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Speaker 1: What is up, fellow sikos. I am Dan Favalley coming

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at you with Mort Jensen of the NBA Podcast and

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also of Yahoo Sports, and also of Forbes, and also

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of Sports Illustrated and also of First Team All. He

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put a shirt on for this podcast, even though I

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asked him to continue d layering when he showed up

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in a tank top. So we're all very upset with more.

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But as promised, this is we're moving on. We already

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did the most confusing teams for us the NBA this season.

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Trade season is almost upon us. More. December fifteenth is

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the official unofficial start of NBA trade season because a

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whole bunch of contracts that were signed over the off

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season will be eligible.

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Speaker 2: To be moved.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk about a bunch of teams that

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are going to define the trade deadline. We think basically

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we will begin with the East, then we will move

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over until the West. This will be going up on

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both feeds. It might be two episode on the NBA

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podcast feed, but you won't even hear this part, probably

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if he's putting it up like that. But it's gonna

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be fun. A lot of teams to get to. But

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first and foremost more one, how are you doing? And two?

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Do you actually view the unofficial, the officially unofficial start

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of trade season as a date that matters?

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Speaker 2: Uh? First and foremost, I'm doing pretty well. I'm layered.

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At the very least. I consider that a win for you,

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so you don't have to burn your eyeballs afterwards on

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YouTube what they came for, right, See, that's the thing

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being on YouTube, because I will tell you this. I

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don't think I've ever told Brian this necessarily, but there

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was a summer day a couple of years ago where

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it was just it was so hot and we did

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not have cams on, where I just decided screw it,

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and I recorded a two hour podcast buck Ass Naked.

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I did absolutely, Yes, I did absolutely. There was look

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it was it was a heat wave in Copenhagen. I'm

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a I'm a big guy, as you know you've met me.

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I look so so I'm I'm hot at every given

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point of the year because I'm so big and so large,

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but when with a heat wave, it gets unbearable. So

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I just I didn't tell them. I just decided to Look,

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there are no cams on, so I'm just gonna strip

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my ass down and I sat there buck Ass Naggiet

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talking about whatever free agency news we had at that

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point in time.

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Speaker 1: That's incredible. So you need to start the NBA podcast

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only fans, so that's the type of content that the

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people can expect behind the paywall.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, that's smart. Actually, that's more of us should

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do that, just to basically branch out and only fans

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for basketball. I love it. So answer your question though

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you asked me a question that I forgot to answer.

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I do not view the December fifteen s a you

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know date, it's a date. It's not a date.

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Speaker 1: We always seem to get. It matters just because what

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makes building trades easier when that's part of your job.

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But two, it does seem like when the rumors start

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to ramp up, and that's content for all of us.

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And then also, would you say it seems like we

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get one at least one early trade per year. I

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think last year we had two, like didn't Og and

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Siakam both yet moved, And of course I don't count

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the hardened thing like that was a trade demand from

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the offseason that leaked into the regular season. But it

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feels like one time per year at least we do

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get some sort of an early trade, but I don't.

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I think Bobby Marx has said this. It very rarely

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is on December fifteenth on the button because that would

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be wild if December fifteenth a Sunday this year. So

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it's like it just happens at midnight, and it's like

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these teams have been sitting on it waiting for it,

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but we never get that.

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Speaker 2: I would love that though. That'd be fantastic because look,

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we need more transaction news because free agency has become

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such a dud, and even the trade define occasionally is

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a little bit off a snoozefest. I've been I've experienced

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this where on the Danish podcast that I do, where

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we've rented out, you know, an entire court and we've

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had we've had tables and we're doing like live streams.

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half a million Danish kroners, which is like somewhere around

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one hundred thousand dollars or whatever, like big major productions,

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and then we sit there for three hours and we

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talk and we analyze and we answer questions, and then

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we kind of look at each other at the two

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hour mark and we go, yeah, not a lot has happened,

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so we need something else. If we could make December

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fifteenth a date in all caps, I'd be all for it.

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I would love that. Just give me all the slop.

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Speaker 1: Not this year now when it falls on a Saturday night. Basically, Oh, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know what a Monday or Saturday or Sunday is

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a difference. Now, I'm not talking about time difference. I'm

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I'm talking about the fact that I'm doing this full time. Now,

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I don't have like I don't get up Monday morning

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and have to go to a job. I'm working like

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a Sunday might as well be a Tuesday for me.

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I don't care.

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Speaker 1: My point is is that if it happens at the

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stroke of midnight my time on a Saturday night, that's

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Dan takes an edible and winds down time. Dan works

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despite what people might think. I'd we worked pretty hard.

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So basically, yes, you do.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I would love to see Edible Dan a podcast

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that's I don't think we've had calls for that.

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Speaker 1: I've mentioned like what I'm like on Edibles, No one's

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asked me to record a podcast on an edible yet,

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So if people want that, there you go go behind

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that NBA pod only fans paywall.

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Speaker 2: We need to do that we and it needs to

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be trade analysis specifically where we go into like apron shit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like salary cap calculating exactly, Yes, yeah, I would

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love that. Did Dan just make up a number? So

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the approach to this, well begin with the East. We're

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gonna do eight teams per conference. We will alter eight picks.

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Is there any criteria you think needs to be laid out?

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you're just because we have we have a mix of

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what we think are gonna be sellers and buyers. We

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didn't skew this in that in that direction. I looked

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at it as personally just teams that will do something

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or most likely to do something between now and the

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trade deadline that could one make a major difference to

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the competitive landscape, but also two I think might then

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dictate what other teams are doing or what's available out there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you just answered your own question.

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Speaker 3: There.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be which teams drive the trade that line

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whacking more or less like or or who could drive

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that whacking. I don't care about teams that like for

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for this specific podcast, I don't care about the Celtics. Like, yeah,

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they they might make one trade in the margins where

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they ship out a second and some dude and get

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another dute in who's not going to see the floor,

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doesn't it's not going to move the needle. It's not

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gonna matter. We're gonna be talking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to get into the Celtics. But

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wouldn't it be so just fucking wild if they said, hey, here,

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Jaden Springer's making four million, we're gonna trade him in

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a first round pick, who's the best player that Like,

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we could get a million that salary range and it's

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like a good player on a rookie scale that they

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can then extend. But it would just be I don't

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expect them to do that. But like, right, I think

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we underestimate how Comfy has bought the Celtics financially. We

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can get into the Aprons at some point whatever, but

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they still they're so good, and they still just have

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all these assets that if they really wanted to do something,

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they could, But yes to your point. Sorry, Celtics fans,

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you're the eleven of ten no notes team. That's that's

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what happens.

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Speaker 2: Right exactly. There are just no notes team, and those

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teams are fine, Like the fans of those teams should

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be very happy to be no notes team. No, no fans.

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Speaker 1: This is I'll save it for the Western Conference pot

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a team that was excluded, another Eastern Conference team that'll

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be excluded. This will be less spoiler. I do think

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it'd be cool if the Cavs could bring back like

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Larry Nance Junior, if they can figure out a way

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to get to the money for Dorian Pheney Smith. That

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is also to this point, Max Struz is about to

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return and they're playing at like a seventy win page.

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This is not a team that needs to fuck with anyway.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you are spoiling a column that I've got coming

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up for Yahoo. You are spoiling it, sir, so because.

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Speaker 1: I know you said I was going to pick first,

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but you are the guest on this show. Well that's right, right,

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so you should pick first.

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Speaker 2: So if we're talking about a team that could really drive,

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like trade headline, it's got to be the bulls Now.

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The thing is though you and I agree they're more

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likely not to do anything because it's the Bulls. But

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we're looking at the contracts they have to shell out,

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if we're looking at the fact that they're also below

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the tax line by a significant number and can thus

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absorb more money, making easier for second Apron teams to

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get up deals. This team could absolutely own the twenty

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twenty five February sixth trade headline if they wanted to.

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In terms of Kobe White, Iodo Sumwa and I know,

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I realized some people are like, whoa hold on, Mark?

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or as a trade candidate? Hell, yes, I did. Because

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there's a forty one hundred and forty percent extension limit

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that goes into effect. Are we sure that Kobe White

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is like fully on board with the Chicago Bulls experience?

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I like maybe, but they would have to risk him

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going into unrestricted free agency to even retain him. So

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the fact that they could risk losing him for nothing

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means that they should at least consider being proactive and

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ship him out. And the same goes for Iodosumo, who's

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also overplaying his you know, his contract at this point.

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basically Kevin Durant from monsonnecro It's just I don't really

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know how the hell that's happened. There are guys, there

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are a lot of guys who are available who you

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can make a play for. They can get a lot

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of in return. For White, for example, because he's earning

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twelve million a year. I think if this team.

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Speaker 1: First round picks at minimum, I would think, right, oh yeah,

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probably not a great first round pick, but you're getting

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two first round picks and either no or player in

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Speaker 2: I mean look, and this is the thing they would

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have to commit to that they would have to commit

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to saying, look, let's hit the big red ass rebuild button,

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a button they've been afraid to hit for years. So

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I don't necessarily think they're gonna There's also the fact

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that Billy Donovan apparently is very much against rebuilding, and

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they just signed him to a contract extension this summer,

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meaning odds of them actually going into full on rebuild

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are probably slim. But if they were to do the

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right thing, they would probably be the team that everyone

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should look for at the trade deadline.

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Speaker 1: The only addendum I would make is that the fact

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that they're only four and a half million dollars away

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from the tax line, like, I don't know how much

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they actually will help out other teams as we know,

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they're definitely not going to pay the tax And I

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wonder if because based on the latest reporting from Brian Windhorst,

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he said that there's like nothing doing on the zach

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but it seems to intimate that no one's meeting the

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but I think when you look at Vouch in the

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way he's playing, yes, there'll be teams that want him.

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I'd be shocked. And if you're expecting more than a

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first round pick for zach Lavine, I personally think that

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zach Lavine is very valuable and there are a litany

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money be damned, But I also just relative to what

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his value is and the unknowns about how can he

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contribute to an actual winning squad. Like if you're the Bulls,

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the trade deadline by doing nothing, because if you're the

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right move would be let's just move off. These players

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really lean into steer into our lottery, like keep fine.

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That's me personally. I understand why they want someone in there.

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But when it comes to Lavine and vouch and like

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a toy are They've never been a team that's just

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we're gonna move this player because they don't have a

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ton of value. We'll get whatever we can from him,

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and we're gonna move on. They've always just they've pearl

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clutched or they've short circuited to where if I asked you,

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what is more likely the Bulls trade for a first

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round pick at the trade deadline or they make some

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type of addition. I'm not gonna say they'll give up

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a first round pick because that would be franchise malpractice,

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but they make some type of addition to the team

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without acquiring a first round pick. What do you, honestly,

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what do you think is more likely?

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Speaker 2: Oh oh no, No, for sure the second part. And

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I don't even think Look you're saying it would be

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franchise malpractice to give up first I agree with you,

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but I don't even think that door is closed. You

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could make the argument that they gave up a first

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round pick by not even taking a pick back in

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the Caruso Josh Gidey trade right there. So like again,

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they are awful negotiators. I cannot stress this enough. They

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are awful negotiators. Even when we go back to the

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trade that line in twenty twenty one when they got vouch.

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Remember what they gave up. They gave up Wendell Carter Junior,

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the former seventh overall selection. They gave up what ultimately

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was Franz Wagner and Jet Howard, so basically three lotto

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picks for Booch, and they took on the contract of

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Alfa Rugumino because why not? Yeah, but why not? It

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was so again, they were extremely poor negotiators. So I

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agree with you that they're probably looking to upgrade because

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they want to be competitive, which is hilarious in and

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of itself. But we're working off the prism, Dan that

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you and I know better. So that's why we're leaning

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into and for the Pole specifically, I think we do.

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That's that's why they we should lean into. Like, let's

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imagine if they were actually smart very quickly.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that they'll end up moving one or

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both of If I set the over under a point

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five of Lavigne and Bouch being traded, are you taking

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the over the under on that, so whither they're going

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to trade at least one of them or traded none

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of them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the pessimistic side says under because again it's

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they might look at Vood like Booch is the one.

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I don't think sac of Ven is necessarily on the

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on the go because of the contract, Like I think

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we can isolate it to Booch. For me, the question

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is how how do the bulls view him? I know

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we've seen Brian Windhorst say that, you know the vooch

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is also they're taking calls on him what dot. But

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there's there's a non zero chance that our tourist Carter

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shows and Mark Eversley also looks at the current production

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and goes, well, what if this is the new norm?

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What if this is him moving forward? What if this

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is the guy we're gonna get where they just dream

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themselves into some false sense of security with him, and

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they just decide, no, he's too good to get moved,

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Whereas right now is the time to pull the trigger.

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Even if you basically do not get anything in turn,

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but a like a expiring contract, you should. That's the

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way you get off that deal. Just take on an

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expiring contract. It's fine, that's a win, and then you

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give Jalen Smith I guess the starting nod at the

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center of the rest of the season. I wouldn't hate

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that either way. But no, I look, I wouldn't even

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be surprised if they were decided to be buyers and

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they use Lonzo balls expiring contracts to like be buyers.

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Speaker 1: Should be using that to be sellers too, like hey,

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we'll take that turning money that teams don't want out there.

