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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, everybody. Core use bloody history. So we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to continue on with this article the inquest no housekeeping

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<v Speaker 1>or nothing, let's just hop right back into it. An

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<v Speaker 1>intriguing entry in Oswald's address book is the word micro dots,

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<v Speaker 1>appearing on the page on which he has notated the

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<v Speaker 1>address and phone number of Jagger Childs Stovall. Micro Dots

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<v Speaker 1>are a clandestine means of communication developed by German intelligence

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<v Speaker 1>during World War Two and still in general use among

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<v Speaker 1>espionage agencies. The technique is to photograph the document to

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<v Speaker 1>be transmitted and vastly reduce the negative to the size

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<v Speaker 1>that will fit inside a period. The microdot can be

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<v Speaker 1>inserted in an innocuous letter or magazine and mailed or

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<v Speaker 1>left in a dead drop, a pre arranged location for

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<v Speaker 1>the deposit and pickup of messages. Thus, it may be

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<v Speaker 1>significant that Oswald obtained library cards in Dallas and New

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<v Speaker 1>Orleans and usually visited the libraries on Thursday. The possible

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<v Speaker 1>implication of his visits was not overlooked by the FBI,

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<v Speaker 1>which confiscated every book he ever charged out and never

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<v Speaker 1>returned them. Ooh ooh, what a fucking bunch of collectibles

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<v Speaker 1>that would be right the books Oswald checked out of

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<v Speaker 1>the library that were seized by the FBI. I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>what happened to those books. A piece that may fit

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<v Speaker 1>into the puzzle is the discovery by Garrison of an

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<v Speaker 1>adult borrower's card issued by the New Orleans Public Library

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<v Speaker 1>in the name Clem Bertrand. The business address shown is

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<v Speaker 1>the international trademark Shaw's former place of employment, and the

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<v Speaker 1>home address thirty one hundred Louisiana Avenue Parkway, a wrong number,

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<v Speaker 1>but conspicuously close to that of David Ferry at thirty

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<v Speaker 1>three to thirty Louisiana Avenue Parkway. There may be a

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<v Speaker 1>pattern here, since Oswald supposedly cared a card issued to

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<v Speaker 1>Ferry when arrested in Dallas. Still, another hint of Oswald's

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<v Speaker 1>intelligence status is the inventory of his property seized by

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<v Speaker 1>Dallas police after the assassination. Included as such sophisticated optical

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<v Speaker 1>equipment as a stereo realist camera, a hans A camera

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<v Speaker 1>timer filters, a small German camera and Wolensack fifteen power telescope,

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<v Speaker 1>Micron six ex binoculars, and a variety of film, hardly

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<v Speaker 1>the usual accouterments of a lowly warehouseman. Stoveall exhibits upon

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<v Speaker 1>his return from Russia. The man who subscribed to Pravda

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<v Speaker 1>in the Marine Corps, and I didn't know it was Provda.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was the Worker or something else in

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<v Speaker 1>the Marine Corps and lectured his fellow Marines on Marxist dialects.

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<v Speaker 1>Set about institutionalizing his leftist facade. He wrote ingratiating letters

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<v Speaker 1>to the national headquarters of the Communist Party fair Play

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<v Speaker 1>for Cuba Committee and Socialist Workers Party. A copy of

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<v Speaker 1>the famous snapshot of Oswald with a revolver on his hip,

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<v Speaker 1>a rifle in one hand in the party organ the

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<v Speaker 1>militant in the other was mailed to the SWP office

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<v Speaker 1>in New York in April of nineteen sixty three. Garrison

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<v Speaker 1>believes that facade was intended to facilitate his entry into

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<v Speaker 1>communist countries for special missions. Yes, yes, yes, yes, um,

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<v Speaker 1>there is ah. This is kind of I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what word this is sur fit, sir, fate of indications

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<v Speaker 1>of Oswald's status. Something story of Donald P. Norton, who

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<v Speaker 1>claims he was impressed into the Agency Service in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty seven under the threat of exposure as a homosexual.

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<v Speaker 1>So this too, Donald P. Norton's in this story. Believe

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<v Speaker 1>it or not, there's this Donald P. Norton. I think

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<v Speaker 1>who he's talking about, and is another one who comes

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<v Speaker 1>forward connected to the Harvey and Lee story, So too

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<v Speaker 1>Donald P. Norton's. In September nineteen sixty two, Norton related

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<v Speaker 1>that he was dispatched from Atlanta to Mexico at fifty

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars for anti Castro groups. He had no sooner

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<v Speaker 1>registered in the Yamaye Jelle Hotel in Monterey, Mexico, per

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<v Speaker 1>instructions than he was contacted by one Harvey Lee, a

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<v Speaker 1>dead ringer for Oswald, accepted his hair seem slightly thicker.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh.

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<v Speaker 1>In exchange for the money, Lee gave him a briefcase

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<v Speaker 1>containing documents in Manila envelopes. According to Plan, Norton delivered

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<v Speaker 1>the briefcase to an employee of an American oil firm

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<v Speaker 1>in Calgary, Alberta, who was repeated who repeated the passphrase

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<v Speaker 1>the weather is very warm in Tulsa. Norton also contends

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<v Speaker 1>he met David Ferry earlier in his CIA career. In

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<v Speaker 1>early nineteen fifty eight, he was tapped for a courier

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<v Speaker 1>trip to Cuba and told to meet his contact at

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<v Speaker 1>the Eastern Airlines counter at the Atlanta Airport. The contact

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<v Speaker 1>was a singular appearing man who called himself Hugh Ferris

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<v Speaker 1>or Ferris. Norton now states it was Ferry. Here are

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<v Speaker 1>your samples, Ferry remarked, handing Norton a phonograph record. It's

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<v Speaker 1>in the jacket. It was one hundred and fifty thousand dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>which Norton duly delivered to a Cuban television performer in Havana.

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<v Speaker 1>Norton asserts he went to Freeport Grand Bahamas on an

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<v Speaker 1>agency assignment in late nineteen sixty six, and upon his

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<v Speaker 1>return to Miami, his contact instructed that something was happening

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<v Speaker 1>in New Orleans and that I Norton should take a long,

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<v Speaker 1>quiet vacation. He did, and started to fret about people

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<v Speaker 1>who have died in recent months like Ferry, then decided

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<v Speaker 1>to contact Garrison. Norton was given a lie detector test,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was no indications of deception. Ferry's involvement with

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<v Speaker 1>CIA seems to stem mainly from his anti Castro paramilitary activity,

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<v Speaker 1>although there is a suggestion that he was at one

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<v Speaker 1>time a pilot for the agency. In the late nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>forties and early nineteen fifties, he flew light planes commercially

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<v Speaker 1>in the Cleveland, Ohio area. It was raided by his

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<v Speaker 1>colleagues as an outstanding pilot in the middle nineteen fifties,

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<v Speaker 1>as an untraceable gap in his career. Then he turns

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<v Speaker 1>up as an Eastern Airlines pilot. Although he supposedly obtained

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<v Speaker 1>an instrument rating at the Sunnyside Flying School in Tampa, Florida,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no record that any such school ever existed. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>he definitely lived in Tampa in forty nine. We have

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<v Speaker 1>the confirmation from Eastern Airlines of his IRS records, which

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<v Speaker 1>said he was married and had two dependents at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Eastern Airlines finds the information on David W.

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<v Speaker 1>Ferry Junior, and they got that information basically because they

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<v Speaker 1>ran the license plates of cars that went to David

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<v Speaker 1>Ferry's apartment, and one of the license plates came back

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<v Speaker 1>to David W. Ferry Junior. It wasn't in New Orleans,

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<v Speaker 1>it was one of the suburbs. I don't remember which

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<v Speaker 1>one offhand, but that's a fascinating piece of trivia that

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<v Speaker 1>no one's ever really discussed or talked about. So you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking late sixty two, early sixty three. David Ferry has

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<v Speaker 1>a car in his driveway with the license plate registered

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<v Speaker 1>to a David W. Ferry Junior who lives in Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it was Alexandria. I don't recall. I'll have to double check,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's super significant, super significant. I don't know why

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<v Speaker 1>David Ferry Junior would be in touch with David Ferry

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<v Speaker 1>Senior and there would be like no record of it

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<v Speaker 1>other than the Eastern Airlines investigation. Why are they hiding

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<v Speaker 1>David Ferry Junior's activities? So continue on. A clue to

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<v Speaker 1>Fairy's activities may lie and the loss of Harry suffered.

