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Speaker 3: as always, George Hobbs. Thank you so much for taking
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Speaker 3: I do have a little catching up to do, very
Speaker 3: much under the weather the last ten days on the rebound.
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Speaker 3: have for today. We're going to bring on our special
Speaker 3: guest who sits I guess about two hours north of
Speaker 3: me in the great state of New Jersey. His name
Speaker 3: is Phil. Welcome to the program, Phil. How are you, sir?
Speaker 1: I'm doing well. How are you, George.
Speaker 3: I'm doing really good. I'm doing much better, I should say,
Speaker 3: beautiful day, and I'm just thankful to have you on today.
Speaker 3: Certainly a lot to talk about, and feel free to
Speaker 3: take a few minutes and introduce yourself to the audience.
Speaker 1: I am a forty five year old chef by trade,
Speaker 1: my own my own small business, which has a lot
Speaker 1: to do with what led me to contacting you in
Speaker 1: our conversation today, with being shut down in a pandemic
Speaker 1: and the way that left me feeling. The main thing
Speaker 1: I do with my business, though, is I work alone
Speaker 1: in my kitchen by choice because I came to this
Speaker 1: conclusion that I wanted to see how much I could
Speaker 1: create with my own two hands, which led me getting
Speaker 1: into procuring wild food. So my restaurant, I buy the
Speaker 1: proteins and everything else is I source from nature. And
Speaker 1: I heard one of your shows a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: and you you were mentioning how you you believe that
Speaker 1: when somebody gets their food from nature, you know, it
Speaker 1: gives them a closer relationship with things. And for me
Speaker 1: that that was a closer relationship with God and trusting God,
Speaker 1: and you know, seeing the interest trickisses in different plants
Speaker 1: and the intricacies and a flower. It was it was
Speaker 1: through all that that And I mean I pick hours,
Speaker 1: hundreds of hours a year, walk hundreds of miles a year,
Speaker 1: and it was through all that time alone that I
Speaker 1: was looking at these things and I was like, there's
Speaker 1: no Maybe one thing was by accident, right, maybe one
Speaker 1: thing was by accident, but there's no way when you
Speaker 1: put everything together that you can say that there is
Speaker 1: not a creator. And that's what led me down the
Speaker 1: road where I'm at today, and it really is what
Speaker 1: led me to accepting and believing in flat earth and
Speaker 1: I believe that I was led down this path in
Speaker 1: my life to come to that conclusion.
Speaker 3: That's amazing and number one, kudos to you. And that
Speaker 3: is something that I closed my business about a year
Speaker 3: before COVID hitting. I'm not going to sit here and
Speaker 3: say that I knew something was going down particularly, but
Speaker 3: I could see I was retail, brick and mortar. Most
Speaker 3: people in brick and mortar could see. I had a
Speaker 3: lot of friends that were within the brick and mortar
Speaker 3: content in them all. We all knew each other, and
Speaker 3: we talked and we saw how you know, businesses like
Speaker 3: Amazon and congal conglomerates like Walmart, et cetera, you just
Speaker 3: can't compete with them as far as buying, et cetera.
Speaker 3: But I would never would have thought that a year
Speaker 3: later that the government would pick and choose who could
Speaker 3: operate who could not operate, and then on top of that,
Speaker 3: taking taxpayers money and just passing it out and saying,
Speaker 3: you know, basically here is almost it felt like a bribe. Right,
Speaker 3: you take this twelve hundred dollars and you're just going
Speaker 3: to accept what we do. I don't know exactly how
Speaker 3: you perceived it, but what was that like for you, I.
Speaker 1: Like, it felt really dirty at like a bribe Like
Speaker 1: you said, it felt really dirty. It was. I had
Speaker 1: to go through the custody system. Unfortunately I had to
Speaker 1: fight for my son, which was one of the really
Speaker 1: eye opening things in my life. Like that that was
Speaker 1: really insulting, this rival in comparison with it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm a chef every Friday and Saturday night of my life,
Speaker 1: my adult life. I've worked every friend's wedding, every friend's
Speaker 1: birthday party, every child of my friend's birthday. I've missed,
Speaker 1: you know, and then the invitation stopped coming. And that's
Speaker 1: fine because I said on a path. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to cry well with me, but it's like
Speaker 1: here I sacrificed my life to earn to learn a craft,
Speaker 1: to learn a trade, to excel at a craft, to
Speaker 1: excel at a trade, and here I have a Governor
Speaker 1: Murphy telling me that, like, you know, you got to
Speaker 1: do this, you got to do that. And it was
Speaker 1: one of the most insulting things that I've ever gone
Speaker 1: through in my life. But I mean, as we'll get
Speaker 1: through in the conversation, I leaned on my faith in
Speaker 1: Jesus to get through it, and that's when I really started.
Speaker 1: I used to pick some wild food and I used
Speaker 1: to buy some wild food for purveyors nationwide. There's some
Speaker 1: of them. And it was at that point I said,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm done. I'm just going to pick
Speaker 1: all my own food and Jesus is going to provide
Speaker 1: for me in this and it's his creation, and that's
Speaker 1: what I'm going to cook with, which is where I'm
Speaker 1: at now. I mean we're five years removed now. I'm
Speaker 1: going through something where it's like, you know, I go
Speaker 1: to the restaurant, I make food. People see the food
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, it's just amazing. But for me,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, do you understand I'm cooking with like
Speaker 1: the creation. That's where I'm at with it now. And
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of interviews. I mean I've done
Speaker 1: them with the major papers in Philadelphia. I've been and
Speaker 1: I had interviews. They get published throughout the whole state
Speaker 1: of New Jersey for what I do because it's unique
Speaker 1: what I do. But every time I want to talk
Speaker 1: about something, you know, like that, like faith or Jesus,
Speaker 1: they always want to mark it up to oh, you
Speaker 1: mean Mother Nature and it's like, no, I don't mean
Speaker 1: mother nature. You know what I mean. I didn't say
Speaker 1: mother nature because I don't mean mother nature. So it's
Speaker 1: been this whole for me, the journey I'm on, which
Speaker 1: is why I reached out to you, is because I
Speaker 1: want this is what I want to talk about, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And it's like I listen to
Speaker 1: your show or other shows, and it's the control the
Speaker 1: media has goes down to even like the smallest publications
Speaker 1: on not getting the word out about Jesus and not
Speaker 1: really getting the word out about faith or your truth.
Speaker 3: You know, absolutely they want it controlled, and like you said,
Speaker 3: they want to tip the captive science. That's why they
Speaker 3: want to encapsulate it as mother nature. And even you know,
Speaker 3: every now and then you'll hear the President mentioned God, right,
Speaker 3: you know this God, But rarely will you ever hear
Speaker 3: someone in a position of power actually give glory to Jesus.
Speaker 3: And that's one thing that I think people kind of miss. Right.
Speaker 3: We do give our glory to God, but we are
Speaker 3: saved through Jesus. And I wish that that people who
Speaker 3: were in power would mention Jesus more because that is
Speaker 3: who who died on the Cross for us and gives
Speaker 3: us eternal salvation. And I think there's a lot of
Speaker 3: people who are deceived, you know, whether it's sports or whatever.
Speaker 3: They'll give glory to God, but you know, we should
Speaker 3: really be talking about Jesus Christ as well and spreading
Speaker 3: the gospel of his word.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. And then to touch on another point
Speaker 1: of the pandemic, the thing that and like, I have
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, I have friends that are like Trump,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna get my bunker to like the other side,
Speaker 1: you know, And like I don't care about politics. I
Speaker 1: think it's all corrupt. I think it's all evil, and
Speaker 1: I don't trust any of them. Do what does that
Speaker 1: make me anti government? I have no idea, you know,
Speaker 1: even that has a stereotype anymore. But what really did
Speaker 1: me in during the pandemic was the restaurant revitalization fund.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember that vaguely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I got approved for it and I lost.
Speaker 1: I lost a ton of money in that time, you know,
Speaker 1: And and it's money I could have invested from my future,
Speaker 1: you name it. And the restaurant right revitalization on was
Speaker 1: the one where if you were a white person you
Speaker 1: had to wait twenty one days for your application to
Speaker 1: be improved, and the money had run out by then.
Speaker 1: And I just found it insulting because like my family
Speaker 1: came to this country from Ireland and Italy in the
Speaker 1: nineteen thirties. So it's like I always find it crazy
Speaker 1: that I'm just the white guy, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like you're just going to get rid of my Italian
Speaker 1: and Irish heritage. And that really did me in because
Speaker 1: it really showed me what was there was. You can
Speaker 1: see that there's an agenda there, you know.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I'm kind of looking through the old news
Speaker 3: and apparently this ended up going through the court system
Speaker 3: because I think that was prioritizing women and minorities, and
Speaker 3: it looks like a lot of people ended up taking
Speaker 3: this to court. I'm saying there was some rulings through
Speaker 3: the sixth Circuit Court.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like I said, I mean, okay, you know what,
Speaker 1: Like I said, I have faith in Jesus and like
Speaker 1: he will provide for me. It's not about that. But
Speaker 1: I do have a thirteen year old son. I do
Speaker 1: do physical labor. That's how I put food on my table,
Speaker 1: and know what I mean, that's how I pay my
Speaker 1: electric bills. So like I mean, it was upwards of
Speaker 1: well over one hundred thousand dollars that like I got
Speaker 1: to prove for and I just didn't get because because
Speaker 1: of the color of my skin. And then you can
Speaker 1: tell some people that and they'll be like, well, now
Speaker 1: you know how this person felt. Now you know how
Speaker 1: that felt. And it's like, you know, you kind of
Speaker 1: just beat you down to the point where it's like
Speaker 1: I don't even want to talk to you then, because
Speaker 1: like that's not even when I'm trying you know, that's
Speaker 1: tell what I'm trying to say here, I'm talking about
Speaker 1: me in my life, Like I had nothing to do
Speaker 1: with the things you're bringing up. You know, it's like
Speaker 1: this mass retribution that we have to pay for.
