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<v Speaker 1>Nudovshutarhu La Hula, schamparods on udos ors lanse Is Phaser,

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<v Speaker 1>Latgun's throw, Tasha Tapa, Sierra, Nashka avad is FuGO more

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<v Speaker 1>hey rig hi a punk i e is called RelA

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<v Speaker 1>on tudoros or Raslenza. If we real this in the heron,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh hey.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a lady in front of you in the check

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<v Speaker 2>out with twenty six items who doesn't realize she's in

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<v Speaker 2>the express lane and is fully oblivious to your Clare's

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<v Speaker 2>ali ward so Hi. This is an episode of Smology's

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<v Speaker 2>little more spicier, more in detail, but smologies are safe

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<v Speaker 2>If you're looking for the full length version, it's linked

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<v Speaker 2>in the show notes. Okay, scrapyaogy, Yes, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>real ology. It's a subset of arachnology, Iraqnans and Scorpion

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<v Speaker 2>comes from the Greek. Are you ready for this? For scorpion? Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that is not something that made me say, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we cover myths about scorpions, what big pinchers mean,

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<v Speaker 2>movie magic, how lethal are these critters? Glow in the

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<v Speaker 2>dark magic? And also where is their butt? So bust

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<v Speaker 2>out your black light, keep your ears on alert for

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<v Speaker 2>stem advocate, science communicator, researcher, expedition leader and curator at

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<v Speaker 2>the California Academy of Sciences. Scorpiologist doctor Lauren Esposito.

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<v Speaker 3>Knowlogio alogy, pologyglogies.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you are I looked this up. You're in

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<v Speaker 2>Iraq tchnologists. Yes, but I saw that there is a

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<v Speaker 2>subset that is scorpiology.

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<v Speaker 4>There is scorpiology, so I'm technically speaking as scorpiologists.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, at what point when you were studying them, did

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<v Speaker 2>you say, holy not alroady, these are cool?

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<v Speaker 1>You know?

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<v Speaker 4>It was really it started when I was doing that

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<v Speaker 4>undergraduate internship and I realized, like, man, scorpions are amazing

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<v Speaker 4>for so many reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>Oo boy, how did you get ready for this? Okay?

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<v Speaker 5>Here we go, Here we go. One.

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<v Speaker 4>They were the first terrestrial arthropod predators, so before anything

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<v Speaker 4>else was on land, scorpions came on land.

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<v Speaker 5>These little beasts.

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<v Speaker 4>They weren't little then. They were like the ancestors of

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<v Speaker 4>scorpions were like a meter.

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<v Speaker 5>They were huge three feet yeah, three feet maybe even bigger.

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<v Speaker 4>And they were these like underwater marine predators that were

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<v Speaker 4>like ruling the oceans at the time. And eventually some

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<v Speaker 4>people have hypothesized that because we found these ancient trackways

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<v Speaker 4>alongside rivers of scorpions, little footprints embedded in rock. Well

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<v Speaker 4>it was mud that turned into rock over time, and

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<v Speaker 4>they've hypothesized that they were actually became amphibious and were

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<v Speaker 4>coming up on the land to eat spawning fish. Oh,

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<v Speaker 4>like grizzlies, right, you know, grizzlies like come in the

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<v Speaker 4>river and eat the spawning fish. They were doing the

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<v Speaker 4>same thing, but they were like the size of grizzlies,

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<v Speaker 4>and they were scorpions.

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<v Speaker 3>It comes to scorpions, the bigger the better.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I literally am having like a vertigo,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I can't just imagining a scorpion the size of

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<v Speaker 2>like a kiddie pool, just.

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<v Speaker 5>Like like an alligator, basically like an alligator. They were

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<v Speaker 5>these things.

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<v Speaker 4>They were called eurypterids, the ancestors of scorpions, and eventually

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<v Speaker 4>the gills that they had to breathe underwater were internalized

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<v Speaker 4>and that allowed them to live on land. And so

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<v Speaker 4>the scorpions of today basically look identical to the scorpions

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<v Speaker 4>of four hundred and fifty million years ago. So they've

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<v Speaker 4>been on Earth forever, right, So we can ask all

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<v Speaker 4>kinds of questions about what happened on Earth in the

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<v Speaker 4>last four hundred and fifty million years by trying to

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<v Speaker 4>understand the evolutionary history of scorpions.

