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<v Speaker 1>Today, I want to tell you about a journey that

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<v Speaker 1>I've been on for most of my life. Ever since

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<v Speaker 1>I was a kid, I've heard tales of bigfoot and

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<v Speaker 1>wild men while spending time with my friends and family.

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<v Speaker 1>As I grew older and read more about the paranormal,

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<v Speaker 1>my interest in encryptids and other things strange only deepened.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going

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<v Speaker 2>on here. Something just kid with my dog, something to

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<v Speaker 2>kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there over

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<v Speaker 2>the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, damn,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming

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<v Speaker 2>over the fence and they would dead once you hit

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<v Speaker 2>the grill. I didn't see any cars. All I saw

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<v Speaker 2>was my dog coming over the fence. Sat what are

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<v Speaker 2>you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around

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<v Speaker 2>out here? Did you see what it was? It was

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<v Speaker 2>enough out here. Look, I'm new the window now and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need anything. I don't want to go outside. Hello,

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<v Speaker 2>hit the boddy out here? What quin on out there?

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<v Speaker 2>It's thought of a bitch about six foot nine. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. Easy ann out there? Yeah, I'm walking right.

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<v Speaker 3>Head all right, folks.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to welcome our guest to the show. It

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<v Speaker 1>is Maxim Furick. Welcome to the show, sir.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you Brian. Great to be here. Looking forward to

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<v Speaker 4>a chat with you and sasquatch Otto seas should be

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>As always, I am glad to talk to you as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get right into it. You've got a story background,

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<v Speaker 1>You've got quite the history. Let's start there. Tell everybody

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about your background, your history, and what

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<v Speaker 1>brought you to the point of writing a.

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<v Speaker 4>Book about Bigfoot. Yeah, good question. But first of all,

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<v Speaker 4>we all got our backstory. So we all got our

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<v Speaker 4>ups and downs, our wins and our losses and all that,

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<v Speaker 4>just like anybody else. But I'm an author, I'm a writer,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a creative guy. I'm a former rock journalist. I

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<v Speaker 4>was in northeastern Pennsylvania. Our claim the fame was that

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<v Speaker 4>we had a hit record called Timothy. It was in

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<v Speaker 4>nineteen seventy one, and we got coal mines up back

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<v Speaker 4>called We're like hardcore people Anthracide Cold. There were a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of coal miners there, a lot of indentured servants

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<v Speaker 4>and a little breaker boys, ten year old kids that

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<v Speaker 4>they send down into the mine. So we got a

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<v Speaker 4>real storied history there. Anyway, nineteen seventy one there was

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<v Speaker 4>a song called Timothy. It was by a Wocksbaro Pennsylvania

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<v Speaker 4>band called the Boys b all Ys. Timothy was about

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<v Speaker 4>cannibalism and a mind shaft. So that song went to

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<v Speaker 4>number thirteen on Billboard and it was the highest charting

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<v Speaker 4>song of any rock act in northeastern Pennsylvania. So, as

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<v Speaker 4>a rock journalist, I wanted to write a book. Was

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<v Speaker 4>researching it. I found out that Timothy the song paralleled

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<v Speaker 4>things that happened in Shepton. The nineteen sixty three Shepton

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<v Speaker 4>My disaster, same story. Three guys go down into the

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<v Speaker 4>mine for their trap. There for two weeks, only two

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<v Speaker 4>come out. The townspeople want to know what happened to

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<v Speaker 4>your buddy. There were allegations of cannibalism back then in

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<v Speaker 4>sixty three as well as now, including Johnny Boba, who

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<v Speaker 4>was the son of the guy that allegedly was cannibalized,

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<v Speaker 4>and Johnny believes that they ate his dad. Every time

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<v Speaker 4>they interview him they say this. So that was bizarre.

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<v Speaker 4>The more I investigated Shepton, the more I got into

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<v Speaker 4>a paranormal realm. So just a whole lot of bizarre

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<v Speaker 4>things happened in Shepton. Out of body experiences, near death experiences,

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<v Speaker 4>after life experiences. They saw humanoid creatures, they saw Pope

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<v Speaker 4>John the twenty third, who had died in June. Shepton

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<v Speaker 4>took place in August. It's just a lot of crazy,

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<v Speaker 4>bizarre things. So that book, Shepton Miracle and Music Pertains

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<v Speaker 4>to Timothy the song that took off really big. Then

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<v Speaker 4>I decided to follow that up with another paranormal book

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<v Speaker 4>that was sort of Sylvania centric and every state, every

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<v Speaker 4>locale has their own weirdness. Coal Region. I ripped off

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<v Speaker 4>the name Khudu from the Bayou. I thought, what the help,

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<v Speaker 4>we'll use it. We'll put it here up here in

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<v Speaker 4>the Coal Region. So I have two chapters there on Bigfoot,

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<v Speaker 4>and we have bickfoot sightings here. Pennsylvania reputably is the

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<v Speaker 4>number third state after California and Washington with bickfoot sidings,

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<v Speaker 4>especially in western Pennsylvania, the Chestnut Ridge area. So I

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<v Speaker 4>wrote this book had two chapters for some reason, and

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<v Speaker 4>this was twenty twenty three that people read those two chapters.

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<v Speaker 4>So I got invited to all these bigfoot expos here

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<v Speaker 4>in Pennsylvania. They're popping up left and right, and they're

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<v Speaker 4>cannibalizing each other. At some point it's going to reach

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<v Speaker 4>a point of saturation, but we're having fun.

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<v Speaker 3>We're having a.

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<v Speaker 4>Bigfoot origin in Pennsylvania right now.

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<v Speaker 2>So be it.

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<v Speaker 4>I decided I was really intrigued with Bigfoot, all of

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<v Speaker 4>the aspects of it and all of the theories. I

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<v Speaker 4>started to read books by Jeff Meldrum, Lauren Coleman, and

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<v Speaker 4>Nick Redfern and all the ones. So I decided to

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<v Speaker 4>do my own book. I had been interviewed by doctor

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<v Speaker 4>Dean Bertram on his Talking Weird program. Dean told me

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<v Speaker 4>about Hangar one and Doug Hicheck. He thought that it

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<v Speaker 4>might be a good hook up, so I contacted him.

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<v Speaker 4>I told him about the book I was working on,

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<v Speaker 4>and they got pretty excited. The Lost Tribes of Bigfoot.

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<v Speaker 4>As we're speaking now, it only came out like maybe

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<v Speaker 4>four days ago, so we're getting a lot of interest.

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<v Speaker 4>I've been getting a lot of calls guys like you,

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<v Speaker 4>so I really appreciate this, and I'm looking forward to

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<v Speaker 4>having a place at the table where I could also

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<v Speaker 4>discuss my feelings about Sasquatch, what it is and all that.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's basically where I am. But you know how

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<v Speaker 4>it is when you first get that book, when that

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<v Speaker 4>book is published, when the Lost Tribes on Bigfoot came out,

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<v Speaker 4>When I first got that book and held it just

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<v Speaker 4>like called a baby. I love what they did in

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<v Speaker 4>the back. There's my rock and roll persona. That's an

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<v Speaker 4>Gretwitch village. That's a club loob. Yeah. I'm just excited.

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<v Speaker 4>And we're fellow Hanger one authors, which is cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>My book Sasquatch Unleased The Truth Behind the Legend, just

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<v Speaker 1>came out in March of this year, and I've had

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<v Speaker 1>a phenomenal experience. I've had a long history with Doug

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<v Speaker 1>and Alex and Blaine and those guys over a Hanger

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<v Speaker 1>one and the Until Radio Network, so I am stoked

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<v Speaker 1>as well to be a part.

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<v Speaker 3>Of that group.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get right into the book. Let's talk about some

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<v Speaker 1>of the things. I've got some questions here. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to dive into. Some of the things that you covered

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<v Speaker 1>in this book are frankly some of the things I

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<v Speaker 1>covered in my book as well. I'm very interested in.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get into the UFO and Bigfoot connection. It's on

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's mind when it comes to Bigfoot. You got this

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<v Speaker 1>flesh and blood camp, you got this wo and high

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<v Speaker 1>strangeness camp, and some people think they're flying around on

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<v Speaker 1>UFOs and they're dropping them off to use the bathroom

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever they're doing here on Earth.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's dive into that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of the things that I have struggled with

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<v Speaker 1>my Bigfoot journey, if you will, So let's talk a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about where you are on this possible connection.

