1 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:28,879 Speaker 1: At a book. 2 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 2: If you'd like to be able to listen to the 3 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,959 show without ads and have full access to bonus content, 4 00:01:32,359 --> 00:01:35,599 that's an option. To find out how, please go to 5 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:43,879 Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Joey. Joey, 6 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:45,040 Welcome to the show. 7 00:01:46,799 --> 00:01:49,959 Speaker 1: Thank you Vick for having me, Thank you for making 8 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,480 the time to talk to me. 9 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:56,239 Speaker 2: Well, thanks for being here. We appreciate your time. Joey, 10 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,439 please give us a brief bio on yourself. 11 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,439 Speaker 1: I've basically, I have only done two jobs in my 12 00:02:07,519 --> 00:02:12,080 whole life. I've been in the military and I've done 13 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:18,280 electrical work, and fortunately that's paid out on both ends 14 00:02:18,479 --> 00:02:22,960 for myself. So that's basically my life, ex military and 15 00:02:23,439 --> 00:02:28,560 simply do electrical work. Married with a sixteen year old 16 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:34,280 that I no longer know because she's at that point, 17 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:39,560 but I love her dearly and I'd never thought that 18 00:02:39,599 --> 00:02:43,840 I'd get into all this cryptis stuff. I had curiosity 19 00:02:43,879 --> 00:02:48,800 about it. I've always been curious about things, but it's 20 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,840 very surprising once you realize these things actually do exist 21 00:02:52,879 --> 00:02:56,520 and it's not just stories that you're listening to. So 22 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,800 that's the short and long of it, as far as 23 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,280 my life and now I'm just simply trying to move 24 00:03:06,319 --> 00:03:09,280 on after the experiences that I've had in my life 25 00:03:09,319 --> 00:03:14,400 and what I've recently seen that I'm still processing. I 26 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,520 guess you could say, yeah. 27 00:03:16,319 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 2: It's going to take some time. You're going to be 28 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,759 processing it for a while. And it's funny how it 29 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,639 works with this cryptid stuff. You just look around and 30 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,240 you realize you're neck deep in it. Never expected that 31 00:03:27,319 --> 00:03:30,960 to happen. It just happened. Sometimes it's just how it works. 32 00:03:31,199 --> 00:03:33,439 And thank you so much for your service to our country. 33 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:34,719 I really appreciate it. 34 00:03:35,759 --> 00:03:38,039 Speaker 1: Thank you, Vick that that means a lot coming from you. 35 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,159 Speaker 2: Well, I mean that you're a good man. Joey. You 36 00:03:42,199 --> 00:03:45,039 live in a place where there's a history of cryptid encounters. 37 00:03:45,159 --> 00:03:46,560 What more can you tell us about that. 38 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: I've been fascinated for a while with the with the 39 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,960 cryptid stuff due to some other previous experiences. So I 40 00:03:59,039 --> 00:04:03,840 kind of did a little bit of research into Middletown, Maryland, 41 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:08,280 that's in Frederick County, and I actually found quite a 42 00:04:08,319 --> 00:04:13,479 few reports previously of dogmin sightings in the area. And 43 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:18,120 this was mostly in the seventies and early eighties. You know, Unfortunately, 44 00:04:18,199 --> 00:04:20,839 it's developed a lot more what I like it to be, 45 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,879 because there's a lot more people moving in now. But 46 00:04:25,399 --> 00:04:30,720 I was actually surprised by that, and part of it, 47 00:04:30,759 --> 00:04:34,000 I think has to do with the original settlers that 48 00:04:35,439 --> 00:04:41,120 moved into that area of Maryland. And again, it was 49 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,199 just a fascination that I had. It wasn't necessarily that 50 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,040 I guess. I have to admit I didn't necessarily believe 51 00:04:50,079 --> 00:04:53,199 it because I still thought it was a you know, 52 00:04:53,399 --> 00:04:59,360 campfire story. So I looked into it and I was fascinated, 53 00:04:59,439 --> 00:05:02,800 and I'm I've heard so many people talk about it 54 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,519 and almost what would it be like to run to 55 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,600 a wherewolf. I know it's not awarewolf, like a person 56 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:13,720 changing into a wolf type creature, but it always fascinated 57 00:05:13,759 --> 00:05:18,959 me because you know, Native Americans talk about all these entities. 58 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:25,920 So I just always within myself, I figured there has 59 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:27,720 to be something to it, and the fact that I 60 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:32,480 lived in an area where these things are around that 61 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,920 that was fascinating to me. It definitely intrigued me. He's 62 00:05:36,959 --> 00:05:41,120 how I found your pod cast and I kept listening 63 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,560 to it. It's like what I always tell people is like, Okay, 64 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,399 nine and ninety nine people couldn't mind about what about 65 00:05:48,399 --> 00:05:51,720 a subject. But if that one person that gets a 66 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:58,600 thousand is telling the truth, that changes the paradigm. All 67 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,040 you need is for one person to tell the truth 68 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,920 about what they actually saw. And obviously I'm not saying 69 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,279 that everybody else is a liar. I'm simply saying it 70 00:06:06,399 --> 00:06:10,079 just takes one person. And once you get to that 71 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:16,800 point of view, it's you know, it's really very hard 72 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:22,360 to deny the fact that these things actually exist. So 73 00:06:22,399 --> 00:06:26,319 I was surprised, but this is when we moved in there. 74 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:27,839 That's not what I was looking for. I was just 75 00:06:27,879 --> 00:06:32,000 looking for a stable home for my kid to grow 76 00:06:32,079 --> 00:06:37,120 up in a nice neighborhood with normal people. And then 77 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:41,560 I find out this is the background. It so certainly 78 00:06:41,639 --> 00:06:44,639 took me by surprise. I enjoyed it because I thought 79 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:49,000 it was just stories, but that is the background of 80 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:49,839 the area I live in. 81 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 2: Sure would be awfully nice if it was just stories, 82 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,720 but as you know, that's not the case from what 83 00:06:57,759 --> 00:07:01,120 you've learned. Have only dogged me inside been reported there 84 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,959 in the Middletown area, or have you heard about other 85 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,120 cryptid sidings being reported there? 86 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: No, they're we are not too far away. From the 87 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:22,560 Potomac River, and I've actually heard several sightings of sasquatch 88 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,240 in some of the more prominent rivers around there from 89 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,759 people camping and kayaking and stuff like that. So and 90 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,240 those are not from the seventies and eighties but actually 91 00:07:33,279 --> 00:07:40,639 quite recent so apparently they're there's a lot of stuff. 92 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,600 I guess maybe just moving through the area, because you know, 93 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,759 it is getting a lot more populated. But we are 94 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,920 in a valley that's nestled in between the foothills of 95 00:07:49,959 --> 00:07:53,240 the Appalachian Mountains and the Catoctin Mountains. Now, when I 96 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,839 say mountains, obviously the people in the Northwest are going 97 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,240 to lapen me because to them we're just hills. But 98 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,759 for our area, they're the little mountains we have. But 99 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:10,639 you know, we have a large population of wildlife, from 100 00:08:10,959 --> 00:08:15,800 bears and coyotes and deer, you know, any animal you 101 00:08:15,839 --> 00:08:21,560 can think of, bobcats, you know, we do have all 102 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:27,399 those animals in the area. It's a not a rare thing, necessarily, 103 00:08:28,199 --> 00:08:34,039 define bears going through our neighborhood. Most of our neighbors 104 00:08:34,039 --> 00:08:38,320 now have the ring cameras, so they'll send out text 105 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:42,279 messages saying, hey, look there's a bear here. You know, 106 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,120 my daughter's got to walk to the bus stop because 107 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,399 she leaves obviously last, I leave first, her mom, and 108 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:52,159 that she's got to get herself to the bus. But 109 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,919 those alerts go out, you know, at least several times 110 00:09:03,039 --> 00:09:06,559 during the year before they go to hibernate. So we 111 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,320 don't live in the most rural area, but we definitely 112 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,600 live in an area where there's still a lot of 113 00:09:11,639 --> 00:09:12,919 wildlife that comes through. 114 00:09:14,919 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 2: Do you see the idea that so many cryptids are 115 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,440 in your area as a good thing or a bad one? 116 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:24,120 Considering how interested you are encryptis. 