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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 1>KFI AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>Who wants their own personal Jesus, Well, it's just about here.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm talking about an ai Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>You could tell all your thoughts, all your concerns, make

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<v Speaker 2>all your prayers too. I'm not joking, I'm being serious.

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<v Speaker 2>Researchers and religious leaders yesterday released findings from a two

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<v Speaker 2>month experiment through art in a Catholic chapel in Switzerland,

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<v Speaker 2>where an avatar of Jesus on a computer screen I'm

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<v Speaker 2>thinking like Max Headroom, tucked into a confessional, took questions

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<v Speaker 2>by visitors on faith, morality, and modern day problems, and

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<v Speaker 2>then responded based on scripture. The idea, said the chapel's

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<v Speaker 2>theological assistant, was to recognize the importance of artificial intelligence

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<v Speaker 2>and human lives even when it comes to religion, and

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<v Speaker 2>explore the limits of human trust in a machine.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how to feel about this personally.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's something obviously wrong when you're having a

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<v Speaker 2>non human try to interpret the human experience and then

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<v Speaker 2>you try to relate it to faith, when a machine

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<v Speaker 2>obviously has no faith, and as far as we know,

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't have a soul, doesn't have any type of real personhood.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how I feel about that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's one thing to have AI to help

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<v Speaker 2>you get to you know, your party faster via Google Maps.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's another thing if you want to ask chat GPT,

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<v Speaker 2>how to you know better bake a loaf of bread

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<v Speaker 2>or something like that, or you know, what's a better

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<v Speaker 2>stock trading strategy. But when you're asking questions about morality

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<v Speaker 2>faith from something that couldn't possibly have any type of

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<v Speaker 2>moral foundation, couldn't possibly have any sense of humanity, and

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<v Speaker 2>is basically reciting from wrote scripture which has been input

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<v Speaker 2>but can't be internalized. I don't know the value in that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that just sounds like a fortune cookie.

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<v Speaker 4>Basically, there can be value on this, there can be

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<v Speaker 4>any value any spiritual connection, any religious connection to something

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<v Speaker 4>that as AI that that's the opposite of what faith

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<v Speaker 4>and religion and all of that entails. It's something I'm

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<v Speaker 4>sorry I was just say. If you're looking, if you're

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<v Speaker 4>using AI to look up a certain scripture in the Bible,

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<v Speaker 4>that's fine.

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<v Speaker 5>But to.

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<v Speaker 4>Pastor to you to help answer your questions that you're

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<v Speaker 4>asking of it about faith from a computer, from a robot.

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<v Speaker 4>This is in times man, I.

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<v Speaker 2>How can I have faith little f in a machine

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<v Speaker 2>that we created, asking the questions about our own creation?

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<v Speaker 3>How does that work? You know?

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<v Speaker 2>How is it that we've created something that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>then supplant actual people who are reading the Word of

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<v Speaker 2>God and interpreting it and then helping pastor and shepherd

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<v Speaker 2>and guide people. And I think this is a very

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<v Speaker 2>appropriate discussion to have as we move into this particular

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas season, or even if you happen to be Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>and moving into Hanukkah season, we have questions about faith

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<v Speaker 2>and where we belong in this universe. I think maybe

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<v Speaker 2>bastardization is too strong a word, but this isn't in

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<v Speaker 2>any way attractive.

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<v Speaker 3>To me at all.

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<v Speaker 4>That's not too strong, that's not too strong. This seeks

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<v Speaker 4>to undo a millennia of teachings. You know, this is

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<v Speaker 4>when mankind jumps to shark.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we've seen variations of this. I know they

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<v Speaker 2>have online therapists with your bots. I know you can

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<v Speaker 2>get on most websites and they have chatbots to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of maneuver you through whatever you need to do with

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<v Speaker 2>that particular company. And I see this as that on steroids,

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<v Speaker 2>where I can ask religious questions or questions about the

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<v Speaker 2>story of Job, the story of Ruth, or how should

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<v Speaker 2>I look at the story of Damian and Pitheis or

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<v Speaker 2>David and Jonathan and friendship.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's basically.

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<v Speaker 2>Internalizing all the script, sure, and then through algorithms responding

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<v Speaker 2>to any number of questions which have been pre programmed,

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<v Speaker 2>and it can learn in machine learning terms. I just

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if it has any value given what actual

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<v Speaker 2>human interaction is required when it's required now.

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<v Speaker 4>And see this is where I side with Mark when

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<v Speaker 4>I take a standards the robotic overlords, because I look

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<v Speaker 4>at this as generations down the line, say, learning about

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<v Speaker 4>say history or religion or anything like that from an

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<v Speaker 4>AI program that is controlled or created by people. How

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<v Speaker 4>does that, then, you know, actualize or give people a

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<v Speaker 4>real understanding of any of this if it's coming from

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<v Speaker 4>a computer that's been programmed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the computer cannot experience the world in which

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<v Speaker 2>we live in other words, to the teachings which were

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<v Speaker 2>applicable back in nineteen forty five for that world, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not the same world that we live in right now.

