Speaker 1: This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
Speaker 1: AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2: President Trump has announced that he is scheduled to speak
Speaker 2: with Russian President Vladimir Putin tomorrow as we have these
Speaker 2: efforts to try to endless war and Ukraine. Trump talked
Speaker 2: about it when he was flying from Florida to DC
Speaker 2: last night on Air Force One. The Kremlin has confirmed
Speaker 2: that they will be planning that phone call. Trump said
Speaker 2: that land and power plants are part of the conversation
Speaker 2: around ending the war in Ukraine, whatever sort of a
Speaker 2: deal is worked out between the two countries.
Speaker 1: There was an interesting article in the Wall Street Journal,
Speaker 1: and it's not a new concept. It's know what our
Speaker 1: history is, so we don't repeat it or learn from
Speaker 1: our mistakes that we've learned from in the past. Things
Speaker 1: of that nature. Anyway, was an opinion piece. Peggy Union,
Speaker 1: I believe, was the author. I believe, and it's about
Speaker 1: how Upton Sinclair, whose house, by the way is in Monrovia.
Speaker 1: If you didn't know, I did not on myrtle anyway
Speaker 1: about Upton Sinclair's I believe it is. I could be
Speaker 1: wrong about that, but I think I think I'm right
Speaker 1: about that anyway. Update in Sinclair's book, The Jungle, Now,
Speaker 1: The Jungle is about the meat packing industry in Chicago
Speaker 1: back at the turn of the century nineteen o six,
Speaker 1: I believe, is when it was published, and it's all
Speaker 1: about going undercover and digging into the meat packing industry
Speaker 1: and the early advent of the FDA and why we
Speaker 1: need a government agency, and why we need government agencies,
Speaker 1: and how yes there's a need for them, but they
Speaker 1: just got way out of control, and that the answer
Speaker 1: is somewhere probably in the middle. Anyway. So I thought
Speaker 1: that was fascinating when it comes to that that book
Speaker 1: and that industry in particular as it relates to what's
Speaker 1: going on with DOGE. But before we get there, you.
Speaker 2: Were saying something about why my parties are not good.
Speaker 1: That's not true, I said. The reason, the topic of the
Speaker 1: reasons I don't want to go to.
Speaker 2: Parties, the topic is that parties seem to be dying out,
Speaker 2: not doing parties like we used to.
Speaker 1: I loved your super Bowl party. I love your Super
Speaker 1: Bowl parties, and I love them because we get together
Speaker 1: with people that we see just at work doing work stuff.
Speaker 1: But we also see people we used to work with
Speaker 1: or that we see from time to time, and you
Speaker 1: just say, hang out and just have some time not
Speaker 1: to talk about work stuff or whatever, talk s or
Speaker 1: what have you. And I do enjoy them. Now, what
Speaker 1: I don't enjoys people on their phones. And I noticed
Speaker 1: that and I won't name names, but it was driving
Speaker 1: me insane because you're there and you're with a group
Speaker 1: of it's not like there's a shortage of I mean,
Speaker 1: even if you're with five people, it's root if somebody's
Speaker 1: just on their phone, you know, And I get it,
Speaker 1: you're watching the super and you want to see what's trending,
Speaker 1: and like that's one thing, but like if you're just
Speaker 1: like on your phone, I don't know, it's just rude
Speaker 1: to me. It's rude when I see children do it.
Speaker 1: It's almost more annoying when I see adults do it
Speaker 1: all the time.
Speaker 2: Well, and it's very funny that you mentioned that we
Speaker 2: had friends over on Friday night and they had a babysitter.
Speaker 2: So we've always we've never begrudged anybody checking in with
Speaker 2: the babysitter.
Speaker 3: Ever, Like we totally get it. We totally understand.
Speaker 2: But she at one point realized that her phone was
Speaker 2: on the table while we were eating dinner and apologize,
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. I don't usually do that, I don't
Speaker 2: forget and she turns around to put her phone off
Speaker 2: of the table.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I thought was so refreshing. Yeah, it was
Speaker 3: such a nice like, oh, yeah, I didn't notice that
Speaker 3: her phone was on the table.
Speaker 2: It's not like I looked at it and thought, well,
Speaker 2: she can't even pay attention while we're eating dinner, how rude.
Speaker 3: But it was just an acknowledgment of it. It was
Speaker 3: a nice thing.
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever seen anybody apologize and then remove.
Speaker 1: The phone, and I think we're gonna swing the other way.
