07.480
<v Speaker 1>that character, because that character. Yeah, exactly. Again, they never

775
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:10.119
<v Speaker 1>explained why ant Man couldn't just go into Thanos' soul

776
00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:13.400
<v Speaker 1>and expand and kill him. They never explained that. I

777
00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:16.519
<v Speaker 1>mean again, the Internet asked the question, they never explained it.

778
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:18.719
<v Speaker 1>And this is essentially the same thing, like she could

779
00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:20.119
<v Speaker 1>just go whooo when you're dead?

780
00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:24.679
<v Speaker 2>Why doesn't Marvel? Why doesn't Marvel employ a serious nerd

781
00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:27.840
<v Speaker 2>to read the scripts and ask these questions, you know,

782
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:29.679
<v Speaker 2>and then they can decide whether or not, like is

783
00:39:29.719 --> 00:39:32.079
<v Speaker 2>this serious enough for us to answer? But sometimes, like

784
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:35.800
<v Speaker 2>with ghosts and her powers, kind of kind of need it,

785
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:39.519
<v Speaker 2>Like shouldn't there shouldn't Valentina have some sort of thing

786
00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:43.519
<v Speaker 2>to back her up. There's a moment where she's controlling

787
00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:45.039
<v Speaker 2>Centric and it's like, wait, why do I have to

788
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:47.519
<v Speaker 2>listen to you? And I'm like, yeah, dummy, why does

789
00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:51.679
<v Speaker 2>he have to listen to you? You've got nothing on him? Yeaheah.

790
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:56.960
<v Speaker 3>Century I mean, he's an interesting character. I can't say

791
00:39:56.960 --> 00:40:01.039
<v Speaker 3>that I'm familiar with Lewis Pullman. He reminds, I mean,

792
00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:03.880
<v Speaker 3>other than being Bill's son. He reminds me a lot

793
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:06.559
<v Speaker 3>of Jake Webber. Do you guys remember Jake Weber?

794
00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:09.440
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, I think he's I think he's a more interesting

795
00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:10.119
<v Speaker 2>Jake Weber.

796
00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:12.760
<v Speaker 1>I liked Lewis Pulman a lot. Actually, I see a

797
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:15.159
<v Speaker 1>lot of his dad in his performance. And he plays

798
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:18.480
<v Speaker 1>he plays Sad Sack really well, which for me, like

799
00:40:18.519 --> 00:40:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Bill Pullman's always had like a little like said Sack

800
00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:26.039
<v Speaker 1>edge to him, with those like puppy dog guys, and yeah,

801
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:28.360
<v Speaker 1>Louis Pullman has those puppy dog guys. I mean, Los

802
00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Pullman's a good looking guy too, like put a cowboy

803
00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:33.800
<v Speaker 1>hat on him and like he could be convincingly old

804
00:40:33.800 --> 00:40:36.360
<v Speaker 1>Western cowboy too, just like I mean, because there was

805
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:38.360
<v Speaker 1>what there was a Bill Pullman like cowboy movie that

806
00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:39.360
<v Speaker 1>came out a couple of years ago.

807
00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:42.280
<v Speaker 2>Like he was on that show with johsh Brolin. He

808
00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:44.360
<v Speaker 2>was Josh Brolin's son and out of range. Yeah, but

809
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:46.079
<v Speaker 2>he was a cowboy and then he was great at that.

810
00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:48.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So I mean, I you know, I think, honestly,

811
00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:51.400
<v Speaker 1>it's probably just they underutilized him because that scene between

812
00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:55.800
<v Speaker 1>him and Julia Louis Dreyfuss is pretty scary where he's like, uh, yeah,

813
00:40:56.440 --> 00:40:57.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't really need to listen to you.

814
00:40:57.880 --> 00:40:59.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I liked that a lot.

815
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:03.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's pretty scary. I mean again, he's Superman. Oh yeah,

816
00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Well what's the movie he doesn't do is it doesn't

817
00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:08.519
<v Speaker 1>make it clear how he's not. It doesn't feel like

818
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:09.480
<v Speaker 1>he's enough of a threat.

819
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:11.400
<v Speaker 3>He's because he's Superman.

820
00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:14.440
<v Speaker 1>These guys kill him. That's that's that's in my opinion.

821
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:16.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, no, he kills himself. That's fine. Like the resolution

822
00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:18.800
<v Speaker 2>in the film is okay by me. If you're going

823
00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:20.960
<v Speaker 2>to figure out a way to sort of defeat Superman,

824
00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:23.719
<v Speaker 2>the best way is to have to Superman defeat himself.

825
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:25.840
<v Speaker 2>So I actually thought that was kind of clever. But

826
00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:29.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, for me, he's not Superman. He's Homelander.

827
00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:33.719
<v Speaker 3>You know he is so I mean, Homelander is one

828
00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:38.800
<v Speaker 3>of the scariest superhero slash super villains ever for me. Anyway,

829
00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:41.880
<v Speaker 3>Like watching the Boys and there's just there's nothing that

830
00:41:41.880 --> 00:41:44.079
<v Speaker 3>can stop them, you know, they they've been trying for

831
00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:47.760
<v Speaker 3>three seasons now and they haven't done anything, and then

832
00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:51.400
<v Speaker 3>just the whole like jingoistic thing. Like I was actually

833
00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:55.239
<v Speaker 3>kind of hoping that maybe we would see more of

834
00:41:55.840 --> 00:42:00.000
<v Speaker 3>century before he realizes I don't have to listen to you,

835
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:03.280
<v Speaker 3>like if that again just felt very very rush like. Okay,

836
00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:06.519
<v Speaker 3>here's the revelation of him in the costume. All the

837
00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:09.679
<v Speaker 3>people are there, they attack them. That doesn't work, and

838
00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:12.320
<v Speaker 3>then immediately into that, why should I listen to you

839
00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:12.639
<v Speaker 3>at all?

840
00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:13.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm a god? You know?

841
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:15.679
<v Speaker 3>Oh you're using that g W Well, you said I'm

842
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:18.559
<v Speaker 3>more powerful of the Avengers. They have a god here

843
00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:21.719
<v Speaker 3>I am, and that they're having that discussion in that

844
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:26.679
<v Speaker 3>same room where Robert Downey Junior famously gives his whole

845
00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:29.360
<v Speaker 3>like and we have a hulk like that whole thing

846
00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:33.360
<v Speaker 3>in the Avengers, the original Avengers. Throw me a bone here,

847
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:37.960
<v Speaker 3>give me something, give me the exact same angle or something,

848
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:40.639
<v Speaker 3>or even give me somebody who tries to come up

849
00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:42.880
<v Speaker 3>on Sentry and try to call him a puny god

850
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:46.000
<v Speaker 3>or something. Just give me a a give me a

851
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:48.239
<v Speaker 3>little bit of Avengers in there, because I was so

852
00:42:48.320 --> 00:42:50.320
<v Speaker 3>thrilled just to be back in Avengers Tower.

853
00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:52.960
<v Speaker 1>This should have been dark of This should have been

854
00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:55.480
<v Speaker 1>dark Avengers, not new Avengers.

855
00:42:55.559 --> 00:42:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Well they're different, they're a whole different.

856
00:42:57.239 --> 00:42:59.679
<v Speaker 1>Well I know, but that but that's my point. I

857
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:02.000
<v Speaker 1>mean and like, if you had gone the direction that

858
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:04.719
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about with this movie, you could have gotten

859
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:07.519
<v Speaker 1>away with calling the stark Avengers, is my point, as

860
00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:10.440
<v Speaker 1>opposed to New Avengers, which the tone doesn't match this

861
00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:13.079
<v Speaker 1>movie at all. Because to Mike's point, just now, why

862
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:15.920
<v Speaker 1>set this in Avengers Tower if you're not gonna do

863
00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:19.280
<v Speaker 1>any of those things? It's been such a long time

864
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:21.519
<v Speaker 1>since the original Avengers came out, since a movie with

865
00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:24.719
<v Speaker 1>the title just Avengers came out that was like two

866
00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:31.159
<v Speaker 1>thousand and fucking twelve. That's a long like twelve eleven

867
00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:31.840
<v Speaker 1>like something like that.

868
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:36.119
<v Speaker 3>Twenty nineteen was no. When was the originale the original?

869
00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:38.679
<v Speaker 1>When did the original? Because that's what this movie twelve.

870
00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:42.519
<v Speaker 1>It's been a long time since the original Avengers. And

871
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:44.800
<v Speaker 1>if this is the movie that is trying to ape

872
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:48.840
<v Speaker 1>movie with a climax similar and a threat similar and

873
00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:52.199
<v Speaker 1>having a team, you don't understand, why not go further?

874
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:55.079
<v Speaker 1>What the fuck? What's stopping you? You literally set the

875
00:43:55.079 --> 00:43:58.559
<v Speaker 1>movie in Avengers Tower. Why fucking waste? It's just mind

876
00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:01.960
<v Speaker 1>boggling some of the decisions that were made. And it's

877
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:03.400
<v Speaker 1>like you go all the way up to the edge

878
00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:06.000
<v Speaker 1>and then you just don't commit to the bit like

879
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:08.360
<v Speaker 1>you even you have an asterisk in the title. I

880
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:10.159
<v Speaker 1>don't even get it, like you did the fucking time

881
00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:11.920
<v Speaker 1>you ever went all the way with the title too,

882
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:14.239
<v Speaker 1>all the way to the the end of the movie.

883
00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:16.519
<v Speaker 1>We don't see it until the end of the goddamn movie,

884
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:19.199
<v Speaker 1>and you you couldn't. It's bits. I don't get it.

885
00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:21.719
<v Speaker 3>They didn't make that very clear at all. But that

886
00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:25.000
<v Speaker 3>asterisk was supposed to be like, no, it's the New Avengers,

887
00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:27.519
<v Speaker 3>or like I guess on the poster it says the

888
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:29.679
<v Speaker 3>Avengers were not available, right.

889
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:31.480
<v Speaker 2>I have no problem with an asterisk and then them

890
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:36.800
<v Speaker 2>filling the title in later. It's just that to everyone's

891
00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:39.880
<v Speaker 2>point here, this movie begins one hour into it. If

892
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:42.559
<v Speaker 2>everything had started with them on their first mission in

893
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:45.000
<v Speaker 2>the first twenty minutes finding this guy Bob, and then

894
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:47.239
<v Speaker 2>Bob in the twenty minute Marc is, hey, guys, guess

895
00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:50.079
<v Speaker 2>what I'm actually fucking sentry and here we go, then

896
00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:52.440
<v Speaker 2>we would have had time for all of this, including

897
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:54.960
<v Speaker 2>a recreation of the Battle of New York with the

898
00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:56.760
<v Speaker 2>New Avengers and how they have to deal with it.

899
00:44:56.760 --> 00:44:58.800
<v Speaker 2>It could have been fucking great. And you know what,

900
00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:03.480
<v Speaker 2>at one point Valentina is pouring a fucking drink just

901
00:45:03.519 --> 00:45:06.920
<v Speaker 2>like Tony Stark was doing. Like, but what's great is

902
00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:08.719
<v Speaker 2>she's like, you know, you know, he's gonna be the

903
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:10.760
<v Speaker 2>Mighty's heroes. You know, you guys, blah blah blah, I

904
00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:13.199
<v Speaker 2>don't care. And I was like, that was the time

905
00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:16.000
<v Speaker 2>to recreate the shot from Avengers, right, but like her

906
00:45:16.280 --> 00:45:18.119
<v Speaker 2>insistance that she doesn't actually give a shit about any

907
00:45:18.119 --> 00:45:19.119
<v Speaker 2>of this, and we.

908
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:22.360
<v Speaker 1>Have we have Robert Downey Junior coming back. We all

909
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:25.559
<v Speaker 1>know this if anyone has seen anything, So like, why

910
00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:29.360
<v Speaker 1>not start skewing the angle of the original Avengers because

911
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:31.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm just going out on a limb here and going

912
00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:34.559
<v Speaker 1>to assume that whatever Doctor Doom is is going to

913
00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:37.119
<v Speaker 1>have some reflection of Tony start baked in.