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<v Speaker 2>And you can't tell me that the machine, just because

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<v Speaker 2>it has been that information input that it can understand

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<v Speaker 2>our world in the way that we understand and interface.

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<v Speaker 3>With the world.

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<v Speaker 5>A computer can spit information back at you, but it

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<v Speaker 5>has no wisdom.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a better way to put it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it can learn, but it can't be wise. And

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<v Speaker 2>when you're talking about issues of faith, it has to

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<v Speaker 2>do with wisdom, not just content in a book. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think it cheapens the whole idea of faith where

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<v Speaker 2>we can just pre program certain answers because it can

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<v Speaker 2>read all the books of the Bible, that can have

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<v Speaker 2>all the sermonic interpretation of the greatest preachers and pastors

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<v Speaker 2>over the years, and then just spit it back out

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<v Speaker 2>with no real connection with the person who is asking

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<v Speaker 2>the question of why did Job go through all that suffering?

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<v Speaker 2>What was it about his experience that helped people in

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<v Speaker 2>the years afterwards reading his story? Now, I'm quite sure

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<v Speaker 2>that the AI can come up with an answer, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to get into exegesis and all that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff. It can come up with an answer,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's not coming up with an answer which is

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<v Speaker 2>suited for that person in that moment and in their journey,

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<v Speaker 2>and also there should be a relationship. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not like you just go to confession if you happen

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<v Speaker 2>to be a Catholic, or you.

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<v Speaker 3>Go to church and that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you develop a relationship, a one to one relationship

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<v Speaker 2>not only with your Lord and Savior, but also with

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<v Speaker 2>your pastor with preacher, with anyone who's head of the clergy,

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<v Speaker 2>your priest. You can't do that with an AI.

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<v Speaker 3>You just can't.

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<v Speaker 5>If you're looking for meaning in your life, it's not

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<v Speaker 5>going to come from a computer, which at the best

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<v Speaker 5>can behave like an index that you can thumb through.

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<v Speaker 2>And we use that as a lead into this next

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<v Speaker 2>story when we come back on the other side of

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<v Speaker 2>the break, we want to talk about how an ex

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<v Speaker 2>Google CEO warns that the quote unquote perfect AI girlfriends

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<v Speaker 2>could spell trouble because you know, we spend more and

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<v Speaker 2>more time on the computer on our phones looking to connect,

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<v Speaker 2>and people are going to start finding actual AI boyfriends

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<v Speaker 2>and girlfriends in the near future.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, twell, you're right, we're going to hell in a

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<v Speaker 3>hand basket.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on Demand from

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<v Speaker 1>KFI AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 4>Kelly K.

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<v Speaker 2>Six Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. Last segment, we were

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<v Speaker 2>broaching the idea of having an AI Jesus, and that

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<v Speaker 2>presumes then you would have a spiritual relationship with an AI,

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<v Speaker 2>that AI would give you advice or some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>personal enhancement in your life where you would feel feel

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<v Speaker 2>more fulfilled. But it doesn't have to be just spiritual fulfillment.

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<v Speaker 2>Eric Schmidt, Google's former CEO, recently shared his concerns about

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<v Speaker 2>young men creating AI romantic partners, and he said that

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<v Speaker 2>he believes AI dating will actually increase loneliness.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not something that's in the future. It's already here.

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<v Speaker 2>Young men, especially are people who are using these AI

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<v Speaker 2>relationship apps. And there's a companion app called Replica r

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<v Speaker 2>ep Lka, and it says said most of the app

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<v Speaker 2>users are thirty five and older men. But Eric Schmidt

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<v Speaker 2>believes that young men are particularly vulnerable because well, he said, basically,

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<v Speaker 2>they're not as educated as women. On average, we're not

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<v Speaker 2>as smart as women. And that's a true story. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a true story. A twenty twenty four Pew research study

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<v Speaker 2>found US women outpaced men in college completion. Schmid also

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<v Speaker 2>said that in extreme cases, younger men can turn to

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<v Speaker 2>the online world for enjoyment and sustenance, but also because

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<v Speaker 2>of the social media algorithms, they find like minded people

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<v Speaker 2>who ultimately radicalize them.

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<v Speaker 6>Close quote was that, Oh it was the Bruce Willis

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<v Speaker 6>movie Surrogates, and how people were basically using physical avatars

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<v Speaker 6>to interact with the world like the perfect version of themselves.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't actually meet anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>You just had avatars, physical life robot avatars who would

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<v Speaker 2>live in the world and interact with other avatars.

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<v Speaker 3>And I remember thinking like, yeah, I could see that happening.

