WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:05.040 You see, something's going to happen. 2 00:00:09.759 --> 00:00:10.599 What's going to happen? 3 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:17.120 What a. 4 00:00:24.600 --> 00:00:29.320 Welcome to the Occult Rejects. This episode we kind of 5 00:00:29.320 --> 00:00:32.000 have a returning guest. He was on Fridays with me 6 00:00:32.039 --> 00:00:33.759 and JJ and we had a great time and I 7 00:00:33.840 --> 00:00:36.119 wanted to get him back on the show again. But 8 00:00:36.240 --> 00:00:39.719 before we get to Doc Brown Prometheus Lend's podcast, why 9 00:00:39.799 --> 00:00:42.640 introduce the other rejects joining me today? We got Jin 10 00:00:42.920 --> 00:00:46.560 the motherfucking Ninja. What's up? Jin? How are you hey? 11 00:00:46.560 --> 00:00:47.320 Boss? What's up? 12 00:00:47.759 --> 00:00:49.960 Thank you so much for having me on. And thank 13 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:54.359 you to Doc Brown justin well you know, uh as 14 00:00:54.399 --> 00:00:57.119 a guest. And thank you JJ, my Pollo reject. So 15 00:00:57.920 --> 00:01:00.240 I'm looking forward to it. This wouldn't happen so it 16 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:03.079 wasn't for you guys, so appreciate it of course. 17 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:05.599 No, and thank you for joining us man and JJ 18 00:01:05.840 --> 00:01:08.640 Vance not the Vice President. What is going on? Buddy? 19 00:01:09.959 --> 00:01:10.159 Nick? 20 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:12.359 Greeting sir, always great to join you here for another 21 00:01:12.359 --> 00:01:14.359 Occult Rejects show here and. 22 00:01:14.840 --> 00:01:16.159 Jen, same to you as well, sir. 23 00:01:16.200 --> 00:01:19.760 Always appreciate your insight into these matters we discuss here 24 00:01:19.799 --> 00:01:23.560 on the Occult Rejects. JJ Vance not the Vice President 25 00:01:24.280 --> 00:01:29.120 Host of Operations GCD resident true crime expert ever here at. 26 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:31.359 The Occult Rejects Justin. 27 00:01:31.439 --> 00:01:33.560 I definitely enjoyed meeting you last time on the Friday, 28 00:01:33.599 --> 00:01:35.359 so looking forward to hear more about your book today 29 00:01:35.359 --> 00:01:36.560 and getting into these discussions. 30 00:01:36.560 --> 00:01:38.560 So great to say you, Bud. 31 00:01:39.480 --> 00:01:41.680 Hell yeah, thank you very much for joining us again, 32 00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:44.200 JJ and last but night at least the man of 33 00:01:44.200 --> 00:01:46.359 the hour, hour and a half or how long long 34 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:51.159 this stays. Doc Brown from Prometheus Lens, Sir, please let 35 00:01:51.159 --> 00:01:53.480 everybody know what your deal is and where they can 36 00:01:53.480 --> 00:01:54.599 find all your amazing work. 37 00:01:56.200 --> 00:01:58.319 Hey, guys, thank you for having me back yet. First 38 00:01:58.319 --> 00:02:01.040 discussion we had. It was awesome. I loved hanging out 39 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:03.239 with you guys. And as we was talking a little 40 00:02:03.239 --> 00:02:05.920 bit pre roll, we met through a mutual friend, Heidi, 41 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:08.800 So shout out to Heidi Love. Thank you so much. 42 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:12.280 That's the sister from the mother that I never met, 43 00:02:12.319 --> 00:02:16.360 but I'm thankful that she gave birth to us. We've 44 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:20.039 done a lot of collaborations together and we've introduced each 45 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:22.280 other to a lot of friends and stuff, so it's 46 00:02:22.319 --> 00:02:26.919 been a beautiful friendship. I'm definitely thankful for her. But yeah, 47 00:02:27.039 --> 00:02:30.240 my name is Doc Brown. From the Prometheus Lens podcast 48 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:36.159 all things conspiracy, fringe, ancient history, last civilizations, all those 49 00:02:36.240 --> 00:02:40.840 cool fringy topics, Nephilim, giants, fallen angels, all those type things. 50 00:02:40.840 --> 00:02:43.879 But I try to filter them through a biblical lens. 51 00:02:44.400 --> 00:02:48.719 I just released a book called The Yeah Prometheus Wins. 52 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:54.080 I had a mystic mark from my family thinks I'm crazy. 53 00:02:54.560 --> 00:02:56.400 I was on his show one time. He was like, 54 00:02:57.000 --> 00:02:59.080 you know, you filtered through a biblical lens, but you 55 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:01.280 got a name like re Meetheus Lins. Why not like 56 00:03:01.560 --> 00:03:04.800 Zekiel's Lins. I'm like, I've always been guilty of being 57 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:05.840 a little esoteric. 