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Speaker 2: so mark your calendars. Today's guest is Justin l. Shaw.
Speaker 2: He says he's a little bit deepok and part Tupac,
Speaker 2: and we're about to find that out, honestly, and he's
Speaker 2: all about healing with a healthy dose of humor. He's
Speaker 2: a former stand up comedian turned spiritual guide at least
Speaker 2: I think so. Justin's journey from heavy drug addiction to
Speaker 2: emotional enlightenment is as crazy as it is inspiring. Drawing
Speaker 2: from the Twelve Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous, Justin's own thirteen
Speaker 2: Rungs of Sorcery don't just target drug and alcohol issues.
Speaker 2: They tackle everything from phone addiction to soul sucking materialism because,
Speaker 2: let's face it, spiritual bankruptcy can take many forms. So
Speaker 2: if you're ready to laugh your way to a healthier soul,
Speaker 2: Justin's got you covered. Justin, how's it going, great, man?
Speaker 1: How are you? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I'm doing good over here in sunny Barbados where it's
Speaker 2: always steamy hot.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's sunny Phoenix, Arizona where I'm at, and
Speaker 1: it's a different kind of hot. It's sawn, not over
Speaker 1: steam room here.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I've been there, so I know what you're
Speaker 2: talking about.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well today's a more one for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So you were a former stand up comedian. Why'd
Speaker 2: you stop?
Speaker 1: Well? Good question. So I have suffered from all kinds
Speaker 1: of mental slash emotional issues throughout my life, and you know,
Speaker 1: they've all kind of all these things that I've been
Speaker 1: through all have one kind of similar root, cause that's
Speaker 1: branched all these different things for me, like ADHD, and
Speaker 1: I've had depression issues and anxiety issues and substance abuse
Speaker 1: issues and all these different branches, but it's one root cause,
Speaker 1: like we went over, it's that spiritual bankruptcy. And I
Speaker 1: stopped doing comedy because I just so I went. I
Speaker 1: moved to LA from Phoenix after college just to pursue
Speaker 1: a dream. I knew I was funny, I knew I
Speaker 1: could make people laugh, so I would do comedy there,
Speaker 1: just like in open mics, nothing major at all, just
Speaker 1: open mics around the town. And but I was always
Speaker 1: really high when I was doing it. Xana's in particular,
Speaker 1: Opiate's just things that made me forget and get me
Speaker 1: more loose, so I didn't have like panic attacks when
Speaker 1: I hit the stage. So things got really out of
Speaker 1: hand with drug addiction there, and I just I eventually
Speaker 1: went to rehab out in California and got sober, and
Speaker 1: then I tried to do stand up comedy without the drugs.
Speaker 1: And although I felt funny, the panic attacks and the
Speaker 1: anxiety and being in that scene that it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's very much a scene that isn't too healthy for
Speaker 1: those of us with substance abuse issues. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of drinking and just that whole night club. I mean,
Speaker 1: and you have to wait all day before you go
Speaker 1: on stage, like it's just anxiety riddled and then the
Speaker 1: panic attacks and the bad scene. I was just like,
Speaker 1: this isn't this isn't for me. So I just kind
Speaker 1: of gave it up and you know, put comedy in
Speaker 1: my pocket and realizing that now, you know, I get
Speaker 1: to reinvent the whole new thing, and you know, I'd
Speaker 1: like to use this book to kind of become a
Speaker 1: mystical comedian is what I call it. It's not a
Speaker 1: thing until now hopefully, and do kind of stand up
Speaker 1: philosophy and kind of kind of combine the two worlds
Speaker 1: of comedy. I've I see a lot of my spiritual
Speaker 1: leaders and teachers and you have your comedians, and I
Speaker 1: don't see a lot of mixing in between the two.
Speaker 1: And I found that, like, wow, I could really you know,
Speaker 1: spirituality and trauma healing and it doesn't have to all
Speaker 1: be serious. It's sometimes needs to be serious, but it
Speaker 1: can be really fun and funny too. And so the
Speaker 1: book I wrote is is there's it's just a it's
Speaker 1: a cycling of laugh thing feel, you know, like I
Speaker 1: had to keep the shattered concentration of generation TikTok. So
Speaker 1: I knew, like I had to really keep people's attention,
Speaker 1: and the comedy really keeps people's attention, like it really
Speaker 1: like you know, you laugh and then you feel something
Speaker 1: and think and then like so I just I really
Speaker 1: I leaned on my skills a lot to write this book,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to continue to lean on them, you know.
Speaker 1: I hope to do lectures and things like that. This
Speaker 1: is very much the beginning. The book's been out like
Speaker 1: five weeks, and like, I have plans and visions for
Speaker 1: the future, but right now, I just want to get
Speaker 1: get that book out there and just let people know
Speaker 1: who I am, and then hopefully maybe people will show
Speaker 1: up and hear what I have to say.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's jump into the book's concept and the purpose. Really.
Speaker 2: So the title of the book is sorcery one on one.
Speaker 4: Is that?
Speaker 3: Am I?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? So stem wrong to higher elevation consciousness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So explain what sorcery means in this context
Speaker 2: and how that connects to the idea of elevating your consciousness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so sorcery. Let's let's get this straight here. So
Speaker 1: sorcery is spelled with you. So this isn't you know,
Speaker 1: you can leave your footed robes and cauldrons in the
Speaker 1: closet for now, and uh, you know, get your magic
Speaker 1: wands out when you're doing your Harry Potter thing. This
Speaker 1: is not Hogwarts. And I'm not Dumbledore. I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not that kind of a sorcerer, my sports sorceress. But
Speaker 1: to the you, So we're using source energy, which is
Speaker 1: where we all came from and where we're all going
Speaker 1: to the energy that fills space to heal trauma and thrive,
Speaker 1: to make heal and thrive. That's that's that's the two
Speaker 1: key points that to sorcery. And I use that. So
Speaker 1: it's kind of it's it's a it's a step by
Speaker 1: step or rung by wrung guide to become a sorcerer
Speaker 1: with a you. And so it is. And and I
Speaker 1: kind of bird that I had all this stuff in
Speaker 1: my head, you know, after a series of horrible events
Speaker 1: and you know, things in my childhood and just all
Speaker 1: the horrible things, and then in my adulthood, I had
Speaker 1: a series of four years where just I had just
Speaker 1: ten major things happened, you know, like major losses, of
Speaker 1: all kinds of things and just this horrible cycle of
Speaker 1: events that really brought me to my knees and I
Speaker 1: and this this is kind of what was burned from it.