914
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:40.920
<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean from them saying that the Fantastic Four

915
00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:45.119
<v Speaker 3>ship at the end is an interdimensional thing. I'm like, okay,

916
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:50.760
<v Speaker 3>so does that mean now that so Doctor Doom is

917
00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:54.400
<v Speaker 3>probably an interdimensional thing. He's probably following them from that dimension.

918
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:57.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm wondering if they were coming from that dimension because

919
00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:00.360
<v Speaker 3>maybe Galactus actually wins that Oh yeah.

920
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:04.360
<v Speaker 1>They failed. The movie is that they lose in the.

921
00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:09.320
<v Speaker 2>End, Galactus wins, Silver Surfer dies, that's what's going to happen.

922
00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:12.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they spoiled the movie already, Like I hate it.

923
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:15.679
<v Speaker 1>I hate it so much. It makes me so upsetent

924
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:19.239
<v Speaker 1>because like you you you should have released the Fantastic

925
00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:22.199
<v Speaker 1>for a movie before this goddamn movie because you have

926
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:26.719
<v Speaker 1>spoiled the movie. And whatever Robert Downey Junior is, however

927
00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:31.280
<v Speaker 1>he factors into all of this if he's Tony Stark

928
00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:34.960
<v Speaker 1>from their universe, which is probably what it's going to be,

929
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:37.920
<v Speaker 1>which is I guess, because they're gonna have a hard

930
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:40.039
<v Speaker 1>time not spoiling it and whatever the last trailer is

931
00:46:40.039 --> 00:46:42.480
<v Speaker 1>that comes out for the Fantastic Four movie, They're gonna

932
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:44.840
<v Speaker 1>have a hard time not spoiling whatever Robert Downey Junr.

933
00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Is doing in the post credit scene. But a really

934
00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:53.039
<v Speaker 1>am bummed out by the way that they did the

935
00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:55.360
<v Speaker 1>Fantastic Four thing in this movie because it is so

936
00:46:56.440 --> 00:46:59.960
<v Speaker 1>ham fisted, like in a way that makes me win

937
00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:02.599
<v Speaker 1>for the days of Sam Jackson just being like I'm

938
00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:03.760
<v Speaker 1>putting together a team.

939
00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:07.239
<v Speaker 3>Well, in that end credit sequence for Iron Man and

940
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:10.519
<v Speaker 3>for a lot of those very quick this credit end

941
00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:15.199
<v Speaker 3>credit scene with them, oh my god, Well, Sam Wilson,

942
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:16.840
<v Speaker 3>these trying and to form the Avengers.

943
00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:17.599
<v Speaker 2>What are we gonna do?

944
00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:20.239
<v Speaker 3>Oh this whole copyright. Oh look at this outfit, you know,

945
00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:22.280
<v Speaker 3>like all of these things going on.

946
00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:24.679
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, okay, trying with Bob again.

947
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:27.320
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, the only thing I really liked about it

948
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:31.679
<v Speaker 3>was Bucky kind of giving her some advice as far

949
00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:33.679
<v Speaker 3>as like, hey, you're you know you're gonna need to

950
00:47:33.679 --> 00:47:35.760
<v Speaker 3>call for this, and you know you should, you should

951
00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:37.760
<v Speaker 3>ask for this thing from the computer and stuff. I

952
00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:41.039
<v Speaker 3>was like, oh, okay, that's kind of nice, because, I mean,

953
00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:43.679
<v Speaker 3>for as much as he's in this movie, I feel

954
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:45.480
<v Speaker 3>like Bucky gets short shrift. I feel like a lot

955
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:48.719
<v Speaker 3>of people give short shrift. And it's like it's not

956
00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:51.519
<v Speaker 3>that there's too many characters. It's a good amount. I

957
00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:55.000
<v Speaker 3>mean there's the same, if not fewer characters than there

958
00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:57.039
<v Speaker 3>are in The Avengers. But I sure get a lot

959
00:47:57.400 --> 00:48:00.880
<v Speaker 3>more feel for those Avengers. And you talk about how

960
00:48:01.559 --> 00:48:04.199
<v Speaker 3>them fighting and everything, I'm just like, oh, yeah, just

961
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:06.480
<v Speaker 3>like the Avengers are fighting at the beginning of The

962
00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:11.599
<v Speaker 3>Avengers and that whole wasted fight of Captain America and

963
00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:16.480
<v Speaker 3>Iron Man and Thor going at it kind of things. Yeah, Well, no,

964
00:48:16.519 --> 00:48:20.719
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying top of the ship.

965
00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:25.119
<v Speaker 1>Yes, but the thing in the forest starts on a

966
00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:28.480
<v Speaker 1>ship and then it goes into the forest because Thor

967
00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:31.599
<v Speaker 1>is intercepting. I watched the original Avengers for this.

968
00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:34.519
<v Speaker 3>Okay, either you're talking about the ship as in like.

969
00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:39.280
<v Speaker 2>The versus the Quinn chat is what we're just thank you?

970
00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:43.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, but that fight, like that fight is better

971
00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:44.280
<v Speaker 1>than anything in this movie.

972
00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:47.159
<v Speaker 3>They they don't like each other, they can't work as

973
00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:50.199
<v Speaker 3>a team. It takes that sacrifice of Phil Coulson or

974
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:54.760
<v Speaker 3>like basically his sacrifice slash the lie of the the

975
00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:58.880
<v Speaker 3>the Collector's cards and stuff, in order to bring them together.

976
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:03.280
<v Speaker 3>And it's like, okay, like Loki is the one who's

977
00:49:03.280 --> 00:49:06.280
<v Speaker 3>basically pulling the strings and like you know, seating this

978
00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:12.199
<v Speaker 3>descent and everything. You know, like maybe Elena the Valentina

979
00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:15.360
<v Speaker 3>character could have been doing that, but no, yeah, no

980
00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:15.800
<v Speaker 3>she's not.

981
00:49:16.239 --> 00:49:19.960
<v Speaker 2>That's the thing. They ultimately make her character completely fucking

982
00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:24.760
<v Speaker 2>like powerless in this thing where she doesn't know about Bob.

983
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:27.760
<v Speaker 2>She sends all of these she sends all of this

984
00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:30.840
<v Speaker 2>team of fucking badass assassins in to kill each other,

985
00:49:31.239 --> 00:49:34.599
<v Speaker 2>not even considering that they might decide that they want

986
00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:36.599
<v Speaker 2>to live more than that, and that they would come

987
00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:39.360
<v Speaker 2>and get her, Like she shows up with a whole

988
00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:42.599
<v Speaker 2>other Like why once they figure out that they're they've

989
00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:45.519
<v Speaker 2>turned against her, can't she just nuke that fucking facility

990
00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:46.960
<v Speaker 2>that they're in. Why do they show up with a

991
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:50.280
<v Speaker 2>team of people? Like she just bumbles her way through

992
00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:52.519
<v Speaker 2>the movie. She's like the anti Nick Fury, and I

993
00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:55.480
<v Speaker 2>thought she was going to be the even more efficient

994
00:49:55.599 --> 00:49:59.119
<v Speaker 2>Nick Fury. Like as slippery as Nick Fury's moral compass

995
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:02.000
<v Speaker 2>can be, Valentina has none. She's the head of the

996
00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:07.360
<v Speaker 2>fucking serpent society. At some point her she's kind of reveling.

997
00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:09.719
<v Speaker 1>She revels in it, and the movie makes note of it,

998
00:50:09.800 --> 00:50:11.159
<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't go far enough.

999
00:50:11.719 --> 00:50:14.639
<v Speaker 2>It's this weird they make her inept with all of

1000
00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:15.480
<v Speaker 2>these fuck ups.

1001
00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:19.559
<v Speaker 1>What's and what is ultimately? What tone does that serve

1002
00:50:19.639 --> 00:50:24.079
<v Speaker 1>by not having a villain that's actually a threat? Cause again,

1003
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:25.960
<v Speaker 1>like they take it almost all the way with Bob

1004
00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:28.480
<v Speaker 1>and then they walk it back right at the end, Like.

1005
00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:32.639
<v Speaker 2>This is a movie in search of a plot. It

1006
00:50:32.679 --> 00:50:34.119
<v Speaker 2>has no story at all going on.

1007
00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Do they not think that the audience can take a

1008
00:50:36.039 --> 00:50:40.320
<v Speaker 1>serious movie like I don't understand like endgame Tony Stark

1009
00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:42.920
<v Speaker 1>died an endgame like Iron Man died, and people and

1010
00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:46.559
<v Speaker 1>they're not walking that back I hope. I mean they're walking.

1011
00:50:46.599 --> 00:50:49.079
<v Speaker 1>I mean they are walking it back sort of, if

1012
00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:51.679
<v Speaker 1>you want to say, in as much as recasting Robert

1013
00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:54.519
<v Speaker 1>Downey Junior in your franchise as a different character who's

1014
00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:56.840
<v Speaker 1>essentially the inverse of the character he already played as

1015
00:50:56.840 --> 00:50:59.440
<v Speaker 1>a cop out, which it kind of is. But at

1016
00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:02.559
<v Speaker 1>the same time time, I mean, if anybody's gonna do it,

1017
00:51:02.599 --> 00:51:05.440
<v Speaker 1>and the prices are down because times are hard and

1018
00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:08.280
<v Speaker 1>you need something to move the needle. Did that moved

1019
00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:12.039
<v Speaker 1>the needle. It did even if none of us liked it,

1020
00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:13.840
<v Speaker 1>even if none of us agreed with it, it moved

1021
00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:17.360
<v Speaker 1>the needle for some people. It got some people eminently

1022
00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:20.559
<v Speaker 1>reinterested into all of this, because people, because Robert Downey

1023
00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:22.440
<v Speaker 1>Junior is a name that matters to people.

1024
00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:28.519
<v Speaker 3>I have a lot of little points about this movie. Obviously,

1025
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:31.239
<v Speaker 3>I think the pacing is pretty bad, but I actually

1026
00:51:31.880 --> 00:51:33.480
<v Speaker 3>I liked it. I had a fun time at the

1027
00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:36.159
<v Speaker 3>movies today seeing it, And the last thing that I

1028
00:51:36.159 --> 00:51:39.360
<v Speaker 3>saw at the movies was fucking Captain America. For and

1029
00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:44.320
<v Speaker 3>it's like, there's just been nothing interesting me between the

1030
00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:47.239
<v Speaker 3>last Marvel movie in this Marvel movie. And I'm sure

1031
00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:50.119
<v Speaker 3>listeners will be like, what the fuck, there's so many

1032
00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:52.280
<v Speaker 3>great things, but it's like, yeah, but to get my

1033
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:55.480
<v Speaker 3>ass off of the couch and into the movie theater. Yeah,

1034
00:51:55.519 --> 00:51:57.679
<v Speaker 3>most of the time, I'm just like, yeah, wafore. I mean,

1035
00:51:57.920 --> 00:51:59.800
<v Speaker 3>Mickey seventeen, I was getting ready to watch that, and

1036
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:01.679
<v Speaker 3>it's like, oh, yeah, this is gonna be out, you know,

1037
00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:05.000
<v Speaker 3>streaming within like four days. I'm like, oh, oh, okay, Well,

1038
00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:06.840
<v Speaker 3>I guess.

1039
00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:08.320
<v Speaker 1>You don't watch new stuff, Mike. It's that you don't

1040
00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:10.679
<v Speaker 1>go to the theaters to watch new stuff. That's more

1041
00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:11.719
<v Speaker 1>of the point exactly.

1042
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:13.480
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of more of a wait and see most

1043
00:52:13.480 --> 00:52:14.280
<v Speaker 3>of the time.

