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Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Thank you Vick for having me, Thank you for making
the time to talk to me.
Speaker 2: Well, thanks for being here. We appreciate your time. Joey,
please give us a brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 1: I've basically, I have only done two jobs in my
whole life. I've been in the military and I've done
electrical work, and fortunately that's paid out on both ends
for myself. So that's basically my life, ex military and
simply do electrical work. Married with a sixteen year old
that I no longer know because she's at that point,
but I love her dearly and I'd never thought that
I'd get into all this cryptis stuff. I had curiosity
about it. I've always been curious about things, but it's
very surprising once you realize these things actually do exist
and it's not just stories that you're listening to. So
that's the short and long of it, as far as
my life and now I'm just simply trying to move
on after the experiences that I've had in my life
and what I've recently seen that I'm still processing. I
guess you could say, yeah.
Speaker 2: It's going to take some time. You're going to be
processing it for a while. And it's funny how it
works with this cryptid stuff. You just look around and
you realize you're neck deep in it. Never expected that
to happen. It just happened. Sometimes it's just how it works.
And thank you so much for your service to our country.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Vick that that means a lot coming from you.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that you're a good man. Joey. You
live in a place where there's a history of cryptid encounters.
What more can you tell us about that.
Speaker 1: I've been fascinated for a while with the with the
cryptid stuff due to some other previous experiences. So I
kind of did a little bit of research into Middletown, Maryland,
that's in Frederick County, and I actually found quite a
few reports previously of dogmin sightings in the area. And
this was mostly in the seventies and early eighties. You know, Unfortunately,
it's developed a lot more what I like it to be,
because there's a lot more people moving in now. But
I was actually surprised by that, and part of it,
I think has to do with the original settlers that
moved into that area of Maryland. And again, it was
just a fascination that I had. It wasn't necessarily that
I guess. I have to admit I didn't necessarily believe
it because I still thought it was a you know,
campfire story. So I looked into it and I was fascinated,
and I'm I've heard so many people talk about it
and almost what would it be like to run to
a wherewolf. I know it's not awarewolf, like a person
changing into a wolf type creature, but it always fascinated
me because you know, Native Americans talk about all these entities.
So I just always within myself, I figured there has
to be something to it, and the fact that I
lived in an area where these things are around that
that was fascinating to me. It definitely intrigued me. He's
how I found your pod cast and I kept listening
to it. It's like what I always tell people is like, Okay,
nine and ninety nine people couldn't mind about what about
a subject. But if that one person that gets a
thousand is telling the truth, that changes the paradigm. All
you need is for one person to tell the truth
about what they actually saw. And obviously I'm not saying
that everybody else is a liar. I'm simply saying it
just takes one person. And once you get to that
point of view, it's you know, it's really very hard
to deny the fact that these things actually exist. So
I was surprised, but this is when we moved in there.
That's not what I was looking for. I was just
looking for a stable home for my kid to grow
up in a nice neighborhood with normal people. And then
I find out this is the background. It so certainly
took me by surprise. I enjoyed it because I thought
it was just stories, but that is the background of
the area I live in.
Speaker 2: Sure would be awfully nice if it was just stories,
but as you know, that's not the case from what
you've learned. Have only dogged me inside been reported there
in the Middletown area, or have you heard about other
cryptid sidings being reported there?
Speaker 1: No, they're we are not too far away. From the
Potomac River, and I've actually heard several sightings of sasquatch
in some of the more prominent rivers around there from
people camping and kayaking and stuff like that. So and
those are not from the seventies and eighties but actually
quite recent so apparently they're there's a lot of stuff.
I guess maybe just moving through the area, because you know,
it is getting a lot more populated. But we are
in a valley that's nestled in between the foothills of
the Appalachian Mountains and the Catoctin Mountains. Now, when I
say mountains, obviously the people in the Northwest are going
to lapen me because to them we're just hills. But
for our area, they're the little mountains we have. But
you know, we have a large population of wildlife, from
bears and coyotes and deer, you know, any animal you
can think of, bobcats, you know, we do have all
those animals in the area. It's a not a rare thing, necessarily,
define bears going through our neighborhood. Most of our neighbors
now have the ring cameras, so they'll send out text
messages saying, hey, look there's a bear here. You know,
my daughter's got to walk to the bus stop because
she leaves obviously last, I leave first, her mom, and
that she's got to get herself to the bus. But
those alerts go out, you know, at least several times
during the year before they go to hibernate. So we
don't live in the most rural area, but we definitely
live in an area where there's still a lot of
wildlife that comes through.
Speaker 2: Do you see the idea that so many cryptids are
in your area as a good thing or a bad one?
Considering how interested you are encryptis.
