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Speaker 1: What when I went up?

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Speaker 2: What Up?

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Speaker 1: Everybody?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of Let's Ask Paul, the podcast

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where you can ask me Paul Abernathy anything you want

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about the National Electrical Code and all things electrically related.

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Thanks for joining me on today's show. We have a

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great one today. Uh, for all of you out there

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who maybe you're somebody in high school, maybe you're you know,

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you're in one career and you want to shift to

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another career something like that, and maybe you're you're thinking

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of making.

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Speaker 1: A career move and you hear that.

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Speaker 2: The life as an electrician is glamorous and that's where

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you want to be. But you want to know how

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you get started or what my recommendation. So today's episode,

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I'm gonna do top five things that really can help

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you decide whether or not you want to get into

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this trade. Now I will tell you, you know, obviously we

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live the glamorous, glamorous life. Yeah, but you know, in

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all seriously, we you know electricians is being an electricians

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One of the proudest things I've ever done in this

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profession is just having the ability to originally starting out

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in the industry, was you know, working with my hands

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and the ability to create things and be in demand.

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And I learned early on that while I went to

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college later early on, when I wanted to get out

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of high school and wanted to get right into the

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working world, I realized that, you know, I had options

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when it became a trade. And of course I started

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in the electrical program while I was back in high school,

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so I was there's a shot out to the Charlottesville album.

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All Vocational Tech School that's where I started. Since then,

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it doesn't have a dedicated electrical program, but it did

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back when I was there, and my instructor was Bob Barrett,

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who was my mentor, and he was a great guy

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who was like a second father figure to me through

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the years. But when I got started, you know, I

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was I was not always the best teenager, right I was.

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I always did didn't do what I was told, you know,

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hated authority, all this kind of stuff, YadA, YadA, YadA.

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And it's kind of interesting that I would even have

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this this podcast today considering when this one releases, it

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will be the eleventh anniversary of my father's passing, who

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you know, probably wasn't sure that electrical was the thing

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that I should go into back then, although he didn't care.

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you know, it was really he didn't understand the relationship

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that I had with my electrical instructor, but he respected

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it and he supported it. And when I went into

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business for myself, it was my dad who actually helped

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me out. My mom was like, dude, you're all over

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the place, and I'm not going to invest in you

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right now, and I get it. I wouldn't have either,

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but my dad did, and he believed in me and

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he helped me where he could and got me into it,

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and not really in the electrical business, but it helped

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me get the equipment I needed for my first business.

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I paid him back in about six months after getting

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into business, and it was great to be able to

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do that, that pride of being able to pay him back,

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but at least he gave me the opportunity. So I

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learned early on that electrical is where I wanted to be.

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That was the profession that I wanted to be into.

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like I said, I went to a vocation school, and

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in that vocational school is where I learned how to

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to to do the hands on stuff right, how to uh,

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you know, run the circuit's bend conduit and tubing and

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and and and learn all those type of things the

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hands on and it was a two year program and

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that's how I got started. Now, some of you out

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there who are wondering that are in the you know,

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want to get into this trade, and they're like, what

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what is How do I get started into it? I

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understand you went to a vocational school and if you

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have that opportunity and you're a teenager, don't let them

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push college down your throat. I know quite a few

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college graduates who are struggling to find jobs and they

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don't make as much as an electrician. Uh. And there's

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a lot of opportunities for electricians. Whether you want to

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do residential, commercial, industrial service work only, you want to

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do smart homes, whatever, there's an opportunity generator work.

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Speaker 1: Whether or not you know there you can.

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Speaker 2: There's so many avenues that you can pick your specialty

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if you want. If you just want to do residential,

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just do multi family housing. I think it's up to you.

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from the same thing, the same fundamentals. Now I'm here

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to tell you that you're going to learn early on.

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You're gonna hear people say, well, you must learn them's law,

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you must learn all the Okay, that's just foundational stuff

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that you will not, for the most part, will not

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use the rest of your electrical career. And if you do,

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we have apps for that, we have calculators for that.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not here to to have people that are

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out there in the trade, and there are plenty of

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them that want to scare you and say, oh no,

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you got to learn all these algebraic equations. They're full

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of shit. Don't listen to them. Okay, I'm here to

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tell you that don't listen to them. You don't need that.

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You do have to have a good foundational understanding of

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the National Electrical Code. Well beyond all of that stuff

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about formulas. Okay, all that stuff can be it out

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with an app on your phone. But when it comes

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to the code, there are certain things that you're going

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to be doing while you're immersed in the work, learning

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with your hands, working on something as a helper or

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an apprentice that you're going to wonder why do I

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Why do I secure this cable this many feet? Why

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can't I go further? I mean, why can't I do this?

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the ceiling over joyce is, why do I have to

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secure it? I mean, it's supported, but why do I

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have to secure? So there's so many little things that

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you're ultimately going to do in your career that you're

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wondering why you do it, And that's.

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Speaker 1: Why you learn the National Electrical Code.

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Speaker 2: But let's kind of back it up a little bit

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and kind of give you a little bit of an introduction.

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My name's Paul Abernathy. If you don't know who I am,

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I'm the CEO and founder of Electrical Code Academy. I've

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been working in the electrical industry for just at forty years.

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I've worked as a journeyman electrician, master electrician. I've worked

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as a helper while I was in school. I grew

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up to work start a company with my brother in

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UH competed in the in the Vica contests and did

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very well. I ended up branching off and opening my

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own electrical contracting businesses away from my brother who incidentally

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still in electrical contracting business even now in his sixties.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And so I branched off and did mine, and I

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did it in both Virginia and in Texas. So through

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the years i'd been a the electrical plans examiner. I

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have been the electrical engineer too, for the for a

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major city, the capital city in Virginia. I was a

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code supervisor in northern Virginia for a large I wouldn't

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say large, but it's the city is adjacent to DC

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and a lot of the politicians live there.

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Speaker 1: And so you kind of get an idea.

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Speaker 2: Then I also worked for NIMA, the Nation Electrical Manufacturing Association,

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as a Southern field representative. Basically, we're the NEC code

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experts and there was four of us around the country.

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I handled thirteen states in the South and they were

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under my purview. Means that I would travel around teaching

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and helping manufacturers understand the code and how it's applied.