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Speaker 2: Yep, they should. They should. And that's that's what we're

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discussing that you and our perspective and our mission on

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this pod is to identify what they should do, what

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teams should do. I don't necessarily think the bulls are

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going to agree. I do have one question for you, sir,

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which I think is pretty interesting. So we know that

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Josh Kitty's not an NBA starter like the Bulls keep

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starting him, which fine, but I do think it's reasonable

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to wonder if he could be a solid like you know,

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six man or bench creator, Like it's not like he's

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not an NBA player. Should the Bulls at this point,

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instead of having to go into all the restricted free

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agency nonsense this summer, should they be open to moving

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off Josh kidding?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they should. I just even if you think Josh

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Giddy is someone capable of driving winning, the Bulls aren't

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in a position to start winning anytime soon. And so

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why are you the team that's going to pay him?

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And yes, you'll take a bath if you when you

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actually move him, it's oh, you ended up trading Alex

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Caruso for three seconds or something. It's better than paying

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Josh Giddy. We see this all the time. But we

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saw it with the Bulls this past summer. Where was

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Patrick Williams' market that he got a five year deal

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with a player option? So and we've seen it with

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others like Obi Toppin in Indiana just like where was

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the market for him? So teams always these players. They're

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not bad. I don't mean to say that, but these

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players that wouldn't have a market. I feel like these

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teams don't, especially in restricted free agency, which has been

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dormant for at least two or three years. There were

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no offer sheets given out this year from rival teams.

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Last year, I think it was only that wasn't the

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DeAndre Ayton year. That was the That was the Jazz

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and b Ball Paul year, and that was it. So

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we know the Bulls aren't gonna play their leverage. And

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that's not even a bu thing, that's an entire NBA

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franchise thing. They're probably not gonna squeeze Josh Giddy and

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so why do you want to if he ends up

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getting Patrick Williams money or something. They're just not in

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a position when that makes any sense for them, especially

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if you view Kobe White to me as a cornerstone.

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I understand he could play off ball, but you have

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Josh giddeyon Kobe White is like those are your bedrocks?

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Like what are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Agreed, agreed. There isn't a single player on this

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roster that I look at and go, oh yeah, untouchable,

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like at all.

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Speaker 1: Like the closest to Dallas is probably exactly one that

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I got bown and bring up like that's the toughest. Yes,

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my turn to pick. I'm going to go with. Let's

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go with the Nets here and Mark Sign just reported

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that they want a first round pick for Dennis Shruder

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and or Dorian Phinney Smith. I don't know if they

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I don't know if they maybe a bad first round pick.

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I don't know if they get a first round pick,

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like for one of those guys, like are you taking

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back worse money? Maybe that helps, but like a first

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round pick for two guys that could be on expiring contracts.

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Denns Shooter is gonna be a free agent. DFS is

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a player option as of right now. I think he'd

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probably decline it and go for a longer deal, even

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if it's at less annual value, because he's shooting the

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hell out of the ball this season. But we do know,

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contrary to the Bulls, the Nets are going to do something,

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especially because they reacquired the control of their next two

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draft picks. And as things currently stand, they're not bad enough.

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They're just they're like tenth in half court offensive efficiency.

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Dennis Shruter, he's cooled off, but it's still having a

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career year before Cam Thomas was injured. I know he's

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sort of a divisive player, but he was playing offense

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in like kind of a more scalable way than ever.

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He was making threes. Cam Johnson's been fantastic for them

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this year. They don't have to move him, but his

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shot making has been pretty great. And then like DFS

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is having basically a career year from three while still

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playing like the same kind of sound. Oh, we can

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plug that guy into either forward spot and it will work.

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I have confidence the Nets are going to They're gonna

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wheel and deal. I'm just curious as to know to

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what end are they gonna do that. I think, if

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I had to make a prediction before I throw to you,

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I think DFS and Dennis Shuter are going to get moved.

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That just makes the most sense for them. And they're

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also not a team like Washington where it was, oh,

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we couldn't get a first round pick for Tyas Jones,

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will just let him walk for nothing. I think that

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they will capitalize on the value of at least Dennis Shreuter.

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I'm your curious to see how aggressive are they when

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it comes to Okay, Cam Johnson has time left on

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his deal? How much can you actually get for him?

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But also just the the cam Thomas of it all

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is he's going to be he was extension eligible, he's

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going into restricted free agency. If you don't view him

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as a cornerstone, I know he's young enough, or don't

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want to pay him a bunch of money, do you

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look at moving him? And then just the other name,

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because I don't think there's no one on this roster

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who's untouchable. Is Nick Claxton because he'll be eligible to

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be traded. Is are there gonna be teams? You know,

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everyone had the Pelican Circle as a possibility. They're dead

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where they stand and they found Eve's mecI, so that's off.

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I don't know if there's another team that would actively

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go out and want to get him. But again, the

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Nets are in a position where I think they would

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consider pretty much anything at this point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Nets, we need to hand them their flowers

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because what they did in the way that they've structured

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some of these contracts has been brilliant. So Nick Claxon

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you just mentioned, let's start with him. This year is

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the only year for the rest of his contract where

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he has a cap percentage of over twenty, it drops

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down to sixteen point nine next year, then fourteen and

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then eleven and a half percent. Like right now, Nicholas

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Claxton is one of the most intriguing contracts on the

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NBA market. You can get an absolute ton for him,

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especially if there's a center starving roster out there that

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wants to go get a center on someone on a

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budget where they're not committing thirty percent of their cap

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for a center, then he is a perfect candidate. Cam Johnson,

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to me is the big one though, because you said it, Dan,

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They're winning too much, they're not really bottoming out, and

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they have Cooper Flag dreams. They absolutely do Cam Johnson

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as well. His contract is brilliant sixteen point eight percent

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this year in terms of the cap hit, and then

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thirteen point nine percent next year and the year after. Again,

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you can absolutely justify if you're an outside team going

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to ownership and say, look, here's Cameron Johnson, who's averaging

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almost twenty points per game and is one of the

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best long range shooters in the league, who's and we're

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gonna get him for what roughly over the course of

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his full remaining contract fifteen percent of the salary gap. Yes, sir,

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that's a win. So you're right, they have everything going

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for them right now. The way that these contracts are structured,

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it is great. I do agree with you that they're

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not gonna I would be shocked. It's probably the better

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way to phrase it. If they get a first room

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for Shooter because of the expiring contract element. If they

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get like two seconds, that's a win in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: If you get a first I would imagine they're taking

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back like let's just use the Lakers as an example.

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If they're getting a first ra even Doran Phinny Smith

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and or Dennis Shuter, it's what we had to eat

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contract X right.

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Speaker 2: Part of that that's also in play.

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Speaker 4: They could do that. That's that's the beauty of it.

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I mean, this team, they have so many exciting possibilities.

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To me, I that is the team that I have

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circled as being the most interesting in that sense. I

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don't think they can drive the trade dadline as well

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as a motivated Bulls team could, but they're definitely the

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most exciting East team to watch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say they're the teams that I've seen

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Cam Johnson linked to where people suggest that he goes

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to I feel like some people kind of missed the

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plot what Cam Johnson is. I think people have like

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consider him a real wing. He's more of a combo

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like forward than a wing. And he's not a good reboundary.

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He's not a great defender. It's like when I see

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the Kings or the Pacers mentioned his destinations for him. Yeah,

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he'll fit anywhere, but he makes more sense on a

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team that doesn't really need the rebound under the defensive elements,

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00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,680
where like like I mean, I guess, okay, now, okay,

475
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,599
see he doesn't need the defense like, okay, see, would

476
00:23:22,599 --> 00:23:24,440
make a lot of sense. I think the Lakers could

477
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,319
make some sense. But I've I've been interested to see

478
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,559
like some of the the teams that are the best

479
00:23:29,559 --> 00:23:30,960
fits for him. I look at and I say, well,

480
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,240
they're not really to me. They just don't seem like

481
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,559
the best fits for him, Like throw him in San Antonio,

482
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,640
like just a team that'll kind of like doesn't need

483
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,559
a primary wing defender type. And I've just seen him

484
00:23:42,599 --> 00:23:44,480
linked to like too many teams who want another wing

485
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:45,799
style defender.

486
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,519
Speaker 2: So we're gonna talk about them later on. I wouldn't

487
00:23:51,599 --> 00:23:56,880
hate necessarily a deal that's centered around Cam Johnston for

488
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:01,680
Bruce Brown in Toronto. Now the question is what the

489
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,839
rest of the deal would look like. But there's something

490
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,960
interesting there about adding a guy like him to a

491
00:24:09,039 --> 00:24:11,799
team that already has multiple wings, who can handle the ball,

492
00:24:11,799 --> 00:24:14,960
who can pass. I know this that the team obviously

493
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,200
in Toronto has been you know, super injured all year long.

494
00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:20,960
But imagine when they're all playing and if you have

495
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,119
a floor spacer like Cam Johnson, that opens the floor

496
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,680
for quickly, for Barnes, for Barrett, Grady Dick, everyone that

497
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,839
he like you said, he fits everywhere, Like okay, see

498
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,119
is the prime destination that I think everyone has attached

499
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,039
themselves to, and I don't hate it. Like, if he

500
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,359
ends up going there and the return is pretty modest,

501
00:24:40,839 --> 00:24:43,880
I'm probably gonna have the thunder over the Celtics as

502
00:24:44,039 --> 00:24:46,839
as championship favorites at that point. Like he's just that

503
00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:49,519
good and they need someone who's a high volume three

504
00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:54,680
point shooter. It's just God, I envy the situation that

505
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,279
they're in Brooklyn just for them to get out of

506
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,480
like all the Max deals and Ben coming off the books,

507
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,759
it's super interesting, all right, Well, see, I don't want

508
00:25:04,759 --> 00:25:08,480
to steal your New York Knicks, so instead.

509
00:25:08,319 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 1: Spoil the entire podcast before we even get to all

510
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:12,119
the teams.

511
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,079
Speaker 2: No, I'm gonna go with the Heat because and look,

512
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,279
that is where I am a news whore, because we

513
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,400
it just came out that they're open to trading Jimmy Butler,

514
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,240
so we have to talk about that. So this is interesting, right,

515
00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:29,880
because usually when you have guys who are like on

516
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:34,920
the Superstar bubble, you usually get those trades in the summer.

517
00:25:35,319 --> 00:25:36,839
It seems like the Heat are ready to make a

518
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,200
deadline trade here for Jimmy, which is interesting. I don't

519
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,240
know what that deal is. I don't know where he

520
00:25:43,319 --> 00:25:46,599
makes sense, but if they're willing to pivot and go younger,

521
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,559
I'm not necessarily saying it's the right thing to do

522
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,279
for the for the Heat, but it's interesting and he

523
00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:55,000
puts them on a new path which is going to

524
00:25:55,079 --> 00:25:58,440
be very intriguing to follow.

525
00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: I find the timing of this so odd because they've

526
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,400
been top ten in offense and defense the past month.

527
00:26:05,759 --> 00:26:08,079
They have that new starting five that is just killing people,

528
00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:11,039
and like this is when that comes out. I think

529
00:26:11,079 --> 00:26:14,759
it's a matter of it's not that it's a revelation,

530
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,079
but it's just kind of a reconcile moment for them

531
00:26:17,079 --> 00:26:19,799
because they're looking at Jimmy and saying, oh, he's age.

532
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,960
Was he thirty five? And he has that player option

533
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,279
for over fifty million even if he declines it, he's

534
00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:27,319
gonna want like this longer, multi year deal. And do

535
00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:29,359
we even want to get into him for if it's

536
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,200
over two years for forty million a pop or whatever

537
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,359
it is? Like, is that what they're reconciled? Like the

538
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,000
timing is just interesting because the Heat seem like as constructed,

539
00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:41,920
they're on better footing than they were, and I do

540
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,319
I personally do not see the pathway where they're viewing it.

541
00:26:46,319 --> 00:26:48,119
As well. If we get rid of Jimmy, we can

542
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,640
still kind of replicate seventy five to eighty percent of

543
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,599
what we're doing with who's ever inbound, and you're also

544
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,440
dealing with his salary's so massive, and the heat when

545
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,559
you look at their finance situation, like, no, this isn't

546
00:27:01,599 --> 00:27:04,119
a team. They're not in to the second apron, but

547
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,160
they are very close. They're fourteen point four million dollars

548
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,799
over the luxury tax and so they're like they're basically

549
00:27:09,839 --> 00:27:11,640
they're not taking in more money than they're sending out.

550
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:16,680
So you have to find Jimmy a destination that can

551
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,960
take him in and has the ability to take on

552
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,759
more money, which I think is why people are. You know,

553
00:27:21,839 --> 00:27:23,720
Houston's been the one that's popped up a ton, But

554
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,160
if you do the Golden State Warriors as a Jimmy

555
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,799
Butler destination, it feels like that's gonna have to be

556
00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:32,160
like a three or four team machination type trade. So like,

557
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,640
there's the heat have more flexibility on the trade market

558
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,359
than I'm sort of crediting there, But the margins they're

559
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,160
working with are pretty slim, and so the timing and

560
00:27:40,279 --> 00:27:42,960
just with that, if you were gonna make this call,

561
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,400
why not make it over the offseason? His value would

562
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,680
have been objectively higher then, just because you have a

563
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,960
full season to go through Jimmy Butler on your team

564
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,920
and evaluate him. It just this whole thing just feels weird.

565
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,440
But I agree with you he could. If he gets moved,

566
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,599
he's gonna be the biggest name to be moved. I

567
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,319
don't think we're gonna get like a even if Brandon

568
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,079
Ingram's moved, that's not going to be the bigger name.

569
00:28:06,079 --> 00:28:08,559
We're not gonna get like a surprise LaMelo Ball trade

570
00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:11,519
at least, I don't. I don't think so. I understand

571
00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:15,119
why they're going to define I just this whole thing

572
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:16,519
just doesn't. We just did them as one of our

573
00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:18,680
most confusing teams. This confuses the shit out of me.

