1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,359 Speaker 1: This drama in the music industry, and Journey has proven 2 00:00:03,439 --> 00:00:09,480 to be I'm fascinated by something if you haven't followed it, Journey. 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:11,839 Of course, these bandmates in Journey. 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 2: You know, you can't. 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: Blame Steve Perry really for all these years of not 6 00:00:15,279 --> 00:00:19,120 wanting to go back. I can understand why the title 7 00:00:19,199 --> 00:00:22,199 of it, yeah that while Billboard has a new article up, 8 00:00:22,359 --> 00:00:26,920 don't stop Litigating, do stop Journey bandmates are battling in 9 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:31,440 court yet again. What has always fascinated me about bands 10 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,600 that don't get along and they have all this acrimony 11 00:00:35,079 --> 00:00:38,359 and even in some instances, you know, suing each other 12 00:00:38,679 --> 00:00:41,719 while they're in a band together. I've always been fascinated 13 00:00:41,719 --> 00:00:43,960 by the dynamics of that and how weird it must 14 00:00:44,039 --> 00:00:48,600 be to be in a band and have issues with 15 00:00:48,679 --> 00:00:51,359 other band members to the point where you're suing each 16 00:00:51,359 --> 00:00:54,880 other and yet still be able to go on stage 17 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:55,880 and play with them. 18 00:00:56,439 --> 00:00:58,079 Speaker 2: That's always fascinating to me. 19 00:00:59,079 --> 00:01:02,799 Speaker 3: It's an odd dynamic because how do you do that 20 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,120 and not bash each other with the guitars or something. 21 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 2: Well, and and you know there have been instances, I mean, geez. 22 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,599 Speaker 1: You can find YouTube compilations of of of bands getting 23 00:01:11,599 --> 00:01:13,159 into fights on stage, and. 24 00:01:13,519 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 3: Like, what, what's a good one? I can't think of 25 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:19,359 somebody getting into a fight. 26 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: On Marilyn Manson. And there's a YouTube video of him 27 00:01:23,359 --> 00:01:26,560 kicking John five. This is from quite a few years ago, 28 00:01:26,599 --> 00:01:27,599 and they're good now, but. 29 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 3: On stage he kicked him. 30 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: He kicked John five. No, no, but but kicked him. 31 00:01:33,599 --> 00:01:37,079 And then you see John Five like throw down his 32 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:38,879 guitar and he's gonna fight him, and. 33 00:01:38,879 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 3: Oh geez, yeah they really had. 34 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 1: That's that's one example. There's of course, a famous I 35 00:01:44,719 --> 00:01:45,280 need to go on. 36 00:01:45,239 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 3: And exploratory now. I want to see these videos. 37 00:01:47,599 --> 00:01:50,599 Speaker 1: There's a famous example of and there's no video of this, 38 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,040 there's only audio, and I think the audio it's hard 39 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:57,159 to hear. But there's a famous example of the Eagles 40 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,799 where they almost came to well, they were threttening each other, 41 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,599 like Don Felder and Glenn Fry kept threatening that you 42 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,560 know after the set, you know we're gonna fight between songs, 43 00:02:07,599 --> 00:02:11,479 you know, sniping at each other that kind of thing. 44 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,439 Speaker 3: So but this this is I mean, I feel like 45 00:02:15,479 --> 00:02:16,840 this good reason on this one. 46 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: Well, but what's always interested me about this is and 47 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,319 I remember when I first became sort of fascinated by 48 00:02:24,319 --> 00:02:26,479 that dynamic. And it was before I even started playing 49 00:02:26,479 --> 00:02:28,120 in bands myself. And you know, when you play in 50 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,360 a band, you know sometimes you have conflict. And although 51 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,199 rarely most most of the bands I played in were 52 00:02:32,199 --> 00:02:35,120 pretty free of inter band drama. But when I was like, 53 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:36,879 and my dad, you know, he listens to the show, 54 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,639 he might remember this. When I was a kid, I 55 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:44,240 watched a documentary with my dad and I don't remember 56 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:49,759 if it was a documentary specifically about Brian Brian Adams, 57 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:54,280 No from the Beach Boys, Brian Wilson. I don't remember 58 00:02:54,319 --> 00:02:56,319 if it was specifically about Brian Wilson or if it 59 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,680 was a broader documentary about the Beach Boys. But there 60 00:02:59,719 --> 00:03:01,719 was a point, and it was really when they were 61 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,120 kind of at the height of their their fame where 62 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,680 they were touring and the group and obviously the Beach Boys, 63 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,759 there's a bunch of members. They had kind of split 64 00:03:10,879 --> 00:03:15,840 into two factions and because they weren't getting along, like 65 00:03:15,879 --> 00:03:19,719 there was the Brian Wilson faction and the Mike Love faction. 66 00:03:20,599 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 3: Didn't even know that and. 67 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: They would actually enter the stage when it was time 68 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,159 to play. They would enter the stage both factions from 69 00:03:27,199 --> 00:03:30,159 opposite sides of the stage, so that they because they 70 00:03:30,199 --> 00:03:33,319 tried to keep apart, almost like two rival gangs. So 71 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:37,439 they would keep apart, you know, before and after the shows, 72 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,439 but they would actually enter from opposite sides. And then 73 00:03:40,479 --> 00:03:42,479 of course they wouldn't interact at all except for playing 74 00:03:42,479 --> 00:03:43,240 these songs together. 75 00:03:43,319 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 3: But I mean, just that's gonna be so bizarre to 76 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,120 stand on a stage playing music. You would think, so 77 00:03:48,319 --> 00:03:51,000 you're together, but you're not. Well, how does that work? 78 00:03:51,039 --> 00:03:52,520 Did they just because they're not going to play their 79 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,039 guitars and lean into each other? 80 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 2: Right? 81 00:03:54,479 --> 00:03:56,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, none of the like did they have like you know, 82 00:03:56,919 --> 00:04:00,159 you stay away one hundred feet from me on the stage, 83 00:04:00,319 --> 00:04:02,199 don't cross this line. They're gonna take a piece of 84 00:04:02,199 --> 00:04:04,159 tape and like put it down the middle. This is 85 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:05,039 my side. 86 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so weird. 