WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:05.160 The following presentation is abol Marvis Studio's production. 2 00:00:22.679 --> 00:00:29.600 When you look on the sky, do you feel the poll? 3 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:32.799 The question why. 4 00:00:33.799 --> 00:00:40.719 The stories told and left behind in shadows where the 5 00:00:40.840 --> 00:00:42.280 truth we find? 6 00:00:44.640 --> 00:00:50.880 They build their tails on grafts and lives on theories. 7 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:53.880 They stake their designed. 8 00:00:55.000 --> 00:01:02.439 Put down here on this solid brown the answer screen. 9 00:01:02.799 --> 00:01:10.879 They're all around, rise and break through all the lies. 10 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:14.519 The Fat Files on fall. 11 00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:21.840 The page is repeally truth that hif the stage is 12 00:01:21.959 --> 00:01:26.879 from the firm, moments on high and right. 13 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:30.760 To the dowstat boom in the dead. 14 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:34.680 Welcome back shorts seekers from around the world. It's time 15 00:01:34.719 --> 00:01:38.640 for another edition of the Flat Earth Files. I'm your 16 00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:41.680 host is always George Hobbes. I hope this message finds 17 00:01:41.719 --> 00:01:45.439 everyone well. Now we're recording on this Friday evening, September 18 00:01:45.439 --> 00:01:49.120 twenty seventh, is about seven pm Eastern time, and obviously 19 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:51.760 the news of the day has, you know, between the 20 00:01:51.760 --> 00:01:54.920 weather and what's going on in Beirroute. So if we 21 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:56.840 have this interview and you wonder why we're not talking 22 00:01:56.840 --> 00:01:58.560 about certain world events that may or may not have 23 00:01:58.599 --> 00:02:01.480 taken place by the time you listen to this podcast, 24 00:02:02.079 --> 00:02:05.519 it is because we are recording again it's Friday, September 25 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:08.080 twenty seventh at seven pm Eastern time. 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Matt, thank you so much for taking 50 00:03:29.719 --> 00:03:31.240 the time to join us tonight. 51 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:33.759 Yeah, thanks for having me on. Yeah. 52 00:03:33.800 --> 00:03:36.560 Absolutely. Please introduce yourself to the audience so they can 53 00:03:36.639 --> 00:03:37.319 kind of get to know you. 54 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:45.000 Okay, my name is Matt. I'm an Oklahoma native, a 55 00:03:45.080 --> 00:03:48.439 gen xer born in nineteen eighty. I guess that's the 56 00:03:48.560 --> 00:03:53.840 last year of gen X, so that's cool. I'm just 57 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:55.960 kind of like a normal gen X kid. I grew 58 00:03:56.039 --> 00:03:58.759 up riding bikes and playing outside. We didn't we didn't 59 00:03:58.759 --> 00:04:01.840 come into the street, lights came on and climbed trees, 60 00:04:03.639 --> 00:04:06.240 played Cowboys and Indians, you know, things like that, hide 61 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:08.520 and seek. I don't think they do any of that anymore. 62 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:12.439 I'm pretty sure you get canceled if you play Cowboys 63 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:13.000 and Indians. 64 00:04:14.319 --> 00:04:18.240 Yeah. Before I was born, my dad had been a 65 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:23.720 marine and so pretty strict upbringing. They didn't give you 66 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:30.560 any warnings or timeouts. That wasn't a thing. On another note, 67 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:34.000 my parents both passed away in twenty twenty amid the 68 00:04:34.120 --> 00:04:39.000 COVID thing. My mom had lung cancer and she got 69 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:42.639 better and then six weeks later they said she had 70 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:45.639 stage four liver cancer and they weren't able to save her. 71 00:04:46.839 --> 00:04:50.560 And that was in March of twenty twenty. And then 72 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:55.240 a few months later found out my dad had cancer. 