1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on? Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,519 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,239 my daily show prep with all the links, become a patron, 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,600 go to vpetelenarshow dot com. Make sure you hit the 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 subscribe button. Get every episode for free right to your 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,719 smartphone or tablet. And again, thank you so much for 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:32,799 your support. So, what happens when you set up a 10 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:39,399 project to improve or increase diversity and you do it 11 00:00:39,439 --> 00:00:46,600 across all sorts of industries and cultural institutions. What happens 12 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:51,240 when you try to implement racial and gender quotas in 13 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:57,079 your hiring, Well, we now know, we can see this 14 00:00:57,119 --> 00:01:00,439 is what's been occurring for about the last day decade, 15 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:07,200 really ramping up in twenty twenty, and across the industries 16 00:01:07,239 --> 00:01:16,719 of media, academia, and Hollywood. You can see that gen 17 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:24,040 X and boomer white guys in upper management roles, they 18 00:01:24,079 --> 00:01:27,159 hang on to their jobs and then all of the 19 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:32,239 talent pipeline gets jammed up because they can't hire and 20 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,879 they won't hire any young white men, and so they 21 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,519 are shut out of these jobs, and they're told this, 22 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,280 by the way, they're literally told this that sorry, we're 23 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,359 looking for a diversity higher. It's what they call it. 24 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,959 We need a diversity higher. And so you're not getting 25 00:01:50,959 --> 00:01:53,280 the job because of something you have no control over. 26 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,680 We had a Texter Chris in the last hour who said, 27 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:01,760 you know, this is sort of chickens coming home to 28 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:06,200 roost because this is what black people went through. And 29 00:02:06,239 --> 00:02:10,639 that's true. There were, you know, discrimination laws against hiring 30 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,199 black people. You know, only whites need apply and all 31 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,919 of that stuff, and all of that was wrong. But 32 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,360 here's the thing, chickens coming home to roost or karma 33 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:25,400 as he called it. Also, the gen z and millennial 34 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,719 white guys, they had nothing to do with that. And 35 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:35,960 so you're you're meeting out some sort of collective punishment 36 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,840 against people that did nothing wrong to you. So you're 37 00:02:40,879 --> 00:02:45,680 robbing them of opportunities and a life, right Like, they 38 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,240 have these ideas of what they want to do with 39 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,840 their life and they're working hard to achieve it, and 40 00:02:49,879 --> 00:02:54,039 you're saying, no, you'll never achieve it. And that's because 41 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,000 one hundred years ago, somebody that looked like you racially 42 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,960 did something bad to somebody who looks like me racially. 43 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,199 That that is an that is an indefensible and unethical 44 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:12,039 position to take. I'm not saying you can't take it. 45 00:03:12,159 --> 00:03:16,319 I'm just making judgments. If one does, you know, let 46 00:03:16,319 --> 00:03:22,919 me get John on. Hello John, thanks for hanging on, John, sir. 47 00:03:23,159 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 2: Fun to say. I actually caused my HR to no 48 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:28,960 longer want to talk to me. 49 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait, hang on a second. Tell me how 50 00:03:32,319 --> 00:03:33,840 you did that. I'm taking notes. 51 00:03:35,319 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 3: Well. 52 00:03:36,319 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: I asked them if we wanted diversity or excellence, and 53 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,759 they said we want both. I said, you can't have 54 00:03:41,919 --> 00:03:46,199 both unless you look for excellence first. And they said 55 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,159 to me, how do you how do you get that? 56 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:54,000 I said, well, let's take a let's do a hypothetical situation. 