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Speaker 2: Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going
Speaker 2: on here. Something just kid with my dog, something to
Speaker 2: kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there over
Speaker 2: the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, damn,
Speaker 2: I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming
Speaker 2: over the fence and they would dead once you hit
Speaker 2: the grill. I didn't see any cars. All I saw
Speaker 2: was my dog coming over the fence. Sat what are
Speaker 2: you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around
Speaker 2: out here? Did you see what it was? It was
Speaker 2: enough out here. Look, I'm new the window now and
Speaker 2: I don't need anything. I don't want to go outside. Hello,
Speaker 2: hit the boddy out here? What quin on out there?
Speaker 2: It's thought of a bitch about six foot nine. I
Speaker 2: don't know. Easy ann out there? Yeah, I'm walking right.
Speaker 3: Head all right, folks.
Speaker 1: I want to welcome our guest to the show. It
Speaker 1: is Maxim Furick. Welcome to the show, sir.
Speaker 4: Thank you Brian. Great to be here. Looking forward to
Speaker 4: a chat with you and sasquatch Otto seas should be
Speaker 4: a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: As always, I am glad to talk to you as well.
Speaker 1: Let's get right into it. You've got a story background,
Speaker 1: You've got quite the history. Let's start there. Tell everybody
Speaker 1: a little bit about your background, your history, and what
Speaker 1: brought you to the point of writing a.
Speaker 4: Book about Bigfoot. Yeah, good question. But first of all,
Speaker 4: we all got our backstory. So we all got our
Speaker 4: ups and downs, our wins and our losses and all that,
Speaker 4: just like anybody else. But I'm an author, I'm a writer,
Speaker 4: I'm a creative guy. I'm a former rock journalist. I
Speaker 4: was in northeastern Pennsylvania. Our claim the fame was that
Speaker 4: we had a hit record called Timothy. It was in
Speaker 4: nineteen seventy one, and we got coal mines up back
Speaker 4: called We're like hardcore people Anthracide Cold. There were a
Speaker 4: lot of coal miners there, a lot of indentured servants
Speaker 4: and a little breaker boys, ten year old kids that
Speaker 4: they send down into the mine. So we got a
Speaker 4: real storied history there. Anyway, nineteen seventy one there was
Speaker 4: a song called Timothy. It was by a Wocksbaro Pennsylvania
Speaker 4: band called the Boys b all Ys. Timothy was about
Speaker 4: cannibalism and a mind shaft. So that song went to
Speaker 4: number thirteen on Billboard and it was the highest charting
Speaker 4: song of any rock act in northeastern Pennsylvania. So, as
Speaker 4: a rock journalist, I wanted to write a book. Was
Speaker 4: researching it. I found out that Timothy the song paralleled
Speaker 4: things that happened in Shepton. The nineteen sixty three Shepton
Speaker 4: My disaster, same story. Three guys go down into the
Speaker 4: mine for their trap. There for two weeks, only two
Speaker 4: come out. The townspeople want to know what happened to
Speaker 4: your buddy. There were allegations of cannibalism back then in
Speaker 4: sixty three as well as now, including Johnny Boba, who
Speaker 4: was the son of the guy that allegedly was cannibalized,
Speaker 4: and Johnny believes that they ate his dad. Every time
Speaker 4: they interview him they say this. So that was bizarre.
Speaker 4: The more I investigated Shepton, the more I got into
Speaker 4: a paranormal realm. So just a whole lot of bizarre
Speaker 4: things happened in Shepton. Out of body experiences, near death experiences,
Speaker 4: after life experiences. They saw humanoid creatures, they saw Pope
Speaker 4: John the twenty third, who had died in June. Shepton
Speaker 4: took place in August. It's just a lot of crazy,
Speaker 4: bizarre things. So that book, Shepton Miracle and Music Pertains
Speaker 4: to Timothy the song that took off really big. Then
Speaker 4: I decided to follow that up with another paranormal book
Speaker 4: that was sort of Sylvania centric and every state, every
Speaker 4: locale has their own weirdness. Coal Region. I ripped off
Speaker 4: the name Khudu from the Bayou. I thought, what the help,
Speaker 4: we'll use it. We'll put it here up here in
Speaker 4: the Coal Region. So I have two chapters there on Bigfoot,
Speaker 4: and we have bickfoot sightings here. Pennsylvania reputably is the
Speaker 4: number third state after California and Washington with bickfoot sidings,
Speaker 4: especially in western Pennsylvania, the Chestnut Ridge area. So I
Speaker 4: wrote this book had two chapters for some reason, and
Speaker 4: this was twenty twenty three that people read those two chapters.
Speaker 4: So I got invited to all these bigfoot expos here
Speaker 4: in Pennsylvania. They're popping up left and right, and they're
Speaker 4: cannibalizing each other. At some point it's going to reach
Speaker 4: a point of saturation, but we're having fun.
Speaker 3: We're having a.
Speaker 4: Bigfoot origin in Pennsylvania right now.
Speaker 2: So be it.
Speaker 4: I decided I was really intrigued with Bigfoot, all of
Speaker 4: the aspects of it and all of the theories. I
Speaker 4: started to read books by Jeff Meldrum, Lauren Coleman, and
Speaker 4: Nick Redfern and all the ones. So I decided to
Speaker 4: do my own book. I had been interviewed by doctor
Speaker 4: Dean Bertram on his Talking Weird program. Dean told me
Speaker 4: about Hangar one and Doug Hicheck. He thought that it
Speaker 4: might be a good hook up, so I contacted him.
Speaker 4: I told him about the book I was working on,
Speaker 4: and they got pretty excited. The Lost Tribes of Bigfoot.
Speaker 4: As we're speaking now, it only came out like maybe
Speaker 4: four days ago, so we're getting a lot of interest.
Speaker 4: I've been getting a lot of calls guys like you,
Speaker 4: so I really appreciate this, and I'm looking forward to
Speaker 4: having a place at the table where I could also
Speaker 4: discuss my feelings about Sasquatch, what it is and all that.
Speaker 4: So that's basically where I am. But you know how
Speaker 4: it is when you first get that book, when that
Speaker 4: book is published, when the Lost Tribes on Bigfoot came out,
Speaker 4: When I first got that book and held it just
Speaker 4: like called a baby. I love what they did in
Speaker 4: the back. There's my rock and roll persona. That's an
Speaker 4: Gretwitch village. That's a club loob. Yeah. I'm just excited.
Speaker 4: And we're fellow Hanger one authors, which is cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: My book Sasquatch Unleased The Truth Behind the Legend, just
Speaker 1: came out in March of this year, and I've had
Speaker 1: a phenomenal experience. I've had a long history with Doug
Speaker 1: and Alex and Blaine and those guys over a Hanger
Speaker 1: one and the Until Radio Network, so I am stoked
Speaker 1: as well to be a part.
Speaker 3: Of that group.
