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<v Speaker 1>By Billy Cunningham said.

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<v Speaker 2>News in the world baseball earlier today was announced by

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<v Speaker 2>the Milwaukee Brewers that Bob Buker had passed away at

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<v Speaker 2>the age of ninety. He spent about fifty four years

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<v Speaker 2>as a broadcaster. He's a Baseball Hall of Famer and

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<v Speaker 2>certainly a statewide national icon. Noted for mister Belvitere. Also

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<v Speaker 2>his appearances on the Tonight Show were hilarious. A man

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<v Speaker 2>who walked alongside Bob Buker for many, many years is

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<v Speaker 2>Marty Brenneman. And Marty, welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you heard the news earlier today, what was

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<v Speaker 2>your reaction?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I was shocked. Bill. You know, Bob has not

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<v Speaker 3>been in real good health, and there have been many

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<v Speaker 3>times when I've talked to him that he and I

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<v Speaker 3>have talked, and I, you know, why don't you walk

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<v Speaker 3>away from this? I mean, you've been in here long enough.

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<v Speaker 3>You've gained a nationwide reputation as being one of the

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<v Speaker 3>funniest human beings that ever lived, and you were, as

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<v Speaker 3>you mentioned, he was an icon in Milwaukee. I noticed

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<v Speaker 3>that Brewers put out a release today and said as

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<v Speaker 3>far as they were concerned, he was the number one

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<v Speaker 3>figure in the iires state of Wisconsin, and I don't

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<v Speaker 3>doubt that for one bit. But his health was not good.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he had.

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<v Speaker 3>Two heart procedures in the last ten fifteen years. And

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<v Speaker 3>he did what he wanted to do, and I'm sure

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<v Speaker 3>he went out the way he wanted to go out,

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<v Speaker 3>and that was still very much associated with the Brewers

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<v Speaker 3>Ball Club, even though he had reduced his workload over

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<v Speaker 3>the last number of years because of his help. But

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you hate to see guys go like this.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, the two guys that I've felt I had

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<v Speaker 3>a great relationship with, not that I didn't have a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of relationships, good relations with other broadcasters in baseball,

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<v Speaker 3>all of them for that matter, but the two special

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<v Speaker 3>ones really we're Ben Scully and Bob and before that

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<v Speaker 3>Jack Buck, and you know all those guys are gone. Now. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes it's hard to confront.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when I look at this history.

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<v Speaker 2>He fought successfully, had multiple heart surgeries, he survived painker

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<v Speaker 2>out of cancer. That's a bad one bite from a

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<v Speaker 2>brown reclose spider melanoma COVID nineteen did it all. And

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<v Speaker 2>when when you talked to him about hey, hey, Bob,

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<v Speaker 2>you've done it all, You're in your uper eighties, ninety

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<v Speaker 2>why not walk away?

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<v Speaker 1>What did he What did he say to you?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, he just he enjoyed. He loved it so much.

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<v Speaker 3>And not that I didn't, but but I felt, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>when I did that, there were things I wanted to do,

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<v Speaker 3>and I wanted to do them when I was healthy

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<v Speaker 3>enough to do them, when Amanda and I wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>do them, and I, you know, I'll never forget when

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<v Speaker 3>I retired and I went to I went to my

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<v Speaker 3>last spring training in nineteen and one of the first

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<v Speaker 3>things I always did was calling when we got to Arizona,

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<v Speaker 3>because that's where he went in the winter time. He's

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<v Speaker 3>lived out out in Arizona for a ton of years.

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<v Speaker 3>And I went over to a broadcast to do in Maryvale,

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<v Speaker 3>which is where the Brewers are located. It's a short

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<v Speaker 3>job drive from Goodyear. And I walked into the race

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<v Speaker 3>booth and there were a lot of people in there,

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<v Speaker 3>and Bob was there, and people were talking about my announcement.

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<v Speaker 3>And Bob said, in front of all these people, he said,

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<v Speaker 3>I really admire you. I said, for what he said,

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<v Speaker 3>because you're walking away from this job. And I said, well,

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<v Speaker 3>he said, I can't do it, And that was pretty

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<v Speaker 3>much the way you felt. You know, guys, people have

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<v Speaker 3>different viewpoints on when they leave or when they will

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<v Speaker 3>ever leave. Some guys want to do it until they

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<v Speaker 3>dropped in. I know Harry Callus with the Philadelphia Phillies,

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<v Speaker 3>who was a dear friend of mine, had come combat

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<v Speaker 3>alcoholism and had had a tough life because he didn't

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<v Speaker 3>missed a thing and his life was in order. And

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<v Speaker 3>I used to talk to him all the time, why

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<v Speaker 3>do you continue to do this? You know you major

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<v Speaker 3>Mark is one of the great broadcasters of all time,