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<v Speaker 2>And so, how do you think they got and littler well, there's.

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<v Speaker 4>Like the main driving factor behind why insects and arachnids

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<v Speaker 4>are not as big as they used to be, as

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<v Speaker 4>big as the fossils we find is the oxygen percentage

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<v Speaker 4>in the air in the atmosphere, because scorpions and spiders

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<v Speaker 4>and insects all basically passively respire, so they don't breathe.

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<v Speaker 4>They don't have lungs where they're breathing in and out,

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<v Speaker 4>and they don't have closed circulatory systems. They just kind

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<v Speaker 4>of have blood that gets pumped around by a heart

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<v Speaker 4>just open up in their body. And so the rate

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<v Speaker 4>at which oxygen can get to all their tissues that

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<v Speaker 4>they need for walking around and moving and eating and

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<v Speaker 4>doing all the things. Is limited by how much concentration

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<v Speaker 4>of oxygen there is in the air, and over time

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<v Speaker 4>the oxygen concentration has gone down.

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<v Speaker 2>So Laurie explained that when life started coming on land

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<v Speaker 2>and there were more and more air breathing critters, the

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<v Speaker 2>carbon dioxide output increased and the oxygen levels went down.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you have less fuel, you downsize. So think

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<v Speaker 2>of turning in a hummer for a Fiat but slowly

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<v Speaker 2>as a result of evolution. Okay, So apart from the

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<v Speaker 2>last four hundred and fifty million years of history, where

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<v Speaker 2>can we find scorpions? And so where do scorpions live?

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<v Speaker 2>Clearly not in New York City, Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 4>They live basically everywhere that there's not major freezes for

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<v Speaker 4>long parts of the year.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, So like like, imagine a place it's scorpions and

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<v Speaker 5>you're not unaware.

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<v Speaker 4>There's probably scorpions there. They're not in Antarctica. They're also

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<v Speaker 4>not in the Arctic because it's cold, it's like snow

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<v Speaker 4>on the ground all year round.

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<v Speaker 5>But they are in places like the Alps.

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<v Speaker 4>So you wouldn't expect them to be in the Alps

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<v Speaker 4>or like the upper reaches of the Andes, like in Argentina,

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<v Speaker 4>there's scorpions. My real area of specialty is the neotropics,

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<v Speaker 4>so I go to the Caribbeans, the Central America, South America,

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<v Speaker 4>but I've been to places like islands off the coast

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know. I've been like all over the world

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<v Speaker 5>looking for those little buggers.

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<v Speaker 2>And now, tell me a little bit about the basic

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<v Speaker 2>structure of a scorpion, Like what are we dealing with,

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<v Speaker 2>because I feel like they got crab in the front,

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<v Speaker 2>they got snake face in the back with the venom.

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<v Speaker 4>Like they got the business end in the box. Yeah, what,

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<v Speaker 4>it's like a mullet, right. So, so scorpions, like all oraknas,

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<v Speaker 4>have have two primary body parts. They have a pro soma,

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<v Speaker 4>which is like the head, and they have a pistosoma,

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<v Speaker 4>which is like the body.

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<v Speaker 5>So they picture a spider.

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<v Speaker 4>There's two main chunks, but scorpions have this extra little

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<v Speaker 4>business end, which is the tail, and their pro soma

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<v Speaker 4>and a pistosoma are sort of fused, so there's not

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<v Speaker 4>like a real delineation between the head and the body,

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<v Speaker 4>and then up in the front they have two pairs

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<v Speaker 4>of appendages they have callissary, which are the mouth parts,

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<v Speaker 4>and they have these chewing mouthparts that they use basically

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<v Speaker 4>to like.

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<v Speaker 5>Rip up meat meat before they get it down their gullet.

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<v Speaker 2>And so their eyes are on the top of their head.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, like facing up towards the sky.

