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Speaker 4: M Welcome to the Occult Rejects.
Speaker 2: Tonight we got a returning guest, a fan favorite, somebody
Speaker 2: that I've been asked actually to have on multiple times,
Speaker 2: and even people on the show like, yo, you gotta
Speaker 2: get that do. We got Ernie from Virginia's for Conspiracy Lovers.
Speaker 2: But before we get to him and introduced the other
Speaker 2: rejects with us.
Speaker 4: Tonight we got Julia returning. What is up again? Julia?
Speaker 4: How are you? It's great to see you back on it.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, Nick. Yeah, I think we talked
Speaker 1: about the Nights of the Golden Circle or something like
Speaker 1: that last time. Really super interesting topic and I can't
Speaker 1: wait to get into Shakespeare tonight. It's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Oh of course, of course, I actually like this would
Speaker 2: be great for you, I thought, and Ethan my man,
Speaker 2: So what is going on?
Speaker 4: How are you?
Speaker 5: Nick?
Speaker 3: Julia?
Speaker 5: Great to see you as always, Thank you Nick for
Speaker 5: putting everything together. Ernie, It's great to meet you. I'm
Speaker 5: excited about this. A lot of conspiratorial threads connect to Shakespeare,
Speaker 5: so it's a it's a great, great topic of discussion.
Speaker 5: Ethan Ingo Smith. On all the social media, I can
Speaker 5: be easily found, and I appreciate people reaching out and communicating.
Speaker 5: And I have written a few books and write articles frequently.
Speaker 5: I got a Taichi article coming out soon. I can
Speaker 5: get it together in a little video to sharing some instruction.
Speaker 5: So yeah, appreciate everybody.
Speaker 4: Cool, nice, make it happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, before we introduced Ernie, it is probably more for
Speaker 2: the people might catch this a lot because this episode
Speaker 2: will drop on audio after the fact. But if you
Speaker 2: happen to be in Arizona, well more. I guess I
Speaker 2: kind of hope by Scottsdale or Phoenix, Arizona, Me and
Speaker 2: Headless will be out there December fifth to the seventh.
Speaker 2: We were blessed with three three tickets to go to
Speaker 2: this Quest for Ancient Civilizations, so I figured, fuck it
Speaker 2: when I go. It's a three day event over over
Speaker 2: in Scottsdal, Arizona. Not saying to go check it out,
Speaker 2: that you know to come to the event, but if
Speaker 2: if you're in the area and you actually want to
Speaker 2: meet up or anything. I'm sure we'll be around after
Speaker 2: the factor, I mean, or if this stuff interests you,
Speaker 2: definitely check it out. Maybe I'll include like the link
Speaker 2: for it in the show after the fact. But yeah,
Speaker 2: anybody in the area hit us up, those three days
Speaker 2: will be around, come come out, get your fucking stone. Sure,
Speaker 2: so yeah, uh, just put that out there now, Ernie, sir. Please,
Speaker 2: for the people who have not had the pleasure of
Speaker 2: hearing you before, well, first off, I would like to
Speaker 2: remind that he has done a few shows already, go
Speaker 2: check them out.
Speaker 4: Definitely rabbit holes.
Speaker 2: Actually, somebody we were making jokes earlier saying that with
Speaker 2: Juliet him here, we should be talking about rabbit holes
Speaker 2: and be holes. So yeah, so please Ernie, let everybody
Speaker 2: know what your deal is in who you are.
Speaker 3: So for the new people, yeah, so yeah, Ernie Lebreck,
Speaker 3: I'm me and a buddy do Virginia's for conspiracy lovers
Speaker 3: podcasts anywhere where podcasts are found. We got a YouTube page,
Speaker 3: same name. I did finally change it to where everything's
Speaker 3: all the same names, so you can you can actually
Speaker 3: find us. But on Instagram, Facebook and uh and YouTube
Speaker 3: I can. But uh, yeah, just a conspiracy nerd that
Speaker 3: stumbled onto some of my own like kind of personal
Speaker 3: research and decided to start doing a podcast that's kind
Speaker 3: of a conspiracy Virginia based because the more I'm from
Speaker 3: Virginia and the more and more I looked into it,
Speaker 3: it's like all roads led back to to Virginia with
Speaker 3: all this craps. So so that's that's where we're at.
Speaker 3: We've been on hiatus for a couple of months because
Speaker 3: I'm moving this studio out of this closet into the
Speaker 3: into the garage. So but we'll be back and we've
Speaker 3: got some We've got some bangers like in the hole.
Speaker 3: So but yeah, check us out.
Speaker 4: Yea, it makes that happen.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: The first show, the last show that you did, was
Speaker 2: yet the Nights of the Golden Circle, the Golden Horseshoe
Speaker 2: or some shit like.
Speaker 3: Maybe that we did the Golden Horseshoe, Yeah, Yeah, which
Speaker 3: was the weird expedition trying to find a pass through
Speaker 3: the Blue Ridge Mountains by Governor Alexander spots Would and
Speaker 3: my whole life, we've all heard the story and it's
Speaker 3: it's a nothing story that you hear. There's a little
Speaker 3: sign in the Blue Ridge mountains, little little obelisk monument
Speaker 3: to it. And then, of course, like anything in Virginia history,
Speaker 3: the more you the more the deeper you get into it,
Speaker 3: the more it seems weird. And it, in my personal opinion,
Speaker 3: by the end of it, it looked like a a
Speaker 3: Masonic like maybe the first Masonic ritual to take place,
Speaker 3: like kind of officially it happened like seventeen fourteen, just
Speaker 3: three years before like Masonry's public you know, like kind
Speaker 3: of coming out party, and it's we talked about it. It
Speaker 3: was just a ton of aristocrats on this expedition across
Speaker 3: a mountain to supposedly find the pass through the mountains.
Speaker 3: But they'd already found the pass, and like the the
Speaker 3: guides that took them, uh, were the the rangers were
Speaker 3: the ones who had already found the pass through the
Speaker 3: Blue Ridge. And then they get over the Blue Ridge
Speaker 3: and they named the Shenandoah River the Euphrates, and then
Speaker 3: they crossed the Euphrates and have this big like party
Speaker 3: and just all the different people on the expedition were
Speaker 3: just super glowy Jacobites and Huguenots and Masons and first
Speaker 3: kind of Virginia families and then there was this whole
Speaker 3: presenting of these guys when they came back with these
Speaker 3: golden horseshoe pins that had jewels in them, and different
Speaker 3: jewels for for different guys. And the guy the only
Speaker 3: real account that we have of it is and I
Speaker 3: can't remember the guy's name now, but that guy was crazy, crazy,
Speaker 3: interesting Huguenot from Ireland who ended up marrying a woman
Speaker 3: named Mary Magdalen. And uh, yeah, it's go back and
Speaker 3: listen to that one. It's it's weird, man, It's it's.
Speaker 4: I remember, I remember. There was a lot to it,
Speaker 4: Like I felt like there was like a lot of
Speaker 4: different things.
Speaker 3: Wait do you wait? Do you do you hear this nonsense?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna awesome at you all right.
Speaker 2: So I guess unless anybody's got it something asking or whatever,
Speaker 2: yes day, maybe you can just start, all right.
Speaker 4: If you don't mind me asking.
Speaker 2: It was just like something you stumble the gros You're like, oh,
Speaker 2: there's something here or yeah.
Speaker 3: So I, like I've said before, my personal research is
Speaker 3: based on Williamsburg. I was born and raised in good
Speaker 3: old colonial Williamsburg in the shadow of campus of William
Speaker 3: and Mary And about seven or eight years ago, I
Speaker 3: kind of stumbled into I'd probably watched National Treasure or
Speaker 3: The Da Vinci Code too recently, and happened to be
Speaker 3: down buying a gift for somebody in Colonial Williamsburg and
Speaker 3: noticed a the two oldest roads in the country, Jamestown
Speaker 3: Road and Richmond Road, which kind of create the Historic Campus.
Speaker 3: They come to a point like a triangle, and I
Speaker 3: think that I saw that, and I was like, I
Speaker 3: got to look at this on Google Earth. And then
Speaker 3: that opened up a ton of stuff to the point
Speaker 3: where I took my research to the director of the
Speaker 3: Historic Campus and they were kind of blown away, and
Speaker 3: I started, you know, digging into it, and it gets
Speaker 3: weirder and weirder, and you eat thinking that I was
Speaker 3: kind of too dumb to have figured this stuff out myself,
Speaker 3: and so I just kept trying to prove myself wrong.
Speaker 3: And the more I dug to prove myself wrong, the
Speaker 3: more crap I found. And then I started to find
Speaker 3: some things that were absolutely undeniable, Like I shared on
Speaker 3: one of the episodes with you guys, the incode of
Speaker 3: the Great Pyramid of Giza on that triangle of land
Speaker 3: that also points directly to the Great Pyramid of Giza
Speaker 3: and is the exact sit So there's all that. So
Speaker 3: all my personal research does kind of I say it
Speaker 3: revolves around Williamsburg and Virginia, but because of that, that
Speaker 3: means it revolves around everything. The beginning of masonry in
Speaker 3: this country Francis Bacon, and then from there it just
Speaker 3: keeps going back and back and back and forward and
Speaker 3: forward and forward. And so for this one, because I
Speaker 3: lived in Williamsburg and my mom is a big Shakespeare
Speaker 3: nerd herself, I've been getting dragged to Shakespeare plays a
Speaker 3: year since I was nine years old. So I've seen
Speaker 3: everything that the entire Shakespeare cannon in every format you
Speaker 3: can think of. William and Mary has one of the
Speaker 3: largest Shakespeare festivals in the country, the Virginia Shakespeare Festival
Speaker 3: at William and Mary and put together in the Phi
Speaker 3: Beta Kappa Hall. So I've seen everything from Taming of
Speaker 3: the Shrew adapted to nineteen twenties like Cuban Cuban Beach
Speaker 3: styled to you know, like traditional plays and everything in between.
Speaker 3: And when I was nine, I couldn't say, you know,
Speaker 3: I had no idea what they were saying, what was happening.
Speaker 3: But the you know, the the older I got, I
Speaker 3: kind of learned to speak the language of Shakespeare and
Speaker 3: really kind of fell in love with the plays. And
Speaker 3: so really one of the first things that got me
Speaker 3: into kind of the conspiracy world was the Shakespeare authorship question.
Speaker 3: And just to skip over all the because I've got
Speaker 3: a lot of crap here, but we're in the conspiracy world,
Speaker 3: so I don't believe that Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare, and we
Speaker 3: can kind of skip all that. I'm part of the
Speaker 3: camp that believes Francis Bacon is Shakespeare, and for me
Speaker 3: a little differently, I'm not a total Baconian. I think
Speaker 3: it was more Francis Bacon by committee. He had a
Speaker 3: literary societ called the Society of the Helmet, who just
Speaker 3: so happened to contain like all the members were all
Speaker 3: the different people that people put forward as possible shapes
Speaker 3: Shakespeare authors. So seventeenth Earl of Oxford, the Countess of Penbroke,
Speaker 3: Sir Walter Raleigh, William Stratchey, who will play an important
Speaker 3: role in this research. So all these guys that they've
Speaker 3: put forward that could be the alternative to who wrote
Speaker 3: the Shakespeare plays were part of Francis Bacon's literary society
Speaker 3: called the Society the Helmet, named after their patron, muse Athena,
Speaker 3: because she wore a helmet and was known to shake
Speaker 3: her spear in her sphere of knowledge in the face
Speaker 3: of the beast of ignorance. Right, and then just so
Speaker 3: happens that a man obsessed with Francis Bacon, a Williamsburg
Speaker 3: legend mentored to Thomas Jefferson, is the man who created, uh,
Speaker 3: what I think is the best state flag in the Union.
Speaker 3: It's the only flag with a booby on it. And
Speaker 3: that's actually, uh, he was obsessed with Francis Bacon. His
Speaker 3: name was George with Like I said, he was the
Speaker 3: He was Thomas Jefferson's mentor. He was the reason that
Speaker 3: Thomas Jefferson became obsessed with Francis Bacon his whole life.
Speaker 3: And that is actually Atheno wearing her helmet and holding
Speaker 3: her spear. That's kind of neither here nor there, But
Speaker 3: I forgot that that was.
Speaker 2: I just want to mention real quick, and I mentioned
Speaker 2: this a lot of times. I'm just using an excuse
Speaker 2: to mention it again. Uh, the woman's nipple hanging out
Speaker 2: that uh, you know in the Knox formula crowley'sox formula.