574
00:28:18,759 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it does. I mean, look, I get it.

575
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 2: I think the reason that they do it now is

576
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,720
because they've probably heard some rumplings. That's my guess, because,

577
00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:29,039
like you said, he does have a player option going

578
00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:32,119
into next season, maybe he's told them pretty low key

579
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,599
that you know, I'm not in a lot to pick

580
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,400
up that player option, like I might decline it. And

581
00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:41,079
we know with Jimmy that it's not always financially driven.

582
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:45,319
Sometimes he's a spontaneous type of guy, Like he could

583
00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:48,880
decline that player option just go hey, look, I'm thirty five,

584
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,039
I'm going to go into my age thirty six season.

585
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,000
I've earned a ton of money over the course of

586
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,160
my career and now I'm going to go over the

587
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,559
ring somewhere else. And if that's the case, then I

588
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,880
understand why Miami is like not panicking, but rushing things

589
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:02,359
a little bit.

590
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you then a twofold questions, what is

591
00:29:08,519 --> 00:29:10,359
the best The first one, what's the best Jimmy Butler

592
00:29:10,359 --> 00:29:12,599
trade destination? And do not say the Rockets.

593
00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:15,119
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say the Rockets because I am.

594
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,519
Speaker 1: Not forget we just remove the age thing from the equation.

595
00:29:17,599 --> 00:29:19,640
I'm not actually trolling anyone who said they'd like to

596
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,680
see him there. The defense would be harrowing, and they

597
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,559
do need a primary offensive force. But I am begging

598
00:29:25,599 --> 00:29:28,559
if the Rockets do anything between now and two thousand

599
00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:31,039
and thirty, just let it be to ad shooting.

600
00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:36,759
Speaker 2: I beg you, right right. So I mean, look, I

601
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,400
know that this is a popular st answer in terms

602
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,839
of the Warriors, but like God damn, the collective IQ

603
00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:46,759
of Steph, Draymond and Jimmy on the same team would

604
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:50,559
be fantastic, And I think Steve Kerr appreciates that level

605
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,680
of basketball knowledge to a perverse degree. I think that

606
00:29:56,039 --> 00:29:58,440
is probably the destination that makes the most sense. We

607
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,880
also know that Jimmy wants to be coach tarder. He's

608
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,119
been saying that all his all through throughout his career,

609
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,720
and he's got Fred Hoiberg fired because of it. Steve Kerr,

610
00:30:09,079 --> 00:30:12,160
I think is right up his alley as a head coach,

611
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,400
so that would be an interesting situation he was open

612
00:30:15,559 --> 00:30:18,759
to also Dallas. I don't see like that that they have.

613
00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: No pathway to getting Jimmy right.

614
00:30:20,599 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 2: Like it would have to be Kyrie or something where

615
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,559
it's just like, no, what thought.

616
00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: I actually agree with Golden State just because as we

617
00:30:29,759 --> 00:30:33,000
record this more, the Warriors are ninetieth. They're in the

618
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:35,839
ninetieth percentile of offensive efficiency with Steph on the court

619
00:30:35,839 --> 00:30:38,359
and the fourth percentile without him on the court, and

620
00:30:38,359 --> 00:30:42,160
so to have anybody that could just initiate things during

621
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,640
Butler's during Steph's breathers on a bench. But I think

622
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,920
it's complicated with them. Is you want us around? Do

623
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,119
you have enough spacing after the trade to optimize Jimmy

624
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,640
Butler because Andrew Wiggins has to go out as p

625
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,839
Marry salary part of any of that deal, and then so, okay,

626
00:30:57,839 --> 00:31:00,119
you'll probably still be able to finagle and keep Buddy Heel.

627
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,039
You could include danfy Meltain's salary because he's done for

628
00:31:03,079 --> 00:31:05,599
the year. At the same time, in theory, he would

629
00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:07,359
have been optimal to someone who can actually space the

630
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,720
floor around this new look. But the Warriors have always

631
00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:11,960
made with their core lineups, even if the spacing is

632
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,440
not great, they figure out a way to do it.

633
00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:16,640
But that would be interesting with them. It's just okay, well,

634
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,880
what does the matching money here look like?

635
00:31:20,279 --> 00:31:23,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it'd have to be Wickans Melton, Gary Payton,

636
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,839
and then it'll have to be a bunch of men's.

637
00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: Or kaminga like. I think that that will be able

638
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,279
to get lead. And by the way, that's the other

639
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,119
question here, and is there any other destinations we should

640
00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:38,359
just do you think the Lakers, given any consideration they

641
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,960
put any of their two distant first round picks on

642
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,440
the table, Miami needs to count at that take on

643
00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:44,960
whatever money they're asking you for.

644
00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:50,039
Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily in love with a Davis Lebron Jimmy

645
00:31:50,119 --> 00:31:54,960
spacing element, though, that is right, that's that's gonna be rough.

646
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:57,680
It's interesting.

647
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: You want to be a fun team, and they would

648
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,880
never do this. This just runs counter their entire DNA,

649
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,279
and I honestly, for them to get to the money,

650
00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:09,480
it's basically anyone but their two best players, like everyone

651
00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:11,279
but their two best players going out but Jimmy and

652
00:32:11,319 --> 00:32:16,880
Indiana would be wild him saka Alibert.

653
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:23,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I yeah, I could see that. And it's

654
00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:25,799
a small market, like they will have to if they

655
00:32:25,839 --> 00:32:27,440
have to get better, it will have to be through

656
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:32,160
trade because like they're not necessarily a strong free agent destination. Oh,

657
00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:35,160
the pressure would be on them though, Like, and it

658
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,799
feels so bad to they.

659
00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: Still have no bigs because I assume that you're gonna

660
00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:41,599
need well, I mean you have toppin. I guess if

661
00:32:41,599 --> 00:32:44,160
you throw Nie Smith in there, you have Mathron and

662
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,519
well that's not gonna be enough to get you to

663
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:48,359
Butler's money though, So you're probably getting rid of Turner two.

664
00:32:48,279 --> 00:32:51,079
Speaker 2: But you're also feeling bad because you're not really getting

665
00:32:51,319 --> 00:32:54,319
Tyrese Halibert at his best this year for a variety

666
00:32:54,359 --> 00:32:56,400
of factors. So like, and Jimmy, so.

667
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll save it or like, do we need to close?

668
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,880
I was gonna ask you because I'm I'm gonna pick

669
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,680
the Pacers next, So spoiler alone there? All right, but

670
00:33:05,079 --> 00:33:07,880
how many first round picks the or the equivalent if

671
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,200
I say one and a half first round picks for

672
00:33:10,279 --> 00:33:13,279
Jimmy Butler or the equivalent if you include a prospect? Right,

673
00:33:13,599 --> 00:33:16,039
is Miami etting more or less than that.

674
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,559
Speaker 2: No, no, no, that has to be right on the

675
00:33:18,599 --> 00:33:21,599
money that that that area like one to two because

676
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,160
he again, he's got a player option he can he

677
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,839
can leave technically five and he's thirty five. So yeah, no,

678
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,079
you're absolutely not breaking the bank. But for Miami, you

679
00:33:32,119 --> 00:33:35,200
have to get something in return that's that's substantial still,

680
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,680
Like you can't just you know, have a two thousand

681
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,559
and four Superstar trade, like where you know, the Raptures

682
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:44,759
gave up Vince Carter for virtually nothing. Yeah, like those

683
00:33:44,839 --> 00:33:47,000
days are over. You have to get something for Jimmy

684
00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:49,119
at this point. But like, you're not going to get

685
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,720
a Rutical Bear package that will be if they if

686
00:33:51,759 --> 00:33:54,319
Miami gets a Rudical Bear package for Jimmy Butler.

687
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,079
Speaker 1: I'm just on the other side of that trade exactly.

688
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,319
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna award the winners of the trade that line,

689
00:33:59,359 --> 00:34:01,720
and I'm just gonna buy them, you know, some sort

690
00:34:01,759 --> 00:34:05,200
of present. Just that's because they'll be deserving of it.

691
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,079
Speaker 1: Is there any other Jimmy Butler teams that even like

692
00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:10,800
imagine a Kawhi for Jimmy swap, there have to be

693
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:11,960
more moving parts there, but.

694
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 2: That'd be fun. Oh, Jimmy back to the Bulls for

695
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,199
sack lovine and they got traded for each other back

696
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:19,719
in twenty seventeen. That would be fun. The Bulls would

697
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,960
be in for that. I'm telling you that they would

698
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:22,360
love that.

699
00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: You know he's not The Spurs aren't a Jimmy team.

700
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 2: Right, well, I mean in terms of their DNA, he

701
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,280
absolutely is. The problem is, do you want to spend

702
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,199
a lot of assets on the guy who's thirty five

703
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,880
when he Like it's one thing to not necessarily have

704
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,519
the same timeline, but like when Webby's twenty one and

705
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:44,039
or he's not even twenty one yet, God, it's absurd,

706
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,519
and like he's twenty and Gimmy's thirty five. I think

707
00:34:47,559 --> 00:34:50,000
that's just that's a bridge too far in terms of

708
00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:52,880
like the different age groups and like because CP, I

709
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,920
know he's about to be forty, he's not in that

710
00:34:56,039 --> 00:34:56,960
level as Jimmy is.

711
00:34:57,039 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: Right, I think that's I can't really. That's the other

712
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,199
thing is Jimmy Butler is really good, but I can't

713
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,480
just rattle off a bunch of teams that would go.

714
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:09,159
I thought I did think the outgoing money would be weird,

715
00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:12,320
but like if you don't have to give up Recesche

716
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,360
or Dyson Daniels or Trey Young, Like, do you look

717
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,639
at making a Jimmy Butler trade work in Atlanta?

718
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:24,199
Speaker 2: Oh, that'd be fun. Oh if Mikail Preaches was earning

719
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:24,800
more money.

720
00:35:26,199 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, I don't want the thirty five.

721
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,920
That would be a disaster. You're gonna even if you

722
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,000
can parlay mchal Bridges straight up into Jimmy Butler. You've

723
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,639
now traded eighty first round pick the next like what

724
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,519
two or three years of Jimmy Butler.

725
00:35:40,599 --> 00:35:44,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, now, but I look I like Jimmy

726
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:47,199
under tips, though I still I know it went wrong

727
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,880
in Minnesota, but that situation was just that was then

728
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:51,480
on rival.

729
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: That's I think that's pretty much it. And Miami couldn't

730
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,679
they turn Like it's just weird they gave up a

731
00:35:57,679 --> 00:35:59,840
pick for Terry Rozier last year. But I do think

732
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:02,639
to wrap up on the heat, it does feel like

733
00:36:02,679 --> 00:36:05,840
they've kind of now telegraphed. Well, perhaps they're not sellers,

734
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,320
but they certainly ain't buying. If you're shopping Jimmy Butler,

735
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,239
we're not gonna see them trade another first round pick

736
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,480
or just try to make an upgrade that way, then

737
00:36:12,519 --> 00:36:13,519
I'm assuming.

738
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 2: I'm really looking through all the scenes here and there

739
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,119
isn't a single one that just jumps off the page

740
00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:24,400
and goes, oh yeah, there's the Jimmy Butler destination.

741
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: Well now go with me on this.

742
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,559
Speaker 2: All right, all right, there's.

743
00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: Gonna be other money involved here. You don't have to

744
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,760
figure out what it is. But do you consider trying

745
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,599
to build something around Jamal Murray? If you're Denver, fine,

746
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,840
I was picking Jamal Murray's on the table and oh wait,

747
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,639
you can't be traded this year he signed the extension.

748
00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:44,480
That's never mind correct, So.

749
00:36:44,559 --> 00:36:47,639
Speaker 2: I was thinking about that. That's that's one part. So

750
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,000
I when you just said that, I was reminded of it.

751
00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:52,000
I actually had forgotten that. But just to make the

752
00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:55,639
money work, that's a tough one. I would love to

753
00:36:55,679 --> 00:37:01,239
see like Yo Kitsch, Butler and Aaron Gore on the

754
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:06,039
floor together. That would be the biggest like bulleyball team

755
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:09,239
of all time. I would love that. But I does

756
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:10,480
that seem have enough shooting?

757
00:37:11,639 --> 00:37:11,760
Speaker 3: No?

758
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 1: Because I mean, Michael Porter Junior, if you can even

759
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,880
begin to make the money work, he's got to go out.

760
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:17,480
How do you make the money work.

761
00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 2: Oh no, I thought you just had like I thought

762
00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:21,400
under your scenario. I know you corrected yourself. But even

763
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:26,480
if you could make like Jamal Murray work, that would shooting.

764
00:37:26,639 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: Who are you attacked? So even if you're using your

765
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,639
prime like let's say this was the off season or something,

766
00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:32,519
so you have Jamal Murray or Michael Porter Junior or

767
00:37:32,519 --> 00:37:34,079
the other, you would still have to give up another

768
00:37:34,119 --> 00:37:37,239
sizable salary, which you don't. Does Zeke Najee and Dario

769
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,480
Sharz get you there? That's like thirteen million on top

770
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:41,480
of Michael Porter Junior.

771
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 2: What's that get you to? Yeah? Uh, thirteen Yeah, you

772
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:46,559
think just about right.

773
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,119
Speaker 1: You could get there, But there's gonna be three or

774
00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:49,920
four for one.

