1 00:00:18,359 --> 00:00:21,039 Speaker 1: And we are back with another edition of the Federalist 2 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,519 Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, senior Elections correspondent at The 3 00:00:24,519 --> 00:00:29,000 Federalist and your experienced Shirpa on today's quest for Knowledge. 4 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,000 As always, you can email the show at radio at 5 00:00:32,039 --> 00:00:36,039 the Federalist dot com, follow us on x at fdr LST, 6 00:00:36,719 --> 00:00:39,439 make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcast, and 7 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,119 of course to the premium version of our website as well. 8 00:00:43,679 --> 00:00:47,560 Our guest today is Judicial Watch attorney Christina bob former 9 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,880 attorney to the Trump campaign, senior counsel to the Republican 10 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:56,799 National Committee's Election Integrity Section, and author of a powerful 11 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:01,039 new book, Defiant Inside the marl Lago Aid and the 12 00:01:01,159 --> 00:01:06,920 lefts ongoing lawfare. The book details the links the left 13 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,920 will go to to maintain power, and a call to 14 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,159 action for Americans who refuse to let their country be 15 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,439 lost to tyranny. Christina, thank you so much for joining 16 00:01:17,519 --> 00:01:20,040 us on this edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. 17 00:01:20,519 --> 00:01:22,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for having me. I'm thrilled 18 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:22,959 to be here. Yeah. 19 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: Absolutely, this is, as I said, a powerful book about 20 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,120 the events of the last few years in this country 21 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:37,280 driven by absolute Trump derangement. Syndrome by a left that 22 00:01:37,599 --> 00:01:44,799 is craven and absolutely entirely interested in regaining power and 23 00:01:44,879 --> 00:01:49,560 now relevance in America. And this book, of course comes 24 00:01:49,599 --> 00:01:57,439 out as we are dealing with the tragic assassination, the 25 00:01:58,799 --> 00:02:04,719 awful of Charlie Kirk, a young man who has become 26 00:02:04,719 --> 00:02:09,759 a conservative icon, not only a leader in free speech 27 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:16,840 and the conservative MAGA movement values, but an upstanding Christian 28 00:02:16,879 --> 00:02:19,879 who lived his faith. I want to start there. Do 29 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:25,319 you believe, as you have experienced personally in all of this, 30 00:02:26,159 --> 00:02:29,599 that the violence that we are seeing in America today, 31 00:02:29,599 --> 00:02:33,000 the political violence that we are seeing against the right 32 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,240 in America, is the natural outcrop of what we've seen 33 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,240 over the last several years what you've written about. 34 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think that is the end goal. 35 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,680 They don't they being the left. And to be fair, 36 00:02:45,719 --> 00:02:48,719 it's not truly accurate to divide us by left and right. 37 00:02:48,759 --> 00:02:51,000 There's a lot of Republicans that are part of the problem, 38 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:56,919 but that's the easier way to do it. But it 39 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,520 started with censorship, right, They just didn't want us to 40 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,599 be able to say, and they tried to silence us, 41 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,360 and then they tried to bankrupt us with law fair. 42 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,919 I was part of the dominion lawsuits that thankfully that 43 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,560 was dismissed, but we've seen so many other people sued, 44 00:03:11,759 --> 00:03:16,080 you know, into bankruptcy. They tried to defame us and 45 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,080 say we're crazy conspiracy theorists and you shouldn't believe anything 46 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,439 we say because we're weird. You know, that was basically 47 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,199 the message. And then they still not only could they 48 00:03:24,199 --> 00:03:27,599 not stop us, but the Conservative I didn't even want 49 00:03:27,599 --> 00:03:29,520 to call it a movement. I don't think anybody intended 50 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,479 for it to be a movement, but that's what it is. 51 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:36,599 The Conservative movement was so big and gaining in popularity 52 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:41,039 that they've resorted to murder. They tried to assassinate Donald Trump, 53 00:03:41,159 --> 00:03:45,680 they did assassinate Charlie Kirk, and I mean they they're 54 00:03:45,879 --> 00:03:50,120 losing on every issue, on every policy issue, and they're 55 00:03:50,159 --> 00:03:53,199 refusing to let go of power. They're refusing to have 56 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,560 a real democratic process, which is the voice of the people. 57 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,159 They they want to prevent us from securing our elections. 58 00:04:03,199 --> 00:04:05,759 They want to allow illegals to vote. I mean, at 59 00:04:05,759 --> 00:04:10,719 this point, you know, at this point, everything's out the window. 60 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,680 All the rights and privileges that we have held. Dear 61 00:04:13,719 --> 00:04:17,199 they're trying to eliminate them for well over half the 62 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,920 country just to try to solidify their power. 63 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is troubling. And we think about in particular 64 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:30,879 President Donald Trump. You note, and I think you're absolutely correct. 65 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,439 I mean, in some ways, this is an absolute miracle 66 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:39,480 that he became, you know, historically speaking the Grover Cleveland 67 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,519 of the twenty first century, that he had a second term, because, 68 00:04:42,959 --> 00:04:47,079 let's face it, they did everything they possibly could to 69 00:04:47,199 --> 00:04:50,279 shut this man down, to take him out of politics. 70 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:54,879 They tried to illegally, unconstitutionally driving from the twenty twenty 71 00:04:54,879 --> 00:05:01,839 four primary ballot. They tried to they did indict him, 72 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:08,800 they arrest him, they took mug shots of him, you know, 73 00:05:09,079 --> 00:05:15,639 they ran kangaroo courts to convict him of bogus crimes, 74 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,800 and then they tried to kill him in a field 75 00:05:19,399 --> 00:05:25,639 in Butler, Pennsylvania, July of twenty twenty four. Literally, they 76 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:30,680 will stop at nothing. But it is not just Donald Trump. 77 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:35,079 It is anyone who is considered an ally of Donald Trump. 78 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,800 And you're exactly were you were, and you live that. 79 00:05:39,639 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right. And that is I think what 80 00:05:42,639 --> 00:05:44,720 is so important for people to understand today and I 81 00:05:44,759 --> 00:05:47,800 think many people are waking up to this realization when 82 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,399 Donald Trump says, They're not after me, they're after you. 83 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,720 I'm just in the way. This is what he's talking about. 