Speaker 3: Right, and people need to realize that throughout the history
Speaker 3: of our world, the sixty five hundred years, every race,
Speaker 3: every gender has been dealt some type of blow, and
Speaker 3: instead of uh, you know, continuing to play the card,
Speaker 3: you know, instead of moving forward, they continued to use
Speaker 3: these things to divide and conquer us. So instead of
Speaker 3: focusing on the real problems, which is the ruling elite,
Speaker 3: they keep us fighting amongst each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would one hundred percent agree with that. So that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was COVID For me. It was tough. You know,
Speaker 1: I was working, I was homeschooling. I did take out
Speaker 1: for a little while, and then I went in to
Speaker 1: cooking people's houses. But I also, you know, I soaked
Speaker 1: up in an old school style. I soaked up all
Speaker 1: the windows of my restaurant. You know, it's a small
Speaker 1: little restaurant, and I was doing you know, so called
Speaker 1: illegal dinners in there. And I'm just sitting in there
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know, for regular it's people that
Speaker 1: I really know that still wanted to go out. We
Speaker 1: weren't so concerned with the whole thing. And I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there and it's like, I'm in my own business. I'm
Speaker 1: not scared of the thing. These people aren't scared of
Speaker 1: the thing. But the whole time, I'm afraid the cops
Speaker 1: are going to like, you know, bust through the door,
Speaker 1: and who knows what's going to happen. You know, Why
Speaker 1: I got to live like that? Why am I being
Speaker 1: forced to live like that? Was the was the major
Speaker 1: thing for me that was so hard, you know, Like
Speaker 1: what I went into a threst store one time, and I,
Speaker 1: you know, I'll put the mask on. I'll put the
Speaker 1: mask on. You got to use hand sanitizer, I said,
Speaker 1: I don't use hand sanitizer. Well, you can't come in here.
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, then, I'm not coming in
Speaker 1: here and I'll just take my money somewhere else. You know.
Speaker 1: The control thing. I don't like being controlled in life
Speaker 1: like that. And that was the hardest thing for me.
Speaker 1: Was just like there's so many rules that just didn't
Speaker 1: make sense, just that we're tied to that just nonsense,
Speaker 1: you know, scientific data. This guy said this, this guy
Speaker 1: said that, and here's your life as an individual. Just
Speaker 1: like then, I'm glad I had faith in Jesus in
Speaker 1: that time, or I don't know how I would have
Speaker 1: got throw it. I don't know how. You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a very difficult time for a lot
Speaker 3: of people for many reasons, and especially for business owners.
Speaker 3: And it's funny to me that, you know, within the
Speaker 3: last couple of years, there have been hundreds, if not thousands,
Speaker 3: of articles that that have entailed that the draconian COVID
Speaker 3: restrictions did more harm than good. And that is like,
Speaker 3: if there was ever a more captain obvious statement in
Speaker 3: the history of this world. I mean, after the second week,
Speaker 3: like I would say, probably ninety percent of the people
Speaker 3: were kind of okay, all right, we're going to do
Speaker 3: this for fifteen days and we're going to move on
Speaker 3: with our lives. Like a lot of people thought, this
Speaker 3: is two weeks where I can take a break. Maybe
Speaker 3: even people like yourself who run restaurants and have been
Speaker 3: working NonStop for twenty years, maybe they saw this as
Speaker 3: a chance to just catch their breath for two weeks,
Speaker 3: and then we were going to move on and life
Speaker 3: would go back to the way it always had been.
Speaker 1: However, however, one of the funniest things I remember from
Speaker 1: that is texting my friends a picture and I detailed
Speaker 1: my toolbox, you know. So it's like you're saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: the two weeks, Yeah, it was. It was nice to
Speaker 1: have a little break, I guess you could say.
Speaker 3: Right, absolutely, And I thought people and I think that
Speaker 3: was the first misstep of the general population. If people
Speaker 3: remember Reagan famously said the nine most terrifying words in
Speaker 3: the English language are I'm from the government and I'm
Speaker 3: here to help. And that is something that we should
Speaker 3: have heeded. Actually thinking that they were going to keep
Speaker 3: their word and it was just going to be fifteen
Speaker 3: days and it wasn't going to turn into something that
Speaker 3: it actually did. And you started it. Actually, for me,
Speaker 3: it didn't take very long to start to see the
Speaker 3: evils of what they actually had planned. And when you
Speaker 3: started to see churches shut down, when you started to
Speaker 3: see pastors arrested, when you started to see mom and
Speaker 3: pop shots like yourself having to to you know, have
Speaker 3: you know, do business behind closed doors, because you still
Speaker 3: had to pay rent or your mortgage. And of course
Speaker 3: they came out with laws which I think hindered property owners,
Speaker 3: like maybe X person didn't have to pay rent, but
Speaker 3: the guy who owed the banks still eventually had to
Speaker 3: pay his mortgage. It was just this, what we know
Speaker 3: today is the largest transfer of wealth in the history
Speaker 3: of mankind. And that was just one of the agendas
Speaker 3: behind it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really was. And and you know it's just
Speaker 1: as I get older, you know, it's like I listened
Speaker 1: to you and when you say you got out of
Speaker 1: the military, you really started looking into stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: And part of my struggle is like and like I'm
Speaker 1: a real humble person. I do what I do to
Speaker 1: be a father to my son. I'm open three days
Speaker 1: a week so I can be a parent the other days.
Speaker 1: I applied for jobs and said that I wanted that,
Speaker 1: and I was you know, they thought I had cancer,
Speaker 1: And so I went on Craigslist and I found this
Speaker 1: restaurant and I opened. It's a classic story. I mean,
Speaker 1: I made my own tables. I did all the construction
Speaker 1: in there. When I say it's like a small little
Speaker 1: shoe box, that's what it is. You know. I made
Speaker 1: the tables out of plywood, staying them nice. And it's
Speaker 1: the classic story of opening night. There was forty dollars
Speaker 1: in my pocket and is this gonna work? It's gonna work.
Speaker 1: And if it's not, it's not. You know, it worked,
Speaker 1: and I believe it worked because I was. I was
Speaker 1: living from a pure, honest intention place. And like I've had,
Speaker 1: you know, a fair amount of recognition one of the things.
Speaker 1: And I don't care about any of it. That's the
Speaker 1: point of this. But I got nominated for a James
Speaker 1: Beard Award, I think two years ago for Best Chef
Speaker 1: mid Atlantic and the whole mid Atlantic region, right, And
Speaker 1: this is like one of the most prestigious American awards.
Speaker 1: You can be nominated for whatever supposedly, right, So I'm like, okay, great,
Speaker 1: So they send you the packet of things to be accepted.
Speaker 1: And it's bothered me ever since what I put in
Speaker 1: my email because I feel like I went back on
Speaker 1: my faith. But it's fine because I think things like
Speaker 1: that happen in life to teach you things, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But in this fact, you have to
Speaker 1: sign their ethics rules. You're going to adhere to their
Speaker 1: ethics rules to accept this award, which is approval from
Speaker 1: man to get this award. And I mean it's very
Speaker 1: anti Christian, and it's like if they hear this conversation,
Speaker 1: I would lose my award, you know. And it's like
Speaker 1: I'm at the point where I'm forty five. I still
Speaker 1: need to make a living, but I just can't. It's
Speaker 1: eating me up inside more and more. Not to just
Speaker 1: speak about what I want to speak about how it
Speaker 1: pertains to food. I got into natural food, so you
Speaker 1: want to talk about like I started line cooking. The
Speaker 1: fish order would come through the door and it would
Speaker 1: smell like the ocean just pulled up, and we get
Speaker 1: a meat order. The meat was the most beautiful colors
Speaker 1: you've ever seen. Now, the food is disgusting. Okay, I
Speaker 1: use all organic, I use no hormones and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: But the food, I don't know if they changed the
Speaker 1: feed to save money or what they did like three
Speaker 1: or four years ago. And I have another chef buddy
Speaker 1: that's been doing it this whole life rate in my
Speaker 1: town here where I live. We've known each other twenty years,
Speaker 1: says the same thing. I mean, they bring the fish
Speaker 1: and it smells like cat food, and nothing has the
Speaker 1: same flavors that it used to. And you think about
Speaker 1: all the poison in our vegetables and all the poison
Speaker 1: and stuff. This isn't a conversation that like say, the
Speaker 1: Philly Inquirer wants to have with you, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But this is the conversation that needs to
Speaker 1: be had. Like it's everybody's called up in their TikTok
Speaker 1: videos and all this stuff. It's like, we need to
Speaker 1: have an actual conversation about food. Where you're going to
Speaker 1: get food? I mean, I live my life. I don't
Speaker 1: live in food. I don't if it happens, it happens.
Speaker 1: I I don't see how you can live right now
Speaker 1: and be like everything's gonna be okay, or things are
Speaker 1: gonna get better, you know what I mean, Like I
Speaker 1: I just don't don't see it, not with Trump, not
Speaker 1: with what's going on in the world, not with the
Speaker 1: stock market, not with anything. I don't. I don't see
Speaker 1: how you can look at that and say, yeah, everything's
Speaker 1: gonna get better. You know, New world order is not coming.
Speaker 1: And you sound crazy to some people talking like that,
Speaker 1: though you.
Speaker 3: Know it is. And I think it's important. I mentioned
Speaker 3: this on the radio show yesterday. I think now more
Speaker 3: than ever, we have to be more forthright about the truth,
Speaker 3: whether it be COVID nine to eleven, but you know,
Speaker 3: even more importantly the Gospel of Jesus Christ because if
Speaker 3: like exactly what you just said, if you know, people
Speaker 3: with discernment in their eyes can kind of see how
Speaker 3: quickly things are accelerating. And I'm not here to say,
Speaker 3: you know, stand on the mountaintop, say the end is
Speaker 3: near and just push fear into everybody's hearts, because it
Speaker 3: shouldn't take fear to push people into action. Unfortunately, as
Speaker 3: humans that that that's what it takes a lot of times.
Speaker 3: But uh, you know, anyone with vision can see just
Speaker 3: in the last five years, how things have accelerated, and
Speaker 3: you know, I think we do have to do the
Speaker 3: best we can, even you know, we all know everybody
Speaker 3: who's listened to this podcast has probably at least one
Speaker 3: time tried to share the truth, whether it's flat Earth,
Speaker 3: whether it's nine to eleven, whether it's whatever, and they've
Speaker 3: been looked down upon, they've been ridiculed, And that takes
Speaker 3: a lot out of a person, right because it takes
Speaker 3: for someone to come out the first time and it
Speaker 3: kind of have this conversation like we can talk about
Speaker 3: the moon landing and JFK, nobody's gonna ridicule you. But
Speaker 3: when you get when you get to flatter Earth and
Speaker 3: other things, people will almost excommunicate you for your thoughts.
