Speaker 1: Good morning, everybody. Core use bloody history. So we're going
Speaker 1: to continue on with this article the inquest no housekeeping
Speaker 1: or nothing, let's just hop right back into it. An
Speaker 1: intriguing entry in Oswald's address book is the word micro dots,
Speaker 1: appearing on the page on which he has notated the
Speaker 1: address and phone number of Jagger Childs Stovall. Micro Dots
Speaker 1: are a clandestine means of communication developed by German intelligence
Speaker 1: during World War Two and still in general use among
Speaker 1: espionage agencies. The technique is to photograph the document to
Speaker 1: be transmitted and vastly reduce the negative to the size
Speaker 1: that will fit inside a period. The microdot can be
Speaker 1: inserted in an innocuous letter or magazine and mailed or
Speaker 1: left in a dead drop, a pre arranged location for
Speaker 1: the deposit and pickup of messages. Thus, it may be
Speaker 1: significant that Oswald obtained library cards in Dallas and New
Speaker 1: Orleans and usually visited the libraries on Thursday. The possible
Speaker 1: implication of his visits was not overlooked by the FBI,
Speaker 1: which confiscated every book he ever charged out and never
Speaker 1: returned them. Ooh ooh, what a fucking bunch of collectibles
Speaker 1: that would be right the books Oswald checked out of
Speaker 1: the library that were seized by the FBI. I wonder
Speaker 1: what happened to those books. A piece that may fit
Speaker 1: into the puzzle is the discovery by Garrison of an
Speaker 1: adult borrower's card issued by the New Orleans Public Library
Speaker 1: in the name Clem Bertrand. The business address shown is
Speaker 1: the international trademark Shaw's former place of employment, and the
Speaker 1: home address thirty one hundred Louisiana Avenue Parkway, a wrong number,
Speaker 1: but conspicuously close to that of David Ferry at thirty
Speaker 1: three to thirty Louisiana Avenue Parkway. There may be a
Speaker 1: pattern here, since Oswald supposedly cared a card issued to
Speaker 1: Ferry when arrested in Dallas. Still, another hint of Oswald's
Speaker 1: intelligence status is the inventory of his property seized by
Speaker 1: Dallas police after the assassination. Included as such sophisticated optical
Speaker 1: equipment as a stereo realist camera, a hans A camera
Speaker 1: timer filters, a small German camera and Wolensack fifteen power telescope,
Speaker 1: Micron six ex binoculars, and a variety of film, hardly
Speaker 1: the usual accouterments of a lowly warehouseman. Stoveall exhibits upon
Speaker 1: his return from Russia. The man who subscribed to Pravda
Speaker 1: in the Marine Corps, and I didn't know it was Provda.
Speaker 1: I thought it was the Worker or something else in
Speaker 1: the Marine Corps and lectured his fellow Marines on Marxist dialects.
Speaker 1: Set about institutionalizing his leftist facade. He wrote ingratiating letters
Speaker 1: to the national headquarters of the Communist Party fair Play
Speaker 1: for Cuba Committee and Socialist Workers Party. A copy of
Speaker 1: the famous snapshot of Oswald with a revolver on his hip,
Speaker 1: a rifle in one hand in the party organ the
Speaker 1: militant in the other was mailed to the SWP office
Speaker 1: in New York in April of nineteen sixty three. Garrison
Speaker 1: believes that facade was intended to facilitate his entry into
Speaker 1: communist countries for special missions. Yes, yes, yes, yes, um,
Speaker 1: there is ah. This is kind of I don't know
Speaker 1: what word this is sur fit, sir, fate of indications
Speaker 1: of Oswald's status. Something story of Donald P. Norton, who
Speaker 1: claims he was impressed into the Agency Service in nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty seven under the threat of exposure as a homosexual.
Speaker 1: So this too, Donald P. Norton's in this story. Believe
Speaker 1: it or not, there's this Donald P. Norton. I think
Speaker 1: who he's talking about, and is another one who comes
Speaker 1: forward connected to the Harvey and Lee story, So too
Speaker 1: Donald P. Norton's. In September nineteen sixty two, Norton related
Speaker 1: that he was dispatched from Atlanta to Mexico at fifty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars for anti Castro groups. He had no sooner
Speaker 1: registered in the Yamaye Jelle Hotel in Monterey, Mexico, per
Speaker 1: instructions than he was contacted by one Harvey Lee, a
Speaker 1: dead ringer for Oswald, accepted his hair seem slightly thicker.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: In exchange for the money, Lee gave him a briefcase
Speaker 1: containing documents in Manila envelopes. According to Plan, Norton delivered
Speaker 1: the briefcase to an employee of an American oil firm
Speaker 1: in Calgary, Alberta, who was repeated who repeated the passphrase
Speaker 1: the weather is very warm in Tulsa. Norton also contends
Speaker 1: he met David Ferry earlier in his CIA career. In
Speaker 1: early nineteen fifty eight, he was tapped for a courier
Speaker 1: trip to Cuba and told to meet his contact at
Speaker 1: the Eastern Airlines counter at the Atlanta Airport. The contact
Speaker 1: was a singular appearing man who called himself Hugh Ferris
Speaker 1: or Ferris. Norton now states it was Ferry. Here are
Speaker 1: your samples, Ferry remarked, handing Norton a phonograph record. It's
Speaker 1: in the jacket. It was one hundred and fifty thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: which Norton duly delivered to a Cuban television performer in Havana.
Speaker 1: Norton asserts he went to Freeport Grand Bahamas on an
Speaker 1: agency assignment in late nineteen sixty six, and upon his
Speaker 1: return to Miami, his contact instructed that something was happening
Speaker 1: in New Orleans and that I Norton should take a long,
Speaker 1: quiet vacation. He did, and started to fret about people
Speaker 1: who have died in recent months like Ferry, then decided
Speaker 1: to contact Garrison. Norton was given a lie detector test,
Speaker 1: and there was no indications of deception. Ferry's involvement with
Speaker 1: CIA seems to stem mainly from his anti Castro paramilitary activity,
Speaker 1: although there is a suggestion that he was at one
Speaker 1: time a pilot for the agency. In the late nineteen
Speaker 1: forties and early nineteen fifties, he flew light planes commercially
Speaker 1: in the Cleveland, Ohio area. It was raided by his
Speaker 1: colleagues as an outstanding pilot in the middle nineteen fifties,
Speaker 1: as an untraceable gap in his career. Then he turns
Speaker 1: up as an Eastern Airlines pilot. Although he supposedly obtained
Speaker 1: an instrument rating at the Sunnyside Flying School in Tampa, Florida,
Speaker 1: there's no record that any such school ever existed. Well,
Speaker 1: he definitely lived in Tampa in forty nine. We have
Speaker 1: the confirmation from Eastern Airlines of his IRS records, which
Speaker 1: said he was married and had two dependents at the time.
