Speaker 1: You are listening to Video Games to the Max. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to another edition of Video Games to the
Speaker 1: Maxes Episode four hundred and fifteen. I'm your host, Sean
Speaker 1: Garmer here with me as you was so, mister Mark Morrison,
Speaker 1: And well, if you didn't know, I'm sure I'm sure
Speaker 1: everybody knows by now. The PS five Pro is actually
Speaker 1: a thing, and it's reel. They revealed it along with
Speaker 1: its incredible price of seven hundred dollars and even more
Speaker 1: increase in price in other regions. We'll talk about that.
Speaker 1: Is it worth it? Is it worth what they got
Speaker 1: in the box. We've also both finished Astrobot Matt Marcus
Speaker 1: Platten the game, so got plenty to say now that
Speaker 1: we're both done with it, or well, I've still got
Speaker 1: some things to pick up. I'm pretty much done with
Speaker 1: it now. Mark has already done a review. Actually I
Speaker 1: still got to write mine. So there's that. We got
Speaker 1: some some other things, some surprising things like and Apurna
Speaker 1: Interactive's whole gaming division just decide to re just quit
Speaker 1: all of a sudden off over some issues. We'll get
Speaker 1: into that. We got some issue with Xbox laying off
Speaker 1: more people, and also some now we know what game
Speaker 1: pass standard actually is. We'll get into that and much more.
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Speaker 1: last week. Let's start with the big news here. PS
Speaker 1: five Pro was basically revealed the next day after we
Speaker 1: did the podcast last week, so it was kind of
Speaker 1: like we did the predictions. I think I said it
Speaker 1: would wind up being what everybody predicted, which is the
Speaker 1: six ninety nine, and it was what do you think
Speaker 1: about the nine minute presentation that they had Mark Sony Show,
Speaker 1: which he started off by saying basically what the PS
Speaker 1: five is. Then he kind of went into what the
Speaker 1: big three he called it that they added with the
Speaker 1: PS five Pro which is bigger GP you, which makes
Speaker 1: it to where it can render games forty five percent faster.
Speaker 1: Obviously that would mean that loading is faster all of that. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's the the pss pss R that we heard so
Speaker 1: much about several times. That's basically PlayStations proprietary AI upscaling
Speaker 1: very much like the Nvidia version of that or and
Speaker 1: d FSR version of that, but possibly even better. And
Speaker 1: you also have the the game boost that's being at
Speaker 1: it with that, which it's not exactly like the Xbox thing,
Speaker 1: but it's similar.
Speaker 2: I guess it's like the old it's like the old
Speaker 2: PS four pro thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so more for the so where it can
Speaker 1: add stabilized frame rate or improve the frame rate if
Speaker 1: it's unlocked, I think though, but they have to unlock it,
Speaker 1: so like I guess Bloodburne winds stop being thirty fps.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the rates tied to the physics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the frame rates tied to the actual game. So
Speaker 1: like they can it unless you know, from Soft goes
Speaker 1: in there and and changes it or unlocks it or
Speaker 1: was they probably won't, but uh, you know that's uh,
Speaker 1: that's part of it. They and he also thought about
Speaker 1: advanced ray racing as well, which is going to make
Speaker 1: it to where it doubles or triples the speed of
Speaker 1: the ray tracing in the console. Uh. They also showed
Speaker 1: off a bunch of games, which included and Rebirth. Last
Speaker 1: of Us Part two kept being showing the remake Ratchet
Speaker 1: and Clank, but used a lot for that. Spider Man.
Speaker 2: Got used when finally ugly Rebirth game. Huh.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That and they also had I think c net
Speaker 1: was the only one that had somebody go out and
Speaker 1: actually be able to test it. They have like a
Speaker 1: six minute video on their channel where the guy talks
Speaker 1: about it and he does mention that and Rebirth is
Speaker 1: actually like the one game. It's kind of like night
Speaker 1: and day difference, mainly because Perman's mom was so bad
Speaker 1: with that game that like having a stable frame right
Speaker 1: now at sixty fps body makes that game tremendously better
Speaker 1: if you played it on performance move. But of course
Speaker 1: at the end, they kind of just show a bunch
Speaker 1: of stuff. They're really quick showing all the games. I
Speaker 1: think there's like twenty games or something like that that's
Speaker 1: going to be like pre launched, and they have a
Speaker 1: list we'll go through it of what's going to be
Speaker 1: getting the all the PSI pro treatment. And then they
Speaker 1: showed the price right, which is kind of like they did,
Speaker 1: almost like in a silence because they know everybody felt
Speaker 1: like they know that everybody's going to be shocked about
Speaker 1: this seven hundred dollars US and in the UK eight
Speaker 1: hundred for euros and then twelve thousand and two h
Speaker 1: for Japan in the end obviously.
Speaker 2: The end, yeah, is bad.
Speaker 1: So I think Australia also has about that price as well.
Speaker 1: So and then they revealed later off camera that you
Speaker 1: have to pay eighty bucks extra for the disk drive
Speaker 1: if you want a disc drive in your PS five
Speaker 1: Pro because this doesn't come with it disc and if
Speaker 1: you want go ahead, sorry.
Speaker 2: No you go.
Speaker 1: And if I don't know if this means they don't
Speaker 1: have a stand at all, because they did have this
Speaker 1: little plastic stand which is what I used to my
Speaker 1: PS five right now because mine's behind my TV. I
Speaker 1: cannot have it laying down. If you have to buy
Speaker 1: a vertical sand it costs thirty dollars extra. So what
Speaker 1: do you think about all the stuff the whole reveal,
Speaker 1: And then now that we've had a whole week to
Speaker 1: sit on it, everybody right about being mad about the price,
Speaker 1: So you think it's.
Speaker 3: Just now the price is bad. My it's I don't
Speaker 3: care about the price because I wasn't gonna go on anyway.
Speaker 3: My point, my feeling is like games, most games aren't
Speaker 3: even utilizing the PS five power anyway, so them throwing
Speaker 3: more horse power at it, You're like, it's not going
Speaker 3: to like make games better or you know, it'll just
Speaker 3: make like the super obnoxious like Digital Foundry, no offense
Speaker 3: to them nerds you know care about you know, oh
Speaker 3: this one texture is bad, or you know it's it's
Speaker 3: slightly more alias here than or anti alias and the
Speaker 3: pro than on the PS five you know baseline model.
Speaker 1: Like, so you think it's more of a like a
Speaker 1: when you do an upgrade with your PC, where you're
Speaker 1: just trying to throw something new at it to see
Speaker 1: if it makes your game look better.
Speaker 3: I mean with a PC that are more tangible benefits
Speaker 3: to it at least, like and it also not I
Speaker 3: mean if you already have a gaming you know GPU,
Speaker 3: like a you know, a thirty even like at twenty
Speaker 3: seventy or something like that still is plenty powerful, like
Speaker 3: and you can still run most games. You know, it
Speaker 3: may not be four K or whatever, but hey, it'll
Speaker 3: run ten eighty just fine, Like I think gaming nerds,
Speaker 3: or PC nerds in particular, are So I'm not like
Speaker 3: obsessed with like, oh I'm running at four K with
Speaker 3: you know deal ss on and ray tracing and this,
Speaker 3: you know four hundred hurts you know screen and all
Speaker 3: the those stupid craft that's say, okay, but how is
Speaker 3: this actually making the game better you know, or like
Speaker 3: more you know, more innovative or that's my problem really
Speaker 3: is like they they equate power as like a graphical
Speaker 3: fidelity as like an innovation, and it's like, yo, dog,
Speaker 3: it's not like you can make the most beautiful looking
Speaker 3: game ever. But if it's not fun to play, who cares?
