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dare you ill? Guests on the show do not reflect

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is to have interesting conversations, stretch our minds and.

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Speaker 1: Grow not what we want.

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Speaker 2: If you are looking for an echo chamber viewer and

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listener discretion, he's advised. Did you talk about extreme.

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Speaker 3: Anoledge crime?

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Speaker 4: We were guilty from the sun.

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Speaker 3: They don't fear the questions, they fear the fuck.

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Speaker 4: So we see.

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Speaker 3: See they come.

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Speaker 1: The dark.

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Speaker 3: Shows what real?

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Speaker 1: Nay, guys, what is happening? And what is up? Hold

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out that class, baby? You know what time it is?

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various platforms, that would be much, much appreciated. Man, I'm

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excited to get into this one. I'm always excited ninety

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nine point nine percent of the time with these conversations.

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But me and this guy we actually connected pretty good.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: He's a brother from another mother. We had a really

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good conversation actually from the time of this recording, not

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that long ago, maybe a couple of weeks, we did

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a live together talking about Appalachian cryptids. So I have

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brought this man back. So this is a returning guest.

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So I'd like to welcome back to the show, mister

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David Hardy. How you doing, sir?

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Speaker 3: What is up? Doc? It's great to talk with you again.

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Speaker 1: That's right, man, I try to get the MM in there.

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Speaker 4: Is that right?

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Speaker 3: You did good? You did? You got them in there?

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You did good?

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Speaker 4: Nice? Drugs are bad? Okay?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 1: Well man, maybe just for those that maybe missed our

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first conversation, just go ahead and introduce yourself.

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Speaker 4: You know who you is, what you do, and why

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are we here today?

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Speaker 3: Awesome? Yeah. I am an author illustrator. I have written

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two books. I have written two awesome books that are

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flying off the shelves, Ayplatching Cryptis and creatures and the

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brand new moth Man and illustrated history, and so I

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got lots of research into these cryptids and all sorts

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of things. But I've also drawn them multiple times, multiple iterations,

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and then put them on T shirts and I travel

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the country talking about cryptids selling T shirts. Got some

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big cool stuff ahead. But that's what I do. I

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love cryptids, love monsters and all of those things.

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Speaker 1: Nice man, And you tell you passionate about it, man,

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because it it shows do and your work. You can

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tell when somebody's doing something that they love to do

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because it just radiates from their work.

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Speaker 4: And you're just a real lively guy.

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Speaker 1: Man, I really appreciate that about you.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that you're a lively guy too. We became

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friends of that last that last podcast. That was great.

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That was a fantastic time. We talked about everything. Well,

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you told me it could be about anything and everything.

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You were one hundred percent right.

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Speaker 1: I just like having conversations and I just kind of

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Speaker 4: That's that's the best.

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I want to I want to educate you. You know

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you we were talking last time. You said, Man, there's

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be asked able to ask any question. I'm gonna get

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into some of the unhinged theories because there's so many

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theories on Mothman out there, and the origins and all

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of the different stuff. I mean, Mothman is crazy popular,

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like ridiculously, like you just see him everywhere. Mothman was

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many of them. I've designed some of them, I have thought,

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of the moth Man Museum in Point Pleasant, West Virginia,

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they It's amazing how they started. They bought like twenty

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just NonStop. And I cannot believe between the Neon Mothman

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shirt and the Mountain Dew moth Man shirt, how these

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check everything out like that. That's crazy to me. Yeah,

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global entities that want to come in and see what

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America has to offer in all of our fantastic culture.

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you know, because it was from people from all over

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the world. But they were talking to like I can't remember,

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like people from England or Europe and they're down there

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Speaker 3: That they had the French eating a cheese steak, a

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Philly cheese steak for the first time, like you know,

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that is probably an assault to everything that they love

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in their fit. But uh, America, baby Murca.

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Speaker 4: That's right. Welcome to America. You have chosen wisely.

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Speaker 3: I love it. That's great.

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Speaker 1: Well, David Mann, the rains are yours, brother, take us

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on this ride, Man, I got hold up. Yeah, all right,

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I'm buckled in. Let's go buggled in.

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Speaker 3: I don't want you falling out. I don't want to

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want you falling out. So Mothman here. You know, I

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heard one time somebody said, the only things you need

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to know about Mothman is Mothman sixty six, the curse

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of Cheap Cornstock, the Silverbridge collapse. That's all you need

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to know about Mafman. That there's a whole lot more

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to moth Man than just that. But I don't know

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if your listeners know that many people blame the Mothman

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in cur version of nineteen sixty six sixty seven on

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an ancient Native American curse. So there's this story, and

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translates to stock of corn or cornstock, so that's why

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his name is corn chief Cornstock. And he was a

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he was very formidable. He fought against the colonials and

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comrades or whatnot. In right around the Revolutionary War in

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that space, and there's this there was a full for

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Randall in what is now Point Pleasant, West Virginia, and

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he went to warn the colonials that other tribes were

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joining up with the Redcoats right the English, and he

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a war. Well, when he went to Fort Randall, and

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Randall and a outside of the camp a man was killed,

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a like he wouldn't have been American, been a colonial

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when Chief Cornstock came in and this had nothing to

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to you know, in while getting shot or as he's

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bleeding out, he pronounces this curse against the white man,

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against the entire region, and it's a multi century curse,

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and quite a bit of people believe in this curse.

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a guy who was related to Chief Cornstock, so he

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there's quite a bit of historical evidence that this occurred,

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probably not the way that we tell the story and

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you know, dramatize it, but it did happened. He was murdered,

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and that something is amiss as a result of that,

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that entire region for hundreds of years has just had calamity,

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natural disaster and supernatural disasters. Prior to the Mothman, Like

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you name it, it has happened in this area. Of

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chuckle to myself. Now things are. You look at it

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and you go, oh, how could it be getting any worse? Well,

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guess what is getting worse? Because they're coming in and

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there's a lot of government land and they're putting in

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data centers. They're putting in all these data centers and

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all this stuff around, and it's like, oh, how can

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it get worse? Well, guess what? Here it comes. We

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don't know what data centers do to you, but you're

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gonna find out white bleas in West Virginia. So they're

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trying to fight that right now. But there's after that

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happened a lot of bad things, and there are people,

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many people believe that an actual legitimate curse was put

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upon the land and that the Mothman and all these

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other phenomena flow from that curse. So, yeah, you looked

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them up. There's Tea Cornstock right there. He was. He

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and it was like blatantly just cowardice to have killed him,

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like there was no reason that it was completely. It

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was just terrible, and there's quite a bit of guilt

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there too. I think there's generational guilt with uh, this murder.

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Speaker 4: You know, I never knew that.

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Speaker 3: There there's a sculpture of him in Point Pleasant and

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he's got a nose ring, he's got a big spirit

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there you go, He's got his tomahawk and all the stuff.

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that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 4: That's a pretty cool drawing right there.

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Speaker 3: Uh, that's Jamie Snell. That drawing. I know that guy.

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That's Jamie Snell, and I'm friends with him.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: I know heating right here with that that Chief Cornstalk

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is a is a shape shifter and it's actually him

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the moth man. Is that what he's insinuating?

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's not. I don't know that it's actually him.

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but I don't think that they say that Chief Cornstalk

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himself is the shape shifter. That uh, the the the

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spirit though, that mischie mento, which is like the great spirit.

