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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasi goos, I am Dan Valley coming

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at you with the one, the only, this certified fantabulous

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Grant Hughes, it is time for another Hardwood Knox trade

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deadline primer ronto the Memphis Grizzlies. Nothing going on with

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this team whatsoever, so this should be quick and easy,

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just to bowl through before we get started and get

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to their trade deadline vitals. Grant, how the heck are

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you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well. I was very excited to read the

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news that John Morant, while overseas in Europe has defected.

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Kind of like how Russian athletes would would like get

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Russian NHL athletes would get spirited away when they came

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to America. Ja, Morant's not coming back. How do you

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think the Grizzlies feel about that?

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Speaker 1: Did they get anything? Did they get more than Corey

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Kispert and CJ McCollum in return for his defection?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that the jury's out. No, that

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didn't happen. I'm trying a new bit where I make

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up a news them just in as a way to

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Speaker 1: Also going pretty well. The Memphis Grizzlies trade deadline vitals,

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so they are fifteen point nine million dollars beneath the

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luxury tax. They control all their own first round picks

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moving forward. They were also this year. This is complicated,

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but I believe you have it right. They will get

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the two most favorable twenty twenty six first between their own,

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Orlando's and Phoenixes. They also have a twenty twenty nine

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swap with Orlando. It is top two protected, it turns

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into Orlando's twenty twenty nine second if it's not exercised.

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They also have two thousand and thirty swap rights where

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they can take their own pick and swap it with

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the less favorable of Phoenix or Washington's if it ends

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up being better, and they are getting a twenty thirty

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first round pick from the Magic as well as part

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of that Desmond Bane trade grant. I think we start here.

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Sorry? What is John Morant's trade value? How does this

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end go? Aside from the possibility of him defecting, So

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that's that happened.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what you mean about those, Subert. This

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is like the core question, and it's it's gonna be

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really hard not to let this spiral into a larger

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discussion about the shifting value trade wise of certain player

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types in the league, because there's another player we may

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talk about that's fairly high profile on this team, who

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is seemingly less available, but also maybe should be available.

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I would say Morant's trade value should be higher than

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Trey Young's fame well, even that, I don't know what

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you think about this, so I wouldn't be surprised if

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you disagreed. The reason I say that is just he's

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not technically a rental like Young probably is going to

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be because of that player option. He's younger. To me,

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there's some possibility that a change of scenery just gets

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you another year or two of the best version of Morant,

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who isn't a perfect player, but probably or at least

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arguably played at a higher level as high a level

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as Young did for a little bit there. So I

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think there's maybe a first in there, which there wasn't

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for Young. I don't think it's unprotected. I don't think

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it's a super high value pick. I just don't think

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the return for Moran should be expiring salary and like

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a rotation guy, the Corey Kisspert version that's just like, yeah,

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he's sort of helpful and is reasonably paid, but it's

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it can't I just I don't feel like it's just

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expiring money. I don't know, though, because what do you think?

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Trey or do you even want to use that as

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Speaker 1: No, I think that is the measure acetick, because what

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did we mentioned? It just felt like him, Trey and

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LaMelo were these distressed star guards that nobody want, and

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now that once and then Charlotte now is healthier and

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cooking on offense. LaMelo's faded from the speculation factory. I

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think standalone, John Moran probably gets you. If you set

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the over under at point five first round picks, I

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will take the over. If you set the over under

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at one point five first round picks, I'll take the under.

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could say this is a guy that felt like he

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could be a twenty five to ten guy, probably an

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underrated passer if you were say anything about his game

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is underappreciated. Okay, sure, he hasn't played in seven consecutive

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games since twenty twenty three. The off court stuff is

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the off court stuff, and has he had his revelatory

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moment of realizing that a lot of this is on him,

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just because some of the stuff about him not liking

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the head coach and just by the way the Grizzlies

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have not handled this perfectly. They insulated him for way

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too long and let wait, too many things fly under

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the radar. So this is not just a John Morant problem.

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But does he recognize the role he played in this

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descent into where we are now? And it doesn't to

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me just the reporting, we have no inside knowledge to it.

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I don't know that. Like the Trey Young stuff, I

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think he got it when you saw the report, Like

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the Wizards are Trey Young's favorite destination, and this was oh,

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Trey Young recognizes that the Wizards are Trey Young's only

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possible destination. John Morant wants to go to Miami. I

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don't know if he has the same and we don't

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know if Young has the same mindset. But I think

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if the Grizzlies get substantially more, which is reasonable to expect,

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just because like you mentioned, the contract, and it does

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feel like Atlanta has turned over its roster more in

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service of Trey Young and he's failed to play these

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different styles where you with John Morant it's well, we

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haven't really seen. Yeah, they tried to play a different

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style last year for sure, and then even this year

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a little bit. But maybe the change of that, maybe

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he needs a culture shock more than he does. Trey

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that he plays. But to wrap it up up, from

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my end, I really only think he nets a lot

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more because the Grizzlies might be more willing to take

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back longer term money than Atlanta clearly was when they

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manage Ray Yall.

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Speaker 2: No, it's it's the reason I hesitated on is is

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it going to be more or less than Young is like, yeah,

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I kind of blaid out some of the potential upsides.

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But like you're asking all these questions about his sort

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of like self awareness rhetorically, and to me, it's like

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it's not rhetorical. The answer, based on his behavior and

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what we've heard, is like, no, he I don't. I

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don't think he Based on what we've seen and heard,

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it does not seem to me like he's taken a

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ton of responsibility for his part in any of this

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that's gone on. So like that's that's the reason you

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would say no team is giving up anything of real

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value for him, because like, and I'm trying to be

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better about this, but like it's cognitively easier to keep

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four hundred and whatever NBA players straight in my head

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if I can occasionally just like write people off and

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be like, it's not gonna happen for him. And I

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want to do that with Morant because of the because

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of everything that's happened, right, I want to be like,

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it just be easier if I didn't have to hold

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out the like caveat of like change of scenery and

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like everybody matures and like second chance stuff, which like

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that's all viable, but but a large part of me

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wants to just be like, you can't trade for this guy.

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You're never gonna win. He's not getting better. The trend

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line is headed down forever athletically, like you know, impact wise,

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all that stuff. I don't know if I'm all the

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way there, but that's the reason I hesitated, And that's

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the reason why, Like if you'd go under your head,

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poor poor, poor, analogy to you is given the player,

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you would you would say, like is it gonna be

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over point five firsts? Like what team is doing that?

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what's the team out there that says we are absolutely

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comfortable giving up real value for John Moran because we

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think that it will work here, you know, And like

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that's a huge leap of faith.

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Speaker 1: By the way, to your self awareness point. If he

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wants Miami and he hasn't said it himself, so we

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can give him that grace. Does he not realize I

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know they're running more pick and rolls lately, but does

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he not realize that Laroche is there, that like the

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they are installing similar offensive principles there. But you want

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my is it just because you want to live in Miami?

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He reportedly bought a mansion there, So it's just But

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so I that's to yourself Warren's point. But looking at

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the teams, it's what is is it a team that's

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contending and just wouldn't have the chance to ever get

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chance to get this this theoretical player in any under

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any other circumstances other than his value has just been

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mutilated over the past few years, or is it a

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team that has less to lose its lower stakes And

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it's yeah, like we'll take it, Like Brooklyn, think a

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flyer on that you want salary? Sure, So before even

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like considering teams, what do you think is the better situation? Uh, like,

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what's the better type of team to take a chance?