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<v Speaker 4>How many eyes do they have, It depends, but usually

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<v Speaker 4>they all almost all have three sets of eyes, two

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<v Speaker 4>in the middle and then a set of three to

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<v Speaker 4>six in each corner of the front of their head,

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<v Speaker 4>and so they're arranged like in a triangle. Some people

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<v Speaker 4>have hypothesized that they use the triangular array of eyes

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<v Speaker 4>to look up into the night sky and navigate by

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<v Speaker 4>the stars.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my stars. Now, for those who enjoy a good

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<v Speaker 2>crossword puzzle word or are choked for conversation on a

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<v Speaker 2>long car ride, navigating by stars is called astromenotaxis. Astrominotaxis

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<v Speaker 2>there you know that now.

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<v Speaker 4>And then they have claws that they use mostly for

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<v Speaker 4>grabbing on to prey like in some scorpions.

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<v Speaker 5>They just use the clause to grab their prey.

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<v Speaker 4>They don't ever actually need to sing them because they

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<v Speaker 4>have these big, chunky claws, like picture those those big

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<v Speaker 4>black emperor scorpions that you see in the movies all

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<v Speaker 4>the time. They have these huge claws up front, and

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<v Speaker 4>they almost never use their tail, and their venom's not

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<v Speaker 4>very toxic. But other scorpions have these really slender, thin

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<v Speaker 4>claws and they really just use those for manipulating prey

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<v Speaker 4>items and mostly use the tail and really powerful, super

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<v Speaker 4>toxic venom for disabling their prey and escaping predators. Claws

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<v Speaker 4>in the front, tail on the back, and at the

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<v Speaker 4>very end of the tail is the stinger, and the

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<v Speaker 4>stinger is a looks kind of like a bulb, like

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<v Speaker 4>a light bulb, and at the end of that is

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<v Speaker 4>a hypodermic needle, and inside of the bulb is a

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<v Speaker 4>layer of secretory cells, so cells that secrete toxins, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's surrounded by muscle that allows them to squeeze those

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<v Speaker 4>toxins out of the cells into the hypodermic needle that

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<v Speaker 4>they use to inject into their prey.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so their venom bulb is kind of like one

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<v Speaker 2>of those little squirty things you would jam into your

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<v Speaker 2>ear hole to flesh out funky chunks only it's a

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<v Speaker 2>nerve toxin made by DNA that they probably had for

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<v Speaker 2>something else but evolved to become venom. So what is

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<v Speaker 2>in this exactly?

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<v Speaker 4>But the really crazy thing is that their venom is

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<v Speaker 4>not just one thing. It's actually a complex cocktail of

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<v Speaker 4>all sorts of different components. And they have things like

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<v Speaker 4>antimicrobials in there, enzymes that break open tissue and help

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<v Speaker 4>them digest, and then they also have these complex neuropeptides.

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<v Speaker 4>And neuropeptides are basically things that, when they interact with

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<v Speaker 4>your nervous system, tell your nerves to either send a

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<v Speaker 4>signal when there's not supposed to be sending a signal,

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<v Speaker 4>or they inhibit the transmission of signals between cells.

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<v Speaker 2>Neuropeptides, by the bye, are chains of amino acids that

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<v Speaker 2>form these protein like molecules that your nervous system uses

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<v Speaker 2>to communicate, and the neuropeptides bind to receptors and activate

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of events inside a neuron. The neuropeptides in

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<v Speaker 2>venom can jack that system by cutting off the neurons

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<v Speaker 2>from talking to each other or sending signals when they

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't be talking. So venom is like when someone grabs

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<v Speaker 2>your phone and star Art's dming people it shouldn't, or

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<v Speaker 2>withholding a text from your boss. Okay, what if you're

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<v Speaker 2>like a cricket and you don't have a boss or

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<v Speaker 2>a phone. What does that do if your prey?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so if your prey, what it might do is

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<v Speaker 4>disable you, keep you from moving, send you into a seizure,

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<v Speaker 4>really just dis incapacitate you very quickly so that you

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<v Speaker 4>can be eaten and make baby scorpions mm hm with

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<v Speaker 4>the energy that you get from your prey. But if

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<v Speaker 4>you're a predator, what it does is it sends pain

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<v Speaker 4>signals to your brain, telling your brain that you're on fire.

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<v Speaker 5>when you're really not.

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<v Speaker 4>And that pause, that signal interruption caused by the scorpion

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<v Speaker 4>venom allows the scorpion a moment to escape from the

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<v Speaker 4>prey while the predator's reacting to this signal that it's

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<v Speaker 4>forcing its body to send to itself.