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There's a lot of there's a lot of similarities. See

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you have. They're saying Mothman is is not a moth Okay,

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this is gonna blow your mind. And even I know, listen,

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I got him represented as a insectoid moth on my

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covered in bost most iterations. But that's just because that's

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what society believes. Mothman is. All of the moth Man's settings,

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he was a giant bird or a bird like creature

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and avian apparition, if you will, So the moth Man

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is probably closer to like the thunderbird. In fact, I

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talked to a guy at a festival that swears he

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saw Mothman and thunderbird like it was this creature that

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was fit both descriptions. And he his argument was, people

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have just been seeing what what we've called thunderbird. So

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Mofman and thunder are almost interchangeable. And it's a giant,

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massive bird and he said it's, yes, it has man

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like features, but it's much more avia. It's it's almost

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like the way he described it was like a giant vulture.

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Speaker 4: But nobody canadactic.

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Speaker 3: Something. Yeah, they don't have beaks. I will say that

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in most iterations, they don't have beaks, which leads a

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lot of people to say, well, it's a giant owl.

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It's not okay, Like I'm like some of these things.

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It's easier to just say like people were drunk on

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moonshine and they had no idea what they were seeing.

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Them trying to blame it on something naturalistic, like they

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just saw owl. No, they knew what owls were. Okay, yeah,

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that was not what they saw. And an owl is

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not nearly I mean they're talking fifteen foot wingspans seven

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feet tall. Owls don't get that big. Okay, that's not

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even that close. And they yeah, there's of these things

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that would would suffice either people saw it or they

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did it, but it's not an owl. Right So yeah, there,

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So in nineteen sixty six there when we talk about flaps, Okay,

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so a flap is a bunch of sightings at one

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time in a region. Right. So recently we had this

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flap of bigfoot sightings in Ohio. There was like eight

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or nine sightings all within a few days, and then

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a meteor went over Cleveland, you know, which was this

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really weird situation that everybody's like, well we see everybody's

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seeing Bigfoot and then a meteor, right, what's what is

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happening here? You know? And so that's a flap. Okay,

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there were some flaps in Pennsylvania, the invasion of test

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nut Ridge and different spaces where it's just like sighting

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after sighting, because most of these Kryptons that we hear about,

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we've seen, like their ice related sightings. It happens just

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like once or twice in this done. But you've got

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from nineteen sixty six, so like November of nineteen sixty

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six all the way through to sixty seven. Is these

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just crazy amount of Mothman setnings? Again, I have heard

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that it is one hundred and sixty two different sightings

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that were taken to the police and authorities. Okay, so

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these are not just like your random neighbors like hey, oh,

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yesterday I saw that mag turkey buzers thinking that was

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the Mothman. No, like, these people are freaked out or

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terrified and are going to the authorities like demanding that

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at least some record is made. And you've got over

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that period of time something like one hundred and sixty

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two there were five hundred sightings of anomalies so like,

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because Mothman wasn't the only thing. And that's what I

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cover that in the Look, there's so much else going

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on here. I mean UFO sightings, sasquatch like creature sightings.

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Then you have the men in black. You even have

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a pterodactyl that shows up. Okay, now again according to witnesses,

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but UFOs all over the place.

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Speaker 1: I want to hear the he'll be only pterodactyl siding

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in Paris.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I will. I will tell you that. I

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will tell you that. We gotta get a little.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what always I was sitting on the

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front march. Well, it wasn't.

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Speaker 3: Now here's the thing, Hillbillies. It was actually airplane pilots.

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You saw this terandactyl. Now this is later into the story,

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but I mean I got it right here in my book.

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Taridaconal right next to the UFO. But they were in

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galap Police, Ohio, which is right across the river from

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Point Pleasant. I mean they're neighboring towns, but I mean

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you cross over that. People say, oh, they get some

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of this story messed up because it's Ohio and West Virginia, Ohio.

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They do not realize how close. I mean, like not

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even five minutes away. These are two the region and

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towns are bordering there. I mean it close to Peebles.

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Speaker 1: I know people's Ohio's where that Serpent Mound is. And

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I know it's southern Ohio.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, well it would be southern Ohio. I mean

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this is as southern Ohio as you can get because it's,

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you know, borders West Virginia, relatively close to Columbus, not

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in like Columbus and Cincinnati kinda gala. Police is somewhat

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near there. If there's not a whole lot around, it's

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not a thriving metropolis.

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Speaker 4: But people's not cornfields.

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Speaker 1: I was actually surprised when I went up there to

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Ohio my first time to see Serpent Mound and stuff.

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It was just nothing but farms and cornfields. I was like, man,

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it's just I told.

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Speaker 3: My Serpent Mountain story. No you I Oh fuck, this

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this happened now. I was so upset. So this is

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I've been getting into this stuff for quite some time.

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Let's say I started about ten years ago, right, and

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we were on the highway. This is about five years ago. Oh,

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this was during COVID. This was around that time. And

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I get on the highway and we're on the turnpike

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and you know, everybody's social distancinging different stuff. I take

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the kids in and go to the bathroom and I'm

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coming out because you know, we have to kind of

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do it in shifts. I got three kids and a

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wife and a dog, so everybody's got a pee and

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like shifts and all these things said, and you gotta

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make sure nobody gets taken or anything like that. So

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I take the kids in and my wife is talking

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to this guy and it's we were I think we

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were in Ohio. We're headed into Ohio and she's talking

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to this guy and he's super animated, being really really cool,

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and it was just like a nice conversation. But I

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had no idea what they were talking about. So I

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come back, I bring the kids back, and she goes, oh,

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that was such a nice man. You won't believe what

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He's gonna go check out. And I said, what's it

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going to go check out? She says, well, he's he's

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a researcher and he's gonna go check out one of

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the serpent mounds in Ohio. And I was like record scratch, like, honey,

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where is he which way did he go because he

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had left, and I'm like, I want to go talk

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to him. I need to talk to him. Oh my goodness,

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you know, is it like I was so excited, you know,

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I never found him, you know, but like, and he

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was telling her, now again I get this, you know. Uh,

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it's funny when you know these things because you've done

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the research and you've you've been in the spaces. But

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this guy conveying it to my wife was just saying,

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there's more serpent mountains in Ohio than probably almost anywhere

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else in the world. I mean other than the Middle East,

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but mate, I mean there's a ton of serpentmountain They're

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all over the place in Ohio. And in researching, he

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was explaining to her, you know how you can only

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see the Serpent Mound from an aerial view and it's

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like nigh in to perfect and it's the spiral mound,

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and then you've got all the things you know buried within,

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but then potentially like all the supernatural elements and things,

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and we don't know where they come from. And the

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Native Americans are not taking credit for it, and they

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want to stay very far away from it, and that

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there's all these weird sightings of creatures around those serpent mounds,

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which is somewhat disconcerting, you know, and so like what

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are these? And there's ones that you can just go

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up to, and then there's some that you cannot get

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to at all. But I was so upset. I'm like,

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this guy is probably, you know, a leading serpent mound researcher.

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I'll never know. It might have been you.

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Speaker 4: It was you, Graham Hancock.

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Speaker 3: If it was, it was granted they wasn't grand Hancock.

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Oh what do you think serpent mountains are? I need?

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I need. I'm gonna pick your brain for a second.

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What is your theory on serpent mountains? Give me the

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you know, the layman's I mean, I know a little bit,

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but like give me, like your what what do you

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truly believe that they were?

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Speaker 1: I think like the Serpent Mountain at Ohio it was

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kind of like a you know, a spiritual like complex

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because a lot of people don't realize is that that

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area there sits in a huge impact crater. So a

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meteor hit there and it made these you know, ridges

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and all this other kind of stuff, and then you know,

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you get into stones and they put off certain frequencies

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and energies and that kind of stuff too. I met

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a guy because I had a similar story. I went

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to Serpent Mount and someone was like, oh, have you

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been to the rock shop? And I was like no,

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because I mentioned giants And they were like, Oh, if

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you're into giants and all this other kind of stuff,

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you need to go to this rock shop. There's a

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guy there that's the researcher and he actually finds fossils

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like marine life from the flood and you know, Willie hollows,

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but troller bites or whatever. He said that he actually

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sent a bunch of them to the Smithsonian. He actually

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had an exhibit inside the Smithsonian for trolla bites and

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some of the biggest ones and stuff in our area.