Speaker 1: I think, like when you think about when did it
Speaker 1: become acceptable, you just think ten years ago acceptable for
Speaker 1: you're in a conversation with someone, for them to like
Speaker 1: pick up the phone or whatever, you're walking down the hall, whatever,
Speaker 1: it would have been weird. And now it's so normalized.
Speaker 1: And I think now maybe we might be swinging the
Speaker 1: other way to the point of like that that's rude.
Speaker 2: I did say there were two things that were at play.
Speaker 2: One of them is that we now A lot of
Speaker 2: times will jump to the option of well, I could
Speaker 2: just buy it online and have it delivered. I don't
Speaker 2: have to go out into the real world. The other
Speaker 2: thing is, I'm guilty of this as well, the relief
Speaker 2: that you feel when something gets canceled, The relief that
Speaker 2: you feel when you don't have to go to the thing,
Speaker 2: the event, even the party or a plan with you know, friends.
Speaker 1: It could be a hair appointment, like, it could be
Speaker 1: anything where you're just like, oh, I can't go, Like
Speaker 1: when I want to go donate blood and they're like,
Speaker 1: you can't. Your blood cells suck. I was like, why
Speaker 1: cause I could go home now instead of in twenty minutes,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: And it's just very odd.
Speaker 1: It's a very odd reflex to be excited when things
Speaker 1: fall through.
Speaker 3: You don't get your cookie that way.
Speaker 4: Hey, Gary and Shannon.
Speaker 5: I hate to be a one trick pony, but I
Speaker 5: think the poultry season is the reason that Shannon never
Speaker 5: has a party at her house.
Speaker 2: Take care of guys.
Speaker 1: It's probably the last one, is it, maybe? But listen,
Speaker 1: I enjoyed your performance, Let's be clear about that.
Speaker 3: Because you knew it was going to make material that
Speaker 3: would last for years.
Speaker 6: I did not.
Speaker 1: I didn't know if like that's what you do all
Speaker 1: the time, Like it's become more special as the years
Speaker 1: have gone by, because I realized how special it was
Speaker 1: in the moment I was relatively new in the relationship,
Speaker 1: where like I didn't know if that was Gary on
Speaker 1: a Thursday, Like, I don't know if you just get
Speaker 1: up and start gyrating to the seasonings.
Speaker 3: I don't even think. We can't find poultry seasoning in
Speaker 3: my house.
Speaker 1: And there's probably my wife took it away because she
Speaker 1: was jealous. I don't think that's what she was feeling.
Speaker 1: I don't think jealousy was.
Speaker 3: She was hell us of the moves I was putting
Speaker 3: on that little.
Speaker 1: I think regret may have been up further up on
Speaker 1: the low.
Speaker 2: Probably that's a much more likely all Right, we'll get
Speaker 2: into swamp watch when we come back.
Speaker 7: You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
Speaker 7: AM six forty.
Speaker 1: Convention of threes MO Motivational Monday is coming up late
Speaker 1: in the twelve o'clock hour, and we're going to spin
Speaker 1: the wheel and we had some.
Speaker 2: Great submissions last week for motivational speeches that you've seen
Speaker 2: or heard in radio radio. I guess the radio if
Speaker 2: you wanted to TV and movies and some of them
Speaker 2: in real life. So we'll catch a little bit of
Speaker 2: motivation as you'd get into the rest of your Monday.
Speaker 3: Before we end the shows.
Speaker 1: It is time for swamp Watch. I'm a politician, which
Speaker 1: means I'm a cheat and a liar.
Speaker 3: And when I'm not kissing baby, I'm stealing that lollipop.
Speaker 6: Here we got the real problem is that our leaders
Speaker 6: are done.
Speaker 1: The other side never quits.
Speaker 3: So what I'm not going anywhere?
Speaker 1: So that now you train the swap, I can imagine
Speaker 1: what can be and be unburdened by what has been.
Speaker 3: You know, Americans have always been gone at present.
Speaker 6: They're not stupid.
Speaker 2: A political plunder is when a politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 3: Whether people voted for you were not. Swamp watch, they're
Speaker 3: all counter on.