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Speaker 2: So I wrote about this earlier this week, and it's

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aged poorly because they've continued to play well. But I

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cited the Clippers, and the reason I picked them is

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because I think the team that trades for Jah Morant

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has to be a team that doesn't have anything to lose.

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they drafted five guys that handle the ball just this

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past draft, and so like what you have to lose

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is their development if you bring Morant on and you

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put them in a huge role, like there's always something

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for a team to lose. And the Clippers stand out

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to me because like they don't control their own picks,

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they don't have any high end prospects. We all love

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Sanders and we all love Jordan Miller, but like, okay,

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come on, like he's John Morant's not going to get

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Speaker 1: Don't forge about Meeterhauser, come on.

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Speaker 2: Sure, different positions, it doesn't matter. And like how far

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are you going? You're not gonna make a playoff run

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built on James Harden and Kwhi Leonard, Like that ship

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has sailed as great as they've been when healthy this year,

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Like we just so the Clippers don't have anything to

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lose and and so that's the type of team that

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could justify trading something. Now we're still talking John Collins

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and Bugdanovic and like maybe some distant, not very valuable asset,

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you know, uh, players that he might get in the

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way of or poorly influence or siphon touches away from.

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It just needs to be a team like the Clippers

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that like after this year, like what's happening for you,

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other picks like you. So that's that's the type of team, like,

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you know, without getting too specific and just saying the Clippers,

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it needs to be a team that has decided we

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can the risk reward calculus works out because we're not

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really risking anything by taking a shot on Morant because

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the opportunity cost is zero because we got nothing going

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Speaker 1: When you frame it that way, it feels like the

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answer would need to be the Clippers or the Bucks. Sure, yeah,

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bad in Milwaukee that maybe just infusing John Morant. Okay,

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it just balances that, like makes your team better balanced,

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and then there's just not as much of a total

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workload on Giannis's shoulders.

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Speaker 2: I think it's got to be a team too where

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you're organizationally worried about losing significant fan interest like soon

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you know and morn if nothing.

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Speaker 1: Else was ten trade for him too, No, because they've

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got so much to lose.

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Speaker 2: They've they've got they've got too much to lose. They

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have young players that you care about.

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wouldn't be them ducking attacks like so many peop will

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. I can honestly say I've never once

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thought about Boston.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know if the money works. I think,

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what is John Morant making this year?

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Speaker 2: I think it's like forty two, and then I have

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it in front of me thirty nine, then forty two,

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then forty five.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you would need more money than Simon's and

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but you could do I think like Cloche would get

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you there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're close. Yeah, I mean it's a hard no

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for me. I was just kidding, like a hard no

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for the Celtics too. It's a real hard note for

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the Celtic Like can I just can't imagine that him?

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I would him and Joe Missoula, Like what's that conversation?

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Like can you imagine? How fun is that?

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Speaker 1: But that like it? But that type of a team too,

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they have a ton to lose. But it's you're not

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coming in under the guys if they need you to

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be a savior or that you're even their second best player. Yeah,

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and I guess with Milwaukee there would be that cash.

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We need you to be our second best player. You're

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the guy who's gonna help us keep you honest. The Clippers,

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it's probably lower stakes because he's what maybe he's their

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third best player behind Kawhi.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, when I mentioned them, I'm just kind of

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imagining the post Kawhi hardened version of the team, which

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might exist as soon as next year, where it's like,

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what are what are you saying? And the Clippers, again,

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I think two are a team that, like the Lakers

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got Luca, They're gonna swing big at some point. Here

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you're already your permanent second fiddle. But it's like you

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could really backslide in terms of like interest if you

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go post Harden in Kawhi and you have like nobody

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of interest, Like, oh oh they got cap space coming up?

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All right, good luck getting that second star if you

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don't have the first one already there. So maybe Moran

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in the one percent chance that like everything just flips

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and it's perfect. Oh, guys want to play with Moran

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Now our cap space matters more in a post Kawhi

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hardened world. I don't know. These are all like the

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longest of long shots, but like that's kind of what

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you're trafficking in if you're talking Morant destinations that make

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any sense.

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Speaker 1: Two other ones I've seen Minnesota thrown out there. I

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don't even know what that trade looks like, and I

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don't love the fit next time. I don't think any

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Edwards needs the ball out of his hands. They just

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need an alternative to in crunch time and then when

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he's not on the court. Yes, that's not Mike Conley

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or Bones Island or Rob Dillingham or Jalen Clark. So

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Morent can provide some of that, but I think that

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he would be too much of a Like he's not

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enough of an additive next to Anthony Edwards, and I like,

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what is the money you're sending out in that deal?

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Speaker 2: Well, and like he might even subtract from Edwards too,

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to your point, like he's not a name that gets

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I don't know why he's in my head, But like

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Norm Powell would help the Wolves like way more than

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Morent would, And that's independent of like the money or

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any of the other baggage stuff Like that's that's kind

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of more the type of player I think you're looking for.

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Speaker 1: Now you want to talk about low stakes. Why aren't

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the Kings being mentioned here? You could say, by the

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way you could there's like because if you're Memphis, the

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idea of like do you want to challenge trade? Is

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it Moran? And what to get Sabonis? I don't like

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you have Zach Edy, but he's not really like sa

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Bonus could play alongside Jared Jenators. Do you play alongside

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Edie or Sabonis? Or is it just do you even

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look at getting Zach Levine? He has one year left

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on his deal. It's a lot of money, It's more

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than he's worth at this point. But you get out

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of the Moran contract but still get someone who should

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inject offensive life. Like that, the Kings feel like an

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actual not because I don't know the resulting roster all

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of a sudden. Okay, so now you have Moran and

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de Rosen and Monk and Sbone. I don't know what,

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but you talk about that team's going nowhere and it's

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you do have some young players that you care about

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in Maxim Reno, uh Kiga, Murray Me Clifford Clifford, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: I My theory on that is the reason the Kings

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don't seem to be outwardly interested is because Scott Perry

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and the new decision makers in so far as anyone

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is a new decision maker when Vek is still in charge,

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realize that Morant is exactly the kind of move that

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like previous kings administrations would have been like absolutely, that's

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who we want. And so like we're not doing that.

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We know, we know how that'll be perceived. We're not

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doing it. And honestly, like that's not a great reason,

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because I think you're kind of right that, like, well,

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what do you what do you got going for you? Like,

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what what are you? What are you sacrificing if you

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go get Moran? So ironically, I think the King's past

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like stupid decisions are preventing them from making like a

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slightly less stupid one right now. Uh, And so because

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because otherwise they do make sense, Like I you know,

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he would people would be interested. I can tell you that,

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like people will talk themselves into him so fast, I

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can just already imagine it.

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Speaker 1: I'm honestly just surprised that Vivek has not already Yeah, really,

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well that shows.

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Speaker 2: You he's maybe gotten maybe he's only got one hand

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on the wheel for the moment and not.