58 00:03:08.560 --> 00:03:09.199 I gotta keep it. 59 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:13.199 Yeah, but I just released my first book called The 60 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:15.879 Epic of e Saw, the Birthright and Seed War. But 61 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:18.759 anywhere you can consume content, you can find my stuff. 62 00:03:18.879 --> 00:03:23.159 Apple podcasts, U Spotify, YouTube, any any of those fine 63 00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:24.560 establishments you can find me. 64 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:28.240 Oh yeah, thank you very much, And of course your 65 00:03:28.319 --> 00:03:31.479 links will be in the bottom of the show notes. So, yeah, 66 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:33.960 the book, that's what we wanted to get you on 67 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:38.919 for today. I guess, however, I understand you want to 68 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:40.560 sell the book, so you can't, you know, tell us 69 00:03:40.599 --> 00:03:42.960 the whole thing. But I guess, uh, as much as 70 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:44.960 you'd like to get into, I guess it's all wherever 71 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:46.840 you like. First off, actually, I would like to start 72 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:48.560 off with what made you even write it, sir? 73 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:54.439 Yeah, honestly, we kind of talked about it jokingly last time. 74 00:03:56.360 --> 00:04:00.439 I was just a Helien for lack of a better term. 75 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:05.080 For ninety percent of my life, I was the embodiment 76 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:07.240 of the prodigal son. Any of the people that I 77 00:04:07.240 --> 00:04:10.759 grew up with. If you uh lost if I lost 78 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:14.080 contact with them, and you told them now that, yeah, 79 00:04:14.360 --> 00:04:17.839 Justin is doing a podcast and he's reading all kinds 80 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:21.000 of books and given discussions and lectures at conferences and 81 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:23.319 writing books and stuff, and like, now you talking about 82 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:27.279 the same dude that that Justin's in prison are probably dead. 83 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:28.920 Right. 84 00:04:29.439 --> 00:04:31.399 So yeah, writ in a book was definitely not something 85 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:34.279 that I ever thought that I would do, But just 86 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:36.560 it started as a caddy joke. 87 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:36.879 Man. 88 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:39.800 It was just I had Tray Smith from God a 89 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:43.240 Nutshell on one of my shows, and he was honestly 90 00:04:43.240 --> 00:04:45.560 one of those guys that you know, quote unquote red 91 00:04:45.639 --> 00:04:49.279 peeled me, and so it was really cool having him 92 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:52.279 on the show and just actually talking with him, and 93 00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:54.480 he made a comment. He was like, yeah, you guys 94 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:58.240 are from East Tennessee, that that's a bigfoot country. Next 95 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:00.360 time that I'm out that way, maybe i'll I'll give 96 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:03.199 you guys a shout and we'll go bigfoot hunting and 97 00:05:03.199 --> 00:05:07.439 we'll film it this little documentary. And just out of nowhere, 98 00:05:07.639 --> 00:05:11.680 Genesis twenty five twenty five popped into my head. And 99 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:15.040 that's a story that I'd read many, many times, and 100 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:17.639 I don't know, it just hit me differently that day 101 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:20.920 and I said, well, Tray, I said, what about Esau 102 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:25.680 Genesis twenty five twenty five? Do you think Esau was 103 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:30.839 maybe one of the first bigfoot documented? And he kind 104 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:34.720 of chuckled, you know, for those that's not familiar, Genesis 105 00:05:34.800 --> 00:05:38.319 twenty five twenty five says, the first one came out red, 106 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:42.639 