Speaker 2: Well, this is just the strictly politically speaking. In terms
Speaker 2: of what's going on in Washington, d C. There will
Speaker 2: be a big conversation tomorrow. President Trump is expected to
Speaker 2: speak with President Putin about a potential peace plan in Ukraine. Also,
Speaker 2: there is some some ongoing discussion about the legality of
Speaker 2: whether or not. The planes full of criminal migrants that
Speaker 2: were headed to El Salvador and Honduras over the weekend,
Speaker 2: we're supposed to have been turned around because of judge
Speaker 2: had explicitly said it in court, but it wasn't in
Speaker 2: part of the written order. And then President Trump explicitly
Speaker 2: linked the actions of the Hoothi rebels to Iran, their
Speaker 2: main benefactor, and is warning Iran that it would suffer
Speaker 2: the consequences if there are any other attacks by Hooti
Speaker 2: rebels there in Yemen. Of course, we dropped several bombs
Speaker 2: on Yemen over the weekend. They said they killed at
Speaker 2: least fifty people. Their classic book, by the.
Speaker 1: Way, classic book the Jungle Upton Sinclair. This was published
Speaker 1: in nineteen o six, an expose of the practices of
Speaker 1: the meat packing industry in Chicago. Now Upton Sinclair was
Speaker 1: described as a socialist and a crying could just ask
Speaker 1: Teddy Roosevelt. He went under cover, Upton Sinclair did for
Speaker 1: seven weeks to investigate the Union stockyards, and he talked
Speaker 1: about this city of slums and street urchins and fights
Speaker 1: between immigrants, the polls, the Lithuanians, the Slovaks that they
Speaker 1: were that they were working hard in these stockyards under
Speaker 1: brutal conditions that they would get diseases, their hands were
Speaker 1: ruined by acid.
Speaker 5: There.
Speaker 1: It was just it was awful. There were no worker protections.
Speaker 1: Unions were just shakedown operations for the political machine. That
Speaker 1: hasn't changed anyway. And so he he meant to indict
Speaker 1: capitalism's abuse of innocent men and women who had come
Speaker 1: to America with dreams in their hearts. And that's what
Speaker 1: a socialist in a crank would do, right. But Teddy Roosevelt,
Speaker 1: in his second term as president, initially refusing this book,
Speaker 1: decided that there were some basis of truth in the allegations,
Speaker 1: so he sent investigators to Chicago. There was a subsequent
Speaker 1: government invest mistigation and report, and that is when Congress
Speaker 1: enacted landmark Resolution, the Meat Inspection Act and the Pure
Speaker 1: Food and Drug Act, which later on expanded to the
Speaker 1: Bureau of Chemistry, which became the FDA. But as Peggy
Speaker 1: Noonan writes in The Wall Street Journal, they got it right.
Speaker 1: It's did start with a zelot who went crazy for
Speaker 1: preserving the American dream. But it also brought up the
Speaker 1: fact that there needs to be some sort of government
Speaker 1: oversight to make sure that these people aren't taken advantage of,
Speaker 1: or that things are done in a way that is
Speaker 1: won't kill us, so to speak.
Speaker 2: Right, the ideas of Doge, specifically the coming since that's
Speaker 2: what we're talking about, that's the overriding theme that's kind
Speaker 2: of permeated through all of the stories coming out of
Speaker 2: DC in the last seven eight weeks. There has to
Speaker 2: be a certain amount of understanding that yes, it's painful,
Speaker 2: Yes it looks bad. Yes, maybe the knife is too
Speaker 2: sharp or the hammer is too big, but there's nobody
Speaker 2: who you speak to who doesn't believe that the federal
Speaker 2: government is too large.
Speaker 1: It's gone crazy, but it's it's still necessary. To her point,
Speaker 1: it's still necessary. I mean, when you think about conservatives,
Speaker 1: it's we have for a long time rallied against governmental costs.
Speaker 1: You know, you pay four hundred fifty dollars for a
Speaker 1: chair that costs seventeen dollars. That kind of thing, overreach, waste,
Speaker 1: and yes, it exists, and it has run wild in
Speaker 1: many federal agencies, as she writes, but she says it's
Speaker 1: good to remember now that government does employ many people
Speaker 1: who help us that we could not do without the example,
Speaker 1: that everyone always uses the air traffic controllers. Obviously, food
Speaker 1: inspection another one. I'm coding social security checks. Need those people,
Speaker 1: and there are many people who do these jobs. Well,
Speaker 1: but she said, is that now that the sky, the
Speaker 1: size and the scope of government continues to grow, it
Speaker 1: does require sharp oversight. But make no mistake about it.