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Speaker 1: Well, I do I do think that. I don't know

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if you saw that ESPN piece. I believe it was

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Anthony Slater wrote it, but it does seem like Scott

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Perry has a vision of the team he wants to build,

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which one Moran does not fit that vision. And then

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two it maybe it means, oh, the Kings are not

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looking for that slapstick solution like put it like we needed,

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like this needs to happen overnight. I hadn't thought about

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this team, but from a sheer just value play. If

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you don't have to give up any of your stars,

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would you do it? As the Warriors? You have the

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comminga money and then with buddy heel you're still about

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eight million bucks short, so can't be out have to

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be moody. So let's okay, you get what is it?

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What's the difference there? So that's about four million bucks?

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Could you talk Memphis into giving you Cam Spencer in

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that deal? Probably not, but maybe it's a three way

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trade with the Okay, hold on three way trade with

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the Kings to where So the Warriors are sending out

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kaminga moody buddy heal, they're getting back John Morant and

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Kean Ellis.

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Speaker 2: And the Warriors are not giving up a pick.

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Speaker 1: Do they need to don't.

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Speaker 2: Because done deal. If if it's just those twenty six

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pick I think even then you I would have to

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think about it because yeah, like I mean, the Warriors

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aren't that far from the type of thing I'm talking

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about with the Clippers, where it's like, once this is over,

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what do you got? Yeah, you got all your picks,

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but you're still at zero because there's no so Morant

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gives you that that vanishingly small chance of here's someone

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we could build a forty eight win team around, you know,

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for a couple of years, which might be preferable to

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it's a hard reset after Curry and Draymond and Butler

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and probably Steve Kerr are all gone after twenty seven.

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So maybe, but if you got to do more, which

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you wouldn't, you wouldn't have to give up like the

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twenty eight first or anything like. No, that's not going

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to be necessary.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's just totally And I say.

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Speaker 2: I really resent how you have in five minutes talked

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me into taking me from You can't have this guy

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on your team. You just can't do it too. Yeah,

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I'd probably take him. Good job by you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it I mean it would work too. I

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think it's a horrible fit with.

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Speaker 2: The current roster, right, like, but that's not really what

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you're concerned about.

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Speaker 1: No, so, and maybe that, but I I probably wouldn't

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want to give up the pick if I'm Golden State.

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But at the same time, it's just sort of like,

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I mean, maybe you just do it. Uh yeah, So

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this is so the three way construction I'm building it now.

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It worked John Moran and Kean Ellis to the Warriors,

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Moody Buddy Healed and Malik Monk to the Grizzlies, and

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the Kings get Jonathan Kaminga And if Warriors have to

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you said you'd I mean, could you send out seconds

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or something? Is I don't know who needs to be compensated,

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but I don't like Is that so from Memphis' perspective,

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Moody Healed, Monk is the is that the return you want?

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Who accept Moody Healed Monk and okay, a twenty twenty

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six Warriors first round pick.

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Speaker 2: You're getting You're adding basically three well Monks like a

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one to two Healds a straight two Moody the two

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mostly a two but kind of a two three.

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Speaker 1: Add Coward and Jayalen well Is just nice tidy wing rotation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I feel like if I'm Memphis, I

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you know what, maybe you can't do better than that.

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I mean, so Monk's contract goes out, but everyone's talking

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about like always overpaid. Like I don't know, I think

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he could play to that contract if he was on

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a decent team and in the right role. Moody's fine,

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properly paid. And then heals only guaranteed for three million

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next year, so like you you're saving money there. There's

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it's like at least some something resembling like salary relief

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in that.

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Speaker 1: And they do have they haven't played this season, but

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between Tyjerome, Scottie Pippen Junior, I guess you do have

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other ballhand and as well as Cam Spencer, but like

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there would be the the scoring ball handler vacuum there

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with Morant gone and which muzz.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's Monk's whole deal, Like that's what he's

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supposed to be there for.

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Speaker 1: This is we just found that'd be the most interesting.

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Speaker 2: You did that. You you don't put me in there,

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you pulled that on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now you're gonna sign all the blame to me,

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I think, needless to say that we don't think John

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Morant's values is very high so very quickly. Do you

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see any scenario where Memphis is just like, we're not

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gonna move him, that we're gonna hope that. I just

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the situation feels too far gone where I've I don't

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normally say this about stars, and if I do, it's

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the off season. Like part of me would be pretty

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shocked if you're honest, is in Milwaukee to start next year. Yeah,

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I would also be shocked if he's moved by the deadline.

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At the same time, with Morant, it feels like I'll

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be surprised if he's still on the Grizzlies on February sixth.

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Speaker 2: I lean that way too, just because what is the

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hypothetical where later you'll be able to get more for him,

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Because like, I don't feel like the situation is gonna change.

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I would imagine if he's on the team pass the deadline,

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he's just not playing anymore. Like they'll they'll they'll tray

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young it where it's at. Quad's really barkin or like

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that knee horness or whatever. Like, I don't see a

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way for him to rehabilitate his value this year. Maybe

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I'm wrong, but you know that's that's the reason you

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move him sooner. You just also just hanging over the team.

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Speaker 1: No you don't, and what are you gonna do? Send

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him away? And then that just makes it look even worse.

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And although might they be prepared, like could they just

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hope that a team, if you're gonna shut him down

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for the rest of the season, just gets desperate over

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the summer. Because I can't remember who was talking about this,

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might been Zach Lowe that there's now the theory floating

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around that they renegotiated extended Jared Jackson Junior, then he

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had surgery. We haven't seen Scottie Pippen Junior or tied

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to Rome as we're talking about this. Zach Heaty has

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been just so injured. Was Memphis like always set up

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to stealth they traded Desmond Bane and we were supposed

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to believe that they weren't ready to rebuild. Yeah, were

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they just stealthily already kind of throwing away this year?

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Speaker 2: That's interesting. It feels like a sort of but the

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but then yeah, I don't know, I kind of feels

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like there was just more bad luck occurrences than anything else.

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But but but now it's like, well, that's what you

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probably should do. I guess that's I hadn't really thought

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about that, But like the Baine trade is instructive, right,

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like you you had to squint pretty hard.

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Speaker 1: I actually too. Yeah, it was we called it. It

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was No, this isn't a reorient This isn't like a reorientation.

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This is a redirect. This was a complete redirect of

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their timeline.

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Speaker 2: And I think charitably you could say, like you just

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say yes to that, like you just because the return

473
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,759
was sufficient and you get more flexible and whatever. But

474
00:23:52,839 --> 00:23:55,240
you can't say we did that because we thought it

475
00:23:55,279 --> 00:23:57,160
made us better this year. So I mean that's just

476
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,279
to your point of like this this season may never

477
00:23:59,319 --> 00:24:02,240
have been about putting the best possible product on the floor.

478
00:24:02,279 --> 00:24:04,279
It may have been about like trying to do closer

479
00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:05,920
to the opposite. I think that's that's fair.

480
00:24:07,519 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 1: I can't believe we just traded Jonathan Kaminga and got

481
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,799
the Warriors. John Moran, Is that a character upgrade?

482
00:24:15,839 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: Probably not? Actually, Actually no, everybody seems the thing Jonathan

483
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,880
Kminga is that Okay, dude, he's just like unrealistic about

484
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:24,519
how good he is.

