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<v Speaker 1>Well, it is my pleasure to be joined on our

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<v Speaker 1>podcast this week by Lamont Roach. Lamar Roach, you have

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<v Speaker 1>another challenging fight coming up December sixth. You'll be main

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<v Speaker 1>event of the PBC Prime Video pay for view CARDI

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<v Speaker 1>B challenging the WBC Interim Junior Welterweight titleholder, Isaac Pittbull

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<v Speaker 1>Cruz in the Great Fight City of San Antonio at

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<v Speaker 1>the Frost Bank Center. So welcome to the show. The

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<v Speaker 1>last time we spoke was before you had your last

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<v Speaker 1>fight against Tank Davis earlier this year, so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I got it before we get into everything with Pitbull,

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<v Speaker 1>which I find to be a very intriguing fight, to

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<v Speaker 1>be honest, we got to get into a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about what we've seen earlier this year. That fight was

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<v Speaker 1>back in February. You moved up in wait to lightweight

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<v Speaker 1>to challenge him for his WBA Lightweight championship, and you

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<v Speaker 1>were held to what most people considered a highly controversial

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<v Speaker 1>draw in that fight. A lot of people thought that

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<v Speaker 1>you won that fight, that the referee blew the knockdown

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<v Speaker 1>call in the ninth round, did not penalize him by

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<v Speaker 1>points or DQ for running to the corner getting wiped off.

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<v Speaker 1>There was all kinds of things that went haywire. They

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<v Speaker 1>screwed up the potential for replay. So all these months

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<v Speaker 1>later where you made him take the knockdown in front

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<v Speaker 1>of the whole world, how do you reflect on that

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<v Speaker 1>fight and what the heck happened? Do you feel like

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<v Speaker 1>you were robbed?

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<v Speaker 2>For sure?

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<v Speaker 3>It's exactly how you you know, how you described it though,

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<v Speaker 3>that's exactly how I feel. I mean, it's it's it

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<v Speaker 3>was in plain sight. So it's sad. It's sad that

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<v Speaker 3>you know, boxing comes to situations as such and it

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't go the right way like it's supposed to.

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<v Speaker 2>This is that wasn't the first time, and it probably

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<v Speaker 2>won't be the last I had to say.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, it's just it's just, you know, spill

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<v Speaker 3>milk that I really can't cry over.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do definitely feel like I was robbed.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, I mean, watching the fight, I thought I

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<v Speaker 3>won without the knockdown being counted as well.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, everything's subjective, right, that.

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<v Speaker 1>Is very true. But one of the things that really

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<v Speaker 1>irritated me about it, and I don't have I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have a dog in the fight. I was you know,

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<v Speaker 1>looking forward to seeing you guys put on a highly competitive,

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<v Speaker 1>good interesting fight. But what irritated me was that they

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<v Speaker 1>put replay in place for the commission to examine these instances.

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<v Speaker 1>That was obviously the perfect example to view the replay

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<v Speaker 1>of what occurred when he went down on the knee.

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<v Speaker 1>After the fact, the Commission in New York recognized that

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<v Speaker 1>it was a knockdown, but said because of their technical

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<v Speaker 1>issues that they were having supposedly with the production truck. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>exactly that they people will some people will see the

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<v Speaker 1>video of this, others will hear the video you are

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<v Speaker 1>given the supposedly the quote marks ye, so that they

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<v Speaker 1>recognized it. But because it wasn't able to be viewed

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<v Speaker 1>by the replay official within the time frame during the fight,

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<v Speaker 1>they couldn't suddenly post fight award you the extra point

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<v Speaker 1>give you the win because they didn't know how the

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<v Speaker 1>final three rounds would have played out. You know, if

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<v Speaker 1>everybody knew there had been a knockdown. What is your

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<v Speaker 1>thought about that aspect of it?

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<v Speaker 3>My thought is just, you know, they definitely dropped the rock,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think, uh, it's I just I just think

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<v Speaker 3>it's a little shady, that's all.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a great word. That's a great word for it.

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<v Speaker 2>I just I just I definitely just think it's a

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<v Speaker 2>little shady.