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<v Speaker 2>We are slowly approaching that point where we don't actually

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<v Speaker 2>interact and interface and connect with each other. We're just

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<v Speaker 2>social media profiles. We're avatars and that's about it. Or

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<v Speaker 2>people will swipe left and swipe right, but not looking

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<v Speaker 2>for real connection. I don't know what that world is like,

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<v Speaker 2>if only because I got married in twenty sixteen, and

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<v Speaker 2>at least from a dating standpoint, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Tender is like, I don't know what that world is like.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what guy would who's twenty four years old,

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<v Speaker 2>how he goes out to meet someone in an app sence.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it's real tricky. I mean it's very very tricky

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<v Speaker 4>because even when you're on these dating apps, so many

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<v Speaker 4>of the profiles appear to be AI created AI during

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<v Speaker 4>the half these apps or half these people that you

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<v Speaker 4>see in these apps, they don't even look real. A

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<v Speaker 4>lot of the interactions you may have seem computer generated.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's always risky, and I think it's risky for women,

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<v Speaker 4>is risky for men, it's risky for everyone, even going

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<v Speaker 4>out on these dates. I have seen recently in different

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<v Speaker 4>reports where there are guys who are thinking that they're

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<v Speaker 4>going to meet some young lady and they end up

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<v Speaker 4>getting to a spot just getting jumped and robbed, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's just a setup. And I'm just like, see, this

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<v Speaker 4>is how it happens. Because they thought they met some

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<v Speaker 4>hot lady who was saying all the right things on

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<v Speaker 4>social media. He's busy giving up all the information. He

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<v Speaker 4>got robbed when he got.

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<v Speaker 3>To the date. And I can see how it's attractive.

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<v Speaker 2>Or you can have these online relationships with six or

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<v Speaker 2>seven different people, and I say people in air quotes,

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<v Speaker 2>because you really never know who you're interacting with, and

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<v Speaker 2>it could be a way to pass time. It can

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<v Speaker 2>be in some way fulfilled, but I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>it's actually actually fulfilling the need of connection or relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>And going back to the story, if you're a younger

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<v Speaker 2>person or in your formative years as an adolescent, it

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<v Speaker 2>could probably be a barrier for you having normal what

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<v Speaker 2>I would call normal relationships with actual people. There's something

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<v Speaker 2>I have noticed as someone who's not a part of

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<v Speaker 2>this gen Z generation. I find a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>gen Z generation don't know how to like look me

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<v Speaker 2>in the eye when you're talking to them. Don't know

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<v Speaker 2>general etiquette or how you greet someone, or the how

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<v Speaker 2>to just talk to someone. And I'm not talking about dating.

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<v Speaker 2>Babes thing, because it's like, yeah, I keep forgetting, like

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<v Speaker 2>each other's presence, in their presence. Yes, I'm like, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a young man a couple of weeks ago that committed

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<v Speaker 2>who get caught up into these relationships that aren't really

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<v Speaker 2>when they can't fulfill them in real life, it's when

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<v Speaker 2>they have these very tragic results. Well, he was explicit.

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<v Speaker 2>He said it actually may increase loneliness. And then also

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<v Speaker 2>being radicalized, where they will develop these views, these disproportionate

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<v Speaker 2>views of what reality is is out of sync and

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<v Speaker 2>out of whack with what reality is and their expectations

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<v Speaker 2>of what should come from life. Well, they have this,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say a family member of mine, I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>self worth issues. But he was judging other people on

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<v Speaker 2>what they were putting up on Instagrams, like well, this

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<v Speaker 2>don't have any of that. And I had to explain

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<v Speaker 2>to him, it's like that's not the real world. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>that person probably is renting that car, that person is

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<v Speaker 2>only showing you that they're going to these restaurants because

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<v Speaker 3>It's probably not their real lifestyle.

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<v Speaker 2>The kids are growing up today with such a really

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<v Speaker 2>skewed idea of what reality and self worth is because

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<v Speaker 2>they're getting it externally as opposed to developing it internally.

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<v Speaker 2>It's being driven by what they see and not by

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<v Speaker 2>what they're actually experiencing. And you're not experiencing it when

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<v Speaker 2>But we know that because we remember life prior to

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<v Speaker 3>How hard is it to actually meet people?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like you, I have not been on any of

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<v Speaker 5>these apps because I've been out of circulation, but I

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<v Speaker 5>never had trouble meeting people when I wasn't out of circulation.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I may be a radio host today, but back

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<v Speaker 2>in the day, I was always a kid who had

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<v Speaker 2>quote unquote the gift of gab. I could talk my

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<v Speaker 2>way into some things, and I could talk my way

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<v Speaker 2>out of some things. But part of that was actually

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<v Speaker 2>using socialization skills, knowing how to talk to someone, knowing

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<v Speaker 2>how to convince someone. Everybody's going to ask that girl

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<v Speaker 2>because I was a boy at the time asked that

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<v Speaker 2>girl for her number, But why is she going to

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<v Speaker 2>pick me? Well, I'm gonna come at her a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit differently. You know, I may not comment on her

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<v Speaker 2>physical shape. I may comment on her smile or ask

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<v Speaker 2>her about what she likes. Tho, that was the whole game.

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<v Speaker 2>It was about being able to impress a young lady

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<v Speaker 2>and have her see me and talk to me. Now

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, I don't know what they do. How does

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<v Speaker 2>anyone stand out other than sending them a photo?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know much like Tony. I've always been an

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<v Speaker 5>awkward nerd, and so I don't think there we go,

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<v Speaker 5>he is away. I don't think you got to be perfect,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, make people laugh. They're not perfect either. It's

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<v Speaker 5>really not that difficult to me people.

