Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: What's going to happen?
Speaker 3: What a.
Speaker 4: Welcome to the Occult Rejects. This episode we kind of
Speaker 4: have a returning guest. He was on Fridays with me
Speaker 4: and JJ and we had a great time and I
Speaker 4: wanted to get him back on the show again. But
Speaker 4: before we get to Doc Brown Prometheus Lend's podcast, why
Speaker 4: introduce the other rejects joining me today? We got Jin
Speaker 4: the motherfucking Ninja. What's up? Jin? How are you hey?
Speaker 2: Boss? What's up?
Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me on. And thank
Speaker 5: you to Doc Brown justin well you know, uh as
Speaker 5: a guest. And thank you JJ, my Pollo reject. So
Speaker 5: I'm looking forward to it. This wouldn't happen so it
Speaker 5: wasn't for you guys, so appreciate it of course.
Speaker 4: No, and thank you for joining us man and JJ
Speaker 4: Vance not the Vice President. What is going on? Buddy?
Speaker 1: Nick?
Speaker 6: Greeting sir, always great to join you here for another
Speaker 6: Occult Rejects show here and.
Speaker 1: Jen, same to you as well, sir.
Speaker 6: Always appreciate your insight into these matters we discuss here
Speaker 6: on the Occult Rejects. JJ Vance not the Vice President
Speaker 6: Host of Operations GCD resident true crime expert ever here at.
Speaker 1: The Occult Rejects Justin.
Speaker 6: I definitely enjoyed meeting you last time on the Friday,
Speaker 6: so looking forward to hear more about your book today
Speaker 6: and getting into these discussions.
Speaker 1: So great to say you, Bud.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, thank you very much for joining us again,
Speaker 4: JJ and last but night at least the man of
Speaker 4: the hour, hour and a half or how long long
Speaker 4: this stays. Doc Brown from Prometheus Lens, Sir, please let
Speaker 4: everybody know what your deal is and where they can
Speaker 4: find all your amazing work.
Speaker 3: Hey, guys, thank you for having me back yet. First
Speaker 3: discussion we had. It was awesome. I loved hanging out
Speaker 3: with you guys. And as we was talking a little
Speaker 3: bit pre roll, we met through a mutual friend, Heidi,
Speaker 3: So shout out to Heidi Love. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: That's the sister from the mother that I never met,
Speaker 3: but I'm thankful that she gave birth to us. We've
Speaker 3: done a lot of collaborations together and we've introduced each
Speaker 3: other to a lot of friends and stuff, so it's
Speaker 3: been a beautiful friendship. I'm definitely thankful for her. But yeah,
Speaker 3: my name is Doc Brown. From the Prometheus Lens podcast
Speaker 3: all things conspiracy, fringe, ancient history, last civilizations, all those
Speaker 3: cool fringy topics, Nephilim, giants, fallen angels, all those type things.
Speaker 3: But I try to filter them through a biblical lens.
Speaker 3: I just released a book called The Yeah Prometheus Wins.
Speaker 3: I had a mystic mark from my family thinks I'm crazy.
Speaker 3: I was on his show one time. He was like,
Speaker 3: you know, you filtered through a biblical lens, but you
Speaker 3: got a name like re Meetheus Lins. Why not like
Speaker 3: Zekiel's Lins. I'm like, I've always been guilty of being
Speaker 3: a little esoteric.
Speaker 4: I gotta keep it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I just released my first book called The
Speaker 3: Epic of e Saw, the Birthright and Seed War. But
Speaker 3: anywhere you can consume content, you can find my stuff.
Speaker 3: Apple podcasts, U Spotify, YouTube, any any of those fine
Speaker 3: establishments you can find me.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, thank you very much, And of course your
Speaker 4: links will be in the bottom of the show notes. So, yeah,
Speaker 4: the book, that's what we wanted to get you on
Speaker 4: for today. I guess, however, I understand you want to
Speaker 4: sell the book, so you can't, you know, tell us
Speaker 4: the whole thing. But I guess, uh, as much as
Speaker 4: you'd like to get into, I guess it's all wherever
Speaker 4: you like. First off, actually, I would like to start
Speaker 4: off with what made you even write it, sir?
Speaker 3: Yeah, honestly, we kind of talked about it jokingly last time.
Speaker 3: I was just a Helien for lack of a better term.
Speaker 3: For ninety percent of my life, I was the embodiment
Speaker 3: of the prodigal son. Any of the people that I
Speaker 3: grew up with. If you uh lost if I lost
Speaker 3: contact with them, and you told them now that, yeah,
Speaker 3: Justin is doing a podcast and he's reading all kinds
Speaker 3: of books and given discussions and lectures at conferences and
Speaker 3: writing books and stuff, and like, now you talking about
Speaker 3: the same dude that that Justin's in prison are probably dead.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So yeah, writ in a book was definitely not something
Speaker 3: that I ever thought that I would do, But just
Speaker 3: it started as a caddy joke.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: It was just I had Tray Smith from God a
Speaker 3: Nutshell on one of my shows, and he was honestly
Speaker 3: one of those guys that you know, quote unquote red
Speaker 3: peeled me, and so it was really cool having him
Speaker 3: on the show and just actually talking with him, and
Speaker 3: he made a comment. He was like, yeah, you guys
Speaker 3: are from East Tennessee, that that's a bigfoot country. Next
Speaker 3: time that I'm out that way, maybe i'll I'll give
Speaker 3: you guys a shout and we'll go bigfoot hunting and
Speaker 3: we'll film it this little documentary. And just out of nowhere,
Speaker 3: Genesis twenty five twenty five popped into my head. And
Speaker 3: that's a story that I'd read many, many times, and
Speaker 3: I don't know, it just hit me differently that day
Speaker 3: and I said, well, Tray, I said, what about Esau
Speaker 3: Genesis twenty five twenty five? Do you think Esau was
Speaker 3: maybe one of the first bigfoot documented? And he kind
Speaker 3: of chuckled, you know, for those that's not familiar, Genesis
Speaker 3: twenty five twenty five says, the first one came out red,
Speaker 3: covered in hair from head to toe, like a Harry Cloak,
Speaker 3: and he kind of chuckled. He's like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: you might be onto something there. Justin he was definitely
Speaker 3: a Harry do that's for sure. And he just kind
Speaker 3: of chuckled and we laughed it off, and that's kind
Speaker 3: of all it was, honestly. But it's just, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: the ancient Greeks called us the muse. Christians call it
Speaker 3: the Holy Spirit. Uh uh. Some people just cause it
Speaker 3: the universe, you know, I mean, whatever you want to
Speaker 3: call it. But all these string of events kept happening
Speaker 3: and leading me down this path, uh, on this trail
Speaker 3: of Esau. It was like a week later I had
Speaker 3: Gary Wayne on the show and we were going through
Speaker 3: the epic of Gilgamesh and I knew the overall story,
Speaker 3: but I hadn't actually read the thing in full. So
Speaker 3: I was reading it and I bump into inky Do,
Speaker 3: and here's this Harry guy covering Harerim head to toe.
Speaker 3: Sounds a lot like Esau. So here's this other Sashquatch
Speaker 3: sounding guy, and I'm like, dude, here's another one of
Speaker 3: these Harry dudes.
Speaker 4: Was inky Do, the guy who would like had to
Speaker 4: rollbout with them or something like that.
Speaker 3: Now, inky Do was Gilgamesh's equal in the story. He
Speaker 3: was this wild man of the field that was created
Speaker 3: as his equal. And they end up battling, but they
Speaker 3: become best friends and they go on this you know,
Speaker 3: epic journey together and then they take out this monster
Speaker 3: of the field called hum Bahbah. And yeah, but it's
Speaker 3: basically kind of like some people summarize it as a
Speaker 3: man versus nature, you know, the yin and yang kind
Speaker 3: of thing. But uh, and then it's maybe a week later, honestly,
Speaker 3: maybe two, doing another show, and I mean, this guy
Speaker 3: is talking about the Book of Jashure, and in there
Speaker 3: we discover Nimrod and that Nimrod he was the Mighty Hunter,
Speaker 3: and he builds up jealousy and envy against Esau, who
Speaker 3: his claim to fame, was also the Mighty Hunter. And
Speaker 3: it sounds like a mirrored image of the epic of Gilgamesh,
Speaker 3: and that he goes out and hunts this hairy beast
Speaker 3: of a man and they do battle. And so I
Speaker 3: just kept bumping into these hairy men, into this guy
Speaker 3: Esaw over and over. So I was like, man, I
Speaker 3: have to go digging a little bit, and so I did.
Speaker 3: I just started digging and going through all these extra
Speaker 3: biblical books and ancient legends and lores. I discovered Lewis
Speaker 3: Ginsburg Legends of the Jews, and honestly, I found just
Speaker 3: this guy's story that has just been busted up and
Speaker 3: broken into pieces, scattered throughout all these ancient texts and scrolls,
Speaker 3: and I pieced together a narrative, honestly, guys, that weaves
Speaker 3: in and out perfectly and seamlessly and compliments the biblical
Speaker 3: narrative perfectly, and I think fills in all the gaps
Speaker 3: of this really enigmatic character of the Bible that we
Speaker 3: call Esau. And I've done the artwork and everything, but
Speaker 3: on the front of it, it's just got this this
Speaker 3: sasquatch looking walking away from the back with a bow
Speaker 3: on his back because he's the mighty hunter. And then
Speaker 3: there's the table with the famous red bow of stew
Speaker 3: that he's walking away from where he trades his birth ride.
Speaker 4: That's not And you did the artwork yourself, you said, huh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wrote it. I edited it, did the artwork.
Speaker 3: It's on me.
Speaker 4: That's awesome, man. Good for you. Yeah, thank you, Jin
Speaker 4: and JJ. Only because I knew this stuff maybe back
Speaker 4: in twenty ten when I first got into conspiracy theorists.
Speaker 4: Actually this Sumerian and Gilgamesh and all that stuff was
Speaker 4: like very very big for me. And then, honestly, I'm
Speaker 4: just gonna keep it real. I don't remember that stuff
Speaker 4: that much, but I was just wondering, did you guys,
Speaker 4: like remember the Gilgamesh stuff, And I just remember from
Speaker 4: looking at those stories in the past, there was a
Speaker 4: lot of them that I was like, these are quite obvious,
Speaker 4: like redone in the Bible.
Speaker 6: In my opinion, I think I think zach Aricetitching and
Speaker 6: the Sumerian stuff is like junior High of conspiracy.
Speaker 1: Gulture, right stuff, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: You start looking into the law civilizations and you get
Speaker 6: into all that zach Christ Rockefeller financed Zacharist Stitch in research.
Speaker 1: You know, his office is next door to Jordan Max.