73 00:04:55.319 --> 00:04:58.879 He didn't even know. He broke his collarbone and they 74 00:04:58.959 --> 00:05:02.240 were they did an ex straight and they're like, your 75 00:05:02.279 --> 00:05:07.480 collarbone broke because most of it's gone. He had cancer there, 76 00:05:07.560 --> 00:05:10.399 he had he had lymph node cancer, he had in 77 00:05:10.399 --> 00:05:15.319 his brain, like he had cancer literally everywhere. And a 78 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:17.959 month later, that was June. A month later in July 79 00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:22.560 he had passed away. So four months apart, and it 80 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:27.519 was just a crazy twenty twenty was horrible for us 81 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:30.800 to lose both parents like that, four months apart is 82 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:37.839 just wild. But yeah, I've I've been kind of like 83 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:41.160 a I thought I was a truther for a long time. 84 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:45.160 For like eight ten years. I listened to Rush Limbaugh 85 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:49.560 every day. I listened to Neil Boards came on before that, 86 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:52.279 and then when he when he went off the air, 87 00:05:52.600 --> 00:05:54.879 Rush came on. When Rush went off, I listened to 88 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:59.120 Sean Hannity, and I really thought that I was informed, 89 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:03.279 you know, and I was a conservative Republican. And now 90 00:06:03.319 --> 00:06:07.680 I'm just like man, all those years I was I 91 00:06:07.720 --> 00:06:10.600 was being led by the people who are taking you 92 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:15.639 where they want to take you. You know. I feel like, 93 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:18.399 I hate to say it about Rush now that he's gone, 94 00:06:18.439 --> 00:06:21.759 because I really liked listening to him, but I kind 95 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:25.279 of feel like he was part of the opposition that 96 00:06:25.480 --> 00:06:27.680 was paid to lead you where they want you to go, 97 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:32.560 kind of like all the Alex Jones type, you know. 98 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:39.360 So but yeah, those were a lot of years where 99 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:41.160 I really thought that I knew what was going on 100 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:44.120 in the world. And now it's like, over the last 101 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:48.920 couple of years, I started off listening to a conspiracy 102 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:53.639 show that was Richard Sarah, and just many topics would 103 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:56.639 come up, like the nepheline and things like that, and 104 00:06:56.720 --> 00:06:58.759 I hadn't really even dealt with any of that. I 105 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:00.800 was like, what is the nephiline? And then I started 106 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:04.680 digging in and I was like, Wow, I knew about giants, 107 00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:07.639 but I didn't know that they were probably descendance of demons, 108 00:07:07.839 --> 00:07:13.079 you know. And then I just really got into listening 109 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:16.839 to conspiracy shows and podcasts were kind of getting big, 110 00:07:16.920 --> 00:07:19.439 so I just started going through and I would start 111 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:24.120 with conspiracy in the title, and then somehow I came 112 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:31.560 across The Fact Hunter, and I have listened to hundreds 113 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:35.560 of hours of both both The Fact Hunter and this program, 114 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:39.759 and it's kind of surreal because I feel like I've 115 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:41.639 been friends with you for a long time, but we've 116 00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:43.040 never actually had a conversation. 117 00:07:44.879 --> 00:07:46.439 Yeah, that's the cool thing with radio. 118 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:50.959 I remember growing up and meeting one of the Phillies announcers. 119 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:51.519 Was growing up. 120 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:53.319 When I went to bed at night, I listened to 121 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:55.079 the radio. Radio was a big part of my life 122 00:07:55.120 --> 00:07:57.680 growing up. I'm obviously a gen X or a decade 123 00:07:57.680 --> 00:08:01.879 older than you, but you know, when you started introducing 124 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:06.240 yourself and you were mentioning how what our childhood was like, 125 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:09.720 I don't know what word to use, but man, it's 126 00:08:10.040 --> 00:08:14.160 just it was I don't want to use the word wholesome, 127 00:08:14.439 --> 00:08:17.519 but it was such. You know, the parents didn't worry 128 00:08:17.560 --> 00:08:19.759 about us the way they do today. We got on 129 00:08:19.800 --> 00:08:20.879 our bikes, we rode around. 130 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:23.560 And what really resonated. 