117 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: I would have to say that I don't necessarily enjoy 118 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:34,080 the idea because of the fact that of how I 119 00:09:34,159 --> 00:09:39,679 see them. And it's one thing to run into a bear, 120 00:09:40,639 --> 00:09:44,759 because most black bears once they see you, they're going 121 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:53,240 to turn and run. We I've given my daughter some 122 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,240 some mace that she can carry with her to the 123 00:09:57,279 --> 00:10:00,960 bus stop, you know, before school, because some times, especially 124 00:10:01,039 --> 00:10:05,080 in winter, it starts to get dark earlier or light later, 125 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:10,600 and so I do worry about those things. But it's 126 00:10:10,639 --> 00:10:18,320 not something that is not unnatural. You know that unless 127 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,480 you run into a mom with cubs, then you're gonna 128 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,679 be in trouble. But other than that, most other animals, 129 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,960 even a kyo that gets too friendly, which they don't 130 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,240 around my area because they get taken care of. But 131 00:10:33,399 --> 00:10:35,559 I don't really I'm not afraid of nature. I've never 132 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:40,200 been that person, and I give my wife and my 133 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,440 daughter the warnings when they need it. But you know, 134 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:50,000 a cryptid is a that's not a normal thing that 135 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,039 we're supposed to run into. You know, those are supposed 136 00:10:53,039 --> 00:10:55,919 to be fairy tales. Those are the monsters we were 137 00:10:55,960 --> 00:11:01,000 always told don't exist. So to come to groups with 138 00:11:01,039 --> 00:11:10,799 the fact that they do exist, I don't know how 139 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,559 to break that too, especially to my daughter. I don't 140 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,679 know how do I tell her, hey, honey, look, you 141 00:11:16,799 --> 00:11:18,799 might run into a whrewolf at some point in your 142 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,679 life that How do you tell that to your child? 143 00:11:22,759 --> 00:11:24,279 How do you how do you bring that up that 144 00:11:24,279 --> 00:11:29,480 that's one of those things that personally I'm not comfortable with. 145 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,480 I don't I don't know how to handle that part 146 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,799 of it still. You know, it took me enough time 147 00:11:37,879 --> 00:11:42,919 to and like I said, I'm still processing it myself. 148 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,960 So how do I go to my kid now and 149 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,480 tell her the monsters under your bed are real, that 150 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:56,320 they really are out there, because I don't want to 151 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,039 set her up for failure and tell her, no, honey, 152 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,720 that's just your man, or those are things that don't 153 00:12:01,759 --> 00:12:04,159 exist on it. I want to tell her, like the 154 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,080 same thing that I tell her, you might run into 155 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:12,039 a bear, go to the school bus, take the mace 156 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,919 with you. You know that's me is just as a 157 00:12:15,039 --> 00:12:19,559 dad hoping, Okay, you never have to use it. You 158 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:24,240 might run into a kyo. This is how you handle that. 159 00:12:25,639 --> 00:12:28,679 I'm just trying to prepare my kid, you know, to 160 00:12:28,759 --> 00:12:32,759 be successful. How do I tell her, Okay, you might 161 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:38,720 run into a dog man that I just don't see 162 00:12:38,759 --> 00:12:42,279 how you can prepare anybody for that kind of stuff. 163 00:12:42,279 --> 00:12:44,799 And even me myself that's been involved in the topic 164 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:50,360 because of my fascination and some of my experiences, if 165 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,519 it still takes me, as an adult time to process it, 166 00:12:54,159 --> 00:12:59,840 how would my kid process that? So I don't I 167 00:13:00,039 --> 00:13:05,240 would say that, No, I'm not. I'm not uncomfortable knowing 168 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:11,879 that these things are around in such a It is 169 00:13:11,919 --> 00:13:17,039 a rural area, but it's not so rural that we're 170 00:13:17,039 --> 00:13:21,840 in the middle of nowhere. You know, we're twenty minutes 171 00:13:22,799 --> 00:13:29,120 up from a from a decent side little city. Frederick 172 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,240 City is just, you know, little city, not major or 173 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:37,120 anything like that, but it's still a city. But you know, 174 00:13:37,799 --> 00:13:41,519 outside of our development on either side, we're basically surrounded 175 00:13:41,519 --> 00:13:47,000 by by woods and farms, and I wouldn't think that 176 00:13:47,039 --> 00:13:49,440 these things would find that an ideal environment to be 177 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:57,200 around it. So it's definitely not something that that I'm 178 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:01,120 always comfortable with. I leave really early in the mornings 179 00:14:01,639 --> 00:14:06,480 for work. I always think about, okay, am I going 180 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:10,159 to be the guy that runs, walks out and steps 181 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,919 in between a mother bear and her cubs and gets 182 00:14:14,039 --> 00:14:17,759 moll because that actually happened where I lived before. Somebody 183 00:14:17,799 --> 00:14:21,120 walked out into the driveway and got BALMD because they 184 00:14:21,159 --> 00:14:25,960 walked out in between a mother bear in her cubs. 185 00:14:26,559 --> 00:14:30,879 D n R got involved in everything else. But that's 186 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,480 just the reality of the area I live in, and 187 00:14:33,519 --> 00:14:36,840 I'm okay with that. You know. It's so I let 188 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,320 my dogs out in the morning, make sure that they 189 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:45,320 clear everything out after that, then you know, that's when 190 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:53,399 I walk out. But I'm pretty sure that if there's 191 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,960 this ten foot sasquatch or a ten foot dog being outside, 192 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,919 I'm pretty sure my dogs aren't going out to sha 193 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:04,240 set off and hopefully I can pick on the vibe 194 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:08,200 and understand. But uh, that's one of those things that 195 00:15:09,159 --> 00:15:12,679 you'd never think you're gonna have to worry about. And 196 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:17,480 once it does happen, then no, I don't. I don't 197 00:15:17,519 --> 00:15:23,159 feel comfortable. They should be up to Washington County and 198 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:28,840 British Columbia and the middle of nowhere, not not in Maryland. 199 00:15:29,919 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 2: They should be and only be found there. But as 200 00:15:33,039 --> 00:15:36,000 you know, that's not how it is. And yeah, to 201 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,000 nine to nine point nine nine nine percent of the population. 202 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,320 The knowledge that you do have cryptis hanging around that's 203 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,360 not going to give you the warm and fuzzies. So 204 00:15:44,519 --> 00:15:47,919 I get it, I really do. If you've had a 205 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,919 dog mean encounter, I would like to speak with me 206 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,799 about it, whether I'm private or on the show. Please 207 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:58,200 go to Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report. All right, Joey, 208 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,720 please tell us about your encounter. Now give us everal 209 00:16:00,799 --> 00:16:02,360 last detail that comes to mind. 210 00:16:03,799 --> 00:16:09,759 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I live in Frederick, Maryland, but I come 211 00:16:09,879 --> 00:16:15,960 up to Hartford County also a lot, because my sister 212 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:21,919 is basically my mother's caretaker. My mom's old and she's 213 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:29,159 got dementia. So my sister retired from a military shoe. 214 00:16:29,519 --> 00:16:34,200 Thankfully she has the ability to take care of my mother, 215 00:16:34,519 --> 00:16:39,919 ain't it. That's a very overwhelming cask at times. So 216 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,960 I come up here a lot, several times a week 217 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,200 to just give her a break, you know. I come 218 00:16:44,279 --> 00:16:49,080 up here after work, and then she can go go 219 00:16:49,159 --> 00:16:53,679 out with a friend, do whatever she needs to do. 220 00:16:54,000 --> 00:17:05,079 And so that's the area where this happened. It's Hardford County. 221 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:11,160 It's right around the Gunpowder State Park, which has a 222 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,440 lot of tributaries in it. They lead all down to 223 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:18,960 the Chesapeake Bay. And again, like I said, I leave 224 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:23,519 early for work, so this area also has a history 225 00:17:23,519 --> 00:17:30,920 of these creatures being here. And sometimes you're leaving in 226 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,880 the morning in the middle. I usually leave by three 227 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,920 twenty reach routeen three twenty. You do think about it 228 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,480 when you walk outside, but it is what it is, 229 00:17:39,599 --> 00:17:44,000 you know. I gotta go to work. And I always thought, well, 230 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,960 if I'm going to see one of these things, it's 231 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,119 going to be at this time when I'm leaving, when 232 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,319 I'm going to work, and I'm driving through these narrow 233 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:57,000 little roads that are surrounded by woods and creeks running 234 00:17:57,039 --> 00:17:59,480 by and everything else. This is where I'm going to 235 00:17:59,559 --> 00:18:03,359 run into the thing if I see it. But my 236 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:10,000 experience actually didn't happen like that. My job sometimes requires 237 00:18:10,039 --> 00:18:16,599 me to change schedules, and on this particular time, I 238 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:22,839 was actually doing a late evening shift into the early morning. 