1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:06,240 Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to dive right 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:10,960 back in to the Tova Noel interview with the OIG investigators. 4 00:00:11,439 --> 00:00:13,919 Question do you know what material was used to take 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:18,239 Epstein's life in August of twenty nineteen? Noel, I don't know. 6 00:00:18,839 --> 00:00:22,039 Question do you know if Epstein was given any special 7 00:00:22,039 --> 00:00:26,280 privileges to have extra clothing? Noel, I don't know. Question 8 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,879 if he was, do you know who would provide that? Noel, 9 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,079 I don't know. Question do you know if there was 10 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,359 anything else that was in Epstein's cell that should not 11 00:00:36,399 --> 00:00:40,840 have been there? Noel? Only the c PAT machine? Question? Okay, 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,840 tell me about cell searches. What are the requirements for 13 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,079 When you said your typical shift, is I guess the 14 00:00:47,119 --> 00:00:52,119 afternoon shift, right? Or do you call it evening? I guess? Noel? Yeah. 15 00:00:52,399 --> 00:00:55,759 Question is that the four to ten Noel for to midnight? 16 00:00:56,799 --> 00:01:00,640 Redacted for to midnight? Sorry? What are the cell search 17 00:01:00,719 --> 00:01:04,840 requirements during that shift? Noel? I don't know. Question did 18 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,879 you ever read the post orders with regard to that? Noel? 19 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,079 No question, But they're in the shoe. You just didn't 20 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,480 read them. Noel. Right question. Have you ever heard during 21 00:01:14,519 --> 00:01:18,239 your shift that you're supposed to conduct five cell searches? Noel, 22 00:01:18,359 --> 00:01:23,200 no question, random cell searches Noel, no question. Did you 23 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,120 ever witness anybody conducting cell searches when you were working 24 00:01:27,159 --> 00:01:30,599 in the shoe, Noel, no question. No do you know 25 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,719 if any cell searches were conducted on August ninth or 26 00:01:33,719 --> 00:01:37,359 August tenth? Noel, no question. Do you know what a 27 00:01:37,359 --> 00:01:42,840 cell search is? Noel? When you go in there and 28 00:01:42,879 --> 00:01:46,319 search their cell question? Right of an inmate? And you 29 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:50,040 never observed that in the shoe Noel, no question. Did 30 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,879 they ever teach you that during training that you're supposed 31 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,640 to do that? Noel. I don't recall. Question, You don't recall. 32 00:01:57,519 --> 00:02:01,000 It's just something that you've never witnessed, Noel. Never never 33 00:02:01,079 --> 00:02:04,519 saw it. Question even when you were working that like 34 00:02:04,599 --> 00:02:07,920 earlier shift, you know, when you're doing your OT or 35 00:02:07,959 --> 00:02:11,759 your regular shift, never once witness the cell search? Noel. 36 00:02:11,879 --> 00:02:15,360 Never question. And do you know of things that you 37 00:02:15,439 --> 00:02:18,319 do know in there? Would any of that be considered 38 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,400 contraband that was in there? Now that you know that 39 00:02:21,479 --> 00:02:24,479 medication was in there, the CPAT machine or the extra 40 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:29,479 linens or the extra clothing Noel in his cell. Question 41 00:02:29,599 --> 00:02:32,800 Uh huh, Noel, No question. Do you want to show 42 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,319 her some of the pictures just so she can get, 43 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,039 you know, know what we're talking about here? So is 44 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,159 this El tier as we're referring to, and is this 45 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,000 the outer gate that you were standing at that you 46 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,960 were talking about? Noel? Yes, question all right? And then 47 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,599 when you say that you're standing at the lower part 48 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,560 of the steps, is it about right there that you 49 00:02:53,599 --> 00:02:57,520 were standing Noel, I was standing over here? Question over there? 50 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,319 Do you have a pen? Do you just mind marking it? 51 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,680 So that's where you were standing? All right? And in 52 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,199 that picture can you see where Epstein was Noel from 53 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:13,240 down here? Question? No, No, I'm sorry, I'm assuming Noel. 54 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,000 Oh no, no, because he's on his side, she cuts 55 00:03:16,039 --> 00:03:19,360 him off. Question right, so we can see part of 56 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,159 the two when it's crossed. But does this look like 57 00:03:22,199 --> 00:03:26,039 Epstein's door? Noel, This is the first door on the right. Yeah. 58 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,879 Question And from what you can see from where you 59 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:34,319 were standing, did that look like what you saw? Noel, 60 00:03:34,479 --> 00:03:36,840 I didn't see all of this. I saw like here 61 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,240 because I'm on the door. So he's doing CPR like here. 62 00:03:40,439 --> 00:03:42,759 So I didn't see all that question all right, so 63 00:03:42,879 --> 00:03:45,840 you couldn't see all the extra clothing and Lenin's right 64 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,800 right there, Noel. No question. Does that look like a 65 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,800 lot of clothing and Lenin to you? Noel? Yeah. Question, 66 00:03:54,199 --> 00:03:57,879 here's a couple extra pictures of some different like advantage points. 