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Speaker 6: dot com. Joining us today is Matt, a longtime listener,
Speaker 6: and it's great to have them aboard. Matt's going to
Speaker 6: tell his journey to the truth and lots of things
Speaker 6: to cover today. Matt, thank you so much for taking
Speaker 6: the time to join us tonight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for having me on. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Please introduce yourself to the audience so they can
Speaker 3: kind of get to know you.
Speaker 1: Okay, my name is Matt. I'm an Oklahoma native, a
Speaker 1: gen xer born in nineteen eighty. I guess that's the
Speaker 1: last year of gen X, so that's cool. I'm just
Speaker 1: kind of like a normal gen X kid. I grew
Speaker 1: up riding bikes and playing outside. We didn't we didn't
Speaker 1: come into the street, lights came on and climbed trees,
Speaker 1: played Cowboys and Indians, you know, things like that, hide
Speaker 1: and seek. I don't think they do any of that anymore.
Speaker 6: I'm pretty sure you get canceled if you play Cowboys
Speaker 6: and Indians.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Before I was born, my dad had been a
Speaker 1: marine and so pretty strict upbringing. They didn't give you
Speaker 1: any warnings or timeouts. That wasn't a thing. On another note,
Speaker 1: my parents both passed away in twenty twenty amid the
Speaker 1: COVID thing. My mom had lung cancer and she got
Speaker 1: better and then six weeks later they said she had
Speaker 1: stage four liver cancer and they weren't able to save her.
Speaker 1: And that was in March of twenty twenty. And then
Speaker 1: a few months later found out my dad had cancer.
Speaker 1: He didn't even know. He broke his collarbone and they
Speaker 1: were they did an ex straight and they're like, your
Speaker 1: collarbone broke because most of it's gone. He had cancer there,
Speaker 1: he had he had lymph node cancer, he had in
Speaker 1: his brain, like he had cancer literally everywhere. And a
Speaker 1: month later, that was June. A month later in July
Speaker 1: he had passed away. So four months apart, and it
Speaker 1: was just a crazy twenty twenty was horrible for us
Speaker 1: to lose both parents like that, four months apart is
Speaker 1: just wild. But yeah, I've I've been kind of like
Speaker 1: a I thought I was a truther for a long time.
Speaker 1: For like eight ten years. I listened to Rush Limbaugh
Speaker 1: every day. I listened to Neil Boards came on before that,
Speaker 1: and then when he when he went off the air,
Speaker 1: Rush came on. When Rush went off, I listened to
Speaker 1: Sean Hannity, and I really thought that I was informed,
Speaker 1: you know, and I was a conservative Republican. And now
Speaker 1: I'm just like man, all those years I was I
Speaker 1: was being led by the people who are taking you
Speaker 1: where they want to take you. You know. I feel like,
Speaker 1: I hate to say it about Rush now that he's gone,
Speaker 1: because I really liked listening to him, but I kind
Speaker 1: of feel like he was part of the opposition that
Speaker 1: was paid to lead you where they want you to go,
Speaker 1: kind of like all the Alex Jones type, you know.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, those were a lot of years where
Speaker 1: I really thought that I knew what was going on
Speaker 1: in the world. And now it's like, over the last
Speaker 1: couple of years, I started off listening to a conspiracy
Speaker 1: show that was Richard Sarah, and just many topics would
Speaker 1: come up, like the nepheline and things like that, and
Speaker 1: I hadn't really even dealt with any of that. I
Speaker 1: was like, what is the nephiline? And then I started
Speaker 1: digging in and I was like, Wow, I knew about giants,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know that they were probably descendance of demons,
Speaker 1: you know. And then I just really got into listening
Speaker 1: to conspiracy shows and podcasts were kind of getting big,
Speaker 1: so I just started going through and I would start
Speaker 1: with conspiracy in the title, and then somehow I came
Speaker 1: across The Fact Hunter, and I have listened to hundreds
Speaker 1: of hours of both both The Fact Hunter and this program,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of surreal because I feel like I've
Speaker 1: been friends with you for a long time, but we've
Speaker 1: never actually had a conversation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the cool thing with radio.
Speaker 6: I remember growing up and meeting one of the Phillies announcers.
Speaker 3: Was growing up.
Speaker 6: When I went to bed at night, I listened to
Speaker 6: the radio. Radio was a big part of my life
Speaker 6: growing up. I'm obviously a gen X or a decade
Speaker 6: older than you, but you know, when you started introducing
Speaker 6: yourself and you were mentioning how what our childhood was like,
Speaker 6: I don't know what word to use, but man, it's
Speaker 6: just it was I don't want to use the word wholesome,
Speaker 6: but it was such. You know, the parents didn't worry
Speaker 6: about us the way they do today. We got on
Speaker 6: our bikes, we rode around.
Speaker 3: And what really resonated.
Speaker 6: With me is when you mentioned the street lights, because
Speaker 6: that was the universal code in our neighborhood. No matter
Speaker 6: what we were doing, whether we were playing baseball or
Speaker 6: riding our bikes, the street light came on all right,
Speaker 6: we got to go home because my mom usually put
Speaker 6: on a limit of five to ten minutes, like after
Speaker 6: the street lights came on or else I was going
Speaker 6: to get a talking to. And it's just so interesting
Speaker 6: within a matter of you know, thirty years, how different
Speaker 6: of a childhood that we have versus what they have today.
Speaker 6: And if you go from the fifties to the thirties,
Speaker 6: even that isn't such a huge difference. It was kind
Speaker 6: of the same thing. People their bikes, played ball, street
Speaker 6: lights came on, they went home. But you know, over
Speaker 6: the last ten twenty years, everything has changed.
Speaker 3: Across the board.
Speaker 6: And obviously I think video games and the cell phones,
Speaker 6: and you know, I don't.
Speaker 3: I can't point to a particular.
Speaker 6: Event, but I guess I just kind of miss those
Speaker 6: times when you know you can trust your neighbors and
Speaker 6: your children could go out ride bikes, and they're more
Speaker 6: interested of interacting with each other face to face versus
Speaker 6: chatting online or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1: Right, I think the advent of the Internet, and well,
Speaker 1: like even even when I was young, and like the
Speaker 1: early eighties, early to mid eighties, when the Nintendo came
Speaker 1: out and people quit coming outside as much and then
Speaker 1: it just went from there, the Super Nintendo and Sega.
Speaker 1: It just it got really crazy. And with the with
Speaker 1: the advent of the PC and all the games and
Speaker 1: Internet and cell phones. Now, like kids are gonna have
Speaker 1: negg problems, their heads always down, they always have their phones.
Speaker 1: I can't. I have. I have a few. Like we
Speaker 1: have four children all together. I have a son from
Speaker 1: my previous marriage, and my wife has two daughters, and
Speaker 1: so my my son's thirteen, and she's got a she's
Speaker 1: got a fifteen year old and an eighteen year old
Speaker 1: that are my stepdaughters. But we also have a three
Speaker 1: year old, so we've kind of started over with that.
Speaker 1: But I noticed that all of our teenagers always have
Speaker 1: their cell phone, and I kind of wish that I
Speaker 1: had done flip phones or or started later with with
Speaker 1: the cell phone deal, because they just they don't have
Speaker 1: the childhood that we had. They don't and the innocence
Speaker 1: doesn't last as long. I know that they know about
Speaker 1: things that I didn't know about until I was quite
Speaker 1: a bit older, and I think that's just something that
Speaker 1: comes along with having having the Internet and all the
Speaker 1: information right at your fingers all day, every day.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 6: And we often talk about the double edged sword of technology,
Speaker 6: and that is certainly one of them. Right, absolutely, right, yeah, man,
Speaker 6: And another thing I wanted to mention, And you know,
Speaker 6: my heart goes out to you because you know, most
Speaker 6: people struggled with twenty twenty just with you know, what
Speaker 6: was presented to us as a pandemic. But to you know,
Speaker 6: lose both parents during that time on top of it,
Speaker 6: I can't imagine, you know, I don't want to dwell
Speaker 6: too much on it, but did the events that were
Speaker 6: going on the world complicate you know, obviously they were
Speaker 6: in the hospital and things of that nature.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like my mom's funeral we had to have outside,
Speaker 1: which it turned out it was okay because it was
Speaker 1: in March. Otherwise we would have only been able to
Speaker 1: have ten people if we did it indoors. And she
Speaker 1: has she has four brothers, and I have probably a
Speaker 1: hundred cousins, and like, I mean, it was just there
Speaker 1: was way too many people to accommodate an indoor service,
Speaker 1: and they wouldn't let more than ten people in. And
Speaker 1: I mean I'm one of four siblings, so it was
Speaker 1: it was just just to have our wives and kids.
Speaker 1: There would have been more than ten people. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that was very, very difficult. And then when my dad
Speaker 1: a few months later, when he had cancer and went
Speaker 1: into the hospital, they really didn't want to let any
Speaker 1: of us in to see him. And finally we petitioned
Speaker 1: hard enough that I was able to get my younger
Speaker 1: sister in there and she stayed with him for a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, and then they sent him home for
Speaker 1: hospice because if we went to a nursing facility, we
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been able to see him, you know, he
Speaker 1: would have just passed away by himself. So we brought
Speaker 1: him home and put him on hospice for the last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. So that was it was. It was
Speaker 1: really tough. But yeah, COVID. You know, if if that's
Speaker 1: more than just a hoast, then we still don't have
Speaker 1: answers on COVID. No.
Speaker 6: And that's something that I try to on the fact
Speaker 6: un or bring up about every six months because I
Speaker 6: put that in line with nine to eleven and other
Speaker 6: things that we need to remind people of often, no
Speaker 6: matter what it was, the tyranny, the shutdowns, the closing
Speaker 6: of churches, that is something that show, you know, we
Speaker 6: should remember and implored that it never happened again.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's that's I don't think that people would
Speaker 1: fall for it like they did the last time. I
Speaker 1: think the fifteen what was it, fifteen days to stop
Speaker 1: the spread or flatten.
Speaker 3: The curve or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't think that people would go
Speaker 1: for that again. I know that I was. I was
Speaker 1: in a walmart when they had the arrows on the
Speaker 1: floor and I was already done at that point. I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm not I'm not following the arrows. I'm
Speaker 1: not wearing my mask. And I remember walking down an
Speaker 1: aisle in the reverse direction and I didn't have my
Speaker 1: mask on, and this older lady she goes, you're going
Speaker 1: the wrong direction, and I kind of looked around like
Speaker 1: I was lost, and I said, I'm sorry, I didn't
Speaker 1: have my compass, and I just kept walking.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: That is something I talk about often too, is just
Speaker 6: how regular people felt empowered. And I think that was
Speaker 6: part of the plan to further divide and conquer us, right,
Speaker 6: the people, so we can as long as we're fighting
Speaker 6: amongst ourselves, that'll take the attention away from the people
Speaker 6: who were really causing all the pain and atrocities, you know,
Speaker 6: not just here but around the world.
Speaker 1: Right. If it's not if it's not like abortion, it's racism.
Speaker 1: If it's not racism, it's the pandemic and the mask
Speaker 1: wearers and the vaccinated versus the unvaxed. It's always some
Speaker 1: strategy to pull people apart from each other. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're masters that that they've been doing it forever.