Speaker 1: You should be able to say in a clear, sharp
Speaker 1: sentence what you do and that does help America? Do
Speaker 1: you help protect it from poisoning? Do you enhance his
Speaker 1: reputation in the world? Do you make sure Bob and
Speaker 1: Maine gets his social Security check? If you can't produce
Speaker 1: that clear, sharp sentence of what you do, then yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe you are a part of the bloat. Back to
Speaker 1: the email of what is it you say you do
Speaker 1: here that everyone rallied against. If you can't say what
Speaker 1: you do here, then there's probably a problem.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and she at least gives credence to both sides
Speaker 2: and says, listen that in a time of cutting, that's
Speaker 2: where we are. Not everything is bad. Right wing propaganda,
Speaker 2: just like left wing propaganda, can get carried away. That
Speaker 2: the libertarian impulse is beautiful, but it's dreamy. For example,
Speaker 2: she says a libertarian would have told Upton Sinclair that
Speaker 2: the mark it's correct, the market corrects all that a
Speaker 2: company that sells bad beef won't survive long.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 2: But obviously, up until that point, this company that's selling
Speaker 2: bad beef is going to end up killing people, which
Speaker 2: is why the government does step in when it is
Speaker 2: absolutely necessary.
Speaker 3: So that's that's fun.
Speaker 2: Did you ever see if Upton Sinclair's home is actually
Speaker 2: in Oh, let me.
Speaker 1: Look that up. I'm prety sure I know exactly which
Speaker 1: one it is. Standby. It could be someone completely different,
Speaker 1: and I could just be conflating this.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty dope it's there. It is? Was it on myrtle?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 1: It's built in nineteen twenty three. The home of American
Speaker 1: novelist Upton Sinclair between nineteen forty two and nineteen sixty six.
Speaker 1: That's where he wrote many of his later works. It
Speaker 1: is listed on the National Register of Historic Places and
Speaker 1: has been declared a National Landmark. It is a private residence.
Speaker 1: It was designed by California architect Frederick H. Wallace.
Speaker 3: It's a Wallace home.
Speaker 1: Sinclair bought it in forty two. He wanted a quieter
Speaker 1: location than Pasadena.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know how bustling Pasadena was in forty two.
Speaker 1: It sustained damage during the nineteen ninety one Sierra Madre
Speaker 1: earthquake Debra.
Speaker 3: In eighteen ninety one, it.
Speaker 1: Was nearly torn down by its owner at the time. However,
Speaker 1: the State Historic Preservation Office said, hell no, this thing
Speaker 1: stands bare.
Speaker 3: He goes.
Speaker 1: The grounds also include a concrete vault where he kept
Speaker 1: all of his papers. Fascinating it turned out into a wine.
Speaker 3: Cellar or something.
Speaker 1: It probably is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, up next, our friend Jojo from upstairs,
Speaker 2: we're going to be talking about the iHeartRadio musical war.
Speaker 7: You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
Speaker 7: AM six forty.
Speaker 1: I've everywhere else. I mean, you're so excited. I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it. We've got a little fifth floor excitement
Speaker 1: down here. Hey, coming up in the next hour, there
Speaker 1: is some new questions about Gene Hackman's death and the
Speaker 1: timing and how it may impact the estate inheritance. I'm
Speaker 1: not in the business of telling you you are no
Speaker 1: stra Damis, but you hit on this last week with
Speaker 1: the timing of Gene Hackman's death versus his wife. His
Speaker 1: wife's death and what that means for the inheritance and
Speaker 1: how that moves forward. It very much in play, so
Speaker 1: we'll get into that come up in the next hour.
Speaker 3: Jojo on the radio, it's joined.
Speaker 6: M.
Speaker 3: Thanks for coming in. Absolutely so.
Speaker 2: It's always nice when people find their way down to
Speaker 2: the deserted floor down here.
Speaker 1: Yes, I love I love the fifth floor energy.
Speaker 3: And not the bore people.
Speaker 4: But there used to be like there's the elevator, and
Speaker 4: there used to be you could go either left or
Speaker 4: right from the elevator.
Speaker 3: Now you have to go right and circle all the
Speaker 3: way around.
Speaker 2: You have if you didn't know this, but you could
Speaker 2: you completed your fitnessracle for the day just by walking down.
Speaker 1: It's a five.
Speaker 4: K heck, it's like a hidden corner. But yeah, I
Speaker 4: found you guys. By the way, what is you tease
Speaker 4: that the gene? What's the since the weird kind of circumstances.
Speaker 1: Have to listen to the show, Joe Joe.
Speaker 2: When you plan your trust and will, there's a lot
Speaker 2: about predeceasing, who's who dies first, if you die at
Speaker 2: the same time, if one dies before the other one does,
Speaker 2: who gets what and all of that stuff.