Speaker 3: I mean, if that's the If that's the case, why
Speaker 3: don't just start selling three D H three D mark
Speaker 3: you know, benchmark tests and going like, here's a game.
Speaker 3: You can't make me play it, but hey it'll look nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think I'm in a little bit of a different.
Speaker 3: Both id I did see kind of partially, I don't know, Well,
Speaker 3: you were talking about like either getting this thing or
Speaker 3: a new or like a new gaming laptop or gaming
Speaker 3: pcing right, and it's a well, first of all, like
Speaker 3: you know, they lied about eight K gaming on the
Speaker 3: original PS five, like they had to take that little
Speaker 3: sticker off because no game actually ever does it well.
Speaker 1: And then also if they do AK gaming, the quality
Speaker 1: of the images go down a ton because look, I
Speaker 1: think I saw Alan Wake two runs of like eight
Speaker 1: sixty four p or something to be able to do
Speaker 1: the sixty frames and something.
Speaker 3: Of all, who actually has an AK TV The cheaper
Speaker 3: the cheapest one I found on like eBay or I
Speaker 3: mean best Buy, I was like two thousand dollars, and
Speaker 3: it's like these things aren't going to be three hundred
Speaker 3: dollars by next year, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh no? And I mean, honestly, the AK thing
Speaker 1: is you don't need that. Maybe not even not even
Speaker 1: when we get to the PS six, which we have
Speaker 1: a little bit of news on that, will that be
Speaker 1: a thing? I think, I mean, ultimately a K might
Speaker 1: be something, But honestly, the thing that's gonna move the
Speaker 1: needle is if you don't ever have TV get anything
Speaker 1: close to a K, nobody's gonna buy an AK TV.
Speaker 1: So if most people people are not gonna buy AK
Speaker 1: TV just to watch movies in AK, they're not unless
Speaker 1: you're unless you're gonna put yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3: They aren't even AK movies out, I mean four K.
Speaker 3: You know there might feel like Netflix might have like
Speaker 3: one or two eight K streams or something, but they're
Speaker 3: not like a K discs and there's no eight K player.
Speaker 1: I don't, no, that's true. But what I'm saying is like,
Speaker 1: if you're not gonna be able to watch most of
Speaker 1: the things that you would watch on TV and a K,
Speaker 1: people are not gonna buy a four K TV or
Speaker 1: it's hard to get you. It's it's now it's easier
Speaker 1: to justify people getting a four K TV because they're
Speaker 1: just so much so cheaper. Now there's so much cheaper,
Speaker 1: Like you can get that like even the upscale four K.
Speaker 2: Right for two hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: If not Yeah, but AK AK that's ridiculous, Like there's
Speaker 1: nothing that really want that even and even in four
Speaker 1: years there probably still won't be, yeah, because you have
Speaker 1: to be able to get streaming to work in AK
Speaker 1: and no. God, yeah, let's see that works.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I think for me, my my thing was the reason
Speaker 1: why I said that is because of the price, right
Speaker 1: of like if I really wanted to, I could go
Speaker 1: trade in my PS five right and right now, Well,
Speaker 1: actually this was this weekend. I don't even know. Let
Speaker 1: me while we're sitting here talking. This weekend, game Stop
Speaker 1: was basically getting anybody that they possibly could. If you
Speaker 1: wanted to go trade in your PlayStation five, you could
Speaker 1: get four hundred and ten dollars for And that's for
Speaker 1: the disc one. I think if you got if it's
Speaker 1: a digital one, it's three hundred, which okay, smart by
Speaker 1: game Stop, right, But I don't. I think when we
Speaker 1: get to closer to when the game actually the system, sorry,
Speaker 1: when the system actually releases, they're not going to be
Speaker 1: giving you that much money for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now they know you're going to be desperate to give
Speaker 1: it away.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now it's three hundred and twenty five in store credit.
Speaker 1: Yeah who knows that means probably like two seventy five
Speaker 1: in cash, but oh wow. Yeah. So if you if
Speaker 1: you pre ordered it somewhere else and you're just going
Speaker 1: to game Stop to get money for it, you're gonna
Speaker 1: be two hundred bucks, which I mean two hundred bucks
Speaker 1: off of seven hundred our console is still something, but
Speaker 1: still again, this is why, like I think, when you
Speaker 1: look at what's in this system and when the scene
Speaker 1: guy was saying that I don't don't I'm gonna say personally,
Speaker 1: for me, I'm overdue to go to the the optometrist
Speaker 1: and get new glasses. I've had these lasts for four years,
Speaker 1: so probably for me, when I put the new glasses on,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see a lot of things that I didn't
Speaker 1: see before, a lot more clearly. And he said that
Speaker 1: basically putting on a playing something between a PS five
Speaker 1: and a PS five pro is like putting on a
Speaker 1: new pair of losses. You're gonna see things a lot clearer,
Speaker 1: but it's really not making a huge difference to what
Speaker 1: you're playing. And sure, if you like performance mode, which
Speaker 1: Mark Zoney did point out that three out of four
Speaker 1: people will do performance mode over quality, which fine, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: But also because a lot of people don't have four KTVs,
Speaker 1: so a lot of it's ten ADP sixty or fourteen
Speaker 1: forty sixty. So if you don't have four KTV that
Speaker 1: that sixty helps lost the performance mode. People care a
Speaker 1: lot about that, having the faster frames and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: and that's that's great. I'm glad that they're but this
Speaker 1: I don't think unless you really really need it, you
Speaker 1: need to be concerning yourself with going and buying the
Speaker 1: PS five pro. I just don't think you.
Speaker 3: Do, Avin Yanzo's I mean he was talking because I mean,
Speaker 3: here has the money to buy it obviously, right, And
Speaker 3: I mentioned like, oh, you know that you have to
Speaker 3: the discrive is eighty bucks, and he like, you didn't
Speaker 3: really know what it meant. But then like last night
Speaker 3: he was ranking about it a little. He's like, wait,
Speaker 3: it's like buy it separately, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, get a bolted on the bottom, and I
Speaker 3: think it's the same disk drive as like the slim model.
Speaker 3: Yes it is, so I mean I guess that's something.
Speaker 3: But the fact that the scand is like, you know,
Speaker 3: a thirty dollars but now.
Speaker 1: It's sold out, so like go try to buy it
Speaker 1: and you gotta pay like four hundred dollars extra for more.
Speaker 3: For that, right, But yeah, the you know, even the
Speaker 3: scan being like thirty bucks extra, which you know, hey,
Speaker 3: my PS five came came with a decent scand already.
Speaker 1: So yeah, see that's my thing is if they if
Speaker 1: they come out with with this one also has that
Speaker 1: little cheap stand that makes it for my PS five
Speaker 1: ro would it fall down. I don't need that stand.
Speaker 1: But if you're gonna tell me that y'all made it
Speaker 1: to where you have to use that vertical stand, that's
Speaker 1: a bunch of bull. To charge people thirty dollars for that.
Speaker 1: You could have easily ate the cost of that.
Speaker 2: It's not gotten news for you. You know, like that's
Speaker 2: exactly what they're gonna do.
Speaker 1: Well, no, I know what you're saying. I mean, they're
Speaker 1: not gonna promote that and put vertical stands sote belie.