Speaker 6: All these characters I find are often pushing the kind
Speaker 6: of the same narratives, right, I was Witness headquarters employee
Speaker 6: Jordan Maxwell, you know what I mean. So these are
Speaker 6: the guys I think that a lot of pushed a
Speaker 6: lot of these ancient Sumerian tails. But there are some
Speaker 6: interest that you know, even even in their false uh
Speaker 6: kind of you know, limited hangout narratives, like there is
Speaker 6: some interesting aspects you can pick up from the work.
Speaker 6: But you know, the these ideas of Uh Sumeria where
Speaker 6: I believe Abraham comes from, right even in the Biblical
Speaker 6: Lenia is right if I'm on their duck, But Abraham,
Speaker 6: who's you know, the Abrahamic religions, right, he comes from
Speaker 6: from uh Er in the ancient Sumer civilization.
Speaker 3: Yeah, from the atlant of Iran.
Speaker 4: You r o and just like the are in there
Speaker 4: still that'd be interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So that's the one thing that always interested me was
Speaker 6: the fact that there are these historical you know, examples
Speaker 6: of artifacts and languages and whatnot from this era. Libraries
Speaker 6: of things have been found over in modern day Iraq,
Speaker 6: like the Babylonian stuff. Yeah, okay that because that came
Speaker 6: right after Sumer, right with Soumer than Babylon. Ray is
Speaker 6: that that the sequence of historical civilizations? So yeah, then
Speaker 6: we see we see the same stuff within the Bible, right,
Speaker 6: we see these characters as described in the Bible that
Speaker 6: are the same characters described in the historical tale. We
Speaker 6: just call them different names oftentimes, but Abraham being the
Speaker 6: bridging gap between those, it seems.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And a lot of the stories and stuff when
Speaker 3: you go to the extra Biblical book state they intertwine.
Speaker 3: So like when you go with the Book of Jasher
Speaker 3: Uh it has a Nimrod being the king over the
Speaker 3: land of Iran. That Tara, which was Abraham's father, was
Speaker 3: the head Idol micro four and it was Nimrod that
Speaker 3: threw them in the fire, and that when God called
Speaker 3: out Abraham, that was the he was the king over
Speaker 3: the land that they went out from. So there's lots
Speaker 3: of inner waving and stuff, and the narratives of those
Speaker 3: stories and stuff.
Speaker 4: Jin.
Speaker 5: Yes, So for me, I definitely always have been a
Speaker 5: Central Asianist because this just makes sense to obviously my
Speaker 5: religious background and my cultural background.
Speaker 2: I've always been interested in Central Asia.
Speaker 5: I've always been interested in like Buddhist studies and like
Speaker 5: what that means, and like because they narrate it as
Speaker 5: like how Christians narrate their story being near East we
Speaker 5: like they would the Central Asian religions narrate their story
Speaker 5: as being central sort of central pillar, but also central
Speaker 5: to the world island, which would be like in Iraq
Speaker 5: or a Kazakhstan or any of those is one of
Speaker 5: those nebulous Central Asian countries. So for me, I'm not
Speaker 5: that I'm like you, Nick, like I'm not that familiar
Speaker 5: with that canon. But from my listening to Robbie on
Speaker 5: this show discuss the you know, the Tower of Nimrod
Speaker 5: and all of that work, and I'm I'm friendly with
Speaker 5: another independent researcher named Patrick Wase who's been on my show,
Speaker 5: and he is also interested in the same kind of
Speaker 5: narrative of the biblical genealogies and like who became what people?
Speaker 5: So I think that it's a running theme through the
Speaker 5: way I think about the world. But I'm not necessarily
Speaker 5: versed in the information that Doc Brown is.
Speaker 4: Yes, neither a mine. Thank you, Doc. One thing I
Speaker 4: did want to ask you Maybe I don't know. If
Speaker 4: JJ Jin would know, you would probably know better. And
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to get off of what you're talking about.
Speaker 4: It's just something that popped into my head. Isn't there
Speaker 4: is it Moses and somebody else? I might have been like,
Speaker 4: aren't they both kind of born with like a lot
Speaker 4: of hair? Or maybe Moses had the glowing eyes or something.
Speaker 4: Wasn't there something weird about both the way they came out,
Speaker 4: or wasn't there like somebody else that might have been
Speaker 4: associated with having like hair too. I could be wrong,
Speaker 4: which is why I'm asking.
Speaker 3: Well, there are some other wild men or harry men
Speaker 3: in the biblical text. But I think what you're talking
Speaker 3: about is in the Book of Enoch, it mentions that
Speaker 3: when Noah was born, that he had like a glowing
Speaker 3: aura about him, and that they were asking basically, his
Speaker 3: father wanted to know, he seeked his grandfather and Metthusda
Speaker 3: wanted to know if he was of the angels, wanted to,
Speaker 3: you know, make sure his wife would and falling around
Speaker 3: with the angels because he was so different.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll jump in.
Speaker 5: Really quick for this is that there is an interpretation
Speaker 5: of this story that he was in fact born on call,
Speaker 5: so like with the veil his face, the placental veil
Speaker 5: and then that because that still means something in like
Speaker 5: esoteric Judaism, esoteric circles.
Speaker 2: Now, so I just I think that that's kind of interesting.
Speaker 5: It's like, yes, you can say he was glowing and
Speaker 5: like you would be the baby would be illuminant in
Speaker 5: a way.
Speaker 2: If he's coming out with like a kind.
Speaker 5: Of reddish, flushy veil over his face, I mean, you know,
Speaker 5: maybe it's a metaphor.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: What's interesting is there has been an occultist that we
Speaker 4: felt not to get with the topic really, but they
Speaker 4: have even showed like a hosts supposing to like occultists
Speaker 4: have mentioned hosts supposing to be the placenta at times,
Speaker 4: believe it or not, I've come across that which is interesting,
Speaker 4: like it like it had the cakes a light technically,
Speaker 4: but something like that, you know what I'm saying, when
Speaker 4: they make their own and it's not like the same
Speaker 4: host from a Catholic church. But I have heard that
Speaker 4: that it could represent the placenta. So I'm bringing that
Speaker 4: up because obviously if that's the case, it must be
Speaker 4: used in ocult terms for something. And I don't even
Speaker 4: think they're technically meaning the real placent that. I think
Speaker 4: they're seeing something else there. Just wandered to throw that in. Thanks,
Speaker 4: I go ahead that.
Speaker 3: But but one of the things that just kind of
Speaker 3: got me started was just was just reading it and
Speaker 3: just letting the text say what it says, because me,
Speaker 3: one of the things that kind of got me in
Speaker 3: the you know, the quote unquote conspiracy realm or the
Speaker 3: fringy side of the Bible was just how the supernatural
Speaker 3: was just whitewashed out of the text and trying to
Speaker 3: restore the supernatural worldview and the the the original lens
Speaker 3: of the people of that time, because with our modern viewpoint,
Speaker 3: you know, we just we have totally just whitewashed this text,
Speaker 3: and we've lost the original interpretation of it. And to
Speaker 3: get the you know, the original contents, you know, and
Speaker 3: context and meaning of this text, we have to restore
Speaker 3: that vision and get that mindset back. Uh So, I
Speaker 3: just try to read the text and let it say
Speaker 3: what it says. And when I read that, you know,
Speaker 3: it's he come out red covered in hair from head
Speaker 3: to toe like a Harry Cloak. So he come out
Speaker 3: with red hair all over his body like a Harry
Speaker 3: Cloak's what it says. So my first thought was, is,
Speaker 3: I mean, this is a little sasquatch man, you know.
Speaker 3: And if we took that in our modern vernacular, if
Speaker 3: we've seen someone covered in red hair from head to
Speaker 3: toe out in the woods without hesitation, I mean we
Speaker 3: would say we've seen a sasquatch, We've seen a bigfoot
Speaker 3: or at least a ginger. Yeah, no offense. And and
Speaker 3: so and another thing about Esau that's kind of he's
Speaker 3: known for and he's famous for, is that the trading
Speaker 3: of his birthright. And that's another thing that when I
Speaker 3: was a kid grown up in church that just never
Speaker 3: sat right with me or never made sense to me.
Speaker 3: And in that story, you know, you get the birth
Speaker 3: of Esau, and then it just kind of fasts forwards
Speaker 3: to when he's an adult and you hear that he's
Speaker 3: this mighty hunter of the field. And then in Genesis
Speaker 3: it just says one day he comes in from the
Speaker 3: field exhausted and that his brother, Jacob, the younger brother,
Speaker 3: is preparing some red lentinal stew, and that he asks
Speaker 3: his brother from for some of this red stew, and
Speaker 3: his brother says, yeah, you can have some of this
Speaker 3: red stew, but trade me your birthright. And in the
Speaker 3: context of this that the eldest son gets the birth right,
Speaker 3: it gets the inheritance. You're the one that's going to
Speaker 3: inherit the keys of the kingdom, you know, the money,
Speaker 3: all the land, the titles, everything is going to be yours.
Speaker 3: So like in modern context, it's like your father's Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: You know, the the all the real estate, the millions
Speaker 3: of dollars, the business, everything is going to be yours.
Speaker 3: And so Esau just says, AI, sure, what use is
Speaker 3: a birthright to me when I'm dead? Take it? Yeah,
Speaker 3: And so Jacob just says, no, promise me, no, no,
Speaker 3: promise me that you will do this thing. And he
Speaker 3: says yes, I promise, and he eats the red stew
Speaker 3: and he walks away, and I'm like, that makes absolutely
Speaker 3: no sense, what you know whatsoever. And pastors would just say, oh, well,
Speaker 3: he was a very carnal man. He was ruled by
Speaker 3: his stomach. He just thought about you know the now
Speaker 3: you know, uh, he was ruled by his fleshly desires
Speaker 3: in his stomach, and he cared nothing for his birthright.
Speaker 3: That's that's what that story was trying to convey there.
