WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:01.280 It's a nice size. 2 00:00:01.600 --> 00:00:05.960 Dan Ray undoing Mazie Boston's News Radio. 3 00:00:06.719 --> 00:00:09.160 Well, we just finished a very interesting hour with the 4 00:00:09.240 --> 00:00:13.679 Israel's Consul general to New England, newly designated it has 5 00:00:13.679 --> 00:00:17.879 only been here six months, Benjamin Benny SHARONI and I 6 00:00:18.320 --> 00:00:21.519 thought if you listened to the last hour, you would 7 00:00:21.519 --> 00:00:25.160 have gotten a really good insight into how the government 8 00:00:25.199 --> 00:00:30.359 of Israel sees the situation as of today on the 9 00:00:30.359 --> 00:00:33.640 ground of the Middle East. Obviously, the Diplomatic Corps speaks 10 00:00:34.359 --> 00:00:37.799 consistently with the government. And I've got a couple of 11 00:00:37.799 --> 00:00:39.719 callers who would like to continue to talk about the 12 00:00:39.759 --> 00:00:43.280 Middle East. And as I have often said, and I 13 00:00:43.320 --> 00:00:46.759 will continue to say, my audience is the one that 14 00:00:46.880 --> 00:00:51.679 dictates the issues. So we can talk about this, and 15 00:00:51.719 --> 00:00:56.280 if this doesn't interest you sufficiently, we can go back 16 00:00:56.320 --> 00:01:00.320 to the questions of earlier tonight. I don't don't want 17 00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:02.119 to mix the two topics, to be honest with you, 18 00:01:02.119 --> 00:01:03.759 I'd like to stay on the Middle East. 19 00:01:04.239 --> 00:01:04.359 Uh. 20 00:01:04.480 --> 00:01:06.640 And when we exhaust that, we can go back to 21 00:01:07.439 --> 00:01:11.439 the efforts by ICE in several American major American cities, 22 00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:16.239 including Boston, to round up h illegal aliens who for 23 00:01:16.400 --> 00:01:20.280 whom there are warrants and known gang members and which 24 00:01:20.319 --> 00:01:23.640 which we covered in the nine o'clock hour with Boston 25 00:01:23.640 --> 00:01:26.159 City Council and Flynn. Let me start this hour off 26 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:28.959 with my friend Jack and Newton. Jack, I got your 27 00:01:28.959 --> 00:01:31.799 email today. I'm very sorry that you had that experience. 28 00:01:32.120 --> 00:01:35.280 Let's let's leave that for another conversation. Let's talk Middle 29 00:01:35.319 --> 00:01:38.040 East on Jack reporter. 30 00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:42.359 Uh, the Palestinians have had an opportunity to have a 31 00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:46.159 stay going back forty years with Clinton and then later 32 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:51.959 with the Barack and they just well, I have they 33 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:54.599 wanted the whole pie and now they have no pie. 34 00:01:55.120 --> 00:01:57.599 You know, they wanted everything you want people to return. 35 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:01.680 They wanted all of is whatever. If they had just 36 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:05.680 taken part of the not part of taking the West 37 00:02:05.719 --> 00:02:08.840 Bank and Gaza forty years ago, they would have had 38 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:10.719 a state, but they would have had to keep it 39 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:13.159 a state and not be allowed to be taken over 40 00:02:13.479 --> 00:02:17.840 by extremists. Now, if you asked me, I'm very pessimistic 41 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:22.840 about a Palestinian state for two reasons. One, again, they're 42 00:02:22.840 --> 00:02:25.199 going to be very stupid. They want everything, you know 43 00:02:25.199 --> 00:02:30.080 what I mean, go compromises. And also, Israel is facing 44 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:35.840 the fact that Hamas and their groups are taking over 45 00:02:35.879 --> 00:02:38.800 the West Bank. This is a very serious situation because 46 00:02:38.800 --> 00:02:44.800 they have a very weak, sclerotic leadership. The Palestinians corrupt. 47 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:48.639 They could have had a state many times over, and 48 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:49.360 they blew it. 49 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:52.919 Jack blew it. On this one. You and I are 50 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:55.879 singing from the same page. The other thing which I 51 00:02:55.919 --> 00:03:00.599 don't think most Americans understand is that the physical dimension 52 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:04.199 of the state of Israel is very similar, both in 53 00:03:04.280 --> 00:03:08.400 terms of its length and its width, and the state 54 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:13.000 of New Jersey. It would be like saying to New Jersey, 55 00:03:14.120 --> 00:03:16.560 we want you to give up part of your state 56 00:03:17.759 --> 00:03:21.560 and so that the Palestinians can move in there, or 57 00:03:21.639 --> 00:03:24.479 that the people from the Bronx can move in there. 