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<v Speaker 3>Between Bigfoot and UFOs. What you think about that thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, First of all, when I first heard about Bigfoot

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<v Speaker 4>and UFOs together, I said, no, this is crazy. I

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<v Speaker 4>refused to believe that. I was just like, I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 4>of that. This is just stupid, this is over the top.

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<v Speaker 4>But the more I researched this, the more I'm seeing

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<v Speaker 4>the connection that they not only see Bigfoot, but that

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<v Speaker 4>they see saucers or orbs, they see Wird's things. A

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<v Speaker 4>lot of this was happening in western Pennsylvania. We had

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<v Speaker 4>the syria called Chestnut Ridge. Even though they say it's

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<v Speaker 4>only four county, it's actually more than that, Like even

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<v Speaker 4>Green County. He was a guy named Kevin Paul that

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<v Speaker 4>writes about all the high strangeness in Green County. Stan Gordon,

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<v Speaker 4>You're lucky because we have a guy named Stan Gordon,

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<v Speaker 4>and standard is like the Caper of the Keys. When

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<v Speaker 4>we had the Kecksburg crash, the UFO crash in December

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<v Speaker 4>of nineteen sixty five, Stan was there. He documented it,

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<v Speaker 4>wrote books, had a documentary and that sort of got

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<v Speaker 4>him started on this thing. Then he started to write

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<v Speaker 4>about bigfoot out in western Pennsylvania. Stan Gordon is the

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<v Speaker 4>guy that documents all this stuff. Whenever there's a bigfoot

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<v Speaker 4>or UFO sighting, whenever they call the state police and

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<v Speaker 4>will say call Stan Gordon. So the Stan Gordon's number

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<v Speaker 4>ready to give to these people. So Stan has been

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<v Speaker 4>keeping a list of this. He documents all these sightings,

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<v Speaker 4>like mister and Missus Jones going to the outhouse and

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<v Speaker 4>they see a bigfoot family, they see a bigfoot with orbs,

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<v Speaker 4>or they see a bigfoot in flying saucers. There were

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<v Speaker 4>so many examples of bigfoot sasquatch creatures along with UFOs,

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<v Speaker 4>along with flying saucers that I felt that there was something.

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<v Speaker 4>There was a strong connection there, but it was a

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<v Speaker 4>paranormal connection. Now again, whatever that is, we don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>But I figure the best I can do as a researcher,

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<v Speaker 4>if that's what I amazon bigfoot author, the best I

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<v Speaker 4>could do is come up with terminologies, slots, genre and

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<v Speaker 4>categories and say that bigfoot and UFOs slot into this,

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<v Speaker 4>this is where they are. If we can do that

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<v Speaker 4>and then discuss that and you have people either validated

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<v Speaker 4>or criticize it. But then I think that's the discussion

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<v Speaker 4>we need to have. But I think there's a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of commonality between UFOs and Bigfoot. For example, a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of the saucer people are looking for nuts and bolts.

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<v Speaker 4>They want proof that this thing exists. We've been looking

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<v Speaker 4>for that, certainly since Roles Well in nineteen forty seven,

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<v Speaker 4>but even earlier than that, since the days before Christ.

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<v Speaker 4>People have seen things in the sky. Some people are

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<v Speaker 4>looking for flesh and blood, so we're looking for proof.

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<v Speaker 4>On that note, we have a whole lot of things.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, the art proof. I think there's three things

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<v Speaker 4>basically that are proof that Bigfoot exists. You know, one,

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<v Speaker 4>the eyewitness accounts, and not just eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable,

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<v Speaker 4>but we've had accounts of numerous people too, or more

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<v Speaker 4>people seeing Bigfoot at the same time, so that to

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<v Speaker 4>me is credibility. The other thing is with people like

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<v Speaker 4>doctor Jeff Meldrum, Groper Krantz, all these people that catalogued

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<v Speaker 4>the Bigfoot cast. They would go to these places where

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<v Speaker 4>they saw the prince and make cast out of it.

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<v Speaker 4>We know that Ray Wallace was the hoaxer, and he

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<v Speaker 4>Lauren Coleman called him out. Lauren Coleman was the one

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<v Speaker 4>what he did and what he didn't do, and how

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<v Speaker 4>Stripes of Bigfoot is the Patterson gimlun film that's been

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<v Speaker 4>that they watch it. And it's not a person in

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<v Speaker 4>a suit, because you could see the muscles, you could

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<v Speaker 4>see the butt muscles. Patty turns around and looks at

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<v Speaker 4>Patterson and then goes and runs away. And a couple

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<v Speaker 4>of things about this one. Right, if you and I

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<v Speaker 4>is only fifty eight seconds. Again, it shows this female bigfoot.

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<v Speaker 4>then walking away. Some people feel that what it was

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<v Speaker 4>But it was going in a circular way like animals do,

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<v Speaker 4>because there were little bigfoot creatures close and they were

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<v Speaker 4>trying to take Patterson and Gimlin, the two horses Plint

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<v Speaker 4>other bigfoot is. So that's one of the theories. Patterson

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<v Speaker 4>They were interesting individuals, him and his brother in law.

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<v Speaker 4>After the sighting, Patterson and Gimblin became estranged. They didn't

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<v Speaker 4>this thing. So that was his motivation behind it. Jimlin

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<v Speaker 4>forty days and nights in the desert. He just rode

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<v Speaker 4>his force up and down the Pacific Coast Highway. Bob

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<v Speaker 4>Giblin right now is I think eighty seven years old.

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<v Speaker 4>He was keeping a low profile until the members of

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<v Speaker 4>to all these Bigfoot conferences and conventions, and he's like

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<v Speaker 4>the Saint. I talk about that in my book. From

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<v Speaker 4>being crucified and castigated, criticized and everything else, it's come

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<v Speaker 4>around that he's all become Saint Robert Gimlin. They love him,

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<v Speaker 4>They hang on every word, and they just want to

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<v Speaker 4>hear him tell again and again what he saw, what

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<v Speaker 4>he felt, what he believed he was there. The whole

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<v Speaker 4>thing might have taken two minutes, and it changed his life.

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<v Speaker 4>He says that no matter what anybody says, I know

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<v Speaker 4>what I saw was real. And Patterson's wife now owns

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<v Speaker 4>the video rights to this film. Although nobody knows where

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<v Speaker 4>the original film is. It's gone. Nobody's getting millions of

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<v Speaker 4>ship has passed. Renee Dahinden was the one who owned

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<v Speaker 4>his kids now owned the rights, the photographic rights to

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<v Speaker 4>this bigfoot. But again everybody violates that copyright. And you've

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<v Speaker 4>seen this bigfoot thing all over the place. It's almost

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<v Speaker 4>like public domain anymore. So again, if the argument with

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<v Speaker 4>the Boo Birds is that people are doing this thing

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<v Speaker 4>to make money, or that the Patterson Gimmlin film was

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<v Speaker 4>just the way to make money, nobody's made money. Maybe

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<v Speaker 4>you're making money, Brian, and maybe I'm making money writing

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<v Speaker 4>about if Patterson and Gimblin weren't. So that's the travesty

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<v Speaker 1>And stay tuned for more Sasquat Jotsy will be right

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<v Speaker 1>back after these messages.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's come full circle. I've been talking to this

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<v Speaker 4>I met her on Facebook and I'm trying to correspond

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<v Speaker 4>with him more than anything else, That's what I really

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<v Speaker 4>want to do. Just when I talked to him, just

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<v Speaker 4>want to be in his presence because I'm in awe.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the guy.

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<v Speaker 4>He saw it and they videotaped it, but I get

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<v Speaker 4>excited just thinking about him. I talk a lot about

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<v Speaker 4>the Patterson Gimblin film in my book several times, and

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<v Speaker 4>Robert Gimlin gets a lot of applause from me. I

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<v Speaker 1>He Let's talk about that intense emotional reaction to Bigfoot,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's one of the things that you cover in

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<v Speaker 3>Let's talk about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Giving your background in psychology, how do you interpret this

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<v Speaker 3>That some people have to Bigfoot.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether you're a believer or a skeptic, you're on one

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<v Speaker 1>to Bigfoot. I have an emotional attachment to Bigfoot. I

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<v Speaker 1>make no qualms about it. Most people do, one way

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<v Speaker 1>or the other. I've talked a little bit about the

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<v Speaker 1>psychological effects of Bigfoot being in the zeitgeist for so long.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a part of pop culture for decades and

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<v Speaker 1>decades and continues to permeate throughout pop culture. We're actually

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<v Speaker 1>how people respond to it. Given your background in psychology,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk a little bit about those emotional reactions and

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think about that in general? What is

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<v Speaker 1>it about bigfoot as a phenomenon that causes people to

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<v Speaker 3>It one way or the other, whether you're a believer

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<v Speaker 3>or a skeptic.