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<v Speaker 2>It may not be if you actually did it for

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<v Speaker 2>a portion of your life.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember going to the night club.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, okay, guys, whoever has the most numbers comes

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<v Speaker 2>back with the most numbers tonight. You know, they don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to buy drinks afterward or something. You know, it

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<v Speaker 2>was always a game. It was always a competition. Ah,

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<v Speaker 2>you're dealing in volume.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm wrong, man.

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<v Speaker 4>The numbers game was.

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<v Speaker 3>It.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, oh yeah, you just didn't want to be

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<v Speaker 4>a suck at the end the night with like two

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<v Speaker 4>or three numbers.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, those are impoverished.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course, But that's how we actually met young

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<v Speaker 2>women because you had to demonstrate that you could talk

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<v Speaker 2>to them or that you could dance, because they felt

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<v Speaker 2>if you could talk and you could dance and you

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<v Speaker 2>can probably do some other things.

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<v Speaker 3>Self confidence. I don't know. Look, I'm I'm old school

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<v Speaker 3>like that. You don't say so.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what an AI girlfriend is going to

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<v Speaker 2>do for the next generation, but I can understand why

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<v Speaker 2>they're concerns.

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<v Speaker 3>It just cost you less. That's about it. It's Later

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<v Speaker 3>with mo Kelly if I am six forty, that's not.

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<v Speaker 2>Necessarily true because it's going to be a subscription charge

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<v Speaker 2>every month.

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<v Speaker 3>We're live everywhere the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 1>KFI AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>Last night, I was talking to Marsha Collier and we

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<v Speaker 2>were talking about now that the holiday season is officially here,

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<v Speaker 2>and we were going to be making all sorts of purchases,

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<v Speaker 2>usually online, and having them delivered to our houses invariably

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<v Speaker 2>the porch. Pirates are going to be out there expecting

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<v Speaker 2>our packages as well, and sure enough they've already begun.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me tell you about John Shinn, a Lawndale resident.

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<v Speaker 2>He was tracking his shipment of an expensive laptop. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a big deal, and I have been one to

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<v Speaker 2>buy more than one computer online and have it delivered

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<v Speaker 2>as opposed to going to a store, So I understand

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<v Speaker 2>the concern and the worry. You want to be there

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<v Speaker 2>when it arrives. You don't want it sitting on your

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<v Speaker 2>porch near your door. You don't want that. You want

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<v Speaker 2>to be right there for it. Well, he was tracking

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<v Speaker 2>his shipment of an expensive laptop when he noticed it

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<v Speaker 2>had been delivered, but he wasn't the only one following

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<v Speaker 2>the package. When Chin went to check the front of

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<v Speaker 2>his home near the intersection of Prairie and Manhattan Beach Boulevard,

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<v Speaker 2>package was nowhere to be found. Schen said that he

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<v Speaker 2>saw the UPS driver and followed him down the street

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<v Speaker 2>to stop and ask him about the missing package. The

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<v Speaker 2>driver said, well, some guy showed me his ID quote unquote.

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<v Speaker 2>Chen later found footage of the exchange. The video showed

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<v Speaker 2>a stranger stopping the UPS driver as he stepped out

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<v Speaker 2>of the truck with Shin's package, the man showed the

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<v Speaker 2>driver something off his phone, possibly a fake ID, then

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<v Speaker 2>is handed the delivery.

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<v Speaker 3>That's happening more and more.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, the post office was delivering a package for

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<v Speaker 2>me today and I happened to be in my garage

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<v Speaker 2>and I opened my garage, so the postal carrier knew

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<v Speaker 2>that I actually lived there and was able and unwilling

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<v Speaker 2>to hand the package to me. But by and large,

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<v Speaker 2>I hope they don't do that as a matter of core.

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<v Speaker 2>So someone just runs up, you just hand the package.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>On the other hand, I'm quite sure the mailman, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what I'll call him, the mailman wants to deliver to

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<v Speaker 2>the ups driver wants to deliver it to the front door.

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<v Speaker 2>The guy can still steal it, but I guess he

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but this is another level of shade because we

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<v Speaker 4>think about all of the different ways people are using

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<v Speaker 4>these stolen IDs or any of any of the leaked information,

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<v Speaker 4>and for this individual to be able to shadow track

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<v Speaker 4>an Amazon package and intercept it before its arrival, this

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<v Speaker 4>is a new level of low where these criminals or

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<v Speaker 4>these cyber criminals are utilizing this stolen idea information.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's another form of hacking.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm quite sure if you can hack someone's

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<v Speaker 2>email and track their packages, yeah, you know what they're

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<v Speaker 2>buying when it's going to show up, presumably, And it's

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<v Speaker 2>not that hard to create a fake ID with someone

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<v Speaker 2>else's name, which could pass a flash test where you're

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<v Speaker 2>just flashy it someone you're not trying to get in

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<v Speaker 2>a bar and have an actual bartender or law enforcement

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<v Speaker 2>officer examine it and you can pass the flash test

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<v Speaker 2>and then you get the package. Look, anything of value

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<v Speaker 2>is liable to be stolen. And people know now, especially criminals,

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<v Speaker 2>know that there are expensive packages, valuable items which you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be showing up on people's doorsteps every single

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<v Speaker 2>day through the end of the year, every single day.