1044
00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:16.519
<v Speaker 1>Which I mean, like I don't even understand why anyone

1045
00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:18.400
<v Speaker 1>could take issue with that, Like have you been to

1046
00:52:18.400 --> 00:52:20.079
<v Speaker 1>see a fucking movie? I saw a movie on a

1047
00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:22.840
<v Speaker 1>boat for free, Like you know, I can't, in good

1048
00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:25.760
<v Speaker 1>consciously like go see this movie. Like because again I'm

1049
00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:28.639
<v Speaker 1>advocating someone go and drop like thirty dollars for a ticket,

1050
00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:30.039
<v Speaker 1>which is what it feels like in this day and

1051
00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:31.880
<v Speaker 1>age to go see a goddamn movie in a shitty

1052
00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:33.880
<v Speaker 1>experience with a shitty audience.

1053
00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:36.599
<v Speaker 2>I will I don't invite everyone to go spend their

1054
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:39.039
<v Speaker 2>money on Sinners, which is still in theaters and still

1055
00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:40.239
<v Speaker 2>at the number one at the box office.

1056
00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:41.480
<v Speaker 3>Fucking movie.

1057
00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:42.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeahs fucking great.

1058
00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:46.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that one you want the theatrical experience, because

1059
00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:49.760
<v Speaker 3>I watched that little Ryan Coogler video where he's just like, hey, man,

1060
00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:51.960
<v Speaker 3>I shot this in this format and you can see

1061
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:54.599
<v Speaker 3>it here and you can see it. And I'm like, yes, please,

1062
00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:57.039
<v Speaker 3>that sounds great, and I'm hearing nothing but great things

1063
00:52:57.039 --> 00:52:59.639
<v Speaker 3>about it. And again I'm just like, all right, why

1064
00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:01.960
<v Speaker 3>amn't I gone to see that yet? And I don't

1065
00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:02.440
<v Speaker 3>know why I have.

1066
00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:06.559
<v Speaker 1>And Ryan Kugler is a director that Marvel has worked

1067
00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:10.880
<v Speaker 1>with and have and have me kept constantly by not

1068
00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:14.079
<v Speaker 1>allowing him to do movies like Sinners, which I like

1069
00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:16.599
<v Speaker 1>Father Malone has had ever heard nothing but good things

1070
00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:16.960
<v Speaker 1>about it.

1071
00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:20.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, Black Panther was good, and yeah, but Wakanda Forever,

1072
00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:25.159
<v Speaker 2>Believe me, Wakanda Forever is a fucking great movie, considering

1073
00:53:25.639 --> 00:53:28.679
<v Speaker 2>if you if what they had, what he had to

1074
00:53:28.719 --> 00:53:30.760
<v Speaker 2>do in the wake of all of that, with a

1075
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:32.880
<v Speaker 2>deadline and then pushing him and trying to make him

1076
00:53:32.920 --> 00:53:35.239
<v Speaker 2>put all these new characters and shit like that was

1077
00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:38.239
<v Speaker 2>a herculean effort. The fact that movie is watchable at

1078
00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:42.679
<v Speaker 2>all is a fucking triumph. If it is watchable, it's fairly.

1079
00:53:42.920 --> 00:53:44.840
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, though, but I don't. That's what

1080
00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:45.119
<v Speaker 1>they did.

1081
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:45.679
<v Speaker 2>Back to it.

1082
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:48.079
<v Speaker 1>They didn't let Ryan Kugler make the movie he wanted to.

1083
00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:50.360
<v Speaker 1>He had to essentially make what felt like Age of

1084
00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Old Trot.

1085
00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but like what what movie did he want to make?

1086
00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:56.519
<v Speaker 2>He wanted to make a movie with fucking with Chadwick

1087
00:53:56.599 --> 00:53:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Boseman as Black Panther. Like that's not Marvel's fault, like

1088
00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:02.559
<v Speaker 2>he they should have taken a few years off and

1089
00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:05.840
<v Speaker 2>let him like consider his feelings and written a new

1090
00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:08.079
<v Speaker 2>Black Panther movie instead of just putting it into the

1091
00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:10.400
<v Speaker 2>pipeline and like jamming it out there, because that one

1092
00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:11.559
<v Speaker 2>should have been more special.

1093
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:13.599
<v Speaker 1>That's yeah, And that's what And as I say, like,

1094
00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:17.599
<v Speaker 1>they didn't Marvel just and this has kind of always

1095
00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:19.800
<v Speaker 1>been the thing, Like I go back to and again,

1096
00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:22.960
<v Speaker 1>I know, because again we're just having a broad Marvel conversation.

1097
00:54:23.360 --> 00:54:26.360
<v Speaker 1>I go back to Captain America, Joe Johnston, who directed

1098
00:54:26.719 --> 00:54:29.599
<v Speaker 1>The Rocketeer, one of my favorite movies. Like, I'm always

1099
00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:32.920
<v Speaker 1>disappointed that that movie isn't more like The Rocketeer than

1100
00:54:34.119 --> 00:54:36.519
<v Speaker 1>than it is, and it doesn't have that tone and

1101
00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:39.559
<v Speaker 1>fun tone because it feels like, again, it was kind

1102
00:54:39.559 --> 00:54:42.440
<v Speaker 1>of serving corporate divesters in a way. And that's fine,

1103
00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:46.760
<v Speaker 1>but like Marvel has never been able to get I know,

1104
00:54:47.239 --> 00:54:49.480
<v Speaker 1>but again, like it's shades of it, like it shouldn't be.

1105
00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:51.199
<v Speaker 2>You know what, I don't think Captain America should be

1106
00:54:51.239 --> 00:54:53.039
<v Speaker 2>anything like The Rocketeer. I think Captain Americ should be

1107
00:54:53.079 --> 00:54:55.960
<v Speaker 2>like Captain America. I think Joe Johnston like hit the

1108
00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:58.880
<v Speaker 2>tone correctly. I think that script failed him. I think

1109
00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:01.400
<v Speaker 2>we didn't get enough of ca in America being Captain

1110
00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:03.920
<v Speaker 2>America for a long stretch of the movie because they

1111
00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:06.519
<v Speaker 2>were worried about run time. They are no longer worried

1112
00:55:06.519 --> 00:55:09.000
<v Speaker 2>about run time. I wish they had I wish they

1113
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:13.079
<v Speaker 2>had the thunderbolts, fucking asterisk ethos on Captain America First Avenger.

1114
00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:16.280
<v Speaker 2>But it's not because like that movie is often anyway,

1115
00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:19.400
<v Speaker 2>it's just that it's hamstrung a little bit by that script.

1116
00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:23.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it definitely, and you know, what again. I was

1117
00:55:23.480 --> 00:55:27.559
<v Speaker 3>really waiting for when Century goes against Bucky and it's

1118
00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:29.480
<v Speaker 3>beating the shit out of him and Bucky gets up

1119
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:31.800
<v Speaker 3>and goes at him again. I was really waiting. I

1120
00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:33.239
<v Speaker 3>was waiting for him to say I could do this

1121
00:55:33.320 --> 00:55:35.760
<v Speaker 3>all day. I was like, please throw me that fucking

1122
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:38.400
<v Speaker 3>bones with opportunity again.

1123
00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:40.199
<v Speaker 1>Why call this New Avengers if you're not going to

1124
00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:43.519
<v Speaker 1>take those chance, those opportunities that you're setting yourself up for.

1125
00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:47.079
<v Speaker 2>Well, they didn't. They called it Thunderbolts.

1126
00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:49.639
<v Speaker 3>Right Instead, they're making references to Ubers and stuff.

1127
00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Away.

1128
00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:51.760
<v Speaker 1>Wait a second, artist, it's going to come out as

1129
00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:53.920
<v Speaker 1>New Avengers when it comes out on some sort of

1130
00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:59.760
<v Speaker 1>physical media. No, no, okay, okay, okay, So why even

1131
00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:00.960
<v Speaker 1>call this New Avengers.

1132
00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:02.159
<v Speaker 2>They didn't.

1133
00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:04.800
<v Speaker 1>It's literally was in the movie at the end of.

1134
00:56:04.760 --> 00:56:06.559
<v Speaker 3>The movie, right, yeah, just the thing.

1135
00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:09.000
<v Speaker 1>It's like, it's just a thing. Okay, So it's just

1136
00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:09.320
<v Speaker 1>the thing.

1137
00:56:09.519 --> 00:56:11.039
<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm saying. If this had been a fucking

1138
00:56:11.400 --> 00:56:14.239
<v Speaker 2>like a special on you know, Disney Truss, then I

1139
00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:14.880
<v Speaker 2>would have been like.

1140
00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:17.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh, this is set up for the fucking New Avengers movie.

1141
00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:19.719
<v Speaker 1>I actually I'm still kind of wondering why. My question

1142
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:22.199
<v Speaker 1>kind of went over so strange. They literally are making

1143
00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:25.400
<v Speaker 1>it clear that they at some point might re references

1144
00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:26.679
<v Speaker 1>as the New Avengers.

1145
00:56:26.840 --> 00:56:27.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I hope they don't.

1146
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:30.119
<v Speaker 1>That's why would they ever.

1147
00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:32.159
<v Speaker 2>They're not going to They're not going to retitle the

1148
00:56:32.199 --> 00:56:33.320
<v Speaker 2>movie the New Avengers.

1149
00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:34.960
<v Speaker 1>That's ridiculous.

1150
00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:37.400
<v Speaker 2>Which of their previous titles have they renamed?

1151
00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:39.320
<v Speaker 1>Which of their previous movies have they ever had an

1152
00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:40.760
<v Speaker 1>asterisk next to the title?

1153
00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:45.679
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's infallible. You're right, they're definitely going to retitle

1154
00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:48.719
<v Speaker 2>the movie down the road. They're letting us know in

1155
00:56:48.760 --> 00:56:50.559
<v Speaker 2>the future, they're just going to retitle the movie so

1156
00:56:50.599 --> 00:56:53.559
<v Speaker 2>they can get another fucking, you know, twenty bucks out

1157
00:56:53.559 --> 00:56:55.159
<v Speaker 2>of us for a physical going to be a.

1158
00:56:55.199 --> 00:56:57.119
<v Speaker 1>New Is there ever going to be a movie titled

1159
00:56:57.199 --> 00:56:57.840
<v Speaker 1>New Avengers?

1160
00:56:57.880 --> 00:56:57.920
<v Speaker 4>Is?

1161
00:56:57.960 --> 00:56:58.880
<v Speaker 1>I guess the better question?

1162
00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:01.599
<v Speaker 2>No? No, Oh, I doubt it.

1163
00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:04.719
<v Speaker 3>I mean, even when Sam puts together his team, it's

1164
00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:07.519
<v Speaker 3>probably going to be for the next Avengers film, you know,

1165
00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:09.280
<v Speaker 3>the Doomsday film.

1166
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:12.280
<v Speaker 2>We'll get Young Avengers before we get a New Avengers.

1167
00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:14.719
<v Speaker 3>And that's what I think, because I was going to say, like,

1168
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:17.880
<v Speaker 3>the thing that bothered me the most about the Wakanda

1169
00:57:17.960 --> 00:57:21.199
<v Speaker 3>Forever movie is that It's basically it's a secret iron

1170
00:57:21.239 --> 00:57:24.079
<v Speaker 3>Heart movie. And I would have been much more interested

1171
00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:28.239
<v Speaker 3>in just seeing iron Heart than seeing fucking nay More

1172
00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:30.840
<v Speaker 3>and all that shit. Go ahead, save nay More for

1173
00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:34.119
<v Speaker 3>when the Fantastic Four land on our earth. Please but

1174
00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:38.119
<v Speaker 3>keep your name more away from my black Panther. And

1175
00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:41.719
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure that they probably Yeah, I know the whole Like.

1176
00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:43.920
<v Speaker 1>Why do you need secrets of movie? Like? Why do

1177
00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:46.480
<v Speaker 1>we need a secret Hulk movie in a Captain America movie?

1178
00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:46.880
<v Speaker 3>Right?

1179
00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:49.800
<v Speaker 1>Why did we need a see iron Heart movie in

1180
00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:52.719
<v Speaker 1>the Wakanda Forever movie? Like I don't understand why.