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<v Speaker 1>A fellow employee at Eastern recalls that when Fairy first

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<v Speaker 1>joined the line, he was handsome and friendly, but in

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<v Speaker 1>the end became moody and paranoiac, afraid the Communists were

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<v Speaker 1>out to get him. The personality change coincided with a

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<v Speaker 1>gradual loss of hair. First, a bald spot appeared, which

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<v Speaker 1>Fairy explained was caused by acid dripping from a plane

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<v Speaker 1>a plane battery. Then the hair began falling out in clumps.

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<v Speaker 1>Fairy desperately studied medicine to try to halt the process

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<v Speaker 1>until his body was entirely devoid of hair. One speculation

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<v Speaker 1>is that he was moonlighting and suffered a psychological reaction

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<v Speaker 1>to exposure to the extreme altitudes required for clandestine flights.

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese Nationalists U two pilots reportedly have suffered the same

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<v Speaker 1>hair loss phenomenon. I think this one particular column here

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<v Speaker 1>is we already read through this earlier. I'll just go

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<v Speaker 1>through it again. One of Fairy's covert tasks in New

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<v Speaker 1>Orleans area was to drill small teams in guerrilla warfare.

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<v Speaker 1>One of his young protegees had revealed that he had

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<v Speaker 1>trained some of his CAAP cadets and Cubans and formed

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<v Speaker 1>them into five man small weapons units, this under the

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<v Speaker 1>auspices of the Marine Corps and State Department. Coupled with

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<v Speaker 1>this the information from another former protege that Faery confided

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<v Speaker 1>that he was working for the CIA rescuing Cubans out

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<v Speaker 1>of Castro's prisons, and on one occasion was called to

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<v Speaker 1>Miami so that the CIA could test him and see

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<v Speaker 1>what the type of person he was who told his

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<v Speaker 1>business to anybody. In a speech before the Military Order

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<v Speaker 1>of World wars in New Orleans and late sixty one,

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<v Speaker 1>Fairy related that he had piloted trained pilots in Guatemala

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<v Speaker 1>for the Bay of Pigs and professed bitter disappointment they

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<v Speaker 1>were not used. All right, all right, this looks I

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<v Speaker 1>think this is new. What pages is on doesn't indicate.

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<v Speaker 1>The probe refocused on Ferry, and on December fifteenth, he

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<v Speaker 1>was brought in for further questioning. Asked pertinent details of

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<v Speaker 1>the whirlwind Texas trip in sixty three, he begged lack

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<v Speaker 1>of memory and referred as questioners to the FBI. What

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<v Speaker 1>about the goose hunting? We did, in fact get to

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<v Speaker 1>where the geese were, But there were thousands he re counted,

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<v Speaker 1>but you couldn't approach him. They were a wise bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of birds. Pressed for details on what took place at

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<v Speaker 1>the ice rink, Ferry became irritated ice skate. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you think? He snapped. It didn't take the DA's men

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<v Speaker 1>long to poke holes in Fairiy's theory. Melvin Coffee, one

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<v Speaker 1>of his companions on the sixty three Texas trip, deposed

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<v Speaker 1>that it was not a sudden inspiration. Well, Coffee wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>on that trip. The trip was arranged beforehand, Yes, how

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<v Speaker 1>long before a couple of days? That's a quote, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way. The probers also determined that no one had

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<v Speaker 1>taken along any shotguns on the goose hunting trip in Houston.

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<v Speaker 1>The ice skating alibi was similarly discredited. In nineteen sixty three,

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI interviewed Chuck Roland, proprietor of the Winterland Skating Rink.

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<v Speaker 1>Ferry contacted him by telephone. Notice how they skipped over

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<v Speaker 1>his first name there. Fairy contacted him by telephone November

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<v Speaker 1>twenty second, sixty three and asked for the skating schedule.

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<v Speaker 1>A Bureau report, one of the few unclassified documents on Ferry,

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<v Speaker 1>reveals mister Ferry stated that he was coming in from

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<v Speaker 1>out of town and desired to do some skating while

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<v Speaker 1>in Houston. On November twenty third, sixty three, between three

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<v Speaker 1>thirty and five thirty pm, mister Ferry and two companions

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<v Speaker 1>came to the rink and talked to mister Roland. The

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<v Speaker 1>report continues that Ferry and Roland had a short general

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<v Speaker 1>conversation and that Ferry remarked that he and his companions

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<v Speaker 1>would be in and out of the skating rink during

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<v Speaker 1>the Weekend commissioned Document three ZHO one. When Garrison's men

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<v Speaker 1>recently talked to Roland, they obtained pertinent facts that the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI had either missed or failed to report in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty three. Roland was certain that none of the three

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<v Speaker 1>men in Ferri's party had ice skated. Ah, that's false.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not what he said. He said two of them

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<v Speaker 1>I skated and Ferry did not. That's what he told him.

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<v Speaker 1>So this article is clearly wrong. Ferry had spent the

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<v Speaker 1>entire two hours he was at the rank, standing by

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<v Speaker 1>the payphone, and finally received a call and made some calls.

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<v Speaker 1>At Houston International Airport, more information was gleaned. Air service

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<v Speaker 1>personnel seemed to recall that in nineteen sixty three, Ferry

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<v Speaker 1>had access to an airplane based in Houston. In this craft,

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<v Speaker 1>the flight to Matamoros would take little more than an hour.

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<v Speaker 1>Ferry had patently lied about the purpose of the trip.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the standard tactics of bank robbers is to

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<v Speaker 1>escape from the scene of the crime in a hot

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<v Speaker 1>car that cannot be traced to them, then switched to

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<v Speaker 1>a cold car of their own to complete the getaway.

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<v Speaker 1>Garrison considers it possible that Ferry may have been the

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<v Speaker 1>pilot of the second craft in a two stage escape

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<v Speaker 1>of the Dallas assassins to south of the border. That's

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<v Speaker 1>complete fucking fantasy nonsense, or may have been slated to

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<v Speaker 1>be a backup pilot in the event contingency plans were activated.

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<v Speaker 1>Did Ferry know Oswald the pilot denied it, but the

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<v Speaker 1>evidence mounts that he did. For example, there's now in

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<v Speaker 1>Garrison's hands information that when Oswald was arrested by Dallas police,

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<v Speaker 1>he had in his possession a current New Orleans Library

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<v Speaker 1>card issued to David Ferry. That is completely false. I've

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<v Speaker 1>dug deep into this story. It is complete nonsense. There

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<v Speaker 1>was possibly a rumor that went around to this, but

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<v Speaker 1>this didn't occur. I don't even know why the hell

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<v Speaker 1>they made this shit up. It definitely did not happen.

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<v Speaker 1>I do not believe the person we know is Oswald

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<v Speaker 1>was interacting with David Ferry whatsoever. There's no reason for

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<v Speaker 1>him to have had his library card period. Reinforcing the

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<v Speaker 1>validity of this information is a Secret Service report on

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<v Speaker 1>the questioning of Ferry by that agency when he was

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<v Speaker 1>in federal custody in sixty three during an otherwise mild interrogation.

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<v Speaker 1>Ferry was asked, strangely enough, if he lent his library

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<v Speaker 1>card to Oswald. No, he replied, producing a card from

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<v Speaker 1>the New Orleans Public Library in the name of doctor

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<v Speaker 1>David Ferry. That card had expired, so David Ferry had

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<v Speaker 1>his library card on him. So this whole story is nonsense.

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<v Speaker 1>It was probably. Oh so it was Jack Martin. I forgot.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Jack Martin. Bullshit. Jack Martin when he called

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI and told him about David Ferry being in

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<v Speaker 1>Fort Worth two days before the assassination and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe at that point in time he told him

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<v Speaker 1>that he had David Ferry's library card. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>is the origin of this entire thing. It's bullshit from

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Martin when he realized he was a suspect in

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<v Speaker 1>Garrison's current investigation. Faerry seemed to deteriorate by the time

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<v Speaker 1>he died on February twenty second, nineteen sixty seven. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a nervous wreck, subsisting on endless cigarettes and cups

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<v Speaker 1>of coffee, and had enough tranquilizers to pacify an army.