87 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,879 Speaker 1: And but I also wonder too about practical things like 88 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:11,879 how do you even write a set. 89 00:04:11,639 --> 00:04:14,639 Speaker 2: List if if you can't even speak to each other, 90 00:04:14,639 --> 00:04:18,000 you know what I mean? An intermediary or there's probably 91 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:19,279 one person who who. 92 00:04:19,399 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 3: Is in charge with the legal pad of paper and 93 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,759 he's going back and forth. We want to play these songs. Okay, 94 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,120 I'll go to the other faction. Can you agree to 95 00:04:26,199 --> 00:04:28,360 these songs in this order? No, we need to move 96 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,959 this and this and they go back. That's gotta be. 97 00:04:31,319 --> 00:04:33,439 Speaker 2: Oh boy, Yeah, it's got to be very because we. 98 00:04:33,399 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 3: Have like lawyers negotiating everything and have like documents on 99 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,680 how what how the set is gonna run and how 100 00:04:40,759 --> 00:04:45,160 much time each one's gonna get. That's terrible and this 101 00:04:45,319 --> 00:04:47,759 is sad. It's like all these bands from when we 102 00:04:47,759 --> 00:04:52,279 were younger are like suing each other, you know what 103 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,680 I mean, Like Darryl holl and John Oh, it's that's 104 00:04:54,759 --> 00:05:00,000 lawsuits and Journey's got lawsuits and like everybody's against you. 105 00:05:00,439 --> 00:05:01,079 But the weird and. 106 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,439 Speaker 1: W but the weird thing with Journey is some of 107 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,600 this litigation that's been going on between Jonathan Kane and 108 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,839 Neil Sean has been going on for years. Like they've 109 00:05:11,879 --> 00:05:16,399 been out on tours while there was active litigation between them, 110 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:18,879 you know. So that's like, you know, that's a step 111 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,160 further than just not getting along or not really speaking 112 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:21,839 to each other much. 113 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 3: But they have their they have themselves set up as 114 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:26,680 a company with directors. 115 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, which which is which Steve Perry is still a 116 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:30,759 part of. 117 00:05:30,759 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: By the way, Oh, and then there was that weird 118 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,800 thing a few years ago where and this for this thing, 119 00:05:36,879 --> 00:05:39,000 I think Jonathan Kane and Neil Sean were on the 120 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:43,360 same side where Ross Valerie and the other guy's name 121 00:05:43,399 --> 00:05:50,000 I can't remember now, Steve something. They actually they actually 122 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,600 tried to take over the company. They tried to do 123 00:05:52,639 --> 00:05:55,000 some weird legal maneuvering where they were going to take 124 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:59,439 over ownership of the company, the Control's Journey. Yeah, and 125 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,199 they ended up And that's why they ended up getting 126 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,800 kicked out of the band was because they tried to 127 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,759 take over. And I think Steve Ferry even got involved. Again, 128 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,079 he's not in the band, hasn't been for decades now 129 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,920 for them now, Arnelle Paneda. 130 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 2: He's been in the band for a long time. Yeah, 131 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:17,160 he's been in the band a long time now. 132 00:06:17,639 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 3: But okay, so let's get into some meat. Shoan Is 133 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:29,279 was sued by Cain because he said Caine says, you 134 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:34,360 unfairly blocked me from the company's American Express account. But 135 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,319 Shona is saying, yeah, but I did that because you're 136 00:06:37,399 --> 00:06:40,240 using it, you're misusing it, and you're using money to 137 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,720 pay for like you in your wife's hotel room. So this. 138 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,480 It's always the money. It's always the money. It's always 139 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,639 the money. But Caine is claiming that Shan has spent 140 00:06:51,759 --> 00:06:57,839 up to ten thousand dollars per night for hotel rooms 141 00:06:59,319 --> 00:07:03,680 during their most tour. Ten thousand dollars a night. Where 142 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,360 are you staying? Where in the heck. 143 00:07:06,199 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 2: Are you staying this journey? They're famous? 144 00:07:08,519 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 3: Oh my god, like you could. You could rent a 145 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,639 home for somebody for a year for one night stay 146 00:07:14,639 --> 00:07:19,720 in this hotel. It's insane. Who spends Why why do 147 00:07:19,759 --> 00:07:22,279 you spend ten grand on a hotel room? Why you're 148 00:07:22,319 --> 00:07:23,839 gonna you're barely gonna be in it. 149 00:07:24,399 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: I mean, if it was somebody like Motley Crue, you 150 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,439 know back in the day, you would you would figure, well, 151 00:07:28,439 --> 00:07:29,800 they probably wreck everything, and they did. 152 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 3: That's why they needed ten thousand for a night though, 153 00:07:32,519 --> 00:07:34,000 because they had to replace hoteur. 154 00:07:34,279 --> 00:07:36,639 Speaker 1: But I don't think Jonathan Kane is throwing a couch 155 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:37,279 out a window. 156 00:07:37,439 --> 00:07:40,879 Speaker 3: Sounds like he's being exorbitant in a spending Yeah, you know, 157 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:46,600 so Cain has shown each control exactly fifty percent of 158 00:07:46,639 --> 00:07:50,920 the company. Yeah, so which is you've got You've got 159 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,160 heads just solid into each other. 160 00:07:53,079 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: Which is not the same as ownership. We should we 161 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:56,040 should clarify. 162 00:07:55,639 --> 00:07:57,879 Speaker 3: That control versus ownership is different. 163 00:07:57,759 --> 00:07:59,959 Speaker 1: Right right, Because, like I said, Steve Perry still own 164 00:08:00,639 --> 00:08:02,279 I don't know the guys who are cast out of 165 00:08:02,279 --> 00:08:04,680 the band, I don't know if they still own part 166 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,560 of the company as well. Like I said, they tried 167 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,600 to take control of it and it got them fired 168 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,279 from the band. But that doesn't mean they don't still 169 00:08:11,319 --> 00:08:14,759 own stakes in the company. But yes, Neil Sean and 170 00:08:14,839 --> 00:08:16,240 Jonathan Kane, and by the way, for it. 171 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,439 Speaker 3: Give me any number of people with steaks in the company. 172 00:08:18,519 --> 00:08:21,120 I mean, yeah, it's not even limited to the band 173 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:22,079 members themselves. 174 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:23,759 Speaker 1: And for those who don't know, Neil Sean of course 175 00:08:23,839 --> 00:08:26,240 is a guitar player, and Jonathan Kane is the keyboard 176 00:08:26,279 --> 00:08:29,519 player who occasionally plays guitar on some songs that don't 177 00:08:29,519 --> 00:08:33,120 have keyboard, like a Stone in Love for example. 178 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 3: It's like they're going head to head. So another one 179 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,399 of the issues that these guys are doing is one 180 00:08:38,399 --> 00:08:41,480 of them will fire somebody and then maybe a few 181 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,320 hours or days later, the other one will rehire the 182 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,720 same person that got fired. Yeah, so you got one, 183 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,519 director goes, I can't stand you get out and then 184 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,799 like two days later, the other one goes, come back, 185 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:53,840 come back. 186 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 2: Well, here's what this is. 187 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 3: It's like it's it's like tip for tat, I'm gonna 188 00:08:59,080 --> 00:08:59,399 get you. 189 00:09:00,159 --> 00:09:02,519 Speaker 2: This is you know, Yeah, it's not It's no way 190 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:03,320 to run a business. 191 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 3: No, this is terrible. I mean and I can't even 192 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,440 imagine me. Can you imagine being an employee if one 193 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,679 you get to worry, if one director doesn't like you, 194 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,159 they might toss you. You get a stay in somebody's 195 00:09:15,159 --> 00:09:17,080 good side to stay in the company. 