Speaker 1: This is Jeff Johnson from a film by podcast and
for the Dearly Departed flow. Hymen, you're listening. You're listening
to this Surely you Can't Be Serious podcasts. I had
it locked and he's got to laugh at at me.
Speaker 2: Okay, ladies and gentlemen. Here at the Sureley You Can't
Be Serious Podcast. We try to stay a political but
there is an important event coming up and you guys
really have to know what our stance is on this,
and we're going to give it to you later on
in this podcast. But this is a decision that everybody
should make. It's very important and even though normally we
stay political, we have to take a stance on this.
We need you to decide by the end of this
episode do you love Nickelback or do you hate them?
Speaker 3: Going on and.
Speaker 2: Hello everybody, we are back with the Shirley You Can't
Be Serious Podcast, Here to talk about Nickelback. On our
Are They Worth the Hate series, we have covered Billie
Vanilli and on that one we decided they were not
worth the hate. We will be covering Creed next week's right,
asking the big question are they worth the hate? Nickelback
was the number two spot for the most hated bands,
according to Rolling Stone.
Speaker 1: I don't want to show my cards, but that is
absolutely ludicrous, dye.
Speaker 2: Okay, So if you are joining us for this podcast,
and you know you're not just your standard fan. Even
if you are just our standard fan, you are probably
one of three things. You are either someone who loathes Nickelback,
or you like them a lot, or you're on the fence.
Maybe you haven't really given it much thought, but you
really don't know why everybody hates Nickelback, and so you're
here to find that out. And so whatever camp you're
in on that one, let me just ask you a question. Okay,
are you a follower or do you listen to music
with an open mind and make decisions for yourself? Yes,
Because if you're among the group of people hate Nickelback,
you might be somebody who says something like when asked
the question why do you hate them, you might be
somebody who says something like, well, because they're formulaic or
because they're vacuous. Right, So clue number one. You said
they're formulaic. Can you name me a band that's not formulaic?
I mean ac DC, Yeah, every hugely formula completely formulae
Bon Jovi, Motley, cru Black and Beyond, Metallica very formulaic,
but their songs are incredible, right, Okay, tell me what
the formula is that they're following him. It's so freaking easy.
Why aren't you going and making millions of dollars playing music?
Speaker 1: Hey, that formula sold fifty million albums.
Speaker 2: D Then the next one, vacuum? Did you just pull
out the dictionary for that one?
Speaker 1: If you ever listened to Doctor Phil Good, for example,
there's a couple of songs on there there are about
nothing but strippers.
Speaker 2: Are the songs meaningless? Yes? Are some of them less
than meaningless. I could pull a handful of songs by
Nickelback and say, compare these to all of the Van
Halen songs written from nineteen seventy eight to nineteen eighty four,
and you tell me which is more vacuous. David Lee
Roth was deliberately vacuous in the lyrics that he would
write to those songs. These are not reasons to hate
the band. You don't like them personally, Yeah, Hey, they
got into some trouble here and there. What frickin' band
do you know that didn't have somebody get in trouble. Okay,
so I guess I've tipped my hand as well. Obviously
we have a concern about this, but we do need
to listen to this with an open mind. I don't
love Taylor Swift, but there's a handful of songs that
I've listened to and I'm like, oh, this is good.
I like this song.
Speaker 1: You can listen to her music and go I understand
why she's very popular.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, she has found something that people like, and Nickelback
found something that people liked, and because so many people
liked it, they became hated.
Speaker 1: That's ridiculous. Chad Kroger sat down and dissected popular songs
and said, why is this song popular? What can I
learn from it? How can I make my songs better
from it? And it worked like a friggin charm and
people hate him for that. That's ludicrous.
Speaker 2: So, guys, we're going to jump into basically what we're
calling the ten songs that you got to know by
Nickelback that you got to look at and go is
this worthy of the hate? We're going to go chronologically
from the earliest to the most recent that we have picked.
Speaker 1: They came out when we had young kids, and you know,
radio was starting to become less important to me, and
I wasn't watching MTV. I had little kid. I mean,
what were we doing. I told you and Amanda Janic
that I might be the president of the Nicoback Fan
Club of Norman, Oklahoma after going through.
Speaker 2: These Yeah, this band, just as a brief overview. They
are from a tiny little town in Canada called Hannah,
population about twenty three hundred people, teeny tiny and it's flat.
I'm already with these guys because we live in Oklahoma, right.
These guys were born in the seventies, just like us.
They're putting together a little high school band in the
early nineties, trying their best to get some shows, playing
cover songs of Led Zeppelin and Metallica. That's exactly what
I was doing in the early nineties. That's exactly what
I was doing. These guys could be you, Yeah, they could.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you my buddy Cameron Cameron Accord Patreon. Remember
he's from Alberta. I texted him the other day, I said,
have you ever been to Hannah? And he said no?
And I said why on? He's like, I would have
no reason to go there.
Speaker 2: There's not yeah. Like they talked about how it was
awful when you broke a guitar string because there was
nowhere to go to buy new guitar strings. You had
to go find somebody else who played a guitar and say, please, can't.
I'll give you five bucks for an e Just give
me an Eastream please. They said it was so flat
that you could watch your dog run away for a
couple weeks.
Speaker 1: Did you watch the documentary on Netflix?
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: Yes, It's fantastic, Okay, I totally enjoyed it. I thought
it was a lot of fun. These are guys that
we could hang out talk movies and music with.
Speaker 2: They put out a couple of albums and they weren't successful.
Speaker 1: That's right, they were initially they were not.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, even after they got signed
by a very small record label. Roadrunner is the name
of the record label. Their biggest name was Typo Negative.
Do you remember Typo Negative? I do too. They were
never huge, right, And if that's the biggest guy you got,
that's not much.
Speaker 1: Let's camp out there for a second. Because if you're
a heavy metal label, your peers aren't these heavy metal
bands and your nickelback you're not going to be popular
with the other crazy, heavy metal, insane guys.
Speaker 2: I mean, there may have been a few guys that
had some issues with them, but as the owner of
the record label put it, it was like, guys, these
guys are keeping the lights on forces right, but they weren't. Initially,
they had an album that did very badly. As a
matter of fact, they lost money. The record label lost
a lot of money. Had they been on a major label,
they would have been cut loose and we never would
have heard from them again. But they said, hey, guys,
it's okay, We're going to do one more album, and
this one just needs to be a hit. Don't make
some money, go go give us something that's a hit.
And on that album there was a little song that
we're about to jump into right now.
Speaker 1: Okay, So that album that you talked about was actually
their third album. That album is called Silver Side Up.
The song is how You Remind Me.
Speaker 4: Never made it as a wise man. I couldn't cut
in as a poor man stealing it. I oft living
like a blind man. I'm six, simone out of sense.
Speaker 3: Some fealing in.
Speaker 4: This is album You Remind Me, This is You Remind Me?
Speaker 3: Really okay.
Speaker 1: This song was released July seventeenth, two thousand and one.