84 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,959 In my book Defiant Inside the Marloguo Rate and the 85 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,720 Left song Going Lawfair is all about that. President Trump 86 00:06:00,759 --> 00:06:03,000 did the forward for it because and he says there, 87 00:06:03,079 --> 00:06:05,680 he's like, I want everybody to know the story. This 88 00:06:05,879 --> 00:06:08,399 is why he's doing what he's doing, because they come 89 00:06:08,439 --> 00:06:10,920 after us. I'm still a criminal defendant as we cheet, 90 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,480 and they will destroy your life. They'll destroy your reputation, 91 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,240 they'll destroy your career, They'll do everything they can to 92 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:23,680 ruin you, just for power. And Donald Trump really is 93 00:06:24,879 --> 00:06:29,160 the largest one holding them back, stemming that tide, giving 94 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:34,560 space for the rest of us to continue to push back. So, 95 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,399 I mean it is a miracle, I do. I mean, yeah, 96 00:06:39,439 --> 00:06:41,240 I chalk it up to the grace of God, because 97 00:06:41,639 --> 00:06:45,600 how he's still alive is a miracle. And the fact 98 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,040 that we were able to secure the election enough. I 99 00:06:49,079 --> 00:06:51,120 don't by any mean think it was secure, but it 100 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:52,720 was a heck of a lot better than twenty twenty 101 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,480 to get him back in office. And I mean, this 102 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,839 is This is an incredibly, incredibly important fight and what 103 00:07:00,879 --> 00:07:04,480 they're doing, and this is what the regular media, the 104 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,759 mainstream media, is not actually reporting on. So I thank 105 00:07:06,759 --> 00:07:10,160 you for allowing me to use your platform. They're not 106 00:07:10,319 --> 00:07:12,839 telling you the stories of everyday Americans. I have friends 107 00:07:12,839 --> 00:07:15,120 that have lost homes because they can't pay their legal 108 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,199 bills and their home. I have friends that have lost 109 00:07:18,279 --> 00:07:22,279 their families, their marriages because the pressure of the legal 110 00:07:22,319 --> 00:07:26,360 bills and the accusations, and then you know, family members 111 00:07:26,439 --> 00:07:28,839 questioning whether the accusations are true or not, so they 112 00:07:28,879 --> 00:07:32,439 lose their families. I mean, they're just they're intentionally destroying 113 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:38,160 people's lives because they can't win on policy. And Americans 114 00:07:38,319 --> 00:07:41,480 need to understand that Donald Trump has got to clean 115 00:07:41,519 --> 00:07:43,680 this out this term, and we have to have a 116 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,360 strong enough backbone to allow him to do that. And 117 00:07:46,439 --> 00:07:48,759 the way he does that is by prosecuting these people. 118 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,240 And you mentioned this just a few minutes ago. They 119 00:07:52,279 --> 00:07:56,120 have demonstrated that they are not going to stop unless 120 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,680 they are stopped, and that's what we need Donald Trump 121 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,920 to do. We need Donald Trump to stop them from 122 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,319 this crazy rampage that they're on. And the way you 123 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,759 do it is a couple very good, well placed indictments 124 00:08:08,839 --> 00:08:11,800 and prosecutions. I'm not saying I have to prosecute everybody. 125 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,959 I would very much love to put all of this 126 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,319 law fair behind us. And I don't believe that any 127 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:23,240 lawsuits or prosecutions aimed at the people actually committing crimes 128 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,079 is lawfair. That's actually the proper use of the justice system. 129 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,120 But we have to allow that to play out because 130 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,120 it's the only it's the only way they'll stop. They're 131 00:08:33,159 --> 00:08:35,759 not stopping at anything else. They're not stopping when they're 132 00:08:35,759 --> 00:08:38,519 exposed as frauds. They just continue to lie and so 133 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,279 they I mean, someone need to stand up in jail. 134 00:08:42,919 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: Indeed, and in the backdrop of all of this, we 135 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,519 saw this, particularly in the twenty twenty four election. You 136 00:08:48,879 --> 00:08:52,519 say the mainstream media, I don't think there's anything mainstream 137 00:08:52,519 --> 00:08:54,960 about them. I think they're the accomplice media. I think 138 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:59,080 they're right propagan depress, the prov depress if you really 139 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,279 want to look at this, because they represent the Marxist 140 00:09:02,399 --> 00:09:05,200 movement in America, which has become the Democratic Party. They're 141 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,600 the public relations firm for the Democratic Party. All of 142 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:14,080 that said, in context, they are the same media, the 143 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:18,159 same corporate media that has pushed the absolute and it 144 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,279 turns out ultimately violent lie that Donald Trump is akin 145 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:30,600 to Adolph Hitler, a Nazi, the Republicans in this country 146 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,480 that Donald Trump, and I say, the Conservatives, the true 147 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,120 maga conservatives in this country, that they're the real threat 148 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:44,240 to democracy. But your lived experience and the reporting the 149 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,159 remind us of recent history, I think really shows us 150 00:09:48,919 --> 00:09:52,320 where the real threat to democracy is. And isn't that 151 00:09:53,399 --> 00:09:58,039 absolutely at the center of your book to sound an 152 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:02,360 alarm to let everyone know that, yes, there is a 153 00:10:02,399 --> 00:10:05,919 threat to democracy. It's the lawfare that's going on from 154 00:10:06,039 --> 00:10:09,159 the left. It is, you know, everything they are doing 155 00:10:09,639 --> 00:10:15,720 to stop duly elected you know, public officials from doing 156 00:10:15,759 --> 00:10:16,279 their job. 157 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, no, I mean that's exactly right. So the 158 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,039 book takes you behind the scenes of all of the 159 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,440 Jack Smith investigations, which I mean, there's so much to 160 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,320 unravel about. As you were talking about earlier, they brought 161 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:35,039 these kangaroo courts trying to manufacture convictions. They were lying 162 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,200 to the public, they lied to the court, they lied 163 00:10:38,279 --> 00:10:42,200 to the judge. I mean, the story that we were 164 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,759 all fed between twenty twenty and twenty twenty four about 165 00:10:45,799 --> 00:10:50,399 Donald Trump is an outright lie, everything about it. And 166 00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:53,679 I was President Trump's custodian of record from formar a 167 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,960 lago during all of that. I was a staff attorney 168 00:10:57,879 --> 00:11:01,879 and brought into be a witness in this case. And 169 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,360 it is night and day what actually happened. One of 170 00:11:05,399 --> 00:11:08,720 the things that I think wasn't reported well. And this 171 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,840 is what you were talking about the media basically being 172 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,320 an accomplice. This is what made me think of it 173 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,879 is that no one was really reporting that back in 174 00:11:18,879 --> 00:11:21,000 twenty twenty two when the raid went down and when 175 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,600 they were all trying to say, oh, he was doing 176 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,840 something weird with classified documents, which he wasn't. There was 177 00:11:25,879 --> 00:11:28,679 never anything illegal about any of his activity or his 178 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,840 possession of the documents, whether they were classified or not. 179 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:32,440 As a complete red herring, it didn't matter. 