Speaker 1: Let's get right into the book. Let's talk about some
Speaker 1: of the things. I've got some questions here. I want
Speaker 1: to dive into. Some of the things that you covered
Speaker 1: in this book are frankly some of the things I
Speaker 1: covered in my book as well. I'm very interested in.
Speaker 1: Let's get into the UFO and Bigfoot connection. It's on
Speaker 1: everybody's mind when it comes to Bigfoot. You got this
Speaker 1: flesh and blood camp, you got this wo and high
Speaker 1: strangeness camp, and some people think they're flying around on
Speaker 1: UFOs and they're dropping them off to use the bathroom
Speaker 1: or whatever they're doing here on Earth.
Speaker 3: So let's dive into that.
Speaker 1: It's one of the things that I have struggled with
Speaker 1: my Bigfoot journey, if you will, So let's talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about where you are on this possible connection.
Speaker 3: Between Bigfoot and UFOs. What you think about that thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, First of all, when I first heard about Bigfoot
Speaker 4: and UFOs together, I said, no, this is crazy. I
Speaker 4: refused to believe that. I was just like, I'm thinking
Speaker 4: of that. This is just stupid, this is over the top.
Speaker 4: But the more I researched this, the more I'm seeing
Speaker 4: the connection that they not only see Bigfoot, but that
Speaker 4: they see saucers or orbs, they see Wird's things. A
Speaker 4: lot of this was happening in western Pennsylvania. We had
Speaker 4: the syria called Chestnut Ridge. Even though they say it's
Speaker 4: only four county, it's actually more than that, Like even
Speaker 4: Green County. He was a guy named Kevin Paul that
Speaker 4: writes about all the high strangeness in Green County. Stan Gordon,
Speaker 4: You're lucky because we have a guy named Stan Gordon,
Speaker 4: and standard is like the Caper of the Keys. When
Speaker 4: we had the Kecksburg crash, the UFO crash in December
Speaker 4: of nineteen sixty five, Stan was there. He documented it,
Speaker 4: wrote books, had a documentary and that sort of got
Speaker 4: him started on this thing. Then he started to write
Speaker 4: about bigfoot out in western Pennsylvania. Stan Gordon is the
Speaker 4: guy that documents all this stuff. Whenever there's a bigfoot
Speaker 4: or UFO sighting, whenever they call the state police and
Speaker 4: will say call Stan Gordon. So the Stan Gordon's number
Speaker 4: ready to give to these people. So Stan has been
Speaker 4: keeping a list of this. He documents all these sightings,
Speaker 4: like mister and Missus Jones going to the outhouse and
Speaker 4: they see a bigfoot family, they see a bigfoot with orbs,
Speaker 4: or they see a bigfoot in flying saucers. There were
Speaker 4: so many examples of bigfoot sasquatch creatures along with UFOs,
Speaker 4: along with flying saucers that I felt that there was something.
Speaker 4: There was a strong connection there, but it was a
Speaker 4: paranormal connection. Now again, whatever that is, we don't know.
Speaker 4: But I figure the best I can do as a researcher,
Speaker 4: if that's what I amazon bigfoot author, the best I
Speaker 4: could do is come up with terminologies, slots, genre and
Speaker 4: categories and say that bigfoot and UFOs slot into this,
Speaker 4: this is where they are. If we can do that
Speaker 4: and then discuss that and you have people either validated
Speaker 4: or criticize it. But then I think that's the discussion
Speaker 4: we need to have. But I think there's a lot
Speaker 4: of commonality between UFOs and Bigfoot. For example, a lot
Speaker 4: of the saucer people are looking for nuts and bolts.
Speaker 4: They want proof that this thing exists. We've been looking
Speaker 4: for that, certainly since Roles Well in nineteen forty seven,
Speaker 4: but even earlier than that, since the days before Christ.
Speaker 4: People have seen things in the sky. Some people are
Speaker 4: looking for flesh and blood, so we're looking for proof.
Speaker 4: On that note, we have a whole lot of things.
Speaker 4: I mean, the art proof. I think there's three things
Speaker 4: basically that are proof that Bigfoot exists. You know, one,
Speaker 4: the eyewitness accounts, and not just eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable,
Speaker 4: but we've had accounts of numerous people too, or more
Speaker 4: people seeing Bigfoot at the same time, so that to
Speaker 4: me is credibility. The other thing is with people like
Speaker 4: doctor Jeff Meldrum, Groper Krantz, all these people that catalogued
Speaker 4: the Bigfoot cast. They would go to these places where
Speaker 4: they saw the prince and make cast out of it.
Speaker 4: We know that Ray Wallace was the hoaxer, and he
Speaker 4: was around there in Bluff Creek making his fake bigfoot
Speaker 4: prints and he was found out. Even though the media
Speaker 4: concluded that these bigfoot tracks were actually a hoax, they were,
Speaker 4: Lauren Coleman called him out. Lauren Coleman was the one
Speaker 4: person who single handedly called out this hoaxter and documented
Speaker 4: what he did and what he didn't do, and how
Speaker 4: the media dropped the ball on this. It was a
Speaker 4: lot easier to say that it was a hoax and
Speaker 4: it was an actual thing, and the media is to
Speaker 4: blame for that. But Lauren Coleman, I got to give
Speaker 4: him credit for calling them out the bigfoot prints or
Speaker 4: the other thing to cast. And then the third thing,
Speaker 4: and I talk a lot about this in the Lost
Speaker 4: Stripes of Bigfoot is the Patterson gimlun film that's been
Speaker 4: analyzed scrutinized. The scientists looked at at these people that
Speaker 4: make a living in primate gait and ambulation and all
Speaker 4: that they watch it. And it's not a person in
Speaker 4: a suit, because you could see the muscles, you could
Speaker 4: see the butt muscles. Patty turns around and looks at
Speaker 4: Patterson and then goes and runs away. And a couple
Speaker 4: of things about this one. Right, if you and I
Speaker 4: were going to go and do a hoax about bigfoot,
Speaker 4: you would think that we would make it longer than
Speaker 4: fifty eight seconds. This Patterson Gimlin Fell, the notorious film
Speaker 4: is only fifty eight seconds. Again, it shows this female bigfoot.
Speaker 4: You see the breasts walking, turning out of curiosity, and
Speaker 4: then walking away. Some people feel that what it was
Speaker 4: doing that it could have gone into the woods earlier.
Speaker 4: But it was going in a circular way like animals do,
Speaker 4: because there were little bigfoot creatures close and they were
Speaker 4: trying to take Patterson and Gimlin, the two horses Plint
Speaker 4: plus the pack horse away from the areas where those
Speaker 4: other bigfoot is. So that's one of the theories. Patterson
Speaker 4: was trying to make money. He was a great promoter.
Speaker 4: They were interesting individuals, him and his brother in law.