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<v Speaker 4>There was a Holocaust or blaber named Victor Frankel, and

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<v Speaker 4>he wrote a book in Search of Meaning. He said that, man,

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<v Speaker 4>one of the things that we do as human beings

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<v Speaker 4>is that we have a need to search for the truth,

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<v Speaker 4>to figure things out, to have closure. So we're talking

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<v Speaker 4>about something, we're trying to explain the unexplainable. We have

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<v Speaker 4>some proof, we don't have definitive proof. We don't have

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<v Speaker 4>the DNA, we don't have that flesh and blood. That's

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<v Speaker 4>what we're looking for. So I think that there's this drive,

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<v Speaker 4>this motivation with all of us to discover what that is.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the Indiana Jones and all of us. For those

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<v Speaker 4>people that are on their couch eating popcorn and just

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<v Speaker 4>watching the game shows you, that's fine, God bless you

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<v Speaker 4>if that's what you want to do. But we don't.

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<v Speaker 4>We search, we talk, We expand the discussion. That's exciting,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's living life. That's living now, doing what you

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<v Speaker 4>want to do. I'll tell you what. When I was

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<v Speaker 4>working on The Lost Tripes of Bigfoot, I was immersed

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<v Speaker 4>in Sasquatch in history and mythology and culture and all

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<v Speaker 4>that stuff. I was excited and I wanted to learn

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<v Speaker 4>as much as I think. I want to write it

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<v Speaker 4>in a way that was pleasing, acceptable, and respectful of

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<v Speaker 4>but I wanted to go and juice it up, nake

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<v Speaker 4>it artsy and poetic in a stream of consciousness in

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<v Speaker 4>places not throughout the whole book. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 4>make people gag. I'm proud of it. It's a well

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<v Speaker 4>written book. I got excited in this, and even with

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<v Speaker 4>the culture. I remember. Let me see it was I

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<v Speaker 4>think it was nineteen fifty seven when they had The

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<v Speaker 4>Abominable Snowman. That was a scary movie about Yetti. It

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<v Speaker 4>There was one before that called The Snow Beast or

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<v Speaker 4>the Snow Creature of nineteen fifty four, which was they

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<v Speaker 4>a yetti, they bring it to Los Angeles. It escapes

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<v Speaker 4>through the tunnels and it's almost like a detective show.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like cops and robbers in all cases, like your

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<v Speaker 4>Sasquatch Odyssey. That shape was the shape that they used,

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<v Speaker 4>certainly in the first American motion picture, which was The

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<v Speaker 4>So throughout the years nineteen thirty three, with King Kong

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<v Speaker 4>pictures of the Eddy and everything, we've got that idea,

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<v Speaker 4>that image steered into our brains. What's interesting is that

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<v Speaker 4>people that see Bigfoot they all report similar things, not

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<v Speaker 4>only just a physical thing, but they talk about Bigfoot

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<v Speaker 4>not walking but gliding. And they talk about the by

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<v Speaker 4>location that Bigfoot is in one place and then another.

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<v Speaker 4>You see them in front of you, then it's behind you,

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<v Speaker 4>this by location thing. And they talk about the eyes,

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<v Speaker 4>which is interesting that the eyes don't just reflect light,

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<v Speaker 4>but they emit light. So there seems to be some

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<v Speaker 4>kind of paranormal aspect to Bigfoot. That's what I take

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<v Speaker 4>a look at partially in my book with the title

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<v Speaker 4>the things that we think it was, whether it's a

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<v Speaker 4>remnant of Neanderthal, and some people believe that it was

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<v Speaker 4>a need to throw relic. A missing link between uts

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<v Speaker 4>and tapes that's still out there, and that is the

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<v Speaker 4>link to Bigfoot or gigant Thropithecus, which was like a

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<v Speaker 4>ten foot twelve foot eight that looked like an orangutang.

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<v Speaker 4>They believe came over the Bearing Straight when the continents

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<v Speaker 4>an orangutang and interesting. Lauren Coleman received a picture. I

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<v Speaker 4>think there was this couple down in Florida. They lived

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<v Speaker 4>in a trailer. They had a camera. I don't know

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<v Speaker 4>if they had a camera that just took pictures that

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<v Speaker 4>was set up there, but they took a picture of

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<v Speaker 4>this creature that looked like an orangutang, and Lauren Coleman

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<v Speaker 4>said it was either an orangutang that escaped or it

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<v Speaker 4>was part of this whole swamp beast what do we

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<v Speaker 4>call the skunkin in Florida. He wasn't quite sure, but

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<v Speaker 4>he thought that it might have been that. Even where

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<v Speaker 4>we lived by the Gulf side, there's a place called

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<v Speaker 4>Silver Springs, Florida. They have monkeys there that escape the

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<v Speaker 4>island and they're all over the place. So there's monkeys

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<v Speaker 4>in Florida. There may be a Bigfoot relative too. Florida,

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<v Speaker 4>by the way, is really huge on bickfoot. There's exposed

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<v Speaker 4>believers and hunters and everything else. It's just pretty wild.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we've done entire shows on the monkeys down there

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<v Speaker 1>and Florida that are loose that people are encountering and

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<v Speaker 1>whether it could be possible misidentifications for Bigfoot and other things. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a fascinating subject for sure. Let's talk a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about the Native American traditions involving Sasquatch. I think

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<v Speaker 1>gets a little lost in translation in my opinion, with

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<v Speaker 1>you see the indigenous perspectives on Bigfoot? Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>they're being overlooked? You think they're misunderstood in mainstream Bigfoot research.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you get into that when you were doing the

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<v Speaker 1>research for your book. What do you feel about this

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up because that's respectful

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<v Speaker 4>and we need to talk about In Bluff Creek, they

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<v Speaker 4>saw the tracks, I think it was the Humboldt News

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<v Speaker 4>in northern California started to talk about bigfoot. So they

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<v Speaker 4>wrote these articles about these tracks, and the loggers thought

415
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<v Speaker 4>it was a bigfoot creature. The editor the newspaper started

416
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<v Speaker 4>to receive thousands of letters in response to this. It

417
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<v Speaker 4>was phenomenal. So the word bigfoot then went into the

418
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<v Speaker 4>American lexicon there around that time in the fifties, so

419
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<v Speaker 4>we knew about bigfoot, and we knew that there were

420
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<v Speaker 4>bigfoot creatures in the Pacific Northwest. People were coming for

421
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<v Speaker 4>and talking about that. There was a lot of excitement

422
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<v Speaker 4>about that. But then the lore we looked into it,

423
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<v Speaker 4>we found out the wait a second, this isn't a

424
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<v Speaker 4>recent thing. This thing about bigfoot like creatures was happening

425
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<v Speaker 4>for a long time with the indigenous peoples of British Columbia,

426
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<v Speaker 4>and they talked about sasquatch and they talked about said

427
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<v Speaker 4>that they could either be a blessing to see a

428
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<v Speaker 4>sasquatch or maybe warning, so it was a little bit

429
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<v Speaker 4>of both. They did talk about sasquatch and the Native

430
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<v Speaker 4>Americans are more in tuned with nature than I think

431
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<v Speaker 4>we are, only because I think we are so wrapped

432
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<v Speaker 4>up in commercialism and civilization. Let's face it, John Muir

433
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<v Speaker 4>said that civilization stifles our progress. We could probably be

434
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<v Speaker 4>a lot more better, a lot more meditative, and a

435
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<v Speaker 4>lot more spiritual if we didn't have all these commercial

436
00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:29.000
<v Speaker 4>trappings that are holding us back. It's tough when the

437
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<v Speaker 4>TVs and commercials and all the other the craziness. But

438
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<v Speaker 4>we started to find out that the Pacific Coast people