Speaker 3: And once I started reading some of these extra biblical texts,
Speaker 3: it tied it just a lot of loose ends. And
Speaker 3: I had mentioned it earlier, but the Book of Jasher
Speaker 3: was one of those. And when I was reading through there,
Speaker 3: I get introduced to Nimrod, and immediately that was eye
Speaker 3: catching for me. And it says that, you know, Nimrod
Speaker 3: was this mighty hunter and Esau was also known as
Speaker 3: the mighty Hunter. So it's kind of like the Highlander,
Speaker 3: you know, you know, there can only be one baby,
Speaker 3: and so these two mighty hunters had to clash to
Speaker 3: see who the real mighty hunter was. And it said
Speaker 3: in the Book of Jasher that jealousy and hatred and
Speaker 3: envy had built up in the heart of Nimrod all
Speaker 3: of his days against Esau, and that him and two
Speaker 3: of his gible rim, which in Hebrew means mighty, and
Speaker 3: that's the same word used in Genesis six and throughout
Speaker 3: the Old Testament to describe the Nephelum giants. Goes out
Speaker 3: to hunt this hirey quote unquote man, and they go
Speaker 3: out and they go try to hunt this man. But
Speaker 3: it says to Esau is out in the wilderness and
Speaker 3: that he sees them, and he hides himself, and it
Speaker 3: says that Esau springs basically a trap, and that he
Speaker 3: jumps out and takes his sword, and he cuts off
Speaker 3: Nimrod's head, and then he battles the other two gibel
Speaker 3: reim to the death and kills them. Well, there's another
Speaker 3: hunting party that they separated themselves from. But this hunting
Speaker 3: party hears all the commotion and comes running. But it
Speaker 3: says before Esau leaves, it says that he takes the
Speaker 3: time to remove Nimrod's garments, and it gives this little
Speaker 3: cliff note, and it says that he removes the garments
Speaker 3: to which Nimrod was able to prevail over all the
Speaker 3: nations and the lands, and then it says that Esau
Speaker 3: takes the garments and runs back to his house and
Speaker 3: he hides the garments and then goes into his brother
Speaker 3: Jacob's tent. And then there's where it picks up where
Speaker 3: the Book of Genesis starts. And I mean it dove
Speaker 3: taells perfectly into the Book of Genesis, and so yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, he come in from the field exhausted. All right,
Speaker 3: He just killed the king Nimrod and battled to giants.
Speaker 3: He probably sustained some life threatening injuries and probably answers
Speaker 3: the question, you know, to why he made that comment
Speaker 3: that he made. What use is a birthright to me
Speaker 3: when I'm dead? Take it? He was probably bleeding out,
Speaker 3: and so this was like a desperation trade. He was probably,
Speaker 3: you know, on the run. He just killed the king
Speaker 3: and was bleeding out in this soup. Was probably like
Speaker 3: an allegorical type thing, you know, hide me, sustain me,
Speaker 3: bandage me up. You know what uses of birth right
Speaker 3: to me when I'm dead? Take it? And that's why
Speaker 3: Jacob was like, no, no, no, you know, promise me you'll
Speaker 3: do this thing. And to me, that made a lot
Speaker 3: more sense than just ah, he was just hungry because
Speaker 3: I mean, he's the mighty hunter.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 4: He wasn't starting go go killick squirreling. You mean I
Speaker 4: have to ad squirrels back then?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then my number one thing after that was after
Speaker 3: reading that, I was like, well, hold up, what's so
Speaker 3: special about those garments that Nimrod was able to prevail
Speaker 3: over all the lands? So I kept reading through Jasher
Speaker 3: and it tells you these garments were the birthright. And
Speaker 3: it says in there that these were the supernatural garments
Speaker 3: from the Garden of God that were given to Adam
Speaker 3: as his covering. And it said that basically at the
Speaker 3: Garden of Eden, when the Cosh the serpent tried to
Speaker 3: deceive Adam and Eve, he was cast down, and that
Speaker 3: he was once the high priest of all creation. He
Speaker 3: was like the king and priest of creation, and he
Speaker 3: was demoted and dominion in priesthood was given to humanity.
Speaker 3: And when you go to Ezekiel twenty eight talking about Satan,
Speaker 3: there it says every precious stone was your covering. You know,
Speaker 3: you were perfect today you were created, And it says
Speaker 3: barrel onyx, topaz jasper Onyx. It names all these different
Speaker 3: stones issoretic texts lists nine stones, but the septuagen lists twelve.
Speaker 3: And if you go through there and read that, that's
Speaker 3: a perfect description of the priestly ephod that the Jewish
Speaker 3: priests war entering the tabernacle and then on down. It
Speaker 3: says it even says, you profaned your sanctuaries, so it's
Speaker 3: paint and stainton in a priestly role. And it even
Speaker 3: says he has a sanctuary. And the Book of Jeshure
Speaker 3: traces these garments being given to Adam and to Enoch,
Speaker 3: to Methuselah, to Noah, and it says that Noah has
Speaker 3: these garments going through the flood, and it says that
Speaker 3: in Ham's going out, that Ham stole the garments and
Speaker 3: give them to Cush, and that Cush hid them, and
Speaker 3: that Nimrod was the child of Cusha's old age, whom
Speaker 3: he loved exceedingly, and that when Nimrod at the coming
Speaker 3: of age, when he turned twenty years old, he gave
Speaker 3: the garments to Nimrod, and that when Nimrod put on
Speaker 3: the garments, he became a gibblerim. And the Book of Genesis,
Speaker 3: a lot of people are fascinated because it says that
Speaker 3: Nimrod wasn't born at Gibblerim. It says that he becomes
Speaker 3: a Gibblerim, and a lot of people theorize, you know
Speaker 3: that he was, you know, he become a giant. Well,
Speaker 3: how did he do that?
Speaker 1: Was it?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: A cult?
Speaker 1: Sex?
Speaker 3: Magic?
Speaker 2: Was it?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: Sacrificial rights?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: And they have all these different theories to how he
Speaker 3: became a nephelom. Well, the book of Jashure attributes it
Speaker 3: to these supernatural garments. And I discovered Lewis Ginsburg. He
Speaker 3: wrote a seven book series called the Legends of the Jews,
Speaker 3: and it talks about these garments too, and it goes
Speaker 3: into great detail, and it says that these were the
Speaker 3: skins of the Nakash, the serpent, and it said that
Speaker 3: the war of these garments, that even the beasts of
Speaker 3: the field would bow down to the wearer of these garments.
Speaker 3: So that that's what Nimrod was wearing when Esau kills
Speaker 3: him and he steals them from him, and that's what
Speaker 3: he hides in his house before he goes and trades
Speaker 3: the birthright for the.
Speaker 1: Bullstoo one garment to rule them all.
Speaker 6: Yes, it's just like the Lord of the Rings type
Speaker 6: of characteristic to these garments, right.
Speaker 3: And that's what he was drawing off of, I believe,
Speaker 3: And you even see that in that movie Noah twenty fourteen,
Speaker 3: because yeah, whoever wrote that storyline was really looking deep
Speaker 3: into Jewish mysticism and Lewis Giindensburg Legends of the Jews
Speaker 3: and reading these extra biblical books. Because it wasn't until
Speaker 3: after I read all this, these lost books and these
Speaker 3: legends and stuff, that I look back at that movie
Speaker 3: and I seen these garments. Because you remember in that film,
Speaker 3: it starts off and Adam and Eve's in the garden
Speaker 3: and their light beings and they're holding hands, right, and
Speaker 3: then it shows this serpent slither up and it opens
Speaker 3: its mouth and it sheds its skin and it leaves
Speaker 3: that snake skin and it's glowing and it's golden. And
Speaker 3: then Adam walks over and picks it up. And then
Speaker 3: later in the film you King Ogg with it and
Speaker 3: he wears it around his arm and it's kind of
Speaker 3: like a crown. That's his symbol of kingship and authority.
Speaker 3: And then in the film he sneaks onto the boat
Speaker 3: and ham just like I was saying, he gets obsessed
Speaker 3: with it, and like in the film, you catch him
Speaker 3: staring at this thing, kind of like Gollum in the Ring.
Speaker 3: He just stares at it. He's obsessed with it. And
Speaker 3: at one point he even tries to steal it from
Speaker 3: Og and All catches him and he grabs him by
Speaker 3: the throat and he was like, this is for a man.
Speaker 3: You're not a man yet, and like throws him down.
Speaker 3: And then in that film, when Noah finally discovers him
Speaker 3: in the Battle of the Ship, they get in this
Speaker 3: fight and Ham has to decide, you know, whose side
Speaker 3: he's gonna pick, and he ends up just siding with
Speaker 3: his father and he stabs Og in the back and
Speaker 3: then Og turns around. He's bleeding out of his mouth,
Speaker 3: and he looks at Ham and he says, now you're
Speaker 3: a man, and he hands him that serpent skin the
Speaker 3: garments with that symbolized. And in that film, at the
Speaker 3: very end of if you remember, Noah's standing there and
Speaker 3: Ham has being kicked out of the family and Noah
Speaker 3: is taking that snake skin. He's wrapping it around his
Speaker 3: arm and he says, this is the birth right given
Speaker 3: to Adam, and he was told to be fruitful and multiply,
Speaker 3: and now I passed his birthright to you. And he
Speaker 3: touches the foreheads of those newborn babies, and that serpent
Speaker 3: skin glows and lights up as he's touching the heads
Speaker 3: of those babies. So you can see that those supernatural
Speaker 3: garments in that film.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think a lot of deep esoteric stuff is
Speaker 6: building the films. I know the films you're talking about
Speaker 6: in the scenes, but I never would have I never
Speaker 6: had these details behind while they're in there.
Speaker 1: That sounds very interesting for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I didn't either to I read this stuff and I
Speaker 3: looked back on it.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of there's a lot of stuff you've
Speaker 4: mentioned that. Well, one thing I did want to ask you,
Speaker 4: uh the other books that you're looking into, any of
Speaker 4: them like considered uh gnostic books or no?
Speaker 3: Uh no, well these were these were like uh Lewis
Speaker 3: Ginsburg Legends of the Jews.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: They he went through and just compiled all like their
Speaker 3: ancient legends and lower.
Speaker 4: Oh no, like I know book like all right, the
Speaker 4: Book of Josh. I know that one's not like the
Speaker 4: Book of I think Thomas and like the Book of
Speaker 4: Mary Magdalen. Those are considered gnostic texts. I wasn't sure
Speaker 4: if you used like that.
Speaker 3: No, I didn't go into any of that.
Speaker 4: Stuff, Okay, no, No, I just wondering that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I went into like the the Midrash and the Targums. Uh,
Speaker 3: some of Rashi's from like medieval writings and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: But like the gnostic stuff, I didn't really go into.
Speaker 4: Okay, you know, just when you started mentioning like other
Speaker 4: like unused books, I was just wondering if any of those. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know. Now, I don't know exactly where it's
Speaker 4: coming from, because again I don't know the Bible that
Speaker 4: well and I don't know. But you know, there was
Speaker 4: a lot of things that you were mentioning, and I
Speaker 4: guess I don't want to spend too much time on it,
Speaker 4: but it does. It does remind me a lot. I
Speaker 4: hate to say the stuff that I've witnessed in the Oto.
Speaker 4: That's so much things being said, but I think like
Speaker 4: the things being done or the imagery around, Like I mean,
Speaker 4: I still think there's a reason we have a tent
Speaker 4: in the minerval initiation. You have a fucking tent in
Speaker 4: the almost practically in the middle of the room that
Speaker 4: we never mentioned or say anything about, you know, and
Speaker 4: then like even in like the Gnostic Mass, you know,
Speaker 4: it is focused that this guy's being clothed and covered
Speaker 4: as he comes out of starts off the mass. There
Speaker 4: was a lot of things that you're a talk you know, yeah,
Speaker 4: well look.