Speaker 1: I would have to say that I don't necessarily enjoy
the idea because of the fact that of how I
see them. And it's one thing to run into a bear,
because most black bears once they see you, they're going
to turn and run. We I've given my daughter some
some mace that she can carry with her to the
bus stop, you know, before school, because some times, especially
in winter, it starts to get dark earlier or light later,
and so I do worry about those things. But it's
not something that is not unnatural. You know that unless
you run into a mom with cubs, then you're gonna
be in trouble. But other than that, most other animals,
even a kyo that gets too friendly, which they don't
around my area because they get taken care of. But
I don't really I'm not afraid of nature. I've never
been that person, and I give my wife and my
daughter the warnings when they need it. But you know,
a cryptid is a that's not a normal thing that
we're supposed to run into. You know, those are supposed
to be fairy tales. Those are the monsters we were
always told don't exist. So to come to groups with
the fact that they do exist, I don't know how
to break that too, especially to my daughter. I don't
know how do I tell her, hey, honey, look, you
might run into a whrewolf at some point in your
life that How do you tell that to your child?
How do you how do you bring that up that
that's one of those things that personally I'm not comfortable with.
I don't I don't know how to handle that part
of it still. You know, it took me enough time
to and like I said, I'm still processing it myself.
So how do I go to my kid now and
tell her the monsters under your bed are real, that
they really are out there, because I don't want to
set her up for failure and tell her, no, honey,
that's just your man, or those are things that don't
exist on it. I want to tell her, like the
same thing that I tell her, you might run into
a bear, go to the school bus, take the mace
with you. You know that's me is just as a
dad hoping, Okay, you never have to use it. You
might run into a kyo. This is how you handle that.
I'm just trying to prepare my kid, you know, to
be successful. How do I tell her, Okay, you might
run into a dog man that I just don't see
how you can prepare anybody for that kind of stuff.
And even me myself that's been involved in the topic
because of my fascination and some of my experiences, if
it still takes me, as an adult time to process it,
how would my kid process that? So I don't I
would say that, No, I'm not. I'm not uncomfortable knowing
that these things are around in such a It is
a rural area, but it's not so rural that we're
in the middle of nowhere. You know, we're twenty minutes
up from a from a decent side little city. Frederick
City is just, you know, little city, not major or
anything like that, but it's still a city. But you know,
outside of our development on either side, we're basically surrounded
by by woods and farms, and I wouldn't think that
these things would find that an ideal environment to be
around it. So it's definitely not something that that I'm
always comfortable with. I leave really early in the mornings
for work. I always think about, okay, am I going
to be the guy that runs, walks out and steps
in between a mother bear and her cubs and gets
moll because that actually happened where I lived before. Somebody
walked out into the driveway and got BALMD because they
walked out in between a mother bear in her cubs.
D n R got involved in everything else. But that's
just the reality of the area I live in, and
I'm okay with that. You know. It's so I let
my dogs out in the morning, make sure that they
clear everything out after that, then you know, that's when
I walk out. But I'm pretty sure that if there's
this ten foot sasquatch or a ten foot dog being outside,
I'm pretty sure my dogs aren't going out to sha
set off and hopefully I can pick on the vibe
and understand. But uh, that's one of those things that
you'd never think you're gonna have to worry about. And
once it does happen, then no, I don't. I don't
feel comfortable. They should be up to Washington County and
British Columbia and the middle of nowhere, not not in Maryland.
Speaker 2: They should be and only be found there. But as
you know, that's not how it is. And yeah, to
nine to nine point nine nine nine percent of the population.
The knowledge that you do have cryptis hanging around that's
not going to give you the warm and fuzzies. So
I get it, I really do. If you've had a
dog mean encounter, I would like to speak with me
about it, whether I'm private or on the show. Please
go to Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report. All right, Joey,
please tell us about your encounter. Now give us everal
last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I live in Frederick, Maryland, but I come
up to Hartford County also a lot, because my sister
is basically my mother's caretaker. My mom's old and she's
got dementia. So my sister retired from a military shoe.
Thankfully she has the ability to take care of my mother,
ain't it. That's a very overwhelming cask at times. So
I come up here a lot, several times a week
to just give her a break, you know. I come
up here after work, and then she can go go
out with a friend, do whatever she needs to do.
And so that's the area where this happened. It's Hardford County.
It's right around the Gunpowder State Park, which has a
lot of tributaries in it. They lead all down to
the Chesapeake Bay. And again, like I said, I leave
early for work, so this area also has a history
of these creatures being here. And sometimes you're leaving in
the morning in the middle. I usually leave by three
twenty reach routeen three twenty. You do think about it
when you walk outside, but it is what it is,
you know. I gotta go to work. And I always thought, well,
if I'm going to see one of these things, it's
going to be at this time when I'm leaving, when
I'm going to work, and I'm driving through these narrow
little roads that are surrounded by woods and creeks running
by and everything else. This is where I'm going to
run into the thing if I see it. But my
experience actually didn't happen like that. My job sometimes requires
me to change schedules, and on this particular time, I
was actually doing a late evening shift into the early morning.