58 00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:27.560 I just think that, you know, there's so much land 59 00:03:27.560 --> 00:03:29.879 in the Middle East, and there's so many places that 60 00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:34.759 Hamas could relocate their proximity to Israel. Obviously, if if 61 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:37.840 Hamas was not proximate to Israel, they never would have 62 00:03:37.879 --> 00:03:40.680 been able to have launched the attack on October seventh. 63 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:45.719 And if I'm an Israeli, you know, diplomat, why would 64 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:50.120 I even want to consider a two state solution within 65 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:52.039 the geographical confluence of Israel. 66 00:03:52.759 --> 00:03:55.840 If I could respond to that. I think I would, respectfully, 67 00:03:55.879 --> 00:03:58.360 you know, disagree with you. I think that the West 68 00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:02.879 Bank from Name down to Hebron and below you could 69 00:04:02.919 --> 00:04:07.280 have a Palestinian state. You could have one. The problem 70 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:10.000 is there's so many settlements that you'd have to cut 71 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:12.240 it out and be like a cookie cutter. It can 72 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:15.240 be very difficult. When they talk about a land swap. 73 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:20.560 The Palestinians will have certain land, but they'll have the settlements, 74 00:04:20.600 --> 00:04:24.800 will have to move somewhere else. Look at the movement 75 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:28.759 that we could since nineteen seventy six specifically wanted to 76 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:31.160 put those settlements to destroy the. 77 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:32.839 Possibility of a Palestinian state. 78 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:37.519 And that's a given. They made the settlements, so many settlements, 79 00:04:37.800 --> 00:04:41.279 half a million settlers there. That's going to be very difficult. 80 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:44.560 But there is the land. The land is there, and 81 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:50.160 now with Gaza, which could be rebuilt into a beautiful country. 82 00:04:50.199 --> 00:04:53.560 I don't take decades, but you have the land there. 83 00:04:53.839 --> 00:04:57.439 The question is you know, is there the will to 84 00:04:57.519 --> 00:04:59.959 do it and will not will harm us and other 85 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:04.959 take over from the moderate telestiions. That's a very serious shoe. 86 00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:08.439 Well, I will only say three three words to you 87 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:14.560 on that, or four words the past is prologue. We've 88 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:18.759 seen that movie before, Jack, in my opinion, all right, 89 00:05:18.800 --> 00:05:21.079 thanks for you calling my friend. Be Well, I'm sorry 90 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:23.959 about that experience you you wrote to me about today 91 00:05:23.959 --> 00:05:24.680 that that had. 92 00:05:24.600 --> 00:05:27.079 To be we'll talk about. 93 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:30.600 We'll talk about another time. Okay, thank you to Let 94 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:33.519 me go to David san Antonio. Dave, you had a 95 00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:38.040 big event in San Antonio today with seven police officers shot. 96 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:41.680 If I, if I listened to the evening news correctly, 97 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:43.720 I hope that was nowhere near where you live. 98 00:05:44.959 --> 00:05:49.199 It wasn't, but uh, I was near where my daughter work, 99 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:55.639 and UH worry about her job. But I with the 100 00:05:55.680 --> 00:05:59.480 issue today, I I I don't think there's a solution. 