Speaker 2: At some point you you're supposed to be isis like
Speaker 2: feeding breastfeeding horse, and you will like you'll make it
Speaker 2: look like you're holding a baby and grabbing your nipple.
Speaker 4: There was a relationship between the nip and the child.
Speaker 2: When the child latches its mouth onto the nipple, the
Speaker 2: mother's pineal gland will tell the child where it is
Speaker 2: time season, you know where it is even on the planet,
Speaker 2: what up and down all is? So, I mean there
Speaker 2: is actually a very weird, interesting, uh panal gland to
Speaker 2: penal glean conversation going on just from breast reading.
Speaker 3: Wow times.
Speaker 4: I wonder if that has anything to do with so
Speaker 4: much cult size.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's got to. Even if they didn't know
Speaker 3: it that deeply, they knew that there was that connection
Speaker 3: since the beginning of time there. So I said, I
Speaker 3: wasn't going to get into that whole thing. But Shakespeare
Speaker 3: didn't write Shakespeare. His name wasn't even Shakespeare's name was
Speaker 3: shagspar And there's no evidence that he was literate or
Speaker 3: you know, went to school past the fourth grade. The
Speaker 3: only thing we have of him is his signature on
Speaker 3: like seven different documents they're all legal documents and his
Speaker 3: will because he was kind of a douchebag and cheating
Speaker 3: people out of stuff a lot, and so he's always
Speaker 3: getting drug into court. And all these signatures are spelled
Speaker 3: differently and in different handwriting, so that probably points to
Speaker 3: the fact that whoever the other lawyer was or the
Speaker 3: judge was the one who signed his name to it.
Speaker 3: So we don't even know that Shakespeare or the guy
Speaker 3: that they attribute Shakespeare to even was literate. He didn't
Speaker 3: own a book that we can tell in his will,
Speaker 3: he doesn't leave any books papers. There's never been a
Speaker 3: letter written to him or from him that anybody's ever found.
Speaker 3: The guy wasn't Shakespeare. Bacon with Shakespeare. So that being said,
Speaker 3: I got obsessed with this book here, which is this
Speaker 3: gigantic tone that I paid a bunch of money for.
Speaker 3: It's a facsimile of the first folio of Shakespeare, the
Speaker 3: sixteen twenty three that was put together. It's exactly how
Speaker 3: it came out in sixteen twenty three. It's just on
Speaker 3: new paper and basically took a historic copy and from
Speaker 3: one of the museums and photo copied every single page.
Speaker 3: So it's exactly the way it came out the very
Speaker 3: first folio. So I get into Shakespeare, I get into
Speaker 3: the first folio and some of the weird things that
Speaker 3: go on with that. Of course, that leads leads me
Speaker 3: to Bacon. And then once you get into Bacon, you
Speaker 3: obviously you end up down the road of Bacon created
Speaker 3: masonry by way of Rosicrucianism. You find out that the
Speaker 3: uh Masons actually claim Shakespeare and Francis Bacon as kind
Speaker 3: of founding architects, if you will. And then when you
Speaker 3: the further you get into masonry, you start to if
Speaker 3: you dig back from Mason modern masonry, you eventually fall
Speaker 3: back into the Stuart, the Stewart dynasty, and that leads
Speaker 3: you back. If you follow the maternal side of that
Speaker 3: family all the way back, it ins you. It brings
Speaker 3: you all the way back to the Mayravngians of Dan
Speaker 3: Brown fame. And really my my overall thesis of of
Speaker 3: my research now is that America was beguy in as
Speaker 3: in Virginia in particular, as a breakaway civilization for the
Speaker 3: Stuart dynasty. I think it was facilitated and designed by
Speaker 3: Francis Bacon, and then it has been managed and stewarded
Speaker 3: by the Scottish rite of freemasonry, sort of a thinly
Speaker 3: veiled alternative to the monarchy that they were. But they
Speaker 3: could see the writing on the wall that their monarchy
Speaker 3: there rain as monarchs in England, Scotland and Ireland, wasn't
Speaker 3: gonna last long. The Stuart reign was only about one
Speaker 3: hundred years, and I mean they were deposed several times,
Speaker 3: kicked off the throne, brought back in, killed, They ran,
Speaker 3: They ran the gamut and right at the very beginning
Speaker 3: of that dynasty, Francis Bacon, working for King James the first,
Speaker 3: the first Stuart monarch, right at the beginning of that,
Speaker 3: they create the Virginia Company of London and start exploring
Speaker 3: the new world, Virginia in particular. And I think that
Speaker 3: was I really The more and more I get into
Speaker 3: this stuff, the more I think that America maybe still
Speaker 3: but definitely its beginnings were kind of a breakaway place
Speaker 3: for the Stewart kind of ideal and this divine right
Speaker 3: of kings MAYRAVINGI and bloodline idea, which I don't necessarily
Speaker 3: believe that they have any special bloodline, but like any
Speaker 3: other uh you know, monarchy kind of bloodline. I think
Speaker 3: that this Christ's bloodline divine right of kings was a
Speaker 3: story that they used, whether they believed it or not,
Speaker 3: to kind of imbue their their dynasty with importance. And
Speaker 3: I think they saw the right and on the wall
Speaker 3: and decided the New World was the place to keep
Speaker 3: that power and that control structure going and and just
Speaker 3: do it with a different with a different face on it.
Speaker 3: And I think, right then is where you see America
Speaker 3: come up and masonry come up at the same time,
Speaker 3: and the monarchy drop off. But then you look at
Speaker 3: Scottish right freemasonry and it is I'm about to show
Speaker 3: you it's it. Scottish righte Freemasonry connects Kabbala, this book
Speaker 3: right here, the sixteen eleven King James, Bible, and am
Speaker 3: I missing something that's in Francis Bacon all together? So?
Speaker 3: First off, this first Folio is structured like an initiatory
Speaker 3: ladder and not like any of the kind of anthologies
Speaker 3: of its time. The First Folio, I'm sorry, yeah, the
Speaker 3: First Folio first book in English history to divide dramatic
Speaker 3: works into three distinct sections, comedies, histories and tragedies. But
Speaker 3: it is identical logic to an initiatory system. In the
Speaker 3: three steps there being purification, advancement, and mastery slash sacrifice
Speaker 3: exactly like a degree system, but published nearly a century
Speaker 3: before the Scottish writes thirty three or thirty three degree system.
Speaker 3: So if Masonry borrowed from Shakespeare, how did Shakespeare already
Speaker 3: arrange his canon? And really not Shakespeare because he didn't exist.
Speaker 3: But the people who are who did arrange the first
Speaker 3: folio of Shakespeare? How do they arrange it in a
Speaker 3: multi stage initiation kind of system. So the sequence of
Speaker 3: the plays in the folio kind of mirror that ladder
Speaker 3: of like esoteric order. You've got the Tempest, which is
Speaker 3: an initiation. I've got a good friend, Robert Frederick. He
Speaker 3: has a great podcast called The Hidden Life is Best.
Speaker 3: He just became on a whim a Bacon scholar, and
Speaker 3: now he digs into all the Shakespeare works and he
Speaker 3: just picks them apart and each i mean two three
Speaker 3: hour episodes, each one on a different play, and they're incredible.
Speaker 3: And so actually what got me onto this particular track
Speaker 3: was I was doing a podcast with him and uh,
Speaker 3: he had just he did the Tempest on my suggestion
Speaker 3: because he had done Romeo and Juliet. I think, as
Speaker 3: you like it Macbeth, and he pulled all these Masonic
Speaker 3: principles out of there and really showed how they were,
Speaker 3: you know, almost undeniably written by a rose Crucian for
Speaker 3: that specific purpose. And he was asking which one I
Speaker 3: thought he should do next, and I was like, the tempest,
Speaker 3: and the tempest is near and dear to my heart.
Speaker 3: Because living in Virginia, not a ton of people know this,
Speaker 3: but you know, sixteen seven they sent John Smith and
Speaker 3: the whole crew over here, and that whole Pocahontas trip happened, right,
Speaker 3: And but they kept dying, They kept getting mrked by
Speaker 3: the natives and starving and eating each other. In sixteen
Speaker 3: oh eight, they send another supply mission over. They eat
Speaker 3: all that food, they're all dying out again. So then
Speaker 3: Francis Bacon takes it upon himself and mounts a massive
Speaker 3: supply mission, which is nine ships sent from sent from
Speaker 3: Plymouth over like six hundred people. They hit a This
Speaker 3: is in sixteen oh nine, they hit a hurricane right
Speaker 3: around Bermuda, and everybody survives except for two small two
Speaker 3: small ships. And that's a whole another route of research
Speaker 3: that I'm doing as well, which was some pretty interesting stuff,
Speaker 3: but it's a rabbit hole. So two ships disappear forever.
Speaker 3: Six ships make it to the So yeah, six ships
Speaker 3: make it right away to pretty much right away to
Speaker 3: James Sound to resupply, and during the hurricane, the largest
Speaker 3: of the ships crash lands on Bermuda. Purposely, they shipwreck
Speaker 3: themselves to avoid the storm, and about one hundred people
Speaker 3: on that I believe it was about one hundred people
Speaker 3: were on that ship, and they disembarked live on Bermuda
Speaker 3: for a full year. While they're on Bermuda, they take
Speaker 3: apart the old ship, build two new ships, and by
Speaker 3: sixteen to ten they set sail again and they make
Speaker 3: it over to James Sound. And once they get to Jamestown,
Speaker 3: one of the guys who was at Bermuda on the
Speaker 3: crash landing, this guy named William Strakie. William Strakey just
Speaker 3: happens to be one of those guys who was in
Speaker 3: Francis Bacon's literary societ. He gets to Jamestown, he writes
Speaker 3: a full report of everything that happens that happened for
Speaker 3: the year on Bermuda, and he sends it to Francis
Speaker 3: Bacon's new wife, and in sixteen eleven, William Shakespeare, or
Speaker 3: under the name William Shakespeare, a play is published called
Speaker 3: The Tempest, and it's all about a crash landing. I
Speaker 3: mean there's even like six names that are used as
Speaker 3: six characters in the play have names that are like,
Speaker 3: if the guy's name was John, it would be Ron.
Speaker 3: I mean they're that close. It's it's ridiculous. The play
Speaker 3: The Tempest is about the crash landing on Bermuda that
Speaker 3: was headed to Virginia. But it is one when you
Speaker 3: break it down, it is an absolute first initiation into
Speaker 3: a mystery. It's it's kind of the crappiest of Shakespeare's
Speaker 3: I think. And so you have one of Bacon's buddies
Speaker 3: writes the Report of what Happened in sixteen ten, and
Speaker 3: in sixteen eleven, that is the last play that this
Speaker 3: Shakespeare guy ever writes. Right. The weird thing is is
Speaker 3: that it appears first ten years ten to fifteen years
Speaker 3: later in the sixteen twenty three first folio of Shakespeare, right,
Speaker 3: thirty six plays and the very last one that he wrote,
Speaker 3: and arguably kind of the weirdest and kind of off.
Speaker 3: It's like Shakespeare's Twin Peaks. It's it's very strange that
Speaker 3: gets that gets it's first in the folio. So let's
Speaker 3: see if I've lost me where I was going next,
Speaker 3: but might not have. Okay, here we go, all right,
Speaker 3: talk amongst yourselves. Okay, So sixteen twenty three, the first
Speaker 3: folio goes out. Oh that's right. So while I'm talking
Speaker 3: to Robert Frederick, this Bacon scholar, he's talking about the Tempest,
Speaker 3: and he drops it on me that it's an initiation.
Speaker 3: It's allegory. The entire Tempest, first play in the folio
Speaker 3: of Shakespeare is an initiation allegory. And I start thinking
Speaker 3: back to my own personal Shakespeare knowledge, and I know
Speaker 3: that there's thirty six plays, and I go, well, dang,
Speaker 3: if that's the first If that's the first degree of freemasonry,
Speaker 3: the Tempest. There's thirty six plays in Shakespeare. And while
Speaker 3: he's like talking, I'm literally pulling up other windows and
Speaker 3: going through and looking, because I know that there's several
Speaker 3: plays of Shakespeare's that are have two and one of
Speaker 3: them has three parts. So as I can wonder if
Speaker 3: I put the plays together that have more than one
Speaker 3: part into one play, which is what they were. They
Speaker 3: were just published separately because they were very long plays
Speaker 3: and performed separately. If I match those down, what number
Speaker 3: would I get? And of course I get thirty three plays.