Speaker 6: I kind of laughed when you were talking about Rush
Speaker 6: and those guys. Sean Hannity is who actually if you look,
Speaker 6: he wears a Cia lapel pin, which is kind of funny.
Speaker 6: But I too was like, you know, ten years ago
Speaker 6: or so, I'd listening to Glenn Beck. Well I got
Speaker 6: it all figured out, and it's the left that are
Speaker 6: just evil, and you know, we have to have our
Speaker 6: work hard and get the conservative guy elected president. And
Speaker 6: it's just funny when you look back and reflect the layers,
Speaker 6: just like an onion of your awakening, right, you know,
Speaker 6: it's just hilarious. And again to me, you know, certain
Speaker 6: things were considered conspiracy, but then when you start to
Speaker 6: find out the truth about Oklahoma City nine to eleven,
Speaker 6: like you mentioned the atrocities of Waco and Ruby Ridge,
Speaker 6: which I believe that most probably over seventy five percent
Speaker 6: of the people today know nothing about.
Speaker 1: Ruby Ridge, right. Yeah, it was well, you know, being
Speaker 1: a gen exter, that was something that happened. I was
Speaker 1: still pretty young when it happened, but my parents were.
Speaker 1: They were kind of awake for the nineties. I guess
Speaker 1: about as awake as I was before I was into
Speaker 1: the truth, and so they believed that the government went
Speaker 1: in and tried to murder the whole family, and I
Speaker 1: think they would have if if Randy Weaver hadn't been
Speaker 1: a Green Beret or Special Forces whatever he was. I
Speaker 1: think they probably would have killed the whole family and
Speaker 1: it would have just been something that got pushed aside.
Speaker 1: But they were able to hold out and draw attention,
Speaker 1: and so that that was one of those things that
Speaker 1: was just like an early atrocity that was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: the government's really not in our corner at all. And
Speaker 1: then when Waco happened, I think I was about thirteen
Speaker 1: at the time, I was like, it was so obvious
Speaker 1: that set that place on fire, and then they tried
Speaker 1: to blame it on the branch Davidians. I was like,
Speaker 1: there's no way that they did that to themselves. Nobody
Speaker 1: burns themselves out, of course not. I mean, you saw
Speaker 1: the people jumping out of the building on nine to eleven.
Speaker 1: Nobody sets themselves on fire as like a as like
Speaker 1: taking a stand. Oh I'm gonna I'm gonna burn myself out. Now,
Speaker 1: nobody does that. So yeah, I just thought that was
Speaker 1: That was like one of the early times when I
Speaker 1: really realized how evil people can be. Janet Reno, I
Speaker 1: just remembered looking at her thinking she's like a bulldog
Speaker 1: and just just evil as can be.
Speaker 3: And then and then I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 1: And then you know, with the whole thing with the
Speaker 1: Bush family, I really thought you'll get a kick out
Speaker 1: of this. I really thought that Bush Junior, I thought
Speaker 1: he was like a great guy. When the whole and
Speaker 1: the whole nine to eleven thing happened, I thought, wow,
Speaker 1: he got a bum deal coming into office. And then
Speaker 1: a couple months later this happened. And then as the
Speaker 1: truth about nine to eleven kind of trickled out, I
Speaker 1: didn't really want to believe it. When I when I
Speaker 1: started to realize it was a conspiracy, I was like,
Speaker 1: there's no way. I mean, I just kind of believed
Speaker 1: the idea that the upper floors, the like the pins
Speaker 1: that were holding the steel in place, got weak from
Speaker 1: the heat and they started collapsing. I was like, people
Speaker 1: are crazy to assume that the government would would take
Speaker 1: out these buildings. And then when you watch the windows
Speaker 1: blow out, and you can really tell that the controlled
Speaker 1: demolition was taking place. And then I didn't know about
Speaker 1: Building seven until a few years later, and it, you know,
Speaker 1: it just all started to come together and I was like, oh, wow,
Speaker 1: this this is the real deal. They really killed three
Speaker 1: thousand people plus on that day, you know. And then
Speaker 1: the Pentagon I knew right away when I saw the hole.
Speaker 1: I was like, that definitely wasn't a jumbo jet that
Speaker 1: hit that place. But you know, what do you do
Speaker 1: about it? I was just I was just one of
Speaker 1: those people that was like everybody else going, well, I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm just Joe blow over here. There's nothing I
Speaker 1: can do about it, and so you just you just
Speaker 1: kind of take it. And then you end up several
Speaker 1: years later with COVID going, well, they want me to
Speaker 1: take the shot. I don't know if I have a choice, you.
Speaker 6: Know, absolutely, And that's kind of something I mentioned yesterday.
Speaker 6: That's what they want us to think. They want to
Speaker 6: trivialize us, and you know, there's nothing we can do
Speaker 6: about it. But getting out and speaking the truth is
Speaker 6: a big part of, you know, making progress and waking
Speaker 6: people up. And for me, you know, one thing I
Speaker 6: wanted to mention when you think about it, Ruby Ridge
Speaker 6: to Waco was like six months and and exactly two
Speaker 6: years to the day from Waco to Oklahoma City. Both
Speaker 6: of them were April nineteenth, one ninety three, one ninety five.
Speaker 6: You know, we talk about some of these administrations and
Speaker 6: I'll say it again, presidents are simply CEOs that answer
Speaker 6: to the bankers and oil barons, the.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: But at the end of the day, that's kind of
Speaker 6: how we blanket term that time when you look at
Speaker 6: the Clinton administration and something another thing we never talk about.
Speaker 6: I did a podcast on this maybe four years ago,
Speaker 6: twa eight hundred that was taken out by either Israel
Speaker 6: or taken out accidentally by the US Navy. And this
Speaker 6: happened just months before the election of I think it
Speaker 6: was I don't remember if it was Clinton's second election
Speaker 6: or it was. I think it was ninety six, so
Speaker 6: it must have been Clinton's second election. But there's so
Speaker 6: many things that happened in the nineties that get brushed
Speaker 6: under the rug. But moving on to nine to eleven,
Speaker 6: and you had mentioned how like when we first hear
Speaker 6: about it, it's like that's just too much, right. We
Speaker 6: go through certain conspiracies and we say, Okay, maybe this
Speaker 6: is that, maybe that is that, but there's no way
Speaker 6: our government was complicit in killing three thousand people. But
Speaker 6: nine to eleven and flat Earth were two of the
Speaker 6: biggest things that it took me a long time to digest.
Speaker 6: And I wonder if that was something that you had
Speaker 6: to deal with as well with nine to eleven and
Speaker 6: then later down the road with flat earth where it wholesale,
Speaker 6: it really wholesale changes your entire way of life and
Speaker 6: way of thinking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really did, because with nine to eleven, I
Speaker 1: know for sure that I used to get mad when
Speaker 1: I would hear people act like it was a conspiracy,
Speaker 1: you know. I was like, well, there's no way that
Speaker 1: they were able to pull that off, and everybody just
Speaker 1: fell for it. And I remember, like early on, I
Speaker 1: think it was even rosy O'Donnell was saying that she
Speaker 1: didn't believe it was anything but a government cover up,
Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, well, Rosie o'donald's crazy, you know,
Speaker 1: which to this day, I think Rosie o'donald's crazy, But
Speaker 1: that was like one of the first times, and so
Speaker 1: I just kind of thought anybody who thought that was
Speaker 1: a conspiracy was crazy. And then the same thing with
Speaker 1: flat earth. And I remember one of my ex wife's
Speaker 1: friends came in, she was at our house, and she
Speaker 1: was talking about her husband. She says, she says, my
Speaker 1: husband believes in flat earth. She's like, can you believe that?
Speaker 1: She just gave it, gave us a look, and I
Speaker 1: was at the time, I was like, I hadn't really
Speaker 1: given it any thought. And I sat there for a
Speaker 1: second and I said, well, I would have to hear
Speaker 1: the argument, because I've always been the type that I
Speaker 1: want to know more about something. And this was probably
Speaker 1: ten years ago, and then I had I had never
Speaker 1: been able to link up with him to kind of
Speaker 1: pick his brain on it. And then I was I
Speaker 1: was listening to another program and and somebody brought it
Speaker 1: up and they used the Flat Earth Society, and so
Speaker 1: I thought it was you know, I kind of ended
Speaker 1: up thinking it was kooks after that, so but then
Speaker 1: I encountered Flat Earth Dave online and I started kind
Speaker 1: of watching a little bit of his stuff, and I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, he makes sense. And you know, I've
Speaker 1: been I've been a Christian, We've been a family that
Speaker 1: goes to church most of my life. And so I
Speaker 1: had heard about Genesis and like the Earth being on
Speaker 1: a firm foundation, and uh, there's there's all kinds of
Speaker 1: references to the four corners of the Earth, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: how could the Earth have four corners if it's a sphere?
Speaker 1: And then I started to I started to think about
Speaker 1: the fact that water doesn't stick to a ball. It
Speaker 1: would all go to the bottom. You know, I've done
Speaker 1: enough carpentry and used a level enough times to realize
Speaker 1: that water is going to settle to the bottom. And
Speaker 1: if you and I've ridden on them, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you've been to carnivals and ridden the gravitron where
Speaker 1: you you lean against the wall and you slide up
Speaker 1: as the centrifugal force carries you. And I'm like, if
Speaker 1: the world was spinning at one thousand miles an hour,
Speaker 1: the water would just fly off. And then people are like, oh, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: the gravity holds it in. I'm like, okay, so how
Speaker 1: do how do you lift your arms? How do you
Speaker 1: walk and stand mobile? If the gravity is strong enough
Speaker 1: to hold the ocean? And why are you able to
Speaker 1: even move? And they're like, oh, well, that's a good point.
Speaker 6: I don't know how it works, and they'll quickly change
Speaker 6: the subject. Hey, did you see the football game last night?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: That's why they never want.
Speaker 1: To talk about it, because the people who don't believe
Speaker 1: in flat earth don't investigate the facts. They're just uncomfortable
Speaker 1: with the fact that somebody believe is the world's flat Ye.
Speaker 1: My wife, she's like, she's not like a denier, but
Speaker 1: she's like, I'm sure that it is, and I believe you,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to investigate it. And I'm like
Speaker 1: why and she goes, well, because like all of the
Speaker 1: conspiracies and the things that you She's like, the things
Speaker 1: that you're into, I think if I got into it,
Speaker 1: I would be depressed and down and not want to
Speaker 1: move forward because everything's been a lie to this point.
Speaker 1: She's like, I think that would just destroy the paradigm
Speaker 1: that I live in. And she's like, now, I'm sure
Speaker 1: that you're right. It's probably all bad, but I don't
Speaker 1: want to know about it. And I was like, well, okay,
Speaker 1: so we don't discuss it very often. But I was
Speaker 1: really excited to get on the show because I just
Speaker 1: I really just thought I was going to send an
Speaker 1: email and maybe you'd respond and it'd be cool. And
Speaker 1: then you're like, hey, do you want to be on
Speaker 1: on Friday? And I was like, whoa. So yeah, she's
Speaker 1: out of town this weekend and it's just me and
Speaker 1: my son. So I was really excited today. So he's
Speaker 1: in the other room and we're we're both we both
Speaker 1: listen to The Fact Hunter and we listen to The
Speaker 1: Flattered Files. So he's he's thirteen, and he knows more
Speaker 1: about what's going on in the world than a lot
Speaker 1: of adults do. So I'm really happy with the way
Speaker 1: that's going.