Speaker 1: If they're including a stand, it's pretty much them saying,
Speaker 1: if you want your PS five to stand up, which
Speaker 1: a lot of people, including myself, your setup is, you
Speaker 1: have to make it stand right. Then you know, you're
Speaker 1: you're basically telling people, oh, you got to pay a
Speaker 1: premium for this if you want the same setup you
Speaker 1: did have. And then, you know, I think most people
Speaker 1: at that point you're you're gonna trade in your PS
Speaker 1: five because unless you have a kid or certifican other
Speaker 1: or somebody else to give it to, why are you
Speaker 1: gonna sit there and have a PS five or if
Speaker 1: you have what's supposed to be the better version of it, right,
Speaker 1: so you'll save a little bit of money there. But
Speaker 1: I just don't think that in the long run, this
Speaker 1: thing really is worth you going out of your way
Speaker 1: to make sure you get it on day one because
Speaker 1: they're not going to have anything amazing that you need
Speaker 1: to go play with it. It's games that have already
Speaker 1: been out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the same problem as you know the PS
Speaker 3: four Pro and also like them go. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 3: you can play Ratchet and Clank better. It's like great,
Speaker 3: that's a three year old game.
Speaker 1: The things that they showed also that, for one, the
Speaker 1: presentation was terrible because it's like, well, how am I
Speaker 1: going to see the things that you want me to see?
Speaker 1: Not only do you have the problem with the YouTube
Speaker 1: compression that mean bad. Most people are watching on their phone.
Speaker 1: I watched it again on my my four k lgol it.
Speaker 1: It looks better than on my phone obviously, but I'm
Speaker 1: still having to sit there and watch these things on
Speaker 1: a small little picture and picture that you're showing me, right,
Speaker 1: because I don't know. I get it that you want
Speaker 1: to show the side by side, but it's not really
Speaker 1: telling me what am I really getting with it? Oh
Speaker 1: look at the crowd distance. Now I see more crowd
Speaker 1: when I play rights and crank. Now I see more
Speaker 1: draw a distance with Spider Man that the trees don't
Speaker 1: look as bad. It's like, and you're gonna tell me
Speaker 1: that that's one hundred dollars more.
Speaker 3: Well, it's like, if you're that obsessed with that crap,
Speaker 3: buy a PC and then you know, I spend three thousand,
Speaker 3: okay eight video cards and you know, go out.
Speaker 1: That's where I do agree with people. You're not going
Speaker 1: to You're not going to find a PC for seven
Speaker 1: hundred dollars that's going to do what the pside pro did,
Speaker 1: especially because apparently has already an A four and all
Speaker 1: this stuff in it. But if you care about that
Speaker 1: stuff and you're a Sony only gamer, then okay, you
Speaker 1: make that decision. But this is also so many telling you. Look,
Speaker 1: you went and bought all the other stuff that everybody
Speaker 1: said was useless, right, Oh the portal. Everybody was talking
Speaker 1: shit about that thing, and that thing sold like crazy
Speaker 1: right when it came out.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this thing will sell, it'll sell out.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying people that are complaining about the price,
Speaker 1: that's also they do that because you bought all those
Speaker 1: things that you said you weren't gonna buy, So they're
Speaker 1: just looking at you and going, oh, yeah, whatever, you're
Speaker 1: telling me you're not gonna buy this, And then here
Speaker 1: you are pre ordering a day one. So you know
Speaker 1: that's partially partial part of its inflation, right. Part of
Speaker 1: it is could they have made an extra scut without
Speaker 1: a two terribied drive? Sure, that's something I thought about,
Speaker 1: like why did you have to put a two terribied
Speaker 1: drive in here?
Speaker 2: Like games like Call of Duty take up gigabytes.
Speaker 1: I know, but I'm just saying, like, you know, that's
Speaker 1: gonna cost you one hundred dollars because even if you
Speaker 1: buy one off not off the PlayStation store, that one
Speaker 1: costs like one hundred and thirty dollars. But even if
Speaker 1: you buy one that's like mid range or whatever, it's
Speaker 1: so eighty bucks, right, So the price that they're charging
Speaker 1: for the two terabyte drive is not really out of
Speaker 1: the realm to charge one hundred dollars for that, But
Speaker 1: then you're charging another one hundred. This is this is
Speaker 1: the digital PS five by the way, not the disc one,
Speaker 1: because then you're you're paying eighty bucks more for the
Speaker 1: disk drive thing, but just including the digit let's say
Speaker 1: you had a digital PS five right now, that three
Speaker 1: hundred dollars. That's how they're justifying it, is like anywhere
Speaker 1: from fifty to one hundred dollars for inflation. The rest
Speaker 1: of it is the tech, and then at least one
Speaker 1: hundred dollars of that is the dry the two terabytes.
Speaker 1: So it's like they could have found ways to shave
Speaker 1: money off of this, But because they know that they're
Speaker 1: sequel that are going to complain and then turn around
Speaker 1: and buy the thing, they were just out here going, well,
Speaker 1: you know what, this is not necessary. It's a premium product.
Speaker 1: You want to go buy it. You want to have
Speaker 1: the best thing we possibly put out, then go ahead
Speaker 1: buy it.
Speaker 2: You know, well the best way we have to put
Speaker 2: out for three more years and three to four more
Speaker 2: years the PS six comes out.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, that's true too till the PS six comes up.
Speaker 1: But I mean, and they already mentioned they made a
Speaker 1: deal with AMD today about that. Apparently AMD is going
Speaker 1: to be the one making the the GPU and all
Speaker 1: that for the PlayStation six, which apparently is a big
Speaker 1: deal because of backwards probability, they wanted to make sure
Speaker 1: that that was going to be no issues between you know,
Speaker 1: PS four, PS five and now PS six being able
Speaker 1: to work with that, which is good on Sonya or whatever.
Speaker 1: But obviously pr hit is positive, so that's good. But
Speaker 1: we're still years off for the PlayStation six. But I
Speaker 1: don't know. It was something I was considering because I
Speaker 1: had the TV that would actually support like letting me
Speaker 1: see what all this awesomeness is. If I hadn't have
Speaker 1: played Rebirth before, maybe would have pushed me a little
Speaker 1: bit more because you know, oh, now I get the
Speaker 1: best version of Reworth, but I already played that game.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I want to go back. I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe I will go back at some point and experience it,
Speaker 1: but not right now, you know, or re experience it
Speaker 1: or whatever. But it's like, one game that's already been
Speaker 1: out is not going to make me want to go
Speaker 1: and spend seven hundred dollars on this thing. Even if
Speaker 1: I'm doing the Firm or the Clarina thing where I'm
Speaker 1: making myself pay less for it up front, I'm still
Speaker 1: paying seven hundred dollars ultimately for that. And you know, okay,
Speaker 1: even if I trade it in my PS five, Look,
Speaker 1: it's already at what do we talk. What do we
Speaker 1: say right now to twenty cash three hundred something.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, credit, So it's still a lot.
Speaker 1: It's still a lot to put towards that if you
Speaker 1: want to. But also, the first two weeks the pre
Speaker 1: orders is going to be on PS direct only, so
Speaker 1: you're you're having to get good luck with pre ordering
Speaker 1: over there, and then you're not going to be able
Speaker 1: to do store credit. You're gonna have to do cash
Speaker 1: to get any kind of money back to put towards whatever,
Speaker 1: to pay yourself back for the purpose, you have to
Speaker 1: make up front on the PS Direct. So and then
Speaker 1: if you buy I mean, I'm sure they'll put it
Speaker 1: on Amazon or whatever, which one of those. Okay, sure
Speaker 1: you get the time. But yeah, I think honestly, the
Speaker 1: people that live outside of the United States, I think
Speaker 1: they have a much bigger bone to pick here. You're
Speaker 1: talking about nine hundred dollars or nine hundred euros the
Speaker 1: UK government. It's like a two to one, so you're
Speaker 1: really not paying eight hundred pounds for that, you're paying
Speaker 1: more Canada. All these people, all the people in other regions,
Speaker 1: really do have a bone to pick with the price,
Speaker 1: and however priced it is, and everything else. But I
Speaker 1: think for the US it's technically not overpriced for what
Speaker 1: it is for the what's in the box and what
Speaker 1: they put in it. I think the disk drive thing
Speaker 1: just kind of tells you that's probably how they're going
Speaker 1: to sell you the PS six too. The drive will
Speaker 1: be detached. You go buy your own dish shot if
Speaker 1: you want it, because in four years, if you have
Speaker 1: whatever the percentage is, I think it's like over eighty
Speaker 1: percent of people that are buying discless. Now, imagine what
Speaker 1: that's going to be in four years, right, It's going
Speaker 1: to be more so, uh yeah, imagine that. Do you
Speaker 1: worry about what this means? For for sure? Next gen
Speaker 1: is going to be seven hundred dollars base now, regardless
Speaker 1: of how this sells.