131 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:25.360 With me is when you mentioned the street lights, because 132 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:29.160 that was the universal code in our neighborhood. No matter 133 00:08:29.199 --> 00:08:31.199 what we were doing, whether we were playing baseball or 134 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:33.440 riding our bikes, the street light came on all right, 135 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:36.200 we got to go home because my mom usually put 136 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:38.960 on a limit of five to ten minutes, like after 137 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:41.279 the street lights came on or else I was going 138 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:44.000 to get a talking to. And it's just so interesting 139 00:08:44.279 --> 00:08:48.440 within a matter of you know, thirty years, how different 140 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:54.440 of a childhood that we have versus what they have today. 141 00:08:54.639 --> 00:08:56.559 And if you go from the fifties to the thirties, 142 00:08:56.600 --> 00:08:58.679 even that isn't such a huge difference. It was kind 143 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:01.320 of the same thing. People their bikes, played ball, street 144 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:04.440 lights came on, they went home. But you know, over 145 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:07.559 the last ten twenty years, everything has changed. 146 00:09:08.679 --> 00:09:09.720 Across the board. 147 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:12.879 And obviously I think video games and the cell phones, 148 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:15.120 and you know, I don't. 149 00:09:14.919 --> 00:09:16.879 I can't point to a particular. 150 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:19.480 Event, but I guess I just kind of miss those 151 00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:22.120 times when you know you can trust your neighbors and 152 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:24.000 your children could go out ride bikes, and they're more 153 00:09:24.039 --> 00:09:27.360 interested of interacting with each other face to face versus 154 00:09:27.679 --> 00:09:29.600 chatting online or whatever the case may be. 155 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:34.480 Right, I think the advent of the Internet, and well, 156 00:09:34.559 --> 00:09:37.320 like even even when I was young, and like the 157 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:40.279 early eighties, early to mid eighties, when the Nintendo came 158 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:42.720 out and people quit coming outside as much and then 159 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:46.360 it just went from there, the Super Nintendo and Sega. 160 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:49.919 It just it got really crazy. And with the with 161 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:53.639 the advent of the PC and all the games and 162 00:09:53.759 --> 00:09:57.559 Internet and cell phones. Now, like kids are gonna have 163 00:09:57.679 --> 00:10:00.519 negg problems, their heads always down, they always have their phones. 164 00:10:01.600 --> 00:10:04.320 I can't. I have. I have a few. Like we 165 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:10.080 have four children all together. I have a son from 166 00:10:10.120 --> 00:10:14.080 my previous marriage, and my wife has two daughters, and 167 00:10:14.159 --> 00:10:17.799 so my my son's thirteen, and she's got a she's 168 00:10:17.799 --> 00:10:21.120 got a fifteen year old and an eighteen year old 169 00:10:21.639 --> 00:10:25.200 that are my stepdaughters. But we also have a three 170 00:10:25.320 --> 00:10:29.320 year old, so we've kind of started over with that. 171 00:10:29.480 --> 00:10:33.759 But I noticed that all of our teenagers always have 172 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:35.639 their cell phone, and I kind of wish that I 173 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:39.799 had done flip phones or or started later with with 174 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:43.360 the cell phone deal, because they just they don't have 175 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:46.919 the childhood that we had. They don't and the innocence 176 00:10:46.919 --> 00:10:49.279 doesn't last as long. I know that they know about 177 00:10:49.360 --> 00:10:52.200 things that I didn't know about until I was quite 178 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:55.799 a bit older, and I think that's just something that 179 00:10:55.799 --> 00:10:58.559 comes along with having having the Internet and all the 180 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:01.360 information right at your fingers all day, every day. 181 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:02.039 Yep. 182 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:05.360 And we often talk about the double edged sword of technology, 183 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:10.360 and that is certainly one of them. Right, absolutely, right, yeah, man, 184 00:11:10.399 --> 00:11:12.240 And another thing I wanted to mention, And you