And what happened was I was leaving around three pm
in the afternoon to be able to get down there
by five where the job site was, and I was
pulling out of her development getting onto the road. So
I come to the stop sign and I'm going to
go right to continue to go on about my way.
But when I looked both ways, because obviously I have
to look both ways, on my left hand side, I
saw a movement that caught my eye, and at first
I thought it was a bear. There's black shiny firs
what I thought it was, So I immediately think bear because
I've seen black bears before where I live. So I'm thinking, okay,
that's a bear. Before I get into those details, I
just want to add a little bit more background to
it if I may. The place where I saw this
animal crossing, it's kind of like a narrow strip of
woods that runs in between the houses and developments. And honestly,
I don't know the area well enough to know how
far it goes or where it's coming from. But there's
a lot of deer trails that go through there. And
as a matter of fact, my sister and I were
coming back one day together from the store in amost
hit a deer that ran out in front of us,
and there was like a hole heard a deer coming across.
So it's a very well traveled corridor in between the
homes that are here. So I just want to establish
that that it's a known wildlife corridor. So I look
left and I see this thing going across, like I said,
and I'm thinking, hits a bear. But it was not
a bear. I once I actually looked at it and
stared at it, I realized very quickly it was not
a bear. It was a canine. It was a dog.
And there's nothing surprising about seeing a dog crossing a road.
You might feel sorry for it if it's astray, but
inherently there's nothing strange about seeing a dog going across
the road. But it definitely caught my attention and I
focused on it. I looked at it, and it grabbed
my curiosity enough that I actually turned left instead, and
it went up there to see if I could see
it again. I couldn't. It had crossed the road and
it was gone. I continued on to work, but I
couldn't get it out of my mind, and it kept
bugging me and bugging me. Then I was asking myself,
why is this bothering you so much? And this is
where I'm going to tell your listeners a little bit
more about myself. Maybe I should have said this earlier.
I have been in the military. I have been trained
in observation because of the skill set that was required
for my job. So I can at times notice a
lot of things that other people won't notice. Very quickly,
you could say, and it just gets imprinted and then
I can process it. And that's exactly what I started
to do. I have a background also with working with rescues.
The predominant breed I work with is German shepherds. I've
been around Ruttweilers, I've been around great things, great Pyrenees.
I've seen a lot of large, powerful dogs, a couple
of king Corsos, So I have a lot of experience.
Also because I started working with rescues when I was
in my twenties. I'm now almost fifty to forty nine,
so I have a lot of experience also with dogs.
I currently have dogs. The young male I have is
one hundred pound German Shepherd. Because of this incident, I
actually went home and measured him. He's twenty four inches
at the shoulder without the head. From the shoulders to
the back, without the tail, he's thirty inches. The head's
about with this mount's about almost fourteen inches because he's
German blood working line, so they breed for a bigger
head because they're made for police work. And estimating the
distance was right around three hundred meters to where I
saw this dog, maybe less. I mean, I could be
off on that. I haven't measured that, but I did
measure the road. I went out there with the tape
measure and I measured the road. It's twenty feet across.
It's only a two lane road twenty feet across. And
all this is going to come into place once I
get it all out. Like I said, it happened recently,
so I'm still trying to process everything now. So I
measured the dog, I measured the road, and I continue
to process this information. The animal I saw crossing the
road at that distance, because I've seen my dog when
he's one hundred yards away from me or more, he
looks tiny. He looks tiny at that distance, and maybe
maybe I should go back and measure because three hundred
meters sounds maybe longer than than what it is. Maybe
it was two hundred meters. Like I said, I'm still
in the middle of processing all this, but the point
being is that whether it was one hundred, two hundred,
three hundred meters, I know what my dog looks like
at that distance, and at that distance, my dog would
look tiny. And he's a big one hundred pound German Shepherd.
When he puts his head up, the dog is pretty
pretty big. That dog dwarfed him. That dog absolutely dwarfed
my dog. And I think that's why my subconscious could
not get over it. It kept going back and back
through my head because to me, when I first looked
at it, okay, it's not a bear, it's a dog.
But then I kept thinking about it, and it's like,
there's no dog that should be that big at that
distance that I saw it at. And at one point
I was listening to an eyewitnessed you previously had before
with a dog man encounter in Maryland, just maybe twenty
miles south of here. And what got me about it
she actually saw it standing up with two legs. It
was completely white, and they actually locked eyes and looked
at each other. But the one thing that she the
one detail she described so well was the tail. She said,
I had a bushy tail, and she described it, and
I thought about it. It's like, that's exactly what I saw.