180 00:11:32,639 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't he didn't hold his documents in 181 00:11:37,159 --> 00:11:41,559 his garage. His open garage next to his ship is 182 00:11:41,799 --> 00:11:44,399 cool yellow corvette. You mean he didn't pay that. 183 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 3: Okay, he didn't do that, But quite honestly, even if 184 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,480 he had, I don't think that that was I don't 185 00:11:49,519 --> 00:11:52,799 think that's the legal I mean, the presidential record for him, 186 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,679 because he was the president. The Presidential Records Act is 187 00:11:55,799 --> 00:11:58,440 very clear that it's the president and only the president 188 00:11:58,480 --> 00:11:59,960 who determines. 189 00:11:59,519 --> 00:12:01,279 Speaker 2: What he takes with him and what he leaves. And 190 00:12:01,399 --> 00:12:04,480 Judicial Watch actually challenged that back in twenty twelve with 191 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,840 the Clinton administration and Amy Bourman Jackson, DC judge appointed 192 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:12,240 by Obama, said no, I mean it's the president. Nobody 193 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,279 else gets to tell the president what to do with 194 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:19,480 his records. And so the whole document's case was completely manufactured. 195 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:24,080 And the part that wasn't covered well is everything was 196 00:12:24,159 --> 00:12:28,600 done and directed from Washington, d C. Not Florida. And 197 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,200 everyone sees it as the Florida case because Jacksmith ultimately 198 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,679 brought the case in Florida. But at the time when 199 00:12:33,759 --> 00:12:38,519 they were doing the investigation, all of the lead prosecutors 200 00:12:38,519 --> 00:12:41,799 and everybody were in Washington, d C. The grand jury 201 00:12:41,799 --> 00:12:44,519 to get the original subpoena was in Washington, d C. 202 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,799 I lived in Florida, worked in Florida, met with the 203 00:12:48,799 --> 00:12:50,720 President of Florida. I met with DOJ and the FBI 204 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:52,879 two months prior to the raid in Florida. All my 205 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,120 discussions were in Florida. Everything took place in Florida. Yet 206 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:00,080 when I got subpoena to testify, and when I had to, 207 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,039 you know, go to the FBI and Department of Justice 208 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:07,080 to get interrogated, I had to come to Washington, d C. 209 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,120 To do that. They were trying to create like a 210 00:13:10,159 --> 00:13:14,320 Hillary Clinton espionage scandal surrounding Donald Trump to prosecute him 211 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:15,960 for it. But at the end of the day, they 212 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,879 could not even get probable cause for a crime in DC. 213 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,279 To get an indictment in Washington, d C. I mean, 214 00:13:22,279 --> 00:13:24,279 we all know the saying you can indict a ham sandwich. 215 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,200 They couldn't even get that for Donald Trump. So now 216 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,200 you have the whole world staring at them, going, so, 217 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,399 why the heck did you raid mar Alago? So they 218 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:36,960 had to move the case down to Florida to create 219 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,919 like an obstruction of justice case that everybody knew was 220 00:13:39,919 --> 00:13:41,840 never going to go anywhere. Donald Trump was in lawful 221 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,679 possession of everything. It was going to get thrown out. 222 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,919 But they had to do it to cover their tracks. 223 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,519 Basically because they had already raided mar Alago. They were 224 00:13:49,519 --> 00:13:51,519 convinced that if they could just get into mar A 225 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,879 Lago and go through everything, they'd be able to figure 226 00:13:53,879 --> 00:13:56,840 out a way to frame him for a crime, and 227 00:13:56,879 --> 00:14:00,279 they couldn't. He just didn't have anything. And so even 228 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,080 though the grand jury, all the testimony, everything was in Washington, 229 00:14:03,159 --> 00:14:06,399 d C. They couldn't even present the issue to the 230 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,200 grand jury because there was no issue for them to present. 231 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,960 So they shift gears, and you know, but that's not 232 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,799 something that the mainstream media will tell you. They won't 233 00:14:15,799 --> 00:14:17,759 tell you. Oh, look, they failed to get an indictment 234 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:22,559 in Washington, d C. So they had to move to Florida. 235 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 4: Gen Z's behavior in the workplace is staggering. The Watch 236 00:14:26,399 --> 00:14:29,200 doot on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski. Every day 237 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,279 Chris helps unpack the connection between politics and the economy 238 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,279 and how it affects your wallet. Seventy seven percent of 239 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,200 gen Z admitted to bring a parent to a job interview, 240 00:14:38,399 --> 00:14:41,159 while seventy three percent of parents help them complete their 241 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,399 work assignments. Should this be a sure way to get fired? 242 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,480 Whether it's happening in DC or down on Wall Street, 243 00:14:46,519 --> 00:14:47,720 it's affecting you financially. 244 00:14:47,799 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: Be informed. 245 00:14:48,399 --> 00:14:50,519 Speaker 4: Check out the Watchdout on Wall Street podcast with Chris 246 00:14:50,559 --> 00:14:53,600 Markowski on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. 247 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's appalling on so many different levels, and 248 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:03,120 I think, ultimately, as I have seen as an investigative 249 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:08,080 reporter for many years investigating the tactics of the left, 250 00:15:08,279 --> 00:15:13,159 the process is the punishment. I mean, ultimately, they wanted 251 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:17,240 to see President Trump go to prison. I don't doubt 252 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:21,759 that for one minute. But what if they couldn't do that, 253 00:15:22,039 --> 00:15:24,799 at least they could create the narrative with the help 254 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:30,159 of the accomplice media, that you know, the president is 255 00:15:30,879 --> 00:15:35,320 a criminal and he's done something so terrible. Here speaking 256 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:39,080 of the tactics, you write in detail about what the 257 00:15:39,159 --> 00:15:42,559 FBI did at mar A Lago. We've heard and seen 258 00:15:42,759 --> 00:15:47,120 some of the details, but you go into, you know, 259 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:53,159 exacting detail of some of the very public tactics. Everything 260 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:57,440 again done to show something that wasn't there. 261 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,159 Speaker 2: That's exactly right. I've got the messages, the emails, all 262 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,759 of my dialogue, all my discussion with the Department of 263 00:16:04,879 --> 00:16:09,480 Justice and FBI prior to and during the raid. I 264 00:16:09,559 --> 00:16:12,840 give you all the dirty details, and I think people 265 00:16:12,879 --> 00:16:15,759 will be appalled at how different the story is. It's 266 00:16:15,799 --> 00:16:18,320 not the story that the media told you, you know, 267 00:16:18,799 --> 00:16:20,879 when they wanted you to believe that Donald Trump was 268 00:16:20,919 --> 00:16:24,879 a criminal. So yeah, I've got it all in there. 269 00:16:24,919 --> 00:16:30,039 I've got my conversations with the president in there. At 270 00:16:30,039 --> 00:16:32,480 the end of the day, there just was no crime. 271 00:16:32,559 --> 00:16:34,799 There absolutely was no crime, and they destroyed the lives 272 00:16:34,799 --> 00:16:38,200 of really good people. I mean, he had they indicted. 273 00:16:38,879 --> 00:16:42,320 So they were trying to say, oh, he mishandled classified materials. 