Speaker 4: It was b It was not to take the shine
Speaker 4: off of this iHeart Radio Music Awards things which we're
Speaker 4: talking about tonight.
Speaker 2: Again, not to make it about us, but we weren't
Speaker 2: offered tickets this year for the first time in a while,
Speaker 2: which is weird.
Speaker 3: I think we could probably still crash it if we
Speaker 3: wanted to do. But tonight the iHeart Radio Music Awards.
Speaker 4: Yes, what should I just run through the whole bit
Speaker 4: here through tonight? Well, of course you can hear it
Speaker 4: on you can watch it on Fox. You can hear
Speaker 4: it on you know, I work a Kiss a FM.
Speaker 4: You can hear it on Kiss. Eight o'clock tonight. We
Speaker 4: start taping locally. We like I'm running a camera. They
Speaker 4: start taping at five o'clock locally, and we got I
Speaker 4: guess the major things LLO cool Jay hosting, Which have
Speaker 4: you guys?
Speaker 3: Met Ello? No? No, First of all, when you see him,
Speaker 3: he's just like Muscle. He had an age the day
Speaker 3: and he's just the coolest dude. Forty years that guy
Speaker 3: has not aged a day day.
Speaker 1: My favorite LLLL cool Jay story is something I saw
Speaker 1: on Rodney's Instagram where Magic Johnson does his yacht trip
Speaker 1: every year with friends and Rodney, Pete down the hall
Speaker 1: and Ell were there with their wives and everything, and
Speaker 1: they're on the yacht somewhere in the mediterraning Mediterranean, singing
Speaker 1: around the way girl. Of course, I was like, what,
Speaker 1: what's the.
Speaker 3: Cool I've had?
Speaker 4: I had him in the studio maybe like I don't know,
Speaker 4: three or four months ago, and I don't know, just
Speaker 4: when he walks in he starts for whatever reason, during
Speaker 4: one of our segments, he starts rapping.
Speaker 3: I think it was something.
Speaker 4: Don't call it comeback, and I'm just I'm sitting there, yeah,
Speaker 4: looking at him, like, what the heck?
Speaker 3: What is my life right now?
Speaker 1: I would die?
Speaker 3: Call it back of it was just weird.
Speaker 4: Innovator Award tonight, Lady Gaga is getting the Innovator Awards.
Speaker 3: She's the coolest ever. And then the Icon Award Mariah Carey.
Speaker 4: So you got three icons getting a variety of or
Speaker 4: a hosting right there performing Billie Eilish, Bad Bunny, Gracie Abrams,
Speaker 4: my daughters, she's going with me. She's downstairs right now,
Speaker 4: she's she's loving. She can't wait to see Billy and
Speaker 4: Gracie for sure, Money Long Nelly performing Kenny Chesney. If
Speaker 4: you're like country Gloilla, the wrap thing, you know, all
Speaker 4: that good stuff. So it's a it's a big, big,
Speaker 4: big show the Dolby Theater. If you guys want to
Speaker 4: crash it, you know, right as you should. But it's
Speaker 4: it's it's one of those wild moments. You know when
Speaker 4: you sit in these in these seats at the Dolbey Theater.
Speaker 4: You know you see the artists kind of going in
Speaker 4: and out because they shuffle the seats during the breaks
Speaker 4: and and the seat the seat seat warmers. They kind
Speaker 4: of it's it's a big moving thing between breaks and
Speaker 4: you'll see somebody like Jelly Roller walk by, a j
Speaker 4: from Backstreet Boys, my buddy will be.
Speaker 2: The logistics alone is something we sat pretty close a
Speaker 2: couple of years ago. We sat down and uh that
Speaker 2: was the fun part because we're just I mean, good
Speaker 2: thing and didn't have popcorn at the Dolbey Theater because
Speaker 2: we were just cramming at watching these celebrities that walk
Speaker 2: back and forth, and it's.
Speaker 1: Just the you know he was so small, did you
Speaker 1: she was that big? Did you know she was that tall?
Speaker 3: Lenny Kravitz hosted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he is not a giant person, no, not
Speaker 2: that he's tiny but he's nowhere near as big as
Speaker 2: you think he is, right, And that was one of
Speaker 2: those you know you get to see people up close
Speaker 2: like that. It was when when Taylor Swift walked in.
Speaker 2: She comes in like three quarters of the way through
Speaker 2: the show, because she's Taylor Swift, She's not gonna sit
Speaker 2: there for an hour and a half amongst all these
Speaker 2: people like us waiting for the award that she was given.