775
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,559
Speaker 2: It feels like, yeah, and that's an offseason move. That's

776
00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:57,519
definitely not that's not a nope. Well it's interesting though,

777
00:37:57,559 --> 00:38:00,440
the fact that they're open just pivoting off of Jimmy.

778
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,880
I mean, that's going to give us at least a

779
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,119
lot of content going up to the trade. That line, Like,

780
00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:08,920
I love the fact that this has come out because

781
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,920
like in February, when I'm gonna be sitting in that

782
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:16,519
basketball court doing my live trade, that line thing. I'm

783
00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:19,960
absolutely gonna reference this. We're gonna have at least twenty

784
00:38:20,039 --> 00:38:22,519
five minutes of content just based off of this rumor,

785
00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:23,920
So thank you, Miami.

786
00:38:24,199 --> 00:38:26,679
Speaker 1: My next team is going to be the Indiana Pacers,

787
00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:28,920
who almost made our list of the most confusing teams.

788
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,119
But I just think that the spot they're in is

789
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,519
kind of almost predictable because what you said before about

790
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,280
you're not getting the best version of Tyre's Haliburton, I

791
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,679
really do agree with you, But I also think that

792
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,079
the Pacers have if they haven't caused this, they've almost

793
00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:50,280
enabled it by trying to have him adjust too much

794
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,360
to the environment around him rather than the other way around.

795
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,960
And I understand that changes to the speed, the cadence

796
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,840
and the way that you play with Siakam needs to

797
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,920
be made. I don't need to see Tyree's Halburton changing

798
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,880
who he is so that Benedict Mathrin can work more effectively.

799
00:39:06,039 --> 00:39:08,159
And you go, you dig into the you watch it,

800
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,000
you see it. His off ball usage is just up

801
00:39:11,039 --> 00:39:12,960
compared to last year, and by the way, last year,

802
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,400
for half of the season, the offtball usage was up

803
00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:18,280
already because of the Buddy Heel trade, and they were

804
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,760
trying to use him in that capacity and to have

805
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,079
the off ball usage go up again and then his

806
00:39:23,199 --> 00:39:25,639
true usage, which is usage that's going to factor in

807
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,840
the playmaking the potential assists that is also mega down.

808
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,320
Like what is just I feel like they've just deviated

809
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:38,679
too far away from the the entire thing that got

810
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,199
them to a point where they felt like they needed

811
00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:42,840
to trade for Pascal Siakam and so they need to

812
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,679
recapture that identity. And yes, I know Halburton had the

813
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,360
hamstring injury last year, dealing with back stuff this year

814
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,840
is clearly not the same. I look at this team

815
00:39:51,159 --> 00:39:54,079
and it's I don't think they could do nothing. And

816
00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:58,440
we know they've needed a wing like Scus defensively, a

817
00:39:58,559 --> 00:40:03,199
properly sized wing, I should say, for roughly forever. And

818
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,719
I also don't know, like you're not good enough right

819
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,199
now to say, well, let me go give up future

820
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,639
draft equity or Jaris Walker or Ben mcmatham to go

821
00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:12,639
get a wing. And the final thing I'll say is

822
00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:15,360
what also makes them interesting is even if they're willing

823
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,719
to do something, I think when you look at hypothetical trades,

824
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,719
or even if you look at the trades that actually happen.

825
00:40:21,639 --> 00:40:24,519
I believe not all, but I think that some Pacers

826
00:40:24,599 --> 00:40:27,159
fans will be in a rude awakening for the disconnect

827
00:40:27,199 --> 00:40:30,880
that exists between just the equity that you have theoretically

828
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,239
invested in Mathrin and Jaris Walker because of where they

829
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,400
were drafted and their actual value around the league. Because

830
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,840
I don't Yeah, if you offer, you know, Jaris Walker

831
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,480
as the primary compensation for Dorian Phinney Smith, I think

832
00:40:44,519 --> 00:40:47,920
the Nets would probably say yes, But I'm sure are

833
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,159
going to be like, oh, hell no, I don't know

834
00:40:50,159 --> 00:40:53,119
that you're getting much more out of a Jaris Walker

835
00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:56,239
trade than a Dorian Phinney Smith type of player, because

836
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,119
it's and if you think you are, you need an

837
00:40:58,119 --> 00:41:00,800
appoint me that you're not getting you know, Jars Walker,

838
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,679
Benec Mathern is not gonna get you Herb Jones. So

839
00:41:02,679 --> 00:41:04,920
I want to be clear, isn't available, But I think

840
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,280
it's easy to say, which would make sense, by the way,

841
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,400
from the Pacers' perspective, if we're trading one of these

842
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,800
should be two blue chip prospects. We need to get

843
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,280
a commesurate return, even if there's other salary and other

844
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,360
draft equity attached. I get that I don't think either

845
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,159
of these guys, even with how well Ben mcmathern has

846
00:41:24,199 --> 00:41:26,599
fared in a role that again, I really do think

847
00:41:26,599 --> 00:41:29,639
Indiana's cow towed to his style a little bit too much. Yes,

848
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,000
I think I don't think you're gonna get a ton.

849
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:37,000
And then the final thing your primary salary anchor going

850
00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:41,239
out is going to be Obie Toppin another team taking

851
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,239
on that contract that has three years and forty five

852
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,719
million roughly remaining after this year. But he's on a

853
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,760
four year, sixty million dollar deal. They're gonna view that

854
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,840
as part of the outbound value for the Pacers, as

855
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,119
in a meaning getting off of Obi Toppin's contract. I

856
00:41:57,159 --> 00:41:59,079
would say there are very few teams that will consider

857
00:41:59,079 --> 00:42:02,079
that a net neutral deal. And so you can't just

858
00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:06,760
say Obi Topping and Jaris Walker for star X that

859
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,079
it's not going to work like that, because Obi Topping

860
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:12,239
around the league, I can say this definitively is considered

861
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:13,519
a net negative contract.

862
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 2: M Oh yeah, there's like you just said, star There's

863
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:18,559
no way that it gonna well.

864
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: Obi top and plus Jaris. I'm like, name the higher

865
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,199
end role player that you think would work that is

866
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,320
gonna get Yeah, Okay, that would that get you Dorian

867
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,119
Phinney Smith and then the Net's inserting other money in there. Okay, maybe,

868
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:34,840
but is that a move that you want to make

869
00:42:35,199 --> 00:42:37,360
as the Pacers to give up on Jaris Walker, who

870
00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:39,599
there's still clearly a potential there, but I don't think

871
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:42,199
he's ever gonna be the player the Pacers need, at

872
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,800
least not within the window of Siakam. I mean, maybe

873
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,400
Haliburton because he's so young, but certainly not agreed.

874
00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:52,639
Speaker 2: Agreed. I think the bigger names would talk about and

875
00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:56,400
you brought him up earlier. Is Benetict Mathrin. I wonder

876
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,159
if they should sell now. Like again, it depends on

877
00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:02,760
how the seems around the league view him. I wouldn't

878
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,840
be surprised if opinions are pretty pretty split despite the

879
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,719
fact that he's, you know, sporting a lot of good

880
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:13,440
raw numbers and decent efficiency, Because it does, to your point,

881
00:43:13,519 --> 00:43:16,239
feel like the Pacers have kind of skewed his way

882
00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:20,440
and this is the maximum production level they've gotten out

883
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,840
of him. Seems a little bit curious. So if they

884
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,159
were smart the Pacers sometimes they are, sometimes they're not.

885
00:43:29,679 --> 00:43:32,719
I would definitely feel calls for Matherine to see if

886
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,719
I could find a team out there that is just

887
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,159
like WHOA, you're you're shopping, You're shopping, Ben, all right,

888
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,079
we're on basically how the Bulls acted when the thunder

889
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:44,880
called him up for Josh Giddy.

890
00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 1: It's just what's fascinating though, is and the East is forgiving,

891
00:43:50,559 --> 00:43:52,719
and so when you're ninth or tenth in the East,

892
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,400
that really just means that you're like five losses out

893
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,039
of home court, is right, right? But are the Pacers

894
00:43:58,039 --> 00:44:00,360
going to because they're not a franchise that like the

895
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,000
the Siakam trade. I think they got great value out

896
00:44:03,039 --> 00:44:04,559
of that because the picks they gave up were just

897
00:44:04,639 --> 00:44:06,199
kind of met and they didn't even have to keep

898
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,639
up them hard in that deal. But that was almost

899
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,639
out of character for their level of aggression because they're

900
00:44:11,639 --> 00:44:14,559
not a franchise that acts. It's not even just brashly,

901
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:19,440
but starkly, I would say. And when you're sitting here

902
00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:23,000
on the fringes of the Eastern Conference playoff discussion twenty

903
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,920
five thirty games into the season, or if we get

904
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,840
to the trade deadline and they're still floating around this

905
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,400
earlier this area, so you're what you know, halfway more

906
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,920
than halfway through the season. Are you going to be

907
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,119
in bolden to make any of these calls, not just oh,

908
00:44:36,119 --> 00:44:38,480
we need to go out and get someone who could

909
00:44:38,519 --> 00:44:40,239
maybe be part of our closing lineup or be one

910
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,440
of our top six players or whatever. Do you even

911
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,880
look at Oh, are we gonna see what we can

912
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,960
get for Benan mcmathn. Then they're in such a fascinating

913
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,960
position because to this point they have not been good

914
00:44:51,079 --> 00:44:54,639
enough to decide to say, well, we're like one medium

915
00:44:54,639 --> 00:44:57,559
sized trade away from really doing something this year.

916
00:44:58,199 --> 00:45:02,639
Speaker 2: Right, That's what the trade that line is for, honestly,

917
00:45:02,679 --> 00:45:04,920
to figure out where how it seems to view themselves

918
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,280
and that's how we judge them afterwards. Like, if the

919
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,719
Pagers believe that they're a move away, good on them,

920
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,440
I would argue there are several just as you would.

921
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,679
So if this could be a start of that process,

922
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,199
maybe they use the trade a line to say, Okay, look,

923
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,199
we're three steps away from really getting into the thick

924
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,559
of things. Let's see if we can get step one

925
00:45:24,679 --> 00:45:26,239
out of the way. The question is what is that

926
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,639
first step? Is that getting off the open topping contract?

927
00:45:29,079 --> 00:45:33,280
Is that utilizing Benedict Matherne season to optimize the trade return.

928
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,159
Is it shopping Andrew Nemhart Like, I don't think so,

929
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,880
but like, just to use an example, I don't know

930
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,440
what that first step is. That roster is a weird mix.

931
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,519
It's pretty difficult to actually, to me at least isolate

932
00:45:47,559 --> 00:45:54,519
trade value basically between everyone, obviously not including Siakam and Halliburton. Like,

933
00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:56,880
if you ask me right now, what is Miles Turner's

934
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,559
trade value around the league? I couldn't give you an advancer.

935
00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:02,639
I couldn't sit here and say, oh, well, it's in

936
00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:05,280
the ballpark on average and one and a half first

937
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,320
round draft picks. I have no idea because these players,

938
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,079
almost all of them will are so specific in their

939
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:16,719
skill set that I think every single team out there

940
00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:19,519
gratees them extremely differently.

941
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: My perdition would be they're gonna end up being the

942
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:27,119
team that doesn't do anything to seismic and they'll try

943
00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:29,920
to capitalize. Let's use think he is an example. If

944
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,559
you're trading Jimmy Butler, I also assume that means that

945
00:46:32,599 --> 00:46:34,400
you're willing to trade Heyward high Smith, and so then

946
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,320
the Pacers come in and scoop up someone like that

947
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,079
to kind of both through their wing ranks, and that

948
00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:40,599
feels like theyre trajectory for this team, but they are

949
00:46:40,639 --> 00:46:44,199
capable and arguably have the incentive to aim or do

950
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:45,039
so much more.

951
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I wouldn't disagree with that.

952
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 1: The question just is, what are you ready to pick

953
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:52,079
your next team?

954
00:46:52,519 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 2: I am, let's go with the Wizards, sir, because there's

955
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,480
a Kyle Kusma, there's a Jordan Poole who's actually playing

956
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:00,000
pretty well.

957
00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:04,199
Speaker 1: Why not, There's a Yonas Valentiunis, And yeah, I would

958
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,880
argue that, Look, if you're gonna bobcats and by that

959
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,639
I mean finish dead last and offensive defense, that's fine

960
00:47:11,039 --> 00:47:13,360
for where you are, but you better do so by

961
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,719
heavily featuring all your youngsters. And to this point, among

962
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:24,239
all their regular rotation players, Malcolm Brogden, Yonas Valentiunis, Kyle Kuzma,

963
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,599
and Jordan Poole all have the highest true usage rates

964
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,639
on the team. So it's you know, we've seen them

965
00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:34,039
experiment with bub Carrington and Ballah, but when everybody's healthy, like,

966
00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:36,880
it's time to really get to this point. I understand

967
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,480
you're trying to audition these guys for the trade deadline,

968
00:47:39,519 --> 00:47:42,239
but who who among the names we just listed, Jordan

969
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,199
Poole in so far as he has any trade value,

970
00:47:44,519 --> 00:47:47,639
it's not getting any better because he's performed well this season,

971
00:47:47,679 --> 00:47:50,079
so team still viewers a net negative, which they probably do.