274 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,960 That's ultimately what they alleged. But Donald Trump never handled 275 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,360 any of the documents. They were in a storage room, 276 00:16:48,679 --> 00:16:52,120 and so they had to rope in a couple staff 277 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:56,200 members to say that they handled documents and that they 278 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,879 mishandled documents at the direction of the president, And I 279 00:17:00,639 --> 00:17:04,279 mean they completely lied. They didn't have anything that President 280 00:17:04,279 --> 00:17:07,079 Trump himself actually did, so they accused staff members of 281 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,640 doing it and destroyed their lives, gave them a criminal record. 282 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,200 I mean, it's just horrific what they did did to 283 00:17:15,279 --> 00:17:17,160 people on that case. And then, like I said, I've 284 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,559 still got my case in Arizona that's still pending. So 285 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:23,480 I mean it's really disgusting. 286 00:17:24,039 --> 00:17:26,559 Speaker 1: It is disgusting. And the question comes up, and I 287 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,359 remember this, I talk often about this because it was 288 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:35,160 such a not only a horrible nefarious thing in Wisconsin 289 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:42,039 back beginning in twenty ten, and extending through about twenty 290 00:17:42,279 --> 00:17:45,559 fifteen when the State Supreme Court came back in the 291 00:17:45,599 --> 00:17:51,640 nefarious John Doe investigation into then Governor Scott Walker and 292 00:17:51,799 --> 00:17:56,000 his allies and generally the conservative movement in the state 293 00:17:56,039 --> 00:18:02,759 of Wisconsin. It was ruled absolute on constitutional a sea 294 00:18:02,839 --> 00:18:08,319 of wrongs that were committed by bureaucrats and district attorneys, 295 00:18:09,079 --> 00:18:13,559 Democrats all of course, and it was a blueprint for 296 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:19,599 what we have seen in the Trump era. It is remarkable. 297 00:18:19,599 --> 00:18:23,160 But one of the questions that kept coming up after, 298 00:18:23,799 --> 00:18:28,480 you know, the people who were involved in these sweeping investigations, 299 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:33,160 in illegal investigations were found out, the question was where 300 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,880 do these people go to get their reputations back? And 301 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,119 I ask you, where do you go and tell us 302 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:44,960 a little bit about your experience? Is what is it? Arizona? 303 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:50,519 All of these this this bogus, as the accomplished media 304 00:18:50,559 --> 00:18:54,000 called it, fake elector alternate elector, which is an absolute 305 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:59,839 you know, it's a real thing. It's a legal strategy 306 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:03,200 that it's not only been used in recent years. It 307 00:19:03,279 --> 00:19:07,599 was used during the Kennedy Nixon election of nineteen sixty 308 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,319 and it was called for in the election of two 309 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:15,880 thousand by Gore's attorneys. But tell us a little bit 310 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,799 about that in the lawfair that you've experienced. 311 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's horrific. The media, as you said, 312 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,000 they deubbed it fake electors. There's nothing fake about it. 313 00:19:24,039 --> 00:19:28,079 All of these people were legitimate. They were elected or appointed, 314 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,440 depending on their state, to serve as Trump electors, and 315 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:37,119 they were legitimate, certified electors. The question became whether they 316 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,400 were supposed to be casting their vote for President Trump 317 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,440 on December fourteenth, twenty twenty, and the answers they had 318 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,960 a legal responsibility to do so because in all of 319 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,640 these states it was still in question, there were still 320 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,920 lawsuits pending that could have changed the outcome of the election, 321 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,680 and as a result, they needed to have their ballots 322 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:03,200 cast December fifteenth. I'm sorry, December fourteenth, because that's what 323 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,519 the law requires. The Electoral Account Act requires that the 324 00:20:05,559 --> 00:20:08,240 electors cast their vote on December fourteenth. So if they 325 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,200 had waited and then Donald Trump won, there would be 326 00:20:11,319 --> 00:20:16,200 no legally certifiable ballot to cast on January sixth to Congress. 327 00:20:16,559 --> 00:20:19,920 And so all of these cases were created in anticipation 328 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,880 of litigation, and everybody was forthright and honest about it. 329 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,720 I mean nothing was hidden. It was all over the news. 330 00:20:25,759 --> 00:20:27,680 I mean, everybody knew what was going on. You know. 331 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,240 The idea that somehow these electors were like trying to 332 00:20:31,279 --> 00:20:35,680 trick or deceive anybody is It's crazy. My experience is 333 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,400 even weirder because I was not an elector, and I 334 00:20:38,519 --> 00:20:42,119 was not an attorney advising the electors. I was a 335 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:47,440 reporter at the time, and I volunteered Rudy. Rudy Giuliani 336 00:20:47,559 --> 00:20:50,240 was doing the you know, the litigation challenges to the 337 00:20:50,279 --> 00:20:52,200 election on behalf of the president, and I said, hey, 338 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,039 you know, I see all of your attorneys have abandoned you. 339 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,480 I'm a lawyer. If you need help, I'll volunteer for 340 00:20:59,559 --> 00:21:02,319 you to support you and your litigation, which I did 341 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,319 from Washington, d C. I never went to any of 342 00:21:05,319 --> 00:21:07,839 these states, at least at that time. I did later 343 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,559 after the election was over, and you know, he brought 344 00:21:12,599 --> 00:21:14,759 me on his team. But I never had anything to 345 00:21:14,759 --> 00:21:17,160 do with electors. All I did was I was kind 346 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,319 of a point person for some of the litigation, just 347 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,759 because Rudy's hard to get ahold of, especially at that time. 348 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,759 But I never went to Arizona, at least at the 349 00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:28,920 relevant time. I never went to Arizona. I never spoke 350 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,440 with any of the electors about their status as an elector. 351 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,240 I never emailed anybody in Arizona. I had no contact 352 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:40,240 with the state whatsoever. But because I had been appointed 353 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,960 as the RNC Senior Council for Election Integrity for the 354 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,319 twenty twenty four election, the Arizona Attorney General thought I 355 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,279 would be a good person to rope into it because 356 00:21:50,279 --> 00:21:52,960 I was connected to Rudy Giuliani, and so she added 357 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,119 me to the indictment despite the fact that she had 358 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,680 no evidence of my involvement whatsoever. The only thing the 359 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,400 indictment says against me is that I was closely associated 360 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,599 with Rudy Giuliani, which I was, but not about any 361 00:22:05,599 --> 00:22:07,279 of the elector stuff. I didn't even know about it 362 00:22:07,319 --> 00:22:09,480 until they were executing their plan. 363 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,799 Speaker 1: So so literally a crime by association. 