Speaker 1: And then Eastern Airlines finds the information on David W.
Speaker 1: Ferry Junior, and they got that information basically because they
Speaker 1: ran the license plates of cars that went to David
Speaker 1: Ferry's apartment, and one of the license plates came back
Speaker 1: to David W. Ferry Junior. It wasn't in New Orleans,
Speaker 1: it was one of the suburbs. I don't remember which
Speaker 1: one offhand, but that's a fascinating piece of trivia that
Speaker 1: no one's ever really discussed or talked about. So you're
Speaker 1: talking late sixty two, early sixty three. David Ferry has
Speaker 1: a car in his driveway with the license plate registered
Speaker 1: to a David W. Ferry Junior who lives in Maybe
Speaker 1: it was Alexandria. I don't recall. I'll have to double check,
Speaker 1: but that's super significant, super significant. I don't know why
Speaker 1: David Ferry Junior would be in touch with David Ferry
Speaker 1: Senior and there would be like no record of it
Speaker 1: other than the Eastern Airlines investigation. Why are they hiding
Speaker 1: David Ferry Junior's activities? So continue on. A clue to
Speaker 1: Fairy's activities may lie and the loss of Harry suffered.
Speaker 1: A fellow employee at Eastern recalls that when Fairy first
Speaker 1: joined the line, he was handsome and friendly, but in
Speaker 1: the end became moody and paranoiac, afraid the Communists were
Speaker 1: out to get him. The personality change coincided with a
Speaker 1: gradual loss of hair. First, a bald spot appeared, which
Speaker 1: Fairy explained was caused by acid dripping from a plane
Speaker 1: a plane battery. Then the hair began falling out in clumps.
Speaker 1: Fairy desperately studied medicine to try to halt the process
Speaker 1: until his body was entirely devoid of hair. One speculation
Speaker 1: is that he was moonlighting and suffered a psychological reaction
Speaker 1: to exposure to the extreme altitudes required for clandestine flights.
Speaker 1: Chinese Nationalists U two pilots reportedly have suffered the same
Speaker 1: hair loss phenomenon. I think this one particular column here
Speaker 1: is we already read through this earlier. I'll just go
Speaker 1: through it again. One of Fairy's covert tasks in New
Speaker 1: Orleans area was to drill small teams in guerrilla warfare.
Speaker 1: One of his young protegees had revealed that he had
Speaker 1: trained some of his CAAP cadets and Cubans and formed
Speaker 1: them into five man small weapons units, this under the
Speaker 1: auspices of the Marine Corps and State Department. Coupled with
Speaker 1: this the information from another former protege that Faery confided
Speaker 1: that he was working for the CIA rescuing Cubans out
Speaker 1: of Castro's prisons, and on one occasion was called to
Speaker 1: Miami so that the CIA could test him and see
Speaker 1: what the type of person he was who told his
Speaker 1: business to anybody. In a speech before the Military Order
Speaker 1: of World wars in New Orleans and late sixty one,
Speaker 1: Fairy related that he had piloted trained pilots in Guatemala
Speaker 1: for the Bay of Pigs and professed bitter disappointment they
Speaker 1: were not used. All right, all right, this looks I
Speaker 1: think this is new. What pages is on doesn't indicate.
Speaker 1: The probe refocused on Ferry, and on December fifteenth, he
Speaker 1: was brought in for further questioning. Asked pertinent details of
Speaker 1: the whirlwind Texas trip in sixty three, he begged lack
Speaker 1: of memory and referred as questioners to the FBI. What
Speaker 1: about the goose hunting? We did, in fact get to
Speaker 1: where the geese were, But there were thousands he re counted,
Speaker 1: but you couldn't approach him. They were a wise bunch
Speaker 1: of birds. Pressed for details on what took place at
Speaker 1: the ice rink, Ferry became irritated ice skate. What do
Speaker 1: you think? He snapped. It didn't take the DA's men
Speaker 1: long to poke holes in Fairiy's theory. Melvin Coffee, one
Speaker 1: of his companions on the sixty three Texas trip, deposed
Speaker 1: that it was not a sudden inspiration. Well, Coffee wasn't
Speaker 1: on that trip. The trip was arranged beforehand, Yes, how
Speaker 1: long before a couple of days? That's a quote, by
Speaker 1: the way. The probers also determined that no one had
Speaker 1: taken along any shotguns on the goose hunting trip in Houston.
Speaker 1: The ice skating alibi was similarly discredited. In nineteen sixty three,
Speaker 1: the FBI interviewed Chuck Roland, proprietor of the Winterland Skating Rink.
Speaker 1: Ferry contacted him by telephone. Notice how they skipped over
Speaker 1: his first name there. Fairy contacted him by telephone November
Speaker 1: twenty second, sixty three and asked for the skating schedule.
Speaker 1: A Bureau report, one of the few unclassified documents on Ferry,
Speaker 1: reveals mister Ferry stated that he was coming in from
Speaker 1: out of town and desired to do some skating while
Speaker 1: in Houston. On November twenty third, sixty three, between three
Speaker 1: thirty and five thirty pm, mister Ferry and two companions
Speaker 1: came to the rink and talked to mister Roland. The
Speaker 1: report continues that Ferry and Roland had a short general
Speaker 1: conversation and that Ferry remarked that he and his companions
Speaker 1: would be in and out of the skating rink during
Speaker 1: the Weekend commissioned Document three ZHO one. When Garrison's men
Speaker 1: recently talked to Roland, they obtained pertinent facts that the
Speaker 1: FBI had either missed or failed to report in nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty three. Roland was certain that none of the three
Speaker 1: men in Ferri's party had ice skated. Ah, that's false.
Speaker 1: That's not what he said. He said two of them
Speaker 1: I skated and Ferry did not. That's what he told him.
Speaker 1: So this article is clearly wrong. Ferry had spent the
Speaker 1: entire two hours he was at the rank, standing by
Speaker 1: the payphone, and finally received a call and made some calls.
Speaker 1: At Houston International Airport, more information was gleaned. Air service
Speaker 1: personnel seemed to recall that in nineteen sixty three, Ferry
Speaker 1: had access to an airplane based in Houston. In this craft,
Speaker 1: the flight to Matamoros would take little more than an hour.
Speaker 1: Ferry had patently lied about the purpose of the trip.