485
00:24:24,839 --> 00:24:27,039
Speaker 1: I would like to know Grizzlies fans, go on our

486
00:24:27,079 --> 00:24:31,319
discord or comment on YouTube if you're listening watching what

487
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,720
they actually think of that type of a return where

488
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,519
it's you're getting moody, healed monk and maybe a do

489
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,000
we just say the first round pick from.

490
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,279
Speaker 2: Which is gonna be yeah, fifteen to.

491
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 1: From my perspective, But I just don't know if I'm

492
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,279
so out of ran I'm just like, yeah, you do that.

493
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,640
I don't like yeah, maybe, I don't know.

494
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 2: We'll see. This is gonna be one of the most

495
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,160
fascinating subplots of because the tree Young thing was like,

496
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,279
I feel like the moment it happened, everybody's like, yeah,

497
00:24:56,279 --> 00:24:59,440
I get it. But Moran feels a little different somehow.

498
00:24:59,559 --> 00:25:02,880
So we'll this will we'll see, we'll see what that

499
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:03,799
return looks like.

500
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,799
Speaker 1: Another elephant in the room. Should they be shopping Jaron

501
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:12,200
Jackson Junior? And I do think that this is might

502
00:25:12,279 --> 00:25:15,480
be more of a larger conversation of because it's easy

503
00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:19,319
just to sit here and say, Jaron Jackson Junior is

504
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,240
going to be the basis around which they build everything

505
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,440
from here, okay, cool, Then you still need a best

506
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,599
player on your team, and this bleeds into then a

507
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,839
conversation about what are teams still willing to give up

508
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,000
for guys who are on these large deals but they

509
00:25:39,079 --> 00:25:42,039
can't be the best player on a title contender. And

510
00:25:42,079 --> 00:25:45,119
I realized that we're really shrinking, Well, was there ten

511
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,960
to fifteen guys? Maybe you could be the best player

512
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,079
on a title contender. That almost kind of feels like

513
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,480
the point I mentioned this to you off air. It

514
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,640
used to be, oh, can we afford to max out

515
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,039
our thoat? Like remember the bucks with Middleton and Drew

516
00:25:57,079 --> 00:25:59,519
Holliday and Giannest And now it feels like the conversation

517
00:25:59,599 --> 00:26:03,240
has shifted it upward to is our second guy a

518
00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:05,119
max player? And if he's not, what is a Jaron

519
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,119
Jackson junior actually get you on the trade market? And

520
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,559
it's not, by the way, it's not just him, it's

521
00:26:09,599 --> 00:26:12,720
a what would bam Auta bio get on the trade market?

522
00:26:12,759 --> 00:26:15,039
Right now? Does Jaron Jackson jars you're getting you three

523
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,000
first round picks? My gut says yes, But if if,

524
00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:22,079
if it is three first round picks, is that enough

525
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,559
for Memphis to say he's not really like preventing us

526
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,119
from improving our draft lottery odds? This season, We're just

527
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,759
gonna sit tight and see where we're at over the offseason.

528
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,039
I don't know what they should do with him. My

529
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,720
inclination is if there's an offer that's three first round

530
00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:41,759
picks or the equivalent, I'm really listening. We could just

531
00:26:41,839 --> 00:26:43,839
burn the whole thing down at this point.

532
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,839
Speaker 2: So a couple of things. This is a great discussion.

533
00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:50,599
I love I love this this topic of like how

534
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,640
are we valuing players again? And part of that is

535
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,319
because Bay, I know it's a five first. It wasn't really,

536
00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:01,079
but Baine's sort of okay, let's use the five first

537
00:27:01,319 --> 00:27:03,920
as the well the band return.

538
00:27:04,079 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: The caveat there though, is is part of that compensation

539
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,720
was the Grizzlies got no players of real value to

540
00:27:12,759 --> 00:27:14,640
the rest of Leeds back. They took on a KCP

541
00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:18,079
deal that aged poorly. Cole Anthony, they bought him out.

542
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,400
He clearly didn't have a market. So that's like to me,

543
00:27:21,519 --> 00:27:24,519
I look at that as more. They got three first.

544
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,519
Speaker 2: Round picks, Okay, okay, so that's fine. And then then

545
00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:31,559
I would also cite Mchael Bridges, I would cite the

546
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,359
perceived asking price for Trey Murphy. These types of guys

547
00:27:36,839 --> 00:27:38,839
I guess it's as simple in some sense as saying,

548
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:43,200
like it costs more now to get players that you

549
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,240
can say, we will integrate this guy with no we

550
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,200
have no questions about fit whatsoever. This is a plus

551
00:27:50,279 --> 00:27:53,839
starter that will fit and make us better, and so

552
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:59,119
we're paying a premium for that portability, I guess, And

553
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,640
to me, Jackson feels closer to that player type or

554
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,880
maybe even like an elevated version of that than just

555
00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:09,880
like Morant is the complete opposite where it's like or Trey,

556
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,279
where it's like we're changing the bonus. Yeah, it's a

557
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,119
bone like or Ad in Toronto, like whoever you want

558
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,160
to use. It's like part of its risk, part of

559
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,920
its cost, part of its whatever. But it's also just

560
00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:23,279
like I think teams are willing to pay more, like

561
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,720
to avoid the hassle and like subsequent decisions you've got

562
00:28:26,839 --> 00:28:29,920
to make to onboard someone that like fundamentally changes everything

563
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,160
you do. Now. Jackson is like a tricky player because

564
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,039
he is good enough to where he's not good enough

565
00:28:37,079 --> 00:28:38,960
to be the best player, right. I think I agree

566
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,200
with you that, like, if you're keeping him in Memphis,

567
00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:44,119
you need somebody better. Just that's not saying he's not

568
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,079
really good, but that's just what it looks like to me.

569
00:28:47,079 --> 00:28:49,640
But Jackson is like a just to use Baine as

570
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,920
a point of comparison, is Jackson any harder to integrate

571
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,799
and to just like throw him on a random team

572
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,079
then than Bain is? Like Bain Is plays a position

573
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,480
that's like he does all the things that position is

574
00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:03,759
supposed to do well to very well in theory, at

575
00:29:03,839 --> 00:29:07,039
least on both ends. And Jackson kind of is that

576
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,759
except like also at a premium position. You know, if

577
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:12,920
you think he's if he can play center. So why

578
00:29:13,079 --> 00:29:16,400
isn't he definitely worth more than Baine, especially considering Bain

579
00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:19,599
is like very well compensated for his position, which is

580
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,920
like a higher replacement. It's easier to replace Baine than

581
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,599
it is to get someone that does what Jackson does. So, like,

582
00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:27,920
why aren't we talking about like this is a four

583
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,839
to five actual first round pick guy for Jackson?

584
00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: Why isn't it that I think it's isn't there a

585
00:29:34,599 --> 00:29:37,920
wild card element to him? Even on the offensive end.