Speaker 3: That's awesome. I appreciate that.
Speaker 6: You know, when I talk to my friends who I've
Speaker 6: known for a long time, and one of my best
Speaker 6: friends in the world is mine, think is very similar,
Speaker 6: especially when it comes to flat Earth. He kind of
Speaker 6: knows and gets it. But I think there's just a
Speaker 6: comfortable place where people are at. But then I'll remind
Speaker 6: him of John eight, verse thirty two. And you shall
Speaker 6: know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Speaker 6: And there is a time of turbulence when you you
Speaker 6: go down certain rabbit holes, whether it be like I said,
Speaker 6: nine to eleven or I mean there's just a hundred
Speaker 6: of them, but when you come out the other side,
Speaker 6: you know, I wouldn't trade to go back. I'm thankful
Speaker 6: that that the Lord helped drop the veil from my eyes, if.
Speaker 1: You will, right, I know that Oklahoma City was another
Speaker 1: one that was like where I'm at right now is
Speaker 1: literally ten miles from ground zero. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: I was going to come and see you in April,
Speaker 1: but I had I had another engagement that kept me
Speaker 1: from being able to make it. But so that was
Speaker 1: something I didn't know about Terrence Yankee until I think
Speaker 1: it was there's another guy that you You play some
Speaker 1: clips from his show from time to time. He's not
Speaker 1: on a court.
Speaker 6: Corbyn, Yeah, yeah, I think I heard that report, right, yeah,
Speaker 6: James Corbett.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, James Corbett. So I heard about Terrence yak
Speaker 1: on his show. It was a clip that I heard
Speaker 1: on there, and it may have been on your show
Speaker 1: that you played the clip, but that was the first
Speaker 1: time I'd heard about him, and then so I did
Speaker 1: some digging and there's there's a lot of information out
Speaker 1: there about him trying to come forward and the fact
Speaker 1: that they literally just murdered him. I think I think
Speaker 1: that people get uncomfortable with that kind of thing because
Speaker 1: when you look at the evidence, like the fact that
Speaker 1: this this is a big, tough guy and there's blood
Speaker 1: all over the inside of his car and he tried
Speaker 1: to say he had maybe cut his wrists, but then
Speaker 1: he climbs over like a razor wire fence and then
Speaker 1: shoots himself and tosses the gun away. It was it's
Speaker 1: so absurd, and then you're like, Okay, so literally this
Speaker 1: guy was taken out by probably probably a three letter agency,
Speaker 1: and they didn't even do a good job of making
Speaker 1: it look like an accident or a suicide. It's like
Speaker 1: they want you to know that it was real so
Speaker 1: that you'll quit pushing and asking questions. It's like, I
Speaker 1: think they want you to know that it was a
Speaker 1: professional hit. But at the same time, they did it
Speaker 1: in a way that was like Okay, don't don't push,
Speaker 1: don't ask too many questions, or you'll end up like
Speaker 1: Terrence Shake. That's the way I've taken it anyway.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I agree. And I remember his wife did
Speaker 6: an interview. It might have been either on a local
Speaker 6: radio show or like Caravan to Midnight. It was either
Speaker 6: in the late nineties or right after two thousand and
Speaker 6: like that was the last time.
Speaker 3: You ever heard from her.
Speaker 6: She kind of disappeared on you know, you know, and
Speaker 6: I understand that's a lot to go through. She probably
Speaker 6: it's a lot to bear. Going back to Randy Weaver
Speaker 6: and the Ruby Ridge standoff, can you imagine he I mean,
Speaker 6: he didn't have another happy moment of his life, even
Speaker 6: though he lived until just I think he just passed
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty two. But witnessing what he saw, I mean,
Speaker 6: he just was probably a walking zombie for the rest
Speaker 6: of his life at the hands of our government, right.
Speaker 1: And I saw his daughter interviewed, and for her to
Speaker 1: have to have seen all of that too, she's traumatized forever.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: And there's really no good answers for why they did it,
Speaker 1: you know. I Mean, they've given some lame excuses about
Speaker 1: possible gun running or something like that, and I'm like, really,
Speaker 1: these people lived off in an area where they weren't
Speaker 1: bothering anybody. They were just trying to live their lives
Speaker 1: at homestead, and there was no reason for that at all.
Speaker 1: And then the same thing with the Branch Davidian people.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe even if you could make the argument
Speaker 1: that David koresh was thought he was Jesus or something
Speaker 1: like all of the fake things that they've come out
Speaker 1: with about him since he's been dead, It's like, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's easing anybody's conscience that all of those
Speaker 1: people died because David Kourage thought he was Jesus, you know.
Speaker 1: And so for the government to come up with all
Speaker 1: of these different things that they do in these scandals,
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm really I'm I'm really struggling to find
Speaker 1: out why. I think That's the biggest thing for me
Speaker 1: is like I understand dividing is and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: but what is the what is the motivation? What do
Speaker 1: they get out of it other the other than financial gain.
Speaker 1: I know that like the like the Rockefellers and the
Speaker 1: and the Rothchilds, I know that there's a big deal
Speaker 1: for their family to play both sides against the middle
Speaker 1: because they gain on both sides, but eventually you would
Speaker 1: think they'd get to a point where they'd have enough
Speaker 1: and pushing us wouldn't gain them anything. But I think
Speaker 1: as a Christian looking at it, it's like, Okay, we
Speaker 1: wrestle not against fresh and blood, but powers and principalities.
Speaker 1: And these people are truly evil. I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: like Dustin Nemo says that they're all descendance of the Nephelium,
Speaker 1: and that's that has never seemed more real to me
Speaker 1: than it does now. To see to see how evil
Speaker 1: they are, they have to be demonic in some way, yeah, or.
Speaker 6: Some type of bloodline issue. We played the uh every
Speaker 6: once every year, so I like to drop Fritz's spring
Speaker 6: Myers bloodlines of the Illuminati. And it is something that's
Speaker 6: hard to comprehend how one human being cannot only not
Speaker 6: be bothered at people's pain and suffering, but in some
Speaker 6: ways it seems like that they enjoy it to do it,
Speaker 6: to continue to enable it, whether it's war, whether it's famine. Uh,
Speaker 6: just it's it's you know, you go back to the
Speaker 6: Georgia guidestones and you look at the first rule on
Speaker 6: there is their eventual goal is they want one population control.
Speaker 6: They want to get it down to five hundred million,
Speaker 6: and they want to have everybody track, which, by the way,
Speaker 6: they do a pretty good job of. Now everybody who's
Speaker 6: carrying a cell phone, they can hear what you're saying,
Speaker 6: they can see what you're doing.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 6: You know, they are leaps and bounds in technology, probably
Speaker 6: twenty years advanced what we think we have today.
Speaker 3: Would you agree with that?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, my dad, I remember my whole life growing up.
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, the microwave and all these other
Speaker 1: inventions that we have that we think are pretty cool.
Speaker 1: He's like the military. I don't know what division of
Speaker 1: the military, but he was like, there's there's several different
Speaker 1: entities that are part of the military that you're not
Speaker 1: even aware of. And he's like, they have technology that
Speaker 1: you wouldn't believe, like the idea of those those railguns
Speaker 1: that they had in the Navy ships. There was a
Speaker 1: movie with Arnold Schwarzenegger where they had handheld ones and
Speaker 1: it seemed like kind of sci fi time, And my
Speaker 1: dad said, I guarantee you they have those guns. You know,
Speaker 1: they're that shoot like a chunk of aluminum at at
Speaker 1: over the speed of sound or whatever, and it goes
Speaker 1: through walls and hits people and they can they can
Speaker 1: tell what you look like in your outline and all that.
Speaker 1: He's like, I guarantee you they already have that, and
Speaker 1: they probably had ten years before that movie came out, sure,
Speaker 1: And he's like, there's a small negative truth in all
Speaker 1: of these movies. And I remember that. And then when
Speaker 1: I got a little older and I was there's a
Speaker 1: guy named Ali Seattle Tan. I don't know if you've
Speaker 1: heard of him, but he talks about like the revelation
Speaker 1: of the method and different things where they have to
Speaker 1: as part of their rules, like the Illuminati or whoever,
Speaker 1: as part of their like rules, they have to tell
Speaker 1: you in some way what they're doing. And I feel
Speaker 1: like like the whole Epstein and now Diddy, all of those,
Speaker 1: all of these like child pedophile things, and they've been
Speaker 1: telling us about these people for years and we've just
Speaker 1: been like, oh, well, I know Diddy does some wild
Speaker 1: things and nobody does anything about it, and then he'll
Speaker 1: end up well I don't really know Jeffrey Epstein's actually
Speaker 1: dead or if they just made it look like he
Speaker 1: killed himself, but you know it'll be the same thing
Speaker 1: with Diddy. If he starts exposing people or he says
Speaker 1: he's got dirt on powerful people, he'll he'll be suicided
Speaker 1: as well. So yeah, the people who are really controlling
Speaker 1: everything at the top, I think that. I think that
Speaker 1: it's all based on spiritual warfare and they're leading as
Speaker 1: towards an eventual head.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 6: And they do use people like Alex Jones, and they
Speaker 6: use movies and music for disclosure. What you were talking
Speaker 6: about saying, hey, we told you so. Didn't hear the
Speaker 6: Red Hot Chili Peppers telling you about space isn't real
Speaker 6: it's made in the Hollywood basement? Did And you hear
Speaker 6: Alex Jones tell about that elementary school in Connecticut, but
Speaker 6: then they went after him so you'd stop talking about it.
Speaker 6: All these things. What was the movie in twenty twelve, Contagion?
Speaker 6: We told you it was coming. And that's what they do.
Speaker 6: They say, hey, we told them. It's just that you
Speaker 6: have to, like Manly Hall said, once you can understand
Speaker 6: these things and you can see it, and you can
Speaker 6: learn to dissect it and understand what they're saying, that's
Speaker 6: when you can really kind of, you know, intercept the
Speaker 6: Enemy Transmission if you will.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, there's there's that. And then there's that movie
Speaker 1: with Julia Roberts that came out last year that Barack
Speaker 1: Obama was involved in. And I recently watched the Civil
Speaker 1: War movie and I was like, Wow, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of there's a lot of hidden things in that movie
Speaker 1: if you're watching for him, and it's just really spooky
Speaker 1: because I really kind of feel like that probably I
Speaker 1: don't want to say it's gonna happen, but I think
Speaker 1: it almost has to happen. Happen. You know, I've been
Speaker 1: trying to get my wife to be more of a prepper. She's,
Speaker 1: like I told you, she's kind.
Speaker 7: Of like like we're people of faith, like the church
Speaker 7: that we go to, we're just we're we believe in discipling.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of a big deal for us. And
Speaker 1: like right now, I'm in a group of guys where
Speaker 1: I meet once a week and we work on becoming disciples.