covered in hair from head to toe, like a Harry Cloak, 107 00:05:44.959 --> 00:05:47.360 and he kind of chuckled. He's like, I don't know, 108 00:05:47.800 --> 00:05:51.000 you might be onto something there. Justin he was definitely 109 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:54.839 a Harry do that's for sure. And he just kind 110 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:57.360 of chuckled and we laughed it off, and that's kind 111 00:05:57.360 --> 00:06:02.399 of all it was, honestly. But it's just, uh, you know, 112 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:05.759 the ancient Greeks called us the muse. Christians call it 113 00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:10.519 the Holy Spirit. Uh uh. Some people just cause it 114 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:12.680 the universe, you know, I mean, whatever you want to 115 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:15.519 call it. But all these string of events kept happening 116 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:20.079 and leading me down this path, uh, on this trail 117 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:23.680 of Esau. It was like a week later I had 118 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:27.160 Gary Wayne on the show and we were going through 119 00:06:27.199 --> 00:06:32.399 the epic of Gilgamesh and I knew the overall story, 120 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:35.879 but I hadn't actually read the thing in full. So 121 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:38.399 I was reading it and I bump into inky Do, 122 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:43.319 and here's this Harry guy covering Harerim head to toe. 123 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:46.560 Sounds a lot like Esau. So here's this other Sashquatch 124 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:50.000 sounding guy, and I'm like, dude, here's another one of 125 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:50.839 these Harry dudes. 126 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:52.680 Was inky Do, the guy who would like had to 127 00:06:52.759 --> 00:06:54.079 rollbout with them or something like that. 128 00:06:55.120 --> 00:06:59.759 Now, inky Do was Gilgamesh's equal in the story. He 129 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:02.800 was this wild man of the field that was created 130 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:06.360 as his equal. And they end up battling, but they 131 00:07:06.399 --> 00:07:08.319 become best friends and they go on this you know, 132 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:11.439 epic journey together and then they take out this monster 133 00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:17.639 of the field called hum Bahbah. And yeah, but it's 134 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:21.240 basically kind of like some people summarize it as a 135 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:24.800 man versus nature, you know, the yin and yang kind 136 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:29.519 of thing. But uh, and then it's maybe a week later, honestly, 137 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:33.720 maybe two, doing another show, and I mean, this guy 138 00:07:33.800 --> 00:07:37.680 is talking about the Book of Jashure, and in there 139 00:07:37.720 --> 00:07:43.079 we discover Nimrod and that Nimrod he was the Mighty Hunter, 140 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:49.639 and he builds up jealousy and envy against Esau, who 141 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:54.519 his claim to fame, was also the Mighty Hunter. And 142 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:59.160 it sounds like a mirrored image of the epic of Gilgamesh, 143 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:02.160 and that he goes out and hunts this hairy beast 144 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:05.759 of a man and they do battle. And so I 145 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:08.560 just kept bumping into these hairy men, into this guy 146 00:08:08.959 --> 00:08:11.959 Esaw over and over. So I was like, man, I 147 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:14.399 have to go digging a little bit, and so I did. 148 00:08:14.439 --> 00:08:17.439 I just started digging and going through all these extra 149 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:21.879 biblical books and ancient legends and lores. I discovered Lewis 150 00:08:21.879 --> 00:08:28.040 Ginsburg Legends of the Jews, and honestly, I found just 151 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:30.759 this guy's story that has just been busted up and 152 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:34.879 broken into pieces, scattered throughout all these ancient texts and scrolls, 153 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:39.879 