Speaker 2: She comes walking, I mean a phulanx of like twenty
Speaker 2: five people around.
Speaker 1: Her and then the plane closed. Security people she had
Speaker 1: in other sections that got up and left after she
Speaker 1: had made her exit. It was wild, Like there was
Speaker 1: a couple of guys in our section a few sections
Speaker 1: over that just like got up and left. They were
Speaker 1: here as plane clothes, just averaged jos as part of
Speaker 1: her security detail. Like it was insane.
Speaker 4: You never think of it. If you look real close,
Speaker 4: you see it's like the Secret Service just did he did.
Speaker 4: Taylor Swift is entering the building they have and you
Speaker 4: know what, you think, oh my god, why did she
Speaker 4: do that? But she's as famous as she is. I mean,
Speaker 4: you never you never know. You got to have a
Speaker 4: crew around you, Like I'm sure, you guys do the same.
Speaker 1: Is that why you have these guys right here?
Speaker 3: They don't.
Speaker 4: Don't mess with those guys. They will, they'll mess you up.
Speaker 4: They're crazy, you know.
Speaker 3: But it's it's a lot going on.
Speaker 4: I wish you guys were there, but it's a it's
Speaker 4: a lot happening eight o'clock tonight on Fox. You know,
Speaker 4: it's it's I don't know, anybody in pop music has
Speaker 4: has some role in it tonight, whether you're nominated, whether
Speaker 4: whether they're there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got the Pop Song of the Year. We
Speaker 3: got a couple, you know.
Speaker 4: I'll give you one category and tell me what you
Speaker 4: guys think, Pop Pop Artist.
Speaker 3: Of the Year.
Speaker 1: Pop Artist of the Year is.
Speaker 4: Nominees are Billie Eilish, Chapel Roan, Sabrina Carpenter, Tate McCrae,
Speaker 4: Taylor Swift.
Speaker 3: Who do you think? I don't know who wins, But
Speaker 3: who do you think wins?
Speaker 1: I just can't because of her performance, the whole pony thing,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Kids, she's been she's been doing well, man, so I
Speaker 4: think she's got a good shot. I think I think
Speaker 4: Sabrina got a good trend.
Speaker 1: But she's kind of had her flowers.
Speaker 2: Can I say this out of all of those, I
Speaker 2: would want to meet Sabrina Carpenter, of.
Speaker 1: Course you would. Don't be don't be weird creege girls,
Speaker 1: you know, because she seems the most down to earth
Speaker 1: and willing to make fun of herself.
Speaker 4: And she she does, and she's been like she you know,
Speaker 4: I thought it was strange when she got the Grammy
Speaker 4: Award for and people talking about this, when she got
Speaker 4: the Grammy nomination for Best New Artists, because she's.
Speaker 3: Been coming up here only on her fifth, sixth album.
Speaker 4: I think of this, But I say that because she's
Speaker 4: been working so hard for so long and finally, you know,
Speaker 4: some of these artists like they just need that moment
Speaker 4: where it clicks right. And she'd been grinded forever and
Speaker 4: she had her fan base and she could tour. She
Speaker 4: she could tour forever even if this album weren't successful,
Speaker 4: the new one she's got now, but something clicks this
Speaker 4: one and she's the biggest thing in the world.
Speaker 1: She's still hearing you're the future.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's sick of that now. She now she is,
Speaker 4: she's the now now, you know. But that's that's what's up, you.
Speaker 1: Know, very cool. Well, thank you, Jojo. I don't know
Speaker 1: why I thought we were talking about Wango Tango, which
Speaker 1: is why I wrote up off any of last week
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 4: We got that on sale now, it just went on
Speaker 4: sale and the first time we're doing it on the beach.
Speaker 4: It's I've said this so many times. Saturday, May tenth, Yeah,
Speaker 4: Huntington City Beach. We got Doji Cat performing at Wayne
Speaker 4: Go Tango. We've got just what the list goes on.
Speaker 1: All I'm hearing is they have all the fun and
Speaker 1: we are like the killed Joys.
Speaker 3: Have you guys been You've been to it?
Speaker 1: He's like, JoJo's like, what have you guys been talking about?
Speaker 1: Garry's like, well, the Venezuelans that have been shipped out
Speaker 1: of the country. And I'm like, there's this murder trial
Speaker 1: with a semen and a toothpaste tube. And now I'm like,
Speaker 1: I hate us. We have no social skills. When people
Speaker 1: from the real floor come down here and try to
Speaker 1: talk to us like humans, and we're like.