Speaker 1: One of the standard tactics of bank robbers is to
Speaker 1: escape from the scene of the crime in a hot
Speaker 1: car that cannot be traced to them, then switched to
Speaker 1: a cold car of their own to complete the getaway.
Speaker 1: Garrison considers it possible that Ferry may have been the
Speaker 1: pilot of the second craft in a two stage escape
Speaker 1: of the Dallas assassins to south of the border. That's
Speaker 1: complete fucking fantasy nonsense, or may have been slated to
Speaker 1: be a backup pilot in the event contingency plans were activated.
Speaker 1: Did Ferry know Oswald the pilot denied it, but the
Speaker 1: evidence mounts that he did. For example, there's now in
Speaker 1: Garrison's hands information that when Oswald was arrested by Dallas police,
Speaker 1: he had in his possession a current New Orleans Library
Speaker 1: card issued to David Ferry. That is completely false. I've
Speaker 1: dug deep into this story. It is complete nonsense. There
Speaker 1: was possibly a rumor that went around to this, but
Speaker 1: this didn't occur. I don't even know why the hell
Speaker 1: they made this shit up. It definitely did not happen.
Speaker 1: I do not believe the person we know is Oswald
Speaker 1: was interacting with David Ferry whatsoever. There's no reason for
Speaker 1: him to have had his library card period. Reinforcing the
Speaker 1: validity of this information is a Secret Service report on
Speaker 1: the questioning of Ferry by that agency when he was
Speaker 1: in federal custody in sixty three during an otherwise mild interrogation.
Speaker 1: Ferry was asked, strangely enough, if he lent his library
Speaker 1: card to Oswald. No, he replied, producing a card from
Speaker 1: the New Orleans Public Library in the name of doctor
Speaker 1: David Ferry. That card had expired, so David Ferry had
Speaker 1: his library card on him. So this whole story is nonsense.
Speaker 1: It was probably. Oh so it was Jack Martin. I forgot.
Speaker 1: This is Jack Martin. Bullshit. Jack Martin when he called
Speaker 1: the FBI and told him about David Ferry being in
Speaker 1: Fort Worth two days before the assassination and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: I believe at that point in time he told him
Speaker 1: that he had David Ferry's library card. I think that
Speaker 1: is the origin of this entire thing. It's bullshit from
Speaker 1: Jack Martin when he realized he was a suspect in
Speaker 1: Garrison's current investigation. Faerry seemed to deteriorate by the time
Speaker 1: he died on February twenty second, nineteen sixty seven. He
Speaker 1: was a nervous wreck, subsisting on endless cigarettes and cups
Speaker 1: of coffee, and had enough tranquilizers to pacify an army.
Speaker 1: He had sought out the press only days before his death,
Speaker 1: labeling the probe a fraud and complaining that he was
Speaker 1: the victim of a witch hunt. I suppose he has
Speaker 1: I suppose he has me. There is a quote. I
Speaker 1: suppose he has me, And then it seems to cut off,
Speaker 1: and then it picks up again. No number twenty seven.
Speaker 1: It is twenty second sixty three. There were many men
Speaker 1: in many places glancing at their watches. But if we
Speaker 1: do not fight for the truth now, we may never
Speaker 1: have another chance. Yeah, so it looks like it was
Speaker 1: this little column missing. Oh here it is, Okay, here
Speaker 1: we go. I suppose he has me pegged as a
Speaker 1: getaway pilot, he remarked bitterly. When Garrison delivered his epitaph
Speaker 1: of Ferry as one of history's most important individuals. Most
Speaker 1: of the press winked knowingly. The probe was, after all,
Speaker 1: a publicity stunt, and the DA had his headlines. Now
Speaker 1: that his prime suspect had conveniently passed away, he had
Speaker 1: the perfect excuse to inter his probe alongside the deceased pilot.
Speaker 1: But for DA Jim Garrison, it was not the end
Speaker 1: but the beginning. The FBI clear as a suspect on
Speaker 1: the morning after the assassination. As the nation lay stunned
Speaker 1: by grief, Garrison summoned his staff for the office for
Speaker 1: a brainstorming session to explore the post disability that Lee
Speaker 1: Harvey Oswald had accomplices in New Orleans, where the previous
Speaker 1: summer he had stumped the streets advocating fair play for Cuba.
Speaker 1: DA's men put out feelers into the city's netherworld, and
Speaker 1: it was first assistant DA Frank Klein who registered the feedback. First,
Speaker 1: a slight furtive sometime private eye named Jack S. Martin
Speaker 1: confided that David William Ferry had taken off on a
Speaker 1: sudden trip to Texas the afternoon of the assassination. The
Speaker 1: tipster knew Fairy well, although there was bad blood between them.
Speaker 1: Both had worked intermittently for the same detective firm W
Speaker 1: Guy Banister and Associates, and were affiliated with the Apostolic
Speaker 1: Orthodox Old Catholic Church, a sect steeped in theological anti communism.
Speaker 1: An exceptionally skilled pilot, Ferry had been dismissed from Eastern
Speaker 1: Airlines in nineteen sixty two due to publicity over alleged
Speaker 1: homosexual activities. According to Martin, Ferry had commanded a Civil
Speaker 1: Air Patrol Squadron, of which Oswald had once been a member.
Speaker 1: He had taught Oswald to shoot with a telescopic sight
Speaker 1: and had become involved with his protege in an assassination plot.
Speaker 1: Less than two weeks before the target date, Ferry had
Speaker 1: made a trip to Dallas. His assigned role in the assassination,
Speaker 1: Martin said was to fly the escaping conspirators to Matamoros, Mexico,
Speaker 1: near Brownsville, Texas. When Ferry returned to New Orleans on
Speaker 1: the Monday following President Kennedy's death, he was interrogated by
Speaker 1: the DA's office. He said his trip had been arranged
Speaker 1: on the spur of the moment with two companions, Alvin
Speaker 1: Boboo and Melvin Coffee. I still wonder why he tried
Speaker 1: to protect Layton Martin's and leave him out of it
Speaker 1: when it was clearly lighton Martins who went on the trip.
Speaker 1: He had driven straight through Houston Friday night. On Saturday afternoon,
Speaker 1: the three skated at an ice rank. That evening, they
Speaker 1: made the short jog to Galveston and hunted geese Sunday morning.
Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon, they headed back to New Orleans, but detoured
Speaker 1: to Alexandria, Louisiana to visit relatives of Bo Boof.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's interesting there's no interviews of Bob Boof's relatives at
Speaker 1: all that are basically unacknowledged in this tale. Do you
Speaker 1: think that'd be pretty goddamn important, wouldn't you think so, Alexandria,
Speaker 1: The FBI really dug into this hotel that was there
Speaker 1: that they knew that clay Shaw had stayed at in
Speaker 1: the past. They dug into that hotel. Garrison has some
Speaker 1: notations on it, but a lot of effort was put
Speaker 1: into that, and there there's no outcome of what they determined.
Speaker 1: So one thing that I find, and it slaps me
Speaker 1: in the face more and more the longer I do this.
Speaker 1: That when you go into Garrison's files or even the
Speaker 1: FBI or wherever, and there's like a ton of effort
Speaker 1: put into something, or a ton of effort put into someone,
Speaker 1: and then it goes nowhere, there's usually something more there
Speaker 1: than meets the eye. Right now, I'm looking into James Leuallen.
Speaker 1: I'm beginning to look into James Leuallen. He was a
Speaker 1: friend of in New Orleans. He's the Jimmy referenced in
Speaker 1: the Dear Bastard letter, and there was a decent amount
Speaker 1: of effort put into researching his background and stuff, and
Speaker 1: so I'm starting to think there was more to it
Speaker 1: than he was just a friend of Fairies. The amount
Speaker 1: of effort they put into him is telling me that
Speaker 1: there was something there that they were aware of. And
Speaker 1: so my kind of initial take on him was he
Speaker 1: worked in the car rental business at the time, and
Speaker 1: so I kind of had a suspicion that perhaps he
Speaker 1: maybe rented some of the cars that were used in
Speaker 1: this plot that I can't seem to like get a
Speaker 1: grip on who the owner was or whatnot, Right, like
Speaker 1: the light colored Ford Falcon station wagon. No idea who
Speaker 1: owned that Nune because all the records of it have
Speaker 1: Fairies Mercury Comment license plate on it, right, So I
Speaker 1: just kind of assumed that I don't even want to
Speaker 1: say assumed, assume it's too strong overword, but I kind
Speaker 1: of had the inkling that James le Well was perhaps
Speaker 1: involved in renting some of the cars that we can't identify,
Speaker 1: but perhaps there's more. Right And so my point is,
Speaker 1: if they put a lot of effort into something and
Speaker 1: it doesn't go anywhere. You might want to try to
Speaker 1: take it somewhere because there might be something there. They
Speaker 1: didn't put all that effort in for no reason. Right,
Speaker 1: people who are minimal on the outskirts in the background,
Speaker 1: you can tell the FBI has like a one page report.
Speaker 1: I spoke to this person and got his information, and
Speaker 1: he doesn't really seem to be involved, n FI, you know,
Speaker 1: no further information. And so when they do put in,
Speaker 1: you know, fifty pages of documents on somebody, there might
Speaker 1: be something there, all right? Where did I leave off?
Speaker 1: All right? Garrison was unconvinced by Fairy's account, and all
Speaker 1: night dashed through the worst rainstorm in years to start
Speaker 1: a mercurial junket of over one thousand miles in three
Speaker 1: days for recreational purposes was too much to swallow. It
Speaker 1: was a curious trip to a curious place at a
Speaker 1: curious time, The DA recalls. He booked Ferry as a
Speaker 1: fugitive from Texas and handed him over to the FBI.
Speaker 1: The g men questioned him intensively, then released him. Since
Speaker 1: the forty odd pages recording the FBI interrogation of Fairy
Speaker 1: are still classified at the National Archives, one can surmise
Speaker 1: the reasons the Bureau stamped its file on him closed.
Speaker 1: All right, we need that, don't we. Let me screenshot
Speaker 1: this for a reminder, but there's a forty page file
Speaker 1: on David Ferry's recordings of his interview that weekend. That
Speaker 1: so it should have been what Sunday, Monday Tuesday. Apparently
Speaker 1: the FBI did not take the plot the pilot too seriously.
Speaker 1: A short bureau document the National Archives revealed Ferry had
Speaker 1: admitted being publicly and privately critical of Kennedy for withholding
Speaker 1: air cover at the Bay of Pigs, and had used
Speaker 1: expressions like he ought to be shot, but agents agreed
Speaker 1: he did not mean the threats literally. Most convincing at
Speaker 1: the time, the fact that Ferry did not leave New
Speaker 1: Orleans until hours after the assassination seemed to rule out
Speaker 1: his role as a getaway pilot. All right, let me
Speaker 1: just comment on this real quick. That's bullshit. David Ferry
Speaker 1: was in Fort Worth two days before the assassination, as
Speaker 1: per Jack Martin, who told the FBI the truth because
Speaker 1: he was angry and hated David Ferry. That's where all
Speaker 1: the library card stuff comes from. But here where it
Speaker 1: says that Ferry did not leave New Orleans until hours
Speaker 1: after the assassination. Well, who the hell are his witnesses?
Speaker 1: His alibi witnesses A bunch of mobsters, g Ray Gill,
Speaker 1: Alice Gui, DROs and Regis Kennedy. That's it. That's it.
Speaker 1: A corrupt FBI agent who worked directly for Hoover as
Speaker 1: New Orleans point man on the Cubans, and a bunch
Speaker 1: of mobsters and the mobster's lawyer and his secretary. Give
Speaker 1: me a fucking break, Give me a fucking break. David
Speaker 1: Ferry was the man seen by Eda Hoffman behind the
Speaker 1: pick of fence. So the alibi story is complete bullshit.
Speaker 1: The see, this is where you got to like reverse
Speaker 1: engineer stuff, right, so what you got first? First you
Speaker 1: have to look at the statements he gave to Garrison.
Speaker 1: A perfect example of this is the in the JFK
Speaker 1: movie when he talks to Ferry that summarizes the whole
Speaker 1: thing in a nutshell. Right, he knows David Ferry is
Speaker 1: full of shit. He knows it right, contradicting his story,
Speaker 1: doesn't remember where he went all that stuff, and then
Speaker 1: he's interrogated for a couple of days, paid a visit
Speaker 1: by John Corporan, and then he's let go and he's
Speaker 1: given a squeaky clean, you know, bill of health, basically
Speaker 1: saying he was not in Dallas. Bullshit, He was in Dallas.
Speaker 1: The FBI covered it up. Everyone covered it up because
Speaker 1: everyone fucking knew. Everyone knew. So all right, I'll get
Speaker 1: off my high horse and continue on Moreover, the stints
Speaker 1: and monoplane he then owned was sitting at lake Front
Speaker 1: Airport in unfliable condition. That's because he drove dumbass. Accepting
Speaker 1: the FBI's judgment, Garrison dropped his investigation. I had full
Speaker 1: confidence in the FBI, ben he explains, there was no
Speaker 1: reason to try and second guess them. Then it seems
Speaker 1: to pick up here, and this is probably the end
Speaker 1: of the article. Constraint barely sufficient for a man to
Speaker 1: get off two shots from a bolt action rifle, much
Speaker 1: less three. And I don't know where that came from.