It reached number one on the Hot one hundred and
was the lead single for their third album, Silver Side Up.
That album was released September eleventh, two thousand and one.
I don't know if you remember, but there's a little
something big that happened on that day, right, and a
lot of people tie this song kind of with the
memories of the World Trade Center disaster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so this song is considered their signature song.
Rock Chad Kroger is writing this song, right, and he's
just at his house. He's just got an acoustic guitar.
He starts kind of figuring it out, new linen out,
and he goes over to their lead guitarist house, Ryan Peak,
and he says, Hey, Ryan, I'm gonna play this for you.
Tell me if it sucks or not. That's it, right,
And so he starts playing it and Ryan is like, yeah, no,
that's yeah, that's that's pretty good. Ryan's wife is up
in their loft and she's like, that's a hit. That's
a hit right there. Ye, she called it.
Speaker 1: She I mean, we say a hit. I mean it's
the most played song from two thousand and one to
two thousand and nine streamed over one point two million times.
Speaker 2: In two thousand and two, the rumor is there was
not a second of the entire year that this song
was not playing on some radio stations somewhere. Mine. Sorry,
I mean, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: It was an escapable.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: And I asked our buddy deaf Dave if he's ever
heard this song. Tony Stark was sick of hearing this
song in the Afghanistan caves. Dave had never heard. Okay, hey,
I'm the genesis of this song, though, so he did
go to Peak's house to play it for him. The
genesis was he was talking to his girlfriend. They got
it an argument. He goes downstairs and he's like, he's
so pissed. He cranks up his amp. He's like, I'm
gonna work on music because I'm pissed at my girlfriend.
And he had the four lines to this song already
written down in a book and he thought those were
those were really good, and so he's like, Okay, I'm
gonna use that in this song. And then also I'm
gonna scream. It's not like you to say sorry. And
he's like shooting missiles upstairs to let her know how
unhappy he is. She says, what was that you were
working on down there? And he's like, nothing, just song
I was working on. She's like it was awesome. I
loved it, So there you go.
Speaker 2: Well he never made it as a wise man. This
is basically like a sarcastic vengeful If you've ever been
with someone or known someone who just can't ever just
apologize for anything, this is so this is the song
for them. It's not like you to say sorry and
then you just get mad to be around him. And
are we haven't fun yet? Are? It's sarcasm? Right? Are
we haven't fun?
Speaker 1: This sarcasm?
Speaker 2: But the chord progression in the song it's relatively simple,
it's not complex, but it's good. It's great and the
dynamics of the song are incredible.
Speaker 3: This is you make.
Speaker 5: Me, This is you.
Speaker 3: You're sorry.
Speaker 2: One of our guys sent us a meme on this, say,
what do they call the TikTok the reel or something
one of those? Right, and it's it's it's this guy
in his car, But like, this is what happens when
you pull up to somebody who's blair and nickelback, and
he's he's like looking out, shaking his head, putting his
thumbs down, you know, until it hits that chorus, and
all of a sudden, he's banging his head and he's singing,
singing along to the song, because that's what you do
to this song.
Speaker 1: That's it, man, that's it. By the way, I got
a little trivia nugget for you. I love the idea
that this is the number one most played song on
the radio in the first decade of the two thousands, right,
one point two million times? Do you know the number
two not a clear the song Drops of Jupiter by.
Speaker 5: Train the Way You Love Him?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that one. That one was everywhere all
the time. My wife and I were dating in the
year two thousand and one, started dating and got married
in the same year, and that song was there all
the time, and yeah, it was a lot.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love that song too. I'm a
sucker for these. Billboard ranked it as the number one
song of that decade and the number four alternative rock song.
It was brought in as a last second addition to
that album and ended up being their signature song forever.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So they went from Hey record label. We're really
sorry you spent all this money and we didn't make
any for you too. Hey, guys, we're gonna have to
We're gonna have to do a world tour. And they're like,
I'm sorry, what a world tour? Like? You're going to Australia,
you're going to Africa, you're going to Europe. What do
you guys want? And they're like, what do you mean?
What do we want? They're like, what do you want
on the stage. You've made enough money to pay for
whatever you want and you're going to make more. What
do you want?
Speaker 1: They want a bathroom, they can play baseball.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, the king size bed big enough for ten
plus me. That's right. So Chad Kroger, you know, he's
been accused of being a frat guy. Not remotely is
he the guy at all, But he's he's a guy
who likes to drink beer and have fun like a
fat guy would. And so do I write so? But
he was he was like, what do you mean? What
do I want? And they're like, you can just you know,
tell us what. He was like, I want explosions, I
want fire, I want a gigantic TV that everybody can
see like he's literally he's like, I want to be
a rock star, and that is exactly what they did.
And since that day, no matter how much everybody seems
to quote unquote hate them, they've been filling up arenas
over and over and over. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've got a trivia question for you, and I gave
this to you the other day, but I just am
so in love with it I have to share it
with our audience. Okay, Yeah, hit me, So, how you
remind me? Hit number one on the Billboard Hot one hundred. Yes,
that is the sixth total Canadian band hit number one
on the American Billboard Top one hundred, sixth total.
Speaker 2: Okay, oh, okay, So but there was something that came after. Yes,
they're the fifth chronologically. Yes, okay, all right, so let
me try to remember I because I guessed a couple
of these he did. Yeah. I said it had to
be a band, right, Brian Adams was off the table.
Speaker 1: That's right, got to be a band.
Speaker 2: Okay, And without giving away too much, I know that
one of the bands is Sheriff.
Speaker 1: That's right. When I'm with You from nineteen eighty nine
Patreon episode on it.
Speaker 2: And it was a big secret at that point, but
I guess we've just given it away. Guys. By the way,
if you want to go listen to some of our
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the community. Man, just hit us up. We love talking
to people, right yep? Okay, And I remember talking during
that episode that I because I remember that the other
band Aachman Turner Overdrug.
Speaker 1: That's right. And the name of the song is you
Ain't Seen Nothing Yet, Oh.
Speaker 2: Of course four. By the way song, do you know
that song was written as a joke. No, yeah, so
you Ain't Seen Nothing like how he stutters through it.
He was making fun of his brother and his brother
had a stutter. They do this joke song as a
way to make fun of him. Had no intention to
release it, and then the record label hears it and
they're like, this is a hit, guys, and they're like, no,
this is a joke, and they're like, no, this is
a hit, and they're like, well, let's record it without
the stutter. They did it without the stutter, and it
was like, yeah, it's not as good, put the stutter
back in.
Speaker 1: But bah bah baby, Wow, that's cool.
Speaker 2: There you go. Okay, okay, and then there's one more.
I can't remember who it is. Who's the third one
that was.
Speaker 1: Well, so you got American Woman by the Guests Who
nineteen seventy.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: You ain't seen nothing yet by Bto in seventy four,
when I'm with You by Sheriff in eighty nine, One
Week by the Bare Naked Ladies in nineteen ninety eight. Nice,
and then a song called Rude by Magic in twenty fourteen,
which I've never heard of. So this song has been
covered by Avril Levine.