Speaker 4: After the sighting, Patterson and Gimblin became estranged. They didn't
Speaker 4: talk to each other. Patterson was going out with his
Speaker 4: brother in law. He wanted to do a documentary to
Speaker 4: make money to have a larger Bigfoot expedition to find
Speaker 4: this thing. So that was his motivation behind it. Jimlin
Speaker 4: dropped off the face of the earth. He had his
Speaker 4: forty days and nights in the desert. He just rode
Speaker 4: his force up and down the Pacific Coast Highway. Bob
Speaker 4: Giblin right now is I think eighty seven years old.
Speaker 4: He was keeping a low profile until the members of
Speaker 4: the Bigfoot cult welcomed him back and he invited him
Speaker 4: to all these Bigfoot conferences and conventions, and he's like
Speaker 4: the Saint. I talk about that in my book. From
Speaker 4: being crucified and castigated, criticized and everything else, it's come
Speaker 4: around that he's all become Saint Robert Gimlin. They love him,
Speaker 4: They hang on every word, and they just want to
Speaker 4: hear him tell again and again what he saw, what
Speaker 4: he felt, what he believed he was there. The whole
Speaker 4: thing might have taken two minutes, and it changed his life.
Speaker 4: He says that no matter what anybody says, I know
Speaker 4: what I saw was real. And Patterson's wife now owns
Speaker 4: the video rights to this film. Although nobody knows where
Speaker 4: the original film is. It's gone. Nobody's getting millions of
Speaker 4: dollars or even ten thousand dollars for it, so that
Speaker 4: ship has passed. Renee Dahinden was the one who owned
Speaker 4: his kids now owned the rights, the photographic rights to
Speaker 4: this bigfoot. But again everybody violates that copyright. And you've
Speaker 4: seen this bigfoot thing all over the place. It's almost
Speaker 4: like public domain anymore. So again, if the argument with
Speaker 4: the Boo Birds is that people are doing this thing
Speaker 4: to make money, or that the Patterson Gimmlin film was
Speaker 4: just the way to make money, nobody's made money. Maybe
Speaker 4: you're making money, Brian, and maybe I'm making money writing
Speaker 4: about if Patterson and Gimblin weren't. So that's the travesty
Speaker 4: of all this.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned for more Sasquat Jotsy will be right
Speaker 1: back after these messages.
Speaker 4: But it's come full circle. I've been talking to this
Speaker 4: woman who is I believe the granddaughter of Bob Gimblin.
Speaker 4: I met her on Facebook and I'm trying to correspond
Speaker 4: and I'd love to sit down and have a chat
Speaker 4: with him more than anything else, That's what I really
Speaker 4: want to do. Just when I talked to him, just
Speaker 4: want to be in his presence because I'm in awe.
Speaker 3: This is the guy.
Speaker 4: He saw it and they videotaped it, but I get
Speaker 4: excited just thinking about him. I talk a lot about
Speaker 4: the Patterson Gimblin film in my book several times, and
Speaker 4: Robert Gimlin gets a lot of applause from me. I
Speaker 4: celebrate the guy, and he's almost like a deity to me.
Speaker 1: He Let's talk about that intense emotional reaction to Bigfoot,
Speaker 1: because it's one of the things that you cover in
Speaker 1: the book as well.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about that.
Speaker 1: Giving your background in psychology, how do you interpret this
Speaker 1: intense emotional reaction.
Speaker 3: That some people have to Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Whether you're a believer or a skeptic, you're on one
Speaker 1: side of the fence of the other when it comes
Speaker 1: to Bigfoot. I have an emotional attachment to Bigfoot. I
Speaker 1: make no qualms about it. Most people do, one way
Speaker 1: or the other. I've talked a little bit about the
Speaker 1: psychological effects of Bigfoot being in the zeitgeist for so long.
Speaker 1: It's been a part of pop culture for decades and
Speaker 1: decades and continues to permeate throughout pop culture. We're actually
Speaker 1: starting a new series of things that we're going to
Speaker 1: cover on this podcast about Bigfoot in pop culture and
Speaker 1: how people respond to it. Given your background in psychology,
Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about those emotional reactions and
Speaker 1: what do you think about that in general? What is
Speaker 1: it about bigfoot as a phenomenon that causes people to
Speaker 1: be so emotionally attached to.
Speaker 3: It one way or the other, whether you're a believer
Speaker 3: or a skeptic.
Speaker 4: There was a Holocaust or blaber named Victor Frankel, and
Speaker 4: he wrote a book in Search of Meaning. He said that, man,
Speaker 4: one of the things that we do as human beings
Speaker 4: is that we have a need to search for the truth,
Speaker 4: to figure things out, to have closure. So we're talking
Speaker 4: about something, we're trying to explain the unexplainable. We have
Speaker 4: some proof, we don't have definitive proof. We don't have
Speaker 4: the DNA, we don't have that flesh and blood. That's
Speaker 4: what we're looking for. So I think that there's this drive,
Speaker 4: this motivation with all of us to discover what that is.
Speaker 4: It's the Indiana Jones and all of us. For those
Speaker 4: people that are on their couch eating popcorn and just
Speaker 4: watching the game shows you, that's fine, God bless you
Speaker 4: if that's what you want to do. But we don't.
Speaker 4: We search, we talk, We expand the discussion. That's exciting,
Speaker 4: and that's living life. That's living now, doing what you
Speaker 4: want to do. I'll tell you what. When I was
Speaker 4: working on The Lost Tripes of Bigfoot, I was immersed
Speaker 4: in Sasquatch in history and mythology and culture and all
Speaker 4: that stuff. I was excited and I wanted to learn
Speaker 4: as much as I think. I want to write it
Speaker 4: in a way that was pleasing, acceptable, and respectful of
Speaker 4: the audience. I wanted to not only have the facts,
Speaker 4: but I wanted to go and juice it up, nake
Speaker 4: it artsy and poetic in a stream of consciousness in
Speaker 4: places not throughout the whole book. I don't want to
Speaker 4: make people gag. I'm proud of it. It's a well
Speaker 4: written book. I got excited in this, and even with
Speaker 4: the culture. I remember. Let me see it was I
Speaker 4: think it was nineteen fifty seven when they had The
Speaker 4: Abominable Snowman. That was a scary movie about Yetti. It
Speaker 4: was a black and white horror movie. I loved that movie.
Speaker 4: There was one before that called The Snow Beast or
Speaker 4: the Snow Creature of nineteen fifty four, which was they
Speaker 4: go to this unknown country in the Himalayas, they capture
Speaker 4: a yetti, they bring it to Los Angeles. It escapes
Speaker 4: through the tunnels and it's almost like a detective show.
Speaker 4: It's like cops and robbers in all cases, like your
Speaker 4: Sasquatch Odyssey. That shape was the shape that they used,
Speaker 4: certainly in the first American motion picture, which was The
Speaker 4: Snow Creature. I believe it was called nineteen fifty four.