439
00:23:35.519 --> 00:23:38.519
<v Speaker 4>talked about this, and there's total polls, and there's stories

440
00:23:38.559 --> 00:23:41.880
<v Speaker 4>and there's legends. The one thing that was pretty important

441
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<v Speaker 4>was that they talk about Sashquatch warning people to preserve

442
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<v Speaker 4>and honor the environment, the ecosystem. So these environmentalists have

443
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<v Speaker 4>to really give credit where credit is due. This thing

444
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<v Speaker 4>about preserving the environment has been around for a long

445
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<v Speaker 4>time and it didn't come from the white man, from

446
00:24:00.759 --> 00:24:03.240
<v Speaker 4>the indigenous people there. I'll tell you another thing too,

447
00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:08.960
<v Speaker 4>with the new baul reached the newly rich people from India, China,

448
00:24:09.480 --> 00:24:11.559
<v Speaker 4>all over the place and the United States and Europe

449
00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:14.440
<v Speaker 4>going over to the Himalaya is going to those sacred

450
00:24:14.519 --> 00:24:18.160
<v Speaker 4>mountains in search of YETI having their glamping where they

451
00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:21.079
<v Speaker 4>spend thousands of dollars for real nice tents and everything,

452
00:24:21.400 --> 00:24:24.920
<v Speaker 4>and you know they leave behind fecal matter, cans and trash.

453
00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:28.559
<v Speaker 4>The whole area, like Catman do, is a gutter. It's

454
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<v Speaker 4>a filthy place because of these eco tourists. And again,

455
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<v Speaker 4>don't blame the ugly American. It's the ugly Homo sapiens

456
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<v Speaker 4>from all over the world that are going there just

457
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<v Speaker 4>for a lark, just for a thrill, just for a buzz,

458
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<v Speaker 4>and desecrating what the Sherpas belief is a sacred holy mountain.

459
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<v Speaker 4>That's disgusting. You know, when we talk about the excitement, adventure,

460
00:24:50.480 --> 00:24:53.839
<v Speaker 4>and passion of searching for Sasquatch and the Yetti, that's

461
00:24:53.920 --> 00:24:55.599
<v Speaker 4>one thing. Then when you look at some of the

462
00:24:55.680 --> 00:24:59.400
<v Speaker 4>reality of what's happening there, it's just like horrible when

463
00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:02.279
<v Speaker 4>you read these reports about that. Let's talk a little bit.

464
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<v Speaker 1>About the high strangeness part. We touched on the UFO

465
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<v Speaker 1>stuff earlier. There are these people that believe that these

466
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<v Speaker 1>creatures are not just flesh and blood, but there may

467
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<v Speaker 1>be a combination of an interdimensional being that has the

468
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<v Speaker 1>ability to come and go as it pleases. I used

469
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<v Speaker 1>to think that was complete bunk them, and I'm still

470
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<v Speaker 1>on the flesh and blood train for the majority of

471
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<v Speaker 1>my journey here. But there are some weird things that

472
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<v Speaker 1>are associated with as you mentioned, the self illuminating eyes

473
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<v Speaker 1>and some of the other things that people have experienced.

474
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<v Speaker 1>Where are you on the possibility of these things being

475
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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more than flesh and blood and possibly

476
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<v Speaker 1>being interdimensional beings.

477
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<v Speaker 4>I don't know who it was in Western Pennsylvania, but

478
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<v Speaker 4>they called me give me the type, doctor wu. I'm

479
00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:47.000
<v Speaker 4>an academic, but some of these flesh and blood guys,

480
00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:50.039
<v Speaker 4>they talk about guys like me as being wool wherein

481
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<v Speaker 4>doctor wooll. But I take that as something positive. I

482
00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:56.000
<v Speaker 4>know it's used as a derogatory slur, but the people

483
00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:58.359
<v Speaker 4>that are into the wool, I guess academics like me,

484
00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:01.519
<v Speaker 4>we believe in my thing this. If it's not flesh

485
00:26:01.599 --> 00:26:03.559
<v Speaker 4>and blood, then what is it. So let's take a

486
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<v Speaker 4>look at some of those possibilities.

487
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<v Speaker 2>Now.

488
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<v Speaker 4>Is it some sort of mass hallucination that we're all

489
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<v Speaker 4>seeing the same thing for some reason and we're all

490
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<v Speaker 4>conjuring up something is a Jungian collective unconscious where you

491
00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:21.720
<v Speaker 4>go back to our ancestors who saw things of danger,

492
00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:25.240
<v Speaker 4>and again you take these things. It's all about fight

493
00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:29.119
<v Speaker 4>or flight, fight, slighter freeze. You capture this stuff in

494
00:26:29.240 --> 00:26:31.599
<v Speaker 4>your amid de lah. Then when you're walking down that

495
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<v Speaker 4>alley or you're walking through the woods and you see

496
00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:38.000
<v Speaker 4>this creature, you search your amiddalah for a file that

497
00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:40.960
<v Speaker 4>represents that. Is it friendly or is a foe? Is

498
00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:43.559
<v Speaker 4>it danger? You'd do fight or flight or what? The

499
00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:47.720
<v Speaker 4>Jungian philosophy is that what we see could be DNA

500
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<v Speaker 4>remnants from way back when our caveman ancestors saw certain things.

501
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<v Speaker 4>So that's a theory. It's just as good as the

502
00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:57.240
<v Speaker 4>next one. But the one that I hang my hat

503
00:26:57.319 --> 00:27:01.960
<v Speaker 4>on pretty much is the interdimensional theory. Jacques Vallet, John

504
00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:05.920
<v Speaker 4>Kyl Einstein talked about that, and Einstein back in the

505
00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:08.960
<v Speaker 4>thirties talked about the wormhole theory, that you could take

506
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<v Speaker 4>a space time continue follow it and have a little

507
00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:15.319
<v Speaker 4>hole there or a bridge, and you could get from

508
00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:18.440
<v Speaker 4>one side to the other. And if you talk about

509
00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:22.680
<v Speaker 4>in terms of intergalactic travel, these guys going millions of

510
00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:25.440
<v Speaker 4>light years to go from A to B. I thought,

511
00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:26.839
<v Speaker 4>how about if you were able to go and actually

512
00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:30.359
<v Speaker 4>close or full dead space time continuum instead of going

513
00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:33.000
<v Speaker 4>all those light years, you just traversed it through that

514
00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:37.200
<v Speaker 4>wormhole book and a fraction of the second following up

515
00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:40.640
<v Speaker 4>on that. If you believe in that interdimensional thing, that

516
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:44.640
<v Speaker 4>wormbole theory, the portal, then how about if maybe some

517
00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:48.200
<v Speaker 4>of these things that some people see it some people don't,

518
00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:50.119
<v Speaker 4>or we see them and then they disappear. How about

519
00:27:50.119 --> 00:27:52.839
<v Speaker 4>if they're interdimensional, if they're able to go and cross

520
00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:56.160
<v Speaker 4>into our reality and then back into their dimension and

521
00:27:56.359 --> 00:27:59.359
<v Speaker 4>back and that's why we see them and why we don't.

522
00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:03.519
<v Speaker 4>So again, that is probably one of the juiciest theories

523
00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:06.079
<v Speaker 4>that a lot of people are taking a look at

524
00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:09.279
<v Speaker 4>and seems to be gaining some popularity. What I want

525
00:28:09.319 --> 00:28:12.319
<v Speaker 4>to do is research this further and see what makes

526
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:14.839
<v Speaker 4>sense it doesn't, Brian, This is the scientific method. Do

527
00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:17.960
<v Speaker 4>you come up with the hypotheses and you've floated out

528
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:20.559
<v Speaker 4>there and scientists will take a look at it and say, yes,

529
00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:24.279
<v Speaker 4>this works or no it doesn't. So that's what we

530
00:28:24.440 --> 00:28:26.440
<v Speaker 4>need to do. I think we need to make our

531
00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:31.200
<v Speaker 4>voices heard. I think we need to make our profession

532
00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:35.720
<v Speaker 4>as sasquatch hunters or believers a little bit more academics

533
00:28:35.759 --> 00:28:39.799
<v Speaker 4>and scientific to get not just the respect of the

534
00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:44.440
<v Speaker 4>scientific community, but also their assistance to reach some conclusions

535
00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:48.400
<v Speaker 4>rather than being laughed at and scoffed at by these

536
00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:51.480
<v Speaker 4>academics who have this condescen and attitude.