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<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of things come in the factor

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<v Speaker 3>when you have a superstar and such who brings uh,

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<v Speaker 3>how do you say it value to a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people involved with the event and maybe the potential next event.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's it's just it's just a little shaky, that's all.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how I feel.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you mentioned about the next event. So it was

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<v Speaker 1>a good fight. Some controversy. Boxing never helped sell a rematch. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he exercises right to a rematch, so we

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<v Speaker 1>all thought that would happen. First they talked, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he said right away, you want to get right back

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<v Speaker 1>and during as quickly as possible. Obviously you did. Also

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<v Speaker 1>they talked about doing it in June. Then it was

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to take place in August, and then a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff went on. He ended up pulling out of

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<v Speaker 1>the fight to take what was going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>far more lucrative exhibition fight, not even a real fight

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<v Speaker 1>against Jake Paul. I guess somebody, allegedly nobody can really

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<v Speaker 1>argue if you're taking a huge payday, I suppose. But

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<v Speaker 1>how did you feel about basically getting strung along post

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<v Speaker 1>the first fight in February for him saying we'll do

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<v Speaker 1>it this way, you'll do it, then he'll take accept

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<v Speaker 1>the rematch, and then he belled on you kind of

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<v Speaker 1>left you high and dry.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he definitely did.

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<v Speaker 3>That's dirty business and that's what contracts and stuff I'll

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<v Speaker 3>put into play for.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, if if I was a guy who

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<v Speaker 2>was super pressed.

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<v Speaker 3>For you know, money or anything like that, you know

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<v Speaker 3>you can easily go to arbitration.

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<v Speaker 2>That didn't take place.

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<v Speaker 1>That as you decided you didn't want to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just coming to a point where you know that's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be strong along too. It's gonna be a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of bs, and nobody wants to go through more

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<v Speaker 3>bs than he already. You know what I'm saying that

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<v Speaker 3>he already put me in or put me through. We

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<v Speaker 3>already knew that the fight was kind of in limbo

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<v Speaker 3>as we were in camp, so it was just really

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<v Speaker 3>pissing me off, honestly. But you know, once we came

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<v Speaker 3>to terms with they are pretty much aren't going to fight,

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<v Speaker 3>it was just like, all right, where do we go

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<v Speaker 3>from here, but we always been working since to find

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<v Speaker 3>the next to do so, so we always knew that

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<v Speaker 3>we were going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Fight this year when you when you heard he was

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<v Speaker 1>taking the Jake Paul fight, and they went through their

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<v Speaker 1>press tour, and then we all know what happened about

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<v Speaker 1>the lawsuit from a girl, an ex girl friend, that

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<v Speaker 1>alleged yet another case of domestic violence committed by Tank Davis.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously we'll go through the process with that, uh, But

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<v Speaker 1>he ended up getting dropped from the fight, so he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't get a what would have been still a lucrative

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<v Speaker 1>payday and a rematch against you. He doesn't get perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>an even more lucrative situation with Jake Paul and isn't

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<v Speaker 1>fighting at all. What is your thought about that? It

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<v Speaker 1>seems to me like karma maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't have any thoughts.

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever happened happened, doesn't have anything to do with me anymore. So,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I wish the best to anybody who is

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<v Speaker 3>involved in that, you know, that situation with MVP, with

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the other side, whatever the case may be, however,

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<v Speaker 3>they move on. They better figure it out. But I

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<v Speaker 3>don't have any thoughts about it. I don't have anything

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<v Speaker 3>to focus on. But Pitbull cruise December six.

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<v Speaker 1>Well down down the road, whatever happens, would you like

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<v Speaker 1>to maybe see Tank again just to settle that score.

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<v Speaker 2>I doubt it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just off the simple fact that he wouldn't, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>rematch me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the proof is in the put in. If

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<v Speaker 2>you look at everything at face value, it probably doesn't happen.

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<v Speaker 1>So that would get to Pitbull. So I have to

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<v Speaker 1>say I was a little surprised that Pitbull and his

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<v Speaker 1>team took this fight. You are not a big name.