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<v Speaker 1>He had sought out the press only days before his death,

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<v Speaker 1>labeling the probe a fraud and complaining that he was

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<v Speaker 1>the victim of a witch hunt. I suppose he has

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose he has me. There is a quote. I

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<v Speaker 1>suppose he has me, And then it seems to cut off,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it picks up again. No number twenty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>It is twenty second sixty three. There were many men

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<v Speaker 1>in many places glancing at their watches. But if we

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<v Speaker 1>do not fight for the truth now, we may never

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<v Speaker 1>have another chance. Yeah, so it looks like it was

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<v Speaker 1>this little column missing. Oh here it is, Okay, here

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<v Speaker 1>we go. I suppose he has me pegged as a

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<v Speaker 1>getaway pilot, he remarked bitterly. When Garrison delivered his epitaph

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<v Speaker 1>of Ferry as one of history's most important individuals. Most

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<v Speaker 1>of the press winked knowingly. The probe was, after all,

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<v Speaker 1>a publicity stunt, and the DA had his headlines. Now

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<v Speaker 1>that his prime suspect had conveniently passed away, he had

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<v Speaker 1>the perfect excuse to inter his probe alongside the deceased pilot.

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<v Speaker 1>But for DA Jim Garrison, it was not the end

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<v Speaker 1>but the beginning. The FBI clear as a suspect on

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<v Speaker 1>the morning after the assassination. As the nation lay stunned

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<v Speaker 1>by grief, Garrison summoned his staff for the office for

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<v Speaker 1>a brainstorming session to explore the post disability that Lee

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<v Speaker 1>Harvey Oswald had accomplices in New Orleans, where the previous

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<v Speaker 1>summer he had stumped the streets advocating fair play for Cuba.

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<v Speaker 1>DA's men put out feelers into the city's netherworld, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was first assistant DA Frank Klein who registered the feedback. First,

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<v Speaker 1>a slight furtive sometime private eye named Jack S. Martin

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<v Speaker 1>confided that David William Ferry had taken off on a

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<v Speaker 1>sudden trip to Texas the afternoon of the assassination. The

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<v Speaker 1>tipster knew Fairy well, although there was bad blood between them.

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<v Speaker 1>Both had worked intermittently for the same detective firm W

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<v Speaker 1>Guy Banister and Associates, and were affiliated with the Apostolic

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<v Speaker 1>Orthodox Old Catholic Church, a sect steeped in theological anti communism.

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<v Speaker 1>An exceptionally skilled pilot, Ferry had been dismissed from Eastern

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<v Speaker 1>Airlines in nineteen sixty two due to publicity over alleged

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<v Speaker 1>homosexual activities. According to Martin, Ferry had commanded a Civil

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<v Speaker 1>Air Patrol Squadron, of which Oswald had once been a member.

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<v Speaker 1>He had taught Oswald to shoot with a telescopic sight

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<v Speaker 1>and had become involved with his protege in an assassination plot.

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<v Speaker 1>Less than two weeks before the target date, Ferry had

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<v Speaker 1>made a trip to Dallas. His assigned role in the assassination,

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<v Speaker 1>Martin said was to fly the escaping conspirators to Matamoros, Mexico,

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<v Speaker 1>near Brownsville, Texas. When Ferry returned to New Orleans on

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<v Speaker 1>the Monday following President Kennedy's death, he was interrogated by

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<v Speaker 1>the DA's office. He said his trip had been arranged

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<v Speaker 1>on the spur of the moment with two companions, Alvin

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<v Speaker 1>Boboo and Melvin Coffee. I still wonder why he tried

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<v Speaker 1>to protect Layton Martin's and leave him out of it

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<v Speaker 1>when it was clearly lighton Martins who went on the trip.

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<v Speaker 1>He had driven straight through Houston Friday night. On Saturday afternoon,

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<v Speaker 1>the three skated at an ice rank. That evening, they

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<v Speaker 1>made the short jog to Galveston and hunted geese Sunday morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday afternoon, they headed back to New Orleans, but detoured

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<v Speaker 1>to Alexandria, Louisiana to visit relatives of Bo Boof.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting there's no interviews of Bob Boof's relatives at

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<v Speaker 1>all that are basically unacknowledged in this tale. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think that'd be pretty goddamn important, wouldn't you think so, Alexandria,

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<v Speaker 1>The FBI really dug into this hotel that was there

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<v Speaker 1>that they knew that clay Shaw had stayed at in

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<v Speaker 1>the past. They dug into that hotel. Garrison has some

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<v Speaker 1>notations on it, but a lot of effort was put

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<v Speaker 1>into that, and there there's no outcome of what they determined.

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<v Speaker 1>So one thing that I find, and it slaps me

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<v Speaker 1>in the face more and more the longer I do this.

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<v Speaker 1>That when you go into Garrison's files or even the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI or wherever, and there's like a ton of effort

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<v Speaker 1>put into something, or a ton of effort put into someone,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it goes nowhere, there's usually something more there

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<v Speaker 1>than meets the eye. Right now, I'm looking into James Leuallen.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm beginning to look into James Leuallen. He was a

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<v Speaker 1>friend of in New Orleans. He's the Jimmy referenced in

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<v Speaker 1>the Dear Bastard letter, and there was a decent amount

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<v Speaker 1>of effort put into researching his background and stuff, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm starting to think there was more to it

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<v Speaker 1>than he was just a friend of Fairies. The amount

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<v Speaker 1>of effort they put into him is telling me that

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<v Speaker 1>there was something there that they were aware of. And

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<v Speaker 1>so my kind of initial take on him was he

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<v Speaker 1>worked in the car rental business at the time, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I kind of had a suspicion that perhaps he

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<v Speaker 1>maybe rented some of the cars that were used in

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<v Speaker 1>this plot that I can't seem to like get a

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<v Speaker 1>grip on who the owner was or whatnot, Right, like

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<v Speaker 1>the light colored Ford Falcon station wagon. No idea who

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<v Speaker 1>owned that Nune because all the records of it have

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<v Speaker 1>Fairies Mercury Comment license plate on it, right, So I

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of assumed that I don't even want to

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<v Speaker 1>say assumed, assume it's too strong overword, but I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of had the inkling that James le Well was perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>involved in renting some of the cars that we can't identify,

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<v Speaker 1>but perhaps there's more. Right And so my point is,

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<v Speaker 1>if they put a lot of effort into something and

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't go anywhere. You might want to try to

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<v Speaker 1>take it somewhere because there might be something there. They

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<v Speaker 1>didn't put all that effort in for no reason. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>people who are minimal on the outskirts in the background,

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<v Speaker 1>you can tell the FBI has like a one page report.

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<v Speaker 1>I spoke to this person and got his information, and

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't really seem to be involved, n FI, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>no further information. And so when they do put in,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, fifty pages of documents on somebody, there might

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<v Speaker 1>be something there, all right? Where did I leave off?

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<v Speaker 1>All right? Garrison was unconvinced by Fairy's account, and all

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<v Speaker 1>night dashed through the worst rainstorm in years to start

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<v Speaker 1>a mercurial junket of over one thousand miles in three

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<v Speaker 1>days for recreational purposes was too much to swallow. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a curious trip to a curious place at a

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<v Speaker 1>curious time, The DA recalls. He booked Ferry as a

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<v Speaker 1>fugitive from Texas and handed him over to the FBI.

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<v Speaker 1>The g men questioned him intensively, then released him. Since

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<v Speaker 1>the forty odd pages recording the FBI interrogation of Fairy

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<v Speaker 1>are still classified at the National Archives, one can surmise

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<v Speaker 1>the reasons the Bureau stamped its file on him closed.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we need that, don't we. Let me screenshot

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<v Speaker 1>this for a reminder, but there's a forty page file

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<v Speaker 1>on David Ferry's recordings of his interview that weekend. That

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<v Speaker 1>so it should have been what Sunday, Monday Tuesday. Apparently

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI did not take the plot the pilot too seriously.