239 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,759 And what happened was I was leaving around three pm 240 00:18:28,799 --> 00:18:32,200 in the afternoon to be able to get down there 241 00:18:32,759 --> 00:18:38,400 by five where the job site was, and I was 242 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:43,920 pulling out of her development getting onto the road. So 243 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:45,559 I come to the stop sign and I'm going to 244 00:18:45,599 --> 00:18:49,039 go right to continue to go on about my way. 245 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,559 But when I looked both ways, because obviously I have 246 00:18:55,680 --> 00:19:00,160 to look both ways, on my left hand side, I 247 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:06,119 saw a movement that caught my eye, and at first 248 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:10,400 I thought it was a bear. There's black shiny firs 249 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,559 what I thought it was, So I immediately think bear because 250 00:19:13,559 --> 00:19:17,680 I've seen black bears before where I live. So I'm thinking, okay, 251 00:19:17,799 --> 00:19:24,480 that's a bear. Before I get into those details, I 252 00:19:24,599 --> 00:19:28,640 just want to add a little bit more background to 253 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:32,480 it if I may. The place where I saw this 254 00:19:32,599 --> 00:19:37,160 animal crossing, it's kind of like a narrow strip of 255 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:42,839 woods that runs in between the houses and developments. And honestly, 256 00:19:42,839 --> 00:19:45,359 I don't know the area well enough to know how 257 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,079 far it goes or where it's coming from. But there's 258 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,839 a lot of deer trails that go through there. And 259 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:52,880 as a matter of fact, my sister and I were 260 00:19:54,079 --> 00:20:00,200 coming back one day together from the store in amost 261 00:20:00,279 --> 00:20:01,839 hit a deer that ran out in front of us, 262 00:20:01,839 --> 00:20:04,799 and there was like a hole heard a deer coming across. 263 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:10,319 So it's a very well traveled corridor in between the 264 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,720 homes that are here. So I just want to establish 265 00:20:13,759 --> 00:20:21,200 that that it's a known wildlife corridor. So I look 266 00:20:21,319 --> 00:20:24,400 left and I see this thing going across, like I said, 267 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:31,759 and I'm thinking, hits a bear. But it was not 268 00:20:31,839 --> 00:20:38,359 a bear. I once I actually looked at it and 269 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,599 stared at it, I realized very quickly it was not 270 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,599 a bear. It was a canine. It was a dog. 271 00:20:48,279 --> 00:20:51,960 And there's nothing surprising about seeing a dog crossing a road. 272 00:20:52,799 --> 00:20:54,759 You might feel sorry for it if it's astray, but 273 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,599 inherently there's nothing strange about seeing a dog going across 274 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:06,920 the road. But it definitely caught my attention and I 275 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,839 focused on it. I looked at it, and it grabbed 276 00:21:10,839 --> 00:21:16,079 my curiosity enough that I actually turned left instead, and 277 00:21:16,079 --> 00:21:17,960 it went up there to see if I could see 278 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:22,079 it again. I couldn't. It had crossed the road and 279 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:27,200 it was gone. I continued on to work, but I 280 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,599 couldn't get it out of my mind, and it kept 281 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,759 bugging me and bugging me. Then I was asking myself, 282 00:21:35,839 --> 00:21:42,640 why is this bothering you so much? And this is 283 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,319 where I'm going to tell your listeners a little bit 284 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,680 more about myself. Maybe I should have said this earlier. 285 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,640 I have been in the military. I have been trained 286 00:21:54,680 --> 00:22:00,000 in observation because of the skill set that was required 287 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:08,400 for my job. So I can at times notice a 288 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:13,559 lot of things that other people won't notice. Very quickly, 289 00:22:14,079 --> 00:22:17,640 you could say, and it just gets imprinted and then 290 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:22,640 I can process it. And that's exactly what I started 291 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:34,440 to do. I have a background also with working with rescues. 292 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:42,000 The predominant breed I work with is German shepherds. I've 293 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:47,880 been around Ruttweilers, I've been around great things, great Pyrenees. 294 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,279 I've seen a lot of large, powerful dogs, a couple 295 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,839 of king Corsos, So I have a lot of experience. 296 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,599 Also because I started working with rescues when I was 297 00:22:59,599 --> 00:23:03,799 in my twenties. I'm now almost fifty to forty nine, 298 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,640 so I have a lot of experience also with dogs. 299 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:14,799 I currently have dogs. The young male I have is 300 00:23:17,079 --> 00:23:23,640 one hundred pound German Shepherd. Because of this incident, I 301 00:23:23,759 --> 00:23:28,240 actually went home and measured him. He's twenty four inches 302 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,519 at the shoulder without the head. From the shoulders to 303 00:23:33,559 --> 00:23:38,000 the back, without the tail, he's thirty inches. The head's 304 00:23:38,039 --> 00:23:44,480 about with this mount's about almost fourteen inches because he's 305 00:23:44,599 --> 00:23:51,160 German blood working line, so they breed for a bigger 306 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:58,880 head because they're made for police work. And estimating the 307 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:03,519 distance was right around three hundred meters to where I 308 00:24:03,559 --> 00:24:07,640 saw this dog, maybe less. I mean, I could be 309 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,839 off on that. I haven't measured that, but I did 310 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,079 measure the road. I went out there with the tape 311 00:24:13,079 --> 00:24:15,960 measure and I measured the road. It's twenty feet across. 312 00:24:16,039 --> 00:24:21,599 It's only a two lane road twenty feet across. And 313 00:24:21,759 --> 00:24:24,079 all this is going to come into place once I 314 00:24:24,319 --> 00:24:31,480 get it all out. Like I said, it happened recently, 315 00:24:31,519 --> 00:24:34,519 so I'm still trying to process everything now. So I 316 00:24:34,599 --> 00:24:39,759 measured the dog, I measured the road, and I continue 317 00:24:39,799 --> 00:24:47,759 to process this information. The animal I saw crossing the 318 00:24:47,839 --> 00:24:54,400 road at that distance, because I've seen my dog when 319 00:24:54,440 --> 00:25:03,640 he's one hundred yards away from me or more, he 320 00:25:03,759 --> 00:25:11,640 looks tiny. He looks tiny at that distance, and maybe 321 00:25:12,279 --> 00:25:14,440 maybe I should go back and measure because three hundred 322 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:20,319 meters sounds maybe longer than than what it is. Maybe 323 00:25:20,319 --> 00:25:24,279 it was two hundred meters. Like I said, I'm still 324 00:25:24,279 --> 00:25:27,400 in the middle of processing all this, but the point 325 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,759 being is that whether it was one hundred, two hundred, 326 00:25:31,759 --> 00:25:33,759 three hundred meters, I know what my dog looks like 327 00:25:33,839 --> 00:25:36,319 at that distance, and at that distance, my dog would 328 00:25:36,319 --> 00:25:44,039 look tiny. And he's a big one hundred pound German Shepherd. 329 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:48,079 When he puts his head up, the dog is pretty 330 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:58,079 pretty big. That dog dwarfed him. That dog absolutely dwarfed 331 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:03,400 my dog. And I think that's why my subconscious could 332 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:12,640 not get over it. It kept going back and back 333 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:17,240 through my head because to me, when I first looked 334 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,119 at it, okay, it's not a bear, it's a dog. 335 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,920 But then I kept thinking about it, and it's like, 336 00:26:25,599 --> 00:26:28,559 there's no dog that should be that big at that 337 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:35,240 distance that I saw it at. And at one point 338 00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:41,279 I was listening to an eyewitnessed you previously had before 339 00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:47,960 with a dog man encounter in Maryland, just maybe twenty 340 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:55,759 miles south of here. And what got me about it 341 00:26:56,519 --> 00:27:00,720 she actually saw it standing up with two legs. It 342 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:08,119 was completely white, and they actually locked eyes and looked 343 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:14,799 at each other. But the one thing that she the 344 00:27:14,839 --> 00:27:21,079 one detail she described so well was the tail. She said, 345 00:27:21,079 --> 00:27:23,480 I had a bushy tail, and she described it, and 346 00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:28,000 I thought about it. It's like, that's exactly what I saw. 347 00:27:28,599 --> 00:27:31,119 It was the same tail where the tail was bushy, 348 00:27:32,039 --> 00:27:35,680 but not like a bushy dog or even my German 349 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,640 shepherd has longer hairs towards the end of the tail. 350 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,039 