101 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:05.959 The only solution is to settle it one way or 102 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:12.480 another by winning or losing. I mean, it's if we 103 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:17.279 experience it right here in America. If you're Jewish or 104 00:06:17.319 --> 00:06:21.560 even of Jewish heritage like me. I'm Catholic, but my 105 00:06:21.680 --> 00:06:25.079 father was a Jew and by that side of my 106 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:30.839 family are Jewish. And when they when living in Detroit 107 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:36.120 and that neighborhood on seven miles, found out with a mosque, 108 00:06:36.439 --> 00:06:40.000 found out that I was of Jewish heritage. My daughter 109 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:45.439 was delivering their newspaper two hundred houses she delivered on 110 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:52.920 that's on seven miles and they were down at the 111 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:58.680 Detroit News distributorship saying, take that little jew, go off 112 00:06:58.759 --> 00:07:01.000 that news rap up. We're going at killer. 113 00:07:01.920 --> 00:07:07.079 Okay again, Dave, you know, I understand the trauma of that, 114 00:07:07.160 --> 00:07:12.240 but I just think that that that's not going to 115 00:07:12.319 --> 00:07:15.759 be helpful for the conversation tonight. That's all I mean. Again, 116 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:18.399 if you want to talk about what's going on in. 117 00:07:18.360 --> 00:07:23.439 The Middle East, the hostilities, the hostilities are worldwide, is 118 00:07:23.480 --> 00:07:24.240 what I'm saying. 119 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:28.680 Look, I understand there are bad people. Understand there are 120 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:32.839 bad people on both sides. Okay, but again, you're telling 121 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:35.360 me a story I don't know. I think I know 122 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:39.199 you well enough to know that that happened several years ago, 123 00:07:39.319 --> 00:07:42.720 maybe many years ago. I just I don't want to 124 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:47.759 this is This is not a program to ear personal grievances. 125 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:50.160 I don't know the story. I know you're a true 126 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:51.040 tellent age. 127 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:54.319 It's not a personal a grievance. Then, I'm just trying 128 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:57.680 to point out that the issue in Israel is worldwide. 129 00:07:58.399 --> 00:08:01.439 I understand that, I understand that, and as I said, 130 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:05.800 I don't think a two state solution is possible either. 131 00:08:06.519 --> 00:08:08.120 That's what I'm saying. So I think I think we 132 00:08:08.240 --> 00:08:11.360 arrive at the same conclusion. I look at it and 133 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:13.399 the way I try to explain it to people, And 134 00:08:13.439 --> 00:08:17.759 I'd love to get your response to this Israel. People 135 00:08:17.879 --> 00:08:20.120 think of Israel or it must be some big country. 136 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:23.959 It's the size of New Jersey. It's surrounded by enemies. 137 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:26.879 It's surrounded by enemies. And to say, well, they can 138 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:31.439 give away half the country to Palestinians. The problem was, 139 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:36.559 you have Gaza, and you have this this horrific stew 140 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:39.840 of hatred bubbling up there, and all of a sudden 141 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:43.279 one Saturday morning, they said, let's go over into Israel 142 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:47.039 and let's kill twelve hundred people, let's kidnap another couple 143 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:50.399 one hundred people, and let's just turn the world upside down. 144 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:53.080 I don't think you and they were doing it on 145 00:08:53.279 --> 00:08:57.919 bicycles in mopeds. It wasn't a military and you know 146 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:03.720 it was. It was like a gang fight almost, and 147 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:06.600 and and that is it can only have occurred because 148 00:09:06.639 --> 00:09:10.360 of the proximity. I'm agreeing with you in terms of 149 00:09:10.559 --> 00:09:16.279 how difficult it is to solve this problem. And my 150 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:22.600 suggestion to the console general was find a country that 151 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:27.480 apparently is happy to have the hootie rebels there and 152 00:09:27.679 --> 00:09:30.360 uh and half a mass move lock, stock and barrel 153 00:09:30.399 --> 00:09:32.559 to the Yemen and and see if they can get 154 00:09:32.559 --> 00:09:39.840 along with the Hooties. Right right, That's that's what I'm saying. 