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You need to go talk to him. And so when

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I went to talk to him, I got to interview him.

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He was really cool, but he was like yeah. He said,

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there's there's an energy about this place. He said, it

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might be from the meteorite or whatever.

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Speaker 4: He says.

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Speaker 1: There might be you know, delay lines too, he says.

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But he said, I think that the ancients whoever built this,

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he said, new they felt something special.

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Speaker 4: About this place, he said.

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Speaker 1: And then you know a lot of the local tribes

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say that they found it, you know, he said, But

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they just knew it was a special place, he said,

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in all the lunar alignments with the curves of the

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serpent and the mouth open towards the summer solstice, you know.

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And uh, they even had a huge standing stone monolith

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at the front end of the snake. I guess where

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that egg was. And they got tired of weed eating

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around it, so they threw it off that big bluff.

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But so I think that it was like a ritual

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ceremony place maybe of like renewal or something like that,

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or death.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think it's some kind of ritualistic type site. But

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there's mounds there too. A lot of people don't realize that.

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Speaker 3: Do you tie the Serpent Mountains into the seed war

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like the Genesis three and six Seed.

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Speaker 4: War or yeah? I think I think L. A.

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Speaker 1: Marzouli and Friz Zimmerman got a pretty good hypothesis, man,

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And they think that during the Great Diaspora, when Caleb

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and the boys were coming up cleansing the Holy Land,

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the smart ones, especially like the Phoenicians, they were a

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faring people. They packed their stuff up in ships and

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took off and fled, and they found their way into

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the New World. And he was saying that I can't

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remember how many, you know, hundreds of feet that the

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water levels have came down over the years, he said,

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he used to. He said, you could go into like

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the Massachusetts area and go straight into the Great Lakes.

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He said that from now you got the Ohio River

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Valley down, he said, and you have all the copper mines,

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all the Phoenician stone ridings and carvings that they found,

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and that what was it That royal at Lake Royale

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or Royale Island that borders the United States and Canada

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is like the world's largest copper mine. They found a

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huge Venician ship carved into a big stone out there,

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and then all the mounds. So he was like, I

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00:27:46,839 --> 00:27:48,880
think this shows this is where they were. They were

470
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,359
mining this copper, fueling the Bronze Age, going back and forth,

471
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,720
and they started going down that Ohio River valley, and

472
00:27:55,759 --> 00:27:58,920
that's why you have all those mounds concentrated through that area.

473
00:27:59,039 --> 00:27:59,839
That's that's theirs.

474
00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 3: M h m hmmm. Wow. Crazy stuff, crazy stuff, alternate history, right, like, yeah,

475
00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:12,000
no matter what we know. We know that the history books,

476
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,039
they're not telling the truth. They are giving their narrative,

477
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:23,279
and their narrative is about as vanilla, and uh, how

478
00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:24,680
do we put it? I mean, are they trying to

479
00:28:24,759 --> 00:28:27,920
lead you? I don't know. I mean, but is it

480
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,440
an intentional cover up or is it just we don't

481
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,240
want to make connections that maybe aren't there. But regardless,

482
00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:38,079
it's not a full picture of what occurred, right, I mean,

483
00:28:38,119 --> 00:28:43,440
these serpent mountains all over Ohio point to something, point

484
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:43,960
to something.

485
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 4: M yep, I agree.

486
00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think our history is a lot stranger than

487
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:50,160
what we think.

488
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:50,839
Speaker 4: And I don't know.

489
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,519
Speaker 1: I think it's maybe they they're afraid if they talk crazy,

490
00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:57,720
they'll be considered crazy and nobody will honor their work.

491
00:28:57,839 --> 00:29:00,440
And then you got egos into it too. See, people

492
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,640
spend their whole life developing a historical narrative, and then

493
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,039
when a giant bone is found or something that throws

494
00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:10,720
a kink in their theory or their life's work, instead

495
00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:15,319
of admitting the mistake and retracting and investigating, they're like, no,

496
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:16,920
this will kick me off my throne.

497
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,599
Speaker 4: I'm the we YEA.

498
00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 3: Thousands of newspaper articles about giant bones being found.

499
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, those are dummies. They didn't know how to read

500
00:29:25,759 --> 00:29:27,240
tape measures and.

501
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 3: You know, and then Abraham Lincoln makes the statement at

502
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:37,680
Niagara Falls definitively about those ancient giants whose bones we

503
00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:42,079
have today, Like you know, he states this as just

504
00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:45,920
an understood fact of the time, right, like as if

505
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,480
every if it was an inside joker or reference, everybody

506
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,400
would have gotten it, like yep, yep, I know, I

507
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,240
dug up from bones of my property too, you know.

508
00:29:55,319 --> 00:29:58,759
And then all of a sudden there are people, there

509
00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:05,200
are museums ways that hide giant bones, like giant human bones,

510
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,519
and all of a sudden, you know, at a certain year,

511
00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:12,680
what was it, like nineteen thirty, nineteen forty, all gone,

512
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,240
all gone, everything's taken, get rid of all the evidence,

513
00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:21,119
and you're like, well, why, what's you know, what's going

514
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:21,559
on with that?

515
00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: Like then they pass all those Native American laws you know,

516
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,279
to protect you know, their heritage and their bones and stuff.

517
00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:30,960
It's like, but they say they didn't make them, you know,

518
00:30:31,079 --> 00:30:33,200
so but then they had summer track and say, oh, yeah,

519
00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:35,319
yeah we made it, we made it, because you know,

520
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,680
they probably got their arm twisted to say that, or

521
00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:40,519
got paid some money to say that. And then now

522
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,759
you can't dig into them anymore because it's you know,

523
00:30:42,759 --> 00:30:45,680
I mean, it's you know, Native American heritage. So you

524
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,119
can't dig in it no more. But it's because they

525
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,559
don't want, you know, repeats of those eighteen hundred newspapers.

526
00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:54,240
Now we got good cameras, Now we know how to

527
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,200
read a tape measure, you know what I'm saying, So

528
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,119
they can't hide.

529
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:57,599
Speaker 4: It like they did.

530
00:30:57,799 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: So it's like, now we'll put it under this. Oh,

531
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,799
it's protective Native American heritage. So you know, the truth

532
00:31:04,839 --> 00:31:07,039
will stay buried or will the home in prison?

533
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:13,359
Speaker 3: Right right exactly? Yeah, well them in prison? Yeah. So

534
00:31:13,359 --> 00:31:14,920
so I mean, and you know, going back to the

535
00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:18,160
crazy stuff is happening with moth Man. You had like

536
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:21,440
in nineteen sixty six, you just have these sightings that

537
00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:25,359
just start popping up. There were I mean, there there

538
00:31:25,359 --> 00:31:31,640
were so many with you had like the US Guardsman.

539
00:31:32,359 --> 00:31:35,000
You had different ones, just different ones popping up with

540
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:36,839
the big one that we talked about last time was

541
00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:39,359
the four kids in the car and they get chased

542
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,960
and then this thing goes it blows up because they

543
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,279
did a They did a press conference right after this.

544
00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:50,359
So they bring these poor kids in. They're terrified. They

545
00:31:50,359 --> 00:31:53,680
haven't slept there. They're just, you know, trying to answer

546
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,920
these questions about this big giant bird. They kept calling

547
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:03,119
it the bird that sleop down and attack the car whatever.