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a position at uncuore Wire which is now Prismium, but

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it's the world's largest wiring cable manufacturer, as a director

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of technical services.

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Speaker 1: So oversaw their.

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Speaker 2: Thing in all that time creating academies and creating lessons

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and training and courses and doing continuing it. In fact,

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in Virginia, I was the first to create the continuing

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education program. I was the very first approved educator, and

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I helped have a part in that program and so

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have a bit of a history in it. But again, I,

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like everybody else, started back with digging the trenches and

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pulling the conductors, pulling the cables and getting the hands dirty.

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Speaker 1: I've got the cuts still to prove it.

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Speaker 2: Now you go online and you do a lot of

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stuff and you get you know, you have all these people.

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Who's what's amazing to me is I can write books,

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teach the code for decades now and still have the

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young people go, who are you?

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Speaker 1: What have you done?

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Speaker 2: You don't live it, You just talk about it. You

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just teach it because you can't do it. It still

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amazes me that those people don't realize that you're gonna

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be my age, You're gonna be fifties and sixties, and

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you're gonna have the younger generations say exactly the same

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thing about you, Especially if you're in the limelight or

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you're in the know or in the talking point, So

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get over it. You're gonna be there, trust me, And

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I'm probably gonna be gone, but you know I'm gonna

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be up in heaven laughing, going, Yeah, you're right there

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where I was. The reality is electricity, for the most part,

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in the code is like riding a bike. Once you

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learn it, you just maintain your balance.

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Speaker 1: You can keep on learning.

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Speaker 2: You just keep learning and you get better and better

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and better at it, and you have to put in

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that time. You have to put in that effort. So

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what is your advice for somebody who's just getting in

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the trade or just wanting to get into the trade.

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Can you give them advice? I say absolutely. And one

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of the biggest questions I get from high school graduates,

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from those that are still in high school. Younger folks

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because I've been groomed to do this thing, college thing,

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or I've been groomed to do this or that. But

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I really see opportunity because being an electrician is a

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path to being ownership of your business, to have destiny

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in your hand. Now, I'm not saying that's only electrical,

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I mean plumbing, mechanical, they have.

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Speaker 1: This as well.

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Speaker 2: But you have the ability to branch out in so

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many things. Okay, even more so with electrical because of

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how technical it can be. But for anybody that tells

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you now you got to learn all kinds of complicated

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algebraics and all this kind of stuff, they're full of shit.

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Don't listen to them. Don't let that be a deterrent.

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You ain't got to be the best and the best

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in the world at math. Okay today you do not. Okay,

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but I really want to become an electrician. Where do

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I start? What do I do? What is the path

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that I need to take? Okay, well, number one, you

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need to identify that licensing path. Because you can go

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get a job as a helper. You can go get

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a job as a prince. And we're all going to

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talk about why that's important, because that's all about building

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the experience. But the first thing you have to identify

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this is not going to be a short trip. There's

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no ready fixes, there's no overnight snap your fingers and

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you can just start doing your own thing. I mean,

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remember when you're wiring, and I think a lot of

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people out there and I use the term electricians loosely

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for this, forget that anything that you do, you are

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putting other people's lives in your hands. Now, as cliche

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as that may sound, you are you are literally putting

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other people's homes, their dwellings, their property, anything that they

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interact with. When it comes to electrical you have to

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do it right. Whether it's bonding, whether it's grounding, whether

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it's GFCI, AFCI, whatever it is, you have to do

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it right. There's always the wolf waiting in the wings

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to jump on you when you do it wrong, especially

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if there's an incident, a fire, something happens and they

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come to find out that you're the electrician that did

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it and you didn't do it right, and you say, well,

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the inspector didn't catch it. No, it's your responsibility to

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do it right. So that's why I tell people all

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the time, especially younger folks, don't joke around.

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Speaker 1: Focus because this is a profession.

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time is now before you even touch a wire, before

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you even touch a conduit or tubing, or before you

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even bought your own.

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Speaker 1: Your first set of tools.

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Speaker 2: You have to understand that there's a licensing path for

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every state, and it is different in every state. So

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the first thing you have to identify is Okay, before

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I even done it, you're like, Okay, I want to

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be an electrician. I know that I got some steps

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I have to go through. I know I've got time

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that I'm going to have to do. And the funny

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thing about time is when you're younger, you think it's

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it's infinite, and when you get in your forty, late forties, fifties,

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and sixties, you realize time is fleeting, that it goes

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by very quickly. And it's when you get fifties and

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sixties you realize and you look at your family history

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and you go, you know, dude, I might have only

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ten years left on this earth.

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Speaker 1: It's a reality. Sucks, but it's a reality so well.

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Speaker 2: The years of growth that I tell people all the time,

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assuming you live to seventy, is to realize that your

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twenties and your early thirties are the point in your

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life where you're going to make the decisions that are

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going to dictate the comfort level that you have in

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your late forties and fifties and sixties, and.

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Speaker 1: They can be wonderful years. I'm living those years.

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Speaker 2: But you have to set up the foundation, and that

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is where you're going to absorb as much knowledge. You're

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going to get much hands on as you can. You're

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going to dabble in doing many things. Some things so successful,

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some things will not be. But that is your learning period.

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So if somebody's in their late twenties, they're thinking, oh,

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my ship is sailed. I wasted my early twenties to

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get that education. It's never too late. But what we're

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saying is we're reaching out to the younger folks that

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are in their mid twenties, early twenties, this is the

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time if you're gonna make a career change. Again, that

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does not mean somebody in their late thirties or forties

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can't make a career change. You most certainly can change

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your career at forty and have thirty good years in

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the industry. You definitely can't. Don't miss.

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Speaker 1: Don't think that. I'm not saying that.

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Speaker 2: What I'm saying is if you decide to make that decision,

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and you make it early, that you have to realize

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that there's a period, and you're gonna have to put

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in your dues, they say, And you're like, that sucks.

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he was he's in the pool industry, or wants to

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be in the pool industry, but he thinks it's gonna

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happen overnight. He wants a contractor's license now, and he's

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got like two years in it. He's never done a

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full job by himself. And he's like, I know, people,

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I got connections, I can. I can do this just

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just if I get a contractor's license.