1181
00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:55.599
<v Speaker 2>Well, Hulk because they don't have the rights and they

1182
00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:57.119
<v Speaker 2>have to sleep. They have to sneak him in, so

1183
00:57:57.159 --> 00:57:59.280
<v Speaker 2>that one I understand. But yes, I don't understand why

1184
00:57:59.320 --> 00:58:02.519
<v Speaker 2>theykey piggy acting other characters into what should be a

1185
00:58:02.599 --> 00:58:04.119
<v Speaker 2>one on one situation.

1186
00:58:04.119 --> 00:58:08.639
<v Speaker 3>Right, yeah, I mean just like I have we seen

1187
00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:14.480
<v Speaker 3>Rere Williams since what kind of Forever? Like no, maybe

1188
00:58:14.519 --> 00:58:16.760
<v Speaker 3>she showed up in the last season of What If?

1189
00:58:16.840 --> 00:58:18.000
<v Speaker 3>I think possibly.

1190
00:58:18.280 --> 00:58:20.559
<v Speaker 2>Well, we were supposed to get a series, the Iron

1191
00:58:20.599 --> 00:58:23.239
<v Speaker 2>Wars television series, that's right, and then they said they

1192
00:58:23.239 --> 00:58:25.159
<v Speaker 2>were going to turn it into a feature film and

1193
00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:26.719
<v Speaker 2>now I don't even know if they're going to do that.

1194
00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:31.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's right, was Ironworth, Armor Wars or yeah, yeah,

1195
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:36.239
<v Speaker 3>you're right, graveyards.

1196
00:58:36.119 --> 00:58:37.280
<v Speaker 1>Under delivered times.

1197
00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:41.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the graveyard of shows that are never coming back.

1198
00:58:41.519 --> 00:58:43.360
<v Speaker 3>I mean today they're like, oh, there's not going to

1199
00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:45.320
<v Speaker 3>be a Hawkeye season two, and I'm like, oh wow,

1200
00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:48.840
<v Speaker 3>oh Crime a River. That first one was so great.

1201
00:58:49.719 --> 00:58:52.199
<v Speaker 1>A lot of like these these Phase like four and

1202
00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:55.400
<v Speaker 1>five movies are just like the ship that they've announced,

1203
00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:57.199
<v Speaker 1>the things that have come out, the order that they

1204
00:58:57.239 --> 00:59:00.800
<v Speaker 1>came out in the orders, that the Spider Man and

1205
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:04.239
<v Speaker 1>Doctor Strange movie where the order mattered and they get

1206
00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:08.400
<v Speaker 1>it out of order, and that Spider Man movie works,

1207
00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:11.440
<v Speaker 1>because that Spider Man movie is good. But I think

1208
00:59:11.480 --> 00:59:13.800
<v Speaker 1>that's probably like the is that not the best movie

1209
00:59:13.800 --> 00:59:16.800
<v Speaker 1>that's come out in since Endgame? Right?

1210
00:59:17.320 --> 00:59:20.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's the most rewatchable definitely, Yeah, which

1211
00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:20.960
<v Speaker 2>is which.

1212
00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:23.639
<v Speaker 1>Is not necessarily great because that movie has a lot

1213
00:59:23.639 --> 00:59:25.880
<v Speaker 1>of problems too. Yeah, it's almost like it has the

1214
00:59:25.960 --> 00:59:29.119
<v Speaker 1>least amount of problems, which is like at this point,

1215
00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:31.559
<v Speaker 1>like Damning with faint praise, like it has the least

1216
00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:34.719
<v Speaker 1>problems of the last Phase four and five movies like great.

1217
00:59:35.039 --> 00:59:38.079
<v Speaker 2>And that movie introduces to the MCU, what is the

1218
00:59:38.119 --> 00:59:40.840
<v Speaker 2>best thing to come out since Endgame, which is current,

1219
00:59:41.079 --> 00:59:43.880
<v Speaker 2>which is this new season of Daredevil, Daredevil Born Again.

1220
00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:48.800
<v Speaker 2>It's fucking awesome. Best thing they Marvel has done in forever.

1221
00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:52.239
<v Speaker 1>Kind of like and or is the best thing that

1222
00:59:52.320 --> 00:59:53.480
<v Speaker 1>the Star Wars has done?

1223
00:59:53.679 --> 00:59:58.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah right, I never really got into the Daredevil show.

1224
00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:00.519
<v Speaker 2>You don't need to start with Born Again.

1225
01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:03.840
<v Speaker 3>Okay, because yeah, for me, I was like, I was

1226
01:00:03.880 --> 01:00:06.760
<v Speaker 3>a big fan of Jessica Jones all the others. I

1227
01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:08.960
<v Speaker 3>was like, yeah, you can keep that, like Luke Cage

1228
01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:11.280
<v Speaker 3>was okay, but I don't know if I ever finished

1229
01:00:11.320 --> 01:00:14.559
<v Speaker 3>that season. I'm not about to watch Iron Fists and

1230
01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:19.639
<v Speaker 3>then like yeah, like Daredevil, yeah, I mean Daredevil for me,

1231
01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:21.519
<v Speaker 3>I was just like, yeah, this is okay, but where's

1232
01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:22.519
<v Speaker 3>Ben a Fly? Come on?

1233
01:00:23.480 --> 01:00:27.079
<v Speaker 2>I know. And Colin Farrell, Colin Farrell is missed as Daredevil,

1234
01:00:27.400 --> 01:00:28.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean as in Dared Devil.

1235
01:00:28.679 --> 01:00:31.559
<v Speaker 3>As oh fucking eight. He was so good in that,

1236
01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:34.760
<v Speaker 3>especially when he poists at his head. Yeah, he goes

1237
01:00:34.840 --> 01:00:37.760
<v Speaker 3>bull joy and then laughs.

1238
01:00:37.039 --> 01:00:39.320
<v Speaker 1>Kill everybody, kills an old lady with that toothpick.

1239
01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:42.119
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, or him at the end with the paper

1240
01:00:42.199 --> 01:00:45.800
<v Speaker 3>clip and the fly and he he kills.

1241
01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:47.400
<v Speaker 2>The guy next to him on an airplane with a

1242
01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:52.159
<v Speaker 2>peanut ricochets off the cabin walls. Listen, if they're gonna,

1243
01:00:52.239 --> 01:00:55.639
<v Speaker 2>if Marvel really needs to tie up the whole timeline bullshit,

1244
01:00:55.719 --> 01:00:58.079
<v Speaker 2>they need to give us one fucking thing so we

1245
01:00:58.079 --> 01:01:00.360
<v Speaker 2>can have steaks once again in this series. And if

1246
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:03.360
<v Speaker 2>they do, please do it correctly and pull in everybody,

1247
01:01:03.719 --> 01:01:06.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean everybody at the Marvel universe. Get Colin Farrell

1248
01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:10.920
<v Speaker 2>in as Bullseye, Get fucking January Jones in as Emma Frost,

1249
01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:12.800
<v Speaker 2>and Kevin Bacon, you know what I mean, bring in

1250
01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:14.880
<v Speaker 2>like an everybody and then decimate them all.

1251
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:17.519
<v Speaker 1>Well, and that was so I mean, I don't know

1252
01:01:17.519 --> 01:01:21.360
<v Speaker 1>how much you guys do of like the the Marvel

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01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:24.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of specting as people do, like the things and

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01:01:24.519 --> 01:01:27.159
<v Speaker 1>the leaks and stuff. But there was a leaked script

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01:01:27.239 --> 01:01:30.039
<v Speaker 1>for Kang Dynasty, and that's essentially what the like that

1256
01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:32.960
<v Speaker 1>movie was was you had like Nick Cage as ghost

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01:01:32.960 --> 01:01:36.480
<v Speaker 1>writer and also ITTs of like what yeah, straight up,

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01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:38.360
<v Speaker 1>they were going to try to get Nick Cage back

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01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:40.400
<v Speaker 1>as ghostwriter for that movie just so that they could

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01:01:40.440 --> 01:01:43.760
<v Speaker 1>have what essentially bother Malone's talking about. All those characters

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01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:46.480
<v Speaker 1>just essentially like to show the threat being a threat.

1262
01:01:46.800 --> 01:01:49.280
<v Speaker 1>You have a group of disparate characters coming together, they

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01:01:49.320 --> 01:01:51.360
<v Speaker 1>get fucked out of existence at the end of the movie,

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01:01:51.639 --> 01:01:55.039
<v Speaker 1>and then the second movie is just the rest of

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01:01:55.079 --> 01:01:57.519
<v Speaker 1>the people coming in to fix the problem from the

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01:01:57.559 --> 01:02:01.079
<v Speaker 1>first movie, which I mean, that's probably what we're gonna

1267
01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:04.480
<v Speaker 1>get anyways, because they can't help themselves. But that is

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01:02:04.519 --> 01:02:07.079
<v Speaker 1>what Kang Dynasty was going to be. They were trying

1269
01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:09.679
<v Speaker 1>to get Nick Cage as fucking ghost writer back, and

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01:02:09.719 --> 01:02:12.599
<v Speaker 1>you know what, there is a universe there's a version

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01:02:12.639 --> 01:02:14.679
<v Speaker 1>of this where we did get that, where Jonathan Major

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01:02:14.920 --> 01:02:15.559
<v Speaker 1>was it in.

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01:02:15.639 --> 01:02:17.960
<v Speaker 2>A different timeline.

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01:02:18.760 --> 01:02:22.679
<v Speaker 3>Fucking just recast it. Take the guy who is the yeah,

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01:02:22.679 --> 01:02:26.280
<v Speaker 3>what's his name? The Higher Intelligence from from Guardians If

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01:02:26.320 --> 01:02:28.920
<v Speaker 3>you need a black guy, that guy this he is

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01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:33.480
<v Speaker 3>fucking amazing and Guardians three get him in the High

1278
01:02:33.519 --> 01:02:37.000
<v Speaker 3>evolutionary right oh yeah, and like go right, I mean,

1279
01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:40.719
<v Speaker 3>but yeah, just Kang is a multi dimensional being and

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01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:41.639
<v Speaker 3>that's his whole thing.

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01:02:41.719 --> 01:02:46.239
<v Speaker 1>They didn't character you dip shits, what sort of boso

1282
01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:50.280
<v Speaker 1>pardon the parlance, mickey mouse logic is this shit, you

1283
01:02:50.360 --> 01:02:52.400
<v Speaker 1>literally have it baked into the character. You can just

1284
01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:54.519
<v Speaker 1>do you know what again, to go back to the

1285
01:02:54.599 --> 01:02:57.760
<v Speaker 1>inventor of time, you know time Lord is asked, he

1286
01:02:57.880 --> 01:03:02.679
<v Speaker 1>just regenerates. Fuck fuck off Marvel, Like nope, they they

1287
01:03:02.920 --> 01:03:06.679
<v Speaker 1>got cold feet. They got cold feet, That's all this is.

1288
01:03:06.719 --> 01:03:10.119
<v Speaker 1>They they knew what would move the needle, and they did,

1289
01:03:09.880 --> 01:03:15.599
<v Speaker 1>and instead of committing to something different, they decided to

1290
01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:18.320
<v Speaker 1>bail out. I mean, and again, if you watch this movie,

1291
01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:22.519
<v Speaker 1>this movie is a microcosm of a bigger MCU problem,

1292
01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:26.320
<v Speaker 1>which is and then we have a joke, and it's

1293
01:03:26.360 --> 01:03:28.280
<v Speaker 1>like it's always been the thing that everyone's held against

1294
01:03:28.280 --> 01:03:31.239
<v Speaker 1>Marvel is the tone, like the Joss Whedon effect, Like

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01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:33.920
<v Speaker 1>you get the seriousness and then right before it's supposed

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01:03:33.920 --> 01:03:35.360
<v Speaker 1>to be all the way serious, you have a jokey

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01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:39.480
<v Speaker 1>bullshit and Marvel can't escape it even now, Like just

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01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:42.239
<v Speaker 1>the movie itself is like that, Like the movie can't

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01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:44.480
<v Speaker 1>get out of the way of a tone could be

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01:03:44.559 --> 01:03:47.519
<v Speaker 1>taking the audience halfway serious. This movie wants to be

1301
01:03:47.599 --> 01:03:49.880
<v Speaker 1>joky because it doesn't think the audience is prepared to

1302
01:03:49.920 --> 01:03:53.800
<v Speaker 1>see characters die. We watched Iron Man die, we watch

1303
01:03:53.880 --> 01:03:56.760
<v Speaker 1>Black Widowed and Gomora die. We watch those characters die

1304
01:03:56.760 --> 01:03:59.360
<v Speaker 1>and they're dead for good, some of them, Like we

1305
01:03:59.480 --> 01:04:02.239
<v Speaker 1>can hand why, Like the people have grown up with

1306
01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:04.280
<v Speaker 1>these movies, Like there were children that were like eight

1307
01:04:04.320 --> 01:04:06.519
<v Speaker 1>years old when these movies came out. There adults now,

1308
01:04:06.599 --> 01:04:09.360
<v Speaker 1>like I don't get it, Like just respect your audience

1309
01:04:09.400 --> 01:04:09.920
<v Speaker 1>a little bit.

