Speaker 1: He'll be like, A, don't be bad, it's the Internet.
Speaker 1: You're busy. Let's do this for January eighth, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: For the next hour or so, let me help you
Speaker 1: sort through the world of gaming on Game Mess Morning's
Speaker 1: Live with Me Jeff Grubb. Today, the switch to gets revealed,
Speaker 1: but not by Nintendo, and one of the best games
Speaker 1: on Xbox three sixty could be getting a big upgrade soon.
Speaker 1: But first, please join me and welcome me today's co
Speaker 1: host the Game Mess Mornings. It's Sean Turbo, Sean mcdal Sean,
Speaker 1: how are you doing?
Speaker 2: Ah? For once good Jeff, rested, well refreshed after that
Speaker 2: nice long holiday break we had.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I made the mistake of just going with God
Speaker 1: on the break and doing what my body wanted to do,
Speaker 1: which is always a poor choice every time. Never worked
Speaker 1: out good, imis.
Speaker 2: We'll get to that.
Speaker 1: I am now recovered from Let's night where I actually
Speaker 1: did decide to just go to sleep after the podcast
Speaker 1: for the most part, after a lesson and ten dogs
Speaker 1: with mikey Uh, a little bit of Marvel Rivals, yes,
Speaker 1: a good amount, thankfully. Like Chris came in. Chrisnai came in.
Speaker 1: He was like, just just a couple of games. We
Speaker 1: can always rely on him to be like, I'm tired,
Speaker 1: I want to go to bed. So yeah, we ended
Speaker 1: up pretty quickly and actually it's computer crash and he
Speaker 1: didn't want to give back in so that was it,
Speaker 1: and uh, I went to bed, and I'm feeling pretty
Speaker 1: good now. I wanted to My plan was to go
Speaker 1: out and walk in the woods, but it's too cold.
Speaker 1: It's just too.
Speaker 2: Cold, to freaking cold cold. Is it for you today?
Speaker 1: I think we are in real feel. It's in the
Speaker 1: single digits fairrenheight.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's we're eleven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is that eleven with the real feel or like eleven?
Speaker 2: Like yes, fifteen feels like eleven exactly.
Speaker 1: Yes. So I was like, oh, this is painful, this
Speaker 1: is hurting me. I'm like, I just want to get
Speaker 1: some sun, some fresh air.
Speaker 2: I remember when I was describing Wisconsin winter to Christian
Speaker 2: for the first time and I gave him the temperature.
Speaker 2: He's like, what's that in Celsia? I said, I converted
Speaker 2: to him. He's like, I can't be right.
Speaker 1: You like what it's like on Mars.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, no, just five layers, baby, that's what
Speaker 2: you do.
Speaker 1: Yep, absolutely, all right, yeah, so how was your break?
Speaker 2: It was very good. Actually played some video games for once, right, Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: I actually had the time to catch ups on some
Speaker 2: stuff I played. Actually got all the way through Shadow Generations.
Speaker 2: That was like one of the big ones I've been
Speaker 2: wanting to start and didn't get around to, which is
Speaker 2: very good. I wouldn't say it's as amazing as some
Speaker 2: people are making out to be, even the song fans,
Speaker 2: but it's kind of just more Song Generations.
Speaker 1: It means it's solid at least, right, Like you don't
Speaker 1: have a ton of complaints.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like Song Generations, there's too much fluff.
Speaker 2: Like if it was just it's like a two hour
Speaker 2: roller coaster, it would be like a very fun game.
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of like the the Hub world
Speaker 2: stuff they get do and everything, and it bogs things
Speaker 2: down a little bit, but generally very fun. I was
Speaker 2: in a Sonic mood though, so I played some of
Speaker 2: the classic games and I still maintained Sonic in three
Speaker 2: D has often not been good. Adventure one and two
Speaker 2: are still very rough games, but as something we can't
Speaker 2: agree on, Song and two D very good. So I
Speaker 2: fired up some Song three and Knuckles and that was
Speaker 2: just a fun time, because that's just a good time. Yes,
Speaker 2: good classic gaming right there. I thought about fireing on
Speaker 2: Mania right after that, obviously the best Sonic game far.
Speaker 2: I actually was in the mood for something else that's
Speaker 2: bound my backlog because of show Generations and fired up
Speaker 2: song Frontiers, which I've actually never played before. Oh really, okay,
Speaker 2: boy actually feels good to play.
Speaker 1: Oh wow? Really?
Speaker 2: Yeah, song Frontiers is like because it's open world. Is
Speaker 2: just having a fast character run around an open world
Speaker 2: is the best he's like ever felt because he actually
Speaker 2: has the space to move around.
Speaker 1: I agree. I think their complaints for that game are
Speaker 1: mostly like, I think they're fair that when you are
Speaker 1: like looking at what's happening on the screen, it can
Speaker 1: feel like you're watching a YouTube video that says Sonic
Speaker 1: three D in unreal engine, like a fan made sort
Speaker 1: of thing, And I get that. I just don't care
Speaker 1: at all, because exactly, I think it feels fun to play.
Speaker 2: It feels good. The bosses are a little jank, I know,
Speaker 2: switch it's a song team game. Of course there's Jenk
Speaker 2: in it.
Speaker 1: But feeling together, all that stuff's true.
Speaker 2: It feels good to run around a Sonic and then
Speaker 2: if you get good at the parkour like straying together,
Speaker 2: grinding on rails and like bounce all over the place
Speaker 2: and stuff. It's been very fun so far.
Speaker 1: So it's been those games that my kids put on
Speaker 1: every once in a while to play and they just like,
Speaker 1: you know, fruiting around having a good time. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not really playing it to play it. They're just
Speaker 1: playing it to have Sonic do cool stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And you know that's what I'm in the
Speaker 2: mood for, especially because Indy's really not hidden with me.
Speaker 1: Jeff, Yeah, I'm honestly, I'm surprised more people aren't in
Speaker 1: the boat that you're in because I was expecting. I
Speaker 1: was expecting it to be way more divisive than it
Speaker 1: turned out to be, because I'm like, I think some
Speaker 1: people are going to be straight up bored by some
Speaker 1: of these things, and I think that's where you ended up.
Speaker 2: That's where I'm I'm in Giza right now. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: try at least one more session because I think is
Speaker 2: it like after Giza is where you said, I guess
Speaker 2: you could just rush.
Speaker 1: Through Giza and do the set piece after Giza, between
Speaker 1: the Giza in the final thing, I think that would
Speaker 1: like be a good place still if you want to
Speaker 1: abandon that point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, that's good note because yeah, like I
Speaker 2: was not feeling the Vatican at all. I was very
Speaker 2: bored there. But then everything surrounding, like the blimp was
Speaker 2: like awesome, yes, and then.
Speaker 1: The next one is like even better than that, So yes.
Speaker 2: Okay, so so yeah, maybe I'll do that. Yeah, oh,
Speaker 2: don't worry, my healer, I have been mainlining, don't don't
Speaker 2: you worry there. So maybe I'll get.
Speaker 1: The costume in Giza to like make things a little
Speaker 1: bit easier.
Speaker 2: I'm fairly early on side.
Speaker 1: Okay, just do the boxing thing. If you do the
Speaker 1: boxing boxing, okay, you don't even have to do the
Speaker 1: whole thing, just it'll they'll tell you where to get
Speaker 1: the outfits.
Speaker 2: So do you have to do the combat in the
Speaker 2: game for no?
Speaker 1: No, I mean you'll have okay, give to kill one
Speaker 1: Nazi pretty much to get Okay, okay, I'll do that.
Speaker 2: I'll do that, okay, because I don't like the convent
Speaker 2: in those.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, uh, I mean when you say the
Speaker 1: combat are like because are you shooting or you're like, no.
Speaker 2: The punching, it's just smash our t And I'm just I.
Speaker 1: Think you got the combat need for that game to
Speaker 1: be fun needs to be. I am picking up something
Speaker 1: big and stupid and hitting a Nazi over the head
Speaker 1: with it without him making that's.