Speaker 3: Now, because you look at look at the PS three,
Speaker 3: the PS four. You know that the launch model PS
Speaker 3: three was you know, six hundred, you know, a good one, right,
Speaker 3: and then when the PS four came out, I think
Speaker 3: was wasn't it four hundred?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So yeah, because xbos came out five hundred and
Speaker 1: they slashed it and said out it was for him.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, So I imagine the PS I it would actually
Speaker 3: be kind of cool. If the PS six comes out,
Speaker 3: they're like at six hundred dollars and then they can
Speaker 3: have like the P like the money sign and then
Speaker 3: six hundred.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I definitely think that six hundred would probably
Speaker 1: be where they're at with that because you don't have
Speaker 1: to put a two terrabyted drive in the console.
Speaker 2: I think you do, it'll be cheaper.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't know if they'll come standard with it.
Speaker 1: I think they'll come out with a one terribid drive
Speaker 1: so they can have the two skews. Maybe they'll do
Speaker 1: the two terabyte with a disk drive or whatever and say, Okay,
Speaker 1: if you want everything the total premium package, here's this
Speaker 1: for like eight hundred or something, or here's the seven
Speaker 1: fifty one whatever, you know, because look, they did this.
Speaker 1: They did it this time with the four hundred dollars
Speaker 1: digital only and then the five hundred RPS five that
Speaker 1: had everything. So I think we're probably gonna see something
Speaker 1: like that for next gen as well. I will say,
Speaker 1: on the Xbox side of things, I think we kind
Speaker 1: of know why they chose not to do the mid
Speaker 1: gen refresh for that because if you look at what
Speaker 1: they probably would have had to sell the Xbox at
Speaker 1: the same price. Maybe you don't do the tear with
Speaker 1: twear broad drive at that point. But I think if
Speaker 1: you're selling a regular series xperis you tear bride drive
Speaker 1: for six hundred, then you would have had to do
Speaker 1: the same for any kind of mid gen refresh that
Speaker 1: you do on the Xbox side of things. But I mean,
Speaker 1: people at the right people are buying their consoles. Now,
Speaker 1: can you imagine the craft that would have happened if
Speaker 1: they do a mid geen refresh and nobody buys that
Speaker 1: even less? So yeah, yeah, I think overall they said
Speaker 1: there was an analyst saying, I think Matt Pescatella and
Speaker 1: others said that PS four pro kind of for like
Speaker 1: fifteen percent PS five of the PS four overall sales.
Speaker 1: This is probably where that's going to land to. So
Speaker 1: it's not going to be everybody's not going to go
Speaker 1: out and rush and buy this thing. Do you think
Speaker 1: that this maybe prohibits people that still haven't bought a
Speaker 1: PS five from jumping in.
Speaker 2: Like because the current PS five will be cheaper, so they'll.
Speaker 1: Be will it'll be cheaper, it'll be cheaper than that,
Speaker 1: But it's not gone down in price. It will you think,
Speaker 1: so how long? Because we're already talking about.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean think about think about your your earlier case.
Speaker 3: Like you know you can only get two twenty from
Speaker 3: game stop, but if you threw the thing upon your
Speaker 3: like the current PS five, but if you threw the
Speaker 3: thing up on Facebook marketplace and say, hey PS five
Speaker 3: two hundred bucks, it'll sell within a day. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: you know used US stores are still sell on the
Speaker 3: PS five. Do you talk your like the box for yours?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I don't, Okay, I still do.
Speaker 3: So I saw a U store sell PS five today
Speaker 3: for four to four or they put it up on
Speaker 3: sale for four forty.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean Sony themselves are selling refurbished yes fives.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they want you to basically go buy it
Speaker 1: from them. Don't go buy it from GameStop or whatever.
Speaker 1: You get a one year warranty and everything you buy
Speaker 1: from US. I think the what was it, the PS
Speaker 1: five was four hundred and then the digital was thirty fifty,
Speaker 1: So hey, you want to buy refurbished. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's a bad idea from Sony. Again, Sony is trying
Speaker 1: to be They want to be the prestige console. They
Speaker 1: want to be the apple of gaming. They want you
Speaker 1: to come to them for all their don't go to
Speaker 1: these stores, go to go to us directly, you know,
Speaker 1: so I don't blame them. What a way to get
Speaker 1: people to spend more money with you. It's smart on
Speaker 1: their end. But yeah, and really quick, just for people
Speaker 1: that there's only one game that has not released yet,
Speaker 1: which is Assassin's Creed Shadows that will have PS five
Speaker 1: pro enhancements when it releases. Everything else is a game
Speaker 1: from either last year further away than that, or this year.
Speaker 1: So Alan Wake two, Demon Soul's Dragon, Dragon's I'm A
Speaker 1: Two Final Fantasies Have and Rebirth grandtsed his most seven
Speaker 1: hard Wart's Legacy, which that one was funny to me
Speaker 1: because like, why are you showing a game that's winning
Speaker 1: at thirty a f PS horizon for in West, Marvel's
Speaker 1: Part Man two, Rastering, clangw Apart, the Crew, Motorfest, and
Speaker 1: the First Descendant and Last was Part two and Part
Speaker 1: one they confirmed also, so yeah, I guess that's cool
Speaker 1: that all of your big first party is Sony. Most
Speaker 1: of your big first party Sony games will be available
Speaker 1: with PS four PRES five pro at launch. I'm sure
Speaker 1: this will sell out, whether it's scalpers, whether it's people
Speaker 1: that actually want it, whether it's a mixture of both. Uh,
Speaker 1: probably less scalpers this time, because that's a big price
Speaker 1: point to try to oversell that thing at already. Right,
Speaker 1: But we'll see, we'll see if a lot of the
Speaker 1: people that went I'm not buying this thing wind up
Speaker 1: actually buying it or not. My thing with what you
Speaker 1: mentioned at the beginning, where I the whole thing about
Speaker 1: all it is because this laptop is really old. I
Speaker 1: do need a new laptop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it always seems like you have a problem with
Speaker 2: that laptop too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so like I don't really do a lot
Speaker 1: of gaming on the PCs is not only for that.
Speaker 1: It's more of like, Okay, if I wanted to get
Speaker 1: a decent laptop, even where I know it'll be good
Speaker 1: for a while, it'll still cost at least with the
Speaker 1: PSI procoules, and it's like I can't. And then also
Speaker 1: the Twitch two is not too far away also, so
Speaker 1: it's like you got to start thinking about that, so
Speaker 1: you know, make your decision wherever you want to make it.