57 00:03:54,199 --> 00:03:57,439 You're looking for the best manager, and your best manager 58 00:03:57,479 --> 00:04:03,599 happens to be a white woman, but you already have 59 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,439 or white women in management, and you're now looking for 60 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:14,680 a Asian guy Asian guys and ninth that person. You're 61 00:04:14,719 --> 00:04:18,480 not getting excellence if you are if your first criteria 62 00:04:18,759 --> 00:04:25,319 is diversity. And they looked at me and they started 63 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,879 fitting and sputtering, hemming and hanging, and I was like, 64 00:04:30,079 --> 00:04:34,399 my logic cannot be defeated on this one. You look 65 00:04:34,439 --> 00:04:37,199 for the best, You're going to get the best because 66 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:41,800 you may have, like I said, white woman or a 67 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:43,639 black guy or right. 68 00:04:43,439 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: Well, this is this also goes to the It goes 69 00:04:46,319 --> 00:04:49,759 to that what was his name, James de Morey or something, 70 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,040 the guy that worked I think at Google and in 71 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:58,560 the internal email messaging system or whatever. He published something 72 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,639 among employees that looked at, you know, why there are 73 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:07,920 so few women in the coding industry, and he said, basically, 74 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,199 men and women are different, and guys are generally more 75 00:05:11,199 --> 00:05:15,439 interested in things, women more interested in people, you know. 76 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,879 And he made these he made this assertion, and he 77 00:05:18,959 --> 00:05:23,800 got fired for it because people were you know, offended, 78 00:05:24,079 --> 00:05:28,480 and he's committing violence against us right by by offering 79 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,680 up an explanation that, hey, you know what, there may 80 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,759 be some other reason. It's not like misogyny. It's not 81 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:40,160 institutional or systemic in Google. It's a byproduct of men 82 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:44,319 and women being interested in different things, and that's why 83 00:05:44,399 --> 00:05:48,759 guys tend to be interested in, you know, in learning 84 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,480 to code. That might be an explanation. 85 00:05:51,199 --> 00:05:54,079 Speaker 2: In fixing the problem. 86 00:05:54,199 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, I appreciate the call. John you're 87 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,120 kind of breaking up there. Your cell phone connection is 88 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,040 kind of breaking up. So but it's a fair point, 89 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,240 and the logic that John just laid out is undefeated. 90 00:06:07,759 --> 00:06:10,040 It's that is true. It'd be nice if you can 91 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,720 do both. Sure, but one has to like, you can't 92 00:06:12,759 --> 00:06:17,279 have multiple top priorities, right, There's only one top priority. 93 00:06:18,639 --> 00:06:22,720 So if you want to make diversity hiring your top priority, 94 00:06:22,759 --> 00:06:25,839 then you have to understand that excellence is going to 95 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:31,680 be a lower priority than that. That's how priorities work, right, 96 00:06:31,759 --> 00:06:37,959 It is only one at the top. Next up is academia. 97 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,839 When over the news media, this is academia. There are 98 00:06:40,879 --> 00:06:44,160 many stories we tell ourselves about race and gender, especially 99 00:06:44,199 --> 00:06:47,319 in academia, but the one, the one thing that everybody 100 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,079 I spoke to seem to agree on is that it's 101 00:06:50,079 --> 00:06:52,399 best not to talk about it, at least not in public, 102 00:06:52,639 --> 00:06:58,000 at least not with your name attached. One millennial professor 103 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,680 nervously explained, quote, the humanities are so small. There's a 104 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:07,120 difference between thinking something and making common knowledge that you 105 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,199 think it. So it came as a bit of a 106 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,800 shock when a guy named David Austin Walsh, a Yale 107 00:07:13,879 --> 00:07:19,279 postdoctorate and left wing Twitter personality decided to detonate any 108 00:07:19,399 --> 00:07:22,319 chance he had at a career with a single tweet. 