537
00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:54.400
<v Speaker 1>Let's definitely get into something here that has really stuck

538
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<v Speaker 1>in my crawl. I've literally started in a podcast not

539
00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:01.480
<v Speaker 1>specifically to talk about hoaxers, but two address the hoaxing

540
00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:04.240
<v Speaker 1>issue that we have in bigfoot. You talk a little

541
00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:06.680
<v Speaker 1>bit about that in your books. You mentioned Jerry Crew earlier.

542
00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:08.799
<v Speaker 1>Let's get into some of the other cases that you've

543
00:29:09.559 --> 00:29:12.200
<v Speaker 1>researched and taken a look at that you feel like

544
00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:15.440
<v Speaker 1>has effected bigfoot research community, because I certainly think it

545
00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:19.720
<v Speaker 1>has such a huge impact on not only researchers who

546
00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:22.839
<v Speaker 1>have good evidence that try to put forward good evidence

547
00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:26.680
<v Speaker 1>and do good research, good citizen scientists that go out

548
00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:28.559
<v Speaker 1>into the woods and look for these creatures in the

549
00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:31.559
<v Speaker 1>right way. In my opinion, how do you feel like

550
00:29:31.839 --> 00:29:35.200
<v Speaker 1>in your research you have seen hoaxers and hoaxes that

551
00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:38.599
<v Speaker 1>have affected the bigfoot community. Does it continue to affect

552
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:40.799
<v Speaker 1>it and what can we do to help stop it?

553
00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:44.759
<v Speaker 4>Yes? I claim that these hoaxers have sold their souls.

554
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:46.960
<v Speaker 4>They sold their souls for their fifteen minutes of fame,

555
00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:49.960
<v Speaker 4>or they are thirteen pieces of gold. Ray Wallace was

556
00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:52.759
<v Speaker 4>the one. He was at the Bluff Creek. All over

557
00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:57.599
<v Speaker 4>the internet you could see photos of Ray Wallace's fake

558
00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:01.160
<v Speaker 4>footprints next to the Big Prince and you could tell

559
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:04.519
<v Speaker 4>their faith. They're just their slopy, their crappy. But he

560
00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:08.880
<v Speaker 4>was called out. Lord Coleman disputed not just the tracks,

561
00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:12.519
<v Speaker 4>but Wallace's notoriety and the media, like I said earlier,

562
00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:14.599
<v Speaker 4>was giving him all this attention and the variety. And

563
00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:18.680
<v Speaker 4>Coleman said, quote, fakery not revealed is a lie that

564
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<v Speaker 4>lives on into the future.

565
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<v Speaker 3>End quote.

566
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<v Speaker 1>Stay tuned for more sasquat chat to see will be

567
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<v Speaker 1>right back after these messages.

568
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<v Speaker 4>I'm glad he did that. He went ahead with Ray Wallace,

569
00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:36.400
<v Speaker 4>but he was a serial hoaxer and he was found out.

570
00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:37.799
<v Speaker 4>He did a whole lot of things. He had a

571
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:41.440
<v Speaker 4>rubber gorilla suit that he claimed he found in Georgia,

572
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:44.000
<v Speaker 4>and just all kinds of other things. He's just like

573
00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:47.920
<v Speaker 4>a nutcase. And I talk about Rick Dyer, he was

574
00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:50.279
<v Speaker 4>the one. He was Ray Wallace's pal but he found

575
00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:52.759
<v Speaker 4>the rubber gorilla suit he claimed was a big food

576
00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:54.720
<v Speaker 4>that was in Georgia, and a bunch of other things.

577
00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:57.519
<v Speaker 4>But I talk a lot about the pilt Down Man

578
00:30:58.039 --> 00:31:02.319
<v Speaker 4>and the Minnesota Iceman. Those are interesting. The Piltdown Man,

579
00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:06.680
<v Speaker 4>there was an attorney and an amateur fossil collector named

580
00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:10.079
<v Speaker 4>Charles Dawson. What he did was he claimed that he

581
00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:13.319
<v Speaker 4>found this thing called the Piltdown Man. Now they found

582
00:31:13.359 --> 00:31:15.759
<v Speaker 4>out later that it was a hoax. It was an

583
00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:20.079
<v Speaker 4>old human skull thousands of years old that he used

584
00:31:20.200 --> 00:31:23.960
<v Speaker 4>iron oxide and everything else to make it look even older.

585
00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:28.400
<v Speaker 4>He had an orangutang jaw. They filed down the teeth

586
00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:30.799
<v Speaker 4>to make it look more human. But here's the thing

587
00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:34.640
<v Speaker 4>in Germany. This is in England with Charles Dawson with

588
00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:37.640
<v Speaker 4>the Piltdown Man. In Germany they had the Heidelberg Man. Now,

589
00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:41.279
<v Speaker 4>the Heidelberg Man was an original hominoid that they found

590
00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:43.839
<v Speaker 4>and it was millions of years old and everything. So

591
00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:47.440
<v Speaker 4>Germany had their claim the same. This thing, the Piltdown Man,

592
00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:51.920
<v Speaker 4>became a symbol of nationalism with Great Britain. So there

593
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:54.759
<v Speaker 4>were a lot of people, scientists and politicians that looked

594
00:31:54.799 --> 00:31:58.079
<v Speaker 4>the other way, when Charles Dawson was bringing this out

595
00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:00.480
<v Speaker 4>and showing this to the world, they didn't utilized the

596
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:04.839
<v Speaker 4>scientific method. It held science back for years and years

597
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:07.839
<v Speaker 4>because people were hanging on to that hoax. So they

598
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:12.519
<v Speaker 4>did a great disservice. They the politicians and the scientists

599
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:15.160
<v Speaker 4>who were doing this in the guise of flying that

600
00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:20.480
<v Speaker 4>nationalistic flag. So that's how the piltdown Man was just

601
00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:23.039
<v Speaker 4>wrapped up in just a whole lot of other things

602
00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:26.319
<v Speaker 4>other than just a hoax. It became an important thing.

603
00:32:26.680 --> 00:32:28.880
<v Speaker 4>They wanted it to be real. The other one was

604
00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:33.400
<v Speaker 4>the Minnesota Iceman. There was this Carny Frank D. Hanson.

605
00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:36.319
<v Speaker 4>Hanson claimed a whole lot of things. He claimed that

606
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:40.079
<v Speaker 4>he found this missing link floating in a case of

607
00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:44.000
<v Speaker 4>ice off the coast of Siberia, and he also founded

608
00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:47.480
<v Speaker 4>in a meat market in Japan, and all these other things.

609
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:50.440
<v Speaker 4>He kept on changing his story. But Ivan Sanderson and

610
00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:55.240
<v Speaker 4>Bernard Holbemann and Olman was the father of crypto zoology.

611
00:32:55.759 --> 00:33:00.920
<v Speaker 4>Ivan Sanderson coined the term crypto zoology. These got duped

612
00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:05.160
<v Speaker 4>by the Minnesota icepan. They desperately wanted to find the

613
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:07.839
<v Speaker 4>missing link, so they took a look at this it

614
00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:11.039
<v Speaker 4>was just a late Tech soup. They claimed that it

615
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:17.680
<v Speaker 4>was real. They claim that Frank Hansen changed the actual

616
00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:21.519
<v Speaker 4>men Minnesota icepan to one of late texs and that's

617
00:33:21.559 --> 00:33:24.880
<v Speaker 4>what they later saw. But they claimed that what they

618
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:27.000
<v Speaker 4>soul is true. But it clearly got duped and they

619
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:30.079
<v Speaker 4>were hoaxed. And again these were people that you know,

620
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:33.720
<v Speaker 4>we looked upon as people that were further in crypto zoology.

621
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<v Speaker 4>But with the Minnesota Iceman, they got sucker punch and

622
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:42.200
<v Speaker 4>again that's a black eye for SaaS QUADTRII for all

623
00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:44.960
<v Speaker 4>of us. When one person gets harm, real get harm.

624
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.759
<v Speaker 4>And in my book, I go after these hoaxers again.