Speaker 1: And I just I had all this stuff in my
Speaker 1: head thinking like, I, you know, I could really help
Speaker 1: people get through things. And I've learned so much, you know,
Speaker 1: because I was in such pain. All all that made
Speaker 1: me feel good during during my years of getting better
Speaker 1: and and healing was just learning. And I've learned. I've
Speaker 1: learned so much stuff that I had to think about,
Speaker 1: how do I want to like organize this, and so
Speaker 1: I thought about the twelve steps and so like, as
Speaker 1: you know, here's a system of healing that like helps people.
Speaker 1: But for me, there's a lot more that I needed
Speaker 1: out of a that I did not get. And you know,
Speaker 1: there's a there's a focus on sobriety and AA, but uh,
Speaker 1: there's no focus on thriving. It's just gives people sober.
Speaker 1: And and my problem was I became stagnant and I
Speaker 1: was sober, and I was bored with my life, and
Speaker 1: you know, so you know, something happens and then I
Speaker 1: was already looking for an excuse to go back out
Speaker 1: and drink and use because I was just bored with
Speaker 1: AA because I was not thriving. I was just sober,
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of got sober. I was like,
Speaker 1: so now what you know? So there was just much
Speaker 1: more to desired for this concept. And I knew that
Speaker 1: AA kind of has this symptom discrimination of you know,
Speaker 1: not only does AA, you know, like separate between drugs,
Speaker 1: which originally the NA was an original that offshoot oft
Speaker 1: AA because all the old timers and geezers didn't want
Speaker 1: to hear the hippies talk about their drugs and they're
Speaker 1: in their alcohol meetings without realizing first of all that
Speaker 1: alcohol is absolutely a drug, and so they offshoot and
Speaker 1: all these different you know, all the different drugs have
Speaker 1: at different meetings, and everyone's separate and doing you know,
Speaker 1: like no one wants to hear, you know, cocaine talked
Speaker 1: about heroin meetings, all this prap, and and they you know,
Speaker 1: they don't have meetings for a shopping addiction or a
Speaker 1: phone addiction. They just recently started doing meetings from like gambling.
Speaker 1: But it's all the same thing. So I started realizing, like,
Speaker 1: this is all the same things. So I created the
Speaker 1: system where it's runs so because I mean, moving forward
Speaker 1: is good. Steps forward is good, but moving up is
Speaker 1: better because you get a better perspective on things, Like
Speaker 1: the bird has a better perspective on things than a worm.
Speaker 1: So I rungs to get a higher elevation of consciousness.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of where it all came from. And
Speaker 1: is it's pretty it's pretty fun and exciting the whole
Speaker 1: thing for sure.
Speaker 2: That makes sense to me because I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people get caught up in this fantastical idea of
Speaker 2: what spirituality is that it should have a particular trajectory,
Speaker 2: it should end up at a particular destination, it should
Speaker 2: look at particular way, and then in reality, it's kind
Speaker 2: of just like claiming a ladder, but maybe the ladder
Speaker 2: is a little bit more than thirteen rungs because if
Speaker 2: you're yeah, if you're coming up on something new, then
Speaker 2: you're just kind of like ah, Jesus Christ, and then
Speaker 2: you got to go up a little bit more and you're.
Speaker 5: Like, ah, I can't see it yet, you know, so yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 5: that's yeah, it's it is.
Speaker 1: It is a journey that it never ends. It's it's
Speaker 1: kind of like having you know, you can't get to
Speaker 1: the top of adverse without a sherpa. But spirituality is
Speaker 1: different than climbing address because there is no summit to climb.
Speaker 1: But I like to consider myself a spiritual shep because
Speaker 1: what a sherpa does not do is put you on
Speaker 1: his back and carry you to the to the to
Speaker 1: the peak. And you know, surp is there to just
Speaker 1: simply guide you along. It's your journey. He's just there
Speaker 1: to guide you. But you also would get lost and
Speaker 1: die on the way up to the top of average
Speaker 1: without one. So I needed spiritual sharp but I found
Speaker 1: lots of them. And now I was like, I want
Speaker 1: to be one of those two. Right.
Speaker 2: So with that point, why did you choose the number thirteen?
Speaker 1: Ah, good point too, So that is extremely important. So
Speaker 1: the number thirteen is so I came from a background
Speaker 1: of very christian I found kind of Christianity when I
Speaker 1: got sober and in my twenties, late twenties, and there
Speaker 1: was a lot of false beliefs I had to overcome
Speaker 1: that were really holding me back in my spiritual journey,
Speaker 1: really holding me back. You know, I consider Christianity to
Speaker 1: be this this amazing, beautiful mansion house that you see,
Speaker 1: but it's built on this cracked foundation of judgment and fear.
Speaker 1: So when I was living in my beautiful house of Christianity,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden my mother fell it terminally ill
Speaker 1: and it was bad, and so she ended up dying.