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<v Speaker 2>What types of scorpions have venom that is powerful enough

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<v Speaker 2>to say incapacitate like a dog or a human? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>how much do they get a bad rap?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>and about twenty five of those are something that are

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<v Speaker 4>very young. So the majority of scorpions, that means like

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<v Speaker 4>less than ten percent of all scorpions are something that

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<v Speaker 4>But that being said, all scorpions do have a stinger,

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<v Speaker 4>can inject things that are in their venom, but oftentimes

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<v Speaker 4>those things are more mild than a beasting or waspsing.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh okay, let me step back and say there's two

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<v Speaker 4>major groups of scorpions. There's a group called the boothed scorpions.

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<v Speaker 4>It's one of the oldest lineages of scorpions, and it's

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<v Speaker 4>the other lineages, and those ones all make neurotoxins that

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<v Speaker 2>Again, these are the boothids. And I looked everywhere to

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<v Speaker 2>find out where the name boothed comes from, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's from the Greek for ox or cow, because

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<v Speaker 2>there's stings were thought to be real cow killers. Again boothheits.

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<v Speaker 4>And then all the other scorpions are non boothieds ah,

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<v Speaker 4>all the other groups of scorpions, and all those guys

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<v Speaker 4>typically don't make neurotoxins that affect mammal nervous systems.

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<v Speaker 2>But considering their reputation of scorpions, they do carry some

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<v Speaker 2>dramatic names like the black spitting, thick tailed scorpion or

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<v Speaker 2>the man killer or death stalker. These kind of sound

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<v Speaker 2>like nineteen seventies carnival rides.

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<v Speaker 4>But scientific names are jumped up by the scientists that

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<v Speaker 5>As being a new species.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you gotten to name any I have?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, we discover new scorpions all the time. There's like

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<v Speaker 4>maybe fifty or so added a year.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, when you're discovering scorpions, I understand that there are

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<v Speaker 2>black lights involved. There are, yeah, so tell me everything

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<v Speaker 2>about why they fluoresce under black lights.

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<v Speaker 4>So scorpions, all scorpions fluoress it's a universals to scorpions.

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<v Speaker 4>the exoskeleton of scorpions that's embedded in there.

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<v Speaker 5>It's called cormarine.

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<v Speaker 2>So side note, cormorine is often found in plants, and

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<v Speaker 2>according to this Wikipedia prose, it has quote a sweet

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<v Speaker 2>odor resembling the scent of newly mown hay. It's also

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<v Speaker 2>found in cassia, cinnamon, in fake vanilla, and in perfumes. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>and it makes venomous arthropods glow like ravers. Anyway, Cormorine what.

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<v Speaker 4>It does is it takes in light waves just from light,

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<v Speaker 4>ambient light, and it excites those white those light waves

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<v Speaker 4>and then projects them back at a higher wavelength. So

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<v Speaker 4>that's what causes the fluorescence. It's not like a reflection

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<v Speaker 4>or it's actually like an excitation of lights. And so

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<v Speaker 4>they all fluoresce this bright like neon toxic sludge green

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<v Speaker 4>under a ultra violet light. And we don't really know

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<v Speaker 4>why they have this feature. There's a few possibilities. One,

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<v Speaker 4>it's just a byproduct of how their exoskeleton forms. Like

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<v Speaker 4>the process in which they form their exoskeleton creates a fluorescence,

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<v Speaker 4>or alternatively, it has like a function that's helpful for them,

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<v Speaker 4>and there's a few possibilities. One that's been proposed is

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<v Speaker 4>that it's a whole body light detection system, so it

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<v Speaker 4>allows them to detect when there's light.

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<v Speaker 5>Which I think could very well be.

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<v Speaker 4>But also they have eyes, so typically they can see

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<v Speaker 4>if there's light outside or not, so it could be

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<v Speaker 4>another function as well. The other functions that have been

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<v Speaker 4>thought up are that it's a way to tell other

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<v Speaker 4>animals that they're dangerous, like bees are black and yellow,

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<v Speaker 4>and that black and yellow is like a sign that

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<v Speaker 4>they're dangerous. Scorpions are active at night and at night,

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<v Speaker 4>colors don't show up very well, and things that are

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<v Speaker 4>active at night can't see very well in color.