625
00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:50.880
<v Speaker 4>I claimed that they've sold their souls. There's nothing good

626
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:53.200
<v Speaker 4>about that. I'm sure that in our field we have

627
00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:56.640
<v Speaker 4>people that claim that they've seen a sasquatch or two

628
00:33:56.839 --> 00:33:59.960
<v Speaker 4>and maybe they're just saying that, but we don't know. Unfortunately,

629
00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:03.160
<v Speaker 4>we have to take everybody's work at this. It's a

630
00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:06.759
<v Speaker 4>matter of trust and respect. Everybody has our trust and

631
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:09.280
<v Speaker 4>respect until they prove us wrong. We have to realize

632
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:12.840
<v Speaker 4>when you talk about the whole tapestry of Bigfoot, you

633
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:16.039
<v Speaker 4>know the hoaxers are part of that as well as

634
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:19.119
<v Speaker 4>the popular culture. So it's hard to look at the

635
00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:22.360
<v Speaker 4>whole zeitgeist without looking at some of these things that

636
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:25.760
<v Speaker 4>may be problematic. They are problematic.

637
00:34:25.880 --> 00:34:28.639
<v Speaker 1>So in the book you also talk about some environmental

638
00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:30.000
<v Speaker 1>aspects of bigfoot lore.

639
00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:32.519
<v Speaker 3>I want to ask a two part question here.

640
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:34.519
<v Speaker 1>I want to talk about that, how do you feel

641
00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:40.280
<v Speaker 1>the Sasquatch phenomenon has affected positive or negative wilderness conservation effort?

642
00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:42.239
<v Speaker 1>Here's the second part of that question that I want

643
00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:47.039
<v Speaker 1>to throw at you. Again, it's obviously an opinion question here,

644
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:50.800
<v Speaker 1>but some people say that the government is involved in

645
00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:54.360
<v Speaker 1>some vast cover up. There's this huge conspiracy theory that

646
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:57.239
<v Speaker 1>the government is hiding everything that they know about Bigfoot

647
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:01.320
<v Speaker 1>because one of the arguments is the impact that it

648
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:05.079
<v Speaker 1>could have on conservation, it could have on the lumber industry.

649
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:06.360
<v Speaker 3>That's a two part question.

650
00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:10.400
<v Speaker 1>How do you feel in general the Bigfoot phenomenon has

651
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:14.119
<v Speaker 1>affected positive or negative wilderness conservation efforts? And do you

652
00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:17.079
<v Speaker 1>think there is a possibility that the government is covering

653
00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:20.519
<v Speaker 1>up and there is some vast conspiracy to cover up

654
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Bigfoot by the government because of what it may do

655
00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:26.519
<v Speaker 1>for conservation efforts and or the lumber industry.

656
00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:29.480
<v Speaker 4>As far as the environmental thing. Yeah, I think there's

657
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:31.360
<v Speaker 4>a lot of people that go out into the woods

658
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:34.719
<v Speaker 4>looking for sas Qunch that respect the environment and realize

659
00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:37.119
<v Speaker 4>that we have to preserve and all that. But I

660
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:39.599
<v Speaker 4>think we can do a better job with that. I

661
00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:44.800
<v Speaker 4>think that Sasquatch seekers should have louder voices. I think

662
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:48.119
<v Speaker 4>that we should be advocates for the environment. I think

663
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:51.559
<v Speaker 4>if we did that, that's just like a wonderful mission

664
00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:55.280
<v Speaker 4>that we can do. That sort of raises our visibility

665
00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:58.960
<v Speaker 4>and our profile in a very positive way. Following the

666
00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:02.360
<v Speaker 4>philosophy of job On Mure, the guy that started the

667
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:05.079
<v Speaker 4>Sierra Club, and it was a naturalist that talked about

668
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:07.400
<v Speaker 4>you could see God in the woods and you could

669
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:10.320
<v Speaker 4>find yourself and going into the woods is the way

670
00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:14.159
<v Speaker 4>to discover the universe. He talked about the wilderness in

671
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:17.920
<v Speaker 4>godlike terms and spiritual terms. John Mure was one, There's

672
00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:20.079
<v Speaker 4>th Row another. There has been a whole bunch of

673
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:22.119
<v Speaker 4>naturalists that have done this. So I think that we

674
00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:25.800
<v Speaker 4>Sasquatch people need to do the same thing, but we

675
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:29.320
<v Speaker 4>need to be more passionate about it. I advocate for that.

676
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:31.559
<v Speaker 4>I think that's something that we definitely need to do.

677
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:35.239
<v Speaker 4>The other thing, that's a great question. Somebody brought that

678
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:39.199
<v Speaker 4>up just last week. Let's just say that the government

679
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:43.559
<v Speaker 4>took sasquat seriously and believed that there's cryptids out there.

680
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:45.800
<v Speaker 4>Somebody said that we got to go preserve them. We

681
00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:48.000
<v Speaker 4>got to go and make sure that they don't become extinct.

682
00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:50.760
<v Speaker 4>So the first thing that happens is that they would

683
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:53.880
<v Speaker 4>go and curtail logging in certain areas. They would go

684
00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:57.000
<v Speaker 4>to restrict logging and with acreage and all that, they

685
00:36:57.039 --> 00:36:59.920
<v Speaker 4>would have a preserve. Yeah, there would be a sh

686
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:02.960
<v Speaker 4>shootout and you could just see the sides, the people

687
00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:09.079
<v Speaker 4>gathering sides, the environmentalists, the pro bigfoot versus the pro industry.

688
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:12.639
<v Speaker 4>It's a hard one. Even in places like California, there's

689
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:16.400
<v Speaker 4>a little chipmunk or something that's going extinct that they

690
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:19.039
<v Speaker 4>have laws where you can't log or doing anything in

691
00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:21.559
<v Speaker 4>that area, so just to protect that. But there's plenty

692
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:23.840
<v Speaker 4>of examples of that. But I'll tell you what, with

693
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:27.599
<v Speaker 4>global warming, with all the things that are happening with

694
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:31.280
<v Speaker 4>climate change, there are more and more species that are

695
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:35.719
<v Speaker 4>being eliminated on a regular daily basis. But on the

696
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:41.480
<v Speaker 4>same token, these biologists discovering new species every day, So

697
00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:44.400
<v Speaker 4>there's a hunt out there to go and find these

698
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:47.840
<v Speaker 4>unknown species. Why we still can't I have the statistic

699
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:50.840
<v Speaker 4>and the lost tribes of Bigfoot. I think there's only

700
00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:53.840
<v Speaker 4>something like twenty eight percent of the species that are

701
00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:57.280
<v Speaker 4>actually known and identified. That's how immense is. So then

702
00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:00.599
<v Speaker 4>we're talking about insects, you know, birds and math. There's

703
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:03.280
<v Speaker 4>a lot out there that we don't know. I'm still

704
00:38:03.400 --> 00:38:07.159
<v Speaker 4>holding out, even though I'm more into the intercimensional theory.

705
00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:10.559
<v Speaker 4>I have my feet in both the realms. I still

706
00:38:11.039 --> 00:38:14.519
<v Speaker 4>hope that we're going to find one. Treat it right,

707
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:17.039
<v Speaker 4>be respectful, think about that. What do we do if

708
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:17.679
<v Speaker 4>we find one?

709
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:17.920
<v Speaker 5>God?

710
00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:21.280
<v Speaker 4>And that's crazy, man, I don't know what do we do.

711
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:23.840
<v Speaker 4>I think we all go crashy it at the same time.

712
00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:25.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we've actually.

713
00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:28.199
<v Speaker 1>Talked about that on this show and on my other podcast,

714
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:32.400
<v Speaker 1>that Bigfoot Podcast, about having some conversations in the community

715
00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:35.559
<v Speaker 1>as researchers having a standard operating procedure.

716
00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:37.480
<v Speaker 3>There are individual groups who have that.

717
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:40.079
<v Speaker 1>The North American Wood Ape Conservancy that operate out an

718
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:43.239
<v Speaker 1>area X, they certainly have a protocol if they collect

719
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:45.360
<v Speaker 1>a specimen or they find one of these creatures that

720
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:46.480
<v Speaker 1>has passed away naturally.

721
00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:49.800
<v Speaker 3>They have a protocol in place, and that's great for them,

722
00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:50.840
<v Speaker 3>But what about me.