Speaker 1: But her dying days were absolutely traumatic for me because
Speaker 1: I had it programmed into me from my Christianity that
Speaker 1: because my mother never went to church and she wasn't
Speaker 1: a practicing Christian, that she was going to help. And
Speaker 1: this made her dying days absolutely dread. Dread. Instead of
Speaker 1: being kind of this shepherd of the next life that
Speaker 1: I would be, I'd be super excited for like you know,
Speaker 1: you're you're a glass of water getting pourn back into
Speaker 1: the ocean bomb, you know, like it would have been
Speaker 1: so different and so healing for me. Instead, I was
Speaker 1: filled with dread and fear and and just was I was.
Speaker 1: Probably she probably didn't even want me there, like my
Speaker 1: energy was so bad. So after that whole thing, I
Speaker 1: really started questioning my beliefs. And the whole point of
Speaker 1: this thirteen to get back to it is because the
Speaker 1: number thirteen is set in our culture to be unlucky,
Speaker 1: and apparently it's kind of like a Christian thing. One
Speaker 1: of the things is is that there were thirteen people
Speaker 1: at the Last Supper and was considered the thirteenth person,
Speaker 1: and so therefore thirteen is unlucky. So means absolutely nothing,
Speaker 1: and for some reason that caught on and in society,
Speaker 1: thirteen is extremely unlucky, to the point where we don't
Speaker 1: have thirteenth floors and hotels like this is ridiculous. Thirteen
Speaker 1: is actually a divine number. It is a number for
Speaker 1: the divinity, and it's it's actually said to bring good
Speaker 1: luck to those who embrace it. So I chose thirteen
Speaker 1: very purposely in that one of the main concepts of
Speaker 1: sorcery is to start questioning things that we believe that
Speaker 1: might not be true, things that we hold truth that
Speaker 1: might not be So the number thirteen kind of gets
Speaker 1: that going. So, yeah, it was very important number thirteen.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, all right, Well with that, then what's your
Speaker 2: definition of higher elevated consciousness? And if you could just
Speaker 2: well you explain that just bringing a moment from your
Speaker 2: life that was like, okay, I'm going to have to
Speaker 2: write this down.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh we can do that, yeah for sure.
Speaker 1: So I I started, so, really, this is about four
Speaker 1: years ago that I had my first experience that things
Speaker 1: are not what they seemed to be and started really
Speaker 1: like elevating myself and started let going of old false
Speaker 1: beliefs and you know, letting spirit take over me and
Speaker 1: elevate that consciousness. And it happened at the time I
Speaker 1: was introduced to this shaman and he started working with
Speaker 1: me on an individual level, and I got to introduce
Speaker 1: some meditation. I'd always heard of meditation that tried it,
Speaker 1: and it just I wasn't for that. The meditation stuff
Speaker 1: wasn't for me, you know, like I just couldn't you know.
Speaker 1: My mind was like my mind was like my web browser,
Speaker 1: you know. I you know, four tabs opened and two
Speaker 1: were frozen, and I had no idea where that music
Speaker 1: was coming from, you know, like so it's just just
Speaker 1: a mess of jumble mess in there. So I really
Speaker 1: needed meditation, but I just gave up so quickly. So
Speaker 1: he started really honing me into it, and it made
Speaker 1: me realize the importance of this giving your mind a
Speaker 1: break and how critical it is now. I mean, like
Speaker 1: I do it every single day, But when I first
Speaker 1: started doing it, it was very difficult and it didn't
Speaker 1: seem very rewarding, but after after a while, I started
Speaker 1: to get better at it. And it's just like, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of people understand the body better than the mind.
Speaker 1: So it is much like going to the gym, where
Speaker 1: when you haven't been to the gym your whole life,
Speaker 1: and maybe you've been eating garbage and weigh three hundred pounds,
Speaker 1: that first gym experience kind of sucks. But you after
Speaker 1: repeated visits and keep going, you see yourself get stronger,
Speaker 1: you see your body changing, and it gets more fun.
Speaker 1: It starts to get you high, and you started lot
Speaker 1: liking it, enjoying it. But it's only repeated visits, and
Speaker 1: especially in the beginning, the first you know, especially month
Speaker 1: really you know, because you're rewiring your brain and getting
Speaker 1: everything you know, creating good habits. And that's what meditation
Speaker 1: did for me. And I had an experience early on
Speaker 1: in meditation where drug free, absolutely no no drugs. A
Speaker 1: lot of people say this is the kind of experience
Speaker 1: I hear people say when they talk about you know,
Speaker 1: like mushrooms or keademene or something, and I had a
Speaker 1: similar experience, but this there was I was completely drug free.
Speaker 1: There was no no drugs at all. I think I
Speaker 1: had coffee that morning. That was it. And so I
Speaker 1: had this experience to where it was about three hours
Speaker 1: and it was just it was like a it was
Speaker 1: a bliss attack, like I've always had panic attacks, and
Speaker 1: like you can feel kind of an conset of a
Speaker 1: panic attack, and and like the breathing heavy, and this
Speaker 1: was like a bliss attack. And it was truly transformative.
Speaker 1: And I just laid there on my bed, eyes open,
Speaker 1: like just having this bliss attack in my mind. At
Speaker 1: the same time realizing that I had been in airplane
Speaker 1: mode my whole life. Like you know, airplane mode you
Speaker 1: turn on your phone when you go on the plane
Speaker 1: and it blocks all the messages, you know, like all
Speaker 1: the calls and messages, and like you know, when you
Speaker 1: get to your landing spoke, you turn off all the
Speaker 1: messages come in. I felt like I had been on
Speaker 1: airplane mode my whole life. So all these things that
Speaker 1: all of a sudden I knew were true because they
Speaker 1: were coming from my higher self, the outside outside of
Speaker 1: the illusion. All these things started realizations started coming to
Speaker 1: me and started uplifting me. And as I was feeling amazing,
Speaker 1: and that's how I knew they were true because I
Speaker 1: was just I was just getting this these ways is
Speaker 1: of ecstasy that would just were incredible, and all these
Speaker 1: thoughts that were like everything I thought in my life
Speaker 1: was you know, with all these things I thought were true,
Speaker 1: we're not true. And and there is a force in
Speaker 1: the universe that is all around us at all times.