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01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:12.679
<v Speaker 2>There is no universe, by the way, where Yolena the

1311
01:04:12.760 --> 01:04:16.679
<v Speaker 2>White Widow is her her main problem is that she's

1312
01:04:16.719 --> 01:04:20.199
<v Speaker 2>not loved enough by her surrogate dad, Red Guardian. That

1313
01:04:20.280 --> 01:04:23.960
<v Speaker 2>guy would be an oozing pile of love for that character,

1314
01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:27.599
<v Speaker 2>Like he would call her every fucking day. That was bullshit.

1315
01:04:27.679 --> 01:04:29.519
<v Speaker 2>That's like a straw man, you know. They just like

1316
01:04:29.559 --> 01:04:31.559
<v Speaker 2>set that shit up so that she has something to

1317
01:04:31.559 --> 01:04:34.000
<v Speaker 2>cry about. But like, how about she just wants to

1318
01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:37.559
<v Speaker 2>fucking die because she's fucking killed so many people and

1319
01:04:37.599 --> 01:04:40.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot of innocent people, and now her sister is

1320
01:04:40.440 --> 01:04:42.400
<v Speaker 2>dead and she no longer has meaning in her life.

1321
01:04:42.840 --> 01:04:44.639
<v Speaker 2>Maybe maybe that's what's troubling her.

1322
01:04:44.719 --> 01:04:47.079
<v Speaker 1>It's baked into it. It's I don't understand why they

1323
01:04:47.159 --> 01:04:49.000
<v Speaker 1>ignore the obvious and go for them.

1324
01:04:49.159 --> 01:04:52.000
<v Speaker 2>You don't call me enough on the weekends, Papa, Like

1325
01:04:52.079 --> 01:04:53.559
<v Speaker 2>that's it. That's what we're getting.

1326
01:04:54.159 --> 01:04:57.800
<v Speaker 1>Yah, Yeah, where's I just don't understand where the stakes?

1327
01:04:58.000 --> 01:05:00.199
<v Speaker 1>Where are the steaks here? They just they don't have

1328
01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:02.840
<v Speaker 1>them because they know that they have this that I

1329
01:05:02.840 --> 01:05:04.519
<v Speaker 1>think I think and this is again, this is me

1330
01:05:04.719 --> 01:05:07.239
<v Speaker 1>just making a supposition here. They have this massive reset

1331
01:05:07.280 --> 01:05:08.159
<v Speaker 1>button coming.

1332
01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:11.840
<v Speaker 2>Up, so so go for it. So fucking go for it.

1333
01:05:12.079 --> 01:05:13.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't get it, Like, why not? Like you

1334
01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:17.679
<v Speaker 1>literally know what's coming up. You know that again, we

1335
01:05:17.880 --> 01:05:21.079
<v Speaker 1>know what they've cast for doomsday? They cast the X

1336
01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:23.559
<v Speaker 1>Men from the original X Men movies. You think that

1337
01:05:23.599 --> 01:05:27.760
<v Speaker 1>those characters are making it out of that movie? Like, No,

1338
01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:30.840
<v Speaker 1>they're not. Like, and that's not a surprise to anybody,

1339
01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:34.000
<v Speaker 1>because the way Marvel's doing things, they're telegraphing everything now,

1340
01:05:34.480 --> 01:05:37.320
<v Speaker 1>because they're making it very clear that from the point

1341
01:05:37.320 --> 01:05:39.599
<v Speaker 1>that that second Avengers movie comes out on is going

1342
01:05:39.599 --> 01:05:42.800
<v Speaker 1>to be a completely different thing that's probably going to

1343
01:05:42.840 --> 01:05:45.199
<v Speaker 1>look nothing like any of this, which is I'm perfectly

1344
01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:48.320
<v Speaker 1>fine with and cool with. But convince me that that's

1345
01:05:48.320 --> 01:05:50.159
<v Speaker 1>not what they're doing. I just don't understand why none

1346
01:05:50.199 --> 01:05:53.440
<v Speaker 1>of this stuff feels like just throw whatever, you know,

1347
01:05:53.519 --> 01:05:55.360
<v Speaker 1>caution to the wind and go for it. If that's

1348
01:05:55.400 --> 01:05:56.920
<v Speaker 1>what we know is coming, Just do it.

1349
01:05:57.039 --> 01:06:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Marvel got you are right, Marvel got cold feet because

1350
01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:03.199
<v Speaker 2>what happened was not only were they sort of slow

1351
01:06:03.440 --> 01:06:05.320
<v Speaker 2>thinking they were going to take their time like they

1352
01:06:05.320 --> 01:06:08.000
<v Speaker 2>did with the with earlier projects as far as setting

1353
01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:11.840
<v Speaker 2>up the multiverse, but I don't think they were expecting

1354
01:06:12.199 --> 01:06:15.000
<v Speaker 2>everything everywhere, all at once to come out and sort

1355
01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:17.400
<v Speaker 2>of poison those waters and get everyone like a little

1356
01:06:17.440 --> 01:06:20.280
<v Speaker 2>too overused to a multi versus a problem. And then

1357
01:06:20.320 --> 01:06:22.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, DC started doing it. TV series have been

1358
01:06:22.960 --> 01:06:25.639
<v Speaker 2>doing it. Everyone's been doing different timelines, like you get

1359
01:06:25.639 --> 01:06:28.679
<v Speaker 2>memes about it that. So, so what they did was

1360
01:06:28.719 --> 01:06:31.480
<v Speaker 2>back way off and continue telling sort of regular, sort

1361
01:06:31.480 --> 01:06:35.360
<v Speaker 2>of standard stories, not leading us in any direction whatsoever,

1362
01:06:35.559 --> 01:06:37.360
<v Speaker 2>because they were supposed to be leading us in the

1363
01:06:37.360 --> 01:06:40.400
<v Speaker 2>timeline direction. Where they should have done is every fucking

1364
01:06:40.440 --> 01:06:43.519
<v Speaker 2>single one of them should have been crazy with cameos.

1365
01:06:43.679 --> 01:06:45.519
<v Speaker 2>They should have been setting this up all along, Like

1366
01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:49.079
<v Speaker 2>why is fucking Nick Cage's ghostwriters suddenly helping us on

1367
01:06:49.119 --> 01:06:52.800
<v Speaker 2>our trip? Like you know, I don't know. They dropped

1368
01:06:52.800 --> 01:06:54.119
<v Speaker 2>the ball real, real hard.

1369
01:06:54.519 --> 01:06:58.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, it just reminds me of the problem with Deadpool Wolverine.

1370
01:06:58.119 --> 01:07:01.039
<v Speaker 1>It's like, because it's a Wolverine movie. You couldn't make

1371
01:07:01.079 --> 01:07:03.199
<v Speaker 1>this the whacked out movie it should have been, with

1372
01:07:03.320 --> 01:07:09.199
<v Speaker 1>every single insane cameo known to man, including again Nick

1373
01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:13.719
<v Speaker 1>Cage's ghost Rider, Ben Affleck is Daredevil, Like go go further,

1374
01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:17.280
<v Speaker 1>go to the Roger Corman Fantastic four movies, Like Fantastic

1375
01:07:17.320 --> 01:07:18.719
<v Speaker 1>four movie, go further than that?

1376
01:07:19.079 --> 01:07:20.480
<v Speaker 2>No, because then you would have had to have a

1377
01:07:20.599 --> 01:07:22.760
<v Speaker 2>list people in a Ryan Reynolds movie, and he couldn't

1378
01:07:22.760 --> 01:07:23.239
<v Speaker 2>handle that.

1379
01:07:29.159 --> 01:07:32.559
<v Speaker 3>Wait, what see having a problem. I'm not keeping up

1380
01:07:32.559 --> 01:07:36.280
<v Speaker 3>on this whole Blake Lively whoever this other dude is

1381
01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:40.079
<v Speaker 3>Like I see headlines almost every single day, and I'm

1382
01:07:40.119 --> 01:07:42.639
<v Speaker 3>just like I could not give a shit about any

1383
01:07:42.719 --> 01:07:42.880
<v Speaker 3>of this.

1384
01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, I thought it was actually crazy, quite illuminating.

1385
01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:49.880
<v Speaker 3>Is based on this guy? Is it okay?

1386
01:07:50.320 --> 01:07:50.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

1387
01:07:51.039 --> 01:07:52.960
<v Speaker 3>Like I just can't pay attention to it.

1388
01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:57.079
<v Speaker 2>Come to find out, like like there there was this

1389
01:07:57.159 --> 01:08:00.480
<v Speaker 2>whole campaign with you know, trying to get this guy

1390
01:08:00.559 --> 01:08:04.559
<v Speaker 2>discredited because Ryan Reynolds was like rewriting the script and

1391
01:08:04.639 --> 01:08:07.199
<v Speaker 2>trying to like control the direction of the film itself,

1392
01:08:07.280 --> 01:08:09.000
<v Speaker 2>like right from the get go to the point where

1393
01:08:09.320 --> 01:08:12.000
<v Speaker 2>like she came forward and had to have a mediation

1394
01:08:12.039 --> 01:08:14.079
<v Speaker 2>where she claimed all of this shit was going on,

1395
01:08:14.159 --> 01:08:18.000
<v Speaker 2>that he was like behaving sexually aggressively towards her, but

1396
01:08:18.840 --> 01:08:21.359
<v Speaker 2>and he signed off like I will not continue any

1397
01:08:21.399 --> 01:08:23.399
<v Speaker 2>of this sort of behavior. But he signed it because

1398
01:08:23.399 --> 01:08:25.960
<v Speaker 2>he's directing the movie and his fucking lead actress just

1399
01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:28.359
<v Speaker 2>came out and said this, and you can tell he

1400
01:08:28.439 --> 01:08:30.840
<v Speaker 2>was like, whatever, let's just get the movie made. And

1401
01:08:30.880 --> 01:08:33.239
<v Speaker 2>then afterwards she starts like bringing it up, and then

1402
01:08:33.600 --> 01:08:35.640
<v Speaker 2>he has footage of them in all the scenes that

1403
01:08:35.640 --> 01:08:37.319
<v Speaker 2>she said he was doing it to her, where he

1404
01:08:37.359 --> 01:08:41.239
<v Speaker 2>did nothing of the sort. It's crazy. It's whoa Yeah.

1405
01:08:41.279 --> 01:08:43.720
<v Speaker 2>In a world where like you're lucky to get a

1406
01:08:43.760 --> 01:08:46.640
<v Speaker 2>movie made, the fact that anyone is behaving this way

1407
01:08:46.680 --> 01:08:48.560
<v Speaker 2>anymore is fucking bonkers to me.

1408
01:08:49.439 --> 01:08:51.720
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know. Ryan Reynolds apparently is a bad man.

1409
01:08:51.960 --> 01:08:55.119
<v Speaker 2>Seems like a real piece of shit. Now, Actually, whoa yet?