155 00:09:40.559 --> 00:09:43.200 You were setting me as your neighbors. 156 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:47.039 Just no, I understand that. Yeah, No, I get the point, 157 00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:49.240 and I think that's I think we agree on the point. 158 00:09:49.679 --> 00:09:52.240 The example that you give me obviously was traumatic for 159 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:54.559 your daughter and traumatic for you, But I just would 160 00:09:54.679 --> 00:09:57.279 rather bring it, bring it out to the top. 161 00:09:57.679 --> 00:10:00.600 We're trying to out on the examp. Well, just try 162 00:10:00.639 --> 00:10:05.279 to house the fact that it's worldwide, that attitude towards 163 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:08.200 Jewish people, It's not just there. 164 00:10:08.960 --> 00:10:12.240 Well, you're right, I mean, look, you had, you had 165 00:10:12.240 --> 00:10:17.879 the programs in Russia going back, you know, decades, centuries. Uh, 166 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:25.240 You've you've had Jewish people the experience of the Holocaust. 167 00:10:25.399 --> 00:10:28.039 I mean, it's happened in different areas of the world, 168 00:10:29.039 --> 00:10:32.840 and and we've had anti Semitism in this country for 169 00:10:32.879 --> 00:10:37.720 many years. I don't understand it because wherever Jewish people 170 00:10:38.200 --> 00:10:44.039 have existed nothing but prosperity, has occurred. I mean, you know, 171 00:10:44.159 --> 00:10:47.799 why would you not want Jewish people in your community. 172 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:51.759 There are a group of people that they're not that 173 00:10:51.879 --> 00:10:57.120 many of them around the world, but generally there's prosperity. 174 00:10:57.679 --> 00:11:01.799 Uh And I don't I don't understand it. You know, 175 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:05.200 I here in Boston. I grew up in a part 176 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:07.320 of Boston which was very close to Mattapan, and it 177 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:08.879 was I don't know if you have been in Boston, 178 00:11:08.919 --> 00:11:11.759 but Bluehill Avenue I remember as a boy it was 179 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:17.519 filled with Jewish markets. There were bakeries, and there were 180 00:11:17.559 --> 00:11:21.360 there were you know, meat markets and stores and it 181 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:26.879 was it was wonderful Saturday morning. My dad would take 182 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:29.799 us and we would go shopping at these small shops 183 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:33.200 and we knew all all these people. I don't understand 184 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:38.360 the the the instinctive animis that exists in the world 185 00:11:38.440 --> 00:11:42.639 towards Jewish people. I don't. And having visited Utts in 186 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:45.919 the mid nineteen in nineteen eighty six and won in 187 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:50.360 an Emmy Award from my reporting there to everybody in 188 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:55.840 the world should visit places like Auschwitz U and every 189 00:11:55.919 --> 00:12:01.240 student should should have to in American schools learn about 190 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:02.360 the Holocaust. 191 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:02.919 Uh. 192 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:03.440 And and. 193 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:09.919 The cost of the cost of World War two. I 194 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:12.039 get emotional about this stuff. David. I happen to be 195 00:12:12.120 --> 00:12:14.320 like you, happen to be Catholic. I was born Catholic. 