Speaker 3: That isn't the holiest of holies. You know, that was
Speaker 3: the you know, the tabernacle and the priestly garment, the
Speaker 3: e foud, And that's kind of what Satan does historically,
Speaker 3: is he kind of perverts that stuff. And that's kind
Speaker 3: of what I talk about in the book because there
Speaker 3: was a whole narrative and seed war that I discovered
Speaker 3: because when I found that and I found those garments,
Speaker 3: I was like, well, well that's just wild. And then
Speaker 3: I discovered too along with that with with Ham, like
Speaker 3: you know, I talked about the bowl of soup, how
Speaker 3: that just didn't make sense to me, and then I found,
Speaker 3: you know, that other story that tied in that just
Speaker 3: made it made sense. Well even with Noah him you know,
Speaker 3: getting drunk and passing out naked and his son Ham
Speaker 3: seeing his nakedness and him cursing him and cursing his
Speaker 3: firstborn son. That was another thing that just didn't make
Speaker 3: any sense to me. But when you go into levitic
Speaker 3: Is eighteen, that makes perfect sense because in there it says,
Speaker 3: to uncover thy father's nakedness is to sleep with thy
Speaker 3: father's wife. So that's what happened there. It wasn't that
Speaker 3: Noah got drunk and his son send him naked. No
Speaker 3: In that story, Ham slept with his mother. It was
Speaker 3: an incestuous act, and that was an active rebellion in
Speaker 3: the ancient world. It's how the young son tried to
Speaker 3: overthrow the father and take over the household. Because you
Speaker 3: see it repeatedly in the Bible. Absalom when he tried
Speaker 3: to overthrow David. He run David out of the kingdom.
Speaker 3: And the first thing he done is he pitched a
Speaker 3: tent on David's house and he went into all of
Speaker 3: David's concubines in the sight of all of Israel. And
Speaker 3: then Reuben he slept with his father's concubines as an
Speaker 3: active rebellion to try to take over the household.
Speaker 6: So, heyah, excuse me the moving these bloodlines, right, I mean,
Speaker 6: you got the same thing of Moses and Canton situations right,
Speaker 6: whether or not Moses is knocking on, or whether or
Speaker 6: not Moses was Lockington's brother, Akinton's sister wife. You know,
Speaker 6: he's got a very he's got a very Manuel McCrone
Speaker 6: situation popping off.
Speaker 1: He's got a husband, wife's wife, you know.
Speaker 2: Father.
Speaker 3: It's it's like you got the blue bloods. How they
Speaker 3: marry into each other and try to keep the bloodlines pure,
Speaker 3: you know, and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: And it makes sense when you look at it in
Speaker 3: that context because Canaan was the firstborn son of Ham,
Speaker 3: and when you read the story, Canaan wasn't even born yet,
Speaker 3: So it doesn't make sense. Why would Noah, you know,
Speaker 3: recover from his drunkenness and then figure out what happened
Speaker 3: and say, cursed be Canaan a servant to thy brothers,
Speaker 3: Shim and Jacob, you shall be. Canaan wasn't even born yet.
Speaker 3: And then secondly, Shim and Jacobs wouldn't be his brothers unless,
Speaker 3: oh shit, they had the same mother, because Canaan was
Speaker 3: the result of Ham sleeping with his mother and she
Speaker 3: got pregnant with Canaan. Yeah, and that's why Canaan was
Speaker 3: a cursed lineage because he was an incest baby. And
Speaker 3: that's why Abraham and all those of God's people throughout
Speaker 3: the Bible were commanded not to take wives from the
Speaker 3: Canaanites because that's why they were a cursed lineage, because
Speaker 3: they were created from incest. And that so you have
Speaker 3: this whole supernatural type of like seed war thing going on.
Speaker 3: And when you go, like I was talking about Lewis Ginsburg,
Speaker 3: the Legends of the Jews, where it talks about Esau,
Speaker 3: they even said in there that he was born not
Speaker 3: only was he born, you know, looking like this Harry
Speaker 3: Sasquatch guy. It says it in there that Jacob had
Speaker 3: a guardian angel, but his guardian angel was Gabriel. And
Speaker 3: it said that Esau had a guardian angel, but his
Speaker 3: guardian angel was Semi L. Semi L was the name
Speaker 3: of Satan before the fall. And it said that Esau
Speaker 3: was also born with a serpent's marking or branding. So
Speaker 3: they were pointing to Esau being a serpent seed. And
Speaker 3: if you look at Genesis the birth of Esau, not
Speaker 3: only did he come out covered in hare from had
Speaker 3: to toe, looking just like a fertility god. You know,
Speaker 3: all these fertility gods, these wild men like Pan and
Speaker 3: everything else. In Genesis three fifteen at the curse, it
Speaker 3: says in there that he was going to put enmity
Speaker 3: between her seed and the serpent's seed. Right, he said
Speaker 3: one would bruise one's head and the other would bruise
Speaker 3: one's heel. So when Rebecca gets pregnant, the Angel the
Speaker 3: Lord comes to Rebecca and says, two nations, two people's
Speaker 3: are group are in your womb, and they are at
Speaker 3: enmity with each other. One will be stronger than the other,
Speaker 3: he says, but the younger will rule over the older.
Speaker 3: So that's backwards from the culture. So the angel is
Speaker 3: warning her, make sure that the younger rules over the older,
Speaker 3: but the older is going to be stronger than the younger.
Speaker 4: Weird that even sounds like not n of course the truth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then when they're born, the writer gives all
Speaker 3: these extra details because not only does Esau come out
Speaker 3: covet and harefm head the toe and all this stuff.
Speaker 3: It's like Satan and this is me postulating here. It's
Speaker 3: like he reached in the womb and turned them around.
Speaker 3: And that's why the Angel the Lord had to come
Speaker 3: and warn her make sure that the youngest rules over
Speaker 3: the older, because he knew. You know, this is me,
Speaker 3: you know, speculating here. It's like he knew that he
Speaker 3: was going to flip them because when they're born, it's
Speaker 3: almost like Esau's foot is pushing on Jacob's head, bruising
Speaker 3: the head. And it says in there that Jacob's hand
Speaker 3: is grasping the heel of Esau, bruising the heel. It
Speaker 3: says that in Genesis that when they're born, Esau comes
Speaker 3: out first, Red Covet and Harefm had the toe, and
Speaker 3: that Jacob is clutching the heel of Esau. I mean,
Speaker 3: it is a snapshot, a polaroid picture of the Curse
Speaker 3: of Genesis three fifteen. It's the seed war.
Speaker 4: You know. Again, it's probably because I'm stolen. I just
Speaker 4: got like these random thoughts. But like even in David
Speaker 4: Bowie's Blackstar, near the end of the song, he says,
Speaker 4: we were born upside down, we were born the wrong
Speaker 4: way around, and even influences like that returning. I think
Speaker 4: it's how you said, were you know, he's twisted during birth,
Speaker 4: and I thought it the same thing when he said this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so when you go to the garden. You know,
Speaker 3: if if you go to their legends and stuff, his
Speaker 3: garment was taken from him and given to humanity. And
Speaker 3: if he does have a seed where you know it
Speaker 3: says she has a seed, he has a seed, there's
Speaker 3: going to be an enmity with one another. If Esau
Speaker 3: was his seed, it makes perfect that they're fighting over
Speaker 3: this authority position and these garments. So it's kind of
Speaker 3: tied into this storyline here, the battling of these garments.
Speaker 3: And it also gives motivation because I said it in
Speaker 3: the book, if this was his authority position, something he
Speaker 3: wore with pride and pomp, and this was his basically
Speaker 3: his crown, his kingship and authority thing, and it was
Speaker 3: taken from him and given to his quote unquote you know,
Speaker 3: younger brother, if you look at it in a family aspect,
Speaker 3: that alone, you know, would make Satan hate you.
Speaker 4: Do you ever think it's possible. I know that this
Speaker 4: is a question going out there only because the shit's
Speaker 4: stuck in my head on all just talk about it.
Speaker 4: Do you ever like wonder if some of these stories
Speaker 4: might actually be going back to like physiology or anything,
Speaker 4: the brain of the eyes and stuff.
Speaker 3: No, I never thought about it.
Speaker 4: I have with this story just in a certain extent.
Speaker 4: It just it would be too much to explain. I
Speaker 4: was just I figured it.
Speaker 5: No, sorry, justin Sorry Nick, But I just want to
Speaker 5: jump in here and say that Nick said something really interesting.
Speaker 5: Because if the eyes are the flaming eyes, like the
Speaker 5: eyes the perceiver, the watcher of the world, you could say,
Speaker 5: so Doc Brown was talking about like the Gibbriam. Well, Nick,
Speaker 5: as you know because we talk about ula pretty much
Speaker 5: every time, come on, is that gibbering can also refer
Speaker 5: to that process of the sage or the saint moving through.
Speaker 2: The fire of Geverra. That's obviously related.
Speaker 5: So he becomes the hero through the fires of transmutation,
Speaker 5: but it's notification.
Speaker 4: Of the soul purified.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, exactly. But he in the Jewish idea, he
Speaker 5: doesn't stay at Guvera. So that's more of a Western
Speaker 5: magician I that you like, the terminus is Geverra, but
Speaker 5: in the Jewish idea he actually passes from Hesd so
Speaker 5: Jupiter or like the mercy of God into the strength
Speaker 5: of God. So also referencing Samuel, because Samuel can also
Speaker 5: be understood, is that one of the angels that is
Speaker 5: at Goeverra, so he has to pass through that the
Speaker 5: water and the fire, and then he comes out at
Speaker 5: Tiffert or the sun.
Speaker 2: So it's there's an implicit balance.
Speaker 5: And even with the numerology of some of the verses
Speaker 5: that Justin was talking about, a lot of them have
Speaker 5: ten will that'll be equivalent to ten, And so you'll
Speaker 5: see this as like a sort of a subtle twilight language,
Speaker 5: a signal that it's really talking about the middle pillar,
Speaker 5: but it might explain it through the extremities or the polarities. Anyways,
Speaker 5: just a thought.
Speaker 4: I have, and I probably should have brought up a
Speaker 4: lot of the stuff as I was going on. I
Speaker 4: just I wanted to keep it his show. In that line.
Speaker 4: There was a lot of stuff that was coming up
Speaker 4: that just to me makes me think about a lot
Speaker 4: of the brain and the eyeballs, even a lot of
Speaker 4: stuff with the nephelim and the elo him. Sometimes I
Speaker 4: do question if that's the formation of the brain, the
Speaker 4: X and Y chromosomes, because it's like almost the same story.
Speaker 4: If you look at what's going on and then your
Speaker 4: eyeballs are born, you know, it's to get into it
Speaker 4: and you know then all the coverings and stuff, everything's
Speaker 4: deeply layered. With the eyeballs in the brain, you do
Speaker 4: have layers around them. I mean it's even like one
Speaker 4: of the logos that I have, I have a spider
Speaker 4: around there. People have no idea why. It's for the
Speaker 4: irachnoid layer that surrounds your brain. That's why I have it.