196 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,879 Speaker 1: Well, this is from Billboard dot com. It says a 197 00:09:19,919 --> 00:09:22,639 never any legal battle between Journey members Jonathan Kan and 198 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:26,039 Neil Sean erupted again this week, with Kane filing a 199 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,960 new lawsuit against Sean overclaims that is exorbitant spending is 200 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,159 threatening to cripple the band's touring operations, and a complaint 201 00:09:33,159 --> 00:09:36,840 made public and Delaware Court on Tuesday, July thirtieth. Kane 202 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:41,360 claimed that Shawn's alleged spending, including unilaterally chartering private jets 203 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,639 and charging personal expenses to their shared American Express card, 204 00:09:45,039 --> 00:09:49,519 has led to a deadlock that must be resolved. Kine's 205 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:54,240 lawyers right quote. The deadlock between the company's directors, is 206 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,679 now interfering with the company's ability to take even the 207 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,279 most basic actions, and is causing significant disruptions in the 208 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,799 smooth operation of the company. The problems posed a severe 209 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,159 threat of harm to the company and to Journey's storied 210 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,159 history of musical greatness. 211 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 2: Unquote. 212 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: Legal battles are nothing new for Sean and Kin, the 213 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,399 two remaining members of an iconic rock band that still 214 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,559 is printing money money decades after its Don't Stop Believe 215 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,080 in Heyday. Back in twenty twenty two, Sean sued Caine 216 00:10:24,159 --> 00:10:28,159 over allegations that his bandmate had unfairly blocked his access 217 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,360 to the American Express account, interfering with the band's activities 218 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,279 and delaying payments to crew members and vendors. A few 219 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:38,080 months later, Caine sued him back, claiming he had placed 220 00:10:38,159 --> 00:10:41,399 those restrictions on the MX to stop Sean from misusing 221 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,960 the company card, including spending four hundred thousand dollars in 222 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,480 a single month. So they both accuse each other of overspending. 223 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,440 The new case, filed in Delawarre's Clansery Court, largely rehashes 224 00:10:54,639 --> 00:10:58,600 those same disagreements over spending, like Caine claiming that Sean 225 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,440 has quote spent up to ten thousand dollars per night 226 00:11:02,159 --> 00:11:05,600 for hotel rooms for him and his wife unquote during 227 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,600 their most recent tour. But in technical terms, the new 228 00:11:09,639 --> 00:11:13,679 case focuses narrowly on the governance of Freedom twenty twenty, Inc. 229 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,279 A Delaware based corporate entity that's that they created to 230 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:23,080 operate Journeys touring. Since Cain and Sean each control exactly 231 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,000 fifty percent of the company, the lawsuit says the two 232 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:30,120 have reached an impasse that is spilled into other aspects 233 00:11:30,159 --> 00:11:38,639 of the band's operations, like managing their staffers. By the way, 234 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,720 the reason this company exists to begin with this Freedom 235 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,799 twenty twenty Inc. Is because apparently a number of years ago, 236 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,360 this if I'm remembering this correctly, this is what I've read, 237 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,360 because I've tried to follow all the journey drama as 238 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,720 much as possible, and I am a fan, you know. 239 00:11:55,799 --> 00:12:02,120 But a number of years ago, Neil shown and his 240 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:08,240 wife started looking into They started looking more closely at 241 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:13,039 journeys of financial operations as a band from a business standpoint, 242 00:12:13,039 --> 00:12:17,320 because they had a manager and they felt like the manager. 243 00:12:17,519 --> 00:12:19,480 Not that I don't think this was a case of 244 00:12:19,519 --> 00:12:21,200 the manager. You know, you hear about this a lot 245 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,320 in the music industry. You know, a manager stealing or 246 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,960 or somebody's ripping off the band, or you know, or 247 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,080 a band suing their record label because they feel like 248 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:30,559 their record label is stealing from them. 249 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:31,799 Speaker 2: There's a lot of horror stories. 250 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,759 Speaker 1: But this was a case of they just they started 251 00:12:36,759 --> 00:12:38,639 to when they looked into things. Neil Sewan and his 252 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,559 wife felt like Journey was getting a raw deal. 253 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 2: You know, they were playing. 254 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: These venues and but they didn't seem to be making 255 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,000 that much money, and they didn't understand where the money 256 00:12:48,039 --> 00:12:50,080 was going, what was happening to their profits and whatnot. 257 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,159 So they I think they just basically fired their entire 258 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,879 management team at the time and said, we're going to 259 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,440 run everything ourselves. Other artists have tried to do that. 260 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,039 It's hard to do at that level. 261 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 2: Years ago. 262 00:13:04,519 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: I saw a documentary about back in the nineties when 263 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:09,960 Duran Duran tried to do it. 264 00:13:10,759 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 2: They actually tried to. 265 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,799 Speaker 1: They fired their their management team and said, We're just 266 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:15,879 going to do everything ourselves. 267 00:13:15,919 --> 00:13:17,879 Speaker 2: We can do everything ourselves. Why are we paying out 268 00:13:17,919 --> 00:13:18,960 all this money? 269 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 3: And oh yeah, they did that. 270 00:13:21,799 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 2: They well they did. 271 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:24,799 Speaker 1: You might not have known, because unless you happen to 272 00:13:24,799 --> 00:13:28,679 see this particular documentary, because it didn't last long. They 273 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,639 did it, they tried it, and they said, oh my god, 274 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,480 we are in so far over our heads. We cannot 275 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:38,399 run this band this way. So then they undid, you know, 276 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,039 they hired a new management team and everything, and they 277 00:13:41,039 --> 00:13:47,240 said never again. Kiss during the eighties for a long 278 00:13:47,279 --> 00:13:50,639 period of time, they didn't have a manager per se. 279 00:13:51,279 --> 00:13:53,679 They had their the accounting firm they were working with, 280 00:13:53,759 --> 00:13:57,480 Glickman Marx was kind of their kind of their managers, 281 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,159 and that they they you know, we kind of ran 282 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:05,440 the business of Kiss. But Kiss was essentially self managed 283 00:14:07,759 --> 00:14:10,039 actually at a couple of points during their career, and 284 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:11,440 they managed to pull it off. 285 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 3: Jean's are real business minded guy though, like. 286 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: Well, and so is Paul Stanley and they yeah, and 287 00:14:19,159 --> 00:14:21,120 they they managed they got away. 288 00:14:21,159 --> 00:14:24,799 Speaker 3: They've always treated it like a business. Yes, that's a 289 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,600 big and they also don't have as much I mean, yeah, 290 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,399 there was some alcohol, but they didn't have like that 291 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:36,200 as a as a bigger issue, right, Yeah, whereas other 292 00:14:36,279 --> 00:14:38,200 bands of that era, it was all of the band 293 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,159 was doing that, right. These guys kept their heads on straight. 