Speaker 3: And that is something that we really got to. I
Speaker 3: think it's going to take everyone trying to get the
Speaker 3: word out to get people to accept the truth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, and I mean to compliment you. That's
Speaker 1: why you know, I wanted to call in to try
Speaker 1: and just be honest with you and you know, maybe
Speaker 1: somebody hears it, or just to give back to your
Speaker 1: show in this respect, to be honest, tell you who
Speaker 1: I am, to come out as a business owner and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But you know, there is a fine line,
Speaker 1: I think, because there is a lot of stuff out
Speaker 1: there where it's like screaming the end is nigh, you know.
Speaker 1: And I mean your show is just you always have
Speaker 1: the same ton you know, and it's it's very approachable
Speaker 1: to listen to the topics and and it's it's I
Speaker 1: very much and enjoyed it. And you know that if
Speaker 1: you want to segue to flat earth, I mean I
Speaker 1: I talked to a couple of people about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get ridiculed. I talk to my son about it,
Speaker 1: and he ridicules me, which is fine because I always
Speaker 1: tell him. I'm like, I'm trying to teach you even
Speaker 1: if you don't want to believe in it, that's fine.
Speaker 1: You have a father that believes in something, that stands
Speaker 1: his ground. And also I'm trying to teach you critical
Speaker 1: thinking to not because you know, he goes to the
Speaker 1: school and well the school says this, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: so I'm trying to teach him also how to critical think,
Speaker 1: because that is a lost art in the children anymore.
Speaker 1: And like I have a guy that comes in into
Speaker 1: the restaurant and he's going to listen to this.
Speaker 3: Matt.
Speaker 1: I won't say his last name, but we got to talking,
Speaker 1: and it's he is on board with everything, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. This guy is on board with anything
Speaker 1: you just mentioned. He sees through it. Right, bring up
Speaker 1: flat Earth? Now, well why not? Oh, NASA and this
Speaker 1: and this, and it's like he doesn't believe in the
Speaker 1: moon landing. But you know the reason is is NASA,
Speaker 1: you know, well, the satellites into this and to that,
Speaker 1: and and you know, I think I give a lot
Speaker 1: of credit to the plan in the sense where it's
Speaker 1: really a genius plan. What they did. They took the
Speaker 1: Bible and within the first couple pages they destroyed creation.
Speaker 1: So now when you pick up a Bible and you
Speaker 1: read that, you're like, well, the whole thing must just
Speaker 1: be a story, or the whole thing must just be
Speaker 1: like you know whatever they say, poems and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But it's not. And I think that's the most beautiful
Speaker 1: thing when you finally see it and you realize that
Speaker 1: the Bible is true, it's it's a life changing experience. Now,
Speaker 1: I came to Jesus thirteen years ago. I had a
Speaker 1: supernatural experience with the spirit in a field by my house.
Speaker 1: Read the Bible, and I was I you know, I
Speaker 1: read the Bible. I believed in Jesus, you know, that's
Speaker 1: what I did. I didn't I didn't truly understand certain things.
Speaker 1: So I was going on. I would smoke marijuana, I
Speaker 1: would I would get drunk. I all these things right,
Speaker 1: because I'd never been to a church. They don't teach
Speaker 1: certain things at churches. They just you know, and through
Speaker 1: flat earth that brought me to, you know, some teachings
Speaker 1: by some pastors about you know, habitual sin and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, and since to death, things I had never
Speaker 1: known about that I know about now and I'm accountable
Speaker 1: for now. I quit cursing, I quit fornicating, I quit
Speaker 1: getting habitually drunk. I don't do any drugs, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's it's truly changed my life, but it's it's
Speaker 1: I don't think it's by chance. I think this was
Speaker 1: all part of God's design in my life to bring
Speaker 1: me this at the time he did, and to move
Speaker 1: on now with this. And I don't mind speaking about it.
Speaker 1: I don't care what people think about me. And now
Speaker 1: I told some people I was coming on this and
Speaker 1: they're like, what if somebody finds out? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like, what do you mean what if somebody
Speaker 1: finds out? You know? But it is for me. I mean,
Speaker 1: if somebody did find out, you know, it could affect
Speaker 1: my career and my business. But I don't care anymore,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And that's what this whole
Speaker 1: thing has brought me to, is to not caring anymore.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't have a pension, I don't have
Speaker 1: a like retirement like that. So it's like, but I
Speaker 1: don't care because I just did. Every day I wake
Speaker 1: up more and more. I just want to, you know,
Speaker 1: share share my message, which is, you know, just have
Speaker 1: faith in Jesus.
Speaker 3: Amen. And isn't it funny if you really pull yourself
Speaker 3: away from everything and you're you're crazy for believing that
Speaker 3: the Earth is flat and water is retained by the
Speaker 3: walls of Antarctica, et cetera. But it's cool and one
Speaker 3: hundred percent understandable if you believe in little green men
Speaker 3: flying in spaceships that come from hundreds of millions of
Speaker 3: miles away.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the other thing that amazes me too is
Speaker 1: like you know, how I'm I I meet a lot
Speaker 1: of different people because I, you know, I have a business,
Speaker 1: you know, of course, and I the foraging circle, you know,
Speaker 1: the wild food circle is predominantly like pretty pretty left oriented.
Speaker 1: So you know, you find the people that are like
Speaker 1: I get my direction from the energy of the flowers.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, like you put so much time and
Speaker 1: effort into this. If if you put a tenth of
Speaker 1: the time and the effort into reading the Bible and
Speaker 1: trying to live in that accord you you would benefit
Speaker 1: so much more from.
Speaker 3: It, you know what I mean, absolutely, And it shouldn't
Speaker 3: be a left or right thing, but you are right.
Speaker 3: It is mostly a you know, people who are one
Speaker 3: with the nature and mother and nature, but you rarely
Speaker 3: find them using the word God.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah all the time. And then like you know,
Speaker 1: like you were saying earlier, with the science, you know,
Speaker 1: scienism or whatever. It's it's huge in the mushroom world
Speaker 1: because I pick all my own mushroom students. And you know,
Speaker 1: it used to be like, we'll take one for an example,
Speaker 1: a Porcini mushroom was a Porcini mushroom. Now it's they're
Speaker 1: doing all these DNA sequences is on these mushrooms and
Speaker 1: they keep changing all the time, and it's like you
Speaker 1: could go so people don't respect me. I know it's
Speaker 1: a porcini. I know how to cook to porcini, But
Speaker 1: because I don't know the newest scientific name, I'm not
Speaker 1: educated enough to speak on it. You know what I
Speaker 1: mean when it's like all that is is a way
Speaker 1: to drive people away from finding the porcini and sustaining
Speaker 1: their life.
Speaker 3: You know, absolutely, I wanted to digress for just a
Speaker 3: second before we get too far away from it. While
Speaker 3: you were speaking, I looked up the James Beard Foundation
Speaker 3: and right, they are a nonprofit, so their tax records
Speaker 3: are available to the public, and it's amazing to see
Speaker 3: how much money goes to the people who work within
Speaker 3: the organization to pay their salaries. Just last year, almost
Speaker 3: six million dollars were paid to salaries. Literally half of
Speaker 3: the donations or the money they have goes to pay themselves.
Speaker 3: And that doesn't include the fundraising the quote unquote other expenses,
Speaker 3: which is their rent and their plane tickets and their
Speaker 3: hotel rooms and things of that nature. And then when
Speaker 3: you go down and you actually read their statement of
Speaker 3: program services, et cetera, you're right, it breaks it down.
Speaker 3: They play the individualist card, they play the Marxist card.
Speaker 3: They talk about how they are trying to get more
Speaker 3: women involved and a minority is involved, and again it
Speaker 3: goes back to not who is the best, but it
Speaker 3: goes back to this Marxist breakdown of individualism and you know,
Speaker 3: really against what this should all be about. You're either
Speaker 3: the best or you're not.
Speaker 1: And that's what I used to love about it. I
Speaker 1: looked at it like as an athlete, like I'm going
Speaker 1: to outperform you and I'm going to be the best,
Speaker 1: you know, and they took away all that. So it's
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, it's not what's the point
Speaker 1: of doing this, but it kind of is, you know,
Speaker 1: And like, yeah, I get emails from them all the time.
Speaker 1: You know, they're they're on board, you know, the food
Speaker 1: equity or whatever the word is, and like, you know,
Speaker 1: they're very much into the climate change thing, and like
Speaker 1: that's what people always want to want me to talk about.
Speaker 1: But I don't believe in climate change. I believe in
Speaker 1: government weather manipulation. You know, Like, are they going to
Speaker 1: print that in the Philadelphia I'm not absolutely not, Like,
Speaker 1: but that's what it is. I mean like it just
Speaker 1: is and it's you know, it's it's hard to sit
Speaker 1: here and talk to people about it because it's just like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like how do you do the breadcrumbs
Speaker 1: when you know so much? But I'm pretty good, Like
Speaker 1: with this mac guy. Text him the other I'm going
Speaker 1: to get him. I'm telling you, I'm going to get him.
Speaker 1: I almost have him. But like I text him the
Speaker 1: other day, I was like, hey, man, I hope you're
Speaker 1: doing okay. I heard you were spinning around at one
Speaker 1: thousand miles an hour, flying through space at sixty seven
Speaker 1: thousand miles an hour, through the universe going one point
Speaker 1: three miles an hour. Let me know if you need anything,
Speaker 1: you know, And it's just little jokes like that and
Speaker 1: maybe get him thinking. And I'm going to get him
Speaker 1: eventually on board with the flat Earth. I really think
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 3: Is he a man of faith? Because I do find
Speaker 3: it interesting.
Speaker 1: Now and now he's not that I know of, And
Speaker 1: I think that is why it's so hard for people,
Speaker 1: because and it's all part like when like I've heard it,
Speaker 1: like listen, I think you're fifty seven. You said maybe.
Speaker 3: I'll be fifty six this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I was forty three when I came to it,
Speaker 1: and oh man, yeah, two weeks I was like sick.
Speaker 1: I was sick because you realize everything's a lie and
Speaker 1: it just is and that's truth of it, and it's okay,
Speaker 1: and it was all done to destroy the Bible, which
Speaker 1: is is fine, and their plan makes sense and everything.