Speaker 4: So throughout the years nineteen thirty three, with King Kong
Speaker 4: pictures of the Eddy and everything, we've got that idea,
Speaker 4: that image steered into our brains. What's interesting is that
Speaker 4: people that see Bigfoot they all report similar things, not
Speaker 4: only just a physical thing, but they talk about Bigfoot
Speaker 4: not walking but gliding. And they talk about the by
Speaker 4: location that Bigfoot is in one place and then another.
Speaker 4: You see them in front of you, then it's behind you,
Speaker 4: this by location thing. And they talk about the eyes,
Speaker 4: which is interesting that the eyes don't just reflect light,
Speaker 4: but they emit light. So there seems to be some
Speaker 4: kind of paranormal aspect to Bigfoot. That's what I take
Speaker 4: a look at partially in my book with the title
Speaker 4: The Lost Tripes of Bigfoot is metaphor for all of
Speaker 4: the things that we think it was, whether it's a
Speaker 4: remnant of Neanderthal, and some people believe that it was
Speaker 4: a need to throw relic. A missing link between uts
Speaker 4: and tapes that's still out there, and that is the
Speaker 4: link to Bigfoot or gigant Thropithecus, which was like a
Speaker 4: ten foot twelve foot eight that looked like an orangutang.
Speaker 4: They believe came over the Bearing Straight when the continents
Speaker 4: were connected and landed in North America. It looks like
Speaker 4: an orangutang and interesting. Lauren Coleman received a picture. I
Speaker 4: think there was this couple down in Florida. They lived
Speaker 4: in a trailer. They had a camera. I don't know
Speaker 4: if they had a camera that just took pictures that
Speaker 4: was set up there, but they took a picture of
Speaker 4: this creature that looked like an orangutang, and Lauren Coleman
Speaker 4: said it was either an orangutang that escaped or it
Speaker 4: was part of this whole swamp beast what do we
Speaker 4: call the skunkin in Florida. He wasn't quite sure, but
Speaker 4: he thought that it might have been that. Even where
Speaker 4: we lived by the Gulf side, there's a place called
Speaker 4: Silver Springs, Florida. They have monkeys there that escape the
Speaker 4: island and they're all over the place. So there's monkeys
Speaker 4: in Florida. There may be a Bigfoot relative too. Florida,
Speaker 4: by the way, is really huge on bickfoot. There's exposed
Speaker 4: believers and hunters and everything else. It's just pretty wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've done entire shows on the monkeys down there
Speaker 1: and Florida that are loose that people are encountering and
Speaker 1: whether it could be possible misidentifications for Bigfoot and other things. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a fascinating subject for sure. Let's talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about the Native American traditions involving Sasquatch. I think
Speaker 1: that's something that comes up often, but I think it
Speaker 1: gets a little lost in translation in my opinion, with
Speaker 1: some of the current research that's being done. How do
Speaker 1: you see the indigenous perspectives on Bigfoot? Do you think
Speaker 1: they're being overlooked? You think they're misunderstood in mainstream Bigfoot research.
Speaker 1: Did you get into that when you were doing the
Speaker 1: research for your book. What do you feel about this
Speaker 1: indigenous perspective on Bigfoot and traditions in folklore?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up because that's respectful
Speaker 4: and we need to talk about In Bluff Creek, they
Speaker 4: saw the tracks, I think it was the Humboldt News
Speaker 4: in northern California started to talk about bigfoot. So they
Speaker 4: wrote these articles about these tracks, and the loggers thought
Speaker 4: it was a bigfoot creature. The editor the newspaper started
Speaker 4: to receive thousands of letters in response to this. It
Speaker 4: was phenomenal. So the word bigfoot then went into the
Speaker 4: American lexicon there around that time in the fifties, so
Speaker 4: we knew about bigfoot, and we knew that there were
Speaker 4: bigfoot creatures in the Pacific Northwest. People were coming for
Speaker 4: and talking about that. There was a lot of excitement
Speaker 4: about that. But then the lore we looked into it,
Speaker 4: we found out the wait a second, this isn't a
Speaker 4: recent thing. This thing about bigfoot like creatures was happening
Speaker 4: for a long time with the indigenous peoples of British Columbia,
Speaker 4: and they talked about sasquatch and they talked about said
Speaker 4: that they could either be a blessing to see a
Speaker 4: sasquatch or maybe warning, so it was a little bit
Speaker 4: of both. They did talk about sasquatch and the Native
Speaker 4: Americans are more in tuned with nature than I think
Speaker 4: we are, only because I think we are so wrapped
Speaker 4: up in commercialism and civilization. Let's face it, John Muir
Speaker 4: said that civilization stifles our progress. We could probably be
Speaker 4: a lot more better, a lot more meditative, and a
Speaker 4: lot more spiritual if we didn't have all these commercial
Speaker 4: trappings that are holding us back. It's tough when the
Speaker 4: TVs and commercials and all the other the craziness. But
Speaker 4: we started to find out that the Pacific Coast people
Speaker 4: talked about this, and there's total polls, and there's stories
Speaker 4: and there's legends. The one thing that was pretty important
Speaker 4: was that they talk about Sashquatch warning people to preserve
Speaker 4: and honor the environment, the ecosystem. So these environmentalists have
Speaker 4: to really give credit where credit is due. This thing
Speaker 4: about preserving the environment has been around for a long
Speaker 4: time and it didn't come from the white man, from
Speaker 4: the indigenous people there. I'll tell you another thing too,
Speaker 4: with the new baul reached the newly rich people from India, China,
Speaker 4: all over the place and the United States and Europe
Speaker 4: going over to the Himalaya is going to those sacred
Speaker 4: mountains in search of YETI having their glamping where they
Speaker 4: spend thousands of dollars for real nice tents and everything,
Speaker 4: and you know they leave behind fecal matter, cans and trash.
Speaker 4: The whole area, like Catman do, is a gutter. It's
Speaker 4: a filthy place because of these eco tourists. And again,
Speaker 4: don't blame the ugly American. It's the ugly Homo sapiens
Speaker 4: from all over the world that are going there just
Speaker 4: for a lark, just for a thrill, just for a buzz,
Speaker 4: and desecrating what the Sherpas belief is a sacred holy mountain.
Speaker 4: That's disgusting. You know, when we talk about the excitement, adventure,
Speaker 4: and passion of searching for Sasquatch and the Yetti, that's
Speaker 4: one thing. Then when you look at some of the
Speaker 4: reality of what's happening there, it's just like horrible when
Speaker 4: you read these reports about that. Let's talk a little bit.
Speaker 1: About the high strangeness part. We touched on the UFO
Speaker 1: stuff earlier. There are these people that believe that these
Speaker 1: creatures are not just flesh and blood, but there may
Speaker 1: be a combination of an interdimensional being that has the
Speaker 1: ability to come and go as it pleases. I used
Speaker 1: to think that was complete bunk them, and I'm still
Speaker 1: on the flesh and blood train for the majority of
Speaker 1: my journey here. But there are some weird things that
Speaker 1: are associated with as you mentioned, the self illuminating eyes
Speaker 1: and some of the other things that people have experienced.