109 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,560 He posted on x formerly known as Twitter. I'm thirty 110 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:32,639 five years old, I'm four plus years post PhD, and 111 00:07:32,759 --> 00:07:37,199 quite frankly, I'm also a white dude. Combine those factors 112 00:07:37,199 --> 00:07:42,399 together and I'm all for sorry. Combine those factors together, 113 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:47,279 and i am, for all intents and purposes, unemployable as 114 00:07:47,319 --> 00:07:53,040 a twentieth century American historian. So that's his field of study, 115 00:07:53,079 --> 00:07:56,920 twentieth century American history. And he's saying I can't get 116 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:05,240 a job as a PhD after four years. And of course, 117 00:08:05,319 --> 00:08:09,920 when he posted that the pylon was swift and vicious, 118 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:15,480 thereby basically confirming his very point. A big part of 119 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,399 why it's hard to diversify is the turnover is really 120 00:08:18,519 --> 00:08:22,920 slow in the universities. This is according to a tenured 121 00:08:23,199 --> 00:08:27,639 millennial professor. And that's become worse now because baby boomers 122 00:08:27,759 --> 00:08:32,240 live a long time. Many elite universities once had mandatory 123 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,840 retirement at age seventy, but back in nineteen ninety four, 124 00:08:36,159 --> 00:08:44,879 Congress sun seted the academic exemption for age discrimination. 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They are your life 154 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,440 told through the eyes of everyone around you and all 155 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,639 who came before you, and they will tell others to 156 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:41,159 come who you are. Visit creative video dot com. Let 157 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,360 me get to some more messages on the text line here, 158 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:49,159 driven by liberty Buick, GNC Stanley says, out of all 159 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,919 this DEI stuff, there's still one thing about it all. 160 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:56,240 I don't get. If the original discrimination was primarily perpetuated 161 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,399 by old white people with money, how's the Democrat Party 162 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,000 primarily up of old white people with money considered the 163 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,120 great savior of the minorities in downtrodden. Yeah, I mean, 164 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:06,480 and that's the thing, Like they were the ones that 165 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,679 gave us all of the discrimination laws. But they changed 166 00:11:10,759 --> 00:11:15,200 everybody flipped in nineteen sixty five, don't you remember the 167 00:11:15,279 --> 00:11:21,919 great the Big lie. Although you're free to think, it's 168 00:11:21,919 --> 00:11:25,519 problematic to say out loud. Fortunately for us, our founder's 169 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,840 new freedom of conscience was worthless without freedom of speech, 170 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,720 he says. Scott says, Pete, I know you are all 171 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,759 about solutions, So how about this. Just put on your 172 00:11:35,759 --> 00:11:41,360 applications that you identify as black or Asian or whatever, female, 173 00:11:41,399 --> 00:11:44,039 gender fluid, whatever and bingo you are in. I'm just 174 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,279 spitball over you. That's that might be a good work around. 175 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,519 Steve says, I feel the past ten years have had 176 00:11:50,519 --> 00:11:53,559 a similar effect on those white males who lost their 177 00:11:53,639 --> 00:11:56,480 seniority as well. It has been very difficult to find 178 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,240 equivalent paying positions since my position was eliminated in twenty 179 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:08,360 twenty one. Then this is from an eight to eight number. 180 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,480 You stated this DEI stuff is a twenty twenty story. 181 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:16,559 I did not state that a two eight number. You 182 00:12:16,639 --> 00:12:19,759 have anything for twenty twenty five to discuss, like how 183 00:12:19,799 --> 00:12:21,840 we are on the brink of a world war with 184 00:12:21,919 --> 00:12:24,559 the US parked outside of Venezuela because China is about 185 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:25,399 to move on Taiwan. 186 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:28,879 Speaker 2: Yeah. 187 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,919 Speaker 1: No, this is a story that was published less than 188 00:12:32,919 --> 00:12:37,279 forty eight hours ago, and it's about now. It's about 189 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:42,080 the people who have been raised in this system that 190 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:49,679 was that infected all levels of our domestic institutions. So 191 00:12:49,759 --> 00:12:52,519 that's why, that's why I'm going over it, because the 192 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,120 politics is that is downstream of the culture. I don't 193 00:12:55,159 --> 00:12:58,559 know what's happening off the coast of Venezuela. I know 194 00:12:58,639 --> 00:13:00,720 these blowing up drug boats, and I know they're talking 195 00:13:00,759 --> 00:13:03,799 about a blockade and these racts of war, and that's 196 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:08,120 not cool without a without a declaration of war from Congress. 