Speaker 3: You guys come down here and we're like excited.
Speaker 1: To see the cave.
Speaker 4: To show you my rock sculpture floor. When you when
Speaker 4: you're at your wine dinner, like you're talking the other night.
Speaker 4: You bring up this stuff. I hate this guy with
Speaker 4: a toothpaste bottle. You don't bring that stuff up at
Speaker 4: your wine dinner where.
Speaker 3: No guess what I heard?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we are this is my people and
Speaker 1: invite us two parties.
Speaker 3: That's true. Imagine bringing up over your wine what was
Speaker 3: in the Yeah.
Speaker 1: Exactly, Joe say thanks for coming down and trying to
Speaker 1: normalize it, socialize us.
Speaker 4: Please come to Wayne go Tango. I would love to you,
Speaker 4: guys sight when's the Fani perform?
Speaker 3: It sounds come on. You're gonna have to pull some
Speaker 3: strings for that. I got some strings. I'm gonna pull it. Awesome,
Speaker 3: Thank you appreciated. Up next, the Dark Side of Xanax.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Gary, you're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand
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Speaker 1: When you get snack on like dried fruit and darbonzo beams.
Speaker 2: So I didn't even think about the snack part of it.
Speaker 2: To pack my own bring in a chomp.
Speaker 3: I brought my job.
Speaker 2: Negotiators working to end the war between Russia and Ukraine
Speaker 2: have already been talking about dividing up certain assets that's
Speaker 2: what President Trump said as he announced the plan to
Speaker 2: speak with Vladimir Putin tomorrow. Trump's comments were on Air
Speaker 2: Force One. He announced last week that Ukraine had accepted
Speaker 2: the US proposed thirty day ceasefire. That puts the ball
Speaker 2: in Russia's court, and they'll talk tomorrow about whether or
Speaker 2: not Putin will accept the proposal to bring a quick
Speaker 2: end to this now three year war.
Speaker 1: Benzos are an issue. Some of the most commonly prescribed
Speaker 1: psychiatric medications in America, but they're over prescribed. They're prescribed
Speaker 1: for things like mild anxiety to insomnia, xanaxx.
Speaker 2: Klonopin, clinasma, auta, van valium, all of it, the razapam
Speaker 2: and diazepam, a lot of PAMs, a lot of PAMs.
Speaker 3: PAMs and lambs on that one.
Speaker 2: The problem that is cropping up for some people. It's
Speaker 2: not everybody, but for some people. There is a group
Speaker 2: of people who have been on these PAMs and lambs
Speaker 2: who have an awful time trying to taper off because
Speaker 2: it appears to make their anxiety that much worse.
Speaker 1: I noticed this with myself when I would take a
Speaker 1: xanax lowest dosage, but I don't even know what that means.
Speaker 1: I don't remember what it was, but it was very low, allegedly,
Speaker 1: and I remember taking it for a fly, like because
Speaker 1: I was this nervous flyer and for whatever reason, which
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like me, because I don't like pills. I'm
Speaker 1: kind of terrified of them. But what they'll do, because
Speaker 1: I don't know what they do, I guess is the thing.
Speaker 1: But I took them to fly. And I were one
Speaker 1: time taking a xanax because I thought I was gonna
Speaker 1: be nervous to fly, and I took it before I
Speaker 1: had the nervousness set in. All right, So I take
Speaker 1: the xanax whatever. The next day, I'm wherever San Francisco,
Speaker 1: wherever I am, and I noticed that my heart's beating fast,
Speaker 1: and I feel like I've got anxiety. And what am
Speaker 1: I doing in that moment, I don't know, going and
Speaker 1: getting a bagel or something if something not to that
Speaker 1: would not induce anxiety. And I thought to myself, Holy hell,
Speaker 1: I bet that xanax I took yesterday for what I
Speaker 1: thought was going to be an anxious flight is now
Speaker 1: wearing off and it's making it's giving me a xanax hangover.
Speaker 1: In the form of my body wanting more.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think I mean that that is kudo.
Speaker 2: I'm giving kudos to you for having the wherewithal to
Speaker 2: even think about that in that moment, to think that
Speaker 2: that may have been what caused it, as opposed to
Speaker 2: just kind of ride in the wave of I'm.
Speaker 1: Still anxious about the thing or the Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if I would have had
Speaker 2: the wherewithal to say that about myself.