Speaker 2: The stealth is a lot more fun. Yes, that's strategically
Speaker 2: taken because it's you know, it is more of an
Speaker 2: MM that is an uncharted I think that's where excels
Speaker 2: and you are like, you get into a game, you're sorry.
Speaker 2: You get into a room and you're like, how can
Speaker 2: I take these guys down without learning anyone? And when
Speaker 2: you just slowly take them all out, that's very fun.
Speaker 2: But I also haven't been given too many opportunities to
Speaker 2: actually do that. Yeah, but like in the Catacombs, for example,
Speaker 2: how a law of fun just like slowly sneaking up
Speaker 2: on everyone just taking them out web pipe or something
Speaker 2: that that was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, I ended up really liking the game, but
Speaker 1: it was a rough start for me, and not, like
Speaker 1: I said, just surprised more people aren't coming out of
Speaker 1: being like I think this is boring, You're not doing
Speaker 1: much or when you are doing much going back and forth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want people to be down on the game,
Speaker 2: but it does feel like a game that is so
Speaker 2: different than what people would expect that yeah, you're you're.
Speaker 2: I'm a little surprised, but I hate good for a
Speaker 2: studio that people are in love with it because it
Speaker 2: is a very good, like interactive indie experience, I think
Speaker 2: is what Backlar sends lack and I'm like, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: that's right, because this game looks amazing. It looks absolutely fantastic,
Speaker 2: and yeah, maybe I'll enjoy it a little bit more.
Speaker 2: It was just like more of a movie. But we'll see.
Speaker 2: We'll see where in next level.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, so goes. I think it just speaks
Speaker 1: to the studio being able to get people into what
Speaker 1: they want people to be getting into in their game,
Speaker 1: and I think that is a difficult thing to pull off.
Speaker 1: And I think that's why there's fewer complaints than I
Speaker 1: was expecting.
Speaker 2: Because it's machine games. I would have expected it to
Speaker 2: be even more in the uncharged realm because they've done
Speaker 2: shooters for so long. But uh, if this is a
Speaker 2: game they wanted to make, hey, props to them. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 2: it's certainly more accurate to Indiana Jones. Then then I'm chared. Actually,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, right absolutely.
Speaker 1: All right, let's explain what we do here most weekdays, I,
Speaker 1: Jeff Greb, will help piece your gaming life back together.
Speaker 1: That includes breaking news and maybe even some of our
Speaker 1: own original reporting. For all these topics, I'll get the
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Speaker 1: All right, we have a lot to get into, so
Speaker 1: let's start the morning mess with a Nintendo Switch to
Speaker 1: replica is being showcased behind closed doors at CES. This
Speaker 1: is from Andy Robinson at VGC. An accessories maker is
Speaker 1: showcasing what it claims to be what claims to be
Speaker 1: an accurate replica of Nintendo's unannounced Switch to console at
Speaker 1: CES in Las Vegas. Ginky is showcasing the device behind
Speaker 1: closed doors at the Las Vegas Convention Center this week,
Speaker 1: where invited guests can hold the replica in their hands
Speaker 1: and get a feel for what it claims is the
Speaker 1: switch to the replica model pictured on this page, and
Speaker 1: I'll go get to a video of it here in
Speaker 1: a second. It's being used to demonstrate the accessories Ginky
Speaker 1: has planned for the Switch successor, including controllers and a
Speaker 1: docking station, it said. German publication Netzwelt was able to
Speaker 1: try the Switch to replica, which Ginky claims has the
Speaker 1: exact dimensions of Nintendo's unannounced According to the publication, switch
Speaker 1: too feels significantly larger to hold, with joy cons that
Speaker 1: are moved from the sign removed from the side rather
Speaker 1: than being slid in upwards. There's might be video of
Speaker 1: that as well, and then when we go to take
Speaker 1: a look at it. Nintendo is yet to officially reveal
Speaker 1: it Switch Successor, but the company has confirmed plans to
Speaker 1: do so during this current fiscal year, which ends March,
Speaker 1: a couple months from now, so we will get a
Speaker 1: reveal before that point. It feels like soon, but who knows.
Speaker 1: With Nintendo other other little sprinkles of stuff here, Ginky
Speaker 1: told people said publicly revealed that the thing will be
Speaker 1: released in April. Uh switched to be just released in April.
Speaker 1: They have They have a page on their website that
Speaker 1: that you know, got like who knows of like where
Speaker 1: they told them, hey, check this out, we got to
Speaker 1: switch to stuff or people just happen to find it whatever.
Speaker 1: They have switched to accessories ready to go on their page. Uh,
Speaker 1: this is flouting Nintendo like right in their face. But uh,
Speaker 1: I don't think I mean that they don't seem to care.
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll care if Nintendo like turns up the eye
Speaker 1: of souron on them. Either way though, Sean, hey more
Speaker 1: switch to leaks.
Speaker 2: Okay, so Ganky is not actually partner with Nintendo. I believe.
Speaker 1: Yes, they are not like an officially licensed partner for Nintendo.
Speaker 2: But yeah, they're like they on the seal on their accessories.
Speaker 2: So first of all, it makes you wonder, like, well
Speaker 2: then how would they have stuff ready to go already?
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: The way that's got to work, right is just a
Speaker 1: manufacturer in China just has to have one of those things,
Speaker 1: and then those things just get spread around because I
Speaker 1: think a poet once said, China don't care. So I
Speaker 1: mean it's got.
Speaker 2: To correct, It's got to be mine here.
Speaker 1: Yes, uh yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's weird, okay, but but yeah, and then for them
Speaker 2: to just be so openly talking about it, and then
Speaker 2: you know, obviously D brand is D brand. They are
Speaker 2: be frank assholes in their market. And then of course
Speaker 2: they would their brand. Yeah, yeah, they would be antagonistic.
Speaker 2: But Gankey just got going out here and saying like, yeah,
Speaker 2: here's what it looks like. We made like a three
Speaker 2: D model, like three D printed model of it. Here's
Speaker 2: when it releases. Just I don't know, I know if
Speaker 2: that's a good idea for your company. You have to
Speaker 2: be honest.
Speaker 1: You don't want to be in the cross here some
Speaker 1: Nintendo No.
Speaker 2: Nintendo. Yeah, it's it'll be rough. But okay, do you
Speaker 2: RESI real quick?
Speaker 1: Yeah, get these synct I. Hey, these leaks keep happening.
Speaker 1: We keep saying Nintendo will reveal it soon. It does
Speaker 1: feel like we know just about everything switched to the
Speaker 1: joy Cons. We heard about those quite a while ago.
Speaker 1: Does look like they're gonna you know, they just kind
Speaker 1: of slot into the side. That's interesting. There's an optical,
Speaker 1: optical sensory looking thing on the side. I know you
Speaker 1: have this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I missed Nintendogs last night. I didn't hear
Speaker 2: you and my talking about this, has that anyone considered
Speaker 2: that it's not an optical sensor the way you think
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I was considering that when I first
Speaker 1: saw it, but then I was pretty convinced by the
Speaker 1: runner pads on the top of the bottom that like
Speaker 1: you would be on a mouse to make it go
Speaker 1: across the smooth surface. You mean the magnets, Yeah, are
Speaker 1: those just magnets? Yeah? You think those? Yeah, you think those.
Speaker 2: Those are where the magnets are, because where else would
Speaker 2: the magnets be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it just it has to look to
Speaker 1: it that has it looks it looks like that smooth
Speaker 1: plastic that is on a mouse. So what do you
Speaker 1: think it could be?
Speaker 2: Then it could just be for development, Jeff, we don't
Speaker 2: know anything about this thing. And this is the thing
Speaker 2: where I keep there's something about these switch two leaks
Speaker 2: where I keep seeing people jump from conclusion to conclusion
Speaker 2: to conclusion. Yes without fact. It's one thing when we
Speaker 2: get the motherboard leak and people can point to components
Speaker 2: on the board and say, oh, this is you know,
Speaker 2: blank component, this is a RAM module, this is whatever
Speaker 2: this is the nvidioship's or when someone looks at an
Speaker 2: alleged switch to joy con looks at like a clear
Speaker 2: piece of plastic on the side of it and says, well,
Speaker 2: it looks like an optical sensor, and our person says, oh,
Speaker 2: optical sensor. Oh, that's what's a mouse, And everyone's like, ah,
Speaker 2: it's a mouse. So he figured it out. It's like,
Speaker 2: haven't you we've been here before where what something has
Speaker 2: had like an extra HDMI Partnerone's like, oh is HDMI
Speaker 2: in what was this gonna do? What is this gonna happen?