and I pieced together a narrative, honestly, guys, that weaves 154 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:44.600 in and out perfectly and seamlessly and compliments the biblical 155 00:08:44.679 --> 00:08:47.559 narrative perfectly, and I think fills in all the gaps 156 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:51.200 of this really enigmatic character of the Bible that we 157 00:08:51.360 --> 00:08:55.679 call Esau. And I've done the artwork and everything, but 158 00:08:56.200 --> 00:08:58.840 on the front of it, it's just got this this 159 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:03.000 sasquatch looking walking away from the back with a bow 160 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:06.039 on his back because he's the mighty hunter. And then 161 00:09:06.159 --> 00:09:09.919 there's the table with the famous red bow of stew 162 00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:12.960 that he's walking away from where he trades his birth ride. 163 00:09:15.320 --> 00:09:19.559 That's not And you did the artwork yourself, you said, huh. 164 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:21.480 Yeah, I wrote it. I edited it, did the artwork. 165 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:23.200 It's on me. 166 00:09:23.960 --> 00:09:27.600 That's awesome, man. Good for you. Yeah, thank you, Jin 167 00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:31.679 and JJ. Only because I knew this stuff maybe back 168 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:33.919 in twenty ten when I first got into conspiracy theorists. 169 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:37.480 Actually this Sumerian and Gilgamesh and all that stuff was 170 00:09:37.519 --> 00:09:39.759 like very very big for me. And then, honestly, I'm 171 00:09:39.799 --> 00:09:41.799 just gonna keep it real. I don't remember that stuff 172 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:44.240 that much, but I was just wondering, did you guys, 173 00:09:44.279 --> 00:09:47.960 like remember the Gilgamesh stuff, And I just remember from 174 00:09:47.960 --> 00:09:49.919 looking at those stories in the past, there was a 175 00:09:49.919 --> 00:09:51.919 lot of them that I was like, these are quite obvious, 176 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:53.080 like redone in the Bible. 177 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:57.120 In my opinion, I think I think zach Aricetitching and 178 00:09:57.159 --> 00:10:00.200 the Sumerian stuff is like junior High of conspiracy. 179 00:09:59.679 --> 00:10:02.759 Gulture, right stuff, you know what I mean. 180 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:05.840 You start looking into the law civilizations and you get 181 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:10.279 into all that zach Christ Rockefeller financed Zacharist Stitch in research. 182 00:10:10.879 --> 00:10:13.480 You know, his office is next door to Jordan Max. 183 00:10:13.519 --> 00:10:16.200 All these characters I find are often pushing the kind 184 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:19.960 of the same narratives, right, I was Witness headquarters employee 185 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:24.399 Jordan Maxwell, you know what I mean. So these are 186 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:25.720 the guys I think that a lot of pushed a 187 00:10:25.759 --> 00:10:27.759 lot of these ancient Sumerian tails. But there are some 188 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:30.759 interest that you know, even even in their false uh 189 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:33.399 kind of you know, limited hangout narratives, like there is 190 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:35.320 some interesting aspects you can pick up from the work. 191 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:39.320 But you know, the these ideas of Uh Sumeria where 192 00:10:40.600 --> 00:10:43.320 I believe Abraham comes from, right even in the Biblical 193 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:45.919 Lenia is right if I'm on their duck, But Abraham, 194 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:48.919 who's you know, the Abrahamic religions, right, he comes from 195 00:10:49.159 --> 00:10:52.639 from uh Er in the ancient Sumer civilization. 196 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:56.039 Yeah, from the atlant of Iran. 197 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:00.600 You r o and just like the are in there 198 00:11:00.679 --> 00:11:02.320 still that'd be interesting. 