586
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,039
We know that he's improved as kind of an on

587
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,079
ball score as of right now, in the past month,

588
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,119
he has been hitting his threes but like that comes

589
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,880
and goes. There's the foul trouble on defense, which is

590
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,839
is low hanging fruit, but it's a real thing. And

591
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,920
then also is he better suited? I know he could

592
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,960
play both the four or the five? What is his

593
00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:59,000
optimal position? Because of the rebounding issues with him, it

594
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,440
almost feels like it needs to be the four. Lets

595
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,240
him defend away from the basket too. And so if

596
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,079
you're a team that doesn't think they already have someone

597
00:30:06,079 --> 00:30:09,000
who can either a control the glass or a center,

598
00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:12,480
then like that could that could be a little gaming,

599
00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:15,079
But I think it's more the if you're gonna pay

600
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,200
someone thirty plus percent of the salary cap more, what

601
00:30:19,359 --> 00:30:20,839
is he had twenty eight percent of the set close

602
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,920
to thirty percent of the salary cap? Yes, forward, he

603
00:30:25,119 --> 00:30:28,079
needs to be more dependable than Jaron Jackson junior. Like

604
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,599
he's had a bunch of injuries that he's dealt with.

605
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,160
And then the other thing is is Graham, do you

606
00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:37,480
know what his career high is in minutes per game?

607
00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:40,599
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a great question. I haven't looked. I'm gonna

608
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,960
guess it's like thirty two.

609
00:30:45,079 --> 00:30:49,359
Speaker 1: It is it is still loading here lower than that

610
00:30:50,319 --> 00:30:52,440
his career high minutes per game. Oh, it's thirty two

611
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,680
point two. So he's averaged over thirty minutes per game

612
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,519
twice in his career. He's averaged over thirty minutes per

613
00:30:59,599 --> 00:31:03,680
game while playing in more than forty games just once.

614
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so it sounds like what you're saying is

615
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:12,640
is kind of my contention that, like, well, isn't Jackson

616
00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:16,480
just like a premium version of the Fits Anywhere role player?

617
00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:19,680
Maybe not, because you do actually have to make some

618
00:31:20,079 --> 00:31:23,319
adjustments elsewhere in your like team makeup to compensate for

619
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,920
the fouling and the rebounding and the cost. He makes

620
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:26,680
more than Baine does.

621
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,799
Speaker 1: And it's I think it's probably more so for me.

622
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,640
Would be the offense though, because he is dependable for

623
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:35,200
what he does on defense, there's gonna be flaws to

624
00:31:35,319 --> 00:31:38,440
every player and you could get Look the Celtics are proof.

625
00:31:38,519 --> 00:31:40,799
You can go get your rebounding from the wings if

626
00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:44,720
you if you really need to, not ideal, but on offense,

627
00:31:44,839 --> 00:31:47,319
it's if we're paying this much because and this isn't

628
00:31:47,319 --> 00:31:50,079
a gener Jacktion New Year specific I'm I don't know

629
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,000
what I would give up to get bam Atibayo on

630
00:31:52,079 --> 00:31:55,039
my team right now. I think he is a generational

631
00:31:55,119 --> 00:31:58,279
defender whose offense I think part the Heat have asked

632
00:31:58,359 --> 00:32:01,200
him to like change too many different times, but he

633
00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:04,039
feels like someone who needs to have the option of

634
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,319
being spoon fed looks and Jackson to me, even with

635
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,200
his development as an on ball score a guy who

636
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,279
can maybe draw valves, I don't like, do you trust

637
00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:15,799
him creating from a dead stop at like anywhere on

638
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,480
the floor. I mean we've seen it though, like yeah,

639
00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:22,839
for how many That's not for a fraction of his

640
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,079
career right well, that is like maybe that's the core

641
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,160
issue with him is is I don't We've done a

642
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:30,799
couple of records in a row now, so I can't

643
00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:32,279
remember if I said this on air or off, but

644
00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:34,799
it's like he's been several different players, and like the

645
00:32:34,839 --> 00:32:36,720
three point shooting shows up and then it's gone, and

646
00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:39,519
then the isolation offense shows up and then it's gone.

647
00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:42,160
So it's like there is a level of uncertainty that

648
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,359
makes you uncomfortable if you're talking about a Bain esque

649
00:32:45,559 --> 00:32:48,200
or greater than trade package for him.

650
00:32:48,759 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: But like with Bain though, so if Bain doesn't shoot it,

651
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,200
and he didn't to start the season for Orlando. Like

652
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,279
that trade looks like shit, right, because it's like, if

653
00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:02,839
Baine's not shoot shoting it, he's a passable defender. But

654
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,559
if Jackson's not shooting it, he's still an all defensive

655
00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:08,240
level player that might be able to isolate and score

656
00:33:08,359 --> 00:33:11,839
that way. So it's like it's not a fair comparison,

657
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,519
but they come from the same team and we're talking

658
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:17,200
about similar packages. I just even if Bain costs I

659
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:22,200
don't know, like five ten percent less annually than Jackson does,

660
00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:26,319
I just think Jackson's the things he can give you

661
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,559
at that position, he just has to be more valuable

662
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:31,799
than Baine, which means.

663
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: He's more of an anomaly at his yeah, as.

664
00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: Harder to find, which I just think if Bain got

665
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,880
you three for real, if we're saying that's three for

666
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:41,880
real first round assets, Jackson, it was for a swap,

667
00:33:42,079 --> 00:33:45,119
right right, that's the floor. But you're right that like,

668
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,359
well you had to take back KCP and Cole Anthony

669
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,240
who you dumped and all this other stuff. But like

670
00:33:49,599 --> 00:33:51,559
which I guess Jackson just has to return more.

671
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: I write, and so I think he gets you at

672
00:33:57,559 --> 00:33:59,880
least three first round picks. The problem is is that

673
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:02,279
doesn't it feel like even teams now, like I know,

674
00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:06,119
the Orlando trade just happened over the off season, which

675
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,960
team is going to be willing to do even the

676
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,119
exact equivalent you get off of some bad money for

677
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,360
Let's use the Raptors as an example. Are you giving

678
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,719
up if you can get off the parole contract? Are

679
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,760
you giving four first round picks in a.

680
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 2: Swap in season like right now? Today?

681
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, tomorrow?

682
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 2: Because part of this is I actually do think waiting

683
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,800
on Jackson for the off season makes it much more

684
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,960
likely you're going to get a better return. But that's

685
00:34:33,039 --> 00:34:33,960
kind of a separate.

686
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,079
Speaker 1: Yea, because we've never seen when's the last Because it

687
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:42,800
wasn't Luca the last mid season pick Hall trade like that.

688
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's one out there. I just you know you.

689
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,119
I would trust you to remember that better than I would.

690
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:50,079
But yeah, it's it's hard. Nothing jumps to mine. That's

691
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:50,840
that's for sure.

692
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:56,639
Speaker 1: I mean the James Harden deal, that might dad to

693
00:34:56,679 --> 00:35:00,400
be it the first one, Okay, yeah, okay, yeah, well

694
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:01,960
I no, Phoenix getting Kevin Durant.

695
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, those those all worked out great too. So maybe

696
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,400
that's a reason that I don't know, Wait, what's the

697
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,599
what's the question pertol and four first or something? What

698
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:16,559
are we talking like?

699
00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: There's other there has to be other money in there,

700
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,559
But is that because I'm asking what would it take for?