Speaker 1: The DA's mind reverted to the strange trip of pilot
Speaker 1: David Ferry, and he began to wonder how perceptive the
Speaker 1: FBI had really been in dismissing the whole thing. When
Speaker 1: he returned to New Orleans, he went into virtual seclusion
Speaker 1: in his study at home, lubricating over Luke. I don't
Speaker 1: know where this is Luke q braiding over the volumes
Speaker 1: of the Warren Report. When he became convinced that Oswald
Speaker 1: could not have acted alone and that at least a
Speaker 1: phase of the conspiracy had been centered in New Orleans,
Speaker 1: he committed his office to a full scale probe. He
Speaker 1: launched it quietly, preferring to work more efficiently in the dark.
Speaker 1: And it looks like that is the end of that article.
Speaker 1: What do we have next? Memorandum to Jim Garrison from
Speaker 1: Richard V. Burn's assisting District attorney. This is a Garrison
Speaker 1: document in regards to investigation of lead for relationship with
Speaker 1: Clay Shawn David Ferry. Lead four indicates that our office
Speaker 1: has information that won Patrick Burke, an attorney, is aware
Speaker 1: of the relationship between Sean Ferry on January nineteenth sixty eight.
Speaker 1: On January ninth, nineteen sixty eight, at about two thirty PM,
Speaker 1: I spoke to Patrick Burke, an attorney in New Orleans,
Speaker 1: on the telephone. He stated he neither knows Clay Shaw,
Speaker 1: nor David Ferry, nor any reason why our office would
Speaker 1: have information that he's aware of such a relationship between
Speaker 1: the two subjects. A transcript of our telephone conversation has
Speaker 1: been prepared and will be attached to this memorandum. I've
Speaker 1: known Patrick Burke since nineteen fifty nine, at which time
Speaker 1: we both entered Tulane Law School in the freshman class.
Speaker 1: I have never known anything that would cast suspicion on
Speaker 1: his credibility. Further investigation will be made if the informant
Speaker 1: can be contacted. Signed Richard V. Burns. The following is
Speaker 1: a telephone interview between Assistant District Attorney Richard V. Burns
Speaker 1: an attorney at law, Patrick Burke. This interview was conducted
Speaker 1: January ninth, nineteen sixty eight. This is Richard Burns in
Speaker 1: the District Attorney's office. Would you see if mister Patrick
Speaker 1: Burke is available to talk with me. I don't believe
Speaker 1: he's in. Just a moment, he's not in me. I
Speaker 1: take a message. Would you have him give me a call? Please?
Speaker 1: Would you give your name again? Richard Burns? And he
Speaker 1: spells it, thank you. When do you expect him in?
Speaker 1: He should be in shortly. He went to lunch. All right,
Speaker 1: thank you, goodbye. I hate to keep you waiting, but
Speaker 1: I was out of my office. I was near the
Speaker 1: coffee pot when you called. Listen, you might be able
Speaker 1: to help me out with something. Okay, weren't you in
Speaker 1: the CP in the Civil Air Patrol? No? No, I
Speaker 1: was merchant Marine type. Uh huh, seagoing. I knew you
Speaker 1: had some military background, and I thought you were in
Speaker 1: Civil Air Patrol. And I'm checking in the background of
Speaker 1: David Ferry, and I understood that you knew him or something. No,
Speaker 1: not me. You didn't know him in any way at all. No,
Speaker 1: uh huh, CAP, I don't even know anybody in the CAP.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact. Oh well, I didn't have
Speaker 1: any information that you were in the CAAP. But I
Speaker 1: did hear that you knew David Ferry, and I figured
Speaker 1: you probably knew him from the CAP. Oh no, I gee,
Speaker 1: I've never heard of Ferry until I read his name
Speaker 1: in the papers. As a matter of fact, Uh, what
Speaker 1: about Shaw? Did you know Shaw or anything?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Uh huh, Pat, I've got some information that came to me.
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what my source is, but that
Speaker 1: you knew Shaw and Ferry and some relationship between the
Speaker 1: two of them or really, Yeah, that's right, no kidding,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to check out with you. No,
Speaker 1: I assure you are. I didn't hear these people till
Speaker 1: I read their names in the papers when this came up.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: Well, this could have happened from something you might have
Speaker 1: said in just casual conversation. Could you think of anything
Speaker 1: that might have led someone to think this? Gosh, no,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think so. Quite Frankly, I haven't even been
Speaker 1: following this matter after it broke some time ago.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: And actually there's been no scuttle but even you know
Speaker 1: that I participated in about this, okay, So I don't
Speaker 1: think it could have been anything that anybody could have
Speaker 1: picked up, right, do you know Hugh Crane Hugh Crane No,
Speaker 1: uh uh, that's hug h c r Ai n No
Speaker 1: from Baton Rouge.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: And there's no way that you can think of anything
Speaker 1: any time that you were around a group where they
Speaker 1: were talking about David Ferry or Clayshaw. In other words,
Speaker 1: what I'd like to do is trace this thing back
Speaker 1: to its source, because that way I'm either investigating bad
Speaker 1: information or something that might have been said casually. You know,
Speaker 1: and I want to find out. Gosh, no, you know,
Speaker 1: this subject has probably been kicked around by everybody in town.
Speaker 1: But this is outside of my realm of law, strictly
Speaker 1: in Admiralty, right, I knew that and know nothing about
Speaker 1: criminal law. So really I haven't been too even interested
Speaker 1: in the whole matter. Quite frankly, uh huh. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: things like this happened. For instance, a wife of one
Speaker 1: of the announcers made some statement that she actually made,
Speaker 1: and she actually made it. We traced it all the
Speaker 1: way back to her and it was just casual conversation,
Speaker 1: but we did actually trace it back to the time
Speaker 1: it was said to someone else, you know, who accepted
Speaker 1: it as true and then passed it on to us. See,
Speaker 1: and that's what I'm digging out now. But you don't know,
Speaker 1: a hu Crane, No, I sure don't. Of course, you know,
Speaker 1: I was raised, you know, I was raised in Lake Charles,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, maybe back in my school days.
Speaker 1: I don't know. The name doesn't ring a bell with
Speaker 1: me at all. Let's see, before tu Lane, where'd you
Speaker 1: go before law school? Well, of course I went at
Speaker 1: the I was at the Merchant Marine Academy, in New
Speaker 1: York before you know.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: Then I went to see for or for three years.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: And prior to that, I was well raised in Lake Charles.