199 00:11:03.200 --> 00:11:03.440 Yeah. 200 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:05.039 Yeah. 201 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:06.879 So that's the one thing that always interested me was 202 00:11:06.919 --> 00:11:10.000 the fact that there are these historical you know, examples 203 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:13.879 of artifacts and languages and whatnot from this era. Libraries 204 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:16.480 of things have been found over in modern day Iraq, 205 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:21.279 like the Babylonian stuff. Yeah, okay that because that came 206 00:11:21.320 --> 00:11:23.639 right after Sumer, right with Soumer than Babylon. Ray is 207 00:11:23.639 --> 00:11:28.360 that that the sequence of historical civilizations? So yeah, then 208 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:30.840 we see we see the same stuff within the Bible, right, 209 00:11:30.879 --> 00:11:33.399 we see these characters as described in the Bible that 210 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:36.080 are the same characters described in the historical tale. We 211 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:39.039 just call them different names oftentimes, but Abraham being the 212 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:40.679 bridging gap between those, it seems. 213 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:43.519 Yeah. And a lot of the stories and stuff when 214 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:45.840 you go to the extra Biblical book state they intertwine. 215 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:48.480 So like when you go with the Book of Jasher 216 00:11:49.399 --> 00:11:55.320 Uh it has a Nimrod being the king over the 217 00:11:55.399 --> 00:12:00.519 land of Iran. That Tara, which was Abraham's father, was 218 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:04.639 the head Idol micro four and it was Nimrod that 219 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:08.399 threw them in the fire, and that when God called 220 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:11.039 out Abraham, that was the he was the king over 221 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:15.039 the land that they went out from. So there's lots 222 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:19.879 of inner waving and stuff, and the narratives of those 223 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:21.000 stories and stuff. 224 00:12:23.639 --> 00:12:23.840 Jin. 225 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:28.759 Yes, So for me, I definitely always have been a 226 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:32.600 Central Asianist because this just makes sense to obviously my 227 00:12:32.679 --> 00:12:35.120 religious background and my cultural background. 228 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:37.360 I've always been interested in Central Asia. 229 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:39.600 I've always been interested in like Buddhist studies and like 230 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:42.720 what that means, and like because they narrate it as 231 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:47.519 like how Christians narrate their story being near East we 232 00:12:47.879 --> 00:12:50.720 like they would the Central Asian religions narrate their story 233 00:12:50.720 --> 00:12:54.840 as being central sort of central pillar, but also central 234 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:57.799 to the world island, which would be like in Iraq 235 00:12:57.919 --> 00:13:01.080 or a Kazakhstan or any of those is one of 236 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:04.279 those nebulous Central Asian countries. So for me, I'm not 237 00:13:04.360 --> 00:13:06.679 that I'm like you, Nick, like I'm not that familiar 238 00:13:06.759 --> 00:13:10.919 with that canon. But from my listening to Robbie on 239 00:13:10.960 --> 00:13:14.039 this show discuss the you know, the Tower of Nimrod 240 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:16.639 and all of that work, and I'm I'm friendly with 241 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:19.799 another independent researcher named Patrick Wase who's been on my show, 242 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:23.200 and he is also interested in the same kind of 243 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:29.720 narrative of the biblical genealogies and like who became what people? 244 00:13:30.200 --> 00:13:33.360 So I think that it's a running theme through the 245 00:13:33.399 --> 00:13:35.759 way I think about the world. But I'm not necessarily 246 00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:39.080 versed in the information that Doc Brown is. 247 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:44.440 Yes, neither a mine. Thank you, Doc. One thing I 248 00:13:44.440 --> 00:13:47.000 did want to ask you Maybe I don't know. If 249 00:13:47.039 --> 00:13:50.799 JJ Jin would know, you would probably know better. And 250 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:53.159 I'm not trying to get off of what you're talking about. 