364 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what they did. As a reporter, I was 365 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,559 a reporter, and they lied to the grand jury about me. 366 00:22:19,839 --> 00:22:21,799 I mean they lied so many ways, which the indictment 367 00:22:21,839 --> 00:22:24,279 has been thrown out because it was a piece of garbage, 368 00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:27,920 and the judge said that she violated our constitutional rights. 369 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,920 So the indictment has been thrown out, but the case 370 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,559 is still open. The judge has not closed the case, 371 00:22:33,559 --> 00:22:37,200 which is very annoying. But anyway, yeah, I mean it's 372 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,200 a crime by association. And then they lied to the 373 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,279 grand jury. They told them I was a Trump attorney. 374 00:22:41,599 --> 00:22:43,400 I was not at the time. I didn't become a 375 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:48,160 Trump attorney until twenty twenty two. And they yeah, they 376 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:49,720 told them that I went to Arizona. They told him 377 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,359 I went to Arizona to hand out ballot. They just 378 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,200 made up a whole story that doesn't have any basis 379 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,559 in reality and said it to the grand jury. And 380 00:22:57,599 --> 00:23:00,000 then the grand jury even said, well, we don't understand 381 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,599 what her role was about me specifically, they said, what 382 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,559 was Christina's role in this? And they said, oh, don't worry, 383 00:23:05,599 --> 00:23:08,319 she was very deeply involved. So they basically said it 384 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,039 doesn't matter, just indict her anyway, and so they did. 385 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 3: So. 386 00:23:12,599 --> 00:23:16,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, so people belong in prison. I mean, the abuse 387 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:21,160 of the system is disgusting. It's beyond the pale. And 388 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,559 these people they're not going to stop. They're going to 389 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,680 keep doing it. They're going to keep doing it until 390 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,400 they are held accountable. 391 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,799 Speaker 1: Well, it is a prime example of exactly what we're 392 00:23:31,839 --> 00:23:36,680 talking about here, and the fact that they will indeed 393 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,119 stop at nothing. You think about the people who have 394 00:23:41,319 --> 00:23:46,160 sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution, the very principles 395 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:50,000 that we're fighting for today in this Republic, as we 396 00:23:50,079 --> 00:23:54,400 have done for the last two hundred nearly two hundred 397 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,240 and fifty years. You know, this is part and parcel 398 00:23:58,519 --> 00:24:03,079 of all of that. The book is called Defiant Inside 399 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,759 the mar A Lago Raid and the Left's Ongoing Law Fair, 400 00:24:06,839 --> 00:24:10,200 written by Judicial Watch attorney Christina Bob, a former attorney 401 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,039 to the Trump campaign. I should say you were you 402 00:24:14,079 --> 00:24:16,880 were an attorney to the Trump campaign and you know 403 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:21,240 and represented others in you know, post twenty twenty election. 404 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,240 Senior counsel to the Republican National Committee's Election Integrity section. 405 00:24:26,279 --> 00:24:29,279 We're going to get into election integrity as it was, 406 00:24:29,559 --> 00:24:31,599 where it is, and where it is going coming up 407 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,160 in just a moment, but just you know a little 408 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,359 bit more on what you have experienced and what others. 409 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:43,480 A man I know and respect deeply, a man by 410 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:48,079 the name of Jim troopis a former judge in daan Towny, Wisconsin. Yeah, 411 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,759 I mean in the you know, in the bastion of Madison, 412 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,440 the you know, the the liberal one of the liberal 413 00:24:54,519 --> 00:24:59,720 capitals of the world. The attorney general in the state 414 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:05,640 of was a far left political climber in Josh call 415 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,440 Is trying to and has now for the better part 416 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,839 more than a year, has tried to prosecute Jim Troopis 417 00:25:16,279 --> 00:25:21,000 and others simply for doing what you were doing representing 418 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,599 the President of the United States in his legal battles 419 00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:32,839 post twenty twenty election. And he has just been absolutely 420 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,279 dragged through on similar, similar issues that you're dealing with. 421 00:25:39,319 --> 00:25:41,480 What do you think about that? And not just Jim 422 00:25:41,519 --> 00:25:45,039 Troopers but there are so many now still fighting for 423 00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:48,880 their professional lives, fighting for their lives in general. 424 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, god, there's so much to that. Jim 425 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,599 Troopis man, he is a fighter. He's so great. Wisconsin 426 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:01,000 is one of the worst cases because Jim troopis one 427 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,119 he was on he was a judge and was on 428 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,160 the Wisconsin Bar Associated I think was the Bar Association. 429 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,240 He was on their ethics council. I mean, this guy, 430 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:15,519 he is so pristine, he's great. He's a very good, trustworthy, honest, 431 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:20,200 former judge. He's wonderful, and he was kind of running 432 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,240 or you know, as the story goes, he was running 433 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:29,079 point in Wisconsin for the election challenges for twenty twenty 434 00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:33,359 and he recognized that they needed these alternate slate of electors. 435 00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:38,279 So he went to Josh Call, the Attorney General of Wisconsin, 436 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,240 and said, hey, we're going to do this. I want 437 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,079 to get your approval beforehand, so that you understand what 438 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,359 we're doing and that you know there's no issues here. 439 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,960 Josh Call gave him approval. The attorney general back in 440 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,960 twenty twenty said yes, we understand what you need to do, 441 00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:55,160 that's find go ahead and do it. And so he 442 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,680 did that, and then four years later, excuse me in 443 00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:03,839 him and the thing that's really disgusting about it is 444 00:27:04,279 --> 00:27:07,759 he waited until after Donald Trump had won the twenty 445 00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:11,960 twenty four election before they actually issued the indictment. It 446 00:27:12,039 --> 00:27:15,920 was so petty and so like, we hate you, We 447 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,039 just want to make your lives miserable. I mean, that's 448 00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:21,720 what that was. He had approved the action, he said, yes, 449 00:27:21,759 --> 00:27:23,640 it's appropriate, we understand you need to do it, go 450 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,200 ahead and do it, and then he indicted him. Anyway, 451 00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:30,359 you know, four years later, after Donald Trump won the election, 452 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,319 just to kind of shove it in their face. I 453 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:37,359 mean it is Josh Call needs to be disbarred. He 454 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,119 probably needs to be prosecuted. And I mean, it's just 455 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,200 a horrific, horrific thing. And then that's just Wisconsin. Michigan, 456 00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:47,759 thankfully last week was just dismissed. But you have people 457 00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:50,920 in Michigan. Georgia is still open. Despite the fact that 458 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,839 Fanny Willis is crashing and burning, the case is still open. 459 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,079 Those poor people are still paying their lawyers every month, having, 460 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,319 you know, racking up legal fees. Nevada and Arizona are 461 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,000 also still open in addition to Wisconsin, Michigan, and Georgia. 