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<v Speaker 2>And you have to assume that your neighborhood, your street,

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<v Speaker 2>your house is a target. And Marshia Carrier and I

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<v Speaker 2>were talking about all the ways that you can try

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<v Speaker 2>the best protect yourself by having your package is sent

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<v Speaker 2>to like an Amazon box, or you yourself have to

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<v Speaker 2>put in a code and get out your item. But

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<v Speaker 2>that's not necessarily convenient for everyone. I know, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>convenient for me, you know, especially when I'm working twenty

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<v Speaker 2>two miles away. Now there's usually someone always at my house.

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<v Speaker 2>But still, you know, there's still gaps in that there's

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<v Speaker 2>no way to get around all of it and all

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<v Speaker 2>of us. As much as I like to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to depend on online shopping instead of physically going to

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<v Speaker 2>a store and having to argue with people about whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's okay to back my car into a parking space

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<v Speaker 2>and fighting with other people in the.

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<v Speaker 3>Line, I don't want to do all that. I'd rather

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<v Speaker 3>just go click click click click click click click.

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<v Speaker 2>Click click, and my package is on the way and

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<v Speaker 2>it'll get there in ten days or whatever amount of time.

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<v Speaker 2>But then I also have to worry about okay, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I can see my front porch, which means that I

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<v Speaker 2>get the opportunity to watch someone steal my package from

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<v Speaker 2>my front porch. There's nothing that's full proof, but this

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<v Speaker 2>is where crime is headed, where they're getting more and

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<v Speaker 3>Have you had it happen to you yet, Mark, No.

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<v Speaker 5>And the day that I see somebody run off with

426
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<v Speaker 5>like a book that I get off of eBay is

427
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<v Speaker 5>the day that you have to bail me out for homicide. Yeah.

428
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<v Speaker 3>See, I think that's my line in the sand.

429
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<v Speaker 2>If you're going to come up on my property, yeah,

430
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<v Speaker 2>and steal something off my property, and I have the

431
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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to give chase, even though it's probably ill advised,

432
00:25:31.880 --> 00:25:35.519
<v Speaker 2>to say the least, it's ill advised. I don't know

433
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<v Speaker 2>if I will be able to resist that temptation, because

434
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<v Speaker 2>unless they're getting in a car which is very close by,

435
00:25:42.440 --> 00:25:45.599
<v Speaker 2>I got a chance. I got a chance because usually

436
00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:47.400
<v Speaker 2>they're on foot. They're not going to drive right up

437
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<v Speaker 2>to your house. Why because they don't want to expose

438
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<v Speaker 2>their license plate. And if you've never had anything stolen

439
00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:55.240
<v Speaker 2>from you, you don't know how violating that feels. And

440
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<v Speaker 2>it's easy to mock it, and I want to mock it.

441
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<v Speaker 2>But when you have things stolen, like I had a

442
00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:04.920
<v Speaker 2>storage unit broken into, there's nothing more violating. It makes

443
00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:07.400
<v Speaker 2>you want to curl up into a fetal position.

444
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<v Speaker 3>Well, Tweld will have the last word about storage unit

445
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<v Speaker 3>being damn.

446
00:26:10.519 --> 00:26:16.319
<v Speaker 4>Look to this day, the individual who violated my storage unit,

447
00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:21.920
<v Speaker 4>their parents, their children, any descent to anyone who shares

448
00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:26.200
<v Speaker 4>their same bloodline is cursed. I have put a curse

449
00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:29.559
<v Speaker 4>on them, a hex on them, a pox on them,

450
00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:32.160
<v Speaker 4>and I wish them nothing but hell.

451
00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:35.519
<v Speaker 2>I will pee on their graves with you very quickly.

452
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<v Speaker 2>Twelve with your storage unit. There was never any video

453
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<v Speaker 2>of the.

454
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<v Speaker 4>Now the public storage unit over there on the Lincoln

455
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<v Speaker 4>for some reason other the no cameras could catch anything

456
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<v Speaker 4>inside job.

457
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<v Speaker 3>That's what I said. We have a run a report

458
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<v Speaker 3>coming up next.

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<v Speaker 1>In just a moment, you're listening to Later with Moe

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly on demand from KFI AM six forty.

461
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<v Speaker 7>Nature, Mark talks about pontificates about pop culture, Ron and

462
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<v Speaker 7>Report with Mark Ronner.

463
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<v Speaker 3>If I am six forty is Later with Mo Kelly?

464
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<v Speaker 2>Is that time in the show where Mark Ronner takes

465
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<v Speaker 2>over with the runner report.

466
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<v Speaker 5>We all have stuff we do outside work here at KFI.

