Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to dive right
back in to the Tova Noel interview with the OIG investigators.
Question do you know what material was used to take
Epstein's life in August of twenty nineteen? Noel, I don't know.
Question do you know if Epstein was given any special
privileges to have extra clothing? Noel, I don't know. Question
if he was, do you know who would provide that? Noel,
I don't know. Question do you know if there was
anything else that was in Epstein's cell that should not
have been there? Noel? Only the c PAT machine? Question? Okay,
tell me about cell searches. What are the requirements for
When you said your typical shift, is I guess the
afternoon shift, right? Or do you call it evening? I guess? Noel? Yeah.
Question is that the four to ten Noel for to midnight?
Redacted for to midnight? Sorry? What are the cell search
requirements during that shift? Noel? I don't know. Question did
you ever read the post orders with regard to that? Noel?
No question, But they're in the shoe. You just didn't
read them. Noel. Right question. Have you ever heard during
your shift that you're supposed to conduct five cell searches? Noel,
no question, random cell searches Noel, no question. Did you
ever witness anybody conducting cell searches when you were working
in the shoe, Noel, no question. No do you know
if any cell searches were conducted on August ninth or
August tenth? Noel, no question. Do you know what a
cell search is? Noel? When you go in there and
search their cell question? Right of an inmate? And you
never observed that in the shoe Noel, no question. Did
they ever teach you that during training that you're supposed
to do that? Noel. I don't recall. Question, You don't recall.
It's just something that you've never witnessed, Noel. Never never
saw it. Question even when you were working that like
earlier shift, you know, when you're doing your OT or
your regular shift, never once witness the cell search? Noel.
Never question. And do you know of things that you
do know in there? Would any of that be considered
contraband that was in there? Now that you know that
medication was in there, the CPAT machine or the extra
linens or the extra clothing Noel in his cell. Question
Uh huh, Noel, No question. Do you want to show
her some of the pictures just so she can get,
you know, know what we're talking about here? So is
this El tier as we're referring to, and is this
the outer gate that you were standing at that you
were talking about? Noel? Yes, question all right? And then
when you say that you're standing at the lower part
of the steps, is it about right there that you
were standing Noel, I was standing over here? Question over there?
Do you have a pen? Do you just mind marking it?
So that's where you were standing? All right? And in
that picture can you see where Epstein was Noel from
down here? Question? No, No, I'm sorry, I'm assuming Noel.
Oh no, no, because he's on his side, she cuts
him off. Question right, so we can see part of
the two when it's crossed. But does this look like
Epstein's door? Noel, This is the first door on the right. Yeah.
Question And from what you can see from where you
were standing, did that look like what you saw? Noel,
I didn't see all of this. I saw like here
because I'm on the door. So he's doing CPR like here.
So I didn't see all that question all right, so
you couldn't see all the extra clothing and Lenin's right
right there, Noel. No question. Does that look like a
lot of clothing and Lenin to you? Noel? Yeah. Question,
here's a couple extra pictures of some different like advantage points.
Does that at all look like extra clothing to you? Noel? Yes?
And there's the machine right here. Question that's the seapap
machine seapap Noel, yeah. Question Okay, again, though you don't
know what he actually hung himself with Noel, I don't know.
Question is this the way that he would usually lay
on his bed? Noel? Yeah? Question was was he the
top bunk guy? And do you know where Reyes would
usually sleep? Noel, I don't know because he's always on
the floor. Question Okay, but I see that the top
one doesn't actually have it. It doesn't look like it
has a mattress. So do you know if Rees would
sleep right next to him? Noel, I don't know. Question
you don't. Did you ever check in on them when
you were or was that the first night you said
he gets cut off by Noel? That was it? Question?
So did you ever observe him in a sleep state before, Noel,
because he's never really there, Epstein questioned, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm saying during sleeping. Did you ever see Epstein prior
to this instance, prior to August ninth? Have you ever
seen Epstein sleeping in his cell? Noel? When he comes back,
he lays there on the floor, on the mattress on
the floor. Question, so when you would observe that, would
you see where Reus was prior to this incident? Noel? Oh,
res be up. So I never seen like Reus or
where Reus is like Reys is always up? Question? Is
there only one bunk in the room? Noel? It was
these two question? Yeah, so the one bump bed Noel. Yeah.
One question. So I'm assuming if he's sleeping on the floor,
then Reyes would be sleeping next to him. Noel there,
But I don't know if this was because Reyes wasn't there,
or he could have been on top. I don't know. Question. Okay,
So if this is where Thomas took him off, is
that what you couldn't see from the door from that
vantage point? Noel, Yeah, I can't see that. Question. You
couldn't see that? Okay, So did you ever notice that
type of medication in there before, Noel, No question. And
that's something you believe that shouldn't have been in there though, Noel. Yeah.
Question does anything here look out of the ordinary to you? Noel?
What's in the indiscernible right here? Question? I don't know.
I'm asking you. Does any of that look like it's
out of the ordinary to you? Noel, Yeah, there's a couple.
Whatever's in the bag? Question? Okay, but you never went
in there, You never saw any of this, Noel, no question.
And cell searches were never conducted, so no one even
went in ever to check to see what was in
those cells. Noel. Correct question. Here's three additional pictures if
you want to look. Does any of this stuff look
abnormal to you? Noel? All these question everything looks abnormal, Noel.