294 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:41,879 Speaker 2: The whole time. 295 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,759 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and we're always treating it like a business. 296 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: Right yeah, like all this stuff with Journey, you cannot 297 00:14:49,279 --> 00:14:52,960 imagine this happening and kiss, anything like this would would 298 00:14:53,039 --> 00:14:58,679 never happen in Kiss. So again, this is from Billboard 299 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:02,200 dot com. In technical terms, the new case focus is narrowly. 300 00:15:04,399 --> 00:15:06,240 Oh I'm sorry, I read that part already. Let me 301 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:12,200 go down here. So Cain's lawyer, this is what Jonathan 302 00:15:12,279 --> 00:15:16,799 Kaine's lawyers say in the lawsuit. Quote, Petitioner and respondent 303 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,440 are deadlocked with regard to issues concerning the hiring and 304 00:15:20,559 --> 00:15:25,080 firing of company employees and band crew members. It is 305 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,480 common that one director will terminate an employee or crew member, 306 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,200 and hours or days later, the other director will rehire 307 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:33,120 that same individual. 308 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:33,759 Speaker 2: Unquote. 309 00:15:34,159 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: As you mentioned earlier, the lawsuit claims the strife between 310 00:15:37,759 --> 00:15:40,000 Cain and Shawn has also led to other problems, including 311 00:15:40,039 --> 00:15:44,720 disagreements about whether to accept an advance from AEG for 312 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:49,159 their most recent tour, the purchase of cancelation insurance, and 313 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:53,840 other problems. Cain's lawyer's right quote. The deadlock between petitioner 314 00:15:53,879 --> 00:15:57,679 and respondent has created a toxic internal environment. Rather than 315 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,200 focusing on the band's performances during a major international tour. 316 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,200 The band's members and crew now find themselves caught in 317 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,279 the middle of the director's disputes, afraid of performing their 318 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:11,639 job responsibilities, and pressured to align with one director or 319 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,960 another unquote that's. 320 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:18,679 Speaker 3: Horrible work environment. Oh yeah, the music can't imagine. 321 00:16:18,279 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 2: The music industry is hard enough without all this. 322 00:16:20,279 --> 00:16:22,039 Speaker 3: Talk about hiding from your bosses. 323 00:16:22,159 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, get in the bathroom they're coming, well, or 324 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,480 hiding from one of them, exactly. 325 00:16:27,879 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 3: From both of them. I feel like I just don't 326 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:30,679 want to be in the middle of any of this. 327 00:16:31,519 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 2: I think in this stay in this situation. 328 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: Probably some of them they hide from whichever one fired 329 00:16:36,279 --> 00:16:38,960 them and try and try to stay close to whichever one. 330 00:16:39,039 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 3: Really doesn't see me. You won't know I got. 331 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: Brought back, Yeah, exactly, it says here. As a solution, 332 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,960 Ken is asking the court to appoint a neutral third 333 00:16:49,159 --> 00:16:51,960 director of the company who will be able to issue 334 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,399 the tie breaking vote during disputes over key issues. 335 00:16:54,559 --> 00:16:57,679 Speaker 3: Well, what they're like divorced parents fighting over their children. 336 00:16:57,919 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 2: Well, what they need is a manager. See it sounds 337 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:01,519 like they don't have a. 338 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,759 Speaker 3: Third person to be Well, they're supposed to have a 339 00:17:03,799 --> 00:17:05,680 third person, but it doesn't really go into the much. 340 00:17:05,799 --> 00:17:07,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, well it sounds like. 341 00:17:07,039 --> 00:17:09,839 Speaker 3: Oh the ohh whoats because I jumped ahead. 342 00:17:10,079 --> 00:17:12,519 Speaker 1: It sounds like they don't have a manager either, right, 343 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:16,279 so they're they're just they're running everything themselves. I think 344 00:17:16,319 --> 00:17:19,279 there's managers to a point, well, because part of what 345 00:17:19,319 --> 00:17:21,599 a manager of a band does is say, you know, 346 00:17:21,799 --> 00:17:24,039 like if there's a dispute like this, the manager says, look, 347 00:17:24,039 --> 00:17:24,680 we're going to do this. 348 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 2: You know, you guys hired me to run this band. 349 00:17:27,599 --> 00:17:28,519 Here's what we're gonna do. 350 00:17:28,759 --> 00:17:33,079 Speaker 3: Kin is asking the court to appoint a third director 351 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,000 who could be a neutral director that could issue a 352 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,839 tie breaking vote on all of these issues. Because you 353 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,680 just it's divorced. It's like divorced parents fighting over the 354 00:17:42,799 --> 00:17:43,720 kids in the house. 355 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's. 356 00:17:45,039 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 3: You get these two equal in ownership, I mean equal 357 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:53,759 indecision making right fifty to fifty directors and they don't agree. 358 00:17:53,839 --> 00:17:56,480 And they not only do they not agree, they set 359 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,960 out to go against the other one. Oh you fired so, 360 00:17:59,039 --> 00:18:00,640 and so I'm gonna bring them back. 361 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 2: Yeah. 362 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 3: So this is yeah, they're it's it's it's sad. It's 363 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,400 sad to see all this happening. But I mean, you 364 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:16,279 look at some of the stuff he's reporting. Kane is 365 00:18:16,319 --> 00:18:21,559 claiming he put the restrictions on the card because he's 366 00:18:21,599 --> 00:18:26,880 the other guy. Sorry, Sean spent four hundred thousand dollars 367 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:31,880 on the American Express card in one month. One month. 368 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:34,920 I think I could live off of that much money 369 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,559 for the rest of my life and he spent that 370 00:18:37,759 --> 00:18:38,480 one month. 371 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy. 372 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 3: And American Express is the one that you got to 373 00:18:42,279 --> 00:18:44,599 pay off everything the next month. You can't carry a 374 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:49,240 balance on that sucker. So one dude does four hundred thousand, 375 00:18:49,279 --> 00:18:51,519 and everybody else is even just using it reasonably like 376 00:18:51,519 --> 00:18:54,279 they're supposed to. That's a heck of a month filled 377 00:18:54,279 --> 00:18:58,359 the way. Jeez, gonna buy a house, buy a couple. 