Speaker 4: Then you know, references back to a spider. But I'm
Speaker 4: a firm believer. Everything's multi layer.
Speaker 3: It's like you have alchemical, you have literal, you have physical,
Speaker 3: you know physiology. It's like, you know there's things I
Speaker 3: have multi layers of truth.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: You know for just some reason, like this story that
Speaker 4: you covered, just like it was just hitting on so
Speaker 4: many things, and I was like, that's so. I was
Speaker 4: like sitting like jeez, I was like, really co it
Speaker 4: is through a lot of stuff in my head. I
Speaker 4: was like, that sounds like something like have you seen
Speaker 4: no other occult stuffer in the oto?
Speaker 3: And one thing I found it was really cool too,
Speaker 3: is like the bloodlines. Because you have all this stuff
Speaker 3: going on, and once he it's like he when he
Speaker 3: trades that birthright, it's like he tells his brother whatever
Speaker 3: he wants to hear, just because he wants to survive,
Speaker 3: you know. It's like, oh, whatever, I'll tell you whatever
Speaker 3: you want to hear, Daddy. It's just I want to live.
Speaker 3: And so after he does that, it's like later on,
Speaker 3: when his father's dying, he goes to give him the blessing,
Speaker 3: and this is kind of like, you know, I can
Speaker 3: verbally tell you, yeah, I'll give you my my twenty
Speaker 3: ten challenger when I die, son, But if we don't
Speaker 3: go to the lawyer's office and fill out the paperwork,
Speaker 3: it's not official, you know. So when the father gives
Speaker 3: you the blessing at the death head that that's the
Speaker 3: signing of the documents. It's official. So uh, his father,
Speaker 3: when he's on his deathbed, he calls Esau and he says, son,
Speaker 3: you know my life's fading. I want to taste your
Speaker 3: game one last time. Go go on a hunt, prepare
Speaker 3: for me a delicious meal, and I will give you your blessing.
Speaker 3: So if he, you know, planned on honoring his agreement
Speaker 3: that he made with his brother, that would have been
Speaker 3: a perfect time for him to be like a dad.
Speaker 3: I traded the birthright to my younger brother. But he
Speaker 3: didn't do that. He was like, okay, yeah, I'll be
Speaker 3: right back. And it says that Isaac's vision was fading,
Speaker 3: he was going blind in his older age. So Esau
Speaker 3: leaves to go on this hunt. Well, Rebecca was hiding
Speaker 3: by the tent and overhears this and she runs and
Speaker 3: gets Jacob. And here's where you get the deception in
Speaker 3: the Bible. And Rebecca tells Jacob, go get a young
Speaker 3: goat from the field and kill it. I'll prepare a
Speaker 3: delicious meal for your father. And you go in and
Speaker 3: pretend to be your brother and still the blessing. And
Speaker 3: he says, no, Mother, he says, I'm a smooth man. Well,
Speaker 3: if my father knows I'm playing a trick, a curse
Speaker 3: will fall upon me instead of a blessing. And she says, well,
Speaker 3: if a curse falls, let it fall upon my head.
Speaker 3: Just do as I say. So a lot of people
Speaker 3: that want to try to say, oh, ESO's hairiness is
Speaker 3: hyperbole or it's poetic language, you know, how do you
Speaker 3: explain that? Because he says, no, I'm a smooth man.
Speaker 3: And when he goes and kills the goat, they take
Speaker 3: the goat's fur and they wrap it around him like
Speaker 3: a blanket. And then the garment's are in that story too,
Speaker 3: because a lot of people miss it. Before he goes in,
Speaker 3: they wrap him in this blanket of this goat's fur.
Speaker 3: And it says that Rebecca goes to Esau's tent and
Speaker 3: takes his special garment and places it upon Jacob before
Speaker 3: he enters the tent, and that when he walks into
Speaker 3: the tent, Isaac reaches out and feels of the goats
Speaker 3: fur and says, I hear my son Jacob, but I
Speaker 3: feel my son Esau. But then he makes this remark,
Speaker 3: he says, but you smell of the field, so I
Speaker 3: know you are my son, Esau. And so I kind
Speaker 3: of make like this little, you know, joke, kind of
Speaker 3: like a half hearted joke. But it's like you kind
Speaker 3: of hear about these phantom smells, you know, with the
Speaker 3: bigfoot encounters, and how I'm kind of talking about how Esau,
Speaker 3: you know, might be a bigfoot. But so they deceive
Speaker 3: him and he gives the blessing and he leaves. Well,
Speaker 3: Esau comes back and says, here's father, arise, eat your
Speaker 3: meal and give me my blessing. He's like, already give
Speaker 3: you your blessing. He's like, no, you did, father, and
Speaker 3: they realized, you know, that the trick was in And
Speaker 3: according to Lewis Ginsburg and the Legends of the Jews,
Speaker 3: it's in Bible just says that he gets so mad
Speaker 3: that he says he's going to kill his brother, and
Speaker 3: Rebecca sends him to the land of Haran and says,
Speaker 3: just hide to your brother's wrath. Subsides, he's threatened to
Speaker 3: kill you. But Lewis Ginsburg's Legends of the Jews gives
Speaker 3: a little more detail. It says that Esau says, I
Speaker 3: will slay my brother, not with a sword nor bow.
Speaker 3: I will bite his neck and drain him of his blood,
Speaker 3: and I will bite him until he is dead. So
Speaker 3: it's kind of got like this vamporistic feel to it.
Speaker 3: But at this point it's like Esau goes into full
Speaker 3: rebellion and he takes three wives, and two of the
Speaker 3: wives are Canaanite wives, and then they're commanded not to
Speaker 3: do and kind of talked about that earlier, but thanks
Speaker 3: to people like Gary Wayne that done such a good
Speaker 3: job tracing the genealogies, we know that two of those
Speaker 3: wives were Horodes and Hevites, and they were known Nephilim
Speaker 3: giant tribes, and the Book of Genesis says one of
Speaker 3: them was this guy named Sierra, and he reigned from
Speaker 3: this land called Mount Sierra. And when you go into
Speaker 3: the etymology in Hebrew, that means Harry. So here you
Speaker 3: have this Harry quote unquote Sasquatch sounding guy Esaw that
Speaker 3: marries into Nephilim giant tribes with their names meaning Harry,
Speaker 3: you got a pretty high likelihood throwing some really strange
Speaker 3: pups anyway. And from this union is birth the Amalekite race.
Speaker 3: And once again, the etymology of that name in Hebrew
Speaker 3: means the blood liquors, so it's got like a even
Speaker 3: a vamporistic feel to that also, and the yes exactly
Speaker 3: and the immediately will Rabbi Rashi in his writings, he
Speaker 3: talks about that they were known sorcerers and that they
Speaker 3: were shape shifters, and that's why it said kill every man,
Speaker 3: woman and child when they were coming out of the
Speaker 3: wilderness wanderings, because they were known shape shifters and that
Speaker 3: they would shift into animal forms to evade capture, and
Speaker 3: that's why they told him to do that.
Speaker 6: Well, a lot of giant cannibal stories throughout time, isn't there?
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: It's pretty wild. I mean you get echoes of it,
Speaker 3: I believe, like when you go to like you can
Speaker 3: see like their migrations because Sardinia, like during the winter solstice. Uh,
Speaker 3: they have this archaic tree and when you ask them
Speaker 3: to hell, they don't even remember where it comes from.
Speaker 3: But they have like this thing they call the mathones.
Speaker 3: And the men dress up and they cover themselves in
Speaker 3: black goats fur and black wooden masks, and they put
Speaker 3: golden or copper bells on their backs and they dance
Speaker 3: through the streets and they abduct women and the children
Speaker 3: that are coming of age. They like these huge bonfires
Speaker 3: and to prove their you know, their vigor or bravery,
Speaker 3: they have to pass through the fire. And then you
Speaker 3: have Crampus, you know up there in Europe and all
Speaker 3: these other wild man stories and traditions. I think all
Speaker 3: that stuff is echoing from these Nephelim giant tribes and
Speaker 3: union of these Amalekite, these hairy quote unquote people.
Speaker 6: What was the example of the one before Grampus you
Speaker 6: were talking where they were raiding folks and raping piligions things.
Speaker 1: What was this one?
Speaker 3: Like in Sardinia the Mathones during the yeah, uh, the
Speaker 3: winter solstice, they would dress up and cover themselves in
Speaker 3: black goats, fur and dance to the streets.
Speaker 1: Said you said that, I thought of the festivals of Crampus.
Speaker 6: I mean, these are the same festivals you're talking were
Speaker 6: just different cultures in different times.
Speaker 3: It sounds like right, yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 4: You mentioned copper bells. I don't know much about that thing,
Speaker 4: but when you've looked into it, does it specify specifically
Speaker 4: that it's always like copper bells or something that's supposed.
Speaker 3: To be Yeah, they put hundreds of copper bales on
Speaker 3: their backs.
Speaker 4: Jin you think that's for a specific reason, the copper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, yeah, I think it's. Yeah, so it's clearly very.
Speaker 5: Affiliated with Venus, with nut sock with because it's also
Speaker 5: has a greening quality, right, copper does so, and it
Speaker 5: also generated it also.
Speaker 4: Oh, we'll turn green when it's copper with god what
Speaker 4: do they call that word? I forgot, But eventually it'll
Speaker 4: turn copper, I mean, copper will turn green because it
Speaker 4: looks like yes.
Speaker 5: It yes, And interestingly, mercury something you brought up pre recording.
Speaker 5: Mercury actually dissolves the greening process, the chrystopia. So something
Speaker 5: interesting about that because Hode and not Talk have that
Speaker 5: inherent kind of relationship, Mercury and Venus have like a
Speaker 5: constant energetic push and pull.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you know what it is too, is
Speaker 4: that like even I can't remember exactly what episodes recently,
Speaker 4: but like I've even it might have been the one
Speaker 4: with Pyramid Power with uh I forgot his name, oops, uh,
Speaker 4: or maybe another episode we were talking about like you
Speaker 4: see like a lot of these alchemists. Oh, like these
Speaker 4: old like drawings of these people and like you know,
Speaker 4: these old occultists and like you know, they're wearing like
Speaker 4: a like an aluminum or copper hat, and people like
Speaker 4: you know, aren't thinking much about it. It's like, oh,
Speaker 4: it's just some weird thing. And like we had somebody
Speaker 4: like kind of on that was like you know, if
Speaker 4: you kind of understand like you know, science and some
Speaker 4: even some basic shit, actually you know, with copper and
Speaker 4: a few wires, you can actually start doing some weird shit,
Speaker 4: you know, you start cloud busting. But like, you know,
Speaker 4: how do you know, Like what I'm getting at is
Speaker 4: they do think some of these medals sometimes back in
Speaker 4: the day. Believe it or not, I think they're actually
Speaker 4: hip to occult science and that's why they actually chose
Speaker 4: certain metals to wear, like as jewelry or symbolism.