But the way she described it, from the bottom, like 351 00:27:42,599 --> 00:27:46,319 close to the body, you could see it had longer hair. 352 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,839 But as it went further down the tail it got 353 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:55,279 longer and longer and longer till it became bushy. And 354 00:27:55,319 --> 00:28:00,680 that's what I saw crossing the road. And again I 355 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,400 didn't get to see the head. I saw it from 356 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:11,440 the shoulder's back. But then I realized that because of 357 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,720 the curve of the road in the trees, I didn't 358 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:19,799 get to see the head. But that animal was taking 359 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,960 up almost half the road, and half the road should 360 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,680 be ten feet. I'm not saying that this animal was 361 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:34,319 ten feet long from the shoulder to its rear. I'm 362 00:28:34,319 --> 00:28:39,480 not saying that clean almost, But even if it's almost, 363 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,799 I can compare it to my dog that I literally 364 00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:52,519 measured thirty inches from the shoulder to its rear. Other 365 00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:56,519 bigger dogs, even great Danes and stuff like that. Maybe 366 00:28:56,599 --> 00:29:00,640 I'll give you another foot, maybe you'll be forty fifty 367 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:09,440 inches right, that's still on their five feet and for 368 00:29:09,559 --> 00:29:15,279 half of the road, which is ten feet. How does 369 00:29:15,319 --> 00:29:18,759 an animal get that close, because now you're pushing anywhere 370 00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:25,319 from six seven eight feet. I've never seen a dog 371 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,799 that large and at that distance. That if that dog 372 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,119 was probably two to three times the height of my dog. 373 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:43,599 Even Irish house Wolfhounse don't get that big. I've never 374 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:49,000 seen or heard of a dog that's what six feet 375 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,000 at the shoulder. Maybe somebody can correct me, but I've 376 00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:58,079 never heard of an animal of a dog that tall 377 00:29:58,279 --> 00:30:05,920 in that long. And because it was afternoon, I never 378 00:30:08,039 --> 00:30:10,279 it never hit me. Okay, this might be this, or 379 00:30:10,319 --> 00:30:14,559 this might be that I just saw it, looked at it, 380 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,039 I went there to look for it again. Wasn't there 381 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,119 caught my interest that much that. 382 00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:23,799 Speaker 3: I detoured and went to look for it when I 383 00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:27,759 was on my little work, But at that time, I 384 00:30:27,759 --> 00:30:29,200 don't think I really processed it. 385 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,559 Speaker 1: Took me quite a while just to think about it 386 00:30:38,599 --> 00:30:43,160 and say, what exactly was that, because that's not natural 387 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:54,079 and that's basically what I saw. That that was my 388 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,680 roadside crossing. And I'm not going to sit here and 389 00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:05,200 tell you, yes, Vick, it was a dog man. But 390 00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:14,880 I sus an unusually large canine crossing the road. And 391 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,160 I've seen bears running across the highway before, all out, 392 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,440 just bolting across the road, and I always think, oh, 393 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,160 that's so cool. And I got to see a bear today. 394 00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:35,240 I've seen kyotes starting in front. Awesome. I got to 395 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:40,920 see a kyote. They're so cool. But I don't dwell 396 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:47,039 on it. I don't think about it weeks later. I 397 00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:49,640 don't keep going back to that. I just think that 398 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,799 was a really nice moment. That was a cool memory. 399 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:58,240 I got to see one that was really cool. This thing, 400 00:31:58,319 --> 00:32:03,640 for whatever reason, is just simply taking up too much 401 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:13,240 space in my head. Maybe people may not believe me, 402 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:22,799 but what I saw to me was not natural, and 403 00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:27,359 like I said, maybe it was just a roadside crossing. 404 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,400 And I can't even tell you that it was it. 405 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,000 I didn't see it on running across on two legs. 406 00:32:33,319 --> 00:32:35,799 I didn't see that it was transparent or anything like that. 407 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:44,880 I just saw a really unusually large dog running across 408 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:45,279 the road. 409 00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:48,599 Speaker 2: I really like the fact. I respect the fact that 410 00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:51,960 you're not telling us what it was that you saw. 411 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,519 You're just telling us what you saw. And when I 412 00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:56,960 listened to the details, I can't see how it could 413 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,960 have been anything but a dog man because nothing else 414 00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:02,960 fits that description. So it's pretty cut and dry to 415 00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:07,319 me on that. Before I start asking you questions about 416 00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:10,640 your encounter there, Joey, I want to touch on something. 417 00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:13,759 The eyewitness that you just mentioned who saw that big 418 00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:16,799 white dog man across the road from her apartment. That 419 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,680 was Mindy. Mindy was featured on episode five eighty seven 420 00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:24,440 and it was titled please don't come in. Well less 421 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,359 than a week ago, I think less than five days ago, 422 00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:30,160 Mindy had another dog mean encounter with that same big 423 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,519 white dog men. It was behind her apartment building, and 424 00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:38,680 this time her boyfriend saw it, so I spoke with her. 425 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,079 I think it was either yesterday or the day before, 426 00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:47,599 but they're both doing fine. But since her boyfriend was 427 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,880 able to see it with her. I think that really 428 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,880 did help her quite a bit, and thank goodness for that. 429 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,680 You might hear come back on the show to update 430 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,440 this on that encounter. You might not, But as far 431 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,200 as her whole Dogman situation goes, it sounds to me 432 00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:04,720 like she's in a pretty good place. And as long 433 00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:06,559 as we can say that, then that's a great thing. 434 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,199 Speaker 1: It is. I'm glad she's in a she's in a 435 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,119 much better position with her boyfriend being able to see 436 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:18,199 it too, because I know she had a very difficult 437 00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:20,320 time with her first experience. 438 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 2: Oh sure, and understandably so you see something like that, 439 00:34:25,559 --> 00:34:27,840 and especially when it did what it did after she 440 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,320 went into her apartment, it's understandable how that's going to 441 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,519 affect her the way it did. When you've reflected on 442 00:34:34,559 --> 00:34:37,280 seeing that dog Me and Joey, have you ever wanted 443 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,719 to kick yourself for trying to get a better look 444 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,280 at it instead of just driving away immediately? 