197 00:13:08,279 --> 00:13:11,360 That's what I said in every one of our foreign 198 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:15,440 interventions that didn't have declarations of war. So I hope 199 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:20,720 that helps, all right, as long as we're off topic, Alex, 200 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:21,720 Welcome to the show. 201 00:13:21,759 --> 00:13:24,039 Speaker 4: Hello Alex, Hey Pete, how are you doing? 202 00:13:24,159 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: I am all right? What's up? 203 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 4: Yeah? I just want to say this has gone on 204 00:13:27,519 --> 00:13:30,879 long before ten years ago. When I started to work 205 00:13:30,919 --> 00:13:35,840 at the US postal source back in the eighties, this 206 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,720 was going on. And I remember one morning I was 207 00:13:39,759 --> 00:13:43,200 a distribution clerk and my friend was a carrier. In 208 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,120 one morning we're out on break just the two of 209 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,840 us were both white guys, and he asked me, he said, 210 00:13:47,879 --> 00:13:51,039 do you think I'll ever be able to become a supervisor? 211 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,080 I said, NA, you're too male and you're too pale. 212 00:13:53,519 --> 00:13:57,200 And we both laughed cynically at the reality of my joke, 213 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,960 but we knew the score. I wanted to mention, was. 214 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: That something that was ever like explicitly articulated to you by. 215 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,759 Speaker 4: They had as well known that they had an up 216 00:14:08,799 --> 00:14:11,879 permative action policy with the Postal Services, as with all 217 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,279 federal agencies, and everything is no secret. I also want 218 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,519 to mention that when I took the Civil Service test 219 00:14:17,799 --> 00:14:21,159 back in the eighties, they knew your race and your 220 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,200 gender as soon as you picked up the pencil to 221 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,200 take the Civil Service test, they asked. And I later 222 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,440 found out that the Civil Service tests were there was 223 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:35,000 a policy called race norming, whereby the numbers were juggled 224 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,679 so as to benefit minorities. And just look at the 225 00:14:39,679 --> 00:14:43,559 demographics of the Postal Service, especially upper management, and there's 226 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,799 no question. So I'm retired now. I'm just I was 227 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:48,480 glad to get out while the getting was good. 228 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,679 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been nice talking with you, all right, Alex. 229 00:14:50,679 --> 00:14:53,159 Speaker 1: I appreciate the call. Yeah, I mean this is I mean, 230 00:14:53,159 --> 00:14:55,279 this is why the Supreme Court ruled as it did. 231 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,879 I mean that was about college admissions, where they admitted 232 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:04,159 that their admissions weighted by race, you know, and that's 233 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:11,200 why the predominant racial category that was being discriminated against 234 00:15:11,639 --> 00:15:15,840 wasn't white people, it was Asians. They were getting rejected 235 00:15:15,879 --> 00:15:21,559 even though they had you know, superior grades, you know, 236 00:15:21,639 --> 00:15:25,519 extracurricular activities and stuff, and awards and all of this. 237 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,559 They were well qualified to be enrolled in the schools, 238 00:15:30,159 --> 00:15:32,840 but they were being rejected because the schools didn't want 239 00:15:32,919 --> 00:15:37,879 quote unquote too many. Yet they deny their quotas. It's like, okay, well, 240 00:15:37,879 --> 00:15:39,879 what is too many? I'll know it when I see it. 241 00:15:39,919 --> 00:15:47,799 Is that it back to the academia portion of this piece. 242 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,000 The white men who do get hired are often older 243 00:15:51,039 --> 00:15:55,240 and more established, or get this, they're foreign. Several people 244 00:15:55,279 --> 00:15:58,240 I spoke with notice that European white men don't seem 245 00:15:58,279 --> 00:16:02,639 to face the same barriers. The reason, according to one professor, 246 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,600 is that they exist slightly outside the American culture wars. 247 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:12,080 Another is an administrative sleight of hand. Federal education statistics 248 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:17,159 classify foreign nationals outside of racial categories. 