378 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 2: Of houses, Yeah, you can do a whole lot. 379 00:19:01,839 --> 00:19:05,079 Speaker 1: That's crazy, says In a statement to Billboard, Kaine's attorney 380 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:09,079 said Liebisman. Leibsman stressed that his client was not seeking 381 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,200 damages and only wanted to resolve the impasse. 382 00:19:11,279 --> 00:19:11,599 Speaker 2: Quote. 383 00:19:11,599 --> 00:19:14,319 Speaker 1: It is expected that the third director will provide resolution 384 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,359 to the issues between John and Neil. It is John's 385 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,559 intent for Journey to continue providing great live music throughout 386 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,799 the current tour. Unquote, an attorney who was who has 387 00:19:24,839 --> 00:19:27,960 represented Sean in his previous litigation with Kin, did not 388 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,279 return a request for comment. Okay, And then it gets 389 00:19:30,279 --> 00:19:31,920 to what I was talking about earlier. It says here 390 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,720 even before Sean and Kin came to blows, members of 391 00:19:34,839 --> 00:19:37,960 Journey had been sparring in court for years. Back in 392 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,680 twenty twenty, the two men teamed up to file a 393 00:19:40,759 --> 00:19:45,400 lawsuit against former drummer Steve Smith Steven Smith that's rights, 394 00:19:45,559 --> 00:19:48,359 I couldn't remember his last name, and former bassist Ross 395 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,160 Valerie over the band's name, and in twenty twenty two, 396 00:19:52,279 --> 00:19:55,200 former lead singer Steve Perry took legal action to help 397 00:19:55,279 --> 00:19:59,920 Sean and Kane from registering Oh I'm sorry to stop, 398 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,359 Rather not to help, but to stop Sean and Kane 399 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,960 from registering federal trademarks on the names of many of 400 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,240 the band's biggest hits. 401 00:20:07,319 --> 00:20:07,519 Speaker 3: Yeah. 402 00:20:07,559 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 2: I remember that. 403 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: That was interesting too, Yeah, because part of what when 404 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,880 Neil Shawn and his wife started looking into things, part 405 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:20,279 of what they realized was that you know, somebody could, 406 00:20:21,279 --> 00:20:24,039 for example, make a T shirt that says don't stop 407 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:28,039 believing on it, and you know, well, why aren't we 408 00:20:28,079 --> 00:20:30,640 making that money when people here don't stop believing they 409 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,160 think of our song, you know, we should register these trademarks. 410 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,960 And and you know, Steve Perry's going, wait a minute, 411 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,000 I wrote those lyrics. Why do you get to trademark that? 412 00:20:42,519 --> 00:20:45,559 Speaker 2: You know? So he actually helped prevent them from doing that. 413 00:20:45,599 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 3: Why wasn't it done under the company? Like it makes 414 00:20:50,559 --> 00:20:51,359 I get what they're. 415 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: Saying, Well, it probably was, but but Steve Perry said, nope, 416 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:56,319 you're not doing that. 417 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 3: Well, I don't blame him, You blame like you said, 418 00:21:00,039 --> 00:21:02,400 he still has ownership. Yeah, he may not be in 419 00:21:02,759 --> 00:21:04,759 the decision room, which it sounds like it's not a 420 00:21:04,759 --> 00:21:07,440 fun place to be anyway, Right, I wouldn't blame them 421 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:14,720 one bit. Yeah, it's awful how these bands have devolved 422 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,920 into this, you know what I'm saying, Like, Yeah, I 423 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:20,440 mean when I can think back when I was a 424 00:21:20,519 --> 00:21:23,799 kid and they look so fun and happy, Like what 425 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,240 happened to you? Guys? You're fun and happy? Now they're 426 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,559 sueing each other. Although I can't blame them all right, 427 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,039 I'm sorry. If we had a business and all of 428 00:21:32,079 --> 00:21:34,319 a sudden, you're looking at a four hundred thousand dollars 429 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:38,279 bill on one of your charge cards by one person 430 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:42,759 in the business, I'd lose my mind. Yeah, I can't 431 00:21:42,799 --> 00:21:45,640 even imagine seeing a bill like that and not losing 432 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,440 your mind. And what is the other guy thinking? Is 433 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,480 he going like I deserve this? So I'm just gonna 434 00:21:51,799 --> 00:21:56,400 keep pulling this card out like I deserve this. I mean, 435 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,599 you got to tell yourself something to talk yourself into 436 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:03,640 making it to rent a ten thousand dollars. 437 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:04,319 Speaker 2: I disagree. 438 00:22:04,319 --> 00:22:06,079 Speaker 1: I don't think you have to talk yourself into anything 439 00:22:06,079 --> 00:22:09,920 at that point when you're that rich and you're that famous. 440 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,559 I think something happens psychologically where no, I don't think they. 441 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,759 I think that's the problem. They don't have to talk 442 00:22:16,799 --> 00:22:22,000 themselves into anything. And a lot of famous people, people 443 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,799 who've been very wealthy, who then they go through a 444 00:22:23,799 --> 00:22:25,680 thing where they have it and then they lose it 445 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,440 all they talk about this how at the height of 446 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,200 their fame and wealth, they just kind of assume they 447 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,319 get into this mindset where they just assume it's going 448 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,400 to be that way forever. They're going to be super 449 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,119 famous forever, the money's going to be coming in forever, 450 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,240 so they can spend as much as they want to 451 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,000 and never have to worry about it, and it just 452 00:22:43,079 --> 00:22:48,559 becomes a thing. And in Journeys case, not that I'm 453 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:53,079 justifying it, but you can almost see where because he Journey, 454 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,000 you have a band that was at their peak in 455 00:22:57,079 --> 00:23:02,119 the eighties but has actually still managed to I mean, 456 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,240 you know, haven't had a hit song in decades, but 457 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,720 they still love the classics, and they still do so 458 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:12,000 much business touring. They can still tour arenas and and 459 00:23:12,079 --> 00:23:14,160 still make so much money. And that's really where the 460 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,880 money is anyway, That and merchandising and and so in 461 00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:21,279 their case, the money actually has never stopped coming. 