Speaker 1: Okay, we're live. This is William Ramsey. Welcome to William
Speaker 1: Ramsey Investigates On today's show. I have a very special guest,
Speaker 1: returning guest, Stephen B. Eubanie. We talked about his earlier
Speaker 1: book titled Who Murdered Dana, So if you want to
Speaker 1: go listen to that, you can go through my archives
Speaker 1: and see that. But today we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: I think it's the first book in the series that
Speaker 1: he published, which is Who Murdered Elvis. He also has
Speaker 1: another one titled Who Murdered Fdr, and then he has
Speaker 1: another one coming out in the future, Who Murdered Tesla.
Speaker 1: I think the publication date planned publication date is twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four, and Steve's full website is Who Murdered Books
Speaker 1: dot com, so I will include that in the show notes.
Speaker 1: I never thought Elvis. I thought Elvis died of a
Speaker 1: drug overdose. Then I started looking through all the facts
Speaker 1: of this case and there's a lot of problems here.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad Steve returned. So Steve and Ubanie, welcome
Speaker 1: back to the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great to be back. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Awesome. So for people who may not have heard our
Speaker 1: last show. Can you kind of talk about your background?
Speaker 1: You said this was the book that you in the
Speaker 1: pre show, you said, this is the book you researched
Speaker 1: the most about. Can you kind of talk about how,
Speaker 1: I know you wrote about it in the book, but
Speaker 1: how you initially got interested in looking into who murdered it? Was?
Speaker 2: Well, I've always been I've always been a fan. I
Speaker 2: mean my mom. I got that from my mom. I
Speaker 2: think I grew up spending the original forty five when
Speaker 2: I was a kid, and when he died. I never
Speaker 2: believed the story, and I don't think anybody believed it,
Speaker 2: and we were right not to believe it because it
Speaker 2: was ridiculous. And you know, as I, as I matured
Speaker 2: and grew a little older, I wanted to wanted to
Speaker 2: learn a few, you know, a few more things about this.
Speaker 2: And we have these things in our lives that you know,
Speaker 2: just don't bring true when we put them in the
Speaker 2: back burner and say, oh, I'll look at that at
Speaker 2: another time as well. This was the time. So I
Speaker 2: was at the thirtieth anniversary of his death and I'm
Speaker 2: watching this thing on television and all the people who
Speaker 2: found his body ears or five or six of them.
Speaker 2: None of them could agree on where he was found,
Speaker 2: what color pajamas he was wearing, what time of day
Speaker 2: it was. I said, man, this is one magical corpse.
Speaker 2: So you combine that with a fabled cause of death,
Speaker 2: which I didn't believe in the first place. So I said,
Speaker 2: you know, I really got to get to the bottom
Speaker 2: of this. So this is how you know, this is
Speaker 2: what started the whole thing, And I didn't. I just
Speaker 2: started poking around for my own knowledge. I didn't want
Speaker 2: to know Elvis Probus was murdered. It bugged the hell
Speaker 2: out of me, you know, especially being a fan. I
Speaker 2: didn't want to know this.
Speaker 1: But right now, he had a premature death. He died
Speaker 1: on August sixteenth, nineteen seventy seven. He was only forty two.
Speaker 1: He didn't look great, he wasn't in great shape. But
Speaker 1: there's some real, real concerns. I mean, so nobody could
Speaker 1: come up with actually the real story of where his
Speaker 1: body was found, right like, oh, the bed or the
Speaker 1: bathroom or yeah.
Speaker 2: Joe Esposito, his road manager, set at Baptist Memorial Hospital
Speaker 2: that he was found dead in bed, and then forty
Speaker 2: five minutes later at Graceland he told the authorities he
Speaker 2: was found that in the floor in front of the toilet. Well,
Speaker 2: Joel Esposito is no longer with us, But what I
Speaker 2: can say about Joe is that he always tells us
Speaker 2: the truth. He just told it four different ways. And
Speaker 2: everyone involved in this, all of the people who were
Speaker 2: in his Memphis mafia, which is his inner group of people,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, they just continue to tell different
Speaker 2: stories about the same event. And it's crazy, it really is.
Speaker 2: So I started out trying to get to the bottom
Speaker 2: of all of it. And this book you're read it
Speaker 2: was volume one in the series. I did two Elvis books.
Speaker 2: I did one five years later, which was the fifth
Speaker 2: anniversary edition that has even more information than So there
Speaker 2: was ten years of work that went into this book.
Speaker 1: And so you started out just by noticing the stories
Speaker 1: didn't add up with the people surrounding you. Can you
Speaker 1: talk about Elvis's the kind of Memphis mafia that surrounded him,
Speaker 1: what he was doing up intil the days of his death,
Speaker 1: and kind of he had had a pretty curious, I think,
Speaker 1: largely unknown connection with law enforcement, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Elvis was Elvis had a very interesting connection to
Speaker 2: law enforcement. Of course, a lot of people don't know that.
Speaker 2: In December twenty first, nineteen seventy, he became a federal
Speaker 2: narcotics agent. And Richard Nixon he wanted to get that
Speaker 2: moniker because he wanted to fly around the country with
Speaker 2: his guns on him because he was getting death threats.
Speaker 2: So he was a federal narcotics agent. He also was everywhere.
Speaker 2: He went, every county, every town. He used the local
Speaker 2: local sheriff's department, in the local police department to help
Speaker 2: with crowd control and so forth. So he was very
Speaker 2: very blue friendly. He got along with the cops really
Speaker 2: really well, and he collected badges. You know, they would
Speaker 2: give him honorary badges. It's actually pretty interesting. But yeah,
Speaker 2: he uh, he was starting to get some he was
Speaker 2: really starting to get some very serious death threats. So
Speaker 2: you know, he wanted to uh, he wanted to beef
Speaker 2: up uh. He wanted to beef up his uh, his
Speaker 2: arms on him. I mean he would stand at the
Speaker 2: wedding of Sunny West wearing four pistols. He would go
Speaker 2: on stage under his uh, you know, under the bell bottoms,
Speaker 2: with a pistol on his on his ankle. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is this isn't conspiracy talk. This is real talk.