701
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,760
Because I think it's fair for Memphis. I mostly I

702
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,280
was pointing out playing Devil's Advocate a lot with Aaron

703
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,599
Jackson Junior. But I'm wondering if team mindsets are continuing

704
00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:35,360
to shift to where even the opportunities to get the

705
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,880
bane type return where you're taking on some bad money

706
00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:42,920
if you're not giving up like a consensus all NBA player.

707
00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:46,199
And yes, he was basically that last year. It was

708
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,880
the first time he was ever that. Yeah, and so

709
00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:51,280
that's what I'd be worried about it. So I'm just

710
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,840
wondering what would be the Because it's John Morant, you

711
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,920
just have to move even though it's about you can't.

712
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,119
You're not rebooting his value, at least not in Memphis.

713
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,840
The situation is too far gone. That's not the case

714
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,880
with Jaron Jackson Juior. So everyone could sit here and say, yeah,

715
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,480
it makes more sense for Memphis to tear town. Like

716
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,599
what is the what is the pick number or something

717
00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:10,599
that is going to come in and make them, whether

718
00:36:10,639 --> 00:36:12,639
it's now, whether it's over the off seat, that makes

719
00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:15,559
you think, oh, this is worth it to get because

720
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:17,239
you just said it needs to be more than Baan

721
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,639
And so I'm saying, if someone came in with the

722
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,280
exact type of offer, is that enough to get Memphis

723
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:23,760
to do it or do they view it as no,

724
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,480
like we should hold out and hope that we reboot

725
00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:28,199
this thing faster.

726
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 2: I think maybe not for that reason necessarily, But I

727
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,880
think the way that this makes sense in my head

728
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,760
is to frame it with a question and ask if

729
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,840
the Grizzlies wait and don't do anything right now, our

730
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,559
offer is getting worse for Jared Jackson, Like, I don't

731
00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:46,559
think so, because I think there's a good chance he

732
00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:49,480
plays better. There's a good chance that more suitors are

733
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,280
you know, emerge in the off season.

734
00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: So like it.

735
00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 2: Maybe that's the way to look at it, as like, yeah,

736
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,559
unless you just get knocked over with an offer that's

737
00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:02,880
like that's dumb, that's that's five real first round assets

738
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,320
or whatever, four real real ones like you do that,

739
00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:09,599
I guess, but but I don't. I could imagine Memphis

740
00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:11,199
being like we got to get jaw off the team,

741
00:37:11,559 --> 00:37:13,679
and then after that we can be a little more patient.

742
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,119
We can wait till the summer. And like the Jackson

743
00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:19,159
offers are not going away like that unless even if

744
00:37:19,199 --> 00:37:21,599
he got hurt, I don't feel like he's going to

745
00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:22,440
be devalued.

746
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: That's a good point, because I mean towards keeping him.

747
00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:27,199
I don't know what the offer would need to be

748
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,920
if it's right, if someone's just offering me three good

749
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,920
first round picks and it's not a nuclear bad contract,

750
00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:36,119
like I'm listening, like that is getting you to talk.

751
00:37:36,119 --> 00:37:38,199
I don't know if I'm but I think to your point,

752
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,719
we're worried about how much are team's going to be

753
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,800
willing to give up for these types of players moving forward.

754
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,639
I don't think whether it's now or whether it's in July,

755
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,400
that the gap between what you would get is going

756
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,760
to change much. I would argue it's not going to

757
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,280
change at all, and if anything, scorned but like playoff

758
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,280
teams might be more urgent over the off season as well.

759
00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 2: The only counter I could come up with for that

760
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,719
approach is like, well, if you wait until the offseason,

761
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,480
Jackson will be sought after by the same teams that

762
00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:14,280
want Jannis or other superstar x and like the really

763
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,880
big offers are going to be reserved for him, and

764
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,599
by the time it comes back around to Jackson, Memphis

765
00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:21,840
will not be able to get you know what I mean,

766
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,239
Like maybe the waiting. If you wait, you just put

767
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,920
yourself on the market against like better competition. Whereas at

768
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,639
the moment, like doesn't seem like Giannis is going anywhere.

769
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,719
I still think he should probably move, but like AD's

770
00:38:33,159 --> 00:38:35,000
not going to reach so like you might be the

771
00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:37,840
best thing on the market right now if you're Jackson,

772
00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:40,920
and maybe Memphis tries to capitalize there, but even then

773
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,800
I still think I still think waiting. I still think

774
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,800
they shouldn't feel urgency to move Jackson at this trade deadline.

775
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,079
Speaker 1: So the overarching question here are there any players who

776
00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:54,800
should actually be off limits? Is it just coward?

777
00:38:55,039 --> 00:38:55,159
Speaker 2: Is it?

778
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: And what is this direction? Is it? If you're moving

779
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,840
John Morant because the Grizzlies haven't does feel like, based

780
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,159
off some of the breadcrumbs in the Desmond paying trade

781
00:39:04,199 --> 00:39:07,119
being the largest among them, that they are gearing up

782
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:11,280
for more of a gradual reset. Is that the play

783
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,000
if you're moving John Morant? Because I think there are

784
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,679
people that could add that he it's additioned by traction.

785
00:39:18,199 --> 00:39:19,920
But I still even if you view it as that,

786
00:39:20,519 --> 00:39:22,760
what are the Grizzlies good enough to do? Is there

787
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,559
then turn around and give up assets for a guy

788
00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:27,480
that makes a lot of sense to lead them into

789
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:31,039
that next era? I because I lean towards the Yeah,

790
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:33,039
I'm not it's not true you have to trade Jaron

791
00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:34,480
Jackson Junior. No, I'm with you. I don't think that

792
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,559
there needs to be urgency there. But I'm also just

793
00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:40,760
there is there is that vibe of what are we

794
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,199
doing here after we trade Jamran? Their direction was hazy

795
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,960
before and without knowing the John Morant return or what

796
00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:50,519
they're prioritizing in it, it feels like even hazier now

797
00:39:50,559 --> 00:39:52,760
because there's there's a world like let's say they ship

798
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,679
him to Miami and in my head, I'm thinking Terry Roziers,

799
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,039
like the primary sally, what if it's for Andrew Wiggins?

800
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,760
Are they talking themselves? And like we got Wiggins and

801
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,320
Coward and we have John Wells and Jaron Jackson Junior

802
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:07,400
would if Zach Edy gets healthy. So it's more so

803
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:11,079
like what is Memphis? Is there a direction that should

804
00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:13,440
anything be off limits for that, I honestly think they

805
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,519
need to just consider anything in everything At this point.

806
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 2: I think I think there's it's not always bad if

807
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,679
it's a little hazy some sometime maybe often it is,

808
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,880
but like if if the kind of hazy or like,

809
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,159
I don't know, like we always we're always on every

810
00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:31,519
team to like pick a direction. But for for the

811
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:34,599
Grizzlies in this hypothetical, they have all their own picks.

812
00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:37,920
You've got Coward and Edie, which you know Edie's health

813
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,239
is a huge question mark, but like I feel pretty

814
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,239
good about those two guys as long term starters of

815
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,119
like a good team that you don't have the star.