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Speaker 1: I can. No, that's not how it works. Okay, certainly

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not how.

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Speaker 2: I'm not investing in that because I think that's a

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recipe for failure. So the number the one thing is

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you need to understand the licensing path. Every state is different,

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sometimes even every city is different and have their own rules.

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You know, some call it a journeyman license, other states

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will call it a wireman's or electrical mechanic license. It

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doesn't really matter. They all follow the same type of process.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: You just have to go to your state's Department of

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Labor or their electrical licensing board and they have documents

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for this.

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Speaker 1: So that's your first step research.

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Speaker 2: Is look and see what is the path that you

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need to focus on. You know, like I tell people

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for exam prep all the time, and y'all know, we

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create the probably the most definitive exam prep experience you're

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going to get to try to learn the NEC for licensure.

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We create that. That's our fast Tracks program. But you

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hear me talk about structured plans, structure, getting from point

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A to B with a structure, because that's how we

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logically learn things better. That's why we have grade one kindergarten, first, second, third, fourth,

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this sixth, seventh, eight, nine, tenth, eleventh to twelve.

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Speaker 1: It's structure. This is not reinventing the wheel. This is

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structured learning.

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Speaker 2: We just created an exam prep but in the process

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it helps you become a better electrician because you're learning

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things under a process, not just watching videos all the time.

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And hell, I know that I watch a video on

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something and within after watching it, within a week, I

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forgotten what I watched. I forgot it. It's just something

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about the way we're wired. You have to read it

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to understand it, to comprehend it. It may be dull,

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it may be boring. It may seem mundane. It's like Jesus,

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it's just I'm reading over and over. But it's proven

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for long term success. It's proven. Okay, So you don't

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deviate from a proven plan. Now you enhance the plan.

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You had videos for confirmation, you add graphics, illustrations, you

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add you know, competency reviews, you add all this kind

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of stuff to kind of help you with that path.

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Speaker 1: But you don't deviate from the proven path.

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Speaker 2: But what you need to do is you need to

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to really realize what stayed am I in and when

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I get started? I need to know what are the hours,

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what are the time, what are the expectations for licensing,

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so that I don't deviate from that plan and then

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waste time. Because your goal is to follow the requirements

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in order to get licensed.

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Speaker 1: That's your goal.

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Speaker 2: That should always be your goal first is to get

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that license. If you're working at somebody and you've been

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doing it for ten years and you've got the time in,

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but you still aren't licensed yet, and you think, well,

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I don't need to be licensed because my state doesn't

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require it or who I work for, you're living a

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fool's dream. Get your license whether it just sits in

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your wallet and it just sits there get your license.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Now, when you go to your state's licensing board in

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that type of thing, you're going to see that it's

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going to tell you how many hours it's necessary on

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the job. It's going to also tell you how much

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classroom training is required.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: It's also going to let you know possibly what states

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have reciprocity with other states, right, which is just opens

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up the door. And that doesn't mean you're looking for

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a short cut in one state in order to get

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licensed in another through reciprocity. No, that most of the

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state's licensing is going to be very similar. Like some

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states that you have to have, you know, a certain

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number of years as a helper, and then you have

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to have to say, two hundred and forty hours of

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vocational training, a legit training, whether it's doing an apprenticeship program

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with the vocational school or whatnot. And then at that

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point you'll accumulate the hours it's necessary and then you

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can look at the hands on. The hands on can

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be anywhere from four thousand hours to ten thousand hours,

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and how do you achieve that? Well, w Two's that

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you get that you work for a contractor can validate time,

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but you also have worksheets that many states use that

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will you utilize that in order to be able to

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confirm and they notarize the amount of time you've had

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in the trade. And so that's just a matter of

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putting in your time. Most places around the country. Again,

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don't hold me to this. Every state is different. You

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have to look at your state. I get calls all

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the time and say, what are the requirements to be

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an electrician? I'm like, I don't know, and they get disappointed.

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They're like, well, you mean you don't know. I'm like,

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because every state is different. So some have eight thousand

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hour requirements of hands on work and then some have

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up to five hundred hours of classroom hours before you

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can even take your journeyman exam. Or you can get

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into an apprenticeship program IBEW if that's your flavor, NIKA

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type apprenticeship programs and they will keep track of your

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hours and go through a three four five year program. Now,

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there are also some states that maybe you've been working

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as an apprentice in electrical work for ten years, well,

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there's some states that will take all of that time

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as equivalent to the classroom and with the signature of

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a master electrician that has overseen your work and it

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can attest to your work, then you can sit for

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the exam. Okay, so every state is different, and so

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that's the first thing that you've got to understand. And

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people say, well, no, let me get the time in

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and then I worry about that when I go to

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get licensed.

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Speaker 1: That is opposite. That is not what you do.

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Speaker 2: You first have to identify what the path is so

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that you can make sure that you don't deviate from

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the path. You want to put the shortest amount of

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time possible to get to that point where you can

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take an exam and you don't want to accidentally deviate

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from that.

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Speaker 1: You have to be laser focused.

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Speaker 2: If I'm required to have two hundred and forty hours

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of training vocational school and I have to have five

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thousand hours of hands on immediately, that's what your target is.

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That's what you're shooting for. Okay, immediately, that's it. That's

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your goal. Now, part of that way is where you're

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going to learn the hands on. It's where you're going

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to start accumulating the knowledge and trying to retain it.

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That's part of the trade. So it's a commitment and

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you have to first identify what your state requires. Now

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after that, then you say, okay, this is where I

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need to go. I got to have the hands on

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got it. And a lot of the programs will include

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some hands on so that starts calculating out your time.

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But then you also look at it and say, okay,

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now need I need to find a program. Now every

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states can be different, so some states it may be

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your your they don't have a classroom requirement. Other states will,

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and they will give a list of schools a qualify. No,

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this is not going to be a trade where you

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can get it easy. Okay, it's not what we're talking

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about here. So once you understand your path what you

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need to achieve, you can start going and looking at programs.

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And there are programs that are union programs from IBW,

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from NIKA, you have non union programs like IEC or ABC,

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a bunch of different types of programs. You can even

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start with an online code training like our Fasttracks program. Okay, now,

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whether or not that counts for any hours, that's not

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hands on, so it's just going to increase your knowledge.