Speaker 1: But I think hating on people that want to buy
Speaker 1: the thing is also not helping anyone, and it just
Speaker 1: makes you look like a total asshole. So you know,
Speaker 1: do what you do, folks. But moving on from Sony
Speaker 1: and will they won't they with the PSCIB pro and
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do. I already mentioned that they made
Speaker 1: that deal with AMD, gave you the game apparently going
Speaker 1: to enhance PSBR two games for anybody that still cares
Speaker 1: about that. Really quick here to Microsoft, unfortunately, and very sucks,
Speaker 1: absolutely stucks to hear this and have to talk about
Speaker 1: this again. But once again Microsoft is cutting six hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty jobs from Xbox. Most of it I think
Speaker 1: is from Activision Blizzard in corporate roles and support roles,
Speaker 1: not like gaming direct roles. But still sucks that again
Speaker 1: we had this merger you talked about not laying people off. Understandably,
Speaker 1: this is just kind of the way that the industry
Speaker 1: is working. I think I saw something where I saw
Speaker 1: this week that they were looking at like in this
Speaker 1: jobs in tech journalism and like other kind of fields
Speaker 1: that are adjacent are really bad, but gaming was so
Speaker 1: far the worst of all of them. That like this
Speaker 1: is significant. Is what is happening? Like people there is
Speaker 1: really a big purse going on because of the heights
Speaker 1: of the pandemic and then everybody cutting back and things
Speaker 1: not selling as much as you think they would have
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. But again, this means twenty five
Speaker 1: hundred jobs now lost from Microsoft after the merger with
Speaker 1: Activision Blizzard to buy out. They are all that whatever
Speaker 1: term you want to use, absolutely terrible, just downright awful
Speaker 1: as far for all these people that were damn affected.
Speaker 1: Shouldn't have gone down like that either way. The thing
Speaker 1: is that sucks. And the only other thing that kind
Speaker 1: of sucks for everybody that got dropped into that game
Speaker 1: Pass standard tier is the whole they removed. So not
Speaker 1: only did they just okay, tell you, okay, you got
Speaker 1: to go back down. You don't get any day one game,
Speaker 1: they removed forty one games that you had access to previously. Yeah,
Speaker 1: including you know, anything that came out this year to
Speaker 1: force you to go over, right, that's kind of shitty. Uh,
Speaker 1: not gonna lie, that's that's pretty shitty.
Speaker 3: That that's Microsoft's that's a new Xbox slogan.
Speaker 1: But no, it's it's absolutely freaking sucks because you know,
Speaker 1: like it's one of these things where okay, you tell
Speaker 1: everybody from this point forward, nothing that comes out is
Speaker 1: going to be on there. But then it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you even tell somebody that you made it retroactive as well, right,
Speaker 1: and it's like, I think you could have put those
Speaker 1: details in right now. It's almost like, we know, we
Speaker 1: don't have anything to force you to want to move
Speaker 1: the rest of this year really except for until we
Speaker 1: get the Indiana Jones. So we're gonna remove all those
Speaker 1: like Diablo Fords about to have the the expansion, so
Speaker 1: we're going to remove that, you know, We're gonna remove
Speaker 1: anything that already came out, and then all the other
Speaker 1: like third party stuff as well, and it's just like damn,
Speaker 1: that's just wow. You know, they told you, but they
Speaker 1: they kind of missed out on some information. So right
Speaker 1: now too sucky shitty things from Xbox for this week
Speaker 1: that they they've done to consumers and to their workers unfortunately.
Speaker 1: But they did tell you that it was going to happen.
Speaker 1: They did tell you that you would have to move
Speaker 1: up a tear. They just kind of made it rather
Speaker 1: abrupt and blunt right on that end. So also something
Speaker 1: like didn't expect at all and really sucks because and
Speaker 1: Aprono makes their gaming team, well they do the publishing,
Speaker 1: but they also do some they have they have one
Speaker 1: in house game that they made, but they do publishing,
Speaker 1: and there are great publishing arms. They have indies that
Speaker 1: get made on this with this team that are tremendous.
Speaker 1: And just out of nowhere came the news that apparently
Speaker 1: Ana Purna Pictures was trying to spin off the gaming
Speaker 1: thing into its own independent production company or whatever, and
Speaker 1: that didn't come to fruition. At the eleventh hour, they
Speaker 1: couldn't come to an agreement, and then everybody just walked out.
Speaker 1: They quit, and right now Ana Purna has no gaming
Speaker 1: division at all. They are saying that they're going to
Speaker 1: honor existing contacts to replace everyone, but I imagine that's not
Speaker 1: going to be something you're doing from one day to
Speaker 1: the next, right, Like this is a big deal, like
Speaker 1: to have an indie publisher like this, that is we're
Speaker 1: talking about like up there with the vulgar as far
Speaker 1: as like putting out premium products for indies just vanishing
Speaker 1: overnight like that.
Speaker 3: What do you think when you well, I'm not I've
Speaker 3: actually I don't think i've ever played one of their games. Uh,
Speaker 3: at least off the top of my head. But my
Speaker 3: thought is it's a vote of confidence for the CEO
Speaker 3: or you know, the leadership that the whole team walked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, supposedly the Alan Way can control thing that's with
Speaker 1: anapron the pictures, So that doesn't have anything to do
Speaker 1: with what happened here. But I thought, you've played Stray. Nope,
Speaker 1: you have not played Stray. Okay, well that was was
Speaker 1: on the Cocoon is also another great one that they
Speaker 1: made out of Wild's tremendous as well, But go ahead.
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, looking at a quick list listed, I played
Speaker 3: Kentucky Red Zero.
Speaker 2: That was kind of one of the earlier games. So yeah,
Speaker 2: and yeah, that's about it.
Speaker 1: Never played at what remains to me the Finch either. Well,
Speaker 1: there you go. I got a list of games, but
Speaker 1: like they just go ahead.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I played Gone Home, but I wasn't then obviously. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean they just revealed that Morsel's game, like you know,
Speaker 1: at at the opening night Lives. So it's like, damn,
Speaker 1: they were just now you know, working on a game
Speaker 1: that was gonna come out la next year. They had
Speaker 1: other games that are supposed to be doing come out
Speaker 1: soon and then it's like that's just gone. So, man,
Speaker 1: sucks for all these people that I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: hopefully they find something better if they all walked out
Speaker 1: on this job. We don't really know obviously, the details
Speaker 1: of what them going independent would have meant. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if that meant that they're gonna not have any
Speaker 1: permits backing after all these contracts are over specifically, but man,
Speaker 1: that's that just sucks that that happened. And and also
Speaker 1: again what this means Forandon Pernam then just saying oh,
Speaker 1: we're going to replace everyone, Like, well, that's going to
Speaker 1: take a while to goo seepule accustomed to what that
Speaker 1: game was and everything else. So I'm sure that's going
Speaker 1: to delay all of this stuff for these games.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh. And a bit of good news industra good news.
Speaker 1: Unity has canceled its run time fee, the one that
Speaker 1: we we talked about. Yeah, last year they were gonna
Speaker 1: start using it, as they did start using it as
Speaker 1: a January first and they're basically they were charging that
Speaker 1: royalty feed based on the number of times the game
Speaker 1: was installed. H Then they walked it back and they
Speaker 1: said that it was going to be over a much
Speaker 1: much bigger amount and basically then CEO Matt Bromberg, which
Speaker 1: just randomly this week decided that we're just not even
Speaker 1: gonna charge this thing because there.
Speaker 3: Was Yeah, because like their business you know, bombed out
Speaker 3: after they announce that stud be crap.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I mean, and they also they gave themselves
Speaker 1: a bad name where thown people like just said, okay,
Speaker 1: we're not even using unity anymore. Uh, We're going to
Speaker 1: purposely remove our game from being on Unity and it
Speaker 1: was already out even right. It's just it was a
Speaker 1: really bad look for them.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: And I guess this is kind of like their last
Speaker 1: ditch effort of like, please come back if you love
Speaker 1: because now we're not even going to charge you this
Speaker 1: feed that we were going to charge, so like the big.