Speaker 1: And my wife's already been been through that with with
Speaker 1: some women from church. So but she she wants to
Speaker 1: be prepared in case, you know, we were still around
Speaker 1: when there's a when there's some kind of turmoil at
Speaker 1: the end armageddon or whatever, if we if we're not,
Speaker 1: if we're not raptured, which I've started to look into that,
Speaker 1: I don't really know that I believe in a rapture anymore.
Speaker 1: I think that was something that was concocted. So I
Speaker 1: think I think if we're still around, we're going to
Speaker 1: be going through the tribulation and it's going to be
Speaker 1: pretty bad. Head It's it's just a really strange feeling
Speaker 1: to be on this side and look back and see
Speaker 1: the way things used to be when I was kind
Speaker 1: of oblivious, when I just thought, Man, if we could
Speaker 1: just beat those dang Democrats, Yeah, if if we we'd
Speaker 1: quit letting them steal elections, we'd be so much further ahead.
Speaker 1: And and now to go. I'm not even going to
Speaker 1: vote this time. I heard I heard you talking about
Speaker 1: I heard you talking about the fact that there's three
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty million people and we have two choices.
Speaker 1: But they act like, well, you guys, you guys have
Speaker 1: a choice, and how is that even possible? I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's come down to a point where you feel
Speaker 1: like you have to pick the lesser of two evils.
Speaker 1: But then no matter who you pick, you're still getting evil.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Like Donald Trump's not a good guy. I was just
Speaker 1: talking to my son about it earlier. I'm like the
Speaker 1: fact that he's had these two fake assassination attempts on him,
Speaker 1: and and uh that that's only made people like him more.
Speaker 1: And the fact that he's got all these felonies, which
Speaker 1: the felonies were probably crap anyway, Like I'm not I
Speaker 1: don't believe any of that was was like a real
Speaker 1: like he actually committed crimes. I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: in all honesty, Donald Trump probably has committed crimes that
Speaker 1: we don't know about, but certainly not the ones he
Speaker 1: was convicted of. Those were those were trumped up charges
Speaker 1: for lack of a better term. But like, honestly, he's
Speaker 1: not a good person. I mean, just the comments that
Speaker 1: he made on the bus with that that they had
Speaker 1: recorded before the first election tells you everything you need
Speaker 1: to know about him. I don't believe like the racism,
Speaker 1: I don't believe in the Russia hoax, but I do
Speaker 1: believe that he's just an He's just an evil guy.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any any redeeming qualities about the guy,
Speaker 1: other than the fact that the the economy was better.
Speaker 1: But I still don't really know if that was anything
Speaker 1: that he did or if it was just like a
Speaker 1: natural process, you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and they have to appease us sometimes, they have
Speaker 6: to give us wins sometimes otherwise, you know, maybe then
Speaker 6: we would get together and you know, kind of walk
Speaker 6: away from the system. So it's just like wrestling, you know,
Speaker 6: the good guy has the belt for six months, and
Speaker 6: then the bad guy comes in and hits some of
Speaker 6: the back of the head with a chair, and he
Speaker 6: gets the belt for six months.
Speaker 3: That's why.
Speaker 6: So it goes back and forth. The belt goes back
Speaker 6: and forth to appease everyone. We'll be upset for four years.
Speaker 6: And it's you know now that I'm pretty much awake
Speaker 6: to everything, you know, I'm still learning things all the time.
Speaker 3: But especially this election.
Speaker 6: To see people's posts on social media, right this election
Speaker 6: is going to decide whether or not our country decides,
Speaker 6: you know, if it succeeds or if it's the end
Speaker 6: of the USA. And I just kind of laugh. Dave
Speaker 6: Ramsey said it the best. He said, what goes on
Speaker 6: in your house is far more important than what goes
Speaker 6: on in the White House. And that's the opposite of
Speaker 6: what the puppeteers want you to believe. Again, the federal
Speaker 6: government was meant to be such a small entity of
Speaker 6: your life, and now people like that will spend there's
Speaker 6: people out there who spend fifteen hours a day tweeting
Speaker 6: in support of one or the other. It's just it's
Speaker 6: quite a trick that they've pulled on the people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I really don't understand, Like, I don't understand
Speaker 1: how they came up with Joe Biden in the first place,
Speaker 1: because you can look at the guy until like, I
Speaker 1: don't believe a lot of the conspiracies about him being
Speaker 1: Jim Carrey and some of this other stuff like the
Speaker 1: Fittest flat flatterger. I watched him a lot of times,
Speaker 1: and he has a lot of crazy theories about people
Speaker 1: being other people. And I've watched a few of his
Speaker 1: videos and I think that they're funny more than anything else.
Speaker 1: But can you just imagine what goes on in the
Speaker 1: White House? Like you were talking about Dave Ramsey saying
Speaker 1: what goes on in the White House, I just I
Speaker 1: just try to picture Joe like walking around looking for
Speaker 1: his ice cream and and all of that stuff, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, Is there really a Joe Biden? Is this
Speaker 1: the guy that we used to see with the big
Speaker 1: teeth arguing on with Paul whatever the guy's name was
Speaker 1: that ran for election with uh with Romney. I mean,
Speaker 1: you remember having the debate and he had the big
Speaker 1: white teeth. I just don't know if it's even the
Speaker 1: same man, or if it's even if Joe Biden's even
Speaker 1: still alive. And then to run Kamala Harris as a
Speaker 1: candidate is is just such a joke. I'm like, we
Speaker 1: have people in this country that are smarter than either
Speaker 1: one of those people, and just to run a Democrat
Speaker 1: that's that's not even not even standing for anything but
Speaker 1: just can articulate would be would be something that would
Speaker 1: probably win the election for them. So I don't really
Speaker 1: understand the point of running two people that can't that
Speaker 1: can't form a sentence between them.
Speaker 6: And I think this election, more than any other election,
Speaker 6: just goes to prove the fact that there is no
Speaker 6: real you know, you know, democratic republic. As they say again,
Speaker 6: she is it's mockery at this point, they're just mocking
Speaker 6: us because they know we're not going to do anything.
Speaker 6: We're going to complain we're going to go on social
Speaker 6: media and we're going to air our grievances. Right, shout
Speaker 6: out to Seinfeld there. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 6: they have built the matrix so well, people have got
Speaker 6: to get up, go to work, and do their whole thing.
Speaker 6: So at this point it's become mockery. Really, I don't
Speaker 6: think anybody takes her seriously, like as someone who is
Speaker 6: this super smart person who can understand fiscal economics, macroeconomics,
Speaker 6: and you know, military strategy, all of the things that
Speaker 6: should go into being qualified to lead what is supposedly
Speaker 6: the most powerful country in the world. And if you
Speaker 6: listen to her talk, I can, Matt. I can't listen
Speaker 6: to her talk for more than five seconds. It's too
Speaker 6: much for me. And that's when you really got to understand.
Speaker 6: You know, some people will say that's why you got
Speaker 6: to vote for Trump. No, that's really why you got
Speaker 6: to understand. We need a new system and not a
Speaker 6: new president.
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, she drives me crazy. I can't stand here either.
Speaker 1: There's a there's a woman who does little TikTok videos
Speaker 1: and stuff that there she impersonates her and she's hilarious.
Speaker 1: And then I saw a guy do an impression over
Speaker 1: the other day, and he was talking about getting the
Speaker 1: spaghetti stains out of the temperware. Was his hot hit
Speaker 1: that that was going to be the priority when he
Speaker 1: first gets into a off as Kamala Harris, to get
Speaker 1: the spaghetti stains out of soup aware so we can
Speaker 1: save money and get the economy back on track.
Speaker 3: There you go, somebody figures out out.
Speaker 1: It's just so funny because that's something that she would
Speaker 1: talk about, you know, like she brought up her mother
Speaker 1: and how people used to cut the grass in the
Speaker 1: neighborhood and stuff. And I'm like, that had nothing to
Speaker 1: do with the question you were asked, No. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: then my son played me a video earlier with her
Speaker 1: talking about the cloud, storing things in the cloud, and
Speaker 1: it was just so obvious she had no idea what
Speaker 1: she was talking about.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a lot of good stuff out there. Actually
Speaker 6: on both sides. I saw one Harris impersonator and a
Speaker 6: Trump personator and they were doing like a comical debate.
Speaker 3: It was pretty good, But that's what it really is.
Speaker 3: It's just mockery.
Speaker 6: It's just and I say that, man, but there're three
Speaker 6: hundred and thirty million people and this is the best
Speaker 6: we have to offer.
Speaker 3: Come on, I mean, what are we doing? And we
Speaker 3: know Biden isn't running anything.
Speaker 6: The poor guy, like you said, whether or not it's
Speaker 6: actually even him, it's just what a crazy world that
Speaker 6: we live in before we kind of transitioned into flat Earth.
Speaker 6: In your experience with that, one of the other you know,
Speaker 6: we talked about Terren Shakey and many other journalists who
Speaker 6: have maybe gone too far or acrossed the CIA got
Speaker 6: taken out. Gary Webb is another guy who was a
Speaker 6: great journalist. He had a series, the Dark Alliance series
Speaker 6: in the San Jose Mercury News back in the eighties
Speaker 6: or nineties, late nineties, And of course when he died,
Speaker 6: they found him with two gunshots to the back of
Speaker 6: his head, and it.
Speaker 3: Was ruled a suicide.
Speaker 1: Of course, right, because most people shoot themselves more than
Speaker 1: once in the back of the head in order to
Speaker 1: make sure they got it.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of like the Vince Foster thing. Yes,
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody even at the time doubted that
Speaker 1: that was not a suicide and it was just another
Speaker 1: one of those deals. It was like, well, the Clinton's
Speaker 1: probably had him taken out. But that's that's what they do.
Speaker 1: You know, she the whole locker up things should have happened,
Speaker 1: and here we are, you know, several years later, and
Speaker 1: nobody's been locked up and nobody's been helped accountable. And
Speaker 1: then and then even Donald Trump with the Operation Warp Speed.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's an argument to be made that,
Speaker 1: like the seed war, there there's an argument to be
Speaker 1: made that that was intentional and that he's part of
Speaker 1: He's part of the cabal. And so I can't in
Speaker 1: good conscience vote for a guy who may have contributed
Speaker 1: to a billion deaths. You know, there's young people dropping
Speaker 1: dead all over the place from taking the vaccine, and
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know if there's a way to
Speaker 1: prove it or not, but there's been guys on like
Speaker 1: Firmamental that have used microscopes and they're actually finding up
Speaker 1: in people's blood who didn't take the vaccine. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's coming from like food sources or
Speaker 1: if it's a person to person transfer, Like how how
Speaker 1: is it taking place? But they're putting it in so
Speaker 1: many things. I don't know if we're going to be
Speaker 1: able to escape it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that is something you know, if it gets
Speaker 6: to out of control. I mean, God did it with Noah, right,
Speaker 6: he wiped out the earth because of similar things, and
Speaker 6: that is certainly seems to be what they are doing.
Speaker 6: And again, these are the things everything that you've talked about,
Speaker 6: and how people just say, oh, that's the Clintons or yeah,
Speaker 6: that sucks that you know they shut our country down. Yeah,
Speaker 6: that's but you know, they shut the churches down, but
Speaker 6: it was the right thing to do that. We don't
Speaker 6: want to kill grandma and grandpa. Of course they played
Speaker 6: that card for.