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<v Speaker 1>You're certainly a bigger name than you were before you

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<v Speaker 1>fought Tank Davis. Uh and put on an excellent performance

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<v Speaker 1>in that fight. Were you surprised that they called your

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<v Speaker 1>name and decided to then ask to fight you?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh, surprise, No, because people kind of always been an option,

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<v Speaker 4>Like I'm pretty sure they were knowing of it, Like now,

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<v Speaker 4>surprise that they say, yes, Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe a little bit okay, but but.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, uh, surprised that you know, I'm saying that

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<v Speaker 3>they that they were aware, and because we were aware,

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<v Speaker 3>we've been aware, so you know, he was always on

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<v Speaker 3>the list of what can happen next.

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<v Speaker 1>But they picked they picked you out and I sort

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<v Speaker 1>of anyway, my take was view you as as the

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<v Speaker 1>favorite and him as the underdog. Your five foot seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>five foot four. He's always a smaller guy, but you

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<v Speaker 1>obviously are going to be much bigger than him. You're

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<v Speaker 1>obviously a very consummate bock.

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<v Speaker 2>Sir.

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<v Speaker 1>You have excellent defense, You're fast. Uh, you've we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about it before the Tank fight, how good of a

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<v Speaker 1>chin you have, and you certainly showed that against a

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<v Speaker 1>big puncher like Tank Davis. How do you approach him then?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you have to be warried from him? I

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<v Speaker 1>already know what he has to be warried from you.

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<v Speaker 1>You know you have to be.

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<v Speaker 3>Worried of, you know, just his powerful punching wide looping shots.

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<v Speaker 3>There's not a list of things that you have to

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<v Speaker 3>look for. There's things that he does well and that

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<v Speaker 3>he makes work for him. But that's that's his plan A,

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<v Speaker 3>B and C. So, uh, if the if the shots,

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<v Speaker 3>if the big looping shots don't work for him, where's

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<v Speaker 3>he going to go?

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<v Speaker 2>Like? What is he going to do? If the relentless

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<v Speaker 2>pressure doesn't work for him? What is he going to do?

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<v Speaker 3>So, you know, I have multiple avenues to win this fight,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'll explode them all night until you know, either

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<v Speaker 3>the bell rings or he falls.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the way the way you just put it, I

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<v Speaker 1>was what I was sort of thinking, like, he has

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<v Speaker 1>one way to win, which is a good way, but

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<v Speaker 1>that Lamont Roach had probably three or four ways.

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<v Speaker 2>To win for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, one thing about this. You still are the

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<v Speaker 1>WBA Junior Lightweight World Champion. You defended that title once,

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<v Speaker 1>but in your next fight you moved up and took

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<v Speaker 1>the challenge to fight for the lightweight belt against Tank Davis.

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<v Speaker 1>Now in your next fight after that, you're moving up

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<v Speaker 1>yet again tow one hundred and forty pounds to take

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<v Speaker 1>on Pitbull Cruise for his interim belt. So I wonder,

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<v Speaker 1>does this mean that you are done with one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and thirty pounds or is it still in the back

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<v Speaker 1>of your mind that someday you might go back down

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<v Speaker 1>and defend it, or I don't know how much longer

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<v Speaker 1>the WBA would even allow you to hold it after

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<v Speaker 1>all this time without defending it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think so, It's in the back of my

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<v Speaker 3>mind for sure. It's just look at so be realistic.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at the platform that I'm on, look at the.

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<v Speaker 2>Caliber fighter that I'm taking on.

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<v Speaker 3>If there's anything similar or bigger than a Pitbull fight

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<v Speaker 3>at one for the super Lightweight Interim Championship at one thirty,

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<v Speaker 3>then then there's a conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not a matter if you can't make the

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<v Speaker 1>weight anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Some guys would say, yeah, no, no, no, no no no,

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<v Speaker 3>I can make the weight for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>So you and Pitball should be a good fight. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, pretty good matchup. It seemed to me

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<v Speaker 1>you're in a great fight city like San Antonio. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you've worked it out where you're making like

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty good purse for this and you are fighting

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<v Speaker 1>for the interim belt. But I always think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't fighters want to fight for real belts like the

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<v Speaker 1>main titles?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh for sure, definitely, And I think me securing this

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<v Speaker 2>one would. I'm because I'm different.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to press the fact that I'm the intern chap.