It was the same tail where the tail was bushy,
but not like a bushy dog or even my German
shepherd has longer hairs towards the end of the tail.
But the way she described it, from the bottom, like
close to the body, you could see it had longer hair.
But as it went further down the tail it got
longer and longer and longer till it became bushy. And
that's what I saw crossing the road. And again I
didn't get to see the head. I saw it from
the shoulder's back. But then I realized that because of
the curve of the road in the trees, I didn't
get to see the head. But that animal was taking
up almost half the road, and half the road should
be ten feet. I'm not saying that this animal was
ten feet long from the shoulder to its rear. I'm
not saying that clean almost, But even if it's almost,
I can compare it to my dog that I literally
measured thirty inches from the shoulder to its rear. Other
bigger dogs, even great Danes and stuff like that. Maybe
I'll give you another foot, maybe you'll be forty fifty
inches right, that's still on their five feet and for
half of the road, which is ten feet. How does
an animal get that close, because now you're pushing anywhere
from six seven eight feet. I've never seen a dog
that large and at that distance. That if that dog
was probably two to three times the height of my dog.
Even Irish house Wolfhounse don't get that big. I've never
seen or heard of a dog that's what six feet
at the shoulder. Maybe somebody can correct me, but I've
never heard of an animal of a dog that tall
in that long. And because it was afternoon, I never
it never hit me. Okay, this might be this, or
this might be that I just saw it, looked at it,
I went there to look for it again. Wasn't there
caught my interest that much that.
Speaker 3: I detoured and went to look for it when I
was on my little work, But at that time, I
don't think I really processed it.
Speaker 1: Took me quite a while just to think about it
and say, what exactly was that, because that's not natural
and that's basically what I saw. That that was my
roadside crossing. And I'm not going to sit here and
tell you, yes, Vick, it was a dog man. But
I sus an unusually large canine crossing the road. And
I've seen bears running across the highway before, all out,
just bolting across the road, and I always think, oh,
that's so cool. And I got to see a bear today.
I've seen kyotes starting in front. Awesome. I got to
see a kyote. They're so cool. But I don't dwell
on it. I don't think about it weeks later. I
don't keep going back to that. I just think that
was a really nice moment. That was a cool memory.
I got to see one that was really cool. This thing,
for whatever reason, is just simply taking up too much
space in my head. Maybe people may not believe me,
but what I saw to me was not natural, and
like I said, maybe it was just a roadside crossing.
And I can't even tell you that it was it.
I didn't see it on running across on two legs.
I didn't see that it was transparent or anything like that.
I just saw a really unusually large dog running across
the road.
Speaker 2: I really like the fact. I respect the fact that
you're not telling us what it was that you saw.
You're just telling us what you saw. And when I
listened to the details, I can't see how it could
have been anything but a dog man because nothing else
fits that description. So it's pretty cut and dry to
me on that. Before I start asking you questions about
your encounter there, Joey, I want to touch on something.
The eyewitness that you just mentioned who saw that big
white dog man across the road from her apartment. That
was Mindy. Mindy was featured on episode five eighty seven
and it was titled please don't come in. Well less
than a week ago, I think less than five days ago,
Mindy had another dog mean encounter with that same big
white dog men. It was behind her apartment building, and
this time her boyfriend saw it, so I spoke with her.
I think it was either yesterday or the day before,
but they're both doing fine. But since her boyfriend was
able to see it with her. I think that really
did help her quite a bit, and thank goodness for that.
You might hear come back on the show to update
this on that encounter. You might not, But as far
as her whole Dogman situation goes, it sounds to me
like she's in a pretty good place. And as long
as we can say that, then that's a great thing.
Speaker 1: It is. I'm glad she's in a she's in a
much better position with her boyfriend being able to see
it too, because I know she had a very difficult
time with her first experience.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, and understandably so you see something like that,
and especially when it did what it did after she
went into her apartment, it's understandable how that's going to
affect her the way it did. When you've reflected on
seeing that dog Me and Joey, have you ever wanted
to kick yourself for trying to get a better look
at it instead of just driving away immediately?
Speaker 1: Not necessarily, because truly, at that moment, I really did
not understand what I was seeing. I was simply curious,
and that that's just part of my personality is I
just wanted to make sure what I saw and to
confirm or you know, debunk, I guess, for lack of
a better word, what I had actually seen, because something
inside of me told me that there was something off
on that And maybe I didn't acknowledge it consciously, but
I knew there was something off, and that's the reason
why I detoured and went to see if I could
still catch a glimpse of it.