Speaker 2: Turns out no, the dev kits they have surplus of
Speaker 2: HDMI port, so they used it for data right we ow?
Speaker 2: Oh no. So some of this is a little like
Speaker 2: people jumping to conclusions too fast. Maybe it is a mouse.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It seems a little Unnintendo like sure,
Speaker 2: Super Nintendo Mouse and all that. But some of these
Speaker 2: leagues are going a bit far. And you know, I
Speaker 2: see Jordan Midler keep posting like can they just reveal
Speaker 2: it already because it's almost like boring? How much we
Speaker 2: know it is.
Speaker 1: Boring at this point? Absolutely? I mean, I think, I think,
Speaker 1: honestly that the leaks might be doing Nintendo a little
Speaker 1: bit of a favor to get all the boring stuff
Speaker 1: out of the way so that they can, like the
Speaker 1: video can just be about the games or whatever, because
Speaker 1: this hardware was never going to be that exciting. Even
Speaker 1: if this thing is a mouse, that's only so exciting.
Speaker 1: Who cares, Like I have a mouse right in front
Speaker 1: of me right now on my computer, and I don't
Speaker 1: ever think about it in any exciting terms.
Speaker 2: Let's be real. Even if that was the case, it
Speaker 2: could be. Even if it was the case, it's gonna
Speaker 2: be like the IRA sounds there two games.
Speaker 1: That is what we said on last nintendocs. If it is,
Speaker 1: if it is this Nintendo, we'll use it in a
Speaker 1: couple of games, third party won't use it at all,
Speaker 1: and we'll forget about it a year from now.
Speaker 2: So yeah, physical hardware is the least interesting part of
Speaker 2: the switch too.
Speaker 1: Was going to be yes, based on what they're going
Speaker 1: for with this thing. Jay Mania and Chad does leak
Speaker 1: to something from gaming leaks and rumors that says the
Speaker 1: shipping manifest or manufacturing manifest I guess does refer to
Speaker 1: those things on the joy cons as mouse souls, Yeah,
Speaker 1: mouse souls, so whatever. Still we'll see shipping manifest is
Speaker 1: manufacturer manufacturing manifest. But you're right, yeah, exactly, this is
Speaker 1: fammy boards like doing the thing that you're talking about,
Speaker 1: kind of really honing in on the stuff, and one
Speaker 1: one leak sort of leads to speculation that leads to
Speaker 1: another week more speculation.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm trying to get it is that it's
Speaker 2: all speculation that people are sometimes taking as fact, and
Speaker 2: maybe some outlets are running with as actual news. It's like, no,
Speaker 2: everyone back up just a second. We think we may
Speaker 2: have figured out. Let's all calm down a little bit here.
Speaker 2: It's fun to speculate, but I think some people are
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, taking us fact a little bit too quickly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It just it does feel a little bit like
Speaker 1: the kind of gimmick that ends up in a switch
Speaker 1: to right where that Nintendo may be a slightly more
Speaker 1: conservative than they've been in the past, but still recognizing
Speaker 1: they need to be Nintendo about things like this thing
Speaker 1: is always going to include a IR camera like gimmick
Speaker 1: in it and something and this feels like that feels
Speaker 1: that slot pretty well.
Speaker 2: But well, even it was an optical sensor on. My
Speaker 2: first assumption wasn't mouse. My first assumption was, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: they're using powerful electro magnets to hold these things in place,
Speaker 2: and you make sure a finger isn't in the way
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 1: Could just be a camera, yeah, I mean yeah, could
Speaker 1: be I mean yeah, it could be just sending data
Speaker 1: or something like that. Who knows.
Speaker 2: It could be a bunch of stuff nice or yeah,
Speaker 2: it could just be like we talked about, the IR sensor,
Speaker 2: could just be a different version of the IR sensor.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. But now even the Nintendo switch to logo
Speaker 1: has reportedly leaked. This is from Tom Iven at VGC.
Speaker 1: Nintendo switch to logo may have leaked. Universal Nintendo editor
Speaker 1: in chief ncro Philippe Lima claims to have seen the
Speaker 1: logo after being sent a photo of the unannounced console
Speaker 1: from a reliable source. Based on when he saw, he
Speaker 1: claims to have precisely recreated the logo and published it,
Speaker 1: published it online. And it's just switch logo with a
Speaker 1: two to the right, So yes, yeah, it definitely required
Speaker 1: a lot of effort there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lovely Sands serum too next to the
Speaker 2: switch logo, Like.
Speaker 1: Great, it really does this it's some of the steps
Speaker 1: bordering on the absurd of like, yeah, okay, I guess
Speaker 1: I guess this is probably the switch to logo.
Speaker 2: You know, there's red and post flooding. That's up right.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, the logo.
Speaker 1: Dude, Yes, I mean, what else were they going to do? Though,
Speaker 1: I guess I guess I'm getting to a little bit
Speaker 1: of point of where I'm like, oh, this is starting
Speaker 1: to get pretty disappointing. Of I'm not going to care
Speaker 1: about the switch to logo once this thing is in
Speaker 1: my hands, for sure, and probably not even once we
Speaker 1: start getting the videos. But in this moment where we're
Speaker 1: like we are just looking for the scraps, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's it. That's the switch to logo. I don't know
Speaker 1: why I care, but for some reason, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I guess that's a little disappointing. I don't know, what
Speaker 1: do you think.
Speaker 2: I think it's a two, Jeff, we really are Grassman
Speaker 2: Straws here at this point where Yeah, I mean, like
Speaker 2: we said in the last news story, we're gonna care
Speaker 2: about the next Mario game, and you know, is there
Speaker 2: a new Mario Kart? And like what what sort of
Speaker 2: scaling are they doing on that chip there? And uh
Speaker 2: not a two next to this switchgo.
Speaker 1: I guess said, like looking at this, I got the
Speaker 1: video now up of the switch to uh there go
Speaker 1: from ce s from Ginky And the way the joy
Speaker 1: Con does sort of just insert into the side looks
Speaker 1: pretty satisfying, looks pretty sturdy and secure, which is an
Speaker 1: improvement that I definitely care about. I feel like the
Speaker 1: switch one. The way the joy Con attached to the
Speaker 1: to the system is a little bit not like unreliable,
Speaker 1: but just shaky enough that it makes it makes the
Speaker 1: whole system a little uncomfortable. This looks more.
Speaker 2: Solid, yeah, and it makes it seem a little more
Speaker 2: modern as well. Having those mechanical rails, you know, just
Speaker 2: literal metal metal and plastic, metal and metal, but having
Speaker 2: that metal and plastic working together always felt a little
Speaker 2: It's satisfying to get the click, but nowadays, in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five, it does feel a bit outdated. Me. It's
Speaker 2: just because we've had the switch for so long, but
Speaker 2: having something where just sort of magically connects on first
Speaker 2: of all, very apple, very mag safe, but also it
Speaker 2: just looks elegant, you know, looking at this video. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if it just kind of slides on in there, that
Speaker 2: that's cool. And if it is if it is these
Speaker 2: really strong magnets that are going to hold it on
Speaker 2: in place and have it be reliable while also being
Speaker 2: easier to get on and off, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yep. And then here is a size comparison. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: looks much bigger than the sweitch. Geez god, the screen
Speaker 1: itself looks about as big as the DOC. I guess
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of a case around the edge.
Speaker 2: This is an original switch, I believe it is being
Speaker 2: compared to, so not doing a ton of favors, not
Speaker 2: compared to the o LED. It's not like for audio listeners.
Speaker 2: It's not like a gigantic step up. But it's like
Speaker 2: maybe what you would have envisioned like a switch ex
Speaker 2: al looking like see, you know, it's a little bit bigger.