548
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,400
You know. Together there's all the theories and whatnot, and

549
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,599
this thing goes viral. Okay, So for nineteen sixty six,

550
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,839
as the viral as you could possibly go, they were

551
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,680
running newspaper in the so with the ap right, it

552
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,960
went all the way to Tokyo. It goes I mean

553
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,839
they have newspaper clippings from Tokyo, Japan about this giant

554
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,359
bird from West Virginia. So like, I mean, that's how

555
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,920
far it goes. And everything gets blown up and then

556
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,960
everybody's looking for it, and you have sightings, you have things,

557
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:39,440
you have stuff, and it's just it's it's crazy. Over

558
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,680
this period of time. Then the men in Black show

559
00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:47,599
up and like, so you've had these you have the

560
00:32:47,759 --> 00:32:50,680
UFO things and you have the different stuff. But it

561
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,680
gets really really creepy and weird. I would say in

562
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,559
this story, I'm not even sure the moth Man's the villain.

563
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,599
I have my theories on what Mofman is, but the

564
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,759
Men in Black are freaking nefarious, like and there's and

565
00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:11,359
they could be so many different things. I remember growing

566
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,480
up in nineteen ninety seven eight whenever the movie came

567
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,359
out with Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones, and I

568
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:23,200
love the concept that I'm like disclosure, Yeah, right, seriously,

569
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:25,519
it really was. Oh, they've been getting us ready for

570
00:33:25,559 --> 00:33:29,599
this for years, for decades or more a century probably,

571
00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:35,079
But those Men in Black are not even remotely close

572
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,200
to the Men in Black, the original Men in Black

573
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,000
that all of this is based on from the fifties

574
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:44,200
and then the sixties, something would happen, there'd be a

575
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:50,440
paranormal event, and these crazy like I don't even want

576
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,559
to call them human beings because they're more creatures. They're

577
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,839
they have ill fitting skin that is like white and

578
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,000
clammy and it doesn't make say look it's like it's

579
00:34:01,079 --> 00:34:06,920
hanging on something. They are misshapen. They speak very oddly.

580
00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:10,840
Some of them drink bleach like. They do the weirdest,

581
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,840
craziest things. They're always like taking stuff. It's it's all.

582
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,480
It's very very strange. Some people said that they are

583
00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:21,480
lizard people, that they think that the men in black

584
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:26,239
are lizard people wearing the skin of something else. Others

585
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,199
have said they're sydeboards. Others have said they're you know,

586
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,320
aliens and all the different stuff. Regardless, they are other,

587
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:34,880
they are something other.

588
00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:52,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, why why.

589
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,039
Speaker 4: Such as.

590
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 3: Chris Farley R I P. Chris Farley, We didn't know what?

591
00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:00,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, the good ones always go quick, man.

592
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 3: I know, I know, so yeah, the I mean, the

593
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,079
men in Black come down and they're scaring everybody, and

594
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:10,519
it's like real nefarious, like they're like potentially kidnapping people.

595
00:35:11,079 --> 00:35:15,519
Like one of the witnesses was what a girl who

596
00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:17,920
had seen moth Man. They came after her and they

597
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,800
were gonna they were gonna take her. She was a

598
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,599
seventeen year old girl and they tried to pull her

599
00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:23,800
in the car and different things like that, and you're like,

600
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:28,599
this is this is crazy. In fact, there are beliefs

601
00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:30,679
that there's a there was a woman who was a

602
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,760
journalist or at the time, Mary Higher, and she's incredibly

603
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,639
important in the story, like it goes John Keel, he's

604
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:40,159
the number one investigator through all of this. He wrote

605
00:35:40,159 --> 00:35:43,119
the book The Mothmn Prophecies. But you have Mary Hier

606
00:35:43,159 --> 00:35:46,199
who puts everything together and you know, collects all this stuff,

607
00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:51,119
and she's local and they believe she died relatively right

608
00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:56,639
after the Silver Bridge collapse in sixty seven, and they

609
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,320
there are many of the witnesses that believe that the

610
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,360
men in Black Kilner, like, I mean, that's what they say,

611
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,840
you know, they attribute it to that, and you're like,

612
00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:09,719
oh my goodness, like what is going on here? This

613
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:16,639
is this is just absolutely bonkers. So yeah, strange, strange stuff.

614
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,360
And then so we have this bridge collapse then, so

615
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,039
that's the that's like the final piece, right, So we

616
00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:25,480
talk about Mothman, just have all the sightings, all the

617
00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:28,679
weird things. People when they see them, they get eyeburned

618
00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:32,960
these so they clean conjunctivitis and it's like pink eye

619
00:36:33,079 --> 00:36:36,039
but really really bad and burns everything. So all this

620
00:36:36,119 --> 00:36:39,920
different stuff and people are seeing him and now Mathman

621
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,079
never heard anybody other than dogs. Okay, lots of dogs

622
00:36:44,519 --> 00:36:48,440
got taken out by moth Man, but beyond that, we

623
00:36:48,519 --> 00:36:52,639
have no record, no records of Mothman hurting anybody. When

624
00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:56,400
we get to this, we get to finally this bridge collapse.

625
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,039
It was December fifteenth, I think, nineteen sixty seven, fifteenth or sixteen,

626
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:06,639
and it's the worst bridge collapse in US history. It's

627
00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:11,480
the Silver Bridge that connects gal Police, Ohio and Point Pleasant,

628
00:37:11,519 --> 00:37:14,840
West Virginia. It was just now. The bridge was old,

629
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,920
maintenance had not been done on it. They did not

630
00:37:18,199 --> 00:37:22,719
anticipate big trucks being able to be driving on it

631
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,199
all day long, and you know, all different things. But

632
00:37:26,519 --> 00:37:30,960
it's like right before Christmas and it's getting dark and

633
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:37,800
like an eyebolt breaks and this thing, just this massive

634
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,800
structure breaks and smash. As they said, it was like

635
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:46,480
this horrible screeching noise, like the sound and they said

636
00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:49,519
it made like a sound like a dragon or a dinosaur.

637
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:55,559
Speaker 1: Because you know, anytime I go across the long Bridge,

638
00:37:55,559 --> 00:37:56,880
I'm like, oh my god, what this thing?

639
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,039
Speaker 3: The same here? Same here? And also see what I mean.

640
00:38:01,159 --> 00:38:02,960
I'm not trying to paint a very vivid picture, but

641
00:38:03,039 --> 00:38:04,840
let's go ahead and paint that picture. It was a

642
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,760
pretty bad death, like for a lot of people, like

643
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,320
you are taking in your car dumped now into a

644
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:17,280
freezing river where you are sinking or if your windows

645
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,079
open you can get oh, like who knows, but drowning

646
00:38:20,159 --> 00:38:24,079
is bad. Drowning in icy cold water is bad and

647
00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:27,039
then you have debris falling on you and the rebar

648
00:38:27,159 --> 00:38:30,960
and everything like that not good. So, like forty six

649
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,400
people died, which is a lot of people when you

650
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:37,199
think about it, especially for a small town. Everybody would

651
00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:39,639
have been impagged by that. Everybody would have had some

652
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,840
type of connection. And then right after that, like it's

653
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,920
not that the sighting stopped, but I don't think people cared.

654
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,800
Like people were like, yeah, there's a big bird. I

655
00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:54,440
just lost my wife. Yeah, yeah, there's a big bird.

656
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:59,519
Or there's UFOs. I just lost my you know, three

657
00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:03,760
kids and my husband, you know, or whatever whoever was

658
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,599
on that bridge. So it was really really traumatizing. It

659
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,559
was traumatizing for the area. You know. I think with

660
00:39:10,599 --> 00:39:13,840
the story of math Man, there's quite a bit of

661
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:18,679
remembrance of the trauma, and then they blame the trauma

662
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,039
on all sorts of different things, and it might be everything.

663
00:39:22,199 --> 00:39:23,920
That's That's kind of what I say in my book.