816
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,880
But like with or without Jackson, I think the overall

817
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:55,760
outlook for Memphis is pretty positive, like pretty flexible. If

818
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,239
you do move Jackson for like a pick heavy package

819
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,440
and and no bad money, like then you're really like

820
00:41:01,519 --> 00:41:03,880
that's a pretty hard reset, but it's one that's like

821
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,119
we already got a couple pieces in place in Edie

822
00:41:06,159 --> 00:41:09,199
and Coward, and like you feel, I think you feel

823
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,119
okay about that as like a more deliberate reset, and

824
00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:14,679
if you keep Jackson, then it's like, well, we just

825
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,440
kind of need. You know, we need someone better than him,

826
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,480
but we already have a fair amount of the infrastructure

827
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:19,880
in place.

828
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: You could argue that if they're holding onto Jaron Jackson junior,

829
00:41:23,519 --> 00:41:28,320
that they have eighty percent of their starting lineup of

830
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,519
the future on a really good team with Jollen Wells,

831
00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:34,840
Coward Jackson and Edie. The Edy health question mark is.

832
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 2: Huge, huge, But the way what you don't have in

833
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,039
that construction is like your best player, which is.

834
00:41:41,159 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: And play, like even having Scottie Pippen junior is and

835
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,719
like Cam Spencer, that's just not going to be enough,

836
00:41:46,119 --> 00:41:48,559
which I'm just like sort of curious, So is their

837
00:41:48,599 --> 00:41:52,440
biggest need then just post John Morant because it can't.

838
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,079
Is it just indiscriminately a best player or at that

839
00:41:55,199 --> 00:41:58,039
point it's well kind of needs to be your offensive

840
00:41:58,079 --> 00:41:58,880
engine at that point.

841
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, And the problem is that it's not a

842
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,880
market that's going to attract free agents historically, and it's like,

843
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,079
so you're going to have to draft it. And then

844
00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:12,320
if you're drafting that player hypothetically, like you're waiting three

845
00:42:12,639 --> 00:42:15,400
four years for him to hit that level and by

846
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,760
then it's like, well, Jackson's into his thirties, and it's

847
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,559
super expensive, and so it's like we are kind of

848
00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:23,800
like leaving the big thing for last, which is maybe

849
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,159
not the best way to build a team, but like

850
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,679
plenty of teams go like the Heat kind of have

851
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,960
done that, you know, like they to. But maybe you're

852
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,440
frustrated as a Heat fan in the post Jimmy world.

853
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: One of the hypotheticals that was floated and I was,

854
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:40,840
I understand it from there's a lot of not redundancies,

855
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,239
But why would you have Hero Norman Powell Jamran on

856
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:44,480
the same team if he did, I don't think you're

857
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:45,960
getting credited to the Heat. I just think that would

858
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:46,920
be batshit crazy.

859
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 2: Like everyone the laroche of it alone is just like

860
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:55,239
this is a non starter, right, I don't understand, right, but.

861
00:42:55,559 --> 00:42:58,079
Speaker 1: Was if you got Tyler Hero for John Moran and

862
00:42:58,159 --> 00:43:00,760
then it's you're still looking for your best player at

863
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,280
that point, but your best five man lineup is pretty

864
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:04,320
fucking good and.

865
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 2: It all makes sense too, Like that lineup is just

866
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,079
like everybody compliments everybody. It just Jalen Wells guards who

867
00:43:10,119 --> 00:43:13,159
Hero can't or Coward does it, and you've got spacing

868
00:43:13,199 --> 00:43:15,760
inside like it's that's a really good lineup. I don't

869
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,920
think anyone's picking that team to win a conference, but like,

870
00:43:18,159 --> 00:43:19,840
not everybody can be at that level.

871
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: So I did endeavor to be like, Okay, the Grizzlies

872
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,320
have traded Djamrant the caveat. We don't know what they're

873
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,960
getting back, but we know it's not their cornerstone of

874
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,559
the future. So I tried to endeavor to find a

875
00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:32,840
player or two that would then should they turn around

876
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,960
and trade for them, even if it's gonna cost assets.

877
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,360
I only came up with but mid season because of right,

878
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,079
like Darius Garland would be an interesting one him in

879
00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:44,360
the combination of Jaredison June, but that to me feels

880
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,719
like it'd be an off season thing. I came up

881
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,639
with two. Did I feel like you could talk yourself

882
00:43:48,679 --> 00:43:51,840
into maybe they'd be available mid season? Are you ready?

883
00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:53,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited.

884
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: LaMelo Ball was one of them.

885
00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course he was.

886
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: What you just mean, like he fills the Ja Morant

887
00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:02,920
hole right there, and it's like you're worried about floor spacing,

888
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,800
He's gonna at least provide that, maybe too much of

889
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,880
it with his one legged three pointers, but and the

890
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,239
other one, I thought he's injured right now too, But

891
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,559
that's no stranger for Memphis. Thing. Do you take a

892
00:44:13,639 --> 00:44:15,880
flyer and what does it cost to get Scoot Henderson?

893
00:44:16,679 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 2: Oh? I mean that that tickles my brain a little more,

894
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,159
just because it's kind of like he does fit into

895
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,159
the sort of mores deliberate like rebuild. We're on the

896
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:34,400
coward Edy timeline, longer shot than like what are the

897
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,159
odds Scoop becomes as good a player as LaMelo, Like

898
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,960
you'd probably say it's unlikely but not impossible, and you

899
00:44:41,079 --> 00:44:43,159
may be buying him at a low. I like that

900
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,280
a lot. I think that because I think if you're

901
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,800
a Grizzlies fan, and I've had a poor read on

902
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,599
Grizzlies fans forever, because like a Keith Parrish when he

903
00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:53,800
would come on, would just talk about how beloved Morant was,

904
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,280
and I'd be like, he still gotta get rid of

905
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:55,679
that guy.

906
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,199
Speaker 1: So I don't It's okay. I have a bad read

907
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,679
on Memphis for under normally, but I bet you do.

908
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,559
I hit there Under this year, I hit it.

909
00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 2: It's over. The streak is over.

910
00:45:07,159 --> 00:45:07,280
Speaker 1: Uh.

911
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:12,199
Speaker 2: I can imagine were I a Grizzlies fan, Scoot is

912
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,199
like very fun and appealing as like because there's still

913
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,559
mystery box element with him, which not for good reasons.

914
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:19,800
It's because he's been hurt all year, but like there's

915
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,599
some of that I feel like with LaMelo. I don't know,

916
00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:26,039
I kind of like LaMelo too, if I'm being honest, especially,

917
00:45:26,039 --> 00:45:26,599
I would love.

918
00:45:26,519 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: LaMelo Jackson with those LaMelo with Triple j Edi and

919
00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:32,719
Wells and Coward, I'd absolutely love that.

920
00:45:33,039 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: And I would say too, I think I think I

921
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:39,559
was gonna say, I think Jackson's a better player than LaMelo.

922
00:45:40,039 --> 00:45:43,199
But with LaMelo, you're still getting the like there's he

923
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,079
could there's upside if he could stay healthy and like

924
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,840
the the now we're getting proved of concept offensively and

925
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,920
Charlotte finally with enough stuff around him, although like that's

926
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,079
the reason Charlotte wouldn't trade him, but still, like I

927
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,679
I could see the I see the upside being much

928
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,239
higher with LaMelo, but like the fit and mystery element

929
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,079
of Scoot and cost would would I would be interested

930
00:46:05,079 --> 00:46:05,480
in that too.