Speaker 3: So I spend the last two months picking through the
Speaker 3: plays as best that I can and lining them up
Speaker 3: in the order they are in this book to the
Speaker 3: thirty three degrees of Scottish righte free masonry, which seems
Speaker 3: off because Scottish righte masonry doesn't come around until the
Speaker 3: seventeen hundreds, But if you actually look into the history,
Speaker 3: depending on how far you take it back, I know,
Speaker 3: for at least for me, that in Edinburgh there was
Speaker 3: a lodge in well, let's see here. What's referred to
Speaker 3: is proto Scottish rite free masonries, and the theory is
Speaker 3: that it existed between fifteen hundred and sixteen hundred that early,
Speaker 3: so just you know, just before the first Stuart King.
Speaker 3: So a guy named William Shaw or there was something
Speaker 3: that came out called the William Shaw Statutes between fifteen
Speaker 3: ninety eight and fifteen ninety nine, and it established a
Speaker 3: set of regulations for Scottish masons that look more like
Speaker 3: mystical guild laws than operative rules. Shaw refers to masters
Speaker 3: of the lodge and wardens in the same way that
Speaker 3: they use master and warden in the operative speculative masonry lodges. Now,
Speaker 3: there was an unusual wave of esoteric hermetic rosicrution activity
Speaker 3: in Europe between fifteen eighty and sixteen twenty. Bruno D
Speaker 3: Flood Bacon and the earliest known non operative or symbolic
Speaker 3: masons appear in scott Land before sixteen hundred, and we
Speaker 3: know that I think it was fifteen ninety eight King
Speaker 3: James the First, who becomes the first Stuart King was
Speaker 3: initiated into that Edinburgh Scottish lodge. So there is a
Speaker 3: precedent that masonry was going on in at least Scotland
Speaker 3: for sure, much earlier. And I believe that through the
Speaker 3: Mayravnian line and these different monarchies with these this divine
Speaker 3: right to rule kind of ethos, I believe that they
Speaker 3: were practicing these kind of ancient mystery schools in one
Speaker 3: way or another all the way back to the Mayorvngi
Speaker 3: and probably much further depending on when it was adopted
Speaker 3: from their kind of a.
Speaker 1: Question really quick about that? Actually, yeah, because I know
Speaker 1: that I know that the Mayorvngians play a part in
Speaker 1: like the Shakespeare thing. But what is Francis Bacon supposed
Speaker 1: to be from, like the mayor of Vingie and bloodline
Speaker 1: or something is that.
Speaker 3: It depends on how you look at that history, which
Speaker 3: is super murky. H Francis Bacon was basically raised by
Speaker 3: Queen Elizabeth, the first Queen Elizabeth was queen. So there's
Speaker 3: also speculation that Francis Bacon was the illegitimate son of
Speaker 3: Queen Elizabeth. So after Queen Elizabeth becomes the Queen in
Speaker 3: the about six months before Francis Bacon is born to her,
Speaker 3: Lord Keeper of the Seal, some people. It's on record
Speaker 3: that some folks went to to see Queen Elizabeth at
Speaker 3: court and then came back, and subsequently, a few weeks
Speaker 3: after they came back to their fifdoms and whatever, they
Speaker 3: got their tongues cut out, and they got hung and
Speaker 3: they got their heads cut off because there's a rumor
Speaker 3: that they were spreading around that I just went and
Speaker 3: saw the queen and I don't think she's a virgin
Speaker 3: queen anymore, because a bitch looks pregnant, right, And so
Speaker 3: it's on record these people who you know, got mrked
Speaker 3: because they were spreading this rumor about the infidelity of
Speaker 3: the Queen. Well Francis Bacon is born to I can't
Speaker 3: remember his dad's name, but he was the lord keeper
Speaker 3: of the Seal four Queen Elizabeth like top advisor, and
Speaker 3: immediately upon his birth he is moved into the court.
Speaker 3: The baby he is educated by the Crown and then
Speaker 3: put through either Cambridge or Oxford and then on to
Speaker 3: Gray's Inn to learn law and then immediately becomes part
Speaker 3: of the court and starts taking on advisory roles and
Speaker 3: things like that with Queen Elizabeth. Now Queen Elizabeth's mom
Speaker 3: was Anne Boleyn. Anne Boleyn was the chick that King
Speaker 3: Henry the Eighth stopped Catholicism in England.
Speaker 5: Four.
Speaker 3: So King Henry the Eighth was married to Catherine of
Speaker 3: it always sounds like a Lord of the Rings. It's Spain.
Speaker 3: But Queen Catherine was King Henry the Eighth's wife. She
Speaker 3: couldn't give him any kids, so he wanted a divorcer.
Speaker 3: He went to the Pope and was like, Pope, can
Speaker 3: I please get a divorce? And the Pope said no,
Speaker 3: And that's where the big schism in the split in
Speaker 3: England comes in. And so King Henry the eighth and
Speaker 3: the Bishop of I guess Canterbury create this Anglican Church
Speaker 3: of England thing. And the next chick is Anne Berlin,
Speaker 3: and Berlin you follow her maternal blood line back, she
Speaker 3: is Plantagenet, and the Plantagenet come from the maternal side
Speaker 3: of the Mayrivingians, so it goes Marrivngian, and then on
Speaker 3: the maternal side of the Maryvingian as they die out
Speaker 3: the Carolinians. So you're talking about the Court of Charlemagne.
Speaker 3: The maternal side of the Court of Charlemagne was comes
Speaker 3: from the Mayor Ofvngians. And then the maternal side of
Speaker 3: the Court of Charlemagne creates the Plantagenet line, and then
Speaker 3: on up and then and it moves right into the
Speaker 3: Bruces and the Stewarts and and then.
Speaker 1: Obviously that's the Megan Markele thing, right because she's from
Speaker 1: Robert the Bruce's line. So she's got like they were like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, he found this really nice black girl, and
Speaker 1: he's going rogue. No he's not, Like, he's not going rogue.
Speaker 3: Legitimately, Megan Markle has a stronger claim to the throne
Speaker 3: if I mean the Stewarts. That's what I've said for
Speaker 3: years Stuarts. Yeah, the Stewarts had a stronger claim to
Speaker 3: the throne before Queen Elizabeth. So when he got the
Speaker 3: divorce from Catherine Mary, Queen of Scott's, who was the
Speaker 3: Queen of Scotland at the time, she had a better
Speaker 3: claim to the throne than any of King Henry the
Speaker 3: Eight's children, because all King Henry the Eight's children were
Speaker 3: their mothers were not noble women. They were of no
Speaker 3: like kind of monarch bloodline. But King Henry the Eight's brother,
Speaker 3: if I'm not mistaken, or his sister, Mary, Queen of
Speaker 3: Scott's is the daughter, he's like the uncle to Mary,
Speaker 3: Queen of Scott's, So Mary Queen of Scott's had a
Speaker 3: better claim to the throne. But of course they didn't
Speaker 3: let that happen. First, they let Henry the Eight's sickly
Speaker 3: little like young son. He dies, and then bloody Mary
Speaker 3: becomes the queen and she doesn't end up with an
Speaker 3: air and she dies, and then Queen Elizabeth she's like
Speaker 3: last in line. Because I think Anne Boleyn was kind
Speaker 3: of the viewed by the monarchy as the skeasiest of
Speaker 3: all Henry's chicks, and so Elizabeth spent most of her
Speaker 3: life in the Tower of London, like in prison, because
Speaker 3: Bloody Mary was afraid they were going to depose her
Speaker 3: and put Elizabeth in anyway, so Elizabeth doesn't have a
Speaker 3: strong claim to the throne. It's her cousin over in Scotland.
Speaker 3: And Queen Elizabeth when she gets on the throne, she's
Speaker 3: so sketched out that Mary, Queen of Scott's is going
Speaker 3: to take her out and take over the throne that
Speaker 3: she finally has They come to an agreement and she's like, look,
Speaker 3: if you don't try to kill me and take my
Speaker 3: throne when I die, since I'm the virgin Queen, I'll
Speaker 3: name your son James as my heir right. So they
Speaker 3: make that agreement and then Queen Elizabeth has Mary, Queen
Speaker 3: of Scott's head cut off anyway, But when Queen Elizabeth dies,
Speaker 3: that is when King James the First becomes the King
Speaker 3: of England and thus the first Stuart, and that brings
Speaker 3: in the Bruces and the mayor Bengie implantation, and that
Speaker 3: that whole line all comes together with the Stewarts. And
Speaker 3: I forgot where I was real quick.
Speaker 4: If you don't mind, then I'll want to look.
Speaker 2: I can't remember even specific, so it might have been
Speaker 2: Michael Meyer or Michael Mayer, and I can't remember the
Speaker 2: other people. Well, there was I going back a year
Speaker 2: and a half two years ago, there was some certain
Speaker 2: alchemists or occultists that me and me and Lisa had
Speaker 2: covered that were all somehow like showing up around King James,
Speaker 2: which I had no idea.
Speaker 4: I never really.
Speaker 2: Didn't realize how much yeah was and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: there's way too many now to where it's coincidence.
Speaker 3: So so you you definitely have him getting initiated into
Speaker 3: the into the that very early lodge in Scotland, and
Speaker 3: then he was surrounded by the same type of people
Speaker 3: that Queen Elizabeth was. I mean she she's John Dee's chick.
Speaker 3: I mean John d was her like personal kind of
Speaker 3: spiritual advisor. And that is who most likely Francis Bacon
Speaker 3: was tutored. You imagine your your mom is the queen,
Speaker 3: but she's not claiming you as her son. And then
Speaker 3: she's got this you know, the original Double seven, spying
Speaker 3: and talking to angel demons to tell her how to
Speaker 3: run the country. And then this little kid kicking around
Speaker 3: the court is getting and there's only there's like no
Speaker 3: letters or evidence that Francis Bacon had any contact or
Speaker 3: anything with John D. But it's so completely obvious by
Speaker 3: their interests and their their their education that he was
Speaker 3: probably his biggest mentor there's one wood cutting that they
Speaker 3: found and people use it for all kinds of like podcasts,
Speaker 3: like thumbnails and whatnot. But it's it's an old wizard
Speaker 3: looking wizard guy who is John D, holding like passing
Speaker 3: a lantern to a younger man, and that they're pretty
Speaker 3: sure that depicts John D. And Francis Bacon. I think
Speaker 3: that it's official that the old guy is John D.
Speaker 3: And they don't know who the other guy is that
Speaker 3: he's passing the enlightenment onto.
Speaker 1: But it's it's so what do you think about Like
Speaker 1: I think Shakespeare could have been you hinted at this
Speaker 1: like a court of people or a council of people
Speaker 1: that in Francis Bacon was on there. But they say,
Speaker 1: you know, oh, well Shakespeare wrote the Bible, King James Bible.
Speaker 1: No that, but it would have been it would have
Speaker 1: been somebody or all of the members of the court,
Speaker 1: right or yeah.
Speaker 3: So that's the funny thing about the King James Bible.
Speaker 3: And and also remember too that sixteen eleven the Bible
Speaker 3: comes out, and that's the same year that the very
Speaker 3: last Shakespeare play comes out. So it's like off a
Speaker 3: one project and onto the next project, and they'll that'll
Speaker 3: play in when I actually finally get into the meat
Speaker 3: of this stuff. It'll really play into this research the
Speaker 3: Bible with Shakespeare. So it's kind of funny because, as
Speaker 3: I understand it, people say a common myth is that
Speaker 3: Shakespeare wrote the Bible. But they say that because he
Speaker 3: met the Shakespeare guy, because he ran in the same circles,
Speaker 3: may have been a part of the group that historically
Speaker 3: we know that Francis Bacon was the head of that
Speaker 3: wrote the King James Bible for King James. So like
Speaker 3: Francis Bacon was officially what we know of, he was
Speaker 3: the kind of head of the council that was putting
Speaker 3: together the King James Bible. And so people assume Shakespeare
Speaker 3: wrote the King James Bible because he was part of
Speaker 3: that group. But then when you say that Francis Bacon
Speaker 3: might probably wrote Shakespeare because he was part of that group,
Speaker 3: people are like, no, come on this, you know, I
Speaker 3: mean Straffordians. They're like, that can't be possible, even though
Speaker 3: there's far more, you know, evidence that Francis Bacon may
Speaker 3: have quite quite quite possibly have been the most brilliant
Speaker 3: person to ever walk the face of the planet.
Speaker 1: I mean, he absolutely, I'm starting to gather that just
Speaker 1: based on, like, you know, doing some of my own
Speaker 1: research about him, and he keeps popping up and shit,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, who is this dude? He's like fucking
Speaker 1: obscure kind of Yeah, he's everywhere in nowhere, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's I think I have a quote here somewhere.