664
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,880
I think that that there's a legitimate curse. I think

665
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,320
that there's something going on there. Maybe wasn't connected to

666
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:36,119
the to you know, Chief Cornstos death possibly wasn't connected

667
00:39:36,159 --> 00:39:41,239
to other things. Maybe, but there's something supernatural afflicting that land,

668
00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:44,840
like that area. It is like, you have got to

669
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,559
be kidding me. Could things get any worse? And they did.

670
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,119
Things are not worse, you know. So it's just it's

671
00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:54,360
really really rough. But people keep plugging. There's some of

672
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,159
the nicest people I've ever met in my life, you know.

673
00:39:57,639 --> 00:40:01,199
I was recently, I was doing a a meeting locally

674
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,159
in the town that I'm in h with the library,

675
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,000
the woman who runs the library system, and I'm doing

676
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:09,039
a bunch of I was like speaking and events and things,

677
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,000
and this kid comes up to me in the middle

678
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,519
of the meeting and he's like, Hey, can I get

679
00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:17,159
a selfie with you? Like I've read your books, I

680
00:40:17,199 --> 00:40:19,360
love your stuff. And this doesn't happen all the time,

681
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,280
but it's like a little local thing. And I said, absolutely,

682
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,199
like take the picture with him. So then the lady goes,

683
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,199
she goes, oh, that was so cool. She's like, does

684
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,519
that happen a lot around here? I said, not as

685
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:34,239
much around here, but in Point Pleasant, West Virginia, they

686
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,159
know my name. Like I walked into the for the

687
00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:39,679
first time. I walked into the Mothbay Museum because I'd

688
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,440
been shipping this stuff down. I walked in. I was like, hey,

689
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:47,039
I'm David Hardy. He's like, oh, David Hardy, David Hardy's here.

690
00:40:47,079 --> 00:40:49,239
They're like calling on the on the like like, hey,

691
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,280
David Hardy's here, David Hardy's here. Oh my goodness. Because

692
00:40:52,360 --> 00:41:01,079
and you go in. It's just worthy. Oh that's funny.

693
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:03,480
It was like it was just everywhere. So it was funny.

694
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,760
So I always, I always joke. I said, I'm a

695
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,960
real big deal in Point Pleasant, West Virginia. Not so

696
00:41:09,039 --> 00:41:12,559
much anywhere else but Point Pleasant, West Virginia. They know

697
00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:14,360
my name at least my blocks.

698
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: So I pulled that anchor Man quote on my girlfriend Amy,

699
00:41:19,679 --> 00:41:21,360
which she was asking me, you know what I do

700
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:22,000
and stuff.

701
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't know how to break this

702
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,360
to you, but pretty big deal.

703
00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 3: In the paranormal space.

704
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: I'm a pretty big deal legendary in my own mind.

705
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 4: That was funny.

706
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 3: She got me.

707
00:41:38,519 --> 00:41:40,119
Speaker 1: I don't know where she found it at, but she

708
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:42,360
had found a sticker. And I have one of those

709
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,880
really big toolboxes on the wheels, you know, and I

710
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,400
always sticker it up. And she found a sticker, this

711
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,119
big deal pickle, and it said I'm a big.

712
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:57,519
Speaker 3: That's great. I love it. That's awesome, so cool. So

713
00:41:57,639 --> 00:41:59,400
you have it. So do you ask me the questions

714
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,320
asked me? Any deep does stuff? I'll and I'll make

715
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,159
you know ridiculous claims and statements. Anything you need me

716
00:42:06,199 --> 00:42:06,400
to do.

717
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:08,679
Speaker 4: So okay.

718
00:42:10,519 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: Chronology of it. The first one was the kids running

719
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:15,679
in the car.

720
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 4: Was that the first?

721
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 3: No, there was one. It's it's even earlier. It's the

722
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,400
grave digger one. That's the one that everybody says is

723
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,159
either first or second. It's real, it's real, kind of weird.

724
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,440
It was, uh, well, there was a National guardsman is

725
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,840
the first accounted one, and it was a It was

726
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:40,519
a West Virginia National Guardsman who saw the moth man

727
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,079
in the t and tiars. This is the area where

728
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:45,679
they had the munitions that being a power play. He

729
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:50,840
saw it in a tree. And so that happened November one,

730
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:54,039
nineteen sixty six. And then they just start seeing it.

731
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:56,239
So then there are these guys heard digging a grave

732
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,880
late at night on November twelfth, nineteen sixty six, and

733
00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:05,239
they saw it and it was in Kenneth. Yeah, I'm sorry,

734
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,559
his name, Kenneth was the guy. Kenneth Duncan was a

735
00:43:08,599 --> 00:43:11,079
guy who was digging the grave with his friends. These

736
00:43:11,079 --> 00:43:13,559
were just things that you did back in nineteen sixty six.

737
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,679
You're like, I'm not hiring you know, no undertaker to

738
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,360
dig to dig a ditch for my It was like

739
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,079
his father in law. He just got four of his

740
00:43:24,159 --> 00:43:27,119
friends and they went and dug his grave and threw

741
00:43:27,159 --> 00:43:27,679
the body in.

742
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: But during that I can hear myself in that situation

743
00:43:31,079 --> 00:43:33,719
and be like, you know, I ain't paying.

744
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:41,639
Speaker 3: You know five, I'll tell you what I've had the

745
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,400
Bury family And when you find out how much it cost,

746
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,239
uh yeah, I mean I'll tell you. I don't know

747
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,840
if I'm allowed to say this on the internet, but

748
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,599
I my dog died years ago and I'm like, oh

749
00:43:55,679 --> 00:43:58,400
my goodness, this is and we were all, you know, sad,

750
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,679
the whole family said. Then you get kicked in the

751
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,679
face when you go to you know, you're like, well

752
00:44:02,679 --> 00:44:05,320
what do I do with the remains? And like, oh,

753
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:11,119
that'll be four hundred dollars to cremate them. You're like, no, no, no,

754
00:44:11,519 --> 00:44:13,960
there there's better ways to deal with this. You know,

755
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:15,639
I grew up illegal.

756
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 4: That's what we always did.

757
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: We always buried them on the property and put like

758
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,800
a stone marker or something like that.

759
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 3: You know, like listen, nobody wants pet cemetery happening. But

760
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,760
I Am not paying four hundred dollars or whatever it is.

761
00:44:31,519 --> 00:44:35,159
You know, like we're gonna take care of this ourselves.

762
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,440
So yeah, I probably wouldn't have announced that.

763
00:44:38,519 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: But no, which I don't think it's I mean, I

764
00:44:40,519 --> 00:44:41,519
don't think it's illegal.

765
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 4: Hell, I wouldn't think, but I mean.

766
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:51,119
Speaker 1: Nonsensical things that are illegal. But I'm even that way

767
00:44:51,159 --> 00:44:54,239
with with me. I've told all my family. I'm like,

768
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,519
you know, if you're still around and I and I'm gone, Uh,

769
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,760
save you money, just cremate me.

770
00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 4: You know, my God created me.

771
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: You know, He created ad him from the dust of

772
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,239
the ground. So you know, I've heard some people ask me,

773
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,079
you know, how do you think you know, if you're cremated,

774
00:45:10,119 --> 00:45:11,719
you can't go to heaven. I'm like, well, I'll tell

775
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,280
you what. If you're a worshiping you know God, but

776
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:20,519
God is not capable of, you know, reconstituting your ashes.

777
00:45:20,559 --> 00:45:22,880
He's not a god worthy of worship in my opinion.

778
00:45:23,679 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that and think about it, like how many people

779
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:30,800
have died for how many thousands, if not much much longer.