Speaker 2: They wanted this guy dead. Scary stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah what what Why did they want him dead?
Speaker 2: Uh, lots and lots of reasons. And when I first
Speaker 2: talked about what you mentioned earlier, and then I can
Speaker 2: go into that about Elvis not looking good at the end,
Speaker 2: which he he did not. Elvis did have a couple
Speaker 2: of health problems.
Speaker 1: He had.
Speaker 2: He had hyph pertection, his blood sugar was a little
Speaker 2: too high. But the bloated, pasty look that we look
Speaker 2: back now and say, oh my god, he was in
Speaker 2: terrible shape. He Elvis had a birth defect. It was
Speaker 2: a twisted colon, and it's common in boys. I didn't
Speaker 2: know that. One of my friends is a forensic pathologist.
Speaker 2: I had a conversation with him and a couple others
Speaker 2: before I wrote the book. Common in boys to have
Speaker 2: a twisted colon. And when you combine that with downers,
Speaker 2: you're gonna end up with constipation. If I give you,
Speaker 2: if I'm a doctor and to prescribe uppers, I mean,
Speaker 2: you're gonna get the runs, downers are going to constipate you.
Speaker 2: So you take a birth defect of a twisted colon
Speaker 2: combined with downers, you're going to be compacted pretty well.
Speaker 2: And that was discovered at the autopsy. Elvis probably hadn't
Speaker 2: had a bowel movement for a month and this contributed
Speaker 2: to and he was scheduled for surgery actually actually to
Speaker 2: to take care of it. He never made it. You know,
Speaker 2: they got to him beforehand. But that explains that that look,
Speaker 2: you know, that very strange, pasty look that he had
Speaker 2: in the last the last you know, the last month
Speaker 2: or so of his h of his life.
Speaker 1: He was He also was on drugs too. I mean,
Speaker 1: he had a huge the narcotics that he was taking
Speaker 1: were confirmed.
Speaker 2: He's not true m yes and no. Prescribed and taking
Speaker 2: were two different things. In nineteen seventy six, Elvis Presley
Speaker 2: almost went bankrupt. He was the biggest he was the
Speaker 2: biggest tax payer in the state of Tennessee. So his
Speaker 2: father had had to seize his he had to take
Speaker 2: control of his finances to keep them solving. So they
Speaker 2: started to do away with certain things. You know, they
Speaker 2: sold a plane, which I'll get into later, which was
Speaker 2: a fiasco, and that's how we ended up. The mob
Speaker 2: was after him over that, but they were trying to
Speaker 2: can so Elvis Elvis's Memphis Mafia. His inner group were
Speaker 2: all pill poppers, and Elvis said, look, I don't want
Speaker 2: to hear about this from my dad. Just to write
Speaker 2: everybody's prescriptions under my name, So my dad, we'll get
Speaker 2: off my back. So a lot was made. Nineteen seventy nine,
Speaker 2: ABC's twenty twenty ju aldro Evera did a great special
Speaker 2: on the death of Elvis, and he an entire sugar
Speaker 2: bowl full of pills that Elvis president was prescribed to him.
Speaker 2: But prescribed and taking are two different things, you know,
Speaker 2: at the time, so he wasn't. If there was a
Speaker 2: handful left, there was a couple left in the ball,
Speaker 2: Elvis would take him. But everybody had their hands in
Speaker 2: that bull, so he wasn't taking what everyone had said
Speaker 2: he was taking. I had a conversation with his doctor finally,
Speaker 2: and he said he didn't even have control of his drugs.
Speaker 2: There was a nurse who was on premises who would
Speaker 2: dispatch his drugs. He didn't have control of his drugs.
Speaker 2: So everybody's saying, you know, he overdosed, he did this
Speaker 2: in that is not even close to being true. I mean,
Speaker 2: this all melts away under the scrutiny of real investigative work.
Speaker 2: So at the time, at the time he dies, there
Speaker 2: are three toxicology reports done on Elvis Presley and the
Speaker 2: first one was done at the University of Tennessee Baptist
Speaker 2: Memorial that his hospital he died at didn't have a lab,
Speaker 2: so the University of Tennessee toxicology report. And there are
Speaker 2: four levels of drugs that you find in your system, Trace,
Speaker 2: therapeutic which is what a doctor would prescribe you, toxic
Speaker 2: which will make you quite sick, and then of course lethal,
Speaker 2: and we all know what lethal is. In the case
Speaker 2: of Elvis Presley, there were a couple of drugs that
Speaker 2: there were four different drugs that were found between the
Speaker 2: trace and therapeutic level, so you know, then they didn't
Speaker 2: like that verdict, so they had another one done. Because
Speaker 2: if all you have is a hammer, everything starts to
Speaker 2: look like a nail, right, So somebody said he died
Speaker 2: of a drug overdose. So they're looking for these drugs. Man,
Speaker 2: they got to find these drugs. So they do another
Speaker 2: toxicology report at a place around the corner from the hospital,
Speaker 2: which has never been confirmed, and their results were the
Speaker 2: exact same thing. So they can't figure out what killed
Speaker 2: this guy. So finally, a few days later, Jerry T. Francisco,
Speaker 2: who is the medical examiner who was in charge of
Speaker 2: the autopsy, had promised everyone that he was going to
Speaker 2: have a verdict that night at eight o'clock, just because
Speaker 2: Nogucci took eleven days to come up with the results
Speaker 2: of Marilyn Monroe's autopsy. So he goes out without one
Speaker 2: fingerprint being lifted from Graceland, without any of the toxicology
Speaker 2: reports being better, saying that he died of cardiac arrhythmia,
Speaker 2: which is a bigger story than Mother Goose could tell
Speaker 2: because a corner can't diagnose cardiac arrhythmia. You have to
Speaker 2: have a beating heart, and a regular heartbeat can't be
Speaker 2: detected on heart that stopped makes no sense.