Speaker 2: Who they were married, right, they.
Speaker 1: Were marriage and Chad Kroger were married.
Speaker 2: At one point and that I think is the only
time he's been married. No kids.
Speaker 1: They were married for a couple of years.
Speaker 2: Yeah it didn't work out, Okay. I love talking about
this song. This is obviously the song that broke them.
But we got to keep on going. Let's real quick
hit one that's not a Nickelback song but basically is,
and that is the song from the Spider Man soundtrack
by Chad Kroger called hero.
Speaker 3: I Can you hear Him?
Speaker 2: So for me, this is the song that I could
not get enough of. I mean this one. I was
just like, this is such a fantastic song, just played
it over and over. Any chance I got, I would
play this song. So this one, as I said, was
for the Spider Man soundtrack. The unfortunate release date of
Silverside Up spider Man. The trailer had this scene in
it where Spider Man is like, basically I think saving
a helicopter from crashing, and so he spins webs between
the twin towers to catch the helicopter to save it.
But then of course we had nine to eleven happened
and they're like, oh, we got to cut that out.
But it's yeah, just two times that the September or
eleventh attacks have played a factor in these Nickelback songs.
Speaker 1: This song was so big that summer of two thousand
and two, my son went as Spider Man, little guy
like one year old, dressed up and I made a
little video and I put it to this song. This
song peaked at number three July thirteenth of two thousand
and two.
Speaker 2: I want to know what the two songs are.
Speaker 1: You can tell me if you've even recognized these. So
number two is Without Me by Eminem Sure, I don't
know that one. And number one is Hot in Here
by Nelly.
Speaker 2: Nope.
Speaker 1: But we knew this song loud and clear.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: The cool thing to me is this is a collaboration.
This is not Nickelback like you said. This is Chad
Kroger and Josie Scott, who is the lead singer of
a band called Saliva. And I saw Josie Scott talking
about they were on the same tour together and like
Saliva had opened for Nickelback, and Chad Kroger is like, hey,
I've got some ideas. I thought maybe you and I
could kind of work on a song together. And Jose
Sctt's like, yeah, man, let's do this. And Jose Scott
said he played that first line like I am so
high I can hear heaven. He said he got chills,
like right off the bat. He's like, this guy is
an amazing songwriter. He's killing it right off the bat.
This reached number one on the Modern Rock chart number
one on the mainstream chart. It was Grammy nominated. It
won the two thousand and two MTV Music Award for
Best Video for a Film. To Me, this is the
song of the Summer of two thousand and two. Love
It Okay?
Speaker 2: Moving on next song now.
Speaker 1: This is off their next album called The Long Road,
which was released in two thousand and three, and that
song is called Someday.
Speaker 3: Hold will you wind up like this? Why weren't we
able to see the signs that way? Messed It said,
let's say this. I wish you I'm planching.
Speaker 1: Mass another banger.
Speaker 2: Man. Yeah, I mean the lyrics on this one. You
just take a little time just to look at these lyrics.
They're well written lyrics. I don't know how anybody, says
Vacuus who has actually looked at the lyrics that they've written.
I mean, this is a intense moment. The girl is
ready to walk out on him, and he says, I
wish you would unclinch your fists and put your suitcase back.
I don't want you to go. This is a heartfelt thing. No, man,
right now, I just don't get it.
Speaker 1: These guys have a knack of writing catchy, lighter rock songs.
Speaker 2: Give def Leppard if you tuned in to find out why,
like you didn't never understand it. Like I can't tell
you how many people that I've polled in the last
couple of weeks where I've been like, hey, how do
you feel about Nickelback? And most of the time the
answer is yeah, I mean they're okay. I never really
understood the hate. Well, I'm about to explain it to
you this. So we said that the song came out,
this one right here, Someday came out in two thousand
and three.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: There was another event that occurred in two thousand and three,
which is probably the reason for the hate. This goes
back to a comedian named Brian Poyce. He was a
guy who was on The Mister Show with Bob and David.
Heavier guy wore glasses, and he was on a Comedy
Central show with Colin Quinn. All right, and he does
what I would say is they're talking about whether the
violent lyrics in songs actually promote real violence, and his
joke is, I don't want to talk about the violent lyrics.
I want to just talk about bad music that makes
you want to be violent. He's like, Nickelback songs make
me want to be violent towards Nickelback, Right, And that's it.
That's the joke. Pretty innocuous, kind of a chuckle and
throw it away. Here's the problem. Comedy Central chowse that
little clip as part of the promo for that TV show,
and they ran it for the next six months. No
one talks about the studies that show that bad music
makes people violent, like Nickelback makes me want to kill Nickelback.
Two thousand and three is when the Internet starts exploding
because it's just in your ear. You don't even really
realize why, but it's in your ear for six months.
People are taken to the Internet to say whatever they
want to say now because it's open for them. It
becomes a trend off of this one stupid little joke
that was a throwaway, but because it happened to be
part of an advertisement that ran for six solid months,
it got on everybody's ear and everybody jumped on the bandwagon.
Speaker 1: This is the equivalent of Lars throwing a dart at
Kip Winger's face in the Metallica video.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like all of.
Speaker 1: A sudden, everybody in the world is like, I hate Winger, right,
wait a minute, five minutes ago, you love Winger.
Speaker 2: There's this theory or syndrome called the tall poppy syndrome.
It's not big in the US, but it's pretty well
known in Canada and Australia. The idea is poppies, they're
growing a big plant, but that some of them will
grow taller than the rest. Okay, and to keep the
plant looking good, you chop the heads off of the
ones that have grown too tall. And this idea is
sometimes things become so popular that people want to find
a reason to chop them down. And we're talking about
a band that the year before was on every second
of the entire year. Of course the response is going
to be, let's cut those guys down down, let's make
some stuff up, let's make some hate. And it caught
on and I saw an interview with the guy and
they're like, you hate Nickelback and he's like yeah, and
he goes why and he goes same reason everybody else does,
because the Internet told us too, And that's it. That
is the reason that everybody hates is because it became
a viral hate and let me just tell you, guys,
if you jumped on that bandwagon, you jumped in with
the bullies. Okay, these guys have children that faced hate
in their schools from other kids because they were kids
of the guys in this band. These Chad Kroger, because
he's the face of the band, would walk down the
street and have people roll down the window to say
fuck you, your band sucks. That song Signed was on all
the time, and I grew to hate it. But I
would never cuss at the members of Ace of base Right.
I mean, that's just ludicrous. If you don't like it,
don't listen to it. But why would you jump on
this bullying bandwagon that is spewing hate and violence towards
these guys. We're just writing songs that people.
Speaker 1: I watched the documentary. These guys are cool dudes. I
think they're all a lot of fun to hang out with,
and they make fun, catchy, pump your fist arena rock songs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So what's our next fun pump your
fist arena rock song?