972
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,599
His trade values not going up. Kyle Kusmis trade value

973
00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:55,400
has only gone down, I would argue this year. And

974
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,960
then Malcolm Brogden, even if he's having the best stretch

975
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,760
of his career, he's always just going to be this

976
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,280
checker health bill to a lot of teams. And so

977
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,800
I do think though, based off what the front office

978
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,000
has done in Washington overall, Yes, we saw them hold

979
00:48:10,039 --> 00:48:12,559
on to Tyas Jones not move him last year. I

980
00:48:12,639 --> 00:48:15,519
look at those four names and I have to think

981
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,920
one of them is at least guaranteed to get moved,

982
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:19,559
if not too right.

983
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,679
Speaker 2: And that's where I am at as well. I just

984
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,039
don't think you can justify hanging on to those guys.

985
00:48:25,159 --> 00:48:27,880
Kyle Kuzma's weird, right, Like that's a weird situation. I

986
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:32,360
was very I was surprised they that he was on

987
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,920
the opening night roster for them. I saw it for

988
00:48:35,039 --> 00:48:37,199
sure he'd get moved over the course of the offseason,

989
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:41,800
and that just did not materialize. I'm just not sure

990
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,639
what their vision is. Like. They were pretty open by saying, well,

991
00:48:45,679 --> 00:48:49,000
we're going to try to restructure everything, which means, yeah,

992
00:48:49,039 --> 00:48:53,760
we're rebuilding from scratch. And they still have these remnants

993
00:48:54,679 --> 00:48:57,599
that is so out of place that doesn't really move

994
00:48:57,639 --> 00:49:00,800
intoedlaha lot for him. So it's no guys for sure.

995
00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:02,880
If they can get off of them. I would be

996
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,480
shocked if one of them remains or sorry, like if

997
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:09,039
they don't trade anyone. But who do you think primarily

998
00:49:09,119 --> 00:49:12,639
of those four is the biggest candidate to get moved.

999
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,320
I would still say Jordan Poole, just because now we're

1000
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:16,639
seeing that.

1001
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: He gets like he's most likely to get moved.

1002
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 2: You think, so why who wants that contract? Well, I

1003
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,039
mean at least he's producing now he didn't.

1004
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:30,119
Speaker 1: We have other evidence of what happens when he's not producing.

1005
00:49:30,519 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 2: Just sure, but it only takes one scene to buy

1006
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:33,920
into this though.

1007
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: It takes one team, but he so more after this year,

1008
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,599
he's got two years and like the eight million left

1009
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:43,280
on his deal, yep, i'd be I would be shocked

1010
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:47,159
if he gets traded. I I mean, look, I think

1011
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:49,920
Jamal Murray, who would you rather have let's go.

1012
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:55,199
Speaker 2: Oh, that's rough. That is rough. I'm gonna coat Jamal

1013
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,639
just because I'm not. I'm not that pessimistic. Look, the

1014
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,840
thing is that it's because I don't hold that high

1015
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,519
an opinion of every front office out there, like we've seen.

1016
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,599
We have too many historic examples of teams buying into

1017
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,360
a guy having, you know, a hot first half of

1018
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,360
the year, and going, oh my god, this is it.

1019
00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:18,159
We found our guy. So that's basically the premise I

1020
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,039
builded on the fact is someone's gonna be swayed by Oh,

1021
00:50:21,079 --> 00:50:23,159
he's hitting forty one percent of his threes on eight

1022
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,119
attempts per game. He's scoring twenty he's averaging five assists. Look,

1023
00:50:27,519 --> 00:50:30,480
we can unlock him. We can. It's basically the arrest

1024
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,599
of development meme. But it happens all the time, like

1025
00:50:34,039 --> 00:50:35,079
it might work for us.

1026
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,639
Speaker 1: I would I would normally say that I think Brogden

1027
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,880
is most likely to be traded because he isn't expiring

1028
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:42,679
and they're not gonna keep him around. But that number

1029
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,199
is just so twenty two and a half is not

1030
00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:48,599
that's not someone just taking a flyer on someone for

1031
00:50:48,639 --> 00:50:50,639
a half seat. Like that's a huge number. So I

1032
00:50:50,679 --> 00:50:53,679
think it's Kyle Kuzma because he's more of a long

1033
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,280
term piece type for any team that he goes to.

1034
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,079
In that contract, I mean, he's been chucking this year,

1035
00:50:59,079 --> 00:51:01,599
but it declines a twenty one point five million next

1036
00:51:01,639 --> 00:51:04,880
year and then nineteen point four the year after that.

1037
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,360
That's eminently workable if you're a team that's trying to

1038
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,119
contend and you have other players to pay, or you're

1039
00:51:10,119 --> 00:51:13,119
dealing with some payroll concerns. And I really do believe

1040
00:51:13,639 --> 00:51:16,719
despite what we've seen at times in Washington, this is

1041
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,480
someone who has improved as a positional defender, and I

1042
00:51:19,519 --> 00:51:21,559
think he can be more plug and play on offense.

1043
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:24,760
It's just we haven't seen him on a team that

1044
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,000
requires him to play such a role in quite some time.

1045
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 2: But so see, here's the I would have agreed with you.

1046
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,320
But also the fact that he's still on the roster

1047
00:51:33,519 --> 00:51:36,960
is what makes me question whether that trade value that

1048
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:41,639
we think he has is genuine because if look look

1049
00:51:42,159 --> 00:51:44,719
last year, twenty two points per game, six and a

1050
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,480
half boards for assist, he was a very underrated playmaker

1051
00:51:48,559 --> 00:51:50,800
at the four position. He was canning two threes per game,

1052
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,880
he was getting to the foul line. No trade during

1053
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,119
the offseason, none, No, like big resolution there.

1054
00:51:58,679 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: I viewed that as as well as him not being

1055
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,159
moved over the off season. That's sort of they want

1056
00:52:03,199 --> 00:52:06,760
to outright not sucky first round picks for him or

1057
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,360
the equivalent, and they're now going to reach the stage

1058
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,400
where if they're not going to get that, they will

1059
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,360
then just take the best offer, which we know will

1060
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:17,840
include at least one first round pick. I'm assuming and

1061
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,519
he also just because of his size and there is

1062
00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:23,719
some positional malleability there, way more so than any other

1063
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:28,840
three names like a Valanchuotist or Brogden or Pool. I

1064
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,000
think you can just envision more teams being interested in

1065
00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:34,320
him and his number. They're different players, and I do

1066
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,199
think Jeremy Grant is better, but his number is easier

1067
00:52:37,199 --> 00:52:40,000
to work with because he's making like fifteen million bucks less.

1068
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,199
Speaker 2: And that's the thing. That's why I have been curious

1069
00:52:44,199 --> 00:52:47,360
as to why he hasn't been moved yet. That's basically

1070
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,519
what it boils down to for me, because you would

1071
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:53,599
think that you could bank in a guy who put

1072
00:52:53,679 --> 00:52:56,679
up those numbers put up in that production. They didn't,

1073
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,719
And again it just makes you wonder, like what is

1074
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,079
the overall feel of him around the league? Because I

1075
00:53:02,119 --> 00:53:04,559
agree with you on the surface and from what you

1076
00:53:04,639 --> 00:53:07,880
and I know it, he should be the far more

1077
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:12,639
attractive Ye peace out there, But have we really heard

1078
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:17,280
any real buzz over the past six months eight months

1079
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,239
about him being oh yeah, like a lot of teams

1080
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:21,000
are in for him?

1081
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,199
Speaker 1: Well, what was that? What was the report? I don't

1082
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:29,639
know who had like, I don't know who had this,

1083
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,119
but that he turned down a trade to Dallas last year.

1084
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,920
I don't know why Kyle Kuzma has Beto power, but.

1085
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 2: That's all that's off. Yeah, No, I mean, look, and

1086
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,000
that's that's why I'm going Pool instead. Though I think

1087
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:49,679
some team is gonna basically talk themselves into it.

1088
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,559
Speaker 1: I so you think, But you think Jordan Poole is

1089
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:55,119
more likely to get traded than Kyle Kuzma.

1090
00:53:55,159 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 2: I do, I do?

1091
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: Who's more likely to get traded? I don't know what

1092
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,920
the loser has to do, but someone time stamp this

1093
00:54:02,039 --> 00:54:05,599
received it on betting more uh more, it has to

1094
00:54:05,639 --> 00:54:07,599
record his only fans podcast.

1095
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,079
Speaker 2: I have to record my OnlyFans pot. You know. The

1096
00:54:10,119 --> 00:54:12,480
great part is people gonna go into this video if

1097
00:54:12,519 --> 00:54:14,440
I'm wrong, They're just gonna look at the name tech

1098
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,719
where it's this grand hues and not my name, and

1099
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,960
that's great. So people are gonna think Grant as an idiot.

1100
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna fix that live and then I'll have

1101
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,639
to fix it in post. A lot of technical difficulties

1102
00:54:26,639 --> 00:54:29,480
through this podcast that hopefully listeners will not experience.

1103
00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:32,119
Speaker 2: No but no, But but here's the thing. Though I

1104
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,400
look on this surface, I agree with you, like you

1105
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,960
and I share the same idea of who should be

1106
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,320
the most valuable trade piece. I'm just saying that sometimes,

1107
00:54:41,679 --> 00:54:45,360
despite the fact that we're approaching this from a logical standpoint,

1108
00:54:45,679 --> 00:54:48,840
a lot of NBA teams don't react logically, which is

1109
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,079
kind of why I'm going with Pool, because I just

1110
00:54:51,519 --> 00:54:54,519
there could be someone out there just going this is

1111
00:54:54,559 --> 00:54:56,840
who we need. This is a guard who can make

1112
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,039
things happen. He's a guard who's sating forty one percent

1113
00:54:59,079 --> 00:55:02,079
the field or so from three he's like twenty five.

1114
00:55:02,519 --> 00:55:04,960
Let's go for it. There's upside. We can change him.

1115
00:55:05,159 --> 00:55:08,800
I just I have less faith, I think than you

1116
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,119
do in NBA front offices.

1117
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to pick the New York Knickerbockers next. I

1118
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,239
just find them fascinating because they have a top five

1119
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,400
bet rating, the best offense in the league. They should

1120
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,119
get Mitchell pressure that ch is back, Mitchell Robinson's eventually

1121
00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:24,719
gonna come back. The pressure to chew a deal seems

1122
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,760
like it was made just to be created. I don't

1123
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,360
define the deadline might be a little bit strong, but

1124
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:35,719
they clearly need something, and I'm just curious to see

1125
00:55:36,119 --> 00:55:38,440
if they'd be willing to move Mitchell Robinson when he's

1126
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,119
probably at the nader of his value, or if they'd

1127
00:55:41,199 --> 00:55:43,239
rather just roll the dice on him coming back, see

1128
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,119
what he looks like with Town, seeing if they could

1129
00:55:45,159 --> 00:55:47,599
have the best backup center in the NBA then at

1130
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:50,119
that point. And I think what's also fascinating here is

1131
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,000
it's easy to point and say this is what they need.

1132
00:55:53,039 --> 00:55:56,039
And look right now, they need defense and they need

1133
00:55:56,119 --> 00:55:59,519
McHale Bridges to continue to be better on defense. They

1134
00:55:59,559 --> 00:56:02,800
have more. They rank dead last and points loud per

1135
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:07,679
possession against top twenty offenses, not top ten, top twenty.

1136
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,199
That is that's awful and you're not gonna win a

1137
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,119
title by doing that. I think that they have improved,

1138
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,800
not so much defensively, but like the team has clearly

1139
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,320
gotten better when you watch them, including mccale bridges on offense.

1140
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:22,039
My whole point is, though, even if you get these

1141
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:25,039
defensive upgrades at the point of attack, how much of

1142
00:56:25,039 --> 00:56:28,760
a difference do they make Because you have your closing five,

1143
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,760
you have your top five guys, and it's not like

1144
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,079
you're not your one. I would be shocked if they're

1145
00:56:34,079 --> 00:56:37,519
moving one of those top five guys, but two, Like,

1146
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:41,239
you're not going to pull McHale bridges to play Deuce

1147
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,760
McBride or you're not pulling your and I would be

1148
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,920
shocked if are you gonna pull Josh Hart to ever

1149
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:48,920
close with two bigs? Because I think you could say,

1150
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:51,119
what if they kind of just change up the big

1151
00:56:51,159 --> 00:56:52,519
situation where if you can figure out a way to

1152
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:55,639
get Robert Williams while giving up Mitchell Robinson, that makes

1153
00:56:55,679 --> 00:56:57,440
sense for you. It could make sense for you because

1154
00:56:57,519 --> 00:57:00,480
Robert Williams is way more dynamic on offense, But like,

1155
00:57:01,039 --> 00:57:03,719
what are you willing to give up to get someone

1156
00:57:04,199 --> 00:57:06,400
who is probably never closing games for you?

1157
00:57:07,159 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 2: Right? And what can you give up? It seems like

1158
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,199
they've sort of stretched the limits of what they can

1159
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:13,360
actually do.

1160
00:57:13,679 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: That's never going to convey so two future seconds is

1161
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:18,519
how I would prame it exactly.

1162
00:57:18,679 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 2: I mean, look, you wanted to put them on you

1163
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:25,079
know this list? I that's fair. I personally did not

1164
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,920
see why they could be how they could be a

1165
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,880
driver of the trade deadline. I don't. I don't. They

1166
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,440
don't think they have the ass and like even if

1167
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,239
they make a trade sort of like a Boston Ish

1168
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:39,119
kind of situation where it's a margin small marginal move,

1169
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,480
not necessarily someone who's going to come in and play

1170
00:57:41,519 --> 00:57:44,199
major minute, someone who's going to move the needle any

1171
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,840
at least not that I see. I could be wrong.