Speaker 1: So and the story we had no diagnosis of that
Speaker 1: before the date of his death. Right, So nobody taking
Speaker 1: drugs or anything.
Speaker 2: For Doctor nccoppol is more the brunt of this. But
Speaker 2: he had done he'd done everything everything to check Elvis.
Speaker 2: Doctor Nicoppolo has got a bad rap. He really cared
Speaker 2: for Elvis. He was really a very nice man, and
Speaker 2: I think that he took a lot of heat that
Speaker 2: was brought down on him. But so finally they're still
Speaker 2: looking for these drugs, right, and this is where the
Speaker 2: murder park comes in. And I'll tell you the end
Speaker 2: from the beginning, and then I go backwards in the story.
Speaker 2: Finally they take tissue samples and they send them out
Speaker 2: to bioscience Laboratories in California, which at the time, in
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy seven was the place they hid the top
Speaker 2: stuff anybody could want, best equipment, and they hate it
Speaker 2: out there, and they put it under an assumed name,
Speaker 2: and it came back to Elvis Presley had a laundry
Speaker 2: list of drugs in his system, and he had coding
Speaker 2: in his system at eleven times a lethal level. Sounds great, right,
Speaker 2: great story Wrong, It's not. It's not true at all.
Speaker 2: I don't even know how this happened. Because Dan Warlick,
Speaker 2: who was THEO, was at the autopsy, who was the
Speaker 2: person who dissected Elvis's He did was dissected his vocal courts,
Speaker 2: his lyrins, looking for some sort of swelling, looking for
Speaker 2: an allergic reaction of some variety, and there was none.
Speaker 2: Elvis Presley's allergic to coding, very allergic he almost died
Speaker 2: of anaphylexic shock in nineteen sixty eight. Every one now
Speaker 2: to keep coding away from Elvis Presley. Well, if there's
Speaker 2: no sign of anaphylexis in the body, how can it
Speaker 2: be eleven times the lethal level at the toxicology report.
Speaker 2: If it's not in the body, it can't be in
Speaker 2: a toxicology report. It just can't. So they take this
Speaker 2: erroneous toxicology report and to give it to my friend,
Speaker 2: doctor Sarahwuct, who had no idea that the first two
Speaker 2: toxicology reports had been done that showed virtually no drugs
Speaker 2: in Elvis's system, And they put him on camera and
Speaker 2: he tells to the waiting world, you know this laundry
Speaker 2: list of drugs that would have killed a herd of cattle,
Speaker 2: and none of it was true. So we have gigantic
Speaker 2: cover up here. So why did they want Elvis Presley?
Speaker 1: Dad?
Speaker 2: Uh, It's going to be really hard to encapsulate that
Speaker 2: in the time that we have. Elvis Presley's manager, Colonel
Speaker 2: Tom Parker, was in the mob. He was not a colonel.
Speaker 2: His name was not Tom Parker. His name was Adreas Vancoup.
Speaker 2: When he came from the Netherlands and he's snuck over
Speaker 2: here in the hold of his ship. And I won't
Speaker 2: there details about this in the book that I'm not
Speaker 2: going to give away. Goes into the army, he goes awall,
Speaker 2: and when he goes awall, he takes the name of
Speaker 2: his commanding officer, Tom Parker, and he puts colonel in
Speaker 2: front of it because it sounds great, right, Colonel Tom Parker.
Speaker 2: This is why Elvis Presley could never pry abroad, because
Speaker 2: Colonel Parker could never get a passport because he wasn't
Speaker 2: an American citizen. He snuck in. So Colonel Parker had
Speaker 2: a long standing friendship with a few mobsters in Vegas.
Speaker 2: And I'll come up to the murder here in a second.
Speaker 2: Milton Prell, who's the first one in Vegas who was
Speaker 2: part of the Detroit Syndicate. He owned the Bingo Club,
Speaker 2: became the Sarah Sahara, the Aladdin, the Mint big mob guys.
Speaker 2: Another one is Modallas, who actually funded g. I. Blewis
Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty. He became a huge friend to Colonel Parker.
Speaker 1: Picture, sorry to interrupted you have a picture of Elvis
Speaker 1: with Milton Pearl, Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of pictures in the book that
Speaker 2: you're not going to find other places. And Modallas owned
Speaker 2: you know this desert ind in the Stardust, and he
Speaker 2: was from the Cleveland Syndicate. And these are the people
Speaker 2: the Colonel Parker was hob nobbing around with because he
Speaker 2: was managing Minnie Pearl and Gene Austin and Neddie Arnold,
Speaker 2: and he was a carnival barker back in the country
Speaker 2: he came from, so to manage talents like this, it
Speaker 2: was natural to him. He was a genius. Colonel Parker
Speaker 2: was a genius. So here we have his manager in
Speaker 2: with the mob things that he didn't want to do.
Speaker 2: He didn't want to do those movies. There's a picture
Speaker 2: speaking of that picture in my book. There's a picture
Speaker 2: on the set of Gi Blues, and everyone in the
Speaker 2: picture is smiling except Elvis. Elvis was miserable doing those movies.
Speaker 2: And I have to tell a story and then I'll
Speaker 2: get to the murder. I'm sorry. I don't mean to
Speaker 2: lead you along.
Speaker 1: So the background is very important to know. It's really good.
Speaker 2: Sure, I won't mention the fellow's name because I spoke
Speaker 2: with him and he didn't want me to mention his name.
Speaker 2: But Elvis was so fed up with these movies. They
Speaker 2: were reading a script and he was in he had
Speaker 2: a home in California, and he was reading the script.