Speaker 1: But I think that's why it's it's so hard to
Speaker 1: get people to come to it, because when they come
Speaker 1: to it, they have to get they have to come
Speaker 1: to Jesus, and I don't. It's it's not easy to
Speaker 1: give up your sin. It's not easy to give up
Speaker 1: your way of life, you know. And like I got
Speaker 1: sick and a couple I mean like sick from the
Speaker 1: realization of it. And then probably about two three months
Speaker 1: later something something hit me. I mean I read my
Speaker 1: Bible every day, I study, I listen to worship music,
Speaker 1: and I was around the house and something hit me
Speaker 1: and it was like, it's not just my life that
Speaker 1: was the lie. It was my parent's life that was
Speaker 1: the lie. It was their parents' life that was the lie.
Speaker 1: So what if I'm here today, how many decisions got
Speaker 1: made up until that point to where I am today?
Speaker 1: That we're based off of the lie, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, And that's like, well, what is your life then?
Speaker 1: And it really just became clear to me that it's
Speaker 1: the only thing that truly matters is walking with Jesus
Speaker 1: and studying that and living the best life you can,
Speaker 1: but not being in fear. There's nothing to be afraid of. Like,
Speaker 1: I enjoy my life. I have a garden now back,
Speaker 1: I have a beautiful home that I fixed up for myself.
Speaker 1: Like you can sit here and be like, wow, this
Speaker 1: guy not you, But oh look at all this doom
Speaker 1: and gloom. It's not doom and gloom. It brings you
Speaker 1: to the greatest piece you will ever have in your life.
Speaker 1: Accepting flat Earth and realizing that there is a creator
Speaker 1: and you are special. You are not this little speck
Speaker 1: of thing that means nothing in the vastness of nonsense.
Speaker 1: You were created with the plan. Find your plan and
Speaker 1: live it, you.
Speaker 3: Know, absolutely, And it does take a lot of the
Speaker 3: fear you may have had out before, just out of
Speaker 3: the context. What is there to fear? And that's really
Speaker 3: the attitude we should have had into The other thing is,
Speaker 3: within the last week or two, there have been hundreds
Speaker 3: of stories about that there is a one in eighty
Speaker 3: three chance of this asteroid hitting Earth in twenty thirty two,
Speaker 3: and trust that this.
Speaker 1: Morning when I woke up and thought of you, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh this I forgot. But yeah, I just
Speaker 1: saw that and laughed and thought of you this morning
Speaker 1: at pop Top.
Speaker 3: And I wonder how many people are just stressing or
Speaker 3: sharing this story with their friends on email or texting
Speaker 3: hey did you see this? But when with flat Earth
Speaker 3: and your belief with the firmament and everything, you just
Speaker 3: laugh at that and understand this is another way that
Speaker 3: they are subconsciously psychologically manipulating people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean for me up here, I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean my son was really scared of the drones because
Speaker 1: what were they? I mean one we saw one come
Speaker 1: over our neighborhood. It was like, I would explain it
Speaker 1: as a refrigerator, and it was low a refrigerator flying around.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, what is he? You know what I mean, Like, wow,
Speaker 1: what is going on here? For me, it was like,
Speaker 1: I believe that something's going to happen eventually to get
Speaker 1: us all chipped and usher in whatever they want to
Speaker 1: usher in. Right, That's what I believe. But from my son.
Speaker 1: It was very scary for him, and I talked him
Speaker 1: through it. But you know, what was that? You know?
Speaker 1: But I didn't. I wasn't in fear. It's just like
Speaker 1: what is going on? It's almost like what is going
Speaker 1: on now? Kind of mentality that I have anymore, you know,
Speaker 1: like what are they trying to do? Now?
Speaker 3: So did your city's leadership ever address the population?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Nothing now Now I live in a small town on
Speaker 1: the edge of the pine barons up here, but yeah, no, nothing.
Speaker 1: It's but it's like you always say, you know, it's
Speaker 1: just the next thing. Then the planes crash and then
Speaker 1: this happened. You forget, people forget you know, they're on
Speaker 1: to their next thing, and they're so distracted, you know.
Speaker 1: As I told you in the email, I've lived without
Speaker 1: I just got Wi Fi two years ago from my
Speaker 1: son's school, but I've lived without TV my whole adult life.
Speaker 1: So like I don't, I don't really. I have the phone,
Speaker 1: which I need for work, but other than that, I
Speaker 1: don't really spend a lot of time in that system
Speaker 1: per se. So I have a lot of free thinking
Speaker 1: my whole adult life. But another point, what originally it
Speaker 1: never left me? What I told you in that email.
Speaker 1: I don't know how old I was. I was probably
Speaker 1: seven or nine years old maybe, and I grew up
Speaker 1: in a very mentally and emotionally abusive situation. My father
Speaker 1: went to prison when I was five years old, so
Speaker 1: you know, my mother was raising us. I'm sure she
Speaker 1: didn't deal with what happened very well, so it wasn't
Speaker 1: the best upbringing. But I remember asking her one time.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I was like, Mom, I
Speaker 1: was like, how do the people in Australia you walk
Speaker 1: if they're upside down? And I was serious, you know,
Speaker 1: because maybe I learned something in school or something. She
Speaker 1: says to me, she goes, well, their eyes flip it
Speaker 1: around for them. And she was a teacher, so and
Speaker 1: she loved science fiction and an atheist, so this is
Speaker 1: where I was going off them, sounds great, right, And
Speaker 1: I says to her, I said, well, so if we
Speaker 1: go to Australia, how are our eyes going to know
Speaker 1: to flip it around if we're not from there? And
Speaker 1: the conversation got shut down after that because we weren't
Speaker 1: really allowed to speak too much about thoughts or emotions
Speaker 1: growing up, and that always stuck with me. And then,
Speaker 1: like I said, two years ago, somebody gave me Spotify
Speaker 1: and I had had Apple, but I had never I
Speaker 1: listened to music. But I got the Spotify and I
Speaker 1: knew Spotify had podcasts. I didn't know if Apple had podcasts,
Speaker 1: and I never looked and I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I was going through my own journey with the picking
Speaker 1: the food and realizing that and I believed it was
Speaker 1: was flat and that thought always stuck with me. And
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, let me just see
Speaker 1: if there's a flat earth podcast. I know that's might
Speaker 1: be funny because there's so probably a lot of them, right,
Speaker 1: but I and yours is the first one that came up.
Speaker 1: And before I even listened to it, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's flat, it's flat. If there's a community, I was like,
Speaker 1: it's flat. And then I listened, and then you know,
Speaker 1: I really solidified it for me. And like I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say I brought or you know, I believe Jesus brought
Speaker 1: me to the flat earth truth through the wild food,
Speaker 1: and I believe then I was brought to your podcast.
Speaker 1: Now like but your other show, It's like then I
Speaker 1: listened to that stuff because I had never really looked
Speaker 1: into it because I'd never listened to a podcast or anything,
Speaker 1: or I've always kind of done my own thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was just so easy to hear this stuff, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like, oh, person, am B
Speaker 1: did this and this is why this isn't true? And
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I can see that now, you know.
Speaker 1: It helps you understand the truth so much easier, which
Speaker 1: is what I try to explain to this one guy
Speaker 1: who's already on board, but I can't. I can't get
Speaker 1: him to the flat Earth. What he did come last
Speaker 1: night though, and he did tell me, He's like, he's like,
Speaker 1: you almost have me. So I got to hopefully this
Speaker 1: show puts them over the top, you know, hopefully this
Speaker 1: is what seals the deal, because I would like to
Speaker 1: get one, you know, I just want this one convert
Speaker 1: to flat Earth. I would really I would really like
Speaker 1: to be able to say I got one. And I
Speaker 1: have a couple others that I've tried, but you know,
Speaker 1: they get caught up in there their other stuff, and
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot of work to do all this research.
Speaker 1: I mean, I went down the hole of the Catholic Church.
Speaker 1: Everything I'm going down all the holes, you know, but
Speaker 1: I like it. You know, it's it's knowledge, it's it's
Speaker 1: it makes it. All these lies strengthen the Bible, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, that's what all these lies do because not
Speaker 1: like you've said before that a lot of people believe
Speaker 1: that there's a Satanic worshiping elite, right, but they don't
Speaker 1: so you don't believe that there's a God, Like, how
Speaker 1: do you think there's a Satan? Even Satan worshippers know
Speaker 1: that there's a God or else there wouldn't be a Satan,
Speaker 1: So that doesn't even make sense right there.
Speaker 3: You know that That is something I've argued often to
Speaker 3: people who are atheists, but who in their truth investigations
Speaker 3: acknowledge an evil, you know, whether they believe it's Satan
Speaker 3: or not. They say, yeah, obviously, and they'll use the
Speaker 3: term Satan worshiping, so that there has to be a God.
Speaker 3: And that's something I think they miss and that is
Speaker 3: something that the truth community really needs. I think we're
Speaker 3: gaining right. But if you look at the two biggest
Speaker 3: truthers you know, Rogan and I'm talking about from a listenership,
Speaker 3: from a volume aspect, you know, Jones and and Rogan.
Speaker 3: You know, they still bring in the aliens, and you
Speaker 3: know that the disclosure that's coming and all these things
Speaker 3: that will eventually lead to what Ronald Reagan put in
Speaker 3: people's ears forty years ago that if there was other
Speaker 3: an outside force, right that would unite the world, kind
Speaker 3: of an Independence Day type of situation, right, which would
Speaker 3: bring in a new world order.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: You know, this this Project Bluebeam, and we send our
Speaker 3: Space force to fight it, and we're victorious, and that
Speaker 3: ushers in, you know, the one world government. You know,
Speaker 3: that is something that I think that could be on
Speaker 3: the horizon.
Speaker 1: I mean, I agree with you too, and that's you know,
Speaker 1: I have I have a little guard now back. And
Speaker 1: you know, the wild food is what's great for me
Speaker 1: because I'll always be able to find that. You know,
Speaker 1: everything I gets, like pretty much within a fifteen minute
Speaker 1: radius in my house ninety percent into stuff. So I
Speaker 1: can always get that food, you know. And I have
Speaker 1: the but tane burner in the basement, the bags of rice,
Speaker 1: you know, the life straws. And you know, I think
Speaker 1: being a I think being a parent with this mentality
Speaker 1: it can be it's challenging sometimes because you want your
Speaker 1: your kid to get on board, which you know might
Speaker 1: not happen, But you also don't want to come off
Speaker 1: as l this this crazy person to your kid, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I it's it's a hard
Speaker 1: it's a hard line to walk sometimes, but I just
Speaker 1: tell them, you know, it's it's better to be prepared.