Speaker 1: I think like if you take the average between the
Speaker 1: switch and the steam deck, I think it's you go
Speaker 1: in the middle of the bat to go that average
Speaker 1: and then lean a little bit towards the switch, and
Speaker 1: I think that's about that's about the size you should
Speaker 1: be imagining.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's very much switch shaped, it seems like
Speaker 2: roughly as slim as a switch, and everything is going
Speaker 2: to be a more just pleasant to hold device then,
Speaker 2: Like as much as I love that the steam deck
Speaker 2: that things, that thing's dick, oh yeah, absolutely, And that's
Speaker 2: like a game gear right there.
Speaker 1: And I think for like, I'm someone that maybe carried
Speaker 1: my switch with me and maybe even put in my
Speaker 1: pocket more than the average person. But I think most
Speaker 1: people do not do that at all. So I think
Speaker 1: recognizing that and making a device that it's more comfortable
Speaker 1: to hold, Like in my Genko Sean, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: Why do you give me that face?
Speaker 2: It's just wondering. Yeah, what Pantsy's still gallaying around.
Speaker 1: Nothing really these days? Actually that's but I definitely had
Speaker 1: some bigger pants that they would have fit in it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I pokes at the top a little bit, but a
Speaker 1: little bit, a little bit. Yeah this this do?
Speaker 2: Yeah in the summer, the cargo short, it's like, I'll
Speaker 2: give you that.
Speaker 1: I think when the Switch originally launched, I did a
Speaker 1: video of like trying to put it in my pocket
Speaker 1: and that did pretty well. That might that might still
Speaker 1: be on my YouTube page somewhere. But yeah, hey, I'm
Speaker 1: welcoming a slightly large device, especially since that screen looks
Speaker 1: pretty big. And You're right, it does look more comfortable
Speaker 1: to hold for long periods of time. Not that I
Speaker 1: ever had huge issues with the switch, but this until
Speaker 1: I played eighty hours of Dead Sales in a week
Speaker 1: that that destroyed my hands. Yeah, this looks pretty good.
Speaker 2: Hey, before we get off of cees, Vingbo's new and
Speaker 2: videographics cards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they seem pretty good. I think that
Speaker 1: the it seem that they took a little extra time
Speaker 1: from the forty series, right, and I think it feels
Speaker 1: like they really put quite a bit into there. And
Speaker 1: I don't think the prices are too bad. I think
Speaker 1: they are still I think graphics cards are just expensive
Speaker 1: across the board.
Speaker 2: They're just too expensive in generally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's been a trend for a long time. But
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think they're pretty impressive. And I am,
Speaker 1: like I have the forty ninety, so I'm not like
Speaker 1: rushing out to get something new, but I'm definitely keeping
Speaker 1: my eye on them. How about you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think because I need to build a new
Speaker 2: computer because, like I've mentioned, mine is like falling apart,
Speaker 2: So I'm i in that fifty seventy. I don't like
Speaker 2: that mine in that fifty seventy because five fifty eight cheap.
Speaker 1: Nope, But for a.
Speaker 2: Level of performance that they're given there, you know, like
Speaker 2: they're saying, if you use all of the RTX suite
Speaker 2: on these new cards, including like frame gen and everything
Speaker 2: like that, Man, getting forty ninety class performance in terms
Speaker 2: of frame rate and visuals out of a five to
Speaker 2: fifty card. That's that's feeling pretty good right about now,
Speaker 2: especially because it'd be better for me for like rendering
Speaker 2: videos and stuff too, that having that newer card with
Speaker 2: a newer encoder and everything on it. Forward to that,
Speaker 2: I was thinking about thinking about how expensive that is
Speaker 2: and how much money I'm gonna spend us build total.
Speaker 2: But my thought, boy, I'm like, man, even if you
Speaker 2: spend like twelve hundred dollars on gaming PC nowadays, that's
Speaker 2: really like a solid computer that's still in the ballpark
Speaker 2: of like a console and a computer separately. Just how
Speaker 2: how I justified to myself it's two devices and one
Speaker 2: I am going to use it as both devices. So
Speaker 2: I think I will get that fifty seventy because all
Speaker 2: the cars above that die spend that kind of money,
Speaker 2: I spend one thousand dollars plus on a graphics card.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that's why I'm gonna grab.
Speaker 1: I think that's the right that's the right sort of
Speaker 1: butter zone for the new crop of GPUs. And and yeah,
Speaker 1: I think if are you gaming on a high refresh
Speaker 1: rate monitor on one PC.
Speaker 2: I mean one twenty okay special.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think then fifty seventy is probably
Speaker 1: exactly right. I think if people are trying to do
Speaker 1: four K and anything above that, fifty eighty is gonna
Speaker 1: be pretty good for that. Especially with the LS four.
Speaker 2: You know the frames and you can get into the
Speaker 2: two hundreds, which is wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at four K like that that's I mean not
Speaker 1: every game obviously, but like many games, you're gonna be
Speaker 1: able to get like more than one hundred twenty frames
Speaker 1: per second at four K, and that is pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: Now at this point, it's just something I never was
Speaker 1: really considering before. I'm like, I'm not, I don't need
Speaker 1: a high refresh rate four K monitor. Some people bought those.
Speaker 1: You have one of those, this will be this will
Speaker 1: take huge advantage of that.
Speaker 2: Do you see what blurbuster is cooked up there with
Speaker 2: their new CRT shader.
Speaker 1: No I haven't looked recently.
Speaker 2: Is it man bfi black frame insertion that simulates a
Speaker 2: CRT like beam? So like the way it like goes
Speaker 2: from top to bottom and so like you can even
Speaker 2: demo it on what you have right now, if you
Speaker 2: have one twenty or above mod or and it looks
Speaker 2: real smooth. Jeff, it looks real nice. So uh yeah,
Speaker 2: some of the newer TVs I can do that. It's
Speaker 2: gonna look really good.
Speaker 1: Yep. That's kind of stuff definitely would be using it for.
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, maybe I'll do that. All right, let's
Speaker 1: take a quick break and we'll come back. A Pokemon Presents.
Speaker 1: Is that happening? We'll talk about it right after this.
Speaker 1: All right, we are back and let's get right back
Speaker 1: into it with a data mind that suggests a Pokemon
Speaker 1: Presents twenty twenty five is coming soon. Issh, this is
Speaker 1: from Nintendo Everything. Fans are always anticipating a Pokemon Presents
Speaker 1: presentation to go along with Pokemon Day, and it looks
Speaker 1: like another event is planned for twenty twenty five. Twitter
Speaker 1: user Maddy o'conna conducted a Pokemon Go data mine and
Speaker 1: noticed a particular piece of code that has now appeared.
Speaker 1: It's pretty clear that, based on what stated, we're on
Speaker 1: tap for a new Pokemon Presents twenty twenty five broadcast
Speaker 1: on Pokemon Day. Obviously that isn't surprising given what's happened
Speaker 1: in the years past, but we'll take it regardless. Then
Speaker 1: they have an image here of the actual data. Mind
Speaker 1: but yeah, Sean, you're my Pokemon guy. What's happening?
Speaker 2: Yeah, O shit, Jeff, Yep. They do one every year, yep.
Speaker 1: And then they definitely have some Pokemon stuff happening. Like always,
Speaker 1: they have some stuff they got to talk about.
Speaker 3: So so I think if you don't know what the
Speaker 3: news story here is, and I think maybe the people
Speaker 3: reporting on this don't know what the new store here
Speaker 3: actually is, they data mine from Pokemon Go some Unova
Speaker 3: region stuff.
Speaker 2: That's the black and White region. Jeff, okay, And you know,
Speaker 2: we've had black and White on the brain because like, hey,
Speaker 2: where's that Black and White remake? It feels like we
Speaker 2: should be maybe thinking about that.
Speaker 1: I do, but it does feel like that's up next.
Speaker 1: That's where we're at with that.
Speaker 2: That would be up next. Yeah, brilliant Diamond Shining Pearl,
Speaker 2: So you know, jen fod that was the last one.