know, 185 00:11:12.360 --> 00:11:15.879 my heart goes out to you because you know, most 186 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:19.440 people struggled with twenty twenty just with you know, what 187 00:11:19.639 --> 00:11:22.840 was presented to us as a pandemic. But to you know, 188 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:25.440 lose both parents during that time on top of it, 189 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:28.399 I can't imagine, you know, I don't want to dwell 190 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:32.360 too much on it, but did the events that were 191 00:11:32.399 --> 00:11:35.639 going on the world complicate you know, obviously they were 192 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:37.200 in the hospital and things of that nature. 193 00:11:38.440 --> 00:11:41.679 Yeah, like my mom's funeral we had to have outside, 194 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:44.919 which it turned out it was okay because it was 195 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:47.080 in March. Otherwise we would have only been able to 196 00:11:47.120 --> 00:11:50.440 have ten people if we did it indoors. And she 197 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:54.159 has she has four brothers, and I have probably a 198 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:57.759 hundred cousins, and like, I mean, it was just there 199 00:11:57.840 --> 00:12:01.120 was way too many people to accommodate an indoor service, 200 00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:04.399 and they wouldn't let more than ten people in. And 201 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:08.919 I mean I'm one of four siblings, so it was 202 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:12.279 it was just just to have our wives and kids. 203 00:12:12.320 --> 00:12:16.279 There would have been more than ten people. So yeah, 204 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:19.000 that was very, very difficult. And then when my dad 205 00:12:19.159 --> 00:12:21.600 a few months later, when he had cancer and went 206 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:25.360 into the hospital, they really didn't want to let any 207 00:12:25.399 --> 00:12:29.720 of us in to see him. And finally we petitioned 208 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:31.559 hard enough that I was able to get my younger 209 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:34.399 sister in there and she stayed with him for a 210 00:12:34.440 --> 00:12:36.399 couple of weeks, and then they sent him home for 211 00:12:36.559 --> 00:12:40.039 hospice because if we went to a nursing facility, we 212 00:12:40.039 --> 00:12:42.360 wouldn't have been able to see him, you know, he 213 00:12:42.399 --> 00:12:44.679 would have just passed away by himself. So we brought 214 00:12:44.759 --> 00:12:47.559 him home and put him on hospice for the last 215 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:51.039 couple of weeks. So that was it was. It was 216 00:12:51.080 --> 00:12:57.320 really tough. But yeah, COVID. You know, if if that's 217 00:12:57.360 --> 00:13:01.120 more than just a hoast, then we still don't have 218 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:03.679 answers on COVID. No. 219 00:13:04.120 --> 00:13:07.200 And that's something that I try to on the fact 220 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:09.960 un or bring up about every six months because I 221 00:13:10.039 --> 00:13:11.919 put that in line with nine to eleven and other 222 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:16.639 things that we need to remind people of often, no 223 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:20.840 matter what it was, the tyranny, the shutdowns, the closing 224 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:23.840 of churches, that is something that show, you know, we 225 00:13:23.879 --> 00:13:27.759 should remember and implored that it never happened again. 226 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:32.559 Right, Yeah, that's that's I don't think that people would 227 00:13:32.559 --> 00:13:34.519 fall for it like they did the last time. I 228 00:13:34.519 --> 00:13:37.799 think the fifteen what was it, fifteen days to stop 229 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:39.960 the spread or flatten. 230 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:40.480 The curve or whatever. 231 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:43.240 Yeah, I don't. I don't think that people would go 232 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:45.919 for that again. I know that I was. I was 233 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:48.000 in a walmart when they had the arrows on the 234 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:51.320 floor and I was already done at that point. I 235 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:53.919 was like, I'm not I'm not following the arrows. I'm 236 00:13:53.919 --> 00:13:58.080 not wearing my mask. And I remember walking down an 237 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:01.600 aisle in the reverse direction and I didn't have my 238 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:05.480 mask on, and this older lady she goes, you're going 239 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:08.240 the wrong direction, and I kind of looked around like 240 00:14:08.279 --> 00:14:10.080 I was lost, and I said, I'm sorry, I didn't 241 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:15.200 have my compass, and I just kept walking. 