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<v Speaker 3>This puts me because even on the wbc UH ranking chart,

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<v Speaker 3>there's champion, Intern Champion, then number one contender. If I'm

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<v Speaker 3>over that number one contender, I'm pressing Subrill Matias or

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<v Speaker 3>the winner of Dulton Smith and subreal Matias to fight

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<v Speaker 3>the next fight literally.

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<v Speaker 1>So that brings in to my to my uh, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess my last question is that if you are going

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<v Speaker 1>to stay a one hundred forty pounds, if you beat

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<v Speaker 1>Pittbull Cruise or even if you don't beat pit Bull Cruise, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's a really good division right now, you'll be there.

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<v Speaker 1>Pitbull is there. Tthymo Lopez is the lineal champion, he's

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<v Speaker 1>the WBO champion. He's probably fighting Shaquor Stevenson, who was

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<v Speaker 1>an excellent lightweight champion who's coming up in wait. Probably

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<v Speaker 1>for that fight. You got Richardson Hitchins, a very talented fighter.

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<v Speaker 1>You mentioned of course Sybrill Matias, who you'd be on

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<v Speaker 1>course for in the WBC. You know your Washington brother

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<v Speaker 1>Gary Antewin Russell has one of the as the WBA belt.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you feel about the weather than Mattias, because

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<v Speaker 1>that's the one you would be probably steered towards based

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<v Speaker 1>on the organization. How do you kind of feel about

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<v Speaker 1>the wealth of talent there? And in particular, you know

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't get to do the rematch with Tank, who's

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<v Speaker 1>your DMV guy. You know all from DC and from Baltimore.

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<v Speaker 1>Russell is like a big time All DC championship showdown, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, I love that fight. I actually if people don't know. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>So the options that were presented to me by PBC

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<v Speaker 3>were people Gary Russell Jr. Gabriel floor Is, and somebody else.

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<v Speaker 3>I told I told them no to.

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<v Speaker 2>Gabe. I told him no to Gary Russell Jr.

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<v Speaker 3>Because what the hell has he done in the last

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<v Speaker 3>four years And why does he think he did? Why

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<v Speaker 3>would I gift him a title shot in his second

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<v Speaker 3>fight back in four.

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<v Speaker 2>Years and one third And and it would have they

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<v Speaker 2>said thirty five. That's weird, but you know, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>it wouldn't have been a title shot exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's like being disrespectful like woon wom It's not

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<v Speaker 3>gonna work like that. No, SORRYO scooed over, and I

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<v Speaker 3>told him we obviously we said yes the people cruise,

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<v Speaker 3>but we countered and it's like, let us fight Gary

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<v Speaker 3>and swine Russell. That was that was my first option

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<v Speaker 3>me personally, that was my first option. I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>scratch those and asked Gary Antoine Russell, does he want

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<v Speaker 3>to fight yes or no?

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<v Speaker 2>Straight up?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the answer was no, and you guys all

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<v Speaker 1>know each other from you know, being running in the

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<v Speaker 1>DC circles. I assume, yeah, so if you win, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the unification you can will give him a reason to

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<v Speaker 1>maybe fight you.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm I mean, because he actually said that too,

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<v Speaker 3>and I am from a champion standpoint. I understand he

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<v Speaker 3>said that all fort at one thirty. I haven't done

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<v Speaker 3>anything at one Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that. But after I make some noise here,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not trying to hear that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you'll be You'll be on roughly the same schedule

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<v Speaker 1>you're fighting Kickball in December. On the sixth of you win,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll have that interim delp you know, he will have

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<v Speaker 1>a fight. I assume they're going to reschedule him on

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<v Speaker 1>the Jake Paul event that was postponed. He was supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to defending his mandatory against Arioka. Uh maybe we'll see it.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the meantime, it's Pitbull Cruise December sixth a

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<v Speaker 1>PBC on Prime Video Pay Review in San Antonio. Laman,

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<v Speaker 1>I thank you very much for your time and I

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<v Speaker 1>wish you good luck in this fight.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, my god.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it.