Speaker 2: And so we're thinking about Gen five black and White,
Speaker 2: and here we have data mind stuff from the Pokemon Presents,
Speaker 2: a Pokemon Go event that is all about Gen five. Well, Jeff,
Speaker 2: interesting thing. The trading card game is getting entire Gen
Speaker 2: five expansion in I believe it's June. That is just
Speaker 2: all of the Pokemon from Black and White. That's all
Speaker 2: it is. And so it's weird that we're getting expansion
Speaker 2: dedicated to black and white, a Pokemon Go event tied
Speaker 2: into Black and White specifically. All this stuff is like,
Speaker 2: is something finally happening with this was something supposed to
Speaker 2: happen and got delayed. I don't know. Weird thing about
Speaker 2: this even this point last year, so we're trying to
Speaker 2: figure out what's going on. It feels like they've been
Speaker 2: setting up for something. They've been teasing black and White
Speaker 2: on their social media for like months now. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's finally time this year, maybe not. Maybe it's
Speaker 2: all a coincidence. Feels like a weird coincidence considering especially
Speaker 2: with the TCG, we haven't had a dedicad set like
Speaker 2: this outside of Gen one stuff because you know everyone
Speaker 2: wants those charizart cards and stuff. Right, we haven't had
Speaker 2: that kind of thing recently unless it's been tied into
Speaker 2: a game. So that's why are thinking maybe it's find
Speaker 2: a time.
Speaker 1: My my thing here is I am currently while you
Speaker 1: were talking there, looking up images of black and white,
Speaker 1: and I think this game looks fantastic.
Speaker 2: It looks so good.
Speaker 1: It looks so good.
Speaker 2: It was a two D before HG two D.
Speaker 1: Yes, and how are they gonna mess that up? Because
Speaker 1: I just feel like they're yes.
Speaker 2: No, it's gonna it's gonna look like a low budget
Speaker 2: mobile game is probably where we're at right now. A
Speaker 2: brilliant diamond shying pearls and indication. Yeah, which is why,
Speaker 2: like all of us Pokemon nerds have been really hesitant
Speaker 2: about this one, because boy, look at that r or
Speaker 2: look at that sprite work. Combined with the three D models,
Speaker 2: it looks fantastic. And if they don't put some TLC
Speaker 2: into this game, boy, it's gonna look like ass isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I think it's gonna think that's precarious, But
Speaker 1: I mean it's a Pokemon company, do they and Nintendo?
Speaker 1: You know, they sort of handcuffed themselves into during doing
Speaker 1: these things in a certain way. Maybe they're gonna break
Speaker 1: that with this one. Who knows. I think hud would
Speaker 1: be awesome for this, but you know, it's not like
Speaker 1: you just go pull that stuff off the shelf.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I didn't follow a ton of the what they
Speaker 2: called the Taro leak out of Game Freak. I did
Speaker 2: and follow everything I came out of that. But between
Speaker 2: that and some some rumblings on the street, it sounds
Speaker 2: like Game Freak wasn't thrilled with the way Brilliant Diamond,
Speaker 2: Shining Pearl turned out. But those games turned out the
Speaker 2: way they did because they like pivoted from a really
Speaker 2: big remake to something else at the last minute. It
Speaker 2: sounds like, so maybe maybe they actually put a little
Speaker 2: more effort into and gives something more like the Gen
Speaker 2: three remakes, which were pretty good, pretty good on three
Speaker 2: D s there. So if we can get back to that,
Speaker 2: I think people would be happy generally.
Speaker 1: So Pokemon Day is February twenty seventh, so that you know,
Speaker 1: that is enough time. You know, of course there's always
Speaker 1: been enough time, but that's enough time for Nintendo to
Speaker 1: get maybe some switch To stuff out of the way,
Speaker 1: so that maybe the Pokemon company can talk a little
Speaker 1: bit more openly about what might be happening with ZA.
Speaker 2: No, because yes, please, no game announced thatd this Pokemon
Speaker 2: Presents is going to be on the switch to unless
Speaker 2: it's an upgrade part. That's why I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're probably right about you, probably because
Speaker 1: ZA will be because that's just how the Pokemon games
Speaker 1: have worked in the past, Right, They just focus on
Speaker 1: the thing that has one hundred million things out there,
Speaker 1: even if there is a new system, and they do
Speaker 1: that a little bit, they take a little bit longer
Speaker 1: to catch up on that than some other companies, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, usually not too long. Usually it's likely. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: just like on average I think at this point like
Speaker 2: two years, so not not too far after maybe a year.
Speaker 2: So ZA is different enough, and it's more for the
Speaker 2: core audience. I can see them doing some kind of
Speaker 2: crosshend thing. We all know exactly what crosshend looks like
Speaker 2: on the switch to. That could be the case, maybe, like.
Speaker 1: Stuff might not be clarified, like well we're talking about oh,
Speaker 1: switch too could get announced that that announcement almost certainly
Speaker 1: does not have details like what does cross gen look
Speaker 1: like at that point, we probably get that a little
Speaker 1: bit later than even February twenty seventh.
Speaker 2: I think it depends on like what cross Sheen looks like,
Speaker 2: because if it's as simple as like, yes, your Switch
Speaker 2: games will run switch to and then that's it. They
Speaker 2: just get that out.
Speaker 1: Of the way totally. You're right, But I expect it
Speaker 1: to be a little bit more complicated than that.
Speaker 2: I excted it to be something a little bit more Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I guess we'll see. But yeah, like Gen ten
Speaker 2: for the thirtieth anniversary main sure I get my numbers right,
Speaker 2: that'll be next year. Maybe that's on Switch too, But yeah,
Speaker 2: well we're not going to start off with a like
Speaker 2: mainline or even remake Pokemon game spinoffs. Spinoffs come to
Speaker 2: the new console railway, so there's a spinoff ready to
Speaker 2: go that may even be like a Switch to launch game.
Speaker 2: But yeah, nothing nothing like major.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's let's keep going here. Although real
Speaker 1: quick want to note Dan Raykert and Chat says he
Speaker 1: is suited up as a reminder like Club happens right
Speaker 1: after Game mes Mornings is today, So we're gonna we're
Speaker 1: gonna try. Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2: I know parts of the suit. I actually don't know
Speaker 2: the full outfits. I'm excited to see this.
Speaker 1: I think I added a couple of things since you
Speaker 1: last saw as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. So it's gonna be fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't. You're not gonna want to miss it. So
Speaker 1: as soon as we're done here, stay tuned, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go down Dan, We'll come right back up. We'll do
Speaker 1: the intro. It's Terminator three, the term Dan Nator Reich
Speaker 1: of the machines. So you're not gonnaet everybody, All right,
Speaker 1: let's keep going. Xbox says it's handheld will combine the
Speaker 1: best of Xbox and Windows. Is from Jordan Miller at VGC.
Speaker 1: Microsoft is once again talking about it's yet as yet
Speaker 1: unannounced handheld, this time claiming it will combine the best
Speaker 1: of Xbox and Windows. As attended by the Verge, Microsoft's
Speaker 1: VP of Next Generation, Jason Ronald took part in a
Speaker 1: roundtable at CS titled the Future of Gaming Handhelds, where
Speaker 1: you shared further details about Microsoft's planned portable. We've been
Speaker 1: really innovating for a long time in the console space,
Speaker 1: and as we partner across the industry. It's really about
Speaker 1: how we bring those innovations that we've incubated and developed
Speaker 1: in the console space and bring them to PC and
Speaker 1: bring them to the handheld gaming space, he said. Microsoft's
Speaker 1: gaming CEO has reportedly hinted that it could create its
Speaker 1: own Steam Dex style Xbox blah blah blah. Expectations that
Speaker 1: we would do something in this category, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: The Verge spoke to Ronald. I would say it's bringing
Speaker 1: the best of Xbox and Windows together because we have
Speaker 1: spent the last twenty years building a world class operating system,
Speaker 1: but it's really locked to the console, said Ronald. What
Speaker 1: we're doing is we're really focused on how do we
Speaker 1: bring those experiences for both players and developers to the
Speaker 1: broader Windows ecosystem. He added, I think at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, our goal is to make Windows great
Speaker 1: for gaming on any device. The reality is the Xbox
Speaker 1: operating system is built on top of Windows, so there's
Speaker 1: a lot of infrastructure that we built into the console
Speaker 1: space that we can bring to the PC space and
Speaker 1: really deliver that premium gaming experience on any device. Sean,
Speaker 1: this is mostly what I want to be hearing from them.