Speaker 1: And and they say God is around us. But it's
Speaker 1: it's it's different than that. It's I mean, science has
Speaker 1: a name for it. Even it's dark matter, although I
Speaker 1: don't like to think it sounds nefarious. I'm not a
Speaker 1: big fan of that term dark matter. I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm the dark matter. It's light matter. But it's it's
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's like fish when you when you
Speaker 1: go to fish and you ask them about the water
Speaker 1: these swim in, They're gonna say what water, And it's
Speaker 1: it's it's like that. And this experience was like it
Speaker 1: was like a fish that's been living in a pond
Speaker 1: its whole life, and all of a sudden it gets
Speaker 1: caught by an angler and pulls out into this whole
Speaker 1: new like majestic, stick insane reality. It didn't have any
Speaker 1: idea existed, you know, like what is this? So that
Speaker 1: is that's what it felt like, and that's what started
Speaker 1: really my new healing journey, and and and just kept
Speaker 1: going at like this is okay, I need I need
Speaker 1: to chase this and more people need to know about
Speaker 1: this because this is something that should be taught in schools.
Speaker 1: There should be everyone needs to know about this. There
Speaker 1: is a force that can be used for It's a
Speaker 1: sea of information, the Kashik Field. It's everything that ever was,
Speaker 1: it ever will be, and all this information is in
Speaker 1: there and I tapped into it. I didn't write that
Speaker 1: book with my brain. I tapped the brain is the
Speaker 1: receiver and I tapped into something that is all around
Speaker 1: us to write something that is well beyond what you
Speaker 1: know a C plus college student could have ever wrote.
Speaker 1: Like I mean, if you read this like it's I
Speaker 1: read it, and I just I'm in shock. This came
Speaker 1: out of me because I I was tapping into something
Speaker 1: that wasn't me. So so yeah, it was not written
Speaker 1: with the use of my brain. I was tapping into
Speaker 1: something that force. The force the Star Wars Force. Star
Speaker 1: Wars really explains it so perfectly. Obi Wan Kenobi says,
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a it's an energy field created
Speaker 1: by all living creatures and it and it binds the
Speaker 1: universe together and energizes us, and that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 1: So I yeah, I found the force and that that
Speaker 1: is what truly started me on my higher elevation of
Speaker 1: consciousness journey.
Speaker 2: Okay, so what do you think set pretty much sets
Speaker 2: your book apart from other works that would be in
Speaker 2: the same genre.
Speaker 1: Well, it definitely humor big time. It also has a
Speaker 1: you know, like with the humor it it has, I mean,
Speaker 1: it has a lot of my It's kind of I'd
Speaker 1: say it's the Secret meets the Four Agreements meets a
Speaker 1: million Little Pieces if it were in by Jerry Seinfeld.
Speaker 1: So it's it's got aspects of all kinds of things.
Speaker 1: It's got aspects of my life that I have a
Speaker 1: lot of really humorous stories in there from my times,
Speaker 1: and I make them funny, but I make them relevant
Speaker 1: to whatever I'm talking about. And I also use a
Speaker 1: ton of pop culture. So I grew up part of
Speaker 1: my childhood was rather neglectful, so emotionally wise, it just
Speaker 1: was a very whole atmosphere and emotional vacuum that I
Speaker 1: grew up in and I gravitated and globbed on towards
Speaker 1: pop culture because that's what made me feel good. So I,
Speaker 1: you know, all these movies from childhood, I'd watched eighties,
Speaker 1: nineties and two thousands, and I'd watched them over and
Speaker 1: over again. And you know, the music of that time
Speaker 1: period and the movies and the shows and the video games,
Speaker 1: and they're all extremely important to me. I'm a huge geek,
Speaker 1: nerd whatever. So there's aspects of pop culture that I
Speaker 1: bring into this that was already programmed into me that
Speaker 1: is like, oh my gosh, I can mesh these two things.
Speaker 1: And I mean I truly now believe and I and
Speaker 1: I and I see the things that I grew up
Speaker 1: on in a different light, like Star Wars, like Holy
Speaker 1: they have they have it right the whole time. So
Speaker 1: I see these things that I grew up on, I'm
Speaker 1: able to like work them into the spiritual spirituality aspect.
Speaker 1: So I just believe that that some of many of
Speaker 1: life riddles are are hidden in the you know, the
Speaker 1: answers to many vice ridles are hidden in the kind
Speaker 1: of the nukes and crannies of pop culture. So I
Speaker 1: use so many pop culture things to illustrate points. So
Speaker 1: I use humor and then pop culture, and I just
Speaker 1: make it a lot of fun. So you know, like
Speaker 1: there's there's some there's some deep stuff to it, for sure,
Speaker 1: but there's also a lot of humor and fun and
Speaker 1: anecdotes and it's very different. I can I've never read
Speaker 1: anything that approaches it, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of get that from it. And you
Speaker 2: know what, it's really good because that's kind of where
Speaker 2: you have to meet a lot of people. Oh there's
Speaker 2: so many people out there that wouldn't know what to
Speaker 2: do without all of this other external crap that we
Speaker 2: have that's shoved down our throats from the time we're little,
Speaker 2: you know, So he kind of have to get them
Speaker 2: where they can get involved a little bit of familiarity
Speaker 2: on it. And it's great that you're wearing a Rage
Speaker 2: against the Machine t shirt. You're he already got my
Speaker 2: attention instantly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that's my Desert Island Shuffle is Rage
Speaker 1: against the Mate, Rage's Machine and Wu Tang Clan. But
Speaker 1: you know, Raging's Machine is just so great. I mean,
Speaker 1: even the band's name makes a statement. That's what I
Speaker 1: love so much about it. Like, I mean, all their
Speaker 1: stuff is fantastic too, but just just the band's name
Speaker 1: is making a statement.