723
00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:53.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm on forty acres here in North Carolina. If I

724
00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:55.920
<v Speaker 1>go out and find a dead sasquatch tomorrow, who do

725
00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:58.360
<v Speaker 1>I call? I've got my rollodex of people that I

726
00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:00.800
<v Speaker 1>know in the community. I'm probably going to call doctor

727
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Jeff Meldrum, I'm gonna call barrackmin I'm gonna call Doug

728
00:39:03.960 --> 00:39:06.239
<v Speaker 1>high Check. Doug would be the person that's on that list.

729
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:10.079
<v Speaker 1>But for Joe Shmoe, who's out hunting and maybe shoots

730
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:12.039
<v Speaker 1>one of these things, or if he finds one who's

731
00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:15.159
<v Speaker 1>naturally passed away, there is no protocol, and I think

732
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:17.800
<v Speaker 1>we need to have some of those conversations. It's difficult

733
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:20.599
<v Speaker 1>because we can't even have conversations on whether they're flesh

734
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:23.320
<v Speaker 1>and blood or inter dimensional creatures. So it's very difficult

735
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:25.199
<v Speaker 1>to even have those kind of conversations. But I think

736
00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:28.559
<v Speaker 1>we need to start moving in that direction in my opinion,

737
00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:31.519
<v Speaker 1>because it's gonna happen. Eventually, somebody's gonna find one of

738
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:34.480
<v Speaker 1>these things. Something's gonna happen. They're gonna be discovered, and

739
00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:37.360
<v Speaker 1>everybody's just gonna go off, the rails go into their

740
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:40.480
<v Speaker 1>own directions. I'm really concerned about what might happen. Let's

741
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:42.920
<v Speaker 1>talk a little bit about the different cultural lenses that

742
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:47.800
<v Speaker 1>people see the Sasquatch phenomena through. Obviously it crosses cultures.

743
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:50.960
<v Speaker 1>Everybody sees this a little bit differently. What is your

744
00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:54.639
<v Speaker 1>opinion on how culturally Bigfoot is seen and what do

745
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:57.559
<v Speaker 1>you think that tells us about the possible origins of

746
00:39:57.639 --> 00:40:02.000
<v Speaker 1>these creatures. I'll tell you about with the culture of technology,

747
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:07.079
<v Speaker 1>with the younger demographics, what's happening is that bigfootism going away?

748
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:10.960
<v Speaker 4>Now it has more of a presence on the internet,

749
00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:15.039
<v Speaker 4>on TV. There's more motion pictures coming out. A legend

750
00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:17.840
<v Speaker 4>of Boggie Creek that sort of kicked off this thing

751
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:21.119
<v Speaker 4>that they didn't spend a whole lot of money to

752
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:23.559
<v Speaker 4>make it, and they raked in the money. Money is

753
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:26.159
<v Speaker 4>the incentive. Boggie Creek showed us that there's a way

754
00:40:26.199 --> 00:40:28.880
<v Speaker 4>to go. So there's been a whole lot of documentaries

755
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:32.920
<v Speaker 4>made to support that culture of Bigfoot. But I think

756
00:40:33.159 --> 00:40:36.599
<v Speaker 4>the culture is getting bigger. I think more people are

757
00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:38.519
<v Speaker 4>talking about it. And in my book, I think the

758
00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:43.119
<v Speaker 4>most controversial chapter in my book is Bigfoot the New Religion.

759
00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:47.800
<v Speaker 4>When people go out into the woods and share that brotherhood,

760
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:52.119
<v Speaker 4>there's a bond, there's shared values, there's that camaraderie, there's

761
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:56.760
<v Speaker 4>that belief in a higher power. There's the sacrifice, the communion.

762
00:40:56.960 --> 00:40:59.239
<v Speaker 4>Call it what you will do, and it's not disrespectful.

763
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:01.599
<v Speaker 4>It's just the way to. In my book, I talk

764
00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:04.360
<v Speaker 4>about I'm a baby boomer. We were born between nineteen

765
00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:08.000
<v Speaker 4>forty six and nineteen sixty four. In my chapter is

766
00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:11.800
<v Speaker 4>Bigfoot in the Religion, sixty four percent of us Baby

767
00:41:11.840 --> 00:41:15.800
<v Speaker 4>boomers believed in God and organized religion. So that's fine,

768
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:19.039
<v Speaker 4>that's our call, that's our business. With Generation Z, after

769
00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:23.679
<v Speaker 4>Baby Boomers, we had Generation X, the millennials of Generation Z,

770
00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:28.880
<v Speaker 4>Generation Z born after nineteen ninety seven, the oldest ones

771
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:32.119
<v Speaker 4>that were twenty seven years old. Twenty four percent of

772
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:36.920
<v Speaker 4>the Generation's Z believes in God or organized religion. So

773
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:39.199
<v Speaker 4>we went from like sixty four to twenty four. So

774
00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:43.960
<v Speaker 4>whatever that's all about, I'm not quite sure. I think

775
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:45.920
<v Speaker 4>there's a lot of people are running away from organized

776
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:48.079
<v Speaker 4>religions for a lot of reasons. It's not satisfying because

777
00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:50.760
<v Speaker 4>I'm giving them what they need, But man does need

778
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:54.639
<v Speaker 4>to worship and to have some sort of a spiritual component.

779
00:41:54.679 --> 00:41:56.679
<v Speaker 4>But if we need to go and express that, how

780
00:41:56.760 --> 00:41:59.440
<v Speaker 4>do we do it. I contend that for a lot

781
00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:03.880
<v Speaker 4>of people, the search for Bigfoot becomes our church, our religion.

782
00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:07.559
<v Speaker 4>I don't think that's a controversial thing. Maybe some Christians

783
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:11.400
<v Speaker 4>may think that it's being sacrilegious or defaming, but that's

784
00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:14.000
<v Speaker 4>not my intent. It's just that it's just what it is.

785
00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:17.119
<v Speaker 4>I remember reading an article about one of the Brazilian

786
00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:21.400
<v Speaker 4>soccer players. That's a religion where whatever that guy's middle

787
00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:24.199
<v Speaker 4>name was or whatever, Diego. All these guys down in

788
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:27.719
<v Speaker 4>South America were naming their kids Diego. It was like

789
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:29.960
<v Speaker 4>a religion. They get together and they go to the

790
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:35.440
<v Speaker 4>soccer matches, getting together for a common purpose. There's strength

791
00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:39.480
<v Speaker 4>in numbers, that there's magic. It's just an amazing thing.

792
00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:42.119
<v Speaker 4>I have all the respect for the people that look,

793
00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:45.840
<v Speaker 4>you know, the flesh and blood hunters for scentspent I'm

794
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:48.519
<v Speaker 4>just asking, and it's really none of my business, but

795
00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:51.000
<v Speaker 4>I'm just saying that we all collectively need to go

796
00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:54.880
<v Speaker 4>and talk about the environment a little bit more than

797
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:58.000
<v Speaker 4>we have been to make that part of our platform.

798
00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:01.199
<v Speaker 4>And who we are, we're respectful the environmental Again, going

799
00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:03.440
<v Speaker 4>back to what you said about I like the idea

800
00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:06.480
<v Speaker 4>of having a protocol. Should we find one, either a

801
00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:07.920
<v Speaker 4>living one or a dead one, what do we do?

802
00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:10.960
<v Speaker 4>We need a protocol. The other thing is, and listen

803
00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:15.039
<v Speaker 4>to this, God forbid the person that shoots one man,

804
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:16.840
<v Speaker 4>they don't want to be on this planet. They want

805
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:19.960
<v Speaker 4>to take a ride to Neptune or Venus or someplace.

806
00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:24.480
<v Speaker 4>Because that is that's a null, that's crossing a red line,

807
00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:26.440
<v Speaker 4>that's a major violation.

808
00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:29.760
<v Speaker 1>After you've written this book, you've gotten into the research,

809
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:33.760
<v Speaker 1>and you've dove headfirst into the Bigfoot phenomenon. Is there

810
00:43:33.880 --> 00:43:37.880
<v Speaker 1>any compelling piece of evidence or group of compelling pieces

811
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:40.800
<v Speaker 1>of evidence for you that you have found that would

812
00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:43.440
<v Speaker 1>convince you beyond the shadow of doubt without actually seeing

813
00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:46.239
<v Speaker 1>one of these creatures of their existence. How do you

814
00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:50.239
<v Speaker 1>feel about the arguments for or against that evidence, whether

815
00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:53.519
<v Speaker 1>it be the anecdotal accounts that people share. Is it

816
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:57.039
<v Speaker 1>a piece of video, is it a culmination of those things?