Speaker 2: And actually know this gentleman quite well, but he'd want
Speaker 2: me to use his name. And he said, Elvis is
Speaker 2: flipping through this script and he flips out and he said, well,
Speaker 2: I can tell you the language he used. But he said,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm a speedboat racer and this one, the
Speaker 2: last one was a motorcycle racer. You know, the next
Speaker 2: one is is you know a motorcycle racer or a
Speaker 2: speedboat or stock car racer. It's the same script. I'm
Speaker 2: not doing it. I've had it. And he takes this script,
Speaker 2: which was it must have been one hundred thousand pages
Speaker 2: if you've ever seen a movie script. And I mean
Speaker 2: they were burning these movies out at thirty days a movie, right,
Speaker 2: and he what was it? Up in the air and
Speaker 2: he said, I'm not going. So the next day he
Speaker 2: doesn't show up. This is how much he hated this.
Speaker 2: He's being forced into it. So the next day RCA
Speaker 2: came up, Colonel Parker came up, someone from the studio
Speaker 2: came up, the director came up, and it was made
Speaker 2: very very clear to Elvis that you're gonna do these
Speaker 2: or you're not gonna do anything else. And there were
Speaker 2: people in the room who heard this, and they weren't
Speaker 2: threatening his career. So after this happens, Colonel Parker pulls
Speaker 2: him aside again overheard by three or four people, two
Speaker 2: of which I know well well knew well, they're no
Speaker 2: longer with us, and he said, I'm gonna do this.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this, You're gonna do this, You're gonna
Speaker 2: do this. And since I'm doing all this work for you,
Speaker 2: it's now a fifty to fifty split, and he backed
Speaker 2: and Colonel backdated it from the beginning of the year,
Speaker 2: almost punishment, so it was a seventy five to twenty
Speaker 2: five split. The deal was Elvis would get seventy five
Speaker 2: percent and he would pay all the expenses. So the
Speaker 2: arnold the twenty five percent that Colonel took was twenty
Speaker 2: five percent legally, and he would sell buttons and shirts
Speaker 2: and you know, posters, and nobody would ever get a
Speaker 2: cut of it. So the mob is starting to surround
Speaker 2: Elvis Presley in nineteen and when he gets married he
Speaker 2: can't even plan his own wedding. It was. And these
Speaker 2: are the same people who controlled Frank Sinatra's career. Okay,
Speaker 2: So when Elvis gets married, he goes on Frank Sinatra's
Speaker 2: jet to Milton Pearl's hotel. Colonel plans the wedding with
Speaker 2: all of his mob buddies. Elvis is trapped. I always
Speaker 2: looked at Elvis on stages like, man, what a great
Speaker 2: it'd be great to be Elvis. Elvis was miserable, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Elvis even married Priscilla at Pearl's apartment in Las Vegas
Speaker 1: is a live hotel, right, so a very curious place
Speaker 1: for that famous of a guy to get married.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I won't there's things that I won't say
Speaker 2: on air about that marriage either, but very very curious.
Speaker 2: So Elvis is in misery. He's in a velvet jail.
Speaker 2: He can have any girly wants, he can add any
Speaker 2: car he wants, he can had any motorcycle he wants,
Speaker 2: which is great for a few years, but he has
Speaker 2: no freedom. He can't do anything. He's got golden handcuffs
Speaker 2: and he gets sick of it. And they're starting to
Speaker 2: extort more money out of him now that the Mob
Speaker 2: is partner with Colonel Parker. Now Colonel Parker is being threatened.
Speaker 2: Why because the Mob knows that he's not a citizen,
Speaker 2: so they're squeezing him. So the more they squeeze Colonel Parker,
Speaker 2: the more Colonel Parker squeezes Elvis. When Elvis died, he
Speaker 2: only had a million dollars in the bank. Where the
Speaker 2: hell all the money go? Elvis sold six billion records
Speaker 2: and this is at a time actually they don't have
Speaker 2: an accurate count. It was at least that the recording
Speaker 2: industry artists of America started tallying record sales well after
Speaker 2: Elvis had his first his biggest years, six billion records?
Speaker 2: Where'd all the money go? Which is probably going to
Speaker 2: be the focus of another book I'm going to write
Speaker 2: on Elvis at some point in the future. So Elvis
Speaker 2: is swimming in mob. He can't get away from him.
Speaker 2: So he goes to Nixon and he wants this narcotics
Speaker 2: badge because he wants to carry guns. He also surrounds himself.
Speaker 2: He starts getting into martial arts. Elvis is a black belt,
Speaker 2: and he starts to surround his Memphis mafia with other
Speaker 2: people who were black belts, who were bad dudes. It's
Speaker 2: starting to get very hot and heated around him, so
Speaker 2: Nixon says, sure, I'd love to have you. Elvis Presley
Speaker 2: hated drugs, street drugs. One of the things they wanted
Speaker 2: Elvis to do during the two months a year that
Speaker 2: he spent through his contract working at the International Hotel
Speaker 2: which became the Las Vegas Hilton, and who the hell
Speaker 2: knows what it is now everything's changing out there was
Speaker 2: to hide FBI agents in his band. So their job,
Speaker 2: i mean, Elvis's road crew was it was twenty one
Speaker 2: tracker trailers. That's how big his show was. So I
Speaker 2: mean you only need you know, who needs five backup
Speaker 2: vocal singers, right, So he was hiding these FBI agents
Speaker 2: in his band, and their job is to bring down
Speaker 2: the Mob. They were all caught, all of them. So
Speaker 2: Elvis died very mysteriously a few days before he was
Speaker 2: supposed to turn state's evidence against the mob, and how
Speaker 2: they murdered him not going to given them away. How
Speaker 2: they murdered him was a situation where the Mob is
Speaker 2: very good at a few things, Okay, one of them
Speaker 2: is creating causes of death that are very very hard
Speaker 2: or impossible to even detect. And I go into it
Speaker 2: in the book. I won't go into it here. But
Speaker 2: Elvis got stuck between the mob and the FBI, and
Speaker 2: so many of the high profile people did, and it's
Speaker 2: very hard for me. I've been looking into this for
Speaker 2: about fifteen years now. I got two books written on it.