Speaker 1: I don't know how much I believe that this is
Speaker 1: going to be the thing that I want it to be.
Speaker 1: But my thing is always you pick up a switch,
Speaker 1: you know what it's going to do. When you pick
Speaker 1: it up, you know how it's going to behave and
Speaker 1: you are expecting to play games, and it gives you games.
Speaker 1: When you pick up a Windows based device, it is
Speaker 1: powerful and has all the broad support and all that
Speaker 1: stuff is awesome. But you pick it up and it's
Speaker 1: a little laptop without a keyboard in a mouse, and
Speaker 1: that's a little frustrating for me. Obviously, they can address
Speaker 1: some of those things, but boy, can they bridge the
Speaker 1: gap to make it feel more like a console, something
Speaker 1: I think is necessary I hope. So it sounds like
Speaker 1: that's what they're going for.
Speaker 2: What do you think, Well, what he's saying here, which
Speaker 2: first of all, changing the mass tyle to VP of
Speaker 2: next generation, it feels like such a current Xbox. They
Speaker 2: and do a second, what do you He's kind of
Speaker 2: trying to like speak in both directions here, What do
Speaker 2: you think this thing is? Do you think it is
Speaker 2: finally the handheld optimized version of Windows that people have
Speaker 2: been wanting for a while. Now or is it just
Speaker 2: running the Xbox operating system because for people don't know
Speaker 2: when they say Xbox is built on Windows is because
Speaker 2: the Windows like kernel is what power is an Xbox
Speaker 2: console like since the beginning has been extremely modified versions
Speaker 2: of Windows that form the operating system of Xbox consoles.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's what they would do at this point,
Speaker 2: but the ways talking around it makes us sound like
Speaker 2: you could go in out of direction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, what is I think.
Speaker 2: I think the people from the console space who want
Speaker 2: Xbox handheld want like a switch style dedicated device, But
Speaker 2: it sounds to me like this is more of just
Speaker 2: a Windows handheld optimized heavily to like look and function
Speaker 2: like an Xbox.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I think long term the best bet
Speaker 1: for them is to make a version of probably of
Speaker 1: the Xbox os directly for one of these devices, But
Speaker 1: don't I don't think that's what they'll end up doing.
Speaker 1: And I think they can do enough of the work
Speaker 1: to make Windows make you forget about Windows while being
Speaker 1: in the Xbox operating system, which is what I think. Well,
Speaker 1: I will be happy with if they can accomplish that,
Speaker 1: but I think that's a little bit more difficult, and
Speaker 1: I think long term it's like you know, you know,
Speaker 1: Steam using the Linux kernel and then Steam OS be
Speaker 1: being on top of that that has already solved a
Speaker 1: lot of these problems and it's only going to keep
Speaker 1: getting better with new features. You know, Windows could always
Speaker 1: just look archaic and weird compared to that. But again,
Speaker 1: it has the broad support, and I think that's what
Speaker 1: they want to maintain. And I think, you know, you
Speaker 1: build in the Xbox OS and the into their running
Speaker 1: the Windows kernel, a lot of that support would just
Speaker 1: kind of work. And especially if they are going to
Speaker 1: build a version of the Windows or the Xbox operating
Speaker 1: system for the new system that will allows you to
Speaker 1: install Steam and you plan all this other stuff, as
Speaker 1: rumors have suggested. Maybe maybe that is the direction they're headed.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I think I'd be okay with
Speaker 1: either one. I think long term though, they are better
Speaker 1: off if they make something directly for this device that
Speaker 1: is a gaming operating system first and maybe exclusively.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the big difference for anyone who doesn't know
Speaker 2: the text stuff here, even after that, the difference here
Speaker 2: is is this going to run the PC versions of
Speaker 2: games or the Xbox versions of games, which is a
Speaker 2: huge difference in terms of compatibility, because if you're running
Speaker 2: the PC versions of games, you're really only able to
Speaker 2: play games from like you know, and to have proper
Speaker 2: like what do they call the now glyphs like the
Speaker 2: controller icons and our thing and have controller support just
Speaker 2: works you really looking at like twenty fifteen onward. And
Speaker 2: you're also probably out of the box limited to what's
Speaker 2: available on the Xbox app. Because it is a Windows device,
Speaker 2: you can install our stores and whatever. But if it
Speaker 2: is the Xbox operating system, well then that presumably would
Speaker 2: use some compatibility layer to get all current games on there,
Speaker 2: all Xbox One games on there, are all backwards compatibility
Speaker 2: games on there, and so I think that would be
Speaker 2: a more successful device, But I think that's not the
Speaker 2: direction they're heading in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I agree with that where I think
Speaker 1: that would be preferable, the right move, and I doubt
Speaker 1: that that's what's happening, but harder to do, harder, which
Speaker 1: is why they probably wouldn't right exactly. They're always sort
Speaker 1: of one foot in and want to fit out with everything.
Speaker 1: I know. They seem like they're full bore on this,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I just don't know if I
Speaker 1: believe it.
Speaker 2: It feels like it's going to be a Windows handheld
Speaker 2: where they heavily market the fact that I can run
Speaker 2: game pass games, because you know, what would be the
Speaker 2: difference between that as Steam Deck at this point, basically
Speaker 2: just the ability to run game pass games.
Speaker 1: Yep, all right, let's keep moving here. Oblivion linked Virtuos
Speaker 1: is making an unannounced Unreal Engine five remake. This is
Speaker 1: from Tom. I've been at VGC. Virtuous is working on
Speaker 1: an unannounced remake in Unreal Engine five. That's according to
Speaker 1: the LinkedIn profile of Oleski Moscow Chinko, a technical art
Speaker 1: director at Virtuous in Shanghai, China. While the identity of
Speaker 1: the project remains a mystery, excuse me, it's reignited a
Speaker 1: speculation that a remake of two thousand and six The
Speaker 1: Elder Scrolls for Oblivion could be in development at Virtuos.
Speaker 1: And I think that's almost certainly what this is, so yes,
Speaker 1: and and uh, you know, people will immediately be like
Speaker 1: that is weird because you're gonna remake that whole thing unreal.
Speaker 1: Just as a reminder of the rumor which I haven't
Speaker 1: confirmed this, but the rumor at the time, from a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago or maybe last year, was that, uh,
Speaker 1: Virtuos was going to do this and they were going
Speaker 1: to remake the visuals and unreal and kind of link
Speaker 1: that on top of the scaffolding underneath would still be
Speaker 1: Creation Engine. And I listen, I don't know how that's
Speaker 1: gonna work, but that has been the rumor there. Uh,
Speaker 1: and I welcome that. Boy. I think that sounds like
Speaker 1: a good idea because I like Oblivion, uh, even though
Speaker 1: it was always kind of an ugly game. Uh, this
Speaker 1: this confixed that. Uh. I so I'm excited about this.
Speaker 1: It also to me it feels like them like experimenting
Speaker 1: and working with Virtuos to come up with a game
Speaker 1: plan to uh maybe make the future of Elder scrolls
Speaker 1: and and uh, you know what are these is a
Speaker 1: still gain or creation Engine is that's still what they
Speaker 1: call it now whatever? The Creation Engine two point zero
Speaker 1: for Future Game two yet to have unreal engine visuals
Speaker 1: on top of all of the bullshit that they still
Speaker 1: like to have where you can pick up every item
Speaker 1: in the world and things like that, and they don't
Speaker 1: want to get rid of that. So maybe this is
Speaker 1: a precursor to what happens with Elder Scroll six and
Speaker 1: Fallout five and beyond. But either way, I'm excited about this,
Speaker 1: how about you?