Speaker 2: Right, but no one's still going to come back to it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, it's just a name of tarnish.
Speaker 1: So yeah, probably not. I mean, it's good that they
Speaker 1: walked it back, but they should have walked that back
Speaker 1: a lot sooner.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Way, yeah, like the same thing, the same way you
Speaker 1: walk back some of the other stuff you should have
Speaker 1: walked us back to. Who knows that that's gonna affect
Speaker 1: them ultimately or not. What do you make of this
Speaker 1: Tony Hawk saying he's talking to Activision again?
Speaker 3: You know, it'th anniversary. So you know, if they announced
Speaker 3: Tony Hawk three and four, it'd be cool, or a
Speaker 3: DLC for that game, or even a separate game that'd
Speaker 3: be fine. But probably just make some retrospective video or
Speaker 3: that's about it.
Speaker 1: You would think that. I mean, Microsoft, you're sitting on it, man,
Speaker 1: You're sitting on guaranteed money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I guaranteed big enough money, not.
Speaker 1: Big enough money. It's still money, man.
Speaker 2: And the problem is, I think, actually think the problem
Speaker 2: is is if they didn't want to make that game,
Speaker 2: like you know, DLC or like you know, three and
Speaker 2: four or something, you would have to put it on
Speaker 2: PS five.
Speaker 1: Probably, yeah, for sure, because the other the other ones
Speaker 1: are on PS five, right, which that's not a problem
Speaker 1: for them. I think. Also it's like, okay, are you
Speaker 1: gonna pull people off of pull people that were in
Speaker 1: that Vicarious Visions team and like make a new team
Speaker 1: for this, Like who are you who would you have
Speaker 1: you know, actually bring in to make this game? So
Speaker 1: you know, because parts of that team are all kind
Speaker 1: of spread out there. Most of them are over there
Speaker 1: helping that blizzard. So are you going to bring them
Speaker 1: back into the fold to work on this or are
Speaker 1: you just making a whole new team to do Tony Hawk.
Speaker 1: That's another thing. So, yeah, I wonder on that one.
Speaker 1: I guess let's go into unless you have something else
Speaker 1: you really wanted to talk about in the news, not really, okay,
Speaker 1: so let's go ahead and talk about Astroboll. So you
Speaker 1: reviewed it for full and one. Yeah, you gave it
Speaker 1: an ten.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it kind of off the cuff for the hell
Speaker 2: of it. A few hours to.
Speaker 1: Go, right, Like why not? And then I'm I talked
Speaker 1: to Keith about it. I'm gonna see if I'm gonna
Speaker 1: wind up reviewing it for Outer Haven. That was the plan.
Speaker 1: Nobody else will signed up for it, so I was like,
Speaker 1: why not. I want to get back to doing stuff
Speaker 1: for them, so I might do that. I finished it
Speaker 1: on Saturday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 3: I finished game completely in two and a half days,
Speaker 3: like I got it from Yend's like early, like late
Speaker 3: one night, and then the next few days I justs
Speaker 3: marathon through it completely and I'm you know, I'm it's
Speaker 3: helpful that I'm just looking up, guys where crap is.
Speaker 2: So that was good.
Speaker 1: Ah see, I'm trying not to do that.
Speaker 2: There's a problem so far.
Speaker 1: I did use a little bird a couple of times.
Speaker 3: Just yeah, after you that's for a level you can like, yeah,
Speaker 3: there's a god thing, but like you don't want to
Speaker 3: use that too much because like there's a trophy.
Speaker 2: That you need to get a lot of money. You
Speaker 2: need a lot of money for to one lock.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so you need yeah, you need to buy.
Speaker 2: One hundred and fifty items from that machine.
Speaker 1: So oh I already have I think like one thirty
Speaker 1: or thirty five, so I'm close. But yes, I do see,
Speaker 1: like I did start seeing what you meant, like I
Speaker 1: used it. I think like two in a row. At
Speaker 1: one point I was like, oh man, this really kills
Speaker 1: your coin. It was like, so yeah, now I can
Speaker 1: see why you're not mostly well, are probably just going
Speaker 1: on YouTube and not doing it this way or even
Speaker 1: doing the the community health thing inside the PlayStation Vive
Speaker 1: the PSN thing they have it where you can do
Speaker 1: like community uploads, and sure you had to do yeah,
Speaker 1: but I still love it, oh yeah even more. I
Speaker 1: mean just getting to that ending. What amazing. That ending
Speaker 1: was just like a trip down memory lane for that
Speaker 1: if you love PlayStation at all. And what do you
Speaker 1: think about like the all the special levels I guess
Speaker 1: the ones I mean without spoiling.
Speaker 2: Like did you I mean, they're okay, they're pretty good.
Speaker 2: I mean, what do you mean, like the five main
Speaker 2: ones or.
Speaker 1: Like the five ones at the end of each the
Speaker 1: ones at the end of each world.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, uh.
Speaker 3: My problem with well, I don't know to talk about
Speaker 3: just in review that much or at all really, but
Speaker 3: like the problem with that game kind of two funny things.
Speaker 3: One is they completely ignore sack Boy, which is a
Speaker 3: strange emission.
Speaker 1: I act kind of understand. Yeah, the houster competition a
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 4: You know, it's because like it's still a plantation, you know,
Speaker 4: yeah brand or you know, like mascot, Like if they're
Speaker 4: allowed to put in Crash Bandicoot inspired who they didn't
Speaker 4: you know the other competitor owns them for god say, yeah,
Speaker 4: like come on.
Speaker 1: Well, but that's that's different, I feel like because that's
Speaker 1: probably just Xbox playing ball and it's just them being
Speaker 1: like we get to we get to pull another one
Speaker 1: over on you that like Lexbox is working with us,
Speaker 1: that's how desperate they.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think the game is kind of
Speaker 3: almost a bummer in a way because like the one
Speaker 3: spoiler is like that, okay, that first cameo level is
Speaker 3: you're playing basically like an Apscape level. Yeah, And it's
Speaker 3: like this is cool, and then you think about it
Speaker 3: for a minute and go, hey, whatever happened to eight Escape?
Speaker 3: And then it's like, yeah, when was the last time
Speaker 3: ap Escape came out? And you know, you realize that
Speaker 3: it was twenty years ago?
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe twenty.
Speaker 1: I mean you can't play them on the as part
Speaker 1: of the PS plus.
Speaker 3: So yeah, but you know what I would rather have
Speaker 3: or rather them do is a new inch Escape game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I totally get you. I thought about that too, right, like.
Speaker 3: Oh they got like yeah, they got like a bunch
Speaker 3: of WHITEX shit in the game with the ships and crap,
Speaker 3: And I said, hey, whatever happened to Whiteout? It's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: the last Whitebuck game was the O Mega Collection, which
Speaker 3: was just a collection of old white Buck game.
Speaker 1: Well, and now that studio got ended.
Speaker 3: Right exactly, So yeah, you started thinking about like all
Speaker 3: these like Garrelic studios and Sony's Path that you know,
Speaker 3: that's what Xbox is doing right now.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean there's another one that I was
Speaker 1: totally surprised, like, wow, okay, we went we picked this game.
Speaker 1: Is when like, okay, the other three make total sense,
Speaker 1: all right. The other three that are are are absolute
Speaker 1: the franchise right now. Yeah, Sony, when you think about okay,
Speaker 1: the one that I did not think wouldever be one
Speaker 1: of those, I'm just like, wow, I also have great
Speaker 1: memories of this game. And then it's like, yep, that thing.