Speaker 1: People, right, But that's how you know they're on the
Speaker 1: same side.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That was how it all started to come together for me.
Speaker 1: Was I was I realized at some point I think
Speaker 1: I was watching I was watching Senator Kennedy. I think
Speaker 1: he's a senator. He may be a congressman, but he
Speaker 1: was grilling a woman who was she was from like
Speaker 1: an Arabic alliance or something, and he was like, you
Speaker 1: support Hamas, don't you, And I'm like, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: she never said that, and then she actually physically tells
Speaker 1: him that she doesn't support Hamas and he's like, well,
Speaker 1: then you support Hesbelah and she's like, no, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't support violence on either side. And he just
Speaker 1: kept running over and he's like, I don't have time,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying that you support Hesbelah and Hamas, and
Speaker 1: just I was like, this guy is obviously working for
Speaker 1: the opposition, because anybody who's thinking clearly can see the
Speaker 1: genocide on either side is wrong. Like I don't support
Speaker 1: I don't support wiping out the israel I don't support
Speaker 1: wiping out the Palestinians either, just because as a Christian
Speaker 1: I can't support either way. But then also when you
Speaker 1: when you look at the fact that the Jews are
Speaker 1: not actually Israelites, it's like, well, you know, there may
Speaker 1: be something there, I mean, does the Nemos makes a
Speaker 1: good argument for that, And and I've actually spent several
Speaker 1: hours looking at his his website and reading some of
Speaker 1: this research, and it's it's pretty powerful stuff that they've
Speaker 1: been kicked out of all these countries, and they've been
Speaker 1: taught like molesting kids and eating kids and all kinds
Speaker 1: of different things, and it's just it's when you find
Speaker 1: out who's pulling the strings in the background, it's like
Speaker 1: we've we've got a real serious situation and they're all
Speaker 1: on the same team.
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry that.
Speaker 1: The argument is like like for me, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I think that the only thing that we can do
Speaker 1: is things like this, like getting people to wake up
Speaker 1: and spreading the word, because you know, with with all
Speaker 1: the things that are going on, like the fluoride in
Speaker 1: the water and doing everything they can to make us
Speaker 1: docile or emasculating men and pushing the feminism things so hard,
Speaker 1: like we're losing all of the people who would have
Speaker 1: stood up in the past, either through attrition or vaccinating
Speaker 1: us out of existence or feminizing as many people as
Speaker 1: they can so they can control us. And it's it's
Speaker 1: never been more obvious than it is right now. And
Speaker 1: I like to me, as soon as I was awake
Speaker 1: to it, I was like, oh, I realize now what's
Speaker 1: going on? And we have these people that they put
Speaker 1: on put on the internet like a I can't remember
Speaker 1: the guy's name was. He was a kickboxer or something,
Speaker 1: and Cannice Owens and him were friends and he's always
Speaker 1: talking about being a high value man and all of this,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm like, this guy is obviously controlled opposition.
Speaker 1: They arrested him a while back and held him in
Speaker 1: Him and his brother were arrested, and it's like that
Speaker 1: was all for show.
Speaker 3: I believe.
Speaker 1: I really believe that. Yeah, it takes. I really believe
Speaker 1: that that whole thing was just like he was. He
Speaker 1: was starting to get people that want to be more masculine.
Speaker 1: And but I think it, I think it was all
Speaker 1: part of a part of a controlled opposition. Same thing
Speaker 1: with Jordan Peterson. I'm not entirely convinced that he's I
Speaker 1: don't think he's on our team really.
Speaker 3: Without a shadow of the doubt. Now he's a gatekeeper,
Speaker 3: that's what he is.
Speaker 1: Right, And then there was you know, he's got the
Speaker 1: whole diet, which I'm I'm kind of on a carnivore
Speaker 1: diet myself because uh, I decided I needed to get
Speaker 1: into shape more so because of all the things that
Speaker 1: are going on. But I uh, last year, I got sick,
Speaker 1: I had I found out I had diabetes, and I've
Speaker 1: lost like seventy pounds. I'm down to where I was
Speaker 1: in high school or actually a little bit less, and
Speaker 1: I'm down to like two hundred pounds and I've never
Speaker 1: been two hundred pounds in my whole life. So but yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm getting into shape, I'm getting out, I'm moving a
Speaker 1: lot more. I was an aircraft mechanic, so my main
Speaker 1: job was rolling around on a roller chair under an
Speaker 1: aircraft all day. And then I got a disk job,
Speaker 1: which made it even easier for me to just not
Speaker 1: do anything. And so as you move up and you
Speaker 1: make more money, you get less active, it seems. And
Speaker 1: so I've just I've just made that a part of
Speaker 1: my life. And you know, you're always talking about you
Speaker 1: need to be spiritually and mentally and physically prepared because
Speaker 1: it's it's going to get bad, and so I've really
Speaker 1: taken that to heart. So I've been trying to get
Speaker 1: physically in shape as well as spiritually and and everything else.
Speaker 1: And now I'm trying to trying to get the wife
Speaker 1: to want to prep with me, but it's kind of
Speaker 1: an uphill battle because I really think that she just
Speaker 1: scared more than anything else. You know, you think about
Speaker 1: the tribulation and what's going to happen. Everybody's kind of
Speaker 1: fully aware of that. If you are a Christian and
Speaker 1: you look into it, you go, well, the tribulation is
Speaker 1: going to be excruciating for anybody who's here, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: there are things that we can do. I really don't
Speaker 1: think we're going to be that. I really think that
Speaker 1: what's going to happen is they're going to end up
Speaker 1: getting rid of us or putting us in a concentration camp,
Speaker 1: you know, before you know it. I'm like, there's not
Speaker 1: a whole lot of hope involved in this. But if
Speaker 1: we could kind of get out in the country a
Speaker 1: little bit and maybe have some chickens or something like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I really don't know. I know there's
Speaker 1: a lot of books on prepping and I'm just now
Speaker 1: getting into it. But it's just one of those things
Speaker 1: where like you know that the end is near, and
Speaker 1: it's it's getting worse all the time, I think. I
Speaker 1: think with the Bread and Circus though, with the and
Speaker 1: and all of the distractions like Babie and Epstein and
Speaker 1: all of this other stuff that's all, and the Tape Brothers,
Speaker 1: all that's like surpliviuous to the situation. I feel like
Speaker 1: I feel like the big things are the government and
Speaker 1: and like flat Earth if you want to transition to that,
Speaker 1: it just seems it just seems to me, like if
Speaker 1: you don't realize the topography and all of those things
Speaker 1: that are involved in it and how it connects back,
Speaker 1: especially Christian people. When you talk to a Christian person,
Speaker 1: you're like, hey, let's read the first page in Genesis,
Speaker 1: and there's some things I want to point out. And
Speaker 1: you start pointing them out and they go, well, that's
Speaker 1: not really what it means, and they try to give
Speaker 1: you some spin. They try to spend some reason as
Speaker 1: to why it's a globe, and I'm like, well, why
Speaker 1: do you believe it's a globe? Well, that's what we
Speaker 1: were taught in school and NASA confirmed it. I mean,
Speaker 1: look at these pictures and uh, it's it's just so
Speaker 1: funny how how many things fall back to finding out
Speaker 1: the truth about it, Like you know, the flat ears
Speaker 1: and nine to eleven, all of these things. There's there's
Speaker 1: a route to it, and it's all it all comes
Speaker 1: back to being a spiritual war, and it all comes
Speaker 1: back to the fact that they're trying to pull you
Speaker 1: away from God.
Speaker 6: And indeed, that's why the first episode, I knew it
Speaker 6: had to be important to understand and why the lie
Speaker 6: and the lie is why the lie is very obvious.
Speaker 6: Like you said, they are trying to hide, to hide. God,
Speaker 6: do you remember the moment when you kind of realize that, yep,
Speaker 6: we're on a flat plane that is immovable. Do you
Speaker 6: remember that moment when you you kind of convinced, convinced
Speaker 6: yourself And was there a particular piece of evidence that
Speaker 6: kind of uh, you know, slam dunked that mentality.
Speaker 1: I was. I was listening to I think it was
Speaker 1: like episode six, maybe the thirteen. Maybe you had David
Speaker 1: Weiss on early in the Fact Hunter, and uh, I
Speaker 1: listened to that episode. I had already heard him once
Speaker 1: or twice, but him and Rob Skiba, I had heard
Speaker 1: him talk a few times, and I was just starting
Speaker 1: to maybe accept the fact that flat earth was a
Speaker 1: thing and I and really the moon landing, I knew
Speaker 1: it was. I knew that was a lie. Just I
Speaker 1: had told my dad my whole life as a kid.
Speaker 1: I was like, Dad, that's there's no way that that
Speaker 1: tinfoil thing went through the Van Allen Belts. Like I'm
Speaker 1: not buying it, because when I learned about the Van
Speaker 1: Allen Belts, I was like, well, they would have had
Speaker 1: to have like something really armored up. Ceramic's not going
Speaker 1: to do it. And they had this little aluminum thing
Speaker 1: that they landed on a rock, and I'm like, that
Speaker 1: just seems so hokey to me. There was no way
Speaker 1: that was real. And in nineteen sixty nine you could
Speaker 1: probably pull that off with people that were uneducated to
Speaker 1: a certain extent. But then you find out that people
Speaker 1: that are one hundred years old were being taught about
Speaker 1: flat Earth. I saw that elderly lady that Dave Weiss
Speaker 1: that interviewed, and I was like, Man, this is really
Speaker 1: this is really convincing. And then when he starts making
Speaker 1: the points about water on a ball and how water
Speaker 1: finds the low point, the sixteen, the sixteen landings, the
Speaker 1: emergency landings, I looked into that and I was like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no possible way that they that they diverted and
Speaker 1: landed the way that they did. If the Earth was round,
Speaker 1: they would have done something totally different in every one
Speaker 1: of those instances. And when you look at the flat
Speaker 1: earth map and you look at how they had to
Speaker 1: land these emergency landings, I don't have it in front
Speaker 1: of me, but it's so powerful to evidence there. It's
Speaker 1: just like wow, you know, and then I wonder about
Speaker 1: whether or not there's continents outside the ice wall. There's
Speaker 1: so many things that we don't know because they've got
Speaker 1: everything locked down. And another thing, I know I've heard
Speaker 1: you say it before, but I started watching maybe a
Speaker 1: year ago. I started watching My lunch break, and so,
Speaker 1: I mean, this brings something else into it, but the
Speaker 1: millennial rain theory. Looking at all the buildings that are
Speaker 1: here from the fourteen hundreds before the power tool and stuff,
Speaker 1: I'm like, it makes sense to me. I'm starting to
Speaker 1: believe the millennial rain theory that they talk talking about it.