817
00:43:57.519 --> 00:43:59.519
<v Speaker 1>What is it for you as far as the evidence

818
00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:01.159
<v Speaker 1>that we can vinci that these things.

819
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:02.000
<v Speaker 3>Are in fact real?

820
00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:05.519
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, let me answer that, but let me go someplace

821
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:07.280
<v Speaker 4>else with us if I could. The one thing I

822
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:09.440
<v Speaker 4>found in my book is that there's a war going on.

823
00:44:09.880 --> 00:44:13.639
<v Speaker 4>There's no love in Bigfootland. The scientists look down on

824
00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:16.760
<v Speaker 4>the crypto zoologist, you know, some of the flesh and

825
00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:19.480
<v Speaker 4>blood guys look down on people like me. I'm the

826
00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:22.760
<v Speaker 4>doctor wu things like that. So, I mean there's infighting.

827
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:26.519
<v Speaker 4>Certainly in Western Pennsylvania. There's going to reach a point

828
00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:30.599
<v Speaker 4>where there's oversaturation with all these experts. There's I don't

829
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<v Speaker 4>know how many brand new expos have popped up in

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<v Speaker 4>Western Pennsylvania, not only in Chestnut rich but in all

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<v Speaker 4>the areas around that. It's huge. So it's a business.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a cottage industry, but at some point we get

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<v Speaker 4>tapped out. I was invited last year to Ellisburg to

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<v Speaker 4>there what is it central Pennsylvania. The first time around,

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<v Speaker 4>Gwen and Michael Purssell had something like five thousand people

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<v Speaker 4>that came to a rural Realiesburg to check this out,

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<v Speaker 4>which was really phenomenal to have that many people because

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<v Speaker 4>most of these expos are in Western Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 3>And stay tuned for more.

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<v Speaker 1>Sasquat Jotasy will be right back after these messages.

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<v Speaker 4>Again what I said with the proof, I think that

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<v Speaker 4>the foot casts the gate. I think doctor Jeff Meldrome.

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<v Speaker 4>I had a chance to meet him last year in

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<v Speaker 4>the o'calla Florida Bigfoot Expo. Jeff was there a whole

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<v Speaker 4>bunch of people. David plads with just a number of people.

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<v Speaker 4>But he's been able to go and look at this

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<v Speaker 4>scientifically and look at the stride the gate, measuring this

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<v Speaker 4>and everything and comparing the locomotion of these cript kids

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<v Speaker 4>with humans, finding that there's a lot of just impactful

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<v Speaker 4>evidence that these bigfoot prints and strides are different than

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<v Speaker 4>certainly bigger than human feet, bigger than their feet. A

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<v Speaker 4>lot of people I have a chapter on the black Bears.

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<v Speaker 4>There's some researchers that believe that we were mistaking a

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<v Speaker 4>bigfoot for these black bears. Black bears may stand up

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<v Speaker 4>and walk for a short time, but they walk on

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<v Speaker 4>four legs, not on two. So the one thing too

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<v Speaker 4>that caused me to have more of a belief my neighbor,

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<v Speaker 4>and he's in the book. My neighbor is Joe Lipinski.

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<v Speaker 4>Joe is a medical technician. Pretty sound mined that we

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<v Speaker 4>were out for dinner and very nonchalantly. Joe told me

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<v Speaker 4>that he saw not one, but two bigfoot. One was

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<v Speaker 4>a larger black one, one was cinnamon. He saw them.

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<v Speaker 4>He was in the cemetery, and he showed me exactly

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<v Speaker 4>where they were. My wife and I went out there

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<v Speaker 4>several times, walked along the tree line, walked along the

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<v Speaker 4>trails to look for evidence the Bigfoot. They walked like humans.

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<v Speaker 4>They turned around, it looked like him, like they were curious.

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<v Speaker 4>And then they walked past the tree line into the thing.

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<v Speaker 4>I called Stan Gordon, I called Eric Altman, I called

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<v Speaker 4>Tim Renner. These are the Bigfoot guys in Pennsylvania. I

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<v Speaker 4>gave them the information. Stan wrote it up, and I

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<v Speaker 4>think the other guys that they called and took his statement.

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<v Speaker 4>That's in my hometown. That's pretty bizarre.

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<v Speaker 3>We've talked about it all evening long.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's tell everybody where they can find the book, The

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<v Speaker 1>Lost Tribes of Bigfoot. Do you have a website? Where's

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<v Speaker 1>the best place for them to pick it up?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Well you could either call Hanger one, contact Haanger one.

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<v Speaker 4>They could use the money more than Jeff Bezos. If

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<v Speaker 4>you don't want to go to Hanger one, go to

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<v Speaker 4>Amazon dot com. Jeff's a billionaire, but that's okay too.

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<v Speaker 4>My website is www dot Maximfuric dot com and maxlam

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<v Speaker 4>if youre ek dot com, so you can contact me

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<v Speaker 4>there and look at my other books.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you what.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm having a wonderful ride. I've been doing this for

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<v Speaker 4>a number of years. But the paranormal community has been

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<v Speaker 4>very welcoming, warm and we can agree to disagree. That's fine,

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<v Speaker 4>we don't have to be on the same page. But

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's important. Ron Murphy said this. He said,

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<v Speaker 4>it's important that we have this dialogue, we have this discussion,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's what we're doing. Hopefully, at the end of

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<v Speaker 4>the day we're going to come to some conclusions and

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<v Speaker 4>some results, and that's all we're doing. In the meantime,

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<v Speaker 4>these discussions are important. Again, Brian, I can't thank you

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<v Speaker 4>enough for what you do with Sasquatch Odyssey, and in

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<v Speaker 4>your good work, you're helping to bring more honor, respect,

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<v Speaker 4>and dignity to our field.

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<v Speaker 2>We need that.

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<v Speaker 4>We need that with a scientific, common sense approach. Those

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<v Speaker 4>are my two cents or my three cents. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 4>want to thank If your listeners are enjoying this podcast,

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<v Speaker 4>check out the Lost Tribes of big Pooling. One last

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<v Speaker 4>thing I'm going to say about that it has IBT.

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<v Speaker 4>It has immersive book technology, and that is brand new

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<v Speaker 4>for the field. I think it's eight places in my

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<v Speaker 4>book you'll see a QR code, a bar code where

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<v Speaker 4>you take your phone, your iPhone, just hit it with

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<v Speaker 4>the camera and press a little yellow rectangle and then

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<v Speaker 4>you'll see a three minute, four minute video of me

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<v Speaker 4>doing a synopsis of these chapters, which will probably be

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<v Speaker 4>in your next book too. It's really awesome technology. I

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<v Speaker 4>can't believe it. It works works. I want to congratulate

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<v Speaker 4>Doug and Alex Hidcheck for doing that, their trend setters,

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<v Speaker 4>and just think about that, like this technology being utilized

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<v Speaker 4>with a company, Hanger One that specializes in Bigfoot in UFOs.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, this is amazing. Not the Smithsonian or any

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<v Speaker 4>other prestigious scientific magazine, but Hanger One that specializes in

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<v Speaker 4>Bigfoot in UFOs. It's pretty amazing. Yeah, just the kudos

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<v Speaker 4>for them.

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<v Speaker 1>Excellent stuff. I will make it easy for you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>It will be linked in the show notes. All you

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<v Speaker 1>got to do is click the link right there, go

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<v Speaker 1>check out the Lost Tribes of Bigfoot. Maxim, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much for coming on the show. I've had a

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<v Speaker 1>blast talk to you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah YouTube, Brian, thank you, good luck with your career.

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<v Speaker 4>Hopefully we talk again soon. And in one of your

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<v Speaker 4>other podcasts, they say you don't have a go, but you.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't stay.

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<v Speaker 6>Said step step, side steps.

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<v Speaker 5>Trying this job, that chid everything, call me, ride back,

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<v Speaker 5>crying back joy.

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<v Speaker 3>From me, enjoy staying right there, come.

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<v Speaker 5>It right away, still stays ssssst.

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<v Speaker 1>Not not

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<v Speaker 6>Not ussamessstssssssssss