Speaker 1: Uh huh. Do you know anybody that might do this
Speaker 1: as a practical joke? No, I don't. If someone was
Speaker 1: to ask me a question like that, I have a
Speaker 1: list so long that no, you really catch me by surprise.
Speaker 1: I thought maybe you were playing a practical joke on me. No,
Speaker 1: positively not. My little note here says information indicates one
Speaker 1: Patrick Burke, an attorney is to where the relationship between
Speaker 1: Sean Ferry. Although Burke appears to be a New Orleans attorney,
Speaker 1: and this information appears to have come from Baton Rouge,
Speaker 1: and they referred me to a memorandum.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: So that's I don't even know anybody in Baton Rouge.
Speaker 1: Frankly outside the law field. You know people lawyers I
Speaker 1: deal with over there.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: Now, there's no other Patrick Burke that are attorneys. There
Speaker 1: are a couple other Burkes. Well, there's a couple other
Speaker 1: there's one Pat Burke that ran for office. Was getting
Speaker 1: me confused, and I was getting calls for him all
Speaker 1: the time. This is not the same one. That's a
Speaker 1: brother of the guy that ran for may or, is it? God?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Now you mean Paul Burke. Yeah, I don't know. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of Burke's in New Orleans, and there's one
Speaker 1: Pat Burke. But I don't think he's a lawyer. Of course,
Speaker 1: if he ran for political office, he might be a lawyer.
Speaker 1: Do you recall you're the only Burke listed as Pat
Speaker 1: Burke listed in the telephone directory. Do you recall this
Speaker 1: other Pat Burke you might have known, or when he
Speaker 1: ran or what he ran for. Oh? Well, let's see.
Speaker 1: I saw a bumper sticker. This is about three months ago.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: Now, wait a minute, I got the Burkes in the
Speaker 1: phone book directory. Here, now let me see, And there
Speaker 1: was a fireman by the name of Burke, Pat Burke,
Speaker 1: an elder day gentleman. There's a fireman by that name.
Speaker 1: And let's see, all right, there's a Patrick B. Burke
Speaker 1: at ninety one to two Inez Drive in Jefferson Parish.
Speaker 1: You know who he is. No, I don't know any
Speaker 1: other Burkes other than Jimmy Burke. Here, let's see, there's
Speaker 1: a Patrick Burke fifteen forty nine constance. Do you know him? No?
Speaker 1: And there's a Patrick Burke, okay, that would be me. Now,
Speaker 1: Patrick Elberke, all right, that's both listed as attorney. And
Speaker 1: there's a Patrick W. Burke, no senior. Well, it might
Speaker 1: be that they meant one of these other Patrick Burks.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Dick, as I was saying, I haven't
Speaker 1: even been interested in the proceedings. I've been tied up
Speaker 1: in my own little field over here. Yeah, I imagine
Speaker 1: it keeps you pretty busy, but those names mean absolutely
Speaker 1: nothing to me.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: Do you know anybody close to you that was discussing
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to dig some information out of someone,
Speaker 1: but I'm trying to find out how this got initiated
Speaker 1: so that I can trace it down, I understand, right.
Speaker 1: In other words, get it right back to the fountain
Speaker 1: head and neither say that it was cause a misreport
Speaker 1: or just you know, the people that I run around
Speaker 1: with socially or all my partners and like myself were
Speaker 1: really not interested in these legal proceedings at all. I mean,
Speaker 1: we talk about our own law legal problems. You know,
Speaker 1: would anyone play any pranks on you that would telephone
Speaker 1: pranks or anything. No, not that I know of, Dick,
Speaker 1: uh huh, except I did get a little prank that
Speaker 1: I thought was quite funny not too long ago in
Speaker 1: the mail about whether or not I'd take the place
Speaker 1: of some herman who was sitting as an idiot for
Speaker 1: some evangelist I think, or something of that nature. Did
Speaker 1: you ever find out who who it was? No? I
Speaker 1: never did. Now, with admiralty practice, unless you're representing claimants,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have many people that would go out with
Speaker 1: any vindictiveness and do something. Well, no, because my clients
Speaker 1: are all insurance. I'm strictly defense. Yeah, okay, my contacts
Speaker 1: are all in London, really right, so you wouldn't have
Speaker 1: this kind of thing. No, uhh Well, you've helped me
Speaker 1: a lot. Now I'm going to get to this memorandum
Speaker 1: from hu Crane that I'm referring to here, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to go over it and it may have some
Speaker 1: information in hear that we can check out, or maybe
Speaker 1: you can recognize or something so I can trace it down.
Speaker 1: And they may even be mistaken about that. Patrick Burke. Oh,
Speaker 1: here's another thing. Have you ever been mistaken for another
Speaker 1: Burke who's an attorney not in New Orleans. No. In
Speaker 1: other words, have you ever gotten any letters or calls
Speaker 1: or any Oh? Yeah, I've been getting letters up here
Speaker 1: and attorney for Pat Burke, and I'm getting calls all
Speaker 1: the time wanting me to represent a divorce or something
Speaker 1: of that nature. You know. No, what I mean is
Speaker 1: that belonged to another attorney named Pat Burke. For instance.
Speaker 1: I'm always at if I'm related to one of the
Speaker 1: Burns that are practicing law, and I'm always telling them no,
Speaker 1: uh huh, no, I can't say that I have Dick.
Speaker 1: Uh huh. Well, this helps me out, Pat, And if
Speaker 1: I find anything further on the memorandum, I'll give you
Speaker 1: a call back. Feel free to do so. Okay, thank
Speaker 1: you very much, all right, goodbye. So that's an interesting
Speaker 1: letter for them to spend a lot of time on
Speaker 1: in this file. For it to not go anywhere, so
Speaker 1: tells me there might be something to it. Who else
Speaker 1: is in the Merchant Marine? Well we got Andrew Blackman, right,
Speaker 1: all right? So it says now we're moving into the
Speaker 1: David Ferry file number three, and this is section one.
Speaker 1: Memorandum January twenty fifth, sixty eight to Jim Garrison from
Speaker 1: Richard Burns, Assistic District Attorney reference Clay Shaw conspiracy to
Speaker 1: murder John Kennedy. On January eleventh, sixty eight. I returned
Speaker 1: the telephone call which our office received on January tenth,
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight. The call came from now A Tayat, Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: The calling number was two seven three three two two six.