Speaker 1: It's best. Who cares if we never use it? Who cares?
Speaker 1: You know? But it's it's better to be prepared, because
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm with you. I do believe. I think
Speaker 1: in our lifetime we will see the attempt at the
Speaker 1: mark of the beast and you can't get it. And
Speaker 1: that's what I really have been preparing myself for. You
Speaker 1: can't get it. You can't. It's it's it's damnable. You
Speaker 1: can't get it. And so many people are going to
Speaker 1: get it, so many, so many pastors are going to
Speaker 1: lead their congregations to get it.
Speaker 3: You know, yep, because so many pastors have bought into scientism.
Speaker 3: Too many people pastors were just willing to close their churches.
Speaker 3: And that that was kind of my next question was
Speaker 3: have you been able to find a church that meets
Speaker 3: your needs or have you just not had any luck there?
Speaker 1: I'm glad you asked, because like in this journey, you know,
Speaker 1: it's things of the Bible are starting to bother me.
Speaker 1: And I didn't have a church, you know, and so
Speaker 1: I was going around from church to church in my area.
Speaker 1: I had a major problem with a Baptist church here,
Speaker 1: just you know. But then I have recently in September,
Speaker 1: I found a church that does work for me. And
Speaker 1: because you're supposed to go to church and you're supposed
Speaker 1: to fellowship, you know, and I I think I have
Speaker 1: realistic expectations of it, you know. I'm I think if
Speaker 1: you just went to this church and you didn't read
Speaker 1: the word on your own, and you didn't you didn't
Speaker 1: study on your own, then you're not going to get
Speaker 1: everything you need to live life, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But with my studying coupled with the worship at this church,
Speaker 1: and they have a good message. They're very nice people.
Speaker 1: You know, they're a bigger church. I'm surprised because I judged,
Speaker 1: and I judged it. I mean, it's five minutes from
Speaker 1: my house. Every time I drove by it, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like not the place for me. And then they
Speaker 1: do a prayer service on Wednesday nights, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, let me just go check this out.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was just like I was in tears
Speaker 1: within ten minutes, and like beautiful tears. You know. I
Speaker 1: was like, look at this place, because people worship at
Speaker 1: this church, and I love going and watching people worship
Speaker 1: in the times we live in. You know, it's so easy,
Speaker 1: es actually, when you get caught up and all these
Speaker 1: topics we're discussing, you know, it's really easy to like,
Speaker 1: it could be real easy without a sound soul, to
Speaker 1: go into a dark place, you know, and view the
Speaker 1: world as just as a as a dark place. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I go to this church and I just sit there
Speaker 1: sometimes and watch people. They you know, they lift their
Speaker 1: hands in the air, they yell, and they just can
Speaker 1: tell it's an authentic love for Jesus and it's not
Speaker 1: up to me to decide how passionate they are about
Speaker 1: their walk. Right. So I just love going to worship,
Speaker 1: and you know, I believe I'm being led into some
Speaker 1: kind of ministry through the food, which is where I'm
Speaker 1: at now. I have no interest in really running a
Speaker 1: restaurant anymore. I have no interest in just being perceived
Speaker 1: as it's almost like I feel like you can read
Speaker 1: articles about me, right, I almost feel like it's this
Speaker 1: character because it's not who I really am, ends up
Speaker 1: making you feel like a fraudulent person, you know, because
Speaker 1: why am I not living my true life? But then
Speaker 1: it's hard because, like I said, you talk to these
Speaker 1: publications and they do not want to hear any of it.
Speaker 1: They don't want to hear about how you know, Monsata,
Speaker 1: I mean you look at how much have you ever seen?
Speaker 1: So much food have listeria in your life? Every day
Speaker 1: you open the news, this has hysteria, that has hysteria.
Speaker 1: Maybe once or twice a year. Back in the day,
Speaker 1: growing up, you would hear about it. Now it's every day.
Speaker 1: Our food system is so destroyed right now, and then
Speaker 1: you you know, I can't even tell you, Like take
Speaker 1: veal cheeks for example, I used to pay four dollars
Speaker 1: and fifty cents for a veal cheek. You know, it's
Speaker 1: a good takes a little bit of work, but by
Speaker 1: the time it's done, I can make a good amount
Speaker 1: of money on a veal cheek. Right, got veal cheeks
Speaker 1: three weeks ago eighteen dollars and fifty cents a pound
Speaker 1: for the cheek for the cheek of a veal. I
Speaker 1: was at the restaurant store the other day, like you know,
Speaker 1: eggs and some flowers and stuff like that. One hundred
Speaker 1: and eight dollars for fifteen dozen eggs. Now that's wholesale.
Speaker 1: That's not a retail price. One hundred and eight dollars.
Speaker 1: How are you going to make money that way? Like,
Speaker 1: I still make money, Okay, I'm still successful. I don't
Speaker 1: care about money. I care about paying my bills, and
Speaker 1: I care about a certain lifestyle that I live, which
Speaker 1: is being a father and operate my business three days
Speaker 1: a week. I don't I work seven days a week,
Speaker 1: but I'm only open to the customers three days a week.
Speaker 1: That's my goal is to have enough money to keep
Speaker 1: doing that. But between the over the last five years,
Speaker 1: so much money has been taken out of my pocket
Speaker 1: by the government that it would just pick a number,
Speaker 1: say it's fifty thousand dollars, which it's not. It's a lot.
Speaker 1: More So if I'm still successful and I don't need
Speaker 1: that fifty thousand dollars, and like I said, I don't
Speaker 1: have a retirement fund or anything. If I put that
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars in a very safe fund for fifteen
Speaker 1: twenty years. Now, whatever that number is at the end, Now,
Speaker 1: that's the money that you took away from my future,
Speaker 1: from my son's future. And and it's it's hard not
Speaker 1: to get angry. I don't get angry because of my faith,
Speaker 1: but it's hard not to get angry that it's and
Speaker 1: it's you know, because it's like, well, what am I? Why? Why? Why?
Speaker 1: Why you view my life as that? And that's the
Speaker 1: government I'm talking about, you know, who are you to
Speaker 1: control me like that? Who are you to do that
Speaker 1: to my life? Like? Am I supposed to be walking
Speaker 1: around with a salt pan in my hand when I'm
Speaker 1: you know, seventy five years old? When I worked my
Speaker 1: whole life and I've had success, it did so the
Speaker 1: whole thing, you know, doesn't add up sometimes. But I
Speaker 1: used to be open six days a week, right. I
Speaker 1: used to do lunch. I used to do three dinners
Speaker 1: and I used to do two brunches because I didn't
Speaker 1: know what was going to stick. Okay, I was open
Speaker 1: all those hours. My highest gas and electric bill I
Speaker 1: ever had and all that time was like six hundred
Speaker 1: and ninety dollars okay, this summer, and I'm only open
Speaker 1: three nights a week now, I do have customers in
Speaker 1: my restaurant for about seventeen hours a week. Okay, and
Speaker 1: I'm prepping and I'm cooking, But nothing that's changed. I
Speaker 1: make less than I used on everything. I had a
Speaker 1: nine hundred and summidd dollar gas and electric bill at
Speaker 1: the restaurant, nine hundred dollars, nine hundred dollars, one hundred
Speaker 1: and eight dollars for eggs, eighteen fifty for veal cheek
Speaker 1: scalps used to be seventeen ninety nine. They're forty five
Speaker 1: dollars a pound right now. And it this so you
Speaker 1: have the choice to either not use high quality ingredients
Speaker 1: and use garbage. And that's what you're selling the people,
Speaker 1: and that's what's getting people sick. You cut corners, or
Speaker 1: you know, you go out of business, Like, what is
Speaker 1: the point? I worked thirteen hours yesterday. I'm forty five
Speaker 1: years old. I worked thirteen hours yesterday. I left my
Speaker 1: house at ten o'clock in the morning. I didn't get
Speaker 1: home till twelve thirty because I had to go to
Speaker 1: Philly to pick up my fish. I had to commute home.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I washed all my own
Speaker 1: dishes at my restaurant because after the pandemic, I'm not
Speaker 1: getting duck in a situ and like I have a byob,
Speaker 1: there's china, there's wine glasses, white wine, red wine. You know,
Speaker 1: it's that type of restaurant. I'm washing all my own dishes,
Speaker 1: I'm cooking all my own stuff because I'm not getting
Speaker 1: stuck in that position again where the government's going to
Speaker 1: tell me I'm on the hook for an employee. I'm
Speaker 1: on the hook for an employee. And now I'm supposed
Speaker 1: to pay on top of all those prices I just
Speaker 1: told you, as a small business owner, I'm supposed to
Speaker 1: pay somebody twenty twenty five dollars an hour for a
Speaker 1: menial job. What is the point of me owning a business?
Speaker 1: And that's what it's really coming down to. And I
Speaker 1: think it's a it's a slow bleed on mom and
Speaker 1: pops small businesses. And it's so sad to watch you
Speaker 1: drive by these places and you see them little by
Speaker 1: little they're closing, you know, month by month. And that
Speaker 1: was the dream. Like I have a thirteen year old kid,
Speaker 1: what's his dream gonna be? How's he going to afford rent?
Speaker 1: How's he going to afford? Listen? I moved out to
Speaker 1: la when I was like twenty to play music, surf
Speaker 1: and smoke weed. Okay, is that a good life decision now?
Speaker 1: But I took a risk, and now I own a
Speaker 1: house and a business. I was able to make a
Speaker 1: bad life decision or two in the past, you know,
Speaker 1: and still bounce back. I don't see how my son
Speaker 1: does that anymore, which is why I try to bring
Speaker 1: him to the truth. Why I try to tell him,
Speaker 1: you have to be smarter than the other people in
Speaker 1: these respects, because it's almost like warfare on your life.
Speaker 1: One soul to hell is a success for them, you know,
Speaker 1: that's what they want. They want you to give up.
Speaker 1: They want you to go to the bar. They want
Speaker 1: you to be unhappy and go go outside your marriage.
Speaker 1: They want you to be addicted to drugs. They want
Speaker 1: you to be that. I don't care if they have
Speaker 1: a program to help you when you're on that, that's
Speaker 1: just a smoke strom. Their goal is to get you
Speaker 1: to not believe in Jesus, to not have hope. It's
Speaker 1: all disgusting, horrible things, right.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent? And if you think about it. What
Speaker 3: do they push? They push gambling, especially if you watch sports.