Speaker 1: Okay, this is not a pump your fist song, huh,
but this might be one of the best songs of
the first decade of the two thousands.
Speaker 2: Oh, you're saying, these guys have variety in their music.
They're not only an arena rock band. They actually have
different types of songs.
Speaker 1: This song blows my socks. It is a top ten
song for me the first decade of the two thousand.
That song is called Photograph.
Speaker 2: Sorry, we covered that one back in Season one. Everybody,
if you'd like to go check out the Pyromania album.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, and I love that song too.
So let's play this one Photograph by Nicoback.
Speaker 3: Look at this photograph having someone. It makes me laugh
at it as get solid. What the hell is on?
Julie said, this is where I grew up. I'm big
the president. I want to fix it up. I never
knew he ever went out the second.
Speaker 1: I'm better stop it. We're gonna listen to the whole song.
Speaker 2: It's hard to turn it off. The song, just you
just said, it keeps leveling up and leveling up.
Speaker 1: It's one of those rare songs where the verses are
great enough to catch me. The chorus tackles me and
puts me in jail, and then at the end of
the song, as it's trailing out you have this wonderful
like I love this town, I love this place. It
affects me emotionally. Yeah, I absolutely love this one. This
is my favorite nicobaccent.
Speaker 2: Oh fantastic. So this is in the Vein of Glory
Days by Bruce Springsteen. Summer sixty nine by Brian Adams.
This is about what it was like when we were kids.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 2: What I love is that it's literally about his life.
If you go through the lyrics, it says criminal record
says I broke in twice, must have done it half
a dozen times. Chad Kroger was on the verge of
going to jail for a long time before he figured
out how to get out of that town and make
some music. Fourteen, he had multiple breaking and enterings. He
got caught breaking into his school, and he was like,
I didn't even like to go to school. Why would
I have broken into it? But it's this sweet I
remember those good old days, even though they were not
that great, still good old days. I remember the great things.
This band was not always called Nickelback.
Speaker 1: Before you go and tell us the history of the band,
I've got the story on what's on Joey's head. Okay, Right,
so I heard Chad Kruger say he came up with
the line look at this photograph, and he's like, what
photograph am I thinking of when I'm writing these lyrics?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: And he's like, you know, the photograph that always makes
me laugh is the one from New Year's Eve a
few years ago with their producer, Joey moy. He's like,
we were so hammered and it was New Year's Eve
and we were having a great time and he had
this giant like wine chiller thing on his head. He
said it looked like the Stanley cup. And you take
photos and later you're like, what the what were we
doing there? Man? I mean, that's good. So that's the
answer to the question what was on Joey's head? Yeah,
the giant wine chiller. It looks like a Stanley cup.
Speaker 2: So this band starts off in Little Hannah Alberta, Mike Krueger,
Chad Krueger, and Ryan and on the drums they've got
their cousin, Brandon Krueger.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: And I think Chad had to go live with Brandon
for a while because of all of the criminal problems
that he was having. Yes, but the band at that
time was called Village Idiot, right, and they had a
different lead singer. Ultimately, Brandon leaves the band later on,
just decides, Hey, this touring thing isn't for me this,
you know. A couple of years later before they really
hit right, they have another drummer that is from Hannah
that plays with them, and he does. He's on their
first few albums. But then okay, Brandon Krueger was their cousin.
He was playing drums on their first couple of albums,
which weren't record label albums, right, This was Heysher and
Curb right, and then he was like, hey, guys, I
just the band life is not for me. I want
to go do something else. And then they get a
guy named Mitch Gwindon who played songs on the State,
which was what they did in nineteen ninety eight that album.
He didn't get credited though, right, but he's just another
local guy. But again, just didn't feel like he was
right for the band. I'm telling you all this to
tell you that just a few years ago he calls
them up and he's like, hey, guys, you know, I
know that the likelihood that you're actually gonna do this
is low, but I just thought, maybe you like to
come back to hannah hometown and play but not as
nickelback as village idiot, and they.
Speaker 1: Said, yes, I love it.
Speaker 2: They all came back. I mean, they're running into their
high school friends and it's the first time they've been
back in forever. And Chad Krueger is like, yeah, I
used to break into that window right up there. That's
how I would get into this house. When they play
all of the old cover songs that they used to
play when they were a village idiot for the community
to help raise money for charity.
Speaker 1: Over there, I absolutely love that.
Speaker 2: It's fantastic.
Speaker 1: And you know, everybody comes from somewhere. Yeah, and they
are in the you know, Canadian Music Hall of Fame now,
all right, and they're from little bitty Hannah.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine if I was in that crowd if
they played the song photograph, I don't know that there
could have been a dry in the house. Absolutely, the
nature of the song and then being back after becoming
so big and being gone so many years, it would
have it would have moved anybody to tears.
Speaker 1: Especially when you close with I love this town, I
love these faces. That whole thing just hits my heart absolutely.
By the way, this song hit number two on the
Billboard Hot one hundred. Number one was gold Digger by
Kanye West and Jamie Bucks. I do think it's interesting
Ryan Peak. When Chad Krueger brought this song to Ryan Peak,
Ryan Peak was the one who said, I think the
chorus needs to be the bridge, and the bridge needs
to be the chorus. And that's sort of the magic.
Speaker 2: That happened that made this song great, fantastic.
Speaker 1: In October of twenty nineteen, Donald Trump tweeted a bit
that used this song. I don't know what the tweet
was about, right, but Chad thought it was hilarious, right.
He thought it was a scream that Trump is using
his song for some tweet that goes viral on the internet.
He said, because of that tweet alone, the song Photograph
was played an additional seven hundred million times, laughing all
the way to the bank.
Speaker 2: That's an interesting idea, right there. You know, we've talked
about other bands like Twisted Sister, who have said to
certain political figures, hey, I don't want you to use
my song. You know. Don Henley famously has said, noe,
please stop using my song, right and so it's interesting
to me that the bands do this. Now. I get
it if you've got this really strong political stance, but
I mean, these guys are from Canada. What do they care?
But the idea that they're so widely hated. Mike Krueger
has gone so far as to say, guys, we need
to embrace this hate because it's given us legs for
the last twenty years. He's right. I mean the album
that I grew to love because we're doing this episode
and because I was like, well, I guess I should
listen to Nickelback and see if they're any good. The
one that I grew to love came out in two
thousand and eight. Like they've been going a long time,
and they've had albums. I mean, they had an album
a year or two ago, but I don't know any
of the songs that have come out in the last
ten years. But the fact that they've got all of
this hate number one, it keeps their names in people's mouths,
just like that viral video from Trump did, and causes
people to go download their music seven hundred million times,
And it also creates a reaction for all of those
folks who do like them they're like, hey, screw you, guys,
and this is really what this is really what rock
and roll is all about. If you're not hated at
least a little bit, you're not really a rock band.
Speaker 1: I posted a meme on our Facebook page two days ago.