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<v Speaker 5>Mm hm.

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<v Speaker 4>So, so many things that are that are doing things

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<v Speaker 4>at night have have evolved greater UV capabilities, and so

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<v Speaker 4>flowers that bloom at night have a UV pattern that

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<v Speaker 4>attracts pollinators.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 4>So scorpions that are active at night might want a

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<v Speaker 4>UV pattern to say, hey, wait this I'm dangerous and

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<v Speaker 4>you should stay away from me, like a warning color,

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<v Speaker 4>or they're actually trying to mimic something else like a

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<v Speaker 4>flower and attract things so that they can eat them.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, So those are all the possibilities.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that their ancient ancestors that were ginormous

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<v Speaker 2>could fluoresce?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, there is some a geologists mention that there's some

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<v Speaker 4>really well preserved fossils that preserved cuticle and the cuticle fluoresces.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>So side note this is due to their glowing hyaline

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<v Speaker 2>layer in their axis skeleton. Also, did you know that

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<v Speaker 2>horseshoe crabs also glow under UV light. If someone wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to go out and look for critters at night, do

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<v Speaker 2>you think getting a black light and just checking things out?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, like in some places I saw them

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<v Speaker 4>a home depot, you can go on a scorpion hunt.

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<v Speaker 4>And the thing that the trick is to go out

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<v Speaker 4>at night because one, you can't really see anything with

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<v Speaker 4>the black light during the day because it's not a

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<v Speaker 4>very bright wavelength of light, so it gets washed out

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<v Speaker 4>by daylight. And two, scorpions are nocturnal, so they're active

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<v Speaker 4>at night, not not during the day.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, what about scorpions in movies or pop culture? Is

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<v Speaker 2>there any movie that really does a good job with

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<v Speaker 2>scorpions or one that really gets your goat?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what?

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<v Speaker 4>Like, I feel like there are always The problem I

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<v Speaker 4>have with movies and scorpions is that they're always very inaccurate. Okay, like,

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<v Speaker 4>why in every single movie does it have to be

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<v Speaker 4>the Emperor scorpion. Emperor scorpions are from tropical Africa. They

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<v Speaker 4>most definitely do not live in deserts. There's definitely no

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<v Speaker 4>black scorpions living in a white sandy desert. Oh, it

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't exist. They want to blend in with their environment.

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<v Speaker 4>They're not trying to stand out like black on white background.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Are they ember of scorpions easier to handle? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean they're really common in the pet trade, and

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<v Speaker 4>actually for that reason, they're the only scorpion that's considered

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<v Speaker 4>to be threatened or endangered.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, like they can live to be twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I feel like, lay off the scorpions.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, like lay it, layoff of them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And the other crazy thing about scorpions that I always

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<v Speaker 4>that I was struck by when I first learned about

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<v Speaker 4>them is that the moms give birth to live baby.

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<v Speaker 2>That was my next question. I've seen a picture of

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<v Speaker 2>scorpions that are just to have a backpack full of

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<v Speaker 2>baby scorpions. Yeah, what is happening there?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, So while their courtship starts by the what

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<v Speaker 4>we call pa dey do they actually dance. They do

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<v Speaker 4>like a ballroom dance. They're actually quite refined animals. So

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<v Speaker 4>the males approach the females and grab onto their hand.

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<v Speaker 4>They face her and grab onto her hands, and then

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<v Speaker 4>they do this like dance like back and forth where

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<v Speaker 4>he like leads her back and forth.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. Gestation period you ask, seven to nine

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<v Speaker 2>months similar to a human, or up to fourteen months

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<v Speaker 2>for emperor scorpions what troopers.

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<v Speaker 4>And once they give birth, she does this thing called

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<v Speaker 4>a berth basket where she arges her back up and

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<v Speaker 4>makes her arms into like a circle, like kind of

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<v Speaker 4>touches her hands together and makes like a little circle.