462 00:23:22,079 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 3: So but this is a grotesque greed that's involved in that. 463 00:23:25,279 --> 00:23:28,240 I'm sorry because I mean, I can't I if I 464 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,599 had all of this, I won the lottery, I have 465 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,720 money now. I still I wouldn't want to go buy 466 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,039 a ginormous frickin' mansion that costs a fortune to run 467 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,839 and takes incredible amounts of work to clean. I'd want 468 00:23:41,839 --> 00:23:44,880 a nice, little small place that has a little garden, 469 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,680 makes me happy and money in the bank to sustain 470 00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:51,440 me for the rest of my days. I just I 471 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,440 always I'm always in It's always mind boggling when you 472 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,599 look at some of these people and it's like, why 473 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:01,960 did you buy that ginormous house for two people? How 474 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,359 does that work? Why is that worth it? Why is 475 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,799 it worth it to have a five hundred dollars electric bill? 476 00:24:08,079 --> 00:24:11,119 And you know, I imagine a three hundred dollars gas bill. 477 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,599 I mean, I can't imagine how much it costs just 478 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,400 to run the house itself. Now, how much work does 479 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,400 it take to upkeep it, clean it, to paint, to 480 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,119 fix it. I mean I watch my dad upkeep his house, 481 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,799 and he's meticulous. This house is gorgeous, but he works 482 00:24:27,839 --> 00:24:31,119 his bum off all the time, every week, every year, 483 00:24:31,279 --> 00:24:34,119 every month to keep that house looking that way. It 484 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,359 takes work to keep it that way. It doesn't just 485 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,720 magically stay that way. These guys get this money and 486 00:24:39,759 --> 00:24:45,160 they buy these monstrosities of homes. And I've got ten cars. 487 00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:48,480 Why you can only drive one at a time. Why 488 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,240 why is it that when you get some money in 489 00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:54,359 your hands, all of a sudden, there's this grotesque greed 490 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,480 and you forget all of the decency that you used 491 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,680 to be, or the decent things you used to say, 492 00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:02,599 or the things you used to Oh gee, I wish 493 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,039 I could do this? Or do you wish I could 494 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,440 help that one? But then the minute the money gets 495 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,839 into the hand, it's like you forget all of that, right, 496 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,480 But these yeah, something happens. I think you're right, something 497 00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:15,599 happens to these people's brains that they think, well, since 498 00:25:15,599 --> 00:25:19,880 I always have this, I should I must own a 499 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,400 four million dollar ginormous home that I only live in 500 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:28,119 two rooms of, because really, you can't enjoy a house that. 501 00:25:28,319 --> 00:25:30,319 How do you enjoy a house that being a one person? 502 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: I come on, I think it's probably for people it's 503 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,400 just all about status. It's ego showing off an ego. 504 00:25:37,519 --> 00:25:43,039 And I know everyone says this, but I really do 505 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,480 think it's It's true in my case and in yours too. 506 00:25:46,599 --> 00:25:49,319 But yeah, if I if I had that kind of money, 507 00:25:49,319 --> 00:25:52,480 that's not where I would put it because I'm something 508 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,160 of a minimalist, like I don't want Like, there's nothing 509 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,160 about the idea of living in a mansion with rooms 510 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,039 I don't even use, just to have it. There's nothing 511 00:26:03,079 --> 00:26:06,880 about that that appeals to me. No, theres nothing about 512 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:07,680 it that appeals to me. 513 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,079 Speaker 3: Of course, my brain goes to, you know, it's how 514 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,599 much upkeep that is. But yeah, but plus I like 515 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:13,480 small and cozy. 516 00:26:13,759 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 2: But I think I think most people though it is. 517 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,799 Speaker 1: It is strange, and it's something I've noticed from what 518 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,319 I realized this from a pretty young age. 519 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,319 Speaker 2: Most people, if you talk to them about about what 520 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,559 it would be like to be rich, they do. 521 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: They will tell you, oh, yeah, I'd have ten cars 522 00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:33,559 and a mansion, and it's like, really, you wouldn't, You 523 00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:37,160 wouldn't that's what you would do. Like I do think 524 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,480 there's something in the human condition where most people I 525 00:26:39,519 --> 00:26:40,640 think we're the odd ones. 526 00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 2: I think I think most people, yeah, that's what they 527 00:26:43,599 --> 00:26:44,079 think about. 528 00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 3: And it's like, why, but I only need to drive 529 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,960 one car at a time. I could take two cars 530 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,119 and be quite content and take the other eight cars 531 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:56,240 and go feed like an entire freaking school system. There's 532 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,640 so much you could do with that crazy amount of money. Yeah, 533 00:26:59,759 --> 00:27:02,519 you know what I mean that I can't. It's like 534 00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:05,599 people who spend thousands of dollars on these red bottom shoes. 535 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,079 I can't understand it to me because to spend thousands 536 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,319 of dollars on a pair of shoes, to me sounds 537 00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:15,720 like grotesque greed. Like I don't need a decent pair 538 00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:20,079 of shoes doesn't cost that much because I grew up though, 539 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:21,720 I grew up with a dad that taught me the 540 00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:24,519 value of a dollar, you know, So you know, you 541 00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:26,839 didn't take anything for granted. If you got a pair. 542 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,680 When I got to go to the shoes store and 543 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,359 I got to come home with two or three pairs 544 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,200 of shoes, that was a big deal. To get two 545 00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:35,920 pairs or to get three pairs, that was a big deal. 546 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,400 That was that was money. And for us, you know, 547 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,680 it's not a pair of shoes, but ooh, I got 548 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,759 your dress shoes and sneakers like that was a big deal. 549 00:27:43,759 --> 00:27:47,319 To be able to do that. I can't imagine. I 550 00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:49,480 don't know. I guess yeah, maybe we are the odd 551 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,559 balls out. It's just it takes very little to make 552 00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:56,519 me happy. And I can't imagine wasting so much money 553 00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:58,359 when there's so much in the world that you could 554 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,319 do to make I make. How many lives did you 555 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,039 save with one car? 556 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 2: Hill? 557 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 4: Hello? 558 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,519 Speaker 2: Hello? 559 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:08,519 Speaker 4: Is this the mass? 560 00:28:09,079 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: Oh? 561 00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 2: My goodness is this John C. 562 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:11,759 Speaker 3: Hopwood? 563 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm listening to your conversation. Uh, I don't know 564 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,000 how old was Journey when they made it big? How 565 00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:24,119 what was the average age. 566 00:28:24,319 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 3: They were pretty young, weren't they. 567 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, they had to be pretty young. 