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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.

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Journalist and author John Sweeney has recently released a book

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about Glaine Maxwell, and today we're going to talk about

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that book a little bit and talk about the review

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of that book that The Telegraph has put out. So

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let's get to it. Headline Hunting Gallaine Review Queasy Biography

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of an abuser who saw sex as currency. John Sweeney's

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new book sheds fresh light on Maxwell's servile, abusive relationship

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with her father, but it's prose will make you cringe. Now.

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I haven't read this book yet. I'll probably grab it

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off of Audible and get to it in the next

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few weeks, as I try to do with most of

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these books that come out covering this topic. So I

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don't have much to offer in the way of personal

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experience as far as reading the book yet, but I

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found this review to be relatively interesting. This article was

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authored by Mick Brown with Glenn Maxwell, now confined to

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a cell in Florida's Tallahassee Federal Correctional Institute, serving a

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sentence of twenty years for conspiring with Jeffrey Epstein to

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sexually abuse minors and with the names of those wealthy

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and powerful men to whom it is alleged Epstein peddled

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sexual favors. Still waiting disclosure comes yet another chapter in

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this most horrific saga. Well, that's pretty much spot on

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horrific saga. For sure. She definitely has some names that

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nobody is aware of or that people need confirmation of.

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The question is would she ever play ball? And so

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far it certainly seems like the answer to that question

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is no. Hunting. Golaine by the investigative journalist John Sweeney,

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is based on Sweeney's popular twenty twenty podcast of the

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same name. It's a story with which we are all familiar,

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overly familiar, perhaps, But while Sweeney draws copiously on the

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extensive reporting done by others, his book, carefully researched and

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written in a breezy journalize, casts a new light on

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the complex character of Glaine Maxwell and her fateful relationship

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with Epstein and her father. So my guess is we're

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going to rehash a bunch of old territory here, maybe

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get some you know, new information, a tidbit here, there,

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some insight, but the overall story is what it is.

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There is no excuse under this sun for Maxwell to

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engage in the abuse that she engaged in. Robert Maxwell

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was untamable, dangerous, unpredictable, with power. Over All, he surveyed

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physically huge, brutal, narcissistic, and sadistic. He was hated by

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almost everybody he came into contact with, except for the

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youngest of his nine children, Glaine, whom he apparently adored

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but not enough to restrain his bully and frequent beatings. Look,

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some people are just like that. There are some people

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out there who shouldn't have children, And if you're gonna

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abuse your children, you, my friend, are one of those people.

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And it seems like Robert Maxwell was an abusive dickhead.

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Sweeney offers fresh light here. We think of Glaine as

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Maxwell's spoilt favorite, which she was, yet at the same

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time he treated her appallingly. Nothing was too good for her,

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but nothing she did would ever be good enough for him.

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Her adoration seems almost Stockholm syndrome like. It is clear

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that Golayne was damaged long before her father toppled off

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the back of his one hundred and eighty foot luxury yacht.

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The Lady Golaine serendipitously avoiding the revelation that he had

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been in bezzling four hundred and sixty pounds from the

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Mire pension scheme, and again another coincidental suicide, if you will,

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surrounding the Maxwell Epstein's story. Now, am I gonna sit

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here and tell you that Robert Maxwell didn't take a

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topple off of that boat. No, I'm not. I don't know.

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I wasn't there, But it sure seems a bit suspect

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to me that on the evening basically of him being

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outed as in bezzling this money, he happens to quote

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unquote fall while he's taking a whiz off the side

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of his boat. Okay, I guess reading Sweeney's description of

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her hopelessly servile, horribly abusive relationship with her father, it

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is hard not to feel some sympathy for her, a

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sentiment quickly extinguished when you consider that she has shown

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no sympathy nor remorse for the young girl she pimped

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on Epstein's behalf. You mean abuse on Epstein's behalf. Right,

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I'm not gonna give her the out by saying, oh,

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she's just the pimp. That's not what she was. That

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would infer that these women were being sold. They weren't

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being sold. Jeffrey Epstein was providing this quote unquote service,

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if you will, so that he could get information from

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these encounters. So it wasn't like Heidi Flice. You couldn't

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pick up the phone and call Jeffrey Epstein and be like, hey,

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send me a girl for a buck fifty. That wasn't

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what he was doing. Sweeney explores the theories about Epstein

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having laundered Robert Maxwell's ill gotten gains without ever getting

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to the bottom of it, but it seems clear that

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Glen knew Epstein or of him before she flew to

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New York in the wake of her father's death. She

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became Epstein's lover and the manager of his various homes,

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although they never cohabitated. He had his mansion and she

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had the mansion he bought four. The whole thing about

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her not knowing Epstein until she got to New York

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is a bunch of bub kiss. They knew each other. Now,

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were they intimately friendly, I don't know, but they certainly

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knew who each other were and of each other. In

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a sense, they were made for each other. He was

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the powerful male figure and key to a life of

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luxury that she had lost when Robert Maxwell went overboard.

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She had a rolodex of connections, not least Prince Andrew,

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who could provide the shady financier pedophile with a veneer

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of social respectability and cachet. That's what he was looking for,

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That's certainly part of it. He wanted to be accepted

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in all of those circles, and he knew that his

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money alone wouldn't get him there, and he couldn't connive

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his way there. So he needed the vehicle to get

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into these social circles, and that was Glen Maxwell. Then

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there was the shared interest in sex. Epstein, as Donald

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According to one visitor, there was only one book on

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view on his home, the Marquis de Sades, The Misfortune

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of Virtue. And I'm sure most of you are familiar

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with the Marquis de Sade and his right, probably not

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the only book you'd want hanging out on the shelf.