Speaker 3: I can't remember what it was, but it was a
Speaker 3: really great Shakespeare and Bacon quote. But yeah, Francis Bacon
Speaker 3: in his time. Somebody had said that Francis Bacon, by
Speaker 3: the age of twelve, had already read everything in print.
Speaker 3: He spoke like four or five languages by that age.
Speaker 3: By fifteen, he was at either Oxford or Cambridge, I
Speaker 3: can't remember which one, going to college. By sixteen he
Speaker 3: quit because he was bored, and by like I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: maybe fourteen he was there. By fifteen he quit, and
Speaker 3: then by sixteen he was back teaching, so he was
Speaker 3: teaching at one of those two prestigious schools when he
Speaker 3: was barely just a teenager, you know, and then moves
Speaker 3: on to Gray's Inn, becomes a great lawyer. And then
Speaker 3: it is in the court not only that he was
Speaker 3: doing the same things that John d was, and that
Speaker 3: he was he had a big hand in Elizabeth kind
Speaker 3: of spy network. He was writing tons of ciphers and
Speaker 3: mathematics and cryptology and doing it. I mean, he created
Speaker 3: the scientific method. He was he was absolutely brilliant. I mean,
Speaker 3: there's definitely evidence that he was a polymath and he
Speaker 3: could have written plays and done impossible math work. And
Speaker 3: but did that person just say they were bored? I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 4: It's also before sixteen.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, this threw me. I thought she was bored
Speaker 3: with me. Oh no, no, no, Anyway, I should probably
Speaker 3: get into the actual because I've been rambling for like
Speaker 3: an hour and it's I haven't even gotten into it yet.
Speaker 4: So alright, all right, all.
Speaker 3: Right, all right, right, So the whole tempest thing got
Speaker 3: me interested. I found the connection there with the thirty three,
Speaker 3: the thirty three degrees of Freemasonry, and so I plotted
Speaker 3: them all out and mapped them all out and I'm
Speaker 3: just gonna go. What I found was they were exact.
Speaker 3: Every single degree explains every single play, and every single
Speaker 3: play has elements of every single one of its corresponding degrees.
Speaker 3: And it's it's eerily so you.
Speaker 2: Know, there's one thing I want to mention too, like
Speaker 2: this times you know this, This is really interesting that
Speaker 2: you're saying this. I would even wonder about some of
Speaker 2: these in orders because could those be other books or something,
Speaker 2: because there's been times of me and the first I
Speaker 2: think luck is with him we had common I think
Speaker 2: quats and a couple.
Speaker 4: Of in orders. Oh yeah, yeah, he says, And they
Speaker 4: will mention Shakespeare.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they claim him, they claim him as as
Speaker 3: their own. I mean, he becomes part of that lore
Speaker 3: like Hiram abif you know, I mean, I think we
Speaker 3: all know that there wasn't actually a guy named Hiram Abiff,
Speaker 3: but it it it explains some part of their of
Speaker 3: their story. And it's kind of the same as that
Speaker 3: Mary Bengian, you know, Christ's bloodline, like it imbues that
Speaker 3: monarchy with importance and the more folks that they you know,
Speaker 3: my buddy is Daniel Duke, who is the great great
Speaker 3: grandson of the real Jesse James. And you know, I
Speaker 3: asked him if he was getting any He's the guy
Speaker 3: that wrote Jesse James and the Lost Templar Treasure, which
Speaker 3: I know sounds crazy. That's why I bought the book,
Speaker 3: but it's insane. Jesse James was part of the Knights
Speaker 3: of the Golden Circle. He was a freemason, and his
Speaker 3: maps that have been uncovered match up to all the
Speaker 3: Templar symbol symbolism and whatnot. And I asked him, I
Speaker 3: was like, are you worried, you know, you're you know,
Speaker 3: exposing some of this stuff, and he was like, no, no,
Speaker 3: He's like they they love me, man. They did a
Speaker 3: blurb for the back of my book and whatnot. Because
Speaker 3: these guys added to their it doesn't it doesn't hurt them,
Speaker 3: and they can pick and choose and you know, kind
Speaker 3: of explain to their their adepts who was real and
Speaker 3: who wasn't, and who's who were using as allegory or
Speaker 3: symbolism and anyway. So I map those thirty three degrees
Speaker 3: to the thirty three plays that start off as thirty six,
Speaker 3: but I combined the plays that have more than one
Speaker 3: part and then that led me to mapping both the
Speaker 3: degrees and the plays onto another thing that I'll get
Speaker 3: to as I as I go through a few of
Speaker 3: these plays, and then that led me to another piece
Speaker 3: of esotericism that maps on to all of them. So
Speaker 3: this is four kind of streams of data that all
Speaker 3: all come together. And stream three and four are stream
Speaker 3: three for sure, I don't think anybody, because I can't
Speaker 3: find it anywhere. Nobody's ever mentioned what I'll show you,
Speaker 3: which is like stream three. Now, obviously the Masons have
Speaker 3: talked about Shakespeare being one of their guys. I've even
Speaker 3: heard it said that Shakespeare wrote our Our Our, our bylaws.
Speaker 3: I think a Mason has actually said that to me.
Speaker 3: So that theory is out there. I My point with
Speaker 3: this is to kind of show that the framework was
Speaker 3: already there before. Yeah, there's all kinds of great uh
Speaker 3: geometry in the the shakespeare first folio. But my point
Speaker 3: is to kind of show that the the framework for
Speaker 3: masonry was there in the Shakespearean plays before the Scottish
Speaker 3: rite of freemasonry. And so that's the line of succession.
Speaker 3: Because I think a lot of people could just look
Speaker 3: at it and go, oh, yeah, the degrees match up
Speaker 3: because obviously, you know, Scottish Rite came after Shakespeare, and
Speaker 3: so they thought this was a cool book, and they
Speaker 3: took the symbolism out of it, but I think they
Speaker 3: recognized the symbolism that was already there anyway. So I'm
Speaker 3: gonna go through the tempest real quick. First, quick summary
Speaker 3: of the tempest. Prospero, the rightful Duke of Milan and
Speaker 3: master of the magical Arts, use a sorcery to shipwreck
Speaker 3: his usurping brother and others upon his island. Through careful
Speaker 3: through carefully orchestrated illusions, he confronts betrayal, restores harmony, and
Speaker 3: ultimately chooses forgiveness over vengeance. In masonry, the entered apprentice
Speaker 3: that's the first degree, represents initiation, purification in the awakening
Speaker 3: of latent potential. It symbolizes the beginning of the spiritual
Speaker 3: journey and moving from chaos into ordered understanding and entering
Speaker 3: the island of symbolic instruction. So in the play, Prospero
Speaker 3: functions as the initiator. He guides all the others on
Speaker 3: the on the island through ordeals, storms, illusions, tests the
Speaker 3: character much like the candidate and freemasonry is guided through
Speaker 3: symbolic storms. Ariel performs the role of spiritual messenger, while
Speaker 3: Caliban embodies the unrefined natural man. The apprentice must overcome.
Speaker 3: The entire island becomes an allegorical lodge of transformation. So
Speaker 3: I read those two things together and go, okay, that's
Speaker 3: one for one tempest to the first degree. Right. So
Speaker 3: then I pull out my old trustee copy of Morals
Speaker 3: and Dogma, and I'm like, well, let me just dig
Speaker 3: through these and see what signs and symbols and things
Speaker 3: like that from each degree might map onto the plays
Speaker 3: as well. Right, So first degree, the entered apprenticed the
Speaker 3: degree symbols. There are a twenty four inch gauge, which
Speaker 3: is a measurement of time, the common gavel for breaking
Speaker 3: away vices, the rough ashlar, which is just a rough stone,
Speaker 3: and the light or the great light. So the way
Speaker 3: that's mirrored in the tempest is Prospero's entire magical operation
Speaker 3: is timed to the minute in the play, the hour
Speaker 3: has now come as a quote, mirroring the twenty four
Speaker 3: inch gauge as the symbol of time management. The shipwreck
Speaker 3: Nobles or the rough ashlar is broken down by trials.
Speaker 3: The Island experience chips away their vices just like the gavel,
Speaker 3: and then the final reconciliation is the perfect Ashlar, the
Speaker 3: raw characters refined. So as I'm going through that, I start,
Speaker 3: I don't know if I can pick this up and
Speaker 3: show you guys real quick another really strange. This book
Speaker 3: is batshit crazy? Can you see that? Do you see?
Speaker 3: This is the table of contents, right, do you see?
Speaker 3: Just take a quick look at the numbers of the pages,
Speaker 3: and what you'll notice is like the tempest starts at
Speaker 3: page one, but then all the other page numbers are
Speaker 3: out of order. You can be on page two hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty, flip over two pages and you're on page
Speaker 3: forty five and then and that's that's something that people
Speaker 3: have brought up about this. I mean, here's page ninety three.
Speaker 3: I go back a big chunk fifty way back here.
Speaker 3: I'm back to fifty five. I mean, and I've always
Speaker 3: thought that that meant something, But I'm not mathematically minded.
Speaker 3: So whatever codes that you know, Petro Aminsen and the
Speaker 3: Oak Island boys are figuring out, like I don't have
Speaker 3: the wherewithal. But what I did notice was that the
Speaker 3: very last, the very last play in the Shakespearean First
Speaker 3: Folio starts on page three sixty nine, and it's only
Speaker 3: about five or six pages long, right, So that puts
Speaker 3: me around three hundred and seventy five. And so I
Speaker 3: start looking around, like, what from sixteen to eleven, what
Speaker 3: was Bacon involved in that might match to that? Well,
Speaker 3: three sixty nine is like a perfect number. I can't
Speaker 3: remember I went through all that, but I try to
Speaker 3: stay away from the numerology as much as I can.
Speaker 3: But I start looking around, and what I find is
Speaker 3: that Proverbs in the Bible has exactly three hundred and
Speaker 3: seventy five proverbs. So Solomon wrote proverbs. We all know
Speaker 3: that Francis Bacon was obsessed with Solomon, the Masons are
Speaker 3: obsessed with Solomon. And I'm like, maybe this is a match.
Speaker 3: And since we have this whole table of random numbers,
Speaker 3: almost this random number generator, I was like, there's no
Speaker 3: way that these these numbers could match up to the
Speaker 3: corresponding the play with the corresponding proverb. And so when
Speaker 3: I say three hundred and seventy five proverbs, these proverbs
Speaker 3: are things like, uh, let's see here a wise son
Speaker 3: maketh a glad father, but a foolish son is the
Speaker 3: heaviness of his mother. They're like two line little pieces
Speaker 3: of wisdom that Solomon wrote down. And the crazy thing
Speaker 3: is is that nobody in the history of the Bible
Speaker 3: has ever took Everybody talks about how amazing advice this
Speaker 3: solemnonic these proverbs are, but nobody wants has ever gone
Speaker 3: and just pulled them out in order and just put one, two, three, four, five,
Speaker 3: Nobody all the way down to three seventy five. So
Speaker 3: I had to open the Bible and go through three
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy five proverbs in order and write them
Speaker 3: down right. And I'm glad I did because so and
Speaker 3: what you'll see with the way these map in the
Speaker 3: beginning degrees just like the degrees are in masonry. It's
Speaker 3: a little light. The symbolism fits, but it might be
Speaker 3: a little bit tangential and a little fluffy and not real.
Speaker 3: There's not a whole lot of like weight on it.
Speaker 3: And then as we get further and further and further in,
Speaker 3: it becomes more exact and more perfectly matched up with everything,
Speaker 3: to the point where the proverb that matches up with
Speaker 3: Titus Andronicus. Titus Andronicus is a is a tragedy play
Speaker 3: by Shakespeare, And at one point somebody cuts the tongues
Speaker 3: out of his daughter, or the tongue out of it's
Speaker 3: either two daughters, and anyway, somebody gets a tongue cut out.
Speaker 3: And the proverb that matches up and and remember we're
Speaker 3: not just going in order one through thirty three proverbs.
Speaker 3: We're going from proverb one to proverb twenty to proverb
Speaker 3: thirty eight to proverbs sixty one, and they match up
Speaker 3: bank bang bang bang, And the proverb that matches up
Speaker 3: with Titus Andronicus literally talks about cutting someone's tongue out.
Speaker 3: So I beyond that. So I find this stuff, and
Speaker 3: I map out all these dang proverbs, and then I
Speaker 3: move on because obviously the number thirty three is popping
Speaker 3: up over and over and over and over and over again.