568 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,759 Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess and say I'm gonna guess in say 569 00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:30,400 twenty five. 570 00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:35,759 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's a big difference, though. Richard Burretton 571 00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:38,920 always said there's a big difference becoming really famous when 572 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,079 you're very young, like Elizabeth Taylor and Marion and Brando 573 00:28:42,119 --> 00:28:45,599 where it was almost forty when he became famous and rich. 574 00:28:46,079 --> 00:28:50,559 You know, you're immature, right, and so you buy your toys. 575 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,559 But with the Beatles, who were you know, very young 576 00:28:53,599 --> 00:28:55,720 when they got rich. Both think houses and everything were 577 00:28:55,839 --> 00:28:59,240 tacked right off. So I just thought I brought that. 578 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,920 Bring that great? Shall miss you? 579 00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 2: Take care all right, Thanks for the call time. I 580 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,160 appreciate it, bub Bye. 581 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 3: It was nice. 582 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:08,759 Speaker 2: We haven't heard from John and Alote. 583 00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:11,559 Speaker 1: I know, yeah, is he on the other side of 584 00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:14,839 the world now, I'm not sure. He sounded like he 585 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,920 was on a train or something. It's very loud. No, 586 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,400 it was nice to hear from him though. Yeah, uh, 587 00:29:19,839 --> 00:29:22,839 I wonder you know, to John's point about how they 588 00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:23,759 were very young. 589 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 3: Well, that has an aspect of course, because when I 590 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,640 was younger, I was very stupid now that I look 591 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,000 back on myself. 592 00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:33,279 Speaker 1: And I wonder, I wonder John's observation. I wonder if 593 00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:35,880 that that's gotta be thinking, Is that part of the 594 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,960 problem if you become if you do become so successful 595 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,799 so young, and you have all that money, you establish 596 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,279 a pattern. You know, I was an atherrapist. We talk 597 00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:48,720 a lot about patterns. You establish a pattern of spending 598 00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:54,400 recklessly and foolishly and not practically and uh, and so 599 00:29:54,519 --> 00:29:57,200 whereas as John said, like Richard Burton, who you know, 600 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,519 didn't become wealthy until he was in its forties, if 601 00:30:01,559 --> 00:30:04,039 you become wealthy at an older age, you're you're going 602 00:30:04,039 --> 00:30:07,960 to be more practical and maybe and maybe not be 603 00:30:08,039 --> 00:30:11,119 so foolish as to just assume this gravy train's gonna 604 00:30:11,119 --> 00:30:12,880 go forever. And again, in the case of Journey, it 605 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,960 actually has gone forever. But but uh, but a little 606 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,319 more practical with your money. 607 00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:21,359 Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I think that's an interesting point. 608 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 3: It is like the I mean, to spend money the 609 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,920 way that that was being spent, it has to you 610 00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:28,920 have to have the mindset of an there's no bottom, 611 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,720 there's no there's no my wallet will never be empty, right, 612 00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:35,400 it has got to be your feeling if you can 613 00:30:35,599 --> 00:30:37,920 sign up for a ten thousand dollar hotel room. I mean, 614 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,240 that's just mind boggling to me. Ten grand for one 615 00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:43,759 night is so insane. 616 00:30:43,599 --> 00:30:45,799 Speaker 2: Right, I just can't. 617 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 3: I couldn't do that. I could not do that and 618 00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:51,480 look myself in the mirror. I just couldn't. 619 00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:53,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't. 620 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 3: I could freaking fill a food pantry to the seal. 621 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,200 I'm gonna spend ten grand on one night in a hotel? 622 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,200 Does this hotel have. 623 00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 2: The other thing too? About age? 624 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: You know, because like I said, John brought up you know, 625 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,480 they were probably very young when they established these patterns. 626 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,599 Is and I said the same thing when we were 627 00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:21,319 talking about the I've said this actually while when we 628 00:31:21,359 --> 00:31:23,960 talked about the Daryl Hall versus John Oat lawsuit, and 629 00:31:24,039 --> 00:31:29,119 also in talking about Don Henley. It's like these guys, 630 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,440 these guys in Journey now they're in their seventies. Is 631 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,319 this what you want to be doing when you're in 632 00:31:34,359 --> 00:31:37,240 your seventies, tied up in all this litigation. 633 00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:40,359 Speaker 3: The money, like blind with money, I know. 634 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: But it's like geez, just ah, see them, just do 635 00:31:43,759 --> 00:31:45,839 your thing. I mean, these guys like, I mean, you. 636 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,119 Speaker 3: Took a dollar too much. 637 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,839 Speaker 2: They're so lucky. They're so fortunate not only to. 638 00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:53,599 Speaker 3: Not only to have this, but to have their health, 639 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,440 to be able to do what they're doing. And they 640 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,039 have all this money at their fingertips. They'll never not 641 00:31:59,079 --> 00:32:01,559 want for nothing. Right, they don't worry about clothing or 642 00:32:01,599 --> 00:32:03,799 food or any of that. They have nothing to worry about. 643 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: But this is what they're I mean, Journey's canceling shows now, 644 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,240 this is what they're gonna this is what they're gonna 645 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,000 spend their time on. 646 00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 3: And this is how they're gonna go out. At this point, 647 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:13,880 it satisfy. 648 00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:16,119 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it doesn't go out that way. That's what 649 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,960 I said about Darryl Hall and John Oates. It's like, 650 00:32:18,039 --> 00:32:22,160 oh my god, the biggest selling duo in pop history, 651 00:32:23,079 --> 00:32:25,960 all the money they could ever need, all the fame, 652 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,200 you know, and again they they've sustained, you know, they've 653 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,920 sustained this over so many decades. Yeah, and this is 654 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,960 how it ends. This is how it litigation. 655 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're not gonna talk at you if we 656 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,400 go on stage together, it's opposite sides. You stay on 657 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,160 your side, I'll stay on my side. And it's and 658 00:32:44,319 --> 00:32:46,359 all of it comes down to the one. It's the 659 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,480 ego of money. Yeah, it's all about ego and money. 