Speaker 5: It's exactly because I remember playing like Tony Hawk and
Speaker 5: you hear like rage against the Machinery, Like what the
Speaker 5: heck is that?
Speaker 2: And you're like, ah, what is the machine man?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Then you find out what the machine is. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, okay, yeah, they're making a statement with
Speaker 1: the name of their band.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So what is the first rung that we should
Speaker 2: focus on?
Speaker 1: So yeah, the first rung is called shadow work, and
Speaker 1: it is it is an important one because we all
Speaker 1: have a shadow. So when a soul is broken, it
Speaker 1: creates a shadow. Everyone has varying degrees though, so there
Speaker 1: are times in my life when my shadow has been
Speaker 1: running my life and other times when it's just a
Speaker 1: good friend, Like right now, it's so I told you
Speaker 1: about the pop culture. So one of the things I
Speaker 1: recommend in the book, because we are not the shadow.
Speaker 1: The shadow is the reactionary side to us that you
Speaker 1: know a lot of us want to work on and
Speaker 1: may not be two big fans of you know, the
Speaker 1: people with anger issues or druggeted. You know, it's that
Speaker 1: reactionary side to feeling uncomfortable in what we do. So
Speaker 1: it we are the awareness of the shadow, not the
Speaker 1: shadow itself. So I recommend to people to name their
Speaker 1: shadow to keep some distance from it. That because it
Speaker 1: is not you. You are the awareness of the set shadow,
Speaker 1: not the shadow itself. So I named mine Floyd because
Speaker 1: in quin Tarantina's classic Not Pulpits or loads it true romance,
Speaker 1: True romance, Brad Pitt has a small cameo role in it,
Speaker 1: and he plays this He plays this roommate to one
Speaker 1: of the more central characters, and he's he's just this
Speaker 1: kind of loser, stoner. He's always on the couch. He
Speaker 1: doesn't pay rent, he doesn't do chores, he just just
Speaker 1: lies in the couch and does nothing. But the guy
Speaker 1: that owns the house doesn't kick him out of the
Speaker 1: house because he just he loves him like a brother.
Speaker 1: He obviously loves him, and he lets him stay even
Speaker 1: though he can beats absolutely nothing to his life. So
Speaker 1: I have named my shadow Floyd because he is that
Speaker 1: kind of stoner, loser that isn't you know, He's not
Speaker 1: going to cause any harm to me as long as
Speaker 1: he's just he's on the couch, and I can love
Speaker 1: him like a brother, but kind of keep my distance.
Speaker 1: So the shadow is something that's really important to understand
Speaker 1: and embrace. And you know, one of the things the
Speaker 1: I think the healthiest person or I've ever seen with
Speaker 1: their shadow is Eminem. Eminem handles his shadow beautifully. So
Speaker 1: he names his shadow slim Shady. He is aware that
Speaker 1: the shadow, slim Shady, is not Marshall, and he says
Speaker 1: it over and over again. He embraces his shadow in
Speaker 1: that he's aware of this reaction. And he had a horrible,
Speaker 1: a dreadful childhood, all kinds of horrible trauma that created
Speaker 1: his shadow. His he's very open with his drug addiction
Speaker 1: and his anger issues and and and and so he
Speaker 1: is aware that this, all these bad things that happened
Speaker 1: to in his childhood, has created this side of him
Speaker 1: that is not desirable and can destroy him if the
Speaker 1: shadow is in charge. And he talks about in as
Speaker 1: many of his songs, you know, when the shadow was
Speaker 1: in charge, he doesn't call it the shadow, he calls
Speaker 1: it slim, but he when the shadow has been in charge,
Speaker 1: and he's he's just he was just horribly drug addicted
Speaker 1: and just fallen off and and so now he treats
Speaker 1: a shadow differently. He speaks, he lets this, He lets
Speaker 1: the shadow speak and then leaves it be. So I
Speaker 1: think he's he's he's the he's the kind of peak
Speaker 1: attainable for people to try to understand the shadow, like,
Speaker 1: you know, find your some shady you know, name it
Speaker 1: and deal with it in appropriate manner like like it can
Speaker 1: be in different ways certainly, but you know, to to
Speaker 1: kind of feel the reaction is different than to like
Speaker 1: let it go. You know, we're always going to react
Speaker 1: to certain things. You know, like I can be as
Speaker 1: i'd like to be, you know, like the peaceful monk,
Speaker 1: but when someone cuts me off in traffic, I you know,
Speaker 1: there's a reaction that comes to it. But I'm at
Speaker 1: a point spiritually now where like that reaction just dwindles
Speaker 1: so quickly, whereas before, I mean, there's a point in
Speaker 1: my life in my twenties where I there could have
Speaker 1: been a road rage accident. I could have followed that
Speaker 1: person home, like I was really screwed up. So, you know,
Speaker 1: we're always going to react to certain situations. But how
Speaker 1: long are we going to stay in that reaction? And
Speaker 1: that's when we kind of have some separation of the
Speaker 1: shadow and just you know, love it, you know, love
Speaker 1: the shadow and just be like, I know you're pissed
Speaker 1: off right now trying to talk to it, but this
Speaker 1: isn't that big a deal to move on with our life,
Speaker 1: you know. There's just there's a healthy way for us
Speaker 1: to not be so reaction there. Yeah, and that's what
Speaker 1: shadow Work is about.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about distractions. How did you first become
Speaker 2: aware that there were so many distracts and distractions out
Speaker 2: there that we're keeping you spiritually bankrupt to use that term.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's really easy to find, you know. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's I talk about in the book, a big difference
Speaker 1: between happiness and joy, huge difference happiness I called kind
Speaker 1: of what I was is a happiness chaser. So I'd
Speaker 1: go from different things that made me happy and just
Speaker 1: tried to constantly make myself happy. And in between those things,
Speaker 1: I was never happy. So I you know, if I
Speaker 1: wasn't using drugs or you know, you know, there was
Speaker 1: all kinds of you know, SAgs can be. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a million things that make us happy, and those
Speaker 1: things aren't necessarily bad. It's the attachment to them that
Speaker 1: brings the suffering. The attachment to these things just turns
Speaker 1: pain into suffering. And it is the running away from
Speaker 1: pain that makes it persist. Whatever you whatever you resist,
Speaker 1: will persist, and you have to heal it, or you
Speaker 1: have to feel it to heal it. So distractions are
Speaker 1: very easy to find. And I'm very happy to say,
Speaker 1: like I I went completely you know, when I was
Speaker 1: writing the year this last year that I was really
Speaker 1: writing and putting the book together, I just made a
Speaker 1: goal that I was going to do healthy things and
Speaker 1: I was going to have no distractions. So I didn't
Speaker 1: go on dates. There was no drugs, no alcohol, no
Speaker 1: you know, I'm you know I've been and I'm going
Speaker 1: to continue the drugs and alcohol certainly that my life
Speaker 1: is so much better without that stuff, let me tell you.