67 00:03:58,439 --> 00:04:01,840 Does that at all look like extra clothing to you? Noel? Yes? 68 00:04:02,719 --> 00:04:06,439 And there's the machine right here. Question that's the seapap 69 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:11,039 machine seapap Noel, yeah. Question Okay, again, though you don't 70 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,400 know what he actually hung himself with Noel, I don't know. 71 00:04:15,039 --> 00:04:18,360 Question is this the way that he would usually lay 72 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,000 on his bed? Noel? Yeah? Question was was he the 73 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,279 top bunk guy? And do you know where Reyes would 74 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,560 usually sleep? Noel, I don't know because he's always on 75 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,360 the floor. Question Okay, but I see that the top 76 00:04:32,399 --> 00:04:35,160 one doesn't actually have it. It doesn't look like it 77 00:04:35,199 --> 00:04:37,560 has a mattress. So do you know if Rees would 78 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,079 sleep right next to him? Noel, I don't know. Question 79 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,040 you don't. Did you ever check in on them when 80 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,319 you were or was that the first night you said 81 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,839 he gets cut off by Noel? That was it? Question? 82 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:54,199 So did you ever observe him in a sleep state before, Noel, 83 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,800 because he's never really there, Epstein questioned, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 84 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,079 I'm saying during sleeping. Did you ever see Epstein prior 85 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,639 to this instance, prior to August ninth? Have you ever 86 00:05:05,639 --> 00:05:09,680 seen Epstein sleeping in his cell? Noel? When he comes back, 87 00:05:09,959 --> 00:05:12,279 he lays there on the floor, on the mattress on 88 00:05:12,319 --> 00:05:15,800 the floor. Question, so when you would observe that, would 89 00:05:15,879 --> 00:05:19,360 you see where Reus was prior to this incident? Noel? Oh, 90 00:05:19,399 --> 00:05:22,319 res be up. So I never seen like Reus or 91 00:05:22,319 --> 00:05:27,199 where Reus is like Reys is always up? Question? Is 92 00:05:27,199 --> 00:05:29,959 there only one bunk in the room? Noel? It was 93 00:05:30,079 --> 00:05:34,160 these two question? Yeah, so the one bump bed Noel. Yeah. 94 00:05:34,199 --> 00:05:37,959 One question. So I'm assuming if he's sleeping on the floor, 95 00:05:38,079 --> 00:05:41,439 then Reyes would be sleeping next to him. Noel there, 96 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,480 But I don't know if this was because Reyes wasn't there, 97 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,319 or he could have been on top. I don't know. Question. Okay, 98 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,120 So if this is where Thomas took him off, is 99 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,360 that what you couldn't see from the door from that 100 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,160 vantage point? Noel, Yeah, I can't see that. Question. You 101 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,959 couldn't see that? Okay, So did you ever notice that 102 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:05,439 type of medication in there before, Noel, No question. And 103 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,120 that's something you believe that shouldn't have been in there though, Noel. Yeah. 104 00:06:09,319 --> 00:06:13,120 Question does anything here look out of the ordinary to you? Noel? 105 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,519 What's in the indiscernible right here? Question? I don't know. 106 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,439 I'm asking you. Does any of that look like it's 107 00:06:19,439 --> 00:06:23,360 out of the ordinary to you? Noel, Yeah, there's a couple. 108 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,879 Whatever's in the bag? Question? Okay, but you never went 109 00:06:26,879 --> 00:06:30,680 in there, You never saw any of this, Noel, no question. 110 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,839 And cell searches were never conducted, so no one even 111 00:06:34,879 --> 00:06:37,399 went in ever to check to see what was in 112 00:06:37,399 --> 00:06:42,600 those cells. Noel. Correct question. Here's three additional pictures if 113 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,759 you want to look. Does any of this stuff look 114 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:49,800 abnormal to you? Noel? All these question everything looks abnormal, Noel. 115 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,920 The medication question, the medication and it was never discussed 116 00:06:53,959 --> 00:06:57,480 with anyone about cell searches ever. In the three you 117 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,360 know two and a half months that you were in there, Noel, 118 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,800 that indiscernible in there? Question? Okay? And did you ever 119 00:07:03,879 --> 00:07:06,639 get to see what it was that Epstein used to 120 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:11,279 use to hang himself Noel, no question. Rather than have 121 00:07:11,399 --> 00:07:14,519 you do all those individual I'm going to just separate 122 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,879 this if it's okay with you, your attorneys, just have 123 00:07:17,959 --> 00:07:20,920 her do the top one, unless you prefer foy, No, 124 00:07:21,079 --> 00:07:25,399 that's fine. Initial that one question here, keep these away 125 00:07:25,399 --> 00:07:32,319 from that redacted, just keep everything next to her anyway. Question. 