Speaker 3: Everything is based on gambling now. And that's I know,
Speaker 3: we talked a little bit before we hit the record button.
Speaker 3: We're both within the Philadelphia region and they're in the
Speaker 3: Super Bowl, but everything is like fan duel and all
Speaker 3: of this other stuff. They want to normalize gambling. Here
Speaker 3: in Delaware. They have made it so easy for anybody
Speaker 3: to get a marijuana card. There's dispensaries all over the
Speaker 3: place here. They've normalized that, and it's just an interesting
Speaker 3: road we're going down. I'll never forget speaking of the
Speaker 3: wages people have to pay today. A couple of years ago,
Speaker 3: going through the drive through with Duncan Donuts just to
Speaker 3: grab a quick cup of coffee, and they had signs
Speaker 3: plastered all over their grass. We need help now, starting
Speaker 3: at seventeen dollars an hour to work at Dunkin Donuts.
Speaker 3: And I remember when I was fifteen sixteen working at
Speaker 3: the local deli for three thirty five an hour and
Speaker 3: being grateful, you know, busting my behind or at my
Speaker 3: grandparents' car a lot, you know, for three fifteen hour
Speaker 3: whatever it was, and to see the jump so quick
Speaker 3: you realize that they are. That was one of the
Speaker 3: other aspects of COVID was to rate hikes so high
Speaker 3: that mom and pop can't afford not only to pay
Speaker 3: the wages, but on top of that, you have to
Speaker 3: pay there you have to match taxes, which a lot
Speaker 3: of people who've never had a business before don't quite understand.
Speaker 3: It's very expensive to have help anymore. And hear in
Speaker 3: your story and trying to picture you take orders, cook wash,
Speaker 3: do dishes and everything else. It must be overwhelming.
Speaker 1: It is. But like I said, Jesus gets me through.
Speaker 1: You know, I made that decision. You know, like I said,
Speaker 1: a metal supernatural. If they didn't meet him like that,
Speaker 1: you know, the spirit came over me. I said, I
Speaker 1: was in the I mean, if you want to know
Speaker 1: the story, it's I was. I picked the Bible back
Speaker 1: up again because, as I said, my mother was a teacher.
Speaker 1: My mother was an atheist. My love, she loved that
Speaker 1: author Isaac Isaac Isamov or whatever. Everything was space. We
Speaker 1: are all just dust. The only religious experience I had
Speaker 1: growing up was really the Catholic Church. The only reason
Speaker 1: she sent us there was so we could get married
Speaker 1: in a church. One day. So after my son though,
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, I bought a Bible and
Speaker 1: I said, I'm going to read this and then I'm
Speaker 1: going to decide, right, I said, how am I? How
Speaker 1: am I? As an adult man now I have a son,
Speaker 1: I'm going to just say this isn't true unless I
Speaker 1: read it. I'm going to make up my own mind.
Speaker 1: And I was reading it, and you know the things
Speaker 1: about how he always provides for the birds and bees,
Speaker 1: so how will he not for us? And the thing
Speaker 1: that really struck home for me was, though, it's like
Speaker 1: you missed people. I think the hardest thing for religion,
Speaker 1: and like I went down the wormhole you can it
Speaker 1: got so confused, But it's so simple. It doesn't say
Speaker 1: your prayers will be answered. It doesn't say you will
Speaker 1: always have what you want. It doesn't say you won't
Speaker 1: have struggles. But it says Jesus Christ will always be
Speaker 1: there for you. And when I read that, something hit
Speaker 1: in me. And a day came where my son was still,
Speaker 1: you know, like at the nap age. So I would
Speaker 1: drive to this backfield by me and I was reading
Speaker 1: my Bible while I was sleeping in my pickup truck,
Speaker 1: and something came over me said get out of your
Speaker 1: truck and just go to the middle of the field.
Speaker 1: And when I went there, I broke down in tears.
Speaker 1: I had the most beautiful feeling, and I said, I said,
Speaker 1: I'm done. I'm done. I'm done trying to do this life.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm done trying to make the decisions and
Speaker 1: make this work because I can't. And I gave my
Speaker 1: life to Jesus right there. But like I said, I
Speaker 1: was confused in religion, like so many people are. I mean,
Speaker 1: you think just because you're like, oh, I believe in Jesus,
Speaker 1: you think you're saved and you think you're good, or
Speaker 1: you think there's nothing more. There is so much more
Speaker 1: of a relationship that you can have. There is so
Speaker 1: much more of of of of a beautiful relationship with
Speaker 1: Jesus than we have been told. And it's been changed,
Speaker 1: and it's been changed in the Bibles, and it's been
Speaker 1: changed by the Catholic Church, and it's been changed over
Speaker 1: so many times. And then you you factor in, you know,
Speaker 1: the globe theory. I love calling it the globe theory.
Speaker 1: It makes some people meant, you factor that in, and
Speaker 1: then you factor you know, I always say to people.
Speaker 1: One thing I say to people when I do talk
Speaker 1: to them about I'm like the blank of evolution theory,
Speaker 1: the blank of gravity theory, the big bang want theory. Well,
Speaker 1: then these are all theories. Why do you take them?
Speaker 1: But you're gonna you're gonna some people will slam me
Speaker 1: because I believe in the Bible and oh, oh that
Speaker 1: was just written by a bunch of guys, or you know,
Speaker 1: you get that whole thing, because that's also been ingrained
Speaker 1: in people. That's also what you're fighting with with the Bible,
Speaker 1: that it's oh, it's just a bunch of guys. I
Speaker 1: had somebody tell me the other a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Oh you take it too literally. That's dangerous. I'm dangerous then,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, I don't know. But
Speaker 1: these theories, it's all these theories that everybody just takes
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, that's that's true. Now, the word
Speaker 1: theory does not mean fact, you know.
Speaker 3: And I'm quick when people say that. Yeah, I'm quick
Speaker 3: to say, you know, who are we to judge God's word?
Speaker 3: God's word is clear, it is has been written, and
Speaker 3: like you said, it has changed. And that's why I'm
Speaker 3: leary to use any additions other than King James, because
Speaker 3: as a guest a week or two, you know, clearly
Speaker 3: stated that, you know, you look at the ESV versus
Speaker 3: the King James version, the word firmament is not used,
Speaker 3: and just the that one word missing can people lead
Speaker 3: to not understanding how are you know Biblical cosmology is
Speaker 3: created by the way. I'm glad you brought up Isaac
Speaker 3: Assa because he's come up once or twice over the
Speaker 3: last couple of years. He's known as one of the
Speaker 3: big three science fiction writers along with Heinlen and Clark.
Speaker 3: But this guy Asimov was also the president of the
Speaker 3: what's it called the Humanist Associate, the American Humanist Association,
Speaker 3: and their logo is good without a God, that's interesting,
Speaker 3: and that that's yeah.
Speaker 1: And I grew. I mean, my mother loved that Star
Speaker 1: Trek Next Generation. So I mean, like I said, I always,
Speaker 1: ever since I answered that question, there was a I
Speaker 1: never really I kind of always had an idea that
Speaker 1: it was flat, you know, because it doesn't make sense,
Speaker 1: like you talk about on your show. You know, it
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense, like how can I be picking a
Speaker 1: verry and the smallest little bug flies up off of
Speaker 1: a leief like is that like the strongest little bug
Speaker 1: in the world that I've ever seen, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's And I also think some of the dangers in
Speaker 1: all this stuff is there's there's people take it a
Speaker 1: little too far with certain things. I think. I try
Speaker 1: to to keep my understanding of it all as much
Speaker 1: as I can, and a faith in Jesus like a
Speaker 1: child like, you know, I don't try to stretch too
Speaker 1: far away from from what the Bible says.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I came to this truth. I don't need to dig
Speaker 1: deeper into this truth, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: don't need there to be all these other things underneath us,
Speaker 1: or more lands, or if there are there are. I'm
Speaker 1: not putting anybody down that believes in that. But I
Speaker 1: believe that we're on a flat plane with four pillars,
Speaker 1: with the waters above and below. I'm good with that.
Speaker 1: That's what it. It says, you know, And it also
Speaker 1: says that, you know, how is Jesus going to peel
Speaker 1: back the firmament and revelation if there's no firmament? How's
Speaker 1: he going to do that? That's right, you know, And
Speaker 1: it's like to bring back back to the church, like
Speaker 1: I'd met with them last week because I told them
Speaker 1: I'm really having a feeling of getting into ministry. And
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about being a preacher. I just know
Speaker 1: my life is leading me to a point where why
Speaker 1: why did I come? Why did I learn about all
Speaker 1: this food? I mean, I've served over. I make my
Speaker 1: own sea salt, I make my own flour from acorn flour,
Speaker 1: I get seaweeds, you name it, I get it off
Speaker 1: in a while over. And the other thing with that
Speaker 1: is when I first found it, like started doing it,
Speaker 1: it's not technically legal to do to serve to people.
Speaker 1: You can buy it. I can buy wild ingredient a
Speaker 1: from a purveyor because they did all their government stuff
Speaker 1: like licensing and this and that. But for me to
Speaker 1: go out into the wild and pick it and not
Speaker 1: serve and serve it, there's no it boils down to
Speaker 1: a supply chain in taxes. I'm not paying taxes on it.
Speaker 1: And like that's the funny thing with like I get both.
Speaker 1: I get from as far right to as far left
Speaker 1: as you kind of come to my restaurant. And a
Speaker 1: lot of people would assume that I'm like the flower
Speaker 1: loving you know the trees talk to me kind of guy,
Speaker 1: when like, in reality, I'm an entrepreneur and like like
Speaker 1: I'm getting this product for free and I'm selling it
Speaker 1: to you, you know what I mean. So the legality
Speaker 1: of it was something that was hard for me at
Speaker 1: first because I was like, am I going to get
Speaker 1: in trouble for this? Is the state going to find out?
Speaker 1: What are the repercussions going to be? But then you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like I build up enough of a track
Speaker 1: record and I'm willing if it ever came to it,
Speaker 1: I would. I would fight it, you know, I would.
Speaker 1: Why I got to pay twenty four to ninety nine
Speaker 1: pound for product when I can go ten minutes from
Speaker 1: my house and pick up myself and it's fresher and
Speaker 1: it's cleaner. You know, I know where it's coming from.