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<v Speaker 1>A short bureau document the National Archives revealed Ferry had

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<v Speaker 1>admitted being publicly and privately critical of Kennedy for withholding

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<v Speaker 1>air cover at the Bay of Pigs, and had used

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<v Speaker 1>expressions like he ought to be shot, but agents agreed

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<v Speaker 1>he did not mean the threats literally. Most convincing at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, the fact that Ferry did not leave New

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<v Speaker 1>Orleans until hours after the assassination seemed to rule out

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<v Speaker 1>his role as a getaway pilot. All right, let me

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<v Speaker 1>just comment on this real quick. That's bullshit. David Ferry

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<v Speaker 1>was in Fort Worth two days before the assassination, as

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<v Speaker 1>per Jack Martin, who told the FBI the truth because

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<v Speaker 1>he was angry and hated David Ferry. That's where all

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<v Speaker 1>the library card stuff comes from. But here where it

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<v Speaker 1>says that Ferry did not leave New Orleans until hours

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<v Speaker 1>after the assassination. Well, who the hell are his witnesses?

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<v Speaker 1>His alibi witnesses A bunch of mobsters, g Ray Gill,

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<v Speaker 1>Alice Gui, DROs and Regis Kennedy. That's it. That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>A corrupt FBI agent who worked directly for Hoover as

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<v Speaker 1>New Orleans point man on the Cubans, and a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of mobsters and the mobster's lawyer and his secretary. Give

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<v Speaker 1>me a fucking break, Give me a fucking break. David

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<v Speaker 1>Ferry was the man seen by Eda Hoffman behind the

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<v Speaker 1>pick of fence. So the alibi story is complete bullshit.

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<v Speaker 1>The see, this is where you got to like reverse

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<v Speaker 1>engineer stuff, right, so what you got first? First you

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<v Speaker 1>have to look at the statements he gave to Garrison.

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<v Speaker 1>A perfect example of this is the in the JFK

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<v Speaker 1>movie when he talks to Ferry that summarizes the whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing in a nutshell. Right, he knows David Ferry is

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<v Speaker 1>full of shit. He knows it right, contradicting his story,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't remember where he went all that stuff, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he's interrogated for a couple of days, paid a visit

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<v Speaker 1>by John Corporan, and then he's let go and he's

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<v Speaker 1>given a squeaky clean, you know, bill of health, basically

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<v Speaker 1>saying he was not in Dallas. Bullshit, He was in Dallas.

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<v Speaker 1>The FBI covered it up. Everyone covered it up because

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<v Speaker 1>everyone fucking knew. Everyone knew. So all right, I'll get

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<v Speaker 1>off my high horse and continue on Moreover, the stints

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<v Speaker 1>and monoplane he then owned was sitting at lake Front

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<v Speaker 1>Airport in unfliable condition. That's because he drove dumbass. Accepting

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI's judgment, Garrison dropped his investigation. I had full

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<v Speaker 1>confidence in the FBI, ben he explains, there was no

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<v Speaker 1>reason to try and second guess them. Then it seems

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<v Speaker 1>to pick up here, and this is probably the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the article. Constraint barely sufficient for a man to

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<v Speaker 1>get off two shots from a bolt action rifle, much

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<v Speaker 1>less three. And I don't know where that came from.

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<v Speaker 1>The DA's mind reverted to the strange trip of pilot

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<v Speaker 1>David Ferry, and he began to wonder how perceptive the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI had really been in dismissing the whole thing. When

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<v Speaker 1>he returned to New Orleans, he went into virtual seclusion

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<v Speaker 1>in his study at home, lubricating over Luke. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know where this is Luke q braiding over the volumes

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<v Speaker 1>of the Warren Report. When he became convinced that Oswald

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<v Speaker 1>could not have acted alone and that at least a

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00:25:07.039 --> 00:25:09.279
<v Speaker 1>phase of the conspiracy had been centered in New Orleans,

414
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<v Speaker 1>he committed his office to a full scale probe. He

415
00:25:11.720 --> 00:25:15.759
<v Speaker 1>launched it quietly, preferring to work more efficiently in the dark.

416
00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:20.400
<v Speaker 1>And it looks like that is the end of that article.

417
00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:26.319
<v Speaker 1>What do we have next? Memorandum to Jim Garrison from

418
00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:29.039
<v Speaker 1>Richard V. Burn's assisting District attorney. This is a Garrison

419
00:25:29.079 --> 00:25:33.799
<v Speaker 1>document in regards to investigation of lead for relationship with

420
00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Clay Shawn David Ferry. Lead four indicates that our office

421
00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:40.480
<v Speaker 1>has information that won Patrick Burke, an attorney, is aware

422
00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:44.440
<v Speaker 1>of the relationship between Sean Ferry on January nineteenth sixty eight.

423
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<v Speaker 1>On January ninth, nineteen sixty eight, at about two thirty PM,

424
00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:50.720
<v Speaker 1>I spoke to Patrick Burke, an attorney in New Orleans,

425
00:25:50.799 --> 00:25:53.400
<v Speaker 1>on the telephone. He stated he neither knows Clay Shaw,

426
00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:56.319
<v Speaker 1>nor David Ferry, nor any reason why our office would

427
00:25:56.359 --> 00:25:58.920
<v Speaker 1>have information that he's aware of such a relationship between

428
00:25:58.920 --> 00:26:02.640
<v Speaker 1>the two subjects. A transcript of our telephone conversation has

429
00:26:02.680 --> 00:26:05.599
<v Speaker 1>been prepared and will be attached to this memorandum. I've

430
00:26:05.599 --> 00:26:08.079
<v Speaker 1>known Patrick Burke since nineteen fifty nine, at which time

431
00:26:08.119 --> 00:26:10.400
<v Speaker 1>we both entered Tulane Law School in the freshman class.

432
00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:13.119
<v Speaker 1>I have never known anything that would cast suspicion on

433
00:26:13.160 --> 00:26:16.640
<v Speaker 1>his credibility. Further investigation will be made if the informant

434
00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:21.839
<v Speaker 1>can be contacted. Signed Richard V. Burns. The following is

435
00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:24.720
<v Speaker 1>a telephone interview between Assistant District Attorney Richard V. Burns

436
00:26:24.759 --> 00:26:28.839
<v Speaker 1>an attorney at law, Patrick Burke. This interview was conducted

437
00:26:28.880 --> 00:26:34.039
<v Speaker 1>January ninth, nineteen sixty eight. This is Richard Burns in

438
00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:36.519
<v Speaker 1>the District Attorney's office. Would you see if mister Patrick

439
00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:39.240
<v Speaker 1>Burke is available to talk with me. I don't believe

440
00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:41.240
<v Speaker 1>he's in. Just a moment, he's not in me. I

441
00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:43.559
<v Speaker 1>take a message. Would you have him give me a call? Please?

442
00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:46.400
<v Speaker 1>Would you give your name again? Richard Burns? And he

443
00:26:46.440 --> 00:26:48.680
<v Speaker 1>spells it, thank you. When do you expect him in?

444
00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:51.440
<v Speaker 1>He should be in shortly. He went to lunch. All right,

445
00:26:51.440 --> 00:26:54.160
<v Speaker 1>thank you, goodbye. I hate to keep you waiting, but

446
00:26:54.440 --> 00:26:56.200
<v Speaker 1>I was out of my office. I was near the

447
00:26:56.240 --> 00:26:59.480
<v Speaker 1>coffee pot when you called. Listen, you might be able

448
00:26:59.480 --> 00:27:02.519
<v Speaker 1>to help me out with something. Okay, weren't you in

449
00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:05.839
<v Speaker 1>the CP in the Civil Air Patrol? No? No, I

450
00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:10.039
<v Speaker 1>was merchant Marine type. Uh huh, seagoing. I knew you

451
00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:12.359
<v Speaker 1>had some military background, and I thought you were in

452
00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:14.759
<v Speaker 1>Civil Air Patrol. And I'm checking in the background of

453
00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:18.279
<v Speaker 1>David Ferry, and I understood that you knew him or something. No,

454
00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:22.440
<v Speaker 1>not me. You didn't know him in any way at all. No,

455
00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:25.240
<v Speaker 1>uh huh, CAP, I don't even know anybody in the CAP.

456
00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:28.119
<v Speaker 1>As a matter of fact. Oh well, I didn't have

457
00:27:28.119 --> 00:27:30.119
<v Speaker 1>any information that you were in the CAAP. But I

458
00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:32.119
<v Speaker 1>did hear that you knew David Ferry, and I figured

459
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:35.839
<v Speaker 1>you probably knew him from the CAP. Oh no, I gee,

460
00:27:35.839 --> 00:27:38.079
<v Speaker 1>I've never heard of Ferry until I read his name

461
00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:40.240
<v Speaker 1>in the papers. As a matter of fact, Uh, what

462
00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:42.440
<v Speaker 1>about Shaw? Did you know Shaw or anything?