Speaker 1: He says the short season and stuff on there every
Speaker 1: once in a while, but I know what he's talking about,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, is it possible that the Mark of
Speaker 1: the Beast and all that stuff already happened a couple
Speaker 1: thousand years ago and we're just we're like the leftovers
Speaker 1: and we're waiting for the Lord to come back, you know,
Speaker 1: and the judgment and all of that stuff. Because if
Speaker 1: that's the case, the tribulation that we're thinking is going
Speaker 1: to happen may not actually be at tribulation. It may
Speaker 1: just be the end.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 6: My lunch break I highly recommend it's just in short,
Speaker 6: concise pieces of information. Something that's very compelling to me.
Speaker 6: He talks about it, and John Levy talks about it.
Speaker 6: Is there's a picture I think from the I don't
Speaker 6: know if it's an actual picture or a drawing of
Speaker 6: but there's a horse and carriage in front of the
Speaker 6: Capitol and then.
Speaker 3: The White House.
Speaker 6: And now you have all these buildings, these massive Roman
Speaker 6: type buildings, and a horse and carriage next to it.
Speaker 6: So you know, the question there in lies did we
Speaker 6: create this or did we find and stumble upon this?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 6: There's a picture of the White House being excavated, and
Speaker 6: so many buildings in our country that when they big
Speaker 6: dig pardon me, below the surface, there's a whole other
Speaker 6: entity to the building.
Speaker 3: So is this right? Did we really stumble upon it?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 1: Well? They what do they call the people that been
Speaker 1: Franklin and all of those people, They call them the
Speaker 1: founding fathers. It's to me it's possible that you know,
Speaker 1: like a lot of these old stories about about like
Speaker 1: Native Americans and Christopher Columbus that might just all be
Speaker 1: like fake history instead of fake news. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of that stuff was just set up. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you think about it, like going back to like
Speaker 1: why the lie, it would be why the lie about
Speaker 1: our history as well, because if we were living in
Speaker 1: a short season on a flat earth, they would want
Speaker 1: to lie about all of it in order to keep
Speaker 1: you in the dark. And if they keep you in
Speaker 1: the dark, they keep you away from the Lord, you know,
Speaker 1: because he's the light. So to me, the lie about
Speaker 1: our history and the lie about the shape of the Earth,
Speaker 1: or even if it wasn't just a shape, to me,
Speaker 1: it's like a topography, like you just know that we're
Speaker 1: not on a sphere. Like people will say flat Earth.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's necessary necessarily flat earth. Obviously
Speaker 1: we have mountains and valleys and Mariana Trench and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, but like, I don't I can't say that
Speaker 1: it's a square or a circle or anything, but I
Speaker 1: know it's not a sphere. And so that's where I've
Speaker 1: come from. I've come from thinking that possibly it's a
Speaker 1: sphere and people are upside down in Australia right now
Speaker 1: and go and then going one hundred and eighty and going, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not even possible. I mean, there's no way that
Speaker 1: you could be upside down in Australia and not falling
Speaker 1: towards the sky. It just it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 6: And it's interesting anytime you look at a globe, whether
Speaker 6: it be and I'm talking I'm not talking about one
Speaker 6: in a classroom, but if you look at one at
Speaker 6: the beginning of a movie, it always shows the United States.
Speaker 6: They don't show they don't show the backside where you're
Speaker 6: going to think, huh, Australia is you know, they always
Speaker 6: just show the United States. They throw they show the
Speaker 6: front side. Even if you go back to the old
Speaker 6: nineteen thirty two, before we even ever quote went into space,
Speaker 6: you know how they knew it was it was.
Speaker 3: A perfect globe.
Speaker 6: It really is. Just it's unbelievable. And I don't remember
Speaker 6: who said it, but somebody said that if you tell
Speaker 6: a big enough lie, people will believe it just because
Speaker 6: I guess it's well, there's no way they could make
Speaker 6: a lie about something that big, right, like nine to eleven,
Speaker 6: you know, for people who were alive during that time
Speaker 6: in your at least so if you were born let's
Speaker 6: say before nineteen ninety.
Speaker 3: Right, you were at least eleven.
Speaker 6: People remember that the next few weeks, that huge patriotic movement,
Speaker 6: you know when football returned on September the twentieth, when oh,
Speaker 6: by the way, number eleven, right, the Twin Towers, Number
Speaker 6: eleven got taken out by a jet on September twentieth,
Speaker 6: two thousand and one, and a guy named Tom Brady
Speaker 6: took the helm. It was huge, It was patriotic. All
Speaker 6: the football players were running on the flag. And to
Speaker 6: question such a thing even back then when there were
Speaker 6: Michael Michael Piper tried that again, Michael Piper, Collins, Bill Cooper,
Speaker 6: which would have been about six weeks before he was
Speaker 6: taken out, and others were behind the microphon Alex Jones
Speaker 6: obviously saying that hey this there's much more to this.
Speaker 6: Not only were they look down upon, they were called
Speaker 6: an American, they were called how you know you're not
Speaker 6: a patriot? The same type of thing if you question
Speaker 6: the Patriot Act, right, because they literally put the word
Speaker 6: patriot in it. So they are very smart in all
Speaker 6: of this. They put just thousands of hours into planning
Speaker 6: into every single one of these events, including this what
Speaker 6: we're talking about today, and that is the flatter something
Speaker 6: that goes back to Copernicus back in the fifteen hundreds,
Speaker 6: and you know, it's very interesting Martin Luther between fifteen
Speaker 6: thirty two and his death in what the late fifteen forties,
Speaker 6: he had some interesting things to say about some of
Speaker 6: the people we talk about today who may or may
Speaker 6: not be controlling the world, were you know, controlling at
Speaker 6: least the United States, And also about Copernicus and the
Speaker 6: globe theory. And it is interesting how these events are
Speaker 6: so big, Like you said, Vince Foster, nine to eleven,
Speaker 6: they're lying about the globe, and it just even when
Speaker 6: they wake up to it. I don't think some people
Speaker 6: understand the gravity again, lack for a better word, the
Speaker 6: gravity of the situation, the gravity of the lie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the density, the density of.
Speaker 3: The lie, the lie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's really it's it's really overwhelming when
Speaker 1: you first when you first accept the fact that you've
Speaker 1: been lied to about it, and then you think, like,
Speaker 1: like for me, the last couple of years has been
Speaker 1: spent investigating all the things I was lied to about,
Speaker 1: you know, nine to eleven, Oklahoma City, Waco, like all
Speaker 1: of these different things, and then you go, well, there's
Speaker 1: more obscure things. The USS coal and all of these
Speaker 1: different things that happened that were just like when I
Speaker 1: was young, things were just brushed over. I mean, I
Speaker 1: turned twenty one the day before nine to eleven happened.
Speaker 1: My birthday's actually on the tent and I turned twenty one.
Speaker 1: And then the next morning I was at work and
Speaker 1: all of that started to unfold. And I was at
Speaker 1: the time, I almost I almost enlisted. My dad had
Speaker 1: been a Marine, and I went, I went and talked
Speaker 1: to the recruiter that I was there on nine to
Speaker 1: twelve talking to a recruiter, and I was in a
Speaker 1: room with twenty five other people, and he was he
Speaker 1: was talking to people twenty five at a time, and
Speaker 1: my dad was like, I'm begging you not to do this.
Speaker 1: He says, he says, they're They're getting plenty of people,
Speaker 1: and he says, I just I really have a bad feeling.
Speaker 1: I think we're going to end up in war. And
Speaker 1: my dad was in during Vietnam and stuff, and he
Speaker 1: was just like, I'm just I don't want you to
Speaker 1: go and do this, and he asked me not to enlist,
Speaker 1: and so I held off for a little while, and
Speaker 1: then I eventually decided not to You know, and I
Speaker 1: have I have some regret about that, just because of
Speaker 1: the whole wanting to serve your country thing, but then
Speaker 1: looking back and then hearing people like you and some
Speaker 1: of my relatives who who have been to Iraq and Afghanistan.
Speaker 1: And I have a cousin that committed suicide because he
Speaker 1: I think he had PTSD and he'd seen a lot.
Speaker 1: At his funeral, they said he was an EOD tech
Speaker 1: in the Army and he had been he had been
Speaker 1: all over the world. He'd been in Bosnia and Sarajevo, Hnia.
Speaker 1: He's been everywhere. But he'd been on six hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy something missions, and I think that it just got
Speaker 1: to him. He was he was not far from retirement,
Speaker 1: and he committed suicide and it was just a really
Speaker 1: sad deal. He left a note behind said that, you know,
Speaker 1: people say that if you'd waited a couple of days,
Speaker 1: that you wouldn't have made that decision. He said, I
Speaker 1: I knew if I waited that I would have made
Speaker 1: the same decision, so I just went ahead with it.
Speaker 1: That's that was his suicide note, and I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: So he had just really been through some really tough things,
Speaker 1: and uh, it's just it's sad because you it all
Speaker 1: goes back to the evil and the people like George
Speaker 1: Bush who sleep comfortable in their bed every night knowing
Speaker 1: that we what do we lose? Every day? There's like
Speaker 1: hundreds of people were committing suicide because they can't deal
Speaker 1: with what they've seen. And you know, so there's a
Speaker 1: there's a part of me that's grateful that my dad
Speaker 1: talked to me out of going, but then there's a
Speaker 1: part of me that feels guilty because of things like
Speaker 1: my cousin committing suicide and I wasn't there. You know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's it's tough. I mean, you've you've
Speaker 1: been through it, and uh, you know, I appreciate your
Speaker 1: service and and uh, you know, I just everybody who's
Speaker 1: a soldier. I've always had like this immense appreciation appreciation
Speaker 1: for it, and especially before I was awake and I
Speaker 1: was like, these guys are are keeping them over there
Speaker 1: so we don't have to fight them over here.
Speaker 3: That was my life too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like all of the all of the things
Speaker 1: that you thought to this point that had you all
Speaker 1: hyped up, and now it's like, wow, I have family
Speaker 1: members who are never coming back because of a big lie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so it's just it's very it's very emotionally conflicting
Speaker 1: on multiple fronts.
Speaker 6: As uncomfortable and emotional it is to talk about something
Speaker 6: like that, it's very important because this is really addressing
Speaker 6: the problems. And listen, many people within iron units committed
Speaker 6: suicide because they couldn't handle what they've seen what went on,
Speaker 6: you know, and I'm we had it well, I'm not
Speaker 6: going to get into the certain things, but EOD tech
Speaker 6: is probably one of the top three stressful jobs in
Speaker 6: the military, especially when you're down range, when you're on
Speaker 6: you know, route clearance, you get a call, you're out
Speaker 6: there with your robot and everything else.
Speaker 3: It's just the level of stress.
Speaker 6: There was a movie, I think it was called The
Speaker 6: hurt Locker that you know, it's a movie, so they're
Speaker 6: not gonna but I mean, that's basically what they go through.
Speaker 6: And it's a shame that at the end of the day,
Speaker 6: it was all based on a lie, which Desert Storm
Speaker 6: was too. It came out that Nara al Sabah, the
Speaker 6: girl who cried in front of the Senate telling how
Speaker 6: the Iraqi soldiers were throwing babies on the ground.
Speaker 3: She lied.