Speaker 3: That's w Yeah. Nephlim giants were obsessed with copper too,
Speaker 3: that the copper trade. You know, there's a lot of
Speaker 3: people theorized that the the giants during the what they
Speaker 3: call it the Great Diaspora, when they were invading the
Speaker 3: Holy Land, the ones that were smart jumped on their
Speaker 3: ships and took off, and Uh, they theorized a lot
Speaker 3: of people that they went to A bunch of them
Speaker 3: went to North America. And that that's why you see
Speaker 3: over in Michigan, Uh, all those copper minds that were mined,
Speaker 3: and they even have hy having a brain fart on
Speaker 3: the name Phoenician style ships carved into the rocks and
Speaker 3: stuff over there in Michigan that they found really and
Speaker 3: I can't remember how many thous hundreds of thousands of
Speaker 3: pounds that they have estimated that are missing from those mines.
Speaker 3: And the thing is about the Michigan copper is that
Speaker 3: it's traceable. It's the most pure copper in the world.
Speaker 3: It's like ninety five point eight percent pure. And because
Speaker 3: it's so pure, they can trace it and they find
Speaker 3: that specific copper in Europe, in Asia, Africa, everywhere, and
Speaker 3: they know that so much is missing because these Phoenicians,
Speaker 3: these giants were coming over and mining it and bringing
Speaker 3: it back and shipping it throughout the world. And a
Speaker 3: lot of people theorize these are the same people that
Speaker 3: were going into Michigan and from there hitting the rivers
Speaker 3: and going into the Ohio River Valley and building all
Speaker 3: these mounds and giant structures.
Speaker 4: I was just going to say, you know, I could
Speaker 4: imagine with rivers and the copper, that might actually really
Speaker 4: help trying to get certain effects with that land if
Speaker 4: you know what you're doing. That's interesting.
Speaker 1: So these are the folks that are buried at the
Speaker 1: bottom of these mountains, is what you're saying. They're duck.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the Adeena mounds, the giant, the giant quote unquote
Speaker 6: giant human skeletons.
Speaker 3: I think so.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 5: Sorry, sorry, guys. Something interesting that Nick said. If you
Speaker 5: have copper and water and you're laying it in.
Speaker 2: A specific pattern.
Speaker 5: This is something I've been thinking about, is that if
Speaker 5: you are trying to build like the tree of life
Speaker 5: in a physical sort of way, the first thing that
Speaker 5: you would build is not the sufferer, because the suffer
Speaker 5: is just a negative space, but it but you would
Speaker 5: build the paths. So what would be a better conductive
Speaker 5: material than both water and copper? And then both of
Speaker 5: those things have a negative quality as well because they
Speaker 5: can conduct electricity. So I don't know, I think that's
Speaker 5: really interesting that you saw dot neck because if that's
Speaker 5: what roads are we.
Speaker 4: Even thought about, like, yeah, I mean like the cop
Speaker 4: of piping in your house, I mean never run on them. Interesting, Yeah,
Speaker 4: but uh no, I was just why I guarantee you
Speaker 4: that that that land, it's probably very useful for certain stuff.
Speaker 4: That is interesting to think about. With Michigan, I never
Speaker 4: knew that that that gold. That copper you're saying is
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you do like three church on there's a
Speaker 3: like a Fritz Zimmerman. He's done a lot of work
Speaker 3: on that.
Speaker 4: Oh nice, Okay, I've heard of that guy. Interesting.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's no shortage of copper either, Nick. I mean
Speaker 6: we're talking like Justin. Justin was saying there's a large
Speaker 6: volume of copper. I mean it was mine out here. Ever, well,
Speaker 6: I think I think they estimated around what twenty five
Speaker 6: hundred which I'm sorry, three thousand years ago? Twenty five
Speaker 6: hundred years ago? Maybe, Yeah, that's the same dates. That's
Speaker 6: the same dates these Adena mounds are built. These same
Speaker 6: areas is where these were the routes and around this
Speaker 6: copper mining operations.
Speaker 3: They believe the water levels were a lot higher back
Speaker 3: then too, that they could have sailed straight in from
Speaker 3: like around like Boston or the New England area and
Speaker 3: went straight into the Great Lakes area.
Speaker 6: Oh sure, you can still do You can still do
Speaker 6: that in thirteen sixty four when some nights Templar Fellas
Speaker 6: did that and made their way all the way over
Speaker 6: to Kensington, Minnesota, Alexandria, Minnesota.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes sense because I think we was talking
Speaker 3: about last time, even that Hexagon hinge up there New York,
Speaker 3: the opening that hinge lines up perfectly to Bale Taine
Speaker 3: on May first, and I mean that was the bail
Speaker 3: that was the Phoenician God. What why is that lined
Speaker 3: up to a Phoenician worship day? And then you go
Speaker 3: up to UH America's Stone Hinge, you know, Harvard Professor
Speaker 3: Barry Fell found those stones up there with all that
Speaker 3: Phoenician that Paleo Phoenician script and deciphered it and then
Speaker 3: it said we the Phoenicians late lay claim uh to
Speaker 3: bail we dedicate, I mean, the Phoenicians got their.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the the you know, the all this uh, pre
Speaker 6: American history stuff is very interesting relatively these stories you're
Speaker 6: describing with. So this Iran location, that's that's a Turkey
Speaker 6: right where the story began in the tales here modern
Speaker 6: day up there, modern day Turkey years San Lurfa correct.
Speaker 3: Mm hm.
Speaker 6: This would later also be an integral place and and
Speaker 6: uh and uh a number of storylines that that area,
Speaker 6: and most notably that was the location in that Templar
Speaker 6: sent their first crusade two for for the first thirty
Speaker 6: years of the crusades.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean it's the cradle of all civilization
Speaker 3: and they knew that, knew they.
Speaker 6: Were very interested in that before, they were very interested
Speaker 6: in Jerusalem whatever was going on there. That that was
Speaker 6: their main that was their main headquarters for like I said,
Speaker 6: thirty years.
Speaker 3: M hm, yeah, and interesting too, was just touching back
Speaker 3: to what I was talking about there with them Alakites
Speaker 3: when you go back to Exodus when God people was
Speaker 3: in the wilderness wanderings. These Amalekites, the you know, these
Speaker 3: Harry you know quote unquote men that was the product
Speaker 3: of Nephelom giants and Esau inter breeding, you know, like
Speaker 3: I said, Rashi had then said that they were sorcerers,
Speaker 3: known sorcerers, And according to biblical text, these were the
Speaker 3: first people that attacked God's people in their wilderness wanderings.
Speaker 3: And the Book of Isaiah talks about uh, Harry Satyr's
Speaker 3: you know, it talks about it. You know, when you
Speaker 3: go into the septuagen it says the wild men will
Speaker 3: dance in the desolate cities.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it's kind of referencing these people.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's the same concept you find in paying right
Speaker 6: to Harry Wellman dancing the.
Speaker 3: World right exactly. And you don't get you know, laws,
Speaker 3: rules and regulations. If people are not breaking these said laws,
Speaker 3: rules and regulations, you know, and during these wilderness wanderings,
Speaker 3: that's when they get all there, do not do this,
Speaker 3: do not do that. So if you look at them,
Speaker 3: what are those you know, it says, do not pass
Speaker 3: your children through the fires of Molek do not drink
Speaker 3: the blood. The life is in the blood. It says,
Speaker 3: no longer will you sacrifice to harry goat demons. Do
Speaker 3: not seek necromancers and sorcerers. So you get in all
Speaker 3: these laws and rules like this that are all associated
Speaker 3: with sorcerers. And we know the Amalekites were there because
Speaker 3: the Bible says that they were there. They were the
Speaker 3: first ones to attack God's people while they were in
Speaker 3: their wilderness wanderings. We know, according to Rashi and his
Speaker 3: writings that these Amalekites were sorcerers. We know by their
Speaker 3: names that they were harry looking goat demon people. We
Speaker 3: know by their names that they were blood liquors. I
Speaker 3: think that God's people were having encounters with these people
Speaker 3: and seeing them do all these things, and we're trying
Speaker 3: to copy and imitate them, and that's why they started
Speaker 3: getting all these laws and rules and regulations. And when
Speaker 3: they finally do have a battle with these people, you
Speaker 3: have this weird, supernatural encounter. Because a lot of people
Speaker 3: kind of skim over this. But when they finally had
Speaker 3: this battle with these Amalekites, you have this strange story
Speaker 3: where it says that Moses has to take his supernatural rod.
Speaker 3: The same rod now that divided the Red Sea, that
Speaker 3: turned the Nile to blood, that brought frogs out and
Speaker 3: locusts that he threw down it turned into a serpent
Speaker 3: and devoured the pharaoh's magician's serpents. This was a very
Speaker 3: special supernatural rod. That he took this rod and still
Speaker 3: on the mountain and had the hole hold it over
Speaker 3: his head. And it said that only when he held
Speaker 3: this rod over his head were they able to overcome
Speaker 3: the Amalekites. And it said that when he is his
Speaker 3: arms crew tired, and that he would lower the rod,
Speaker 3: that the Amalekites started overcoming the Israelites. And that that
Speaker 3: Moses that Aaron and Joshua had to like help him
Speaker 3: hold his arms up until the battle was finished and completed.
Speaker 3: So I think there's like a whole supernatural sorcery Harry Potter,
Speaker 3: Lord of the Rings, Gandalf kind of thing going on
Speaker 3: that we're not reading into. Like, so Moses was on
Speaker 3: one mountain, you know, doing some like sorcery type of
Speaker 3: warfare against the head sorcerer of the Amalekites on the
Speaker 3: other side of the valley. That that we kind of
Speaker 3: have to read between the lines there.
Speaker 6: Now, I like all these stories, and especially when you're
Speaker 6: talking all these bloodlines, especially when you talk Moses and
Speaker 6: you know the interactions of whatever Moses and Akana have there,
Speaker 6: because all of these bloodlines today through these European royalty
Speaker 6: and whatnot, also claim Leny is all the way back
Speaker 6: into this American kind of blue blood and royalty stuff
Speaker 6: over here. They all, they all, they all seem to
Speaker 6: profess Lennys back to Akana and indoor Moses there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what you said JJ really interesting because my buddy
Speaker 5: Patricks will just a I'll shout them out again. Is
Speaker 5: that he posits like this division between the descends of
Speaker 5: Ham and like so in his opinion, the descendants of
Speaker 5: Ham become like these we'll call them black magicians. And
Speaker 5: then like Justin is saying, like the you have like
Speaker 5: this other faction. He calls it the m faction. This
Speaker 5: also makes sense to Nick brought up like the Nastick texts.