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<v Speaker 4>And so they'll crawl up her hands onto her back

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<v Speaker 4>and then they'll stay up there for it depends on

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<v Speaker 4>the species, but they'll stay up there until they've molted

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<v Speaker 4>for the first time, so they've shed their exoskeleton and

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<v Speaker 4>gotten a little bigger, and in that first period they

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<v Speaker 4>kind of almost look like a little larval still, like

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<v Speaker 4>they don't look like a normal scorpion, but as soon

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<v Speaker 4>as they have that first molt, they look just like

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<v Speaker 4>a little tiny miniature scorpion.

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<v Speaker 2>So they just hop off and they're like tulu.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like they'll kind of start coming off her back

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<v Speaker 4>and then getting back on for a little bit. But

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<v Speaker 4>in some species they do kind of live semi cooperatively,

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<v Speaker 4>like they're still living together in the same area for

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<v Speaker 4>a long period of time. So the moms actually like

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<v Speaker 4>will live in a burrow with the babies. Oh, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know, like months, years maybe, and they'll just live

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<v Speaker 4>around each other and they tolerate each other really well.

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<v Speaker 4>And then she gives birth anywhere from two to I

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<v Speaker 4>think the upper limit that anybody's ever recorded is like

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<v Speaker 4>one fifth forty, like high one forties. Wow, maybe let's

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<v Speaker 4>say one fifty, call it even.

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<v Speaker 2>One one hundred and fifty babies.

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<v Speaker 4>That would be like a lot, and they all pile

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<v Speaker 5>A party, yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Now sc party. Now, what is some flint flam about

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<v Speaker 2>scorpions that you would like to debunk? What are some

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<v Speaker 2>myths that you're like, let's get the record straight, people, Well.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, here's a few things you need to know about scorpions.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 5>One, they can't jump. Oh okay, it's just a thing.

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<v Speaker 5>They don't They don't jump. They can't walk.

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<v Speaker 4>They can they can walk on some vertical services if

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<v Speaker 4>they're like grainy, like like a rock that has little

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<v Speaker 4>micro areas to step on, but otherwise like something that's slick,

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<v Speaker 4>like windows. They could never walk on a window. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>So they're gonna have a hard time get if you

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<v Speaker 4>see it from like like three feet away, Like, you

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<v Speaker 5>It's not gonna be able to grab you.

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<v Speaker 2>So with the exception of Arizona, some parts of southern Nevada,

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<v Speaker 4>In the US, there are no scorpions that you have

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<v Speaker 4>to be concerned about. Oh okay, like worst case scenario,

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<v Speaker 4>it feels like a wasp, even those ones in Arizona.

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<v Speaker 4>Like if if you're a healthy adult, you don't have

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<v Speaker 4>to worry. It's not gonna kill you. It will just

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<v Speaker 4>hurt for a little bit. Okay, you might feel like

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<v Speaker 4>a little more like an electric shock than a wasps thing.

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<v Speaker 4>But if you're a child, you want to be safe

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<v Speaker 4>and not be playing with scorpions in Arizona.

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<v Speaker 5>Just rule thumb. So that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I have so many questions from listeners, can I ask you?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>for science and environmental education for nearby schools. They have

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<v Speaker 2>So good Islands sees dot org. That's Islands plural Sees

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<v Speaker 2>dot org. So thank you Lauren and Eric for starting that.

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<v Speaker 2>Now a few words about sponsors making that donation and

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<v Speaker 2>the production of this very show possible. Okay, back to

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<v Speaker 2>your questions. Okay, so this is kind of like a

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<v Speaker 2>lightning round. Okay. Sonya Karpoleovich wants to know should they

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<v Speaker 2>be kept as pets and if yes, do they make

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<v Speaker 2>good pets.

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<v Speaker 4>I say, I'm gonna say yes, they should should there's

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<v Speaker 4>no reason they shouldn't be kept us pets. But like

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<v Speaker 4>all things that are kept in captivity, I think it's

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<v Speaker 4>really important to have captive bread ones because then keeps

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<v Speaker 4>people out of the natural ecosystems from over harvesting, over collecting.

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<v Speaker 5>For the pet trade.

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<v Speaker 4>So there are some like quite a few species that

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<v Speaker 4>are really common in the pet trade and our bread

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<v Speaker 4>in captivity. So if you want a scorpion as a pet,

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<v Speaker 5>Get it out of your backyard. Leave it there.