Speaker 1: Where are you on the possibility of these things being
Speaker 1: a little bit more than flesh and blood and possibly
Speaker 1: being interdimensional beings.
Speaker 4: I don't know who it was in Western Pennsylvania, but
Speaker 4: they called me give me the type, doctor wu. I'm
Speaker 4: an academic, but some of these flesh and blood guys,
Speaker 4: they talk about guys like me as being wool wherein
Speaker 4: doctor wooll. But I take that as something positive. I
Speaker 4: know it's used as a derogatory slur, but the people
Speaker 4: that are into the wool, I guess academics like me,
Speaker 4: we believe in my thing this. If it's not flesh
Speaker 4: and blood, then what is it. So let's take a
Speaker 4: look at some of those possibilities.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: Is it some sort of mass hallucination that we're all
Speaker 4: seeing the same thing for some reason and we're all
Speaker 4: conjuring up something is a Jungian collective unconscious where you
Speaker 4: go back to our ancestors who saw things of danger,
Speaker 4: and again you take these things. It's all about fight
Speaker 4: or flight, fight, slighter freeze. You capture this stuff in
Speaker 4: your amid de lah. Then when you're walking down that
Speaker 4: alley or you're walking through the woods and you see
Speaker 4: this creature, you search your amiddalah for a file that
Speaker 4: represents that. Is it friendly or is a foe? Is
Speaker 4: it danger? You'd do fight or flight or what? The
Speaker 4: Jungian philosophy is that what we see could be DNA
Speaker 4: remnants from way back when our caveman ancestors saw certain things.
Speaker 4: So that's a theory. It's just as good as the
Speaker 4: next one. But the one that I hang my hat
Speaker 4: on pretty much is the interdimensional theory. Jacques Vallet, John
Speaker 4: Kyl Einstein talked about that, and Einstein back in the
Speaker 4: thirties talked about the wormhole theory, that you could take
Speaker 4: a space time continue follow it and have a little
Speaker 4: hole there or a bridge, and you could get from
Speaker 4: one side to the other. And if you talk about
Speaker 4: in terms of intergalactic travel, these guys going millions of
Speaker 4: light years to go from A to B. I thought,
Speaker 4: how about if you were able to go and actually
Speaker 4: close or full dead space time continuum instead of going
Speaker 4: all those light years, you just traversed it through that
Speaker 4: wormhole book and a fraction of the second following up
Speaker 4: on that. If you believe in that interdimensional thing, that
Speaker 4: wormbole theory, the portal, then how about if maybe some
Speaker 4: of these things that some people see it some people don't,
Speaker 4: or we see them and then they disappear. How about
Speaker 4: if they're interdimensional, if they're able to go and cross
Speaker 4: into our reality and then back into their dimension and
Speaker 4: back and that's why we see them and why we don't.
Speaker 4: So again, that is probably one of the juiciest theories
Speaker 4: that a lot of people are taking a look at
Speaker 4: and seems to be gaining some popularity. What I want
Speaker 4: to do is research this further and see what makes
Speaker 4: sense it doesn't, Brian, This is the scientific method. Do
Speaker 4: you come up with the hypotheses and you've floated out
Speaker 4: there and scientists will take a look at it and say, yes,
Speaker 4: this works or no it doesn't. So that's what we
Speaker 4: need to do. I think we need to make our
Speaker 4: voices heard. I think we need to make our profession
Speaker 4: as sasquatch hunters or believers a little bit more academics
Speaker 4: and scientific to get not just the respect of the
Speaker 4: scientific community, but also their assistance to reach some conclusions
Speaker 4: rather than being laughed at and scoffed at by these
Speaker 4: academics who have this condescen and attitude.
Speaker 1: Let's definitely get into something here that has really stuck
Speaker 1: in my crawl. I've literally started in a podcast not
Speaker 1: specifically to talk about hoaxers, but two address the hoaxing
Speaker 1: issue that we have in bigfoot. You talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about that in your books. You mentioned Jerry Crew earlier.
Speaker 1: Let's get into some of the other cases that you've
Speaker 1: researched and taken a look at that you feel like
Speaker 1: has effected bigfoot research community, because I certainly think it
Speaker 1: has such a huge impact on not only researchers who
Speaker 1: have good evidence that try to put forward good evidence
Speaker 1: and do good research, good citizen scientists that go out
Speaker 1: into the woods and look for these creatures in the
Speaker 1: right way. In my opinion, how do you feel like
Speaker 1: in your research you have seen hoaxers and hoaxes that
Speaker 1: have affected the bigfoot community. Does it continue to affect
Speaker 1: it and what can we do to help stop it?
Speaker 4: Yes? I claim that these hoaxers have sold their souls.
Speaker 4: They sold their souls for their fifteen minutes of fame,
Speaker 4: or they are thirteen pieces of gold. Ray Wallace was
Speaker 4: the one. He was at the Bluff Creek. All over
Speaker 4: the internet you could see photos of Ray Wallace's fake
Speaker 4: footprints next to the Big Prince and you could tell
Speaker 4: their faith. They're just their slopy, their crappy. But he
Speaker 4: was called out. Lord Coleman disputed not just the tracks,
Speaker 4: but Wallace's notoriety and the media, like I said earlier,
Speaker 4: was giving him all this attention and the variety. And
Speaker 4: Coleman said, quote, fakery not revealed is a lie that
Speaker 4: lives on into the future.
Speaker 3: End quote.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more sasquat chat to see will be
Speaker 1: right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: I'm glad he did that. He went ahead with Ray Wallace,
Speaker 4: but he was a serial hoaxer and he was found out.
Speaker 4: He did a whole lot of things. He had a
Speaker 4: rubber gorilla suit that he claimed he found in Georgia,
Speaker 4: and just all kinds of other things. He's just like
Speaker 4: a nutcase. And I talk about Rick Dyer, he was
Speaker 4: the one. He was Ray Wallace's pal but he found
Speaker 4: the rubber gorilla suit he claimed was a big food
Speaker 4: that was in Georgia, and a bunch of other things.
Speaker 4: But I talk a lot about the pilt Down Man
Speaker 4: and the Minnesota Iceman. Those are interesting. The Piltdown Man,
Speaker 4: there was an attorney and an amateur fossil collector named
Speaker 4: Charles Dawson. What he did was he claimed that he
Speaker 4: found this thing called the Piltdown Man. Now they found
Speaker 4: out later that it was a hoax. It was an
Speaker 4: old human skull thousands of years old that he used
Speaker 4: iron oxide and everything else to make it look even older.