Speaker 3: And the other piece of this Bacon Shakespeare Mason kind
Speaker 3: of salad is always kabbala. You always hear, you know,
Speaker 3: the kabbala is basically a basis for masonry, and that
Speaker 3: everything kind of distills in each degree kind of distills
Speaker 3: back to a Kabbalistic principle and I've asked master masons.
Speaker 3: I asked the the worshipful master of a lodge, like, hey,
Speaker 3: what do you know about the Kabbala? This is a
Speaker 3: thirty two degree, a thirty second degree Mason. He's like,
Speaker 3: I've never even heard of it. Now I know the
Speaker 3: guy pretty well, and if he was, you know, if
Speaker 3: he was bullshitting me, I feel like i'd have known it.
Speaker 3: But I've asked other people, and you can go online
Speaker 3: to forums and stuff like that and you'll see you'll
Speaker 3: see masons all day be like nothing to do with Kabbala, like,
Speaker 3: but it's absolutely clear that it is. And if you
Speaker 3: read Morals and Dogmen anything by Albert Pike, the Kapala
Speaker 3: was Pikes. That was his preferred kind of esoteric kind
Speaker 3: of framework. So it is in there, specifically in Scottish
Speaker 3: rite free masonry. So I start looking around into the Kabbala.
Speaker 2: Oh real quick, I just want to say, like, uh,
Speaker 2: I know for a fact that well, I mean, that's
Speaker 2: what they even admit it, but it maybe maybe it's
Speaker 2: not true, but yeah, Astra Mogentum, even if you look
Speaker 2: up their initiatives, I guess degree system they even show
Speaker 2: you how like the degrees match the tree. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: they kind of make it. Oh, they kind of like
Speaker 2: you know, in explaining it.
Speaker 3: Well, so does the what I found is? So does
Speaker 3: it match with the degrees, the thirty three degrees of
Speaker 3: freemasonry and the thirty three plays of William Shakespeare. So
Speaker 3: I found this thing called the thirty two paths of
Speaker 3: wisdom in Kabbala. It comes from the Book of Formation,
Speaker 3: and it describes the thirty two paths of wisdom as
Speaker 3: these are the ten sepharat, So one through ten is
Speaker 3: the ten cepharat on the tree of life, and then
Speaker 3: below that is the twenty two letters of the Hebrew alphabet.
Speaker 3: And so that gives you thirty two paths. But Kabbala
Speaker 3: always speaks of the thirty third path that cannot be named,
Speaker 3: the path beyond form, corresponding to ketter or einsoft. It's
Speaker 3: heavily emphasized in Lurianic Kabala, Hermetic kabala, which is of
Speaker 3: Bacon's day, sixteenth and seventeenth, the seventeenth century Christian novelists,
Speaker 3: and Rosa Cruscian manuscripts. So this particular kind of ladder
Speaker 3: of thirty three pathways maps right onto the time and
Speaker 3: place that Francis Bacon was was, you know, messing around
Speaker 3: and working off of So I've gone through. I'm not
Speaker 3: going to go through all thirty three plays, but I
Speaker 3: do have some favorites. Trust me when I say that
Speaker 3: they all match up pretty great. But I'm gonna jump.
Speaker 3: So we went through the Tempest a little bit. Let's
Speaker 3: do much Ado about Nothing. That's the sixth degree. Much
Speaker 3: Ado in About Nothing is the sixth play. It is
Speaker 3: the sixth degree of Scottish rape free Masonry is the
Speaker 3: intimate secretary. The summary of the play, Beatrice and Benedict
Speaker 3: engage in witty verbal combat, while Claudio and Hero navigate
Speaker 3: betrayal and reconciliation. Love triumphs, but only after truth is
Speaker 3: brought to light. In masonry, the degree centers on confidential service,
Speaker 3: accurate witnessing, and faithful transmission of truth. So the sexton
Speaker 3: in the play is a character in the play acts
Speaker 3: as a recorder. So literally this is the intimate secretary
Speaker 3: in the the sexton.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like a astronomical device as.
Speaker 3: Well, I believe. So, yeah, the no sextant, I think. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so they have a secretary, and just so you know,
Speaker 3: there's not a lot of secretary parts in other shakespeare
Speaker 3: In plays, so that's interesting. He acts for as recorder
Speaker 3: for dogbery. He embodies the secretary role literacy, truth keeping,
Speaker 3: and the ability to discern fact from falsehood. The central
Speaker 3: conflict heroes Slander dramatizes the dangers of false reports, a
Speaker 3: core lesson of the degree. So right there, the core
Speaker 3: lesson of the degree is mapped out right into the
Speaker 3: right into the play there and then from morals and dogma.
Speaker 3: The degree symbols two class hands, curtains, half drawn triangular
Speaker 3: arrangement of secret letters red and white, which stand for
Speaker 3: passion and purity. The way that mirrors in the play.
Speaker 3: The entire plot revolves around broken trust rebuilding of confidence
Speaker 3: between characters hero, Claudio, Benedict and Beatrice. Everything is overheard
Speaker 3: behind curtains, hedges, partial concealments, perfect symbol of the half
Speaker 3: drawn veil red and white. Obviously this is a All
Speaker 3: his comedies are also love triangles. So red and white,
Speaker 3: hero's innocence stained by false accusation red bam. And then
Speaker 3: we go to six on the proverbs much ado. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that is proverb one oh one or proverbs for eighteen
Speaker 3: the wisdom of the prudent is to understand his way,
Speaker 3: But the folly of the fool is deceit. Aligns with
Speaker 3: the sixth degree, the intimate secretary. The degree stresses discernment,
Speaker 3: accurate record, truth versus deception accurate record. You're talking about
Speaker 3: that secretary there. The wisdom of the prudent is to
Speaker 3: understand his way equals the secretary's duty. Folly is deceit.
Speaker 3: That's the degrees warning, Don Pedro and Leonardo equal prudence
Speaker 3: and understanding. Claudio is deceived, Benedict and Beatrice truth disguised
Speaker 3: aes wit, and Don Don John Fali is deceit incarnate.
Speaker 3: So the sixth degree is about the ability to tell
Speaker 3: the truth from falhood and the entire plays in June,
Speaker 3: and then you run over here to the Kabbalah, and
Speaker 3: that particular play lines up with number six, the sixth pathway,
Speaker 3: which is tiffaret, which means beauty or harmony or harmony
Speaker 3: after conflict. So again tiffaret equals the heart. The heart
Speaker 3: equals Benedict and Beatrice harmony restored through speech, misunderstanding and reconciliation.
Speaker 3: So the other great thing about the Shakespeare plays mapping
Speaker 3: onto the degrees of free masonry is that they go
Speaker 3: the first I believe it's twelve plays. Let me make sure,
Speaker 3: all right, I'll get to it. Oh, here we go.
Speaker 3: The first fourteen plays in the in the Shakespeare folio
Speaker 3: are the comedies, and they are all light love triangles, comedic.
Speaker 3: Right at play number fifteen is where the histories and
Speaker 3: tragedies start in freemasonry. The first fourteen degrees are the
Speaker 3: ineffable degrees a little bit lighter. And then in the
Speaker 3: fifteenth degree, that's right where the historical and religious degrees begin,
Speaker 3: and so also where the histories and tragedies begin. In
Speaker 3: the first folio, I'm gonna jump to where are my
Speaker 3: stars at? Yeah, here we go. I'm mns jump to
Speaker 3: the eighteenth degree. I find this one. This grouping of
Speaker 3: these degrees and play is really interesting. So the play
Speaker 3: that we're talking about is Henry the Fifth. We've jumped
Speaker 3: to the the kind of nightly degrees, and we've jumped
Speaker 3: to the histories. In the Shakespearean plays, the eighteenth degree
Speaker 3: is the Night of the Rose Cross. The play is
Speaker 3: Henry the Fifth. It's interesting that also not only does
Speaker 3: is this where the kind of nightly degrees start, but
Speaker 3: it's also interesting that the first place that like Rosecicrucianism
Speaker 3: is mentioned within the degrees is the also the start
Speaker 3: of the histories. Here, so Henry the Fifth follows King
Speaker 3: Henry's transfermation from reckless prince to a responsible and inspiring monarch.
Speaker 3: The play centers on his leadership during the war with France,
Speaker 3: especially the Battle of agent Court. Themes include honor, duty, legitimacy,
Speaker 3: and the burden of kingship, as well as the attempt
Speaker 3: to reconcile former vices with present virtue. In masonry in
Speaker 3: the eighteenth degree, the Knight of the rose Cross degree
Speaker 3: used the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth to illustrate universal
Speaker 3: principles of life and morality. It emphasizes virtue over vice,
Speaker 3: tolerance over love, the reconciliation of opposites, the discovery of
Speaker 3: the true word or logos within oneself. It's a degree
Speaker 3: of inner transformation. In the play, Henry the Fifth can
Speaker 3: be read as a monarch undergoing rose Cross transformation. As
Speaker 3: far as reconciliation of opposites. Henry is both pious and ruthless.
Speaker 3: He speaks eloquently of honor and unity. We few we
Speaker 3: happy few remember that line, yet he threatens Halfer and
Speaker 3: sanctions executions. He wrestles with attentions between mercy and necessity.
Speaker 3: The true word within is represented by Henry's transformation from
Speaker 3: Prince hal to King. Henry suggests a man has aligned
Speaker 3: his outward actions with an inner sense of calling and kingship,
Speaker 3: a discovery of his royal logos tolerance and union. By
Speaker 3: seeking to unite England and France, symbolized through his marriage
Speaker 3: to Catherine, Henry attempts to heal divisions and build a
Speaker 3: broader unity and echo of the degrees called to transcend
Speaker 3: sectarianism and embrace the higher reconcilitatory love. You jumped to
Speaker 3: the signs and symbols of the eighteenth degree in freemasonry.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 3: Again this is really cool. So the eighteenth degree of
Speaker 3: Freemasonry is the Knight of the rose Cross. The play
Speaker 3: is King Henry the Fifth. Henry the Fifth was the
Speaker 3: last king before the War of Roses, and his son
Speaker 3: Presided was the King of England during the War of Roses.
Speaker 3: So the degree symbols are the rose Cross, the Pelican
Speaker 3: equal sacrifice, the eagle which the eagles vision, the lamb
Speaker 3: in seven seals, and red and white, and the way
Speaker 3: you find those. In the play, Henry repeatedly casts himself
Speaker 3: as the sacrificial leader, bearing the sins of his army,
Speaker 3: his transformation from how is a rose cross resurrection, and
Speaker 3: Asian Court is framed as the red and white miracle.
Speaker 3: And then that proverb. This is where the proverbs start
Speaker 3: to get a little bit more on the nose, even
Speaker 3: eighteen he this is again sixty nine page I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Play starts on page sixty nine. The proverb, the sixty
Speaker 3: ninth proverb is he that diligently seeketh good, procureth favor.
Speaker 3: But he that seeketh mischief, it shall come unto him,
Speaker 3: alignment with Henry the fifth. Henry diligently seeks good on
Speaker 3: her unity victory the French, and the French or the
Speaker 3: traders seek mischief in return to destroy them. So it's
Speaker 3: kind of it's almost a perfect alignment from virtue to
Speaker 3: favor to mischief to defeat. And then that mapping onto
Speaker 3: the Kabbala, even on the keystone too, for yeah, And
Speaker 3: then in Kabbala eighteen the path there is represented by
Speaker 3: the letter pe peh the mouth or speech. The great
Speaker 3: thing about I love that in this play. Do you
Speaker 3: remember the it's in movies and things like that, the
Speaker 3: famous Shakespearean speech once More unto the Breach. It's like
Speaker 3: a famous like rallying like thing. The two most famous
Speaker 3: like monologue like speeches in Shakespearean plays are contained within
Speaker 3: Henry the Fifth this one play. So it's the once
Speaker 3: More into the Breach speech and then the Saint Crispin's
Speaker 3: Day speech. You look any of those up. They've been
Speaker 3: quoted a million times in a million movies about war
Speaker 3: and whatnot, and specifically the path in the Kabbalah on
Speaker 3: that thirty three rung ladder of this of this cabalistic
Speaker 3: system means mouth or speech, obviously, speeches, power of the word,
Speaker 3: and the logos thing. Nineteenth degree is the degree u.