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<v Speaker 4>It's doing something important in the ecosystem, and rather buy

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<v Speaker 4>one that's been captive bread by a breeder.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Emily hawkingsids a question about the waste management system.

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<v Speaker 2>Where is the butt?

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<v Speaker 5>Do they pee? They do?

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<v Speaker 4>They have just like a single kind of chloeca thing

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<v Speaker 4>that has that excrease everything, and they don't have like

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<v Speaker 4>separate pe and pooh situation and that so it all

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, Wade Lee wants to know. Is it true smaller

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<v Speaker 2>scorpions are more venomous in general? Smiley face emoji.

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<v Speaker 4>It depends on where you are, so it's not a

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<v Speaker 4>simple yes or no answer. In some places, smaller scorpions

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<v Speaker 4>are belong to that one group boothity, so they are

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<v Speaker 4>more venomous m hm. But I would say in general

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<v Speaker 4>a better frame of reference is if they have thin

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<v Speaker 4>hands and either are really long or really fat tail,

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<v Speaker 4>they're probably more venomous. And if they have big, fat

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<v Speaker 4>hands and their hands are much broader than the width

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<v Speaker 4>of their tail, then they're less venomous. Oh so it's

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<v Speaker 4>not like the overall body size but the proportion of

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<v Speaker 4>hands to tail situation.

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<v Speaker 2>So counterintuitively, big pinchers less scary. And now, best thing

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<v Speaker 2>about scorpions, Best thing about your job? What do you love?

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, I love my job because I get

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<v Speaker 4>to wear so many hats, and I'm at an institution

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<v Speaker 4>that feels I'm at an institution that was such a

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<v Speaker 4>good match for me, which is why I wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>work there. The Califourni Academy of Sciences is is, I think,

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<v Speaker 4>an incredible museum because it's equally committed to science outreach,

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<v Speaker 4>which is something I love doing and like really high

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<v Speaker 4>quality science research.

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<v Speaker 5>So for me, those two aspects of my work life, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Always felt like I was gonna have to give up

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<v Speaker 4>one for the other m H. But I found a

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<v Speaker 4>really great fit and a thing for me. That's like

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<v Speaker 4>the good. The great thing about going to work every

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<v Speaker 4>day is they love all the things I'm doing, including

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<v Speaker 4>running a little nonprofit let's focus on conservation and doing

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<v Speaker 4>a visibility campaign for a queer sciences. And it's nice

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<v Speaker 4>to be somewhere where I can bring.

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<v Speaker 5>All of me to the job.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for doing this. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, it's great.

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<v Speaker 2>So ask smart people questions, because how else would we

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<v Speaker 2>ever find out that scorpions are four hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 2>million years old and we're once the size of like

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<v Speaker 2>a couch?

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<v Speaker 4>What what?

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<v Speaker 2>To learn more about doctor Esposito's endeavor, you can find

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<v Speaker 2>her on Instagram at Krabales. More links will all be

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<v Speaker 2>up at aliward dot com slash ologies slash Scorpiology. You

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<v Speaker 2>can follow ologies on Twitter or Instagram at Ologies. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>on both at Aliward with one l. Also linked is

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<v Speaker 2>aliward dot com slash Asmologies, which has dozens more kid

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<v Speaker 2>safe and shorter episodes you can blaze through and thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Mercedes Maitland of Maitland Audio and Shared Sleeper of Mind

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<v Speaker 2>Jam Media for editing those as well as Zeke Rodriguez

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas and says we like to keep things small around here.

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<v Speaker 2>The rest of the credits are in the show notes

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<v Speaker 2>and at the end of the episode, I give you

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<v Speaker 2>a piece of advice. And this piece of advice sounds simple,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's huge, and that is that you are enough

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<v Speaker 2>as the person you are, and you are wonderful as

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<v Speaker 2>you are, and anyone who is worth being your friend

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<v Speaker 2>already loves you the way that you are, and you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have to change to make anyone happy. So just

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<v Speaker 2>be yourself and the right people will come to your life. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's my piece of advice for you. It took me

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<v Speaker 2>a long time to learn it, but it's important, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>boyebye knowledge.

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<v Speaker 3>Hours knowledge. Concious knowledge is