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<v Speaker 3>as Bob did. And the four days later, after my

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<v Speaker 3>last conversation with Harry and we talked about retirement, he

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<v Speaker 3>dropped dead in the TV booth in Washington before a

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<v Speaker 3>National S Phillies game. And I guess those guys enjoyed that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know that they had to pick away to go.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the way they wanted to go. You know, Skelly

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<v Speaker 3>didn't Benny had retired. I think truly, based on some

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<v Speaker 3>of the conversations that Ben and I had, he would

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<v Speaker 3>have retired before he did. So, you know, I retired

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<v Speaker 3>when I felt like I was on top of my

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<v Speaker 3>game and to do the things that a man that

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<v Speaker 3>I've done, that's travel the world, and and I don't

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<v Speaker 3>regret it. Forty six years for me was long enough.

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<v Speaker 1>You had told me a story.

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<v Speaker 2>It might have been Joe that you had a Either

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<v Speaker 2>you or Joe had a conversation with Richie Ashburn, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was you. Joe told me that you had a

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<v Speaker 2>terrible fear that you would die on the road by

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<v Speaker 2>yourself in a hotel room.

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<v Speaker 3>That was me. Yeah, you know, we used to have

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<v Speaker 3>that feature on the air, asked Marty. And they were

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<v Speaker 3>all lighthearted and more often than not funny. And one night,

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<v Speaker 3>for some of the one of the reasons, some reason,

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<v Speaker 3>I just said, I have a tremendous fear of dying

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<v Speaker 3>in a hotel room by myself, and because I saw

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<v Speaker 3>Don Drysdale do it when he was a broadcaster with

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<v Speaker 3>the Dodgers. He died in Montreal in a hotel. Richie

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<v Speaker 3>died in a hotel in New York. And I had

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<v Speaker 3>a fear of that. And people, some people got upset

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<v Speaker 3>because I talked about something that the opinion of him,

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<v Speaker 3>many people were dark, was a dark topping. But somebody

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<v Speaker 3>asked me, do you fear anything? And that's what I said,

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<v Speaker 3>and I felt that way then, and the chances of

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<v Speaker 3>that happening now are minimal because pretty much, thank god,

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<v Speaker 3>Amanda's with me every time we leave town, she's with me,

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<v Speaker 3>or I'm with her more. That would be better way

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<v Speaker 3>to put it when you talk about that, when you

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<v Speaker 3>talk about the greats Marty uh, Bob Prince or joh Harry, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Harry Kerry, Vincecully, you, Denny Matthews, Richie Ashburn, Harry Collis.

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<v Speaker 2>What is Is there a secret sauce? Because there will

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<v Speaker 2>be one thousand men or women jelly guys get into

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<v Speaker 2>the business and they don't connect. They can be their ten, fifteen,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty years and there's not the connection that that small

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<v Speaker 2>group who's going to fill those shoes? Says George Jones,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a special sauce. Do you know what it is?

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<v Speaker 3>You know that? That's a thank you for the comment

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<v Speaker 3>and the compliment. I don't know, Bill, that's a great question.

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<v Speaker 3>That is a because I truly don't think and this

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<v Speaker 3>is not said in a disparaging way, but I truly

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<v Speaker 3>don't think that when you compare the old guys with

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<v Speaker 3>the current crop of baseball broadcasters who have come along.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think you're going to see those guys held

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<v Speaker 3>in such a reverent manner as the guys the Harwells

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<v Speaker 3>and the Bucks and the Scullies and the Ukers and

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<v Speaker 3>the Bucks and all these guys were hell when they

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<v Speaker 3>were on top of their game. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>why I can't answer that question. I don't know whether

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<v Speaker 3>it's a certain quality about those guys that people automatically

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<v Speaker 3>connect with and feel like, you know, he's one of ours.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. That's a That's a wonderful question that

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<v Speaker 3>nobody's ever asked me, so I wish I had an

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<v Speaker 3>answer for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's the it fact.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you're in a room with somebody might be

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<v Speaker 2>Jerry Jones, might be Neon Dion. And you're in a

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<v Speaker 2>and you look around and everybody's looking toward one guy,

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<v Speaker 2>and that guy would be ne On Dion Sanders. It

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<v Speaker 2>might be it might be you, It might be Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>it might be Jerry Jones, it might be Pete Rose.

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<v Speaker 2>That's another You're in a room with somebody and everybody's

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<v Speaker 2>looking toward that guy. It's undefinable, but you know it

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<v Speaker 2>when you see it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think so. You know, I held Scully in

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<v Speaker 3>such a reverent manner because you know, he was always

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<v Speaker 3>to me and will be until the day they put

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<v Speaker 3>me away as the greatest baseball broadcaster of all time.