242 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:16.399 Yeah. 243 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:18.639 That is something I talk about often too, is just 244 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:21.200 how regular people felt empowered. And I think that was 245 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:25.799 part of the plan to further divide and conquer us, right, 246 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:28.720 the people, so we can as long as we're fighting 247 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:31.960 amongst ourselves, that'll take the attention away from the people 248 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:35.480 who were really causing all the pain and atrocities, you know, 249 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:37.279 not just here but around the world. 250 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:43.440 Right. If it's not if it's not like abortion, it's racism. 251 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:47.600 If it's not racism, it's the pandemic and the mask 252 00:14:47.679 --> 00:14:52.960 wearers and the vaccinated versus the unvaxed. It's always some 253 00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:59.200 strategy to pull people apart from each other. So, yeah, 254 00:14:59.360 --> 00:15:01.679 they're masters that that they've been doing it forever. 255 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:07.559 I kind of laughed when you were talking about Rush 256 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:11.360 and those guys. Sean Hannity is who actually if you look, 257 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:14.399 he wears a Cia lapel pin, which is kind of funny. 258 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:17.320 But I too was like, you know, ten years ago 259 00:15:17.440 --> 00:15:19.679 or so, I'd listening to Glenn Beck. Well I got 260 00:15:19.679 --> 00:15:22.320 it all figured out, and it's the left that are 261 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:24.519 just evil, and you know, we have to have our 262 00:15:25.559 --> 00:15:29.759 work hard and get the conservative guy elected president. And 263 00:15:29.799 --> 00:15:33.879 it's just funny when you look back and reflect the layers, 264 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:37.279 just like an onion of your awakening, right, you know, 265 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:41.279 it's just hilarious. And again to me, you know, certain 266 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:44.440 things were considered conspiracy, but then when you start to 267 00:15:44.440 --> 00:15:47.039 find out the truth about Oklahoma City nine to eleven, 268 00:15:47.120 --> 00:15:51.440 like you mentioned the atrocities of Waco and Ruby Ridge, 269 00:15:51.440 --> 00:15:55.399 which I believe that most probably over seventy five percent 270 00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:57.320 of the people today know nothing about. 271 00:15:57.159 --> 00:16:01.639 Ruby Ridge, right. Yeah, it was well, you know, being 272 00:16:01.639 --> 00:16:04.039 a gen exter, that was something that happened. I was 273 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:07.799 still pretty young when it happened, but my parents were. 274 00:16:09.639 --> 00:16:14.080 They were kind of awake for the nineties. I guess 275 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:16.919 about as awake as I was before I was into 276 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:21.360 the truth, and so they believed that the government went 277 00:16:21.399 --> 00:16:25.480 in and tried to murder the whole family, and I 278 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:28.720 think they would have if if Randy Weaver hadn't been 279 00:16:28.759 --> 00:16:33.519 a Green Beret or Special Forces whatever he was. I 280 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:36.759 think they probably would have killed the whole family and 281 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:39.559 it would have just been something that got pushed aside. 282 00:16:39.600 --> 00:16:42.759 But they were able to hold out and draw attention, 283 00:16:43.720 --> 00:16:45.840 and so that that was one of those things that 284 00:16:46.000 --> 00:16:48.200 was just like an early atrocity that was like, Wow, 285 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:51.200 the government's really not in our corner at all. And 286 00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:55.360 then when Waco happened, I think I was about thirteen 287 00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:59.759 at the time, I was like, it was so obvious 288 00:16:59.799 --> 00:17:02.440 that set that place on fire, and then they tried 289 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:04.720 to blame it on the branch Davidians. I was like, 290 00:17:05.079 --> 00:17:07.759 there's no way that they did that to themselves. Nobody 291 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:12.640 burns themselves out, of course not. I mean, you saw 292 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:14.799 the people jumping out of the building on nine to eleven. 