Speaker 1: You know. That's why the whole farm to table movement
Speaker 1: in my industry was it's all buzzwords. Sometimes you know
Speaker 1: a farm and the table, okay, everything comes from a farm, okay,
Speaker 1: And like you don't know how that farm treated that produce.
Speaker 2: You don't know.
Speaker 1: Anything about it, but just because you slapped you know,
Speaker 1: Johnny Depp's farm on the potato. Is that does that
Speaker 1: mean that's good for me? And like, as a chef,
Speaker 1: I've always I try to take people's health into it.
Speaker 1: I have filtered reverse osmosis. What are at my restaurant? Now?
Speaker 1: Can I Can I do other things now? I can't
Speaker 1: afford to, but I can serve them high quality on
Speaker 1: adult proteins and high quality wild ingredients, which is the
Speaker 1: best food source for us. Which if you read the Bible,
Speaker 1: it's I believe that God gave us all the food
Speaker 1: we need to survive if we weren't three D, or
Speaker 1: we weren't doing construction everywhere building a coals every ten minutes.
Speaker 1: And I also believe, which I'm starting to really study
Speaker 1: now and like, is that he also gave us, through
Speaker 1: these plants, all the medicine we need. Now I'm not like,
Speaker 1: don't go to the doctor. If you need to go
Speaker 1: to the doctor, go to the doctor. But like I
Speaker 1: got bit by a tick getting some bay leaves the
Speaker 1: night before Thanksgiving, right, never get bit by ticks. I
Speaker 1: usually feel them on me. I was at the table
Speaker 1: with my son that night. I felt something. I should
Speaker 1: have got up. I always get up. I didn't get
Speaker 1: up Two days later, I'm in the shower. I got
Speaker 1: a tick and bed.
Speaker 2: In my arm.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm like, oh man. A week later, got a
Speaker 1: bad rash coming on from where I bit me. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, ah, geez, it's the beginning of lime disease. Right.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, I'm like, let me look up
Speaker 1: natural remedies for lime disease. And I came across Japanese
Speaker 1: not we, which is an edible plant that I don't
Speaker 1: serve because I don't deem it. You know, my restaurant
Speaker 1: gets compared to like the best restaurants in the area,
Speaker 1: so I only try to use choice edibles there. Right,
Speaker 1: that's the term for him, the best of the best.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my gosh, Japanese not weed has a
Speaker 1: restaural in it. It's the same ingredient in the antibiotic.
Speaker 1: I said, let me try it for a week and
Speaker 1: if the rash doesn't go away, I'll go to the doctor.
Speaker 1: What do you think the rash did? Rash went away
Speaker 1: and crash got cured by plant. So like, when you
Speaker 1: really start understanding that and really start seeing that we
Speaker 1: have been given everything we need as people, We've been
Speaker 1: given instruction we've been given food, we've been given medicine.
Speaker 1: Where natural plants can't cure you, somebody has been given
Speaker 1: the knowledge to cure you through higher matters.
Speaker 3: You know, that's great, and I did want to go
Speaker 3: back in touch on two things. Number One, we've noticed,
Speaker 3: my wife and I how much the food quality has
Speaker 3: gone down and the prices haven't changed. But but you know,
Speaker 3: behind the scenes, it's obvious that you know, you guys,
Speaker 3: the restaurant owners, the wholesale prices have gone up. So
Speaker 3: in order to maintain you either have to well there's
Speaker 3: you have a two courses. You a you get that
Speaker 3: can continue to pay more for the higher quality, which
Speaker 3: means you have to charge the customers more, or be
Speaker 3: if you want to maintain the prices, you have to
Speaker 3: use a lower quality meat. We went to a chain
Speaker 3: restaurant about three weeks ago. We rarely go out, but
Speaker 3: we went to a Texas roadhouse. We got their their
Speaker 3: their best steak on the menu and it was one
Speaker 3: of the worst steaks I've ever had in my life.
Speaker 3: And I told the wait to look at this. This
Speaker 3: is a horrible chewy cut and she she just was like,
Speaker 3: that's been par for the course for the last year.
Speaker 3: It's just shocking to me that people are accepting this,
Speaker 3: especially when you go out and you're paying one hundred
Speaker 3: and twenty five dollars for two people to eat.
Speaker 1: That's insane. I don't know how people were doing it.
Speaker 1: I've I don't have a menu. I do something that's
Speaker 1: called a tasting menu, so you get five savory courses
Speaker 1: in one dessert. So I don't really have a menu.
Speaker 1: And I raised my price ten dollars last year. They
Speaker 1: only pricing for ten hours because I don't, like I said,
Speaker 1: I don't do it for I'd rather have I have
Speaker 1: people that come to my restaurant, like I don't haven't
Speaker 1: got my phone in two years, because like the amount
Speaker 1: of regulars I have, right, and I have four or
Speaker 1: five tables. I do four or five tables a night,
Speaker 1: three nights a week. I'm not like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: not like that. So my goal is to always have
Speaker 1: those four or five tables full of people that absolutely
Speaker 1: love what I do and support me, which is what
Speaker 1: I've done. So I don't do it for the money,
Speaker 1: but I think about it sometimes and like people are
Speaker 1: always like, you could charge more, you should get more.
Speaker 1: You should do this, like everybody always wants to tell
Speaker 1: you how to run your business or you're life. And
Speaker 1: it's like listen, man, like I love knowing that come June,
Speaker 1: my restaurant's full and I don't have to worry about that.
Speaker 1: I have a rough idea how much money's coming in yet.
Speaker 1: But that ten dollars, you know that ten dollars. This
Speaker 1: goes up fifty bucks, this goes up seventy five bucks
Speaker 1: to ten dollars is gone. Like it's if I wanted
Speaker 1: to make what I originally made when not before the pandemic,
Speaker 1: I would have to charge double what I charge now,
Speaker 1: double what I charge now. Nobody is coming to my
Speaker 1: restaurant and paying double what I charge now, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So it's go out of business, take
Speaker 1: a loss, or or you know that that's the situation.
Speaker 1: I mean as a small business owner. And don't I know,
Speaker 1: I'm not eleone, but and it's like you said, and
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, I do find nining food, that's
Speaker 1: what they call it. I'm not like that. I don't care.
Speaker 1: I don't I'm very humble. I do what I do,
Speaker 1: like I told you from my son, just because there's
Speaker 1: a pizza shop. It doesn't mean the guy to open
Speaker 1: the pizza shop doesn't want to use the highest quality
Speaker 1: can tomatoes. He doesn't want to use the highest quality cheese.
Speaker 1: You know, but maybe he can't now and it's this
Speaker 1: vastness like James Beard doesn't want to talk about the
Speaker 1: psychological effects that the pandemic had on a chef, Like
Speaker 1: they don't want to talk about what it's like for
Speaker 1: a chef that's done this his whole life to have
Speaker 1: to now sacrifice quality. You know that that takes a
Speaker 1: toll on you as a person, and you could start
Speaker 1: feeling like you're ripping people off. And who granted some
Speaker 1: people want to do that, right, but for the people
Speaker 1: that don't want to rip people off and they just
Speaker 1: want to make a living and honest living and be
Speaker 1: their own boss. Like, there's nothing like being your own boss.
Speaker 1: I worked for a major restaurant company in Philadelphia for
Speaker 1: six years. You know, corporate chefs, directors this that that
Speaker 1: work work, thanksgiving it work, We need you to come
Speaker 1: in on your day off. I did all that because
Speaker 1: I was trying to build a resume. But now now
Speaker 1: you're in a position where it's like well, I don't
Speaker 1: have a choice but to kind of use this cheaper
Speaker 1: cheese and this substandard tomato, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And it's it takes a toll on you. You have
Speaker 1: you're the one that has to go home at night
Speaker 1: and put your head on the bill and say, did
Speaker 1: I did I provide for people what I set out
Speaker 1: to provide for them? Or am I just living for money?
Speaker 1: Or you know, and it's it shouldn't have to be
Speaker 1: like that, not for why it happened. Maybe you made
Speaker 1: a mistake as a person and the situation's personalized, and
Speaker 1: that's your fault. There's a lot of people right now
Speaker 1: going through things in my industry that it's not our fault.
Speaker 1: It got forced upon us by a government and by
Speaker 1: people that Okay, I can't I can't work from home
Speaker 1: from a computer, you know what I mean. Or it's like,
Speaker 1: oh well, just do takeout, just make hamburgers. Go. I
Speaker 1: don't want to make ham It's it's not what I
Speaker 1: did with my life. Why what do you mean? Just
Speaker 1: make hamburgers? Just do takeout? Who are you to tell
Speaker 1: me what I'm gonna cook? Now? I'm gonna cook like
Speaker 1: I gotta. I got a good one for you. Like
Speaker 1: I'm currently getting ordered it by the State of New Jersey,
Speaker 1: not not for finances, for for my payroll. So I
Speaker 1: pay myself. And it's always been this way. When you're
Speaker 1: self employed, you pay yourself. I pay myself by a
Speaker 1: check and then I pay all my taxes in April, right,
Speaker 1: I pay off my gross. That's that's how it is.
Speaker 1: I pay my full thirty percent in April. I pay
Speaker 1: my fifteen and my fifteen Okay to got ordered it
Speaker 1: two three years ago. The State of New Jersey wants
Speaker 1: me as a self employed person, and it's never been
Speaker 1: this way to pay into you know, like unemployment, Medicare
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. They want me Like I'm getting
Speaker 1: a normal paycheck. I don't. I can't afford to give
Speaker 1: myself a paycheck every week, Okay, So I can't set
Speaker 1: up I'm gonna pay fill five hundred dollars a week.
Speaker 1: The money's not always there. Sometimes I want to spend
Speaker 1: extra on inventory, you name it, right, So they're coming
Speaker 1: to me telling me that I need to pay into
Speaker 1: that system. But in New Jersey, as a self employeed person,
Speaker 1: I can't take out of that system. So you want
Speaker 1: me to pay into something that I can't take out of.
Speaker 1: But the problem and the point I'm trying to make
Speaker 1: is the way I see that as you're now telling
Speaker 1: me as a business owner, how I have to pay myself,
Speaker 1: Like get out of my business. That is the main
Speaker 1: thing that came to me and this whole thing. Get
Speaker 1: get out of my business. Just let me round my business.
Speaker 1: I pay my taxes the way it's set up, and
Speaker 1: that's that my count As the guy doing the case,
Speaker 1: he's like, what is this and they're hitting a bunch
Speaker 1: of people in the area. He goes, was something new
Speaker 1: we're doing. He's like, well, what is it? He goes,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just something new we're doing, so,
Speaker 1: you know, and I can't get an answer on it.