126 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,720 Did you ever see Epstein interact with other inmates? Noel, 127 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,439 he's never there, no question. Did you ever see him 128 00:07:39,439 --> 00:07:43,759 interact with the cellmates? Noel, no question. You said, but 129 00:07:43,839 --> 00:07:47,000 the last time you interacted with them was just the 130 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:51,079 one raising of the hand, Noel. Yeah. Question. Was it 131 00:07:51,199 --> 00:07:54,560 surprising for you to notice that there was no cell 132 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,959 mate in there with them? Noel, no question. So did 133 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,439 it even cross your mind that there was always a 134 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,279 cell mate with him prior to that time? Noel, no question. 135 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,199 Did you ever were you ever told that Reyes was 136 00:08:07,279 --> 00:08:12,519 removed from the institution, Noel, no question. And that it's 137 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,879 something being that the high profile nature that he's like, 138 00:08:16,199 --> 00:08:19,600 is that something that you would notice though, that, like, hey, 139 00:08:19,839 --> 00:08:22,120 this guy usually has a cell mate. He's not in 140 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:26,240 there right now, where is he? Noel? No question. Did 141 00:08:26,279 --> 00:08:30,800 it even cross your mind? Noel, No question, didn't cross 142 00:08:30,839 --> 00:08:33,200 your mind. You're just looking at the people in there, 143 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,679 and you're not worried about who is in there. The 144 00:08:35,759 --> 00:08:39,720 people in there are alive, that's all you're worried about. Noel. Yeah. 145 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,360 Question did Epstein ever complain about anything? Noel, not to me. 146 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,840 Question Do you know if he complained about anything to 147 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,240 anybody else? Noel, just the time that he asked for 148 00:08:50,279 --> 00:08:55,960 the mattress, the extra mattress. Question that was a request though, Noel. Yeah. 149 00:08:56,159 --> 00:08:59,480 Question was it a complaint? Did he say anything along 150 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,759 with that asking for an extra one? Noel? Well, how 151 00:09:02,759 --> 00:09:05,519 it was relayed that he was complaining that he needed 152 00:09:05,639 --> 00:09:10,320 another mattress? Question? Okay, Noel, I don't know if you 153 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,960 want to take that as a complaint. Question did you 154 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,840 ever hear him complaining about other inmates? Noel, no question. 155 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,360 No never complained about being in the shoe versus somewhere else, Noel, 156 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:25,720 no question. So no complaints other than the mattress, Noel, 157 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,960 no question. Do you know if there were any threats 158 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,360 made to Epstein? Noel, I don't know. Question do you 159 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:34,519 know at the time did you know why Epstein was 160 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:38,240 in prison? You said you did some internet searches or 161 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,679 you saw some things. He gets cut off by Noel 162 00:09:41,919 --> 00:09:45,240 right after the fact. But initially, No question. Didn't you 163 00:09:45,279 --> 00:09:49,240 say that there were things that would populate on the computer? Noel. Yeah, 164 00:09:49,399 --> 00:09:52,279 that's what I said after when he initially first came 165 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,039 in there. No, I didn't know. Question. I mean prior 166 00:09:55,039 --> 00:09:59,279 to August ninth or tenth, Noel, Oh, yeah, question. Yeah. 167 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,360 And did you have any specific feelings with regard to 168 00:10:02,399 --> 00:10:05,559 why you was in prison? Noel, no question. Did you 169 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,919 ever speak about Epstein with other inmates? Noel, no question? 