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That type of thing, right, most of the people come

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to our programs after they're already accumulated the hours and

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they're preparing to take an electrical exam. Then they come

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to us because at this point they've done the hands

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on they've kind of learned a little bit about the code,

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but they you know, they really focus on the installation

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and running them. You know, they teach you different things

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to make you aware of of how to run the

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business and all this. Well, at that point that's when

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you get into a program like our fast Tracks program.

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So our program is designed to work very well with

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things like the IBW, NIKA, i c S, and ABC

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type of things. So when you need that online training,

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that's where we pick up right now. The key here

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is to find legitimate state approved training programs, okay, and

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that is something that your state will have a list

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of those that are going to help you caut because

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you know what, if you've got to get two hundred

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and forty hours of training, then that has to be

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documented training, Okay, that that has to be a process

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that's documented, kept track of so that they can give

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you your hours. And that's really something that the nikas

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and ib w's and i CS and ABC's of the world.

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They do that very well, very well, Okay, now it

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and don't worry if you don't know a thing yet,

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doesn't matter. Everybody has to start somewhere. I think the

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biggest thing that I see for people is they see

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people owning a business. They say, I can do that,

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I can do that, but they never actually see the

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behind the scenes. Right. I have helpers that have worked

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for electric contractors and goes, shit, this is easy. I

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could be doing this what I need this guy for

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but they don't have the time, they don't have the license.

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But they look at it and go They don't realize

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the work that gets done behind the scenes, whether it's billing,

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keeping up with the company, hiring, firing, benefits. They don't

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see that. They never see that. Nobody ever looks at that.

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Nobody ever peels back that onion. They just see they go, oh,

476
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I'm doing this work and he's paying me this, and

477
00:25:47,839 --> 00:25:50,000
I know what this he's probably priced this job at

478
00:25:50,079 --> 00:25:53,640
I could make that money. That's what everybody sees. That's

479
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,680
the outside of the onion. They don't peel back the layers,

480
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,000
and that's when you peel an onion. That's when you

481
00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:03,279
start crying because there are other layers. There's fees, there's

482
00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:09,079
continuing ed training, there's local licensure, there's permits. There's so

483
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,039
much more that people don't see. So you've got to

484
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put that time in.

485
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:14,759
Speaker 1: Now.

486
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Speaker 2: The next thing I'll tell you is that you really

487
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once you get into a program. The people ask me

488
00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:24,680
all the time, and they do this in apprenticeship programs.

489
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A lot is they wait until like the third year

490
00:26:27,839 --> 00:26:34,960
to start teaching the National Electrical Code. Big mistake, big, big, big, big, big, big,

491
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,839
big big, big, big, big big mistake. Every program should

492
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:46,599
start introducing some type of electrical code training into their lessons,

493
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:51,480
even the hands on they should be explaining why we're

494
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,559
securing non metallic cable every four and a half feet.

495
00:26:54,759 --> 00:26:59,640
They should be explaining when you're bending a raceway. They

496
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should be explaining this. And so there is, whether you

497
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,640
know it or not, you're actually getting code. But instead

498
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,160
of saying it in these schools, I'll tell you, instead

499
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,319
of just saying it to say it right, they need

500
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,200
to say it and put a code reference behind it

501
00:27:18,599 --> 00:27:21,000
so that you start learning that. And why do I

502
00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:23,519
say that, because at some point you're going to have

503
00:27:23,559 --> 00:27:28,759
to take a licensing exam, and at some point you

504
00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:31,480
want to be able to be fluent and understand why

505
00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:34,400
you're doing what you're doing. So my next advice is,

506
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,440
if you get into you find a program, you get

507
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:41,240
into it, they start to teach you the program that

508
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,519
and even if you're in a state where you don't

509
00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:47,079
have a program requirement or hours technical vocational school or

510
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,400
some type of training that type of thing that's documented,

511
00:27:49,839 --> 00:27:51,319
maybe they just say that you got to work four

512
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,200
years for a master. I want you to know that

513
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,519
you need to always be pushing your master or whoever's

514
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,079
technically teaching you to explain, and it may get on

515
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,160
their nerves, but you have to ask to explain, why

516
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,480
are we doing this?

517
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 1: Why are we.

518
00:28:08,839 --> 00:28:12,559
Speaker 2: Securing this cable within eight inches or twelve inches depending

519
00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:15,440
on the type of box that we have. Why are

520
00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:17,720
we boring these holes in the middle of the frame, remember,

521
00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:20,200
and when we don't, why are we putting this nail

522
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:20,720
plate up?

523
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: You get me.

524
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,519
Speaker 2: You have to ask these questions instead of just accepting

525
00:28:26,599 --> 00:28:30,400
things as gospel. I mean, obviously teens today, people growing

526
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,440
up today, younger generation are asking all kinds of questions. Now, granted,

527
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:39,240
they're also eating glue in dishwashing fluid or soap or whatever.

528
00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:42,119
But at the end of the day, we are in

529
00:28:42,119 --> 00:28:44,759
a generation where people want to ask questions and they

530
00:28:44,759 --> 00:28:46,759
want to act like they're in the nose. So ask

531
00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:50,400
the questions, be inquisitive, Be the person in the front row,

532
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,440
don't be the person in the back row. That type

533
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,000
of thing, all right, and remember the codebook is not

534
00:28:55,599 --> 00:28:59,720
your enemy. So that's number three. Learn the NEEC daily,

535
00:29:01,519 --> 00:29:05,480
Get involved and learn. Okay, that's what our programs do.

536
00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:08,880
It helps you not we can't do anything with the

537
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,680
hands on well, we can ask. We can hit you

538
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,000
with the mental part, and that's what our courses do

539
00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:16,200
here at the Academy. That's what we're focused on. We're

540
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:20,960
focused on the mental part. Number four obviously is going

541
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:22,319
to go hand in hand with the others. You need

542
00:29:22,359 --> 00:29:24,039
to get real job site experience. It's hard to have

543
00:29:24,119 --> 00:29:27,920
a communication about something and learn the electrical trade without

544
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,079
actually touching it and feeling it. And I think that's

545
00:29:30,119 --> 00:29:33,319
the one thing that I laugh about when people say, Paul,

546
00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:36,799
you're just a mouthpiece on podcasts and videos and things

547
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:37,160
like that.