445 00:34:44,039 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: Not necessarily, because truly, at that moment, I really did 446 00:34:52,960 --> 00:35:00,679 not understand what I was seeing. I was simply curious, 447 00:35:01,079 --> 00:35:13,519 and that that's just part of my personality is I 448 00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:18,000 just wanted to make sure what I saw and to 449 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:26,039 confirm or you know, debunk, I guess, for lack of 450 00:35:26,039 --> 00:35:29,320 a better word, what I had actually seen, because something 451 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,159 inside of me told me that there was something off 452 00:35:33,199 --> 00:35:39,840 on that And maybe I didn't acknowledge it consciously, but 453 00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:44,679 I knew there was something off, and that's the reason 454 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,199 why I detoured and went to see if I could 455 00:35:48,199 --> 00:35:49,400 still catch a glimpse of it. 456 00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 2: I can understand why you decided to go and try 457 00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:55,480 to get a better look. I mean, you were in 458 00:35:55,519 --> 00:35:58,800 your vehicle, after all, and that's going to make you 459 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,599 feel safer than you actually are. But it's understandable that 460 00:36:02,639 --> 00:36:04,679 you felt safe enough because of that to try to, 461 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,320 like I said, take a second look. So I get it. 462 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,920 I know that you're definitely into sasquatch before you had 463 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,559 that dog meaning encounter, But did dog men not move 464 00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:17,079 the needle for you before you actually saw that one? 465 00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:24,039 Speaker 1: Being completely honest, I think that. And I know this 466 00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:29,079 sounds silly when you get into it, but sasquatch is 467 00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:35,440 a much easier concept to wrap your mind around instead 468 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:40,119 of a instead of a werewolf. Yes, I know it's 469 00:36:40,159 --> 00:36:42,920 not aware, but just for the sake of it, instead 470 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,599 of wrapping your mind around a whrewof that just simply 471 00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:49,320 puts it a little bit more out there. And again, 472 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,599 I'm not denying the fact that they've been seen for 473 00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:57,199 hundreds and thousands of years, even back to the Egyptians, 474 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:02,840 you know, But I think your mind just takes it 475 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:09,199 like a story until you see something that really adds 476 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,199 a little bit more truth to it in your world. 477 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 3: And then. 478 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I look at it this way. I've listened 479 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,519 to your podcast forever. I believe the people that have 480 00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:25,719 come on to your show and have told their encounters. 481 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:34,360 I one believe them. But even with that knowledge, I'm 482 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:41,000 not gonna lie to you. It kind of destabilizes you 483 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,400 a little bit to truly truly know that something like 484 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:54,880 that maybe out there. It's there's something much more unsettling 485 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,719 about that than a giant ape in the woods, which 486 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,960 I don't think that's say what it is, but that's 487 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:06,239 another story. But uh, I don't want to run into 488 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,760 a werewolf that's standing on its hind likes. I don't 489 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,199 want to run into that thing. And I do think 490 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,559 about that sometimes once when I'm walking out into the 491 00:38:14,639 --> 00:38:23,880 darkness to get to my car whatever. And that's something 492 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,920 that has been brought in front of my face now 493 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,599 with clear reality, and the thing about it because I 494 00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:33,480 didn't see it in the middle of the night, I 495 00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:37,480 wasn't coming home late, I wasn't doing it was in 496 00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:44,400 broad daylight, in between houses. Like the freaking thing just 497 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:50,440 owned the world. That that's the part that I think 498 00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:56,119 that bothers me a little bit more sometimes because again 499 00:38:56,159 --> 00:38:57,719 I'm not going to tell you that it was, But 500 00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:02,800 if it was, this thing's just going on about its 501 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,320 business and they could care less about who's easier or 502 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,599 what they think about it. It's just doing its own thing, 503 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,679 and that, I think at times makes it a little 504 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:16,960 bit more discomforting then say a sasquatch. At least they 505 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,760 apparently for the most part, either keep it to the 506 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,440 night or try to remain unseen. This thing just seems 507 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,280 like it thinks it owns the world, and only something 508 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:34,800 that's very powerful and confident acts in that manner, And 509 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,360 I guess that makes me a little bit more uneasy 510 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,039 about about that fact. 511 00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:43,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot easier to buy into the fact 512 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,760 that sasquatch are definitely out there than dogmen. But as 513 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,159 hard as it might be to believe dogmen are definitely 514 00:39:50,159 --> 00:39:53,719 out there too. It's hard to explain, but that doesn't 515 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,159 change the fact they're out there. So that's all there 516 00:39:56,199 --> 00:40:01,400 is to that. You've got some formidable dogs living with you. 517 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,800 How much faith do you have in their ability to 518 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,119 protect you from that dog man if it decides to 519 00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:07,360 pay you a visit some time? 520 00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:22,800 Speaker 1: Truthfully, as you and I have spoken previously privately, I 521 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:27,920 have enough military training to react to a dangerous situation. 522 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:34,360 My dogs are trained in protection. As they have spoken 523 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:42,199 with you previously as well, I don't think my dogs 524 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:49,760 would stand a chance against an animal that large, and 525 00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:57,840 I don't even know if I have a caliber powerful enough. 526 00:41:04,119 --> 00:41:12,440 I mean, that's debatable, but I would not let my 527 00:41:12,519 --> 00:41:18,880 dogs go after something like that. I would immediately recall it. 528 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,760 And from even their previous encounters with what we think 529 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:30,800 was a sasquatch, they know better than to challenge something 530 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:36,239 like that. I know my dogs wouldn't stand a chance 531 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,920 against it, but truthfully, I think that they they would 532 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,719 not even challenge something like that. 533 00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, they wouldn't stand a chance. Like you said, I 534 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,239 know you've got that big male of Doug Argentino, but yeah, 535 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,559 even a dog like that wouldn't stand a chance, he 536 00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:55,920 wouldn't even be a speed bomb. So hopefully that old 537 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,480 boy is never going to pay you a visit, so 538 00:41:58,159 --> 00:42:02,440 that never even is a factor. In our first conversation, 539 00:42:02,639 --> 00:42:05,039 I asked if you're traumatized, and you told me that 540 00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:09,400 you weren't. But you also, in that same conversation told 541 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,159 me that there are several things that you used to 542 00:42:11,199 --> 00:42:13,559 do in the woods without a second care or thought 543 00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:16,840 that you can't do now. And if that's the case, 544 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,159 why the change in your comfort level in the woods, 545 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,719 if you aren't traumatized. 546 00:42:25,039 --> 00:42:29,800 Speaker 1: Well, you definitely called me out on that, and I 547 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:35,320 would have to agree with you on that that I've 548 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,159 heard you say so many times. You don't know how 549 00:42:38,159 --> 00:42:40,320 many times these things have seen you. And I've even 550 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,360 spoke to you about previous experiences where I think maybe 551 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,559 there was something around because of how the atmosphere changed. 552 00:42:49,199 --> 00:42:51,920 But you know when they say ignorance is bliss, Like, 553 00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:55,000 if you don't know that these things are out there 554 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,039 and you just hear stories, it's a lot easier to 555 00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:02,480 go on about your business and live your life. Once 556 00:43:02,559 --> 00:43:04,840 you realize these things are truly out there and you 557 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:12,800 start you actually have sightings. I mean, if they wanted 558 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,159 to kill us, they would have been killing tons of 559 00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:19,679 people by now, and there's pretty much nothing anybody could 560 00:43:19,679 --> 00:43:23,400 do about it, and unless we start sending military teams 561 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,440 in to kill them, which frankly, I have heard stories 562 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,400 about that kind of stuff happening, but that's besides the point. 563 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,840 But truthfully, I mean, just somebody hiking through the woods 564 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,599 with their dog. No, you can't do anything about it. 565 00:43:35,639 --> 00:43:40,199 And despite my training it maybe it's not even so 566 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,760 much that I think physically that they're going to attack 567 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:49,519 me and do something to me. Maybe it's just my 568 00:43:49,639 --> 00:43:55,360 own mind trying to wrap itself around this whole concept. 