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Gallan was a partying girl, vivacious fun and, in Sweeney's words,

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a sextup big time, perhaps carried away by the tawdriness

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of the subject matter. Sweeney's writing can sometimes veer alarmingly

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to a sort of Mickey Splaine readucks. Kevin Maxwell's spirited

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wife Pandora is described as his ballsy squeeze. Hey, look

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a little flowery Uh. Wordplay is never a bad idea

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for a book. At the end of the day, you

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have to entertain. If you're writing a book, people have

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to be entertained by it. One female acquaintance recalls a

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party at Robert Maxwell's posh council house, Headington Hall, rented

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from the local authority, where Glaine organized a game of

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Guess Who's in which the men would be blindfolded and

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the women remove their bras to be fondled and groped.

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Glane says she saw sex simply as a currency. Another

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puts it more bluntly, saying she was obsessed. And there's

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been a lot of stories about this instance and that

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game that she allegedly set up and how uncomfortable it

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made some people. But my guess is a lot of

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people weren't uncomfortable by it because a lot of people

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share her proclivities. They might not be outed yet, but

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there's a lot of sick people out there, folks, and

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a lot of them are in so called polite society.

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Puritanism sickens the soul, Sweeney writes, per slipt, and I

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am no puritan. But the evidence is clear that Glen's

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sexuality was charged unusually so and under most circumstances. I

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don't care. If you want to be a sexual person,

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you want to go out and you want to have

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sex with people, that's your business. What do I care?

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As long as people are consenting. But that's what we're

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talking about here, right, A bunch of girls who didn't consent.

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In New York, under Epstein's sway, she would go on

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hunting expeditions for adolescent girls, ostensibly to audition them as models.

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I've got to go get the new Biles, she told

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one of Epstein's employees, meaning Maria Farmer. Maria Farmer told

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us all about the new Biles and what Glenn Maxwell

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used to say to her. A number of girls subsequently

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turned up at his house wearing school uniforms and braces

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on their teeth. Sweeney methodically chronicles the steps of grooming,

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spotting the victim as being vulnerable, unstable from a broken home,

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the friendly approach, the offer of a job, advancement or

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simply ready cash. The seemingly innocent suggestion of giving Epstein

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a massage, the ensuing abuse and entrapment. And that's how

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it all worked out. You go over there, it starts

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out with a massage. Before you know it, you're caught

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up in the web, and you're not only being abused,

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you're bringing your friends over to be abused as well.

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Sweeney theorizes that, like a cult victim, just as Glaine

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could never bring herself to believe her father was the monster,

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he probably wond so she blinded herself to Epstein's depravity,

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even as she became a willing accomplice to it. I

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don't see it that way, sorry, no way. She knew

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exactly what she was doing, and she did it with

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all the gusto in the world. A former acquaintance sees

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it differently, observing that Glaine would not be the first

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woman who possesses sexual piccadillo of sharing women with her boyfriend.

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Underlying all of that was her libertarian sexual appetites that

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played a lot into it. She had her own proclivities,

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Here's no doubt, There is no doubt about it. The

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book has the feeling of being written in a hurry,

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the structure is frequently haphazard, it is poorly edited. The

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breezy tone begins to great. In a list of scientists

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courted by Epstein, who was apparently interested in cryogenics and

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wanted his brain and penis frozen, Stephen Hawking is described

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as the late great astronomer, Oliver Sachs as the brain boffin.

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Both men attended parties thrown by Epstein, where the kinapes

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were handed out by stunningly beautiful models out of a catalog.

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Pondering why the boffins allowed themselves to be courted by

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such a transparent chancer as Epstein, Sweeney writes, clever men

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can be rubbish about sex who knew prudently, adding there is,

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of course no evidence that any of the stellar intellects

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committed any wrongdoing, well except for the ones that Virginia

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has pointed to. How about those guys? Probably a few

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questions to ask them. Sweeney strengths as a reporter showed

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themselves in his account of Maxwell's trial, forensically detailing the

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abuse that occurred at Epstein's numerous properties, the degree of

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her complicity in the crimes, and the cruelty in her denials,

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effectively making the victims suffer twice over and having to

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relive their abuse in court. Maxwell refused to take the

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stand in her defense, telling the judge that the case

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against her had not been proved beyond a reasonable doubt

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the truth. Sweeney writes, if she knew she would be

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ripped to shreds, that's a fact. She knew that if

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she got up there, she would be absolutely hammered and

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absolutely destroyed by the prosecution. Among the wealth of evidence

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presented to the court was the Palm Beach Etiquette Manual,

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including a list of toiletries that Epstein insisted as staff

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kept in stock. One item catches the eye Birberry Baby

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Touch soothing massage oil. Somehow, nothing quite encapsulates the full

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horror of what Epstein did and Maxwell's part in it,

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more than the thought of that. Well. That is a

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review from the Telegraph on the new John Sweeney book.

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Now I haven't read it myself, like I said, but

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I plan on reading it very soon. So there you

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have it, folks. If you're looking for some more information

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you want to gobble down another book, there's one for you.

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As for me, that's gonna do it for this episode.

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