Speaker 4: He had an orangutang jaw. They filed down the teeth
Speaker 4: to make it look more human. But here's the thing
Speaker 4: in Germany. This is in England with Charles Dawson with
Speaker 4: the Piltdown Man. In Germany they had the Heidelberg Man. Now,
Speaker 4: the Heidelberg Man was an original hominoid that they found
Speaker 4: and it was millions of years old and everything. So
Speaker 4: Germany had their claim the same. This thing, the Piltdown Man,
Speaker 4: became a symbol of nationalism with Great Britain. So there
Speaker 4: were a lot of people, scientists and politicians that looked
Speaker 4: the other way, when Charles Dawson was bringing this out
Speaker 4: and showing this to the world, they didn't utilized the
Speaker 4: scientific method. It held science back for years and years
Speaker 4: because people were hanging on to that hoax. So they
Speaker 4: did a great disservice. They the politicians and the scientists
Speaker 4: who were doing this in the guise of flying that
Speaker 4: nationalistic flag. So that's how the piltdown Man was just
Speaker 4: wrapped up in just a whole lot of other things
Speaker 4: other than just a hoax. It became an important thing.
Speaker 4: They wanted it to be real. The other one was
Speaker 4: the Minnesota Iceman. There was this Carny Frank D. Hanson.
Speaker 4: Hanson claimed a whole lot of things. He claimed that
Speaker 4: he found this missing link floating in a case of
Speaker 4: ice off the coast of Siberia, and he also founded
Speaker 4: in a meat market in Japan, and all these other things.
Speaker 4: He kept on changing his story. But Ivan Sanderson and
Speaker 4: Bernard Holbemann and Olman was the father of crypto zoology.
Speaker 4: Ivan Sanderson coined the term crypto zoology. These got duped
Speaker 4: by the Minnesota icepan. They desperately wanted to find the
Speaker 4: missing link, so they took a look at this it
Speaker 4: was just a late Tech soup. They claimed that it
Speaker 4: was real. They claim that Frank Hansen changed the actual
Speaker 4: men Minnesota icepan to one of late texs and that's
Speaker 4: what they later saw. But they claimed that what they
Speaker 4: soul is true. But it clearly got duped and they
Speaker 4: were hoaxed. And again these were people that you know,
Speaker 4: we looked upon as people that were further in crypto zoology.
Speaker 4: But with the Minnesota Iceman, they got sucker punch and
Speaker 4: again that's a black eye for SaaS QUADTRII for all
Speaker 4: of us. When one person gets harm, real get harm.
Speaker 4: And in my book, I go after these hoaxers again.
Speaker 4: I claimed that they've sold their souls. There's nothing good
Speaker 4: about that. I'm sure that in our field we have
Speaker 4: people that claim that they've seen a sasquatch or two
Speaker 4: and maybe they're just saying that, but we don't know. Unfortunately,
Speaker 4: we have to take everybody's work at this. It's a
Speaker 4: matter of trust and respect. Everybody has our trust and
Speaker 4: respect until they prove us wrong. We have to realize
Speaker 4: when you talk about the whole tapestry of Bigfoot, you
Speaker 4: know the hoaxers are part of that as well as
Speaker 4: the popular culture. So it's hard to look at the
Speaker 4: whole zeitgeist without looking at some of these things that
Speaker 4: may be problematic. They are problematic.
Speaker 1: So in the book you also talk about some environmental
Speaker 1: aspects of bigfoot lore.
Speaker 3: I want to ask a two part question here.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about that, how do you feel
Speaker 1: the Sasquatch phenomenon has affected positive or negative wilderness conservation effort?
Speaker 1: Here's the second part of that question that I want
Speaker 1: to throw at you. Again, it's obviously an opinion question here,
Speaker 1: but some people say that the government is involved in
Speaker 1: some vast cover up. There's this huge conspiracy theory that
Speaker 1: the government is hiding everything that they know about Bigfoot
Speaker 1: because one of the arguments is the impact that it
Speaker 1: could have on conservation, it could have on the lumber industry.
Speaker 3: That's a two part question.
Speaker 1: How do you feel in general the Bigfoot phenomenon has
Speaker 1: affected positive or negative wilderness conservation efforts? And do you
Speaker 1: think there is a possibility that the government is covering
Speaker 1: up and there is some vast conspiracy to cover up
Speaker 1: Bigfoot by the government because of what it may do
Speaker 1: for conservation efforts and or the lumber industry.
Speaker 4: As far as the environmental thing. Yeah, I think there's
Speaker 4: a lot of people that go out into the woods
Speaker 4: looking for sas Qunch that respect the environment and realize
Speaker 4: that we have to preserve and all that. But I
Speaker 4: think we can do a better job with that. I
Speaker 4: think that Sasquatch seekers should have louder voices. I think
Speaker 4: that we should be advocates for the environment. I think
Speaker 4: if we did that, that's just like a wonderful mission
Speaker 4: that we can do. That sort of raises our visibility
Speaker 4: and our profile in a very positive way. Following the
Speaker 4: philosophy of job On Mure, the guy that started the
Speaker 4: Sierra Club, and it was a naturalist that talked about
Speaker 4: you could see God in the woods and you could
Speaker 4: find yourself and going into the woods is the way
Speaker 4: to discover the universe. He talked about the wilderness in
Speaker 4: godlike terms and spiritual terms. John Mure was one, There's
Speaker 4: th Row another. There has been a whole bunch of
Speaker 4: naturalists that have done this. So I think that we
Speaker 4: Sasquatch people need to do the same thing, but we
Speaker 4: need to be more passionate about it. I advocate for that.
Speaker 4: I think that's something that we definitely need to do.
Speaker 4: The other thing, that's a great question. Somebody brought that
Speaker 4: up just last week. Let's just say that the government
Speaker 4: took sasquat seriously and believed that there's cryptids out there.
Speaker 4: Somebody said that we got to go preserve them. We
Speaker 4: got to go and make sure that they don't become extinct.
Speaker 4: So the first thing that happens is that they would
Speaker 4: go and curtail logging in certain areas. They would go
Speaker 4: to restrict logging and with acreage and all that, they
Speaker 4: would have a preserve. Yeah, there would be a sh
Speaker 4: shootout and you could just see the sides, the people
Speaker 4: gathering sides, the environmentalists, the pro bigfoot versus the pro industry.
Speaker 4: It's a hard one. Even in places like California, there's
Speaker 4: a little chipmunk or something that's going extinct that they
Speaker 4: have laws where you can't log or doing anything in
Speaker 4: that area, so just to protect that. But there's plenty
Speaker 4: of examples of that. But I'll tell you what, with
Speaker 4: global warming, with all the things that are happening with
Speaker 4: climate change, there are more and more species that are
Speaker 4: being eliminated on a regular daily basis. But on the
Speaker 4: same token, these biologists discovering new species every day, So
Speaker 4: there's a hunt out there to go and find these
Speaker 4: unknown species. Why we still can't I have the statistic
Speaker 4: and the lost tribes of Bigfoot. I think there's only
Speaker 4: something like twenty eight percent of the species that are
Speaker 4: actually known and identified. That's how immense is. So then
Speaker 4: we're talking about insects, you know, birds and math. There's
Speaker 4: a lot out there that we don't know. I'm still
Speaker 4: holding out, even though I'm more into the intercimensional theory.