Speaker 2: I'll probably do a third at some point. It's very
Speaker 2: difficult for me, even with every thing that i know,
Speaker 2: even with all the Memphis Mafia I've talked to, even
Speaker 2: with speaking with his doctor and talking to the people
Speaker 2: at the autopsy, it's very interesting. When I watch him
Speaker 2: on stage, or I watched like a Loha from Hawaii
Speaker 2: or something, or I'll watch a movie, I still can't
Speaker 2: come to grips with the fact that they murdered this guy.
Speaker 2: It's very hard to come to grips with.
Speaker 1: It's incredible. He was young, forty two. I mean, the
Speaker 1: achievements that he had were incredible. I mean, but he
Speaker 1: hed the people that he was surrounded with. He had
Speaker 1: already divorced Priscilla, He had relationships with woman that he
Speaker 1: was never going to marry. He was not interested in
Speaker 1: marrying again.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, it depends on who you talk to. You know,
Speaker 2: this is again this is some of the official fiction
Speaker 2: and what you decide to believe. Apparently he was engaged
Speaker 2: and he was going to marry another girl. Allegedly, who
Speaker 2: knows if that's true. I mean, a lot gets stuck
Speaker 2: up in legend and lore. It's very hard for when
Speaker 2: I write these books, they have to be Mistress bock
Speaker 2: kind it and I can't, you know, I have to
Speaker 2: look at the logic of it and the evidence of it.
Speaker 2: And the evidence is absolutely the evidence is is fantastic.
Speaker 2: When Colonel Parker, when Elvis died, Colonel Parker was probably
Speaker 2: one of the most degenerate gamblers we've ever seen. When
Speaker 2: he died in nineteen seventy seven, he owned thirty two
Speaker 2: million dollars to the to the Las Vegas casinos.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's incredible.
Speaker 2: He kept booking Elvis there and it was forty dollars
Speaker 2: to watch Elvis with a gourmet meal, and people certainly
Speaker 2: would have paid more. Elvis got great attendance records, and
Speaker 2: Colonel Parker was at the tables and it was just
Speaker 2: it was incredible that you know, I hate to keep
Speaker 2: using that word, but I mean, I don't know if
Speaker 2: there is another word that all of this mix is
Speaker 2: going on around this country. Kid who could just sing?
Speaker 2: I mean, it was just amazing. This is why Elvis
Speaker 2: hated the business end of it. He just loved to
Speaker 2: go on stage and sing. He hated the business end
Speaker 2: of it because he knew they were all corrupt and
Speaker 2: he knew that they were all trying to steal from them.
Speaker 2: And they were.
Speaker 1: Though, that's the whole thing. Like, wasn't his retinue like
Speaker 1: notoriously free with his money and all kinds of stuff?
Speaker 1: Like they were abusing his generosity?
Speaker 2: Right, I'm sorry you'll like to repeat that he broke well.
Speaker 1: I just thought that that that the entourage around Elvis,
Speaker 1: Elvis abused his generosity. They were notorious for that.
Speaker 2: Well, they didn't have to abuse it very well. They
Speaker 2: didn't have to ask for anything because he just gave
Speaker 2: and gave and gave. I mean, there was one. This
Speaker 2: guy was really This guy was really something. I mean
Speaker 2: the more I the more I rese h and learned
Speaker 2: about this guy, and the more I talked to some
Speaker 2: of the Memphis Mafia members, the more I started to
Speaker 2: realize what an incredible human being this guy was. There
Speaker 2: was a story where, I mean he would give away
Speaker 2: Cadillacs and motorcycles like it was lunch money. It was
Speaker 2: just absolutely it was just absolutely amazing. There was one
Speaker 2: story where he was at a Cadillac dealership in California
Speaker 2: and he was in there buying. Excuse me, he's in
Speaker 2: there buying. It was just a Cadillac day. You decided
Speaker 2: he was gonna go buy Cadillacs for everybody. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's making one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars a
Speaker 2: week playing on stage, you know, two three times a night,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean nobody works like that anymore in Vegas.
Speaker 2: I mean it was almost entertainment servitude. I mean, now
Speaker 2: you play, you know every now and then two three
Speaker 2: shows a night. He was so tired by the time
Speaker 2: he got done playing that he was about cross eyed,
Speaker 2: you know. So he's making one hundred and twenty five
Speaker 2: grand a Week's a lot of money. So he decides
Speaker 2: he's gonna go. When Elvis bought a Catdillac, he bought
Speaker 2: him for everyone that was around him. Same with motorcycles,
Speaker 2: same with horses, same with trucks, everything. So it was
Speaker 2: Cadillac day. So Elvis decides he wants this baby blue
Speaker 2: Cadillac with a white top, and he didn't didn't matter
Speaker 2: to him if he gave it away the next day.
Speaker 2: He wanted that day, right, So he goes to this
Speaker 2: Cadillac dealership and they can't find exactly what he's looking for.
Speaker 2: So he said, okay, well, Rerd, you're gonna get this
Speaker 2: one on sunny, you're gonna get that one, and this
Speaker 2: one's gonna get that one. Still no car for Elvis, right,
Speaker 2: So as they're walking out, there's this woman walking down
Speaker 2: the street, and this dealership is not in the greatest
Speaker 2: of neighborhoods. So this girl walks up for an autograph.
Speaker 2: She's about thirty, and Elvis can tell she doesn't have
Speaker 2: much she was she looked a little shabby, so he said,
Speaker 2: she said, what are you doing here, and he said, well,
Speaker 2: I'm buying a couple of Cadillacts. You know, we just
Speaker 2: we just decided on a whim to get Cadillacs. So
Speaker 2: he started talking to her. She was married and had
Speaker 2: two kids, and a long story short, he bought all
Speaker 2: of the guys with him Cadillacs that day. He bought
Speaker 2: her a Cadillac. He bought her husband a Cadillac and
Speaker 2: both of hers Sona's Cadillacs.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I mean, he just he spent money. I
Speaker 1: heard that he would get I would send a plane
Speaker 1: to get his favorite sandwich from some place in Colorado.