Speaker 1: But just really focus on my own healing and writing
Speaker 1: this book at the same time. So it's a very metabook.
Speaker 1: It's it's like creating the system and healing at the
Speaker 1: same time. I wrote the book for me, but after
Speaker 1: it was done, I was like, holy grab, this can
Speaker 1: really help a lot of people. So, you know, I
Speaker 1: I I really secluded myself from a lot of distractions
Speaker 1: and and and stop my happiness chasing. Joy. Joy is
Speaker 1: something that you find when you're not doing any of
Speaker 1: the things, like it's still gonna make me happy to
Speaker 1: do the I mean, you know, food is a big
Speaker 1: one that makes me happy. There's there's all kinds of
Speaker 1: things that may and there's nothing wrong with that. But
Speaker 1: joy is what you have in between those happiness things.
Speaker 1: You know, exercise makes me happy, and you know, like
Speaker 1: there's all kinds of that are not bad. But I
Speaker 1: have now found joy, which is having joy in between
Speaker 1: these things that that are kind of worldly things and
Speaker 1: distractions can can be used as distractions, but you know,
Speaker 1: once you find joy, then then they then they actually
Speaker 1: make you happy. But joy is only found when you're
Speaker 1: when you're in between your happiness chasing, and if there's
Speaker 1: no joy in between you know, doing things that you
Speaker 1: enjoy doing, search that.
Speaker 2: Right, all right, So I got a question for you.
Speaker 2: It's an important one. When you personally look around society,
Speaker 2: whether it's the community that you live in, or you know,
Speaker 2: you see stuff on the internet, or you read books
Speaker 2: or whatever, your day to day experiences end up being
Speaker 2: what do you think is the biggest obstacle to overcoming
Speaker 2: the mass spiritual bankruptcy and all of the toxic shit.
Speaker 2: That's the best word for it. It's just shit. It's
Speaker 2: just freaking nasty shit that's going on in the world.
Speaker 2: What do you think is the biggest obstacle that people face, Well.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be different for everybody, you know, Like for me,
Speaker 1: it was probably drugs and alcohol. For someone else, that
Speaker 1: could be gambling. For someone else, it could be you know, sex,
Speaker 1: you know, for you know there, everyone's got their big
Speaker 1: thing and everyone knows what their thing is, but there's
Speaker 1: other things out there, so you know, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: very easy to be like, Okay, I'm not gonna do
Speaker 1: this thing, but I'm gonna do this other thing. And
Speaker 1: so you know, the key is to turn inward instead
Speaker 1: of constantly turning outward. Because if you're constantly turning outward
Speaker 1: and there is no joy and you're only just chasing happiness,
Speaker 1: something is wrong in there. There is something in this
Speaker 1: and it would be into anyone's best interests to look
Speaker 1: into them, because the pain doesn't go anywhere. It's it's
Speaker 1: just it's an illusion. Running from pain. You cannot outrun it.
Speaker 1: That you can't out run it. It has to be
Speaker 1: dealt with. I mean, you can attempt to outrun it.
Speaker 1: You can, you know, outrun it until you die, but
Speaker 1: then you die miserable. You know, you could be a
Speaker 1: drug addict until you die, and I guess you can
Speaker 1: try that not a great life, but it does not
Speaker 1: it remains, it does not go anywhere. So everyone's obstacle
Speaker 1: is going to be different. And it's a matter of
Speaker 1: rewiring your brain to get into healthy habits and stop
Speaker 1: running from the pain and you know, just constantly chasing
Speaker 1: that happiness. It's it's very easy to find. But once
Speaker 1: you take the time to heal and really embrace healing
Speaker 1: and turn to healing and thriving and healthy things, things
Speaker 1: change insanely quick. And it's a matter of doing those
Speaker 1: health of things and getting getting in touch with your
Speaker 1: higher self, your intuition, and slowly going through that healing
Speaker 1: process really really changes things for the best for sure.
Speaker 2: Right, So can you think of any influences that just
Speaker 2: weren't good for you? For for example, like myself, I
Speaker 2: got into the sex drugs in rock and roll culture
Speaker 2: because I was a musician. But I think a largely
Speaker 2: my perception of that was initially shaped by people like
Speaker 2: you know, Chris Cornell or Lane Staley and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: because that was what I was really into when I
Speaker 2: was a young kid, you know, long lived nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 2: I always say so, like, I mean, I know that
Speaker 2: stuff really deeply ingrained the idea that okay, I should
Speaker 2: just avoid my stuff and go do drugs. And I
Speaker 2: took that with me throughout my teenage years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean there's there's influences, certainly, but it's
Speaker 1: not necessarily everyone's influenced by spiritual bankruptcy when it comes
Speaker 1: down to it, Like it's people can hear. So those
Speaker 1: of us who have spiritual bankruptcies can be very easily
Speaker 1: influenced by these these musicians and things. And you know,
Speaker 1: I was Eminem was big for me certainly growing up,
Speaker 1: and you know his his you know, the whole thing
Speaker 1: at the time coming out and your drugs and and
Speaker 1: that was that was big in the in the nineties, right,
Speaker 1: Like that was that was kind of what it was.