Speaker 6: It's just one lie after another. And to go full
Speaker 6: circle again. I think in order for me to have
Speaker 6: taken the time to look into flat earth, I had
Speaker 6: to go through all the other rabbit holes and I
Speaker 6: actually stopped and I said, wait a second. If they're
Speaker 6: lying about this, and they're lying about that, why in
Speaker 6: the world would they not be lying about water sticking
Speaker 6: to a ball. And I think I think God intentionally
Speaker 6: put my awakening process in that order so I would
Speaker 6: take the time to look into it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's there's a natural process to follow. I
Speaker 1: think that. I think that so many people believe, like
Speaker 1: so many people are convinced that Waco was a bad
Speaker 1: deal and that Ruby Ridge was a bad deal, and
Speaker 1: getting people to believe that nine to eleven was a
Speaker 1: it was an inside job, is a little bit more
Speaker 1: of a challenge. But you say the words flat earth
Speaker 1: to somebody and they instantly just dismiss you as being
Speaker 1: one of the wackos, you might as well just say, hey,
Speaker 1: over the weekend, I joined a cold you know, because
Speaker 1: because they look at you like you're a you're a
Speaker 1: nut job. As soon as you say flat earth and
Speaker 1: I'm like learning about flat Earth, and especially like guys
Speaker 1: like flat Earth Dave and and some of these other people.
Speaker 1: Once you're able to charge articulate things to people in
Speaker 1: a clear and concise way and say, look, I'm not crazy.
Speaker 1: I believed in globe birth my whole life. And then
Speaker 1: within the last probably for me, it's been a little
Speaker 1: over a year probably that I've really taken the time.
Speaker 1: I heard about it ten years ago and I was
Speaker 1: kind of just dismissed it because of the Flat Earth
Speaker 1: Society and their website's a joke and it's probably dedicated
Speaker 1: to distract people who look into flatter But once you
Speaker 1: really are able to understand it, and you can see
Speaker 1: that most people that believe in the globe, they can't
Speaker 1: articulate anything about it when you ask them how fast
Speaker 1: is the Earth spinning? Or how far are we away
Speaker 1: from the sun? How far are we away from the moon?
Speaker 1: I like to ask people is moonlight warmer or colder
Speaker 1: than ambient air? They have no idea, And I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: if you are so convinced that we on a sphere
Speaker 1: a globe, then how come you can't articulate any of
Speaker 1: the specs about that? And you're willing to sit here
Speaker 1: and argue with me until you're blue in the face
Speaker 1: about whether it's round or flat. I mean, it just
Speaker 1: seems to me like if you were if you were
Speaker 1: into something like that, you would have it. You would
Speaker 1: have all of the numbers, you would have all of
Speaker 1: the specs. And matter of fact, I listened to a
Speaker 1: guy that argued with Dave on a different podcast, and
Speaker 1: he just would not come off of the globe thing
Speaker 1: and every everything about bringing bringing plane, air boats, going
Speaker 1: over the horizon back into focus with the camera and stuff.
Speaker 1: He's like, well, that's refraction. He's like, well, how is
Speaker 1: it refraction? When he's like, if it was refraction, then
Speaker 1: the sale would look upside down through the lens. And
Speaker 1: he just went through a lot of things and the
Speaker 1: guy just would not come off of it. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I you know, this is the same It's
Speaker 1: the same thing as when you're trying to, uh give
Speaker 1: some word to somebody who doesn't believe in God. It's like,
Speaker 1: if they tell you I don't believe it, you're not
Speaker 1: going to convince me that. You should probably just stop
Speaker 1: right there, because some people cannot be cannot be brought
Speaker 1: over to the truth, or they're afraid of it to
Speaker 1: the point where they don't want to hear about it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that there's some people that NASA could come out
Speaker 6: and admit the line, they'd still oh, you know, they would.
Speaker 6: They would blame it on something Trump got to him.
Speaker 6: He's trying to discredit NASA. People will look to any excuse.
Speaker 6: But at the end of the day, it changed. It
Speaker 6: is life changing, and I don't even think I realized
Speaker 6: it when I first started this podcast. Maybe subconsciously, you
Speaker 6: know obviously why the lie, but the impact that it
Speaker 6: has on people, and it I do think once people
Speaker 6: come to this particular rabbit hole and understand, it becomes
Speaker 6: this snow ball effect where it gets bigger and bigger
Speaker 6: and more light shines into you and you realize how
Speaker 6: this world really is versus what they tell.
Speaker 3: Us it is.
Speaker 6: And it is truly a moving experience that I will
Speaker 6: never forget.
Speaker 3: I mean I can still.
Speaker 6: I know I've said this before, but I remember that
Speaker 6: night and walking around and where I was, and just
Speaker 6: like where I was on nine to eleven or any
Speaker 6: other significant event, that's how important that awakening was to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the nine to eleven thing was a super emotional
Speaker 1: thing for me, because, like I said, I turned twenty
Speaker 1: one the day before, and I remember every moment of
Speaker 1: the day when that happened. I remember who I was with,
Speaker 1: what was said, you know, like every moment of that
Speaker 1: day I remember clearly, and for the next few days,
Speaker 1: and then I remember like documentaries. There were these two
Speaker 1: brothers that were making a documentary about firefighters in New York,
Speaker 1: and I watched their documentary several times after nine to eleven,
Speaker 1: and after I heard about the conspiracy, and like the
Speaker 1: very convincing thing, like when you were talking about the
Speaker 1: fact that steel melts at like twenty eight hundred degrees
Speaker 1: but jet field doesn't burn any hotter than eighteen hundred,
Speaker 1: I was like, that's that's the smoking gun right there.
Speaker 1: If if you need anything more to convince you than
Speaker 1: the fact that it wouldn't have gotten hot enough to
Speaker 1: do that, then I don't you know, there's no help
Speaker 1: for you if you don't believe that it was an
Speaker 1: inside job after that, if you don't believe that it
Speaker 1: was a controlled demolition. When you hear Larry Silverstein say
Speaker 1: I told them just to pull it, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like it's like anybody who's ever been around this stuff,
Speaker 1: or you hear all of the people that were that
Speaker 1: were in the building that kept hearing explosions and kept
Speaker 1: just so many things going on, or the emergency management
Speaker 1: guy that's disappeared and his whole family.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's like, it's like, what else do you need to
Speaker 1: hear to be convinced of that? And then the same
Speaker 1: thing with flat Earth. It's like, once I was able
Speaker 1: to believe nine to eleven was an inside job, flat
Speaker 1: Earth wasn't a hard transition for me because I kind
Speaker 1: of was like, if you can show me, I think
Speaker 1: I think it has to do with the fact that
Speaker 1: I was already a Christian person too. If you can
Speaker 1: show me in the word where it says, you know,
Speaker 1: the world was placed on a firm foundation, and then
Speaker 1: you can show me the firmament, and that's that's all
Speaker 1: I needed to hear. I was like, well, okay, that's
Speaker 1: pretty clear that the reason why it looks spherical when
Speaker 1: you look up is because there's a firmament over the top,
Speaker 1: Like operation fishbowl. We're clearly in a terrarium and we're
Speaker 1: the life that's being looked after. You know, the God
Speaker 1: put us in this terrarium, isn't it, you know, some
Speaker 1: kind of an experiment that started with him and even
Speaker 1: the garden, and it was like, you know it suppose
Speaker 1: it was supposed to be all peaceful until they messed
Speaker 1: up and introduced sin into the world and we've been
Speaker 1: paying for it ever since.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And there's some people who you know, kind of said, well,
Speaker 6: you know, if God is a just god, why does
Speaker 6: he allow this to happen that to happen. And people
Speaker 6: don't really understand free will. I mean, do you want
Speaker 6: every aspect of your life to be controlled to where
Speaker 6: you can't sin? Or do you want to be able
Speaker 6: to live your life and make choices and decisions.
Speaker 3: That's what he offers.
Speaker 1: You, right. Well, even the angels had free will, otherwise
Speaker 1: we would have never had the Nephelin. I mean even
Speaker 1: the angels. The angels weren't even robotic in that way. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: you have you have a definite choice. And I don't
Speaker 1: I don't believe you can be without sin because it's
Speaker 1: it's so prevalent and it's in your flesh. But I
Speaker 1: think that at some point, at some point, you know,
Speaker 1: will be made, will be made whole and get your
Speaker 1: new body and get to live with the Lord. But yeah,
Speaker 1: the flat earth ties into so many other things. I mean,
Speaker 1: like like we were talking about the millennial rain theory,
Speaker 1: that that is so powerful just looking at the buildings.
Speaker 1: I know, even here in Oklahoma, if you go to
Speaker 1: downtown Guthrie. I don't know if you've been to Guthrie before,
Speaker 1: but if you go through downtown Guthrie, there's so many
Speaker 1: Old World buildings there and there's no possible way that
Speaker 1: these buildings were built in this time period. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. There's so many theories out
Speaker 1: there that the world's been destroyed several times and that
Speaker 1: we're this new society, and I don't really know if
Speaker 1: I believe that. I just I just think that maybe
Speaker 1: if there was a millennial rain, all of these huge
Speaker 1: palaces that are everywhere were probably for those one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty thousand people that were reigning with the Lord.
Speaker 1: I mean, they talk about there's no bathrooms in these
Speaker 1: huge palaces, and it's like, well, they don't need it
Speaker 1: because they probably got their glorified bodies. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure a glorified body doesn't need to do all
Speaker 1: the things that we need to do. There was probably
Speaker 1: no requirement for a restroom, right, So it's just it's
Speaker 1: so it's so compelling, and I spend my work day.
Speaker 1: I sit at a desk doing work on a computer
Speaker 1: and I'll either have the Fact Hunter, Like I've listened
Speaker 1: to the whole back catalog. I think I told you
Speaker 1: in my email. I don't always listen to the William
Speaker 1: Cooper because he got angry towards the end.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I can kind of see it because it is
Speaker 6: interesting to listen to one of his shows from ninety
Speaker 6: three and then from i'd say ninety eight on.
Speaker 3: He would get very frustrated.
Speaker 1: Right He started to say sheeple a little too much
Speaker 1: for me, which is funny because it seems like such
Speaker 1: a small thing. But I was like, oh, he's on
Speaker 1: that again. So I but I like to listen to
Speaker 1: the Fritz spring Myer. The last one was about four
Speaker 1: hours long, and I think I listened to it in
Speaker 1: one shot when I was at work the other day.
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm consuming a lot of information. That's probably
Speaker 1: why I'm talking so fast. But like, over the last
Speaker 1: year and a half or so, I've just been I've
Speaker 1: just been tearing through information, whether it's conspiracies or and
Speaker 1: it seems like every conspiracy, no matter how outlandish, there's
Speaker 1: a nugget of truth in there somewhere, and if you
Speaker 1: can start to distill it down, you go, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: clearly I know who was involved in this. Whether it's
Speaker 1: a three letter agency or the Masade, or whether it
Speaker 1: was the Jews or the Rothschilds or like whoever, whoever
Speaker 1: it is, there's some some correlation in all of these things.
Speaker 1: One of the first things that really got me into
Speaker 1: that was like the the Illuminati thing. There was this
Speaker 1: video of a guy who I think he won the
Speaker 1: Voice or something over in New Zealand and that he
Speaker 1: became part of the Illuminati. Well then he broke away
Speaker 1: and he did this whole video that was I don't know,
Speaker 1: four or five hours long, and he started naming all
Speaker 1: the signs where they cover their eye and they you know,
Speaker 1: the Bapha met and all this other stuff. And I
Speaker 1: was oblivious to that before I watched that. I was like,
Speaker 1: where has this been hiding in plain sight my whole life?