931
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:08,039
Speaker 1: I had a couple other names. I don't know if

932
00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:09,960
I would call him, like distressed, but they just weren't

933
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,960
as exciting to me. But Jared McCain if you're moving

934
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,400
on from If you're moving on from Ja Morant, I

935
00:46:17,519 --> 00:46:19,519
thought about just as a stop gap and when is

936
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:22,079
he going to be healthy? But that depends on the

937
00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:24,119
Grizzlies direction. I think this would kind of cement their

938
00:46:24,159 --> 00:46:25,920
spot and I don't really know what they're doing. But

939
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,440
de Jontay Murray, Oh interesting, Yeah, forgotten player?

940
00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:31,599
Speaker 2: Does Jaye and Ivy do anything for you? As like

941
00:46:31,679 --> 00:46:32,440
that was the other name?

942
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: Thought? Maybe like was he ever built as like the

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playmaker type? Though I saw it wasn't one of his

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comps Ja Morant. Wasn't that Jane Nile?

945
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because like I think he may have been

946
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billed as that at some point, but like once he

947
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was driven off the lot, like draft pick wise, like

948
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that was pretty clear it wasn't gonna happen. Uh, But yeah,

949
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maybe it's in there. I don't know. You got the

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draft pedigree, you've got the excuse of like, well, he

951
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didn't know he was going to be next to like

952
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an all NBA level first option and also he kept

953
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getting hurt. Like there's a lot of things you could

954
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point to you in Ivy's career that have that Maybe

955
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if they were different, we would look at him as like, well,

956
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I know he's going to be an All Star. I

957
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don't know.

958
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Speaker 1: This probably would have to be an off season for

959
00:47:16,159 --> 00:47:17,880
like a free agencies thing if they were gonna have

960
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,119
to generate space or I don't know what they need

961
00:47:20,159 --> 00:47:21,239
to do. But Austin Reeves.

962
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's another one where it's like is.

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Speaker 1: He better than Jackson?

964
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Speaker 2: Like the guy that showed up at points this year

965
00:47:29,559 --> 00:47:31,360
is certainly looked like it. That's fun.

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Speaker 1: I like that.

967
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Speaker 2: Plus he's from Arkansas, that's like down in that direction.

968
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Maybe maybe that maybe that's like a marketable guy for

969
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,840
the Grizzlies because they would care. They will care about that.

970
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,079
When Moran's gone, is like, wh who are we selling

971
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:44,760
right now?

972
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Speaker 1: Could you sell? And again this is not a lot,

973
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these are just answers all over the place. Could you

974
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,480
sell Toronto on a Manuel quickly for Santi al Dama

975
00:47:53,519 --> 00:47:57,360
and Kentavious Colo Pope as a structure.

976
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Speaker 2: Toronto would have to be pretty confident it just wanted

977
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out of the quickly business, which, yeah, maybe.

978
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Speaker 1: Isaiah Collier not really a second draft guy.

979
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Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I mean like with the way George

980
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,199
has emerged, it's like, well, how much. Are you gonna

981
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invest in a backup lead guard? Now? Yeah, I don't know.

982
00:48:17,639 --> 00:48:19,599
The shooting is a I get, although if you're gonna

983
00:48:19,639 --> 00:48:21,960
have Jaron Jackson around, that does allow you to have

984
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a sketchy shooter at a different position. Not optimal, though,

985
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:27,400
That's all.

986
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Speaker 1: I had I thought. I think you just I can't

987
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,920
imagine his team training on but Andrew nemhard not really

988
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,159
best player material, of course, but that'd be interesting. I

989
00:48:36,199 --> 00:48:38,000
can't really run I don't trust him to run your

990
00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:39,280
entire offense though for a four.

991
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 2: I mean, is there a world where a healthy Scottie

992
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,119
Pippen Junior is like just good enough to take over

993
00:48:44,679 --> 00:48:47,920
and and you you know he's a he plays like

994
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:52,280
at a top fifteen level among starting point guards, and

995
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,639
you you reallocate stuff elsewhere.

996
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,039
Speaker 1: Maybe well, then where's like the best I guess it

997
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,159
comes from if you're were vision you.

998
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Speaker 2: Move well to them or something.

999
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it would be on the wing or maybe center.

1000
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But like who you if your best player is a

1001
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,599
center and Edie's coming off the bench and you just

1002
00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:10,320
don't have Ed in that scenario, I don't Yeah, you'll

1003
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get Yeah, that'd be cool.

1004
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,519
Speaker 2: I mean, the problem they really do in this construction.

1005
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,519
They just they need the big like the lead ball

1006
00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:21,639
handler all NBA star, which is like, okay, cool, everybody does.

1007
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: What if they just turned around and became the honest team.

1008
00:49:25,639 --> 00:49:28,679
Speaker 2: That would be I mean him and Jaron Jackson, I do,

1009
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,440
I do enjoy that fit? That's fun.

1010
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Speaker 1: Or it's like the cost of Anthony Davis drop so

1011
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,480
low that it's like, well it's Ksep and Aldama and

1012
00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:39,800
minimal pick equity, maybe some others.

1013
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 2: But but you're just you're just telling me that you

1014
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:45,920
don't believe either. I mean, yeah, I want to I

1015
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want to see a healthy edy with Jackson and Coward

1016
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and I guess wells distant fourth Wells and be like

1017
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,119
what do we have here? Like what like what level

1018
00:49:56,199 --> 00:49:58,679
of primary creator do we need to turn this into

1019
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,760
like a top fourteen in the conference.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's just still so much in place. That's why

1021
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it's interesting what happens after John Moran, I thought this

1022
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:07,559
team was gonna be a bummer to talk about, end

1023
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up being a lot of fun. You have anything else?

1024
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,519
We almost freaking that's our longest trade deadline primary Yet

1025
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,320
you're welcome or we're sorry Grizzly spans.

1026
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 2: Also sorry to us if Jah gets traded in the

1027
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,519
next six hours and this is all useless, so let's

1028
00:50:21,559 --> 00:50:26,079
get this up in a hurry to the British national team.

1029
00:50:29,519 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 1: My first instinct was they're not going to trade him

1030
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,960
while they're in Berlin or London, right, and that would

1031
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,159
be that would be the ultimate sign of just that's

1032
00:50:38,199 --> 00:50:40,760
the ultimate fu. They get traded while.

1033
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Speaker 2: Let's we have to we have to get out of here, see,

1034
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,679
but just leave it up whatever happens. Who cares? Thanks

1035
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everybody for listening, for watching. Thanks to John Moran for

1036
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,960
so much rich content. Please rate, review, subscribe, Grizzly fans,

1037
00:50:54,039 --> 00:50:56,719
let us we we've admittedly got terrible reads on your team.

1038
00:50:57,199 --> 00:50:58,840
Let us know what you think they will do, what

1039
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,199
you think they should do? How into uh the sort

1040
00:51:02,199 --> 00:51:05,199
of like weight on it plan? Are you? Are you?

1041
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 1: How into Terry Rosieer's contract?

1042
00:51:09,039 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 2: Contract tolerance high extremely high? Join our discord links with

1043
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,679
that YouTube podcast scription. Thanks An, Tell your friends, tell

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