Speaker 1: But you know, other kids that I saw that you know,
Speaker 1: didn't have the kind of spiritual bankruptcy I did, that
Speaker 1: had no effect or influence on them whatsoever. So really
Speaker 1: it comes down to the spiritual state of who it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's you know, it's just impossible to blame
Speaker 1: on you know, I can't blame anyone else. It's just,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's you, the spiritually bankrupt, connecting with
Speaker 1: another spiritually bankrupt person that has more success than you do.
Speaker 1: It's it's just it has nothing to do with them,
Speaker 1: but it's it. It's it's everything to do with with
Speaker 1: us where we're at in our spiritual walk and journey
Speaker 1: because because we because now there there's no way anyone
Speaker 1: could possibly influence me. There's just no way, Like there's
Speaker 1: just no way. And obviously when you're younger and there's
Speaker 1: a little bit more influence too, but it's the spiritual bankruptcy.
Speaker 1: When you're younger, that's when you're really highly influenceable. But
Speaker 1: now I'm at the point, like I can you know,
Speaker 1: like I just that's no one's gonna no one's gonna
Speaker 1: take me off my course, Like it's just not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: So when people read your book, what would you say
Speaker 2: is the biggest takeaway that you want them to have.
Speaker 1: I would say hope. I like to think, uh from
Speaker 1: hope from dope dealer to hope dealer, right, Like, well,
Speaker 1: I wasn't a very good dope dealer. I always used
Speaker 1: my drugs and like never get high in your own
Speaker 1: supply from Starface. That was like that was like the
Speaker 1: phrase have your cake and eat it too, Like what
Speaker 1: the fuck else are you supposed to do with cake?
Speaker 1: Like I was a terrible drug dealer. I was a
Speaker 1: terrible drug dealer, but I'm now a hope dealer. And
Speaker 1: that is the main takeaway I want people to have,
Speaker 1: is that you can go from you know, I've spent
Speaker 1: you know, I've been many rehabs, park and I you know,
Speaker 1: nights and park benches, jail, just horrible experiences and it
Speaker 1: is possible to overcome that many deaths just in recent years,
Speaker 1: just whole series of really nasty things happening to me.
Speaker 1: So and that, and that's in childhood and adultsoo, and
Speaker 1: that's kind of covered in there a little bit. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't go too deeply on it, because you know,
Speaker 1: comparing war stories doesn't do a whole lot. You know,
Speaker 1: you know, your pain, maybe you may have gone through
Speaker 1: more than I have, or maybe maybe not as much.
Speaker 1: You know, then you kind of you kind of get
Speaker 1: into that whole thing. So pain is paid and the
Speaker 1: reason we feel pain is because we are very spiritual
Speaker 1: being stuck in a very physical world. So I would
Speaker 1: like people to get hope out of it. And even
Speaker 1: when the you know, if you can, maybe the world
Speaker 1: is against you. You would feel the world is against you,
Speaker 1: and maybe it is, but the universe is for you
Speaker 1: and that's really all that matters.
Speaker 2: That's fair. Okay, Well, you kind of covered everything I
Speaker 2: wanted to ask you, so.
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: And ask you another question.
Speaker 1: It just came to me.
Speaker 5: If there's if there's anything that you wish you could
Speaker 5: share with your younger self little justin what would that be?
Speaker 1: Oh? Man, that's a good one. So I talk to
Speaker 1: my my inner child all the time.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: The kind of key for happiness, I think for a
Speaker 1: lot of people is to keep that inner child happy.
Speaker 1: And when I'm feeling squirrely and weird things like, I
Speaker 1: can talk to my you know, child, and you know
Speaker 1: that's it's it's a big part of my my own healing.
Speaker 1: Simple to get a picture and talk to it, and
Speaker 1: it like lets me know what's going on and what
Speaker 1: I'm feeling. And it's just an excellent way to process feelings.
Speaker 1: But for little Justin it would be the number one
Speaker 1: thing is to start getting in touch with the intuition
Speaker 1: and your higher self, which is the self that is
Speaker 1: outside of the illusion, the simulation. I make the best
Speaker 1: argument for simulation theory in that book I've ever heard.
Speaker 1: And so that is the outside, that is you playing
Speaker 1: you on the other on the other side. And once
Speaker 1: you get in touch with that and have that connection,
Speaker 1: you are now a player character and not a non
Speaker 1: player character, and you have control of your life. The
Speaker 1: world is filled with NPCs, they're everywhere, and those are
Speaker 1: people just running programs. We're just we're just robots running programs.
Speaker 1: And once you get in touch with your higher self,
Speaker 1: now you are in charge of your entire life. And
Speaker 1: that would be the number one thing. And there's there's
Speaker 1: a big there's a whole rung in there about instinct
Speaker 1: versus intuition, and they are a big there's a big difference.
Speaker 1: Most people use those interchangeably, instinct and intuition, but they're very,
Speaker 1: very different. Instinct is a fear based guiding system and
Speaker 1: intuition is your heart. So it's essentially instinct lives in
Speaker 1: the gut and intuition lives in the heart and they're
Speaker 1: very different. You need your instinct in times of distress,
Speaker 1: and it's it's good that it's there. But when your
Speaker 1: instinct gets turned up to high, then you're constantly fearful
Speaker 1: of everything and it interrupts with your life. So to
Speaker 1: heal from that and run things through your hearts, I
Speaker 1: go through there in How to Train your Intuition in
Speaker 1: the book, and it's a series of asking yourself questions
Speaker 1: and put in your heart. You know, you have to
Speaker 1: clear your mind through breathing techniques and start asking a questions.