548
00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: They don't know me.

549
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 2: They haven't researched me to realize that I'm an electrician

550
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,039
who has been in the crawl spaces, crawled through the attics, okay,

551
00:29:46,759 --> 00:29:48,079
put in the switch gear.

552
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:49,799
Speaker 1: Things like that, put in the generators.

553
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,759
Speaker 2: I think they forget that because again they think the

554
00:29:53,759 --> 00:29:56,759
older guys never did it. And you know, electricity technology

555
00:29:56,759 --> 00:30:00,039
has changed made things easier for us. Right now, I

556
00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:01,960
got a tool that does almost everything for you.

557
00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: We didn't have that.

558
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: Shit, We didn't have a tool that you could strip

559
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,880
five hundred kc meal. What we had was a damn knife,

560
00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:14,079
that's what we had, okay, and we used electrical tape

561
00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:18,079
as band aids. Okay, different today, So I mean, you

562
00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:19,519
got a tool for everything.

563
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,799
Speaker 1: Racketeer makes something for every freaking that. We didn't have that.

564
00:30:23,359 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 2: So running of the wires is no different. Installing the

565
00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:32,240
cables are no different. It's just you have easier ways

566
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,920
to do it now. That makes you work smarter, not harder.

567
00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:36,440
But we didn't have that back then. But at the

568
00:30:36,519 --> 00:30:38,640
end of the day, principles are the same, electrons are

569
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,400
the same, the circuits flow the same, so the same

570
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:42,079
things apply.

571
00:30:42,279 --> 00:30:43,559
Speaker 1: Calculations still apply.

572
00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 2: So again, I don't listen to those people say that

573
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they're just pounding their chests because they they just don't

574
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,279
get it. They're mentally not able to wrap their head

575
00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:53,960
around the fact that they're going to be fifty and

576
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,240
sixty and sixty five and seventy in a blink of

577
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,759
an eye, and they're gonna be looking back and saying,

578
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oh shit.

579
00:31:02,119 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: Now.

580
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Speaker 2: One thing I will tell you is, once you get

581
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,279
to this stage, you decided your path. You know what

582
00:31:08,319 --> 00:31:12,160
your path is. You've contacted the state, you understand your path.

583
00:31:13,079 --> 00:31:15,079
The next thing, like I said, is you get into

584
00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:16,839
a program that's going to get you those hours you

585
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,640
need quick as you can get them. You might as

586
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,519
well not put a kick that can down the road.

587
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:25,279
Get your hours now, they don't expire. Okay, that's hands

588
00:31:25,319 --> 00:31:28,559
on that. That's the training part that don't expire. Get

589
00:31:28,599 --> 00:31:31,519
it done. Knock your hours, whatever they may be in

590
00:31:31,559 --> 00:31:33,839
your state out of the way. While you're doing that,

591
00:31:34,359 --> 00:31:37,880
you're working for somebody. You're getting that job experience, and

592
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,480
that clock starts ticking.

593
00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: Now.

594
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: My advice to you, even though you will get a

595
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,960
W two, but there are gonna be occasions where you

596
00:31:46,039 --> 00:31:48,200
may do some work and I'm not condoning it where

597
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,480
you don't get a W two All I'm saying is

598
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,799
you need to document, keep your own ledger, keep your

599
00:31:55,799 --> 00:32:01,039
own journal, mark down your hours. I mean, look, people say, well, Paul,

600
00:32:01,079 --> 00:32:02,839
that's being too technical.

601
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: Dude. This is a trade. This is a profession. You

602
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,279
can make good, great money in this profession. Don't take

603
00:32:09,319 --> 00:32:09,839
it lightly.

604
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: I see too many videos online where people are joking

605
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,559
about different things like this trade. Dude, this is a profession.

606
00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:18,599
People can get hurt if you do things wrong here.

607
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,759
And I see so many things done wrong on social media.

608
00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:26,519
I cringe. But you know we're litigious. Is that a

609
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:31,920
litigious litigious litigus whatever. We're a society where people soue shit.

610
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,599
So be careful what you do, okay, and do it right.

611
00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:38,839
But track your hours.

612
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: Okay.

613
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 2: Now, once you do that, you're gonna you know, you

614
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:44,960
gotta put your time in.

615
00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: Okay.

616
00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: Rome wasn't built in a day, they say, And the

617
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same thing when it comes to be an electrician. You

618
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,240
may think you know it all, you do not. I

619
00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:55,400
learned something new every day when I look into the

620
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,559
codebook and I read something that I look at it

621
00:32:57,559 --> 00:32:57,839
and go.

622
00:32:57,799 --> 00:32:58,599
Speaker 1: Oh, well that's cool.

623
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,839
Speaker 2: This is why I love coaching because it allows many

624
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,759
forces me to get back in there and read and

625
00:33:03,799 --> 00:33:06,759
say whoa Okay, okay, okay, maybe I didn't see that.

626
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,319
A great example of that, great example is what is

627
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,720
happening in two twenty dot sixty and in the new code,

628
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,319
the twenty twenty six code that changes and it's one

629
00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:26,599
twenty dot six. Is understanding what you're dealing with when

630
00:33:26,599 --> 00:33:30,400
it comes to the things like when doing non coincident loads.

631
00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:34,680
It's totally opened my eyes understanding that's where we were at.

632
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:39,279
But now it just it's so much clearer, and I

633
00:33:39,279 --> 00:33:42,440
think the code making panel for a doing that. And

634
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,720
this is something that took place over the last couple

635
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,200
of cycles, but it was subtle and it was confusing

636
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,240
in the twenty twenty and twenty twenty three where the

637
00:33:50,279 --> 00:33:53,920
foundation was set up in the in the in the

638
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,440
twenty seventeen, and then got clarified in the twenty twenty

639
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,920
eight by the code panel, but it still didn't reson

640
00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:02,799
and it got messed up in the twenty twenty eight.

641
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:04,839
Speaker 1: And now it's clear.

642
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,319
Speaker 2: Okay, And if you don't know what I'm talking about,

643
00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:09,199
you need to listen because I'll obviously be covering that

644
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:10,480
in a video and a podcast.

645
00:34:10,559 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: It's clear.