569 00:43:55,440 --> 00:44:01,719 Is I don't want to run into where in the woods. 570 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,559 I don't want to run into a ten foot fall 571 00:44:05,639 --> 00:44:13,960 foot darn giant carry giant in the woods. It just, 572 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,559 even if I know it's there, even if I know 573 00:44:18,639 --> 00:44:22,440 it's real, I don't want to run into it. It's 574 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,840 the same way, you know, well, maybe not the same way, 575 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:29,000 but when people go hiking where grizzly bears are present, 576 00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:32,360 that's the last thing you want to run into. You 577 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,480 don't want to run into a massive grizzly bear, especially 578 00:44:35,519 --> 00:44:40,079 an angry one. You don't want to, But even a 579 00:44:40,119 --> 00:44:49,599 grizzly bear does not. It doesn't bring the kind of 580 00:44:49,639 --> 00:44:55,920 fear that these things do. It's a very unnatural sensation 581 00:44:56,079 --> 00:45:05,840 you get around them with both sasquatch and dog. It 582 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,800 goes back to what I've said before. I don't think 583 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:16,679 that these creatures are simply flesh and blood. I think 584 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:21,280 there's a lot more to it than that. I personally, 585 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,840 in my humble opinion, I think that there's a spiritual 586 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:28,679 aspect to it. And I'm not going to make your 587 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:35,280 podcast a religious thing, but there's a there's something unnatural 588 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:42,119 about it, and your body just just tells you that immediately. 589 00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:47,960 It just just gives you those vibes. I mean, like 590 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,280 I said, I've seen bears. I've run into bears before 591 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:56,039 when I was hunting. I had a bear come charging 592 00:45:56,079 --> 00:45:57,960 out of some bushes one time when I was bow 593 00:45:58,039 --> 00:46:01,519 hunting with a friend of mine in George. And it 594 00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:04,559 scares you. It scares you. I was bow hunting, but 595 00:46:04,639 --> 00:46:08,119 I had a handgun with me. I pulled it thinking 596 00:46:08,159 --> 00:46:11,320 we were getting you know, we were about to get mauled. 597 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,159 But the barriages ran down the hill and minded its 598 00:46:14,199 --> 00:46:19,480 own business. But it scared scared us but my hair 599 00:46:19,519 --> 00:46:22,159 didn't go up. I didn't, I didn't have anything, you know, 600 00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:25,079 it just I guess we could say it startled us. 601 00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:30,800 But these things put a primal fear into you that 602 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:36,719 that's not natural, that the way they make you feel 603 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:45,880 is not natural for for even normal fear. It goes 604 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,360 beyond the fight or flight mode. It goes into something 605 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:54,320 where I don't even know how to explain that. It's 606 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:56,639 they're not normal. 607 00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,360 Speaker 2: It's hard to explain. But I know exactly what you mean, 608 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,559 I really do. Yeah, there's definitely something extra special about 609 00:47:04,599 --> 00:47:07,480 these guys. You can't just explain them away by saying 610 00:47:07,519 --> 00:47:10,000 that they're all flesh and blood creatures that are just 611 00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:12,559 out there trying to scratch out a living. Some of 612 00:47:12,559 --> 00:47:16,239 them might be, but yeah, there are definitely some dog 613 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,400 me that do things that are so far above and 614 00:47:19,559 --> 00:47:23,440 beyond that they've got to be something else. You just 615 00:47:23,559 --> 00:47:27,519 touched on this. You're a man of strong faith. Did 616 00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:30,239 seeing that dog men have an effect on your relationship 617 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:30,760 with God? 618 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,880 Speaker 1: Absolutely not, not in the sense that it's going to 619 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,800 shake my faith or anything like that. I think it 620 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:46,840 strengthen my faith Because a lot of people take scripture 621 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:51,920 for for just a set of rules. They show up 622 00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:56,840 to church, they sit, they stand up, they sing, they listen, 623 00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,280 then they go back to their lives and they're just 624 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:03,159 going about their business like wait until the next weekend. 625 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:10,320 But when you actually read scripture, there's so many supernatural 626 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:18,079 things in Scripture to begin with, and it touches on 627 00:48:18,199 --> 00:48:22,440 so many things that we're created that are not natural, 628 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:28,199 so many beings that exist that are not natural. So 629 00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:34,960 for me, it just emphasizes that it's actually the truth, 630 00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:39,760 and it's talking about these things openly and expressing it openly. 631 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,760 Most people ignore that, but as far as my faith, 632 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:49,880 it just gets stronger in that sense in my beliefs. Yes, 633 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:55,800 as a human being, I do feel fear. I do 634 00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,920 get scared, but at the very end of the day, 635 00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:04,079 I know who's got my back, and I mean, I've 636 00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:06,639 been to war and I came back and I believe 637 00:49:06,679 --> 00:49:12,360 that that's on my mom's prayers. And you know, as 638 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,639 Scripture says, every man is impointed to die at some point, 639 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:23,480 So I don't necessarily fear death. It's it's going to 640 00:49:23,519 --> 00:49:29,239 happen to all of us. That's just a fact. I 641 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,719 don't feel that it affected my faith. I think it's 642 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,280 strengthened my faith. Its strengthened my beliefs and what's in scripture, 643 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,639 and I know these things are out there, and that's 644 00:49:40,679 --> 00:49:45,000 why I believe that they are not natural beings because 645 00:49:47,559 --> 00:49:52,840 like I said, I don't start preaching on your podcast. 646 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:57,800 But now it strengthened my faith because it allows me 647 00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,119 to see all the things that it talks about, that 648 00:50:00,199 --> 00:50:07,119 they are out there, They're real. And by no means 649 00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:10,639 do I want to face it. But if I have 650 00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:15,239 to face it, I'm not afraid in the sense that 651 00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:18,639 if it's going to take my life, I know where 652 00:50:18,639 --> 00:50:22,360 I'm going when I die, so I don't fear it 653 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,920 in that sense. Do I want to die at a tense? 654 00:50:25,039 --> 00:50:29,840 Absolutely not obviously, But as far as faith goes, if 655 00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,480 that's what it has to be, then it has to 656 00:50:31,519 --> 00:50:36,280 be none. If that answers that question. 657 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that does. And you're a good man for feeling 658 00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,840 that way. You've had other pure normal experiences besides your 659 00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,639 dog mean encounter. Have you ever played with a Ouiji board? 660 00:50:52,519 --> 00:51:01,840 Speaker 1: Not on purpose? When I was a kid in third grade, 661 00:51:04,199 --> 00:51:07,360 when it was when it would rain that they would 662 00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,880 bring out all the board games and I remembered one 663 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:15,119 of those was it was a Ouiji board, and I 664 00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:19,000 remember playing with it with some of the other little 665 00:51:19,039 --> 00:51:23,159 kids in the in the classroom, and I didn't know 666 00:51:23,159 --> 00:51:26,960 what it was. I just you know, when you're a 667 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,119 little kid at that age, you just think it's a game, 668 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,199 and I remember messing with it. I'm not going to 669 00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,920 tell you that I felt the little piece move or 670 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,039 anything like that, because we truly were just innocent little 671 00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:42,079 kids thinking we were playing a game. I didn't understand it. 672 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,239 I didn't know what it was for. I just thought 673 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,079 it was another board game that they would give us 674 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:54,480 at Resus when it was raining outside. So that's a 675 00:51:54,519 --> 00:51:58,840 realization actually that recently, just recently came to me, is that, yeah, 676 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:05,320 I had actually been around that. You know, who knows. 