Speaker 2: I can understand why you decided to go and try
to get a better look. I mean, you were in
your vehicle, after all, and that's going to make you
feel safer than you actually are. But it's understandable that
you felt safe enough because of that to try to,
like I said, take a second look. So I get it.
I know that you're definitely into sasquatch before you had
that dog meaning encounter, But did dog men not move
the needle for you before you actually saw that one?
Speaker 1: Being completely honest, I think that. And I know this
sounds silly when you get into it, but sasquatch is
a much easier concept to wrap your mind around instead
of a instead of a werewolf. Yes, I know it's
not aware, but just for the sake of it, instead
of wrapping your mind around a whrewof that just simply
puts it a little bit more out there. And again,
I'm not denying the fact that they've been seen for
hundreds and thousands of years, even back to the Egyptians,
you know, But I think your mind just takes it
like a story until you see something that really adds
a little bit more truth to it in your world.
Speaker 3: And then.
Speaker 1: I mean, I look at it this way. I've listened
to your podcast forever. I believe the people that have
come on to your show and have told their encounters.
I one believe them. But even with that knowledge, I'm
not gonna lie to you. It kind of destabilizes you
a little bit to truly truly know that something like
that maybe out there. It's there's something much more unsettling
about that than a giant ape in the woods, which
I don't think that's say what it is, but that's
another story. But uh, I don't want to run into
a werewolf that's standing on its hind likes. I don't
want to run into that thing. And I do think
about that sometimes once when I'm walking out into the
darkness to get to my car whatever. And that's something
that has been brought in front of my face now
with clear reality, and the thing about it because I
didn't see it in the middle of the night, I
wasn't coming home late, I wasn't doing it was in
broad daylight, in between houses. Like the freaking thing just
owned the world. That that's the part that I think
that bothers me a little bit more sometimes because again
I'm not going to tell you that it was, But
if it was, this thing's just going on about its
business and they could care less about who's easier or
what they think about it. It's just doing its own thing,
and that, I think at times makes it a little
bit more discomforting then say a sasquatch. At least they
apparently for the most part, either keep it to the
night or try to remain unseen. This thing just seems
like it thinks it owns the world, and only something
that's very powerful and confident acts in that manner, And
I guess that makes me a little bit more uneasy
about about that fact.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot easier to buy into the fact
that sasquatch are definitely out there than dogmen. But as
hard as it might be to believe dogmen are definitely
out there too. It's hard to explain, but that doesn't
change the fact they're out there. So that's all there
is to that. You've got some formidable dogs living with you.
How much faith do you have in their ability to
protect you from that dog man if it decides to
pay you a visit some time?
Speaker 1: Truthfully, as you and I have spoken previously privately, I
have enough military training to react to a dangerous situation.
My dogs are trained in protection. As they have spoken
with you previously as well, I don't think my dogs
would stand a chance against an animal that large, and
I don't even know if I have a caliber powerful enough.
I mean, that's debatable, but I would not let my
dogs go after something like that. I would immediately recall it.
And from even their previous encounters with what we think
was a sasquatch, they know better than to challenge something
like that. I know my dogs wouldn't stand a chance
against it, but truthfully, I think that they they would
not even challenge something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they wouldn't stand a chance. Like you said, I
know you've got that big male of Doug Argentino, but yeah,
even a dog like that wouldn't stand a chance, he
wouldn't even be a speed bomb. So hopefully that old
boy is never going to pay you a visit, so
that never even is a factor. In our first conversation,
I asked if you're traumatized, and you told me that
you weren't. But you also, in that same conversation told
me that there are several things that you used to
do in the woods without a second care or thought
that you can't do now. And if that's the case,
why the change in your comfort level in the woods,
if you aren't traumatized.
Speaker 1: Well, you definitely called me out on that, and I
would have to agree with you on that that I've
heard you say so many times. You don't know how
many times these things have seen you. And I've even
spoke to you about previous experiences where I think maybe
there was something around because of how the atmosphere changed.
But you know when they say ignorance is bliss, Like,
if you don't know that these things are out there
and you just hear stories, it's a lot easier to
go on about your business and live your life. Once
you realize these things are truly out there and you
start you actually have sightings. I mean, if they wanted
to kill us, they would have been killing tons of
people by now, and there's pretty much nothing anybody could
do about it, and unless we start sending military teams
in to kill them, which frankly, I have heard stories
about that kind of stuff happening, but that's besides the point.
But truthfully, I mean, just somebody hiking through the woods
with their dog. No, you can't do anything about it.
And despite my training it maybe it's not even so
much that I think physically that they're going to attack
me and do something to me. Maybe it's just my
own mind trying to wrap itself around this whole concept.