196 00:12:14.840 --> 00:12:19.879 You're obviously a convert. But it's uh, it's it's frightening 197 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:23.519 to think that that history seems to constantly repeat itself 198 00:12:23.919 --> 00:12:27.399 against a group of people who have done nothing other 199 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:36.600 than you know, create, invent, uh, energize and produce. I 200 00:12:36.639 --> 00:12:40.000 mean that the most productive group of people in the world. 201 00:12:40.039 --> 00:12:43.200 I mean, we wouldn't have have won them the race 202 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:48.039 to the Moon without scientists. Anyway, I got a run. 203 00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:50.440 I will talk to you soon, Okay, be well, be well, 204 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:54.320 it's good night. Thank you, Dave, appreciate it. We'll take 205 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:57.879 a break six one, seven thirty. There's one line there, 206 00:12:57.919 --> 00:13:02.120 and there's two lines at six one seven nine. 207 00:13:02.480 --> 00:13:02.759 Uh. 208 00:13:02.799 --> 00:13:06.159 I'll be happy to talk about this, but again it's 209 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:09.720 up to you, you, the audience, decide. We'll be back 210 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:10.639 on night Side after this. 211 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:14.600 Now back to Dan ray Line from the window World 212 00:13:14.720 --> 00:13:19.080 night Side Studios on WBZ the news radio. 213 00:13:19.639 --> 00:13:21.279 Okay, back to the phone. Let me go to Gary 214 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:23.960 in New Jersey. Hey, Gary, welcome back, Happy. 215 00:13:23.759 --> 00:13:27.879 To Jersey and Dan good show tonight. Thank you very 216 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:28.840 much yourself. 217 00:13:29.720 --> 00:13:33.080 We're doing okay. We're doing okay. A few days often 218 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:34.159 and feel energized. 219 00:13:34.279 --> 00:13:38.080 Go ahead at that at our age, that's about pretty good. 220 00:13:38.279 --> 00:13:43.919 Feel okay. But now with the Palace anything, not having 221 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:47.120 any hostages there, I got no skin in the game. 222 00:13:47.240 --> 00:13:52.639 But after what they did on the seventh at that 223 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:57.360 rock concert and all the you know, just everything that 224 00:13:57.399 --> 00:14:02.480 they did, yep, my feeling if I is an expansion, 225 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:05.919 they are never going to be friends with this rad 226 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:10.240 And I know there's people there, there's children, screw them, 227 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:15.080 get rid of them. I have to watch your back. Yeah, 228 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:17.600 And I can't see how you can live like that. 229 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:23.320 And well that's a whole bunch of Arab countries opening 230 00:14:23.399 --> 00:14:26.279 up their doors. Come on, come on over here. 231 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:32.080 No no, no, no, no no. And obviously hesbo lah. 232 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:38.279 You know, basically Lebanon had been a Christian country. Uh, 233 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:45.559 that country was overthrown aside in Syria. He was no friend. 234 00:14:45.799 --> 00:14:48.240 And just you look at at the Middle East and 235 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:53.120 you look at the swaths of land that Israel. You know, 236 00:14:53.639 --> 00:14:56.559 the Jewish people developed the state of Israel. Israel was 237 00:14:56.600 --> 00:15:00.519 a desert when they got there. Uh, absolutely it's it's 238 00:15:00.639 --> 00:15:07.200 unbelievable and productive. Yeah, that's the point. And give the 239 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:12.799 Palestinians a parcel of land somewhere. There's plenty of areas 240 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:16.759 in Jordans, in Egypt, et cetera. Right, why do they 241 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:20.279 have why do they have to live next door? You're 242 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:23.120 in New Jersey, Okay. 243 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:22.240 You know. 244 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:27.440 If you look at a map, truly New Jersey is 245 00:15:27.519 --> 00:15:31.960 almost identical, not only in shape but in contour. And 246 00:15:32.360 --> 00:15:35.320 it's similar to It's it's on the Atlantic Ocean as 247 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:38.639 opposed to Israel is uh, you know, from from the 248 00:15:38.720 --> 00:15:39.159 river to the. 249 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:45.399 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 250 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:49.200 And as an American and I am a Jew, I'm 251 00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:53.960 a conservative to that practices and all of that. And 252 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:58.799 my wife's a Catholic, you know, she practice is very spiritual, 253 00:15:59.120 --> 00:16:03.480 so you know, but one thing, and like I just said, 254 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:09.799 as an American, there are only stable ally in the region, 255 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:14.320 So why would we not want them to be as 256 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:19.799 secure as possible, especially if things in that region have 257 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:27.559 to happen with Iran and any of the other places. 258 00:16:28.279 --> 00:16:33.519 It ran in Iraq, in Syria and for that matter, Turkey, Libya. 259 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:36.840 Libya was a pain in the butt for for decades 260 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:39.039 that I know. 261 00:16:40.279 --> 00:16:44.120 Yeah, I know my son did two tours in Iraq. 262 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:47.600 He was in the infantry and he got wounded but 263 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:52.000 came back fine. But he said one thing and I 264 00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:55.600 always remembered it, and I used to feel the same way. 265 00:16:56.399 --> 00:17:00.639 He said, everyone wanted to kill me was a Muslim, 266 00:17:01.080 --> 00:17:03.720 And you know, that kind of says it all. And 267 00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:09.359 you know, do something with them, whatever they got to do. 268 00:17:09.599 --> 00:17:12.880 But Israel needs to be secure to this country state. 269 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:16.559 And I just want to say one other thing. All 270 00:17:16.640 --> 00:17:20.599 those students that were protesting from the river to the sea, 271 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:25.920 which most of them didn't know which river or which sea. 272 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:30.200 But and by the way, for those who don't, for 273 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:34.519 those who don't know, the Jordan River is on one 274 00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:37.039 side of Israel and on the other side of the 275 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:39.799 Israel is the Mediterranean Sea. And that's what they were 276 00:17:39.839 --> 00:17:42.400 talking about. It was too early. The river to the 277 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:46.519 sea means of Israel would be eliminated. 278 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:51.559 Absolutely. And you know what I really can't. I mean, 279 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:54.119 I grew up in an old Jewish and Italian neighborhood. 280 00:17:54.240 --> 00:17:56.200 As a matter of fact, in my neighborhood where I 281 00:17:56.200 --> 00:17:59.000 grew up in New York, you really didn't have to 282 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:02.200 speak English long as you could speak Italian or Yiddish. 283 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:03.759 We all got it. 284 00:18:04.279 --> 00:18:06.359 You did have any Irish kidchen, You didn't have any 285 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:07.720 Irish kidchen in your neighborhood. 286 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:11.720 Guy, we only went over to see the Irish kids, uh, 287 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:16.480 with sticks, and they only came to visit us that way. Hey, 288 00:18:16.599 --> 00:18:18.680 That's how it was. But you know, we got along 289 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:23.000 in everything, and I never I never really found any 290 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:26.839 anti Semitism. And I've always been in things that are 291 00:18:26.920 --> 00:18:30.039 not typical the Jews. 292 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:31.960 You know, I lived there. I grew up in a 293 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:37.400 neighborhood that was predominantly Irish and Italian, and I never 294 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:42.920 heard the Old Irish utter any epithet towards Jewish people. 