1410
01:08:55.680 --> 01:08:59.359
<v Speaker 1>Where where have all the good girled good boys gone? Mike?

1411
01:08:59.439 --> 01:09:03.640
<v Speaker 1>What's half? Oh no, damn, he's.

1412
01:09:03.960 --> 01:09:05.199
<v Speaker 3>He's supposed to be way nice.

1413
01:09:05.479 --> 01:09:06.439
<v Speaker 2>I know it should have been.

1414
01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:09.359
<v Speaker 1>Dan Ackroyd was setting the bar way too high for

1415
01:09:09.439 --> 01:09:09.880
<v Speaker 1>the malone.

1416
01:09:09.880 --> 01:09:13.000
<v Speaker 2>I guess all around the world, same song.

1417
01:09:15.319 --> 01:09:21.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, yikes, Oh it's nothing but trouble. Ryan Reynolds

1418
01:09:21.039 --> 01:09:22.720
<v Speaker 1>seems like nothing but trouble, if you know what I mean.

1419
01:09:24.479 --> 01:09:27.319
<v Speaker 3>I know we've said a lot of things on this episode,

1420
01:09:27.359 --> 01:09:30.399
<v Speaker 3>but when this comes to the Plex Server, I'm gonna

1421
01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:33.359
<v Speaker 3>be watching it again, probably a few times. I'm sorry,

1422
01:09:33.560 --> 01:09:38.000
<v Speaker 3>but I don't know something about these movies. Like even

1423
01:09:38.079 --> 01:09:40.159
<v Speaker 3>though it's like, well, yeah, it missed the mark, it

1424
01:09:40.199 --> 01:09:43.119
<v Speaker 3>could have been better. This the facings off, This is off,

1425
01:09:43.159 --> 01:09:45.880
<v Speaker 3>This should have been better, but it's like, yeah, all right,

1426
01:09:46.079 --> 01:09:50.159
<v Speaker 3>it made me happy for two hours and six minutes

1427
01:09:50.199 --> 01:09:50.880
<v Speaker 3>in a movie.

1428
01:09:50.640 --> 01:09:55.199
<v Speaker 1>Theater mediocre and times. This movie is not great as

1429
01:09:55.199 --> 01:09:58.279
<v Speaker 1>this movie is, It's I think a movie I will

1430
01:09:58.279 --> 01:10:00.520
<v Speaker 1>probably come back to several times as well well, because

1431
01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:03.880
<v Speaker 1>I enjoyed it. It's better than the last three Marvel

1432
01:10:03.920 --> 01:10:07.600
<v Speaker 1>things I saw, And I'm probably going to engage with

1433
01:10:07.600 --> 01:10:10.159
<v Speaker 1>Marvel a little bit further with dar Devil to Father

1434
01:10:10.239 --> 01:10:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Malone's suggestion, because I never really watched the original show,

1435
01:10:14.640 --> 01:10:16.359
<v Speaker 1>but I did want to mention and I did want

1436
01:10:16.359 --> 01:10:18.079
<v Speaker 1>to ask because we kind of alluded to it a

1437
01:10:18.119 --> 01:10:21.279
<v Speaker 1>little bit. But to kind of bring this all full

1438
01:10:21.319 --> 01:10:24.640
<v Speaker 1>circle or all the way, you know, back to the

1439
01:10:24.680 --> 01:10:27.199
<v Speaker 1>beginning or again to the spoilers of it all, what

1440
01:10:27.359 --> 01:10:30.840
<v Speaker 1>did we think about the reveal with the Fantastic Four

1441
01:10:33.399 --> 01:10:37.039
<v Speaker 1>and like to end the movie with that, what and

1442
01:10:37.600 --> 01:10:39.760
<v Speaker 1>to make that clear that this is where this is

1443
01:10:39.800 --> 01:10:43.359
<v Speaker 1>headed and to again, I'm just curious y'all's thoughts on

1444
01:10:43.399 --> 01:10:44.920
<v Speaker 1>the way that they handled it, the way that it

1445
01:10:44.960 --> 01:10:46.279
<v Speaker 1>was executed.

1446
01:10:47.159 --> 01:10:52.119
<v Speaker 3>Plumsie well as the Yeah, as the credits were rolling,

1447
01:10:52.239 --> 01:10:54.000
<v Speaker 3>I was just like, Okay, what's going to be the

1448
01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:56.800
<v Speaker 3>big reveal? And I honestly thought it was going to

1449
01:10:57.119 --> 01:11:00.359
<v Speaker 3>be something to do with doomsday, just because as they

1450
01:11:00.920 --> 01:11:03.439
<v Speaker 3>that whole fucking video with the chairs and stuff, what

1451
01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:07.600
<v Speaker 3>a stupid fucking stunt that was. But that so I

1452
01:11:07.640 --> 01:11:10.199
<v Speaker 3>was like, Okay, are they gonna give us a little

1453
01:11:10.399 --> 01:11:15.279
<v Speaker 3>something like two movies from now or maybe something about

1454
01:11:15.279 --> 01:11:18.560
<v Speaker 3>a TV show we're gonna see that White Division or

1455
01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:21.119
<v Speaker 3>some of these characters that we haven't seen in a while.

1456
01:11:21.760 --> 01:11:24.920
<v Speaker 3>But no, it feels like they've really gone back to

1457
01:11:25.079 --> 01:11:29.239
<v Speaker 3>like yes, exactly. It feels like they've kind of gone

1458
01:11:29.279 --> 01:11:32.399
<v Speaker 3>back to more of an the older style, like those

1459
01:11:32.439 --> 01:11:36.000
<v Speaker 3>original Avengers movies where it's like, Okay, this leads to this,

1460
01:11:36.159 --> 01:11:38.680
<v Speaker 3>leads to this. I mean, I'm surprised that there wasn't

1461
01:11:38.680 --> 01:11:43.600
<v Speaker 3>a Thunderbolts thing inside of Captain America for But I

1462
01:11:43.720 --> 01:11:48.479
<v Speaker 3>guess having Sam Stearns talk about It's coming is maybe

1463
01:11:48.520 --> 01:11:51.239
<v Speaker 3>the doomsday thing. But at the same time, I'm like, dude,

1464
01:11:51.279 --> 01:11:55.159
<v Speaker 3>I saw fucking Jesse Eisenberg do the whole It's Coming

1465
01:11:55.199 --> 01:11:58.279
<v Speaker 3>thing at the end of one of those awful DC movies.

1466
01:11:58.880 --> 01:12:01.239
<v Speaker 3>I don't I don't need that, you know, I don't

1467
01:12:01.279 --> 01:12:03.079
<v Speaker 3>need Sam Sterns to be doing that. I'm just like,

1468
01:12:03.119 --> 01:12:05.800
<v Speaker 3>why did Sam Stearns even turn himself in? I'm still

1469
01:12:05.840 --> 01:12:06.479
<v Speaker 3>puzzling that.

1470
01:12:08.640 --> 01:12:09.239
<v Speaker 2>So ans here your.

1471
01:12:09.279 --> 01:12:13.079
<v Speaker 3>Question about Fantastic Four. I agree with Father Malone. It's clumsy.

1472
01:12:14.439 --> 01:12:17.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just sort of crammed in. It's you know,

1473
01:12:17.239 --> 01:12:19.279
<v Speaker 2>it's like, you know, it's not like they haven't done

1474
01:12:19.319 --> 01:12:21.439
<v Speaker 2>this before where they just sort of give us a

1475
01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:24.520
<v Speaker 2>random bit from some other franchise that you know that

1476
01:12:24.680 --> 01:12:27.439
<v Speaker 2>will eventually sort of be getting to. But you know,

1477
01:12:27.479 --> 01:12:30.920
<v Speaker 2>I wish it had just been more Thunderbolts, like doing

1478
01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:34.399
<v Speaker 2>their fucking thing. Like, how about what's John Walker's wife

1479
01:12:34.479 --> 01:12:36.840
<v Speaker 2>up to at the end? Is he making any attempt there? Like,

1480
01:12:37.279 --> 01:12:39.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, there are plot threads that this movie brings

1481
01:12:39.399 --> 01:12:41.319
<v Speaker 2>up that they maybe could have hinted at further or

1482
01:12:41.359 --> 01:12:44.239
<v Speaker 2>like you said, Mike, give us something from fucking that

1483
01:12:44.319 --> 01:12:47.720
<v Speaker 2>we don't know what's happening, like doctor Strange is often

1484
01:12:47.800 --> 01:12:51.000
<v Speaker 2>some other fucking universe with Charlie then that right now,

1485
01:12:51.039 --> 01:12:53.119
<v Speaker 2>like what's been going on with that? There are so

1486
01:12:53.239 --> 01:12:55.960
<v Speaker 2>many things they could be checking us in on instead

1487
01:12:55.960 --> 01:12:58.479
<v Speaker 2>of like guess what's coming right and the next one? Kid,

1488
01:12:58.640 --> 01:13:02.119
<v Speaker 2>stay excited, get your pop corn bucket money ready?

1489
01:13:02.199 --> 01:13:04.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I don't get, like that's what I mean,

1490
01:13:04.920 --> 01:13:06.520
<v Speaker 1>That's what I don't get, Like why do we have

1491
01:13:06.680 --> 01:13:09.680
<v Speaker 1>to why do we have to show the next movie?

1492
01:13:09.760 --> 01:13:11.600
<v Speaker 1>Like literally, why do we have to go like buop

1493
01:13:11.680 --> 01:13:13.720
<v Speaker 1>up buh like because we know that the next movie

1494
01:13:13.760 --> 01:13:16.239
<v Speaker 1>is not unless I'm unless my assumption is wrong with

1495
01:13:16.239 --> 01:13:21.199
<v Speaker 1>the next movie at the beginning, I think the point

1496
01:13:21.239 --> 01:13:23.479
<v Speaker 1>of leading into the next movie unless this is like

1497
01:13:23.840 --> 01:13:26.079
<v Speaker 1>with what happened with Avengers, which is the last time

1498
01:13:26.079 --> 01:13:28.079
<v Speaker 1>I could think of actually mattering that you had, like

1499
01:13:28.600 --> 01:13:30.600
<v Speaker 1>but bah like a thing where it's like and we

1500
01:13:30.680 --> 01:13:33.560
<v Speaker 1>have the pager and that goes right into Captain Marvel,

1501
01:13:33.600 --> 01:13:37.199
<v Speaker 1>the movie that has to explain what the pager is for,

1502
01:13:37.640 --> 01:13:39.560
<v Speaker 1>which ends up not even mattering an endgame, but that's

1503
01:13:39.560 --> 01:13:41.399
<v Speaker 1>a completely different story, and she comes back for one

1504
01:13:41.479 --> 01:13:44.199
<v Speaker 1>scene in that movie that matters. But hey, whatever, I

1505
01:13:44.399 --> 01:13:47.039
<v Speaker 1>really just I was at the end of the movie.

1506
01:13:47.039 --> 01:13:49.000
<v Speaker 1>I was just sitting there, was like, fantastic for it,

1507
01:13:49.039 --> 01:13:51.479
<v Speaker 1>fantastic and then you know what they did that spoiled it.

1508
01:13:51.960 --> 01:13:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Michael Giacchino is fantastic for a First Steps theme right

1509
01:13:55.680 --> 01:13:58.159
<v Speaker 1>there in the credits. And it's like you in.

1510
01:13:58.199 --> 01:14:01.199
<v Speaker 2>The credits, I saw it too, you fuckers.

1511
01:14:00.800 --> 01:14:03.479
<v Speaker 1>Like it's right there. You spoiled it before you even

1512
01:14:03.520 --> 01:14:06.479
<v Speaker 1>spoiled it for the people that still don't know, Like

1513
01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:09.560
<v Speaker 1>you gave even the people that didn't know an opportunity

1514
01:14:09.600 --> 01:14:12.439
<v Speaker 1>to be smart. Yeah, and it said it right there,

1515
01:14:12.479 --> 01:14:14.359
<v Speaker 1>And it's a and and the and the Fantastic four

1516
01:14:14.439 --> 01:14:18.560
<v Speaker 1>theme is really good too. That's the problem. It's so good.