Speaker 1: The interest builds and it's like so it's like they
Speaker 1: want to shut you down. They want to tell you
Speaker 1: what you can serve. They want you to you know,
Speaker 1: they push all this nonsense with like you know this,
Speaker 1: like don't even get me started on lap room me
Speaker 1: and now you want to tell me how I have
Speaker 1: to pay myself. And it's just the government overreach is
Speaker 1: just it's out of control anymore. It's just it's just
Speaker 1: out of control anymore. And I'm not I wasn't like
Speaker 1: that before, Like I'm like, all right, yeah, it's got
Speaker 1: to be. There's gonna be a government blah blah blah whatever.
Speaker 1: But now it's just like you can't get away from it.
Speaker 1: It's just it's in everything. It's NonStop. Like it's so
Speaker 1: hard just to like be a guy that has a garden,
Speaker 1: pick wild food and have a restaurant. I have three
Speaker 1: tables three nights a week. Do you know how hard
Speaker 1: it's been just to do three, not three tables, four
Speaker 1: to five tables three nights a week. Do you know
Speaker 1: how hard that's been. Think about that, I do forty
Speaker 1: to fifty people a week, and it's been the greatest
Speaker 1: struggle ever. Why not because me, not because of the customers,
Speaker 1: but because of the government. That's horrible, you know.
Speaker 3: And really the government should be such a small minute
Speaker 3: part of our life. But I think what you just
Speaker 3: described really gives more evidence and lends more credence to
Speaker 3: the fact that they are trying to get rid of
Speaker 3: the middleman. They're trying to get rid of all the
Speaker 3: mom and pop places. They want to beat you down
Speaker 3: and just they want people to give up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just I never will.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: You asked me earlier what it was like with the
Speaker 1: pandemic and everything, and I mean, there's two ways to
Speaker 1: look at It was sad, it was frustrating. It was this.
Speaker 1: It was that, like I said, I leaned on Jesus
Speaker 1: and like when you have that mentality, Okay, I got
Speaker 1: through it. I was able to have my sonnet my
Speaker 1: own business with me doing homeschooling while I was working.
Speaker 1: If I had a job, that wouldn't happened. And for me,
Speaker 1: I mean, the main thing it allowed me to do
Speaker 1: was I did not There was no way, no way
Speaker 1: I was getting that vaccine. There was no way, and
Speaker 1: like I know, people had to I was at I
Speaker 1: would have closed my business. There was no way I
Speaker 1: was getting something. Was just you know, it smelled off
Speaker 1: to me, you know what I mean, whatever expression you
Speaker 1: want to use. I was like, no, I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not getting it. And I wasn't at the full flat
Speaker 1: earth thing yet, even though I had that original thought
Speaker 1: and everything, I wasn't doing all this research yet. And
Speaker 1: I you know, I hear that you say a lot
Speaker 1: that they overplayed their hand and like they did like
Speaker 1: they did for if you're a critical thinker, and like
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people were like whoa. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, like you say, like you know,
Speaker 1: Trump's back in, like customer last night, Oh oh, You're
Speaker 1: going to open a restaurant in Gaza, Like it's not funny,
Speaker 1: Like do you understand that they're trying to create greater
Speaker 1: Israel and like they want to like the New World Order,
Speaker 1: Like it's not funny, like but you know, it is
Speaker 1: what it is, man, this is this is the world
Speaker 1: we live in. And that's why you know, I really
Speaker 1: i'd like the community that you've created. I don't know
Speaker 1: how big it is or anything, but like I said,
Speaker 1: I want to come on to the show. I want
Speaker 1: it to be as honest as I could about different
Speaker 1: topics and and that's how I wanted to get back
Speaker 1: to it because I really appreciate what you do because
Speaker 1: like I mean, like there is a little bit of
Speaker 1: fear that that goes into it if if you let it,
Speaker 1: Like is somebody gonna come knocking on my door? Not
Speaker 1: like the Philadelphia Inquire anybody, But like you know, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't trust the powers that be at all,
Speaker 1: Like is somebody gonna come to my house and tell
Speaker 1: me I can't do this now, I can't do that now,
Speaker 1: or drag you away or you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I give you, I give you a ton of
Speaker 1: credit for what you do, but I mean the amount
Speaker 1: of the amount of knowledge that you you just make
Speaker 1: easily shareable is just it's just great. It's it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's different. I've listened to a couple other people and
Speaker 1: it's like ten minutes in, I'm just like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: like I can't do it. You know. It's all the music,
Speaker 1: it's the screaming, it's the to that. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: just relax and get to the point, man, you know.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what you do. And I think
Speaker 1: it's a great talent.
Speaker 3: I greatly appreciate that. I really do. I wanted to
Speaker 3: ask you one more question before we start to wind down,
Speaker 3: and this is, I guess more advice for the listeners.
Speaker 3: If people are interested in, you know, forging for their
Speaker 3: own wild food, is there any advice or any place
Speaker 3: where you could direct them to get that knowledge.
Speaker 1: I would say, first, be careful. It is dangerous. It's
Speaker 1: not as dangerous as the government tells you they try
Speaker 1: and scare people away from it. The best place to
Speaker 1: start is and a lot of different towns have this.
Speaker 1: They're called wild food groups and they'll meet up three
Speaker 1: or four times a year and it's just random people
Speaker 1: meeting up sharing information. It also all depends on how
Speaker 1: you learn. I don't learn well from reading or a
Speaker 1: book like that. If somebody would show me something, I'll
Speaker 1: never forget it. You know, show me how to build
Speaker 1: a ship, I'll build ten more. Give me instructions to
Speaker 1: build a shed. You ain't gonna get a shed. And
Speaker 1: if you get into it, just be careful and try
Speaker 1: a little bit of a time and be one hundred
Speaker 1: percent sure that's what you have. And also don't feel
Speaker 1: like you need to learn every single thing at once.
Speaker 1: Learn If you learn three things a year over the
Speaker 1: next five years, you'll have fifteen things right. And it'll
Speaker 1: accelerate as time goes on, because you'll be picking a
Speaker 1: berry and you'll see a plan. You'll say what's that
Speaker 1: and you'll say, oh, well, that's that, and I come
Speaker 1: back in August for that, and then something new will
Speaker 1: be next to that, so it accelerates. But just get
Speaker 1: into it. Slowly, be careful, make sure your ID is
Speaker 1: one hundred percent spot on, because you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of people say mushrooms are the most dangerous thing, and
Speaker 1: there are dangerous mushrooms. Don't get me wrong that i'll
Speaker 1: you know, destroy your kidneys and livers. But there's also
Speaker 1: some greens out there that will stop you your heart
Speaker 1: because they have a chemical in it. And there are
Speaker 1: a lot of look alikes like the thing I pick
Speaker 1: up north from me. It's called a ramp. It's a
Speaker 1: wild and wild leak. It looks like to the untrained eye,
Speaker 1: a lily of the valley, which is toxic. So everything
Speaker 1: it's it's strange though, how like you know God did that,
Speaker 1: how he like gave this edible thing, and then there's
Speaker 1: a look alike. You know, it's it's almost without fail
Speaker 1: with so many things that here's the edible version, and
Speaker 1: then here's the lookalike, and they're usually out right around
Speaker 1: the same time. So just respect it and study it
Speaker 1: like you would a course. Like it's not it's not
Speaker 1: something to really mess around with. And I don't advocate
Speaker 1: that they got this some app Now you point it,
Speaker 1: you point it at a plant that tells you what
Speaker 1: it is or something if I don't suggest using that
Speaker 1: because I don't trust technology per se.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that can be flawed. And I will tell
Speaker 3: you while you were talking, I just did a quick
Speaker 3: cirt and it looks like Facebook may actually be a tool.
Speaker 3: I found the Delaware Forging and Wild Foods. It's a
Speaker 3: group of the eight hundred members and they discuss gathering food, nuts, fruits, berries, herbs,
Speaker 3: wild greens, et cetera. So if you are interested, maybe
Speaker 3: see if there's a Facebook group in your area.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guarantee there is. I mean, or I
Speaker 1: know there's Mycological Associations also in every state. But they
Speaker 1: don't just focus on edibles. They focus on like the
Speaker 1: scientific aspect. But you can still go and learn some edibles.
Speaker 1: But if your goal is just edible food, then the
Speaker 1: wild food groups are the best. And I guarantee you
Speaker 1: that they're all over. I mean, I know there's like
Speaker 1: three where I live Philadelphia, there's a South Jersey, there's
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like, just go to a meetup and
Speaker 1: start learning and you never know, you meet you.
Speaker 3: Know, absolutely, it's been an absolute pleasure chatting with you.
Speaker 3: I wish you all the best. I applaud your bravery
Speaker 3: and everything you've had to deal with. You continue to
Speaker 3: do things. You're away with your head held high. So
Speaker 3: before we close, I always like to give our guests
Speaker 3: the last word. Anything else you'd like to add, sir,
Speaker 3: I think, I.
Speaker 1: Think I'm good, just you know, keep your faith in Jesus,
Speaker 1: and you know that's all you really need in this world.
Speaker 1: And I came to that. I truly came to it
Speaker 1: two years ago. Like I said, I thirteen years ago.
Speaker 1: I accepted them. But there's much more to it even
Speaker 1: that than we've been led to believe. And when you
Speaker 1: finally get there, it's it's just the most overwhelming piece
Speaker 1: that you can have all the distractions go away. It
Speaker 1: gets hard sometimes though, because here you are in this peace,
Speaker 1: in this distracted world, and it can be lonely sometimes
Speaker 1: in that respect. But it's better to be lonely in
Speaker 1: that respect and have one hundred distracted people around you,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's just my opinion.
Speaker 3: The great more, thank you again so much for joining us.
Speaker 3: I greatly appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Oh thanks for having me. I was really looking forward to.
Speaker 3: It absolutely, And again to all our listeners, thank you
Speaker 3: so much for your continued support of the Flat Earth Files. Again,
Speaker 3: if you'd like to reach out to fill his email address.
Speaker 3: We'll be in the show notes as usual, as well
Speaker 3: as everything else we discussed today. Look forward to our
Speaker 3: next interview. God bless you all. Have a great week.
Speaker 3: God bless you, and until we meet again, my friends,
Speaker 3: we will see you.
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