Speaker 2: Where is the jumping flash game like level you know.
Speaker 1: But but but it is like an absolute, like really
Speaker 1: cool moment of damn. Really, this is all of Sony's history, right,
Speaker 1: like all these games shut up on these consoles and
Speaker 1: all the bots, like every time you meet one, it's like,
Speaker 1: oh damn that yeah that's from that game.
Speaker 3: That was That was actually criticism I did level at
Speaker 3: the game is like they should have been like some
Speaker 3: encyclopedia for that crap.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really surprised they don't have something inside the
Speaker 1: game for that. I agree, because there's something it's just like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, most of those, I mean, it detends on how
Speaker 3: in depth you are in PlayStation history, like I'm sure
Speaker 3: you and I sussed out of that stuff. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 3: Like okay, I guess. Or it's like you know this
Speaker 3: dreamer or something. Yeah, sure, why not, you know, but uh,
Speaker 3: my big problem kind of with the game, well we
Speaker 3: talked about it, like the the like that game needs
Speaker 3: an actual story mm hmm, or it's not a story,
Speaker 3: like it does need to be some deeply indulved thing,
Speaker 3: but like the story even you know, some asshole alien
Speaker 3: which to partner spaceship for like no good reason, and
Speaker 3: that's it. Like you know, they they don't even call it,
Speaker 3: like I only found out that guy's name right at
Speaker 3: the end of the game.
Speaker 1: He could be he could be there their Bowser, right,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have all those years of.
Speaker 2: Yeah except for like even in the Maria Brothers manual
Speaker 2: they literally call him Bowser or you know, like that's
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, what they should have done, which I
Speaker 2: thought it would have been funny, is if they call
Speaker 2: him xpot.
Speaker 1: They can't.
Speaker 3: But yeah, actually, like an actual story or like I
Speaker 3: would say, Astrobot like as a character is charming, but
Speaker 3: it has like no personality. I mean, you can say
Speaker 3: the same thing about sack Boy. Also really right.
Speaker 1: I think he has more personality sack boy, because.
Speaker 2: He it's all just kind of like responses.
Speaker 3: He has like no agency in the game kind of
Speaker 3: And you know, Jens brought this up and he's like, well,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't want the character to be like why is
Speaker 3: cracking every thirty five seconds or something?
Speaker 2: And it's like, I don't need that.
Speaker 3: Even though if they did that, you know, you can
Speaker 3: get Jack Black in another role like hey, why not
Speaker 3: or Christmas?
Speaker 1: But would you do you level the same issue at
Speaker 1: at Link with Legend of Zelda.
Speaker 3: Also, yeah, partially, But I think the difference with Link
Speaker 3: is that is a very long lineage of him not
Speaker 3: talking you know, or you know.
Speaker 1: But it's it's a robot, like it's he's really supposed
Speaker 1: to be like a child robot. So I can kind
Speaker 1: of understand why he doesn't talk like it's you know,
Speaker 1: he acts like a freaking child, almost like a baby
Speaker 1: in some ways, and you're kind of just pushing him
Speaker 1: along and he does.
Speaker 2: That's the case.
Speaker 3: It raises a whole bunch of questions for me, like
Speaker 3: who built this thing? Who put the PlayStation five spaceship?
Speaker 3: Is it like the Serni God somewhere or you know, like.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean he has help from It wasn't
Speaker 1: Astro that built it, right, It's like these machines that
Speaker 1: are helping you build a bout togethers on Astro like
Speaker 1: working on them as you Right, you're the one that's
Speaker 1: supposedly helping him put it out together.
Speaker 3: So I want to play this the pretty cool game
Speaker 3: where you find out the you know, humanity or the
Speaker 3: Creator raised and slave these robots and they took over
Speaker 3: and killed them all. But and the one one level
Speaker 3: or the one well, first of all, you're not gonna
Speaker 3: have fun at that last level.
Speaker 1: I can guarant at you that I imagine that.
Speaker 2: But the only power up I really didn't like was
Speaker 2: the monkey Hands one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the it awkward with the where you
Speaker 1: have to move the controller with the most controls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that one's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and especially that boss fight you have to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of clunky in there.
Speaker 3: I do that ten times, maybe even fifteen, because you know,
Speaker 3: I just kept think it's like they want you to
Speaker 3: be quick, but it's like this thing does not make
Speaker 3: you go quickly.
Speaker 2: So it's like, yeah, you have the problem.
Speaker 1: Here, and you have to also make sure you don't
Speaker 1: get hit while you're up there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say the life it would have been
Speaker 3: nice if there's kind of there's actually kind of an
Speaker 3: upgrade system for the character, like hey you can boost longer,
Speaker 3: or hey you have more health you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So side from like the boss levels, like it's like
Speaker 2: one hit and you're done.
Speaker 1: The only thing that I had an issue with kind
Speaker 1: of is the if you found the secret work zone
Speaker 1: you have to get.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's like, I get it that you want us
Speaker 1: to replay these levels, and they're kind of short for
Speaker 1: the most part, so it's not that big a deal.
Speaker 1: It's just more of like why to elect everything at
Speaker 1: once without having to redo it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you should have been able to just unlock it,
Speaker 3: be like okay, I found it, and move on exactly
Speaker 3: once you be at the.
Speaker 1: Game, because then even if you go to the wrong one,
Speaker 1: like let's say you go to the one that actually
Speaker 1: ends the level by accident, you can't go back and
Speaker 1: try to find anything because once you're there, you're stuck.
Speaker 1: That's it. You have to end the level.
Speaker 3: So I think that the best part of the game though,
Speaker 3: and it's a really minor detail kind of the grand
Speaker 3: scheme of things is that everything actually has physicality, Like
Speaker 3: they don't make shit up at all, or it's not
Speaker 3: decoration like the construction you play the construction zone or
Speaker 3: like level right right, like the fact that you can
Speaker 3: climb climb up on all the cranes and all the
Speaker 3: cranes have like coins on top, so it's like, Okay,
Speaker 3: they realize that people would want to do this, so
Speaker 3: they put something up there. It's like, oh, it's a
Speaker 3: it's a neat little thing. Or one of the levels
Speaker 3: has one of the ghost levels, and they don't really
Speaker 3: reuse settings too much except for like the ghost level.
Speaker 2: They reuse that like three or four times. But like
Speaker 2: one of the ghost levels has like a big spurt
Speaker 2: like tornado of cutlery or like digs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where you have to do the stop time thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to jump between them.
Speaker 3: And I actually I intentionally failed that like five or
Speaker 3: six times, just because I was jumping in every object
Speaker 3: I could see, and I was like, wait, there's like
Speaker 3: fifty or sixty objects in this think and they all
Speaker 3: like they're all actually there. You know, it's not they
Speaker 3: don't fake it, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they make it fun for you to interact with everything, explore,
Speaker 1: find things, find the items.
Speaker 3: The only this isn't a criticism per se, but it
Speaker 3: is kind of an observation is they actually do have
Speaker 3: some levels, like some one off levels with power ups,
Speaker 3: like the sponge Man or the shrinking stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they only use it for.
Speaker 1: One level, the water one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that was actually really bad personally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the water one's.
Speaker 3: But like the spungy one, they could have made two
Speaker 3: or three other levels and that have been fine, or
Speaker 3: like you know, the drinking one, or have one where
Speaker 3: it's like Godzilla or something like that.