1517
01:14:18.560 --> 01:14:21.720
<v Speaker 1>It's like now, it's like I recognized it hearing it,

1518
01:14:21.800 --> 01:14:23.680
<v Speaker 1>like because again, they play it right at the end

1519
01:14:23.720 --> 01:14:26.119
<v Speaker 1>of the movie. They're playing it over the credit as

1520
01:14:26.159 --> 01:14:27.119
<v Speaker 1>we lead into that.

1521
01:14:27.680 --> 01:14:31.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, by by the way, why nothing's going to stop

1522
01:14:31.439 --> 01:14:35.239
<v Speaker 3>us now by Starship in the end credits. That was

1523
01:14:35.279 --> 01:14:37.760
<v Speaker 3>that used at all in the rest of the movie.

1524
01:14:38.119 --> 01:14:40.880
<v Speaker 2>No part of the wackiness of the Guardians that we

1525
01:14:40.960 --> 01:14:44.479
<v Speaker 2>need to replicate here because that's what teams are. Teams

1526
01:14:44.520 --> 01:14:46.279
<v Speaker 2>are goofy, that's what they need to be.

1527
01:14:46.399 --> 01:14:49.119
<v Speaker 1>Boy ey, one needs a each one needs a needle

1528
01:14:49.199 --> 01:14:50.600
<v Speaker 1>drop like in Suicide Squad.

1529
01:14:50.640 --> 01:14:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Remember, oh yeah, Red Guardian should have been the only

1530
01:14:55.079 --> 01:14:57.119
<v Speaker 2>comedic character in this Yes, thank.

1531
01:14:56.960 --> 01:15:00.840
<v Speaker 1>You, agreed? Agreed. Yeah, well I don't Yeah, I don't

1532
01:15:00.840 --> 01:15:05.720
<v Speaker 1>know why you make the essentially American American government serial

1533
01:15:05.800 --> 01:15:09.119
<v Speaker 1>killer who just goes and kills people with wand why

1534
01:15:09.159 --> 01:15:11.760
<v Speaker 1>you've allowed him to be a jokey character and then

1535
01:15:11.840 --> 01:15:14.199
<v Speaker 1>have him be just like a dad who's on his

1536
01:15:14.239 --> 01:15:16.640
<v Speaker 1>phone around his son, which is like again, like what

1537
01:15:16.760 --> 01:15:20.119
<v Speaker 1>a yeah? How like that?

1538
01:15:20.319 --> 01:15:22.479
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a pretty small complaint.

1539
01:15:22.720 --> 01:15:23.680
<v Speaker 2>That's his Yeah.

1540
01:15:23.680 --> 01:15:25.640
<v Speaker 1>And by the way, shooting the person in the middle

1541
01:15:25.640 --> 01:15:28.159
<v Speaker 1>of the street like killing the like like they literally

1542
01:15:28.199 --> 01:15:30.239
<v Speaker 1>reference in the dialogue of the movie.

1543
01:15:30.399 --> 01:15:31.920
<v Speaker 2>No, he doesn't shoot a man in the middle of

1544
01:15:31.960 --> 01:15:35.720
<v Speaker 2>the street. He uses Captain America's shield to bludgeon a

1545
01:15:35.760 --> 01:15:39.359
<v Speaker 2>man to death. Okay, how about a flashback to that.

1546
01:15:39.479 --> 01:15:41.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't need to know that he wasn't paying attention

1547
01:15:41.720 --> 01:15:44.319
<v Speaker 2>to his child. By the way, clearly he's not paying

1548
01:15:44.319 --> 01:15:46.600
<v Speaker 2>attention to his child while all of that shit is

1549
01:15:46.640 --> 01:15:48.800
<v Speaker 2>going on. He's just been stripped of the title of

1550
01:15:48.800 --> 01:15:51.920
<v Speaker 2>Captain America. The entire world is considering him disgrace. I

1551
01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:54.199
<v Speaker 2>might be able to distract it too. It's not like

1552
01:15:54.520 --> 01:15:57.479
<v Speaker 2>his child burned themselves while he was fucking off and

1553
01:15:57.560 --> 01:15:59.840
<v Speaker 2>doing something. It was the child is sitting next to

1554
01:16:00.199 --> 01:16:01.960
<v Speaker 2>the wife's in the next room, comes in and goes, hey,

1555
01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:04.600
<v Speaker 2>we'll pay attention to the kid. Yeah.

1556
01:16:04.800 --> 01:16:07.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was like, well, that's like the least offensive thing.

1557
01:16:07.479 --> 01:16:10.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I was expecting her does smacker across the

1558
01:16:10.039 --> 01:16:14.319
<v Speaker 3>face or something like something terrible, something awful? Yes, exactly.

1559
01:16:14.359 --> 01:16:17.279
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, when he was bludgeoning that guy with the

1560
01:16:17.920 --> 01:16:21.039
<v Speaker 3>shield in that show, that was probably the best moment

1561
01:16:21.079 --> 01:16:24.720
<v Speaker 3>of the show, when it was actual like oh wow,

1562
01:16:24.800 --> 01:16:28.319
<v Speaker 3>this is amazing, rather than Sam Wilson just talking people

1563
01:16:28.920 --> 01:16:31.119
<v Speaker 3>down at the end of the movie. And I guess

1564
01:16:31.239 --> 01:16:34.079
<v Speaker 3>that's how the fucking movie ends, right with Captain America

1565
01:16:34.119 --> 01:16:39.319
<v Speaker 3>for him talking down a red Hulk, you know, trying

1566
01:16:39.359 --> 01:16:41.960
<v Speaker 3>to do it twice. And yeah, I met with a

1567
01:16:41.960 --> 01:16:44.760
<v Speaker 3>friend of mine for coffee recently and the first thing

1568
01:16:44.800 --> 01:16:47.880
<v Speaker 3>out of his mouth is, why wasn't it live Tyler

1569
01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:48.760
<v Speaker 3>at the end of Hope.

1570
01:16:49.399 --> 01:16:52.359
<v Speaker 1>Still have no idea. Still, if you're gonna have her

1571
01:16:52.520 --> 01:16:55.920
<v Speaker 1>in the movie, why not have her in the movie?

1572
01:16:56.319 --> 01:17:00.199
<v Speaker 1>I still don't get it. And it's Marvel just again,

1573
01:17:00.239 --> 01:17:01.239
<v Speaker 1>they go all the way up to the edge and

1574
01:17:01.239 --> 01:17:03.479
<v Speaker 1>they just don't commit. Why not? You guys have so

1575
01:17:03.560 --> 01:17:05.399
<v Speaker 1>much you know what, you have so much money, you

1576
01:17:05.399 --> 01:17:08.119
<v Speaker 1>can you can afford to make a mistake, you know how.

1577
01:17:08.199 --> 01:17:13.000
<v Speaker 1>I know Jonathan Jonathan Major's being recast and pivoting didn't

1578
01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:16.359
<v Speaker 1>cost them that much money. Quantum Mania was like the

1579
01:17:16.399 --> 01:17:18.880
<v Speaker 1>biggest failure they've had, but it's still wasn't that big

1580
01:17:18.880 --> 01:17:21.840
<v Speaker 1>of a failure. Ultimately, more critically it was a failure

1581
01:17:21.880 --> 01:17:25.279
<v Speaker 1>than it was financially, Like, Marvel can afford to make mistakes.

1582
01:17:25.319 --> 01:17:27.479
<v Speaker 1>I don't even understand why they don't commit. What's just

1583
01:17:27.640 --> 01:17:30.439
<v Speaker 1>like if anyone can commit, Marvel can commit because they

1584
01:17:30.479 --> 01:17:32.720
<v Speaker 1>have the mouse money. They have the money to commit.

1585
01:17:33.079 --> 01:17:35.600
<v Speaker 2>The crazy thing is like they announced they're doing Guardians

1586
01:17:35.600 --> 01:17:37.560
<v Speaker 2>of the Galaxy, and everyone's like, who and what the

1587
01:17:37.560 --> 01:17:39.159
<v Speaker 2>fuck are you guys doing? Like what do you think?

1588
01:17:39.159 --> 01:17:41.199
<v Speaker 2>We're just going to accept anything you throw our way?

1589
01:17:41.359 --> 01:17:43.800
<v Speaker 2>But then they actually gave us a good movie because

1590
01:17:43.800 --> 01:17:45.640
<v Speaker 2>those are good characters and you can do that, you

1591
01:17:45.640 --> 01:17:48.279
<v Speaker 2>can have a team, and you can you know, do

1592
01:17:48.359 --> 01:17:51.760
<v Speaker 2>it that way. Why they aren't, like you're saying, Chris,

1593
01:17:51.800 --> 01:17:54.279
<v Speaker 2>why they aren't just letting somebody like have a vision

1594
01:17:54.279 --> 01:17:56.960
<v Speaker 2>and go fucking with it. Because maybe it's because they're

1595
01:17:56.960 --> 01:17:59.079
<v Speaker 2>all too tied up now with all of the fucking

1596
01:17:59.119 --> 01:18:01.600
<v Speaker 2>mythology and everything has to fucking connect here and there

1597
01:18:01.640 --> 01:18:05.319
<v Speaker 2>and wherever. Like I don't know, it hamstrings this movie,

1598
01:18:05.479 --> 01:18:07.960
<v Speaker 2>like what you said Mike earlier, like about when this

1599
01:18:08.039 --> 01:18:10.880
<v Speaker 2>movie comes out on cable and whatever. Like, yes, I'm

1600
01:18:10.920 --> 01:18:13.680
<v Speaker 2>definitely gonna watch it again. I'll probably watch starting an

1601
01:18:13.720 --> 01:18:15.920
<v Speaker 2>hour in though, because that's where the movie gets good.

1602
01:18:16.039 --> 01:18:19.359
<v Speaker 2>I'll definitely'll watch anything else where they've got an established team,

1603
01:18:19.439 --> 01:18:22.079
<v Speaker 2>the New Avengers. They want to do a New Avengers movie. Fuck, yeah,

1604
01:18:22.119 --> 01:18:25.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm on board. But like that meandering bullshit of the

1605
01:18:25.680 --> 01:18:27.840
<v Speaker 2>first hour of this movie, Like I don't get it,

1606
01:18:27.960 --> 01:18:30.399
<v Speaker 2>and I don't get why they aren't more focused and

1607
01:18:31.079 --> 01:18:34.640
<v Speaker 2>more free considering like we've said, they're gonna wipe everybody

1608
01:18:34.640 --> 01:18:35.239
<v Speaker 2>out anyway.

1609
01:18:35.840 --> 01:18:39.359
<v Speaker 1>Yes, hey, yeah, I don't even you know, there's part

1610
01:18:39.399 --> 01:18:41.319
<v Speaker 1>of me that doesn't even think that the versions of

1611
01:18:41.319 --> 01:18:43.359
<v Speaker 1>the Fantastic Four that we have are gonna end up

1612
01:18:43.399 --> 01:18:46.840
<v Speaker 1>being the version Fantastic for and moving forward, there's a

1613
01:18:46.880 --> 01:18:49.079
<v Speaker 1>distinct given that they've a given that we've already seen

1614
01:18:49.159 --> 01:18:51.760
<v Speaker 1>two different read Richards, because now Pedro Pascal is read

1615
01:18:51.800 --> 01:18:55.520
<v Speaker 1>Richard's number two, because we've seen that the Zoom, the

1616
01:18:55.600 --> 01:18:59.119
<v Speaker 1>Zoom meeting John Krasinski, mister Fantastic, which you can't convince

1617
01:18:59.159 --> 01:19:03.399
<v Speaker 1>me wasn't just exteriorly from everything in that movie.

1618
01:19:03.720 --> 01:19:07.039
<v Speaker 2>I would and they can bring in Griffith fucking from

1619
01:19:07.039 --> 01:19:09.760
<v Speaker 2>the original, you know exactly.