780
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:36,199
Who would be resurrected? Right? Like those remains are dust

781
00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:38,679
of many of them, you know what I mean. So

782
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:43,360
if God, you know, if God can't can't re establish

783
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,039
your body, and you're gonna have a new body. It's

784
00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:49,960
not gonna be the old body, right, So you're gonna

785
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,360
have a new body in this in the new heavens

786
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,519
and new Earth. It's a glorified body, and it's not

787
00:45:55,559 --> 00:45:57,760
gonna look to say. I mean, I think people are

788
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,000
gonna know who you are, but it's not the same

789
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,400
is what you look like. I don't even know that

790
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,199
it's the body that you had exactly, you know what

791
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,920
I mean. It's it's very changed, but it could be

792
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,280
on a sub atomic level. I know we're getting into

793
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,519
the weeds here. Well yeah, God is not limited. God

794
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:19,440
is not limited by that at all. So I mean, yeah,

795
00:46:19,519 --> 00:46:22,440
i'd say pay as little as you can for now.

796
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,440
I do think monuments are important to you somewhere that

797
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,360
you could take the grandkids be like, hey, this is

798
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,079
where great great great the gay daddy. You know. I

799
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,000
do think there's something to the grave marker. I think

800
00:46:34,039 --> 00:46:38,440
that has some value, you know, but but probably not

801
00:46:38,519 --> 00:46:41,800
in this next this future generation. I mean there's a lot.

802
00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:44,800
I mean they're losing all family ties, like it's crazy,

803
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,760
like they're pretty much family reunions are pretty much gonna

804
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,519
go away, like, let's be honest, and it's it's gonna

805
00:46:52,559 --> 00:46:54,840
be really intriguing, you know, and most people don't even

806
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,159
know their cousins anymore. You know. It's very everything's very

807
00:46:58,239 --> 00:46:59,000
very different now.

808
00:46:59,639 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's something that's sad. I really enjoyed those,

809
00:47:03,039 --> 00:47:05,679
especially the kid, you know, the family get togethers and

810
00:47:05,679 --> 00:47:10,719
the reunions. Everybody get together cousins. Yeah, it's always a

811
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:11,159
good time.

812
00:47:12,159 --> 00:47:14,599
Speaker 3: And I cleaned, I cleared my schedule for it and

813
00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:17,119
did not. I mean I had events and speaking engagements

814
00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:19,639
I could have booked, and I said, no, I've got

815
00:47:19,639 --> 00:47:21,599
my family reunion. And I don't know how many more

816
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:25,119
we're going to have of these. We're going I'm doing it,

817
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,559
you know. So yeah, man, I think they're important. But

818
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:30,280
I was a hard time.

819
00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and you never know, you know, we're from

820
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,400
the South. You might meet your your future ex wife there.

821
00:47:40,639 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hopefull he's not your cousin or whatever. Well,

822
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,000
this is a real quick funny story funny story. We

823
00:47:46,119 --> 00:47:49,199
moved away from this area and we came back and

824
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,199
my son starts going back to the school that he

825
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,239
once attended like four years ago. See starts dating this girl.

826
00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:00,320
One night, he's on his oh no, oh yeah, and

827
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,480
he looks at my wife and he goes, wait a second,

828
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,079
who's aunt so and so? And who are her kids?

829
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,639
And he's on his phone and there was this very

830
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:16,719
terse moment where he believed that his girlfriend was his cousin.

831
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,920
And I just started laughing and my biddles goes, but

832
00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:24,519
about by old, but about and it just starts, you know,

833
00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:27,920
ragging them. Now it was not his cousin and what

834
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,320
you know, But like it was so funny for that

835
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,559
hot second he's like, wait, who's Aunt so and so?

836
00:48:34,679 --> 00:48:36,039
It was on my wife's side.

837
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:44,519
Speaker 4: It was great, crazy, Yeah.

838
00:48:44,519 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 1: I could just imagine the thoughts going through that little

839
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:52,280
dude's head there. Well, I know they got that huge

840
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:56,599
statue and they got uh that big festival and stuff

841
00:48:56,639 --> 00:48:59,320
that they do. Now, how long has that been going

842
00:48:59,360 --> 00:48:59,840
on or is that?

843
00:49:01,639 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 3: Let me tell you this, I got the story, Like

844
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,519
I love telling the story. So one, the statue is

845
00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:09,440
not that huge. I'll tell you about the festival. Now,

846
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,360
I'll tell you about the statue, but the stat is

847
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,599
not a huge Okay. So the festival the Fessel started

848
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,760
in two thousand and two. And do you know why.

849
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:25,679
Here's why. Because they filmed the movie The Mothman Prophecies

850
00:49:26,519 --> 00:49:34,400
not in West Virginia. They filmed it in Catanning, Pennsylvania. Okay,

851
00:49:34,639 --> 00:49:38,559
so like five hour four three or four hours away

852
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,880
and probably for tax purposes or whatever. But that movie

853
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,400
that Richard Gere was in, right, none of that was

854
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,239
filmed in West Virginia. And you had people in West

855
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:54,039
Virginia were like, wait a second, this is our story,

856
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:56,880
this is our legend, Like you can't do this, you

857
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,239
can't take this away from us. So they started. It's

858
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,599
relatively small, I mean not even relatively, like only about

859
00:50:04,599 --> 00:50:06,519
one hundred people came to the first one in two

860
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:09,039
thousand and two, but it's started. This festival was like

861
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:12,440
one of the first cryptid festivals in the country. It

862
00:50:12,639 --> 00:50:16,559
predates many of the bigfoot festivals because like you have

863
00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:19,320
some big ones now, but most of those are relatively recent,

864
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,880
uh you know constructs, and so people started coming down.

865
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,599
Now it was a festival for various things like I understand,

866
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,400
So I go to it. I'm speaking at it this year.

867
00:50:30,599 --> 00:50:34,159
Smoke last year. I'm speaking this year. Thirty two thousand

868
00:50:34,199 --> 00:50:37,079
people at this thing. It is a sight to behold,

869
00:50:37,159 --> 00:50:42,760
Like it is just amazing. But it's not just mothman

870
00:50:43,159 --> 00:50:49,440
like it is. It's like a music festival. It's like

871
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:54,280
got like a fair flavor small town, like people are.

872
00:50:54,079 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: Buying all county Country County.

873
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but like in a small town, like it's

874
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,960
really it's actually really cool, like whatever you like. I'm

875
00:51:05,039 --> 00:51:08,679
right out. My booths are right outside of a comic

876
00:51:08,679 --> 00:51:13,159
book store. That comic book store does incredibly well. But

877
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,639
they sell comics, they sell Pokemon cards, they sell whatever.

878
00:51:17,199 --> 00:51:19,920
It's it's just like everybody gets out and has a

879
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:24,800
blast at one time. But the whole thing started because

880
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:30,159
they were mad that Pennsylvania stole their story. And here's

881
00:51:30,199 --> 00:51:33,559
the statue. Okay. Now, the statue is relatively big, like

882
00:51:34,679 --> 00:51:37,800
it's not that makes it look bigger than his. The

883
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,440
statues about as tall as I am. Like if I

884
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,079
stood next to the statue, it'd be you know, it's

885
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:46,920
like five ten six feet something like that. But the

886
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,159
statue was created by a man named Bob Roach and

887
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,039
he was a sculptor and he engineered in the sculptor

888
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,800
of Chief Cornstock that you pulled up before he did up.

889
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,920
He was commissioned by the city. By the city and

890
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,880
I think the state ultimately to do all these different

891
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:10,639
to do these sculptures in Point Pleasant, and I think

892
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,960
I'm not positive. I think that was his final one.