Is I don't want to run into where in the woods.
I don't want to run into a ten foot fall
foot darn giant carry giant in the woods. It just,
even if I know it's there, even if I know
it's real, I don't want to run into it. It's
the same way, you know, well, maybe not the same way,
but when people go hiking where grizzly bears are present,
that's the last thing you want to run into. You
don't want to run into a massive grizzly bear, especially
an angry one. You don't want to, But even a
grizzly bear does not. It doesn't bring the kind of
fear that these things do. It's a very unnatural sensation
you get around them with both sasquatch and dog. It
goes back to what I've said before. I don't think
that these creatures are simply flesh and blood. I think
there's a lot more to it than that. I personally,
in my humble opinion, I think that there's a spiritual
aspect to it. And I'm not going to make your
podcast a religious thing, but there's a there's something unnatural
about it, and your body just just tells you that immediately.
It just just gives you those vibes. I mean, like
I said, I've seen bears. I've run into bears before
when I was hunting. I had a bear come charging
out of some bushes one time when I was bow
hunting with a friend of mine in George. And it
scares you. It scares you. I was bow hunting, but
I had a handgun with me. I pulled it thinking
we were getting you know, we were about to get mauled.
But the barriages ran down the hill and minded its
own business. But it scared scared us but my hair
didn't go up. I didn't, I didn't have anything, you know,
it just I guess we could say it startled us.
But these things put a primal fear into you that
that's not natural, that the way they make you feel
is not natural for for even normal fear. It goes
beyond the fight or flight mode. It goes into something
where I don't even know how to explain that. It's
they're not normal.
Speaker 2: It's hard to explain. But I know exactly what you mean,
I really do. Yeah, there's definitely something extra special about
these guys. You can't just explain them away by saying
that they're all flesh and blood creatures that are just
out there trying to scratch out a living. Some of
them might be, but yeah, there are definitely some dog
me that do things that are so far above and
beyond that they've got to be something else. You just
touched on this. You're a man of strong faith. Did
seeing that dog men have an effect on your relationship
with God?
Speaker 1: Absolutely not, not in the sense that it's going to
shake my faith or anything like that. I think it
strengthen my faith Because a lot of people take scripture
for for just a set of rules. They show up
to church, they sit, they stand up, they sing, they listen,
then they go back to their lives and they're just
going about their business like wait until the next weekend.
But when you actually read scripture, there's so many supernatural
things in Scripture to begin with, and it touches on
so many things that we're created that are not natural,
so many beings that exist that are not natural. So
for me, it just emphasizes that it's actually the truth,
and it's talking about these things openly and expressing it openly.
Most people ignore that, but as far as my faith,
it just gets stronger in that sense in my beliefs. Yes,
as a human being, I do feel fear. I do
get scared, but at the very end of the day,
I know who's got my back, and I mean, I've
been to war and I came back and I believe
that that's on my mom's prayers. And you know, as
Scripture says, every man is impointed to die at some point,
So I don't necessarily fear death. It's it's going to
happen to all of us. That's just a fact. I
don't feel that it affected my faith. I think it's
strengthened my faith. Its strengthened my beliefs and what's in scripture,
and I know these things are out there, and that's
why I believe that they are not natural beings because
like I said, I don't start preaching on your podcast.
But now it strengthened my faith because it allows me
to see all the things that it talks about, that
they are out there, They're real. And by no means
do I want to face it. But if I have
to face it, I'm not afraid in the sense that
if it's going to take my life, I know where
I'm going when I die, so I don't fear it
in that sense. Do I want to die at a tense?
Absolutely not obviously, But as far as faith goes, if
that's what it has to be, then it has to
be none. If that answers that question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that does. And you're a good man for feeling
that way. You've had other pure normal experiences besides your
dog mean encounter. Have you ever played with a Ouiji board?
Speaker 1: Not on purpose? When I was a kid in third grade,
when it was when it would rain that they would
bring out all the board games and I remembered one
of those was it was a Ouiji board, and I
remember playing with it with some of the other little
kids in the in the classroom, and I didn't know
what it was. I just you know, when you're a
little kid at that age, you just think it's a game,
and I remember messing with it. I'm not going to
tell you that I felt the little piece move or
anything like that, because we truly were just innocent little
kids thinking we were playing a game. I didn't understand it.
I didn't know what it was for. I just thought
it was another board game that they would give us
at Resus when it was raining outside. So that's a
realization actually that recently, just recently came to me, is that, yeah,
I had actually been around that. You know, who knows.
Maybe that's what opened the door somewhere to allow me
to see all the things I've seen in my life
because I've lived a very paranormal life.