Speaker 4: I have my feet in both the realms. I still
Speaker 4: hope that we're going to find one. Treat it right,
Speaker 4: be respectful, think about that. What do we do if
Speaker 4: we find one?
Speaker 5: God?
Speaker 4: And that's crazy, man, I don't know what do we do.
Speaker 4: I think we all go crashy it at the same time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've actually.
Speaker 1: Talked about that on this show and on my other podcast,
Speaker 1: that Bigfoot Podcast, about having some conversations in the community
Speaker 1: as researchers having a standard operating procedure.
Speaker 3: There are individual groups who have that.
Speaker 1: The North American Wood Ape Conservancy that operate out an
Speaker 1: area X, they certainly have a protocol if they collect
Speaker 1: a specimen or they find one of these creatures that
Speaker 1: has passed away naturally.
Speaker 3: They have a protocol in place, and that's great for them,
Speaker 3: But what about me.
Speaker 1: I'm on forty acres here in North Carolina. If I
Speaker 1: go out and find a dead sasquatch tomorrow, who do
Speaker 1: I call? I've got my rollodex of people that I
Speaker 1: know in the community. I'm probably going to call doctor
Speaker 1: Jeff Meldrum, I'm gonna call barrackmin I'm gonna call Doug
Speaker 1: high Check. Doug would be the person that's on that list.
Speaker 1: But for Joe Shmoe, who's out hunting and maybe shoots
Speaker 1: one of these things, or if he finds one who's
Speaker 1: naturally passed away, there is no protocol, and I think
Speaker 1: we need to have some of those conversations. It's difficult
Speaker 1: because we can't even have conversations on whether they're flesh
Speaker 1: and blood or inter dimensional creatures. So it's very difficult
Speaker 1: to even have those kind of conversations. But I think
Speaker 1: we need to start moving in that direction in my opinion,
Speaker 1: because it's gonna happen. Eventually, somebody's gonna find one of
Speaker 1: these things. Something's gonna happen. They're gonna be discovered, and
Speaker 1: everybody's just gonna go off, the rails go into their
Speaker 1: own directions. I'm really concerned about what might happen. Let's
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the different cultural lenses that
Speaker 1: people see the Sasquatch phenomena through. Obviously it crosses cultures.
Speaker 1: Everybody sees this a little bit differently. What is your
Speaker 1: opinion on how culturally Bigfoot is seen and what do
Speaker 1: you think that tells us about the possible origins of
Speaker 1: these creatures. I'll tell you about with the culture of technology,
Speaker 1: with the younger demographics, what's happening is that bigfootism going away?
Speaker 4: Now it has more of a presence on the internet,
Speaker 4: on TV. There's more motion pictures coming out. A legend
Speaker 4: of Boggie Creek that sort of kicked off this thing
Speaker 4: that they didn't spend a whole lot of money to
Speaker 4: make it, and they raked in the money. Money is
Speaker 4: the incentive. Boggie Creek showed us that there's a way
Speaker 4: to go. So there's been a whole lot of documentaries
Speaker 4: made to support that culture of Bigfoot. But I think
Speaker 4: the culture is getting bigger. I think more people are
Speaker 4: talking about it. And in my book, I think the
Speaker 4: most controversial chapter in my book is Bigfoot the New Religion.
Speaker 4: When people go out into the woods and share that brotherhood,
Speaker 4: there's a bond, there's shared values, there's that camaraderie, there's
Speaker 4: that belief in a higher power. There's the sacrifice, the communion.
Speaker 4: Call it what you will do, and it's not disrespectful.
Speaker 4: It's just the way to. In my book, I talk
Speaker 4: about I'm a baby boomer. We were born between nineteen
Speaker 4: forty six and nineteen sixty four. In my chapter is
Speaker 4: Bigfoot in the Religion, sixty four percent of us Baby
Speaker 4: boomers believed in God and organized religion. So that's fine,
Speaker 4: that's our call, that's our business. With Generation Z, after
Speaker 4: Baby Boomers, we had Generation X, the millennials of Generation Z,
Speaker 4: Generation Z born after nineteen ninety seven, the oldest ones
Speaker 4: that were twenty seven years old. Twenty four percent of
Speaker 4: the Generation's Z believes in God or organized religion. So
Speaker 4: we went from like sixty four to twenty four. So
Speaker 4: whatever that's all about, I'm not quite sure. I think
Speaker 4: there's a lot of people are running away from organized
Speaker 4: religions for a lot of reasons. It's not satisfying because
Speaker 4: I'm giving them what they need, But man does need
Speaker 4: to worship and to have some sort of a spiritual component.
Speaker 4: But if we need to go and express that, how
Speaker 4: do we do it. I contend that for a lot
Speaker 4: of people, the search for Bigfoot becomes our church, our religion.
Speaker 4: I don't think that's a controversial thing. Maybe some Christians
Speaker 4: may think that it's being sacrilegious or defaming, but that's
Speaker 4: not my intent. It's just that it's just what it is.
Speaker 4: I remember reading an article about one of the Brazilian
Speaker 4: soccer players. That's a religion where whatever that guy's middle
Speaker 4: name was or whatever, Diego. All these guys down in
Speaker 4: South America were naming their kids Diego. It was like
Speaker 4: a religion. They get together and they go to the
Speaker 4: soccer matches, getting together for a common purpose. There's strength
Speaker 4: in numbers, that there's magic. It's just an amazing thing.
Speaker 4: I have all the respect for the people that look,
Speaker 4: you know, the flesh and blood hunters for scentspent I'm
Speaker 4: just asking, and it's really none of my business, but
Speaker 4: I'm just saying that we all collectively need to go
Speaker 4: and talk about the environment a little bit more than
Speaker 4: we have been to make that part of our platform.
Speaker 4: And who we are, we're respectful the environmental Again, going
Speaker 4: back to what you said about I like the idea
Speaker 4: of having a protocol. Should we find one, either a
Speaker 4: living one or a dead one, what do we do?
Speaker 4: We need a protocol. The other thing is, and listen
Speaker 4: to this, God forbid the person that shoots one man,
Speaker 4: they don't want to be on this planet. They want
Speaker 4: to take a ride to Neptune or Venus or someplace.
Speaker 4: Because that is that's a null, that's crossing a red line,
Speaker 4: that's a major violation.
Speaker 1: After you've written this book, you've gotten into the research,
Speaker 1: and you've dove headfirst into the Bigfoot phenomenon. Is there
Speaker 1: any compelling piece of evidence or group of compelling pieces
Speaker 1: of evidence for you that you have found that would
Speaker 1: convince you beyond the shadow of doubt without actually seeing
Speaker 1: one of these creatures of their existence. How do you
Speaker 1: feel about the arguments for or against that evidence, whether
Speaker 1: it be the anecdotal accounts that people share. Is it
Speaker 1: a piece of video, is it a culmination of those things?