467
00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:36.400
<v Speaker 5>Mo has his martial arts classes and he also does

468
00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:39.559
<v Speaker 5>hits on other media. Tawala does the lord's work at

469
00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:41.960
<v Speaker 5>a school. And I know what you're thinking, but no,

470
00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:44.119
<v Speaker 5>I won't do porn. I haven't hit rock bottom yet,

471
00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:46.200
<v Speaker 5>maybe soon, but not yet.

472
00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:47.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm a writer.

473
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<v Speaker 5>I've written a ton of comic books, articles about movies

474
00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:52.559
<v Speaker 5>and TV op eds. I've also written for video games

475
00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:56.160
<v Speaker 5>and this week are really cool ones out that I

476
00:27:56.200 --> 00:28:00.079
<v Speaker 5>wrote the dialogue for. It is called Nobody Wants to Die.

477
00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:03.039
<v Speaker 5>I know it sounds like that awful last James Bond movie,

478
00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:07.880
<v Speaker 5>but it's a future noir mystery, cyberpunk thriller game. It

479
00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:11.240
<v Speaker 5>is beautifully rendered. It gets into some fairly sick and

480
00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:14.000
<v Speaker 5>unsettling territory and I could not be prouder of this thing.

481
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:17.000
<v Speaker 5>Think Blade Runner in terms of visuals. But if you

482
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<v Speaker 5>get to be a detective and you have some wondrous

483
00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:24.519
<v Speaker 5>future tech for examining crime scenes and manipulating time at

484
00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:27.240
<v Speaker 5>the crime scenes, and as you get further and further

485
00:28:27.319 --> 00:28:30.279
<v Speaker 5>into this story, in this dystopian future where the bodies

486
00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:33.720
<v Speaker 5>are piling up, you have a dawning realization of where

487
00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:37.799
<v Speaker 5>you stand amid all the corruption and cruelty and murder.

488
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<v Speaker 5>You know, perfect for kids. Nobody Wants to Die is

489
00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:44.680
<v Speaker 5>made by Critical Hit Games and Newish Company, and it

490
00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:47.519
<v Speaker 5>should be available. However, you play this stuff on Steam,

491
00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:49.359
<v Speaker 5>where it's got a nine out of ten so far,

492
00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:54.599
<v Speaker 5>fingers crossed on consoles, all of it everywhere. Here's here's

493
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<v Speaker 5>some of it. This is an early trailer from about

494
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<v Speaker 5>four months ago that I wrote and we start off

495
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<v Speaker 5>and down an urban canyon of tall buildings and neons,

496
00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:08.160
<v Speaker 5>swarming with flying cars which are still somehow vintage looking.

497
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<v Speaker 8>They say, time heals all wounds.

498
00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:16.799
<v Speaker 2>That's d.

499
00:29:28.519 --> 00:29:30.480
<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you what time does.

500
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<v Speaker 8>Time reveal secrets, Secrets that enslave us, the secrets that

501
00:29:53.799 --> 00:30:15.680
<v Speaker 8>poison us, secrets that rip us apart.

502
00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:12.200
<v Speaker 3>Secrets.

503
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<v Speaker 8>To drag the light.

504
00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:19.960
<v Speaker 5>Are.

505
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<v Speaker 3>They'll drag me ow.

506
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<v Speaker 5>Now that's nobody wants to die. And the game looks

507
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:34.359
<v Speaker 5>absolutely stunning. And I've always loved norm movies. You know

508
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:37.119
<v Speaker 5>what those are. You've seen them, These hard boiled detective

509
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:39.799
<v Speaker 5>movies that started in the forties and fifties that had

510
00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:42.480
<v Speaker 5>more cynical heroes, kind of anti heroes coming out of

511
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:46.440
<v Speaker 5>World War Two with all the disillusionent that entailed. These

512
00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:48.880
<v Speaker 5>weren't guys who came home from the war and shouted

513
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:53.640
<v Speaker 5>USA USA. They were generally sarcastic, self destructive, hit the

514
00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:57.240
<v Speaker 5>bottle pretty hard. The story's often involve a fem fetal

515
00:30:57.599 --> 00:31:01.359
<v Speaker 5>who's bad news but steer still resistible, you know, like

516
00:31:01.799 --> 00:31:05.400
<v Speaker 5>real life, very little, chasing tornadoes around in trucks as well.

517
00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:08.599
<v Speaker 5>You should know, you know, the Maltese falcon with Humphrey Bogart.

518
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:11.039
<v Speaker 5>You've seen that, and we've talked about Monsieur Spade here

519
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:13.839
<v Speaker 5>not long ago, the Clive Owens series that's really good.

520
00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:16.960
<v Speaker 5>Out of the Past with Robert Mitcham. Lots of great

521
00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:21.160
<v Speaker 5>newer ones too, or neo noir which they're called Robert Altmans.

522
00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:23.160
<v Speaker 5>The Long good Bye is one of my favorites. Scott

523
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:25.000
<v Speaker 5>Elliott Gould in it. It's really good and if you

524
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:27.720
<v Speaker 5>haven't seen that one, you should. And nobody wants to die.