Speaker 5: It's like, what Nastick texts are you reading? They narrate
Speaker 5: different heroes. They narrate the same Bible heroes, but maybe
Speaker 5: in a totally different way. Maybe the Bible hero will
Speaker 5: be like the evil guy in one story or the
Speaker 5: hero in another story. So it really depends, like narrative
Speaker 5: really matters. But then I think with Justina it was
Speaker 5: really interesting, like you have Noah casting. I think he
Speaker 5: said Noah or Moses Moses excuse me, so Moses casting
Speaker 5: spells Noah is excuse me.
Speaker 2: Moses is the first. He's really the first sorcerer.
Speaker 5: That you encounter in the Bible, if you're reading it
Speaker 5: in that way, at least in terms of like the
Speaker 5: Grimoire tradition and what people.
Speaker 2: Thought of it.
Speaker 4: That is true. Moses is And I think I've said
Speaker 4: it on the show previously too though, but yeah, Moses is,
Speaker 4: you know coming. I guess depending on what type of
Speaker 4: ceremonial magic you're into, he is considered like the O G.
Speaker 4: You know, good point, Thank you, Jim, uh doc. Is
Speaker 4: there anything else you want to do talk about? H JJ?
Speaker 4: Did you have any other questions about, like, you know,
Speaker 4: things to talk about with like the mountains or things
Speaker 4: that we're mentioning before before we wrap it up?
Speaker 6: Well, you read my mind, sir. I do like the
Speaker 6: mound narratives of this and this, how you tied in this.
Speaker 6: These folks may be the giants there at the base
Speaker 6: of these Adena mounds. And again the Knights Templar and
Speaker 6: their descendants very interested in specifically these Adena Mountains. So
Speaker 6: and again the Knights Templar again very interested in in
Speaker 6: the ancient area of the Harn City of Ran, the
Speaker 6: San Larfare. It has gone to a number of names
Speaker 6: over the years, currently known as San Lerfa Theirs. It's
Speaker 6: the area where Isis has been blowing stuff up for
Speaker 6: the last decade, right the border of Syria and Turkey,
Speaker 6: blowing up all those old ancient holy sites. That's the
Speaker 6: same region we're talking here. Yeah, but the Templars were
Speaker 6: very much interested in. It seems like this mound stuff
Speaker 6: maybe the the under you know, the throughput narrative throughout
Speaker 6: these these times and various places between the American mound
Speaker 6: stuff and the Templars interest in both of these locations
Speaker 6: as well, back over there to the old the old
Speaker 6: mound country, because there's mounds over there as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think this Harry Wildman is connected to
Speaker 3: it also. And just like we talked about earlier, you know,
Speaker 3: truth is multi layered. You know, it's not a one
Speaker 3: size fits all solution on anything. A lot of people
Speaker 3: want to talk about, you know, Bigfoot being a giganta pithecus,
Speaker 3: or it's a supernatural thing that can teleport in and
Speaker 3: out of portals, or it's an ancient remnant of something
Speaker 3: left over. I don't see how it can't be all
Speaker 3: these things. And in this book it's fifteen chapters, and
Speaker 3: I dive down a lot of different rabbit holes. But
Speaker 3: far as like the Bigfoot phenomena, I cover all those
Speaker 3: different things and kind of tied all up with a
Speaker 3: pretty red bow the best that I can. As I
Speaker 3: talk about the Nephelum giants, and if you go with
Speaker 3: that narrative too, even though you know it talks about
Speaker 3: the disembodied spirits. So the Nephilom are cursed to Rome
Speaker 3: Earth as demons. So I postulate, if that is the case,
Speaker 3: would they not want to choose a familiar form that
Speaker 3: they used to be in these huge, hairy looking men,
Speaker 3: And then that could very well answer why they are
Speaker 3: able to phase in and out of reality and come
Speaker 3: in like apparitions and mind speak and things like that,
Speaker 3: And far as the UFO phenomenon that's sometimes associated with them,
Speaker 3: you know, I pose the question could that very well
Speaker 3: be fallen angel conveyance, checking in on their aunts and
Speaker 3: nieces and nephews, you know, and family members and things
Speaker 3: like that. Possibly, and you still have to leave the
Speaker 3: door open. Could there be a remnant, an ancient remnant
Speaker 3: left over? Yeah, at the panda. A lot of people
Speaker 3: will look at the panda and forget this was an
Speaker 3: ancient legend. It was a myth like Bigfoot. For thousands
Speaker 3: of years, people talked about this white bear in the
Speaker 3: Asian mountains, and people said it was fake. It wasn't real.
Speaker 3: It was a legend. You know, it was fake. It
Speaker 3: wasn't real, and it took them thousands of years where
Speaker 3: they finally found one. And a panda's not that smart.
Speaker 3: If a panda can avoid be seen or captured for
Speaker 3: thousands of years, you know, you know you have something
Speaker 3: that has human intelligence and it's a mighty hunter and
Speaker 3: knows the cave systems. I mean, it's not unreasonable to
Speaker 3: think that it can avoid being seen or captured.
Speaker 4: What did you see thinking that's a comparson. I hate
Speaker 4: to like speak for it, and she's not here. But
Speaker 4: the funny thing is with the panda, I've had Lisa
Speaker 4: explain this to me before she even said the whole
Speaker 4: thing with that that animal to even breed it is like,
Speaker 4: it's so ridiculous. And she says, if you look at
Speaker 4: it's makeup, she says, you would almost actually think that
Speaker 4: that motherfucker was genetically made and not natural. So you
Speaker 4: even have to you know, was a legend brought to life. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know, but she has told me that about
Speaker 4: the panda, that it's if you're still looking at it,
Speaker 4: it is a very interesting, weird thing that shouldn't.
Speaker 1: Probably exist and super dumb.
Speaker 3: Sorry to interrupted with that, but yeah, no, I mean
Speaker 3: that's a good points. That's something that my buddy brought
Speaker 3: up to me and I was like that, I mean
Speaker 3: that is a good point because I mean, if you
Speaker 3: have a humanoid creature with human intelligence that knows the
Speaker 3: cave systems in and out, it could very easily avoid
Speaker 3: being captured. And look at bears, you know, people talk
Speaker 3: about bears. It's like, we know there's bears everywhere, and
Speaker 3: I've been in the woods. I've been an avid hunter
Speaker 3: for a majority of my life. I've never seen a
Speaker 3: dead bear in the woods. And people talk about we've
Speaker 3: never seen a dead bigfoot or we've never seen a
Speaker 3: body well, I've been one hundred most of my life.
Speaker 3: I've never seen a dead bear.
Speaker 4: Still, I've never seen a really good point. Yeah, well,
Speaker 4: I mean you even look at certain animals. In my opinion,
Speaker 4: I even think of my lifetime unless I just wasn't
Speaker 4: paying attention that much. But I even feel like animals nowadays,
Speaker 4: just from looking at social media, it seems like they're
Speaker 4: almost getting a little bit more with it. Like I'm like,
Speaker 4: you know, like really almost like interacting with humans in
Speaker 4: weird ways. So it's like, you know, after a certain
Speaker 4: amount of time, I mean, even if you could something
Speaker 4: start to just kind of be aware a little bit more.
Speaker 3: Secretive jungle expands.
Speaker 4: That's interesting. Is there anything else you wanted to cover
Speaker 4: or talk about? Any of you guys got questions for
Speaker 4: this man over here?
Speaker 6: What do the Catholics think of? Why did they get
Speaker 6: rid of them out of their Why why was it
Speaker 6: a loss?
Speaker 1: A lost? You know? A scripture from the from the
Speaker 1: Vatican cannon right.
Speaker 3: Honestly, it's it's that's a rabbit hole that it's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: If I can find it, I'll show you this picture.
Speaker 3: I think that Esau and Kane is in assisting chapel.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, there you go.
Speaker 6: Uh yeah, because obviously they've gone to various iterations over time.
Speaker 6: What is the Vatican and their their you know, their theology,
Speaker 6: but in the in the power structure.
Speaker 3: But because is not the not the only Harry wildman.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: A lot of extra biblical books and legends say that
Speaker 3: Cain's marking was that he was covered in hair, and
Speaker 3: that's why he was scared to death of being killed,
Speaker 3: because he looked like a wild animal, and that he
Speaker 3: was given a horn, one horn, and that Lomec when
Speaker 3: he said if Kane was cursed time seven, I'll be
Speaker 3: cursed seventy times seven. In the Book of Genesis, well
Speaker 3: there's in the Midrash. The Jewish legends say that Lomeck
Speaker 3: was going blind in his older age, and that his
Speaker 3: son would help him go hunting, and that his son
Speaker 3: thought he'd seen a wild animal and guided his bow
Speaker 3: and told him to shoot, and he shot and killed
Speaker 3: this animal, and when he got up on it, realized
Speaker 3: it was his ancestor Kane, and in his anger, killed
Speaker 3: his son tubal Cane for the mistake. And when he
Speaker 3: goes home, that's where Genesis picks up and he says,
Speaker 3: if Kane was or cursed Time seven, I'll be seventy
Speaker 3: times seven because I killed a man and in my
Speaker 3: anger a youth. That's what he was talking about. And Raschi,
Speaker 3: that guy talked about earlier. He thinks that the cursing
Speaker 3: of King Time seven was a mistranslation. He believes that
Speaker 3: it was saying that God was saying that telling Cain
Speaker 3: to not worry that Abel's blood would not be avenged
Speaker 3: until the seventh generation, because if you count seven generations
Speaker 3: from him, you come to limec very interesting to say
Speaker 3: the least. And Nevickinzer his transformation sounds a lot like
Speaker 3: a bigfoot. His hair grows long as eagles, feathers, his
Speaker 3: nails as long as eagles talons, and he's cursed to
Speaker 3: roam the beasts or the fields and eat the grass
Speaker 3: of the field like Oxen. But I had a friend
Speaker 3: send me this TikTok and I put it in the book.
Speaker 3: But this is on the roof of the Cistine Chapel,
Speaker 3: and it's so small you had to zoom it in.
Speaker 3: I zoomed it up. But there's a cave on the
Speaker 3: Sistine Chapel and it's right there. But I zoomed it up.
Speaker 3: But right there is a hairy looking thing. It looks
Speaker 3: like a sasquatch. And then ride in his face another
Speaker 3: hairy thing with a single horn in its head, right
Speaker 3: in the center. And I propose that that is east
Speaker 3: all in Kane, the two harry Men and the two
Speaker 3: serpent Seeds of the Bible.
Speaker 4: I got the picture I got when I went When
Speaker 4: I went there, I took pictures. I got to see
Speaker 4: if you're not supposed to do, I snapped a bunch
Speaker 4: of them. I gotta see if I got I gotta
Speaker 4: see if I got that on there never even noticed it.
Speaker 4: I took pictures of the ceiling.
Speaker 1: Yo.
Speaker 4: If I got a good picture and have it, I'll
Speaker 4: send it to you too. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the man.
Speaker 4: That's even another another weird tied to the oto somehow.