Speaker 1: That story wouldn't surprise me. Yeah, like I just want
Speaker 1: that sandwich.
Speaker 2: Send the plane when you're and you can have anything
Speaker 2: you want, anytime you want, from anybody you want it from.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, did you ever find out what happened to all
Speaker 1: his money? I mean, his heerrors are still worth a fortune,
Speaker 1: aren't they.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I can't speak for them, but I
Speaker 2: I do know where a lot of the money went.
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna I'm gonna hold onto that one because
Speaker 2: that came to me through two Memphis Mafia members who
Speaker 2: were no longer with us, and I think that's privileged information. So,
Speaker 2: speaking of privileged information, I thought I was the only
Speaker 2: When the new Elvis was murdered, Boy was I surprised.
Speaker 2: So the first Elvis Presley's father, Vernon Presley, the first
Speaker 2: words out of his mouth, oh my god, they've murdered
Speaker 2: my son. So, I mean this begs two questions who
Speaker 2: are they and why did they murder him? So Vernon
Speaker 2: Presley was so convinced that Elvis Presley was murdered he
Speaker 2: hired two private investigators to find the murderer. Wow, and
Speaker 2: Vernon died. They were hot on the trail and they
Speaker 2: were closing in. The problem was Vernon died shortly after Elvis.
Speaker 2: So all of the information that Vernon had ended up
Speaker 2: in my book, and I ended up like following through
Speaker 2: with it. There was a lot of people, Dick grob
Speaker 2: who just died. He was Elvis's chief of security. We
Speaker 2: lost Dick, I don't know about sixteen eighteen months ago.
Speaker 2: I did not know. Dick grab was one of the
Speaker 2: only Memphis Mafia members that I didn't know. He wrote
Speaker 2: the book The Elvis Conspiracy. He was on duty there
Speaker 2: night and he wrote in his book some of the
Speaker 2: things were extremely strange. He completely believed that Elvis was murdered.
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't know this. I published this book
Speaker 2: and then all these people come out of the woodwork. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what a great book. We knew he was murdered too,
Speaker 2: and he got to be kidding me. Ginger Alden. One
Speaker 2: of the quotes that she has said that they were
Speaker 2: talking about foul play when they were investigating Graceland, and
Speaker 2: she said she couldn't rule it out. Vernon was questioning her,
Speaker 2: and you know, I mean she couldn't. She couldn't rule
Speaker 2: it out. Susannah Lee. This is a very interesting story.
Speaker 2: Susannah Lee was Elvis's co star in Paradise Hawaiian Style,
Speaker 2: Super Nice Lady sixteens, a horrible batter with battle with
Speaker 2: liver cancer. And she said she knew and immediately that
Speaker 2: Elvis was that Elvis had been murdered. And she said
Speaker 2: she was terror to do the scenes with him because
Speaker 2: she had just left a movie with someone else and
Speaker 2: they were not very nice. And Elvis is the biggest
Speaker 2: star in the world. Elvis Presley was more famous than
Speaker 2: anybody who's ever been famous.
Speaker 1: Average people the King, right, that was his nickname.
Speaker 2: You're not kidding. Average people talk about meeting celebrities. Celebrity talk,
Speaker 2: celebrities talk about meeting Elvis. I mean, this is he's
Speaker 2: the King, he really is. So she's terrified to meet him.
Speaker 2: And the first three or four scenes that she did
Speaker 2: weren't even with Elvis. They're with body doubles. There were
Speaker 2: two body doubles, one named Matt and one named John.
Speaker 2: And she did tell me their last names, but it's
Speaker 2: long gone now I can't recall. But she said they
Speaker 2: were the same size. They were surgically altered to look
Speaker 2: like Elvis. Wow. And you know, like I mean, obviously
Speaker 2: you go to you know, fun Ackapoco. Elvis was not
Speaker 2: diving off those cliffs. I got news for you. There
Speaker 2: were stunt men in body doubles. And she said the
Speaker 2: movie was well under way before she met Elvis. And
Speaker 2: if you look at Paradise Hawaiian Style, there is a
Speaker 2: photograph of her where their arms around Elvis. And it's
Speaker 2: a photograph and it's who we're looking at the camera.
Speaker 2: Except there's problem with that. That's not Elvis. This guy
Speaker 2: his very big jowels. He had a U face shape
Speaker 2: or a U shaped face. Elvis had a very triangular face.
Speaker 2: So this Elvis is a live thing. This is who
Speaker 2: these people are seeing. These people are of that age
Speaker 2: after Elvis died, and I believe me, I wish he
Speaker 2: was still alive. The man is not alive. If he is,
Speaker 2: he's walking around without most of his vital organs because
Speaker 2: the doctors still have him in dry ice or they
Speaker 2: did last time. I knew this is who these people
Speaker 2: are seeing. And I used to I used to be
Speaker 2: part of that. Elvis is a live group because they
Speaker 2: are finding things, They are finding evidence to suggest that
Speaker 2: he's alive. Problem is the evidence that they're finding has
Speaker 2: been planted there for them to find, because the more
Speaker 2: time we spend looking for Elvis at Burger King, the
Speaker 2: less time we spent solving this murder. So they have
Speaker 2: to let this go and they have to get on
Speaker 2: board with the rest of the body of evidence. And
Speaker 2: I was in that camp for a long time too,
Speaker 2: until I saw the whole rest of the story. And
Speaker 2: now I realize, you know how badly they want him.
Speaker 2: They wanted them dead, and it got to the point
Speaker 2: where they were coming after him so hard that right
Speaker 2: after Aloha from Hawaii February eighteenth, Elvis is on stage
Speaker 2: in Vegas and four guys rushed the stage. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is this is substantial. So a couple guys. Elvis
Speaker 2: had been getting death frats and now it's getting physical.