293 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:18.880 Nobody sets themselves on fire as like a as like 294 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:22.160 taking a stand. Oh I'm gonna I'm gonna burn myself out. Now, 295 00:17:22.359 --> 00:17:27.400 nobody does that. So yeah, I just thought that was 296 00:17:27.960 --> 00:17:29.880 That was like one of the early times when I 297 00:17:29.960 --> 00:17:34.359 really realized how evil people can be. Janet Reno, I 298 00:17:34.759 --> 00:17:38.319 just remembered looking at her thinking she's like a bulldog 299 00:17:38.799 --> 00:17:41.240 and just just evil as can be. 300 00:17:42.839 --> 00:17:45.079 And then and then I'm sorry, go ahead. 301 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:47.680 And then you know, with the whole thing with the 302 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:53.559 Bush family, I really thought you'll get a kick out 303 00:17:53.599 --> 00:17:57.640 of this. I really thought that Bush Junior, I thought 304 00:17:57.680 --> 00:18:00.119 he was like a great guy. When the whole and 305 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:02.240 the whole nine to eleven thing happened, I thought, wow, 306 00:18:02.279 --> 00:18:04.359 he got a bum deal coming into office. And then 307 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:09.480 a couple months later this happened. And then as the 308 00:18:09.519 --> 00:18:13.000 truth about nine to eleven kind of trickled out, I 309 00:18:13.960 --> 00:18:16.640 didn't really want to believe it. When I when I 310 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:19.079 started to realize it was a conspiracy, I was like, 311 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:23.759 there's no way. I mean, I just kind of believed 312 00:18:23.559 --> 00:18:27.640 the idea that the upper floors, the like the pins 313 00:18:27.680 --> 00:18:30.039 that were holding the steel in place, got weak from 314 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:32.480 the heat and they started collapsing. I was like, people 315 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:36.119 are crazy to assume that the government would would take 316 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:40.279 out these buildings. And then when you watch the windows 317 00:18:40.279 --> 00:18:43.039 blow out, and you can really tell that the controlled 318 00:18:43.079 --> 00:18:45.920 demolition was taking place. And then I didn't know about 319 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:50.279 Building seven until a few years later, and it, you know, 320 00:18:50.319 --> 00:18:53.480 it just all started to come together and I was like, oh, wow, 321 00:18:54.079 --> 00:18:57.160 this this is the real deal. They really killed three 322 00:18:57.240 --> 00:19:00.559 thousand people plus on that day, you know. And then 323 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:03.319 the Pentagon I knew right away when I saw the hole. 324 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:06.440 I was like, that definitely wasn't a jumbo jet that 325 00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:09.880 hit that place. But you know, what do you do 326 00:19:09.920 --> 00:19:11.680 about it? I was just I was just one of 327 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:16.160 those people that was like everybody else going, well, I'm 328 00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:18.480 just I'm just Joe blow over here. There's nothing I 329 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:21.480 can do about it, and so you just you just 330 00:19:21.559 --> 00:19:24.839 kind of take it. And then you end up several 331 00:19:24.920 --> 00:19:27.240 years later with COVID going, well, they want me to 332 00:19:27.279 --> 00:19:30.720 take the shot. I don't know if I have a choice, you. 333 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:35.640 Know, absolutely, And that's kind of something I mentioned yesterday. 334 00:19:35.640 --> 00:19:37.160 That's what they want us to think. They want to 335 00:19:37.160 --> 00:19:40.680 trivialize us, and you know, there's nothing we can do 336 00:19:40.759 --> 00:19:44.519 about it. But getting out and speaking the truth is 337 00:19:44.599 --> 00:19:48.960 a big part of, you know, making progress and waking 338 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:53.559 people up. And for me, you know, one thing I 339 00:19:53.559 --> 00:19:57.240 wanted to mention when you think about it, Ruby Ridge 340 00:19:57.240 --> 00:20:01.319 to Waco was like six months and and exactly two 341 00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:04.400 years to the day from Waco to Oklahoma City. Both 342 00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:08.200 of them were April nineteenth, one ninety three, one ninety five. 343 00:20:09.160 --> 00:20:11.880 You know, we talk about some of these administrations and 344 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:15.000 I'll say it again, presidents are simply CEOs that answer 345 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:17.200 to the bankers and oil barons, the. 346 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:19.079 You know. 347 00:20:19.559 --> 00:20:20.799 But at the end of the day, that's kind of 348 00:20:20.799 --> 00:20:22.960 how we blanket term that time when you look at 349 00:20:23.640 --> 00:20:27.880 the Clinton administration and something another thing we never talk about. 