Speaker 2: Uh? I this is an interesting one because if I
Speaker 2: had heard this rumor with nothing linked to Oblivion before,
Speaker 2: I will have assumed it was the next Melgar remake
Speaker 2: because they're working on Delta.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's fair.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So while we're going off of here, though, is
Speaker 2: that apparently last year is someone or two years ago
Speaker 2: now twenty twenty three, someone claiming to be a former
Speaker 2: employee there claimed that they were working on a remake
Speaker 2: of Oblivion. So that's what's leaning us in that direction,
Speaker 2: I suppose, which, okay, sure that that gives us selling
Speaker 2: a work off of Uh it feels a I don't know.
Speaker 2: I I'm not a huge Bethesda RPG person, so I
Speaker 2: don't know as much about the history here. It feels
Speaker 2: like something that would be odd for them to outsource personally.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's more something about Bethesda likes to
Speaker 2: do internally.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, we're at a point where they
Speaker 1: don't have a choice anymore, right, because if you want
Speaker 1: to do this sort of thing, that's the game works
Speaker 1: is not a massive studio we're talking. I guess you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just say a number like three hundred that's going
Speaker 1: to sound massive. But you know, they make big games
Speaker 1: that take a long time to make, and all those
Speaker 1: people work on that stuff the entire time. They kind
Speaker 1: of don't have the capacity to go and do one
Speaker 1: of these themselves at this point in time.
Speaker 2: But internal doesn't mean Bethesda anymore, it means Xbox. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I think it still feels odd to go entirely
Speaker 2: outside the family. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not like Xbox has a ton of studios
Speaker 1: to spare either, though, I mean I don't they have
Speaker 1: a ton of studios, but they're all busy all the time, Banjo,
Speaker 1: and they're like, we don't, we don't ever know, We
Speaker 1: have no idea who can make that game.
Speaker 2: It hurts to us. Like remaking is something I think
Speaker 2: they're a little nude too new to. But they've done
Speaker 2: a lot of like HD stuff in the past, so
Speaker 2: they are very good at making these remasters and now remakes,
Speaker 2: so may they may. It is just one of those
Speaker 2: situations where they were just like, hey, let's go to
Speaker 2: a really good parting studio, remake studio, and see what
Speaker 2: they can do.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's awesome. All right, let's keep it going here
Speaker 1: as we get ready to wrap up so we can
Speaker 1: get it right into a black club here in a
Speaker 1: few minutes. Xbox Games and game Pass can lose eighty
Speaker 1: percent of premium sales, it's claimed from Jordan Midller at VGC.
Speaker 1: Xbox games included in the game Pass subscription service can
Speaker 1: reportedly expect to lose up to eighty percent of their
Speaker 1: predicted premium sales. That's according to business journalist Christopher Dring,
Speaker 1: who added that from multiple multiple multi platform titles excuse me,
Speaker 1: inclusion and game Pass can drive PS five sales. Speaking
Speaker 1: as part of a Q and A on the install
Speaker 1: based forums, Dring was asked his thoughts about game Pass
Speaker 1: and its impact on the market. Anecdotally, games that are
Speaker 1: in games can expect to lose around eighty percent of
Speaker 1: their expected sales on Xbox Dream wrote, that's the figure
Speaker 1: that gets thrown around. It's less if it's a big
Speaker 1: mainstream release, but generally, look at how Helblay two mainstream.
Speaker 1: Look at how hell Blay two charted, or where Indiana
Speaker 1: Jones came, or even Starfield game plass gameplass cast. Game
Speaker 1: Pass clearly hurts sales on Xbox, and I think it's like, yeah, duh,
Speaker 1: of course it will cost yes, but it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: getting a number put on it is helpful. I think
Speaker 1: it kind of maybe illustrates some of the choices Xboxes
Speaker 1: made recently where they're like, hey, well, you know, we
Speaker 1: did the game pass thing, and that was disruptive to
Speaker 1: a point, and that disruption now feels like it has
Speaker 1: settled and is just a natural part of the gaming landscape.
Speaker 1: We still want to make more money. We have money,
Speaker 1: we would like to have more of it, and so
Speaker 1: now we are going to be putting these games on
Speaker 1: PlayStation because that is a good way to make more money.
Speaker 1: I think that's just like you draw one dot, you
Speaker 1: draw the other dot, and now there's a clear line
Speaker 1: in between. I do wonder Sean like there's always been
Speaker 1: talk of Microsoft getting scared off of game Pass to
Speaker 1: the point where maybe they begin to deprecate it and
Speaker 1: step away from it. I do think they've stepped back
Speaker 1: half step. Do you think there's the full Do you
Speaker 1: think the full step is still on the table, where
Speaker 1: like maybe I mean, you know, day one games aren't included,
Speaker 1: some certain Day one games aren't included. I know there's
Speaker 1: a version of a game Pass that does have that,
Speaker 1: but maybe going even further than that.
Speaker 2: Well, right, because you need to be on Ultimate to
Speaker 2: get all of the Day one games on console is
Speaker 2: the way it works now. It's still a little confusing
Speaker 2: how they brought that up. I don't like that anymore.
Speaker 2: I think, Okay, so the situation here is, yeah, of
Speaker 2: course you lose a craptown of sales by having a subscription.
Speaker 2: Then clues everything because why would anyone buy something by
Speaker 2: default if it's part of a subscription that is very
Speaker 2: reasonably priced and you know, if you're especially in the
Speaker 2: console ecosystem, you're kind of expected to have at this point,
Speaker 2: So like, of course you're going to lose a craptown sales.
Speaker 2: I think game Pass just hasn't landed the way Xbox
Speaker 2: wanted it to where they were like, yeah, the growth
Speaker 2: isn't there anymore, at least where you know it's sell
Speaker 2: in a good place. They have a lot of subscribers
Speaker 2: still still bringing in a very good amount of money.
Speaker 2: How much is it offsetting how much you're losing on
Speaker 2: now seventy dollars sales of games. I do think that's
Speaker 2: part of the reason why they are expanding to PS five,
Speaker 2: because yeah, have your kk NIA too. Have it be
Speaker 2: day one game pass in the Xbox ecosystem, any Xbox platform,
Speaker 2: that's cool, and then you go over a PlayStation like
Speaker 2: six months later, get a bunch of seventy dollars purses.
Speaker 2: I think maybe that's the plan that works out for
Speaker 2: them in the long run, because again, reminder, console fanboyism, tribalism,
Speaker 2: it's all bs nobody actually cares about when it comes
Speaker 2: to business. They're looking at all of the money and
Speaker 2: maybe this is the mill ground they can reach where
Speaker 2: they encourage an audience to stay in their ecosystem using
Speaker 2: game pass, that's just an incentive for them, and then
Speaker 2: they find other ways to get those major purchases. Maybe
Speaker 2: that's the plan that works out for them. But I
Speaker 2: don't see them like eliminating game Pass in the near
Speaker 2: future as the at least as long as they want
Speaker 2: to continue to push their hardware in some way and
Speaker 2: continue to push apps the way they have been with
Speaker 2: the PC app, and they're expanding to the mobile app
Speaker 2: and everything like that. Because even if it feels weird now,
Speaker 2: even if it's no intuitive now, Eventually just having that
Speaker 2: Xbox app on someone's TV, especially if that TV happens
Speaker 2: to include a controller in the future out of the box,
Speaker 2: maybe they have a marketing deal there and someone can
Speaker 2: just you know, fire up their new TV and they say, oh, hey,
Speaker 2: and this controller lets me play games on too. That's convenient.
Speaker 2: I think that's where they are looking at in the future,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, and I think that was definitely the
Speaker 1: goal early on was like, Okay, we will supplement this
Speaker 1: with the core audience right now and let that sort
Speaker 1: of disrupt that space. But really the end goal here
Speaker 1: is to shoot past that and get to the more
Speaker 1: casual audience that is afraid of buying a five hundred
Speaker 1: dollars console and doesn't like spending sixty dollars on individual games,
Speaker 1: and we'll get them and that will make this whole
Speaker 1: thing makes sense. And that just they've not been able
Speaker 1: to get to that points, which is why it has
Speaker 1: settled in at like fifteen percent of their business, is
Speaker 1: what Phil Spencer said a couple of years ago, and
Speaker 1: he expects to be fifteen percent of the business going forward,
Speaker 1: and then they're not going to give that up. So
Speaker 1: game Pass is not going to go away. Jamie h
Speaker 1: Won two two four in chat says it it hurts sales, yes,
Speaker 1: but a recurrent subscription looks better to investors, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: It did while it was still growing. Now that it's
Speaker 1: not growing anymore, it is it a liability. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's now it that way, but maybe.