251 00:13:53.159 --> 00:13:55.360 It's just something that popped into my head. Isn't there 252 00:13:56.440 --> 00:13:59.519 is it Moses and somebody else? I might have been like, 253 00:13:59.559 --> 00:14:01.639 aren't they both kind of born with like a lot 254 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:04.559 of hair? Or maybe Moses had the glowing eyes or something. 255 00:14:04.600 --> 00:14:06.919 Wasn't there something weird about both the way they came out, 256 00:14:08.519 --> 00:14:10.000 or wasn't there like somebody else that might have been 257 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:12.240 associated with having like hair too. I could be wrong, 258 00:14:12.519 --> 00:14:13.639 which is why I'm asking. 259 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:16.759 Well, there are some other wild men or harry men 260 00:14:17.559 --> 00:14:20.879 in the biblical text. But I think what you're talking 261 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:24.000 about is in the Book of Enoch, it mentions that 262 00:14:25.039 --> 00:14:29.039 when Noah was born, that he had like a glowing 263 00:14:29.279 --> 00:14:34.240 aura about him, and that they were asking basically, his 264 00:14:34.279 --> 00:14:37.799 father wanted to know, he seeked his grandfather and Metthusda 265 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:42.440 wanted to know if he was of the angels, wanted to, 266 00:14:42.559 --> 00:14:44.440 you know, make sure his wife would and falling around 267 00:14:44.440 --> 00:14:46.120 with the angels because he was so different. 268 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:51.240 Yeah, I'll jump in. 269 00:14:51.200 --> 00:14:54.519 Really quick for this is that there is an interpretation 270 00:14:54.639 --> 00:14:57.799 of this story that he was in fact born on call, 271 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:02.200 so like with the veil his face, the placental veil 272 00:15:02.559 --> 00:15:05.679 and then that because that still means something in like 273 00:15:05.879 --> 00:15:08.039 esoteric Judaism, esoteric circles. 274 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:10.720 Now, so I just I think that that's kind of interesting. 275 00:15:10.759 --> 00:15:13.080 It's like, yes, you can say he was glowing and 276 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:15.919 like you would be the baby would be illuminant in 277 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:16.440 a way. 278 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:19.360 If he's coming out with like a kind. 279 00:15:19.240 --> 00:15:24.360 Of reddish, flushy veil over his face, I mean, you know, 280 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:25.320 maybe it's a metaphor. 281 00:15:25.960 --> 00:15:26.120 You know. 282 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:29.200 What's interesting is there has been an occultist that we 283 00:15:29.240 --> 00:15:32.000 felt not to get with the topic really, but they 284 00:15:32.039 --> 00:15:36.320 have even showed like a hosts supposing to like occultists 285 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:39.120 have mentioned hosts supposing to be the placenta at times, 286 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:43.080 believe it or not, I've come across that which is interesting, 287 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:45.559 like it like it had the cakes a light technically, 288 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:47.000 but something like that, you know what I'm saying, when 289 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:48.480 they make their own and it's not like the same 290 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:51.399 host from a Catholic church. But I have heard that 291 00:15:51.399 --> 00:15:54.159 that it could represent the placenta. So I'm bringing that 292 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:56.440 up because obviously if that's the case, it must be 293 00:15:56.519 --> 00:15:58.679 used in ocult terms for something. And I don't even 294 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:00.840 think they're technically meaning the real placent that. I think 295 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:04.320 they're seeing something else there. Just wandered to throw that in. Thanks, 296 00:16:05.279 --> 00:16:05.919 I go ahead that. 297 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:10.279 But but one of the things that just kind of 298 00:16:10.279 --> 00:16:14.279 got me started was just was just reading it and 299 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:17.480 just letting the text say what it says, because me, 300 00:16:17.720 --> 00:16:19.480 one of the things that kind of got me in 301 00:16:19.639 --> 00:16:22.799 the you know, the quote unquote conspiracy realm or the 302 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:29.159 fringy side of the Bible was just how the supernatural 303 00:16:29.480 --> 00:16:32.480 was just whitewashed out of the text and trying