Speaker 3: Nineteenth degree is the Grand Pontiff. The play that corresponds
Speaker 3: is Henry the Sixth Play. Summary Across the Henry the
Speaker 3: Sixth Trilogy England's fortunes Decline Abroad and at Home. Part
Speaker 3: one shows the loss of France and the rise of
Speaker 3: Joan of Arc and Talbot. Part two depicts the escalating
Speaker 3: factionalism and civil unrest. Part three plunges fully into the
Speaker 3: wars of the Roses, with brutal battles between Lancaster and
Speaker 3: York culminating in the Shattered Realm and the rise of
Speaker 3: Richard the Third. Themes include collapse of legitimate authority, the
Speaker 3: cost of war, the legacy of nobility, and heroism in masonry.
Speaker 3: The grand Pond of Degree stresses the continuity and influence
Speaker 3: of the past on the present future. The play is
Speaker 3: all things that result from past deeds, the struggle between
Speaker 3: light and darkness, good and evil, the idea that good
Speaker 3: ultimately triumphs. Mason's responsibility to uplift few future generations and
Speaker 3: to think beyond his own era. So in the play
Speaker 3: moral ambiguity and struggle, Henry the Six is personally devout
Speaker 3: and gentle, but politically weak, while figures like Margaret and
Speaker 3: York display ruthless ambition. The pass shaping the future, the
Speaker 3: wars betrayals misjudgments in Henry the Six plant the seeds,
Speaker 3: or for Richard the Third, who is the next play?
Speaker 3: In the next the next example. The entire are echoes
Speaker 3: of the nineteenth degree insistence that the past is never dead.
Speaker 3: It is the foundation of that will be built good
Speaker 3: or ill. Let's see here, you've got the this is
Speaker 3: cool in the nineteen degree symbols and signs that you've
Speaker 3: got a triple cross, the meter, the censor, and the
Speaker 3: crown of stars. The play revolves around corrupted spirit, authority,
Speaker 3: contested legitimacy, and priestly overtones. The triple cross tensions appear
Speaker 3: in the War of the Roses. There are three overlapping
Speaker 3: factions in that particular historic conflict. So you got those
Speaker 3: three crosses representing the three parties of the War of
Speaker 3: the Roses. And then Henry the six is the metered king.
Speaker 3: He's pious but ineffective real quick. That proverb righteousness keep
Speaker 3: his keepeth him that is upright in the way. But
Speaker 3: wickedness overthrow with the sinner. That one's pretty uh, self explanatory.
Speaker 3: The proverbs overthrow is literally the War of the Roses.
Speaker 3: Nineteen we've got resh, which means head or leadership, collapse
Speaker 3: of leadership, chaos of many heads. Here we go, uh.
Speaker 3: And again the more you go through these, the more
Speaker 3: on the nose they get. The twentieth degree is the
Speaker 3: master of the symbolic lodge play that corresponds as Richard.
Speaker 3: The third play summary Richard of Gloucester schemes, lies, murders
Speaker 3: his way to the throne. His manipulation of appearances, oaths,
Speaker 3: and loyalty creates a reign of terror that ultimately collapses,
Speaker 3: and he is defeated by Henry Tudor Henry the seventh.
Speaker 3: Ruthl's ambition conscience, legitimacy, and divine justice and masonry the
Speaker 3: degree focuses on the responsibilities is the master to embody
Speaker 3: and teach truth, justice, and tolerance, the central virtues of leadership,
Speaker 3: restoring masonry and symbolically any institution to its original purity.
Speaker 3: It's interesting because it ends with a tutor the end
Speaker 3: of this play, Henry the Seventh, the father of Henry
Speaker 3: the Eighth, who ends up being Elizabeth's father, takes over.
Speaker 3: So this is where it drops from Richard the Third,
Speaker 3: and this is exactly where that Maravingian line kicks back in,
Speaker 3: and it's where Bacon at the end of this play,
Speaker 3: what's coming next is Bacon, Elizabeth and all that whatnot.
Speaker 3: You've got keys and golden circles that all tie into
Speaker 3: the play that those are the signs. The proverb the
Speaker 3: beginning strife is as when one leteth out water, therefore
Speaker 3: leave off contention before it be meddled with warns against tyranny, conflict,
Speaker 3: and moral decay, all the things that got Richard the
Speaker 3: Third deposed and the tutors in there. Play begins with
Speaker 3: strife unleashed by Richard. The war the roses let out
Speaker 3: the water that drowns the kingdom. Richard is the archetype
Speaker 3: of the degrees warning, unchecked strife, catastrophic collapse.
Speaker 4: Let's see huse strife a lot, loving the strife.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that Hebrew letter is tav or the seal
Speaker 3: or completion. Henry the seventh. Let's see here. Henry the
Speaker 3: seventh was the son of uh Edward the third, who
Speaker 3: was a planta. His wife, Elizabeth of York, was a plantagenet.
Speaker 3: So that's where the true divine right, like I was saying,
Speaker 3: begins again. And I will skip on to the twenty
Speaker 3: twenty first degree. This one's kind of interesting. I'll just
Speaker 3: go through key things because I know this is a
Speaker 3: lot of me just reading. But so the twenty first
Speaker 3: degree is the Noah Kite or Prussian Night, and the
Speaker 3: play there is Henry the Eighth. So we're now on
Speaker 3: to Queen Elizabeth the First Dad Noah Kite is a
Speaker 3: non Jew who follows the seven noah Hyde laws. So
Speaker 3: it's a non Jew who follows the seven like kind
Speaker 3: of Jewish laws, and it's also embodied. Those seven laws
Speaker 3: are embodied in the lower Sufferer of the Kabbalistic Tree
Speaker 3: of Life. Let's see here. So Henry the Eighth portrays
Speaker 3: the political and personal intrigues of Henry's reign, especially as
Speaker 3: marriage to Amberleyn descendant of Edward the first Plantagenet, includes ambition,
Speaker 3: religious and political change, the personal costs of royal decisions.
Speaker 3: Let's see here, arrogance and humility, courtesy and dignity. What
Speaker 3: are we on number twenty one on? I mean, I
Speaker 3: can keep going through these things, but I love to
Speaker 3: find some of these proverbs that are incredible.
Speaker 5: I was wondering this, Ernie, this is amazing a series
Speaker 5: of correspondences. I was wondering, if you'll share the thirty
Speaker 5: three somewhere online, Maybe not the entirety, but just the correspondences,
Speaker 5: maybe just in bullet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that was kind of my plan to
Speaker 3: get done before here and be able to like throw
Speaker 3: them up instead of me just.
Speaker 5: Not necessarily for us, but I just mean for you
Speaker 5: and the and other folks that might be interested in this,
Speaker 5: because you really nailed some interesting things.
Speaker 3: I think here, Yeah, and it's when I'm not rambling
Speaker 3: and you're looking at this and the work side by
Speaker 3: side by side by side, it's it's a little more
Speaker 3: incredible than my I say it.
Speaker 5: I see the incredibleness of it, because I'm sure other
Speaker 5: people do too. But one one thing that this all
Speaker 5: kinds of kind of weaves together, at least in my
Speaker 5: humble opinion. There's there's the masonry, there's the King James Bible,
Speaker 5: and there's the Shakespeare stories. As you're bringing together these
Speaker 5: and these are all, as you pointed out, foundational to
Speaker 5: our culture today. Shakespeare still is so influential to people's
Speaker 5: mind states. We don't even realize it. And and it
Speaker 5: all makes me think because of d and Bacon and
Speaker 5: there incredibleness and and all the weird hidden aspects that
Speaker 5: they encoded with everything and and put forth all these
Speaker 5: sometimes wonderful lessons really, but it makes it makes me
Speaker 5: think about in the Republic, there is an aspect of
Speaker 5: the dialogues where he there I forget who was talking,
Speaker 5: forgive me, but they're talking about the ideal nation or
Speaker 5: city state, and they are talking about how there would
Speaker 5: have to be a vanguard and so on, and there
Speaker 5: would have to be a mythos, there would have to
Speaker 5: be these stories, and there would have to be also
Speaker 5: this religion. And it's it's fascinating that all that the
Speaker 5: three streams, and maybe more even but the Masonry, Shakespeare,
Speaker 5: and King James Bible come together right at the same time,
Speaker 5: where there's this whole New world and it and in
Speaker 5: one sense, maybe it was just Virginia that they were
Speaker 5: trying to make this their little cities in a sense,
Speaker 5: as you alluded to in the beginning, and more broadly
Speaker 5: the colonies in the New World at large. But it
Speaker 5: just makes me think that they really were trying to
Speaker 5: do what was put forth in the Republic, and you're
Speaker 5: finding this stream that really hits on it.
Speaker 3: And then later echoed in Francis Bacon's short story The
Speaker 3: New Atlantis. I mean, I think that the New Atlantis
Speaker 3: has become almost old hat in conspiracy circles because it's
Speaker 3: just the same old points have been have been brought
Speaker 3: up for decades about the New Atlantis, But it really
Speaker 3: is what this country ended up being. And if you
Speaker 3: really look at this, it really truly reads like the
Speaker 3: Bacons or these Maravengians, this idea for this this re
Speaker 3: public because they kept trying it. I mean, the Marivengians
Speaker 3: start in one area and they move all over Europe.
Speaker 3: They move into Scotland, they move into you know, throughout
Speaker 3: the connected bloodlines. They move everywhere, and they change things
Speaker 3: a little bit, even down to Henry the Eighth splitting
Speaker 3: away from the Roman Catholic Empire, right, and then the
Speaker 3: Anglican Church ends up being the same kind of oppressive
Speaker 3: force that the Holy Roman Empire was in England to
Speaker 3: the Catholics who end up being in England. They oppressed
Speaker 3: them the same way the Catholics were oppressing these this
Speaker 3: this upstart kind of Protestant Protestantism. And then these Puritans
Speaker 3: and Calvinists come over to the New World, and so
Speaker 3: it feels like they're just jumping out of these places
Speaker 3: that are a little you know, once their their enlightenment
Speaker 3: ideals get like kind of exposed for not being in
Speaker 3: line with the church or or culture at the time.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like the it's like the Templars who
Speaker 3: who factor into this as well. Once they once, you know,
Speaker 3: they become too powerful and maybe their ideas are a
Speaker 3: little bit too enlightened. All of a sudden, the Pope
Speaker 3: and the French King want them gone, you know. And
Speaker 3: where do they go. They go to Scotland and hang
Speaker 3: out with the precursor to the Bruce Klan and help
Speaker 3: the Bruce Klan win the independence of Scotland from England,
Speaker 3: who at the time was Catholic. And they even Scotland
Speaker 3: at that time gets like excommunicator, bishops get excommunicated from
Speaker 3: the Catholic Church. So actually, when Henry the Eighth just
Speaker 3: a short time later splits from the Catholic Church, Scotland
Speaker 3: was like, we've been split for a while. But I
Speaker 3: don't need to go through it like any more questions,
Speaker 3: But like, this is kind.
Speaker 5: Of another question, and I would ask you to do
Speaker 5: one more because I I'm maybe a plain Jane of
Speaker 5: the Shakespearean world. I like Macbeth, and I also think.
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm still in the twenties here. Let
Speaker 3: me let me yeah.
Speaker 5: What is the number of Macbeth? And could you break
Speaker 5: that one down?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And Romeo and Julia it's a really good one too.
Speaker 3: Tim And of Athens Julius Caesar and Macbeth. Macbeth is
Speaker 3: twenty eight, so it's a twenty eighth degree Knight of
Speaker 3: the Sun or the Prince Adept. This is where they
Speaker 3: get really cool too, man, all right, So the play Summery.
Speaker 3: Spurred by a prophecy that his wife's and his wife's urging,
Speaker 3: Macbeth murders King Duncan and seizes the Scottish throne. Haunted
Speaker 3: by guilt and driven by paranoia, he commits further atrocities
Speaker 3: until he's overthrown and killed. Themes ambition, prophecy, moral corruption,
Speaker 3: and the overturning of natural order in masonry. The twenty
Speaker 3: eighth degree Night of the Sun or Prince Adept involves
Speaker 3: universalism and tolerance, deep esoteric and symbolic study of alchemy,
Speaker 3: kabbala and cosmology, the pursuit of inter illumination the sun
Speaker 3: within duties of reflection, work, prayer, hope, and teaching hidden truths.