Speaker 2: Now it's really ratcheting up. So Elvis had his security
Speaker 2: crew around him all the time, and they were behind
Speaker 2: the curtain watching the crowd just for this reason. You know,
Speaker 2: four guys rushed the stage. Three of them got taken
Speaker 2: out by the bodyguards. One of them got to Elvis,
Speaker 2: and Elvis is off to the left hand side of
Speaker 2: the stage really didn't he wasn't paying attention, you know,
Speaker 2: he was probably kissing some girl or some stupid thing.
Speaker 2: So when he turns around, there's this guy you know,
Speaker 2: coming after him, and Elvis footswept him into the crowd.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is and there was somebody who had
Speaker 2: video of that that I was trying to buy the
Speaker 2: rights to that video, and I kind of fell apart.
Speaker 2: They wouldn't sell. But I mean, this isn't conspiracy talk,
Speaker 2: this is real talk. So they really wanted Elvis Presley
Speaker 2: dead for a lot of reasons. You know, he started
Speaker 2: to cancel shows he had. He went on the Alis
Speaker 2: with Colonel Parker, and Elvis Presley was standing in the
Speaker 2: way of a treasure trove of profits. They started box
Speaker 2: Car Enterprises in nineteen seventy four, which was kind of
Speaker 2: like Elvis Presley Enterprises, way before Elvis Presley Enterprises. So
Speaker 2: what that did is it was designed to make make
Speaker 2: money off his image, off his name and Elvis got
Speaker 2: a piece of it, but like most of Colonel Parker's
Speaker 2: business dealings, it was grossly unfair to Elvis. So you
Speaker 2: have to ask yourself. August sixteenth, nineteen seventy seven year old,
Speaker 2: like I am, you'll know where you were when this happened,
Speaker 2: because the world gassed, right, all right?
Speaker 1: How did they like Diana's Yeah, people remember when they were.
Speaker 2: How did they have all the records printed up Rady
Speaker 2: to sell? How did they have all all the t
Speaker 2: shirts printed up in front of Graceland to sell? If
Speaker 2: they didn't know he was going to be murdered or
Speaker 2: if he wasn't you know, I mean this is nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy seven. It's a little hard to today with more technology.
Speaker 2: I mean you can you can spin off a record
Speaker 2: like that. It takes a whis in nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 2: I mean this is vinyl. So you have to ask yourself,
Speaker 2: if you're a conspiracy person or not, how the hell
Speaker 2: did they have all of them printed way ahead of time?
Speaker 2: It's very interesting, very interesting question.
Speaker 1: Very interesting. Speaking of questions, somebody has a question for you.
Speaker 1: Can you answer, Kindnesscake asking Steven elaborate on any FBI
Speaker 1: involvement please.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Involvement by Elvis, I mean just.
Speaker 1: In the situation like was he affiliated with the FBI
Speaker 1: or anything like that.
Speaker 2: That was definitely became an informant for the FBI or there.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was specifically for the FBI,
Speaker 2: but he had a great working relationship with Nixon and
Speaker 2: in those types of FBI, you know, Alphabet agency, you
Speaker 2: know Alphabet agencies, and our law enforcement because you have
Speaker 2: to realize, we had just gone through the radical sixties,
Speaker 2: We went through the Vietnam protests, and people were sick
Speaker 2: of it, and Elvis was very patriotic and he wanted
Speaker 2: to do his part. He wanted to take down this
Speaker 2: drug element because Elvis had a daughter and he was
Speaker 2: worried about what was coming up in America. He didn't
Speaker 2: want his daughter to grow up in that America. So
Speaker 2: he definitely was uh, you know, he got his Federal
Speaker 2: Narcotics badch for lots and lots of reasons. And there
Speaker 2: are pictures in my book. Again, Oh, let's talk about
Speaker 2: getting the book. I mean, if you really want to
Speaker 2: get this, grab it. They're going away, actually physical books
Speaker 2: are going away. I'm I have a handful left, and
Speaker 2: when they're gone, they're gone. I'm going all digital. I've
Speaker 2: had it with physical books. I'm tired of supply chain issues.
Speaker 2: I'm tired of the price bouncing all around, and it's
Speaker 2: getting to the point where i have to sell a
Speaker 2: book for thirty bucks, and I'm not going to do that,
Speaker 2: you know, I uh, I just I've just had it
Speaker 2: with the entire thing. So I'm going all ebook an
Speaker 2: audiobook very soon. So if you want your physical books
Speaker 2: to get them, go to whom murdered books dot com
Speaker 2: and I'll leave an autographic for you.
Speaker 1: And I've got an autograph copy right here myself.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean that said, I'm done with physical books.
Speaker 2: I get a handful left, and when they're gone, they're gone.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was the nerve with this book. I
Speaker 2: was on television in Memphis twice, well one, two, three times,
Speaker 2: and I was invited back a few times, and I
Speaker 2: just never went. I was coming off the studio and
Speaker 2: I was talking about the book, and it was Elvis Week,
Speaker 2: which they used to call Death Week, but now they've
Speaker 2: guess they they shopped it around on Elvis Week, sounded
Speaker 2: much better, so they call it Elvis week. Now it
Speaker 2: was a week he died. So I'm coming out of
Speaker 2: the studio and I'm walking in my car and this
Speaker 2: police officer walks up to me and this guy. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm no tiny guy, I'm six three. This guy is gigantic.
Speaker 2: I mean, this dude looked like a sheet of plywood,
Speaker 2: all right, and he's dressed like a cop. And he
Speaker 2: asks me, He says, are you the one that was
Speaker 2: just on television talking about Elvis's murder? And I said, yes,
Speaker 2: I'm thinking this guy wants a book or an autograph
Speaker 2: or something. The guy turned sideways and puts his thumb
Speaker 2: on the top of his holster. I said, if I
Speaker 2: were you, I wouldn't start naming names. And man, I
Speaker 2: ain't never been so scared before in my life. So
Speaker 2: there's definitely something in Graceland or I'm sorry, in Memphis specific.