That's a picture of Chad Kruger holding up and it says,
look at this photograph. Huh And it was the Northern
Lights that everybody was working pictures.
Speaker 2: That doesn't happen to Candlebox, No, you know what I mean,
does not Yeah, or the Meat Puppets. That's right, by
the way, guys, go check out our Best of nineteen
ninety four episode that we pulled out a few weeks ago.
Ready to move on to the next song, where we
got next song list?
Speaker 1: So the next song was the second single released from
all the right reasons. That song is called Animals.
Speaker 2: So here's the arena rock fist pumping anthem that I
was looking for.
Speaker 1: Absolutely this is about you and your girlfriend doing it
like animals.
Speaker 2: Well, we've heard a few bands do that exactly. I
think that's actually the lyrics of one of those animal
songs I believe Ruined five.
Speaker 1: There you go. Anyway, fun song, right, this is a
concert song.
Speaker 3: Don't Know that you are missing.
Speaker 1: They showed some footage of the documentary and people are dancing, singing, partying,
having a good time. And I guarantee there are babies
made after Nickelback comes to town. Without a doubt, But.
Speaker 2: This song escaped my listening, Like They've got a huge
catalog and I'm just trying to prep for this thing.
I missed this one. I know that they use this
to open up shows because everybody loves this song. They
like banging their heads and pumping their fists and does
it sound like a great hard rock song? Yes.
Speaker 1: I loved how in the documentary they were talking about
how they've gotten big enough where each guy can have
their own tour bus, right, And so Ryan Peek he's
got his dog, his wife, his little boy, and they
have the little family bush. Chad has the party bus.
Even Mike Krueger is like, I can't go on Chad's
bus because I like being.
Speaker 2: Married, right, right, right, that's right? Yeah, his Mike and Chad,
I mean, obviously they grew up together. And so Mike
is the older brother. He's a couple years older than Chad, right,
And he was always the guy who was protecting Chad.
Chad is the if there was trouble to be made,
he was making it. Kid and Mike is that rule follower, right.
He's a great dad, wants to stay married, wants to
have that very normal life in addition to being a
guy who is an arena packing rock star. Sure at
some point he's like, Chad, you know, before they're famous,
He's like, why do you keep doing this? Like why
do you keep breaking the rules? And Chad is like, listen, man,
I just got to tell you there's no amount of
trouble I can get in that I can't talk myself
out of. And so that kind of mentality led to
a guy who was a great front man for a
band that wants to be super successful. What being able
to bs your way through situations get you is things
you might not get if you just follow the rules,
and that's what they needed to make their big hit. So,
for example, their first album they financed by asking other
people for money. It was a thirty thousand dollars venture
and they didn't have thirty grand Chad literally says to
Ryan Peak, He's like, hey, man, your parents have the
capacity to loan thiss money and I can tell you
we're gonna make it. We are gonna be a success.
The writing is on the wall.
Speaker 1: It was not right right.
Speaker 2: I mean, that album wasn't success success. The next album
wasn't a success, The next one on a record label
was not a success. Like he was bsing his way
through it, and he kept bsing long enough until ultimately.
Speaker 1: He was right, Hey, I gotta tell you while we're
right here. Yeah, how did they get the name Nickelback?
Speaker 2: So this is the nineties, so of course you know
one in five guys works at Starbucks. Well, one of
those guys was my Krueger, and so you know what
was coffee? It's four dollars and ninety five cents. Somebody
to give him a five and you go, thanks, here's
your Nickelback.
Speaker 1: One of the biggest bands ever. And the guy's making change,
giving people nickels.
Speaker 2: That's Starbucks.
Speaker 4: Hey.
Speaker 1: You know one of the moments in the documentary that
really touched my heart is that they didn't have great
dad figures in their lives, right, And one weekend it
was supposed to be time with Dad and Dad doesn't
show and Mike has fallen apart the seams, and mom
says to Mike, I don't know why you're so upset.
He's not even your real dad anyway. Yeah, and it
was like record scratch, what right? What a terrible time
to tell your children the truth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she said it, you know, she was just like,
I did not handle that situation right. I made a mistake.
It was a terrible thing to do, and I regret
it to this day. Yeah. But here's the rest of
that story. Number One, the guy that he thought was
his dad, I mean, he never really was around that much.
He was kind of a ne'er do well as well,
right at the racetrack, like putting the horses in and
stuff like that. Ultimately, Mike was like, hey, I'm going
to try to figure out who my real dad is.
And this has just been in the last few years.
This event occurred when there are kids. He finally basically
tracked down who his dad was. The sad part of
the story was the guy had just passed away the
year before, so he never got to meet him. Okay,
but he now has a new brother and a new sister,
and new cousins and new family members that have welcomed
him in and become He's found a new family and
it's really kind of this bittersweet result of this whole thing.
And the guy who was Chad's dad, right, who Mike
thought was his dad. They're about to go on out
on their first to like we've got this rickety old van.
We're going to go from place to place in Alberta.
Speaker 1: Right, that's right, and five hours to the next gas
station boys.
Speaker 2: And Chad is like, man, I wish I just I
just wish I had a decent guitar and decent amp.
You know, it's just kind of not good. And his dad,
I mean, they're at a bar and his dad's like,
what kind of guitar? If you could pick your guitar,
what kind of guitar would it be? And what kind
of amp would it be? Chad tells him. He's like okay,
and how much would that cost? And he's like like
four thousand dollars. I mean it's a lot. And his
dad starts going around at the bar to all of
his friends and he's like, hey, my kid needs money
for a guitar, and an amp helped me out, makes
the rounds in the bar, comes back and sets down
four thousand dollars. I can tell you that having A
good guitar and a good amp is an absolute difference
maker for being a successful live band. If you've got
crappy equipment, people will not like to listen to you.
It made or broken the band in that situation. I
love it.
Speaker 1: I love it. By the way, we talked about how
they toured and all these little ratty places around Canada.
They went to one place in bamf which is.
Speaker 2: You know, bam baff. Here we are in bam bamf.
Speaker 1: Is on my bucket list. I would absolutely love to
go there. They went to play this gig. Not one
scene person showed up.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and if you as the band, if people
don't show up, you don't get paid.
Speaker 3: Jeez.
Speaker 1: They kept going Yeah. Next song, yep. Next song is
called far Away.
Speaker 3: This time this please bexcused.
Speaker 2: So here's a song for the Makeout List of two
thousand and six.
Speaker 1: Release January twenty third, two thousand and six. This peak's
at number eight in two thousand and six, the number
one song that week. I actually recognized sexy Back by
Justin Timberlake.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: This was their fourth top ten single, and it's about
loving somebody no matter what. I was talking to our
buddy Jeff Johnson, who claims to not be a Nickelback fan,
called though I'm hoping to change his mind. He is
a fan of certain songs but wants them to kind
of stay in their lane.