Speaker 3: So the way that's represented in the play obviously the
Speaker 3: occult and esoteric themes, and that's the whole boil, boil,
Speaker 3: whatever and toil. You know, the witch scene, which is visions,
Speaker 3: prophetic apparitions, saturate Macbeth, making it Shakespeare's most overtly occult
Speaker 3: tragedy or other than a midsommer night's dream. I think
Speaker 3: it's the most overtly play that he has. This aligns
Speaker 3: with the twenty eighth degrees fascination with the unseen and
Speaker 3: the symbolic perverted quest for secret knowledge. Macbeth, like a
Speaker 3: twisted adep seeks advancement by violent shortcuts rather than genuine enlightenment,
Speaker 3: similar to those who in Masonic legends seek the master
Speaker 3: secrets through murder. The Highromabiff story. Also, the thing you'll
Speaker 3: notice too in this mapping is that again those those
Speaker 3: those first degrees, it's a a little less weight on them,
Speaker 3: They're a little less heavy. But you also notice in
Speaker 3: the first degrees that they are allegory for how you
Speaker 3: should be. And then when once you get to the
Speaker 3: tragedies that switch at the same time the degrees change,
Speaker 3: they all become tales of like warning. All the plays
Speaker 3: are don't do this, don't be like this, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean? So all the all the the the
Speaker 3: So the first fourteen degrees are the comedies. The first
Speaker 3: fourteen plays, I'm sorry, the first fourteen plays are the comedies,
Speaker 3: the first fourteen degrees are the ineffable degrees, and then
Speaker 3: it switches to the chivalric and religious degrees after that.
Speaker 3: And once you get to the chivalric and religious degrees,
Speaker 3: that's when you start getting these these cautionary All the
Speaker 3: plays are like cautionary. Don't be like Macbeth, don't be
Speaker 3: like Romeo and Juliet, don't be like Richard the Third
Speaker 3: and whatnot. But within the let me see, that's number
Speaker 3: twenty eight. So if we go to morals and dogma,
Speaker 3: the signs and symbols of the degree listed or the sun,
Speaker 3: the zodiac wheel, the seven rays, and esoteric hermetic signs,
Speaker 3: and Macbeth attempts to control fate itself, the sort of
Speaker 3: brush up against the zodiac, the wish, the witches in voke,
Speaker 3: hermetic and planetary forces, light versus darkness, which is the
Speaker 3: sun imagery, which matches to the the symbols in that
Speaker 3: degree and its central tension. That proverb, if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 3: it's a good one too. Let's see here. Wealth gotten, yeah,
Speaker 3: this is perfect. Wealth gotten by vanity shall be diminished,
Speaker 3: but he that gathered by labor shall increase. He literally
Speaker 3: kills the king and takes over his kingdom. So vanity decline,
Speaker 3: true labor increase macbeest kingship equals vanity seized unlawfully. Macbeth
Speaker 3: gains a crown by vanity, murder, and prophecy. His reign
Speaker 3: diminishes instantly, just like the The proverb says, Malcolm and
Speaker 3: McDuff represent lawful labor, a flawless symbolic match the proverbs
Speaker 3: warning is myth Beck's whole arc.
Speaker 5: And then that correspondence is so.
Speaker 3: And it as I mean it, it gets ridiculous. Here
Speaker 3: we go. The path in the thirty three Pathways of
Speaker 3: the Kabbala is nun or none, which is death and continuity.
Speaker 3: Death pursues the wicked death, fate, cycles, darkness, sorcery. That's
Speaker 3: what's encompassed in that. Let's go back one because this
Speaker 3: one's really cool too, am I right?
Speaker 2: The one thing I do want to say, I just
Speaker 2: want to add like I don't so many how to answer,
Speaker 2: Like at the beginning of the show about rituals being
Speaker 2: like plays or anything, and I was like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: think you know kind of they are.
Speaker 4: From my experience, you can run them out like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but even from my experience with the Oto thinking
Speaker 2: about taking you know, some of the initiations, well, any
Speaker 2: of the ones I did, they were fucking long and
Speaker 2: drawn out, like yeah, well, I mean you could be
Speaker 2: answering and saying stuff to multiple people around you.
Speaker 3: It's just like, yeah, all the Masonic rites are Yeah,
Speaker 3: they all give you a context of like kind of
Speaker 3: like where you are and what's going on.
Speaker 4: You can figure it out from what people say.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's I It's kind of been clear to
Speaker 3: me in the back of my head that this could
Speaker 3: be the case, but I never thought it would, you know,
Speaker 3: stack up the way the way that it did. This
Speaker 3: this one here, twenty four is uh. Titus Andronicus. This
Speaker 3: is the one that I was talking about with the
Speaker 3: tongue being cut out. Plot summary, Roman general Titus Andronicus
Speaker 3: returns victorious and sacrifices a Goth princess, sparking a revenge
Speaker 3: spiral between his family and Tamora, queen of the Goths.
Speaker 3: The play is famously violent and depicts mutilation, rape, and
Speaker 3: murder as revenge escalates without limit. The degree Prince of
Speaker 3: the Tabernacle Number twenty four focuses on divine omnipresence, the
Speaker 3: immortality of the soul, serving God, country and brethren, faith
Speaker 3: and divine justice and spiritual reward. Apparent absence of the
Speaker 3: divine justice. Characters shoot characters shoot arrows with pleas to
Speaker 3: the gods, but no visible divine intervention arrives revenge instead
Speaker 3: of faith. Let's see here the signs altar, which is
Speaker 3: crazy He sacrifices in the play. He sacrifices a Goth
Speaker 3: princess on an altar. The symbols of that particular degree
Speaker 3: in freemasonry. The very first one is an altar cherubim,
Speaker 3: flaming sword, veil of sanctuary. Titus is the grim priest
Speaker 3: of vengeance the killing of Lavinia. The they have this
Speaker 3: big feast of revenge. Alter sacrifices flaming sword symbolizing earth
Speaker 3: fits the brutality. See what that proverb is? Uh proverb
Speaker 3: is gonna be the mouth of the just, bring us
Speaker 3: forth wisdom, but the fraward tongue shall be cut out.
Speaker 3: The degree teaches the divine order exists even when unseen.
Speaker 3: The frawered tongue describes the Gos Saturnius Tamora and Aaron
Speaker 3: Rome's mouth of the Just. Mutilated tongues literally become symbols
Speaker 3: in Lavinia's mutilation, that's his daughter. They cut her, cut
Speaker 3: her tongue out. Proverbs imagery manifests literally in the play
Speaker 3: speech mutilation, justice, and divine silence. And then I'll do
Speaker 3: Romeo and Julia, because that one's pretty wild too. Fuck
Speaker 3: I'll find it real quick. But now you know what
Speaker 3: Antony and Cleopatra. That's the thirty second degree. So that
Speaker 3: is the highest degree in Scottish Rite freemasonry other than
Speaker 3: the thirty third degree, which you can only be invited to.
Speaker 3: It's an honorary degree. So thirty second degree Master of
Speaker 3: the Royal Secret. And that's Antony and Cleopatra. Play Summarymark Antony,
Speaker 3: one of the three rulers of Rome, is torn between
Speaker 3: his duty to Rome and his love for Cleopatra, Queen
Speaker 3: of Egypt. Political tensions with Octavius Caesar escalate into war.
Speaker 3: Antony and Cleopatra's choices lead to defeat and their suicides.
Speaker 3: The themes are love, duty, East versus West, public versus
Speaker 3: private identity, and the nature of greatness you've got in masonry,
Speaker 3: The Royal Secret of equilibrium, the balance of opposing forces, justice,
Speaker 3: versus mercy, reason verse passion, spirit versus matter, harmony between
Speaker 3: heavenly and earthly duties, understanding the true sovereignty is intermastery
Speaker 3: and not just external uh. Literally the East and the
Speaker 3: West as opposites Roman Egypt love and duty, Antony's downfall
Speaker 3: as a Roman who who chooses love over duty to
Speaker 3: his country, transfiguration and death. In the final scenes, Cleopatra
Speaker 3: reimagines Antony and herself in an almost mythic cosmic terms.
Speaker 3: Let's see, that's thirty two. So the sign the signs
Speaker 3: and symbols are really interesting. In this one. You've got
Speaker 3: a skull, a black dagger, a Teutonic cross. Oh wait, no,
Speaker 3: that's not I'm in the wrong one here. It is
Speaker 3: a double headed eagle, a globe, a crown, black and
Speaker 3: white reconciliation. Literally, Antony and Cleopatra are I just this
Speaker 3: just kind of hit me. The black and white reconciliation.
Speaker 3: You literally have a white Roman guy and you've got
Speaker 3: this this Egyptian princess. Antony and Cleopatra are literally two
Speaker 3: heads on one imperial body. And think about the very
Speaker 3: first symbol in this degree of freemasonry is a two
Speaker 3: headed eagle. Their fates turned on control of the globe.
Speaker 3: The double eagle, symbol of unity and duality, fits them
Speaker 3: both perfectly. Thirty two you uh proverb the rich rules
Speaker 3: over the poor, and the borrow is the servant to
Speaker 3: the lender of the degree.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: Antony borrows Caesar's political stability becomes servant to Rome. Cleopatra
Speaker 3: Borrow's Antony's power becomes servant to passion. Uh. Rome rules
Speaker 3: the poor.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: The proverb reflects psycho psychological, political, and karmic debts at
Speaker 3: the heart of the play. Yeah, and then here we go.
Speaker 3: The uh cough is the cabalistic path, holiness or back
Speaker 3: of the head. The unseen, unseen motives hidden passion, rule,
Speaker 3: destiny Othello's a really crazy one too, that that degree
Speaker 3: and play are all about judging. I'll just read it.
Speaker 3: I got it right. Here, do one more. I'll do
Speaker 3: one more and then I'll shut my eye.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: Let's see here.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Thirty first degree is the inspector inquisitor Athello. The plot
Speaker 3: summary Othello, a Morris general in Venetian service, secretly marries Desdemona.
Speaker 3: His insign Iago drives, driven by envy and malice, manipulates
Speaker 3: events to convince Othello that Desdemona is unfaithful. Consumed by jealousy,
Speaker 3: Othello kills Desdemona and then himself when the truth is revealed. Trust, jealousy, race, manipulation,
Speaker 3: and the tragedy of misjudgment. In Masonry, the inspector inquisitor.
Speaker 3: This degree concerns moral self judgment and inner tribunal of
Speaker 3: conscious conscience, the duty to investigate motives with fairness and impartiality.
Speaker 3: He marks his wife because some dude told him some
Speaker 3: rumors about her banging somebody else. The danger of prejudice,
Speaker 3: I mean literally, Othello is the only like, hey, here's
Speaker 3: a black guy and a white woman play. I mean
Speaker 3: that was unheard of for that time, but for then
Speaker 3: the the the Masonic degree to literally deal in in
Speaker 3: danger of prejudice, rash judgment, and Brian credulity, and the
Speaker 3: need to balance justice with mercy. That that one's pretty
Speaker 3: my mind blowing. The proverb is, uh, who's.
Speaker 1: So has even one of my favorite plays?
Speaker 3: It's great. I've seen that two or three times, and
Speaker 3: it's always one of the best. Whoso keepeth his mouth
Speaker 3: and his tongue keepeth his soul from troubles. The degree
Speaker 3: warns against deception and manipulation, and the control of speech
Speaker 3: is a core lesson of that degree matches perfectly with
Speaker 3: the proverb alignment with the play Iago the unkept tongue
Speaker 3: that causes room one. So literally within the proverb it
Speaker 3: talks about talking crap and screwing stuff up. Othello fails
Speaker 3: to guard his mind or his speech. Desdemona's innocence is
Speaker 3: destroyed by false words. The proverb literally predicts the tragedy.
Speaker 3: The tongue destroys the soul. And let's see here, Yeah, Othello,
Speaker 3: that is gonna be Zadi or the righteous one. And uh,
Speaker 3: the whole play is righteousness corrupted by deception.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: The inspector inquisitor. Also Othello becomes the inspector inquisitor of
Speaker 3: his wife, judge, jury, and executioner. So that one I
Speaker 3: forgot about that Othello lines up maybe more perfectly than
Speaker 3: any of them Macbeth, Hamlet, and it literally goes like
Speaker 3: that as you go down. And then also the thirty
Speaker 3: third degree, which is like this unknown degree you've got
Speaker 3: the very last play in the Shakespeare folio, Cymbeline, which
Speaker 3: is a play that a lot of people say, yeah,
Speaker 3: whoever wrote it, they all wrote all these, but maybe
Speaker 3: not this one. It seems Symboline seems like off from
Speaker 3: the rest of them. It's the thirty third degree. It's
Speaker 3: on page three sixty nine. There's a correlation between thirty
Speaker 3: three and three sixty nine. It's I'm sure there's I mean,
Speaker 3: this is just notes. This is more that I've typed out,
Speaker 3: and since I was in high school, for God's sakes,
Speaker 3: there's probably a book in this kind of mapping these
Speaker 3: things together. But there's there's tons more there. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1: I wonder if it has anything to do with like
Speaker 1: the Keys of Solomon.