Speaker 1: I think you would have if you only get anxious
Speaker 1: when you fly, and then you know.
Speaker 3: And bagel doctors say that the there's an very bagel.
Speaker 1: You want a bagel.
Speaker 2: There's a strange impact of benzo withdrawaldiazepine withdrawal that is
Speaker 2: something akin to a neurological disorder.
Speaker 3: For some of the papiers.
Speaker 1: It screws the brain chemistry.
Speaker 3: One woman describes this feeling. She had.
Speaker 2: Her GP prescribed benzodiazepine for mild insomnia more than a
Speaker 2: decade ago. She's a mother of five. She runs a charity,
Speaker 2: and the xanax helped her sleep, but she said her
Speaker 2: nervous system developed a debilitating physical dependence on it, and
Speaker 2: when she tried to quit after five years, these symptoms
Speaker 2: would consume her.
Speaker 3: She referred to something called.
Speaker 2: Brain zaps that would hit her like electric shocks, shower
Speaker 2: water would jolt her so badly that she would suffer
Speaker 2: hours long panic attacks, and at times she would writhe
Speaker 2: in pain until she passed out from this.
Speaker 1: My God.
Speaker 2: The size of the problem, we're not quite sure. For
Speaker 2: some people it's or for some researchers, they say somewhere
Speaker 2: between fifteen and forty four percent of chronic benzo users
Speaker 2: will experience these moderate to severe withdrawal symptoms, and a
Speaker 2: smaller group than that, somewhere maybe ten to fifteen percent,
Speaker 2: would suffer from protracted symptoms that can last for months
Speaker 2: and continue long after the patients taper off the drugs,
Speaker 2: and as you can imagine, some if for them the
Speaker 2: pain and the struggle is so much that they end
Speaker 2: up taking their own lives. There's a term for it.
Speaker 2: A couple of years ago, group of advocates and scientists
Speaker 2: have proposed a term for this condition called benzodiazepine induced
Speaker 2: neurological function a dysfunction. It's called BIND, and they just
Speaker 2: at this point don't have enough of that long term
Speaker 2: research when it comes to the use of these drugs
Speaker 2: and then the tapering off of the drugs to figure
Speaker 2: out what causes some people to react this way and
Speaker 2: not others. So that that I think is one of
Speaker 2: the cautionary tales about just about any medication. Perhaps sure
Speaker 2: is to be careful because in some cases, you know
Speaker 2: you're going to be on something for a long time
Speaker 2: that whether it's a let's say you have a genetic
Speaker 2: predisposition to a certain thing high blood pressure or cholesterol,
Speaker 2: whatever it is, and you get put on one of
Speaker 2: these drugs.
Speaker 3: That's pretty common.
Speaker 2: You know, you think you see a lot of people
Speaker 2: on them, but if you don't know the downstream impact
Speaker 2: that's going to have on the rest of your your
Speaker 2: body and just it's apt to carrying.
Speaker 3: Wow, that was some good times, boy, Shannon.
Speaker 1: That's that's quite the laugh you got there.
Speaker 3: You know I was gonna throw you a fish.
Speaker 5: Good morning ger in Shannon, Mike and the High Desert.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I love Shannon's nerd laugh. It is
Speaker 5: so great, awesome, awesome, have a good day.
Speaker 3: Thanks, Mike.
Speaker 1: Did I laugh differently?
Speaker 3: You don't remember laughing like ten.
Speaker 1: Minute laughing, but it's differently than it was a loud snort. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I didn't notice it. No, no, I will stop
Speaker 1: being happy.
Speaker 3: I don't mind it.
Speaker 1: I will stop it right now. No more f and happiness.
Speaker 3: I just thought it was.
Speaker 2: Funny that we were talking about how unstructured we are
Speaker 2: around company and then you inhaled your own sweater through
Speaker 2: your note.
Speaker 1: Well because you said you're climbing up next the Dark
Speaker 1: side of Xanax. Like how on point? Like, we're just
Speaker 1: highlighting the fact that we are not fun here, and
Speaker 1: then you had to go and make it worse.
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Speaker 1: If you miss the Dark Side of Xanax, make sure
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Speaker 1: That make you happy that will kill you. Your coming
Speaker 1: up next, why sugar is bad? What cupcakes and cookies
Speaker 1: will kill you? I'm not equating Xanax with cupcakes and cookies.
Speaker 1: I was just making a joke to which I will
Speaker 1: not laugh.
Speaker 3: Poor We'll continue right after this.
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