646
00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 2: Now I get it. It's like an epiphany. It's like, oh,

647
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:18,519
I understood what we were trying to achieve.

648
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: Now.

649
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,159
Speaker 2: We were doing it right all along, but it's the

650
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:23,599
methodology of how we did it was wrong.

651
00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:27,079
Speaker 1: And I'll break it down in a future.

652
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,199
Speaker 2: Episode so you can say, oh, damn, now I get it.

653
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: I get it. It was never about that twenty five percent.

654
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,679
You know what I'm saying. So anyway, the point now.

655
00:34:38,599 --> 00:34:42,199
Speaker 2: Is put in your time, be patient. It's gonna suck.

656
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,199
The pay's not gonna be great. You can do some

657
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,719
side stuff. You might have to have a second job.

658
00:34:48,039 --> 00:34:51,599
Suck it up because at the end of the day,

659
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:55,360
the other side of the rainbow, it's going to be

660
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:56,239
great for this trade.

661
00:34:57,159 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: Are you gonna be a millionaire? No, But it's the

662
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,840
amount of money you make in your destiny.

663
00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:05,599
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you're making twenty five to thirty dollars an hours

664
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:08,360
an electrician, but that's not enough for you. Then you're thinking,

665
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,880
how do I make sixties sixty five, seventy. Well, maybe

666
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,519
ownership's the path, Maybe side hustles the path. Maybe you

667
00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:16,360
work for somebody during the week, but you also have

668
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,800
an emergency service that you work in the evenings or

669
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:23,519
weekends or whatever you're doing. Your hustle years. Your hustle

670
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:27,960
years are your twenties to early thirties. Those are where

671
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,679
you set the foundation for the comfort that you're going

672
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:32,800
to experience in your.

673
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 1: Late forties, fifties, and sixties.

674
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Speaker 2: I have said that multiple times, and it is the

675
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fact you work your ass off in your twenties and

676
00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:44,079
your thirties. You burn the candle at both ends. Yes

677
00:35:44,199 --> 00:35:46,559
you still might be raising the family. Yes you might

678
00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:48,559
be out more than you want. Maybe you don't get

679
00:35:48,559 --> 00:35:51,920
to spend all that time with your kid. Welcome to life,

680
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,599
Welcome to life. The goal is that what you do

681
00:35:57,679 --> 00:36:02,119
in your twenties and early thirties is setting the tone.

682
00:36:03,159 --> 00:36:04,920
And you notice I leave a gap in there right

683
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,760
from the early thirties. What about the mid thirties and

684
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,880
early forties, because you see that I jumped straight to

685
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,480
the late forties to fifties and sixties, because now there's

686
00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:17,679
a period in there that is your decision making period

687
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,719
whether or not you go in business for yourself or

688
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,840
whether or not you need to transition period. So your

689
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,880
late thirties to your early forties is typically that transition

690
00:36:29,199 --> 00:36:32,400
life period where you're like, Okay, I reflect back all

691
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,159
the hard work that I've done, all the hands on,

692
00:36:35,519 --> 00:36:39,599
all the training, everything that I've done, right, and now

693
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,800
that transition is do I want to be my own boss?

694
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:44,000
Do I want to be a lead for some company?

695
00:36:44,039 --> 00:36:47,800
And then I'm going to take that proximately ten years

696
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,280
between thirty five and say forty five. Am I going

697
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,880
to take that ten years and build my nest egg

698
00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:57,199
so that again I'm relaxed in my late forties to

699
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:02,960
my fifties and sixties. Yeah, yeah, because you're definitely going

700
00:37:03,039 --> 00:37:05,119
to be hustling to get the experience in time in

701
00:37:05,679 --> 00:37:08,519
your twenties, in your early thirties so that you can

702
00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:12,079
decide your path, whether it's your own boss. That's the

703
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:14,960
point where you start making your money if you plan

704
00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:17,760
your early years right now. Again, that's not to discourage

705
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,599
anybody that's already after thirty five or forty.

706
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 1: That is not what I'm saying.

707
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to lay out the path for a

708
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,639
young person who looks at it and goes, what opportunities

709
00:37:28,679 --> 00:37:32,960
do I have? You have great opportunities. Earlier you get started,

710
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,440
the better. The earlier you make a.

711
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: Decision the better.

712
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,079
Speaker 2: But It doesn't mean that somebody in their late thirties

713
00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:39,480
and early forties can't start working that plan.

714
00:37:40,039 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: You can.

715
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:42,559
Speaker 2: You're just a little late in the game, but you

716
00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:45,800
can get it, and you're probably more focused now because

717
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,440
you realize your time is not as as expansive as

718
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,559
you thought it was. Okay, not every plan is perfect.

719
00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:58,159
You can agree to disagree. I'm just giving you my thoughts. Okay, Now,

720
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,920
once you have your eye, once you put in the time.

721
00:38:02,119 --> 00:38:04,360
And again you've heard people you hate, young people hate

722
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:05,960
when people say that you got to put in your time.

723
00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: Well I know it now.

724
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 2: No, no, no, you don't. You think you do, but

725
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,400
you don't. You think you know, but you don't put

726
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,800
in your time quick as you can get to that point, right.

727
00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: I was lucky.

728
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 2: I was started. I came right out of high school

729
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,559
and I was I got my license. I was Virginia's

730
00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:28,760
youngest licensed journeyman electrician, and within a year I was

731
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:33,079
the master, younger than everybody. And then I started a

732
00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:36,760
business with my brother, double a electric We worked together

733
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,800
for a while till we realized that we're probably better

734
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,960
working apart than we are together. As far as under

735
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,599
a company's umbrella I started my own electrical service specialist

736
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,760
company and we would subcontract work back and forth. I mean,

737
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,960
I would work with him, but the beauty is that

738
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,239
I could walk away. You see what I'm saying. There

739
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,800
was a sense of freedom in that. So by the

740
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,320
time I was in my mid twenties, I was already

741
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:00,519
owning my own b businesses.

742
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:02,519
Speaker 1: That's not the path.

743
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 2: That everybody would follow, but it is an opportunity for you. You

744
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,159
can do that even if you start small just doing

745
00:39:08,199 --> 00:39:08,920
service work.

746
00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: I have other.