462 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,880 So yeah, they're just doing everything they can to destroy 463 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:08,720 people's lives. 464 00:28:09,079 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: But at so many different turns we have seen courts 465 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,839 say I don't know what the crime is here. Obviously 466 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,759 you mentioned, you mentioned Michigan. You had again an attorney 467 00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:25,839 general in Wisconsin his office while Jim Troopis and Ken 468 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:31,519 Chesebro We're going through defending their client. Donald Trump said, yeah, 469 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,559 it's absolutely I mean, this is something that's been done 470 00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:38,160 before in terms of alternate electors, making sure that you 471 00:28:38,279 --> 00:28:42,920 secure your position just in case you win your legal challenges, 472 00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:47,880 which continued and continued after the election because they took 473 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:53,240 it to the Supreme Court. Nevada has their prosecution, you know, 474 00:28:53,319 --> 00:28:58,799 their bogus prosecution has suffered several setbacks. Arizona, as you mentioned, 475 00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:03,440 that's in play. But you know there are all kinds 476 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,160 of problems with those cases. So what is it finally 477 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,039 going to take for these people to get their lives 478 00:29:11,079 --> 00:29:13,440 back and to get justice. 479 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,839 Speaker 2: Well, I think you're exactly right. I think people need 480 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,720 to be prosecuted. They need to be prosecuted, and this 481 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,440 whole scheme needs to be exposed because this was this 482 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:28,319 was a Democrat political operative, not operative operation. This was 483 00:29:28,359 --> 00:29:32,759 a Democrat political operation to throw people in prison who 484 00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:39,400 opposed their objectives for the purpose of chilling the political process. 485 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,240 And we know that because they used they used the 486 00:29:42,279 --> 00:29:44,599 same playbook in all of these states. Georgia was a 487 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:49,039 little bit different, but Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona, and Nevada all 488 00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:52,759 brought in the same nonprofit. They used the same template 489 00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:57,079 that this nonprofit set up that is funded and was 490 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,279 originally what is the word they use, an initiat. It 491 00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:04,039 was an initiative of the Democrat Attorney General's Association. So 492 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,079 you basically have the Democrat Attorney General's Association saying, Hey, 493 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,759 prosecute all our political opponents. This is what's going on. 494 00:30:10,079 --> 00:30:12,200 It needs to be exposed. I mean, it just absolutely 495 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:13,880 needs to be exposed. And then people need to be 496 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,000 held accountable, meaning there needs to be prosecutions. 497 00:30:17,759 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: No doubt, we'll see, time will tell. Of course, we've 498 00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:24,200 lost I think at least I can speak for myself. 499 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,119 I've lost a great deal of faith in uh you 500 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,880 know that that leftist will ever truly be held accountable. 501 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,400 And I say that from from many, many years of 502 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:38,200 experience in reporting on these strategies and these tactics. It's 503 00:30:38,319 --> 00:30:42,400 lawfare that's been going on forever. Let's talk about what 504 00:30:43,359 --> 00:30:47,519 got us here. I suppose you know there was an 505 00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:56,119 entire narrative crafted by leftist initiatives, by so called good 506 00:30:56,559 --> 00:31:00,759 government groups on the left of voter so called voter 507 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:06,319 rights groups, and of course the Democrats pushed it, and 508 00:31:06,359 --> 00:31:11,119 so again their faithful servants in the accomplice media pushed 509 00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:15,839 what really turned out to be the great lot that 510 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:20,599 the twenty twenty election was the most secure, as Ap wrote, 511 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,000 in the history of this country. How they know that 512 00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:29,799 was an interesting question that should have been asked at 513 00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:33,759 the time, but we know better. It was anything but 514 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:39,359 the most secure election in this country. My editor in 515 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,599 chief at The Federalist, Molly Hemingway, wrote an outstanding book 516 00:31:43,799 --> 00:31:47,960 called Rigged, and it detailed everything that went down. But 517 00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:51,519 you saw all of this firsthand. You reported on all 518 00:31:51,559 --> 00:31:56,759 of this sort of thing. Twenty twenty was used to 519 00:31:57,839 --> 00:32:02,480 initially and continues to be, to go after Donald Trump 520 00:32:02,599 --> 00:32:06,400 and his allies. Where do things stand on that front now, 521 00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:09,400 five years later? 522 00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:12,799 Speaker 2: Well, I think I think it's fair to say that 523 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,319 people are coming around to the idea that hey, maybe 524 00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:18,400 twenty twenty actually was stolen. I mean, back when I 525 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:23,599 was reporting on it, I was censored and silenced and 526 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,960 reprimanded for saying, hey, I think there was something wrong 527 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,119 with the election, and I mean you were just absolutely 528 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:37,880 ostracized for saying it. So I think it's great now 529 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,920 that now a lot of people, I think, actually do realize, like, yeah, 530 00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:47,440 I think twenty twenty was not right. So that part 531 00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:50,519 is good. We have made some I mean, we've made 532 00:32:50,519 --> 00:32:53,400 some progress in some states and then we've backpedaled in 533 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,400 other states, depending on if they're blue or I mean, 534 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,440 some blue states are now like California, just in between 535 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,079 the two went to all universal mail in ballots. I 536 00:33:03,079 --> 00:33:06,960 mean mail in ballots are They're a joke. They're an 537 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,960 