Speaker 2: That was kind of his complaint. Well, here's let me
just say this on that note. Yeah, I haven't met
anybody who says I hate Nickelback other than Amanda Janic,
and Amanda Janic after watching the documentary, was like, Okay,
I kind of want to have a beer with Chad Krueger,
Like even she would even the needle move for her. Now,
I don't think that she's turning up any of their songs,
but I don't think she hates them anymore. And other
than her, I've never met somebody who outright says I
hate them. Right, it's just the Internet.
Speaker 1: After watching the documentary, you realize the adversity that these
guys have endured. Number one for being the whipping boy
publicly on the internet, for being a bad rock band
which they are not, having bad songs, which they don't.
And then you see things like Mike Krueger had a stroke, yeah,
and I had to learn to walk again, yeah, And
then their longtime drummer Daniel Adair develops this neurological disorder
in his arm and it's like frozen shoulder. He can't
play the drums anything.
Speaker 2: This story made me tear up. I want to tell
this the story. This is during COVID. You don't know
when they're going to play next, right, But he's trying
to stay in shape, but his arm is he says,
it's like granted, like he's doing everything he can, but
his arm just locks and won't do anything. And he's like,
I can't. I can't be a drummer. And so ultimately
he talks to his wife and he's like, I just
have to quit. I have to quit the band. I
can't hold him back. And so he sends an email
and just is like, hey, guys, you know I can't
do it anymore. I'm sorry, I have to quit. Send right,
and he's like within five minutes, the phone is ringing
and his wife answers the phone and she's like it's
chat and he's like, just tell him I'll call him back, right.
So he gets control of himself, goes and sits in
the car, calls him on the cell phone and he's
like hey, and she has like anybody.
Speaker 4: Did.
Speaker 2: And then he's like, this guy is he was their
fourth drummer, right, and he came from three doors down.
Speaker 1: He left three doors down, left.
Speaker 2: Three doors down at this very kind of critical moment
when they were not really that big of a band,
and decided to go with them. But because he wasn't
an original guy, didn't go to high school with these guys,
he always kind of felt like not a full member
of the band. And they all love him, you know,
they talk about how crazy is and how funny is.
But he's just like, you know, they've got stories that
are just their stories. Those guys went to high school together,
and so I always just was like, you know, I
feel like slightly like an outsider. But he's having this
conversation with Chad and he's like Chad is like, listen, buddy,
we have money. Let's figure out what's wrong. We'll figure
out who the best person is to treat whatever it
is that you have, and we'll get you taken care of.
But you know, it's so much. And he's like, yeah,
but we want you in the band, We want you,
we want you.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: Man, broke my heart. It's like, oh, these are good guys,
even the most reckless wild member of the band is
a decent guy with a good heart.
Speaker 1: Yes, love it. Let's turn to maybe the most fun
song we're gonna talk about. Okay, this song is called
rock Star.
Speaker 4: Was standing in line the clubs of never Again. It's
like the bottom of the nine that I'm never on
a win. This five hasn't turned out quite the way.
Speaker 3: To what you want.
Speaker 4: I want a brand new sound of an episode of
Crams and a bathroom I can play basebowl in and
a gang size time begging nine.
Speaker 3: Ten plus me.
Speaker 2: Okay, So this was the nickelback song that I've always loved,
like the first time that I heard it. Up until
this moment right here, I have loved it. And because
we've been covering this band, and because I've been listening
to their various songs, this song I've sung in my
head more times in the last two weeks than ever
before because it is a friggin' earworm. Like you, you
can't stop singing it once you know these words, right, fantastic.
But this may be part two of why this is
a hated band.
Speaker 4: Interesting bab might even got mine and change my name
goes God want me bag Rockstarnhill, Time Bosses, Driving fifteen Cows.
Speaker 6: The Girl's Gun and the Drugs Gun, Sheep, Wlast Day's
Skinny as we just wanting Well.
Speaker 1: So, the interesting thing about this song is that it
was released originally in two thousand and six and did
basically nothing. It was released without a video, but the
record label is like, you know what, that's a great song.
We need to give it a second line.
Speaker 4: Hey, I want to be a rockstar.
Speaker 3: I want to be a rockstar.
Speaker 1: So they re released it in two thousand and seven
with a killer video full of celebrity lip sinkers and
random people on the streets and random people on the street,
and it becomes a number six hit on the Hot
one hundred. Yeah, listen to this list of celebrities that's
in this video. Freaking So you've got Billy Gibbons from
zz Top who also is featured singing if you can.
Speaker 2: Call it that, the little deep voice parts.
Speaker 1: Tell me what you want.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: By the way, he's supposed to be the voice of
the devil. Oh wow, Okay, that's what he's playing. I
want to be a rock star and.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, I was gonna say in the video, he's
sitting in front of like skulls and flames and stuff.
So yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 6: Ye.
Speaker 2: Right, so you've got tastefully done the skulls and things
in flames.
Speaker 1: But right, so Billy Gibbons from Zezi Top. You've got
UFC Fighter, Chuck the Iceman Liddell, he's got a guy
in a headlock, and it's really funny. You have Dale
Earnhardt Junior. You have Eliza Douschku, she's the little girl
from True Lies, Dana hang on to the Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: I knew you would know that one.
Speaker 1: You have Gene Simmons yep from Kiss.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You've got Grant Hill, world famous basketball player. You've got
Wayne Gretzky, nice Canada, mister Canada. You got Kendra Holly
and Bridget the Playboy Bunnies.
Speaker 2: That Eric, You've got a playboy bunny to spend my
money for me. That's it.
Speaker 1: You've got Kid Rock. You've got the guys from American Chopper.
You've got Ted Nugent. You've got Cynthia Taylor, Dominic Swain,
all these beautiful, great successful people. And then you've got
people out the street singer rockstar.
Speaker 2: I love the video people just lip syncing the song.
Did the band even show up and for this video? Like,
are they in it at all? I don't know if
they are all right. So the reason that this is
part two of why they're a hated band is because
they licensed this song to a furniture company okay in
the UK. And I don't know if it was before
they did the video release and the song became big
like it's second release. I don't know if it was
in that stage or if it was after it. But
if you watch this furniture video, I mean, it's cheesy.
It's like low grade, low quality commercial. People are lip
singing the song, playing a lamp as an air guitar,
and jumping up and down on the furniture and it's
a lame commercial. And these guys are one of the
most popular bands in the world and they're licensing their
song to this And it was just this idea that
they're just they'll sell their songs to whoever wants to
buy them. Okay, have I introduced you guys to Bonjovi yet?
Because they literally said they will hoore themselves out for anything, right,
But I'm wondering if maybe it was in that in
between stage where they're like, well, you know, we thought
this was a great song, but it didn't really do much,
and so hey, if they like it they want to
use it, sure, why not maybe? And then it turned
to bite them because everybody's like, see, they're just sellouts.
Speaker 1: This is such a fun song. And I heard them
talking about how they have released thirty three singles so far. Well,
you can't play thirty three songs in concert, but you
can't not play rock Star. This is a song that
they have to play every time they're in concert.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the big Rocks bosses dropping fifteen.