677 00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:10,039 Maybe that's what opened the door somewhere to allow me 678 00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:12,039 to see all the things I've seen in my life 679 00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:16,239 because I've lived a very paranormal life. 680 00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:21,119 Speaker 2: You could say, yeah, just might have opened the door. Unfortunately, 681 00:52:22,519 --> 00:52:25,320 thickening the plot further, when you were a kid, you 682 00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,800 had a profound Bigfoot sighting. You came on Bigfoot. I 683 00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,960 witnessed episode five point thirteen actually, and you spoke with 684 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,480 me about that encounter. I'm wondering, though, how would you 685 00:52:35,519 --> 00:52:38,199 compare in contrast what it was like to have that 686 00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,480 sasquatch encounter compared to the one you had with the dog. 687 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:49,039 Speaker 1: Man the sasquatch. If that's truly what it was that 688 00:52:49,159 --> 00:52:53,679 I saw was I still think it was a baby 689 00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:58,920 because of how little it was, and being twelve years 690 00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,639 old at that time. By myself, I liken it to 691 00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:08,360 just two little kids running into each other in the woods. 692 00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:13,559 And it almost seemed to have as much curiosity about 693 00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:15,480 me because it was just looking at me when I 694 00:53:15,519 --> 00:53:21,000 turned around and saw it, and that's all I was 695 00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:27,480 was curious about it too. I didn't have any sense 696 00:53:27,519 --> 00:53:30,519 of dread. I didn't feel anything. I didn't think about 697 00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:37,480 any It was just a curious little animal in the 698 00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:46,679 woods that I hadn't seen before. Whereas this thing all 699 00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:53,239 I saw was running across the road and I couldn't 700 00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,639 let it go. When I went home after seeing that, 701 00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:59,960 my brother said, oh, it was probably just a big score, 702 00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:04,960 and I let it go. It didn't take up any 703 00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,800 space in my thoughts. I'm like, whatever, it was still 704 00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,239 in the back of my head, but I left it there. 705 00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,679 This thing since I saw it a couple of months ago, 706 00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:22,320 still keeps coming back, and now I think, when I'm 707 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:23,760 going out to my car, I'm I going to see 708 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,880 it again. Is it going to be there? Is it 709 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,639 going to be standing on two legs this time? So 710 00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:35,239 it's been drastically different from my siding when I was 711 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:45,559 a kid to seeing this, and this thing just left 712 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,440 every feeling of something being wrong with me. 713 00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,239 Speaker 2: Well it goes with that saying, I sure hope you 714 00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,400 never do see that dog man again. I really hope 715 00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:58,039 you never do. Have you made that drive again, the 716 00:54:58,159 --> 00:55:01,360 drive where you saw the dog man once the encounter happened. 717 00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:07,599 Speaker 1: I have, Like I said, I mean, it's it's literally 718 00:55:07,679 --> 00:55:12,199 in my sister's development. And since I come up here 719 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:17,079 several times a week, I have been through there, I've 720 00:55:17,159 --> 00:55:22,440 driven through it. I don't I don't know if I 721 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:28,280 don't think about it, but it's, uh, I'm kind of 722 00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,280 hoping on the odds. What are the odds I don't 723 00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:31,639 want to see something like that. 724 00:55:33,199 --> 00:55:35,559 Speaker 2: You know, good way to look at it, whatever it 725 00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:38,480 takes to comfort yourself exactly. 726 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,960 Speaker 1: But you know, I gotta do what I gotta do, 727 00:55:43,039 --> 00:55:45,159 whether it's there or not. I mean, I can't stop 728 00:55:45,199 --> 00:55:49,400 living my life. I may not go hunting as deep 729 00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,320 as I used to, I may not go fishing in 730 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,360 the rural areas I used to anymore, But uh, I 731 00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,480 still got to live my life, even if it makes 732 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,239 me uncomfort ble of times. 733 00:56:01,599 --> 00:56:05,039 Speaker 2: It's good you understand that. Yeah, life does go on, 734 00:56:06,199 --> 00:56:08,800 and I know that. Yeah you saw it in her development, 735 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,480 but that doesn't preclude the chance you might have decided 736 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,000 to just start going a different way. So I wasn't 737 00:56:15,039 --> 00:56:16,760 really sure. There are things you don't do in the 738 00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,880 woods anymore. And with that in mind, I thought, Okay, 739 00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,880 if it's moved the needle that much, maybe he goes 740 00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,559 a different way in he hasn't been that same way 741 00:56:26,599 --> 00:56:27,840 since that encounter. 742 00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,039 Speaker 1: They do bother It does bother me. Those things do 743 00:56:34,159 --> 00:56:38,719 bother me. But again I go back to That's where 744 00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,840 I go back to my faith. It is what it is, 745 00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:46,039 and nothing will happen without his permission to begin with. 746 00:56:46,159 --> 00:56:51,719 So if it's my time, it's my time, and I 747 00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,440 can't do anything about it. And if my time comes, 748 00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,679 I'm simply going home. And that's the way I look 749 00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:57,119 at it. 750 00:56:58,039 --> 00:57:01,840 Speaker 2: I like the way you think, I really you you 751 00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:06,159 participated in an exercise at Fort Polk where you had 752 00:57:06,199 --> 00:57:09,559 an interesting experience one night. Please expand on that. 753 00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:17,480 Speaker 1: For us, certainly, what we do, what all units do 754 00:57:17,559 --> 00:57:22,079 before they deployed, They go to most units go to 755 00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:26,239 Fort Poke where they have a designated area where you 756 00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:33,400 basically practice out the missions depending on what your job is, 757 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:41,440 and you go through these exercises with people that basically 758 00:57:41,519 --> 00:57:45,519 grade you. They're watching you, they know everything you're doing, 759 00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:49,079 so you get these quote unquote missions that you have 760 00:57:49,199 --> 00:57:56,480 to do. For my particular job, we were assigned to 761 00:57:56,599 --> 00:58:00,480 overwatch a bridge and there was only four of us 762 00:58:00,519 --> 00:58:03,880 being sent out on the team. We were supposed to 763 00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:10,519 get there before daylight. We were there to quote unquote 764 00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:14,559 stop the bad guys from blowing up the bridge. So 765 00:58:14,599 --> 00:58:17,480 we had to pick an area that we could overwatch 766 00:58:17,559 --> 00:58:24,280 the whole bridge and intercept and stop that if they 767 00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:29,719 did show up. We left at night because that's when 768 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:35,360 we always operated, and we worked to night. We were 769 00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:45,159 moving through the woods. Tours are objective, but it kept 770 00:58:45,159 --> 00:58:51,559 getting darker and darker and darker, and mind you were 771 00:58:51,639 --> 00:58:58,880 using military optics night vision, and you know, we're all 772 00:58:59,039 --> 00:59:02,880 fully trained on how to use this stuff. It's not 773 00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,960 the first time we're using it, so we're used to 774 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,440 walking in the woods basically just looking through one eye 775 00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,840 at this little circle. And you have to get used 776 00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:16,559 to the depth perception through this, because you can't just 777 00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:19,880 look at what It won't adjust to what's close to you, 778 00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,159 and it won't adjust to what's further away from you. 779 00:59:22,199 --> 00:59:24,000 So you have to set it somewhere in the middle, 780 00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,880 and you have to learn how to judge what's right 781 00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,840 next to you and what's further away from you, and 782 00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,719 you eventually get used to it. So that's what we 783 00:59:33,719 --> 00:59:38,119 were doing, and that's how we were moving. But eventually, 784 00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,719 for whatever reason, that night, we started losing so much 785 00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:49,719 light due to the canopy we were on there and 786 00:59:52,119 --> 00:59:55,360 cloud cover, i would say, and it got to the 787 00:59:55,400 --> 01:00:00,480 point where we literally could not see our hands in 788 01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,119 front of our faces. And this is using night vision. 789 01:00:03,199 --> 01:00:08,159 We couldn't see anything. One of my friends actually fell 790 01:00:08,199 --> 01:00:13,840 in the ditch and he couldn't get back up because 791 01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:15,920 of the gear we're caring, he couldn't get a back 792 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:20,079 up by himself, so we had to break protocol and 793 01:00:20,119 --> 01:00:22,440 we turned on white lights to see where he was. 794 01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,760 We picked him up, and at that point our team 795 01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:33,599 leader made the decision to stay put said if we 796 01:00:33,679 --> 01:00:37,679 can't see, then quote unquote, the enemy can't see us either. 