absolute joke. Not only not only the mail in ballots, 538 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,640 but we've got a lot of places, a lot of states, 539 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,599 a lot of counties using ballot on demand printers, meaning 540 00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:18,160 they can literally just print as many ballots as they 541 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,799 want and they leave them in the voting centers on 542 00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:24,759 election day. So, oh, you messed up your ballot, Okay, 543 00:33:24,759 --> 00:33:26,960 here's a new one, you know, and you just hand 544 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,079 them over. It's so unsecured. A lot of that needs 545 00:33:31,079 --> 00:33:32,079 to be looked at. I think we need to do 546 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,200 away with mail in ballots. I think we need to 547 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,079 do away with ballot on demands. I think your ballot 548 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,119 needs to be considered, you know, sacred, like it has 549 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,359 to have accountability, whether it's serial numbers or you know whatever, 550 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,279 whatever the process is. And I leave that to the 551 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,240 government leaders to figure it out. But there has to 552 00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:52,599 be a process to to account for how many ballots 553 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,240 we have. Right now, we can't do it. I was 554 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,799 I was on the ground in the years an audit, 555 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,519 and it was a mess. It was an absolute mess. 556 00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:03,640 There were seven different types of bouts, not legally sanctioned. 557 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,599 They just were using different ballots just because if someone 558 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,199 walked in late or you know, for provisional ballots or 559 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,079 mail in ballots or same day ballots or same day 560 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:18,280 registration or you know whatever, they they just would print 561 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,880 a new ballot with whatever. So I think we have 562 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,039 a long way to go with our election security. We're 563 00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:28,719 making progress. I do blame Republicans that our elections are 564 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,760 not secure because we have the House, we have the Senate, 565 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,079 we have a majority of governors' houses, we have a 566 00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:39,360 majority of Houses and senates in state leadership. There is 567 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,440 absolutely no reason why we can't secure these elections. And 568 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,239 it's because the Republicans in Congress have refused to make 569 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,800 these changes. I mean, that's the bottom line. People cry 570 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,119 to me about Democrats want more ballot bots. Yeah, it's bad, 571 00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:56,000 but we can fix that in the House and Senate, 572 00:34:56,119 --> 00:34:58,280 and the Republicans are refusing to do so. 573 00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a huge issue. When you have the reigns 574 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,559 of power, and you know you only have that at 575 00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:11,239 the will of the people, as it should be. You 576 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,119 only have that for a window of time, and I 577 00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:21,159 think Republicans in power have disappointed on many different aspects 578 00:35:21,199 --> 00:35:25,239 their window of opportunity, and that window is rapidly closing, 579 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,599 because before you know it, here comes twenty twenty six. 580 00:35:27,639 --> 00:35:30,440 So as we look at the midterm elections with all 581 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:35,199 that you just said, and let's add in another huge 582 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,360 issue that we have reported on extensively at the Federalist 583 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:45,360 and that is non citizens, foreign nationals voting in our 584 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,639 elections on our election. And again what you have is 585 00:35:49,679 --> 00:35:57,079 the Democrats and the good so called good government groups 586 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,960 and the accomplice media saying, well that rarely ever happens. 587 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,559 First of all, it should never happen, and second of all, 588 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:11,639 if there's nothing rare about it. We have seen cases now, 589 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:18,559 including in New Hampshire where we have, you know, a 590 00:36:18,639 --> 00:36:21,679 Secretary of State there that is at open war with 591 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,679 Donald Trump and the Trump administration now acknowledging that there 592 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:30,760 are non citizens on the voter rolls. Clearly, this is 593 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,639 not going to be settled by Congress because they can't 594 00:36:35,679 --> 00:36:39,119 get to any real substantive action on us. Where does 595 00:36:39,159 --> 00:36:41,199 all of this go for twenty twenty six? 596 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's a great question we have to quo. 597 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,280 I would love to see so many of these Republicans primary. 598 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:53,920 You know, we have to continue to fight through twenty 599 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,199 twenty six the same way we fought for twenty twenty four. 600 00:36:56,679 --> 00:37:00,719 But I would strongly encourage people that live in Republican 601 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:05,199 communities primary somebody, you know, run for office, anything, but 602 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,760 get rid of these Republicans that are obstructing because Democrats 603 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:13,480 are able to do what they do because Republicans aren't 604 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,920 pushing back on it. And so I think I think 605 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,119 we need to get rid of the weak Republicans, and 606 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,880 once we have strong Republicans in office, the Democrats will 607 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,320 quiet down. Democrats feel empowered when there's no one to 608 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:29,079 check their power. 609 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: That's kind of like the trouble maker in the classroom, 610 00:37:35,079 --> 00:37:35,480 isn't it. 611 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 2: Totally they're the bully. 612 00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and we've seen them bullying and bullying 613 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,400 over and over again. I want to go back to 614 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,960 mar A Lago for just a moment with some contemporaneously 615 00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:57,519 interesting issues. John Bolton, it's your thoughts on John Bolton, who, 616 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:03,159 you know, the the accomplished media has been up in 617 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:08,719 arms about how the you know, the raids on John 618 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:13,559 Bolton for his you know, the charges that he mishandled 619 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,599 documents post his position. What do you think of all 620 00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:20,119 of that and where do you think that case is 621 00:38:20,199 --> 00:38:23,280 as it stands against what happened at mar Alago. 