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I'm sorry if it came across like that. 282 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,680 I'm just saying that what you articulated about chickens coming 283 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,519 home to roost and karma like that's that smacks of 284 00:18:21,599 --> 00:18:26,880 candyism because that's what he was saying, and maybe it 285 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:28,640 didn't mean to sound like that, but that is what 286 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:33,440 that was. He said. The solution or the remedy to 287 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:38,680 pass discrimination is current discrimination. That's what he advocated for. 288 00:18:40,519 --> 00:18:42,880 He says, I clearly, I clearly said I do not 289 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,839 agree with DEI, and I believe in quality of work 290 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,160 and being qualified to do the work. It is absolutely 291 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,880 unfair to what's happening with white people now. I'm not 292 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,160 one of those people who believe that just because black 293 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,279 people were treated a certain way years ago as an 294 00:18:57,279 --> 00:19:01,119 excuse to treat white people a certain way down well, 295 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,799 and that's no, that's good. That's the ethical position to take. 296 00:19:06,599 --> 00:19:10,279 You know, nobody alive today is guilty of anything that 297 00:19:10,319 --> 00:19:15,240 occurred two hundred years ago. And that's what makes this 298 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:20,440 the DEI stuff so insidious, is that it forces people 299 00:19:20,519 --> 00:19:24,400 now to engage in some sort of collective shaming or 300 00:19:25,519 --> 00:19:28,599 or assumption of guilt for things that you didn't do, 301 00:19:29,519 --> 00:19:32,920 and being told that you're somehow a bad person because 302 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,799 of some characteristic that you were born with that you 303 00:19:35,839 --> 00:19:41,799 had nothing to do with. Let me get Chris on. Hello, Chris, 304 00:19:41,839 --> 00:19:42,519 welcome to the show. 305 00:19:43,839 --> 00:19:45,519 Speaker 5: Good to talk to you. Pete. Let me get right 306 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,240 to it, having a little control hearing you. But in 307 00:19:49,279 --> 00:19:53,480 relation to to wokism they acquired, that group has kind 308 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:58,200 of acquired, you know, transgenderism. My understanding recently is a 309 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:02,200 transgenderism that is starting to lose that's flavor. If I understanding 310 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,000 that correctly. There, Yeah, there's theories are happening. 311 00:20:05,319 --> 00:20:05,559 Speaker 3: Yeah. 312 00:20:05,599 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: Well, I mean I've seen some of the the data 313 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:12,359 suggests that people who identify younger, people who identify as trans, 314 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:13,799 that that number is declining. 315 00:20:15,599 --> 00:20:17,519 Speaker 5: Okay, so that there's a little hope on that. I 316 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,279 kind of see the the when logic is starting to 317 00:20:21,319 --> 00:20:23,519 take hold of it, that men can't be women, women 318 00:20:23,559 --> 00:20:25,400 can't be men kind of thing. I can see that, 319 00:20:26,599 --> 00:20:28,880 So kind of kind of going back into the DEI 320 00:20:29,079 --> 00:20:33,119 someone Now, of course they're still gonna accept transgenderism, but 321 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,079 I think the argument appears like it might be winning 322 00:20:36,079 --> 00:20:37,079 from that perspective. 323 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,079 Speaker 1: Maybe so, yeah, maybe so. 324 00:20:39,319 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 5: In relation to the DEI, though, I see a bigger 325 00:20:43,319 --> 00:20:47,839 hurdle for us to jump over because there was history 326 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:53,000 and things that happened and injustices, and it just seems 327 00:20:53,039 --> 00:20:55,720 that much more difficult to get to that point of 328 00:20:55,799 --> 00:20:59,279 if if like transgenderism is it's kind of self evident 329 00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:02,680 when people will really start thinking about it. But this 330 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,599 lends itself to kind of injustices that did happen, and 331 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:10,119 we're not saying it didn't, but it's very I don't know, 332 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:15,240 it needs to be a little bit more nuanced in our. 333 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,319 Speaker 1: In our No, we don't, sorry, Chris, this is America. 