Speaker 1: What is it for you as far as the evidence
Speaker 1: that we can vinci that these things.
Speaker 3: Are in fact real?
Speaker 4: Yeah, let me answer that, but let me go someplace
Speaker 4: else with us if I could. The one thing I
Speaker 4: found in my book is that there's a war going on.
Speaker 4: There's no love in Bigfootland. The scientists look down on
Speaker 4: the crypto zoologist, you know, some of the flesh and
Speaker 4: blood guys look down on people like me. I'm the
Speaker 4: doctor wu things like that. So, I mean there's infighting.
Speaker 4: Certainly in Western Pennsylvania. There's going to reach a point
Speaker 4: where there's oversaturation with all these experts. There's I don't
Speaker 4: know how many brand new expos have popped up in
Speaker 4: Western Pennsylvania, not only in Chestnut rich but in all
Speaker 4: the areas around that. It's huge. So it's a business.
Speaker 4: It's a cottage industry, but at some point we get
Speaker 4: tapped out. I was invited last year to Ellisburg to
Speaker 4: there what is it central Pennsylvania. The first time around,
Speaker 4: Gwen and Michael Purssell had something like five thousand people
Speaker 4: that came to a rural Realiesburg to check this out,
Speaker 4: which was really phenomenal to have that many people because
Speaker 4: most of these expos are in Western Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3: And stay tuned for more.
Speaker 1: Sasquat Jotasy will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: Again what I said with the proof, I think that
Speaker 4: the foot casts the gate. I think doctor Jeff Meldrome.
Speaker 4: I had a chance to meet him last year in
Speaker 4: the o'calla Florida Bigfoot Expo. Jeff was there a whole
Speaker 4: bunch of people. David plads with just a number of people.
Speaker 4: But he's been able to go and look at this
Speaker 4: scientifically and look at the stride the gate, measuring this
Speaker 4: and everything and comparing the locomotion of these cript kids
Speaker 4: with humans, finding that there's a lot of just impactful
Speaker 4: evidence that these bigfoot prints and strides are different than
Speaker 4: certainly bigger than human feet, bigger than their feet. A
Speaker 4: lot of people I have a chapter on the black Bears.
Speaker 4: There's some researchers that believe that we were mistaking a
Speaker 4: bigfoot for these black bears. Black bears may stand up
Speaker 4: and walk for a short time, but they walk on
Speaker 4: four legs, not on two. So the one thing too
Speaker 4: that caused me to have more of a belief my neighbor,
Speaker 4: and he's in the book. My neighbor is Joe Lipinski.
Speaker 4: Joe is a medical technician. Pretty sound mined that we
Speaker 4: were out for dinner and very nonchalantly. Joe told me
Speaker 4: that he saw not one, but two bigfoot. One was
Speaker 4: a larger black one, one was cinnamon. He saw them.
Speaker 4: He was in the cemetery, and he showed me exactly
Speaker 4: where they were. My wife and I went out there
Speaker 4: several times, walked along the tree line, walked along the
Speaker 4: trails to look for evidence the Bigfoot. They walked like humans.
Speaker 4: They turned around, it looked like him, like they were curious.
Speaker 4: And then they walked past the tree line into the thing.
Speaker 4: I called Stan Gordon, I called Eric Altman, I called
Speaker 4: Tim Renner. These are the Bigfoot guys in Pennsylvania. I
Speaker 4: gave them the information. Stan wrote it up, and I
Speaker 4: think the other guys that they called and took his statement.
Speaker 4: That's in my hometown. That's pretty bizarre.
Speaker 3: We've talked about it all evening long.
Speaker 1: Let's tell everybody where they can find the book, The
Speaker 1: Lost Tribes of Bigfoot. Do you have a website? Where's
Speaker 1: the best place for them to pick it up?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Well you could either call Hanger one, contact Haanger one.
Speaker 4: They could use the money more than Jeff Bezos. If
Speaker 4: you don't want to go to Hanger one, go to
Speaker 4: Amazon dot com. Jeff's a billionaire, but that's okay too.
Speaker 4: My website is www dot Maximfuric dot com and maxlam
Speaker 4: if youre ek dot com, so you can contact me
Speaker 4: there and look at my other books.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what.
Speaker 4: I'm having a wonderful ride. I've been doing this for
Speaker 4: a number of years. But the paranormal community has been
Speaker 4: very welcoming, warm and we can agree to disagree. That's fine,
Speaker 4: we don't have to be on the same page. But
Speaker 4: I think it's important. Ron Murphy said this. He said,
Speaker 4: it's important that we have this dialogue, we have this discussion,
Speaker 4: and that's what we're doing. Hopefully, at the end of
Speaker 4: the day we're going to come to some conclusions and
Speaker 4: some results, and that's all we're doing. In the meantime,
Speaker 4: these discussions are important. Again, Brian, I can't thank you
Speaker 4: enough for what you do with Sasquatch Odyssey, and in
Speaker 4: your good work, you're helping to bring more honor, respect,
Speaker 4: and dignity to our field.
Speaker 2: We need that.
Speaker 4: We need that with a scientific, common sense approach. Those
Speaker 4: are my two cents or my three cents. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: want to thank If your listeners are enjoying this podcast,
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Speaker 4: thing I'm going to say about that it has IBT.
Speaker 4: It has immersive book technology, and that is brand new
Speaker 4: for the field. I think it's eight places in my
Speaker 4: book you'll see a QR code, a bar code where
Speaker 4: you take your phone, your iPhone, just hit it with
Speaker 4: the camera and press a little yellow rectangle and then
Speaker 4: you'll see a three minute, four minute video of me
Speaker 4: doing a synopsis of these chapters, which will probably be
Speaker 4: in your next book too. It's really awesome technology. I
Speaker 4: can't believe it. It works works. I want to congratulate
Speaker 4: Doug and Alex Hidcheck for doing that, their trend setters,
Speaker 4: and just think about that, like this technology being utilized
Speaker 4: with a company, Hanger One that specializes in Bigfoot in UFOs.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is amazing. Not the Smithsonian or any
Speaker 4: other prestigious scientific magazine, but Hanger One that specializes in
Speaker 4: Bigfoot in UFOs. It's pretty amazing. Yeah, just the kudos
Speaker 4: for them.
Speaker 1: Excellent stuff. I will make it easy for you guys.
Speaker 1: It will be linked in the show notes. All you
Speaker 1: got to do is click the link right there, go
Speaker 1: check out the Lost Tribes of Bigfoot. Maxim, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for coming on the show. I've had a
Speaker 1: blast talk to you.
Speaker 4: Yeah YouTube, Brian, thank you, good luck with your career.
Speaker 4: Hopefully we talk again soon. And in one of your
Speaker 4: other podcasts, they say you don't have a go, but you.
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