463
00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:42.720
<v Speaker 2>No?

464
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:46.160
<v Speaker 1>Uh huh, Pat, I've got some information that came to me.

465
00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:48.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't know exactly what my source is, but that

466
00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:51.559
<v Speaker 1>you knew Shaw and Ferry and some relationship between the

467
00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:55.720
<v Speaker 1>two of them or really, Yeah, that's right, no kidding,

468
00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:58.839
<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm trying to check out with you. No,

469
00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:01.279
<v Speaker 1>I assure you are. I didn't hear these people till

470
00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:03.119
<v Speaker 1>I read their names in the papers when this came up.

471
00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:04.160
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

472
00:28:04.160 --> 00:28:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, this could have happened from something you might have

473
00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:09.000
<v Speaker 1>said in just casual conversation. Could you think of anything

474
00:28:09.559 --> 00:28:11.799
<v Speaker 1>that might have led someone to think this? Gosh, no,

475
00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:14.359
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't think so. Quite Frankly, I haven't even been

476
00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:16.559
<v Speaker 1>following this matter after it broke some time ago.

477
00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:18.160
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

478
00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:20.359
<v Speaker 1>And actually there's been no scuttle but even you know

479
00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:24.119
<v Speaker 1>that I participated in about this, okay, So I don't

480
00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:26.000
<v Speaker 1>think it could have been anything that anybody could have

481
00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:30.079
<v Speaker 1>picked up, right, do you know Hugh Crane Hugh Crane No,

482
00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:33.279
<v Speaker 1>uh uh, that's hug h c r Ai n No

483
00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:34.640
<v Speaker 1>from Baton Rouge.

484
00:28:35.079 --> 00:28:36.440
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

485
00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:39.079
<v Speaker 1>And there's no way that you can think of anything

486
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:41.559
<v Speaker 1>any time that you were around a group where they

487
00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:43.799
<v Speaker 1>were talking about David Ferry or Clayshaw. In other words,

488
00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:45.799
<v Speaker 1>what I'd like to do is trace this thing back

489
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:48.559
<v Speaker 1>to its source, because that way I'm either investigating bad

490
00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:51.440
<v Speaker 1>information or something that might have been said casually. You know,

491
00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:54.000
<v Speaker 1>and I want to find out. Gosh, no, you know,

492
00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:57.079
<v Speaker 1>this subject has probably been kicked around by everybody in town.

493
00:28:57.160 --> 00:29:00.400
<v Speaker 1>But this is outside of my realm of law, strictly

494
00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:04.880
<v Speaker 1>in Admiralty, right, I knew that and know nothing about

495
00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:08.400
<v Speaker 1>criminal law. So really I haven't been too even interested

496
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:11.119
<v Speaker 1>in the whole matter. Quite frankly, uh huh. Well, you know,

497
00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:13.440
<v Speaker 1>things like this happened. For instance, a wife of one

498
00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:16.279
<v Speaker 1>of the announcers made some statement that she actually made,

499
00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:18.960
<v Speaker 1>and she actually made it. We traced it all the

500
00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:21.039
<v Speaker 1>way back to her and it was just casual conversation,

501
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:23.519
<v Speaker 1>but we did actually trace it back to the time

502
00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:25.680
<v Speaker 1>it was said to someone else, you know, who accepted

503
00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:27.680
<v Speaker 1>it as true and then passed it on to us. See,

504
00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:30.079
<v Speaker 1>and that's what I'm digging out now. But you don't know,

505
00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:33.599
<v Speaker 1>a hu Crane, No, I sure don't. Of course, you know,

506
00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:36.640
<v Speaker 1>I was raised, you know, I was raised in Lake Charles,

507
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:40.519
<v Speaker 1>and I don't know, maybe back in my school days.

508
00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:42.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. The name doesn't ring a bell with

509
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:44.759
<v Speaker 1>me at all. Let's see, before tu Lane, where'd you

510
00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:47.359
<v Speaker 1>go before law school? Well, of course I went at

511
00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:49.599
<v Speaker 1>the I was at the Merchant Marine Academy, in New

512
00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:50.839
<v Speaker 1>York before you know.

513
00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

514
00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:54.119
<v Speaker 1>Then I went to see for or for three years.

515
00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:55.119
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

516
00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:58.039
<v Speaker 1>And prior to that, I was well raised in Lake Charles.

517
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:00.759
<v Speaker 1>Uh huh. Do you know anybody that might do this

518
00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:04.200
<v Speaker 1>as a practical joke? No, I don't. If someone was

519
00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:05.960
<v Speaker 1>to ask me a question like that, I have a

520
00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:09.200
<v Speaker 1>list so long that no, you really catch me by surprise.

521
00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:11.920
<v Speaker 1>I thought maybe you were playing a practical joke on me. No,

522
00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:15.720
<v Speaker 1>positively not. My little note here says information indicates one

523
00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:18.839
<v Speaker 1>Patrick Burke, an attorney is to where the relationship between

524
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:22.200
<v Speaker 1>Sean Ferry. Although Burke appears to be a New Orleans attorney,

525
00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:24.799
<v Speaker 1>and this information appears to have come from Baton Rouge,

526
00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:28.039
<v Speaker 1>and they referred me to a memorandum.

527
00:30:28.839 --> 00:30:29.279
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

528
00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:32.079
<v Speaker 1>So that's I don't even know anybody in Baton Rouge.

529
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:34.680
<v Speaker 1>Frankly outside the law field. You know people lawyers I

530
00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:35.519
<v Speaker 1>deal with over there.

531
00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:37.079
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

532
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:41.839
<v Speaker 1>Now, there's no other Patrick Burke that are attorneys. There

533
00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:44.680
<v Speaker 1>are a couple other Burkes. Well, there's a couple other

534
00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:47.119
<v Speaker 1>there's one Pat Burke that ran for office. Was getting

535
00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:49.680
<v Speaker 1>me confused, and I was getting calls for him all

536
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:52.119
<v Speaker 1>the time. This is not the same one. That's a

537
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:54.599
<v Speaker 1>brother of the guy that ran for may or, is it? God?

538
00:30:54.680 --> 00:30:55.079
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

539
00:30:55.160 --> 00:30:58.039
<v Speaker 1>Now you mean Paul Burke. Yeah, I don't know. There's

540
00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:00.559
<v Speaker 1>a lot of Burke's in New Orleans, and there's one

541
00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:02.640
<v Speaker 1>Pat Burke. But I don't think he's a lawyer. Of course,

542
00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:04.920
<v Speaker 1>if he ran for political office, he might be a lawyer.

543
00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:07.559
<v Speaker 1>Do you recall you're the only Burke listed as Pat

544
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:10.480
<v Speaker 1>Burke listed in the telephone directory. Do you recall this

545
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:12.279
<v Speaker 1>other Pat Burke you might have known, or when he

546
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:14.960
<v Speaker 1>ran or what he ran for. Oh? Well, let's see.

547
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:17.240
<v Speaker 1>I saw a bumper sticker. This is about three months ago.

548
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:18.440
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

549
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:20.400
<v Speaker 1>Now, wait a minute, I got the Burkes in the

550
00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:23.319
<v Speaker 1>phone book directory. Here, now let me see, And there

551
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:25.359
<v Speaker 1>was a fireman by the name of Burke, Pat Burke,

552
00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:29.400
<v Speaker 1>an elder day gentleman. There's a fireman by that name.

553
00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:31.519
<v Speaker 1>And let's see, all right, there's a Patrick B. Burke

554
00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:34.680
<v Speaker 1>at ninety one to two Inez Drive in Jefferson Parish.

555
00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:37.000
<v Speaker 1>You know who he is. No, I don't know any

556
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:40.359
<v Speaker 1>other Burkes other than Jimmy Burke. Here, let's see, there's

557
00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:43.559
<v Speaker 1>a Patrick Burke fifteen forty nine constance. Do you know him? No?