Speaker 2: You could say, yeah, just might have opened the door. Unfortunately,
thickening the plot further, when you were a kid, you
had a profound Bigfoot sighting. You came on Bigfoot. I
witnessed episode five point thirteen actually, and you spoke with
me about that encounter. I'm wondering, though, how would you
compare in contrast what it was like to have that
sasquatch encounter compared to the one you had with the dog.
Speaker 1: Man the sasquatch. If that's truly what it was that
I saw was I still think it was a baby
because of how little it was, and being twelve years
old at that time. By myself, I liken it to
just two little kids running into each other in the woods.
And it almost seemed to have as much curiosity about
me because it was just looking at me when I
turned around and saw it, and that's all I was
was curious about it too. I didn't have any sense
of dread. I didn't feel anything. I didn't think about
any It was just a curious little animal in the
woods that I hadn't seen before. Whereas this thing all
I saw was running across the road and I couldn't
let it go. When I went home after seeing that,
my brother said, oh, it was probably just a big score,
and I let it go. It didn't take up any
space in my thoughts. I'm like, whatever, it was still
in the back of my head, but I left it there.
This thing since I saw it a couple of months ago,
still keeps coming back, and now I think, when I'm
going out to my car, I'm I going to see
it again. Is it going to be there? Is it
going to be standing on two legs this time? So
it's been drastically different from my siding when I was
a kid to seeing this, and this thing just left
every feeling of something being wrong with me.
Speaker 2: Well it goes with that saying, I sure hope you
never do see that dog man again. I really hope
you never do. Have you made that drive again, the
drive where you saw the dog man once the encounter happened.
Speaker 1: I have, Like I said, I mean, it's it's literally
in my sister's development. And since I come up here
several times a week, I have been through there, I've
driven through it. I don't I don't know if I
don't think about it, but it's, uh, I'm kind of
hoping on the odds. What are the odds I don't
want to see something like that.
Speaker 2: You know, good way to look at it, whatever it
takes to comfort yourself exactly.
Speaker 1: But you know, I gotta do what I gotta do,
whether it's there or not. I mean, I can't stop
living my life. I may not go hunting as deep
as I used to, I may not go fishing in
the rural areas I used to anymore, But uh, I
still got to live my life, even if it makes
me uncomfort ble of times.
Speaker 2: It's good you understand that. Yeah, life does go on,
and I know that. Yeah you saw it in her development,
but that doesn't preclude the chance you might have decided
to just start going a different way. So I wasn't
really sure. There are things you don't do in the
woods anymore. And with that in mind, I thought, Okay,
if it's moved the needle that much, maybe he goes
a different way in he hasn't been that same way
since that encounter.
Speaker 1: They do bother It does bother me. Those things do
bother me. But again I go back to That's where
I go back to my faith. It is what it is,
and nothing will happen without his permission to begin with.
So if it's my time, it's my time, and I
can't do anything about it. And if my time comes,
I'm simply going home. And that's the way I look
at it.
Speaker 2: I like the way you think, I really you you
participated in an exercise at Fort Polk where you had
an interesting experience one night. Please expand on that.
Speaker 1: For us, certainly, what we do, what all units do
before they deployed, They go to most units go to
Fort Poke where they have a designated area where you
basically practice out the missions depending on what your job is,
and you go through these exercises with people that basically
grade you. They're watching you, they know everything you're doing,
so you get these quote unquote missions that you have
to do. For my particular job, we were assigned to
overwatch a bridge and there was only four of us
being sent out on the team. We were supposed to
get there before daylight. We were there to quote unquote
stop the bad guys from blowing up the bridge. So
we had to pick an area that we could overwatch
the whole bridge and intercept and stop that if they
did show up. We left at night because that's when
we always operated, and we worked to night. We were
moving through the woods. Tours are objective, but it kept
getting darker and darker and darker, and mind you were
using military optics night vision, and you know, we're all
fully trained on how to use this stuff. It's not
the first time we're using it, so we're used to
walking in the woods basically just looking through one eye
at this little circle. And you have to get used
to the depth perception through this, because you can't just
look at what It won't adjust to what's close to you,
and it won't adjust to what's further away from you.
So you have to set it somewhere in the middle,
and you have to learn how to judge what's right
next to you and what's further away from you, and
you eventually get used to it. So that's what we
were doing, and that's how we were moving. But eventually,
for whatever reason, that night, we started losing so much
light due to the canopy we were on there and
cloud cover, i would say, and it got to the
point where we literally could not see our hands in
front of our faces. And this is using night vision.
We couldn't see anything. One of my friends actually fell
in the ditch and he couldn't get back up because
of the gear we're caring, he couldn't get a back
up by himself, so we had to break protocol and
we turned on white lights to see where he was.