to 304 00:16:32.559 --> 00:16:38.399 restore the supernatural worldview and the the the original lens 305 00:16:38.600 --> 00:16:41.759 of the people of that time, because with our modern viewpoint, 306 00:16:41.879 --> 00:16:44.679 you know, we just we have totally just whitewashed this text, 307 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:49.240 and we've lost the original interpretation of it. And to 308 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:52.759 get the you know, the original contents, you know, and 309 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:55.559 context and meaning of this text, we have to restore 310 00:16:55.600 --> 00:17:00.039 that vision and get that mindset back. Uh So, I 311 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:01.759 just try to read the text and let it say 312 00:17:01.799 --> 00:17:04.440 what it says. And when I read that, you know, 313 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:07.400 it's he come out red covered in hair from head 314 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:09.400 to toe like a Harry Cloak. So he come out 315 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:12.359 with red hair all over his body like a Harry 316 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:16.240 Cloak's what it says. So my first thought was, is, 317 00:17:16.519 --> 00:17:19.519 I mean, this is a little sasquatch man, you know. 318 00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:22.559 And if we took that in our modern vernacular, if 319 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:26.319 we've seen someone covered in red hair from head to 320 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:29.480 toe out in the woods without hesitation, I mean we 321 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:32.240 would say we've seen a sasquatch, We've seen a bigfoot 322 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:38.960 or at least a ginger. Yeah, no offense. And and 323 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:45.720 so and another thing about Esau that's kind of he's 324 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:47.799 known for and he's famous for, is that the trading 325 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:52.559 of his birthright. And that's another thing that when I 326 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:54.880 was a kid grown up in church that just never 327 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:57.200 sat right with me or never made sense to me. 328 00:17:58.759 --> 00:18:02.200 And in that story, you know, you get the birth 329 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:05.039 of Esau, and then it just kind of fasts forwards 330 00:18:05.039 --> 00:18:08.759 to when he's an adult and you hear that he's 331 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:11.839 this mighty hunter of the field. And then in Genesis 332 00:18:11.839 --> 00:18:13.839 it just says one day he comes in from the 333 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:20.359 field exhausted and that his brother, Jacob, the younger brother, 334 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:25.720 is preparing some red lentinal stew, and that he asks 335 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:29.480 his brother from for some of this red stew, and 336 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:31.720 his brother says, yeah, you can have some of this 337 00:18:31.839 --> 00:18:36.599 red stew, but trade me your birthright. And in the 338 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:40.359 context of this that the eldest son gets the birth right, 339 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:43.160 it gets the inheritance. You're the one that's going to 340 00:18:43.160 --> 00:18:46.200 inherit the keys of the kingdom, you know, the money, 341 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:51.279 all the land, the titles, everything is going to be yours. 342 00:18:53.039 --> 00:18:56.119 So like in modern context, it's like your father's Donald Trump. 343 00:18:56.839 --> 00:18:59.119 You know, the the all the real estate, the millions 344 00:18:59.119 --> 00:19:02.200 of dollars, the business, everything is going to be yours. 345 00:19:03.519 --> 00:19:06.960 And so Esau just says, AI, sure, what use is 346 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:13.480 a birthright to me when I'm dead? Take it? Yeah, 347 00:19:13.559 --> 00:19:18.240 And so Jacob just says, no, promise me, no, no, 348 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:21.240 promise me that you will do this thing. And he 349 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:24.440 says yes, I promise, and he eats the red stew 350 00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:29.440 and he walks away, and I'm like, that makes absolutely 351 00:19:29.559 --> 00:19:34.680 no sense, what you know whatsoever. And pastors would just say, oh, well, 352 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:37.720 he was a very carnal man. He was ruled by 353 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:41.480 his stomach. He just thought about you know the now 354 00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:45.079 you know, uh, he was ruled by his fleshly desires 355 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:48.079 in his stomach, and he cared nothing for his birthright. 