334 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,640 We don't do nuance, So no, there's a problem with you. 335 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 5: No, we do it for latus when we walked here. 336 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: Right, that's right, Chris. I appreciate the call, sir, all right, 337 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,000 thank you. I appreciate the call. Let me go over 338 00:21:30,039 --> 00:21:34,839 here and talk with Brian. Hello, Brian, how are you hey? 339 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 3: What's going on? How you doing? 340 00:21:36,279 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 5: Man? 341 00:21:37,279 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: I'm doing fine, I think how are you doing? 342 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 3: Yeah? Okay, I know. Did I hear you say something 343 00:21:42,279 --> 00:21:46,799 about about white people not being guilty for what other 344 00:21:46,839 --> 00:21:48,359 white people did two hundred years ago? 345 00:21:49,519 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 1: I said, nobody is guilty of Nobody is guilty of 346 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,680 anything that people did two hundred years ago, black people 347 00:21:55,759 --> 00:21:58,240 or white people or any other people. 348 00:21:58,759 --> 00:22:01,279 Speaker 3: What was what was then that? So I just turned 349 00:22:01,319 --> 00:22:03,319 on the radio. I got that point. But I'm thinking 350 00:22:03,319 --> 00:22:07,839 that just because you was missing a DEI I'm thinking that, Okay, well, 351 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,680 thee I shouldn't be inactive because of what happened years 352 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,039 and years ago. Is that what you're saying. 353 00:22:13,799 --> 00:22:15,799 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and put you 354 00:22:15,839 --> 00:22:17,880 back on hold, Brian, and I will advise you to 355 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,599 go back and listen to the first hour of the podcast. 356 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,079 You can get it at the peatpod dot com, because 357 00:22:24,079 --> 00:22:27,000 I'm not going to rehash an hour and a half 358 00:22:27,039 --> 00:22:31,559 worth of content for you. So if you would like 359 00:22:31,599 --> 00:22:34,960 to learn what I said, it is readily available on 360 00:22:35,079 --> 00:22:38,519 the podcast, and then you can, you know, send me 361 00:22:38,519 --> 00:22:41,519 a message or something if you've got any questions. I've 362 00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:45,359 been covering this piece by Jacob Savage at the Lost 363 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:50,200 Generation or called the Lost Generation. It's a compactmag dot com. 364 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:55,279 Compact magazine, and he we already covered the newsroom portions. 365 00:22:55,799 --> 00:23:00,200 Now he's into academia. He talks about Berkeley commissioning regrets 366 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:05,039 analysis to identify which quasi legal strategies would produce the 367 00:23:05,079 --> 00:23:09,279 fewest number of white male job offers. This was all 368 00:23:09,279 --> 00:23:12,680 out in the open. In his first year on the 369 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:17,319 academic job market, a man identified only as Ethan applied 370 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,519 to nearly fifty jobs. It was a slog. He was 371 00:23:20,599 --> 00:23:22,880 thrilled when he was a finalist for a tenure track 372 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:27,039 position at Brown University. At every stage of the process, 373 00:23:27,599 --> 00:23:31,319 the number of male applicants was whittled down. Ethan made 374 00:23:31,319 --> 00:23:35,240 it to the final interview round at Brown after a 375 00:23:35,279 --> 00:23:39,039 long back and forth with the search committee, a sign 376 00:23:39,079 --> 00:23:42,720 that he believes was of internal dissension, but he lost 377 00:23:42,759 --> 00:23:45,960 out quote. They wanted everything through the prism of race. 378 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,720 Unless you place race squarely at the center of your research, 379 00:23:49,799 --> 00:23:54,640 you're vulnerable, especially if your identity doesn't fit the desired profile. 380 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,039 Of the men who managed to pass through Brown's gender 381 00:23:58,079 --> 00:24:03,640 gauntlet white. Since twenty twenty two, Brown has hired forty 382 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,880 five tenure track professors in the humanities and social sciences. 