350 00:20:27.920 --> 00:20:30.039 I did a podcast on this maybe four years ago, 351 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:34.039 twa eight hundred that was taken out by either Israel 352 00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:38.200 or taken out accidentally by the US Navy. And this 353 00:20:38.279 --> 00:20:41.720 happened just months before the election of I think it 354 00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:45.240 was I don't remember if it was Clinton's second election 355 00:20:46.160 --> 00:20:49.240 or it was. I think it was ninety six, so 356 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:52.000 it must have been Clinton's second election. But there's so 357 00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:54.480 many things that happened in the nineties that get brushed 358 00:20:54.519 --> 00:20:58.000 under the rug. But moving on to nine to eleven, 359 00:20:58.119 --> 00:21:01.240 and you had mentioned how like when we first hear 360 00:21:01.240 --> 00:21:03.920 about it, it's like that's just too much, right. We 361 00:21:05.440 --> 00:21:08.319 go through certain conspiracies and we say, Okay, maybe this 362 00:21:08.480 --> 00:21:11.039 is that, maybe that is that, but there's no way 363 00:21:11.079 --> 00:21:15.400 our government was complicit in killing three thousand people. But 364 00:21:15.519 --> 00:21:17.279 nine to eleven and flat Earth were two of the 365 00:21:17.279 --> 00:21:21.960 biggest things that it took me a long time to digest. 366 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:24.720 And I wonder if that was something that you had 367 00:21:24.720 --> 00:21:28.160 to deal with as well with nine to eleven and 368 00:21:28.200 --> 00:21:33.720 then later down the road with flat earth where it wholesale, 369 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:37.200 it really wholesale changes your entire way of life and 370 00:21:37.279 --> 00:21:37.920 way of thinking. 371 00:21:39.240 --> 00:21:43.440 Yeah, it really did, because with nine to eleven, I 372 00:21:43.519 --> 00:21:46.400 know for sure that I used to get mad when 373 00:21:46.440 --> 00:21:49.440 I would hear people act like it was a conspiracy, 374 00:21:49.519 --> 00:21:52.000 you know. I was like, well, there's no way that 375 00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:54.160 they were able to pull that off, and everybody just 376 00:21:54.200 --> 00:21:58.319 fell for it. And I remember, like early on, I 377 00:21:58.359 --> 00:22:01.599 think it was even rosy O'Donnell was saying that she 378 00:22:01.599 --> 00:22:05.319 didn't believe it was anything but a government cover up, 379 00:22:05.720 --> 00:22:09.480 and I was like, Okay, well, Rosie o'donald's crazy, you know, 380 00:22:09.759 --> 00:22:13.039 which to this day, I think Rosie o'donald's crazy, But 381 00:22:16.839 --> 00:22:18.960 that was like one of the first times, and so 382 00:22:19.119 --> 00:22:21.799 I just kind of thought anybody who thought that was 383 00:22:21.839 --> 00:22:25.240 a conspiracy was crazy. And then the same thing with 384 00:22:25.359 --> 00:22:29.799 flat earth. And I remember one of my ex wife's 385 00:22:29.799 --> 00:22:32.559 friends came in, she was at our house, and she 386 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:37.240 was talking about her husband. She says, she says, my 387 00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:41.119 husband believes in flat earth. She's like, can you believe that? 388 00:22:41.519 --> 00:22:43.440 She just gave it, gave us a look, and I 389 00:22:43.519 --> 00:22:47.119 was at the time, I was like, I hadn't really 390 00:22:47.119 --> 00:22:49.400 given it any thought. And I sat there for a 391 00:22:49.480 --> 00:22:52.359 second and I said, well, I would have to hear 392 00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:55.079 the argument, because I've always been the type that I 393 00:22:55.160 --> 00:22:58.880 want to know more about something. And this was probably 394 00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:03.920 ten years ago, and then I had I had never 395 00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:05.680 been able to link up with him to kind of 396 00:23:05.960 --> 00:23:09.759 pick his brain on it. And then I was I 397 00:23:09.839 --> 00:23:13.000 was listening to another program and and somebody brought it 398 00:23:13.119 --> 00:23:15.640 up and they used the Flat Earth Society, and so 399 00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:18.119 I thought it was you know, I kind of ended 400 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:22.680 up thinking it was kooks after that, so but then 401 00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:28.759