660 00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:52,319 Speaker 1: And if you're if you're a twenty something, you know, 661 00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:55,559 and you have a conflict with somebody, you know, you 662 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,039 kind of take it. And you shouldn't take it for 663 00:32:57,079 --> 00:32:59,160 granted because anything can happen, but you kind of take 664 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,400 it for granted you had all the time in the world. 665 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,000 At some point, someday you'll rectify things, you'll make up, 666 00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:07,960 everything will be good, you'll get back together, it'll work out. 667 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,039 But you know, when you're in your mid seventies and 668 00:33:11,079 --> 00:33:14,359 you're fighting with somebody over a money or over a contract, 669 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,559 it's like, you know again, I think if Daryl Hall 670 00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:19,319 and John Oates, because I'm such a I grew up 671 00:33:19,359 --> 00:33:22,240 such a huge Hall and Oates fan, it's like, and 672 00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:24,880 this is how, this is how it's going to end 673 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,799 for them, you know. And Daryl hasn't said much about 674 00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:32,200 it John lately. John has said in interviews when asked, 675 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:33,680 you know or you and Daryl do you think you 676 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,039 and Darrel are going to reconcile at some point? 677 00:33:35,079 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 2: He said, probably not. This is probably it. 678 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: And it's like, oh, my God, and he you know, 679 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,279 and honestly, I mean it's the one silver lining with 680 00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:47,200 that is John Oates from what I've seen in the 681 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,920 interviews when he's talking about it, you know, I'm sure 682 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,880 he carries a sadness about the situation, but he also 683 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,720 seems like a little bit of a weight spin lifted 684 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,079 off of him. And Daryl probably feels that way too, 685 00:33:57,119 --> 00:34:00,000 because Daryl Hall was clearly resentful of having to share. 686 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,400 So I'm going to success with John, But I want 687 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:02,799 to go back to. 688 00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:05,759 Speaker 3: What I said something earlier. It is like people getting divorced. Now, 689 00:34:05,799 --> 00:34:08,400 these guys got together, they were in love with each other, 690 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,000 they made music together, that's literally together for so long 691 00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:14,880 that they start nitpicking at each other. Little things start 692 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,480 annoying each other, and they stay together too long and 693 00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:18,960 they end up presenting each other. 694 00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 2: Yes, well that's literally what Daryl. Daryl said, he referred 695 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,480 to it as a global divorce. 696 00:34:25,039 --> 00:34:27,519 Speaker 3: It is, and a lot of reason. It's so sad. 697 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,599 It's so sad. I'm sad for that. 698 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,760 Speaker 1: Well, we only have a little bit of time left 699 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,039 in the hour. But moving on from journey just for 700 00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:40,480 a moment, because this is somewhat excuse me. This is 701 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,639 somewhat related. I apologize I didn't get to the button 702 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:44,599 in time before I coughed. I'm not sick, just my 703 00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:47,320 allergies continue to This has been a bad summer for 704 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:48,079 allergies for me. 705 00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:54,039 Speaker 2: Yeah. But you know this year we talk about people. 706 00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: They get used to spending the money and they you 707 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,679 see this a lot in hip hop. They you know, 708 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,559 the autom eventually falls out. Also from Billboard dot com, 709 00:35:03,679 --> 00:35:07,800 Damon Dash is Rockefella, which is a very famous record 710 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,400 label in hip hop. Rockefeller shares will be auctioned to 711 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:16,599 pay legal judgments. This is from Billboard dot com and 712 00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:19,559 I haven't followed this particular story, but it says Damon 713 00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:23,440 Dash is one third stake in Jay Z's Rockefeller Records 714 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,239 is going up for auction later this month, but a 715 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,639 source tells Billboard that the shows might come with some 716 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,800 the shares rather might come with some key limitations. According 717 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,719 to federal court filings, this week, the US Marshall Service 718 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,679 will auction off Damon Dash's thirty three and a third 719 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,519 interest in the storied record company to satisfy an eight 720 00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:47,599 hundred and twenty three thousand dollars judgment against him in 721 00:35:47,639 --> 00:35:51,079 a lawsuit filed by movie producer Josh Weber over a 722 00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:54,519 failed film partnership. The auction is set for August twenty 723 00:35:54,599 --> 00:35:58,320 nine at a midtown Manhattan hotel. We'll have a minimum 724 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,239 bit of one point two million dollars. I don't want 725 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,440 to get in all the math of it, but skipping 726 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,920 down just quickly. The sale will be for Dash's Steak 727 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:12,079 and Rockefeller, Inc, An entity whose primary assets are the 728 00:36:12,159 --> 00:36:17,239 rights to Jay Z's iconic debut album Reasonable Doubt. According 729 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,079 to an April article by Rolling Stone, the rest of 730 00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:22,960 the catalog of music released by Rockefella, which is dissolved 731 00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:26,400 as an operational label in twenty thirteen, is owned by 732 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,679 other entities and is not involved the owner of the 733 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,239 other two thirds of Rockefeller Label. Co founders Jay Z 734 00:36:33,519 --> 00:36:37,960 and Kareem Biggs Burke, have already attempted to stop the auction, 735 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,119 including making changes to the company's bylaws and interviewing in 736 00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:45,320 the lawsuit. I'm sorry intervening rather in the lawsuit, but 737 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:50,239 a federal judge rejected such opposition in February, and we 738 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,360 won't go through it. This is a long involved article. 739 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,480 Maybe we'll revisit this in the future, but I do 740 00:36:55,559 --> 00:36:58,239 have to wonder if some of the attorneys involved in 741 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,320 this are you know, do they hire law firms that 742 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,159 have also been used by the members of Journey in 743 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:08,119 their uh legal misadventures with each other. 744 00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:10,760 Speaker 2: It just goes on and on.