1620
01:19:09.960 --> 01:19:13.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think I'm not even sure Pedro Pascal and

1621
01:19:13.079 --> 01:19:17.119
<v Speaker 1>then make it past you know, doomsday. I wouldn't be

1622
01:19:17.119 --> 01:19:20.279
<v Speaker 1>surprised if they get iced with the rest of the characters.

1623
01:19:20.319 --> 01:19:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Like that's and that's why for me. Yeah, to your point,

1624
01:19:23.000 --> 01:19:25.439
<v Speaker 1>Father Malone, like just give somebody free rein to do

1625
01:19:25.520 --> 01:19:28.800
<v Speaker 1>something after this. If this is what everything now has

1626
01:19:28.840 --> 01:19:31.840
<v Speaker 1>been leading to an endgame was just the half way point,

1627
01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:34.640
<v Speaker 1>and then you can and you can somehow land the

1628
01:19:34.680 --> 01:19:37.000
<v Speaker 1>ship and make it seem like this was all leading

1629
01:19:37.039 --> 01:19:40.079
<v Speaker 1>to this, which like good luck Russo brothers, good luck

1630
01:19:41.079 --> 01:19:43.199
<v Speaker 1>if you can land the ship and reset and hit

1631
01:19:43.239 --> 01:19:46.359
<v Speaker 1>that reset button hard and real hard, and on the

1632
01:19:46.399 --> 01:19:48.760
<v Speaker 1>other end of it gives some people some room to

1633
01:19:48.800 --> 01:19:53.000
<v Speaker 1>play with things because now we have this pre kind

1634
01:19:53.000 --> 01:19:56.239
<v Speaker 1>of pre accepted mythology who everybody who's seen the MCU

1635
01:19:56.279 --> 01:19:58.079
<v Speaker 1>can watch from the beginning and then get to this

1636
01:19:58.119 --> 01:20:00.560
<v Speaker 1>point where things can start anew but also as a

1637
01:20:00.600 --> 01:20:03.199
<v Speaker 1>new spot to bring new people in who don't have

1638
01:20:03.239 --> 01:20:07.479
<v Speaker 1>to see thirty five goddamn movies and thirty five TV

1639
01:20:07.560 --> 01:20:11.680
<v Speaker 1>shows worth of shit good because this is getting stale,

1640
01:20:11.720 --> 01:20:14.359
<v Speaker 1>it's getting old, and the multiverse of it all like

1641
01:20:14.399 --> 01:20:16.640
<v Speaker 1>you backed yourselves into a corner. This is your own

1642
01:20:16.640 --> 01:20:19.199
<v Speaker 1>goddamn fault. If you didn't want to do this, you

1643
01:20:19.239 --> 01:20:22.520
<v Speaker 1>should never have done it. But those Spider Man, those

1644
01:20:22.560 --> 01:20:25.159
<v Speaker 1>Three Spider Man, that money was too good. It was

1645
01:20:25.199 --> 01:20:27.520
<v Speaker 1>too good to pass up that Spider Man, the Three

1646
01:20:27.520 --> 01:20:29.399
<v Speaker 1>Spider Man in a movie. Money, it was too good

1647
01:20:29.399 --> 01:20:31.399
<v Speaker 1>to pass it up. That's what this that's what this

1648
01:20:31.520 --> 01:20:35.239
<v Speaker 1>stinks of. Still, they did the whole multiverse thing there

1649
01:20:35.479 --> 01:20:36.880
<v Speaker 1>and then they were like, well, now we can do

1650
01:20:36.920 --> 01:20:40.319
<v Speaker 1>it everywhere, and they have not done anything with it

1651
01:20:40.359 --> 01:20:42.680
<v Speaker 1>since that's the best use of the multiverse on top

1652
01:20:42.720 --> 01:20:45.319
<v Speaker 1>of everything else, And that's the first time they did

1653
01:20:45.319 --> 01:20:49.119
<v Speaker 1>it the first time, and the probably the second best

1654
01:20:49.119 --> 01:20:50.600
<v Speaker 1>time they're going to do it is in the next

1655
01:20:50.680 --> 01:20:54.279
<v Speaker 1>fucking Doomsday and maybe Fantastic four. And you know what,

1656
01:20:54.319 --> 01:20:56.680
<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of movies in between that reference

1657
01:20:56.720 --> 01:21:01.199
<v Speaker 1>the multiverse or spend time talking about it, and I

1658
01:21:01.399 --> 01:21:04.119
<v Speaker 1>just I'm so ready for this to course correct in

1659
01:21:04.159 --> 01:21:08.720
<v Speaker 1>a meaningful way. I really am, because I because, like

1660
01:21:08.760 --> 01:21:11.600
<v Speaker 1>you said, there's something about these movies that I inherently

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy and I don't want them going anywhere. I don't

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01:21:14.600 --> 01:21:18.439
<v Speaker 1>like enjoy these movies way too much. Bring back Captain America,

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<v Speaker 1>Bring back Chris Evans. On the other side of this,

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<v Speaker 1>you want to reboot it, have him open his eyes

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<v Speaker 1>at you know, and the start of a new day

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever the fuck. I don't know, you know what.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be there for them, but you gotta you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>get us. That's a pretty tall, almost vertical clickface to

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01:21:35.199 --> 01:21:37.279
<v Speaker 1>get up. And you know what, the Russo Brothers and

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01:21:37.640 --> 01:21:42.039
<v Speaker 1>Robert Downey Junior, I've seen them. I've seen those two

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01:21:42.079 --> 01:21:44.760
<v Speaker 1>Avengers movies, and they work way better than they have

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01:21:44.840 --> 01:21:48.880
<v Speaker 1>any to now in retrost. It really work a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>But like that move those movies, if you've watched them recently.

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<v Speaker 1>They have so many moving parts like and nay, and

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01:21:54.520 --> 01:21:56.840
<v Speaker 1>it's it works way better than these movies do, which

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01:21:56.880 --> 01:21:59.000
<v Speaker 1>have if not as many moving parts, but more in

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of ways. Yeah, I'm I'm ready for this

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01:22:03.359 --> 01:22:06.920
<v Speaker 1>to be over and done with with this timeline and

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01:22:06.960 --> 01:22:09.319
<v Speaker 1>them to start with something fresh. And I hope that

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<v Speaker 1>they actually take an opportunity to do that, because the

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<v Speaker 1>fantastic for a movie, whatever happens at the end of

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01:22:14.560 --> 01:22:16.680
<v Speaker 1>that movie, we can't unsee that. And this is the

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<v Speaker 1>last recording before that.

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<v Speaker 3>So Chris euding that you just said, I completely agree with.

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<v Speaker 3>I am so done with this timeline and I just

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<v Speaker 3>want everything to be over.

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<v Speaker 1>But timeline, yes, present, God, my god, the timeline where

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<v Speaker 1>all of the properties rites are split between multiple different

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01:22:39.720 --> 01:22:43.800
<v Speaker 1>companies because the company that owned them was, you know,

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01:22:44.119 --> 01:22:46.560
<v Speaker 1>unaware of how to do anything in film with them,

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01:22:46.600 --> 01:22:51.359
<v Speaker 1>while DC spent thirty years making movies. So I'm glad

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01:22:51.359 --> 01:22:53.720
<v Speaker 1>Marble finally got there backt together and made movies of

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01:22:53.840 --> 01:22:58.239
<v Speaker 1>quality and that we have the MCU. But yeah, I'm

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01:22:58.239 --> 01:23:01.159
<v Speaker 1>starting to sour on this and they pulled up hard enough,

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01:23:01.199 --> 01:23:04.079
<v Speaker 1>and this is mean, this is that opportunity from here

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<v Speaker 1>on out. And I really was hoping Thunderbolts would go

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01:23:07.159 --> 01:23:10.760
<v Speaker 1>further because of what everybody knows is coming. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen like pre production art for Doomsday and the

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01:23:15.000 --> 01:23:17.680
<v Speaker 1>movie afterwards. I can't even explain what the fuck they're

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01:23:17.720 --> 01:23:21.000
<v Speaker 1>going for, Like I don't even know, Like how do

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01:23:21.079 --> 01:23:24.439
<v Speaker 1>you get to that point? So I'm on board. Just

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01:23:24.720 --> 01:23:27.279
<v Speaker 1>don't pretend like that's not what you're doing, because everybody

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01:23:27.319 --> 01:23:29.159
<v Speaker 1>and their mother knows that that's what you're doing.

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<v Speaker 3>And Ben Attic cumber Matches and playing con don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not all right?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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01:23:37.760 --> 01:23:38.960
<v Speaker 3>Why would you think that?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 5>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>John John John Walker whatever hist what his character's name

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01:23:43.840 --> 01:23:47.840
<v Speaker 1>is in this something so you know, like, oh why yeah, ghost.

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<v Speaker 3>Makes it to the earth, not ghost, but makes it

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<v Speaker 3>to the end of the film. A weak wink, gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 3>Any of the last thoughts? Are we just good to

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01:23:58.039 --> 01:23:59.199
<v Speaker 3>talk about what we're working on?

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<v Speaker 2>Now? Let's do that, all right?

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<v Speaker 3>Father Malone? What are you working on these days? Oh?

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01:24:05.720 --> 01:24:09.199
<v Speaker 2>Check out everything I do over at midnight viewing HP.

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01:24:09.479 --> 01:24:12.920
<v Speaker 2>They are my co host from night, mister Walters and

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01:24:13.560 --> 01:24:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Noise Junkies. He and I are currently involved in the

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01:24:15.960 --> 01:24:19.039
<v Speaker 2>Fusco Fest we're looking at the works of John Fusco, screenwriter.

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01:24:19.119 --> 01:24:22.640
<v Speaker 2>We've already covered Crossroads and Young Guns and Young Guns too,

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01:24:23.000 --> 01:24:24.800
<v Speaker 2>and by the time this comes out, our next episode

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01:24:24.800 --> 01:24:28.399
<v Speaker 2>this coming Friday, is about Thunderheart, the Valal Kilmer, a

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01:24:28.479 --> 01:24:33.640
<v Speaker 2>Native American FBI thriller from ninety two. I believe check

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<v Speaker 2>me out over there.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw that at the theater the Erort. Yeah, and Chris,

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<v Speaker 3>how about yourself?

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<v Speaker 1>Ridingwaymedia dot com is where you can find all the

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01:24:43.079 --> 01:24:47.000
<v Speaker 1>things that I work on or promote. Like Father Malone

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01:24:47.000 --> 01:24:49.199
<v Speaker 1>said his show Midnight Viewing, you can find that over there.

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01:24:49.239 --> 01:24:51.239
<v Speaker 1>You can find Mike's show, the Projection Booth over there.

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01:24:51.279 --> 01:24:54.720
<v Speaker 1>You can find Sharon and Susan's show Eighties TV Ladies

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01:24:54.760 --> 01:24:57.279
<v Speaker 1>over there as well. God, I'm twisted it on cork

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<v Speaker 1>to that, Father Malone mentioned HP's Noise Junkie, which is

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<v Speaker 1>now HP is Noise Junkies. Yeah, you can find all

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01:25:03.279 --> 01:25:06.720
<v Speaker 1>that a weirding Way Media and Patreon dot com, slash Culture, Cast,

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01:25:06.800 --> 01:25:10.199
<v Speaker 1>Projection Booth, and Father Alone. Because you know, if you can,

1739
01:25:10.319 --> 01:25:11.560
<v Speaker 1>if you like what we do and you think that

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01:25:11.680 --> 01:25:13.720
<v Speaker 1>add some value to your life, you know, kicked a

1741
01:25:13.760 --> 01:25:15.640
<v Speaker 1>couple of dollars our way. If not, just like, rate

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01:25:15.680 --> 01:25:19.680
<v Speaker 1>and review anything that you interact with on whatever platform

1743
01:25:19.680 --> 01:25:22.000
<v Speaker 1>you get it on podcasts, preferably Apple.

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<v Speaker 3>And Yeah, I have nothing to add. I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 3>do my usual spiel.