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<v Speaker 3>But the quality that set Jnny so much apart, and

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<v Speaker 3>those of us who knew him knew it to be true,

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<v Speaker 3>was he had no ego. I mean, there was hardly

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<v Speaker 3>a day that went by that he didn't go to

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<v Speaker 3>the drug store or go to the grocery store or

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<v Speaker 3>the service station and somebody didn't say to him, you're

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<v Speaker 3>the greatest broadcaster of all time at baseball. And he

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<v Speaker 3>had no ego, so he was so easy to like.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, it's an interesting topic, and I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think people held or hold a small broadcaster other baseball

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<v Speaker 3>broadcast play by play guys in other sports as highly

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<v Speaker 3>as they do the game of baseball. And they were great,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, NFL announcers, club announcers at what we're talking about,

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<v Speaker 3>some of the greats of all time that did National

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<v Speaker 3>Football League games.

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<v Speaker 2>It's do you recall the first time you met him,

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<v Speaker 2>because he started a couple of years before you started

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy four. Do you recall when you first met

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it was a while because you know, at

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<v Speaker 3>that time Bill Milwaukee was in the American League and

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<v Speaker 3>the Brewers were and we did not play them. And

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<v Speaker 3>our relationship really started relatively late when the two leagues,

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<v Speaker 3>when we started having interleague play, and then of course

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<v Speaker 3>Milwaukee came into the National League. Again. I don't really remember,

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<v Speaker 3>but we had such a we automatically connected. I'll never forget.

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<v Speaker 3>He used to come into town and we would play

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<v Speaker 3>golf out at the Oasis with doctor David Schneider and

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<v Speaker 3>doctor Rick Abramson, and you cannot believe the conversations. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you were fall down, Brian. It was such a funny

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<v Speaker 3>four hours to suspend with him, and they're the moments

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<v Speaker 3>that I cherished him. Oh. He used to come over

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<v Speaker 3>with our radio booth when Joe and I were working together,

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<v Speaker 3>and he would he said one time, I'll never forget

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<v Speaker 3>he made the comedy. He said, I now fully understand

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<v Speaker 3>why you and Marty have such a hold on fan

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<v Speaker 3>support in this town. And Joe God bless him. Why

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<v Speaker 3>do you think so, he said, because of the very

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<v Speaker 3>close personal that word personal was in quotes relationship you

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<v Speaker 3>had with Marshat.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>At it would drive Joe nuts and Bob would leave

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<v Speaker 3>and he'd come back again a month to six weeks later.

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<v Speaker 3>He'd say it again, Joe get all bent out of

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<v Speaker 3>shape again. It was just, yeah, it was just it

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<v Speaker 3>was amazing. It was. And he went into Baseball Hall

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<v Speaker 3>of Fame in two thousand and three, and I'd gone

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<v Speaker 3>in three years earlier. And I called him on the phone. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll never forget. I was in spring training where they

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<v Speaker 3>announced it, and I was driving to the ballpark in

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<v Speaker 3>what are you doing. I said, congratulations. He said, thanks

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<v Speaker 3>a lot. I said, what Time's a news conference? He

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<v Speaker 3>said what news conference? I said, damn, I said, you

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<v Speaker 3>got to have a news conference. I mean, you've been

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<v Speaker 3>named to the Baseball Hall of Fame. I know the

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<v Speaker 3>Brewers HA got to be. He said, I'm playing golf

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<v Speaker 3>and I said that's wonderful. I said, you can play

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<v Speaker 3>golf tomorrow. He said, They're gonna have to wait on me.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, I'm having a pretty damn good round of

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<v Speaker 3>golf right now. If they won't have a news conference,

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<v Speaker 3>they either got to come out here or they have

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<v Speaker 3>to do it on my terms, because I'm not leaving

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<v Speaker 3>golf to go for the news conference. And I said, boy, you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Something that can you relate the Red's country.

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<v Speaker 2>told Tommy Thrawl when he started kind of wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>meet Bob youuger, and so he says to you, Hey, Marty,

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<v Speaker 2>can you take me over to the Milwaukee and please

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<v Speaker 2>introduce me to Bob you crown to meet that guy?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you tell that story?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really remember.

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<v Speaker 2>I am told that you went over there with him

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<v Speaker 2>and that you're standing with Tommy throwing. There's ker and

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<v Speaker 2>he like brushed him off. Hey Marty, how are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey this?

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<v Speaker 3>Tommy know that, yeah, yes, but that had been set up.

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<v Speaker 3>I know that had been set up.

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<v Speaker 1>Tommy Thrall didn't know that, did he?