Speaker 2: Now it's become stable income, and now they should think
Speaker 2: about is the stable income offsetting potential growth.
Speaker 1: That's where they're at right now. Yeah, and I think,
Speaker 1: you know, I the toothpaste probably is out of the tube.
Speaker 1: They probably can't undo game Pass, and I don't think
Speaker 1: they want to. I don't think they want to.
Speaker 2: But I's where you actually lose trust with that audience exactly.
Speaker 1: And that's like they're they're walking a fine line where
Speaker 1: they want to encourage and engender that trust and that
Speaker 1: enthusiasm and that fanboyism to a certain degree. But I
Speaker 1: think they have recognized that that is not a pathway
Speaker 1: to the riches that they were expecting, and that it
Speaker 1: was a distraction and.
Speaker 2: Trying because the consoles aren't doing great exactly.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, we like the reality is us we
Speaker 1: are not enough for these companies. Like for a long
Speaker 1: time we were, and we spend a lot of money
Speaker 1: on games and that made the whole thing go around.
Speaker 1: But they have sort of tapped us out and now
Speaker 1: they are looking at that growth and like, we can't
Speaker 1: get anything more from these nerds f them. So like,
Speaker 1: you know, we know they're going to keep buying our games,
Speaker 1: we got to look somewhere else. It's it's I'm a
Speaker 1: little bit, you know, scared about it, but that's just
Speaker 1: because I'm I can't sort of change the way I
Speaker 1: like to play games. So younger people who have a
Speaker 1: different way of looking at games and different taste, they're
Speaker 1: going to be just fine because these people are going
Speaker 1: to these companies are going to cater to them. Uh,
Speaker 1: and I will be left with the scraps. And you
Speaker 1: know that's that's what happens to old folks. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just where we're at all, right. Last story here,
Speaker 1: Suicide Squad studio rock Steady reportedly suffers more layoffs. Suicide
Speaker 1: Squad killed the Justice League. Developer rock Steady has reportedly
Speaker 1: been hit with fresh layoffs. That's according to Eurogamer, which
Speaker 1: said it had heard the news from a half dozen
Speaker 1: impacted employees. The cuts reportedly took place at the end
Speaker 1: of last year, impacting some programmers, arts artists, and QA staff.
Speaker 1: Let's see here. Yes, the QA department being more than
Speaker 1: half had from thirty three to fifteen staff. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: rim the sort of fallout from Suicide Squad did feel
Speaker 1: unfinished because they have a long time before they're going
Speaker 1: to be able to put another game, and them continuing
Speaker 1: to reduce costs while they reload for something next did
Speaker 1: feel inevitable at a certain point. And here we are.
Speaker 1: You know, that is a company that is under Warner Brothers,
Speaker 1: a clown show if there ever was one. So this
Speaker 1: being the continuing result of that game not performing is
Speaker 1: not too surprising. It just it just stinks because it's
Speaker 1: like boy Boy, that game that developed rad hit after
Speaker 1: hit after hit one bet one thing goes wrong and
Speaker 1: here we are, and that's just what the industry is like, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's just another layer to the City Jase situation we've
Speaker 2: been in for a while now. And yeah, Suicide Squad
Speaker 2: definitely did not help that at all because that game
Speaker 2: had a whole bunch of rockiness around it. So I
Speaker 2: guess it's may this was to be expected, but it's
Speaker 2: very unfortunate and definitely thoughts going out to that team
Speaker 2: because I'll deserve better.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get this show wrapped up. I'll get
Speaker 1: the pull right here. Do you like the idea of
Speaker 1: using a switch to JOYCN as a mouse? I do,
Speaker 1: and I am in the minority. Forty four percent like
Speaker 1: that idea of fifty six percent do not. We have
Speaker 1: a new poll question. We'll get to that here in
Speaker 1: a second, But first, Sean, where can people find you
Speaker 1: on the internet?
Speaker 2: Ping? Find me? Oh at turboshaan dot com. Sahawn, that
Speaker 2: is my blue Sky handle now, And hey, I got
Speaker 2: the domain, you know, because I had to, and it
Speaker 2: just redirects to blues guys. It's nice and easy to.
Speaker 1: Do that for mind.
Speaker 2: I kind of like, how, Yeah, it's neat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a pretty good system they got over there.
Speaker 1: I'm a big yeah.
Speaker 2: The Blue Sky naming scheme still seems confusing just thinking
Speaker 2: it as an email address and everything starts to click
Speaker 2: into place a lot.
Speaker 1: And it's almost exactly the same as the email protocol, right,
Speaker 1: that's what the whole thing is built.
Speaker 2: It's a no what's interesting is that every page is
Speaker 2: an individual website is how they do it internally, which
Speaker 2: is so Yeah, I kind of like email, but very interesting.
Speaker 2: But yeah, find me in here giant bomb dot com.
Speaker 2: You know, we got stuff going on for rest of
Speaker 2: the week. We got a very exciting show right after
Speaker 2: this here you're watching live. I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a fun wrestling week.
Speaker 1: I could see that they're in the other room right
Speaker 1: now getting set up. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, have you
Speaker 1: ever played the Elder Scrolls for Oblivion? Yes? Or no?
Speaker 1: That's the new polk question. What's happening on Giant Bomb
Speaker 1: Blake Club right now? We will have a voicemail dump
Speaker 1: truck tomorrow. I don't know if we even talked about that,
Speaker 1: but we probably are half of one tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're doing meeting later day, I think.
Speaker 1: Still, yeah, that sounds right, and then Rotor Black Club Friday.
Speaker 1: I think we got some stuff planned BCR. We will
Speaker 1: We're definitely gonna do the roundup of what happened with
Speaker 1: the Fantasy Critic last year, but we're also going to
Speaker 1: maybe maybe take a look at the Rolling Stones Top
Speaker 1: fifty games of all time.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we could do that too. We'll figure out
Speaker 2: what we're doing on Friday, because it also may schedule
Speaker 2: next Diract. We'll see what's going on.
Speaker 1: And then Marvel Rivals we might play some of that.
Speaker 1: I think is.
Speaker 2: What's fantastic for two of.
Speaker 1: The four characters are launching. I guess the other two
Speaker 1: are launching. Okay, interesting, Yeah, I mean I think, I mean,
Speaker 1: four characters at once is too much, so I'm not
Speaker 1: surprised they're doing it this way.
Speaker 2: Oh last thing I forgot to mention, because it's I
Speaker 2: haven't really talked about since holiday break. Go read all
Speaker 2: of our top tens. We talked about that on the BombCast,
Speaker 2: my top ten list. I would appreciate people, you know
Speaker 2: that they like what I had to write. I would
Speaker 2: appreciate if everyone go read that because as always I
Speaker 2: put way much work into that I didn't need to,
Speaker 2: and so I'd appreciate people reading it.
Speaker 1: Yep. Please everyone go check out all the guest lists.
Speaker 1: For sure, they're all very good. Yep. Everything. Everyone did
Speaker 1: a lot of great work on there. I guess. Okay,
Speaker 1: it has to been confirmed. I could say it. Alex
Speaker 1: Navarro is waiting for us in Blake club. We should
Speaker 1: go get to that. With that in mind, Sean, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for hanging out with me today and
Speaker 1: talk about video games. Man. You know I always appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Hey, always a pleasure, always a good time. Jeff, get
Speaker 2: the hell I here, Mike, and get to that next
Speaker 2: show now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna do it right now. Thank you everybody
Speaker 1: for watching you the best audience in gaming. Until next time,
Speaker 1: have a good one, take care of yourself and goodbye.