747
00:39:10,199 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 2: Podcasts that talk about how you can actually be very

748
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:17,239
lucrative in just targeting communities with where you live.

749
00:39:18,039 --> 00:39:19,119
Speaker 1: It works, folks.

750
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,079
Speaker 2: Everybody's got a honeyde list, everybody's got things that they

751
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:23,840
want done.

752
00:39:24,159 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 1: You just have to tackle it.

753
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 2: So anyway, once you get all those hours, you follow that,

754
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,679
you put in your time, you put in your dues.

755
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,920
As they say, at this point, you've got to get

756
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,440
ready for an exam. That's when you want to get

757
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,840
a program like ours, because the fast Tracks program is

758
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:40,679
going to help you prepare.

759
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:41,679
Speaker 1: But even before that.

760
00:39:41,679 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 2: You need to make sure that along that time you've

761
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,920
been gathering your paperwork, you show proof of your training,

762
00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:51,079
you have employment verification. If the state requires a document

763
00:39:51,159 --> 00:39:53,159
signed by you need to make sure that.

764
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: You treat this.

765
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,079
Speaker 2: And there's people that do this very sloppily, okay, And

766
00:39:58,119 --> 00:40:00,199
I'm first to admit I didn't have to do this

767
00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:02,039
because I got into it very early. I didn't have

768
00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:06,840
I mean, my experience and my hands on and my

769
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,880
hours of requirement was all documented by the vocational school.

770
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:15,039
Speaker 1: So it's very easy for me. Not so easy for

771
00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:15,679
folks today.

772
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 2: You need to have a folder you need to keep

773
00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:21,880
everything verification of your experience, your training, your proof of

774
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,280
your training, anything that shows hours that you achieved wherever

775
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,960
you're going to school. All those type of things you

776
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,039
need to put together and keep so that when you

777
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:34,800
do apply it to your state licensing board, you have

778
00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:37,679
every duck in a row. It's very hard for them

779
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:43,679
to turn down something that you've done very diligently, properly. Okay,

780
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,480
that's very hard for somebody.

781
00:40:46,119 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: To do that.

782
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 2: Now, when that comes to the NEEC, you make sure

783
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,440
that you get in a good course.

784
00:40:54,639 --> 00:40:55,159
Speaker 1: Do not.

785
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,639
Speaker 2: Do not do those crash courses on weekends to twenty

786
00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:03,400
four hour hour, twelve hours. That don't it's a waste

787
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,199
of money. They're just taking your money, folks. I'm just

788
00:41:06,199 --> 00:41:07,800
being honest because I could do that every day of

789
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,039
the week all around the country. I could do exam prep, webinars, seminars, whatever.

790
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: I just don't do it. It's a waste of money.

791
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,199
Speaker 2: You won't retain it, you won't keep it knowledge for

792
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,320
in you for a long period of time, you'll start

793
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,519
losing it. And a lot of times because of the

794
00:41:24,519 --> 00:41:27,000
short amount of time they want to teach you tips

795
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:31,159
and tricks. There is no tips and tricks to learning

796
00:41:31,199 --> 00:41:34,360
and being electrician. It's experience, it's putting in the time,

797
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,039
that type of thing. So when you do get all

798
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:40,239
that and it's time for you to take an exam.

799
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,679
And I tell people this all the time. If you've

800
00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:45,519
got the number of hours in the classroom and you've

801
00:41:45,519 --> 00:41:48,079
got the number of hands on and you still don't

802
00:41:48,159 --> 00:41:52,280
understand the NEC, then you're not doing it right because

803
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,480
by the time you peak and you get your hours,

804
00:41:56,119 --> 00:42:00,000
you should be ready. It's not like you, in my opinion,

805
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,760
and it's not like you study the NEC after you've

806
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,360
met all these requirements.

807
00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:06,639
Speaker 1: No, that is not true.

808
00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: You need to be interjecting training that's going to teach

809
00:42:11,039 --> 00:42:14,000
you the NEC. Why your hands on, why you're involved

810
00:42:14,039 --> 00:42:15,519
in it, why you're invested in it.

811
00:42:16,159 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: That's the mentality that you have to have now.

812
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,519
Speaker 2: Granted, I would say the vast majority of our students

813
00:42:22,559 --> 00:42:25,239
come to us after they've already accumulated their hours and

814
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,079
now they're just preparing for an exam. But you got

815
00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:30,719
to ask yourself if I just spent five hundred hours

816
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:36,079
in training in eight thousand hours on the job and

817
00:42:36,119 --> 00:42:40,000
you still don't know the NEC, you still don't understand

818
00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:42,199
why you're doing what you're doing. Because everything we do

819
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,400
in a building is based on a code. Everything the

820
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,320
number of services, how high they are, where they're space at,

821
00:42:49,519 --> 00:42:52,639
the size of it, all of it, whether you like

822
00:42:52,679 --> 00:42:57,079
it or not, is all revolved around the code. And

823
00:42:57,119 --> 00:42:59,599
I know people hate to hear that shit. They literally

824
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:02,199
hate it, Like I don't need to know that code.

825
00:43:03,199 --> 00:43:04,159
Speaker 1: Yeah you do, and you do.

826
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 2: You're doing it every day, but you just don't know

827
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,039
why you're doing it. So make life easy for you.

828
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:12,440
One big tip is to get a program like ours

829
00:43:12,599 --> 00:43:16,119
to learn the code while you're doing it. And I

830
00:43:16,159 --> 00:43:19,880
recommend one like ours only because it's written format and

831
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:26,599
not just video only, because videos are easy to forget

832
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:27,679
what you just saw.

833
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,679
Speaker 1: And you think I'll just go back and rewind it.

834
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,840
No you won't. No, you won't. You never go back.

835
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,559
People just don't do it. That's just the nature of people.

836
00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:39,000
You don't think. We don't track this stuff. Y'all know.

837
00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:41,159
Speaker 2: I have fast Tracks Tube, right, I can see the

838
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,280
amount of time that people watch videos. I can see

839
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,000
all that analytic on the back side. We know what

840
00:43:48,039 --> 00:43:51,840
you're gonna do. Okay, been doing this long enough, you're

841
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,440
not gonna do it. Some of you go back and

842
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,280
watch things over again again. I'm not I can't say

843
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,920
I speak for everybody, but the vast majority do not.