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<v Speaker 3>He had no idea? And I said, and it just

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<v Speaker 3>felt it was like it was choreographed because I took

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<v Speaker 3>Tommy over there and introduced him and Bob blew him

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<v Speaker 3>also bad. It was a shame. I mean, he didn't

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<v Speaker 3>give him two seconds of his attention. And Tommy was crestfallen.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean he was he felt like his world had

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<v Speaker 3>and welcomed the end of the fraternity. But it was

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<v Speaker 3>really funny. That's a that took place in at their

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<v Speaker 3>place in Milwaukee. Really, it was the funniest thing you

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<v Speaker 3>could pull that stuff off.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh he was the best. You know, it's been a

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<v Speaker 2>tough few months for you, get it? How do you

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<v Speaker 2>process it? Because all of us share one thing that

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<v Speaker 2>is our human death, the Pete Rose thing. I talked

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<v Speaker 1>Well, why it's been a few bad months for Marty.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I can start by telling you something you can

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<v Speaker 3>relate to, because you ain't exactly a spring chicken either.

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<v Speaker 3>But as somebody once said to me a million years

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<v Speaker 3>ago when I was young, that if you're lucky enough

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<v Speaker 3>to live long enough, and long would be defined in

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<v Speaker 3>various numbers of years. However, you know we're talking about

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<v Speaker 3>a goodly number of years to thank God, be on

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<v Speaker 3>this earth and be relatively healthy, and that if you

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<v Speaker 3>live long enough, you're going to wake up one day

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<v Speaker 3>and people that were your colleagues, that were dear friends

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<v Speaker 3>of yours are all going to be gone, and you're

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<v Speaker 3>going to be the last one standing. And now it

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<v Speaker 3>impacts me more and more and more. It all started

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<v Speaker 3>when when Joe Morgan died, and then when Vinnie went,

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<v Speaker 3>and EAT's gone, and now Bob is gone. And you

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<v Speaker 3>realize that that that's a truism in every sense of

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<v Speaker 3>the word. And I'm finding that to be the case.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's as it strikes home even more now than

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<v Speaker 3>it did when I was first told that, because you

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<v Speaker 3>when you're when you're forty or fifty, you don't relate

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<v Speaker 3>to that, but when you're eighty plus, you you do

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<v Speaker 3>relate to it. And and I just I hate to

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<v Speaker 3>see these guys go. I went back and looked in

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<v Speaker 3>the last communication that he and I had was on

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<v Speaker 3>Christmas Day when he sent me Merry Christmas greetings and

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<v Speaker 3>telling me how he is what Judy were doing and

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<v Speaker 3>I and I always would say to him, I hope

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<v Speaker 3>you're doing well, and he did not comment on that.

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<v Speaker 3>And obviously you're talking less than a month ago and

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<v Speaker 3>now he's gone.

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<v Speaker 2>So allegedly he succumbed a small cell lung cancer. And Marty,

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<v Speaker 2>how would you like to be remembered? How would Marty

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<v Speaker 2>Brenneman like to be remembered in Red's country?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I guess from a professional standpoint, Bill, I'd like

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<v Speaker 3>to be remembered as a guy who had had a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of credibility that you could believe what he said

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<v Speaker 3>when he said something on the air. Credibility was very

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<v Speaker 3>important to me. And I would like to be remembered

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<v Speaker 3>as a person who related well to fans and and

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<v Speaker 3>be And I think it's a two way street. I

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<v Speaker 3>think if you're a jerk around fans and you feel

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<v Speaker 3>like you're put upon when somebody asks you for an

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<v Speaker 3>autograph in the middle of a restaurant, which I never

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<v Speaker 3>felt that way, they would probably be the things that

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<v Speaker 3>were most important to me as a person who was,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, constantly crossing paths with people who either enjoyed

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<v Speaker 3>by the way you treated them, and that maybe one

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<v Speaker 3>moment that they ever crossed paths with you, every time

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<v Speaker 3>I hear about somebody meeting a friend of mine meeting

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<v Speaker 3>somebody who was extremely successful in the public eye, was

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<v Speaker 3>a celebrity, the first question I ask is, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>what they've done as a professional is obvious. What I'm

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<v Speaker 3>more concerned about is what kind of person they were,

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<v Speaker 3>and if they say, oh, he's a great person, a

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<v Speaker 3>great guy, great lady, that may before to me than

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that they were incredibly successful in whatever they

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<v Speaker 2>One thing I can say about the Hall of Famers,

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<v Speaker 2>when you meet someone who can either help you nor

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<v Speaker 2>hurt you, and treat them both the same, because that's

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<v Speaker 2>the quality of a man, is how you treat those

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<v Speaker 2>who can neither help you nor hurt you. Marty, May

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<v Speaker 2>you have many, many, many more good rounds of golf,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know what you're saying about friends and others

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<v Speaker 2>passing away allows one to reflect on one's own mortality.

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<v Speaker 3>Billy Well showed well, said my man.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, thank you, Marty, Thanks Billy, Let's continue. Bill

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