Speaker 1: The calling party was a mister Robinson. The telephone is
Speaker 1: not that of mister Robinson's, but that of a neighbor.
Speaker 1: Mister Robinson read to me a statement from a John M.
Speaker 1: Tucker which he had received. The statement related to the
Speaker 1: involvement of Dave Ferry and Clay Shaw in a conspiracy
Speaker 1: to murder John Kennedy. Mister Robinson does not know the
Speaker 1: present location of John Tucker, but he will forward the
Speaker 1: letter to us in an attempt to locate Tucker. A
Speaker 1: transcript of the conversation is attached. Telephone conversation between mister Robinson, Nowateea, Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: and Richard Burns, Assistant District Attorney. I have a letter
Speaker 1: and something's redacted and it said and he told me,
Speaker 1: mister Burns says, I'm aware of it. I thought maybe
Speaker 1: he might want to see the letter. All right, who is?
Speaker 1: Can you tell me something about the letter? I have it.
Speaker 1: I could read it to you. Well, I'm interested in
Speaker 1: hearing about it because right now, you see, I don't
Speaker 1: know who you really are, or really what the letters
Speaker 1: are about or anything. Oh yeah, let me get it.
Speaker 1: I'll read it to you. All right. Do you have
Speaker 1: it there, I'll get it real quick. Are you ready? Right,
Speaker 1: it says, I'll read it exactly like it was written. Okay,
Speaker 1: it says I, John M. Tucker give this paper to
Speaker 1: JJ Robertson on the above date, putting my signature to
Speaker 1: it that its authority will be known. I was in
Speaker 1: New Orleans in the first wait just a second, in
Speaker 1: the first quarter of nineteen sixty two, and there I
Speaker 1: met an individual now under investigation for the conspiracy of
Speaker 1: the murder of John F. Kennedy. At the time, I
Speaker 1: did not know of any conspiracy or plan and was
Speaker 1: never a member of any right or left wing party,
Speaker 1: merely an individual exposed for a short time to the
Speaker 1: planning of a distorted person. I judged the individual to
Speaker 1: be something of a homosexual and thought to go along
Speaker 1: for a laugh.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: I bet that's why you went along. However, since the
Speaker 1: beginning of this investigation, I have come to realize that
Speaker 1: the individual was none other than Faerry. Is that it Fairy?
Speaker 1: He introduced himself and is now deceased. I was introduced
Speaker 1: to another person by Fairy, who is now very much
Speaker 1: alive and claims no knowledge of who Ferry was and
Speaker 1: is signed by John Tucker. All right, now, let me
Speaker 1: ask you something. Did he explain to you anything further
Speaker 1: besides the letter? Yeah, he did. Who was the person
Speaker 1: he was referring to that's alive? As what? Who is
Speaker 1: the live person he's referring to? Just a minute, mister Robinson.
Speaker 1: It says here that sooner or later his name will
Speaker 1: come up in the investigation. Uh huh and redacted? Something's
Speaker 1: redacted here? If not, then my and redacted. If not,
Speaker 1: then my description of him as he says here, Well,
Speaker 1: sooner or later his name will come up in the investigation. Now,
Speaker 1: this individual that gave me this, uh huh. Now, let
Speaker 1: me ask you this. What is your address where I
Speaker 1: can get in touch with you? You have the phone number
Speaker 1: where you can get in touch with me, right? Can
Speaker 1: you give me a street address or anything? One O
Speaker 1: eight North mccaffe mccafarrow. Want to wait where north mccafarrow
Speaker 1: mc c A F F E R O. Okay? And
Speaker 1: now what do you do for a living? Normally? I'm
Speaker 1: just a mechanic. Are you employed at any place right now? Yes, sir?
Speaker 1: Can you tell me where that is? For my father?
Speaker 1: And all right? And where is his business located? Tulsa, Oklahoma?
Speaker 1: And what's the name of his business or how? In
Speaker 1: other words, I want to be able to get in
Speaker 1: touch with you in case I need to call you
Speaker 1: or something. Well, you can call me right here at
Speaker 1: this phone number, which would be okay, all right? Now,
Speaker 1: this Tucker guy, how can I get in touch with him?
Speaker 1: The last time I seen him he was in Muskegee.
Speaker 1: He was going to Muskegee. Well, now, isn't that near
Speaker 1: where Norman, Oklahoma is in Oklahoma City? Around there Muskegee?
Speaker 1: Uh huh No, Mstige's right over there by Tulsa. Oh,
Speaker 1: I see. You wouldn't know how to get in touch
Speaker 1: with him, now, no, right off, I wouldn't, but I
Speaker 1: could probably write a letter, make two or three phone
Speaker 1: calls and get in touch with them. I would like
Speaker 1: to get in touch with them, you know, it was
Speaker 1: a witness. I'd also like to get a copy of
Speaker 1: that statement, if it's at all possible. That's the reason
Speaker 1: why I saved it.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: He told me that if anything was to happen to
Speaker 1: him to mail this to you.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: I decided I'd go ahead and do it anyway. Well,
Speaker 1: if you would, it would help us an awful lot,
Speaker 1: if you know, for us to have this information, I'd
Speaker 1: really like to get you know the name of your
Speaker 1: daddy so that I could locate you through him in
Speaker 1: case we ever lost connection with each other. If you
Speaker 1: feel like you can give it to me now, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't alert him to anything, you know. If I had
Speaker 1: to call you, well, I'll tell you what you see.
Speaker 1: My problem is that you may move, and you may
Speaker 1: be intending to let me know, and a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks may pass or something, And it would help a
Speaker 1: lot if I knew how to get in touch with you. Well,
Speaker 1: if you want to write a letter, or if you
Speaker 1: want to call me, you can call me at this
Speaker 1: phone number, because I'll always be within the hollowing distance
Speaker 1: of it. Okay, Now, how far is Noah ti from?
Speaker 1: From Tulsa fifty two miles fifty two miles and you
Speaker 1: drive to work each day over in and then that's redacted. Right,
Speaker 1: I guess this information, and you will send me a
Speaker 1: copy of the letter. Well, would you rather have a
Speaker 1: photostatic copy of it? Either a copy of the letter?