356 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:50.400 That's that's what that story was trying to convey there. 357 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:55.119 And once I started reading some of these extra biblical texts, 358 00:19:56.720 --> 00:20:00.279 it tied it just a lot of loose ends. And 359 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:03.119 I had mentioned it earlier, but the Book of Jasher 360 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:07.160 was one of those. And when I was reading through there, 361 00:20:08.759 --> 00:20:13.160 I get introduced to Nimrod, and immediately that was eye 362 00:20:13.279 --> 00:20:17.000 catching for me. And it says that, you know, Nimrod 363 00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:22.119 was this mighty hunter and Esau was also known as 364 00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:25.480 the mighty Hunter. So it's kind of like the Highlander, 365 00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:28.039 you know, you know, there can only be one baby, 366 00:20:29.319 --> 00:20:32.480 and so these two mighty hunters had to clash to 367 00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:34.640 see who the real mighty hunter was. And it said 368 00:20:34.640 --> 00:20:38.680 in the Book of Jasher that jealousy and hatred and 369 00:20:38.880 --> 00:20:41.200 envy had built up in the heart of Nimrod all 370 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:46.480 of his days against Esau, and that him and two 371 00:20:46.559 --> 00:20:51.839 of his gible rim, which in Hebrew means mighty, and 372 00:20:51.880 --> 00:20:55.960 that's the same word used in Genesis six and throughout 373 00:20:56.000 --> 00:21:00.680 the Old Testament to describe the Nephelum giants. Goes out 374 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:06.480 to hunt this hirey quote unquote man, and they go 375 00:21:06.519 --> 00:21:08.000 out and they go try to hunt this man. But 376 00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:11.000 it says to Esau is out in the wilderness and 377 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:15.039 that he sees them, and he hides himself, and it 378 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:19.400 says that Esau springs basically a trap, and that he 379 00:21:19.519 --> 00:21:22.880 jumps out and takes his sword, and he cuts off 380 00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:27.839 Nimrod's head, and then he battles the other two gibel 381 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:32.359 reim to the death and kills them. Well, there's another 382 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:35.559 hunting party that they separated themselves from. But this hunting 383 00:21:35.599 --> 00:21:40.000 party hears all the commotion and comes running. But it 384 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:43.759 says before Esau leaves, it says that he takes the 385 00:21:43.839 --> 00:21:49.079 time to remove Nimrod's garments, and it gives this little 386 00:21:49.480 --> 00:21:52.640 cliff note, and it says that he removes the garments 387 00:21:52.680 --> 00:21:57.759 to which Nimrod was able to prevail over all the 388 00:21:57.839 --> 00:22:02.440 nations and the lands, and then it says that Esau 389 00:22:02.720 --> 00:22:05.920 takes the garments and runs back to his house and 390 00:22:05.960 --> 00:22:09.680 he hides the garments and then goes into his brother 391 00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:15.400 Jacob's tent. And then there's where it picks up where 392 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:18.480 the Book of Genesis starts. And I mean it dove 393 00:22:18.519 --> 00:22:23.000 taells perfectly into the Book of Genesis, and so yeah, 394 00:22:23.079 --> 00:22:26.319 I mean, he come in from the field exhausted. All right, 395 00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:33.400 He just killed the king Nimrod and battled to giants. 396 00:22:34.359 --> 00:22:39.400 He probably sustained some life threatening injuries and probably answers 397 00:22:39.440 --> 00:22:42.279 the question, you know, to why he made that comment 398 00:22:42.359 --> 00:22:44.920 that he made. What use is a birthright to me 399 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:48.279 when I'm dead? Take it? He was probably bleeding out, 400 00:22:50.799 --> 00:22:53.680 and so this was like a desperation trade. He was probably, 401 00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:57.079