558
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:48.559
<v Speaker 1>And there's a Patrick Burke, okay, that would be me. Now,

559
00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:52.880
<v Speaker 1>Patrick Elberke, all right, that's both listed as attorney. And

560
00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:58.319
<v Speaker 1>there's a Patrick W. Burke, no senior. Well, it might

561
00:31:58.359 --> 00:32:01.880
<v Speaker 1>be that they meant one of these other Patrick Burks.

562
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:04.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Dick, as I was saying, I haven't

563
00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:06.839
<v Speaker 1>even been interested in the proceedings. I've been tied up

564
00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:09.960
<v Speaker 1>in my own little field over here. Yeah, I imagine

565
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:12.119
<v Speaker 1>it keeps you pretty busy, but those names mean absolutely

566
00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:12.640
<v Speaker 1>nothing to me.

567
00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:13.400
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

568
00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:15.480
<v Speaker 1>Do you know anybody close to you that was discussing

569
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:17.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm not trying to dig some information out of someone,

570
00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:20.039
<v Speaker 1>but I'm trying to find out how this got initiated

571
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:22.720
<v Speaker 1>so that I can trace it down, I understand, right.

572
00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:24.680
<v Speaker 1>In other words, get it right back to the fountain

573
00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:27.799
<v Speaker 1>head and neither say that it was cause a misreport

574
00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:30.160
<v Speaker 1>or just you know, the people that I run around

575
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:32.839
<v Speaker 1>with socially or all my partners and like myself were

576
00:32:33.039 --> 00:32:36.319
<v Speaker 1>really not interested in these legal proceedings at all. I mean,

577
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:38.319
<v Speaker 1>we talk about our own law legal problems. You know,

578
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:42.480
<v Speaker 1>would anyone play any pranks on you that would telephone

579
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:44.960
<v Speaker 1>pranks or anything. No, not that I know of, Dick,

580
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:48.240
<v Speaker 1>uh huh, except I did get a little prank that

581
00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:50.960
<v Speaker 1>I thought was quite funny not too long ago in

582
00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:53.640
<v Speaker 1>the mail about whether or not I'd take the place

583
00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:56.240
<v Speaker 1>of some herman who was sitting as an idiot for

584
00:32:56.279 --> 00:32:59.359
<v Speaker 1>some evangelist I think, or something of that nature. Did

585
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:00.960
<v Speaker 1>you ever find out who who it was? No? I

586
00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:06.440
<v Speaker 1>never did. Now, with admiralty practice, unless you're representing claimants,

587
00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:10.039
<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't have many people that would go out with

588
00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:14.079
<v Speaker 1>any vindictiveness and do something. Well, no, because my clients

589
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:18.359
<v Speaker 1>are all insurance. I'm strictly defense. Yeah, okay, my contacts

590
00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:21.440
<v Speaker 1>are all in London, really right, so you wouldn't have

591
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:24.160
<v Speaker 1>this kind of thing. No, uhh Well, you've helped me

592
00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:26.119
<v Speaker 1>a lot. Now I'm going to get to this memorandum

593
00:33:26.119 --> 00:33:28.200
<v Speaker 1>from hu Crane that I'm referring to here, and I'm

594
00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:30.079
<v Speaker 1>going to go over it and it may have some

595
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:32.720
<v Speaker 1>information in hear that we can check out, or maybe

596
00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:35.440
<v Speaker 1>you can recognize or something so I can trace it down.

597
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:39.279
<v Speaker 1>And they may even be mistaken about that. Patrick Burke. Oh,

598
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:41.839
<v Speaker 1>here's another thing. Have you ever been mistaken for another

599
00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Burke who's an attorney not in New Orleans. No. In

600
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:47.920
<v Speaker 1>other words, have you ever gotten any letters or calls

601
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:49.839
<v Speaker 1>or any Oh? Yeah, I've been getting letters up here

602
00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:52.279
<v Speaker 1>and attorney for Pat Burke, and I'm getting calls all

603
00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:54.839
<v Speaker 1>the time wanting me to represent a divorce or something

604
00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:56.799
<v Speaker 1>of that nature. You know. No, what I mean is

605
00:33:56.799 --> 00:33:59.359
<v Speaker 1>that belonged to another attorney named Pat Burke. For instance.

606
00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:01.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm always at if I'm related to one of the

607
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:03.680
<v Speaker 1>Burns that are practicing law, and I'm always telling them no,

608
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:05.920
<v Speaker 1>uh huh, no, I can't say that I have Dick.

609
00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:07.839
<v Speaker 1>Uh huh. Well, this helps me out, Pat, And if

610
00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:10.559
<v Speaker 1>I find anything further on the memorandum, I'll give you

611
00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:13.039
<v Speaker 1>a call back. Feel free to do so. Okay, thank

612
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:16.679
<v Speaker 1>you very much, all right, goodbye. So that's an interesting

613
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:19.960
<v Speaker 1>letter for them to spend a lot of time on

614
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:22.920
<v Speaker 1>in this file. For it to not go anywhere, so

615
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:26.719
<v Speaker 1>tells me there might be something to it. Who else

616
00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:30.079
<v Speaker 1>is in the Merchant Marine? Well we got Andrew Blackman, right,

617
00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:33.960
<v Speaker 1>all right? So it says now we're moving into the

618
00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:37.119
<v Speaker 1>David Ferry file number three, and this is section one.

619
00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:46.239
<v Speaker 1>Memorandum January twenty fifth, sixty eight to Jim Garrison from

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<v Speaker 1>Richard Burns, Assistic District Attorney reference Clay Shaw conspiracy to

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<v Speaker 1>murder John Kennedy. On January eleventh, sixty eight. I returned

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<v Speaker 1>the telephone call which our office received on January tenth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty eight. The call came from now A Tayat, Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 1>The calling number was two seven three three two two six.

625
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:08.360
<v Speaker 1>The calling party was a mister Robinson. The telephone is

626
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:10.679
<v Speaker 1>not that of mister Robinson's, but that of a neighbor.

627
00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:13.960
<v Speaker 1>Mister Robinson read to me a statement from a John M.

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<v Speaker 1>Tucker which he had received. The statement related to the

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<v Speaker 1>involvement of Dave Ferry and Clay Shaw in a conspiracy

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00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:21.760
<v Speaker 1>to murder John Kennedy. Mister Robinson does not know the

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00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:24.800
<v Speaker 1>present location of John Tucker, but he will forward the

632
00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:27.239
<v Speaker 1>letter to us in an attempt to locate Tucker. A

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<v Speaker 1>transcript of the conversation is attached. Telephone conversation between mister Robinson, Nowateea, Oklahoma,

634
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:43.119
<v Speaker 1>and Richard Burns, Assistant District Attorney. I have a letter

635
00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:45.880
<v Speaker 1>and something's redacted and it said and he told me,

636
00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:49.519
<v Speaker 1>mister Burns says, I'm aware of it. I thought maybe

637
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:51.920
<v Speaker 1>he might want to see the letter. All right, who is?

638
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:54.559
<v Speaker 1>Can you tell me something about the letter? I have it.

639
00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:56.760
<v Speaker 1>I could read it to you. Well, I'm interested in

640
00:35:56.800 --> 00:35:59.719
<v Speaker 1>hearing about it because right now, you see, I don't

641
00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:02.079
<v Speaker 1>know who you really are, or really what the letters

642
00:36:02.119 --> 00:36:05.519
<v Speaker 1>are about or anything. Oh yeah, let me get it.

643
00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:07.159
<v Speaker 1>I'll read it to you. All right. Do you have

644
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:10.679
<v Speaker 1>it there, I'll get it real quick. Are you ready? Right,

645
00:36:11.480 --> 00:36:15.440
<v Speaker 1>it says, I'll read it exactly like it was written. Okay,

646
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:18.880
<v Speaker 1>it says I, John M. Tucker give this paper to

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<v Speaker 1>JJ Robertson on the above date, putting my signature to

648
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:25.440
<v Speaker 1>it that its authority will be known. I was in

649
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:28.480
<v Speaker 1>New Orleans in the first wait just a second, in

650
00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:30.599
<v Speaker 1>the first quarter of nineteen sixty two, and there I

651
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:34.000
<v Speaker 1>met an individual now under investigation for the conspiracy of

652
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:36.679
<v Speaker 1>the murder of John F. Kennedy. At the time, I

653
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:38.800
<v Speaker 1>did not know of any conspiracy or plan and was

654
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:41.679
<v Speaker 1>never a member of any right or left wing party,

655
00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:45.239
<v Speaker 1>merely an individual exposed for a short time to the

656
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:49.760
<v Speaker 1>planning of a distorted person. I judged the individual to

657
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:52.599
<v Speaker 1>be something of a homosexual and thought to go along

658
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:53.199
<v Speaker 1>for a laugh.