Speaker 3: Well, Solomon wrote from Yeah, Solomon wrote Proverbs and most
Speaker 3: of you know, all a lot of Shakespeare's works deal
Speaker 3: with the Middle Ages. And I believe that's when, you know,
Speaker 3: templars are coming back and people are coming back from
Speaker 3: the Crusades in the Holy Land. I think that's really
Speaker 3: when Europe got saturated with actual texts from those Middle
Speaker 3: Eastern occult practices and whatnot. That's when all the grimoires
Speaker 3: show up. Now, they don't have anything older than the
Speaker 3: Middle Ages that is publicly known about, but all this
Speaker 3: esoteric wisdom from the East pops up in the Middle
Speaker 3: Ages and starts being practiced like in earnest and it
Speaker 3: just so happens that coincides with the end of the
Speaker 3: Crusades and the end of the Templars. So, yeah, questions anymore.
Speaker 5: Well, fascinating stuff. I just think those the miss ordered
Speaker 5: numbers are definitely interpret uh presenting something uh with with
Speaker 5: what I've seen. The hints as far as like they
Speaker 5: left behind in relation to geometry and numerology kind of
Speaker 5: are what led people to go, Wait, Shakespeare is not real,
Speaker 5: It was this guy.
Speaker 3: It was these.
Speaker 5: So I'm sure I would bet anyway that those page
Speaker 5: numbers are communicating something. And I wonder maybe if they're
Speaker 5: it's as simple as possibly with the Fibonacci sequence.
Speaker 3: It's not close. It's actually close like the.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 3: I was thinking it off by like a number here
Speaker 3: or there.
Speaker 5: It's weird, okay, interesting. I was wondering, Yeah, if they
Speaker 5: were each kind of their own little cipher related to
Speaker 5: something too, that they come together.
Speaker 3: Well, And so I I have a theory. And again
Speaker 3: I'm not mathematically minded to take it all the way.
Speaker 3: And I'd like to find somebody who could work with me,
Speaker 3: and I haven't found where anybody's ever ever tried to
Speaker 3: do it. But in the book The New Atlantis by
Speaker 3: Francis Bacon, it's almost unreadable because the amount of numbers
Speaker 3: that are listed in it, like it's like all numbers.
Speaker 3: It's like there were eight men and they were on
Speaker 3: two boats, and they rowed out to us, and they
Speaker 3: stayed five hundred feet away, and they asked us how
Speaker 3: many were on the boat, and we told them fifty.
Speaker 3: And they put are sick in two rooms, and they
Speaker 3: put us in seventeen rooms. And I mean, the whole
Speaker 3: it's almost unreadable because of it.
Speaker 1: That's exactly how it is. It's like exhausting, and it's like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck is this supposed to mean?
Speaker 3: So I took I went through that book and I
Speaker 3: recorded every number in order and ran it through an
Speaker 3: AI program just to see if there was anything anything there.
Speaker 3: And I mean and I ran it through like three
Speaker 3: different AI programs, and they all each one said, yes,
Speaker 3: there's something here. The markers for a code are are here.
Speaker 3: And then when I plugged in, hey, what about like
Speaker 3: Baconian code? Because he had specific ciphers like the Baconian
Speaker 3: cipher that he he created himself. And then When I
Speaker 3: did that, all of them were like, well, yeah, you
Speaker 3: have to do this, and then they want to run
Speaker 3: all these It just goes beyond my capability. But there's
Speaker 3: something in that. There's no way, there's even like the
Speaker 3: in the first paragraph the words pace and deliverance. Now,
Speaker 3: this is a book about Christians who are lost at
Speaker 3: sea and just happened to bump into an island that
Speaker 3: nobody ever knew of that's filled with other Christians that
Speaker 3: save their lives. And the words patients and deliverance are
Speaker 3: used on like the first page and never used again
Speaker 3: in the rest of the book, which those are two like.
Speaker 3: I looked up the odds of that, and it's it's
Speaker 3: pretty astronomical, considering like the speech of the time. But
Speaker 3: the two ships, remember I told you that when they
Speaker 3: crash landed on Bermuda, they took apart the old ship
Speaker 3: and built two ships, and that they named those two
Speaker 3: ships the Patients and the Deliverance. And the new Atlantis
Speaker 3: came out in sixteen I believe it was sixteen twenty six,
Speaker 3: So you've got The Tempest being written in sixteen ten,
Speaker 3: the King James Bible in sixteen eleven, sixteen twenty three
Speaker 3: is the first folio, and then sixteen twenty six is
Speaker 3: I believe when Bacon dies and The New Atlantis is
Speaker 3: published posthumously. Posthumously, Yeah, so I think there's something something
Speaker 3: in there, and I think that that particular book connects
Speaker 3: as well. And one of those ships that disappeared just
Speaker 3: happened to have fifty people on it, which is the
Speaker 3: exact number of the people in the New Atlantis on
Speaker 3: the ship that were lost at sea. So it's interesting too.
Speaker 3: And if you look back, the captain of that particular
Speaker 3: ship that went missing Forever was a guy named Matthew Fitch.
Speaker 3: But if you look back, if you're nerd like me
Speaker 3: and you have the complete works of John Smith, Matthew
Speaker 3: Fitch was one of the original mariners who came over
Speaker 3: in sixteen and in July of sixteen oh seven he
Speaker 3: was killed by a Native. And then in sixteen oh
Speaker 3: nine he's all of a sudden the captain of the
Speaker 3: ship the catch in the supply mission that goes missing forever,
Speaker 3: that has fifty people on it. And then Bacon's New
Speaker 3: Atlantis comes out with a book about fifty people lost
Speaker 3: at sea on a ship and a dead guy was
Speaker 3: supposedly the captain of Yeah, it's weird, and they specifically
Speaker 3: say in the history that the captain of that particular
Speaker 3: ship that went missing the catch was the mariner Matthew Fitch,
Speaker 3: who was on the original sixteen oh seven mission. But
Speaker 3: right clearly in John Smith's works, he talks about going
Speaker 3: out on a hunting expedition in the woods around Jamestown
Speaker 3: and he gets Matthew Fitch gets mortally wounded by an
Speaker 3: arrow from a native. There's all kinds of weird crap
Speaker 3: in Virginia and Jamestown, Bacon and stuff like that, So
Speaker 3: go on forever.
Speaker 4: That's so, that's weird.
Speaker 2: It's sorts like wonders of why yes, didn't yeah like yeah,
Speaker 2: like like yeah, support of like was there any questions
Speaker 2: that you guys wanted to ask anything, or anything that
Speaker 2: you wanted to bring up? You know, I think that
Speaker 2: was pretty Uh, that was a lot of ship, dude.
Speaker 2: You really have to look at this Shakespeare's stuff, dude.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, it's it's old hat. The bit. I
Speaker 3: feel like the the Bacon Shakespeare Mason thing is is
Speaker 3: almost been beat to death to where like even us
Speaker 3: conspiracy folks are like, oh, this again. But the more
Speaker 3: it all trickles back, I really do think Bacon and
Speaker 3: masonry is that connect tissue. As much as we want
Speaker 3: to look at like the Masons now, is these like
Speaker 3: fish fry community like leader guys. There is something There
Speaker 3: is a nugget in that that system that I really
Speaker 3: think is responsible for the stewardship of the kind of
Speaker 3: Bacon ideal and the new Atlantis.
Speaker 1: Plan in the bloodlines too. It's just so weird.
Speaker 3: I mean, you can't keep those bloodlines going and the
Speaker 3: knowledge of them, you know, known publicly, you have to
Speaker 3: do it within a system like this, and that's the
Speaker 3: perfect system for you know, the monarchy used to be
Speaker 3: one thing, but again that writing was on the wall.
Speaker 3: Monarchies were falling.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you very much. Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was a lot of stuff. You got
Speaker 2: me wonder about the OTO. But they have different number
Speaker 2: of degrees.
Speaker 3: But I mean, doesn't it I mean, wasn't the OTO
Speaker 3: I mean influence?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was, it was. It was originally more degrees.
Speaker 2: And when Crowley took it over, he knocked out of
Speaker 2: them and also made a basic the Book of.
Speaker 3: The Look, and Crowley went to some of them.
Speaker 4: I do think what's going on in the initiations? Yeah,
Speaker 4: still follow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah. And Crowley was a thirty third degree
Speaker 3: mason out of Mexico. He went down to Mexico and
Speaker 3: studied masonry. I mean he was pretty he was pretty
Speaker 3: into it, but I mean he he kind of did
Speaker 3: that with with everything. He kind of had this pattern
Speaker 3: of joining in order and then causing chaos and then
Speaker 3: being like peace, I'm out, like going starting over again
Speaker 3: with another one.
Speaker 2: But yeah, before we wrap it up, I let h
Speaker 2: let everybody plug their stuff again, Julia.
Speaker 4: I want to remind everybody, but they can find all
Speaker 4: your amazing stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks so much for having me. This one was
Speaker 1: really interesting. I knew it would be cosmic Peach podcast
Speaker 1: wherever you listen to podcasts. I got some cool min
Speaker 1: Nindas Brothers stuff up right now that you can check out.
Speaker 1: But yeah, thanks for having me and loved the conversation.
Speaker 4: Yes, so did.
Speaker 2: I actually got stuck in so many thoughts. I was
Speaker 2: just like a fuck, but like it was all I
Speaker 2: I don't know. I didn't want to go up on tangents.
Speaker 3: That's what happens every time I'm at work listening to
Speaker 3: the occult rejacts. I was even like hearing you guys,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh dude, I gotta and then I
Speaker 3: find another path that I'm like dying down for like
Speaker 3: three days.
Speaker 2: He said something like about War of the Roses like
Speaker 2: thirty minutes ago, and I was like kept on like
Speaker 2: thinking about something. So yeah, Ethan in THEO, please let
Speaker 2: everybody know where they can find book.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Nick, Julia and you guys rock Ernie, thank you
Speaker 5: so much. That was really interesting. I never looked away.
Speaker 5: Great correspondence and lessons in that. I can't wait to
Speaker 5: look at it more, honestly, Ethan Indigo Smith online.
Speaker 3: I'm doing a.
Speaker 5: Podcast too with Headless and Ricardo on Sundays Monday Trialogues,
Speaker 5: and I have a bunch of books available and writing
Speaker 5: coming out frequently anyway, So and I appreciate everyone in
Speaker 5: the chat too.
Speaker 4: Thanks Nick, everyone, thank you, sir, thank you, and Ernie.
Speaker 4: Please let everybody know where they can find a stuff.
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Speaker 3: I think I forgot to say. We do have a
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Speaker 3: personal research is visual and so I throw up maps
Speaker 3: and diagrams and lay lines and and stuff like that.
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Speaker 3: two months off, but we're about to start hitting it
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Speaker 3: anywhere you can find weirdos like me.
Speaker 4: West. Thank you for coming on again.
Speaker 2: That us up as wild and even the people listen again,
Speaker 2: and I do say this a lot, uh the people.
Speaker 2: If you're catching the replay, check the chat, the people
Speaker 2: in the chat, a lot of a lot of stuff
Speaker 2: to a too. Got stuck on that too a couple
Speaker 2: of times. But uh again, Julia, I appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 2: It's always nice to have you here.
Speaker 4: For real. It's great to see you. And Ethan appreciate
Speaker 4: it as well.
Speaker 2: I owed both of you guys are on the same
Speaker 2: like time zone, so yeah, I appreciate you guys dealing
Speaker 2: with this as well.
Speaker 4: And Ernie for real, for real, it's always a pleasure
Speaker 4: to have you on. You always welcome on.
Speaker 2: Anytime you got a topic you can always Oh yeah, no,
Speaker 2: it's always some wild ship.
Speaker 3: I got another one coming, I think Thomas Jefferson was
Speaker 3: a murderer, so okay, all right, did you with that.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure he killed his mentor the guy that
Speaker 3: made the booby flag so that he could keep slavery
Speaker 3: in existence. That should be incendiary, al right.
Speaker 4: I look forward to that.
Speaker 2: Oh that's the end of this one, and again, thank
Speaker 2: you everybody in the chat. I appreciate that. And until
Speaker 2: the next one, everybody be.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you, bye bye.
Speaker 2: Lay very
Speaker 5: Other words,