622 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, now that case is very interesting and there are 623 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,840 some pretty stark differences between John Bolton's case and Donald Trump's. 624 00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:33,159 The raid on mar A Lago. The first thing I 625 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,119 noticed about the John Bolton raid was that Cash Bettel 626 00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:40,239 came out right away and said, Hey, we got a warrant. 627 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,960 We are rating John Bolton's residence. I mean it was 628 00:38:43,039 --> 00:38:45,480 early in the morning that he made that announcement. And 629 00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:48,679 then the FBI's official spokesperson or whatever they put the 630 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,440 FBI itself put out a statement saying, we got a warrant, 631 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,159 we're executing it at John Bolton's. You know, Cash says 632 00:38:54,159 --> 00:38:56,840 no one is above the law. That is very different 633 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,320 from what happened at mar A Lago. At Mar A Lago, 634 00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:02,480 the FBI didn't say anything, The Department of Justice didn't 635 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,599 say anything. The raid was actually done in secret. It 636 00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:07,320 was very quiet all day. It took I don't know, 637 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:12,280 maybe ten plus hours all throughout the day. No flashing lights, 638 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,599 no sirens, no, none of that. Nobody could see what 639 00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:17,320 was going on on the outside. It wasn't until Donald 640 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,840 Trump himself later in the evening, after the raid was over, 641 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,840 that Donald Trump put the statement out saying, hey, they're 642 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,679 raiding mar A Lago, and the Department of Justice and 643 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,239 FBI and Biden Whitehouse response was very weird. It signaled 644 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,719 to me that they thought they intended to keep the 645 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,280 raid quiet. They thought they could raid the president's home 646 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,159 and no one would find out about it, because if 647 00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:42,159 you remember, for the next three days, the Biden White 648 00:39:42,159 --> 00:39:44,239 House was going that is so weird. We have no 649 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,440 idea how mar Alago got raided. What I don't know 650 00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:50,079 what happened. Remember that they played stupid for three days 651 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,199 and it wasn't until Merritt Garland sheepishly took responsibility for it. 652 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,760 They didn't have a press statement ready, they weren't prepared 653 00:39:57,079 --> 00:39:59,679 to tell the public what had happened. They genuinely believed 654 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,400 they could raid mar Lago without anyone knowing knowing. And 655 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,280 why those two approaches are very different, and why that's 656 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,719 significant is because cash Battel, this is what it appears 657 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,239 to me, right, Cash Battel had probable cause. He's got 658 00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:17,679 a legitimate warrant. He didn't have to go to a 659 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,960 judge who accused himself weeks before for being conflicted like 660 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,559 they did in mar Lago. He had a legitimate warrant. 661 00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:28,960 He's standing firm on his probable cause, and he is 662 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,079 not afraid of media scrutiny of what he's doing. That 663 00:40:33,199 --> 00:40:36,079 is very different from what happened in the Biden administration. 664 00:40:36,199 --> 00:40:39,199 They were trying to hide it because they knew they 665 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,800 were not on solid ground for what they were doing, 666 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,760 and so they hid it and you know, fumbled when 667 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,559 they had to come up with an explanation, and then 668 00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:49,719 the whole thing was fumbled. It was terrible and it 669 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,719 was a huge embarrassment to the entire Biden administration. But 670 00:40:54,519 --> 00:40:56,960 to me, it looks like cash Btel's got very good 671 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,440 reason to do what he's doing. We haven't seen much 672 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,280 come out of it yet, so I'll be real curious 673 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,400 what they end up doing, but it looks like they 674 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:06,920 got something. 675 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:12,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, very interesting. Again, a time will tell. By the way, 676 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:21,079 Joe Biden playing stupid is something he just simply could 677 00:41:21,159 --> 00:41:25,119 not help for for many years in office. Of course, 678 00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:28,320 final question for you, I appreciate the generosity of your 679 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,119 time and the importance of your story, and that is 680 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:37,639 we talk about the necessary, the need to hold people accountable. 681 00:41:38,519 --> 00:41:46,320 Will people like Jack Smith, Will people like quite frankly, 682 00:41:46,599 --> 00:41:50,639 some of these judges involved and so many others in 683 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,000 this American saga will on the left, Will they be 684 00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:54,960 held accountable? 685 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,719 Speaker 2: I sure hope so, I think so. It appears that 686 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,679 that's what Pam bondy ed Martin and Cash Bettel and 687 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,440 Dan Bongino. It looks like that's what they're trying to do. 688 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,519 You know, we've heard rumblings about grand juries being open, 689 00:42:09,639 --> 00:42:14,760 which is great, Let's see some prosecutions. I'm hopeful right now. 690 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,480 You know, we're less than a year into this administration. 691 00:42:17,559 --> 00:42:19,559 If you compare that to what Jack Smith did. Jack 692 00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:22,719 Smith didn't bring his first indictment until June of twenty 693 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:29,119 twenty three, over halfway through the admin. So we have 694 00:42:29,199 --> 00:42:31,719 a little bit of time, but not much. We you know, 695 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,079 we got we got to push it. So I'm hopeful, 696 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,239 I don't know, maybe by the end of the year 697 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:37,199 to see an indictment. 698 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:45,760 Speaker 1: Well, shelsee a very compelling book, a very very important story. 699 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,280 Thanks to my guest today, Judicial Watch attorney Christina bob 700 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,800 A former attorney to the Trump campaign, senior counsel to 701 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,679 the Republican National Committee's Election Integrity Section last year, and 702 00:42:57,199 --> 00:43:01,599 author of Defiant Inside the mar A Lago Raid and 703 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:06,679 the lefts ongoing law fair. You can purchase the book 704 00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:10,400 anywhere great books are sold. You've been listening to another 705 00:43:10,519 --> 00:43:13,280 edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, senior 706 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,960 elections correspondent at the Federalist. We'll be back soon with more. 707 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,079 Until then, stay lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray. 708 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:34,320 Speaker 2: I heard the fame, boy ser reason, and then it 709 00:43:34,519 --> 00:43:39,880 faded away.