Speaker 2: There are people who know a lot of things down
Speaker 2: there and they're not talking. Susanna Lee, I have to
Speaker 2: come back to this story. Susanna Lee made the mistake.
Speaker 2: She was great friends with Al but she lived in Memphis,
Speaker 2: and she was great friends of his father. Elvis died,
Speaker 2: Graceland was and she was helping Vernon go through all
Speaker 2: of this, because Vernon wasn't in great health either. So
Speaker 2: she made the mistake of going on television in nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy eight saying, when are we going to solve the
Speaker 2: murder of Elvis Prizley that everybody knows happened, but no
Speaker 2: one's talking about. As a matter of fact, even today,
Speaker 2: there are whispers around Graceland with some of the employees,
Speaker 2: and I know their names, and I'm not going to
Speaker 2: repeat them because I can't. They kind of know something happened.
Speaker 2: It's not status quo. Why do you think they don't
Speaker 2: want you upstairs at Graceland. You can't start walking through
Speaker 2: a crime scene. This is the big case in history,
Speaker 2: and no one's talking about it anyway. Susana Lee mentions it,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, they they shot. Somebody shot
Speaker 2: at her a couple of times. They clipped their brake lines.
Speaker 2: Somebody jumped the wall to her condo. And she was
Speaker 2: a big dog lover and she had seven dogs, and
Speaker 2: they killed six of her dogs. And one of the
Speaker 2: dogs was out in the garden and the guy didn't
Speaker 2: see it, and the other dog just made mince meat
Speaker 2: out of the guy. He got prosecuted. They finally stopped
Speaker 2: the subtle tactics and just burned her house down. I
Speaker 2: mean this is she really paid a hell of a price.
Speaker 2: And she was in the middle of writing. She has
Speaker 2: one book out, Paradise Susanna style. Actually it's been a
Speaker 2: long time ago, and she was in the middle of it.
Speaker 2: She was right at the end of publishing her last
Speaker 2: book about his murder. And we lost her. And I
Speaker 2: was told that I can't do anything with it, obviously,
Speaker 2: But people out there know the truth for sure. They're
Speaker 2: just not talking and I think they're afraid to talk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've probably been threatened. Right, you talked about Jared Parker.
Speaker 1: Some guy took some bullets too, right. Yeah.
Speaker 2: On the back of that book, there is a fella
Speaker 2: who is there's a picture of him murdered and bleeding,
Speaker 2: and his name is Jared Parker. Jared Parker. You can't
Speaker 2: make this up. Jared Parker was going to be the
Speaker 2: keynote speaker at an annual Elvis Presley conference in two
Speaker 2: thousand and seven, I think, and he had purchased at
Speaker 2: auction letters that Elvis Presley had written saying that people
Speaker 2: were following him and you know, he was worried about
Speaker 2: his safety and so forth on the way to give
Speaker 2: this keynote speech or this keynote dress. The guy gets murdered,
Speaker 2: and guess what, They steal the letters that he had
Speaker 2: bought saying that that Elvis had you know and.
Speaker 1: Steve were at the forty five minute mark. The best
Speaker 1: place to get the book is through who murder books
Speaker 1: dot com? Is that correct?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's my website. I'm sure that that's the cheapest
Speaker 2: place to get it. Don't even bother looking at any
Speaker 2: other places I saw it on. I saw it somewhere
Speaker 2: for sale for fourteen hundred bucks. It's insane. Why would
Speaker 2: anybody pay that for anybody's book unless you're, you know,
Speaker 2: somebody much more famous than I am. Go to murder
Speaker 2: books dot com if you want me to send it
Speaker 2: to autographic to somebody, if it's somebody's birth there or something,
Speaker 2: I'll do it, no problem. I'd like to get rid
Speaker 2: of the handful of books I have left so I
Speaker 2: can go all audiobook now. No, so I am reading
Speaker 2: my own my own audiobooks.
Speaker 1: Right, And there's a lot more in this book. You
Speaker 1: can approach the same you approach the subject of his
Speaker 1: murder the same way you did Diana, So you take
Speaker 1: out anybody who can't be So it's like a proper investigative,
Speaker 1: progressive approach. So I highly recommend people check out this book.
Speaker 1: Is there anything you'd like to add or anything, I'm missy.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to tell everybody that how I do
Speaker 2: my books is I tell the story in the first
Speaker 2: two chapters, and then I tell the official fiction, and
Speaker 2: then I go back with the questions and I answer
Speaker 2: the questions, and I come up with a pool of suspects,
Speaker 2: and I run the suspects through an investigation. Motive means
Speaker 2: an opportunity, So basically that's what writes the book. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of like a sculptor who just chips away
Speaker 2: everything that you know is unnecessary to be seen. So
Speaker 2: all of my books are written like that. There's six chapters,
Speaker 2: around two hundred pages. They're quick, easy reads. I keep
Speaker 2: them short because I know people are busy. Okay, my
Speaker 2: next book is going to be on Nikola Tesla. It's
Speaker 2: amazing to me how Nikola Tesla, who is a guy
Speaker 2: who didn't really care about financial gain, how he stepped
Speaker 2: on so many people's toes with great power, and in
Speaker 2: the end they got him and stole all of his information.
Speaker 2: And we're using Wi Fi today because of Nicola Tesla. Wow,
Speaker 2: he was going to give it away today, they're charging
Speaker 2: for it. That's going to be a hell of a book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, check it out again. The author's name is Steve
Speaker 1: Hubaney and I will put the link to his website
Speaker 1: who murdered books dot com in the show notes, Steve,
Speaker 1: thanks so much for your time.
Speaker 2: Hey, it's always a pleasure. Thanks for having me stay there.
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