659
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:53.840
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

660
00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:56.679
<v Speaker 1>I bet that's why you went along. However, since the

661
00:36:56.679 --> 00:36:59.079
<v Speaker 1>beginning of this investigation, I have come to realize that

662
00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:04.840
<v Speaker 1>the individual was none other than Faerry. Is that it Fairy?

663
00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:07.639
<v Speaker 1>He introduced himself and is now deceased. I was introduced

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00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:10.239
<v Speaker 1>to another person by Fairy, who is now very much

665
00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:13.800
<v Speaker 1>alive and claims no knowledge of who Ferry was and

666
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:16.320
<v Speaker 1>is signed by John Tucker. All right, now, let me

667
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:18.800
<v Speaker 1>ask you something. Did he explain to you anything further

668
00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:21.880
<v Speaker 1>besides the letter? Yeah, he did. Who was the person

669
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:25.880
<v Speaker 1>he was referring to that's alive? As what? Who is

670
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:29.880
<v Speaker 1>the live person he's referring to? Just a minute, mister Robinson.

671
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:32.639
<v Speaker 1>It says here that sooner or later his name will

672
00:37:32.679 --> 00:37:37.239
<v Speaker 1>come up in the investigation. Uh huh and redacted? Something's

673
00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:41.039
<v Speaker 1>redacted here? If not, then my and redacted. If not,

674
00:37:41.199 --> 00:37:43.280
<v Speaker 1>then my description of him as he says here, Well,

675
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:46.000
<v Speaker 1>sooner or later his name will come up in the investigation. Now,

676
00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:49.199
<v Speaker 1>this individual that gave me this, uh huh. Now, let

677
00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:51.199
<v Speaker 1>me ask you this. What is your address where I

678
00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:53.119
<v Speaker 1>can get in touch with you? You have the phone number

679
00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:54.920
<v Speaker 1>where you can get in touch with me, right? Can

680
00:37:55.320 --> 00:37:58.039
<v Speaker 1>you give me a street address or anything? One O

681
00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:03.920
<v Speaker 1>eight North mccaffe mccafarrow. Want to wait where north mccafarrow

682
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:07.360
<v Speaker 1>mc c A F F E R O. Okay? And

683
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:09.440
<v Speaker 1>now what do you do for a living? Normally? I'm

684
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:12.679
<v Speaker 1>just a mechanic. Are you employed at any place right now? Yes, sir?

685
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Can you tell me where that is? For my father?

686
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:18.760
<v Speaker 1>And all right? And where is his business located? Tulsa, Oklahoma?

687
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:21.159
<v Speaker 1>And what's the name of his business or how? In

688
00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:22.440
<v Speaker 1>other words, I want to be able to get in

689
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:24.199
<v Speaker 1>touch with you in case I need to call you

690
00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:26.440
<v Speaker 1>or something. Well, you can call me right here at

691
00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:29.000
<v Speaker 1>this phone number, which would be okay, all right? Now,

692
00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:31.440
<v Speaker 1>this Tucker guy, how can I get in touch with him?

693
00:38:31.719 --> 00:38:33.679
<v Speaker 1>The last time I seen him he was in Muskegee.

694
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:37.719
<v Speaker 1>He was going to Muskegee. Well, now, isn't that near

695
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:41.760
<v Speaker 1>where Norman, Oklahoma is in Oklahoma City? Around there Muskegee?

696
00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:45.679
<v Speaker 1>Uh huh No, Mstige's right over there by Tulsa. Oh,

697
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:47.639
<v Speaker 1>I see. You wouldn't know how to get in touch

698
00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:49.719
<v Speaker 1>with him, now, no, right off, I wouldn't, but I

699
00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:51.840
<v Speaker 1>could probably write a letter, make two or three phone

700
00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:53.960
<v Speaker 1>calls and get in touch with them. I would like

701
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:55.079
<v Speaker 1>to get in touch with them, you know, it was

702
00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:56.760
<v Speaker 1>a witness. I'd also like to get a copy of

703
00:38:56.760 --> 00:39:00.519
<v Speaker 1>that statement, if it's at all possible. That's the reason

704
00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:01.239
<v Speaker 1>why I saved it.

705
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:01.840
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

706
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:03.599
<v Speaker 1>He told me that if anything was to happen to

707
00:39:03.679 --> 00:39:04.800
<v Speaker 1>him to mail this to you.

708
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:06.239
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

709
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:08.599
<v Speaker 1>I decided I'd go ahead and do it anyway. Well,

710
00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:10.360
<v Speaker 1>if you would, it would help us an awful lot,

711
00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:12.800
<v Speaker 1>if you know, for us to have this information, I'd

712
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:14.639
<v Speaker 1>really like to get you know the name of your

713
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:17.079
<v Speaker 1>daddy so that I could locate you through him in

714
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:19.760
<v Speaker 1>case we ever lost connection with each other. If you

715
00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:22.039
<v Speaker 1>feel like you can give it to me now, I

716
00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:24.000
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't alert him to anything, you know. If I had

717
00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:26.920
<v Speaker 1>to call you, well, I'll tell you what you see.

718
00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:29.320
<v Speaker 1>My problem is that you may move, and you may

719
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:32.079
<v Speaker 1>be intending to let me know, and a couple of

720
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:34.159
<v Speaker 1>weeks may pass or something, And it would help a

721
00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:36.960
<v Speaker 1>lot if I knew how to get in touch with you. Well,

722
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:38.800
<v Speaker 1>if you want to write a letter, or if you

723
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:41.079
<v Speaker 1>want to call me, you can call me at this

724
00:39:41.119 --> 00:39:43.639
<v Speaker 1>phone number, because I'll always be within the hollowing distance

725
00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:46.599
<v Speaker 1>of it. Okay, Now, how far is Noah ti from?

726
00:39:48.280 --> 00:39:52.199
<v Speaker 1>From Tulsa fifty two miles fifty two miles and you

727
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:56.679
<v Speaker 1>drive to work each day over in and then that's redacted. Right,

728
00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:00.519
<v Speaker 1>I guess this information, and you will send me a

729
00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:02.760
<v Speaker 1>copy of the letter. Well, would you rather have a

730
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:05.559
<v Speaker 1>photostatic copy of it? Either a copy of the letter?

731
00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:10.159
<v Speaker 1>Either one is fine. Well, look here, I'll tell you

732
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:12.400
<v Speaker 1>what I can do. I can mail this letter just

733
00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:15.599
<v Speaker 1>as it's written here. Uh huh, and another little piece

734
00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:18.280
<v Speaker 1>of paper which I didn't read to you, and I'll

735
00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:20.079
<v Speaker 1>just stick it right here in the uh huh, and

736
00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:20.880
<v Speaker 1>I'll mail it to you.

737
00:40:21.559 --> 00:40:21.880
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

738
00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:23.400
<v Speaker 1>Did he tell you who the other man is? In

739
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:25.000
<v Speaker 1>other words, yes, he did. He told me a lot

740
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:27.519
<v Speaker 1>of things about it. Can you tell me who it is? No,

741
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:29.280
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember what the guy's name was. I'll tell

742
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:34.199
<v Speaker 1>you what he did. He was a manufacturer, a coffee company. No,

743
00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:37.880
<v Speaker 1>I believe it was clothing clothing manufacturer, yes, sir, And

744
00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:41.159
<v Speaker 1>i'd know his name if i'd ever hear it. Well,

745
00:40:41.199 --> 00:40:42.559
<v Speaker 1>the thing is, I don't know the names of all

746
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:46.400
<v Speaker 1>the people under the investigation. Maybe that we have the name,

747
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:49.599
<v Speaker 1>but you do, I said, it may be, But I

748
00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:52.559
<v Speaker 1>mean I wouldn't know necessarily because there's a lot of

749
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:55.199
<v Speaker 1>us working on it, you see. Yeah, so that's why

750
00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:57.480
<v Speaker 1>I wish I could remember the name. But he didn't

751
00:40:57.760 --> 00:41:00.159
<v Speaker 1>put any name in here except for Faery or far

752
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:04.199
<v Speaker 1>or whatever Faery right now. Did he tell you anything

753
00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:07.760
<v Speaker 1>about his clothing manufacturers or anything else about other information

754
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:10.199
<v Speaker 1>you can pass on to me. He told me they

755
00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:10.920
<v Speaker 1>were at a party.