Speaker 1: Either one is fine. Well, look here, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what I can do. I can mail this letter just
Speaker 1: as it's written here. Uh huh, and another little piece
Speaker 1: of paper which I didn't read to you, and I'll
Speaker 1: just stick it right here in the uh huh, and
Speaker 1: I'll mail it to you.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: Did he tell you who the other man is? In
Speaker 1: other words, yes, he did. He told me a lot
Speaker 1: of things about it. Can you tell me who it is? No,
Speaker 1: I can't remember what the guy's name was. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what he did. He was a manufacturer, a coffee company. No,
Speaker 1: I believe it was clothing clothing manufacturer, yes, sir, And
Speaker 1: i'd know his name if i'd ever hear it. Well,
Speaker 1: the thing is, I don't know the names of all
Speaker 1: the people under the investigation. Maybe that we have the name,
Speaker 1: but you do, I said, it may be, But I
Speaker 1: mean I wouldn't know necessarily because there's a lot of
Speaker 1: us working on it, you see. Yeah, so that's why
Speaker 1: I wish I could remember the name. But he didn't
Speaker 1: put any name in here except for Faery or far
Speaker 1: or whatever Faery right now. Did he tell you anything
Speaker 1: about his clothing manufacturers or anything else about other information
Speaker 1: you can pass on to me. He told me they
Speaker 1: were at a party.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: At the time he knew there was something connecting a
Speaker 1: big politician involved.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: And uh they asked him to go along with I
Speaker 1: don't see why that because they didn't didn't because he's
Speaker 1: that type of person anyway. Uh huh. You mean he's
Speaker 1: involved in criminal conduct himself. Uh huh. And this says
Speaker 1: here that I knew there was something in the wind
Speaker 1: about a big politician, but I didn't know what or
Speaker 1: who at the time.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: And Ferry introduced me to several people. Did he ever
Speaker 1: mention the name of Clay Shaw to you at any time?
Speaker 1: Clay Shaw, that's it. That's the person. That's the person,
Speaker 1: that's the person. Well he is presently under charges down here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Well that's him.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: Did he use the name Clay Bertrand also or not
Speaker 1: Bertrand Bertrand clam or Clay Bertrand, Clay Bertrand. Well, is
Speaker 1: he known as Bert? I don't know if he's known
Speaker 1: as Bert. He did, but otherwise I couldn't say. Well,
Speaker 1: this is going to help us a lot. I do
Speaker 1: wish you could tell us how to get in touch
Speaker 1: with Tucker, you know, some way where we could see
Speaker 1: if he wants to help us. Well, i'll try, all right.
Speaker 1: I'll appreciate it very much, And if I can get
Speaker 1: in touch with them, I'll have to.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: I don't know what he'll say.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: But he he had a feeling and was going to
Speaker 1: get in bad trouble or something over there, uh huh.
Speaker 1: And he told me if he didn't, if he did
Speaker 1: come up missing or anything, that to mail this letter
Speaker 1: down to mister Garrison. All right, Well, let me say this.
Speaker 1: If he didn't have any part in any plan or
Speaker 1: plot or conspiracy, then there's no way he could get
Speaker 1: in trouble from us. If he's a witness, there's just
Speaker 1: no way that he could get in any trouble. Quite frankly,
Speaker 1: if he took part in something like that, he would
Speaker 1: be in trouble if we found out about it. Naturally.
Speaker 1: But the point of it is, if he's just a witness,
Speaker 1: just happened to be there and had no participation, he'd
Speaker 1: have nothing to worry about. And if we used him
Speaker 1: as a witness and he had to come down here,
Speaker 1: we would certainly pay the expenses to bring him down here,
Speaker 1: which you know we're required to do under a law anyway,
Speaker 1: but we would not try to embarrass him. I'd quite
Speaker 1: frankly like to talk to him and see if what
Speaker 1: information he has. Do you think he was telling you
Speaker 1: the truth or do you think that he was making
Speaker 1: it up? Yes, I really believe the boy was well,
Speaker 1: he has no reason to tell me lies about anything.
Speaker 1: And the way he talked to when we were discussing socialism.
Speaker 2: And whatnot, uh huh.
Speaker 1: And he's pretty well set in his way of life.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: Well, if you can help me get him, find out
Speaker 1: how to locate him, I will certainly appreciate it, and
Speaker 1: I will look forward to the letter. I'll register this.
Speaker 1: Can you send it to either Jim Garrison or Richard Burns.
Speaker 1: Richard Burns and he gives him his information, that's right.
Speaker 1: I'm an assistant district attorney. Twenty seven hundred tu lane right,
Speaker 1: and then they keep going on they clarify that bunch
Speaker 1: of stuff. I'm gonna need your help to get in
Speaker 1: touch with them, and i'd love to have an address
Speaker 1: for them. I don't know for sure. The truth is,
Speaker 1: since you're the only one that knows how to get
Speaker 1: in touch with them, I won't be able to find
Speaker 1: them unless you can help me do it. All right,
Speaker 1: they're just wrapping up, and that is the end of
Speaker 1: the conversation, and we're gonna call it here for today.
Speaker 1: But let me just scroll through the next couple pages. Oh,
Speaker 1: we have something here that says a Commission document seventy five. Okay,
Speaker 1: so there is a series of documents. It's supposed to
Speaker 1: be like two hundred and fifty plus documents, and the
Speaker 1: name of the documents are Commission Documents one through whatever. Okay,
Speaker 1: we've got like five percent of those documents. Okay, the
Speaker 1: vast majority of them are gone. And John Armstrong had
Speaker 1: a very strong inkling that that's where all the good
Speaker 1: stuff is in these missing commission documents, and so if
Speaker 1: anyone's going to ask for documents, that's what we need
Speaker 1: to be getting. But here this has Commission Documents seventy
Speaker 1: five Report a Special Agent Warren C. Debris dated twelve
Speaker 1: two sixty three at Dallas, Texas Analysis of Classified Pages.
Speaker 1: The above document, in two volumes and seven hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty seven pages long, is one of the most important
Speaker 1: FBI reports in the archives. It also contains more material
Speaker 1: about New Orleans than any other document, including the forty
Speaker 1: classified pages on David Ferry. It is also the document
Speaker 1: which Wegman was looking at on May tenth, like all
Speaker 1: the bulky documents pertaining to the assassination, and is in
Speaker 1: the List B category, which means it is unclassified, but
Speaker 1: numerous pages are withdrawn at the request of the FBI.
Speaker 1: Portions of the document have been published as CES nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty six to nineteen forty two. Oh how long is
Speaker 1: this thing?
Speaker 2: One?
Speaker 1: Two? Okay, here we start to get into some good stuff.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna call it here and we'll pick this
Speaker 1: up tomorrow because this starts to get into some really
Speaker 1: good stuff and all of this stuff we're gonna go over
Speaker 1: needs further investigations. So anyone out there who is into research,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need some help and dig in some of
Speaker 1: this data up. So that is gonna do it for
Speaker 1: me today. Thank you everybody for tuning in, and I'll
Speaker 1: be back tomorrow