Speaker 4: Before he did that painting, the ceiling of this of
Speaker 4: that chapel was a black, dark blue sky with uh
Speaker 4: like pentagram stars like a star that had like hard
Speaker 4: to explain, but stars like that. That's the exact ceiling
Speaker 4: in the Oteo Logist, exact same ceiling as before. My
Speaker 4: age's weird with that. I don't know what some of.
Speaker 6: That you haven't paying homage to Michelangelo and Vatican stuff.
Speaker 1: Is that what's going on?
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, no, I think Michael Egel painted
Speaker 4: over the original. I'm talking about using the original. Yeah, yeah, well,
Speaker 4: I'm just wondering if there was more. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean again, like that it's a Gnostic church, so
Speaker 4: I mean it's in the sense it is kind of
Speaker 4: pulling from Catholicism sense.
Speaker 1: Sure, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I just find that. Yeah, I like mentioning
Speaker 4: that when I get reminded, Well.
Speaker 5: I thought there was something really interesting Nick that you said,
Speaker 5: but also I wanted to say the same that Justin said.
Speaker 5: What's that about Syria? So we know that the Gin
Speaker 5: kind of not my name, but the Gin of Islamic mysticism,
Speaker 5: that is a region that Syria Israel border, that and
Speaker 5: Sert Syria Turkey border as well, that that whole region
Speaker 5: has long been a hotbed of like Gin mysticism or
Speaker 5: like these more Antinomian kind of like maybe you could
Speaker 5: say they're folk cults, but maybe they're more Islamic, or maybe.
Speaker 2: They're more Christian, or maybe they're more Jewish. There's a
Speaker 2: bunch of different ones. They're a mixture.
Speaker 5: It's like every little village is at one time.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: But then also about the ceiling, like that makes a
Speaker 5: lot of sense because if you think about like the
Speaker 5: the original churches in that region, like the Syrian region,
Speaker 5: they're all domed churches, right, so every church would imply
Speaker 5: like when you're looking up that it would be a
Speaker 5: lapis because that's the motif, is that dark blue stone,
Speaker 5: So it's the lapis. To tie it back to Ezekiel
Speaker 5: twenty eight thirteen, so the lapis is the same as turquoise.
Speaker 5: That's why you often see turquoise on the outside of
Speaker 5: mosques or the outside of those medieval churches that region,
Speaker 5: because it's the implication that day and night are actually
Speaker 5: the same thing. It's both clear, but it's just how
Speaker 5: we perceive it. So at night, like in a Gnostic mass,
Speaker 5: you're receiving the nighttime initiation. That's how I would interpret it.
Speaker 5: I don't know if that's a Gnostic way, but that's all
Speaker 5: I would say, Thank you sir.
Speaker 1: It sounds interesting, all right.
Speaker 4: Uh, I think we can wrap it up here. Honestly,
Speaker 4: if you guys are okay with this, unless you got
Speaker 4: anything else.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Again, like I said, like I don't want to pull
Speaker 4: too much out of the book as well, because you
Speaker 4: want people to check it out.
Speaker 3: Well, there's fifteen chapters. Man, we just scratching surface, and.
Speaker 4: There's anything else you want to bring up, you can.
Speaker 4: But you know, I think we're good.
Speaker 3: That's good man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you gave me a lot of things to
Speaker 4: think about. Actually, to be totally honest with.
Speaker 3: You, there's so much you guys have too, so much
Speaker 3: simpler it is to be a lot of stuff I've
Speaker 3: not thought about.
Speaker 4: I was just popping up in my head with occultism
Speaker 4: and the OTO, and I was just like, what the
Speaker 4: it's weird, you know. Thank you though, thank you, Like again,
Speaker 4: you really got me. You got my wheels going before
Speaker 4: we yeah, before we wrap it up, I'll let uh
Speaker 4: let these guys plug themselves before we get to you.
Speaker 4: Doc JJ Remind everybody again where they can find your
Speaker 4: amazing podcast.
Speaker 6: JJ Vance, host of Operation GCD. Operation GCD Live every
Speaker 6: Wednesday night, seven pm Eastern Times, YouTube Rumble Twisters and
Speaker 6: Fridays host along with Nick of The Oicle Rejects, and
Speaker 6: they Conspiracy Culture Roundtable there at nine pm Eastern times
Speaker 6: on the same platforms I cut out in my back
Speaker 6: Oh you're good, okay, and then anywhere anywhere podcasts are found.
Speaker 6: Once again, JJ Vance not the vice president, do not
Speaker 6: vote for me in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Eight, host of Operation GCD.
Speaker 6: But great conversation there, Doc, I enjoyed, enjoyed your views
Speaker 6: of some of this ancient history and uh specifically my
Speaker 6: my favorite entry the my mouth. So yeah, I definitely
Speaker 6: enjoyed the conversation once again. So appreciate your time. Nick,
Speaker 6: Jen always great times. Appreciate appreciate the invite there. Nick
Speaker 6: and Jen always great to link up with you and
Speaker 6: some high weirdest conversations.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, thank you man. I was appreciate you joining us,
Speaker 4: and you know, tell you the truth, we might be
Speaker 4: better off with you for the next president, so I
Speaker 4: might write your name and on about it. And Jim
Speaker 4: the Ninja, thank you so much, my man for joining us.
Speaker 4: Please let everybody know where they can find your amazing
Speaker 4: show as well.
Speaker 5: Sure, thank you so much, Nick, JJ of course and
Speaker 5: Doc Brown justin promess lines amazing to work with you
Speaker 5: and to hear your narrative.
Speaker 2: I think it's a it's.
Speaker 5: A very interesting and I love the history just in general,
Speaker 5: so thank you so much. I actually learned tons because
Speaker 5: I don't really know the BUBLICOL history though.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, But and I will be on JJ's show and
Speaker 5: in a couple of weeks doing another Asian American OL
Speaker 5: movie review. Obviously Nick will also be there, so I'm
Speaker 5: really looking forward to it. Yeah, it would be really fun.
Speaker 5: So it doesn't happen without your elder brothers and podcasting.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, I know, you know what, I selfishly invited
Speaker 4: myself when I heard the movie, I was like fuck.
Speaker 1: Oh I was.
Speaker 6: I mean, that's why I brought up to you fellas,
Speaker 6: because I was like, I was gonna, you know, obviously
Speaker 6: invite you.
Speaker 1: All to come and do the review with me.
Speaker 6: Obviously you got the you guys got the ocult expertise,
Speaker 6: especially with the Eastern mysticism there, and you know, I
Speaker 6: just big just like to watch Eddie Murphy play Axle
Speaker 6: Folly and a you know, a murder mysteries fighting a
Speaker 6: Satanic cult, you know. And I see a lot of
Speaker 6: esoteric stuff there in the Golden Child, but I don't
Speaker 6: know any of the occult business like you fellas do.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, oh wait, Jid, you did do a Big
Speaker 4: Trouble in Little China, though, didn't you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're doing a rehashit of the you know, the
Speaker 6: same basically the same era of films. Right, this movie
Speaker 6: came out opposite Big Trouble Little China. It was a
Speaker 6: competing studio project to that film.
Speaker 5: Actually, yeah, that was one of my I would say
Speaker 5: a golden episode for me simply because a lot of
Speaker 5: my cool millennial literary friends who don't usually think I'm cool,
Speaker 5: they all watch that. So then they were like, oh, okay,
Speaker 5: Jin's kind of cool, we can fuck with him, we
Speaker 5: can go on a show. So yeah, I really I
Speaker 5: really appreciate opportunity for that, and thank you guys so much.
Speaker 2: Again really fun.
Speaker 4: Of course, no, thank you sir. And finally, doc, I
Speaker 4: really appreciate you bringing your story to us, like again,
Speaker 4: I mean you got all of our wheels going here.
Speaker 4: That was really interesting and again for me, like Jenn
Speaker 4: even said, I met that you know, well versed with
Speaker 4: the history, and like the names and this just the
Speaker 4: storylines and the connections you made just really got me
Speaker 4: thinking about a lot of stuff I've come across before
Speaker 4: in the past. So thank you. Please let everybody know
Speaker 4: where they can find your amazing work and let them
Speaker 4: know how they can get ahold of that book if
Speaker 4: they want.
Speaker 2: Please.
Speaker 3: Yeah, first off, just thanks for having me, guys. I
Speaker 3: appreciate it. And yeah, I'm I'm being k story nerd
Speaker 3: man and Bible nerd. I like to go down the
Speaker 3: rabbit trails and I normally can't openly have these kind
Speaker 3: of conversations because I'm kind of in the middle. I'm
Speaker 3: a Christian, but I'm a French Christian, and a lot
Speaker 3: of the stuff that I like to look at and
Speaker 3: talk about, I'm sometimes labeled a heretic. And the torches
Speaker 3: get lit and the crosses get built, and I try
Speaker 3: to get drug to those hills and try to get
Speaker 3: burned at the stake at time. So I get to
Speaker 3: enjoy to openly and freely talk. Yeah, I didn't have
Speaker 3: to be to be talking and looking over my shoulders.
Speaker 3: But no, I appreciate it, guys.
Speaker 1: But yeah.
Speaker 3: Prometheus Lins Podcast, the websites of Prometheuslyns podcast dot com.
Speaker 3: I'm on YouTube, Spotify, Apple, anywhere you can seem content,
Speaker 3: all the social media's. I drop a couple of shows
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Speaker 3: You can get on ebook for ten book ten bucks,
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Speaker 4: Yes, I was actually gonna ask you to mention this.
Speaker 4: This is gonna drop probably in a week or almost
Speaker 4: exactly a week or six days from now. So yo,
Speaker 4: if you still got some of those, go check him out,
Speaker 4: go hit them up. He's got autograph books. They show
Speaker 4: you post that on Instagram today. Actually, so I was
Speaker 4: gonna ask, Yeah, yeah, no, of course. So yeah, if
Speaker 4: anybody's interested in autographed copied, if you still got some left,
Speaker 4: go hit him up, especially on Instagram for shore get
Speaker 4: in touch with them there, he answers me. So thank
Speaker 4: you again, dok, I really appreciate it, and all your
Speaker 4: links will be in the bottom. Definitely. I have to
Speaker 4: get you on. In the future, maybe we'll actually talk
Speaker 4: some Bibles off, uh, because you know, like my opinion,
Speaker 4: I don't try to shit on the book. I actually
Speaker 4: think there's value to it. I think some deep occulted
Speaker 4: you know, understandings are in there. So it's interesting to
Speaker 4: hear you tell it and me stuck thinking about the
Speaker 4: cult stuff. So that could be good, maybe interesting. Maybe
Speaker 4: we'll do that in the future or something.
Speaker 3: But yeah, thats good.
Speaker 4: Thank you again for real, I had a really good time,
Speaker 4: and thank you Jin and JJ. And that is the
Speaker 4: end of another Occult Rejects and until the next one,
Speaker 4: everybody be well later.