383 00:24:08,599 --> 00:24:14,400 Forty five of the forty five three were white American men, 384 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,880 that is just under seven percent. Over the next three years, 385 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,240 Ethan applied to dozens more positions, including UC Berkeley, U 386 00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:27,960 C Irvine, and as elsewhere. The UC schools required DEI statements, 387 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,440 in which prospective faculty were asked to detail future plans 388 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,960 to advance DEI. Ethan had to write dozens of these 389 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,440 statements in the course of his job search, but the 390 00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:42,119 UCS took it a step further. Universities of California, under 391 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,640 an eight and a half million dollar state program called 392 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,839 Advancing Faculty Diversity. Uc administrators used DEI statements as a 393 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:53,000 first cut to winnow down the applicant pools before the 394 00:24:53,079 --> 00:24:58,079 faculty were even allowed to consider the candidates. All right, 395 00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:59,880 if you're listening to this show, you know I try 396 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:01,720 to keep up with all sorts of current events, and 397 00:25:01,759 --> 00:25:03,839 I know you do too, And you've probably heard me 398 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:08,079 say get your news from multiple sources. Why well, because 399 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,799 it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've 400 00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:14,160 been so impressed with ground News. It's an app and 401 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,279 it's a website and it combines news from around the 402 00:25:17,279 --> 00:25:20,000 world in one place so you can compare coverage and 403 00:25:20,079 --> 00:25:23,920 verify information. You can check it out at check dot ground, 404 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,240 dot news slash pete. I put the link in the 405 00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:30,519 podcast description too. 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I'm going to skip over the Hollywood 417 00:26:06,079 --> 00:26:10,880 portion of this piece by Jacob Savage, The Lost Generation. 418 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,240 This final chapter is called everywhere Else. For a decade, 419 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,480 he says, it kept going faster and faster with any 420 00:26:17,519 --> 00:26:22,039 actual without any actual quotas to achieve, only the constant 421 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:27,079 exhortation to do better. The diversity complex became self radicalizing, 422 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,200 a strange confluence of top down and bottom up pressure. 423 00:26:31,759 --> 00:26:33,880 No one ever said what the right number of white 424 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,079 men would be, but it was always fewer than you 425 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:40,240 currently had. The boundaries shifted depending on the industry and 426 00:26:40,279 --> 00:26:42,920 the moment. A white woman might be favored in some 427 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:49,079 contexts disfavored in others. An Asian American man might face 428 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,720 extra obstacles in tech or medicine, but if he wanted 429 00:26:52,759 --> 00:26:55,640 to be a screenwriter or an English professor, then the 430 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,759 system worked in his favor, but for younger white men, 431 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,000 any professional success was fundamentally a problem for institutions to solve, 432 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,519 and solve it they did. Over the course of the 433 00:27:05,559 --> 00:27:09,599 twenty tens, Nearly every mechanism liberal America used to confer 434 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:16,240 prestige was reweighted along identitarian lines. Seven white male gen 435 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,279 xers won the MacArthur Genius Fellowship in twenty thirteen alone, 436 00:27:20,839 --> 00:27:24,359 the same number as the total number of white male 437 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:29,680 millennials who have won it since. In twenty fourteen, two 438 00:27:29,759 --> 00:27:33,880 white male millennials were National Book Award finalists, including one 439 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:38,200 winner that's ten years ago. That year, nine white male 440 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,640 American artists under forty appeared at the Whitney Biennial, but 441 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,359 of the seventy millennial writers nominated for the National Book 442 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,519 Awards in the decade that followed, three were white men. 443 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:56,519 The Big Four Galleries represent forty seven millennial artists. Three 444 00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:59,480 of the forty seven or white dudes at the twenty 445 00:27:59,519 --> 00:28:03,440 twenty four Whitney Biennial, which featured forty five millennial artists, 446 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,519 none were white guys. The white men shut out of 447 00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:12,000 the culture industries didn't surge into high status fields. Other fields, 448 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,200 They didn't suddenly flood advertising, law, or medicine, which are 449 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,160 all less white and significantly less male than they were 450 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,920 a decade ago. The shift in medicine has been even 451 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,880 more dramatic. Tech not much of a refuge either, talks 452 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:35,160 about the white male populations dropping at Google at Amazon. 