Speaker 1: You know, I would, honestly, I would love if they
Speaker 1: have did. I don't know if they would if they're considering,
Speaker 1: because apparently they are going to scale up the studio
Speaker 1: and give them more money. So I don't know if
Speaker 1: they're just going to just pack this thing with DLC
Speaker 1: constantly or what they're going to do with it, or
Speaker 1: they're going to put out little expansions. They already did
Speaker 1: say they're going to make more levels and more vip
Speaker 1: bots and stuff like that coming on the road. So, like,
Speaker 1: I think some of the people, some of the ones
Speaker 1: that like I like, Twisted Metal was kind of surprised
Speaker 1: not in here because they have that show. And but
Speaker 1: like like most there's a lot of people that you know,
Speaker 1: from our our era, we would have known if you
Speaker 1: put sweet Tooth in the game, like all immediately, okay,
Speaker 1: that we know what that's from. But like, to me,
Speaker 1: it's just kind of interesting that they could really with
Speaker 1: what they've done with this, they could really do like
Speaker 1: DLC packs of those cameo levels and do one for
Speaker 1: like a lot of the big games.
Speaker 3: You know, like you said last time, like the omission
Speaker 3: of Square is extremely weird. And there's at least one
Speaker 3: or two other companies that like they aren't in there either.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if they're waiting for Sony to come with
Speaker 1: the truck and go, oh, we want to make an
Speaker 1: astrobot themes FOM fantasy, uh DEALC pack. What do you
Speaker 1: guys say? Yeah, you know, but I think that's what
Speaker 1: it is. I think they want Sony to come with
Speaker 1: an individualized Oh this is there, here's a screen, expect,
Speaker 1: here's a file fantasya, here's a I don't know, capcom
Speaker 1: pack or whatever, and and then you can put him
Speaker 1: in there. Right. I think some of them are just like, Yo,
Speaker 1: we don't, we don't need to be in your game.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Then there's people like John Garbin that are just complaining
Speaker 1: that their guy is in the game, and it's like
Speaker 1: you should be excited that.
Speaker 3: Instead of yeah, someone remember Days Gone for somewhat positive reason,
Speaker 3: not for the punk that it really is.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. So it's like, what are you doing here?
Speaker 1: I mean, I get it. He's bitter towards Sony because
Speaker 1: of what happened. Though. We found out that apparently They's
Speaker 1: Gone too was an internal ending. It wasn't Sony the
Speaker 1: end of it. They apparently killed it internally. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's because they were going to change a
Speaker 1: lot of what the game was gonna be or something.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good game. You know. I would say,
Speaker 2: turn off bugs, controls and have a good time.
Speaker 1: I had. I had fun with all that. I had
Speaker 1: fun with the most controls, all that stuff. The game
Speaker 1: is amazing. For me. I think it's right up there
Speaker 1: my second game for Game of the Year behind me.
Speaker 3: It's a lot less gimmicky than the first game, which
Speaker 3: is good. The gimmicks are a lot more of an
Speaker 3: internal thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, all right, we got like five minutes or
Speaker 1: anything you want to say about outlaws.
Speaker 2: Or no, still bad. Uh, let's talk about people just
Speaker 2: for a minute.
Speaker 1: Okay, sure, what do you think I enjoyed it?
Speaker 3: I I kind of enjoyed it, Like I have more
Speaker 3: positive feelings and negative.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: The only two things that kind of didn't like. I
Speaker 2: didn't like Justin Throw's.
Speaker 3: Character at all. I don't think I like him as
Speaker 3: an actress. That's kind of a problem.
Speaker 5: But Yeah, But the thing I really didn't like what
Speaker 5: the movie actually is like the way they kind of
Speaker 5: punked out Dolores. Okay, likes seen this huge threat in
Speaker 5: the movie and she's completely dismissed at the end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I didn't get that. Like I thought we
Speaker 1: have like a much bigger confrontation they It.
Speaker 3: Would have made a lot more sense, Like screw the
Speaker 3: sandworm ending crap would made a lot more sense. It's
Speaker 3: like she goes to suck up beal juice of soul
Speaker 3: and then like Lydia or the daughter saves saves them,
Speaker 3: and then he like rips up the contract himself. Like
Speaker 3: that's called scream writing one on one, not just like
Speaker 3: weird gay sex mocking the ending. Oh, the sand Sandworm
Speaker 3: trot up again just the first movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, it's just well, that's it. They
Speaker 1: kind of like went towards the nostalgia a lot with it.
Speaker 1: They wanted to make sure they got all of the
Speaker 1: the stuff that you'd remember from the first movie.
Speaker 2: I mean, having the having the one sandworm seeing alone
Speaker 2: would have been fine.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Ah, I have the soul train. That was crudely racist.
Speaker 1: It was, it was it was, but it was it
Speaker 1: was funny in its own ways.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, yeah, and it didn't. I mean, this is
Speaker 3: the spoiler, I guess, but like, okay, what's your name?
Speaker 3: What's her daughter's name? Not Lydia, not Delia as.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: So she meets the boy in the in the treehouse.
Speaker 3: They never explained why she can see the boy or.
Speaker 1: Because apparently she has the same powers as her mom,
Speaker 1: but they wanted to be.
Speaker 3: So they imply in the first movie they implied that
Speaker 3: the powers are from her reading the book. I don't
Speaker 3: know that that's why Otha could see him, you know,
Speaker 3: in the first one, and then she can also like
Speaker 3: see see his parents.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's that's why it has to be
Speaker 1: from she got him from from Hereditary because like she
Speaker 1: can see everybody, it's not just right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then when don't you be able to see ghost?
Speaker 3: You know that might be a clue, like, hey, your
Speaker 3: mom's not making this up, you know.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, like I remember the one she really
Speaker 1: wants to she can't see her dad or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but you gotta go.
Speaker 1: So but I really I really enjoyed the movie. I
Speaker 1: think it's I'm glad that it made a bunch of
Speaker 1: money and the way they set it up. You know,
Speaker 1: let's see if there there's another one to come.
Speaker 2: Make a third and hopefully need more of those two together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but when on a Ryder and I go, keep
Speaker 1: more amazing in the movie, so you know, love that. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's just quick, he's there and you know, right, but
Speaker 1: all right, Uh, thank you so much everybody for watching
Speaker 1: or listening. If you listen later on podcasts you watched later, Uh,
Speaker 1: just really quick here right now, this minute, probably when
Speaker 1: you're listening to it, not if you watch like today,
Speaker 1: but it's starting tomorrow. Plucky squire if you have PS plus,
Speaker 1: go play that damn game. I'm hoping it's going to
Speaker 1: be amazing. I'm ready I'm excited to to play that
Speaker 1: as soon as I get done working. Also, the Prince
Speaker 1: of Persia DLC Mask of Darkness comes out same day tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Dead Rising the Luxury Master also coming out the day after,
Speaker 1: So if you've been excited for that Dead Rising remaster,
Speaker 1: you can definitely go check that out. If you need
Speaker 1: to play Jedi Star Wars or Star Wars Jedi Survivor
Speaker 1: on Last Gen, you can play it on that that
Speaker 1: not Tria Last Song also comes out this week. That's
Speaker 1: the the Lighter Dark Souls game or not Dark Souls.
Speaker 1: That game that isn't gonna be on Xbox a little
Speaker 1: bit because of that whole kerf fluffle that they had
Speaker 1: got where Ryno Rock comes to PC, their early access
Speaker 1: to E Sports twenty five Sports, Frost Punk two also,
Speaker 1: which I remember you didn't like Cross Back one.
Speaker 2: Right right?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So all right, some good stuff, lots of very
Speaker 1: different stuff coming out this week, So hopefully you find
Speaker 1: something to enjoy. If not, keep playing Astrobot or whatever
Speaker 1: else and we'll see everybody later latter