170 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:14,000 In your opinion when the medical emergency was discovered, did 171 00:10:14,039 --> 00:10:17,559 you and Thomas act appropriately per BOP policy now that 172 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,879 you've had time to reflect on it, Noel. I know 173 00:10:21,039 --> 00:10:24,000 now that there's a medical emergency, you're not supposed to 174 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,720 enter the cell until everybody gets there. So that would 175 00:10:26,759 --> 00:10:28,919 be the only thing that I would say, like that 176 00:10:29,039 --> 00:10:33,039 wasn't done correctly. But as far as everything else, question now, 177 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,519 was that per Thomas? Noel? What I'm saying or she 178 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:40,039 gets cut off? Yeah? Question. So the one thing that 179 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,720 you know that was incorrect was about what you did. 180 00:10:43,159 --> 00:10:47,240 Was there anything else that you did that was not correct? Noel? 181 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,039 If it was, I don't know? Question No, No, I'm 182 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:55,200 asking Noel, Oh, now, question, it's a genuine question. It's 183 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,279 not a trick question, so you're not aware of not 184 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,840 doing anything, Noel? No question? All right, but you knew 185 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,559 that Thomas went into the cell before he was supposed 186 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,360 to Noel. Yeah, question, he was supposed to actually wait 187 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,039 for someone to come and respond. Noel. Yes. Question And 188 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,360 why is that? Noel? Why did he go in question? 189 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:20,080 No Why does he need to wait for somebody to respond? Noel? Oh, 190 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,919 I don't know. That's the rule, I guess. Question okay, 191 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,480 And by standing outside the gate, he still wouldn't be 192 00:11:25,519 --> 00:11:28,879 allowed to go into the room. Noel. Who me question? 193 00:11:29,399 --> 00:11:32,000 So even the way you did Noel, Oh, because I 194 00:11:32,039 --> 00:11:35,159 was there. No From what I understand, you're supposed to 195 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,000 wait until people come and then you go in question okay, 196 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,919 And how did you learn that? Nouel? After? That's what 197 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,279 I heard them saying. Question and that's what people were 198 00:11:46,279 --> 00:11:51,039 telling you on August tenth, Noel, Yeah, not telling me, 199 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:55,159 but just conversation like after question. What conversation did you 200 00:11:55,159 --> 00:11:58,519 have with people after Noel, I didn't have no conversations. 201 00:11:59,159 --> 00:12:01,279 I just heard them saying Thomas should never have went 202 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,440 in there by himself. I don't even remember who said it, 203 00:12:04,799 --> 00:12:09,120 but somebody that was in the shoe redacted. Question did 204 00:12:09,159 --> 00:12:13,159 anybody say anything about your reactions? Noel, no question. No, 205 00:12:13,799 --> 00:12:16,440 do you know if he needed to just wait for 206 00:12:16,519 --> 00:12:19,000 one person or a bunch of people? How does that? 207 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,840 What did you hear with regard to that, Noel, I 208 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,120 didn't hear nothing else. Question when I said you, I 209 00:12:25,159 --> 00:12:29,240 mean Thomas? Noel, Oh, I don't know. Question. Do you 210 00:12:29,279 --> 00:12:32,679 believe that Thomas acted appropriately being that you were there 211 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:37,080 and you observed it? Noel? What the stuff that he did? Yes? 212 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,799 Question Yeah. Do you think that he should have waited 213 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:41,919 for someone or do you think it's like there was 214 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,399 a medical emergency? Noel cuts him off. I think it 215 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,799 was a medical emergency and he was just trying to 216 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,919 get to help him redacted. All right, And did you 217 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,480 and Thomas know that Epstein was the only person in 218 00:12:53,519 --> 00:12:56,240 the cell then or did you not know if Reyes 219 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,879 was in there or not? Noel, when I counted, I 220 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,559 knew that he was in there by him. Question Okay, 221 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,360 just for background, I believe the reason why you're supposed 222 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,279 to wait is in case it's a ruse and someone 223 00:13:07,279 --> 00:13:09,919 wants to trick you to get in and then you 224 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:14,440 the other person overpowers them, and now he gets cut 225 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,759 off by Noel. Right. Question, so that's my point. Do 226 00:13:17,799 --> 00:13:20,039 you know if Thomas was aware, if anyone else was 227 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,399 in there? Answer, I don't know. Question, you don't know. 228 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:29,240 Not something you discussed with Thomas though, Noel. No, All right, folks, 229 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,559 we're gonna wrap up right here, and in the next 230 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,879 episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where 231 00:13:33,919 --> 00:13:36,879 we left off. 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