1172
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,519
Like what type of deal is being talked about in

1173
00:57:49,639 --> 00:57:53,079
nick Sland? I don't know, Like what are the fans discussing.

1174
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:58,159
Speaker 1: They I think everyone's torn between they want better point

1175
00:57:58,199 --> 00:58:01,239
of attack defense or they want to nerve wing or

1176
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:02,880
do they need to change up. I think a lot

1177
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:04,719
of people do believe that with pressure to chew a

1178
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,320
back and then if Mitchell Robinson does return, they might

1179
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,519
have the answer there. But like those are their needs?

1180
00:58:10,599 --> 00:58:12,559
Is they definitely they could use It's weird to say

1181
00:58:12,599 --> 00:58:15,159
because you have og Anobi, Josh Hart and McHale Bridges,

1182
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,760
but you do need another reserve win because pocom Dottie

1183
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,199
is not ready pressure to che is not really a wing.

1184
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,760
He's pretty valuable on the defensive end. And by the way,

1185
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,360
this also has to be looked through the prism of

1186
00:58:24,719 --> 00:58:27,960
you don't want to compromise your five out spacing model.

1187
00:58:28,039 --> 00:58:29,880
You're gonna do that if you play with two bigs.

1188
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:31,360
But you're not going to be playing with two bigs

1189
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,159
for like twenty five minutes a game, I would imagine.

1190
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,159
But it's everything to me needs to be viewed. I mean,

1191
00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:38,639
you could look at it and say, Okay, well, has

1192
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,280
McHale Bridges and even karl anthy Town's done enough to

1193
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,119
say you don't need another like a backup point like

1194
00:58:44,159 --> 00:58:47,519
playmaker upgrade over Cameron Payne and Tyler Kohleik who Karon

1195
00:58:47,559 --> 00:58:49,719
Payn's been good for just the number he's been brought

1196
00:58:49,719 --> 00:58:52,760
in at. But do you want Cameron Payne playing in

1197
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,760
the postseason at all? And then you have dudes McBride,

1198
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,559
but that's not really his bag like that he's gonna

1199
00:58:57,559 --> 00:58:59,159
come in, he's gonna give you plug and play offense

1200
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:03,320
and defense. So they're fascinating to me because I think

1201
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,800
they probably have more options available than people credit because

1202
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,280
they haven't played every single chip in their bag. At

1203
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,360
the same time, it's you do get to the point of, well,

1204
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,920
what are you actually doing here? Like what is the cost?

1205
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,039
And then what is the benefit of that? It seems

1206
00:59:17,079 --> 00:59:19,199
more likely that could they be one of the teams

1207
00:59:19,199 --> 00:59:21,840
that just goes out and gets a duop reef and

1208
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,039
it's Okay, this is someone wh's gonna play spot big minutes.

1209
00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:27,000
We gave up a second to get him or whatever. Right,

1210
00:59:27,039 --> 00:59:29,039
But I also think that you could look at them

1211
00:59:29,079 --> 00:59:31,639
and as good as they've been, they still do feel

1212
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:35,519
like one significant rotation piece away from being mentioned in

1213
00:59:35,559 --> 00:59:39,199
the same breath as Boston and Cleveland and okay.

1214
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:43,159
Speaker 2: Say right, And that's where I wonder what they even

1215
00:59:43,199 --> 00:59:45,079
have to offer it, Like, yeah, you have a couple

1216
00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:48,239
of seconds. There's the fake first from from Washington, right,

1217
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,400
and then the contract of pressures that Chua, what does

1218
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:52,280
that really fetch you?

1219
00:59:53,199 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: I do nasty things to get Tomani Kamara on this team.

1220
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know you would. Yeah, that would

1221
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,239
be and that would be a real upgrade. I'm not

1222
01:00:01,239 --> 01:00:01,840
gonna downplay.

1223
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you bench mcal bridges at that point, right and

1224
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:05,639
throw to Moni Kamara in there and and.

1225
01:00:05,639 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 2: Cook No, but like that would be a real lasset.

1226
01:00:09,079 --> 01:00:12,320
The thing is Portland is probably well aware of how

1227
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,719
good he is, and that's where I want. I'm questioning

1228
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,599
whether there's even the deals to be found there.

1229
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: Well. I so Blazers fans have told me that to

1230
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,199
Mony Kamara is the second most important player their rebuild.

1231
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,639
Uh if that's the state of their rebuild, that's concerning

1232
01:00:27,639 --> 01:00:27,840
to me.

1233
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 2: That's true.

1234
01:00:29,039 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: Yes, But with that being said, I don't think they

1235
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,800
should move him. But I do think that if even

1236
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,000
if you could get him for what it's gonna cost you,

1237
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:37,639
if you're the Knicks, if the plan is not if

1238
01:00:37,639 --> 01:00:40,480
he's not even gonna be a closing lineup option, because

1239
01:00:41,199 --> 01:00:45,239
politically speaking, are you ever gonna pull Josh Hart or

1240
01:00:45,519 --> 01:00:48,079
mcal Bridges or Jail and Brunt like if you need defense?

1241
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,519
Like who are you pulling to close with whatever player?

1242
01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:53,760
But don't even view it through Tomani Kamara. You just

1243
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:59,679
you can't justify. So any you can't justify or I

1244
01:00:59,679 --> 01:01:02,360
should say, you're not gonna get better I don't think

1245
01:01:02,719 --> 01:01:06,440
than your top five and so all these other moves,

1246
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:10,000
then you need to think smaller but you're not necessarily

1247
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,760
built to make a small trade other than okay, if

1248
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:14,920
you move prescures at you because if you're moving Mitchell Robinson,

1249
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:16,239
like that's a significant player.

1250
01:01:16,639 --> 01:01:17,199
Speaker 2: Yes it is.

1251
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 1: Yes, So I think that's the tough spot that they're

1252
01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:21,000
kind of in.

1253
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:27,599
Speaker 2: I agree with that it's and that's why I probably

1254
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:31,280
wouldn't have put him on specifically this list because I

1255
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,239
do think it's very limited and even if the words

1256
01:01:33,239 --> 01:01:38,000
a shop Mitch, maybe, Look, the injury pattern is so concerning.

1257
01:01:38,159 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he hasn't played in like forever at this point. Yeah.

1258
01:01:43,679 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 2: I just I have such a hard time seeing this

1259
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:50,880
team make a substantial move. Feels like it's gonna Like

1260
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:52,599
I said before, it's gonna be one of those marginal

1261
01:01:52,639 --> 01:01:55,800
ones that is probably not gonna move the needle. Although

1262
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,719
I agree with the needs there that they have, I

1263
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:01,800
don't think it's solveable like.

1264
01:02:03,199 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: Pressures to chew up plus small salary X and get

1265
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:09,840
Cody Martin. Would that do anything for you? Or would

1266
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,079
you rather keep pressures that youa because he can fill

1267
01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:12,960
a big man voice.

1268
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would, I would, because you can. Yeah, you

1269
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,320
can't trust Mitch, you can't. You can't like he and

1270
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,679
look even if it's him and uh Ariel hug porty

1271
01:02:21,679 --> 01:02:25,480
time baby, oh god, no like and you at least

1272
01:02:25,519 --> 01:02:28,000
can play some spotman's at the four of the five. Sorry,

1273
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,039
So yeah, no, I I don't. Honestly, I don't think

1274
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,159
a wing is the biggest need, although I like, I

1275
01:02:34,199 --> 01:02:37,519
get what you're saying there. I would want some rim protection,

1276
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,840
some stability there. If Mitchell Robinson is gonna help me

1277
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,599
do that by getting back and then staying healthy, which

1278
01:02:43,639 --> 01:02:46,880
is the big question, I'm opting for that instead of,

1279
01:02:47,079 --> 01:02:49,840
you know, sacrificing either him or a Chewa for a wing.

1280
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: Honestly, I yeah, I prefer the wing route, just because

1281
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,639
I think then it spares O g Annobi and Michale

1282
01:02:56,639 --> 01:02:59,840
Bridges and even Josh Hart. Okay, these guys don't all

1283
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:03,239
have to play thirty seven plus minutes a game on average,

1284
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,920
and during the regular season. I think maybe that's what

1285
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:08,840
probably should have mentioned this earlier. Is just it's almost

1286
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:10,880
a matter of getting can you get someone who will

1287
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,760
help you eat some innings during the regular season.

1288
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I know you said pacomb Daddy A

1289
01:03:16,599 --> 01:03:20,000
isn't ready, and I agree with you, but maybe say

1290
01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:23,280
screw it and play him anyway for at least twelve thirteen,

1291
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:24,360
fourteen minutes game.

1292
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:27,679
Speaker 1: You can't get TIBs to pull his starters up twenty

1293
01:03:27,719 --> 01:03:29,159
with like four minutes to go. You're not going to

1294
01:03:29,199 --> 01:03:31,519
get them to just play, No, I know, I heard it.

1295
01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 2: I heard it, and I was remind.

1296
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,239
Speaker 1: You that's why you need to give them a real option.

1297
01:03:35,519 --> 01:03:36,559
That's the game.

1298
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,039
Speaker 2: But like I was just trying to approach this logically,

1299
01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:43,000
because you could basically play on two horses at once

1300
01:03:43,079 --> 01:03:48,079
where you expedite Daddy's experience level and his development and

1301
01:03:48,119 --> 01:03:52,840
you shave some minutes off og Mikale part. But you're right,

1302
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,360
that's probably not going to happen. Cameron Paine as your

1303
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:57,840
backup wing now and then time.

1304
01:03:58,639 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: He's been pretty good this year, but as a up

1305
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:01,000
wing probably not.

1306
01:04:01,119 --> 01:04:04,159
Speaker 2: Ye, there you go, Tyler Kolla is gonna just take

1307
01:04:04,199 --> 01:04:07,679
over the backup point guard role then throw throw paint

1308
01:04:07,719 --> 01:04:10,039
in its the wing. Honestly, it's a good question, though,

1309
01:04:10,079 --> 01:04:13,800
like I don't see an immediate response. There is there

1310
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,719
like a minimum guy who could be interesting.

1311
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:20,159
Speaker 1: Are you talking about wings or just wings?

1312
01:04:20,199 --> 01:04:22,159
Speaker 2: Like what what is Tory Craig earning?

1313
01:04:22,519 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 1: What he's around he's around the minimum, so that could

1314
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:28,880
technically work. Yeah, two point eight sneaky down.

1315
01:04:29,559 --> 01:04:31,599
Speaker 2: Right, that's a that's sort of a deal that could

1316
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:32,079
be interesting.

1317
01:04:33,079 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 1: They might be, I mean, they'll be restricted in who

1318
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,119
they can get, but like they might also be a

1319
01:04:37,119 --> 01:04:40,360
buyout team, just that the player was making less than

1320
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:45,519
the yeah mid level. Oh wait there Yeah, their first apron,

1321
01:04:45,599 --> 01:04:47,800
so they're gonna have to that. That'll be a restriction

1322
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:49,599
for them right there.

1323
01:04:49,639 --> 01:04:51,599
Speaker 2: They they were a hard capped at the second aprin

1324
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:53,639
only five and eighty thousand.

1325
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:57,599
Speaker 1: Well that's also that's what makes it's not like unnavigable.

1326
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:00,679
But that's also what makes their trades stuff so tough,

1327
01:05:00,719 --> 01:05:02,960
is that they have to take back. They basically just

1328
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:04,639
have to take bath less money than they're sending out

1329
01:05:04,679 --> 01:05:08,360
at this point, and anyone they sign off the buyout market.

1330
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,119
So what's the mid level this year at twelve point nine,

1331
01:05:10,119 --> 01:05:12,280
So they need to they need to be earning under

1332
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,760
twelve point nine million dollars if they get bought out.

1333
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:16,880
I haven't really dug into biock adies, but they feel

1334
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,639
like a team that could certainly be a buyout, Like

1335
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:21,480
they'll be monitoring the buyout market.

1336
01:05:21,599 --> 01:05:24,159
Speaker 2: Well, look that's that's not for now. Buyout that's after

1337
01:05:24,159 --> 01:05:26,840
the trade deadline. I can't be bothered talking about buyouts

1338
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:27,280
at this court.

1339
01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:29,599
Speaker 1: Oh man, if Larry Nance Junior ends up getting bought

1340
01:05:29,599 --> 01:05:30,800
out in Atlanta, sign me up?

1341
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 2: Is he that is he? Really?

1342
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 1: He's an eleven point two? Would you trade, like, let's

1343
01:05:38,519 --> 01:05:41,199
just Atlanta just because Copella is gonna be a free agent?

1344
01:05:41,239 --> 01:05:44,280
Would you trade Mitch for Larry Nance Junior?

1345
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 2: Or would you want? Absolutely? Like? Like why? Why? Why

1346
01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:49,719
would the Hawks though?

1347
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 1: Because they want someone who's under con like Copell. Let's

1348
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:55,119
say they don't want to pay Capella and Nance and

1349
01:05:55,119 --> 01:05:57,199
they think those guys are gonna cost too much money

1350
01:05:57,239 --> 01:06:00,440
together for whatever reason, they you know, Mitch is under.

1351
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 2: Car right, Yeah, I see what you're going. Okay, Yeah, No,

1352
01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:06,000
absolutely I would. I think I think Atlanta would be

1353
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:10,000
the ones who have to be convinced. But yes, absolutely, yeah.

1354
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 1: I mean if you could do, look, give me Vic

1355
01:06:11,519 --> 01:06:14,320
Crachy and Marian Junior for Mitchell Robinson and that might

1356
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:15,400
be something you have to consider.