893
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,639
So he did a bunch of research, talked to a

894
00:52:15,679 --> 00:52:18,719
bunch of people, and then he does the sculpture. Now,

895
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,400
the funny part is is that the sculpture when you

896
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,960
get up close, it looks like a power Ranger villain. Okay,

897
00:52:27,639 --> 00:52:29,679
like he did the best that he could, but it's

898
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:33,559
like it it definitely that's what it looks like. Looks

899
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:39,199
like a power in your villain. The thing about it,

900
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:46,360
uh so they he did this sculpture based off of

901
00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:51,639
like a bodybuilder. Okay, so the legs are these big usings.

902
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,239
One they have to hold the weight of that much

903
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,360
metal up like when you do sculptures.

904
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:01,559
Speaker 1: They're so close to ohio is that is that?

905
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:05,039
Speaker 2: So?

906
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,119
Speaker 3: There was great. There was a lot of thought put

907
00:53:08,159 --> 00:53:13,639
into it because okay, the butt right, like is Mothman

908
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:18,159
wearing pants? You know, Mothman is not wearing pants, So

909
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,280
do you do a butt? Do you not do it?

910
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,360
But like you know, probably went back and forth what

911
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,079
so like now he definitely I'm not gonna lie. He

912
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:30,440
overdid the butt like there's as an artist, like there's ways,

913
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,639
Oh my gosh, what did I just see that picture?

914
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:38,360
I think anyhow, there's ways, yeah, that way that that's

915
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:39,280
a little uh.

916
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:40,559
Speaker 4: I've taken of the cake.

917
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 3: I hear you. I think something else might be happening.

918
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:51,400
It's just checking his prostate. That's for Jack. But it's

919
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,679
been this. The funny part is is this juvenile like

920
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:59,880
I've heard people say that it's like an ancient like worship.

921
00:54:00,039 --> 00:54:03,320
It's like, oh, trust me. They get into all this stuff.

922
00:54:03,039 --> 00:54:10,519
Speaker 4: And they're like, I've say to it, you know, yeah.

923
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 3: I mean, and it's and I think it's a joke.

924
00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:15,760
It's a I'm not saying it's a harmless joke. Maybe

925
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,679
it's the most terrible thing and blah blah blah. I

926
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,239
don't think so it's a joke. I'll tell you this.

927
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:24,119
I know the people the Mothman Museum hate hate it,

928
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:27,199
like I mean, they love the sculpture, but sticking the

929
00:54:27,519 --> 00:54:29,719
bunny in there is like I mean, could they do

930
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,440
they stick a buck in there. There's a guy who

931
00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:33,480
just goes over and takes it every like every night

932
00:54:33,519 --> 00:54:36,480
he's like, all right, gonna go over to both Man statue,

933
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,599
you know what I mean. People will throw twenties in there.

934
00:54:39,679 --> 00:54:43,000
It's insane, it's so stupid, but they and then they're

935
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gonna The other thing is they're gonna break it. Like

936
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:51,880
you cannot keep shoving things in that crevass. Eventually it's

937
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,960
gonna break. It's gonna you know, and there's no upkeep

938
00:54:55,079 --> 00:54:58,559
on the sculpture. Like what and I've said this numerous times.

939
00:54:58,599 --> 00:55:01,320
Once it's broken is broken. I'm sure there's no budget

940
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:05,000
to fix Mofman's butt, you know what i mean. So

941
00:55:05,159 --> 00:55:07,760
they keep doing this, but like it's it's such a

942
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,599
big thing, and they have they call it the Shiny Heineye,

943
00:55:10,639 --> 00:55:13,000
and they have t shirts and they have stickers and

944
00:55:13,039 --> 00:55:17,400
they have like it's like this crazy big thing. It's juvenile,

945
00:55:17,559 --> 00:55:21,519
that's what it is. It's it's it's incredibly juvenile because

946
00:55:22,199 --> 00:55:25,440
there's a sculpture of a thing with a giant butt,

947
00:55:25,679 --> 00:55:29,599
So clearly a bunch of kids gotta go make a

948
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:31,639
big deal about it, you know, what I mean. So

949
00:55:32,519 --> 00:55:34,800
that's that's pretty much the story. It's fun to see.

950
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,880
It's ridiculous, but oh yeah, I listened. I touched the

951
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,599
shiny hoey. I did it. I have a picture of it.

952
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,320
In fact, for a while there on my Instagram it

953
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:48,000
was my highest viewed video. I got of like multiple

954
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:48,960
thousands of views.

955
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 4: I hear you, like, you know that's that works. Man.

956
00:55:53,079 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: It's like a good uh, a good picker, fart picker,

957
00:55:58,119 --> 00:56:02,000
fart joke or butt joke. Well, we'll get everybody because

958
00:56:02,039 --> 00:56:05,360
it's like one of my my only I mean, I've

959
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,280
had some successful videos, but I've not had anything that

960
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:09,760
I would consider viral.

961
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 3: Uh.

962
00:56:11,039 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: But I had one viral video and I haven't looked

963
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,800
at it in months because it was on TikTok and

964
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,519
I kept getting community guidelines because I mean, they hate

965
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:22,440
Christians if you post Christian content, Oh my god, they

966
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:26,679
come after you. But I you know, put all this

967
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:31,719
you know, deep meaning, philosophical, biblical, you know, mysteries and

968
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,159
knowledge nuggies, you know, and they'll get you know, anywhere

969
00:56:35,199 --> 00:56:38,239
from five hundred to fifteen hundred views something like that.

970
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:42,840
But man, I made a reaction video to a fart Basically,

971
00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:46,480
it was this guy. He showed these different people and

972
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,000
it showed a transgender woman and it's like, oh, I'm transgender,

973
00:56:50,039 --> 00:56:52,239
and then it showed this other person said, oh, I'm gay,

974
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,480
and this other person, oh, I'm this, you know, all

975
00:56:54,519 --> 00:56:58,000
this LGBTQ stuff, and that switched to this other guy.

976
00:56:58,119 --> 00:57:02,280
He's not meant handicapped, but he's got some disabilities and

977
00:57:02,039 --> 00:57:04,840
he can still talk, but he looks, you know, strange,

978
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,199
but he embraces it.

979
00:57:06,199 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 4: Man.

980
00:57:06,639 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: He actually does really good. He makes funny videos and stuff.

981
00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:11,039
But it cut to him and he's sitting there in

982
00:57:11,039 --> 00:57:14,840
his arms kind of bent down, and he's like he

983
00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:18,760
farts this mean, epically long wet fart, you know, and

984
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,360
he's like, I'm a race car. And I filmed that

985
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,480
and just did a reaction video off of it when

986
00:57:24,519 --> 00:57:26,960
I've seen it, and that thing had like three and

987
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:30,400
a half million views on it, like last time I looked,

988
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,039
like six months ago, and I'm like, there you go. Man,

989
00:57:33,119 --> 00:57:35,960
A good you know, juvenile joke gets everybody.

990
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's hilarious. Hey, I have to tell you

991
00:57:41,039 --> 00:57:42,960
this is not I just have to tell you this

992
00:57:43,679 --> 00:57:46,599
because you are a man of faith and you get

993
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:52,400
into very very deep biblical you know, truths, and sometimes

994
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:57,400
some some stuff is pretty gory, right, I so listen,

995
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,079
I do. I do all of this stuff, and I

996
00:58:00,159 --> 00:58:04,159
write books on cryptis And then I also, I'm an

997
00:58:04,239 --> 00:58:08,119
ordained pastor and have taught all of the stuff, and

998
00:58:08,159 --> 00:58:10,760
I get in depth. And I'm not trying to be sillatious,

999
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,559
but like the text, Like my wife was complaining on

1000
00:58:13,719 --> 00:58:16,320
Sunday because she had to teach Sunday school and it

1001
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:21,119
was about Nabukezzar gouging out the eyes of you know,

1002
00:58:21,559 --> 00:58:24,000
Hebrews and whatnot. She's like, how do I cover this?