525
00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:29.799
<v Speaker 5>You play as a detective in New York in the

526
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:31.880
<v Speaker 5>year twenty three twenty nine who's called back on the

527
00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:34.839
<v Speaker 5>job to investigate him off the book's case of mass

528
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:38.839
<v Speaker 5>murder of the city's elite. This detective has some issues though.

529
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:41.440
<v Speaker 5>For instance, he's not in his first body anymore and

530
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:45.039
<v Speaker 5>he's having trouble settling into his new body. In this future,

531
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<v Speaker 5>you can transfer your mind, your consciousness to a new

532
00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:50.200
<v Speaker 5>body when you wear out the old one. If you

533
00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:53.119
<v Speaker 5>have the money. People who don't have the money, they

534
00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:55.880
<v Speaker 5>have nots. They do what they gotta do, and it

535
00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:58.279
<v Speaker 5>isn't always pretty. And again I'm not talking about porn.

536
00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:01.519
<v Speaker 5>The choices you make throughout this game affect the outcome.

537
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:05.160
<v Speaker 5>It's not a shooter, although there is some shooting, very procedural,

538
00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:08.599
<v Speaker 5>very visual, vibe oriented. Not the same old, same old.

539
00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:11.680
<v Speaker 5>Just to be clear, the game's absolutely not for kids.

540
00:32:11.839 --> 00:32:14.359
<v Speaker 5>Along with all the drinking and some fairly grizzly stuff,

541
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:18.319
<v Speaker 5>there is a very generous amount of swearing, which was

542
00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:21.119
<v Speaker 5>great fun writing. I'll tell you, by the way, there

543
00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:23.680
<v Speaker 5>were many times when we were racking our brains trying

544
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:26.079
<v Speaker 5>to get the right phrasing for a line, and I'd ask,

545
00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:28.759
<v Speaker 5>how about just an m effort here? Oh yeah, that

546
00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:32.480
<v Speaker 5>works perfect, everybody wins. If we have time, i'll play

547
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:34.519
<v Speaker 5>a little bit more from the official launch trailer that's

548
00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:37.720
<v Speaker 5>from this week. I've admitted here before though, that self

549
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:40.480
<v Speaker 5>promotion just makes my skin crawl, which can be a

550
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:42.880
<v Speaker 5>bit of a speed bump if you're working in the

551
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:46.039
<v Speaker 5>radio business. And I want you to know also as

552
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:47.920
<v Speaker 5>a writer, I don't get one dime exter, no matter

553
00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:50.599
<v Speaker 5>how many or how few people buy this game. I

554
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:52.839
<v Speaker 5>have one payday when I finish my work. I'm only

555
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:55.039
<v Speaker 5>telling you about the game right now because I think

556
00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:57.559
<v Speaker 5>it's turned out to be something really special and I

557
00:32:57.559 --> 00:32:59.880
<v Speaker 5>think you're gonna love it. You can see gameplay of

558
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:03.240
<v Speaker 5>Nobody Wants to Die on YouTube, along with reviews and

559
00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:06.519
<v Speaker 5>all sorts of other stuff, And since radio is more

560
00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:09.240
<v Speaker 5>of an ural medium, you kind of need to see

561
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:12.319
<v Speaker 5>this for yourself in a visual medium. I spent a

562
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:14.680
<v Speaker 5>few minutes looking up reviews last night. It's brand new

563
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:18.119
<v Speaker 5>this week, and my favorite was surely someone wants to

564
00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:22.759
<v Speaker 5>Die hard to argue with that. Also, a user called

565
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:26.160
<v Speaker 5>fart Night called the game a straight banger.

566
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<v Speaker 3>That's good, right, mo, Yeah, that's that's positive. You appreciate a.

567
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:33.720
<v Speaker 5>Straight banger or banger perhaps less often in your later years.

568
00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:38.079
<v Speaker 2>Banger is always positive, unless it's preceded by gang in

569
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:40.359
<v Speaker 2>a civic sense, you know, in the criminal sense.

570
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:42.079
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we're a little ahead on time. So let's just

571
00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:43.960
<v Speaker 5>hear a little bit more of the trailer. Why I

572
00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:46.359
<v Speaker 5>didn't have to beep out a swear word in my

573
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:47.079
<v Speaker 5>own place.

574
00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:56.519
<v Speaker 2>Having a goal that's better than an activity, an alternative

575
00:33:56.599 --> 00:33:59.880
<v Speaker 2>to focusing on the symptoms and the memories.

576
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:02.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm one hundred and.

577
00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:08.039
<v Speaker 8>Twenty years old, and I don't have any strength left

578
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:09.559
<v Speaker 8>to keep recalling the past.

579
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:15.840
<v Speaker 3>You're a goddamn departmental legend legend.

580
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:17.920
<v Speaker 5>Uh, more like cautionary tale.

581
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:20.559
<v Speaker 3>I need access, do you think.

582
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:23.599
<v Speaker 5>I don't know why the chief put you on restrictive duty.

583
00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:25.039
<v Speaker 3>No doubt about it.