1357
01:06:16,239 --> 01:06:20,519
Speaker 2: All right. So the Toronto Raptors, I don't have a

1358
01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:23,119
lot to say about them, but I do think they

1359
01:06:23,119 --> 01:06:26,960
are disturbing of a mention here. I think a lot

1360
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,960
of people are a little too harsh on them because

1361
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:34,360
like they've they've been so injured, Like they haven't had

1362
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:36,800
a single game this year with Rji Barity Manual quickly

1363
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:39,000
and Scottie Barnes played at the same time. That so

1364
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:43,480
happened this year, like at all. This team is so

1365
01:06:43,519 --> 01:06:46,599
interesting to me because they have Bruce Brown's expiring twenty

1366
01:06:46,599 --> 01:06:50,239
three million dollar contract. Now, a lot of people would go, well,

1367
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:52,199
they can just let that expire and then they'll have

1368
01:06:52,239 --> 01:06:56,360
some wiggle room going into the next summer. No, they

1369
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,239
will not, because that's when Scottie Barnes's extension kicks in.

1370
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:02,639
He's gonna be earning twenty eight million dollars more than

1371
01:07:02,639 --> 01:07:07,239
he is this year. So that's a substantial race. So

1372
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:10,000
the question is should you get out ahead of things,

1373
01:07:10,039 --> 01:07:12,639
both with Bruce Brown and maybe even Chris Bouche as well,

1374
01:07:13,079 --> 01:07:17,360
and say, look, what can we do for the like

1375
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:21,159
what can we get for those two that are longer

1376
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:25,119
term deals so we can actually maintain that sort of

1377
01:07:25,159 --> 01:07:27,920
flexibility because they're not gonna have cap space. This is

1378
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:29,599
going to have to be a team that operates us

1379
01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:31,599
over the cap for a lot of years to come,

1380
01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:34,320
so why not just I mean find.

1381
01:07:34,239 --> 01:07:36,639
Speaker 1: By the way, capspace doesn't matter anymore. They had the

1382
01:07:36,719 --> 01:07:38,280
chance to have cap space this year and they went

1383
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:44,119
right the opposite route, so right, so why not you

1384
01:07:44,159 --> 01:07:46,599
just wouldn't look at I guess. But then if you're

1385
01:07:46,599 --> 01:07:50,239
doing that, you need to acquire someone who's better than

1386
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,400
those guys, because otherwise it's why not just resign those

1387
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:55,840
guys and roll over there? So maybe Bruce Brown doesn't

1388
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:59,519
want to be there happy in his cowboy outfits this year, so.

1389
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,599
Speaker 2: Right, And so this is one of the most forgotten

1390
01:08:02,639 --> 01:08:05,920
items in my opinion, within the NBA's communication. So like,

1391
01:08:06,159 --> 01:08:09,159
if you have a very good relationship with a player

1392
01:08:09,519 --> 01:08:13,760
and an agent, and if you just communicate and talk frequently,

1393
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,520
you have a pretty good idea where a guy is leaning.

1394
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:20,079
So if you know the Bruise is interested in resigning there,

1395
01:08:20,239 --> 01:08:22,439
I agree with you. Then I wouldn't trade him necessarily

1396
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,479
because it's not going to command twenty three million dollars

1397
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:26,479
again per year, that's not going to happen. You can

1398
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:29,279
get him cheaper than that. But if he is, like

1399
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:31,439
I'm waffling a little bit, I have one for it

1400
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:35,000
out the door. I look at different options. Then absolutely

1401
01:08:35,039 --> 01:08:37,640
you need to be proactive, right, That's that's the dance

1402
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:41,720
of an NBA general manager. Bouchet Is, I have no

1403
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,840
idea where he's leaning, so that's a similar situation. But

1404
01:08:45,039 --> 01:08:48,119
I would at the very least have a trade lined

1405
01:08:48,279 --> 01:08:51,399
up before the deadline that I have sort of an

1406
01:08:51,399 --> 01:08:53,640
option on if i'm them, where I can say, Okay,

1407
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:55,199
we got this in the back, we can go there

1408
01:08:55,239 --> 01:08:58,479
if we want to. Because just having that flexibility of

1409
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:01,000
having a big contract on the books as well that

1410
01:09:01,079 --> 01:09:03,960
you can move down the line for example, that'd be huge.

1411
01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:07,319
Speaker 1: I just do you view them as a team that

1412
01:09:07,319 --> 01:09:10,880
would kind of buy.

1413
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 2: I think they well. By buying is a stretch, right

1414
01:09:12,039 --> 01:09:14,239
because you're still giving up Bruce Brown, like right now,

1415
01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:17,840
he hasn't played this year. So what I'm basically saying

1416
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,119
is you need to have I think you should just

1417
01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:23,840
prioritize your salary cap optimization, That's what I will say.

1418
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:27,359
Because so Scotty Barnes just went out again, so he's

1419
01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:29,079
going to be out for at least a few weeks.

1420
01:09:29,079 --> 01:09:31,439
We don't really know when quickly is going to come back.

1421
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:35,800
I don't think they're in a rush to like get

1422
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:38,439
better because I think they fully realized they have a

1423
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:41,479
real crack at Cooper Flag for example. But they're not

1424
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,279
your traditional rebuilding team like this team.

1425
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 1: First of all, they can be pretty they played a

1426
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:47,960
lot of competitive games.

1427
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look they're good if you look. It's almost

1428
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:53,600
been the silver lining. I'm writing about this over at

1429
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,640
Forbes as well, Like I'm there's a silver lining here

1430
01:09:57,199 --> 01:10:00,279
by having those guys on the bench. Grady Dick Jack

1431
01:10:00,319 --> 01:10:04,439
a Peartle have both blown up. They've been fantastic. Like

1432
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:08,039
right now, if everyone were healthy, including Bruce Brown, you

1433
01:10:08,119 --> 01:10:10,880
have a set starting five and a set six man

1434
01:10:11,359 --> 01:10:14,520
and that should be a pretty interesting six man like

1435
01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:18,720
core right there. But that just has to materialize. Now

1436
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:22,359
you're adding you're going into next year possibly without Bruce Brown,

1437
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:25,319
but you could be adding I don't know, a Dylan Harper,

1438
01:10:25,359 --> 01:10:28,199
Ace Bailey, a Cooper Flag even where like if they

1439
01:10:28,279 --> 01:10:30,319
end up with a high pick, they could they could

1440
01:10:30,319 --> 01:10:33,600
get like a real difference maker. So I want to

1441
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,079
preface that by basically saying, Okay, before we get into

1442
01:10:36,079 --> 01:10:39,479
that summer, Bruce Brown's salary slot, we need to replace

1443
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:43,479
that with someone else. Is that considered buying perhaps perhaps not.

1444
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,039
I just look at it as salary cap optimization.

1445
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 1: I guess it's just I agree with the premise. It's

1446
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,560
just a weird line to straddle because if you're giving

1447
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:56,359
up Bruce Brown's expiring salary, especially while he's injured, I mean,

1448
01:10:56,439 --> 01:11:00,319
let's just say, like what team is the contractor getting

1449
01:11:00,359 --> 01:11:02,840
back is one the other team probably doesn't want, So

1450
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:05,640
you have to tow that line of, well, we're getting

1451
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:08,319
someone who can still be a valuable salary anchor in

1452
01:11:08,359 --> 01:11:11,039
a trade, at least as an expiring to where Okay,

1453
01:11:11,079 --> 01:11:14,239
maybe they're being overpaid like a Bruce Brown, but it's

1454
01:11:14,279 --> 01:11:17,039
not so long term that now we're just kind of

1455
01:11:17,119 --> 01:11:21,039
bag holding, correct, And that's a very different That's like

1456
01:11:21,079 --> 01:11:22,840
a really thin line to toe.

1457
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:26,640
Speaker 2: It is, absolutely and that is why I'm not gonna

1458
01:11:27,039 --> 01:11:29,119
I'm not earning millions to sit in the front office,

1459
01:11:29,159 --> 01:11:31,079
because that is the job of those guys to figure

1460
01:11:31,079 --> 01:11:34,479
that out. But I do think that is one way

1461
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:36,640
they could go about in this trade deadline, because I

1462
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:39,640
think the Raptures are underrated in that sense. Like everyone

1463
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:41,720
looks at the records seven and eighteen and they go,

1464
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:45,680
oh my god, they've been crap, But they haven't really.

1465
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:48,000
I mean, they've just been well.

1466
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 1: We did a segment on this earlier in the season.

1467
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:53,399
As held true, they are the perfect kind of bad.

1468
01:11:54,039 --> 01:11:58,520
There's development, there's fun, there's competitiveness, and yet they're not winning.

1469
01:11:58,600 --> 01:11:59,880
I mean, you can probably make the case at some

1470
01:12:00,039 --> 01:12:02,399
point you want to see them win fewer games. I've

1471
01:12:02,399 --> 01:12:04,239
had the second worst record in the East. No, like

1472
01:12:04,279 --> 01:12:06,600
you're still firmly in like the lottery. They've been the

1473
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:08,640
perfect kind of bad this year.

1474
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 3: They have, They really have, and that's why I think

1475
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:13,079
they're super interesting to watch going into this trade that line,

1476
01:12:13,079 --> 01:12:15,880
because they also have a lot of options at their disposal.

1477
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 1: It's, you know, the only contract I think springs to mind,

1478
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:22,039
and he's been playing. This isn't last year Zach Collins,

1479
01:12:22,119 --> 01:12:23,760
but like that would be the type of deal where

1480
01:12:24,039 --> 01:12:25,840
he had one year left after this year, right, and

1481
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:28,439
maybe the Spurs want to clear that money off the books.

1482
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:30,039
And Bruce Brown if he's healthy, he's kind of a

1483
01:12:30,039 --> 01:12:30,800
Spursy player.

1484
01:12:31,279 --> 01:12:34,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I love that. Love that. That's really good

1485
01:12:34,319 --> 01:12:37,000
because I had I wrote an article before the season,

1486
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:40,039
by the way, and this is actually funny. So I

1487
01:12:40,079 --> 01:12:43,720
got aggregated just last week on it because and that's

1488
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,199
the I wrote the article before the season even began.

1489
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:49,760
I basically pitched a deal that would send Bruce Brown

1490
01:12:50,199 --> 01:12:55,319
and I think it was Chris Bruche to uh Portland

1491
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:58,279
for DeAndre Ayden, so basically because at that point we

1492
01:12:58,319 --> 01:13:01,560
didn't we didn't know that Pearl would take this leap, right,

1493
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:02,760
and I didn't know. No one knew.

1494
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:07,119
Speaker 1: To be fair, a lot of Raptors fans were really

1495
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:10,960
espousing his value to when it comes like offensively and

1496
01:13:11,039 --> 01:13:12,960
unlocking things even last year.

1497
01:13:13,359 --> 01:13:16,560
Speaker 2: Right, but he still took a major step up this

1498
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:18,600
year to the point where we're all kind of like,

1499
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:21,800
oh oh, he had that level in him, right, So

1500
01:13:22,359 --> 01:13:24,159
that was an idea I ahead of the time. Not

1501
01:13:24,199 --> 01:13:27,520
there anymore because Yaga Peol obviously has basically said, what

1502
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:29,840
what did you write? More? Fuck you, I'm gonna take

1503
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:32,560
that center spot for myself, thank you very much. So

1504
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:34,920
now there's there's just not that need. Kelly Linin is

1505
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:38,920
also still around, by the way. It's it's so interesting

1506
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,359
to get a guy like Sack Collinson there though, because

1507
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:44,199
you can sort of play him at the forest well,

1508
01:13:44,359 --> 01:13:46,079
or you can play Kelly Lnik at the Fort like

1509
01:13:46,119 --> 01:13:47,560
you can make that work.

1510
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 5: There's a very loose term, right right, and you know

1511
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:54,199
better this year has been pretty bad in the past

1512
01:13:54,199 --> 01:13:57,039
few games, I believe, But right, that's the I mean,

1513
01:13:57,039 --> 01:13:59,000
if I'm the Spurs, I'm pouncing it, even if Bruce

1514
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:00,479
Brad's I'm gonna play this year, and I might just

1515
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:02,399
pounce it getting off Zac Collins's money, even if I

1516
01:14:02,399 --> 01:14:05,079
have to include a second I'm doing Zach Collins for

1517
01:14:05,119 --> 01:14:06,399
Bruce Brown for sure.

1518
01:14:07,399 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 2: That that's That's probably one of those deals the Spurs

1519
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:10,640
would like to take back.

1520
01:14:11,159 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 1: Our final pick is on me and I'm going to

1521
01:14:14,079 --> 01:14:16,199
close this out. No teams in the East being talked

1522
01:14:16,239 --> 01:14:19,359
about after this more. We gotta go with the Philadelphia

1523
01:14:19,399 --> 01:14:23,119
seventy six ers, right, yes, sir, they have a human

1524
01:14:23,159 --> 01:14:26,239
trade exception in kJ Martin. They have four movable first

1525
01:14:26,319 --> 01:14:29,640
round picks. They could move Jared McCain, although I don't

1526
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:34,079
necessarily why they would want to. Joel Embiide is back,

1527
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:38,680
so things are trending upward for them. They've moved all

1528
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:40,960
the way up to twelfth in the Eastern Conference as

1529
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,680
we record this. That's a pretty that's a big deal. Well,

1530
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:46,319
look again, that only means they're like a four game

1531
01:14:46,319 --> 01:14:48,159
winning streak away from being in fourth place.