Speaker 6: Cows, the Girl's County and the drugs count Cheap, the
Last Day's Skinny as We're.
Speaker 3: Just wanting and well and the cool is bos and
the bey me with the move do every good gold
dig is gone.
Speaker 2: And for those folks who you jumped on that bandwagon
to say, you know, look at them selling their music
to a dumb little furniture company in the UK. I
would like to quote the Lawyer from the documentary. I
love the Lawyer man, like he's a character. He's got
long hair and it's kind of heavy and just you know,
he looks like a rock and roll lawyer, but I
think that's by design. He's me as a rock and
roll lawyer, right, Like he's a small town attorney. He
reminded me of Doc McGee a little bit, except that
he's not big. This guy is nothing except for nickelback,
and he was with them before they were big. He's
just trying to help them, Like they came to him
because they had a contract and they wanted it to
make sure they didn't get screwed cheap, and he was cheap, right, right,
So he's talking about he's continued to help them out
throughout this whole process. But they struggled a lot. You know.
They were riding in a van that looked like it
was going to break down, and they were going to
these tiny clubs where nobody would show up, and they
were paying for their first CD with money they borrowed
from their parents. I mean, they're gutting it out. And
he's this guy. Just imagine him, right, like long, gray haired,
kind of stubbly faced guy, right, and he's like everybody
pulled together as a team and sort of moved the
ball down the field. So to those of you who
see the band as some big corporate sell out.
Speaker 1: You Okay, d So let's talk about the seventh and
final single from all the right reasons. This song is
called side of a Bullet.
Speaker 3: Shoot me Aler on the.
Speaker 2: Okay, So we're going to talk about guys you like
this band even though everybody else hates them, right, Yeah.
And one of the guys that likes this band is
a guy named Vinni Paul. He was one of the
founders of a band called Pantera. And if you haven't
heard of Pantera, then you are either not from Oklahoma,
Texas or Louisiana, which is where they grew to mild
fame before they hit the big scene. But they are
a heavy metal band and almost assuredly, even if you
haven't heard of Pantera, you've heard of the other founder
of the band, Diamond Bag DARRYL Abbott, Yes, tragically December eighth,
two thousand and four, almost exactly twenty years dime Bag
Daryl and his brother Vinny Paul had formed a new
band and they were playing a show and a guy
named Nathan Gale, who had been he'd been in the military,
was kind of a ne'er. Dwell had some mental issues.
Ultimately got discharged from the military because he was diagnosed
with paranoid schizophrenia. Tragically, his mental health went significantly downhill
after that, and for reasons that are still not completely clear.
One night, December eighth, two thousand and four, he went
to this new band's concert called Damage Plan, got up
on stage and used the nine millimeter to shoot Dimebag
Daryl in the head multiple times, ended up killing at
least three people there before he was ultimately shot by
a police officer who responded to a nine to one
one call. Impressive time too, Like three minutes after the
nine one one call, he's there and he took this
guy out, this Nathan Gaale out, And this was devastating
to the rock and roll community. Dine Bag Daryl was
a hero to many guitarists out there. He is an
incredible guitarist himself, and he was also a hero for
the guys from Nickelback, But it was them who dine Bag.
Darrell's brother, Vinnie Paul said, I want you guys to
have a guitar solo that he had recorded that had
never been released. I want you to have it and
you use it in your song. That's the tribute to
dine Back Daryl, and that's this song side of a Bullet.
Speaker 1: They actually invited Vinnie Paul to play drums on this album,
but Vinnie's like, man, there's nothing that I could do
that Daniel can do. Yeah, But I do love the
idea that they were allowed to sort of pill for
the library and piece together this guitar solo that dine
Back Darrel played, Yeah, And I love the fact that
these guys are friends, right, the Pantera guys are friends
with the Nickelback guys. I heard Chad Krueger say that
the guy in the limo one time and the Pantera
guys were listening to Christina Aguilera, and he's like, what
do you guys do it? And they're like, we just
love all types of music.
Speaker 2: I listened to Richard Marx talk about how Hysteria was
like he pulled the album and he went to his
producer and he's like, I want my next album to
sound like this, and would blatantly steal ideas from that album.
And then later after his album came out, Phil Collin
is like, hey, you should come over the studio. We're
putting together a new album. He comes over and he
sees his CD. He sees the Richard Mark CD there
and he's like, oh, okay, guys, thanks, thanks for just
planning my CD, like you listen to me and they're like, no,
we love how this sounds. We're totally like stealing your
ideas right now. So literally he stole from def Leppard,
who then stole back from him on the album that
he stole them from.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: And Cliff Burton I saw an article before he passed
where he was listening to the police. You wouldn't expect
the guys from this thrash metal band to be listening
to the police. But guys, people who love music and
musicians love music. They listen to all types of music.
They're always looking for something that is good and just
because it's popular doesn't mean.
Speaker 1: It's bad, right, That's right. This reach number seven on
the Mainstream Rock chart. This was only released to US
rock stations and it became their fourth top ten hit.
Speaker 2: From All the Right Reasons. Fantastic great song, tragic story,
but what a what a tribute. Awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Next song song called if today was your Last day?
Speaker 3: My best friend game the best and he said he
stays a game.
Speaker 4: Then again and ride be no Stone and turn leave your.
Speaker 3: Fings be at pad.
Speaker 2: So this is the This is the first song off
of what has become in the last few weeks my
favorite Nickelback album right right.
Speaker 1: This album is called dark Horse, released in two thousand
and eight.
Speaker 3: You have said it was your last day. It's a
motto to say good bys today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So because Spotify wants to make me happy, right
it says, oh, hey, you liked this song. And I'm
listening to a lot of Nickelback songs trying to get
familiar with things before we have this episode. As I
work out in the mornings, I've got this Andy's workout
playlist that I'll play, and I have it where it
suggests a song every three songs, and they were very
happy to suggest a lot of Nickelback song and I
would be like, oh, crap, dang, this is good. I've
never heard this. And as I kept hearing these new
Nickelback songs, every single one of them was off this
dark Horse album and they're fantastic. The whole album is
full of bangers. But this is a good five years
into the let's jump on that. We hate Nickelback Bandwagon,
so I just didn't hear him as much. Rolling Stone
flat out said, we will not publish any Nickelback positive articles.
Screw them, man, Like a guy that works for him
listened to the album, had intelligent, good things to say
about the album, and brought his review to the editorial
staff and they said, no, we're not publishing this. It's like, why,
what's wrong with it? And they're like, we do not
publish songs that put a positive spin on Knickelback. What
Stone has just lost several cool points in my book
for that kind of attitude. That is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Right, by the way, I called you the other day,
I'm like, okay, do you've told me that you love
this album and that there's a banger after banger after banger.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I said, do you know who the producer of
Dark Horse is?
Speaker 2: And I did not know, and I was.
Speaker 1: Pleased to tell you that it is Robert John Mutt Langah.