584
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:27.760
<v Speaker 2>This case smells worse than a two week old corpse

585
00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:31.639
<v Speaker 2>and a storm drain. Can I ask you something personal?

586
00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:34.400
<v Speaker 4>Do you believe in life after death?

587
00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, apparently in the past people used to ask stuff

588
00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:39.599
<v Speaker 2>like that all.

589
00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:43.559
<v Speaker 4>The time because the average lifespan was less than one

590
00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:44.360
<v Speaker 4>hundred years.

591
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:48.679
<v Speaker 7>And now can we believe in anything beyond this?

592
00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:52.920
<v Speaker 4>What if you could choose the bank or death?

593
00:34:54.519 --> 00:34:56.840
<v Speaker 5>Now the bank is the memory bank, and if you're

594
00:34:56.920 --> 00:35:00.480
<v Speaker 5>too four poor to afford a new body, that's where

595
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:03.880
<v Speaker 5>your consciousness goes, and it stays there until you get

596
00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:07.079
<v Speaker 5>some money or something changes. It's an absolutely stunning game.

597
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:09.480
<v Speaker 5>Nobody wants to die. I hope you check it out.

598
00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:11.480
<v Speaker 5>I don't make any extra money telling you about it.

599
00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:13.880
<v Speaker 5>I'm just excited about it. It really turned out to

600
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:17.199
<v Speaker 5>be a special thing. Sounded like Scarlett Johansson was doing

601
00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:22.320
<v Speaker 5>that narration there. I don't know who did the narration.

602
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:25.960
<v Speaker 5>I really wanted to do the voice of the detective

603
00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:30.599
<v Speaker 5>because as we're writing these lines of dialogue, I'm actually

604
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:34.519
<v Speaker 5>performing them over Skype. With these guys at the company

605
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:37.000
<v Speaker 5>in Poland, and I so wanted to do this, but

606
00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:39.320
<v Speaker 5>the guy who did it sounds terrific. How did you

607
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:46.559
<v Speaker 5>fall into this? Oh, nepotism and corruption? Of course, No,

608
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:49.519
<v Speaker 5>it's like a lot of games or comics or things

609
00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:52.360
<v Speaker 5>like that. It's kind of who you know, combined with

610
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:55.400
<v Speaker 5>what you've already done that you can show people. So

611
00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:58.719
<v Speaker 5>I had to display, if you'll pardon me for sounding

612
00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:04.039
<v Speaker 5>imodest about this, somewhat encyclopedic knowledge of noir films because

613
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:05.639
<v Speaker 5>when I was back in grad school, I was going

614
00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:08.679
<v Speaker 5>to do my dissertation on existentialism and film war. So

615
00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:11.559
<v Speaker 5>I've seen a lot of the stuff and it's kind

616
00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:14.480
<v Speaker 5>of the way I write and talk, and you know,

617
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:17.760
<v Speaker 5>it is definitely how you talk. So if you play

618
00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:20.719
<v Speaker 5>this game, or if you just watch the walkthrough on YouTube,

619
00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:23.840
<v Speaker 5>you'll kind of hear my voice, even though it's not

620
00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:25.480
<v Speaker 5>me doing the actual narration.

621
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<v Speaker 2>I'm very intrigued, and congratulations are in order, regardless of

622
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:32.039
<v Speaker 2>whether you get another dime or not.

623
00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:34.480
<v Speaker 5>Thank you very much. It's a ton of fun. The

624
00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:36.519
<v Speaker 5>game is nobody wants to die. So why did you

625
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:40.079
<v Speaker 5>keep it under wraps for so long? Well, I had

626
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:43.280
<v Speaker 5>to sign an MDA. Oh the answer the question, Yeah,

627
00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:46.320
<v Speaker 5>they would have made me homeless if I violated the MDA.

628
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:48.559
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure you understand how those were. Oh yeah.

629
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<v Speaker 5>But it also was kind of a stealth release. When

630
00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:52.760
<v Speaker 5>I was looking up the reviews last night, I saw

631
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:55.440
<v Speaker 5>that people felt that it was just kind of dropped

632
00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:58.400
<v Speaker 5>out of nowhere. There wasn't really any big build up

633
00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:00.280
<v Speaker 5>to this, And I don't know if that's because the

634
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:02.639
<v Speaker 5>company is kind of a newer company or what, but

635
00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:05.800
<v Speaker 5>I feel like it's making a big splash coming right

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<v Speaker 5>out based on what I've seen so far. The reviews

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<v Speaker 5>are terrific, and I hope it keeps going that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, many congratulations to you, and hopefully you'll get to

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<v Speaker 2>voice it next time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for god's sake, what's a guy I have to do?

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<v Speaker 3>Who do I have to sleep with? Well, don't ask

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<v Speaker 3>that question, because someone will give you an answer.

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<v Speaker 8>Oop.

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<v Speaker 3>Oop, Look at the time. It's later with mo Kelly.

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<v Speaker 3>We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. What the hell

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<v Speaker 3>is going on? Well, we're about to tell you KF.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm kost HD two Los Angeles, Orange County, Live everywhere

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<v Speaker 3>on the Art Radio app.