797 01:00:38,519 --> 01:00:41,239 So we're just gonna sit here till we get a 798 01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,280 little bit of daylight. Once we have enough light to move, 799 01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:48,280 we're gonna start moving again towards the objective. And the 800 01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:55,559 way we work is we pull guard. You know, people 801 01:00:55,599 --> 01:00:59,559 can sleep, somebody's always pulling guard. Sometimes it's just one guy, 802 01:00:59,599 --> 01:01:04,559 sometimes it's two guys. We simply thought it was just 803 01:01:04,639 --> 01:01:06,280 too dark to move, so it was just going to 804 01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,559 be one person pulling guard. We couldn't see anything, but 805 01:01:09,559 --> 01:01:11,840 at least you can hear something coming towards you or 806 01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:18,880 something like that. So I volunteered. I was going to 807 01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:24,039 be the first watch. And the way we operate we 808 01:01:24,199 --> 01:01:26,719 basically went back to back, so there were four of 809 01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,960 us back to back. We got three hundred and sixty 810 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:38,599 degrees security all around. And I tell you that that 811 01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:43,840 night was the most silent night I've ever heard in 812 01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:49,880 the woods. I mean you, it was so quiet that 813 01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,760 it could almost make up my ears ring. It was 814 01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:58,119 that quiet. And that's really weird, because especially in Louisiana, 815 01:01:58,159 --> 01:02:04,320 you have tons of things from bugs and little craters frogs. 816 01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:10,119 The woods don't go that quiet, and it was pitch 817 01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:18,000 black and absolutely silent, and I just felt like something 818 01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:22,280 was watching me. And when my time was up where 819 01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,320 I could take a break, even if I didn't go 820 01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,079 to sleep, I could just take a break and relax. 821 01:02:26,119 --> 01:02:28,519 And I was supposed to wake up the next eye, 822 01:02:28,719 --> 01:02:35,960 I didn't because I was so uncomfortable that something was 823 01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:44,119 watching me. So finally, as the night wore on and 824 01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,079 started to get into a little bit of a daylight 825 01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:52,679 as morning was coming, I started to shove the team 826 01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:58,960 leader to try to wake him up, and he was 827 01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:04,000 already wake and he said, no, yeah, we can see 828 01:03:04,119 --> 01:03:06,599 we can start getting up and start getting ready. So 829 01:03:06,679 --> 01:03:11,760 we all start getting ready. But as it turns out 830 01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:16,960 later on, as we were talking, nobody slept that night 831 01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:25,239 because everybody had the feeling we were being watched and 832 01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:28,239 we were just on high alert. Now at that time, 833 01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,679 I didn't know anything about Cryptis or anything like that, 834 01:03:32,519 --> 01:03:36,079 so I'm thinking, Okay, you know, Op four is just 835 01:03:36,119 --> 01:03:38,159 sitting out there in the woods and they got an 836 01:03:38,159 --> 01:03:41,000 ambush weight for us, and we're going to lose this mission. 837 01:03:41,079 --> 01:03:48,519 And that's what I was thinking. But all four of 838 01:03:48,599 --> 01:03:51,679 us felt it. All four of us felt that it 839 01:03:51,719 --> 01:03:55,320 was unnatural. All four of us could not fall asleep. 840 01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:59,280 Each and every one of us was just sitting there, 841 01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:07,440 wide awake, just waiting for something to happen. That's the 842 01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,480 only time that's ever happened to me. And we've spent 843 01:04:10,599 --> 01:04:13,719 by the hundreds of hours probably out in the woods training. 844 01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,440 I never thought. I mean, I watched a kyle that 845 01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:23,519 almost walked up on top of us before because he 846 01:04:23,519 --> 01:04:27,360 didn't know we were there, when we were hidden in 847 01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:36,519 our areas. To this day, that remains the weirdest a night, 848 01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:38,840 and I always just put it off too. You know, 849 01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:41,880 Op four was watching us, But it wasn't that. I 850 01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,159 mean that now that I know about all this stuff. 851 01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:49,360 It was so quiet, and it wasn't until daylight started 852 01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:53,239 to finally come that we heard the forest go back 853 01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,800 to life, come back to life, and we started hearing 854 01:04:55,840 --> 01:05:01,599 bugs and stuff like that. Again, I mean, what makes 855 01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:02,920 the whole force go silent? 856 01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:05,599 Speaker 2: You know? 857 01:05:05,679 --> 01:05:12,400 Speaker 1: And and here we are highly trained individuals, dedicated to 858 01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:18,360 our job, and none of us, none of us felt 859 01:05:20,079 --> 01:05:21,440 easy enough to even rest. 860 01:05:21,519 --> 01:05:22,360 Speaker 4: It was just like. 861 01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:28,559 Speaker 1: We were on high alert the whole time we were 862 01:05:28,599 --> 01:05:33,920 sitting down. But the silence again, the silence. I go 863 01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:37,039 back to it because like, I don't know how to 864 01:05:37,039 --> 01:05:43,280 explain that to people that I've never experienced that, but 865 01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,800 being something being so quiet actually almost makes your ears 866 01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:51,599 ringing because it is so quiet, And I've never experienced 867 01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:57,719 that again in my life ever. And I can't tell 868 01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,440 you what was out there. I don't know what was 869 01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:03,039 out there. All I can tell you is how my 870 01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:05,880 body felt is that we were being watched, and apparently 871 01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:09,320 everybody else in our team felt the same way. That 872 01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:13,400 none of us could rest. No, that was my experience, 873 01:06:14,559 --> 01:06:17,239 and since then, now that I've gotten into it, I've 874 01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,960 heard a lot of things about Fort Pogan, where I 875 01:06:21,039 --> 01:06:25,280 was at at Fort Campbell, Bit, a lot of things 876 01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:26,239 seemed to happen there. 877 01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:29,519 Speaker 2: We don't know for sure what it was it caused that, 878 01:06:29,679 --> 01:06:34,159 but we can say definitively something wasn't right about that. 879 01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:38,159 It just doesn't get that dark where military optics refuse 880 01:06:38,239 --> 01:06:40,519 to work at night, and it just never gets that 881 01:06:40,639 --> 01:06:44,599 quiet where it's so quiet it hurts. Again, we don't 882 01:06:44,639 --> 01:06:47,000 know what it was, but we do know that, yeah, 883 01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:50,719 that's not normal. But having said that, we're about out 884 01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,280 of time. Joey before we get out. If you're though, 885 01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,079 do you have any close in comments you'd like to 886 01:06:55,079 --> 01:06:55,519 share with this. 887 01:07:00,159 --> 01:07:02,360 Speaker 1: If I may be so bold as to say this, 888 01:07:02,559 --> 01:07:06,599 I just want to say, you know what, all these 889 01:07:06,599 --> 01:07:12,239 things are out there. We may or may not see them, 890 01:07:12,519 --> 01:07:17,119 they're definitely gonna change your world when you have an 891 01:07:17,159 --> 01:07:18,119 interaction with them. 892 01:07:18,119 --> 01:07:24,599 Speaker 4: And forgive me for saying this, but at the same time, 893 01:07:24,679 --> 01:07:28,159 don't is once you have your faith in the right place. 894 01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:32,119 Speaker 1: We're all appointed to die at some point, and once 895 01:07:32,199 --> 01:07:35,639 you know where you're going, then even if these things 896 01:07:35,679 --> 01:07:39,320 come at you, it is what it is. Doesn't mean 897 01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:44,960 you're not gonna be scared. But when people actually believe 898 01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:48,760 in something, you're willing to die for it, and that 899 01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:51,480 that makes it a little bit more comforting. 900 01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,360 Speaker 2: You're a good man, Joey. I sure hope you never 901 01:07:55,519 --> 01:07:58,920 change is you know, Like I said, your top notch 902 01:07:59,639 --> 01:08:01,559 well have. Having said that, I can't thank you enough 903 01:08:01,599 --> 01:08:04,159 for coming on and sharing the details of those experiences 904 01:08:04,199 --> 01:08:05,719 with us. I really appreciate it. 905 01:08:06,719 --> 01:08:08,599 Speaker 1: Thank you, Vic, Thank you for the time you take 906 01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,119 to listen to all of us, and for everything you're 907 01:08:11,159 --> 01:08:14,159 doing for everybody that runs into these things. 908 01:08:15,079 --> 01:08:17,560 Speaker 2: Well, you know you're welcome. I wouldn't have it any 909 01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:20,920 other way. But having said that, thanks again so much 910 01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:45,199 for your time, and have a great night.