Heck yeah, Mutt Lange, No wonder. That's so good, right.
Speaker 2: They brought him out of retirement to produce this album.
That's incredible, I know.
Speaker 1: And you told me a funny story along with that.
Speaker 2: Well, so so they they hit him up. You know,
he's he's stopped producing album.
Speaker 1: He's a trillion dollars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's he's done enough, right, And I'm
wandering through the grocery store picking out groceries when you
called me back on this one. I don't know how
many people heard me tell you this story in the
Walmart frozen food aisle. Okay, But they call him up
and they're like, hey, we want you to produce. He's like, okay,
you guys come out here. So they fly out to Switzerland, right,
and they're at his place recording songs, and Chad said,
we got about three songs done and then we had
to go. So you know who mut Lang married, right?
Speaker 1: He married Shania Twain.
Speaker 2: Right, Shania Twain, whose real name is Eileen. It's not
Senanuel Clemens, as John Ray told this, which was the
best joke I've ever heard. But no, her name is
Eileen and there and they're like, there was some trouble
with Eileen going on, right, So I called you up.
I said, do you know when that dark Horse album
came out? He said two thousand and eight? And I said,
do you know what else happened in two thousand and eight?
You know, I don't know they did something with mut Lang.
I'm like May of two thousand and eight, it was
announced that he and Shanaya Eileen, come on, Eileen, we're
having a little trouble because he was having a little
bit of a relationship with her best friend, Yes, and
she kicked him out of the house. Like he's there
are three songs into this album, and he's like, how
about we go to your house? And so they fly
back across the Atlantic Ocean to go and he lived
with them for like seven months to finish this album up.
So this album was produced by Mutt Lang at the
point that everything was falling apart with Eileen.
Speaker 1: Hi, guys, I'm calling you from my car which has
a hammer through the windshield right now. That's hilarious.
Speaker 2: By the way. Shanaia nearly sixty years old, looking good,
Still looking good.
Speaker 1: By the way. The song reached number nine on the
Hot one hundred. This is another top ten hit. Next
song on the album, there's a song called Burnet to
the Ground.
Speaker 2: This is definitely one that found its way into the
workout playlist. This is freaking awesome. You want to talk
about vacuous lyrics, Yes, these are vacuous lyrics. Can I
tell you about a song called girls girls, girls, Can
I tell you about a song called pour some Sugar
on Me? Can I tell you about a song called Panama?
Or Hot for Teacher? Or slide it in any of
these songs? But heck, do they kick some ass?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: They do, and so does this.
Speaker 1: This song was featured on the Transformers Revenge of the
Fallen soundtrack. And if you ever went to a Kansas
City Royals game, Colorado Rockies, Baltimore Orioles, Cincinnati Bengals, Dallas Cowboys,
Steetle Seahawks, New York Islander, Chicago Blackhawks, or saw the
movie Date Night, you heard this song.
Speaker 2: So there are some people out there that still like Nicolbodd.
Speaker 1: Absolutely there are. This was the third most played song
at sporting events in the two thousand and nine twenty
ten range. Can you name the number one one?
Speaker 2: It's got to be Hurricane by Scorpions.
Speaker 1: It's we Will Rock You. Of course, I do like
what Buddy Joey Moi, who was the original producer said
about the song. When he heard the first version of
the song, he said, I don't know, guys, it doesn't
make me want to pump my fist in the ear
and crack open a beer. So they kept working on it.
Finally Joey said, now I want to crack open a beer.
Now I want to party with my buddies. Now I
want to crank the song. And now it's doing all
that I thought this song should do. Great song.
Speaker 2: Oh it's a rocker is yeah, it's this is a
song to crack a beer and have fun with your
buddies with one hundred percent right, hop down, turn it up. Banger. Okay,
So there are no less than eight singles that come
off of this Star Cors album. Eat singles, eight singles.
I told you man full of bangers. I just I'm
not going to go into detail on these songs. I'm
just going to give you, Hey, this made it onto
the workout playlist. These are songs that will pump you
up and put more weight on the bar. All right, yeah, yeah,
So number one is something in your Mouth and let
me just let me just say this, let me just
say this. When I started listening to these guys, I
was like, if nobody else in the world can be
thankful for Nickelback, at least the strippers can be thankful
for Nickelback, because if it was not for Nickelback, they'd
still be dancing to Motley Crue and def Leppard.
Speaker 1: That's right, exactly right.
Speaker 2: And this this song Something in Your Mouth is definitely
one of those songs.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: So this song only made it up to ninety six
on the Hot one hundred, but was number one on
the mainstream rock charts. Okay, the other song, as I
said in the same vein, is called Shaken Hands. Yeah,
I mean this is another great stripper song, of course,
and you know what, the Shirley we Can Be Serious podcast,
we love our stripper. So this one made it up
to number eleven on the US Mainstream Rock and number
twenty four on the Hot Rock and Alternative Songs. And
so those are two amazing bangers off of this album
full of bangers. But we gotta keep going or we'll
never get done. That's it for dark Horse. Did you
have another song you wanted to talk about?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just had another one that really struck my
ear and I really enjoyed it, and so I wanted
to play it for everybody, kind of cap it off.
That song is a cover of Don Henley's Dirty Laundry.
Speaker 3: Living News, Just me something stinting news when you lose.
Speaker 2: So what a perfect song for this band. Cover number one,
I love the song, one of my favorite Don Henley
songs from the eighties. Absolutely loved it. Number two. Song
is very well about Nickelback, even though it's not kick
them when up, kick them when they're down. Yep, everybody
loves their dirty lune.
Speaker 1: Yes that is.
Speaker 2: This is almost like a dece So it's perfect that
they're playing this song that almost defines the media reaction
to them as a band.
Speaker 1: It's so fun.
Speaker 6: I love it.
Speaker 1: By the way, just one little nugget on the original version,
Don Henley reached number three in the Hot one hundred.
It was blocked by a man eater and the girl
is mine.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 1: I love that song so d That wraps up our
coverage of Nickelback, and I will tell you that before
we started this matchup between Nickelback and Creed, I had
already spiked the football, I had done the post game
press conference, and I had showered and was on my way. Okay,
I am here to tell you that that was premature,
and I'm anxious to tell you what my final judgment
is next week.
Speaker 2: When you're saying Nickelback versus Creed, Nickelback versus Creed because
you're a huge Creed Creed fan.
Speaker 1: I started off as a huge Creed fan. Yes, okay, yea,
I am a huge Creed fan.
Speaker 2: Okay. So next week come back for that episode where
we'll talk about whether Creed is worth the hate or not.
I had their CDs, I enjoyed them, I know the stuff.
But you'll have to tune in next week to find
out whether they're deserving of all of the hate that
they get. As I said, they were the number one spot,
nudged out Nickelback for the most hated band, so it'll
be fun to dive in and see whether they are
worth the hate or not. Thank you so much for this.
We can't tell how much we appreciate your support. We
see you next week.