Speaker 1: You have to get a feel for the questions though.
Speaker 1: First ask a question that you know the answers yes to,
Speaker 1: and you'll get a feeling. Maybe you'll get a word.
Speaker 1: You might you might hear something audible, you might get
Speaker 1: the word in your mind. It's different for color. It
Speaker 1: could be color, it's different for everybody. But you have
Speaker 1: to get a sense of what yes is. And then
Speaker 1: you ask a question that you know the answer to
Speaker 1: no is, so you get the feeling what no sounds
Speaker 1: like from your intuition. So you start asking this and
Speaker 1: you start getting you start asking it questions every day,
Speaker 1: like and you start training over thirty days and started
Speaker 1: with simple things and you know, should I, you know,
Speaker 1: go to this event, should I call this person and
Speaker 1: start getting it getting in touch with that signal. And
Speaker 1: once you start getting in touch with that signal, it
Speaker 1: starts guiding you to your destiny essentially. So and that's
Speaker 1: what it has done for me, and it actually it
Speaker 1: saved This is a great one. It saved my life.
Speaker 1: Probably about two months ago. I was finishing out of
Speaker 1: the book and I just live in apartment alone with
Speaker 1: my dog. And I was eating steak one one evening
Speaker 1: and I had swallowed a bite and I swallowed it
Speaker 1: down and it kind of got stuck. Nothing crazy like
Speaker 1: you know instinct, I would have just swallowed again and
Speaker 1: tried to you know, like go open and get it down.
Speaker 1: And and before I could do that, like louder than
Speaker 1: ether in inner voice, not an audible but an inner
Speaker 1: voice just went stop. And I was like and I
Speaker 1: stopped in my tracks. I was like, what, like is
Speaker 1: going on? And it talked me through and it said,
Speaker 1: you know, another swallow and you're gonna die right here
Speaker 1: in your apartments. And so I'm sitting there like what
Speaker 1: and so I I and then I talked back to it,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, so what do I do? And it
Speaker 1: walks me through, you know, like it was lodged, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't. It wasn't to the point where I couldn't
Speaker 1: get air. So it said, you know, just just breathing
Speaker 1: slowly because you don't want to get relodged, and breathing
Speaker 1: slowly air around it and then just shoot it out.
Speaker 1: And that's what I did. It just shot out. And
Speaker 1: it's stuff like that, Like you know, your intuition will
Speaker 1: lead you, will always always lead you away from danger,
Speaker 1: whether it be of the emotional kind or of the
Speaker 1: physical kind. It may it may not be correct every time.
Speaker 1: With little things, you play with it because you can
Speaker 1: ask future events and like I play with it sometimes
Speaker 1: and you can ask these events with it and a
Speaker 1: lot and it is right more than it is wrong,
Speaker 1: but sometimes wrong. But when it is, what is, and
Speaker 1: our emotions tend to get in the way with that.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we kind of want something to be that way
Speaker 1: and we want to hear like we want even though
Speaker 1: so like we'll be asking question and we want the
Speaker 1: certain answer, and so like that can kind of mess
Speaker 1: with it. So you have to be really clear minded
Speaker 1: when you're speaking to your intuition, but it will speak
Speaker 1: very loudly and undeniable. When you are in physical or
Speaker 1: emotional danger or someone of a loved one too, it'll
Speaker 1: speak loudly that too. But that is the number one
Speaker 1: thing I would say to anyone, anyone at a little
Speaker 1: Judson or any other little people out there, it would
Speaker 1: be to develop your intuition because it will guide you
Speaker 1: to the life of your dream.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I know you said you don't have like
Speaker 2: social media and stuff like that, So where can we
Speaker 2: find you or your book?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I might get on So I don't know
Speaker 1: if there's a clamoring I might get but I've I've
Speaker 1: been social media free for about four years now and
Speaker 1: that's been a big part of the book. Like, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of like a horse putting on blinders. I think
Speaker 1: I ran a better race, but you know, I might
Speaker 1: get back on it, but at this point I'm not.
Speaker 1: And so there's two ways to get a hold of me.
Speaker 1: So the book is on Amazon. You can search my
Speaker 1: name justin l. Shaw, or you can search the word
Speaker 1: sorcery with a you and it'll so sorcery one on
Speaker 1: one thirteen runs and it was like this year, that's
Speaker 1: what it looks like. So you can search the word sorcery.
Speaker 1: Don't put in sorcery one on one for some reason,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to work with them. If you put in
Speaker 1: sorcery one to one, an auto exit to the actual
Speaker 1: sorcery and then it will leads you to a series
Speaker 1: of books which are apparently about becoming a better wizard,
Speaker 1: which might be interesting, but it's not my book. So
Speaker 1: so the search for my name or just the word
Speaker 1: sorcery and this this book should pop up at some point.
Speaker 1: So that's on Amazon, and then you can get a
Speaker 1: hold of me. I have five hundred free e books
Speaker 1: if you can't afford a book. I just want to
Speaker 1: get the information out there. Like I said, this is
Speaker 1: just kind of the foundation launch pad for where I
Speaker 1: want to go. So I'm not big on you know,
Speaker 1: I don't really care about sales as much as I
Speaker 1: want to get it out there. So I have five
Speaker 1: hundred free books ebooks that I can send you a
Speaker 1: code so you can get and you can get that
Speaker 1: on my email which is Sorcerer thirteen with the U
Speaker 1: SO s O U C E R E r one
Speaker 1: to three at Gmail or telegram, Sorcerer thirteen as well
Speaker 1: sous sou cr R thirteen on Telegram and Gmail.
Speaker 2: Awesome, well justin thanks for being on the bone Liss
Speaker 2: Authentic City podcast.
Speaker 1: Thank you, ah Ho.
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