295 00:18:43.039 --> 00:18:47.519 They highly respected. The Old Irish used to have twenty 296 00:18:47.559 --> 00:18:50.200 words for Italians, none of which I'd want to repeat 297 00:18:50.200 --> 00:18:54.640 on the radio. But they revered, Uh, you know the Jewish. 298 00:18:54.680 --> 00:18:57.599 You know, the grocers and the bakers and the butchers 299 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:01.000 on Blue Hill Avenue in Boston and in Matapan. 300 00:19:02.640 --> 00:19:06.000 When you and I were growing up, things were more 301 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:09.119 ethnic than they are today. And I think that's because 302 00:19:09.160 --> 00:19:12.559 we were all first generation or maybe second generation. 303 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:14.960 I also, I also think there's a whole thing to 304 00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:18.599 the to the to the ladder, meaning you know, the 305 00:19:18.640 --> 00:19:21.680 first people were here with the Pilgrims, and you know, 306 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:25.160 and that was what we call here in New England 307 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:28.119 the old Yankees, uh. And they were in the show. 308 00:19:28.839 --> 00:19:32.160 And then along came my four Beers, the Irish from 309 00:19:32.200 --> 00:19:34.960 the Potato famine, and they were on the next rung 310 00:19:35.039 --> 00:19:38.960 of the ladder. And then in came the East. Well 311 00:19:39.079 --> 00:19:43.759 in came the Italians and the other Europeans and and 312 00:19:43.839 --> 00:19:47.119 you know, it's and then there was you know, Jewish 313 00:19:47.160 --> 00:19:52.119 immigration in the in the nineteen thirties. And it's it's 314 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:55.119 the ladder, and it's the people that you disliked the most, 315 00:19:55.440 --> 00:19:57.839 not of the the people who are above you on 316 00:19:57.920 --> 00:20:00.240 the ladder, on the wrong of the ladder, of these 317 00:20:00.279 --> 00:20:03.000 people who are under you, because you're fearful they're going 318 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:04.599 to get past you. 319 00:20:05.920 --> 00:20:10.799 I know one thing, my grandfather and I was, you know, alive. 320 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:16.839 He came here. He was from Russia, and he was 321 00:20:16.920 --> 00:20:20.240 fourteen years old and had to go in to drop 322 00:20:20.319 --> 00:20:23.759 stuff off in his village from their farm and got 323 00:20:23.799 --> 00:20:27.759 conscripted into the Russian army and like nineteen oh three 324 00:20:28.519 --> 00:20:31.720 they just took him. He was in there five years, 325 00:20:31.799 --> 00:20:35.440 came home on leave and said I'm going to America. 326 00:20:36.200 --> 00:20:39.160 He was there in time for the Russian Japanese War, 327 00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:41.279 the Russia Japan Japanese War. 328 00:20:42.480 --> 00:20:46.759 The funny part is he's here nineteen seventeen, he gets 329 00:20:46.960 --> 00:20:48.440 drafted into. 330 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:48.920 The World War. 331 00:20:50.799 --> 00:20:54.559 So, you know, but everything Gary. 332 00:20:54.440 --> 00:20:59.279 Absolutely, But I'll say one thing. Those people there are 333 00:20:59.319 --> 00:21:03.240 our friends Israel, and they we have a big connection 334 00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:05.279 to them, more than we do any of those other 335 00:21:05.359 --> 00:21:10.359 Arab countries, and we need to support them for our benefit. 336 00:21:11.799 --> 00:21:14.319 But I also think that the Abraham Accords might be 337 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:19.720 the bridge that that could slowly be built so that 338 00:21:20.440 --> 00:21:25.920 countries in the Middle East, you know, like the Arab Emirates, 339 00:21:26.319 --> 00:21:30.200 the uae all, you know, in Saudi Arabia, they can 340 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:34.920 see Israel. And I think that that peace with Israel 341 00:21:35.359 --> 00:21:39.880 will will will make literally the economies of the Middle 342 00:21:39.880 --> 00:21:42.119 East bloom. 343 00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:48.279 And you know what, life is so short. I had 344 00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:51.160 a year of war and that was more than enough 345 00:21:51.200 --> 00:21:55.440 to satisfy me for two lifetimes. I would think these 346 00:21:55.480 --> 00:21:57.960 people would want to get to yether and say, like 347 00:21:58.039 --> 00:22:01.480 you said, hey, let's do so I'm good here and 348 00:22:01.640 --> 00:22:04.480 really with the Palestinians. If they would have looked at 349 00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:08.240 Israel and use that as a template, they'd be doing 350 00:22:08.319 --> 00:22:09.119 swell today. 