756
00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:12.800
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

757
00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:15.400
<v Speaker 1>At the time he knew there was something connecting a

758
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:16.880
<v Speaker 1>big politician involved.

759
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:18.119
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

760
00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:20.679
<v Speaker 1>And uh they asked him to go along with I

761
00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:25.320
<v Speaker 1>don't see why that because they didn't didn't because he's

762
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:27.760
<v Speaker 1>that type of person anyway. Uh huh. You mean he's

763
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:32.079
<v Speaker 1>involved in criminal conduct himself. Uh huh. And this says

764
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:34.400
<v Speaker 1>here that I knew there was something in the wind

765
00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:37.679
<v Speaker 1>about a big politician, but I didn't know what or

766
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:38.360
<v Speaker 1>who at the time.

767
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:39.280
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

768
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:43.320
<v Speaker 1>And Ferry introduced me to several people. Did he ever

769
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:45.280
<v Speaker 1>mention the name of Clay Shaw to you at any time?

770
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:49.400
<v Speaker 1>Clay Shaw, that's it. That's the person. That's the person,

771
00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:53.880
<v Speaker 1>that's the person. Well he is presently under charges down here. Yeah,

772
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:54.480
<v Speaker 1>Well that's him.

773
00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:55.480
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

774
00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:57.519
<v Speaker 1>Did he use the name Clay Bertrand also or not

775
00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Bertrand Bertrand clam or Clay Bertrand, Clay Bertrand. Well, is

776
00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:06.960
<v Speaker 1>he known as Bert? I don't know if he's known

777
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:10.079
<v Speaker 1>as Bert. He did, but otherwise I couldn't say. Well,

778
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:11.559
<v Speaker 1>this is going to help us a lot. I do

779
00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:13.320
<v Speaker 1>wish you could tell us how to get in touch

780
00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:16.079
<v Speaker 1>with Tucker, you know, some way where we could see

781
00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:19.360
<v Speaker 1>if he wants to help us. Well, i'll try, all right.

782
00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:22.719
<v Speaker 1>I'll appreciate it very much, And if I can get

783
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:24.239
<v Speaker 1>in touch with them, I'll have to.

784
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

785
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:26.639
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what he'll say.

786
00:42:26.840 --> 00:42:27.559
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

787
00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:30.320
<v Speaker 1>But he he had a feeling and was going to

788
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:33.119
<v Speaker 1>get in bad trouble or something over there, uh huh.

789
00:42:33.159 --> 00:42:35.360
<v Speaker 1>And he told me if he didn't, if he did

790
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:37.719
<v Speaker 1>come up missing or anything, that to mail this letter

791
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:40.519
<v Speaker 1>down to mister Garrison. All right, Well, let me say this.

792
00:42:41.079 --> 00:42:42.719
<v Speaker 1>If he didn't have any part in any plan or

793
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:44.760
<v Speaker 1>plot or conspiracy, then there's no way he could get

794
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:47.440
<v Speaker 1>in trouble from us. If he's a witness, there's just

795
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:50.119
<v Speaker 1>no way that he could get in any trouble. Quite frankly,

796
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:51.920
<v Speaker 1>if he took part in something like that, he would

797
00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:54.400
<v Speaker 1>be in trouble if we found out about it. Naturally.

798
00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:57.400
<v Speaker 1>But the point of it is, if he's just a witness,

799
00:42:57.800 --> 00:43:02.880
<v Speaker 1>just happened to be there and had no participation, he'd

800
00:43:03.639 --> 00:43:06.519
<v Speaker 1>have nothing to worry about. And if we used him

801
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:08.880
<v Speaker 1>as a witness and he had to come down here,

802
00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:12.760
<v Speaker 1>we would certainly pay the expenses to bring him down here,

803
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:15.800
<v Speaker 1>which you know we're required to do under a law anyway,

804
00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:19.239
<v Speaker 1>but we would not try to embarrass him. I'd quite

805
00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:22.239
<v Speaker 1>frankly like to talk to him and see if what

806
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:24.920
<v Speaker 1>information he has. Do you think he was telling you

807
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:26.920
<v Speaker 1>the truth or do you think that he was making

808
00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:29.719
<v Speaker 1>it up? Yes, I really believe the boy was well,

809
00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:32.199
<v Speaker 1>he has no reason to tell me lies about anything.

810
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:35.639
<v Speaker 1>And the way he talked to when we were discussing socialism.

811
00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:36.599
<v Speaker 2>And whatnot, uh huh.

812
00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:38.480
<v Speaker 1>And he's pretty well set in his way of life.

813
00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:39.320
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

814
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:41.639
<v Speaker 1>Well, if you can help me get him, find out

815
00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:44.360
<v Speaker 1>how to locate him, I will certainly appreciate it, and

816
00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:47.599
<v Speaker 1>I will look forward to the letter. I'll register this.

817
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:50.320
<v Speaker 1>Can you send it to either Jim Garrison or Richard Burns.

818
00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:54.679
<v Speaker 1>Richard Burns and he gives him his information, that's right.

819
00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:59.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm an assistant district attorney. Twenty seven hundred tu lane right,

820
00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:01.679
<v Speaker 1>and then they keep going on they clarify that bunch

821
00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:05.639
<v Speaker 1>of stuff. I'm gonna need your help to get in

822
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:07.320
<v Speaker 1>touch with them, and i'd love to have an address

823
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:09.880
<v Speaker 1>for them. I don't know for sure. The truth is,

824
00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:11.480
<v Speaker 1>since you're the only one that knows how to get

825
00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:12.760
<v Speaker 1>in touch with them, I won't be able to find

826
00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:15.400
<v Speaker 1>them unless you can help me do it. All right,

827
00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:17.920
<v Speaker 1>they're just wrapping up, and that is the end of

828
00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:26.880
<v Speaker 1>the conversation, and we're gonna call it here for today.

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<v Speaker 1>But let me just scroll through the next couple pages. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we have something here that says a Commission document seventy five. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so there is a series of documents. It's supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be like two hundred and fifty plus documents, and the

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<v Speaker 1>name of the documents are Commission Documents one through whatever. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got like five percent of those documents. Okay, the

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<v Speaker 1>vast majority of them are gone. And John Armstrong had

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<v Speaker 1>a very strong inkling that that's where all the good

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<v Speaker 1>stuff is in these missing commission documents, and so if

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<v Speaker 1>anyone's going to ask for documents, that's what we need

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<v Speaker 1>to be getting. But here this has Commission Documents seventy

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<v Speaker 1>five Report a Special Agent Warren C. Debris dated twelve

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<v Speaker 1>two sixty three at Dallas, Texas Analysis of Classified Pages.

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<v Speaker 1>The above document, in two volumes and seven hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>thirty seven pages long, is one of the most important

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<v Speaker 1>FBI reports in the archives. It also contains more material

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<v Speaker 1>about New Orleans than any other document, including the forty

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<v Speaker 1>classified pages on David Ferry. It is also the document

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<v Speaker 1>which Wegman was looking at on May tenth, like all

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<v Speaker 1>the bulky documents pertaining to the assassination, and is in

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<v Speaker 1>the List B category, which means it is unclassified, but

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<v Speaker 1>numerous pages are withdrawn at the request of the FBI.

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<v Speaker 1>Portions of the document have been published as CES nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty six to nineteen forty two. Oh how long is

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<v Speaker 1>this thing?

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<v Speaker 2>One?

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<v Speaker 1>Two? Okay, here we start to get into some good stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm gonna call it here and we'll pick this

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<v Speaker 1>up tomorrow because this starts to get into some really

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<v Speaker 1>good stuff and all of this stuff we're gonna go over

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<v Speaker 1>needs further investigations. So anyone out there who is into research,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna need some help and dig in some of

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<v Speaker 1>this data up. So that is gonna do it for

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<v Speaker 1>me today. Thank you everybody for tuning in, and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be back tomorrow