Speaker 1: You know, all of the symbolism in Washington and all
Speaker 1: that stuff, and like it all started to come about
Speaker 1: and I was like I had been I don't even
Speaker 1: know where I've been all this time, Like this just
Speaker 1: showed up, and yeah, since all that happened, I've just
Speaker 1: been consuming stuff left and right, and I dig in
Speaker 1: and I followed the rabbit holes and it's just it's
Speaker 1: been a huge journey for me this whole past couple
Speaker 1: of years, and I think, you know, part of losing
Speaker 1: my parents kind of kind of spurred me to feel
Speaker 1: like I needed to know where I was at, you know,
Speaker 1: I I you kind of lose your grounding point when
Speaker 1: you lose people that were anchoring you at some point,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. You know, your parents are kind
Speaker 1: of like an anchoring point for you if you feel
Speaker 1: like you've lost your way, like when I went through
Speaker 1: my divorce four or five years ago, you just kind
Speaker 1: of feel like you need to go home at that
Speaker 1: point because you need to remember where you're from and
Speaker 1: then and then you can move on from there. But
Speaker 1: without my parents around, it's kind of like I needed
Speaker 1: to know the truth about everything, and now I've just
Speaker 1: been just been digging. And when I found flat Earth,
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I was right. When I said
Speaker 1: the moon landing was faked because obviously the Moon's not
Speaker 1: a destination, it's a light, you know. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: this has just been It's been very surreal the past
Speaker 1: couple of years, and like your show has, has been
Speaker 1: very enlightening. There's so many, so many back episodes. I
Speaker 1: encourage anybody who hasn't been through the back catalog to
Speaker 1: just I have it on two different apps. I listen
Speaker 1: to you on cast Box and on Amazon Music. And
Speaker 1: cast Box is kind of on the fritz sometimes and
Speaker 1: that's why I have it in two places, so if
Speaker 1: it's not working, I can just go to the other place.
Speaker 1: So nice.
Speaker 6: So you're the person who listens on cast box, the
Speaker 6: only person there's a few. I think Spotify has gotten
Speaker 6: so big. I think it's around ninety percent of our
Speaker 6: listenership is through Spotify speakers probably number two, and then
Speaker 6: all the Amazon cast Box we get listeners in India.
Speaker 6: It's pretty cool, you know, it breaks down. It's very
Speaker 6: humbling to see people around the world who actually take
Speaker 6: the time to listen to you. And I should mention
Speaker 6: by the time this comes out, I think Sunday and
Speaker 6: Monday we'll hit our podcast with four million downloads. So
Speaker 6: I guess now is a good time to thank everyone,
Speaker 6: including yourself, who is taking the time to listen to
Speaker 6: this old man rant about things that he's experienced and seen.
Speaker 6: Is fifty five years on this flat, semi flat and
Speaker 6: motionless earth. But before we do go, can I ask
Speaker 6: you again, what would you consider your six silver bullets
Speaker 6: if you had, you know, evidence to present before What
Speaker 6: would your six main pieces of evidence be to flat Earth?
Speaker 1: Well? Probably probably One of the big ones is just
Speaker 1: knowing that water settles to the bottom of anywhere you
Speaker 1: put it. No matter what container or or any kind
Speaker 1: of object you either cover it or put water in
Speaker 1: it or on it, It's going to go to the bottom.
Speaker 1: Water never flows upward, So if we had water surrounding
Speaker 1: the Earth, it would have went to the bottom. If
Speaker 1: it was a sphere, if we were spinning in one
Speaker 1: thousand miles an hour, the water would have flown off
Speaker 1: from centrifugal force. The argument for density and buoyancy is
Speaker 1: pretty big. Light objects don't sink. Heavy objects do, so
Speaker 1: gravity is probably bs Also, like uh, one of the
Speaker 1: other big ones is if you're watching the sunset, you
Speaker 1: have to believe that you're falling over backwards while watching
Speaker 1: the sunset and you're just getting further away from it
Speaker 1: and going over the plane. That's kind of like, that's
Speaker 1: definitive for me. The sixteen Emergency Landings Book. If if
Speaker 1: if you're listening to this and you haven't read that,
Speaker 1: just just get it on a get it get it
Speaker 1: on Kindle or something. Go ahead and download it through
Speaker 1: Amazon and read that. If you need any more proof
Speaker 1: than that, I you know, I don't know how to
Speaker 1: help you at that point. Let's see being able to
Speaker 1: bring boats back in with a with a zoom lens
Speaker 1: when they when you think they've gone over the horizon.
Speaker 1: There there's a mountain that I've heard Dave talk about
Speaker 1: that he was able to bring it in from like
Speaker 1: one hundred miles away at a certain period in the year.
Speaker 1: The way that the sun hits and everything, you're able
Speaker 1: to dial that in and it's not refraction. It's obvious
Speaker 1: that it's you're zooming in on the mountain that's one
Speaker 1: hundred miles away. That's pretty definitive. And I think I'm
Speaker 1: probably coming up on number six. Planes don't compensate for
Speaker 1: spherical earth. And if the world was a sphere, they'd
Speaker 1: constantly be nose down when they're flying. And as a
Speaker 1: guy who's an aircraft mechanic, I know a couple of
Speaker 1: things about it. I've read a lot of flight books,
Speaker 1: and they fly as if they're on a flat earth.
Speaker 1: And most of the pilots that I've asked about it
Speaker 1: since it's all came about, they're like, listen, we don't really,
Speaker 1: we're not supposed to talk about it. But when you're
Speaker 1: up really high, you're at forty fifty thousand feet, you
Speaker 1: look out the window, it's a flatter there's no obvious
Speaker 1: curve to the earth, and if you know how much
Speaker 1: drop there is, it's like eight inches per mile. If
Speaker 1: you're fifty thousand feet up, you're going to be looking
Speaker 1: down like you're looking at a tennis ball. So those
Speaker 1: are my six bullets.
Speaker 6: And two things I wanted to add to that is, first,
Speaker 6: if you're ever near Colorado's Springs again, go do the
Speaker 6: incline if you're able to do so, because when you
Speaker 6: get to the top and lookout, you'll say, yeah, we're
Speaker 6: not on a ball. And secondly, as to again, one
Speaker 6: of the most compelling pieces of evidence that I completely
Speaker 6: agree with, is the sixteen Emergency Landings Proving Flat Earth
Speaker 6: by Eddie Allencarr. I will have that linked in the
Speaker 6: blog post on the website so you can go check
Speaker 6: out the podcast. It's embedded on the website, and everything
Speaker 6: that we talked about today, from Vince Foster to Ruby
Speaker 6: Ridge to sixteen Emergency Landings will all be in add
Speaker 6: it all in one location for you to research. So, Matt,
Speaker 6: it's been an incredible ninety minutes before we go, As always,
Speaker 6: I like to give my guests the last word.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm just really really grateful that I got to
Speaker 1: be on the program. I've I've kind of toyed with
Speaker 1: the idea of starting a podcast. I'm kind of like
Speaker 1: I'll probably end up being the next rival. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: I was talking to my son about it today and
Speaker 1: I think that it's something that's on the agenda maybe
Speaker 1: when I retire. But I really enjoy listening to your program.
Speaker 1: I listen to both of them. I listened in several
Speaker 1: others that I mentioned in my email to you, And
Speaker 1: you know, you're just you're you're on the edge right now.
Speaker 1: You're you're like the rush limball of the truth committed
Speaker 1: community and I'm really just grateful that I found your
Speaker 1: program and that that it's led me to so many
Speaker 1: other truths, and so I I hope that anybody that's
Speaker 1: listening just just dig back through the back catalog. I've
Speaker 1: listened to hundreds of hours of George Hobbs, and it's
Speaker 1: kind of surreal talking to you because I feel like
Speaker 1: we're old friends, but you've never heard my voice before,
Speaker 1: so it's kind of kind of different. But I've had
Speaker 1: just a really great conversation with you, and I feel
Speaker 1: like it helps to talk to people who are like
Speaker 1: minded and people that are awake. So I really appreciate
Speaker 1: the opportunity to be on your show.
Speaker 6: Yeah I can't same expression right back to you. I
Speaker 6: mean locally, I don't have a lot of people to
Speaker 6: talk to about this particular thing. So I feel blessed
Speaker 6: and lucky to be able to have this type of
Speaker 6: conversation every single week.
Speaker 3: It's very therapeutic and just.
Speaker 6: To be able to communicate with like minded people about
Speaker 6: subjects where if you talk about it with friends and family,
Speaker 6: you could get the man, are you crazy? Have you
Speaker 6: been drinking today? So to be able to have this
Speaker 6: type of conversation on a weekly basis. I am truly blessed.
Speaker 6: So again, Matt, thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 6: It was just a great conversation that I know so
Speaker 6: many people are going to be thankful for having listened
Speaker 6: to it. For Matt, I'm George. God bless each and
Speaker 6: every one of you. I hope you have a wonderful week,
Speaker 6: and I look forward to our podcast next Sunday. Keep
Speaker 6: your head on a swivel, and until we meet again,
Speaker 6: my friends, we will see.
Speaker 1: I know it's been struggle.
Speaker 9: I don't know you've had spain.
Speaker 5: I know you feel it tied.
Speaker 9: Tell down about all the way.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I know you feeling.
Speaker 5: You smile ain't the same.
Speaker 9: That so way to go from here? I feel like
Speaker 9: you've lost your way. Don't give it. No, don't give it.
Speaker 9: Never is home. Don't let goll the prime.
Speaker 3: It ain't done yet.
Speaker 5: He's got up.
Speaker 1: Glad.
Speaker 3: Why it's away?
Speaker 4: God up?
Speaker 9: Let me come.
Speaker 10: Why it's a wait? God up.
Speaker 9: I can see the street beside you. Childs are putting
Speaker 9: up the five.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're stronger than a thing.
Speaker 9: You are.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you're gonna be all right. You're accepting a bad bound.
Speaker 8: Beautiful you're shoving ride Yeah, you're living, breathing, moving.
Speaker 5: You can hold your head a pie. Don't give up, No,
Speaker 5: don't give in. Never loves home. Don't they call on
Speaker 5: the primies? It ain't donet's got a clay? Why a raintail?
Speaker 5: The god of maybe come, don't give up nor don't
Speaker 5: give in you never live home? Don't let go on
Speaker 5: the primies. It ain't gon life.
Speaker 3: It's worth than me.
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Speaker 4: Yes, what's a pray down? The god baby come?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, got steamy coll.
Speaker 4: Oh, don't give up.
Speaker 1: No, don't give in, never lose hold, don't let.
Speaker 10: Go of the primise me and done? Yes, God a plane,
Speaker 10: watch you die, god of if it comes? And don't
Speaker 10: give up?
Speaker 9: No dog giving but never the hold. Don't let go
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Speaker 10: Wats and died? The god of every cols Oh, the
Speaker 10: God of need cos Wat's done?
Speaker 9: The God of a.
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Speaker 1: Just the facts, Mammy