1532
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 2: Then that is true. That is true. Yes, I thought

1533
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:52,920
you were trolling with that one.

1534
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 1: Yeah. OK, they were always going to define the trade

1535
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:59,119
deadline because everyone viewed this team as well. They're built

1536
01:14:59,399 --> 01:15:01,319
to make another. It might not be a mega move

1537
01:15:01,359 --> 01:15:03,520
because you look at their payroll moving forward. You know,

1538
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:05,680
Daryl Morey can say is the authorization to do whatever

1539
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:08,319
he wants. But I don't think that they're gonna go

1540
01:15:08,399 --> 01:15:10,600
for someone who makes a ton of money, even though

1541
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:13,560
look they could step ladder their way there and get

1542
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:17,680
to some pretty splashy names. I just don't know what

1543
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:20,479
they're gonna do anymore. I think you still kind of

1544
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:24,600
have to go the route of ultra aggression. But like

1545
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,079
the Paul, George and Joel and b decisions are now

1546
01:15:27,159 --> 01:15:32,640
looking more fragile than ever. Let's put it so it's

1547
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:36,119
you view it on both sides of the fence saying, well,

1548
01:15:36,159 --> 01:15:38,439
we now our windows even shorter maybe than we thought,

1549
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:40,720
so we have to go all that ords well our

1550
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:42,760
window just might never open, and so like we kind

1551
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,359
of need to take a step back and we'll recalibrate

1552
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,760
over the summer. What do you think They're gonna they again.

1553
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:51,119
They are built to do all sorts. That twenty twenty

1554
01:15:51,159 --> 01:15:52,800
eight Clippers first round pick is one of the most

1555
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:54,479
I know the Clippers are playing well this year, but

1556
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,119
that's still one of the most valuable assets on the

1557
01:15:57,119 --> 01:16:00,720
trade market. When you're looking at draft picks specifically, what

1558
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:02,159
do you expect them to do.

1559
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:07,079
Speaker 2: That? Honestly, I have no clue because they are like

1560
01:16:07,119 --> 01:16:10,920
you said that, they're all over the place. I just

1561
01:16:11,039 --> 01:16:13,000
have not been able to get a good read on him.

1562
01:16:13,079 --> 01:16:15,600
I would actually, look, I'm copping out on that one,

1563
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:17,600
and I'm asking you a question instead, because this is

1564
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:20,079
where I'm at. You just brought up Embiiden and Paul George,

1565
01:16:20,119 --> 01:16:23,319
So I want to just get into that. If you

1566
01:16:23,399 --> 01:16:27,880
were offered if the Philadelphia is some your del mory. Okay,

1567
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:31,920
So it seems calling you both of them are able

1568
01:16:32,199 --> 01:16:34,680
and this is pure fantasy, but we're still rolling with it.

1569
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:39,720
They're offering you expiring contracts for Joe and Paul George.

1570
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:42,000
They're basically giving you a lifeline to get out of

1571
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:43,680
those deals. What do you do? Dan?

1572
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 1: Look here, So I actually think the Sixers are gonna

1573
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:52,239
be fine because the look if you want to get

1574
01:16:52,239 --> 01:16:54,560
out of the Joel Embiid business, you never would have

1575
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:58,920
gotten into the Paul George business. And two, I really

1576
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:03,239
do think that we make every Joel Embiid return from

1577
01:17:03,239 --> 01:17:07,279
injury into this nightmare scenario when we have eons and

1578
01:17:07,319 --> 01:17:10,479
eons of data and past president that he takes a

1579
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:13,840
while to ramp up. Now me, stuff is concerning for

1580
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:17,399
obvious reasons, but this is just where happens. I think

1581
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:19,039
that we're going to get to a point this season

1582
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:22,239
where we're going to start seeing the social media posts

1583
01:17:22,279 --> 01:17:25,600
of oh, Joel Embiid is back. So I don't think this.

1584
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:27,399
I was wrong about the Sixers in terms of I

1585
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:29,560
thought they were one of the Inner Circle title contenders.

1586
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:32,199
I really do not think they belong there anymore. But

1587
01:17:32,239 --> 01:17:34,720
I tend to be more optimistic about what they can do,

1588
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:38,239
at least this season. So if you're calling and offering me,

1589
01:17:38,039 --> 01:17:40,119
if you're calling offer me expiring deals for those two,

1590
01:17:40,159 --> 01:17:42,039
I'm gonna say no. You can say you want to

1591
01:17:42,039 --> 01:17:45,600
rejigger around Maxi and McCain. I can't get there, right.

1592
01:17:46,199 --> 01:17:48,680
Speaker 2: I agree with you on that. It's just it's been

1593
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:51,399
a question that I've been getting a lot from the

1594
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:54,439
Danish sides. A lot of Danish listeners.

1595
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 1: Even fair I'm and that's the thing.

1596
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:59,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, there the more questions I got up like it

1597
01:17:59,399 --> 01:18:02,359
was like, okay, that it's a legitimate question, Like I

1598
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:05,279
do definitely lean on your side as well, I think

1599
01:18:05,359 --> 01:18:09,439
you're in it, Like you're absolutely right. They committed to Joe.

1600
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:12,319
They knew that Paul George was you know, thirty four

1601
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:16,560
and has just a rough injury history as basically, ka,

1602
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:19,199
why if you're looking over the past what five years,

1603
01:18:19,399 --> 01:18:23,399
So this was them just rolling out the dice and saying,

1604
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:27,000
whatever happens happens. I think they're in it and they

1605
01:18:27,039 --> 01:18:29,880
think they're committed. Do I think there's a chance in

1606
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:35,640
hell that they get to the finals? Probably not. Again,

1607
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:37,840
I think we talked about this over the last part.

1608
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:40,880
Like I'm just at that point now where there's so

1609
01:18:41,039 --> 01:18:44,640
much history against Joe in the playoffs and health and

1610
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:46,760
whatnot that it's just I'm at that point where I

1611
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:48,600
need to see it to believe it. I can't go

1612
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,840
in and go, oh, yeah, the Sixers are going to

1613
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:54,119
be like a real threat and this year's playoffs, I

1614
01:18:54,239 --> 01:18:58,039
can't It's been so many years now where they're entered

1615
01:18:58,039 --> 01:19:04,079
the postseason with someone out or drastically diminished over the

1616
01:19:04,079 --> 01:19:06,920
course of a series. So I just don't have the

1617
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:11,920
faith in them being a finals candidate. That said, I

1618
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:13,880
agree they just need to run the course. But do

1619
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:17,319
they need to give up more assets to build on

1620
01:19:17,399 --> 01:19:17,840
what they have?

1621
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:23,640
Speaker 1: I think the route to go is can we and

1622
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:25,239
I think you can make a case for, like what

1623
01:19:25,319 --> 01:19:27,000
their biggest needs are. I think you can make a

1624
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:30,039
case for a wing, maybe a pure four, another combo

1625
01:19:30,119 --> 01:19:32,880
big so that one. When Joel Embid is invariably out,

1626
01:19:33,159 --> 01:19:36,560
you're not just in Theandre Drummond business or Yabu Sally business.

1627
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:38,920
You go a bunch of different directions. But I think

1628
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:43,319
the actual move, like overall, would be a first round

1629
01:19:43,359 --> 01:19:49,159
pick outgoing salary for player X. That cracks a high

1630
01:19:49,199 --> 01:19:51,079
part of our So two names that's bring to mind

1631
01:19:51,079 --> 01:19:54,920
for me is DORIANE. Phinney Smith, So you have Kelly

1632
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:58,760
Bridge Junior kJ Martin include a first get Dorinehiny Smith

1633
01:19:59,239 --> 01:20:01,680
or a what about this because I think he could

1634
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:05,560
play next to Embiid, But like would Isaiah Stewart tickle

1635
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:06,880
your fancy at all? Of your Philly?

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Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting because he can play both the four

1637
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:14,960
the five. He can stretch a little bit defensively, he's

1638
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training upwards, solid rebounder.

1639
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Speaker 1: I guess it presumes that he would stretch a little bit.

1640
01:20:19,279 --> 01:20:23,640
They've punted on his three point volume, and I know, yeah, yeah, but.

1641
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:26,319
Speaker 2: Like you, you know, he showed enough career wise that

1642
01:20:26,319 --> 01:20:29,920
I trust him right right, Like I'm not I'm not

1643
01:20:30,119 --> 01:20:34,880
nervous about him not taking threes anywhere else, so on it. Yeah,

1644
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,640
I think you can mimic some of the same sets

1645
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with EMBIID obviously with less efficiency and less effectivity, but

1646
01:20:43,199 --> 01:20:46,119
but you can to a certain point. That means I

1647
01:20:46,159 --> 01:20:48,039
don't hate that. I say, a stort is a good name.

1648
01:20:48,039 --> 01:20:52,039
He's also young, so like if things tend to go poorly,

1649
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:56,119
he's on that Tyrese Max Chared McCain timeline. Yeah, I

1650
01:20:56,199 --> 01:20:57,000
like that. That's a good thing.

1651
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Speaker 1: And he's Look, he's Detroit's best big with all the

1652
01:21:00,039 --> 01:21:01,760
back to jail and Durham. The problem is that he's

1653
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:03,399
not someone who's ever gonna play a ton of minutes.

1654
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:06,159
It seems like Philly's almost the better fit. Detroit's like

1655
01:21:06,199 --> 01:21:08,279
too good to think in terms of let's just get

1656
01:21:08,399 --> 01:21:11,119
they could use extra first round picks. But if I'm Detroit,

1657
01:21:11,159 --> 01:21:13,000
I'm probably not doing it for one first round pick.

1658
01:21:13,039 --> 01:21:14,800
If if the Clippers pick, then we have a discussion.

1659
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:17,439
But I'm not giving up the Clippers pick if I'm Philly.

1660
01:21:18,159 --> 01:21:21,039
But Philly is almost a better not a better spot

1661
01:21:21,039 --> 01:21:23,159
for him. But like, Detroit needs a big that could

1662
01:21:23,159 --> 01:21:25,159
play a bunch of minutes, and it doesn't seem like

1663
01:21:25,199 --> 01:21:27,039
Jaeln Durnan or Isaiah Stewart are ever gonna do more

1664
01:21:27,079 --> 01:21:30,359
than kind of split that share. And in Philly it's okay, Well,

1665
01:21:30,359 --> 01:21:33,000
you don't need Isaiah Stewart to play a ton of minutes.

1666
01:21:33,199 --> 01:21:36,600
Speaker 2: So are there sixers driving the trade deadline at all?

1667
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Or are they more along the lines.

1668
01:21:38,399 --> 01:21:40,520
Speaker 3: With the Knicks that we had before, where Yeah, I think,

1669
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:44,159
look they're drivers because I think if you're sellers, yeah,

1670
01:21:44,199 --> 01:21:47,000
who have like any sort of wing or combo forward,

1671
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:49,520
maybe even like a guard with size.

1672
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 1: You were probably hoping that Philly's asset stash was going

1673
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:56,000
to be something on which you could capitalize, and now

1674
01:21:56,319 --> 01:21:59,439
they've added I think at the beginning of the season,

1675
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:01,760
or at least the the offseason, you definitely said they

1676
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:03,800
are going to make a move or two and they're

1677
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:06,359
gonna trade multiple first round picks to do it, and

1678
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:09,439
now it's well, are they and so they've added this

1679
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:13,079
degree of uncertainty to it that I think if your sellers,

1680
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:15,520
I bet you. Even Washington was like, hey, maybe like

1681
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:17,960
we'll get one of their first for Kyle Kuzma or something.

1682
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:19,920
If they want to step ladder their way up. There

1683
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:23,880
a tougher salary to meet. I honestly do believe that teams.

1684
01:22:24,119 --> 01:22:25,680
Not that they assumed they would be the team the

1685
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:28,319
Sixers would break bread with, but they were a team

1686
01:22:28,319 --> 01:22:32,119
that's prospective sellers look at and say, there's movable first

1687
01:22:32,199 --> 01:22:35,319
round picks there that will be moved, and so we're

1688
01:22:35,359 --> 01:22:37,640
gonna try and wait that out and see how it

1689
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:41,439
is resolved. Okay, those were our Eastern Conference teams that

1690
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:45,079
are most fascinating to us ahead of the twenty twenty

1691
01:22:45,079 --> 01:22:48,119
five NBA trade deadline. We will be doing a second

1692
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:51,880
podcast where we talk about our most interesting Western Conference teams.

1693
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:54,960
Because we went double up what we were supposed to do.

1694
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:56,479
We said we were gonna do forty five minutes on

1695
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:58,199
the East and forty five minutes on the West, and

1696
01:22:58,239 --> 01:23:01,560
we did about close to ninety minutes. On, so everybody's

1697
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:04,960
getting extra content out of this. Hopefully you appreciate it more, though,

1698
01:23:05,319 --> 01:23:08,399
Can you just tell our fantastic listeners if they are

1699
01:23:08,399 --> 01:23:10,479
not already listening to you or reading you, where they

1700
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:11,920
can find you and all your great work.

1701
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:15,520
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for having me really appreciate it.

1702
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:18,880
You can find my work at the NBA Podcast first

1703
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:22,520
and foremost, where you are a frequent guest. You can

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01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:25,239
also find a work where we're at Yaher Sports, Sports

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Illustrated and Forms.

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Speaker 1: Until next time, and as always, I've everyrie to shout

1707
01:23:30,199 --> 01:23:32,520
out to one the only the indelible. Not available for

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01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:34,000
trade right now, but you might be able to be

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signed at some point, mister Frank nili Kina