The medication question, the medication and it was never discussed
with anyone about cell searches ever. In the three you
know two and a half months that you were in there, Noel,
that indiscernible in there? Question? Okay? And did you ever
get to see what it was that Epstein used to
use to hang himself Noel, no question. Rather than have
you do all those individual I'm going to just separate
this if it's okay with you, your attorneys, just have
her do the top one, unless you prefer foy, No,
that's fine. Initial that one question here, keep these away
from that redacted, just keep everything next to her anyway. Question.
Did you ever see Epstein interact with other inmates? Noel,
he's never there, no question. Did you ever see him
interact with the cellmates? Noel, no question. You said, but
the last time you interacted with them was just the
one raising of the hand, Noel. Yeah. Question. Was it
surprising for you to notice that there was no cell
mate in there with them? Noel, no question. So did
it even cross your mind that there was always a
cell mate with him prior to that time? Noel, no question.
Did you ever were you ever told that Reyes was
removed from the institution, Noel, no question. And that it's
something being that the high profile nature that he's like,
is that something that you would notice though, that, like, hey,
this guy usually has a cell mate. He's not in
there right now, where is he? Noel? No question. Did
it even cross your mind? Noel, No question, didn't cross
your mind. You're just looking at the people in there,
and you're not worried about who is in there. The
people in there are alive, that's all you're worried about. Noel. Yeah.
Question did Epstein ever complain about anything? Noel, not to me.
Question Do you know if he complained about anything to
anybody else? Noel, just the time that he asked for
the mattress, the extra mattress. Question that was a request though, Noel. Yeah.
Question was it a complaint? Did he say anything along
with that asking for an extra one? Noel? Well, how
it was relayed that he was complaining that he needed
another mattress? Question? Okay, Noel, I don't know if you
want to take that as a complaint. Question did you
ever hear him complaining about other inmates? Noel, no question.
No never complained about being in the shoe versus somewhere else, Noel,
no question. So no complaints other than the mattress, Noel,
no question. Do you know if there were any threats
made to Epstein? Noel, I don't know. Question do you
know at the time did you know why Epstein was
in prison? You said you did some internet searches or
you saw some things. He gets cut off by Noel
right after the fact. But initially, No question. Didn't you
say that there were things that would populate on the computer? Noel. Yeah,
that's what I said after when he initially first came
in there. No, I didn't know. Question. I mean prior
to August ninth or tenth, Noel, Oh, yeah, question. Yeah.
And did you have any specific feelings with regard to
why you was in prison? Noel, no question. Did you
ever speak about Epstein with other inmates? Noel, no question?
In your opinion when the medical emergency was discovered, did
you and Thomas act appropriately per BOP policy now that
you've had time to reflect on it, Noel. I know
now that there's a medical emergency, you're not supposed to
enter the cell until everybody gets there. So that would
be the only thing that I would say, like that
wasn't done correctly. But as far as everything else, question now,
was that per Thomas? Noel? What I'm saying or she
gets cut off? Yeah? Question. So the one thing that
you know that was incorrect was about what you did.
Was there anything else that you did that was not correct? Noel?
If it was, I don't know? Question No, No, I'm
asking Noel, Oh, now, question, it's a genuine question. It's
not a trick question, so you're not aware of not
doing anything, Noel? No question? All right, but you knew
that Thomas went into the cell before he was supposed
to Noel. Yeah, question, he was supposed to actually wait
for someone to come and respond. Noel. Yes. Question And
why is that? Noel? Why did he go in question?
No Why does he need to wait for somebody to respond? Noel? Oh,
I don't know. That's the rule, I guess. Question okay,
And by standing outside the gate, he still wouldn't be
allowed to go into the room. Noel. Who me question?
So even the way you did Noel, Oh, because I
was there. No From what I understand, you're supposed to
wait until people come and then you go in question okay,
And how did you learn that? Nouel? After? That's what
I heard them saying. Question and that's what people were
telling you on August tenth, Noel, Yeah, not telling me,
but just conversation like after question. What conversation did you
have with people after Noel, I didn't have no conversations.
I just heard them saying Thomas should never have went
in there by himself. I don't even remember who said it,
but somebody that was in the shoe redacted. Question did
anybody say anything about your reactions? Noel, no question. No,
do you know if he needed to just wait for
one person or a bunch of people? How does that?
What did you hear with regard to that, Noel, I
didn't hear nothing else. Question when I said you, I
mean Thomas? Noel, Oh, I don't know. Question. Do you
believe that Thomas acted appropriately being that you were there
and you observed it? Noel? What the stuff that he did? Yes?
Question Yeah. Do you think that he should have waited
for someone or do you think it's like there was
a medical emergency? Noel cuts him off. I think it
was a medical emergency and he was just trying to
get to help him redacted. All right, And did you
and Thomas know that Epstein was the only person in
the cell then or did you not know if Reyes
was in there or not? Noel, when I counted, I
knew that he was in there by him. Question Okay,
just for background, I believe the reason why you're supposed
to wait is in case it's a ruse and someone
wants to trick you to get in and then you
the other person overpowers them, and now he gets cut
off by Noel. Right. Question, so that's my point. Do
you know if Thomas was aware, if anyone else was
in there? Answer, I don't know. Question, you don't know.
Not something you discussed with Thomas though, Noel. No, All right, folks,
we're gonna wrap up right here, and in the next
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