351 00:22:10.839 --> 00:22:13.680 So sad, so sad Yey Gary, Thanks Man, I got 352 00:22:13.720 --> 00:22:15.920 the news. I gotta run, Thanks Man, talk to you 353 00:22:15.960 --> 00:22:19.759 so happy New York talkson coming back on Nightside. Here's 354 00:22:19.799 --> 00:22:21.960 the news. I got a couple of more open lines. 355 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:24.039 If you want, we can talk to me the least here. 356 00:22:24.319 --> 00:22:27.359 If not, we'll switch topics six one, seven, two, five, 357 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:30.319 four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. 358 00:22:30.680 --> 00:22:33.960 The world is a small place, ladies and gentlemen. Believe me, 359 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:37.240 it's a small place. And if the Middle East ever 360 00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:42.319 blew up, we would all feel the flames. Trust me 361 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:44.880 on that. It is a Walt Disney headed right. It 362 00:22:44.960 --> 00:22:47.960 is a very small world. And if you have questions 363 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:51.839 or concerns and you'd like to join the conversation, feel free. 364 00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:53.839 Back on Nightside right after the. 365 00:22:53.799 --> 00:23:03.119 News, Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio. 366 00:23:04.440 --> 00:23:06.599 Back we go. Let's go to Wildowne in Long Island. 367 00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:08.200 Hey will welcome back. How are you, sir? 368 00:23:09.279 --> 00:23:12.640 Hey Dan? How you doing so? I'm half Irish, half Italian, 369 00:23:13.720 --> 00:23:16.759 and you know my great grandparents on the Irish side 370 00:23:16.759 --> 00:23:20.039 were from Ireland. My grandparents on my mother's side were 371 00:23:20.039 --> 00:23:22.799 from Italy, so I know all the names that were 372 00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:25.400 used for both sides. I heard them all the time 373 00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:28.480 from one side to the other side. And then in 374 00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:30.799 New York they all lived in the same neighborhood, like 375 00:23:30.799 --> 00:23:33.319 I'm sure, like in Boston, you know, and like you know, 376 00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:35.400 and the Jews also, you know. And I think what 377 00:23:35.440 --> 00:23:38.039 you call was saying like we were more ethnic back then, yeah, 378 00:23:38.079 --> 00:23:39.960 because the people were here. But I think he meant 379 00:23:39.960 --> 00:23:42.960 for white people, because you know, the amalgamation of the 380 00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:46.400 white race really happened here in the United States hundreds 381 00:23:46.400 --> 00:23:49.359 of years ago, seventeen hundreds or so. You you you 382 00:23:49.480 --> 00:23:52.119 said that an Irishman was the same race as an Englishman. 383 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:55.279 I mean, that was absurd. You know, the thought of 384 00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:58.160 that was ridiculous. You know, there were laws on the 385 00:23:58.160 --> 00:24:00.400 books and the sixteen hundreds that kill in the Irishman 386 00:24:00.440 --> 00:24:02.400 was a kind of killing a dog. You know, it 387 00:24:02.440 --> 00:24:05.359 wasn't the same as as the night. 388 00:24:05.680 --> 00:24:07.720 But no, all I was what I was saying, No, 389 00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:09.759 please don't misinterpret what I was saying. What I was 390 00:24:09.759 --> 00:24:16.680 saying was that the English arrived first, and they kind 391 00:24:16.680 --> 00:24:19.400 of ruled the roost politically and in every other way. 392 00:24:20.039 --> 00:24:21.599 Uh, you know, I get down. I'm just making a 393 00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:23.559 separate point. I mean, I know that you weren't saying 394 00:24:23.559 --> 00:24:25.480 that at all. I mean, you know, the totem pole 395 00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:28.079 was still there today, you know, like I mean, the 396 00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:30.319 last one in right, I mean, the signs used to 397 00:24:30.359 --> 00:24:33.160 say what Irish need not apply after we were released 398 00:24:33.160 --> 00:24:36.279 from indentured servitude or whatever Irish need not apply. And 399 00:24:36.279 --> 00:24:38.279 then the Italians came in and they said, oh, look 400 00:24:38.279 --> 00:24:40.960 at these gas balls. They don't even speak English. So 401 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:42.880