453 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:41,960 He says, the refugees, sorry, the refuges. That young white 454 00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:50,039 men did find crypto podcasting substack because there were no 455 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,559 barriers to entry. A friend who's now an executive at 456 00:28:53,559 --> 00:28:56,920 a major crypto company scraped by as a freelance film 457 00:28:57,039 --> 00:29:00,279 editor for years. He applied to Netflix five times, and 458 00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:03,279 eventually he was told explicitly that they did not need 459 00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:06,400 more white guys. He did not go into crypto because 460 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,160 it was high status. He went into it because Hollywood 461 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,039 wouldn't have him. The DEI departments have mostly shut down 462 00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:17,839 or quietly rebranded themselves. The mountains of reports and glossy 463 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,240 PDFs have been quietly scrubbed, as if to hide the evidence. 464 00:29:22,359 --> 00:29:27,119 What was the justification for gutting the American meritocracy. Nobody 465 00:29:27,119 --> 00:29:30,319 seems to know. It's tempting to wave it all away 466 00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:34,480 as secular decline. White men abandoning fields that were losing 467 00:29:34,519 --> 00:29:38,680 status or economic value. But the time, the timeline, the 468 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,400 timing of it doesn't line up. The sharpest declines and 469 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,759 opportunity for younger white men did not happen during the 470 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,079 rolling crises of the past few years. They were baked 471 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,559 in during the mid twenty tens, when new media was expanding, coverage, 472 00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:57,319 universities were growing, Hollywood was at peak TV. And this 473 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:02,240 raises some uncomfortable questions. Is the media more trusted now 474 00:30:02,279 --> 00:30:06,000 than a decade ago? Is Hollywood making better films and 475 00:30:06,079 --> 00:30:11,920 TV now? Is academia more respected now? Have these institutions 476 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:17,960 become stronger since they systematically excluded an entire cohort, or 477 00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:23,759 did abandoning meritocracy accelerate their decline? The fact that other 478 00:30:23,759 --> 00:30:27,319 groups in other areas, in other eras, I should say, 479 00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:30,119 in other times in our history, have faced worse discrimination, 480 00:30:31,839 --> 00:30:35,720 that is not in itself an argument that, in the 481 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,799 grand scheme of things, the disenfranchisement of white male millennials, oh, 482 00:30:38,839 --> 00:30:41,720 it's relatively mild when you look at the past discrimination. 483 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,279 That's not an argument, especially when the entire liberal establishment 484 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,960 insists that nothing actually happened, that the mild correction was 485 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,640 in fact no correction at all, and that any white 486 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,240 man harmed in the process must have just been a 487 00:30:56,279 --> 00:31:00,279 mediocre guy, because what they're really saying is that we 488 00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:05,519 were not supposed to notice. And here's the kicker on this. 489 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,759 Most of the men that he interviewed were liberals. Some 490 00:31:10,839 --> 00:31:13,599 still are, he says, but to feel the weight of 491 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,160 society's disfavor can be disorienting. We millennials were true believers 492 00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:22,720 in race and gender blind meritocracy, which, for all its faults, 493 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,000 was far superior to what replaced it, and to see 494 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,720 that vision so spectacularly betrayed has engendered a skepticism towards 495 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:36,240 the entire liberal project that won't soon disappear. As I 496 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,559 said in the first hour, this is the stuff like 497 00:31:39,759 --> 00:31:44,200 jet fuel for the Nick Fuentes crowd. All right, that'll 498 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,880 do it for this episode. 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