We picked him up, and at that point our team
leader made the decision to stay put said if we
can't see, then quote unquote, the enemy can't see us either.
So we're just gonna sit here till we get a
little bit of daylight. Once we have enough light to move,
we're gonna start moving again towards the objective. And the
way we work is we pull guard. You know, people
can sleep, somebody's always pulling guard. Sometimes it's just one guy,
sometimes it's two guys. We simply thought it was just
too dark to move, so it was just going to
be one person pulling guard. We couldn't see anything, but
at least you can hear something coming towards you or
something like that. So I volunteered. I was going to
be the first watch. And the way we operate we
basically went back to back, so there were four of
us back to back. We got three hundred and sixty
degrees security all around. And I tell you that that
night was the most silent night I've ever heard in
the woods. I mean you, it was so quiet that
it could almost make up my ears ring. It was
that quiet. And that's really weird, because especially in Louisiana,
you have tons of things from bugs and little craters frogs.
The woods don't go that quiet, and it was pitch
black and absolutely silent, and I just felt like something
was watching me. And when my time was up where
I could take a break, even if I didn't go
to sleep, I could just take a break and relax.
And I was supposed to wake up the next eye,
I didn't because I was so uncomfortable that something was
watching me. So finally, as the night wore on and
started to get into a little bit of a daylight
as morning was coming, I started to shove the team
leader to try to wake him up, and he was
already wake and he said, no, yeah, we can see
we can start getting up and start getting ready. So
we all start getting ready. But as it turns out
later on, as we were talking, nobody slept that night
because everybody had the feeling we were being watched and
we were just on high alert. Now at that time,
I didn't know anything about Cryptis or anything like that,
so I'm thinking, Okay, you know, Op four is just
sitting out there in the woods and they got an
ambush weight for us, and we're going to lose this mission.
And that's what I was thinking. But all four of
us felt it. All four of us felt that it
was unnatural. All four of us could not fall asleep.
Each and every one of us was just sitting there,
wide awake, just waiting for something to happen. That's the
only time that's ever happened to me. And we've spent
by the hundreds of hours probably out in the woods training.
I never thought. I mean, I watched a kyle that
almost walked up on top of us before because he
didn't know we were there, when we were hidden in
our areas. To this day, that remains the weirdest a night,
and I always just put it off too. You know,
Op four was watching us, But it wasn't that. I
mean that now that I know about all this stuff.
It was so quiet, and it wasn't until daylight started
to finally come that we heard the forest go back
to life, come back to life, and we started hearing
bugs and stuff like that. Again, I mean, what makes
the whole force go silent?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: And and here we are highly trained individuals, dedicated to
our job, and none of us, none of us felt
easy enough to even rest.
Speaker 4: It was just like.
Speaker 1: We were on high alert the whole time we were
sitting down. But the silence again, the silence. I go
back to it because like, I don't know how to
explain that to people that I've never experienced that, but
being something being so quiet actually almost makes your ears
ringing because it is so quiet, And I've never experienced
that again in my life ever. And I can't tell
you what was out there. I don't know what was
out there. All I can tell you is how my
body felt is that we were being watched, and apparently
everybody else in our team felt the same way. That
none of us could rest. No, that was my experience,
and since then, now that I've gotten into it, I've
heard a lot of things about Fort Pogan, where I
was at at Fort Campbell, Bit, a lot of things
seemed to happen there.
Speaker 2: We don't know for sure what it was it caused that,
but we can say definitively something wasn't right about that.
It just doesn't get that dark where military optics refuse
to work at night, and it just never gets that
quiet where it's so quiet it hurts. Again, we don't
know what it was, but we do know that, yeah,
that's not normal. But having said that, we're about out
of time. Joey before we get out. If you're though,
do you have any close in comments you'd like to
share with this.
Speaker 1: If I may be so bold as to say this,
I just want to say, you know what, all these
things are out there. We may or may not see them,
they're definitely gonna change your world when you have an
interaction with them.
Speaker 4: And forgive me for saying this, but at the same time,
don't is once you have your faith in the right place.
Speaker 1: We're all appointed to die at some point, and once
you know where you're going, then even if these things
come at you, it is what it is. Doesn't mean
you're not gonna be scared. But when people actually believe
in something, you're willing to die for it, and that
that makes it a little bit more comforting.
Speaker 2: You're a good man, Joey. I sure hope you never
change is you know, Like I said, your top notch
well have. Having said that, I can't thank you enough
for coming on and sharing the details of those experiences
with us. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Vic, Thank you for the time you take
to listen to all of us, and for everything you're
doing for everybody that runs into these things.
Speaker 2: Well, you know you're welcome. I wouldn't have it any
other way. But having said that, thanks again so much
for your time, and have a great night.