844
00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: Okay. So you may be the exception to the rule,

845
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,960
but in general people do not. Okay.

846
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,679
Speaker 2: So this is going to help you when it comes

847
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,599
time to actually peak and take the exam.

848
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: Okay.

849
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 2: Also, just remember that the NEC changes every three years,

850
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,960
so you know, it's always helpful. And when you get license,

851
00:44:21,039 --> 00:44:23,719
you're going to have to take continuing edd classes to

852
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,920
bring it up, bring you up to speed on significant changes.

853
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,199
And that's typically people ask, for example, is your fast

854
00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:31,960
tracks program good for continuing education credits? And it's not

855
00:44:32,639 --> 00:44:36,079
because it's not designed to teach you what's changed. And

856
00:44:36,199 --> 00:44:40,880
usually those continuing educations are designed to show you what

857
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,639
the changes are, not to reteach you the code, not

858
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,000
to take care of what you should already know, but

859
00:44:47,199 --> 00:44:51,119
what has changed that type of thing. And it's what

860
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:56,599
separates a wire puller from a professional electrician. That's the

861
00:44:56,639 --> 00:45:00,239
difference how you learn, how you dedicate your time, how

862
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,480
you study, how you make a commitment to the trade

863
00:45:02,519 --> 00:45:07,000
that type of thing. So hopefully that's been easier for

864
00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:09,760
you to understand that anybody out there who gets into

865
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,039
this trade, it's an amazing trade, but you have to

866
00:45:13,079 --> 00:45:15,320
start out and understand the path that you need. What

867
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,280
are the hours you need, what your state requires, things

868
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:23,599
like that. First, then you set your roadmap. Then you

869
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:28,360
focus on finding a training program, and in that program

870
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,639
you'll get your hours. But also those programs will also

871
00:45:31,679 --> 00:45:34,039
give you credit for hands on stuff they do in

872
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:36,800
workshops and things like that. And also when you're in

873
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,480
a program like that, you also want to find a job,

874
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,800
whether you're taking a helper job, on an apprentice job.

875
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: Whatever.

876
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,159
Speaker 2: You might say, well, I can't afford it, dude, It

877
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,880
does not make any sense for you to be in

878
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:52,800
an electrical vocational program trying to get hours and you're

879
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,679
not out there. Whether it's in the evenings or maybe

880
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,320
you go to school in the night and you work

881
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,199
in the day. You need to be working in the

882
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,880
trade because simultaneously you need to be getting those hands

883
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,719
on hours. Otherwise you're just behind the curve.

884
00:46:05,679 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 1: I can't afford that. I you know they don't make enough.

885
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: Well, sorry, sorry, it is what it is. You're gonna

886
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,440
have to eat baloney for a while before you eat steak.

887
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:19,679
Speaker 1: You can.

888
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,599
Speaker 2: You like that or not, but you're gonna have a

889
00:46:21,639 --> 00:46:23,800
struggle if you get in the hours in vocational school,

890
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,199
yet you don't have the hands on hours because you're

891
00:46:26,199 --> 00:46:27,480
working at Tasty Freeze.

892
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,599
Speaker 1: And that is not specific to the electrical trade.

893
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 2: I get it. I'm not talking about a part time job.

894
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,159
You gotta pay ends meet, you know, that type of thing.

895
00:46:36,599 --> 00:46:39,079
I get it. But you need to be focusing on

896
00:46:39,199 --> 00:46:41,360
where you're gonna get your hands on. Also, you can

897
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,559
do all this within the States requirements at the shortest

898
00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:45,920
amount of time possible.

899
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,519
Speaker 1: That's what we're talking about. Okay, all right, So there

900
00:46:50,559 --> 00:46:50,960
you have it.

901
00:46:51,079 --> 00:46:54,159
Speaker 2: The top kind of kind of five things to do

902
00:46:54,199 --> 00:46:58,280
when you want to become a licensed electrician. And if

903
00:46:58,320 --> 00:46:59,920
you're listening right now and you've been on the FEN

904
00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:02,679
some whether you don't want to, you know, become an electrician.

905
00:47:02,679 --> 00:47:04,079
Speaker 1: You're in some dead end job.

906
00:47:04,119 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 2: You're thinking, dude, I want something that's going to grow

907
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,440
and we're always going to need electricians.

908
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,559
Speaker 1: You know, AI is not going to take this. Okay.

909
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,639
Speaker 2: The electrical trade is one of the most rewarding careers

910
00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:16,880
out there. You can earn while you learn. Okay, you

911
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,719
don't need a college degree. You get to use your hands.

912
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,199
You get to make things better, you protect people, you

913
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:29,719
make things safer. You learn an amazing skill. Okay, and again,

914
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,119
you want to learn the NEC. Our fast tracks programs

915
00:47:33,159 --> 00:47:35,199
can teach you the National Electrical Code, which you should

916
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,480
be learning parallel with your hands on. This is the

917
00:47:37,519 --> 00:47:41,679
mental part while you're learning the physical part, and that'll

918
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,719
keep you on track to get your license. But don't

919
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,880
think it's an overnight success. It doesn't matter whether it's plumbing, mechanical, building,

920
00:47:48,039 --> 00:47:52,800
or electrical. You cannot do something for one year and think, dude,

921
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,079
I'm going to open my own business.

922
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: I can think more money than that builder.

923
00:47:56,199 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 2: That is not the mentality you need to be in

924
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:03,199
it for the long haul, Okay, just got to focus

925
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,039
and stay on the course, in the path, put in

926
00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:08,559
the time. But you need to know how much time

927
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,719
you need to know, and that's why you go to

928
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,079
your state first and you find out what the roadmap is,

929
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,320
and then you tailor the next couple of years towards

930
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:20,079
that roadmap.

931
00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: That's the secret to success.

932
00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 2: All right, folks, all right, folks, till next time, Stay safe,

933
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,719
God bless we'll catch you on an upcoming episode of

934
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,360
Let's Ask Paul. But that answers the question, how do

935
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,679
I get started in an electrical trade? You start at

936
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,760
the bottom, you work your way to the top, and

937
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:35,760
that's just how you do it.

938
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: Peace.

939
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,559
Speaker 2: Oh no, no,