1003
00:58:24,039 --> 00:58:26,719
And I said, I don't know. I honestly, I don't

1004
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,599
have a good answer for what we teach seven year olds.

1005
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,039
But on the flip side, like my default is not

1006
00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:35,480
to shelter them, Like I don't know that I can

1007
00:58:35,519 --> 00:58:38,679
explain all the deep nuances, but like, at very least

1008
00:58:39,039 --> 00:58:41,440
make the statement I don't need to like spend a

1009
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,960
lot of time make the same mining go anyhow, So

1010
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,159
I got in this discussion with her and her one

1011
00:58:46,239 --> 00:58:52,400
friend who goes to church was talking to her. Jesus Oh,

1012
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,320
I was so traumatized as a kid by those videos

1013
00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:00,239
that they would show in church. I got, oh, yeah,

1014
00:59:00,239 --> 00:59:06,800
what videos? She goes veggietails. Veggietails was too was it

1015
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:11,360
was too much, it was too intense. And I was like,

1016
00:59:11,559 --> 00:59:18,079
you've got to be kidding me. Veggietails veggietails is too

1017
00:59:18,119 --> 00:59:21,000
intense for you. And so like I was, I was

1018
00:59:21,039 --> 00:59:23,519
like losing it. I'm like this is crazy. Like if

1019
00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:25,960
if the standard is like, oh, you know, I don't

1020
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,800
know if we can show the Veggie Tails Jonah movie

1021
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,360
because it's it's a little it's a little you know,

1022
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,440
it's a little too much kids. Like I don't know

1023
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,480
what to tell you, Like I don't think we can

1024
00:59:35,519 --> 00:59:38,760
teach the Bible to anybody under eighteen, you know what

1025
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,360
I mean? Like this is getting this, this, this is

1026
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,880
getting absolutely ridiculous at some point in time, Like here's

1027
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:48,320
the Word of God, here's the text. You gotta interact

1028
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,800
with it, Like these are these are truths. I don't

1029
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:54,159
know who told you that the most ethical thing that

1030
00:59:54,199 --> 00:59:59,199
you can possibly do is avoid any type of controversy

1031
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:04,639
and violent and anything else. But that's our history, right,

1032
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:08,159
Like I don't think you need to like zoom in

1033
01:00:08,199 --> 01:00:11,880
all the time, but come on, you know, ve details.

1034
01:00:12,719 --> 01:00:15,559
If that details doesn't make the cut, I am in trouble,

1035
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:19,000
you know what I mean. That's why I said, I said, Okay,

1036
01:00:19,079 --> 01:00:21,639
stop getting mad at me for writing crypti books because

1037
01:00:21,679 --> 01:00:24,880
you hate vegetails. So like I mean, like, yes, I'm

1038
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,280
well went by, like I cannot, I cannot hit your

1039
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,400
standardly sorry.

1040
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like I said of me that that's why

1041
01:00:32,039 --> 01:00:36,800
we're so ignorant, man, because we were told to be

1042
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:41,320
the salt of the earth, not the sugar. Well, we're

1043
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:47,039
supposed to preserve things and give it some flavor, you know,

1044
01:00:47,079 --> 01:00:50,239
We're not to sugar coat everything and avoid all the

1045
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:54,480
weird and strange stuff, you know. And I stole that

1046
01:00:54,519 --> 01:00:56,840
from Coach Dave from Salt and Light Brigade.

1047
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:57,599
Speaker 4: So there you go.

1048
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: I'll give credit where credit is due. We're meant to

1049
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:02,639
be the salt, not the sugar of the earth.

1050
01:01:03,639 --> 01:01:06,239
Speaker 3: Yeah. I like it. I like it. That's good.

1051
01:01:06,599 --> 01:01:07,119
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1052
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,159
Speaker 1: Well, David Man, I appreciate you coming on again.

1053
01:01:09,199 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 3: Man.

1054
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: I always have a good time hanging out with you.

1055
01:01:12,239 --> 01:01:17,079
It refreshes me. Dude, you fill my cup. So I

1056
01:01:17,079 --> 01:01:19,400
hope we can have some more conversations and it's for

1057
01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:23,000
some more some more wood boogers or something, just to

1058
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:24,920
get you back on and have some more conversations.

1059
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,519
Speaker 3: Man, that'd be awesome. I've got some really cool artwork

1060
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:30,320
that I'm working. I can't talk about it right now,

1061
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,239
but with a I think that you'll love it. It's

1062
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:38,079
right down your alley, like literally, it's built for you.

1063
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,440
So when I started doing some of that, and you'll

1064
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,000
see it'll be really really cool.

1065
01:01:42,119 --> 01:01:44,679
Speaker 4: So I think, well, yeah, dude, I'm excited.

1066
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: Well, man, before we go, just in case somebody come

1067
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,159
in midstream or wasn't paying attention at the front, man,

1068
01:01:50,519 --> 01:01:53,119
let us know where we can uh find your books,

1069
01:01:53,119 --> 01:01:55,559
find your your badass T shirts and work.

1070
01:01:55,559 --> 01:01:56,519
Speaker 4: Can they best support you?

1071
01:01:56,599 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 3: Man? Kryptin Evmpire dot so, cryptid Empire dot com. You

1072
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:06,559
can buy the books, you can buy the t shirts. Amazon,

1073
01:02:06,679 --> 01:02:08,239
you can buy the books, so you can buy them

1074
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,360
on Amazon. And especially if you live in you know,

1075
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,280
Europe or somewhere where I don't ship to, you know,

1076
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,880
you know, yeah, look at it Cryptimpire dot com. I

1077
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,519
got it all up there, awesome cool stuff. I got

1078
01:02:21,559 --> 01:02:25,599
big projects, huge things that are coming in the pipe,

1079
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:29,960
you know. But I'm on Instagram, I'm on Facebook, and

1080
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:33,119
I will be on YouTube. So that's happening. But crypted

1081
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:38,360
mbire dot com go there, buy the stuff. You're gonna

1082
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,440
love it. If you like Kryptis at all. These are

1083
01:02:40,519 --> 01:02:42,559
I mean, listen, these are some of the best books

1084
01:02:42,559 --> 01:02:44,519
out there. You're gonna love it.

1085
01:02:45,159 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, man, I love them anyway.

1086
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,119
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just sorry if you look at some

1087
01:02:49,199 --> 01:02:51,440
of these images of some of these shirts stuff and

1088
01:02:51,519 --> 01:02:53,920
you don't like them, you just got really crappy taste.

1089
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:55,199
Speaker 4: I'll just go ahead and say it.

1090
01:02:57,199 --> 01:03:00,199
Speaker 1: But man, guys, hope you enjoined that episode because I

1091
01:03:00,199 --> 01:03:01,320
I enjoy them thoroughly.

1092
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 4: So if you don't, too bad, because I'm gonna keep

1093
01:03:05,039 --> 01:03:05,880
having David back.

1094
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:09,079
Speaker 1: I love talking with David. But guys, if you did, hey, man,

1095
01:03:09,159 --> 01:03:11,440
go support this brother. Go to this website, check out

1096
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,239
his stuff and get you a badass T shirt and

1097
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:15,760
support us.

1098
01:03:15,639 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 4: And what we do. That way we can keep doing it. Man.

1099
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,519
Speaker 1: But just remember, guys, hey, the difference between the known

1100
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:25,199
and the unknown. That is the journey, my friends. So hey,

1101
01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:32,199
good journey, guys.

1102
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 3: So we steal the fire. I'm bad.

1103
01:03:41,559 --> 01:03:46,039
Speaker 1: Ones still frozen by the last.

1104
01:03:45,079 --> 01:03:48,239
Speaker 3: Around they content. Thank you